Ali Ataie – Reading and Studying the Qur’an (Part 8) Qur’anic Sciences Series
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Today I wanted to finish by
talking about translation
and,
the Qajas of the Quran,
the miracles of the Quran a little bit,
and then the Tahadi,
the challenge of the Quran.
And then probably be a good amount of
time for q and a.
So translation in Arabic is called Tamjama.
Tamjama.
And translations are inadequate
but they're necessary.
As I said last week, one of my
teachers taught me to say whenever you quote
the Quran in a language other than the
original Arabic, you would say some of the
meanings may suggest.
Because Quran and Arabic,
Quran is in Arabic.
And there is a big difference between
words chosen by Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala.
Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala basically means that ichai.
There's nothing like Allah.
So whatever we're like Allah is not like
that.
Right? Basically it's the ishayb.
He's completely dissimilar to his creation.
So Allah doesn't speak any language, but he
chose a language.
He chose words for this language
to convey pre eternal meanings of the Quran.
So it's very important for us,
to study this language.
Learn different pure languages
for Bunyan.
We should learn Arabic
for Bunyan.
So
to learn some Arabic,
there's an old
Italian
axiom. It's trans it's alliterated in Italian, But
it's also alliterated in English,
so it's still words. The translator
is a traitor.
So translate and traitor sound the same. The
translator is a traitor.
A chapter sounds like this.
Very similar.
So in other words all
Tarjamaah
is tafsir.
Whenever you translate anything, you are interpreting it
because you are choosing the words.
Right?
So
Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala
he shows the Arabic
of the Quran.
So we should learn some Arabic inshallah.
Translations occurred
in the time of the prophet sallallahu alaihi
wa sallam.
We have translations of the Quran, Ibn Nishan
mentions in his Sira, Sira and Abu'iya,
which is the better of the 2
compared to Ibn DzHa, even though Ibn DzHa
was slightly before,
that when the Sahaba, some of the Sahaba
made the drop to Abhasa to Ethiopia.
And,
Ja'far people have been called him, the older
brother Zena'i,
He was the spokesperson
for the Baha'jinid
and he,
recited some Quran in Arabic
and then it was translated into ancient Ethiopic.
Right? So the court of the Najashi, they
heard in Arabic. Ethiopic and Arabic are similar.
They're Semitic languages.
It's maybe the difference between English and Spanish.
So you'd be able to catch a few
words here and there. It's something of the
interpretation or translation,
but it was translated into Ethiopic.
The first translation of the Quran into a
European language
was done,
from Arabic into Latin by Robert of Chester.
His name was Robert of Chester, this was
1143
CE.
This was under the patronage of
a monk
and peer the venerable.
It was the abbot of Clooney,
not George Clooney.
The Benedictine Abbot of Clooney.
And Peter the Venerable and this was during
the time of the Crusades.
So Peter the Venerable, he actually wrote
a couple of polemical treatises against Islam.
One was is called
the summary of the entire heresy
of the Saracens.
Now Robert of Chester, when he translated
the Quran in 11:43,
he didn't call it the Quran.
He called it Lex Mahamud
Suthu Prophetis,
which says,
that Allah of Muhammad, the false prophet, Abu
Dhabi.
That's the title he gave, his translation
of the Quran.
So you see how the translator is a
traitor. He
didn't even call it the Quran. So you
find this with western orientalists,
what's known as a hermeneutic
of suspicion.
Hermeneutic of suspicion. So whenever the prophet sallallahu
alaihi wasalam does something,
in the seerah,
he must have some ulterior motive for doing
it,
you know. So he marries
Aisha, right? It's all he was licentious.
Or, you know, the the Quran at times
sounds like the Bible. Oh, he's a forger.
That's why.
He's a pretender.
So they always ascribe to him the baser
motive.
But when Besar, yes, Saddam does something in
the New Testament, he's fulfilling prophecy.
So, you know, he's pure and innocent.
He's, you know, genuine.
So when Isa alaihis salam
in the New Testament rides a donkey into
Jerusalem,
you know, he's fulfilling prophecy.
Right, according to his orientalist. Of course
Jewish
theologians would say that no Jesus is also
a forger and he's, you know, self fulfilling
these prophecies
and right?
So what it comes down to is the
integrity of the Prophet.
That's where that comes down to. Who do
you want to take your information from?
Quran says, o you
when a fasr, an open sinner
brings you some sort of news
means,
it's reflexive.
Right? It's reflexive meaning
something to the effect of prove it to
yourself.
Don't take a facets word for it. Prove
it to yourself.
Right?
So you might find something modern science is
saying,
something that NASA says, for example.
You say, well, you know,
that doesn't seem to square with what the
Quran is saying. For instance,
the Quran is the the words of the
prophet salallahu alayhi wasalam.
Ultimately, the words of Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala.
So we get precedence in the Prophet because
the integrity of the Prophet Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala.
We'll talk more about this
later inshallah.
But
with the Western Orientals, our orientalists,
they're guilty of double standard,
unbalanced methodology.
That whenever Muslims do,
you know, there's a hermeneutic of suspicion, they're
doing it for some other motive.
But when
Christ did Mary do something,
it's called a hermeneutics of acceptance.
Right?
Now the first translation into English
the first translation of the Quran into English
was done from French,
not directly from Arabic.
So Arabic, French, and English
by a man named Alexander Ross
1649,
he was Scottish
orientalist,
who wrote at the introduction
newly English for the satisfaction
of all that desire to look into Turkish
vanities.
English.
For all that desire.
Actually, it was Scottish. I don't know how
to do a Scottish accent.
The first translation into English from original Arabic.
Original Arabic into English,
1734,
George Sale,
s a l e.
George Sale,
also known as the
Jeffersonian
Quran.
Right? So there's a Quran and letter of
congress
that belong to none other than Thomas Jefferson,
the 3rd president.
Apparently has some of his notes.
Apparently he's learning Arabic.
He was not a Trinitarian,
he's a Unitarian.
Many of the founding fathers
rejected the trinity.
They did not,
agree
with a mixing
of church and state.
So that was sort of the vision of
America
early on was to avoid
what was happening in Europe, especially England at
the time.
That's why they were basically rebels
from an English standpoint.
From British standpoint, they're guilty of treason.
Right?
So they were,
they were they were, you know, settlers that
left
Europe.
So America was designed initially to be sort
of the antithesis
of what was happening in Europe.
So a secular society,
not a secularist society.
There's a difference between the 2, doctor Sherman
Jackson
will point out
the difference between a secularist society
where religion is completely vanished
from any type of public discourse.
It's something you do in your house and
that's where it stops and stays.
The secular society
where
one's faith can inform
their decision and it's based on what people
want to do.
So if you want to present, for example,
the argument
that abortion should be illegal,
because,
it's against
Catholic morality.
You can certainly present that argument like in
Congress.
It probably won't be successful if that's your
reason.
Maybe it could be.
Most people in congress apparently believe in God.
Right? But most likely that won't
carry the day.
You have to give some sort of social
repression to the ills of abortion.
So there is room for
religious discourse.
So that was the vision of the founding
father. So they were deists.
The deist, d e I
s t.
Someone believes in God,
but does not believe that this god necessarily
interacts
with creation.
So a creator God,
you know, a holy transcendent God,
You know, he's he's too he's he's too
high for any type of involvement in human
affairs.
So they take this idea of caliphate to
an extreme level.
You are charged with the responsibility
of creating justice on earth
without any type
of grace from above.
So anyway, representative Keith Ellison
was the only Muslim in congress. He took
oath
by putting his hand on the Jeffersonian Quran,
the actual Quran of Thomas Jefferson.
Translated by George Sale
17/34.
There are major errors in this translation.
It's probably because
he just didn't know Arabic that well. I
mean, that's Chris Van Bant. Right?
There might be something else happening, but
in chapter 22, so that so that's Uhash
verse 39,
This is the first verse revealed,
to the prophet that
gives him permission
to militarily
defend
Muslim
Humba.
Right? If you read that Ayah in Arabic,
all of the verbs are passive voice.
Passive.
So permission is given to those who are
being fought against
because they have been wronged. Everything's passive.
Permission is given, not he gave permission. To
those who are being fought against,
not permission is given to those to go
fight
and to go wrong people because they have
been wronged, but sale doesn't
notice
the passive
verbs here, it makes them active.
So he says something like permission is given,
to those,
to fight against the other, take up arms
against unbelievers
or something like that. So making the verb
very offensive
rather than passive.
So in translation theory,
there's different ways of translating the Quran.
John Dryden,
who was an English poet,
translation theorist,
He says there's there's 3 ways of translating.
He says the first way is called paraphrase.
He called it paraphrase.
Modern translation theorists like Eugene, Diana, and others,
they'll refer to this as dynamic equivalence
or a sense for sense translation.
You know, this is the
gist of what it's saying.
Right? Sense for sense, this is the meaning.
This is what the author means.
Another way of translating is called metaphrase
metaphrase,
which is also called formal equivalence,
and this is more like word for word
translation.
So Yusuf Adi
translation into English is more
paraphrase,
sense for sense.
Where
is more metaphrased
word for word. The original not really
tend to gravitate more towards metaphrased,
towards a more word for word translation but
with a commentary.
So there's pros and cons to both approaches,
You know, the sort of downfall of
a word for word translation
is that you don't really get the intended
meaning. You're just getting exact wording.
What does that actually mean?
Right?
The downfall of paraphrases,
you don't get any of the linguistic
juice.
You just you get the meaning, but you
don't get that linguistic element.
Why this word in relation to this word
or the syntax,
the word order, that's all
minced. Right?
And then you have something about invitation.
Invitation is or adaption.
What would the author have said if you
were alive today?
So you'll have some idiomatic expressions in the
Quran
or in the bible,
you know a camel to the eye of
a needle for example.
It's easier for a camel to go through
the eye of a needle
than for a rich man to enter paradise,
as in Matthew. And in the Quran, the
camel through the eye of a needle.
Mentioned in the Quran, so it's.
So what does that mean?
Candle for the eye of a needle. You
can translate that literally,
and it that's what it says.
The eye of a needle.
That's great. So that's your meta phrase.
When you paraphrase,
you know, sort of get the set the
sense of that.
That,
it's really, really hard,
almost impossible
for a rich man to go to heaven.
That's the paraphrase.
And then an invitation.
So use an analogy
that people
know that you that people use today.
So something like,
it is easier to find a needle in
a haystack
than for a rich man to enter paradise.
You get you get what I'm saying now?
Right? So it's possible
to find a needle in a haystack.
Very very difficult.
Okay.
Any questions on,
translation,
translation theory?
Anything you talked about?
Probably the first language. Yes?
Best translation in English? Yes.
Is it,
Abdul Khaneen? Do you know Abdul Khaneen's translation?
That's an excellent translation.
That's his name, right, Abdul Khaneen. Yeah. It's
a very good translation.
Thomas Cleary is a good translation. I actually
like like Yousef Ali, to be honest with
you,
because he uses classical English.
And it's not very user friendly for people
who don't
know English very well
because it uses all these e's and thou's
and dine.
What does that mean?
But the Quran is Fusha,
it's the height of Arabic.
So I think if you want to translate
something
that is so incredibly
high Arabic,
you have to use high English.
So even quoting the prophet
some of the Duat, people named Dawah,
they quote hadith, they quote the hadith in
colloquial English.
They translate the hadith into colloquial English
for the sake of the Shabbat, the youth.
Every time that they do that I show
them I sort of cringe,
Because that's one of the, they're using bad
grammar.
That's something you would speak. Instead of, you
know, bringing the language down to the youth
regime, try to pick them
up, take them to a higher level because
even if a hadith
is sound in its senate, it's absolutely sound
in its senate, but but there's a grammatical
error in the hadith, it's a darif.
Because the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam used incredibly
eloquent Arabic.
He did make grammatical errors when he spoke.
How much do you think about that sense
of transmission?
I'm not familiar with it.
Language is a dynamic,
entity changes in meaning
every time.
Yeah.
So
over the years,
I would probably have the same sort of
thing. Oh, yeah. So
does that mean people are understanding Quran differently
now? Yes. Very very good question.
Yes.
Any language that's alive right? You have dead
languages, we have alive languages.
The language of any side is dead. It's
to react to one's visa.
There are many dead languages, Ugaritic,
Ethiopic, and well it's still alive. Those Semitic
languages are dead. Arabic is flourishing.
So the nature of a living language is
or a live language
is that it will take on
other words called loan words, incorporate
those words. Not only that, words within the
language
will have new meanings.
So it depends on which Arab country you
go to. You might find a word that
in classical Arabic means one thing, but in
the,
the colloquial dialect,
the Lajjad,
of that
Arabic country means complete something completely different.
Right? So the important thing is when we
study Arabic, we study Fusha Arabic.
We study how these words were,
what what was
intended by these words at the time of
the Prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam.
Right? So we have to study something of
the history of the language.
So
oftentimes, you'll have Arabs read the Quran
and make major errors in translation just because
you know Arabic
does not mean you can translate Quran
any more than
a college student
who's pretty smart guy. Give them a Shakespearean
sonnet and say translate this.
And he'll say, you know what? This is
English but I have no idea what it's
saying. All I know is that it's English.
I'll get a word here and there.
But, you know, classical Arabic,
some would say is a different language
than, you know, Gharija, a colonial Arabic is
a different language.
You get that with
other languages, other pre modern or ancient languages
that are now
spoken
and more,
colonial stuff like Greek for example.
The Greek of the New Testament
is called Koine Greek, common Greek.
Very simple Greek
whereas the Greek of Plato,
oh my god. I have experience with this
I took 2 years of common Greek.
I thought I was pretty good at it.
And then I took class in advanced Greek,
Attic Greek.
We read the
Republic
and I was completely I thought it was
a different language,
different level,
Which is interesting also,
Christians believe the New Testament is the Word
of God,
but
the eloquence
of the New Testament is not on par
with
Plato or Homer.
Right? So Nietzsche, you guys know Nietzsche,
he used to quip, he was atheist,
he used to make a joke.
He said it's so nice of God
to give us such a remedial form of
Greek
to write his holy book.
Yeah. That's that's true though.
That Arabic today is, you know, that I'm
thinking another is at the Torah.
It says the spirit of God hovered over
the waters.
That's in Genesis.
The word there for hovered
at the time of the composition of that
verse
just meant to hover,
but now that same word in modern Hebrew
means a hoverboard.
The spirit of God was a hoverboard.
So someone who's reading that
first Genesis in,
modern,
Israeli, for example,
read that and say there's a there was
a hoverboard at the time.
Is that word the meaning of the change,
same word,
the meaning has changed.
Okay. The next section here, a short section,
yeah, it's also a Quran.
The, miracles of the Quran.
There's a linguistic aspect to this, a linguistic
miracle. We'll talk about that.
Some have said there's a numerical miracle of
the Quran.
Numerical and miracle. We shouldn't get too much
into
numerology.
It's called Jamatria.
Right?
Hirelige Jaffa, I think it's called in Arabic.
Hirelige Jaffa.
This is something that Imam Qasad warns people
against
getting too deep into numbers.
Right?
There is a sort of
metaphysical component to numbers,
You know?
So, you know, there's there's things about
the number 3,
you
know, the number 9,
the number 11, the number 13,
the number 33.
There's some sort of
metaphysical properties if you will to those numbers
that people were numerologists who are practitioners of
gematria,
they know well.
So a lot of the
things that we do
in those numbers
is to protect ourselves against
these sort
of evil counterpart.
So we do things in 11, right, or
33 times after every prayer,
for protection
protective purposes.
But there should be doctor Shabir Ally Toronto,
he mentions that
there are, interesting things in the Quran with
respect to numbers.
The word for man and woman is
is mentioned the same amount of times in
the Quran.
The word day is mentioned 365
times, the El is mentioned 365
times,
which is a little strange because that's the
solar calendar.
The lunar is 354, 355. But, you know,
interesting.
We don't insist on any of these.
Oh, that's, you know,
that's how it is.
The word month was mentioned 12 times, shalom,
mentioned 12 times.
Angel and demon like Malak or Malaika,
Shaykh Bansal Yazzing, they're mentioned the same number
of times, angel and demon.
Land and sea
according to them are mentioned.
The same ratio of land and sea on
earth.
So, like, 73 to
27 or something.
There's something about the number 19.
Figures prominently in the Quran.
This is again, you know, getting into numbers
would be dangerous. There was a Egyptian scientist
named Roshad Khalifa.
I don't know if you've heard of him.
He founded a sort of cult, pseudo Islamic
cult
called the subnetters.
I believe that he's
Rasoolullah,
that's what he claimed to be. He claimed
to be the final messenger of God.
He was
apparently killed in 1990.
Very
mysterious
person
on the island, but,
apparently, he said that the Quran has this
numerical code,
about the number 19.
His appendix he translated the Quran
into English and his
appendices are very strange.
It's like you're reading
the manifesto of the Unabomber or something.
All these equations everywhere.
Equals 19.
Oh, 19. Five pages of equations equals 19.
I don't know why I don't know. I
don't know.
Fudging the numbers or what, but
it's interesting. He used to go on tour
with Ahmed Diddat actually.
He would have a sort of tag team.
And in early editions of
Ahmed Dedat's book,
The Quran is a miracle, he had a
dedication page where he he thanked doctor Roshad
Khalifa.
And then on one of his
on one of the, one of the events,
man Khalifa stands up and says I have
an announcement.
I'm Rasool Allah.
So alright.
So, they stopped going on tour,
Yeah. But also but you know if you
look if you look long enough into something,
you'll you'll find what you're looking for.
So there are a lot of Christians who
have this claim about the Bible,
that there's
Bible codes and things like that.
If you line up the letters of the
Bible,
it'll spell like, purple heart or something.
So somebody actually, the atheist actually did this
with
the the book Moby Dick,
by Belleville.
Lined up at the crossword puzzle. He was
able to find like George Bush,
September he left me out. He's over. He
said he can do this with anyone.
If you look hard enough,
you'd be amazed when you find
you know these crossword puzzles they give at
the restaurants,
the kids. I almost always find my first
name in every single one. There's only 3
letters long, but these are very small.
I was like, I need right here. So
my god. Look, I need you to hold.
You know? So
so Allahabad,
you know.
What was your question?
I thought I thought I saw him.
Yeah. Well, they're looking at the Greek.
Yeah.
So these these are more advanced scholars. I
mean, obviously, it's not a English translation as
well,
and you'll find it either one.
Because if you're looking at 400 page text,
you eventually will find something.
Some Muslims they go into sort of scientific
miracles in the Quran,
like hard sciences, natural sciences.
Sort of in response to new atheism.
So you have books by Maurice Bucaille. Maurice
Bucaille,
which is spelled
bucaile,
the Frenchman.
I think he's French Moroccan. He was a
physician.
He converted it to Islam.
Or did
he did he convert?
I think he convert.
So he wrote a book called The Quran,
the Bible in Modern Science.
Interesting book,
you know, very interesting book.
And you have Harun Yahya
writing,
whoever he is, doctor Jeffrey Lang,
you know.
I think that the danger here is that
again we shouldn't insist
on something
because
science tends to be fickle
and change its mind every so often. So
if we take a definitive stance,
the Quran advocates,
you know, globular
heliocentric
cosmology.
That the earth is a globe that spins
on its axis
23.4 degrees.
It's going a 1,000 miles an hour
even though you can't feel it.
And then it's flying around the sun at
67,000
miles an hour even though you don't feel
it.
And then the sun is flying around the
Milky Way
at
500,000 miles an hour.
Alright?
So well, that's what the Quran is saying.
Big bang cosmology. There's an I in the
Quran. That yeah. Big bang cosmology also called
free mom.
The hockey
cartel,
the entree model, standard model. That if you
extrapolate the universe backwards it comes down to
a point of singularity,
a
primeval atom
which exploded for no apparent reason.
Right?
And then this explosion caused
the cosmos.
So
one of the only times of history where
an explosion created something that was word,
you know, imagine blowing up a refrigerator
and then having the parts
eventually form a working cell phone or something.
Very strange.
But
that's the sort of standard
scientific opinion now.
Alright. So the very message is only been
pointed at verse 21,
chapter 21 verse
30.
Do not be unbelievers.
Don't don't they see the heavens and the
earth, which is a euphemism for the cosmos.
The universe
was a single unit of matter.
A single unit of matter.
That time it's like something stitched up the
parts would explode.
And
then we clothe it asunder.
We did that.
Right?
Some will say this is talking about big
bang cosmology.
According to this cosmology,
the universe is expanding
into infinite,
into the infinite darkness
as it were, And it's actually accelerated
in its speed, it's not slowing down which
is sort of counterintuitive
because the second law of thermodynamics
says that
eventually things will go through entropy and slow
down.
Right? But it's expanding
and increasing.
Science can't explain that.
So science, you know, modern science has one
of these catch all terms when they don't
understand something.
They'll say for example, oh, that's just gravity.
They only say, what's gravity?
Here's an equation
that nobody understands.
It's a 1 guy sitting at the desk,
scribbling up his paper.
Oh, so how is the universe increasing in
its expansion?
How is this how is the speed increasing?
When there's supposed to be entropy.
So something is forcing it out.
What?
Dark
energy.
That's what they call
it. Dark energy.
So what is dark energy? We don't know.
But there's something actively forcing it out.
Right?
Some of the great rabbi pointed this verse,
At at that yet, Surah 51
verse 47.
But it says something to the fact that
some of the meetings may suggest
that,
we created
that heavens,
the agent
with hands,
literally hands.
What does that mean?
We created
the the agent.
The agent.
What does that mean?
What what do your hands do?
You know, somebody like
what's the expression in English?
So he says, I'm all thumbs. What does
that mean?
You heard that before? Can't do anything right?
Yeah. He he he doesn't have skill.
I'm all thumbs. I can't even tie this
shoe.
So we hate it, like, with with skill.
We created the heavens with skill.
And we are expanders.
We are the expanders.
You
know? Means expansion.
Right?
We are
expanding
it, not part energy
or like, you know, Jupiter
is going around
the Sun, it's called the Heliocentric
Model, the Helios Sun is in the center.
But according to their calculations,
he Jupiter is just not big enough even
though it's apparently huge, it's still not big
enough
to sustain it in its orbit.
It would just fly off eventually
or should it should have already flown off.
So what's keeping it in its orbit? There's
something else keeping it there.
So the science
scientific community says
dark matter.
So these are catch all terms.
So
the more popular opinion of the pre model
rule
is called
it was referred to as
the geocentric
model.
Geocentrism
is that the earth
is stationary
and that the heavenly bodies are revolving around
the earth.
Nowadays if you
even suggest something like that
you'll be
crucified
basically.
Not only that,
there's a growing movement nowadays
and this is not just amongst Christians,
this is in the scientific community
that the earth is actually a plane,
it's a flat plane,
it's not globular
and it's stationary.
It's a very popular movement now,
you know,
and there were some who I mean, there
was a there was a Saudi
Arabian scholar who
I think made a critical apparent.
And this definitive on this point, it said
the earth is definitely flat, and I asked
him why is that? Then he said the
earth is yeah. He said the earth is
not moving. He said it was flat, and
he said it's also not moving.
So and he said well how do you
know that? He said well the point to
our model of the earth is round and
it's spinning,
right?
If you're flying
from west to east
and it takes you 4 hours to get
there,
on the way back since the earth is
coming at you
at a 1000 miles an hour.
You should get there in half the time,
in a third of the time.
Right? Not realizing that those who take the
position that the earth is rotating
believe that the atmosphere is rotating with the
earth.
Right? So it's gonna take you the same
amount of time to get that because the
atmosphere is being dragged along
with the
terraforma
or the crust of the earth as well.
But there are some who dispute this and
say that
that, there's no evidence of the Earth's curvature.
Right? It's very popular.
For example, people will
You know how you look out to the
horizon,
go to a beach or something,
and you look out
and you'll see the ocean, it'll rise up
to your eye level,
and then it just stops in their sky.
So scientific community says that
you're actually
your your line of sight has ended because
there's curvature in the Earth.
Right? This is what Aristotle
saw. Aristotle believed in geocentrism.
He believed that the earth was at the
center, the Sun and the Moon go around
the earth.
The earth is round however
according to him,
And he said, well ships go out
and then they vanish from your line of
sight because they're going over the curvature of
the earth.
Now
nowadays there are people who buy these,
you know,
these Nikon P900 camera
which is a very powerful zoom lens and
you'll notice the ship go
and then they'll zoom in and the entire
ship is brought back.
Or you can calculate according to
the scientific community what the
curvature of the Earth has to be per
square mile,
8 inches per mile squared.
So
there was a man who took a picture
of the Chicago skyline
from the other end of Lake Michigan,
60 miles away.
According
to the scientific community,
you shouldn't be able to see any of
the skyline
from 60 miles away across the ocean.
Maybe the top of the Sears Tower, maybe,
because the entire city should be behind
2,200
feet of curvature.
It should have curved away from you long
ago.
He snapped a picture and clear whether the
entire Chicago skyline
is visible.
The ground up.
There's many people that
have different examples of this,
but they cannot detect the curvature of the
earth.
So they have different model that they use.
How about the photograph that you see from
space?
Yeah. So people don't like these photographs.
Every photograph we get is from NASA,
and NASA admits they're all composite images. This
is on the pavement that,
basically they're different photographs of each together.
You know, everything that we see,
is either a composite image or CGI
or a cartoon.
Right?
So
yeah. Certainly in the
and then the other thing is, like, NASA
will release a picture of the Earth every
so often that looks completely different. I think
one of the United States is even more
messed with other one. It's really small. You'll
see like they have this sort of animation
that they say is real.
The earth spinning, but the clouds don't move
over like a 10 hour period.
So, you know, this is just it's animated.
It's an actual
picture.
So there's a lot of distrust of NASA
apparently, amongst this movement
that you haven't really seen
the curvature of your own eyes.
So their argument is that
your senses and experience
suggest that the earth is motionless.
That's what your senses
suggest to you.
And when you go to the beach and
you see
the flat horizon,
right? You can see twice as as far
this way and that way as you can
this
way. Twice as far, but it's always flat
and it's curvature.
And then they say they, you know, independent
researchers have sent up weather balloons,
121,000
feet, 3 times the height, 3 times the
altitude
of the 747,
and the horizon is completely flat. There's no
evidence
of curvature
according to
their according to the evidence of independent researchers
have compiled.
And then some some of the
some of the proponents of this movement,
Most of them are Christian, again not all
of them. They'll say that this is what
the Bible is saying and what the Quran
is saying.
Actually quote verses from the Quran.
The one who made for you the earth
as a carpet.
Or bisa'uqam,
bust, bust means something that is
wide, expansive,
flat, wide.
So again,
insisting on certain position is dangerous.
A
low act.
A low act. I don't know.
It's also interesting because the moon is a
very interesting thing.
So and then you can actually do this
if you want to.
What we're being told is that the light
coming from the moon is reflected sunlight,
right?
That's what it is, right?
Now if you're in direct sunlight
or in the shade,
which one do you think has a high
temperature?
Direct
sunlight.
Right? Yeah. Direct sunlight. You're studying the sun.
Now let's say there's a full moon.
Where do you think the temperature is higher?
In direct moonlight or in the shade?
In the shade, it's the opposite.
So if the
sunlight is bouncing off the moon, that's colder
than the moon shade
is in the same light.
So there's another theory, and this is something
that
goes back
100 and 100 of years. Again, the geocentric
model over history was a dominant meaning.
It's just since the time of Copernicus and
Galileo,
I mean, these guys are, you know, anyway,
Kepler,
Isaac Newton.
So it doesn't seem like the it seems
like the the the moon is admitting its
own light.
And there are times that you ever see
the full moon
during the day,
You can see right through the moon.
The craters of the moon are blue because
the sky behind is blue. There are people
who photograph stars through the moon.
You can see a star through the moon.
This is doctor. If you ask people to
take out their
independent researchers nowadays. They take out their Nikon
p 900. They can zoom in on the
moon and see stars through the moon. So
the moon seems to be sort of semi
translucent.
It's transparent.
It's a light. The Quran calls it.
It's a light, and the sun is a
it's a Siraj
in the Quran.
And nur, like think of a night light
in a lamp.
Nightlight has its own light, but it it
doesn't light up the entire room.
But the lamp turned on, everything's lit.
So it's very strange.
What's happening here?
Why do we believe it's round? Yeah. Like,
now where's the proof that it is round?
Because That's a good question.
I'm just like There are some who say
there's no proof. All they have are these
pictures of their doctor,
you know, which is interesting. But all of
the astronauts who have gone up
up the space station and all that, they
say it's it's wrong.
Oh, yeah. That's what that's what they say.
We haven't seen a picture of it. And
they have these, images of astronauts working on
a space station
with the Earth in the background.
But look at the Earth, there's no satellites
which is supposed to be 20,000
satellites. You don't see a single one. You
don't see any planes anywhere.
And every so often, one of their videos,
you'll see light bubbles come up,
which means they're in a pool
in front of a green screen,
and you can find these videos.
So,
I mean,
how does water convex itself?
So if the earth is round, water convex
itself.
Can I do that? Can I conduct that
experiment?
I can certainly pour water into a container,
and the water will take the shape of
the container, but I'm not talking about that.
I'm talking about pouring water out and then
making it into a convex,
sculpture
without it. Because water always finds a level.
It's the gravity which is keeping That's the
that's the whole engine. It's it's been catch
all its gravity its gravity.
So who calls that don't worry about it,
it's gravity.
So people are in Australia walking around upside
down.
Trillions of tons of water are sticking to
the earth upside down
because of gravity,
but
a bird flying over the ocean.
So gravity is so strong that holds all
this water, but just weak enough for a
bird to fly over the ocean,
or fish to fly to to swim through
that water.
Right?
So
it's very strange. Fickle thing rabbit eaters,
It's very fickle.
Right?
I sit on the Earth and I have
a big magnet in my hand into paper
clips on the Earth.
Certainly the magnetic
force of the Earth is more than this
magnet in my hand. I can fly up
to my hand.
Why doesn't it stick to the earth? It's
a bigger magnet.
So that's sort of the catch up. It's
all gravity. That's for Isaac Newton City.
Sir Isaac Newton. Right? They guided Freemason the
cultists
sitting around there, an apple falls on him.
Oh, there's gravity or an epiphany.
No. It's it's nutrients.
It's relative
density.
You know, so this foam
will drop
because the molecules are denser than the air.
If it's on the helium balloon, it'll rise,
defying gravity.
No. It's just
helium. Helium is is not as dense as
the oxygen.
That's the that's Ocum's razor, that's the easy
answer, not the sort of mysterious
gravity that's
that's convexing
water.
So
initially, this sounds like a totally ridiculous notion.
Right?
But
those who,
make this argument again
are saying that there's scientific backing for it
and that the vast majority of the billions
of human beings on history is that the
Earth is geocentric.
So if you looked at if you looked
at Polaris,
the North Star,
it's always fixed,
right?
And all the other stars are going around
it.
So all of our constellations
have been there for 1000 of years,
same stars,
the perfect circle around us.
So if we're moving in a 1000 miles
an hour, we're also going 67,000
miles an hour, and then that is going
500,000
miles an hour into infinite space.
How is this so perfect?
Shouldn't it be chaos?
It seems like everything is going around us.
That's the that's the point we're making.
Everything.
Sun, moon, all of the stars.
It seems to be a geocentric model.
And if this is true,
then immediately people say,
there's something special about us.
Someone designed this
because modern scientific
opinions is that we're just some backwater
planet awesome solar system and some corner of
the Milky Way galaxy,
and just an accident that exploded. And we're
from monkeys anyway,
so we're not important. So it's not there's
nothing to know God.
You know, so, you know, the whole thing
about gravity again is is you can replicate
that.
You can get a big mass or you
can stick water to the bottom of something.
Otherwise, it's a faith. You believe in gravity.
I believe in God.
So so if you don't believe the science
or what the science is saying about
and then if you don't,
the sun and the moon and the reflected
light.
So that kind of tells us. Right? I
mean, that that's one way to Yeah. But
we shouldn't be definitive
because if we're definitive on things, and I
think it's a great wisdom that Allah subhanahu
wa ta'ala
doesn't give us definitive answers, you know, because
the scientific communities are changing their mind. Right?
So even if we believe the Quran is
correct, even if it's like the Quran is
flat, they don't be flat. And then, you
know, for 2000 years, people are really ruling
Muslims and saying, you guys are barbarians.
You're crazy.
Islam's flat. And then 2000 years later, they
said, oh, yeah. It's flat.
Yeah.
Yeah. The sun and the moon are moving,
All of them are in an orbit.
Also, nothing about the moon is you never
see the dark side of the moon.
You never see the backside of the moon.
So if it's orbiting, why don't we ever
see the backside?
All it does is go like this.
It just rotates like that.
It never turns.
There's no backside. It's a mic. It's translucent.
You can't land on something like that. But
then you don't believe they landed on the
moon.
Yeah. I
mean,
how do you get through the Van Allen
radiation belts?
Even right now, if you talk to modern
scientists, they say what's the biggest challenge with
space travel. So we haven't we can't even
get a low Earth orbit
or in in 200 miles from the Earth,
and then there's massive radiation belts. We have
to figure that out. This is 50 years
after 6 moon
land.
That they they can't go 200 miles off
the earth,
50 years ago, they went
500,000
miles roundtrip
6 times.
You know,
$19,000,000,000
they fleece
from the American public. $19,000,000,000.
Actually, Japanese and Indian
spacecraft
are
going around the moon right now according to
what you hear. Yeah. These are private government
owned organizations.
550 astronauts have entered space.
94%
or something
Freemasons.
The secret society
is a fact. Buzz Aldrin, Neil Armstrong, Michael
Collins, the first man on the moon.
33 Degree
Masons. This is a fact
and a secret society keeps secrets.
You know
Neil deGrasse Tyson,
you heard of this guy?
Also a Mason. He's sort of the go
to guy
of the modern scientific world.
They asked him about this the shape of
the Earth
Because you can see Polaris from the from
the southern hemisphere.
You can see the North Star
from the southern hemisphere.
So if the world is a glow,
you can't see it.
You're on the bottom of the equator. How
do you see Polaris?
So he said,
you know what? The Earth, because it's spinning,
it's like pizza dough. This is what he's
actually saying. This is their guy. This is
NASA's guy.
Because it's spinning, it's like pizza dough. It
eventually flattens out.
Right? And then, oh, it's actually pear shaped.
So the bottom is actually Saturn. So this
is the Earth like that.
So if you're below the equator, you can
see Polaris.
So according to
the opinion of Neil deGrasse Tyson, who's their
scientist, eventually the Earth will be totally flat
eventually.
It's like pizza dough apparently.
This is what it's saying.
Very interesting.
Yeah. So
a lot of
there's definitely a lot of interest in this.
There's a lot of people that are
waves in
the earth of crust. So actually, it does
happen.
Earth behave like a fluid.
Fluid? Yes. When because it's a humid earthquake,
you actually can see the waves.
Yeah. The wave. Yeah. Because the tectonic, the
plates have shifted to create a tsunami.
But unnecessary, you know, the Earth is the
Earth is round.
So that's the main issue is curvature.
So if if you're living on a spherical
Earth, let's say this
is the Earth. Right? This is a helicopter
and you start to rise.
As you go up, the horizon will stay
low.
Right? Because it's going away from you. It's
falling off the horizon.
Right? If you're going straight up, the horizon
does not rise with you.
It stays and you have to keep looking
down at it. So if you're at 38,000
feet, you have to look down at the
horizon.
Right?
But if the earth is a plane,
a flat plane,
and you get inside an airplane that's why
they call it an airplane, by the way,
because it's like a plain.
You sit in an airplane and you're in
the middle row.
You just turn your head like this and
there's a horizon.
It's right there at your eyes, both sides
as if you're down on the earth.
If you get into a
weather balloon and go to a 121,000 feet,
it's right in front of you on the
horizon.
So for many, this is the definitive proof
that it's a flat plane.
This is the proof that they use.
Many experiments are done. We don't we never
heard of some of these people because they're
not Samuel
Roebaugham.
Right?
We know Kepler and Galileo.
We know these other guys. You could have
done an experiment,
the river is 6 miles long.
So something 6 miles long, we see 16
feet of curvature.
So something 6 miles away, it's standing body
of water, it's 6 miles away and it's
16 feet high, you cannot see
it according to the thought of the model.
It would have curved away from you.
But he looked at
it completely through his telescope.
The whole thing was there.
Many experiments like this.
So again, I'm not saying that
Earth is alone, I don't know.
I mean, it's
a we have to be about our business,
right? But the thing is
for a lot of people,
if geocentrism is correct, we are unique and
everything's going around us, and suddenly God becomes
very important.
Who did this?
Who put us on this pedestal? Why did
he do it? How do we thank him
for it?
Oh, we're just monkeys.
Right?
We're monkeys on some backwards.
That's what you said. We found 7 new
planets. They're just like Earth.
Sure they did.
Again, it's,
and the other things that I put on
embryology,
you
know, I love, you know, something that clings
to the uterine wall which is impossible for
someone to have known that from a microscope.
The Quran apparently talks about fingerprints,
the called banan, Allah will resurrect even the
tips of the
fingers, and we just sort of like your
identity card as it were.
The origin of all life is water.
There's other I have that people look at.
Glad we have to stop doing it over
time.
But I'd I'd love to talk more about
this one.
This is what's happening right now in in
the world.
So please
make some go after me.
And follow-up, we can continue with another class
soon.
Maybe predict this or not. We can do
a test suit class or just looking at
test suit or something like that.
From the classical lens.
And tell them that we can read some
from
study format.
It's a good text to have. It's a
good text to study
to study with.