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The conversation delves into the history and context of the Quran, including its use in modern media and writing, as well as its use in Christian apologists and parables. The title is a collection of words used in the Arabic language, and the history and context of the Uthmanic codex, including its historical significance, is discussed. Some leaders claim that the Red wedding Committee used the same language as the Red wedding Committee of the European Union to push their claims, but the differences in the structure of the palimpsest and the Sanorn's text are discussed. The speakers note that some leaders are using the same language as the Red wedding Committee of the European Union to push their claims, and the potential for "nafs" to be infallible is discussed.

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			Hello, everyone, and welcome to blogging theology. Today,
		
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			I'm delighted to talk to professor Aliyatay from
		
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			Zaytuna College.
		
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			Welcome back, sir.
		
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			Thank you, brother Paul. It's,
		
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			an honor and a privilege to
		
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			join you once again on blogging Theology. I
		
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			know I speak for, many when I say
		
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			it's the best channel on YouTube. May Allah
		
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			continue to bless you and your work, and,
		
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			congratulations.
		
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			Another milestone, a 150,
		
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			It's it's, it's great to, and this is
		
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			great because it means more people can see
		
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			your content, as well. So, this is all
		
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			all good news.
		
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			So for those, few who don't know, doctor
		
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			Ali Atay is a scholar of biblical hermeneutics
		
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			specializing in sacred languages, comparative theology, and comparative
		
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			literature.
		
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			At Zaytuna College, Doctor. Attai has taught Arabic,
		
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			creedal theology, comparative theology,
		
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			sciences of the Quran,
		
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			introduction to the
		
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			Quran, and seminal
		
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			ancient texts.
		
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			He received his MA in Biblical Studies from
		
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			Pacific School of Religion and in 2016,
		
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			his PhD in Cultural and Historical Studies in
		
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			Religion
		
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			from the Graduate Theological
		
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			Union.
		
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			He's a native
		
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			Persian speaker and can read and write Arabic,
		
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			Hebrew, and Greek. And he joined the Zetuna
		
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			College faculty in 2012.
		
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			In this blogging theology special,
		
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			professor Ali Atay will do a presentation
		
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			entitled
		
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			Establishing the Preservation
		
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			of the Quranic
		
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			Text.
		
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			And this is going to be a very
		
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			wide ranging discussion
		
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			looking also at the biblical manuscripts and
		
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			common objections from orientalists
		
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			and Christian polemicists
		
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			such as the holes in the narrative
		
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			accusation.
		
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			So without more ado, it's over to you,
		
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			sir.
		
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			Thank you. Once again,
		
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			believe it or not, I actually have a
		
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			slideshow presentation, for today. So, hopefully, this will
		
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			go smoothly. Let me, share the screen here.
		
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			Okay. Perfect.
		
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			Alright.
		
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			So so today,
		
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			we'll be,
		
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			part 1 of a of a 2 part
		
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			presentation on the Quran. My focus today will
		
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			be exclusively on establishing the preservation of the
		
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			Quran text.
		
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			And the next time, Inshallah, I'll look at
		
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			the actual,
		
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			content and message and style of the Quran
		
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			as well as the intertextuality
		
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			of the Quran.
		
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			That is to say how the Quran engages,
		
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			with the text and traditions of Jews and
		
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			Christians,
		
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			the canonical gospels, the apocryphal gospels, the legend
		
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			of Alexander, Talmudic tradition, etcetera. How the Quran
		
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			is inimitable,
		
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			are there historical
		
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			errors in the Quran, are there grammatical mistakes
		
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			in the Quran, are there foreign words in
		
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			the Quran, etcetera. That will be part 2.
		
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			Wow. Inshallah.
		
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			But today, our focus,
		
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			is the Quran's
		
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			preservation.
		
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			So let's let's establish what the text is
		
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			before we examine it.
		
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			And I I do apologize in advance. My
		
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			presentation is a bit long winded.
		
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			I have about 40 slides that I want
		
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			to present,
		
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			but, I I thought it was important to
		
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			be as thorough as possible for the sake
		
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			of the viewers. Absolutely. As you said, there
		
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			are several there are several issues that, I'm
		
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			frequently asked about that I think I need
		
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			to address.
		
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			And so I've tried to incorporate my thoughts
		
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			about those issues in this,
		
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			presentation.
		
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			Now now before I officially start,
		
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			I want to say,
		
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			as something of a prologue,
		
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			that I believe
		
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			that the underlying
		
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			factor
		
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			that has led to many modern Muslims doubting
		
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			the preservation of the Quran is actually their
		
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			own ignorance
		
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			of the traditional
		
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			sciences of the Quran. In fact, their misapprehension
		
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			as to what the Quran even is, the
		
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			very nature, the method, and purpose of the
		
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			Quranic revelation.
		
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			Many Muslims have outright abandoned, the study of
		
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			traditional texts concerning the ulnar Quran,
		
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			and have rather relied on amateur preachers and
		
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			apologists really to teach them about their scripture.
		
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			And in fact, they were miseducated
		
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			by these preachers and apologists
		
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			who in their zeal to repudiate
		
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			the Bible and draw a sharp distinction between
		
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			the Quran and the Bible, they began to
		
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			assert that the text of the Quran was
		
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			uniformic in nature from its very inception.
		
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			That unlike the bible that has numerous textual
		
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			variants, the Quran has no textual variants. And
		
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			of course, this is not exactly true.
		
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			This is an inaccurate sort of reductionist
		
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			that is to say simplistic understanding of the
		
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			Quran that I think has formed our community.
		
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			Yep. So so what is accurate? I mean,
		
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			what do we learn from our traditional
		
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			literature written by our traditional ulama?
		
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			We learned that the Quran has has never
		
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			been a uniformic text, but rather a multiformic
		
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			text.
		
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			And it does have text
		
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			variants,
		
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			but these are not of the same kind
		
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			as those of the bible,
		
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			specifically the new testament. So there is a
		
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			major difference. Okay. So the textual variants of
		
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			the new testament were deliberate changes made to
		
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			the text,
		
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			by scribes
		
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			decades and centuries after the prophet Isa Alaihi
		
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			Salam, after the prophet Jesus
		
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			peace be upon him,
		
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			that were motivated by theological rivalries among early
		
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			Christian groups,
		
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			that definitely made a huge impact
		
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			on the theology of Christianity.
		
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			The textual variants of the Quran are Yeah.
		
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			Can I just sorry? You're
		
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			just beginning, but I just wanna say I
		
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			will mention some
		
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			excellent books for people to follow on if
		
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			they wanted to read about, for example, Bart
		
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			Ehrman's book, The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture. The
		
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			very point you're making, the effect of early
		
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			Christological
		
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			controversies
		
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			on the text of the New Testament. This
		
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			is an academic work. I've read it. It's
		
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			highly regarded
		
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			mainstream scholarship, and it illustrates in much more
		
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			detail,
		
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			the point that professor Ali Atay is making
		
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			here. So sorry to interrupt, but I will
		
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			mention this and other works,
		
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			which, from a western,
		
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			textual critical perspective
		
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			substantiate in a mainstream way the points that
		
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			Aleutai is making. So sorry to interrupt. Exactly.
		
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			Thank you very much. Yeah. That is absolutely
		
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			mainstream, and that book is a brilliant text.
		
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			Anyone who's interested in textual studies, they have
		
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			to they have to get this text. They
		
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			have to go through it.
		
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			The orthodox portion of scripture is absolutely something
		
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			that needs to be done.
		
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			Now the textual variants of the Quran,
		
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			are traceable to the prophet Muhammad himself,
		
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			actually, and are a facet of the very
		
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			revelatory
		
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			nature of the Quran. In other words, the
		
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			Quranic variants are part of the revelation.
		
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			So so that is a big difference, and
		
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			we'll unpack that obviously during this presentation.
		
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			But it is the alim, right, the scholar,
		
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			the traditional scholar, not the amateur preacher who
		
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			can explain these things to us in sophistication
		
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			and, attention, to nuance.
		
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			Now this is where the enemies of Islam
		
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			sort of come into the picture. Right? So
		
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			these revisionists,
		
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			and polemicists,
		
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			who are agnostic, they're atheist,
		
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			they're Christian, they've taken notice,
		
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			of the average Muslim's ignorance of his own
		
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			traditional literature,
		
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			and his claim of textual uniformity.
		
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			And so these critics, what they do is
		
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			they dip into our traditional literature,
		
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			and they pull out these isolated narrations that
		
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			debunk
		
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			the claim of textual uniformity,
		
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			a claim that no real Muslim scholar ever
		
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			made. And then they deceptively present this to
		
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			their audiences as evidence that the Quran is
		
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			not preserved. But what the critics don't tell
		
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			their audiences
		
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			is that the traditional Muslim authorities
		
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			have always believed that the Quran was revealed
		
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			in a multi formic fashion
		
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			and that this has nothing to do with
		
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			the Quran's preservation. All traditional authorities maintained,
		
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			that the Quran was preserved in light of
		
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			its multiformic nature.
		
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			In other words, these critics
		
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			weaponize our own literature against us. Okay.
		
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			They use our own traditional literature to basically
		
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			tear down the straw men that ignorant Muslims
		
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			constantly keep creating
		
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			with their misguided claims of textual uniformity.
		
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			And I'll explain obviously what I mean when
		
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			I say the Quran is multi formic. This
		
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			is extremely important
		
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			to understand. Is it it is the important
		
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			point. I'm I'm extremely pleased and and very
		
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			grateful that you're making you're stressing this point
		
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			at the outset because it is of fundamental
		
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			importance.
		
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			Fundamental importance. Exactly. Exactly.
		
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			But I I wanna begin by actually talking
		
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			about the external
		
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			evidence of the Quran in the 1st century
		
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			of the Hijra
		
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			of the prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam. The
		
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			Hijra, of course, is the migration of the
		
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			prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, and his
		
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			followers from Mecca to Medina in 6/22,
		
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			of the common era.
		
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			So let's go to, this slide here.
		
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			Alright.
		
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			So to to put it as
		
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			a question then, how well is the Quran
		
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			attested in manuscripts, physical manuscripts that are dated
		
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			to the 1st century?
		
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			Now perhaps a comparison of the new testament
		
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			will help us put things into perspective here.
		
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			First of all, how how how does a
		
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			textual scholar date a manuscript?
		
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			Well, according to doctor Haytham Sitti, who has
		
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			been on blogging theology,
		
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			and is probably the the foremost, scholar of
		
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			Quran manuscripts,
		
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			in the world, He's the executive director of
		
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			ICSA.
		
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			Textual scholars basically look at 3 things, 3
		
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			main things. Right? So paleography,
		
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			orthography,
		
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			and and radiocarbon dating. So paleography looks at
		
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			letter shapes, how words are written. Orthography looks
		
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			at spelling conventions, how words are spelled.
		
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			And radiocarbon dating is a is a type
		
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			of scientific analysis,
		
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			that gives age estimates,
		
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			for carbon based materials.
		
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			So these are the three main things. Okay.
		
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			Now now Jesus, peace be upon him, was
		
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			speaking and teaching the gospel
		
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			in the late
		
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			twenties and early thirties of the 1st century
		
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			CE.
		
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			So how much of the 27 book canon
		
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			of the new testament
		
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			is attested in extant manuscript witnesses
		
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			that are dated
		
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			by
		
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			extent simply means
		
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			that that we physically have today, existing manuscript.
		
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			If you have go to a museum and
		
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			say, that's the manuscript there. We can physically
		
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			touch it. The extant is just an academic
		
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			way of saying an actual existing manuscript in
		
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			today's world.
		
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			Yes. Exactly. We have them in our possession.
		
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			Yep. Now keep in mind that traditional Christians
		
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			believe that all of the new testament books
		
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			were written in the 1st century
		
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			and that they were all authored by apostolic
		
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			author
		
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			that is to say eyewitnesses to Jesus' life
		
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			and message. Of course, many Christian apologists who
		
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			are also anti Muslim premises continue to hold
		
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			to this view. The view that all of
		
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			the new testament was written in the 1st
		
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			century by men who interacted with Jesus Christ,
		
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			peace be upon him, in some way.
		
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			So what percentage of extent new testament
		
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			manuscripts are dated to 1st century CE? The
		
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			answer is 0%,
		
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			literally 0.
		
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			The absolute oldest extant manuscript of the new
		
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			testament is is John Ryland's papyrus number 52,
		
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			which is the size of an ace of
		
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			spades,
		
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			and contains a few verses of John 18
		
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			on its recto and verso.
		
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			P 52 is dated between 125
		
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			to 150 of the common era. So, that's
		
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			anywhere from 90 to a 120 years after
		
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			the life of Jesus Christ. I've actually I've
		
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			just I've actually seen it. It's in the
		
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			University of Manchester in the John Rylands Library,
		
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			not far not too far from here. It's
		
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			a credit card sized
		
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			fragment written on both sides in in Greek,
		
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			the language of the gospel itself. And that
		
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			is the earliest,
		
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			bit of the manuscript from the New Testament
		
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			anywhere in the world. And it's stated,
		
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			as early as a 150
		
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			CE. This is after Jesus's alleged birth date,
		
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			that is.
		
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			Yeah. Yeah. That's that's that's the oldest thing.
		
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			That's that's all there Absolutely. Then then then
		
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			maybe p 104, which contains a few verses
		
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			of Matthew 21,
		
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			it's probably dated 150 to 200, then perhaps
		
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			p 90, which is also,
		
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			a a a small section of John 18
		
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			also dated between 15200.
		
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			So let me say it like this, out
		
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			of the nearly 8,000 verses in the new
		
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			testament,
		
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			0 are attested in manuscripts dated to the
		
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			1st century, 0 out of 8,000 verses.
		
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			And about, I don't know, 25 to 50
		
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			verses, let's say it's 50, 50 out of
		
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			8,000 verses are attested in manuscripts
		
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			before the year
		
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			200 of the common era, all of them
		
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			between 125 and 2
		
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			100.
		
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			So let me let me say it again
		
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			so it's clear. 0% of the new testament
		
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			is attested in manuscripts from the 1st century
		
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			CE, and less than 1% is attested in
		
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			manuscripts from the 2nd century. So I'm talking
		
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			about manuscript
		
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			papyri
		
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			that is extent that scholars have, as you
		
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			said, in their possession.
		
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			However, Christian apologists,
		
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			like Daniel Wallace at Dallas Theological Seminary,
		
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			they'll, you know, they'll argue that, you know,
		
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			p 46 and p66
		
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			and p 77, these other papyri, p 98,
		
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			p 103, These could all be 2nd century
		
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			as well, although this is highly disputed.
		
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			I think most, textual critical scholars date these
		
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			papyri between
		
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			203100
		
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			of the common era. But okay, fine. Let's
		
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			say they're 2nd century. They're still not 1st
		
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			century.
		
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			There is nothing
		
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			from the 1st century of Christianity.
		
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			Okay?
		
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			And of course, Wallace,
		
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			had that infamous moment. Right? He he actually
		
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			announced,
		
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			in a live debate with Bart Ehrman in
		
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			2,012
		
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			Very embarrassing. That a first century manuscript of
		
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			Mark, right, had had just been discovered and
		
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			that the dating was confirmed
		
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			by this is what he said. The best
		
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			papriologist
		
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			on the planet,
		
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			a man whose reputation is unimpeachable.
		
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			Those are his exact words. And, of course,
		
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			this turned out to be a fraud.
		
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			There is nothing from the 1st century of
		
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			Christianity.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			Now a a Christian apologist may interject here
		
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			and say,
		
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			well,
		
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			there were early church fathers, you know, the
		
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			so called apostolic fathers,
		
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			at the end of the 1st century who
		
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			referenced books in the Pauline corpus.
		
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			Okay? But here, I think we should make
		
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			a distinction. Right? So as Muslims, we're interested
		
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			in Jesus, peace be upon him. Muslims and
		
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			Christians both believe in Jesus. Muslims and Christians
		
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			believe that Jesus brought the gospel.
		
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			So so even if Paul's letters are referenced
		
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			in documents, outside the canon written
		
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			3 apostolic fathers who arguably wrote in in
		
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			the 1st century of the common era.
		
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			Clement of Rome, Ignatius of Antioch, and Polycarp
		
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			of of Smyrna.
		
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			So let's start with Clement of Rome. He
		
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			died 99 of of the common era. He
		
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			was the author of first Clement, which is
		
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			generally regarded as genuine. Yep. And written at
		
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			the end of the 1st century,
		
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			maybe 96 of the common era. Yeah. First
		
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			Clement is a letter that Clement of Rome,
		
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			also known as pope Clement,
		
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			wrote to Corinth, right, to advise them on
		
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			certain church issues. And Clement quoted Paul,
		
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			several times. He quoted Jesus once,
		
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			in 46 8 of first Clement. He quoted
		
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			Jesus from the synoptic tradition, the saying of
		
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			the millstone.
		
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			But Clement, did not cite it as coming
		
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			from Matthew, Mark, or Luke. Right. But the
		
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			more important question is, do we now have
		
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			a copy
		
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			of first Clement from the 1st century where
		
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			this one pericope from the synoptic tradition is
		
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			attested?
		
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			And the answer is no. It is not
		
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			extent. Okay.
		
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			So moving on. Number 2, Ignatius of Antioch,
		
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			who died 108 of the common era according
		
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			to Eusebius of Caesarea.
		
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			Oh, by the way, just to point out,
		
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			but a poor old poor old Iglesias,
		
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			he was actually eaten by lions in Rome.
		
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			I mean, that was his fate, and he
		
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			was taken across,
		
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			the Mediterranean
		
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			to various towns, and he got various letters
		
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			to various churches on his way to be
		
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			eaten by lions. Yes. He was a a
		
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			martyr. Yeah. I mean, sometimes it's a pretty
		
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			horrible way to go, but his letters, the
		
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			ones we now know of are seem to
		
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			be authentic as I'm sure you gotta tell
		
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			us anyway.
		
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			Yeah. Yeah. So Ignatius, he ran afoul of
		
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			emperor Trajan. Right?
		
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			So he was he was condemned to death
		
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			in Rome. And then while traveling from Antioch
		
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			to Rome, he wrote these 7 letters to
		
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			various Christian congregations. They're called the 7 Ignatian
		
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			epistles.
		
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			And in these letters, he quotes a handful
		
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			of verses from Matthew, Luke, and John.
		
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			There are several problems here, though. Number 1,
		
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			if he wrote these letters while en route
		
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			to his martyrdom in 108,
		
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			then these are not 1st century attestations of
		
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			the gospels. 108 is in the 2nd century.
		
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			Number 2, many historians of the modern period
		
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			highly doubt the reliability of Eusebius who tells
		
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			us the story of Ignatius
		
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			because Eusebius was basically Constantine's spin doctor.
		
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			And so many historians actually date the death
		
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			of Ignatius to the 1 thirties or even
		
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			1 forties.
		
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			And number 3,
		
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			there are other historians and protestant authorities
		
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			who maintain that these letters are total forgeries.
		
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			So they're highly disputed. But let's just say
		
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			for argument's sake okay. And and in this
		
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			presentation, you'll notice I'm
		
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			going to make a lot of argument's sake
		
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			arguments or statements, I should say.
		
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			Let's say for arguments' sake that Ignatius wrote
		
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			these in 99 of the Common Era, the
		
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			first century. Do we now have copies of
		
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			the Ignatian epistles from the 1st century,
		
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			or he quotes a handful of verses from
		
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			the gospels?
		
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			No. They're not extent. Okay.
		
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			And this is also very interesting kind of
		
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			as as a side note.
		
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			According to the, early church tradition,
		
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			Ignatius was a disciple of John the apostle.
		
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			And, of course, John was believed to have
		
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			written the gospel of John. Of course, nobody
		
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			really believes this anymore.
		
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			According to the dubious Eusebius,
		
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			Ignatius was
		
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			the the 3rd bishop of Antioch after Peter
		
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			and Avodius.
		
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			Also, this is really interesting. Early church fathers
		
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			said that the boy that Jesus took in
		
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			his arms in Mark 9
		
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			and said something to the effect of anyone
		
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			who welcomes a a a little child like
		
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			this on my behalf welcomes me, something like
		
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			that. That boy was Ignatius.
		
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			This is this is what many proto orthodox
		
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			church fathers said. Who knew Ignatius was born
		
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			and raised in Capernaum in the Galilee,
		
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			in Palestine.
		
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			So historians who date Ignatius' death to the
		
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			130s or 140s
		
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			compellingly
		
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			contend
		
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			that the early church kind of fudged the
		
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			dates. Right? They sort of pushed everything back
		
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			because they wanted to desperately create
		
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			a linked chain of transmission
		
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			that went from Ignatius
		
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			directly to Christ.
		
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			Okay. In the nomenclature
		
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			of Islam, they wanted to create an Isnad
		
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			Muqtasim Marufur.
		
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			They wanted to create a chain of transmission
		
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			that is totally linked
		
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			and goes back to a prophet,
		
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			but their deception has been, exposed.
		
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			And this this was probably because the Jews
		
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			were debating them about the Christian Jesus,
		
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			whether they were rabbinical Jews or Jewish Christians.
		
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			And in Judea in in Judaism,
		
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			the idea of a masorah,
		
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			right, an is not is very important, actually.
		
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			And so we can imagine, like, the Jews
		
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			were saying to these Pauline Christian fathers, you
		
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			believe that Jesus,
		
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			the Jewish messiah was God,
		
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			and that, he was a human sacrifice under
		
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			whose authority? And the Christians would say, well,
		
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			my teacher so and so learned from Ignatius,
		
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			who learned from John the apostle, who learned
		
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			from,
		
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			Jesus. So clearly a fabricated chain of
		
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			transmission.
		
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			The the 3rd apostolic father is Polycarp of
		
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			Smyrna.
		
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			His his his only surviving work that is
		
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			genuine is his letter to the Philippians where
		
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			he quotes Jesus from Matthew,
		
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			four times, the Luke in Jesus once, and
		
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			the Mark in Jesus once. So that's it.
		
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			Six quotations.
		
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			Interestingly,
		
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			his letter begins with a reference to the
		
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			death of Ignatius.
		
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			So this is clearly a second century document,
		
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			probably 140, 145
		
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			of the common era. I mean, he died
		
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			in 155.
		
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			So we don't have anything extent from Polycarp
		
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			from that period. The early church,
		
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			also said that Polycarp was a
		
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			disciple of John the apostle.
		
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			Now
		
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			Justin Martyr, Clement of Alexandria,
		
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			Tertullian of Carthage,
		
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			Irenaeus of Smyrna, origin of Alexandria, all of
		
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			these celebrated early church fathers who extensively
		
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			quoted the new testament, they were all either
		
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			in the 2nd or third centuries.
		
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			Okay? So even if we had their original
		
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			autograph writings in our hands,
		
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			which we
		
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			But even if we did, they would still
		
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			not be 1st century
		
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			documents. So here's the bottom line here on
		
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			the slide,
		
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			At the bottom of the slide, there are
		
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			0 extent manuscripts. There are 0 extent witnesses
		
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			of the 4 gospels from the 1st century
		
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			either as manuscripts
		
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			or as writings of 1st century Christians?
		
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			Okay. 0.
		
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			And,
		
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			and by the way,
		
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			this is why, by the way, many historians
		
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			actually,
		
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			date Luke, Acts, and John,
		
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			to the 2nd century. I think David Litwak
		
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			dates Luke, Acts, and 2nd century.
		
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			Some scholars think that the writings of Josephus
		
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			may have influenced,
		
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			the gospel of Luke.
		
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			With respect to,
		
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			acts specifically, you have, like, Richard Purvo, Amy
		
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			Jill Levine,
		
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			Steve Mason, Burton Mack, Dennis Macdonald, Paula Fredriksen,
		
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			all date acts to the 2nd century. And
		
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			so but Bob Oerman himself is inclined to
		
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			accept a later date as well. So, actually,
		
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			the dating is not getting earlier than earlier.
		
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			It's getting later and later in,
		
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			in some in some, of these subjects. Lukacs,
		
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			as you say. And that's a very different
		
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			trajectory perhaps from the the Kranick, story, which
		
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			is we're gonna juxtapose and compare and contrast.
		
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			Exactly. Very different. Exactly the opposite. Yeah. And,
		
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			juxtapose and compare and contrast it. Exactly. Very
		
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			different. Exactly the opposite. Yeah.
		
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			In in his preamble, Luke himself says, right,
		
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			as we know that there were many
		
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			poloi gospels, many gospels,
		
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			that were written before he decided to write
		
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			one. This makes a lot more sense if
		
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			he's writing in the 2nd century.
		
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			The ACT seminar,
		
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			concluded after 10 years of research that the
		
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			book of ACTS is 2nd century.
		
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			ACTS is of course a sort of whitewashed,
		
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			that is to say sort of sanitized,
		
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			cleaned up,
		
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			idealized
		
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			story of the early church
		
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			that tries to minimize or downplay
		
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			the massive conflict between, we can say, camp
		
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			Paul and camp James slash Peter that we
		
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			glean from the earlier Pauline epistles.
		
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			Most scholars date the gospel of John to
		
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			90
		
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			or 100 of the common era, some earlier,
		
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			some later, even as late as 140.
		
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			So dating the original composition of Luke, Ax,
		
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			and John
		
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			to the end of the 1st century, which
		
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			I am willing to do, is still being
		
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			generous to the Christian tradition.
		
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			Okay. Now now here a Christian apologist might
		
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			say something like, well, just because a scholar
		
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			or 2
		
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			attributes a late date
		
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			to 1 or 2 of the gospels doesn't
		
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			mean anything. John Wansbrough
		
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			dated the original composition of the Quran
		
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			to the 8th century.
		
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			Does that mean he's right? Right? So so
		
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			here's the difference. This is a false analogy.
		
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			This is a smoke screen. It's a desperate
		
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			sort of deflection.
		
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			John Wansborough and his ilk have been definitively
		
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			falsified,
		
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			and I'll show you why in a minute.
		
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			The contentions of Wansbrough and and Cronay,
		
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			are sitting really in the dustbins of history.
		
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			However, historians who date some of the gospels
		
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			to the to the 2nd century have good
		
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			reasons for doing so.
		
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			The biggest reason is that there are 0
		
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			extant manuscripts
		
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			of any gospel dated to the 1st century,
		
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			and no Christian writer is undisputedly quoting these
		
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			gospels in the 1st century. When Clement of
		
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			Rome quoted Jesus' statement about the millstone,
		
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			he doesn't cite Matthew, Mark, or Luke. Perhaps
		
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			he quoted this oral tradition,
		
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			Perhaps he was paraphrasing
		
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			Mark or Matthew. It's not clear at all
		
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			that he has knowledge of Luke, Acts, or
		
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			John.
		
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			So let me say it again, and then
		
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			we'll move on.
		
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			There are 0 extant manuscript. There are 0
		
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			extant witnesses of the 4 gospels
		
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			from the 1st century either as manuscripts
		
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			or as writings of 1st century Christians. And
		
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			on that point, if I could just, make
		
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			another plug,
		
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			all these books,
		
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			this one is Whose Word is It Anyway?
		
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			The story behind the New Testament,
		
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			Who Changed the New Testament and Why by
		
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			Bart Ehrman. And it talks about these manuscript
		
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			traditions, the a, the dating of them, and
		
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			also how they were,
		
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			changed as well. The copyists of the early
		
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			Christian writings,
		
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			and originals that matter. The fact that we
		
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			don't have originals and why that matters
		
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			and theologically motivated alteration of the text. So
		
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			this book is, well worth is is not
		
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			really written for an academic audience, but more
		
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			for an educated public. So I recommend that
		
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			to follow on what Doctor. Ali Atay has
		
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			just said.
		
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			Yes. Thank you. Yeah. It's an excellent excellent
		
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			text, a good a good starter book to
		
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			get into these issues.
		
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			Now, let's look at the Quran's attestation
		
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			in its 1st century. Okay? So, I'm not
		
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			talking about the biography of the prophet, Right?
		
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			I'm not talking about the Sira. I'm
		
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			talking about the Quran.
		
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			Okay? So so like Jesus, the prophet Muhammad
		
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			was also active in the twenties early thirties
		
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			of his century and also earlier.
		
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			So the first Islamic century corresponds roughly
		
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			to the year 6/22 to 7/22 of the
		
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			common era, but I will actually limit things
		
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			to only the 7th century of the common
		
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			era. So 6 99 CE
		
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			is sort of the latest date.
		
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			There are there are over 2 dozen
		
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			confirmed 1st century Hijri,
		
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			that is 7th century CE manuscripts
		
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			of the Quran extent right now,
		
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			and many others out there waiting to be
		
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			identified. And doctor Sickly says this number will
		
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			definitely increase
		
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			Yeah. As more manuscripts
		
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			wait to be analyzed in their paleography, orthography,
		
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			and radiocarbon dating. So at Mangana 1572
		
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			a,
		
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			also known as, you know, the the Birmingham
		
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			manuscript,
		
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			this manuscript was a
		
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			was initially misdated as a 2nd century Hijri
		
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			manuscript,
		
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			primarily because the script was wrongly identified as
		
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			Kufic.
		
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			It is in fact Hejazic.
		
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			In 2011, doctor Abolfadelli had the manuscript radiocarbon
		
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			dated,
		
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			and the results were stunning.
		
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			It was dated no later than 645 of
		
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			the common era with
		
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			95.4%
		
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			accuracy.
		
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			That is 13 years after the death of
		
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			the prophet, peace be upon him. That is
		
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			right around the time Uthman became the 3rd
		
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			caliph.
		
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			Furthermore, manuscript 328c
		
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			was identified as being from the same codex
		
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			as the Birmingham manuscript.
		
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			So, this comes out to about 8 percent
		
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			of the Quran dated to within 13 years
		
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			of the prophet at
		
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			the absolute latest. Mhmm. I mean, based on
		
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			this dating, one could make the case
		
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			that Mengana 1572
		
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			a and manuscript 328 c was originally a
		
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			companion codex,
		
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			the mushaf of an unknown companion,
		
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			of the prophet.
		
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			But is it just this 8%?
		
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			Right? How much of the entire Quran is
		
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			attested in manuscript witnesses from the 1st century
		
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			history? The answer is the entirety
		
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			of the Uthmanic text.
		
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			Okay? The the website Islamic awareness has listed
		
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			all Qur'anic manuscripts
		
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			that are dated within the first, Islamic century.
		
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			And according to the researchers who run the
		
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			site, these manuscripts constitute up to 96%
		
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			of the Quran. Now doctor Sittli believes that
		
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			that data is outdated actually. Yeah. And it's
		
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			closer to a 100%. We have 100%
		
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			of the Quran in extant manuscript witnesses
		
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			from the 1st Islamic century.
		
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			Okay. Okay. Of course, the main subject of
		
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			transmission is I mean, this is not your
		
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			subject now, maybe later, but the main mode
		
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			of transmission of the Quran is not through
		
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			manuscript form but through mutawata, multiple multiple
		
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			transmission orally,
		
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			and in such a fashion that it's impossible
		
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			for it to have been forged at all
		
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			because so many people,
		
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			memorize it and they're all agreement on the
		
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			same Quran. You're talking about the the textual
		
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			manifestation of that. So unlike the Bible, which
		
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			is really just a physical man manuscript tradition,
		
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			the Quran is primarily
		
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			oral in its mode of transmission, I would
		
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			say. Exactly. Primarily oral. Very, very important idea.
		
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			And, yeah, we're gonna get there inshallah. Right.
		
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			But just to reiterate the point again, there's
		
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			we have 100% of the Quran in exit
		
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			manuscript witnesses. And so this is the opinion
		
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			of of doctor Haytham Sivkani, doctor Manayin Van
		
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			Putten,
		
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			doctor Sean Anthony.
		
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			These scholars obviously hold opinions that I disagree
		
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			with, and I'll talk about that. But when
		
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			it comes to the attestation of the Quran,
		
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			we are all in agreement. The entirety
		
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			of the text is attested in the 1st
		
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			century Hijri. So this is without question. Okay.
		
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			According to Doctor. Siffley, the process of manuscript
		
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			dating has become much more accurate in recent
		
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			years. So some manuscripts,
		
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			as you said earlier, have been reconsidered,
		
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			and dated earlier than before.
		
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			Doctor Siddky mentions that a manuscript called
		
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			So Ri Medina 1A in Turkey is now
		
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			believed to be a first century manuscript
		
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			written in Hejazic and Kufic and is more
		
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			or less the entire Quran.
		
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			Other, 1st century manuscripts include the Tak Kapi
		
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			manuscript, which is late 1st century, possibly early
		
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			2nd century of the Hijra, it's 99% of
		
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			the Quran.
		
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			The Chubagan
		
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			manuscript is 1st century. It's dated between 649
		
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			and and 675
		
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			of the common era. It's about 26% of
		
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			the Quran. There's something called the codex Pericino
		
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			Petropolitanist,
		
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			which is, 46% of the Quran. You have
		
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			codex BL, British Library,
		
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			OR 2 165,
		
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			57%
		
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			of the Quran.
		
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			Codex mesh had 90%, codex 331,
		
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			29%,
		
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			codex 330 g, 21%, codices, Marcell 17, 18,
		
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			19, etcetera, etcetera, and many more in the
		
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			1st century, including the sunapalemsest,
		
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			okay, which is called San'a 1 or c
		
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			one,
		
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			which is, about 41% of the Quran, but
		
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			a different textual tradition,
		
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			okay, than the other manuscripts. And we'll talk
		
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			about that, but it is by and large
		
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			identical
		
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			to the Uthmani textual tradition.
		
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			And we'll talk about why it's slightly different.
		
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			This is a great topic
		
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			that only supports
		
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			the Muslim narrative.
		
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			Okay. So here's the bottom line. The entire
		
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			Quran
		
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			without
		
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			dispute is attested in multiple manuscript witnesses
		
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			dated within the 7th century, before 700 of
		
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			the common era.
		
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			So,
		
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			I would say it's, you know, it's it's
		
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			high time for these radical
		
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			historical revisionists and highly bitter Christian polemicists
		
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			to
		
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			simply come to terms with this. I mean,
		
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			this doesn't mean
		
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			the contents of the Quran are true. Right?
		
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			We'll talk about the actual content and teachings
		
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			and style of the Quran in a future
		
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			podcast, Inshallah. So that is a different question.
		
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			For today's podcast, my goal is simply to
		
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			convey to the audience,
		
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			that what we regard nowadays as the Quran,
		
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			was first uttered by the historical
		
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			Mohammed of Arabia, peace be upon him. And
		
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			of course, this is the general historical consensus.
		
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			He is the source of the Quran, historically
		
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			speaking.
		
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			Whether it's a revelation or not is a
		
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			question for next time. Whether it's miraculous or
		
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			or inimitable,
		
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			that's that's next time,
		
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			inshallah.
		
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			So moving on here,
		
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			let's let's talk about,
		
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			the Ashraf. Okay.
		
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			So this is also an extremely important topic.
		
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			Okay? Now doctor Yasser Qadhi, he made some
		
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			controversial statements,
		
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			not too long ago,
		
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			about the Quran with respect to the topic
		
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			of,
		
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			the akhruf and the qira'at and the relationship.
		
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			And and I would translate akhruf as recitational
		
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			variations.
		
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			Okay. Ahroof is recitational variations and Qira'at as,
		
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			canonical reading traditions.
		
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			And I'll elaborate,
		
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			on these, shortly,
		
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			Inshallah. Now I I agree with Doctor. Yasser
		
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			that this can be a difficult topic. Okay.
		
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			But I absolutely disagree with the notion that
		
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			our narrative is somehow
		
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			efficient or ill equipped when it comes to
		
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			answering the inquiries of modern secular academics.
		
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			There are no holes in our narrative.
		
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			There is nothing about the aharuf
		
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			or qira'at of the Quran
		
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			that some western scholar at Yale or Harvard
		
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			can point
		
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			out to a, traditional Alem that will throw
		
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			that Alem for a loop,
		
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			and confound him and give him some sort
		
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			of existential crisis. We have unparalleled
		
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			robust scholarship in these disciplines that goes back
		
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			centuries
		
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			across countless volumes, and it's all transparent.
		
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			Okay. Okay. So it's well established in our
		
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			tradition,
		
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			that the Quran was revealed to the prophet,
		
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			sallallahu alaihi sallam,
		
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			upon 7 letters, literally,
		
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			sometimes translated as as 7,
		
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			modes.
		
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			Again, I prefer 7 types of recitational
		
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			variations.
		
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			So from our perspective, these ahrof are revelation.
		
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			They are by design.
		
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			They're they're not by accident.
		
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			The essential purpose of these Ahroof,
		
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			these variations is 2 fold. Okay? The first
		
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			is theological,
		
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			that the Ahroof enrich our understanding
		
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			of the Kalam of God, the speech of
		
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			God, the Quran. But by making the Quran
		
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			a multiformic text,
		
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			Allah
		
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			opened up different meanings for us. We are
		
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			enriched intellectually and spiritually by the Ahruf.
		
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			The Ahruf give us a deeper engagement with
		
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			the Kalamullah, and I'll give you examples, Insha'Allah.
		
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			The second purpose is, is practical.
		
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			The akhruf are means of taisir.
		
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			They make the Quran's recitation
		
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			and memorization
		
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			easier for us. They give us options.
		
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			There are multiple correct readings. There is recitational
		
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			latitude
		
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			and this is out of God's mercy. Again,
		
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			this is by design,
		
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			not by accident.
		
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			The the presence of the 7 Ashraf is
		
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			is.
		
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			This is something that is well known and
		
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			established in the religion.
		
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			It cannot be denied.
		
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			It's not some sort of secret.
		
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			It's mentioned in numerous hadith across multiple volumes,
		
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			Buhari and Muslim and Tirmidhi and Nesay, Muslim
		
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			Ahmed,
		
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			Muwata Malik, Musanaf ibn Abi Sheva, etcetera. Over
		
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			20 companions
		
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			mentioned this on our hadith corpus.
		
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			Many would say that it's Muwata'lafdi,
		
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			in other words, mass transmitted
		
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			in its in its very,
		
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			wording.
		
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			And the most eminent secular,
		
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			textual critics and historians of today
		
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			maintain
		
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			that the tradition of the 7 Ahroof most
		
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			likely goes directly back to the prophet himself,
		
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			because of the popularity and antiquity
		
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			of this tradition. In other words, the tradition
		
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			of
		
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			the the 7 akhruf was not invented
		
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			by later Muslim scholars
		
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			as a way of sort of explaining why
		
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			there is recitational variance in the Quran.
		
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			Historically, the source of the tradition of the
		
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			Ashraf was the prophet,
		
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			that he used it as a way of
		
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			explaining
		
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			why there was recitational variance
		
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			in the Quran. So so that is very
		
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			important.
		
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			And just a couple of hadith here. The
		
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			prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam said according to
		
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			Ibra Haqqas, it's reported by Imam al Bukhari,
		
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			akhraani jibil alayhi salam alharf falamazanastazeeduhuhatinta'a'a'ati
		
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			akhruf,
		
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			that Gabriel read the Quran to me in
		
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			1 Haruf, Haruf is the singular of Ahruuf.
		
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			And,
		
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			I continued to ask him for increase until
		
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			it reached 7 Ahruuf.
		
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			Imam Ahmad reports,
		
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			this is the famous hadith between a dispute
		
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			between Omar and Hisham.
		
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			So, Omar and Hisham ibn Hakim
		
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			2 companions,
		
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			they each read the same verse from Suratul
		
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			Furqan differently.
		
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			Okay, so they went to the prophet sallallahu
		
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			alaihi wasallam. In fact, Umar dragged Hisham to
		
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			the prophet. He took him by his collar.
		
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			So so the Muslims from the very beginning,
		
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			they were very intent on getting the Quran
		
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			exactly right
		
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			and investigating,
		
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			readings that were questionable.
		
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			And so the prophet asked Umar to recite
		
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			and Umar recited, and then the prophet said,
		
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			hakadhaunzilat,
		
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			thus it was revealed.
		
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			And then the prophet asked Hisham to recite.
		
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			So Hisham recited and then the prophet said
		
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			hakadhaunzilat,
		
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			like that it was revealed, or thus it
		
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			was revealed. But then he concluded by clarifying
		
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			in the hadith al Quran, unzilaaalasabati
		
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			akhuffaquraummatayasara.
		
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			That the
		
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			Quran indeed was revealed
		
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			in 7 Ahroof. So, read what is easy
		
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			for you.
		
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			And just a third report, Imam Muslim reports
		
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			that Ubay ibn al Qaab said that he
		
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			entered the mosque,
		
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			and he heard the recitation of 2
		
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			different from each other as well as different
		
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			from his own. So a type of doubt,
		
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			he said,
		
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			entered
		
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			into his heart. And Doctor. Yasser, he he
		
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			mentioned this hadith to make a point that
		
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			even a great companion like Ubayy ibn Nukab
		
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			was initially puzzled
		
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			by this,
		
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			multi formic aspect of the Quran. It's very
		
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			unique
		
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			to the Quran.
		
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			And then the prophet explained the akhruf and
		
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			their purpose to him and the doubt left
		
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			him. And this hadith supports our narrative
		
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			that there were several companion reading traditions
		
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			before the standardization of the text by the
		
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			Uthmani codex committee, and we're gonna talk about
		
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			that. But this is what the committee had
		
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			to work with.
		
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			And there are other reports as well. But
		
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			but here's the main point I want to
		
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			to emphasize again.
		
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			It is most probable historically
		
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			historically, that the prophet himself is the source
		
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			of these recitational
		
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			variations in the Quran, that he recited the
		
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			Quran in various ways, and that he claimed
		
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			that the reason for this was the 7
		
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			achruf. Now a Christian, an atheist,
		
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			you know, a secular historian will say that
		
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			he doesn't believe that the prophet,
		
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			is receiving,
		
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			receiving these words from the from god. That's
		
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			fine. Whether the prophet is receiving revelation or
		
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			not, it makes the most sense historically
		
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			to attribute at least a portion of these,
		
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			textual variations,
		
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			to the prophet himself.
		
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			Now
		
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			a historian might claim,
		
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			that other recitational,
		
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			variations that Muslims regard as authentic,
		
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			sprang up
		
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			after the prophet as well.
		
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			I mean, I I don't agree with that,
		
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			and I'll show you why.
		
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			But I think it must be acknowledged by
		
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			historians
		
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			that the recitation of the Quran as a
		
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			multiformic
		
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			phenomenon has a prophetic
		
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			provenance,
		
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			a prophetic origin
		
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			that at the very least, the starting point
		
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			of these variations
		
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			is not in the post prophetic period.
		
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			I mean, I think the most an unbeliever
		
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			or a a a skeptical historian,
		
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			could say is something like, okay, fine. The
		
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			prophet invented the concept of the akhruf because
		
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			he couldn't remember
		
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			everything he had previously said. I mean, of
		
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			course, this is not a historical argument, but
		
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			rather highly subjective, wishful thinking.
		
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			Now anti Muslim polemicists,
		
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			they love to give, Muslim laypeople, the sort
		
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			of general Muslim masses,
		
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			the impression
		
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			that the tradition of the ulama were not
		
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			forthright about these things
		
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			7 akhruf, that the ulama were sort of
		
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			keeping these things a secret because they were
		
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			afraid or embarrassed,
		
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			or something that this would somehow compromise the
		
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			preservation of the Quran,
		
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			or that the ulama lied to them and
		
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			said that the Quran
		
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			was a uniformic text. This is totally false.
		
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			All of the seminal kutu of ulamaul Quran,
		
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			all of the seminal texts of the sciences
		
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			of the Quran written by the traditional ulama
		
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			of Ahlus Suna wal Jama'ah
		
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			have a section or a chapter on akhruf
		
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			and and qira'at.
		
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			Okay? This is not some secret teaching that
		
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			Muslim scholars have been covering up,
		
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			only to be uncovered by these honest and
		
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			brave orientalists.
		
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			No. The 7 akhruf have nothing to do
		
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			with the preservation of the Quran. None of
		
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			the ulama who wrote about the akhruf said
		
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			that the Quran was not preserved.
		
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			Traditional scholars are proud of the fact that
		
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			the Quran was revealed. They
		
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			praise God that the Quran was revealed.
		
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			This is an amazing
		
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			and beautiful and elegant and unique aspect of
		
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			the Quran. I will get into some examples.
		
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			But here here's a quote from the late
		
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			M. M. Al Adami,
		
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			Rahimullah Ta'ala, from his fantastic book, and I
		
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			recommend this book, The History of the Qur'anic
		
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			Text. He says, although contemporary scholars outside of
		
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			the Islamic text context
		
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			have offered a range
		
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			of imaginative Yes, there it is. Imaginative interpretations
		
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			to get to the quote, real Quran. Those
		
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			unfamiliar with the Islamic intellectual tradition should remember
		
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			that every last quote, variant
		
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			or alternate reading used as evidence that the
		
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			classical Islamic account is inaccurate
		
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			comes out from the Islamic
		
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			intellectual
		
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			tradition itself.
		
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			Yeah. Okay. And if I can just, just
		
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			to show, people, the copy of this book
		
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			is actually a second edition,
		
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			that's, recently come out. And just to give
		
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			it its full title because it's quite significant,
		
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			the history of the chronic text from revelation
		
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			to compilation,
		
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			a comparative study with the Old and New
		
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			Testaments.
		
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			So this is really as germane to your
		
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			point. This is the second edition.
		
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			I I do recommend it, obviously, as you
		
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			do.
		
00:41:16 --> 00:41:18
			Yes. Yeah. It's an excellent text. Excellent text.
		
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			And he also, has several articles that you
		
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			can find on on this topic.
		
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			Okay. Let's go to the next one here.
		
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			So
		
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			what exactly are the? Okay. This is a
		
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			this is a very important question. There is
		
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			a difference of opinion as to exactly,
		
00:41:39 --> 00:41:42
			what they are. Okay? But they are there.
		
00:41:42 --> 00:41:43
			I mean, there's no doubt about this, and
		
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			some opinions are stronger than others. Imam Suyuti
		
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			lays out these opinions in his master piece
		
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			called,
		
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			Al Itkam.
		
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			And
		
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			variations of these opinions. So one opinion is
		
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			that they are 7 dialects of Arabic.
		
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			Right? So Abu Urbeid Qasem ibn Salam,
		
00:42:03 --> 00:42:05
			he said that the 7 Afrof are 7
		
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			dialects of Arabic. This is not a strong
		
00:42:07 --> 00:42:08
			opinion, however.
		
00:42:08 --> 00:42:09
			The second opinion is
		
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			that the Ashraf are 7 potential variations
		
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			to any one word in the Quran. So,
		
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			any one word could have a maximum of
		
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			7
		
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			different forms.
		
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			I believe this was Imam Tabari's opinion.
		
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			The 3rd opinion, the akhruf are 7 categories
		
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			of recitational variance in the Quran. So this
		
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			is the opinion of Abu
		
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			father Arazi,
		
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			even Qutayba, Imam Al Jazari, the akhruf are
		
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			7 categories of recitational variance.
		
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			Although different scholars have some slight differences in
		
00:42:40 --> 00:42:41
			their final categorizations,
		
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			this is perhaps the strongest opinion. The 7
		
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			ahroof are 7 categories of recitational variants in
		
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			the Quran that were all recited by the
		
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			prophet or approved by the prophet.
		
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			So,
		
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			let's look at a a few examples here
		
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			then.
		
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			So there is nominal variation. So this is
		
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			one haraf. Okay? This is one,
		
00:43:03 --> 00:43:04
			type of variation
		
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			called nominal variation. And so the classic example,
		
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			right, is in al Fatiha,
		
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			Malik yomideen and Malik yomideen, right? That Allah
		
00:43:14 --> 00:43:16
			subhanahu wa ta'ala is both owner and king
		
00:43:16 --> 00:43:17
			of the day of judgment. So what's the
		
00:43:17 --> 00:43:19
			difference? Well, you see a king,
		
00:43:19 --> 00:43:22
			may rule and set laws over a kingdom,
		
00:43:22 --> 00:43:24
			but he may not necessarily own everything.
		
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			And then the owner may own something, but
		
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			may not necessarily
		
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			rule over anything. So
		
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			Allah is both owner and king. He rules
		
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			and owns everything.
		
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			The prophet recited it both ways. We know
		
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			this. We've known this for 1400 years, But
		
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			the skeptic will say, well, how do you
		
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			know the prophet recited it both ways?
		
00:43:44 --> 00:43:46
			This just seems like Muslims are trying to
		
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			cover up a discrepancy
		
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			in their book. So this
		
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			can be answered using common sense. We don't
		
00:43:52 --> 00:43:53
			need to rattle off, you know, SNE, the
		
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			change of transmission for this.
		
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			The prophet recited it both ways is as
		
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			factual as saying Thomas Jefferson was the 3rd
		
00:44:00 --> 00:44:01
			president,
		
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			of the United States, or Caesar Augustus was
		
00:44:04 --> 00:44:06
			the 1st Roman emperor. I mean, people can
		
00:44:06 --> 00:44:08
			question these things if they want, and and
		
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			there are people who always do.
		
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			But let's let's ask a basic question.
		
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			How many times did the companions of the
		
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			prophet hear the prophet recite al Fatiha?
		
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			Right.
		
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			Let's think about this.
		
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			The 5 daily prayers
		
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			were mandated in the 8th year of the
		
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			Meccan period.
		
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			Al Fatiha must be recited in every prayer
		
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			cycle. Everybody knows this. So the prophet led
		
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			the Sahaba in prayer for 15 years. Okay.
		
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			So 15 times 354 days, the lunar year,
		
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			comes out to 5,310
		
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			days.
		
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			3 of the daily prayers are audible in
		
00:44:43 --> 00:44:46
			their first two cycles, Fajr Mahlra B'nisha.
		
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			Okay? So they would have heard the Fatiha
		
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			6 times a day
		
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			from the prophet. So 5,310
		
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			days times 6 recitations a day equals nearly
		
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			32,000
		
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			recitations
		
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			of Al Fatiha.
		
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			The Sahaba heard the prophet recite Al Fatiha
		
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			32,000
		
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			times
		
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			over the course of 15 years. And this
		
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			is not counting the times the prophet recited
		
00:45:09 --> 00:45:09
			Al Fatiha
		
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			in Friday prayer, in e prayers, or outside
		
00:45:13 --> 00:45:15
			of prayer in conversations, lectures, and sermons. So,
		
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			did the companions of the prophet really get
		
00:45:17 --> 00:45:19
			Al Fatiha wrong?
		
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			Was was there really a difference of opinion
		
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			as to whether the prophets had Malik or
		
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			Malik? Did they really transfer this uncertainty to
		
00:45:26 --> 00:45:27
			their to their students?
		
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			This is ridiculous.
		
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			He obviously
		
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			recited it both ways. The Quran was and
		
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			continues to be a mass transmitted living tradition.
		
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			It was constantly heard, recited, and memorized
		
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			every day
		
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			since its inception
		
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			by dozens,
		
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			100, 1,000, 1,000,000, now billions of people. But
		
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			the madness doesn't end here.
		
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			Some orientalists and modern Christian polemicists
		
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			even go further into the Twilight zone.
		
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			They claim that Abdullah ibn Mas'ud, one of
		
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			the companions of the prophet,
		
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			did not even believe that Al Fatiha was
		
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			part of the Quran.
		
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			And and this is ridiculous beyond comprehension.
		
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			Harvard's own doctor Shadi Nasr makes this claim.
		
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			I'll come back to this issue,
		
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			inshallah.
		
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			We'll talk about that. Okay. So I mentioned
		
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			a nominal variation as one haraf. There's also
		
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			inflectional variation.
		
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			Theological and a practical purpose.
		
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			So with respect to practice, okay, Allah Subhanahu
		
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			Wa Ta'ala says, wam sahubirusikum
		
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			marajulikum,
		
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			sorry, wam
		
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			sahubirusikum
		
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			arjulikum.
		
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			So, anoint or
		
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			wipe your heads and wash your feet. This
		
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			is for Wudu, right? For
		
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			illustrations
		
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			or
		
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			ablutions before prayer.
		
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			He also says,
		
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			Wipe your heads and wipe your feet. Okay.
		
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			So, this Haraf is called inflectional variation. You
		
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			see, generally,
		
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			we wash our feet, but there are circumstances
		
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			where we can wipe our feet.
		
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			When do we do that? Well, we look
		
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			to the sunnah, the normative practice of the
		
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			prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. Allah Subhanahu
		
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			Wa Ta'ala, he could have revealed another verse
		
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			that said wipe your feet, but he didn't
		
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			do that. He inspired the prophet to recite
		
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			the same verse but with a slight adjustment.
		
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			He inspired the prophet with another form of
		
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			the verse. Okay? And this other form gives
		
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			us an additional meaning. This is a very
		
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			elegant aspect, a beautiful aspect
		
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			of the Quran.
		
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			With respect to belief,
		
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			chapter 19 verse 34 of the Quran says,
		
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			that such was Jesus,
		
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			the son of Mary.
		
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			Okay? It is it is the word of
		
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			truth about which they vainly dispute.
		
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			So here the word Qaul
		
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			is read in the accusative
		
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			Qaulalhaq,
		
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			meaning the aforementioned
		
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			statement about Jesus
		
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			is the true account.
		
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			The Christological teaching found in
		
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			the preceding verses presents the true Jesus, that
		
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			Jesus
		
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			is Nabiullah, a prophet of God.
		
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			He's Abdullah,
		
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			a servant of God, not the son of
		
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			God. That Jesus it says is Mubarak, He's
		
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			blessed, He's not Madron, He's not Accursed as
		
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			Paul says in Galatians.
		
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			He's not a deceiver and
		
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			blasphemer
		
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			as the Talmud says. Now, this same verse,
		
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			1934,
		
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			is also read
		
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			Here, the word Kol is read in the
		
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			nominative,
		
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			Qaululhaq.
		
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			So now, the verse means, such was Jesus,
		
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			the son of Mary,
		
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			he is the word of truth about which
		
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			they are vainly disputing. Jesus is the word
		
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			of Al
		
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			Haqq, the word of Allah, which is an
		
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			honorific title. It's Taqqrini,
		
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			which means honorific as Imam Al Razi explains,
		
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			if someone is known for his generosity, we
		
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			can say that he is generosity itself,
		
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			Right? It's figurative. So Jesus was totally truthful
		
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			in his speech. Why? Because all of his
		
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			speech was wacky. It was revelation. He only
		
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			spoke the words of god. Therefore, he's called
		
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			the word of God as a way of
		
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			honoring and praising him. Why does the Quran
		
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			praise him in this way and emphasize his
		
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			truthfulness?
		
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			Probably because the new testament ascribes to Jesus
		
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			false prophecies.
		
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			That is to say falsifiable
		
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			predictions. We talked about this in our last
		
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			podcast we looked at the son of man,
		
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			the new testament ascribes to him falsifiable predictions
		
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			and blasphemy
		
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			while the while the tongue load ascribes to
		
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			him deception and and sorcery.
		
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			So in this honorific way, Jesus is the
		
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			word of god in the Quran, not in
		
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			the neoplatonic or trinitarian sense where he is
		
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			the pre eternal logos who emanated from the
		
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			very being
		
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			of an ontologically
		
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			or hypothetically superior deity.
		
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			The Quran says,
		
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			So this is negating Allah and Ma'alulia.
		
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			In other words, God did not cause or
		
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			beget
		
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			a person or son from his own being
		
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			in pre eternality,
		
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			nor was God the effect of any logically
		
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			prior cause. And I think essentially the Quran
		
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			here is repudiating
		
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			the Nicene creed.
		
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			So we see how the Ahroof enrich
		
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			the meanings of the Quran. Okay. This is
		
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			an aspect
		
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			of the utter uniqueness of the Quran.
		
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			And then, of course, the first I think
		
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			this is a beautiful point. Is is it
		
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			intellectually beautiful, and it enriches, one's
		
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			a more kind of one dimensional,
		
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			understanding which,
		
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			some people have. So this actually, elevates, as
		
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			you say, is a more elegant understanding of
		
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			the revelation, and it is a cause for
		
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			wonder, I suppose, a cause for
		
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			appreciation and wonder rather than,
		
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			seeing it as a problem. It's something we
		
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			we need to raise our expectations of of
		
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			the the word.
		
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			We'll see it in that morning the way
		
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			that we have perhaps before.
		
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			Yeah. It is it is something you know,
		
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			the Quran is sui generis, and we'll talk
		
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			about Yeah. The style of the Quran. We'll
		
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			talk about the, you know, the, sort of
		
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			the the ajaz, what's known as the ajaz
		
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			of the Quran,
		
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			the incapacitating
		
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			nature of the Quran discourse. This is just
		
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			another aspect of its utter uniqueness.
		
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			If something is a sui generis, if something
		
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			is one of a kind, obviously, there's going
		
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			to be things that are going to be
		
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			strange for people to to understand. But this
		
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			is part of that uniqueness that the Quran
		
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			revealed in 7 akhruf.
		
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			Okay? And
		
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			here's a here's another,
		
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			a third type of akhruf is called dialectical
		
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			variation.
		
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			So let's go here too. Yeah. So this
		
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			is in in, Al Ikhlas
		
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			in Sura 112
		
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			which gives our theology in brief.
		
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			So Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says,
		
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			Okay.
		
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			So why does it do this? Well, you
		
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			see the Arab was the first standard bearer
		
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			of the religion.
		
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			So god naturally facilitated things for him and
		
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			revealed certain words and phrases,
		
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			in different Arab dialects. The
		
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			the
		
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			the Arab is going to take this message
		
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			to the world. Right? This is the wisdom
		
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			behind, this harf. The Quran says,
		
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			Thus, we have revealed to you an Arabic
		
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			Quran, an Arabic recital, in order for you
		
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			to admonish
		
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			the mother of the cities, meaning Mecca,
		
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			and those around it.
		
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			The 4th harf is, is called synonymic variation,
		
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			synonymic variation. So, in 49 6th the Quran,
		
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			Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says, You ayu hil
		
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			ladheenaamanu.
		
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			Inja'akum fasikun binaba infatabeyanu.
		
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			Oh you who believe,
		
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			if an immoral person brings you any
		
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			news,
		
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			investigate to, investigate the truth.
		
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			The same verse is read.
		
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			Oh, you who believe, if an immoral person
		
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			brings you any news, ascertain the truth. So
		
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			this is called synonymic variation. So
		
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			investigate the
		
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			manner, investigate the matter, ascertain the truth. Both
		
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			are true. Make tabbi, make tabbi. Either one
		
00:53:16 --> 00:53:18
			can be bread and prayer because they both
		
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			conform to the Uthmani Rasam, the continental
		
00:53:21 --> 00:53:23
			skeleton, the shorthand text
		
00:53:23 --> 00:53:26
			of the Uthmani codices, and both are authorized
		
00:53:26 --> 00:53:27
			through senate, through transmission.
		
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			So you see the original Uthmani codices, and
		
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			and we'll get into the narrative here of
		
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			the Uthmani codices,
		
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			did not have dots or vowel notations. Okay.
		
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			No dots, no vowels,
		
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			no.
		
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			Right?
		
00:53:41 --> 00:53:42
			No you know, we see.
		
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			So
		
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			are 2 authorized renditions
		
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			of the skeletal of the continental
		
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			skeleton,
		
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			of the Uthmanitechtual
		
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			tradition,
		
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			and the remaining are verbal, particular, and syntactical
		
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			variations. But I think the examples,
		
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			given are, sufficient.
		
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			Mhmm. Now
		
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			now Muslim scholars have described at length,
		
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			in the books of Ulum al Quran
		
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			that there are several readings
		
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			in pre Uthmanic companion codices
		
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			that differed in their Rasam,
		
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			in their textual traditions
		
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			from the Uthmani Rasam. Okay. So, let's talk
		
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			about the history of the Uthmanic textual tradition,
		
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			and make sense of these companion codices.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			So what happened between the revelation of the
		
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			Quran
		
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			and the standardization
		
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			of the Uthmani textual tradition?
		
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			So the prophet recited the Quran in prayers
		
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			and in lectures
		
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			for 23 years,
		
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			upon the 7 Ahref,
		
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			he recited the Quran as a multiformic text.
		
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			Various companions
		
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			went home and recorded what they heard from
		
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			him, in their personal codices.
		
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			Okay. So these included Abdullah ibn Mas'ud,
		
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			Ubay ibn Nukab,
		
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			Abdullah ibn Abbas,
		
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			the author of C1, the author of the
		
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			senna palimpsest,
		
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			whom we can call Companion X,
		
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			and others. So these are the
		
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			companion codices.
		
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			So we have these various text
		
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			types or textual traditions. This is a term
		
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			used by doctor Haytham Siddiqui.
		
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			The textual tradition of Ibn Mas'ud, the textual
		
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			tradition of Ibn Kaab, the textual tradition of
		
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			Ibn Abbas,
		
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			the textual tradition of of companion x, the
		
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			the author of 1.
		
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			So according to Muslim sources,
		
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			during the prophet's time, there was widespread
		
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			memorization of the Quran,
		
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			scribal recordings of the Quran,
		
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			and an annual review of the Quran every
		
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			Ramadan with the archangel Gabriel.
		
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			This review is called Al Mu'arada.
		
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			If historians are hesitant to accept the latter,
		
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			that's fine. But certainly, it is a fact
		
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			that in the prophet's time, the recitation of
		
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			the Quran was widespread,
		
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			and it was being written down. Even Shati
		
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			Nasr concedes to this that the prophet had
		
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			scribes, kuttabalwahi.
		
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			Now the vast, vast majority of the texts
		
00:56:09 --> 00:56:10
			of these
		
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			companion codices were in total agreement.
		
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			However, according to our literary tradition, there were
		
00:56:16 --> 00:56:18
			some minor differences between
		
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			them. And our traditional scholars wrote at length
		
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			about these differences. Okay? They did not see
		
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			this
		
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			as a problem of preservation
		
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			at all.
		
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			Our
		
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			classical tradition can easily account for these differences.
		
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			We can say that they cause they can
		
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			say that they differed because of of four
		
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			things. Okay? So various orthographies,
		
00:56:41 --> 00:56:43
			in other words, the companions
		
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			spelled words in different ways. They used different
		
00:56:46 --> 00:56:47
			spelling conventions. Right?
		
00:56:48 --> 00:56:49
			Like, you know, Paul, you're in the UK.
		
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			You would spell colored
		
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			differently than me. You'd spell it with a
		
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			u. I don't use a u. There's many
		
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			examples like this. It's still English. This does
		
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			not affect the meaning whatsoever.
		
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			Number 2, variance
		
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			due to the revealed akhruv
		
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			where the rasem was different, and I'll give
		
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			you possible
		
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			examples later.
		
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			Number 3, scribal errors, you know, just kind
		
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			of misremembering
		
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			the exact syntax or the exact wording. I'll
		
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			give you possible examples of that. And then
		
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			number 4, differences due to exegetical
		
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			glosses or notes made by companions
		
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			in their personal codices.
		
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			And I'll give you possible examples,
		
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			of that as well.
		
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			But let's continue the narrative here.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			So so
		
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			various companions, they go out into the Muslim
		
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			world, the newly conquered lands. This was before
		
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			the othmanic standardization,
		
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			so prior to 650 of the common era.
		
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			And they take their textual traditions with them.
		
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			So, Ibn Mas'ud goes to Iraq, Ubay ibn
		
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			Nukab goes to Syria,
		
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			and companion X goes to Yemen.
		
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			Okay? So multitudes of people now are becoming
		
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			Muslim in these lands.
		
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			And at some point, the Muslims in these
		
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			lands outside of Medina begin to become aware
		
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			of or come into contact with other textual
		
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			traditions.
		
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			Okay. Textual traditions that they
		
00:58:06 --> 00:58:07
			did not know about,
		
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			and these traditions are slightly different
		
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			than what they were taught by their teachers.
		
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			So, this caused major unrest in these provinces.
		
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			Now, the caliph Uthman
		
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			is informed of this unrest. So, he forms
		
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			his codex committee in Medina
		
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			around 650 of the common era, possibly a
		
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			few years earlier.
		
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			So, he then attempted to recall
		
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			all of these various manuscripts floating around the
		
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			provinces
		
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			because he is going to standardize the text
		
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			based upon the dominant readings of the Quran
		
00:58:40 --> 00:58:41
			in Medina at that time.
		
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			He's going to standardize the text based upon
		
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			the dominant readings of the Quran in Medina
		
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			at that time. In other words, the most
		
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			prevalent readings of the companions.
		
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			Okay? He's also going to write the Rasam,
		
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			the continental skeleton, the shorthand text of the
		
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			Quran,
		
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			in the orthography, the spelling conventions
		
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			of the Qurayshi dialect of Arabic because this
		
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			was the prophet's tribe and the majority of
		
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			the Quran was revealed in this dialect.
		
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			So these actions
		
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			more or less
		
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			stabilize the text once and for all.
		
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			Now, Haitham Sichdi and Van Putten and Ben
		
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			Am Sadithi and Marzens Podavas, they all suggest
		
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			that
		
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			the Uthmani textual tradition
		
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			was likely a critical addition itself.
		
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			And I think this is consistent with our
		
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			narrative.
		
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			In other words, the Uthmani textual tradition was
		
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			drawn out
		
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			from the various
		
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			companion textual traditions that were present in Medina.
		
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			So the companion Zaydib Nufabit,
		
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			right, he calls for these manuscripts,
		
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			and they were checked against each other, then
		
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			checked against the the memories of the hafav,
		
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			the memorizers and masters of the Quran who
		
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			had served on the codex committee. And only
		
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			those readings that were the most
		
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			widespread and popular
		
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			were recorded in the various of money codices
		
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			that would be sent out into the regional
		
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			provinces, the Amsar.
		
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			Okay?
		
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			According to Siftri, Van Putten and Sean Anthony
		
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			and others,
		
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			all extant Qur'anic manuscripts today
		
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			descend from a single text type, the Uthmani
		
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			text type,
		
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			the Uthmani textual tradition. That is their textual
		
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			stemma or textual family.
		
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			All extant manuscripts,
		
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			except for 1, the lower text of C1.
		
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			Okay. The
		
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			sun up palimpsest.
		
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			But all but all of these scholars maintain
		
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			that c one and the Uthmani text type
		
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			share a quote common
		
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			and we'll say more about it later. Okay?
		
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			But I think that with the discovery of
		
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			a likely companion codex,
		
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			we can now say with a strong degree
		
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			of confidence
		
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			that the verse order in the companion codices
		
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			was very fixed. In other words, the structure
		
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			of the Surah was stable, not necessarily the
		
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			Surah order,
		
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			although the Surah order is generally longest to
		
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			shortest.
		
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			Okay?
		
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			In C1,
		
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			2 verses are transposed
		
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			and one verse was clearly accidentally skipped. I
		
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			mean, these
		
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			are scribal errors, but I'll come back to
		
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			c one. Okay. So let's look at the
		
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			diagram on the slide here.
		
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			So the letter p at the top of
		
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			the page,
		
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			stands for prophetic archetype.
		
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			Okay? And represents all of the Quranic recitations
		
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			of the prophet
		
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			Al Asab Adi Ahroof.
		
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			Okay?
		
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			There are various arrows
		
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			shooting down from p. At the end of
		
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			1 arrow, we see I m. That's.
		
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			At the end of another arrow, we see
		
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			c one. That's the sunnah palimpsest.
		
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			And then c 2, c 3, etcetera, etcetera.
		
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			Okay. These represent the other companion codices.
		
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			These are the various companion textual traditions
		
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			that contain minor differences
		
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			due to various spelling conventions, variations of the
		
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			aroof,
		
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			possible scribal errors, and possible exegetical notes. So
		
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			this is what Zaid had to work with.
		
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			Now under each companion textual tradition, there are
		
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			arrows shooting down
		
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			but converging upon a single point.
		
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			Okay? We can call this point the
		
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			Uthmani textual tradition.
		
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			So the Uthmani textual tradition
		
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			is a critical addition that incorporated the strongest
		
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			readings
		
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			from the existing companion textual traditions,
		
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			which were themselves eyewitness recordings
		
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			of the prophetic archetype. So in essence,
		
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			the Uthmani textual
		
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			tradition was a compilation
		
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			of the most widely attested readings of the
		
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			prophetic archetype.
		
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			The best of the best
		
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			gathered from the companion textual traditions in Medina
		
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			and checked against the memories of the Quran
		
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			memorizers and masters. I mean, the committee could
		
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			not have done a better job.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			The master of money codex
		
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			called the Imam manuscript
		
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			was then copied at least 3 times
		
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			and sent out to the Ansar, right, these
		
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			major metropolitan areas.
		
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			The the Andalusian scholar,
		
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			Abu Amur Adani,
		
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			whose book, Al Muknir, is is a major
		
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			reference when it comes to,
		
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			Qira'at
		
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			and and Masahif of the
		
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			Quran, manuscripts of the Quran. He he cited
		
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			several times in the ifkan by Saudi. Adani
		
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			says that there were 4 of money codices.
		
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			Okay. So Medina, Kufa, Basra, and
		
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			Syria. Okay. But he mentions there could have
		
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			been up to 7. Now doctor Sitti conducted
		
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			what he called phylogenetic
		
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			analysis on these manuscripts,
		
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			which is
		
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			which is used in biology to track sort
		
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			of evolutionary history of organisms.
		
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			And so this analysis generated various stemmas or
		
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			family trees of of manuscripts.
		
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			I don't exactly know how it all works,
		
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			but he does. This is some, you know,
		
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			cutting edge stuff.
		
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			Basically, he analyzed and aggregated
		
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			all of the extent Quran manuscripts
		
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			that he can get his hands on and
		
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			concluded that they all go back to 4
		
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			ancestral codices
		
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			with the exception of the lower text of
		
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			c 1, the sun of palimpsest. Again, I'll
		
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			talk about that later in shalom.
		
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			So all extant manuscripts with the exception of
		
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			c one go back to Medina, Basar Akufa
		
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			in Syria.
		
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			And based on carbon dating,
		
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			the time window, he says, is, quote, consistent
		
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			with 650 CE, the time of the caliph
		
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			Uthman.
		
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			So so Sitti concludes,
		
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			as does Van Putten and and others, Nikolai
		
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			Sinai,
		
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			that the broad strokes, as it were, of
		
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			the traditional Muslim narrative
		
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			of the Quran standardization by Uthman around 6
		
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			50 is historically accurate.
		
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			Okay? This is what the physical manuscript evidence
		
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			points to. Yep.
		
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			Okay?
		
01:04:39 --> 01:04:41
			Doc doctor you're upon. I was just gonna
		
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			say Go ahead. Professor Nikolai, Sinai, he's professor
		
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			of Islamic Studies University of Oxford. He's one
		
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			of the world's leading
		
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			authorities on this. He's a German scholar. He's
		
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			not a he's not a Muslim, of course.
		
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			And his book on historical critical introduction to
		
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			the Quran was published last year, which I've
		
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			got behind me. I was gonna get it,
		
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			but I'm not gonna bother. But,
		
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			recommended,
		
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			as well. But, yes, he he he endorses
		
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			the the standard narrative as you say. So
		
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			these are top scholars,
		
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			Muslim and non Muslim. There there's a a
		
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			consensus, I think, gathering around this point.
		
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			Yes.
		
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			Yeah. That's that is an excellent text. I
		
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			mean, I highly recommend that for anyone,
		
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			who wants to an introduction to higher criticism
		
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			of the Quran. It's absolutely fabulous text.
		
01:05:24 --> 01:05:25
			Doctor and and I was gonna say doctor
		
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			Nazir Khan,
		
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			He he wrote a very good article,
		
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			on the the variance, the variant readings of
		
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			the Quran.
		
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			He said that the traditional Muslim narrative is
		
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			true because, quote, the absence of any compelling
		
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			evidence to challenge it as well as, quote,
		
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			the presence of considerable data in its support.
		
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			Now now, Sthi,
		
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			he further says that the algorithm suggests
		
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			that the Medina and codex
		
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			is most likely
		
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			the Uthmanic archetype. In other words, the Basran,
		
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			Kufen, and Himsi or Syrian codices,
		
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			were copied from the Madinan. The Madinan codex
		
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			was the first codex that was produced.
		
01:06:03 --> 01:06:06
			So all Qur'anic manuscripts today, extant today, go
		
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			back to at least 4
		
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			Uthmanic codices with the exception of c one.
		
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			But the Uthmanic textual
		
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			tradition and the c one textual tradition have
		
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			a common ancestor, the prophetic archetype.
		
01:06:17 --> 01:06:19
			The problem with c one, we'll see, however,
		
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			was that it contained a few scribal errors,
		
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			various spelling conventions,
		
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			and readings which were not widely recited among
		
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			the Sahaba in Medina. But, again, we'll get
		
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			to that,
		
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			Inshallah.
		
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			But let's look a little a bit closer.
		
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			I said that there were four reasons for
		
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			differences in the companion codices.
		
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			So number 1, we said various orthographies.
		
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			The companion spelled words in different ways. This
		
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			is completely uncontroversial.
		
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			Let's focus on number 2, though. Number 2
		
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			is variance in the rasam
		
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			due to the.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			K. So let me give you an example
		
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			of this, and then we'll circle back to
		
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			numbers 3 and 4, scribal errors and and
		
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			exegetical
		
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			notes.
		
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			So the top of this slide says skeletal,
		
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			that is Rasmi,
		
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			variance in the textual tradition of
		
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			of ibn Mas'ud. Right? It's not extant.
		
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			Okay?
		
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			The only potential
		
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			potential companion codices,
		
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			that we have are c one and the
		
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			Birmingham manuscript. I mean, we have no external
		
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			evidence
		
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			of Ibn Mas'ud's Mus'haf, his codex.
		
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			Okay. C1 is definitely not his codex. Now
		
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			I should mention, some contemporary Muslim scholars have
		
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			argued that there never was a Mus'af of
		
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			of ibn Mas'ud. Okay. This is an opinion.
		
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			And and Al Abami, he explains this argument
		
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			in his, in chapter 13 of his book,
		
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			the history of the Quranic text. Chapter 13
		
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			is called the so called Mus'af of Ibn
		
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			Mas'ud
		
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			and alleged variances therein.
		
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			Personally, I'm not convinced by this argument. I
		
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			think it's an interesting argument, when you engage
		
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			it, but,
		
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			it's not very compelling in my opinion. I
		
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			think Ibn Masrou definitely did have a musshaf.
		
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			What happened to his musshaf, his codex? Was
		
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			it recalled by Uthman
		
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			and destroyed?
		
01:08:07 --> 01:08:08
			Probably not.
		
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			One of the students of Imam al Kisai
		
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			in Kufa named Yahya
		
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			al Farah, he said that he actually saw
		
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			a copy of the codex of Ibn Mas'ud
		
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			at the end of the 2nd century Hijri.
		
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			Okay. So we have eyewitness testimony of its
		
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			existence way after Uthman.
		
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			Was this a fake, a fabrication? Was it
		
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			original? Was it a copy? Allahu'alam, god knows.
		
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			According to ibn Abi Dawud, Uthman did decree
		
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			that all, personal fragments of the Quran that
		
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			differ from the Uthmani Mus'af be destroyed.
		
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			But ibn Hajar mentions that that it was
		
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			possible that people erased the ink rather than
		
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			destroyed or burned their manuscripts. And, of course,
		
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			the lower text of c one was erased.
		
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			So it's very important that we study c
		
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			one. We'll look at that. However, ibn Mas'ud
		
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			codex apparently survived well into the 8th century.
		
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			Nonetheless,
		
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			it is reported
		
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			that in the textual tradition of ibn Mas'ud,
		
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			Ibn Mas'ud read Surah 101 like this,
		
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			Al Qari Atum Manqari Ahamma Adaraka Manqari Ahiyomayapunun
		
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			nasukhadfarashin
		
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			mabathuth.
		
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			So far so good. And then verse 5,
		
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			So what does the Uthmani textual tradition say?
		
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			So Ibn Mas'ud says the mountains will be
		
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			like carded suf.
		
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			Uthman says the mountains will be like carded
		
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			ehen.
		
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			What can account
		
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			for this difference?
		
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			Well, there are three possible reasons.
		
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			Number 1, this was an example of synonymic
		
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			variation,
		
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			one of the 7 aharof. In other words,
		
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			at times,
		
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			in order to facilitate
		
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			comprehension and retention
		
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			for various Arab tribes,
		
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			the prophet would recite verses in various ways,
		
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			and
		
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			sometimes a word with a similar meaning would
		
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			be used for another word because the latter
		
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			was not known or not popular among a
		
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			given tribe.
		
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			So suf and echin are synonymous. They both
		
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			mean wool.
		
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			Right? It doesn't make a difference at all
		
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			which word is used in the context of
		
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			this verse.
		
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			So the prophet recited it both ways. This
		
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			was a function of the.
		
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			At
		
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			times, the prophet's readings had this type of
		
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			recitational latitude for the sake of taisir alfahan,
		
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			for the sake of facilitating understanding among Arabs.
		
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			Now another possibility that I intimated earlier that
		
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			this was simply an error that Ibn Mas'ud
		
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			wrote down the wrong word. He misremembered it.
		
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			A third possibility is that the word
		
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			suf,
		
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			is that he wrote the word suf somewhere
		
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			in his codex, maybe above or below the
		
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			verse
		
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			as a tafsiri note, an exegetical note. In
		
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			other words, to sort of remind himself
		
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			that means suf, maybe because he wasn't familiar
		
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			with the word
		
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			and so he wrote down a synonym.
		
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			But then later, some of his
		
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			students maybe thought that he was correcting the
		
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			muskaf or that he was saying that either
		
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			one could be recited as a function of
		
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			the akhruf.
		
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			Abu Bakr al Bakilani, he said that companions
		
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			at times would write tafsiri notes in their
		
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			masahif.
		
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			Ibn al Jazari said that they would do
		
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			this idahan mabayanan,
		
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			meaning as a way of sort of clarifying
		
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			the meanings for themselves. So these were their
		
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			personal codices.
		
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			Okay? And so they would write their personal
		
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			notes,
		
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			in their personal codices.
		
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			So these these notes, in the in the
		
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			companion codices were really the very first form
		
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			of tafsir, of Quranic exegesis
		
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			in Islam.
		
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			And what's interesting is when we look at
		
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			the, like,
		
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			the, c one, when we look at the
		
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			sunnah palimpsest, we noticed that whoever wrote, whoever
		
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			wrote this, possibly a companion of the prophet,
		
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			right before Surah number 9,
		
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			there's a note that says,
		
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			Don't say Bismillah, because it's not the Sunnah
		
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			in the Quran to recite Bismillah before. So,
		
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			this is definitely
		
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			the companion making a personal note to himself,
		
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			reminding himself of something.
		
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			But for the sake of argument, let's go
		
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			with the first possibility.
		
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			Okay? Let's say that Ibn Mas'ud,
		
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			okay, recited it as suf because this is
		
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			when he heard the prophet recite.
		
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			Okay. Fine. And there are reports that Ibn
		
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			Mas'ud refused to submit his mushaf because he
		
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			said that, he learned his readings directly from
		
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			the prophet. Fine.
		
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			Now, even though Ibn Mas'ud's textual tradition was
		
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			popular in Iraq, okay,
		
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			it is very likely
		
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			that there were several companions
		
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			in Medina
		
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			who learned the Quran from him. He was
		
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			a great teacher of the Quran.
		
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			So it is very likely that there were
		
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			companions in Medina
		
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			who recited Surah 5 sorry, verse 5 of
		
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			Surah 101
		
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			as Kasuf Al Manfush.
		
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			So, so why does the Uthmani textual tradition
		
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			say
		
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			and not Suf? This is very simple. The
		
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			latter reading with Suf was just not widely
		
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			attested in Medina
		
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			at the time of the codex committee.
		
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			Okay. Suf was revealed to the prophet. Okay.
		
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			But for the sake of stabilizing the text,
		
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			it was abandoned by the codex committee.
		
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			Now you might say, how can they abandon
		
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			something from the Quran? That's a good question.
		
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			How is this not,
		
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			tahrifun nas? How is this not textual corruption?
		
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			How is this not nasch? How is this
		
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			not abrogation?
		
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			Well, let's start with the latter.
		
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			With respect to nusk, okay, abrogation,
		
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			no one other than the prophet
		
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			with God's leave can abrogate something. Okay?
		
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			Perhaps Souf was abrogated by the prophet during
		
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			his final mu'aradah with Jibril, his final review
		
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			with Gabriel, and Zaid in the committee knew
		
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			this.
		
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			So Ihin reflects the the prophet's final recension
		
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			with Gabriel.
		
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			But, again, let's say for the sake of
		
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			argument that it was not abrogated,
		
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			that both readings were valid.
		
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			How can the codex committee abandon the suf
		
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			reading?
		
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			Again, this is very simple. The akhruf were
		
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			a form of ruxa.
		
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			Ruxa means
		
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			concession,
		
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			alleviation,
		
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			or special permission.
		
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			The Quran was revealed in 7 Ahruf to
		
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			make understanding
		
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			easier
		
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			and a Ruksa by rule may be abandoned.
		
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			For example, if you travel during Ramadan,
		
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			you do not have to fast.
		
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			You can take that Ruksa
		
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			and not fast or not take it and
		
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			fast. It's your choice.
		
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			So the codex committee made the choice
		
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			to stabilize the Rasam upon one harf when
		
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			it came to this verse
		
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			rather than to have one Uthmani codex say
		
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			suf and another Uthmani codex say ihin
		
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			because this would have potentially led to the
		
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			to the very type of unrest in the
		
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			provinces that the, the codex committee
		
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			was specifically formed to quell. Okay?
		
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			Now so so this was not nusk. Okay?
		
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			This was not abrogation of the Quran. This
		
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			was abandoning a concession.
		
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			Neither was this tahrif,
		
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			textual corruption.
		
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			So tahrif would have been to change a
		
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			word to another word
		
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			that was not found in
		
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			any companion codex or manuscript and not recited
		
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			by any known companion.
		
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			For example, if the committee wrote,
		
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			like, wabar means
		
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			wool in Arabic. I don't know if it's,
		
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			if it's modern or classical Arabic,
		
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			but just just an example of a word
		
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			that is that is totally unattested.
		
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			Right? So
		
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			so this would have been tariff. This would
		
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			have been textual corruption.
		
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			If the codex committee
		
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			if the codex committee had decided
		
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			to fabricate
		
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			or corrupt the Quran,
		
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			okay, this would have been they would have
		
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			been confronted
		
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			by 1,000
		
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			of other Sahaba
		
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			who would have made life,
		
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			let's
		
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			just say very, very difficult for the committee.
		
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			Okay? Well, somebody might say, well, Usman was
		
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			assassinated.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			Yes. He was 6 years later, and that
		
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			had absolutely nothing to do with his standardization
		
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			of the Quran. He was killed by foreign
		
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			rebels who accused him of nepotism. It was
		
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			all political.
		
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			Okay. I mean, is Ibn Mas'ud Suf or
		
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			etcetera?
		
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			Is this really the hill that Christian polemicists
		
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			want to die on?
		
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			Right? Suf or ihin, really? I mean, it's
		
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			it's desperation, I know. When we look in
		
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			the new testament,
		
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			you know, and Christians don't believe in achos.
		
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			Right? We see variants
		
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			that have major theological implications
		
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			like John 118. Right? Is Jesus the only
		
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			begotten son? Is he monogenes
		
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			huios,
		
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			or is he the only begotten god,
		
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			the Now that is a variant reading for
		
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			you.
		
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			Okay. Which one is authentic? Well,
		
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			let's
		
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			look at the 1st century manuscripts of the
		
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			gospel of John. We have 0.
		
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			Okay? The oldest are p 66 and p
		
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			75, both late 2nd century and they both
		
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			say only begotten god.
		
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			This is the older and the more difficult
		
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			reading, so it's most likely the most authentic.
		
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			So, scribes in the later centuries, they
		
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			changed it to sun because the author of
		
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			John's gospel clearly believed that Jesus was a
		
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			second
		
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			god. Right? Like, Origen called Christ, the logos,
		
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			a deuteros
		
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			theos, a second god. Justin Martyr, the father
		
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			of Logos Theology,
		
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			he called the Logos Allos Theos,
		
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			another god. The the Johann and Jesus admits
		
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			that he himself has a God.
		
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			He's called God and he has a God.
		
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			That's 2 Gods.
		
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			John was highly influenced by middle Platonic metaphysics.
		
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			He explicitly called Christ the logos and the
		
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			only begotten God. And so later scribes
		
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			wanted to soften his explicit polytheism.
		
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			And so they changed only begotten only begotten
		
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			god to only begotten son.
		
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			So that is a very problematic,
		
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			variant reading
		
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			that has no similitude in the Quran, even
		
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			though Christian polemicists want to sort of equalize,
		
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			and we have this and you have it.
		
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			It's no.
		
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			It's worlds apart. Okay.
		
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			Now,
		
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			this is where the Christian polemicists will come
		
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			in with a Hadith. They love this Hadith,
		
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			right? It's going to backfire on them though.
		
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			So there's a Hadith in Bukhari, the prophet
		
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			sallallahu alaihi wasallam, he said,
		
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			was Salim mumu'aabu
		
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			Ubay ibn Nuqab.
		
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			Ookumaqala alayhi salatu wa salam. So the Prophet
		
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			said, take the Quran from 4 men.
		
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			From ibn Mas'ud
		
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			and Salim and Mu'adh and Ubay ibn Nukar.
		
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			Okay? First thing here, the Prophet didn't say
		
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			only these 4 men. The prophet mentioned these
		
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			4 because
		
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			they were the most imminent teachers of the
		
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			Quran
		
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			in his day.
		
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			But here the Christian polemicist says,
		
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			The prophet said, Take the Quran from Ibn
		
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			Mas'ud,
		
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			yet the codex committee abandoned many of his
		
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			readings.
		
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			Gotcha.
		
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			Right? So this is just,
		
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			an an an asinine.
		
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			You know? That is to say a brainless
		
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			argument. So so let's think about this. When
		
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			the prophet made this statement,
		
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			what did the companions do? Did they ignore
		
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			him?
		
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			No. They obviously listened to him and learned
		
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			the Quran, their Quran from Ibn Mas'ud.
		
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			Not all of them, some went to Ubay,
		
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			some went to Mu'adh, etcetera.
		
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			The companions who learned from Ibn Mas'ud probably
		
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			wrote down what they learned. So when Zaid
		
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			asked the generality of the companions to bring
		
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			their manuscripts
		
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			to the masjid,
		
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			during the standardization process,
		
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			those manuscripts were present. And I already said
		
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			that the Uthmani textual tradition was a critical
		
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			addition that assimilated the strongest readings
		
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			from the existing companion textual traditions.
		
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			In other words, much of the textual tradition
		
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			of ibn Masbud
		
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			was incorporated
		
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			into the Uthmani textual tradition.
		
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			So the codex committee did take from Ibn
		
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			Mas'ud
		
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			and ibn Ka'ab
		
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			and Salim
		
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			and Mu'av
		
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			and others. The codex committee was in total
		
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			conformity
		
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			with this hadith.
		
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			This hadith
		
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			absolutely works against the Christian polemicis.
		
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			Now, C1,
		
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			that we'll talk about later. I keep talking
		
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			I keep mentioning C1.
		
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			The the son Palim says, was also a
		
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			companion codex according to Behnam Sadele,
		
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			and and I agree with him. And although
		
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			C1 is not the Musaf of
		
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			ibn Mas'ud, in C1, we see exactly the
		
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			same types of differences that are described as
		
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			occurring in the Mushaf of ibn Mas'ud.
		
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			And this is how Doctor. Sikli describes C1.
		
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			He says, quote, by and large, it is
		
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			the same Quran we have in the Uthmanic
		
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			text type. End quote.
		
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			Therefore, logic tells us
		
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			that,
		
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			that this must also be true of the
		
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			Mus'haf of Ibn Mas'rud that by and large,
		
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			it is the same as the Uthmanic textual
		
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			tradition.
		
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			The Uthmanic textual tradition
		
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			drew upon,
		
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			okay, the textual tradition of Ibn Mas'ud and
		
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			others. This is exactly what the prophet said
		
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			to do, and this is exactly what the
		
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			codex committee did.
		
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			Now some orientalists
		
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			and many, Christian of polemicists,
		
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			claim that since there are reports
		
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			that Ibn Mas'ud's codex
		
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			did not contain Al Fatiha,
		
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			that Ibn Mas'ud did not consider Al Fatiha
		
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			to be part of the Quran. Like I
		
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			said earlier,
		
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			this goes beyond ridiculous. I think we've entered
		
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			into the realm of ludicrous.
		
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			If this report about his codex is accurate,
		
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			it's obvious that ibn Mas'ud did not write
		
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			Al Fatiha in his codex because al Fatiha
		
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			was so ubiquitous.
		
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			There was no need to write it down.
		
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			In fact, the Abbasid scholar Abu Bakr alan
		
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			Bari, is, is quoted by Imam al Qurtubi.
		
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			So the great exeget, Imam al Qurtubi,
		
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			in his Al Jami'r I Al Akkam al
		
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			Quran.
		
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			According to,
		
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			Al Anbari,
		
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			ibn Mas'ud was asked point blank
		
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			why he did not write al Fatiha in
		
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			his mushaf.
		
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			And ibn Mas'ud responded, lo kataptuhahataptuham
		
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			aquli Surah. If I had written it, I
		
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			would have written it before every Surah.
		
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			Right? This is how Muslims pray. They recite
		
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			al Fatiha and then another Surah.
		
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			So Al Anvari goes on to say that
		
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			Ibn Mas'ud did not write it because there
		
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			was no need.
		
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			All of the Muslims had it memorized, so
		
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			he left it off for the sake of
		
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			brevity.
		
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			So the argument of the polemicist here is
		
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			a nonsecretor.
		
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			You know, ibn Mas'ud did not write down
		
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			a surah in his mushaf. Therefore, he denied
		
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			that it was revelation.
		
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			No. At this early time, and you mentioned
		
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			this earlier, at this early time, orality took
		
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			precedence overriding.
		
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			Okay? And here's a quote from doctor Nazir
		
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			Khan, who wrote a fantastic essay, by the
		
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			way, entitled the origins of the variant readings
		
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			of the Quran. He says the reality is
		
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			that the Sahaba
		
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			is that the Sahaba used their writings of
		
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			the Quran as memory aids for personal worship
		
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			and recitation
		
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			and consequently never intended them as complete official
		
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			copies
		
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			of the Quran.
		
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			Now, Imam Suyuti, he quoted Imam Al Tabri
		
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			who who quoted
		
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			the verse in the Quran. So there's a
		
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			verse in the Quran, 15/80
		
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			7, that says,
		
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			that we have given you, oh prophet, the
		
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			7 oft repeated ones
		
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			in the great Quran.
		
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			And and Imam Tabari said about the 7
		
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			off
		
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			repeated ones. Like, what does that mean, the
		
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			7 off repeated ones? He says in his
		
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			tafsir, qala ibn Mas'ud fatihatul kitab.
		
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			Wah
		
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			wal Quran al adhin qala sa'il al Quran.
		
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			So he said that ibn Mas'ud said about
		
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			this portion of this verse, the 7 off
		
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			repeated ones, that this is a reference to
		
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			the Fatiha,
		
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			and that the great Quran was a reference
		
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			to the remainder of the Quran.
		
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			Okay. So but a critic here might say,
		
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			well, those traditions could have been fabricated,
		
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			to mitigate the controversy.
		
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			They they just seem so convenient.
		
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			Okay. But, again, this is not a historical
		
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			argument. It's an argument that a Christian apologist,
		
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			will use because he's forced to because these
		
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			traditions are devastating,
		
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			to his case. But, fine, let's forget about
		
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			these statements of Ibn Mas'ud. Let's use logic
		
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			and common sense. If Ibn Mas'ud did not
		
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			consider al Fatiha
		
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			to be part of the Quran, how did
		
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			he pray?
		
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			You know, how did his
		
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			students in Kufa pray? His imminent students like
		
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			Al Qama ibn Qais or Zir Ibn Khabeis?
		
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			How did their students pray? Ibrahim An Nakhai
		
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			and Aasen.
		
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			How did their students pray? Abu Hanifa
		
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			and his students,
		
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			Muhammad al Shaybani and Kabi Abu Yusuf. If
		
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			Ibn Mas'ud did not believe in Al Fatiha,
		
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			this causes a
		
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			cascade of unsolved problems.
		
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			In Bukhari, we're told that Ibn Mas'ud's student,
		
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			Al Khama, traveled to Syria and met with
		
01:25:02 --> 01:25:04
			the other companion, Abu Darda, and they talked
		
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			about the textual tradition of Ibn Mas'ud.
		
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			Did Alakha Mah dispute with Abu Darda about
		
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			and his and his hundreds of students
		
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			about the Quranic status of al Fatiha?
		
01:25:16 --> 01:25:18
			No, he didn't. Because if he did, you
		
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			better believe we would have heard about that.
		
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			It would have made major headlines.
		
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			That's it. Okay.
		
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			Why didn't Ibn Mas'ud's students in Kufa
		
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			clash over the Fatihah,
		
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			with the students of Abdurrahman al Sulani when
		
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			the latter brought the codex,
		
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			sorry, Texas receptus, as Arthur Jeffrey called it,
		
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			the Uthmani codex into Kufa.
		
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			You know, why didn't they make chakfir upon
		
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			ibn Mas'ud,
		
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			That is,
		
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			anathematize
		
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			him and his students for denying a surah
		
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			of the Quran and have them brought up
		
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			on charges
		
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			of blasphemy and thrown in jail and punished.
		
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			Now Arthur Jeffery points out that,
		
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			that ibn Nabi Dawud mentions in Kitab al
		
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			Musahes,
		
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			that it was reported that ibn Mas'ud used
		
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			to recite al Fatiha
		
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			as Arshidna Arshidna Siratal Mustaqi
		
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			instead of Idina Siratal Mustaqi.
		
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			And, you know, other critics are quick to
		
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			point this out as well. I mean, look
		
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			how transparent our scholars were. They mentioned all
		
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			these things. There was nothing to hide. But
		
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			here's the problem for the critics. They can't
		
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			have it both ways.
		
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			Right? So if their claim is that Ibn
		
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			Mas'ud rejected the Fatiha,
		
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			they cannot say now out of the other
		
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			side of their mouths that he No, he
		
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			recited it, but he
		
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			recited it as Arshid Nasirat al Mustaqimah, which
		
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			is it? Right? And I've already mentioned that
		
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			it is beyond obvious that Ibn Mas'ud considered
		
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			Al Fatiha
		
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			to be a surah of the Quran. So
		
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			what about this business of Arshidna? Was this
		
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			an authentic
		
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			variant reading like Madic or Medic?
		
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			Could it have been revealed to the prophet
		
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			in this way
		
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			in addition to as
		
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			a function of the akhruv? And the answer
		
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			is yes, it's possible,
		
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			although highly improbable.
		
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			Or perhaps ibn Mas'ud meant this to be
		
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			an explanatory note, a tafsiri note for himself
		
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			that, that Hidayah in this verse means Irshad.
		
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			Right? They're somewhat synonymous.
		
01:27:12 --> 01:27:13
			Maybe that's
		
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			also possible, but it's anomalous.
		
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			It's isolated. It has no solid basis. We
		
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			have no
		
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			external manuscript evidence of this.
		
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			And our qira'at come from mass transmitted
		
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			living traditions,
		
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			not from isolated and spurious reports, not from
		
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			remote possibilities.
		
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			Right? So the bottom
		
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			line is no one denied,
		
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			al Fatiha. That is just ridiculous.
		
01:27:38 --> 01:27:38
			Now
		
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			the other thing that they bring up, okay,
		
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			to create another shu'tah, right, another doubt or
		
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			suspicion is the report that states that Ibn
		
01:27:47 --> 01:27:47
			Mas'ud,
		
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			Ibn Mas'ud's Mushaf lacked the last two surahs
		
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			of the Quran. Right? So it's Surah 113
		
01:27:54 --> 01:27:57
			and 114 called Al Mu'awad attained.
		
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			Yeah. So Yuti mentions this.
		
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			And therefore, here comes their wild nonsecretary
		
01:28:02 --> 01:28:05
			conclusion again. And therefore, Ibn Mas'ud rejected these
		
01:28:05 --> 01:28:08
			2 Surahs as being the Quran.
		
01:28:08 --> 01:28:10
			Right? And and again, they they cite some
		
01:28:10 --> 01:28:13
			isolated reports that Ibn Mas'ud erased these
		
01:28:13 --> 01:28:16
			surahs from his codex. So my response here
		
01:28:16 --> 01:28:18
			has 4 parts. Okay? Number 1, we have
		
01:28:18 --> 01:28:21
			already established that for Ibn Mas'ud, if something
		
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			was not written in his Mus'af, it did
		
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			not mean that he rejected it as being
		
01:28:25 --> 01:28:26
			the Quran.
		
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			Perhaps he only wrote it in his Perhaps
		
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			he only wrote in his Mus'af
		
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			what he heard the prophet recite in prayer.
		
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			So he didn't hear surahs 113 and 114
		
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			in prayer, but he certainly did not reject
		
01:28:37 --> 01:28:39
			them as being the Quran. The Fatiha was
		
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			an exception because of its ubiquity. Number 2,
		
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			again, our reading traditions come from mass transmission,
		
01:28:45 --> 01:28:47
			not from isolated reports.
		
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			Number 3, according to Imam, Shem Sudin al
		
01:28:50 --> 01:28:53
			Jazari in his book Khitab al Nasr fihqratil
		
01:28:54 --> 01:28:55
			Ashar,
		
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			4 out of the 10 mass transmitted reading
		
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			traditions, and we'll talk about these reading traditions.
		
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			4 of, 4 out of the 10, so
		
01:29:03 --> 01:29:04
			Asim, Hamza,
		
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			Al Kisai, and Khalaf all in Iraq
		
01:29:07 --> 01:29:09
			can be traced to the prophet through Abdullah
		
01:29:09 --> 01:29:10
			ibn Mas'ud.
		
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			And all recite Surah's 113 and
		
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			114. And number 4,
		
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			even if this were true,
		
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			let's entertain this argument again.
		
01:29:20 --> 01:29:22
			Okay. For argument's sake, let's say this is
		
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			true. Ibn Mas'ud erased these 2 Surahs from
		
01:29:25 --> 01:29:27
			his Mus'af because he didn't believe them to
		
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			be the Quran.
		
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			Okay. It is clear from all of his
		
01:29:30 --> 01:29:31
			students
		
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			and their students that he eventually
		
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			did come to believe in their Quranic status.
		
01:29:36 --> 01:29:38
			This is a point that Ibn Hajar made.
		
01:29:38 --> 01:29:40
			It's very clear. Even if this statement is
		
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			true, it's obvious that he changed his mind.
		
01:29:43 --> 01:29:45
			This is yet another red herring that these
		
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			polemicists want us to chase.
		
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			This is this is them making sort of
		
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			a mountain,
		
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			out of a molehill.
		
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			Moving on here. Yeah. Just can we just,
		
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			about my own, thought I mean, obviously, not
		
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			a scholar or anything, but I've got my
		
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			copy here of the Holy Bible. This is
		
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			kind of an analogy,
		
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			and this is a very worn copy. I
		
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			mean, I I mean, it's it's a brown
		
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			because I and, obviously, it starts in Genesis.
		
01:30:09 --> 01:30:11
			It's the Christian Bible, and it ends in
		
01:30:11 --> 01:30:12
			the book of Revelation. Doesn't it? That's what
		
01:30:12 --> 01:30:15
			the bible should be. But in my copy,
		
01:30:16 --> 01:30:19
			there's some missing books. And actually, the last
		
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			page is Hebrews
		
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			Hebrews chapter
		
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			3.
		
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			Now, does this mean that the Holy Bible
		
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			doesn't contain the book of Revelation or the
		
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			letter of James or 123
		
01:30:30 --> 01:30:31
			John?
		
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			Because it's not in my copy,
		
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			which is extremely well worn away and thumbed.
		
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			No. Because because it was worn away by
		
01:30:40 --> 01:30:41
			use. And so I had to replace it
		
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			with this one, which is the full copy,
		
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			including the book of Revelation, which is missing
		
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			for my codex,
		
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			for my musha, for my, Christian bible. Yeah.
		
01:30:51 --> 01:30:53
			That I'm not saying that's a serious academic,
		
01:30:53 --> 01:30:55
			alternative, but it just goes to show that
		
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			things can get worn away through a lot
		
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			of use. It doesn't mean the books are
		
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			never there, or they're denied their canonical status,
		
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			or they're not inspired. It's just this particular,
		
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			book that I have is being worn away
		
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			through a constant use. That's it. No. That's
		
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			a good point. And and, of course, Surah
		
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			113 and 114 are the last 2 Surah
		
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			of the Quran. That's the point. They're the
		
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			last 2. Yeah. And the book of Revelation
		
01:31:17 --> 01:31:19
			is the last in the Bible, but it's
		
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			missing Exactly. My codex.
		
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			Does that what does that prove? Does it
		
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			prove it was never there in the first
		
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			place? Not really. It got worn away through
		
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			use.
		
01:31:27 --> 01:31:28
			Yes. Exactly. Exactly.
		
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			That's a good point. Now let's move to
		
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			the mushaf of another companion. So Ubay ibn
		
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			Uqab. Okay?
		
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			And the polemicists also,
		
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			they really love this mushaf.
		
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			Okay. So, again, we don't have the mushaf,
		
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			of of ibn Kab. It's not extent. C
		
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			one is not the mushaf of ibn Kab.
		
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			And C But although C1 more closely resembles
		
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			ibn Kab than it does of Ibn Mas'ud.
		
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			So what's the big deal about this Mus'haf?
		
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			Right? Well, there are reports,
		
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			reports that the Mus'af of Ibn Kaab contained
		
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			2 additional Surahs
		
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			that did not make it into the Uthmani
		
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			codex.
		
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			Gasp.
		
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			Sayyuti in the Iqan, he mentions this as
		
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			well and references this to Kitab al Mu'ath.
		
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			Sahib,
		
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			Al Adami mentions in his book, The History
		
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			of the Quran Text, that this was first
		
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			mentioned by Hamad ibn Salima, who actually died
		
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			167 Hijra, and that there's a major gap
		
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			in the ISN ed of this report of
		
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			at least 2 or 3 generations.
		
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			So Adame calls this report defective and spurious.
		
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			Nonetheless, let's look at these so called Suras.
		
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			The first so called Sura is called, Surat
		
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			Al Khala.
		
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			Okay,
		
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			and here it is, I'll read the entire
		
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			Surah, so called Surah,
		
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			Okay? So, oh, Allah, we invoke you for
		
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			help
		
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			and beg for forgiveness, and we believe in
		
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			you and have trust in you and we
		
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			praise you in the best way we can,
		
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			and we thank you and we are not
		
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			ungrateful to you, and we forsake and turn
		
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			away from the one who disobeys you. That's
		
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			it. This is supposed to be a Surah.
		
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			Not sure how many verses it is. The
		
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			second so called Surah is
		
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			called Surah Al Haft and here it is.
		
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			Allahumma Iyaka na Abuuwalakanussaliwanasjuduwailaka
		
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			nas
		
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			So O Allah, we worship you and ourselves
		
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			before you, and we hasten towards you and
		
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			serve you. And we hope, to receive your
		
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			mercy,
		
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			and we
		
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			dread your torment. Surely, the, disbelievers shall incur
		
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			your torment.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			Now let's go back here. Yes. So now
		
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			Muslims who are listening to this right now,
		
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			especially the Hanafis,
		
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			have probably immediately recognized
		
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			what I just read as
		
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			something called Dua Al Kunut. Okay? This is
		
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			also called Al Kunut Al Hanafi'ah.
		
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			This is a very popular prophetic invocation. Okay?
		
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			It is recorded
		
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			in numerous,
		
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			hadith that the prophet would often recite this
		
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			supplication,
		
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			Dua'al Qunud, during the audible prayers. I'll cite
		
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			a few here. So, Sunan
		
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			Abu Majah, number 1182,
		
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			created a sound on the authority of Ubay
		
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			ibn Nukab,
		
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			right? The same Ubay ibn Uqab who wrote
		
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			the codex in question.
		
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			The messenger of God used to pray witter
		
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			and recite Al Qunut before bowing.
		
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			Sunan
		
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			and Masai also graded a sound on the
		
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			authority of Ubay ibn Luqa'ab.
		
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			The Messenger of God used to pray 3
		
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			cycles during Surat al Wutr and he would
		
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			recite in the 1st Sura 87, in
		
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			the 2nd Sura 109,
		
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			in the 3rd
		
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			Sura 112, and then Al Qunut
		
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			before bowing. At timmidi number 401,
		
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			from Bara'i ibnu Azib, the prophet sallallahu alaihi
		
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			wasallam used to recite Al Qunut in the
		
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			morning and sunset prayers.
		
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			So, this was something the Sahaba heard the
		
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			Prophet say in prayer. Now, Doctor. Sean Anthony,
		
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			who is not hostile, he's not a polemicist,
		
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			he's written on this topic of the alleged
		
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			loss to surahs. Okay? And this is what
		
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			he concludes. This is a quote from Anthony.
		
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			A hoard of evidence strongly indicates that not
		
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			merely Ubayy ibn Ka'a, but also other companions
		
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			regarded the Surahs, he means these 2 Surahs,
		
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			as part of the Quran
		
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			and therefore part of the prophetic revelation given
		
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			to Muhammad.
		
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			Now, I don't necessarily
		
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			disagree with him here. I think it's certainly
		
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			understandable
		
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			why some companions could have thought
		
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			that these were
		
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			Surah. Right? The prophet used to recite them
		
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			in prayer.
		
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			Okay? And this is no doubt why Ubay
		
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			ibn Nuqa'ab and maybe others wrote these supplications
		
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			down in their Masahif
		
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			because the prophet would
		
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			recite them in prayer.
		
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			But then Anthony also says that these 2
		
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			Suras, quote, for whatever reason came to be
		
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			excluded from the canon
		
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			by the process of Uthman's collection and textual
		
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			canonization
		
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			of the prophetic revelation.
		
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			For whatever reason, really,
		
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			I think the reason is more than obvious.
		
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			So, these so called Suras were not deemed
		
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			genuine Suras by the codex committee
		
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			because the vast majority of the companions
		
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			always knew them to be special supplications,
		
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			that the prophet would recite in prayer nonetheless,
		
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			but not as Quranic Suras.
		
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			That the companions who did regard them as
		
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			Suras were simply wrong. They were under a
		
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			misapprehension.
		
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			Again, the Uthmani textual tradition was the most
		
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			widely recited rendition of the prophetic
		
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			archetype because it was called for the most
		
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			widely attested readings of the companions.
		
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			Why else would the committee exclude them? Why
		
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			else? Why? And Anthony doesn't give an doesn't
		
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			give an answer. Do they contain some aberrant
		
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			or blasphemous teachings? No. Do they contain, you
		
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			know, embarrassing grammatical errors?
		
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			No.
		
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			Do their meanings contradict the rest of the
		
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			Quran in some way? No. Now now this
		
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			is enough, but for what it's worth, let's
		
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			look at the internal evidence of these so
		
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			called Suras.
		
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			Now doctor Van Poonen contends
		
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			that these, supplications
		
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			sound like the Quran. Right? So he he
		
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			concludes,
		
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			yes. They are Suras of
		
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			the Quran. I disagree with him. I actually
		
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			don't think that they sound like the Quran.
		
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			I think the style and diction of these
		
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			so called Surahs
		
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			contravene
		
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			the Quranic idiom.
		
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			The reason is because,
		
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			they are the words of the prophet.
		
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			So what I mean is they are in
		
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			correct Arabic, and the meanings are sound. They
		
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			agree with the theology
		
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			and message of the Quran, but stylistically,
		
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			they are not Quranic.
		
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			And Anthony mentions this as well, although, ultimately,
		
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			he's not persuaded by it. Van Poonen's opinion
		
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			about these surahs is actually at odds with
		
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			Noldike and Shuale.
		
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			So Nolike and Shuali were the 2 main
		
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			authors of the seminal,
		
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			history of the Quran in German.
		
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			Nolike
		
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			and Shuali reject actually rejected these supplications as
		
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			being genuinely Quranic on literary and stylistic grounds.
		
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			I'll just give you 2 pieces of evidence.
		
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			So number 1, the
		
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			the vacative Allahumah,
		
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			meaning oh god,
		
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			never appears in the Quran as the first
		
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			word of any verse as it does in
		
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			these 2 so called Surahs.
		
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			In every occurrence in the Quran, you can
		
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			look in the concordance,
		
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			Allahumma is preceded by either Qul Qala or
		
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			something equivalent
		
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			like Their cry therein will be in other
		
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			words, God is quoting the people of paradise.
		
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			Right? This is equivalent to saying
		
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			Okay? So that's 1. And then and number
		
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			2, and even Anthony calls this this one
		
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			compelling evidence.
		
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			In Surah Al Khala, this so called Surah,
		
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			it says,
		
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			Right? We don't disbelieve in you
		
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			with a second person masculine singular,
		
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			phenomenal suffix as a direct object. However, in
		
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			the idiom of
		
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			the Quran, we should have expected to see
		
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			nekfuru bika.
		
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			Okay? The Quran always uses the preposition be
		
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			before the object of the verb kafarayakfuru.
		
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			Okay. In other words, this verb always takes
		
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			an indirect object.
		
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			Like I have some examples here.
		
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			Right?
		
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			I mean, there are hundreds of examples like
		
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			this every single time.
		
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			So, no, this is Dua'al Kunut. It is
		
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			the inspired speech of the prophet.
		
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			It is not the verbatim,
		
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			talaqi revealed speech of god.
		
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			If Sean Anthony's contention is correct and some
		
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			of the companions believed these words to be
		
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			Quranic
		
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			Suwar,
		
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			then the codex committee corrected their misunderstanding.
		
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			It it's very simple.
		
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			You know, it's ironic, you know, when when
		
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			Christian palamuses bring up this issue of the
		
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			so called missing surahs,
		
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			Paul says in 1st Corinthians
		
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			5:9,
		
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			he says something very interesting. He says, when
		
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			I I mean, most of what Paul says
		
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			is interesting. When I wrote to you before,
		
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			I told you not to associate with people
		
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			who indulge in sexual sin.
		
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			When I wrote to you before?
		
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			So Paul wrote an
		
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			epistle to Corinth before he wrote 1st Corinthians.
		
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			First Corinthians is actually 2nd Corinthians,
		
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			and 2nd Corinthians is actually 3rd Corinthians.
		
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			In other words, the new testament is missing
		
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			an entire book.
		
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			Perhaps Paul in real 1st Corinthians
		
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			said explicitly that Christ was an angel, or
		
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			that James was his mortal enemy. I mean,
		
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			we'll never know unless it's found, but then
		
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			will Christians be willing to amend their canon
		
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			and include it? I mean, if it's from
		
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			Paul, it it must have been inspired. Right?
		
01:40:48 --> 01:40:49
			Anyway, moving on here.
		
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			Now now before we talk about before we
		
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			talk about the synapalemcess,
		
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			I want to say a few things here.
		
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			I'm going to get a bit sort of
		
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			psychological,
		
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			on you. Now I I personally believe that
		
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			many of these
		
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			Christian apologists and polemicists who attack the Quran,
		
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			much of their vitriol,
		
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			I think, is due to the fact that
		
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			they,
		
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			somewhere in the back of their minds, they
		
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			recognize
		
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			the strength and accuracy of our narrative
		
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			when it comes to the Quran. And so
		
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			they're filled with envy and frustration because their
		
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			narrative
		
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			has been utterly deconstructed
		
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			by secular academics and historians. And the Quran
		
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			even intimates this. Right? The Quran says that,
		
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			many of the people in the book, they
		
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			wish to turn you away from faith out
		
01:41:37 --> 01:41:38
			of envy, Hasid and Indian
		
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			They wish to turn you away from the
		
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			truth and make you unbelievers out of envy
		
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			because the truth has been manifested
		
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			to them. So, this is called a guilt
		
01:41:50 --> 01:41:54
			complex. Right? So, they vainly accuse our narrative
		
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			of false
		
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			and attack our scripture because they know
		
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			that their own narrative and scripture is in
		
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			utter shambles.
		
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			The Christian polemicist attitude toward the Muslim is,
		
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			well, if my book is going down in
		
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			flames, I'm taking your book down, with it.
		
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			You see. They want us to sort of
		
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			commiserate with them. This is why many Christian
		
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			polemicists are probing into the history
		
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			of the pre Uthmanic Quran. This is their
		
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			obsession. What did the Quran look like before
		
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			Uthman?
		
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			In other words, what happened between the passing
		
01:42:23 --> 01:42:24
			of the prophet,
		
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			Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam and the standardization of the
		
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			Quran by the codex committee of Uthman
		
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			This is the key period, 632 to 6
		
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			50.
		
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			Now, if you ask any Christian at random,
		
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			where does Jesus, peace be upon him, claim
		
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			to be divine in the new testament,
		
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			invariably, they will quote the gospel of John.
		
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			Right?
		
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			Not really Matthew, Mark, or Luke, which all
		
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			predated John. They'll quote John 316 and John
		
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			858 and John 1030 and John 146.
		
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			The author of the gospel of John,
		
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			as I said, explicitly refers to Christ as
		
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			Theos, a divine being or a God in
		
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			John 1:3 and John 118. Thomas refers to
		
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			Jesus as my God,
		
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			in in John 20, 28.
		
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			Of course, the, the gospel of John became
		
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			the most theologically influential book in the entire
		
01:43:13 --> 01:43:14
			new testament.
		
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			Traditionally, Christians attributed the the authorship of the
		
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			gospel of John to John, the son of
		
01:43:18 --> 01:43:21
			Zebedee, a disciple of Jesus. However, as I
		
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			said,
		
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			most secular and confessional historians today say that
		
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			the gospel of John was written around 90,
		
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			possibly later, as I mentioned.
		
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			And so to maintain
		
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			apostolic
		
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			authorship of John is just becoming
		
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			untenable.
		
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			That means a simple Jewish fisherman from the
		
01:43:39 --> 01:43:42
			Galilee who saw Jesus and heard Jesus's Aramaic
		
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			teachings
		
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			waited until he was
		
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			90 years old to write his gospel. And
		
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			when he did, he wrote it in a
		
01:43:48 --> 01:43:49
			foreign language.
		
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			Here's the historical question that has effectively devastated
		
01:43:52 --> 01:43:55
			Christianity, I think. And I want people to
		
01:43:55 --> 01:43:58
			listen carefully. What did Christians believe about Jesus
		
01:43:58 --> 01:44:00
			before the gospel of John?
		
01:44:00 --> 01:44:03
			Now, I believe that Paul, writing in the
		
01:44:03 --> 01:44:03
			fifties,
		
01:44:04 --> 01:44:07
			believed that Jesus was a God, not the
		
01:44:07 --> 01:44:08
			God, but a God.
		
01:44:09 --> 01:44:11
			For Paul, Christ was the divine son of
		
01:44:11 --> 01:44:13
			God who died for our sins.
		
01:44:13 --> 01:44:16
			I also believe that the synoptics present Jesus
		
01:44:16 --> 01:44:18
			as being a god. However, this is very
		
01:44:18 --> 01:44:20
			much open to debate. One can make a
		
01:44:20 --> 01:44:22
			pretty good argument that Paul and the Synoptics
		
01:44:22 --> 01:44:25
			did not believe that Jesus Christ was divine
		
01:44:25 --> 01:44:26
			in any way. The Unitarians,
		
01:44:26 --> 01:44:28
			make an argument along those lines.
		
01:44:29 --> 01:44:31
			However, in John, I think it's very clear
		
01:44:31 --> 01:44:33
			that Jesus is a divine being
		
01:44:34 --> 01:44:35
			of some sort.
		
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			He's called theos explicitly. I think that Johann
		
01:44:37 --> 01:44:38
			and Jesus
		
01:44:38 --> 01:44:41
			himself is claiming some sort of divine status.
		
01:44:42 --> 01:44:43
			Not only this,
		
01:44:43 --> 01:44:45
			by referring to Jesus by the loaded term
		
01:44:45 --> 01:44:48
			logos who was in the beginning with God,
		
01:44:48 --> 01:44:49
			John has
		
01:44:50 --> 01:44:53
			explicitly tapped into this type of Hellenistic metaphysics,
		
01:44:53 --> 01:44:55
			and this would have
		
01:44:55 --> 01:44:58
			eventually crystallized into the full blown doctrine of
		
01:44:58 --> 01:45:00
			the trinity in the early 4th century. So
		
01:45:00 --> 01:45:02
			if not for the gospel of John, would
		
01:45:02 --> 01:45:04
			we have the Christian trinity? That's debatable.
		
01:45:05 --> 01:45:07
			But I think that everyone would agree that
		
01:45:07 --> 01:45:10
			the gospel of John was a highly, highly
		
01:45:10 --> 01:45:11
			theologically
		
01:45:11 --> 01:45:12
			influential document
		
01:45:13 --> 01:45:14
			in the Christian world when it
		
01:45:15 --> 01:45:17
			became popular. Okay. It was a game changer.
		
01:45:18 --> 01:45:20
			Yet today, most historians tell us that none
		
01:45:20 --> 01:45:22
			of the so called divine claims of the
		
01:45:22 --> 01:45:24
			Johannan Jesus should be trusted
		
01:45:24 --> 01:45:27
			as being traceable to the historical Jesus. These
		
01:45:27 --> 01:45:29
			statements of the Johannan Jesus, they're not early,
		
01:45:29 --> 01:45:31
			they're not multiply tested, they're not socially and
		
01:45:31 --> 01:45:32
			theologically coherent.
		
01:45:32 --> 01:45:35
			Also, if the historical Jesus truly made these
		
01:45:35 --> 01:45:38
			pronouncements, the I am statements, there is no
		
01:45:38 --> 01:45:39
			good reason why the Synoptics,
		
01:45:39 --> 01:45:42
			the Synoptic authors did not record them.
		
01:45:42 --> 01:45:44
			So now the Christian polemicist,
		
01:45:44 --> 01:45:45
			right,
		
01:45:45 --> 01:45:48
			battered and broken as it were, wants desperately
		
01:45:49 --> 01:45:51
			to say that the Uthmani codex,
		
01:45:51 --> 01:45:54
			like the gospel of John, was also a
		
01:45:54 --> 01:45:54
			highly
		
01:45:55 --> 01:45:56
			theologically
		
01:45:56 --> 01:46:00
			influential document when compared to the textual traditions
		
01:46:00 --> 01:46:03
			that preceded it. That the Uthmani codex
		
01:46:03 --> 01:46:05
			like John compared to the Synoptix
		
01:46:06 --> 01:46:09
			was markedly different in its content and style
		
01:46:09 --> 01:46:11
			when compared to the companion codices
		
01:46:12 --> 01:46:14
			that preceded it. That's the guild
		
01:46:15 --> 01:46:18
			complex. Right? Now let's look at the difference
		
01:46:18 --> 01:46:19
			here. Okay?
		
01:46:20 --> 01:46:21
			Let's look at the difference.
		
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			So what is the Uthmanite textual tradition?
		
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			Let's break it down a little bit more.
		
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			It is a collection of the dominant readings
		
01:46:29 --> 01:46:31
			of the Quran by the sahaba, Sahaba, the
		
01:46:31 --> 01:46:32
			companions
		
01:46:32 --> 01:46:34
			in Medina in 6 50.
		
01:46:35 --> 01:46:37
			When Uthman commissioned,
		
01:46:37 --> 01:46:40
			Zaid as director of the, codex committee, Zaid
		
01:46:40 --> 01:46:41
			commanded
		
01:46:41 --> 01:46:44
			that all Sahaba who had any personal Quranic
		
01:46:44 --> 01:46:46
			manuscripts, right, companion codices
		
01:46:47 --> 01:46:48
			in their homes to bring them to the
		
01:46:48 --> 01:46:49
			mosque.
		
01:46:50 --> 01:46:51
			Now we know again that the that the
		
01:46:51 --> 01:46:54
			prophet had appointed scribes to write down the
		
01:46:56 --> 01:46:56
			Quran.
		
01:46:57 --> 01:46:58
			According to Muslim sources,
		
01:46:59 --> 01:47:01
			for every portion of the Quran presented,
		
01:47:01 --> 01:47:04
			Zayd demanded 2 witnesses. What does 2 witnesses
		
01:47:04 --> 01:47:06
			mean? So ibn Hajir says,
		
01:47:12 --> 01:47:14
			He says, 2 witnesses who testify
		
01:47:15 --> 01:47:17
			that the verse or literally that which literally
		
01:47:17 --> 01:47:20
			that which was written was written verbatim in
		
01:47:20 --> 01:47:22
			the presence of the prophet. In other words,
		
01:47:22 --> 01:47:24
			2 men who saw it written in the
		
01:47:24 --> 01:47:28
			presence of the prophet. So Al Adami clarifies,
		
01:47:28 --> 01:47:30
			2 men who saw it written under the
		
01:47:30 --> 01:47:31
			prophet's supervision.
		
01:47:32 --> 01:47:34
			2 of the official scribes, really.
		
01:47:35 --> 01:47:37
			And this was based upon the verse in
		
01:47:37 --> 01:47:38
			the Quran that states that whenever we enter
		
01:47:38 --> 01:47:40
			into a contract, let 2 witnesses from your
		
01:47:40 --> 01:47:41
			men,
		
01:47:41 --> 01:47:43
			bear witness. Right?
		
01:47:47 --> 01:47:49
			These men must witness the actual writing of
		
01:47:49 --> 01:47:52
			the contract. Okay? So so we can imagine
		
01:47:53 --> 01:47:54
			that there were many, many manuscripts
		
01:47:55 --> 01:47:58
			submitted by different companions that contained the same
		
01:47:58 --> 01:48:00
			verses. Right? So a lot of duplicates. We
		
01:48:00 --> 01:48:02
			can also imagine that due to the Quran
		
01:48:02 --> 01:48:04
			being revealed in 7 Akrof, that there were
		
01:48:04 --> 01:48:06
			some variations of the same verses in the
		
01:48:06 --> 01:48:08
			manuscripts of different companions.
		
01:48:09 --> 01:48:11
			Two witnesses does not mean that only 2
		
01:48:11 --> 01:48:12
			men were reciting those verses
		
01:48:13 --> 01:48:14
			or that only 2 men remember
		
01:48:15 --> 01:48:17
			hearing the prophet recite those verses. No, it
		
01:48:17 --> 01:48:20
			meant that 2 men distinctly remember when those
		
01:48:20 --> 01:48:22
			verses were ordered by the prophet himself to
		
01:48:22 --> 01:48:23
			be transcribed
		
01:48:23 --> 01:48:24
			officially.
		
01:48:25 --> 01:48:27
			Those verses could have been recited by thousands
		
01:48:27 --> 01:48:28
			of companions,
		
01:48:28 --> 01:48:31
			hundreds of whom heard the prophet himself recite
		
01:48:31 --> 01:48:34
			them. Now, what did Uthman why did Uthman
		
01:48:34 --> 01:48:37
			choose Zayd ibn Thabit to head the committee?
		
01:48:37 --> 01:48:40
			The answer is So in addition to being
		
01:48:40 --> 01:48:42
			the prophet's close companion as well as his
		
01:48:42 --> 01:48:42
			neighbor,
		
01:48:43 --> 01:48:46
			Zayd was also the chief scribe of the
		
01:48:46 --> 01:48:46
			prophet.
		
01:48:47 --> 01:48:49
			He was also a Hafid of the Quran.
		
01:48:49 --> 01:48:52
			Nobody from the companions knew the Quran better
		
01:48:52 --> 01:48:54
			than Zaid and Noufabbath.
		
01:48:54 --> 01:48:56
			Okay? All of the men serving on the
		
01:48:56 --> 01:48:59
			codex committee were hafaa. They had memorized the
		
01:48:59 --> 01:49:00
			Quran. They were Quran masters.
		
01:49:01 --> 01:49:03
			Whenever a manuscript was witnessed for
		
01:49:04 --> 01:49:06
			by 2 men, the committee then checked it
		
01:49:06 --> 01:49:08
			against other manuscripts
		
01:49:08 --> 01:49:09
			and then against their memories
		
01:49:10 --> 01:49:12
			and the memories of the well known Harfath
		
01:49:12 --> 01:49:13
			of the Quran.
		
01:49:13 --> 01:49:15
			And those readings that were
		
01:49:15 --> 01:49:17
			deemed to be the most widely recited among
		
01:49:17 --> 01:49:18
			the hafad,
		
01:49:19 --> 01:49:21
			the Quran masters among the companions, as well
		
01:49:21 --> 01:49:23
			as among the generality of the other companions,
		
01:49:23 --> 01:49:25
			those readings were officially transcribed
		
01:49:26 --> 01:49:28
			in the master of money codex.
		
01:49:28 --> 01:49:31
			So written and recited materials were collated against
		
01:49:31 --> 01:49:32
			each other
		
01:49:32 --> 01:49:35
			to determine the most dominant reading.
		
01:49:36 --> 01:49:38
			Now, why did Zaid do all of this?
		
01:49:38 --> 01:49:40
			Why the 2 witnesses? Why not just write
		
01:49:40 --> 01:49:40
			down
		
01:49:41 --> 01:49:43
			what the committee was reciting? Why look at
		
01:49:43 --> 01:49:44
			the manuscripts?
		
01:49:44 --> 01:49:46
			Well, the answer is Zaid and the committee
		
01:49:46 --> 01:49:49
			wanted to reconcile the written Quran with the
		
01:49:49 --> 01:49:51
			recited Quran. You wanted to make doubly sure
		
01:49:51 --> 01:49:54
			that nothing was left unaccounted for. Perhaps there
		
01:49:54 --> 01:49:54
			were,
		
01:49:55 --> 01:49:57
			perhaps the reverse is written down that were
		
01:49:57 --> 01:49:59
			not being recited. If so, why?
		
01:49:59 --> 01:50:01
			Perhaps there were verses being recited
		
01:50:02 --> 01:50:05
			that were not written down. If so, why?
		
01:50:05 --> 01:50:08
			He wanted to ensure total agreement and accuracy.
		
01:50:08 --> 01:50:11
			So Zaid, he said, I gathered the Quran
		
01:50:11 --> 01:50:13
			from various manuscripts and from the chests of
		
01:50:13 --> 01:50:14
			men.
		
01:50:16 --> 01:50:18
			Right? So let's say for instance, that a
		
01:50:18 --> 01:50:20
			manuscript or 2 was presented that contained the
		
01:50:20 --> 01:50:23
			Dua and Kunut. Right? The the 2 so
		
01:50:23 --> 01:50:23
			called Suras
		
01:50:24 --> 01:50:26
			that were found in the Musaf of Ubayy
		
01:50:26 --> 01:50:26
			ibnqa'ah.
		
01:50:27 --> 01:50:29
			Why were these verses not transcribed in the
		
01:50:29 --> 01:50:31
			master codex by the committee?
		
01:50:31 --> 01:50:34
			Were they somehow theologically offensive? No. We covered
		
01:50:34 --> 01:50:35
			that.
		
01:50:35 --> 01:50:38
			Perhaps these verses lacked a single witness
		
01:50:38 --> 01:50:40
			among the scribes. In other words, they could
		
01:50:40 --> 01:50:43
			not verify that the prophet himself considered these
		
01:50:43 --> 01:50:44
			verses to be the Quran.
		
01:50:45 --> 01:50:48
			Perhaps these verses were not widely recited as
		
01:50:48 --> 01:50:49
			being surahs of the Quran.
		
01:50:50 --> 01:50:52
			In the end, the committee deemed that these
		
01:50:52 --> 01:50:55
			verses constituted a prophetic supplication,
		
01:50:56 --> 01:50:58
			not Quranic ayat, and that the companions who
		
01:50:58 --> 01:51:01
			considered them to be Surahs were simply wrong.
		
01:51:01 --> 01:51:03
			The committee did their due diligence.
		
01:51:03 --> 01:51:05
			Okay? They could not have done a better
		
01:51:05 --> 01:51:06
			job.
		
01:51:06 --> 01:51:08
			Now, according to Muslim sources,
		
01:51:08 --> 01:51:10
			the last two verses of Surah
		
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			At Tawba,
		
01:51:13 --> 01:51:15
			okay, had only one witness. His name
		
01:51:15 --> 01:51:17
			was Abu Hoseim Al Ansari. Again,
		
01:51:19 --> 01:51:21
			this does not mean that only one man
		
01:51:21 --> 01:51:23
			was reciting these verses or that only 1
		
01:51:23 --> 01:51:25
			man heard the prophet recite these verses.
		
01:51:25 --> 01:51:27
			It meant that one man remembered when these
		
01:51:27 --> 01:51:30
			verses were transcribed by order of the prophet.
		
01:51:30 --> 01:51:33
			Now Zaid and the committee, they went ahead
		
01:51:33 --> 01:51:36
			and wrote down these verses in the master
		
01:51:36 --> 01:51:38
			codex, despite having only one witness,
		
01:51:38 --> 01:51:41
			precisely because these verses were so widely recited
		
01:51:42 --> 01:51:44
			among many, many Sahaba. There was really no
		
01:51:44 --> 01:51:46
			doubt about them. Okay. So, the rule of
		
01:51:46 --> 01:51:49
			2 was important. The rule of 2 witnesses,
		
01:51:49 --> 01:51:50
			it was important to the committee, but it
		
01:51:50 --> 01:51:53
			was still secondary to what the committee regarded
		
01:51:53 --> 01:51:56
			as being widely recited or mass transmitted
		
01:51:57 --> 01:51:58
			in recitation. Okay?
		
01:51:59 --> 01:51:59
			For the companions,
		
01:52:00 --> 01:52:01
			the earliest Muslims,
		
01:52:01 --> 01:52:03
			the written word was important, but it took
		
01:52:03 --> 01:52:06
			a back seat to what was widespread
		
01:52:07 --> 01:52:07
			in recitation.
		
01:52:08 --> 01:52:10
			The companions prior to the committee did not
		
01:52:10 --> 01:52:14
			consider their personal manuscripts to be official and
		
01:52:14 --> 01:52:14
			complete
		
01:52:15 --> 01:52:15
			codices.
		
01:52:16 --> 01:52:18
			That's very, very important. Okay. Now,
		
01:52:19 --> 01:52:20
			many modern
		
01:52:20 --> 01:52:21
			anti Quran polemicists,
		
01:52:22 --> 01:52:24
			they enjoy raising doubts and suspicions, even the
		
01:52:24 --> 01:52:27
			shubu hat, about the actions of the codex
		
01:52:27 --> 01:52:30
			committee under Uthman. Right? Their claim is basically
		
01:52:30 --> 01:52:33
			that the Uthmani textual tradition, right? The Quran
		
01:52:33 --> 01:52:35
			we recite today is not what the prophet
		
01:52:36 --> 01:52:37
			used to recite,
		
01:52:37 --> 01:52:39
			that the Uthmani text is somehow incorrect or
		
01:52:39 --> 01:52:42
			corrupted. And they will appeal to 2 things
		
01:52:42 --> 01:52:43
			to support their position.
		
01:52:44 --> 01:52:46
			Okay. Number 1, they will appeal to the
		
01:52:46 --> 01:52:49
			radical claims of some extreme elements
		
01:52:50 --> 01:52:52
			of the leaders of the Rafidah, right? The
		
01:52:52 --> 01:52:52
			Shia
		
01:52:53 --> 01:52:55
			who claim that Uthman's committee
		
01:52:55 --> 01:52:57
			corrupted the Quran.
		
01:52:57 --> 01:52:59
			That's number 1. Number 2, they will appeal
		
01:52:59 --> 01:53:01
			to the fact that many of the readings
		
01:53:01 --> 01:53:03
			of the Quran recorded in the various companion
		
01:53:03 --> 01:53:04
			codices
		
01:53:05 --> 01:53:07
			differed from the standard of Mani codex. Okay.
		
01:53:07 --> 01:53:09
			So let's look at the the first so
		
01:53:09 --> 01:53:10
			called piece of evidence.
		
01:53:11 --> 01:53:13
			Now it is true that there have been
		
01:53:13 --> 01:53:15
			a few Shiite scholar
		
01:53:16 --> 01:53:18
			who claimed that Buffman's committee manipulated,
		
01:53:19 --> 01:53:21
			at least a couple of verses in the
		
01:53:21 --> 01:53:24
			Quran that praise the Ahlulbayt, the prophet's family.
		
01:53:26 --> 01:53:27
			In other words, the committee,
		
01:53:27 --> 01:53:29
			did what the Quran
		
01:53:29 --> 01:53:32
			says, that certain Jews did with with the
		
01:53:32 --> 01:53:33
			Hebrew bible. Right?
		
01:53:36 --> 01:53:38
			Which literally means they they shifted words from
		
01:53:38 --> 01:53:39
			the proper context.
		
01:53:40 --> 01:53:40
			They decontextualize
		
01:53:41 --> 01:53:43
			the text, which is a form of textual
		
01:53:43 --> 01:53:43
			corruption.
		
01:53:44 --> 01:53:47
			The Shiites identify these verses as Ayatul,
		
01:53:47 --> 01:53:50
			Ayatul Khadir, they say, and Ayatul Tathir, which
		
01:53:50 --> 01:53:53
			appear in verses in in Suras 5 and
		
01:53:53 --> 01:53:53
			33
		
01:53:54 --> 01:53:55
			of the Uthmanic Quran
		
01:53:56 --> 01:53:58
			respectively. Their claim is that there are statements
		
01:53:58 --> 01:54:01
			in these verses which really belong in other
		
01:54:01 --> 01:54:01
			Surah.
		
01:54:02 --> 01:54:03
			Right? And that by placing them
		
01:54:04 --> 01:54:07
			in these present Surah, Surah 5 33, the
		
01:54:07 --> 01:54:09
			Uthmanic committee altered their true meanings
		
01:54:10 --> 01:54:11
			and their true, context.
		
01:54:13 --> 01:54:15
			Now when these anti Muslim
		
01:54:16 --> 01:54:17
			atheists and Christian polemicists,
		
01:54:17 --> 01:54:18
			whoops.
		
01:54:19 --> 01:54:20
			Sorry about that.
		
01:54:21 --> 01:54:23
			When when they hear stuff like this, right,
		
01:54:24 --> 01:54:26
			they jump all over it. Right? It's it's
		
01:54:26 --> 01:54:29
			music to their ears. You see, they say,
		
01:54:29 --> 01:54:31
			even other Muslims are saying that the Omani
		
01:54:31 --> 01:54:32
			Codex
		
01:54:32 --> 01:54:33
			is corrupted and unreliable.
		
01:54:34 --> 01:54:35
			You know, Wansbur
		
01:54:36 --> 01:54:38
			pointed out that the Muslims went from an
		
01:54:38 --> 01:54:39
			interfaith accusation
		
01:54:39 --> 01:54:41
			of scriptural alteration to an intrafaith
		
01:54:42 --> 01:54:42
			accusation
		
01:54:43 --> 01:54:45
			of scriptural alteration. So here here's my twofold,
		
01:54:45 --> 01:54:46
			response,
		
01:54:47 --> 01:54:48
			to this. Number 1,
		
01:54:49 --> 01:54:50
			the vast majority of Shia
		
01:54:51 --> 01:54:54
			scholars do not make this claim. Okay. This
		
01:54:54 --> 01:54:55
			claim actually clashes
		
01:54:56 --> 01:54:58
			with clear cut texts within
		
01:54:59 --> 01:54:59
			the
		
01:55:00 --> 01:55:00
			Quran.
		
01:55:01 --> 01:55:01
			Right?
		
01:55:02 --> 01:55:04
			That verily we sent down this reminder, the
		
01:55:04 --> 01:55:07
			Quran, verily we are its guardians. I mean,
		
01:55:07 --> 01:55:08
			one would have to interpret this
		
01:55:09 --> 01:55:12
			verse in very strange and highly cryptic ways
		
01:55:12 --> 01:55:13
			in order to maintain
		
01:55:13 --> 01:55:15
			one's claim that the Quran
		
01:55:16 --> 01:55:18
			has been corrupted. Right? Based upon the clear,
		
01:55:18 --> 01:55:20
			plain, and apparent meaning of this verse, the
		
01:55:20 --> 01:55:23
			Quran is preserved, and to say otherwise is
		
01:55:23 --> 01:55:25
			zandaka, is heresy clearly.
		
01:55:26 --> 01:55:29
			So this is a fringe opinion among a
		
01:55:29 --> 01:55:33
			few Shiite exegetes that the overwhelming majority do
		
01:55:33 --> 01:55:33
			not endorse.
		
01:55:34 --> 01:55:37
			Okay. Number 2, historically and logically,
		
01:55:37 --> 01:55:38
			this claim,
		
01:55:38 --> 01:55:40
			totally implodes into
		
01:55:40 --> 01:55:41
			an oblivion.
		
01:55:41 --> 01:55:43
			Let me show you how. So let's think
		
01:55:43 --> 01:55:46
			about this again. If the codex committee of
		
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			Uthman manipulated or changed or corrupted verses
		
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			of the Quran that praised Ahlul Bayt,
		
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			then surely this would have run afoul of
		
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			Sayna Ali ibn Abi Fad,
		
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			right?
		
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			Was Ali secretly reciting the uncorrupted
		
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			form of these verses
		
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			in his home with Imam Hassan
		
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			and Imam Hussein?
		
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			If certain Shi'ites should answer this question with
		
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			a yes,
		
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			then when Ali became caliph and
		
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			moved the capital to Kufa, why didn't he
		
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			call for another codex committee
		
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			to correct the mushaf? I mean, he could
		
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			have done that. He became Khalifa tul Muslimee.
		
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			He was Amir Umminin,
		
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			right? Why didn't he form a second committee
		
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			to restore these verses and correct the Uthmani
		
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			codex? What did Adi actually do? Well, he
		
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			led the prayers in Kufa every day by
		
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			reciting the Uthmani textual tradition.
		
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			Okay. He recited exactly what was presented to
		
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			the Kufans
		
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			5 years earlier by Abdul Rahman al Sulami,
		
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			the qari who brought the codex
		
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			into Kufa from Medina.
		
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			So my question for the few Shiite leaders
		
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			who continue to claim
		
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			that the Uthmani Codex is corrupted is this,
		
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			do you really believe that Ali was reciting
		
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			in prayer what he believed to be a
		
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			corrupted Quran?
		
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			Every answer to this question is going to
		
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			be problematic.
		
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			So the claim that the committee corrupted the
		
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			Quran because they wanted to disparage
		
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			and delegitimize
		
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			the family of the prophet is just is
		
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			absolute garbage. Now the second piece of evidence
		
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			that these anti Quran polemicists will use,
		
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			in order to throw suspicion upon the codex
		
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			committee is the fact that some of the
		
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			readings in the companion codices
		
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			differed from the Uthmani codex. And we talked
		
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			about this, but now I want to specifically
		
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			talk about the San'a Palimpsest.
		
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			Okay. I think we've arrived now. Finally got
		
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			here. Finally got to this. Finally got here.
		
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			Yes. Building up and here we are.
		
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			It's all downhill from here. So so we
		
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			talked about Ibn Mas'ud and Ibn Ka'b. Right?
		
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			Now the lower text of the Yemeni palimpsest
		
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			is is another example.
		
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			According to the most authoritative
		
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			academic study done on the palimpsest, which was
		
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			by Sadri and Budarzi,
		
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			the lower text of the Yemeni palimpsest was
		
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			most likely a companion codex.
		
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			Okay. Sadri calls it C1 as we said,
		
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			the codex of an unknown companion. It's the
		
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			only manuscript of the Quran ever discovered that
		
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			is not part of the Uthmani
		
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			textual tradition or the Uthmani textual stemma or
		
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			family.
		
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			C one is about 41% of the Quran.
		
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			It was most likely, written between 617 and
		
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			647
		
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			of the common era, obviously, before the codex
		
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			committee.
		
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			Now, I've already explained why there are some
		
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			differences among the companion textual traditions. Right? According
		
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			to our
		
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			traditional sources, there are four possible reasons, a
		
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			different spelling conventions,
		
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			variance due to the revealed Ahrof where the
		
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			Rasm is different, possible scribal errors,
		
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			possible exegetical glosses or notes made by companions.
		
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			The lower text of c one is is
		
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			no different just as our tradition perfectly explains
		
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			the variance and the text
		
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			traditional traditions of imasurud and Ubayi nukab,
		
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			it also perfectly explains the variance in the
		
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			textual tradition of c one. So at the
		
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			end of the day, c one
		
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			is what one of my colleagues refer to
		
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			as a big nothing burger.
		
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			Right? The the discovery of c one A
		
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			big nothing
		
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			burger, did you say?
		
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			Burger. Yeah. A big I don't know if
		
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			you have that express No. I It's something
		
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			that's hyped
		
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			up. Something that's hyped up but turns out
		
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			to be nothing. Okay. This
		
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			expression. We don't have that we don't we
		
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			don't have that in England, that expression. Anyway,
		
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			that's okay.
		
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			It's gonna make its way over there now.
		
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			Thanks,
		
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			Transmission route is very clear. We know we
		
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			know who to blame if it does come
		
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			over here. But, anyway yeah. Exactly.
		
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			Yeah. The discovery of c one actually supports
		
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			the Muslim narrative. Right?
		
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			So so anti Muslim polemicists,
		
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			they want it so bad
		
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			to find
		
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			additional verses,
		
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			additional surahs,
		
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			or highly
		
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			logically significant material in C1 when compared to
		
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			the Uthmani textual tradition, there was nothing significant.
		
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			They wanted the differences between the companion codices
		
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			and the Uthmani text to be as great
		
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			as the differences between the synoptic gospels and
		
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			the gospel of John. They wanted to find
		
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			something equivalent to
		
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			the pericope adulterite
		
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			or the Johann and coma or the longer
		
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			ending of Mark.
		
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			They were disappointed.
		
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			Okay?
		
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			Now there's there's an outstanding short video, actually,
		
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			I recommend on YouTube that explains the nature
		
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			of the differences found in the palimpsest. It's
		
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			called,
		
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			what do these San'a what do these San'a
		
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			manuscripts tell us about the Quran by Al
		
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			Muqaddima.
		
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			So I recommend that. I'll quickly summarize the
		
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			major findings.
		
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			Okay. There are 35 minuteor textual differences between
		
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			c one and the Uthmanic text or instead
		
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			of a wa it says fa, instead of
		
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			lan it says la
		
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			or a definite article is missing from a
		
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			word. Okay. These are all differences in prepositions,
		
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			particles, and and definite articles.
		
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			There are also another 25 or so textual
		
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			differences in nouns and verbs.
		
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			18 of the 25,
		
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			are with similar sounding words.
		
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			18 of the 25. So these are easily
		
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			explained away as human error.
		
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			Right? Sometimes a word in C1
		
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			is missing when compared to Uthman. This is
		
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			again most likely human error. People were more
		
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			much more likely to leave a word out
		
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			when when writing from memory than add a
		
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			word. There are a few instances, however, where
		
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			C1 has an extra word when compared to
		
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			Uthman,
		
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			but these can be explained away as textual
		
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			assimilation, okay, which is another form of human
		
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			error. But for example, in the Uthmani tradition,
		
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			chapter 2 verse 193, Suratul Baqarah verse 193
		
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			says, Wayakunu Dinu Lillah.
		
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			Wayakunodinu
		
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			lila.
		
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			C1, the same verse reads Wayakunadinukuluhulila.
		
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			Kuluhu. So, C1 has an
		
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			Right? Where did C1 get this word from?
		
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			Well, it's very likely that the scribe confused
		
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			2193
		
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			with chapter 8 verse 39 because 839
		
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			sounds a lot like 2193.
		
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			And 839
		
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			does in fact read, Wayakuna
		
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			dinu kulu hulilla.
		
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			Okay? So this is called textual assimilation of
		
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			parallel verses. Textual assimilation
		
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			of parallel verses. It's very common. Mean, I
		
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			do this all the time when I'm memorizing.
		
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			At least when I'm trying to memorize
		
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			the Quran, I confuse similar sounding verses. But
		
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			only these phenomena you're talking about are very
		
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			well researched and documented in the biblical manuscript
		
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			traditions. And all of these are understood and
		
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			made allowances for, and no two manuscripts are
		
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			absolutely identical because they're all written by hand.
		
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			So this is well a well developed and
		
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			understood science in a way in biblical manuscript,
		
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			traditional textual criticism.
		
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			So we should really allow,
		
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			some leeway in in in the the thematic
		
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			and other textual traditions in the of the
		
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			Quran, because we're dealing with human beings who
		
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			are talking manuscripts
		
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			it's the same process it's you fallible humans
		
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			so we would expect I would think we
		
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			would expect to see precisely the kind of
		
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			phenomena which you have detailed. If we didn't
		
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			see it, we there'll be a I would
		
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			think it'd be a problem, the problem because
		
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			how could it be so different so this
		
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			is precisely what we should and do in
		
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			fact see and as you say, is to
		
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			do with you know, misremembering or actually thinking
		
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			of another verse when, and and that's inserted
		
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			instead. All this is well recognized in the
		
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			biblical tradition, so we should make that, allowance,
		
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			I think, for the Quranic manuscript tradition, if
		
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			we're gonna be fair and balanced on this.
		
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			Yeah. Exactly. But, you know, they say when
		
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			you get older, 4 things happen
		
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			to you. Right? Number 1, your memory weakens,
		
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			and I don't remember the other 3.
		
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			Oh, very witty.
		
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			Yes. Yeah. So so almost all of these
		
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			additions in c one can be explained by
		
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			textual assimilation of parallel verses. Yeah. There are
		
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			more instances where the Uthmani text has additional
		
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			words that are not in c one. Now
		
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			this is interesting. According to Sadhli and Bergman,
		
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			they have a paper called, an academic paper
		
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			called the codex of a companion of the
		
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			prophet and the Quran of the prophet. They
		
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			say this means that the Uthmani tradition is
		
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			closer to the prophetic archetype
		
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			than C1 or Ibn Mas'ud.
		
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			Okay? Now, from our perspective as Muslims,
		
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			we have no problem saying that it is
		
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			possible that many of these differences
		
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			between c one and the Uthmani codex are
		
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			due to the revealed 7 Ahroof. In other
		
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			words, it's possible that 2 193 was also
		
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			revealed as,
		
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			and that the Uthmani committee, you know, stabilized
		
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			the
		
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			based upon the most prevalent reading.
		
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			With with this verse specifically, however, it just
		
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			seems like a scribal error. Right? So so
		
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			so here's the conclusion of of Sadat and
		
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			and Yuy Bergman about the Yemeni palimpsests, and
		
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			I'll end this section,
		
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			with this quote.
		
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			They say,
		
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			in any case, textual criticism suggests
		
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			the standard version. What do they mean by
		
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			standard version? They mean the Uthmani textual tradition.
		
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			The standard version is the most faithful representation
		
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			among the known codices
		
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			of the Quran as recited by the prophet.
		
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			This appears at first as a curious coincidence,
		
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			but on second thought, it is not surprising.
		
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			If anyone had the resources to ensure that
		
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			a reliable version be chosen, it would have
		
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			been the caliph.
		
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			And if anyone had more to lose by
		
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			botching up the task, again, it would have
		
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			been Uthman, whose political legitimacy and efficacy as
		
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			caliph dependent completely
		
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			on the goodwill of fellow distinguished associates of
		
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			the prophet. The remarkable few and minor skeletal
		
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			morphemic
		
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			differences among the codices with Monsanto the cities
		
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			is another indication of the care that was
		
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			put into the process of standardization.
		
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			And, I'll talk about those minor skeletal morphemic
		
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			differences in a minute here.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			Okay. Now,
		
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			at this point, I wanna talk about
		
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			how we go from the Uthmani
		
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			Masahif
		
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			to the 10 authorized Qira'at. In other words,
		
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			how do we go from the Uthmanite textual
		
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			tradition
		
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			to the canonical reading traditions?
		
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			Okay. So the caliph Uthman,
		
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			Radhulahu
		
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			Anhu, he sent 4, 5,
		
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			7, up to 11 copies of the Medina
		
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			master codex to these amsar, these major Muslim
		
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			metropolitan
		
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			areas. There are various reports. According to Suyuti,
		
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			the most popular report states that he made
		
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			5 copies
		
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			of the master codex
		
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			and sent them to Mecca, Basar al Kufa,
		
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			Damascus,
		
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			and another one in Medina.
		
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			However, these codices were obviously unvouled.
		
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			Right?
		
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			So, the diacritical system had not yet been
		
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			invented. So, Abu Aswadaduwali
		
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			would develop an early form of them a
		
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			bit later.
		
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			But these codices were also dotless
		
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			and dots were used by the Arabs at
		
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			the time. So, why didn't Usman
		
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			dot his codices?
		
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			Well, the answer is very simple. By leaving
		
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			the rusum,
		
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			right, the continental skeletons of these codices undotted,
		
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			Uthman allowed for the akhruf to be accommodated
		
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			by reciters.
		
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			So reciters in these amsar could plug into
		
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			the text
		
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			the divinely revealed akhruf, the recitational variances given
		
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			to the prophet.
		
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			And definitively
		
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			dotting the text would have severely limited their
		
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			abilities
		
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			to do this. Again, the text of the
		
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			Quran had always been multiformic,
		
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			not uniformic
		
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			since the time of the prophet. And so,
		
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			if man wanted
		
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			that key
		
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			stabilized the text once and for all, and
		
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			that's true. But
		
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			how would all of the Ahruf in their
		
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			totality
		
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			be accommodated by the Uthmani codices, hence the
		
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			Uthmani
		
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			textual tradition? Well, the
		
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			most coherent answer is that they were not
		
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			all accommodated in their totality.
		
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			So it is not the opinion of our
		
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			classical scholars
		
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			that the totality
		
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			of the
		
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			akhir must be preserved and recited in order
		
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			for the Quran to be preserved. As long
		
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			as at least 1 harf is presented of
		
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			any given verse, then the Quran is preserved.
		
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			Okay? This is Imam Al Jazari,
		
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			Ibn Hajj al Askalani,
		
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			Makki ibn Abi Talib. Not all the akhruf
		
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			in their totality
		
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			are contained
		
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			within the Uthmani textual tradition. That is not
		
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			necessary.
		
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			Remember, the Ahruf were given as a concession,
		
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			a Ruksa. Right? And so, one may abandon
		
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			a concession. So
		
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			this is why, for example,
		
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			all of the Uthmanic codices read Ihin, right,
		
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			in Sura 101 verse 5.
		
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			And not suf al manfush as we said.
		
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			If suf was revealed as a haraf, it
		
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			did not, it did not need to be
		
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			accommodated.
		
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			And having rusum that were at odds
		
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			would have caused more turmoil among the provinces.
		
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			We talked about that. So the committee chose
		
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			Ihmin al Manfush because that was the more
		
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			popular reading, the more
		
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			widespread rendition of the prophetic archetype.
		
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			And so, that's what they wrote in all
		
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			of the regional codices. But even with this
		
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			said, okay, even with this said, Uthman did
		
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			allow for a slight variance
		
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			in the rusum of his codices
		
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			when it came to some particular
		
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			variations,
		
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			prepositions and particles,
		
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			but not
		
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			words or phrases. So according to, Abu Urbeid,
		
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			Ibous Salam, with month 6 codices, we're in
		
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			99.999
		
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			percent agreement
		
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			in the Rusum.
		
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			There was a difference of 43 characters
		
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			out of almost
		
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			374,000
		
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			characters, and this was intentional.
		
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			So the committee did accommodate for a few
		
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			of the well attested
		
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			particular variations
		
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			that very slightly altered the Rusum.
		
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			Okay. The the the continental skeleton. For example,
		
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			in the Meccan codex, in the codex sent
		
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			to Mecca, okay, there is an there is
		
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			an additional preposition min in verse 100 of
		
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			the 9th Surah.
		
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			Okay. That does not appear into other codices.
		
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			So that is 2 characters, a mem and
		
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			a nun.
		
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			Alright. There are a few more of these
		
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			totaling 43 characters across 6 codices.
		
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			So again, these were intentional. They were accommodating
		
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			various authorized readings.
		
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			But here's another question.
		
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			How did the reciters living in these AMSAR,
		
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			living in these
		
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			regional provinces, how did they know how to
		
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			plug the across into the rassel?
		
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			How did they know how to read
		
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			an unvoweled, undotted text? Was it all just
		
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			guesswork?
		
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			Now classical orientalists like Gold Zeyer and Arthur
		
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			Jeffery,
		
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			they they used to claim that indeed reciters
		
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			were at total liberty
		
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			to vowel and dot the text however they
		
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			wanted. As long as the text made some
		
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			sort of sense to them, it was all
		
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			good.
		
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			And this is why different reading traditions
		
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			eventually developed according to these orientalists.
		
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			And today, some, you know, neo orientalists and
		
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			Christian polemicists still still say this.
		
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			This claim is demonstrably
		
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			false, and and I'll show you why here
		
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			in a minute here. But first, what else
		
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			do our sources
		
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			say about what Uthman did? So Uthman, mashaAllah,
		
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			did an incredible service for this religion. He
		
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			did not simply send these codices
		
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			to these cities without guidance.
		
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			With He sent with each codex a master
		
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			Qari,
		
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			a trained reciter of the Quran, who was
		
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			either a companion of the prophet or a
		
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			student of a companion
		
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			who had mastered how to read his respective
		
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			codex
		
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			upon all of its possible and authentically transmitted.
		
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			So for example, he sent Al Muhirah ibn
		
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			Shihab,
		
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			to Syria,
		
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			with the damascene codex.
		
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			He sent Abdul Abdul Salami to Kufa with
		
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			the Kufin codex, etcetera.
		
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			So it was these committee appointed Quran
		
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			who taught the regional Quran, the regional reciters,
		
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			how to read the codices. And I'll demonstrate
		
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			this, in in in a minute. Imam al
		
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			Sayyuti quoted Zayd ibn Thabit, who said, al
		
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			qira'a sunnah. Right? Recitation
		
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			is sunnah, I e, it is from the
		
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			prophet.
		
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			All of this was talati. The recitation of
		
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			the Quran was passed down verbatim,
		
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			from teacher to student,
		
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			teacher to student, okay,
		
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			until it reached us. Okay. So how does
		
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			this work? So so imagine,
		
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			Abdul Rahman al Sunami arrives in Kufa with
		
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			his codex.
		
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			He arrives from Medina sent by Uthman.
		
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			Ibn Mas'ud's textual tradition,
		
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			right, was already popular in Kufa when al
		
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			Sunami arrived.
		
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			However, many of the readings
		
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			of ibn Mas'ud were either abrogated by the
		
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			prophet during his final mu'a'a with Gabriel,
		
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			or they were abandoned by the committee because
		
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			they were not strongly backed by the majority
		
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			of the companions in Medina, and Uthman wanted
		
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			to stabilize the text.
		
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			However, by and large, the Uthmani textual tradition
		
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			and the textual tradition of Ibn Mas'ud were
		
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			in total agreement, as we said. In fact,
		
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			as as we said, the the Uthmani textual
		
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			tradition was based upon
		
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			the strongest
		
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			readings of the companions, including many of the
		
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			readings of the Ibn Mas'ud. This is why
		
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			Abdullah ibn Mas'ud is mentioned in the Isnaad
		
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			of Hafs and Asan along with other Sahaba.
		
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			Right?
		
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			So the Isnaad begins
		
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			with the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam and then
		
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			Ali ibn Abi Talib and Abdullah ibn Mas'ud
		
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			and Ubay ibn
		
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			Nukah, and Zayd ibn Nusabit, and others, but
		
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			these are the most imminent. Then Abdulrahman al
		
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			Sulami, the master party who brought the Kufin
		
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			codex from Medina.
		
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			Then his most prominent student, Assim, ibn Abi
		
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			Najood.
		
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			Then one of his most prominent students, Hafs
		
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			ugne ibn Sulayman.
		
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			Okay?
		
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			So here's another question,
		
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			though. How did how did Assam vowel and
		
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			dot his his regional codex?
		
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			You know? Did he have, you know, absolute
		
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			free reign
		
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			to vowel and dot whatever he wanted,
		
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			as long as the,
		
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			text made sense?
		
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			Or did he have no choice whatsoever?
		
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			The answer is in the middle. So he
		
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			had what's known as.
		
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			He had the ability to choose, but only
		
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			from a,
		
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			from among a fixed number of variants
		
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			that all had origin in the prophetic archetype.
		
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			Okay. So variants that were taught to him
		
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			by his teacher,
		
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			Abdulrahman al Sulami, who mastered
		
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			with money, textual tradition with all of its
		
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			possible akhov. Variants that had strong and connected
		
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			chains of transmission.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			So reciters
		
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			were obligated to fulfill 3 conditions
		
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			when they chose their readings. Okay. So in
		
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			other words, in order for their readings to
		
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			be correct and authorized,
		
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			they must fulfill 3 conditions.
		
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			Number 1, their readings must be incorrect sorry.
		
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			Must be in agreement with the rasim of
		
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			at least one of the Uthmani codices.
		
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			Number 2, their readings must be mass transmitted,
		
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			that is transmitted through generations after generations
		
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			of reciters with uninterrupted change of transmission
		
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			tracing back to the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam.
		
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			And number
		
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			3 is more secondary.
		
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			Their readings must be incorrect Arabic. And I
		
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			say secondary because there's nothing mass transmitted that
		
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			agrees with the Uthmani textual tradition that is
		
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			an incorrect Arabic.
		
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			In other words, if the first two conditions
		
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			are met, the third is automatically met. Now,
		
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			now, Van Putin claims that there is an
		
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			authorized reading in the Uthmani textual tradition that
		
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			is in incorrect Arabic and that and that
		
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			the Quran contains
		
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			a grammatical error. This is false. He's he's
		
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			wrong. We'll we'll look at that. And also
		
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			some of the claims of, Shadi Nasser in
		
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			part 2 of this of this series inshallah.
		
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			We actually look at the content of the
		
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			Quran, the style of the Quran.
		
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			Now, in the 4th century Hijri,
		
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			okay, an Iraqi scholar named Abu Bakr ibn
		
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			Mujahid
		
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			wrote a famous book called Kitabu Saba Kitabu
		
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			Saba for the Quran.
		
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			Okay? He died in, 936
		
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			of the common era. Now now during his
		
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			time, there were many, many
		
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			correct reading tradition
		
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			things. Okay. Qara'at within the Uthmani textual tradition.
		
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			Dozens of Qara'at had had risen to prominence,
		
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			over the last couple of centuries.
		
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			Ibn Mujahid, he chose 7 of these popular
		
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			reading traditions
		
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			and he documented them in his book Kitabu
		
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			Saba. Okay? So these are ibn Amr, Abu
		
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			Amr,
		
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			ibn Kathir, Nafi, Hamza, Al Kisai, and Asim.
		
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			Okay? But two points here that I'll make.
		
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			These reading traditions were already very popular even
		
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			before ibn Mujahed was born.
		
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			Okay? This fact is mentioned explicitly by a
		
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			Suyuti in the Iqan, And this is why
		
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			even Mujahid, you know, chose that. His his
		
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			choosing of them probably
		
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			made them more popular, but they were already
		
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			popular.
		
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			Abu Ubaid
		
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			made mention of these reading traditions
		
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			before Ibn Mujahid.
		
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			Suyuti said that by the end of 2nd
		
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			century, Hijri, before ibn Mujahid, he said people
		
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			were upon the readings of Abu Amr, Hamza,
		
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			Asin, ibn A'amr, ibn Kathir al Nafi.
		
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			The second point is that
		
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			each one of these eponymous Quran
		
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			highlighted by, Ibn Mujahid had a multitude of
		
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			students
		
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			who had been transmitting the Quran from them.
		
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			So these were huge,
		
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			vibrant
		
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			reading traditions.
		
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			Okay. One of these eponymous Quran, Ibn Amr
		
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			learned the Quran under the companion of the
		
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			prophet Abu Darda. This is according to Ibn
		
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			Asakir in his, Tariq Dimash, in his history
		
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			of Damascus.
		
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			Ibn Amr learned the Quran from Abu Darda
		
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			who had 1600 students. So, Ibn Amr was
		
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			one
		
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			of the 1600 students, 1600 students of, of
		
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			Abu Darda.
		
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			One companion had 1600 students. Now, imagine how
		
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			many total students
		
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			from the Tabi'im, right, from the 2nd generation
		
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			there were, from all of the Sahaba
		
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			who transmitted and taught the Quran. So even
		
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			if 10 percent So there's 100,000 companions of
		
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			the prophet, right? Even if 10% of the
		
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			Sahaba
		
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			were
		
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			transmitting the Quran, that's 10,000 Sahaba. If each
		
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			just had 50 students, that's half a 1000000
		
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			students
		
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			in the 2nd generation.
		
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			So in reality, the numbers are in the
		
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			millions.
		
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			This is called mass transmission.
		
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			This is called Tawato.
		
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			Okay. Now this is very important to understand.
		
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			Over time,
		
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			many people erroneously
		
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			conflated
		
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			these 7 reading traditions,
		
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			okay?
		
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			These 7 reading traditions in Ibn Mujahid's book
		
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			with the 7
		
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			aharuf because it's the same number. Right? And
		
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			so many people started to say that there
		
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			were only 7 correct
		
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			meeting traditions because the prophet said the Quran
		
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			was revealed upon 7 Ahroof. This, of course,
		
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			was a major misunderstanding.
		
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			The Qur'at and Ahroof are not the same
		
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			things, but they started to say, you know,
		
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			Asim is 1 Haruf and Nafir is 1
		
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			Haruf and Ibn Amr is 1 Hafno. Asim
		
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			and Nafir and Ibn Amr are Qira'at
		
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			that drew from the
		
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			pool of the 7 aqif. Okay. So that's
		
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			a very important distinction. Now, at this point,
		
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			Abu Amr Adani,
		
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			he basically simplified Ibn Mujahid's text.
		
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			Okay. So Adani chose 2 popular students
		
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			of each of the 7 eponymous horah
		
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			and documented their readings.
		
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			Okay. So these are called the 2 Rahweis
		
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			or canonical transmitters.
		
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			Okay. So in Kufa, the reading tradition of
		
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			Asim became popular. We mentioned that. But how
		
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			did it become popular? It became popular through
		
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			his 2 top students.
		
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			One was Shurba, and one was Hafs ibnusuleiman.
		
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			Okay? The reading traditions of Shurba and Hafs
		
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			were documented by Adani
		
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			and eventually standardized with the vowing and dotting.
		
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			So this really makes 14 canonical and authorized
		
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			reading traditions.
		
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			7 eponymous
		
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			ura through their 2 respective ra'wee. So 7
		
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			times 2 is 14.
		
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			Okay. About 4 centuries after,
		
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			ibn Mujahid,
		
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			Imam Shamsuddin al Jazadi,
		
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			whom Suyuti considered the greatest scholar ever in
		
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			the field of qira'at,
		
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			He wrote a masterpiece called Kitabu Nasar Filqira'atir
		
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			Asar. So al Jazari died 14/29
		
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			of the common era.
		
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			And so Imam al Jazari said that in
		
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			fact, the reading traditions of Yaqub al Basri,
		
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			Abu Jafar
		
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			al Madani, and Khalaf al Baghdadi,
		
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			transmitted through their respective Rawis were also correct
		
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			and had always been correct and mass transmitted
		
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			and multiply tested. And so there are 20
		
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			canonical reading traditions. So so 10 eponymous fora
		
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			through their respective two raus. And today, about
		
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			95% of the Sunni world
		
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			reads
		
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			Hafs and Asim, right? So, the reading tradition
		
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			of Qari Asim through his Ra'i, his transmitter
		
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			Has.
		
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			3% reads Warash and Nafir.
		
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			And the remaining, 2% are divided between Qalun
		
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			and Nafir and probably
		
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			ibn Nudhaqwan
		
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			and ibn,
		
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			an ibn
		
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			Amr and Aduri,
		
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			and Abi
		
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			Amr.
		
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			The other 15 are studied
		
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			and memorized
		
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			and known by Quran masters, but not so
		
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			much recited in public
		
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			congregational, prayers. By the way, there's a there's
		
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			a really good website called
		
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			nnquran.com,
		
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			n as in newspaper,
		
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			Quran.com. It's in Arabic,
		
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			but,
		
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			it shows you,
		
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			you put in any verse in the Quran,
		
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			it'll show you what what every single Rahi,
		
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			what every single transmitter from from the 10,
		
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			eponymous,
		
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			readers, how they read that particular,
		
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			verse.
		
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			Now there are 2 things concerning this topic
		
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			that
		
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			love to point out here. Okay? So I'm
		
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			gonna mention them.
		
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			Ibn Mujahid, right, he chose
		
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			these seven reading traditions,
		
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			but he also criticized and disagreed with some
		
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			individual articulations
		
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			of a few words. So this is true.
		
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			First of all, he never criticized anything in
		
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			Assam, Nafir and Abu Amr, which is
		
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			basically the entire Ummah today. But he did
		
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			criticize ibn Amr a few times, and Hamza
		
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			once, and I think Kunbul, one of the
		
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			transmitters of bin Kathir,
		
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			I think once.
		
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			So I mean, it's like a total of
		
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			6 or 8 words across 7 teraat that
		
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			you disagreed with. So so the Quran is
		
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			roughly 77
		
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			1,000 words, 77,000
		
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			times 7, qira'at is about 540,000
		
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			words. So, out of 540,000
		
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			words, Ibn Mujahid disagreed with 6 or 8
		
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			of them. Okay. So I'll give you an
		
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			example of what we're dealing with here. So
		
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			he disagreed with Qumbul, Qumbul's reading of chapter
		
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			96
		
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			verse 7. So I'll recite the dominant reading
		
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			among the eponymous readers,
		
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			and then I'll recite Kumbul's reading. So this
		
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			is the reading he agreed with, Arra'ahu Stavana.
		
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			Right? Arra'ahu
		
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			Stavana. And here's kumbul,
		
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			Arra'ahu Stavana.
		
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			Now
		
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			not much different, sounds pretty much the same.
		
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			You know, I think this is ibn Mujahid
		
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			just nitpicking.
		
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			The polemicists, however, you know, they're they're turning
		
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			this into the longer ending of Mark. Right?
		
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			So even even Mujahid also criticized one word
		
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			in the entire Quran of
		
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			of Hamza. Right? It's in chapter 18 verse
		
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			97 of the Quran. So here's the dominant
		
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			reading and then Hamza's
		
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			read. So the dominant reading says, Famastah'u.
		
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			Again, Famastah'u.
		
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			Now hamza. Famastaru.
		
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			Okay. Now maybe you didn't pick up on
		
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			the difference. I mean, that is that is
		
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			literally
		
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			the different again, this is ibn Mujahid sort
		
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			of nitpicking, but this is the hill that
		
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			these polemices
		
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			really want to die on.
		
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			Now Christian apologists, they enjoy citing an essay
		
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			by, Gabriel Saeed Reynolds,
		
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			in in a compendium called the Quran and
		
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			its historical context,
		
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			where Reynolds, who's also the editor of the
		
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			book, he goes into some of these things.
		
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			But Reynolds actually says, and this is a
		
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			quote from him, ibn Mujahid argued that there
		
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			are 7 equal
		
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			valid Qur'at.
		
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			Ibn Mujahid argued that there are 7 equally
		
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			valid Qur'at.
		
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			And that's true. This is why ibn Mujahid
		
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			wrote his book in the first place. So
		
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			so which is it? Is is ibn Mujahid
		
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			saying that these 7 are all valid? Or
		
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			is he saying that there are errors and
		
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			mistakes in some of them? Like readings in
		
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			Hamza, in Ibn Amr, in Punbul that I
		
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			mentioned earlier.
		
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			And so, these are invalid. Which is it?
		
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			Is it valid or invalid? So how do
		
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			we harmonize these things? Well, it's simple.
		
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			Ibn Mujahed did believe that these were equally
		
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			valid qaraat
		
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			because they were multiply tested. They conformed to
		
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			the Uthmani Rasam, and they were in sound
		
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			Arabic. But he simply
		
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			did not prefer them, these 6 or so
		
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			words,
		
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			these few words, half a dozen words. There
		
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			were strange articulations to him that should be
		
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			avoided. That makes the most sense. Okay?
		
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			But, okay, let's say for argument's sake, that
		
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			indeed, ibn Mujahid believed
		
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			in his heart of hearts
		
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			that these 6 or 8 words, okay, were
		
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			incorrect and he rejected them as being revealed
		
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			to the prophet. They're not the Quran.
		
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			Here's my response. So, what? That was one
		
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			man's opinion. Ibn Mujahid was a great scholar,
		
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			but he was not the be all end
		
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			all when it came to the Tarahat.
		
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			Our religion is not built upon the opinion
		
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			of 1 scholar.
		
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			It's
		
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			built upon the jama'a, the overwhelming majority. This
		
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			is why we're called ahlusunam al jama'a. Right?
		
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			The the qira'at of the 7 eponymous readers
		
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			selected by Ibn Mujahid for his book were
		
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			universally accepted as being valid before and after
		
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			Ibn Mujahid.
		
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			So Ibn Mujahid was simply wrong to disagree
		
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			with and reject those few articulations.
		
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			Right? The prophet sallallahu alaihi wasalam, he said,
		
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			yadullahi alaljama'a.
		
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			Very famous hadith. If we were to make
		
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			taweeel of this hadith, the protection of god
		
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			is with the majority.
		
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			Right?
		
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			Now here's the second thing that these polemicists
		
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			like to point out.
		
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			The fact that some traditional Muslim scholars criticized
		
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			Hafs, Imam Hafs,
		
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			with respect to his knowledge of hadith, that
		
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			he was weak in hadith or that he's
		
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			rejected in hadith.
		
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			So how how are we taking Quran from
		
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			him? My my response again here is, so
		
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			what?
		
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			Hadith was not his takhasus, was not his
		
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			specialty.
		
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			Okay? Many of the best Quran today, many
		
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			of the best reciters of the Quran, masters
		
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			of the Quran today are not necessarily masters
		
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			or scholars of Hadith.
		
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			They're masters, they're a'mma
		
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			of the Quran, of Qira'at,
		
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			right? Their focus was on the Quran. The
		
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			focus of Hafs ibn Sulayman was on the
		
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			Quran. That's number 1. He was an absolute
		
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			master of the Quran.
		
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			Number 2,
		
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			the Hadith scholars who criticized his knowledge of
		
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			Hadith praised him in his transmission and recitation
		
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			of the Quran. So these are 2 separate
		
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			disciplines. Right?
		
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			There is not a single example of a
		
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			traditional Sunni scholar,
		
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			quoting a gara'a of Imam Hafs and claiming
		
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			that it's fabricated or somehow
		
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			falsified. So the polemicists are once again clutching
		
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			its straws here.
		
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			Now
		
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			now a popular claim of of modern polemicists,
		
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			okay, is that ibn Mujahid,
		
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			using this sort of apparatus of the Abbasid
		
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			government,
		
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			He used to prosecute anyone who read outside
		
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			of his
		
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			of his chosen seven reading traditions.
		
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			So this is a bit misleading.
		
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			Okay. So let me say 2 things about
		
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			this. Number 1,
		
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			it is true that the state authorities did
		
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			prosecute
		
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			certain Quran. Yes.
		
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			But really only 2 types of Quran. Okay.
		
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			So the first type
		
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			who would deviate
		
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			from the Uthmani textual tradition
		
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			and would publicly recite according to the textual
		
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			traditions of individual companions,
		
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			such as Ibn Mas'ud and, Ibn Kaab and
		
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			others, that were not mass transmitted.
		
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			Right? So such a man was Khali Muhammad
		
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			ibn Ahmad,
		
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			ibn Ayyub al Bawdadi, who was more popularly
		
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			known as
		
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			Istanbul, who died in 9:39 of the common
		
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			era. So he would recite aharuf,
		
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			that were known by solitary reports, not mass
		
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			transmitted reports,
		
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			alright, which were not accommodated by the Uthmanic
		
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			codices. So he was he was lashed a
		
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			few times when he was released.
		
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			The second type was, someone like Hari Abu
		
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			Bakr ibn Mittsam
		
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			who died in 9/65 of the common era.
		
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			He stuck to the Rasim of the Uthmani
		
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			codex. Okay? And, he knew the canonical readings,
		
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			but he believed that it was permissible
		
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			to vowel and dot the Rasam however he
		
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			wanted, as long as the Arabic was correct
		
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			and without even the slightest consideration for ISNA.
		
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			And he repented
		
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			of this. So, no one was burned
		
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			at the stake or impaled or had their
		
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			bones crushed, nothing like this. The second point
		
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			is that if if if ibn Mujahid prosecuted
		
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			Qur'a,
		
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			who read according to Yaqub or Khalaf, for
		
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			example,
		
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			what is today considered authentic, then how on
		
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			earth did those reading traditions
		
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			survive
		
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			and thrive
		
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			until the time of Al Jazari
		
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			400 years later, who said that they were
		
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			mass transmitted authentic readings?
		
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			Why weren't those thousands of Quran who were
		
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			reading according to Yaqub and Khalaf and Abu
		
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			Jafar, why weren't they brought up on charges?
		
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			By the way, the case of Ibnu Miksam
		
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			absolutely destroys
		
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			the orientalist and Christian claims that textual variance
		
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			within the Uthmani textual tradition were the result
		
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			of Qur'a having absolutely free reign when deciphering
		
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			the rusum of the Uthmani codices.
		
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			Ibn Ummixam was arrested for doing this. He
		
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			was arrested for vowing and dotting the text
		
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			however he wanted. He was arrested for bypassing
		
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			oral tradition, for bypassing handed down tradition, and
		
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			basing his recitation on his own itch tee
		
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			hot and his on his own opinion. Right?
		
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			So here's the important point.
		
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			Unauthorized
		
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			readings were investigated
		
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			from the very beginning. Remember, Umar dragged Hisham,
		
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			right, to the prophet because he suspected Hisham's
		
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			reading to be incorrect and unauthorized. Muslims were
		
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			always,
		
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			always very, very intent on getting the Quran
		
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			exactly right. Okay. Now I wanna provide further
		
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			evidence,
		
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			that the claim of the orientalist and Christian
		
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			polemicist is simply wrong. So let's let's restate
		
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			their claim.
		
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			Okay. Here's here's the claim, is that the
		
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			Quran in these regional areas, right, were absolutely
		
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			free to vowel and dot the text however
		
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			they wanted without restriction
		
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			as long as the context and meaning and
		
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			grammar was sound, and that this is why
		
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			different reading traditions
		
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			came into existence. So let me show you
		
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			why this is false.
		
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			So so Asm, Al Kisai, Yaqb, and Khalaf
		
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			read Al Fatiha as,
		
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			right, the owner of the day of judgment.
		
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			The other 6 Quran, including Nahir,
		
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			they read this as Madiki Yom Adin. So
		
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			it's a 6040 split. Right? So here the
		
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			orientalist says, you see the Rasam
		
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			allows for both. So some Quran chose Malik
		
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			and some chose medic. They were free to
		
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			make this choice.
		
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			And yes, this is true. They were free
		
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			to make this choice. But here's the problem.
		
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			In Surah number 3 verse 26,
		
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			Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says,
		
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			All 10, upon his Quran
		
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			said Malik al Mulk here in this verse.
		
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			It's unanimous.
		
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			Why?
		
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			Why didn't the 6th Quran
		
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			who read Maliki Yom Adin and Al Fatiha
		
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			read this as Malikul Mulk?
		
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			It makes total sense according to its meaning.
		
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			It's contextually valid. It's incorrect Arabic.
		
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			Why didn't anyone choose this reading? Well, it
		
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			seems to me that they did not have
		
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			that choice.
		
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			They were not authorized to read this word
		
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			and this verse as manic.
		
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			They did not have
		
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			this type of recitational
		
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			latitude
		
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			in
		
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			this
		
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			verse. Why? What makes sense? It makes perfect
		
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			sense that the region of Quran were constrained
		
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			by the living oral transmission
		
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			of the Quran,
		
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			the handed down recitational
		
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			tradition
		
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			of the Quran. They were constrained by the
		
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			sunnah of Qira'ah.
		
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			And here's another example of this word.
		
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			Right? And in the final Surah of the
		
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			Quran, Qul A'udu G rabinas
		
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			malikinas
		
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			malikinas.
		
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			Have you ever heard anyone ever recite this
		
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			as malikinnes?
		
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			No, never. Why? It's unanimous.
		
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			There
		
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			is no recitational latitude
		
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			in this verse. Why? Because readers were
		
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			constrained by the Sunnah of the Torah. Right?
		
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			We also find in the Quran chapter 20
		
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			verse 114,
		
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			Fatahallallahu
		
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			malikulhaqq,
		
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			the same Rasam in Chapter 23 116,
		
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			Fatahallallahu
		
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			malikulhaqq.
		
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			Amazing. No Qari ever read these verses as
		
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			Marikul Haqq.
		
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			If they had
		
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			free rain, what are the chances of that
		
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			happening? Right? Here's a totally different example. This
		
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			is from,
		
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			chapter 6 verse 83.
		
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			It says,
		
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			like, we raise degrees.
		
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			We raise degrees
		
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			for whomever we
		
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			will. Right? Again, the Uthmanic codices were dotless.
		
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			All 10 hora read these two verbs
		
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			as first person common. So here's my question.
		
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			If variant readings of the Uthmani textual tradition
		
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			originated
		
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			with the regional ora who were vowing and
		
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			dotting their regional codices at will according to
		
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			their,
		
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			then why didn't anyone read this as
		
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			with the verse in the 3rd person? It
		
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			makes perfect sense according to the context of
		
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			the verse,
		
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			yet no one read the verse like this.
		
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			Why? Because they were not authorized to do
		
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			that. They were constrained
		
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			by the Sunnah of Tiraa.
		
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			So, here's the point.
		
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			If reciters were free to dot and vowel
		
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			the rusum of the Uthmanic codices
		
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			as they deemed appropriate,
		
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			there would've been tens of thousands
		
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			of variant meetings throughout the Quran, tens of
		
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			thousands,
		
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			and there really isn't. In reality, reciters were
		
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			extremely limited
		
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			as to how to dot and vowel the
		
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			Rasam.
		
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			Why? Because they were constrained
		
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			by the living oral transmission
		
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			of the Quran, the handed down recitational tradition
		
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			of the Quran. It was nakal, it's riwa.
		
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			These Qur'at were talaki, they're verbatim,
		
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			They're not Bilma'ana. They're not according to meaning.
		
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			They were transmitted with asanid,
		
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			chains of transmission.
		
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			This is the most convincing explanation.
		
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			But, here's another question.
		
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			How many variants exist in the canonical
		
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			Uthmani reading traditions? In other words, how many
		
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			total words in the Quran are affected by
		
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			the aroof?
		
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			Okay. And by words, I mean noun, verbs,
		
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			and particles. So, not counting like dialectical variations
		
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			because those
		
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			don't change the meanings.
		
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			The answer is not very many, just a
		
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			fraction. According to Ibn Majayid, it's about 700
		
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			words. So, that is less than 1% of
		
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			the Quran.
		
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			Van Houten thinks this number is too low.
		
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			He puts it at 2,000 words. So, 2
		
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			and a half percent of the Quran, which
		
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			again is very minimal.
		
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			If reciters were free to dot and vowel
		
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			the rufum
		
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			of the Uthmanic codices, however they wanted, according
		
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			to context, there would have been tens of
		
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			thousands
		
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			of words affected, not 700,
		
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			not 2,000,
		
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			tens of thousands. Let me give you one
		
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			last example. This is a good one.
		
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			From the UK used this example. I think
		
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			it really
		
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			strongly demonstrates,
		
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			our contention that raha'a is sunnah.
		
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			That the
		
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			the the reading traditions,
		
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			that are canonized,
		
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			they are from a prophetic origin. So the
		
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			first verse
		
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			of Surah Yaseen. Right?
		
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			The first verse is Yaseen. Okay? So now
		
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			now look at the the word Yaseen,
		
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			how it looks in Arabic. Yeah. Right? The
		
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			the you with the two dots underneath connected
		
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			to the letter seen. Yeah. Now remove the
		
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			dots. Imagine,
		
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			you know, what's known as the heikal al
		
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			kanima, like these the continental
		
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			word devoid
		
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			of dots, right, the skeletal word. This is
		
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			what the Uthmanic codices look like.
		
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			Yet everyone,
		
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			without
		
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			exception,
		
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			recited this as Yacine.
		
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			Right? They they could have recited this as
		
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			Nuan Seen or Tassine
		
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			or Tha cine
		
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			or Bassine
		
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			or Noon sheen
		
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			or Tashine
		
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			or thashine
		
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			or yashine.
		
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			They all recited yashine. They had 9 other
		
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			choices at least, yet all 10 Korah said
		
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			Yassine.
		
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			Why?
		
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			Because they were constrained by the Sunnah of
		
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			Teraha.
		
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			Okay. So
		
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			this is kind of the the last part
		
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			of the presentation, and then I have a
		
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			short sort of epilogue. But this is really
		
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			important to mention here, that Suyuti mentions in
		
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			the Ithqa, this is what he learned from
		
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			Imam al Jazari, that there are, several grades
		
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			of authenticity with respect to reported
		
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			choronic recitations. Okay. So I want to keep
		
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			this simple.
		
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			So broadly speaking, there are 4 main grades
		
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			of recitation.
		
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			So if a particular reading
		
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			fails
		
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			to meet even one of the even one
		
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			of the 3 conditions mentioned earlier. Right? Strong
		
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			chain, agreement with 1 with monic codex in
		
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			sound Arabic. Right? Then if it fails to
		
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			meet one of these 3, then it is
		
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			considered an unauthorized
		
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			reading and it cannot be recited in prayer.
		
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			So the highest grade obviously is mutawatiuh, mass
		
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			transmitted.
		
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			Okay? And Suyuti says that most readings are
		
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			of this type. By consensus, these are the
		
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			10 canonical reading traditions as transmitted
		
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			by their 2 main Rawis. So for nafir,
		
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			for example, they are Qalun and Warsh. For
		
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			Assen, they are Shurban Hafs.
		
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			These were reported by groups and groups of
		
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			Muslim reciters with strong and verified chains of
		
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			transmission
		
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			that go back to the prophet. Then we
		
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			have Ahad readings. So these are readings that
		
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			have strong chains,
		
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			but too few reciters.
		
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			Okay? So they don't have a sufficient number
		
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			of authorities.
		
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			For example, in in his Mustadirak, Imam Al
		
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			Hakim said that on the authority of Ibn
		
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			Abbas, the prophet would recite Surah 9, verse
		
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			128 as laqajalqumasulaminanfasikum
		
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			andfasikum,
		
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			in addition to anfasikum.
		
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			So there is come unto you a messenger
		
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			from the most noble among you, anfasikum.
		
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			Anfasu is the superlative of nafis.
		
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			In addition to the standard, there is come
		
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			unto you a messenger from among yourselves, anfasikum,
		
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			with anfus as a plural of nafs. So
		
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			the Arabic is correct both ways. The meaning
		
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			is sound both ways, and both agree with
		
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			the ofmani rasam.
		
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			Now, none of the canonical reading traditions read
		
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			this as antfasikum.
		
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			It was just not very popular.
		
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			Okay. So, could this have been revealed to
		
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			the prophet as
		
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			a haraf? Of course, it could have been.
		
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			But since this haraf did not gain prevalence,
		
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			this reading only has the strength of a
		
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			sound hadith. So it is not strong enough
		
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			to be an authorized qira'ah of the Quran
		
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			because even a sound hadith is not considered
		
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			absolutely definitive.
		
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			Okay. There is still a chance of error.
		
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			It's not a dalil
		
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			So for the Quran, we cannot take that
		
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			chance. It has to be absolutely sound and
		
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			multiply attested.
		
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			Then you have shad readings. So shad means
		
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			isolated,
		
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			right, or unsound or anomalous. So
		
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			a shad reading may be in correct Arabic,
		
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			have a sound meaning, and even agree with
		
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			the Uthmani Rasam, but the isnaad is somehow
		
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			unsound or defective. For example,
		
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			instead of and this is an example used
		
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			by Moussiyuti, the Ith Khan, Instead of saying
		
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			iyaka na'budu, you alone we worship,
		
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			somebody says iyaka yurbadu,
		
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			you alone are worshipped.
		
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			Right? So instead of the verb being first
		
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			person plural in the active voice, it's made
		
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			in of 3rd person masculine in the passive.
		
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			So these readings have no transmissional basis. So
		
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			if a reciter were to recite like this,
		
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			the authorities would ask him where he learned
		
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			this. And if he says from so and
		
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			so, the authorities would go to so and
		
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			so and ask him, and so and so
		
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			would say, I just heard it somewhere, or
		
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			I just vowed it myself, or my brother
		
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			used to recite like this. And I and
		
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			I don't know where he heard it from.
		
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			So authorities were very rigorous and particular about
		
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			what reciters were reciting in public. And then
		
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			finally, we have, Maldua reading. So these are
		
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			readings that are deemed fabricated by authorities.
		
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			K. These readings have multiple problems, you know,
		
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			like, in addition to an unsound or nonexistent,
		
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			is not. There are other issues, disagreement with
		
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			the Usmani Brassem, grammatical errors,
		
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			unacceptable meanings.
		
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			So so for example, Abu Aswaddu Wali, he
		
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			once heard a man recite chapter 9 verse
		
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			3
		
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			as Anallaha bari umminan mushrikim orasulihi
		
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			instead of orasuluhu.
		
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			Right? And so the former, it changes the
		
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			meaning to something unacceptable
		
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			and has no transmissional,
		
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			basis. So, Abdul Ali asked the man
		
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			from where he learned his Qara'a and the
		
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			man said that he just sort of vowed
		
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			it, himself.
		
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			So, so Mutawati readings are without question Quran
		
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			and may be recited in prayer.
		
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			Ahad readings
		
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			may have been revealed as Quran. Right? They
		
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			may have been revealed as Ashraf,
		
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			yet they are outside the Uthmani textual tradition.
		
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			So, Ashraf that were either
		
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			abrogated or abandoned,
		
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			they may not be recited in prayer, but
		
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			they have the strength of hadith.
		
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			It is possible, but also, but very unlikely,
		
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			that shav readings may also have been revealed
		
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			as Quranic aharth, but were abandoned or abrogated.
		
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			But these readings really don't have any type
		
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			of authority,
		
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			other than
		
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			perhaps serving sort of a minor exegetical function.
		
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			And finding al Dort readings are definitely not
		
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			Quranic and have no authority whatsoever.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			So that's pretty much the end of the
		
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			main part of the presentation. Now as an
		
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			as an epilogue, I want to share my
		
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			thoughts
		
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			about 2 things, very briefly. Okay? So so
		
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			one is,
		
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			an oft repeated hadith,
		
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			by anti Muslim elements, and the other is
		
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			the work of Daniel Brubaker.
		
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			Okay. So so let's start with the first.
		
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			So Christian missionaries
		
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			and Shiite apologists,
		
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			so they they love a particular hadith in
		
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			the sunan of Ibnu Majah, where Aisha is
		
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			reported to have said that a goat
		
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			or a sheep
		
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			ate the page that contained both the stoning
		
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			and the breastfeeding verses. So they love this
		
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			hadith. It's like mother's milk to them. Right?
		
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			And by the way, in America,
		
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			the woke circus is demanding that we say
		
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			chest feeding now and not breastfeeding.
		
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			So let's make it a point to ignore
		
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			that. Anyway,
		
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			I I just said, the verse of stoning
		
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			and of breastfeeding an adult 10 times was
		
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			revealed,
		
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			and the paper was with me under my
		
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			pillow. When the messenger
		
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			of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his
		
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			death and a tame sheep, some sometimes it
		
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			says goat, came in and ate it.
		
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			Okay. So so first things first,
		
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			we don't just accept any hadith uncritically.
		
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			Okay? So so this hadith is defective
		
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			according to probably all Sunni
		
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			Muaddithin,
		
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			scholars of hadith.
		
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			There are several there are several big problems
		
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			with this hadith. So number 1, ibn Ishaq
		
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			is the Isnat. Okay? And he was known
		
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			for being not just weak in Hadith, but
		
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			very questionable
		
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			in his honesty,
		
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			in his reliability, to put it mildly. I
		
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			mean, Imam Malik ibn Anas, okay, who was
		
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			without question one of the greatest scholars in
		
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			the history of Islam, highly revered,
		
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			the the imam of Medina,
		
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			the founder of the Maliki School, the master
		
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			of hadith and and jurisprudence, he referred to
		
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			Ibn Ishaq as a deceiver at Dajjal,
		
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			that is to say an audacious liar.
		
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			Also, there are 2 other versions of this
		
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			hadith that that were narrated by imam Malik
		
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			and and and Yahya ibn Sa'id,
		
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			Al Ansari
		
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			that do not include
		
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			this strange comment about a goat or a
		
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			sheep. And both both Madik and Yahya are
		
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			universally known for their reliability,
		
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			in in transmission.
		
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			The other issue is related to basic reason.
		
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			Right? Let's just focus on stoning. Right?
		
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			There are multiple reports which state that there
		
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			was a verse revealed to the prophet,
		
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			which
		
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			prescribed
		
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			the stoning of married parties found guilty of
		
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			adultery. Okay? There's very little dispute about that.
		
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			There was a verse.
		
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			Several companions of the prophet knew it, memorized
		
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			it, and recited it.
		
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			Why was it not included in the Uthmani
		
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			codex by the committee?
		
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			Anything is more plausible than what this hadith
		
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			is apparently suggesting. Right? So according to this
		
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			hadith, the reason why this verse was no
		
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			longer recited as the Quran,
		
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			is because a a goat or a sheep
		
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			ate the piece of paper upon which the
		
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			verse was transcribed
		
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			as if losing a piece of paper suddenly
		
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			erases the verse from the memories of human
		
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			beings.
		
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			As I said, in this early period, the
		
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			written Quran was
		
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			secondary to what was being recited. This was
		
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			primarily an oral culture.
		
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			Another thing is it is highly implausible
		
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			that none of the official scribes of the
		
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			prophet,
		
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			who are mentioned in our sources by name
		
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			and number up to nearly 70 individuals. It's
		
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			highly implausible that none of those scribes wrote
		
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			this verse down.
		
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			Right? Nor did any other companion in the
		
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			parent. Only Aisha had this verse written down.
		
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			And when the goat ate the paper, the
		
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			verse magically,
		
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			disappeared apparently.
		
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			Now here's what probably happened. Okay? The verse
		
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			of stoning was probably written down by someone
		
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			and presented to Zaid
		
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			during the collation process,
		
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			but there was a difference of opinion as
		
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			to whether the prophet
		
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			ordered the verse to be officially transcribed.
		
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			Okay? And in fact, there are a few
		
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			narrations, 1 in the Mustad Al Akbar Hakim,
		
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			another in Beihaki, I think in in Nasai
		
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			that mentioned that the prophet disliked that the
		
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			verse of stoning should be transcribed.
		
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			So there might have been a problem with
		
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			securing the 2 witnesses. Now,
		
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			as I said earlier,
		
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			the last two verses of a Tovah also
		
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			lacked an additional witness, but they were transcribed
		
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			by the codex committee. Why? Because the last
		
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			two verses of a Tovah were widely recited
		
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			by the generality of the companions
		
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			and there was no question of abrogation.
		
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			So why wasn't the verse of stoning included
		
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			by the
		
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			committee? Well, it appears that the prophet, for
		
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			some reason, did not recite it as part
		
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			of the final recension of the Quran in
		
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			his final review with Gabriel.
		
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			Whether one believes in Gabriel or not, the
		
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			committee
		
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			and many other companions
		
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			must have been of the opinion,
		
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			that this verse was not to be or
		
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			no longer to be
		
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			recited.
		
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			In other words, the verse of stoning was
		
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			in some form abrogated
		
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			by the prophet. Okay. No no no goats
		
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			or sheeps needed.
		
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			And it seemed that there were a few
		
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			companions who wanted to keep reciting it as
		
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			the Quran,
		
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			but after the committee's investigation and research and
		
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			inquiry into the matter, they concluded that indeed
		
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			the verse had been abrogated, and the companions
		
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			who wanted to keep reciting it were simply
		
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			wrong to do
		
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			so. That's it.
		
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			And then finally here, I wanna give my
		
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			brief thoughts on the work of Daniel Allen
		
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			Brubaker. So Brubaker is apparently,
		
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			a scholar, at least he presents himself as
		
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			a scholar, of of early Quranic
		
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			manuscripts. So his book is called corrections in
		
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			early Qur'an manuscripts.
		
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			He has a somewhat popular and provocative YouTube
		
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			channel.
		
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			For many anti Muslim
		
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			Christian polemicists,
		
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			Brubaker has become their new savior, so to
		
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			speak, every so often. I think he's- Royce
		
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			Dailey Brumley He's working. Royce Dailey Brumley He's
		
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			working. Royce Dailey Brumley He's working. Royce Dailey
		
02:47:39 --> 02:47:41
			Brumley He's working. Royce Dailey Brumley He's working.
		
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			Royce Dailey Brumley He's working. Royce Dailey Brumley
		
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			He's working. Royce Dailey Brumley He's working. So
		
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			Brubaker's whole shtick
		
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			is his claim
		
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			that several differences in our manuscript tradition are
		
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			actually deliberate attempts
		
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			by scribes to change the text because the
		
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			text of the Quran remained
		
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			flexible even centuries
		
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			beyond its standardization.
		
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			Several scholars have responded to Brumaker's work and
		
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			have thoroughly debunked his assertions, Doctor. Yasser Kadi,
		
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			doctor Shabir Ali, 3 Muslim apologists, Mansur Ahmad,
		
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			Eyjaz Ahmad, and Farid al Bahrani, they coauthored
		
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			a a fantastic 300
		
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			page rebuttal to Brubaker.
		
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			It's called the Insignificance
		
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			of Corrections
		
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			in Early Quran Manuscripts. It's free on academia.edu.
		
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			I recommend taking a look at it.
		
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			The eminent Turkish scholar
		
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			of Koranic textual criticism,
		
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			doctor Tayar,
		
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			Artikulak,
		
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			he wrote
		
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			an entire book called the refutation of Brubaker's
		
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			corrections.
		
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			But if people are looking for something brief,
		
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			then I highly recommend
		
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			the epic dismantling of Brubaker by none other
		
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			than doctor Hythem Sitsky. Uh-huh. This was in
		
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			2019.
		
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			This was doctor Sitsky's review
		
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			of Brubaker's book in an academic journal called
		
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			or a suitable stop.
		
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			It's something like 15 pages. It's very short.
		
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			Doctor Sitsky writes, it, meaning Brubaker's book,
		
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			suffers from a number of critical flaws
		
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			in methodology,
		
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			analysis, and discussion.
		
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			So his review of Brubaker's book is very
		
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			academic. It's very respectful.
		
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			There are no ad homonyms. Right? It's not
		
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			harsh.
		
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			It's it's not highly polemical, but it is
		
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			kind of the nail, I think, in the
		
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			coffin of Brubaker's so called, scholarship on the
		
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			Quran.
		
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			Doctor Sify,
		
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			did not have to be polemical or provocative
		
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			in his review because the facts,
		
02:49:38 --> 02:49:39
			speak for themselves. The
		
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			conclusion that anyone will take from doctor Sitsky's
		
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			annihilation,
		
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			of Brubaker,
		
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			is that Brubaker is either highly incompetent
		
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			or or highly disingenuous
		
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			or both.
		
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			So Brubaker highlights in his book,
		
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			20 examples in various manuscripts,
		
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			where scribes, change the standard text, right, the
		
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			Uthmani Russel.
		
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			Brubaker wants to think that these changes were
		
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			done with the intention of deliberately altering the
		
02:50:05 --> 02:50:08
			the Uthmani Rus'am in order to deviate from
		
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			the Rasam for some reason.
		
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			Doctor Siddhi also mentions that Brubaker's argument is
		
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			a straw man,
		
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			that Brubaker essentially, argues against the assumptions of
		
02:50:17 --> 02:50:18
			many lay Muslims
		
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			that the text
		
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			of the Quran was always in a uniform
		
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			text even before standardization.
		
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			So Brubaker
		
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			shows very little knowledge of traditional Muslim
		
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			scholarly literature on manuscripts, on on variants, on
		
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			aharuf,
		
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			on qira'at,
		
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			etcetera. I suspect Brubaker does know better, but
		
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			I think he's banking
		
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			on the ignorance of his lib Muslim and
		
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			Christian readers in order to make some sort
		
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			of, dramatic impression.
		
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			But to give you an example of, an
		
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			idea of the state of his scholarship,
		
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			Brudbaker in his book actually pedals
		
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			Dan Gibson's
		
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			ridiculous
		
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			Da Vinci code esque theory
		
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			that Petra
		
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			was the after
		
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			Jerusalem, and that the prophet was born and
		
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			raised in Petra.
		
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			Right? So Marijn Van Putten, he calls the
		
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			Petra thesis
		
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			nonsense,
		
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			and says that the Quran clearly shows it's
		
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			taking place in the Hejaz.
		
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			Doctor Sean Anthony calls the petrothesis, quote, total
		
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			garbage.
		
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			Doctor Sipke actually makes reference to an academic
		
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			article by David a King,
		
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			who is a scholar of early,
		
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			Muslim qiblas.
		
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			And the article is called, I love this
		
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			title, the Petra fallacy.
		
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			Early mosques
		
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			do face the sacred Kaaba in Mecca, but
		
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			Dan Gibson doesn't know how.
		
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			Wow.
		
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			Anyway, Brudbaker's Arabic by the way is
		
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			atrocious. His pronunciations are horrible.
		
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			I mean, they're cringey bad. His translations are
		
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			often inaccurate.
		
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			It seems like he's a pseudo scholar who's
		
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			trying to make a few bucks. I don't
		
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			know. Get a few views on his channel.
		
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			Maybe he's a fraud. I don't know. Maybe
		
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			we should lump him in with the
		
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			Christoph Luxenbergs and the Robert Spencers of the
		
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			world, which reminds me actually,
		
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			and I'll just mention this quickly. Robert Spencer
		
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			has a new book. You know, Spencer was
		
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			one of these post-nineeleven
		
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			opportunists
		
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			and disinformation experts. His new book is called
		
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			The Critical Quran. That's what he called it.
		
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			The Critical Quran by a guy who maintains
		
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			that the prophet Muhammad never existed. Right? I
		
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			mean, this guy's a radical revisionist crackpot, right,
		
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			and regurgitates
		
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			the old and tired and thoroughly debunked positions
		
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			of John Wansbrough.
		
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			And then he actually refers to Christoph Luxenberg
		
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			as a great scholar and philologist.
		
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			Now, Luxemburg is literally
		
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			an academic laughing stock. I mean, lux Luxembourg
		
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			was the guy who said the Quran,
		
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			who said the Quran
		
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			was written in an Aramaic
		
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			Arabic
		
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			hybrid language. Right?
		
02:52:52 --> 02:52:55
			So like Waleed Salih, Daniel King, Gabriel Reynolds,
		
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			Robert Hoyland, Angelica Neuwirth,
		
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			Van Putten, even Patricia Krone have a scathing
		
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			reviews of Luxembourg. Whoever this guy is, he's
		
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			hiding behind an alias.
		
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			But according to Spencer, Luxembourg is a great
		
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			scholar and and philologist. This goes back to
		
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			the guilt complex I mentioned earlier because what
		
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			are Muslims saying to Christians? They're saying, You
		
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			have this new testament in Greek.
		
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			Jesus did not speak Greek. He spoke
		
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			Aramaic. So now they're saying, well, the Quran's
		
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			in Aramaic.
		
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			It's just a it's a it's a pretty
		
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			horrible argument.
		
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			Anyway,
		
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			just to finish up here, doctor Sify goes
		
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			through all twenty of Brubaker's examples
		
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			and concludes he says, quote, The majority of
		
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			changes mentioned in Brubaker's
		
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			book are best explained by scribal errors.
		
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			Doctor. Sitki wonders
		
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			why even the possibility of scribal error was
		
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			never even considered by Brubaker when it's clearly
		
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			the most plausible explanation.
		
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			I'll spare you the details,
		
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			but doctor Schifke says that basically all of
		
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			Brubaker's examples are explained by either parablexis,
		
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			which is like the eye skipping,
		
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			didography, which is when you inadvertently
		
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			repeat something,
		
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			or parallel assimilation that we talked about earlier.
		
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			In other words, these are all scribble errors.
		
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			I mean, Sitsky concludes that really only one
		
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			of Brudbaker's examples, number 5, is worth investigating
		
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			further.
		
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			And its final
		
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			conclusion,
		
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			worded very politely is, quote, the main thesis,
		
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			namely that the flexibility
		
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			of the Quranic text persisted centuries beyond
		
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			its standardization,
		
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			remains unproven,
		
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			end quote.
		
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			Oops.
		
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			Then I'll just say a couple more things
		
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			here. Doctor Shabir Ally actually
		
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			points out something good as well. He says
		
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			that, of course, individual manuscripts of the Quran
		
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			can have errors, and he pointed that out
		
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			as well. Muslim scribes were not infallible just
		
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			because a scribe made a mistake
		
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			by leaving out a word or mistakenly assimilated
		
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			2 similar sounding verses
		
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			in transcribing a manuscript, does it mean that
		
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			he changed
		
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			the Quran or that the Quran is no
		
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			longer preserved or he thought the Quran was
		
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			somehow flexible and things like that? It's ridiculous.
		
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			Also, individual memories of Muslims can have errors.
		
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			Reciters are not infallible. Reciters make mistakes all
		
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			the time.
		
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			But the Quran has a double check system
		
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			at which we may know what is the
		
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			correct reading. It is the collective
		
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			memory of the reciters of the community,
		
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			as well as the mass attestation
		
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			of manuscript witnesses. And Van Putin is clear
		
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			on this. I mean, his position is that
		
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			is that since the Quran's standardization
		
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			in 6:50, the text has not changed at
		
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			all. It is stable and preserved. Those are
		
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			his words.
		
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			Doctor. Sitzky also points out that Brudbacher failed
		
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			to
		
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			show a pattern of changes in the manuscripts
		
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			throughout the centuries.
		
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			In other words, Brudbaker shows how the word
		
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			Allah in a certain verse is omitted in
		
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			a 2nd century manuscript.
		
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			Right? But in multiple 1st and third century
		
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			manuscripts
		
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			of that verse, right, before and after, the
		
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			word Allah is there.
		
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			It's everywhere. In other words, these mistakes, these
		
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			are clearly mistakes, and these mistakes were not
		
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			inherited.
		
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			Why were they not inherited? Because the standard
		
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			text was known.
		
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			Now, a Christian apologist may
		
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			say here
		
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			that the vast majority of changes in the
		
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			Greek new testament
		
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			manuscripts were also unintentional scribal errors.
		
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			And I agree, but as Metzger and Ehrman
		
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			and Comfort and many others have shown, there
		
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			are also many deliberate theological changes made to
		
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			the text. We know this, the longer ending
		
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			of Mark, the Johann in coma,
		
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			the Percovi Adulteri,
		
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			the Luke in Jesus sweating blood, the Luke
		
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			in Jesus asking God to forgive the Jews,
		
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			the prologue changed from only begotten God to
		
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			only begotten son, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
		
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			None of the 20 examples presented by Brubaker
		
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			have even the slightest
		
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			theological significance.
		
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			They are unintentional scribble errors,
		
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			plain and simple, end of
		
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			story, and mercifully, the end of my presentation.
		
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			Right.
		
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			Very, very brilliant. Well, thank you very much,
		
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			indeed,
		
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			indeed to Professor Ali Atai.
		
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			You might be on mute. Oh, am I
		
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			on mute? Is it on mute? Nope. I'm
		
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			not on mute. But, I I can, hopefully
		
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			recording. So thank you very much indeed for,
		
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			your extraordinary presentation.
		
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			Comprehensive,
		
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			detailed,
		
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			intelligible,
		
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			clear,
		
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			devastating at the end.
		
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			I almost I almost feel sympathetic,
		
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			Almost feel sympathetic for certain individuals that you
		
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			have,
		
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			devastatingly critiqued, or cited others who are critiquing
		
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			them.
		
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			Thank you, sir. Thank you very much for
		
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			this resource as well, which that's the whole
		
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			point of it really, isn't it? It is
		
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			a resource for, people in the weeks months,
		
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			maybe years to come to have the tools
		
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			and the information and the knowledge,
		
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			to push back against some of these more
		
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			extreme claims and and to be infused with
		
02:57:57 --> 02:57:58
			knowledge and,
		
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			a balanced understanding of historical and textual and
		
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			linguistic facts. So,
		
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			thank you very much indeed for that. And,
		
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			well, that well, that is it. I'm I'm
		
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			not gonna, say anymore because you've said it
		
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			all. So thank you very much.
		
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			Thank you, Paul. Thank you for the opportunity.
		
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			May Allah
		
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