Ali Ataie – How Radical Judaism was created Z!onist UNBIBLICAL End Times Prophecies Tied to Israel
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The speakers discuss the history and current context of the Bible, including its use in modern political and political environments and its historical significance. They emphasize the importance of understanding the Bible's principles and avoiding false teaching, as well as the dangerous stance of Christian nationalism. They also touch on the use of "ar passion" in the Bible and the misunderstandings of "ar passion" in modern political environments. The conversation concludes with a discussion of the trend of religious Zionism and the importance of protecting Christian rights and minimizing collateral damage in the face of mass fraud.
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We saw what happened with the revelation of
Maria. You know, this is the antichrist. So
I said to him, you know, these Palestinians
are Muslims and Christians. See, Eli went undercover
as a priest for a day. Dressed in
a robe, he walked through the old city
with Franciscan father, Alberto.
In the first five minutes, he was spat
at 5 times
by orthodox Jewish Israelis. According to the New
Testament, Christian Zionism is utter blasphem. People who
worship idols such as yourself,
when there is a Sanhedrin
to
kill us.
Yes. Okay. That's what the Torah says. Know
how the Jewish people feel about Christians. Yes?
James White. James White. Yeah. He That the
modern nation of Israel, 1948
onward
Israel, is anywhere in scripture.
So Ben Gavir used to have a picture
of Baruch Goldstein hanging in his living room.
Wow. Goldstein,
who in 1994 attacked the Ebrahimi mosque in
Hebron. So Zionism is a betrayal of the
old testament god and a betrayal of the
new testament god, both of them. Anything Israel
says is absolutely well, of course. You you
realize this is not a Christian nation.
These are not Christian people. They're primarily secular.
Zionism
as deployed by Israel is radical Judaism.
Greetings. Peace. Welcome to the Dean Sharmid, your
host. My next
guest, doctor Ali Attia. Doctor Ali Attia is
a PhD scholar of the bible and bible
interpretation.
He's an expert in the languages of the
bible, Hebrew and Greek.
So we wanted to bring on an expert
to help us understand this topic that we're
gonna be discussing in the light of what's
happening in Palestine.
Is there such a thing as radical Judaism?
What's this term, if I'm pronouncing it right,
mitzvah
528,
amongst other things?
So let's get right into this topic
with my next
guest,
doctor Ali.
Dish. Good. I love you very much. I'll
work. Continue on. When I was ready to
talk about this, I would only talk to
guests.
How are you? How are you doing?
Thank you. It's an honor to be here.
Thank you. It's an honor to have you
with us. You were saying something,
recently. I saw a clip. You were saying,
usually,
when you're given a presentation
and you can explain, you were talking and
giving a presentation about Islam, and then somebody
started to drill you about jihad. Was it?
Yeah. It's you know, after 9:11,
we do it all this, you know, in
interfaith work, going to churches, community centers.
And, yeah, that that was probably the most
popular question. What's jihad? What's jihad? And, you
know, we'd answer questions, and it feels like
we were constantly on the defensive. And,
and so I explained what jihad was and
this this Christian guy, you know, he kept
pushing back and he wanted to debate me
and he was disagreeing with me. So I
said to him, what's?
Right? And he says, well, I've never heard
of that. I said, that's interesting because that's
a it's a, it's a war policy in
the Bible. It's all over the Bible. How
do you pronounce that again?
Heteram. So it's h e r e m,
but it's like a hard guttural.
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. And I'll explain what it is.
Well, basically, it's it's total annihilation, total extermination,
genocide, if you will. Mhmm. That's mentioned many
times in the bible,
and there really is no sort of,
demand for an explanation when it comes to
things like this, but we're always sort of
on the back foot defending ourselves. You said
there is no demand for an explanation to
this, but we're always demanded to explain
jihad and some of the other
some of the other, verses that many of
the Islamophobes,
the hate in each industry, they pick and
choose, cherry pick, and put out a lot
of context and whatnot. I just wanna make
this disclaimer
because I, as Muslims, we are people who
are commanded to be just, to be fair.
So we don't play that game like the
Islamophobic
industry. Like, they'll take a small
segment or a fringe element, and they'll give
a fringe interpretation
to certain verses, and then they'll try to
the consensus will be on one side, but
then they'll try to push the majority of
people to have that,
Daesh or ISIS interpretation of Islam and try
to, you know, actually breeding. They'll be on
the side of almost, like, the the extremists
on one end, and then they'll put aside
all of the the mainstream
and and the the whole consensus of scholarship.
No. No. So here, if there if there
are rabbis and others who wanna come, we
want be on the side of people who
are promoting peace. So if you have other
would you say it's safe to say it?
There's rabbis and others who come and say,
no. This is not our teaching. We'll be
on the side with them to go ahead
and help to get these people out of
this extreme way of thinking so we can
actually have some tolerance and peace.
Of course. I mean, that's that's the,
that's part of what I'm gonna explain today
is how do how do, traditional authorities
amongst the Jews, how do they interpret these
verses in the bible? What is their application
today? Mhmm. Because it's very different than what
the Zionists are doing in in so called
Israel.
Bingo, beautiful. So please start us off. Thank
you so much. Yeah. So radical Judaism. Right?
This is a term that, you know, we
should,
start using, I think, because that's what we're
seeing right now. Radical Judaism is a dysfunctional
marriage, basically, an unholy union,
between modern orthodox Judaism and Zionism.
Radical Judaism is a perversion
of traditional Judaism.
So like I said, brother Eddie, in my
view, it's very, very important for Muslims, to
have a more comprehensive,
theological understanding of the present situation in Palestine.
We really need to step up our Before
before you keep going, I think a real
important point. I'm I'm marking this down. So
you you you put 2 ingredients together,
and you put Zionism in there, and that
then with those ingredients, then you can then
you came up with radical,
Judaism. So if someone do that repeat that,
please. Yeah. Modern Orthodox Judaism. Modern Orthodox.
With Zionism. With Zionism. So that's the ingredient
there. But Zionism equals
radicalism.
Okay. Go ahead. Yeah. Exactly. Thank you so
much. Yeah. So first of all, what what
is Zionism?
So this is a very common question. So
broadly speaking, Zionism is a,
a modern nationalistic movement, right, aimed at
reestablishing a Jewish homeland. Right? So the creation
of a Jewish ethno state, and this was
born in Europe. I mean, European antisemitism
gave birth to Zionism.
Historically,
Jews had a horrible time in in Christian
dominated countries in Europe. This is just a
a plain fact.
You know, there were pogroms,
exiles,
massacres, blood libels. The plague was blamed on
them at one point. When all of this
culminated,
in the holocaust.
The Jewish experience in in the Muslim world
was very different, however, if you look at,
like, Muslim Spain,
Muslim North Africa, Muslim Palestine. I mean, generally,
there was peace, prosperity,
tolerance. There was brotherhood. There was trust, not
to mention incredible scholarship.
Jewish, systematic theology
was born in Muslim lands.
Maimonides,
the great philosopher, the great theologian, he wrote
in Arabic. Sadia Gaon, the first, you know,
discursive theologian. He wrote in Arabic.
The the so called father of Zionism was
named Theodore Herzl. Right? Theodore Herzl. This is
the the prophet you can say that the
Zionists or the radical,
Judaism, people radical, they follow this prophet. They
don't it don't seem like they follow Moses.
Doesn't seem like yeah. Exactly. And it it
ironically, he he was an ethnically Jewish atheist.
He was
that was another thing I was gonna ask
you. Is it confirmed? He was actually oh
my god. He was an atheist. Yeah. He
was an atheist. Yeah. I always point out
the irony here. Right? Theodore means gift of
God. Right? How does a so someone who
now is the prophet of Zionism,
and now he's saying we're the chosen people
of God, but he's an atheist.
Yeah.
Strange. Very strange. Yeah. And so and so
Herzl was actually seriously considering
Argentina as being the Jewish homeland because he
did not have this romantic attachment to Palestine.
But and this and this is to your
question. As Zionist ideas were sort of in
the air as it were in Europe,
many religious Jews who are now considering the
Zionist project
did have a strong attachment to Palestine. And
so Zionist ideas were eventually appropriated
by orthodox thinkers and given a religiously sanctioned
makeover. So to put it bluntly,
Zionism is a hijacking
of orthodox traditional Judaism.
Okay? The vast majority of of Jewish thinkers
before World War 2 were vehemently anti Zionist.
Before the advent of Zionism,
for 100 and 100 and 100 of years,
Jews the world over believed based upon explicit
texts in the Tanakh, the Hebrew Bible. Okay?
They believed that their exile from the holy
land was justified,
that it was divinely
decreed due to their disobedience,
Jewish disobedience.
Right? In other words, the holy land or
the the promised land was given on a
condition.
So this is extremely important. It was conditional.
Obey God or else the land will reject
you and thrust you out. Right? That is
to say, God will thrust you out. So
no one other than God,
by means of the messiah
can initiate a return to the land.
Right? This is what all the Jews believed.
This is traditional Judaism.
Any attempt to reestablish the land through military
means was viewed as rebellion
against God. Mean, if you just read, for
example, Deuteronomy, so the 5th book of the
Torah, the Torah as we have it today,
it's called Deuteronomy. This is chapter 28
verse 63 and 64.
Okay. In Hebrew, this is called sefer Devarim.
And this is what it says in the
English translation, and it shall come to pass
just as it pleased the lord to make
you prosper and increase in number,
so it will please him to ruin and
destroy you. You will be uprooted from the
land you're entering to possess.
Right? This is a threat. This is called
a in Arabic. God is issuing a threat
to Bani Israel
to the Bani Israel.
You obey me or I will take you
out of this land. In 18/89,
a a prominent orthodox rabbi named Rabbi Joseph
Chaim Sonnenfeld, Rabbi Sonnenfeld.
This is what he had to say about
Herzl and his ideology. This is a famous
quote from Rabbi Sonnenfeld.
I'll just read it here. He says
he says, with regards to the Zionist,
what I,
what,
what I'm what am I to say? What
am I to speak? There is great dismay
also in the holy land that these evil
men
who who deny the unique one of the
world and his holy Torah have proclaimed with
so much publicity,
publicity that it is in their power to
hass redemption
for the people of Israel and to gather
the dispersed
from all the ends of the earth. They
have also asserted their view
that the whole difference in distinction between Israel
and the nations lies in nationalism, blood, and
race,
and that the faith and the religion are
superfluous.
Doctor Herzl comes not from the Lord, but
from the side of pollution.
Wow. That's rabbi Sonnenfeld. Now these are the
real practicing Jews. These are the real Real
Jew. This this is this is real Judaism.
So they're condemning now. They're condemning
this whole movement now, the Zionism that hijacked
Judaism.
Exactly. He's condemning Theodore Herschel, who's not doesn't
even believe in God. His principles are going
to be appropriated by orthodox elements. What you're
saying is identical to when I had I
don't know if you heard of rabbi Weisz.
I've had another other rabbi on, rabbi Shapiro,
another day saying exactly what you're saying.
Orthodox rabbis, same thing. This this is this
is the orthodox understanding for centuries.
There's another verse in Deuteronomy
21 to 30. So Moses is speaking to
the children of Israel and he says, for
I know that after my death, you will
utterly corrupt yourselves and turn aside
from the way which I have commanded you.
That's what you were talking about earlier, Eddie.
They're turning away from Moses. They're following another
prophet. And then he continues, and evil will
befall you in the latter days,
because you will do evil in the sight
of the lord to provoke him to anger
through the works of your hands. Deuteronomy 31,
30.
Right? They will do evil in the latter
days. So, yeah, I think it's very important
to draw a distinction between traditional Judaism
and Zionist Judaism, also known as radical Judaism.
Of course, even today, there are many orthodox
and conservative Jews, religious Jews, who vehemently
oppose Zionism on both theological and moral grounds.
They accuse Zionists
of exactly what we said, hijacking Judaism. They
have a motto. They say
in Hebrew, which means a Jew is not
a Zionist. So they actually anathematize
Zionist Jews. They they took fear of them.
Can you can you equate, like, so people
can better understand is, like, for Christians, if
the KKK
hijacked Christianity and they took over and they
were ruling right now. Exactly. Or if you
had Daish, you know, this Isis, they took
over and they were the majority.
Exactly. Same example here? Same thing. Yeah. Imagine
one of these violent groups, these these terroristic
groups. They basically took over, and they're and
they're
running a government.
You know, they're in power. That's what's happening.
But here's the dangerous thing, really dangerous, because
we anytime that small, small group comes up,
the Muslim scholarship, the Muslims
condemn them, they, you know, get rid of
them, whatnot. And
here, it's like people are now fueling them.
It's very, very strange. That's the strange thing.
Our promoting is
Yeah. Promoting it. Exactly. Yeah. So good. But
traditional Jews would say, no, there's a fundamental
incompatibility
between Judaism and Zionism. Mhmm. So one such
organization is called, International,
and their leaders are aligned with the Muslim
community on the issue of Palestine. They even
attend a major, like, conventions and events. They
go to, like, the RIS in Toronto. They
go to ISN.
ISNA. I mean, do we agree with everything
that they say? No. Of course not. They're
Jews and we're Muslims. Mhmm. Right? So so
this is what happened essentially.
Zionist ideas were, adopted and appropriated
by many orthodox leaders
starting in the early 20th century.
And then these ideas have grown, as you
said, in popularity among their segment.
And so Zionism
became a reform movement within modern orthodoxy.
And this is what I'm calling radical Judaism.
Why is it radical? Because Zionist Jews interpret
and apply
certain passages in the Torah,
certain mitzvot or commandments in the Torah in
extremely violent ways.
So these are interpretations
and applications that fly right into the face,
of the traditional understandings of the major rabbinical
authorities.
So let me let me give the viewers,
some some brief history then.
Yes, please. Just for the sake of context.
So in in 1917,
right, the British Empire
under general Allenby conquered Palestine
and and promised to give it to the
Jews, okay, to be their homeland. This is
called the Balfour Declaration.
Most people know about this. They wanted to
create a national home for the Jewish people
to quote it exactly.
Yeah. Arthur, Balfour was the foreign secretary under
David Lloyd George, who was the prime minister.
So so Jews from all over Europe began
pouring into Palestine, British mandate Palestine,
which obviously caused tension between the indigenous Arabs
and the newly arrived European Jews.
In the 19 twenties thirties,
various Jewish militia groups sprang up in Palestine.
Groups like Haganah
and Irgun.
These groups are terrorist groups. I mean, let's
call it like it is. These groups would
commit political violence,
atrocities,
and absolutely terrorize the Palestinians.
At some point in the 19 forties, the
British wanted to restrict
Jewish immigration,
to Palestine.
Of course, Irgun didn't like that, so they
blew up the King David Hotel Wow. In
1946.
That was the headquarters of the British. They
killed Muslims, Jews, Christians, men, women, and children.
And here's something interesting.
Menachem Begin, the the former prime minister, of
Israel was the was the former head of
the Irgun.
And after the Irgun, after 1948,
after Israel was established,
the Irgun became the IDF.
Right?
So it's a very interesting history. So in
1947 then, the British, they they kinda just
threw their hands up and left Palestine. I
mean, they left Palestine to the United Nations.
It's a UN problem now. Mhmm. So the
UN partition Palestine,
you know, you know, when, like, a European
colonizers left the Muslim countries in North Africa
Mhmm.
The people of those countries, the Algerians, the
Tunisians, etcetera, they resumed control of their own
land. Of course, it was their countries. But
in Palestine, there was a partition.
The Jews constituted about 1 third of the
population.
Most of them newly arrived,
yet they were offered 56%
of Palestine.
Okay? The Arabs who were the majority,
and lived there for centuries were offered 44%,
and neither group found this favorable. I mean,
the Israelis, they don't want an Arab majority.
They want a Jewish ethno state. Right? An
Arab majority totally contradicts this. Now starting in
March 1948,
Israeli militia groups, you know, these these terrorist
factions,
they put something called Plan Dalet
into action. So people should look this up,
Plan Dalet, d a l e t. That's
that's the letter Dal in in Hebrew. Uh-huh.
Right? Plan dalet.
And I highly recommend reading,
this book by Ilan Poppe. Alright? Very popular
book now. Ilan Pappe. Now he's a Jewish,
also Israeli historian. Correct? He's a he's an
Israeli journalist and historian. He wrote this fantastic
book, The Economist. That's an important point because
this is not coming from a Muslim perspective.
This is actually somebody who's Jewish Israeli historian
bringing these back. He is. The the the
ethnic cleansing of Palestine. Mhmm. And he describes
what they did. What did Plan Dhalla do?
It displaced 750,000
Palestinians. Wow. It forced them to leave Palestine
or forced them into Gaza, which, of course,
became a huge open air concentration camp. 500
villages were destroyed,
And there were many reports of multiple massacres,
indiscriminate killing
of men, women, and children. For example, the
Deir Yassin
massacre. There was a massacre at Haifa. There
was a massacre at Jaffa.
Israel declared itself a state on May 14,
1948,
and then the UN formally recognized Israel on
May 11, 1949.
And the Palestinian territories until this day continue
to be under occupation,
and continue to shrink. And Palestinians continue to
live as second class citizens,
in their own country. You know, interestingly, in
1994, an Israeli terrorist,
okay, and Jewish radical named Baruch Goldstein, just
Google Baruch Goldstein.
I mean, we forget about these people, well,
we shouldn't forget history. He massacred 29 Palestinians
who were worshiping at Masjid Ibrahim alaihis salam.
Enter the mosque, waited for worshipers to kneel
down in prayer, and then started shooting.
Baruch Goldstein killed 29 people and injured more
than 120.
One witness described how there were bodies and
blood everywhere.
I think that, his act brought a lot
of,
security to the Jewish people here in Hebron.
Goldstein's grave is often visited by supporters, and
his tomb stone reads, he gave his life
for the people of Israel, its Torah, and
land. Under the pretext of securing the settlers
who lived in the old city and preventing
more violence, the Israeli army imposed a 2
week curfew on all of Hebron's Palestinians.
It made the area around the Ebrahimi mosque
permanently off limits to everyone except settlers and
foreign tourists.
The old city is now cut off from
the rest of Hebron by dozens of Israeli
checkpoints. Basically, the settlers won. In Hebron, in
Al Khaleel,
they were worshiping.
This this is in the occupied West Bank.
Right? This happened at Salat al Fajr in
Ramadan.
Right? 29 men, women, and children killed, another
130 injured. Goldstein was born in Brooklyn,
and he moved to Israel in 1983 after
becoming radicalized. He was a member of a
radical Jewish movement
called the Kach party.
The Kach party, very guttural. It's founded in
1971.
This party was banned in Israel in 1994
and declared a terrorist organization.
And while the majority of Israelis today condemn
Goldstein
for being the terrorist that he was, a
minority of Jewish radicals praise him. They continue
to make an annual pilgrimage
to his gravesite.
Right? Someone who killed prostrating children.
It actually says on his tomb. This is
what it says. It's chiseled on his tomb.
It says the reverend
doctor Baruch Kapel Goldstein Wow. Son of Israel,
He gave his soul for the sake of
the people of Israel, the Torah, and the
land. His hands are clean,
and his heart is good.
Disturbingly,
Goldstein's ideology has recently made a comeback.
There is this far right party in Israel.
It's called
in Hebrew.
Means Jewish power. Mhmm. And in 2022,
the leader of this party, Itamar ben Gavir,
became minister
of national security under Netanyahu.
So Ben Gavir used to have a picture
of Baruch Goldstein
hanging in his living room. Wow.
In 2007,
Ben Gavir was convicted of incitement to terrorism.
His attempts at joining the right wing Knesset
list under former prime minister Naftali Bennett were
initially quashed because of his long standing support
for convicted terrorist, Baruch Goldstein,
who in 1994
attacked the Ebrahimi mosque in Hebron, killing 29
Muslim worshipers.
Bangavir famously hung a photo of Goldstein in
his living room, which he eventually removed to
improve his chances of forming political alliances and
became a Knesset member in 2021.
Goldstein is his hero.
And now this is the person that is
in the cabinet. Now he's in the cabinet.
He's he's in the cabinet. Yeah. He's part
of the the the parliament of,
the the people who are in power right
now. Wow. His his ideology, Goldstein's ideology is
now the mainstream
in Israel.
Okay? This is very disturbing. Now
I also wanna say a few things about,
the idea of a Christian Zionist.
Okay? So these these two words should never
be an opposition to each other. It's a
total
oxymoron. Christian Zionism. Christian Zionism. Totally totally oxymoron.
Oxymoron. Like like, you know, jumbo shrimp, 4
sided triangle. Uh-huh. Right? This whole concept
of a Christian Zionist is absolutely mind boggling,
and I'll tell you why. I'll tell you
why it boggles the mind. So so part
and parcel to the Zionist project from a
Jewish religious standpoint
is the construction of the 3rd temple,
right, on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. Of
course, the the first temple was built by
Solomon
Suleiman
around 1000 BCE. It was destroyed by the
Babylonians in 586
under Nebuchadnezzar.
The second temple was built, around 5 15
BCE.
So this is when the Israelites returned from
Babylonian captivity. They were released by Cyrus.
And then the 2nd temple was destroyed in
70 of the common era by the Romans,
okay, under general Titus.
Now,
Jewish Zionist want to build the 3rd temple.
Now it is clearly unambiguously,
unequivocally against
the teachings of the New Testament
for a Christian to support the construction of
a third temple in Jerusalem. For a Christian
to do this is to commit clear cut
blasphemy.
Repeat that again. Repeat that again. This is
very, very important. So you said that it
is totally against?
It is absolute blasphemy Blasphemy. For for a
Christian For Christian for a Christian to support
the building of a third temple in Jerusalem
according to the New Testament.
Okay? And yet there are 1,000,000 upon 1,000,000
of Christian Zionists around the world. They donate
1,000,000 of dollars to something called the Temple
Institute in Jerusalem.
You know?
In fact, the vast majority of Zionists are
actually Christians. They're not they're not even Jewish.
Okay. So a Christian said a Christian who's
been programmed now and with this, what I
call it is forced. They're trying to force
profit prophecy. Instead of letting it come naturally,
they're trying to force this. And the Christian,
like, who's been pre been programmed by this,
he says, how? Explain to me. Explain to
me. How is that blasphemy in in Sure.
Well, in in the New Testament, Jesus himself
is the new temple. Okay? So the gospel
of John begins
with the prologue. It's called the hymn to
the logos. In the beginning was the word,
the word was with God, the word was
God. And then it continues. It says, and
the word became flesh and dwelt among us.
Right? And interestingly, the Greek I can read
the Greek here,
So,
the verb here eskenosin in Greek, it comes
from the the Greek word skene, which means
a tent or a canopy. So you see
in the old testament,
the with what's known as the kavod, right,
the presence of God, it dwelled in the
tent of meeting.
This is called the mish khan in Hebrew.
This is the tabernacle, sort of the portable,
you know, tent in the wilderness
at the time of Moses and Joshua. Moses
would go inside the tabernacle to speak to
God.
Now, of course, this indwelling of God was
figurative. It wasn't it wasn't literal. So this
tent was the prototype of the first temple
built by Solomon
400 years later. So the temple honorifically
is called the house of God. Right? Beth
El, Beitullah,
again, in this kind of figurative sense. The
the temple housed God's spirit in this figurative
sense. But what does John say in the
prologue?
The word became flesh and tented himself among
us. In other words, Jesus is the new
mishkan,
the new tent that houses the kavod,
the presence of God. In the very next
chapter, John chapter 2, we read that the
Jews said to Jesus, what sign can you
give us? And Jesus says, this is a
Johannan Jesus, the New Testament Jesus. This is
not Esa alayhis salam. This is the Jesus
of Christian scripture.
Jesus of the Christian scripture says, destroy this
temple, and I'll raise it up in 3
days.
And then the Jews said, what? It took
46 years to build this temple. You're going
to raise it in 3 days? Right? And
then the author, John says, but he spoke
of the temple of his body.
You see? So the Hebrew word for temple
is heikal. It's it also means body.
The new testament Jesus is saying that he
is the new temple.
For Christians to support the construction of a
third temple in Jerusalem is to deny
the New Testament Jesus. Jesus replaces the temple
according to the New Testament.
And I and I've had I just recently
had a pastor on he was, with the
CNN
anchor. He was on CBN.
He was,
he's with
he's somebody who's also I asked him this
question, how did this happen, this Christian Zionism?
And he took me back,
with the Scofield Bible. Even before that, John
Nelson Darby.
And then from there, they put these teachings
it well, it was a con man. This
con man who was in jail, this,
Cyrus Scofield,
and then he put all these John Darby's
teachings
into the bible, things that are way out
there, extreme teachings from Christianity. He he put
them in and it was funded actually. He
talks about how this was funded
by Zionism,
and they put these interpretations in the footnotes.
You know about this?
Yeah. Exactly. The Scofield Bible is notorious.
So this is something that's quite recent.
But, you know, once you have doctor, you
just had so this is one pastor. This
is not just us talking about it. I
just wanna hit this point. You had, just
recently also, you probably know him. He's one
of the leading, Christian scholars, bible scholars here
in America, doctor White, James White. James White.
Yeah. He just came out, and he's also
saying exact exactly almost what you're saying. I'm
sorry,
but I have never seen anyone, including my
dear brother, Michael Brown, present any kind of
meaningful biblical argument
that the modern nation of Israel, 1948
onward Israel,
is anywhere in scripture. Sorry. I I know
it's extremely popular,
but it just
you you can't defend it biblically. That this
Christian Zionism is totally,
antithetical
to
to Christianity. No. I've seen this come and
go. I've seen people saying you just need
to look to what the Bible says to
be able to discern what's happening in the
Middle East, and the the 10 nations of
the European Union is a 10 headed beast,
and that means this is gonna happen.
Yeah. Yeah. Been there, done that, got the
T shirt,
and have come to realize that's a really
foolish way of doing exegesis. This attitude is
dangerous.
It's dangerous. But, yeah, somebody pulled the wool
over the eyes of the Christians because, you
know, I was gonna say, what what can
the average Christian do? He doesn't know what's
actually happening behind the scenes of the Bible.
When he goes to the bookstore, he picks
up a Bible, he starts reading it.
And so now we have
Zionist Jews rebelling against God's decree of exile,
and we have Christian,
Zionists rebelling against God's pronouncement that he is
the temple. Of course, they believe that Jesus,
is the temple.
There's a sign, in in Israel, the modern
Israelis put it up right,
near the temple mount. It says the divine
presence never moves from the western wall,
okay,
which is very interesting because no Christian on
earth, if he wants to follow the teachings
of the New Testament, can ever agree
with such a statement. It is absolute blasphemy.
Even the the Catholic catechism,
it says Christ is a true temple of
God, the place where his glory dwells. So
Christian Zionism is a betrayal of the New
Testament Jesus.
Christian Zionism,
so Zionism is a betrayal of the Old
Testament God and a betrayal of the New
Testament God, both of them. Anything Israel says
is absolutely well, of course.
It's like
you you you you realize this is not
a Christian nation. These are not Christian people.
They're primarily secular.
And so they now have religious infallibility because
of your
really, really, really modern eschatology?
This is this is not sound biblical reasoning
at all. It's dangerous. It's scary.
You know? Then here's another thing. In John,
and I mentioned this, as well recently in
another,
lecture
that, the author of the gospel of John,
who's anonymous,
he actually moved the day of the crucifixion
one day ahead.
Right? So in the in the Matthew, Mark,
and Luke, the synoptic gospels, Jesus is crucified
on the day of Passover, but John actually
moved it to the previous day, the day
of the preparation of the Passover.
So in other words, there's a the first
problem here is there's a clear contradiction in
the gospels. I mean, certainly, Jesus was not
crucified twice. Mhmm. This is an irreconcilable
contradiction. I mean, from our perspective, he wasn't
even crucified once. Right? But that's a that's
a different, podcast.
But but why did John do that? Why
did John move up the day of the
crucifixion?
Well, this is because,
the lambs in the temple were being slaughtered
at that time.
Now in the gospel of John, only in
John do we find that a Roman Centurion
actually impaled the side of Jesus
when he was, when he was on the
cross. And it says from which came forth
blood and water.
Right? So what's the significance of that?
Well, on the on the on that very
day, at that very moment,
the lambs were being slaughtered for the Passover
in the temple. Right? The priests of the
temple, the kohanim, they would open a side
gate in the temple, and they would wash
out the blood with water. Blood and water
would gush forth from the side of the
temple. So you see what John is doing
here in his gospel. He's depicting Jesus
as both lamb and temple.
Jesus is the new temple according to the
New Testament. Christian Zionism is utter blasphemy. Do
do they have also from here, they're shipping
out calves like they're making red calves. Have
you heard of this? And they're trying to
shipping them here from America down there. This
is also to try to fulfill that prophecy?
Yeah. So in order for the, the temple,
rituals to be purified, in order for the,
the priest to be purified,
in order to actually work in the temple,
they need to purify,
the water of the temple with the ashes
of a 3 year old perfect red heifer.
Uh-huh. This is mentioned, I believe, in the
book of Leviticus.
So, currently, there's I think there's 4 or
5 of them that are
actually brought into Israel. They were I think
they're actually from Texas, and they may have
been genetically modified. Yeah.
Yes. So I think they're as far as
I know, the last time I checked in
October,
I think all 5 of them are still
blemish free.
You know. So these are like a Frankenstein,
prophecies they're trying to make.
Frankenstein. Yeah. I mean, they're I mean, they're
gonna they're gonna push hard to make these
things, you know, to self fulfill these things,
right? Yeah. It's very interesting.
But there there's another verse in,
and and Muslims should make a note of
this in 1st John 222. So this is
the first epistle of John. This is not
the gospel of John, Although it's sort of
the same, you know, Christology.
1st John chapter 2 verse 22.
The author says, who is the liar but
he who denies that Jesus is the Christ?
And then it goes on to say in
the Greek, this
is the antichrist. The one who denies that
Jesus is the Messiah is the antichrist.
This is the new testament.
This is the teaching of the new testament.
This is not my opinion. You know, this
is not what the Quran says. This is
not what the Hadid says. This is a
new testament. And and Eddie, I'll tell you
a true story. Whoever repeat that again before
you go. Whoever
Whoever denies that Jesus is the Messiah. We
don't deny Jesus is the Messiah. Yeah. Exactly.
We believe he's the Messiah. Exactly. So I'll
tell you a funny story. I was in
a coffee shop years ago, and,
I was I was, I was studying for
I was doing something with my dissertation. So
I had a Quran and a Bible on
my table,
and this was something like crazy early in
the morning, like, 6:30 in the morning or
something like that. And there's a long line
forming behind me, and there was a, a
gentleman behind me with his wife,
who looks over my shoulder and says, oh,
you have these 2 books on your table?
I said, yeah. He said, one of them
is from God and one is from Satan.
Wow. So I so I said, oh, okay.
I mean, it's kinda early in the morning
for this, but, you know, we'll tell let's
talk. And he said, oh, which one's from
God? And he pointed to the Bible. And
I said, okay. So this one's from Satan.
The Quran's from Satan. He said, yeah. And
so why do you say that? And he
said, Well, you know, the Bible teaches that
those who oppose Israel will be accursed.
Right? Anyone who opposes Israel will be cursed.
You know, this kind of Scofield Bible line.
And so he's he goes on to say,
these Palestinians in Israel, right,
they're all antichrist, and he used that word
antichrist.
So I said to him, the Palestinians are
antichrist? And he said, yes.
And I said, does the Bible say that
the Palestinians are antichrist? Does it actually use
that word? He says, no, but whoever opposes
Israel is accursed.
So I said, well, you know, the New
Testament does mention the antichrist.
Let's read 1st John 222. And I read
this verse, whoever does not, you know,
the one who denies that Jesus is the
Messiah, you know, this is the antichrist. So
I said to him, you know, these Palestinians
are Muslims and Christians.
You know who they believe the Messiah is?
It's Jesus Christ. It's Jesus of Nazareth, peace
be upon him. But these Israelis don't. So
who's the antichrist? And I remember he became
so enraged.
I mean, he literally tried to physically attack
me. His wife had to hold him back.
But you're telling the truth. The truth shall
set you free.
Exactly. You're bringing evidence. That's the gospel of
John too. Yeah. But it seems like people
don't wanna be
led to the truth. They wanna stick in
their bubble and believe these fake prophecies and
these fake interpretations.
Well, that's what it is. It's called cognitive
dissonance. Right? So so when your beliefs are
suddenly falsified and you have no rejoinder,
you know, you just you have to you
don't know what to you some people, they
fight. Some people, they fly. Right? Because they
don't know what to do with that tension.
They don't know how to resolve that tension.
So the so the rapture, this whole thing
that also is connected to that, this is
a fake teaching. Right? This is false. The
rapture is a later teaching. It's based on
something Paul says. We're gonna be caught up
in clouds with the Lord. Yeah. But it
seems like Paul is saying, they're sort of
gonna levitate and sort of meet Jesus as
he's descending and then descend down to earth.
Uh-huh. You know, this idea that you're gonna
sort of just disappear. This is a later
teaching completely. This was this pastor was telling
me the same thing. This is another thing
that they use. This was in the Scofield
reference. They added this and this Yeah. This
is something
that that's also, there's a there's a whole
there's a whole series called Left Behind. This
very popular evangelical set of books, and they
made
movies. And I mean, it's all based on
this. Basically, it's a bidah
in Christianity.
But yeah,
the the Jews are no longer chosen people.
This to say that they are is is
also a bita. This is a clear teaching
in the New Testament. The New Testament advances
what's known as replacement
theology.
Okay. It's also called covenantal supersessionism.
So what does that mean? So supersessionism
is this idea
that the Christian church has superseded the nation
of Israel as God's covenant people. You know,
it's very clear. So there's that verse in
Genesis
12:3. So Christian Zionists, they love this verse,
Genesis 12:3,
where God says to Abraham, and I will
bless them that bless you and curse them
that curse you. Right? So they take this
to me and they take this to me.
This is a clear one of very, very
important,
Christian Zionist teachings here. This is where we
see a lot of politicians and put this
on. Repeat that one again. This is their
bread and butter. Bread and butter. Chapter 12
verse 3. Uh-huh. I will bless them that
bless you and curse them that curse you.
Right? And so they take this to mean
that they have to bless Abraham and his
chosen seed, the Israelites,
or else God will curse them. So in
their minds, it follows them that if they
don't bless and support the modern state of
Israel,
then God won't bless them. So this is
what they say. And you know what's really
interesting about this is that in order for
a Christian to immigrate to Israel,
he must renounce Christianity.
Israel will gladly accept
his Christian money
with a big smile. Mhmm. But in order
for a Christian to move to Israel, that
Christian has to admit
that Jesus of Nazareth, peace be upon him,
was a false prophet
and a pseudo messiah. He's got apostate become
apostate now. In order to move to Israel.
Yeah. But this is what the Christian Zionists
are saying. We have a religious duty to
love and support Israel. This is totally contradictory
to the new test. Just read Paul of
Tarsus. So Paul is the principal author of
the New Testament. 13 of the 27 books
of the New Testament are explicitly attributed to
Paul. And Paul is a supersessionist
to his core. And listen to what Paul
says. This is Galatians
chapter 3 verse 16. Okay? And here Paul
is actually commenting upon God's covenant with Abraham
in Genesis.
This is what he says. He says the
promises were spoken to Abraham and to his
seed. And of course here, the Christian Zionist
will say amen.
But Paul continues,
scripture does not say, and to his seeds,
plural, meant meaning many people,
but, and to your seed, singular, meaning
one person
who is Christ. So according to Paul, okay,
God in Genesis was only referring to Jesus
Christ as being Abraham's seed.
Only Jesus is blessed, not the Israelites, and
certainly not the modern state of Israel. Now
Paul goes on to say in Galatians
chapter 3 verse 28, there is neither
Jew or Greek,
there is neither bond nor free, there is
neither male or female, for you are all
one in Christ Jesus.
If you belong to Christ,
then you are Abraham's seed, Galatians 329.
If you belong to Christ,
then
this is called a conditional statement. And in
the Greek, it's conditional.
A,
spelled Epsilon in
Greek is a conditional particle.
If you belong to Christ,
he says,
then you are considered Abraham's seed. So Christians
are the new chosen people according to the
new testament. Mhmm. You are only chosen and
blessed if you believe in Jesus.
I mean, of course, that's what Paul is
saying. Paul is a Christian.
If you read first Thessalonians
chapter 2 verse 14, this is written by
Paul. This is his earliest letter. Listen to
what Paul says in first Thessalonians 2 14
and 15. I'll just quote it here. For
you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God's
churches in Judea,
which are now in Christ Jesus. You suffered,
you suffered from your own people, the same
things those churches suffered from the Jews
who both killed
the lord Jesus and the prophets
and drove us out and displease God and
oppose
all mankind.
This is Paul describing the Jews. This is
not the Quran. This is not, you know,
some Hadith.
No. I'm sure that Christian apologist can defend
these things, but why is it that we
don't hear these defenses
ever? Mhmm. They just pretend like these verses
don't exist. We never hear about them, but
we have to do our homework. You know,
are are the Jews who wrote the Talmud
still chosen and beloved by God according to
the Christians, according to Christian Zionist? Are are
the Jews still the apple of God's eye
who cursed and slandered
Jesus and his mother, Mary, in the Talmud?
There's a book by Peter Schaeffer. This is
published by Princeton University. It's called Jesus in
the Talmud. Just read what the rabbis
or don't read,
you know, I wouldn't read it actually. Just
take my word for it. It'll make your
skin crawl.
You won't believe it.
You know, the the analogy I use is
if you went into, like, a closet for
24 hours and just sat there like this
for 24 hours and thought of the most
depraved and demeaning
and dehumanizing thing you can possibly say about
another human being, it won't even talk what
the rabbi said about Jesus and Mary in
the in the Talmud. It's one thing it's
one thing now coming from you now. They
say, oh, you're biased. You're Muslim.
But if we can would you mind if
we can show an actual rabbi talking about
what you're saying? Yeah. Go go for it.
Yeah. Sure. Why it's not dreams of all
kinds of that
had a dream or it's a revelation.
We saw what happened with the revelation of
Maria.
2000 years of suffering came to the world.
Christian inquisitions,
Spain, Portugal, Holocaust,
pogroms
from a dream of a prostitute
who cheated on her husband.
From that,
2,000,000,000
people today
follow this idol
named Jesse.
Why?
One dream.
A lot of dreams.
The people that live in illusion even when
they're awake, not when they sleep. When they
awake, they
Man, there I had a version when he
he was, talking about,
Mary the mother, Miriam.
Yeah. About,
Jesus' mother.
Yeah. The Quran tells us.
The Quran tells us these things. The Quran
is,
you know, it's a it's a revelation that
tells us and this is like sort of
specialized knowledge. I mean, how did the prophet
sallallahu alaihi wasallam? Of course, he didn't write
the Quran, but, you know, they they say
he he wrote the Quran or he he
came up with the verses of the Quran.
How did he know something like this? Something
so specialized that you can only get from
sort of oral tradition or from the Talmud.
Mhmm. But the Quran tells us,
for their disbelief and that they uttered something
monstrous
about about Mary.
You know, he's this is this is what
this is how she's described,
in the Talmud. And what why why is
prophet Mohammed, peace and blessing be upon him,
why is he honoring
why is he if he's trying to win
favor with those people at that time there,
why is he honoring Jewish woman? Why would
he do that? Why? Yeah. Why would he
deny the crucifixion? That's the thing. It's like,
if he's okay. So Jews and Christians, they
both believe Jesus was crucified.
So why is he making this? Why is
he creating an unnecessary roadblock to conversion by
saying Jesus was crucified? The reason why he's
saying Jesus wasn't crucified is because it is
historically a fact
that Jesus wasn't crucified. That's why he's saying
it. It's a fact.
And we can get into some of the
evidence of that maybe in a later show,
but he's not trying to benefit himself here.
He's just stating a fact because he's receiving
Wahi.
Right? So Zionism is Zionism is total kufur.
I mean, if you look at, like,
the spearhead
of the,
of the Protestant movement, Martin Luther.
Right? Martin Luther, the the famous Protestant reformer,
he wrote a book called on the Jews
and their lies.
Right? And this was something he wrote later
in his life. This is not something he
wrote when he was younger, and then he
went back and thought about it. Well, maybe
I shouldn't say this. This is one of
the last things he wrote. You'll be shocked
to your core
what he says about the Jews. I mean,
talk about anti semitism.
This is absolutely remarkable. It's it's it's it's
so disgusting. What do you say if someone
right now? They're like, okay. This guy, you
know, you brought on this antisemite now. Have
you because you're bringing these things up. You're
criticizing here, and you're bringing some things as
part of the teachings. Are you one of
those anti semite? How do you address that?
I well, the interesting thing is somebody actually
said to me, I think you're an anti
Semite. And I said, you know, the the
most beloved human being to in in the
entire universe to me was a Semite.
The most beloved human beings to me, plural,
a
100 and some odd
1,000 a
124,000, many of them were Semites,
because the Arabs are also Semites.
So the fact that they're excluding the Arabs
or the majority of the Semites from the
term anti Semite is in and of itself
anti Semitic.
Mhmm. Why don't you include Arabs?
Because you're an anti Semite, maybe.
Good point. Good point. So just to close
on this this part just go ahead and
finish. What were you gonna say? Yeah. I
was gonna say, I I learned Hebrew,
because
Judaism to me, traditional Judaism is a beautiful
religion. I think it's a it's a spiritual
religion. I think there's has a lot of
in common
with with Islam. I have,
Jewish,
colleagues that I learned from, that I benefit
from, that I highly respect. Mhmm. So this
is just it's a red herring. You know?
You're an anti Semite. You know? It's it's
completely ridiculous. Mhmm. You know? But, yeah, just
to finish,
this this section here on Christian Zionism, just
the conclusion is zizim
Zionism is according to the New Testament.
Right? It's it's That means
so that's blasphemy.
It's total blasphemy.
It's total blasphemy. Maybe I'll just give you
one more here. In the gospel of John,
you know, Jesus is having this debate,
with the with the Jews it says. It
doesn't even say scribes and Pharisees anymore, you
know, John is just, you know, he's they're
they're they're Jews. Right?
And he says to them, if you were
Abraham's seed,
you would do the works of Abraham.
And then he says, no. You're not the
children of Abraham. You're children of your father,
the devil.
Right? So that that's the New Testament Jesus.
That's not the Quran. That's not the Hadith.
This is the teaching of the New Testament.
Okay? The author of John says that Jesus
said this who to Jews who believed in
him. They believed in him somehow,
but not all the way. Right? Maybe they
didn't believe that he was divine or something.
So, the New Testament Jesus,
the Johann and Jesus says, you're children of
Satan.
And then in Romans 6, this is a
really important one. Romans chapter
6 and Hebrews chapter 10.
Okay? Paul says that Jesus' sacrifice
for sin was the be all end all
sacrifice.
Okay?
So according to the New Testament, Jesus is
the ultimate temple, he is the ultimate high
priest, and he's the ultimate sacrifice. This is
New Testament Christianity.
Yet Christian Zionists
fully support the 3rd temple,
okay, where sin sacrifices will return one day
according to Jewish messianism.
How can followers of the New Testament Jesus
and Paul of Tarsus support this and call
themselves Bible believing Christians?
It doesn't make any sense. Again, Christian Zionist,
an oxymoron. It's like saying open secret, original
copy, living dead. Doesn't make any sense. So
we'll close on this one here. So this
is for the 1st 1800 years of Christian
history.
Christian had no concept of this pre tribulation,
this rapture,
this whole
thing now that's coming, that's become popular, and
then the pastor, that I that I interviewed,
and then you had the James the doctor
James White, and many are coming who out
who are who also were programmed with this,
but it's linked to this this con artist
Scofield.
And then,
I believe in the story that the pastor
is telling me, he was funded
by a Zionist attorney.
And this Zionist attorney invited him to this
Lotus Club in New York.
He was it was something that was very
expensive, only invite only, and then he they
they flew him out to UK, to the
Oxford, Oxford,
Publishing.
They got him a book deal, and they
pushed a million of these copies for free,
he was telling me, for free into the
colleges, into the church into the churches,
and then it kicked off even more with,
books like,
it was a book. It kinda die it
it didn't really go much anywhere, but then
there was this book in 19 seventies, Hail,
Lindsay,
the the late great planet Earth. Have you
heard of this book? It sold 4 40,000,000
copies, and then they had a series on
this. It was, like,
sold,
a video series that sold, like, 80,000,000 copies,
and it and it pushed this whole thing,
end of time prophecies, the tribulation. So what
we're getting from you, what we're getting from
the pastors and other,
academics that
this is, like you said, an oxymoron.
This is something that was pushed in the
sky from this con artist, the Scofield by
reference bible,
and this is totally against Christianity, and it's
not biblical at all.
At all. Yeah.
Zionism is a contradiction.
Because the the reason this is so important,
because I can see Christians who preach Jesus,
the prince of peace. We love Jesus. We
we believe he was a man of peace.
We love him. You can't be a Muslim
unless you love him and revere him as
a mighty messenger.
And now they're probably torn within their hearts.
They're seeing these children. They're being massacred at
genocide, but they think it's part of their
creed now. They think it's sinful
to reject to something that's sort of it's
an internal struggle. So, hopefully, when they see
this,
oh, they can breathe and say, now they
can speak up and condemn this because it's
not an actual blasphemous to actually believe this.
It's total blasphemous. Yeah. So we're actually helping
the Christians here big time, man, to to
to go with their heart, to go with,
humanity. This is a human thing now. Yeah.
Exactly.
Be on the right side of history.
The right side. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Now let's
get into some of this, this herem stuff
here. So I wanna preface by saying that,
after after 9/11,
for those of us that remember,
a group of really anti Muslim sort of
warmongering
profligates
kind of emerged in the public discourse. And
they were they were actually paid handsomely by
these neocon think tanks. So what they would
do is they would quote the Quran, there's
a verse in the Quran in particular which
is called Ayatul Saif, although the word safe
sword does not appear anywhere in the Quran,
but this verse is called Ayat o Saif,
it's chapter 9 verse 5 of the Quran.
So these profligates,
they try to convince the American people and
the entire west by extension,
that Muslims believe in unmitigated perpetual
warfare against unbelievers. That the Quran orders all
Muslims to kill every non Muslim on the
planet, man, woman, and child because the Quran
says kill the idolaters wherever you find them
in that verse. And if Muslims deny this,
they're just lying. It's called tafia.
Right, prudential concealment.
And there were popular TV shows like 2,003,
2,004,
2005, trying to justify a war, right, these
popular TV shows where they would depict,
you know, the seemingly normal and peaceful Muslim
family next door
who are really just terrorists. You know, this
is absolutely despicable.
And and this is how these so called
wars of terror against Muslims were justified
for the Western public.
I mean, some 4,700,000
Muslims
have been killed in these wars of terror
in the last 20 years in Afghanistan,
in Iraq,
in Syria. So this is just based on
a lie. It's a blood libel.
And the Jewish people, they understand well
the power of a blood libel. So in
medieval Europe okay, check this out. In medieval
Europe,
the Christians made up the infamous lie
that Jews kidnap and kill Christian children
and use their blood for magical rituals and
in the making of the unleavened
Passover bread.
People can look this up. Look up William
of Norwich,
Simon of Trent. Right?
Some of these children were even canonized by
the Catholic church.
This was a common libel in England, in
France, in Spain, in Germany. This lie contributed
to massive persecution
of European Jewry. I mean, Edward the first
eventually
ex exiled the entire population, Jewish population,
from England in in 12 90, but it
was all a lie. You know? It's like
saying you know, like they say, Muslims Muslims
decapitate innocent babies. This is a total blood
libel.
But back to Ayatul Saif, I just wanted
to touch on this. Yes. When we look
at the context of this verse in the
Quran.
Right? So I tell I tell the students,
I say, the the first three rules of
tafsir,
right, of Koranic exegesis
is,
is context. The second rule is context, and
the third rule is context.
Right? Just like they say the the first
three rules of real estate are location, location,
location.
So when we look at this verse in
the Quran, it's plain and obvious meaning.
It's very clear that the Quran is referring
to pagan Arabs in the Hejaz in the,
Arabian Peninsula who broke their treaty with the
Muslims. They were given 4 months to leave
or face retaliation from the Muslims. And the
Quran goes to say, if at any time
a mushrik asks for asylum from the Muslims,
he must be granted asylum. This is according
to the passage in Surat Sotoba.
Take him to a place of safety, recite
the Quran to him, and if he refuses
Islam, then take him to the border and
release him. So so 95 has a locative
condition. It it's it's tied
to a a place. It applies to the
Hejaz, the heartland of Islam, right, the cities
of Mecca and Medina. There could be no
outward idolatry
in these places. Okay.
So no killing of the innocent is mentioned.
No killing of women and children is ever
mentioned. No destroying
buildings and livestock and infrastructure.
And if a handful of Muslim ignorant Muslim
extremists invoke this verse as a justification for
the killing of civilians,
then they stand condemned.
Right? These are called
These are extremists. They have to twist and
turn
the Quran and Sunnah to coincide with their
deviance. Right? Show show me where the prophet
himself, sallallahu alaihi sallam, ordered the killing of
women and children.
Nowhere.
Now there is a war policy
mentioned and explicitly described in the Tanakh several
times. It's called herem.
People should know this word, h e r
e m.
H e r e m, harem. Yeah. It's
act it's actually related to the word haram
in Arabic. And when it translates, what's it
mean?
So I'll get to the the the definitions
right here. So where is this mentioned? It's
mentioned in Exodus, Deuteronomy, Joshua, 1st Samuel. It's
all over the place. Okay? So, the definition
according to academic sources,
so the strong's concordance,
okay, it says, to
ban, devote,
destroy utterly,
completely destroy,
dedicate for destruction,
exterminate.
Exterminate. That's that's the strongest concordance.
Now the lexicon that is used in Western
seminaries is called the BDB,
the Brown Driver Briggs
Hebrew and English Lexicon. This is the one
I used when I was a graduate student,
the BDB Lexicon.
And this is how it defines herem,
to exterminate
the massacre of all inhabitants.
Okay? Then you have Gisenias. Gisenias' Hebrew Caldi
Lexicon was used before the BDB.
Kedem, to extirpate, which means to eradicate,
to destroy utterly.
So, what's an example
of kedem in the Bible? Well, we go
to Deuteronomy chapter 20 verse 16.
Deuteronomy
2016.
So here, God is telling Moses, and the
cities that God gave to the Israelites
as an inheritance,
right, the promised land,
that all living things of these cities,
all living things must be exterminated.
Okay? In the very words of the text,
it says
in Hebrew, you shall save nothing alive that
breathes.
And it goes on to say, you shall
utterly destroy the Hittites, the Amorites, the Canaanites,
the Perizzites, the Hivites, the Jebusites,
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee
Aviv. So this is total extermination
explicitly ordered by the text,
genocide
explicitly ordered by the text, and it's plain
and obvious meaning. You don't have to twist
and turn it. This is what it says
on the surface.
So I mentioned the conquest
did I mention I didn't mention the conquest
of Mecca, or the conquest of the prophet
Muhammad, he came into Mecca.
He declared a general amnesty. He was well
within his rights to punish the entire city.
You can't so is it true that you
cannot find one text now in the Quran
or the statements authentic statements of Prophet Muhammad
where he's talking about harming innocent children, innocent
civilians?
No. Nothing like this. There's nothing in our
tradition. This is this is considered to be
according
to Tawato. This is multiply attested.
Women and children, civilians, they're never
targeted.
This is absolutely
dependent. What you're saying, it goes back to,
okay, we're saying that, but can we give
us live example?
Yeah. So the conquest of Mecca No. No.
I'm talking about before you go there because
with the rabbi, because can we give a
live can I show a video that you
can actually Please? Can I show a couple
here? Okay. The point is right here that
Hashem say, do not have mercy on the
children.
Kill all their children also. Why there's no
difference between them and their children? In 10
years from now, these children will attack you
on the way.
Knows. God knows.
You kill all men and all women.
Even babies who breastfeed.
Amazing. We sure that, sir, all axes, all
goats,
camels,
donkeys,
Don't leave anything any memory from this filthy
nation.
So that's what the Torah say. Someone is
on the way to kill you now or
in a year from now. You can kill
him even now, a year before. You don't
have to wait a minute before.
You know this person will kill you statistically.
That's what it always constantly repeat.
So you're allowed to go and attack him
first. It's to remember to erase
the nation of Amalek, the memory of them
even, not only physically to erase them from
the face of the earth. Anything that remind
us about them is mitzvah
to dismiss and to erase it from the
face of the earth. We assume
that it's the Germans
after we see what they did in Holocaust,
not only to the Jews, to the whole
world.
And it's not only the Germans, it's most
of the European countries. That's where Amaleki.
Have you heard of the 10 commandments of
war? Well, let me tell you what it's
all about, but I want you to listen
to it and compare it to the other
side, and you'll see who it truly are,
and that's why you should be proud of
yourself.
This is what prophet Muhammad
and his successors after him when he sent
an army, he hears the instructions.
Do not kill a child. Do not kill
a woman. Do not kill an old man.
Do not kill an animal unless it suffices
your hunger. Do not cut a tree down.
Do not burn their homes. Do not pollute
their
water. Do not invade them at night. When
he was asked why, he says he may
not wake that nursing child and the mother.
And you will find those who devoted themselves
to worship God in their own ways. Leave
them to worship God in their own ways.
Fight only those who fight you.
Now you'll understand why you should be raising
your head up high and proud to be
a Muslim. Not the other side with the
exact opposite of justifying it for whatever means
they have.
They may cut off the water from us,
but we give them the water. They may
cut off the food, but we give them
food.
What they take down is just the rubbles
that will touch the ground, but our spirits
is linked to the heavens, and that's the
truth.
Disturbing. Are are we is this is this
how do we understand I mean, this is
it's really,
just listening to it just gives you kind
of, it's creepy. You know what I mean?
Because we are always we are always I
can imagine if an imam came out and
was saying, no mercy, nothing, and the media
would just run with this, and they were
like, you know, it'd be it'd be something
all over the place. And Oh, yeah. Why
don't they call out people like this this
element here
that's pre preaching and teaching this now? No
mercy.
Everyone. Get them all. Children and animals. And
I mean Yeah. You know, even even why
not the human rights? Okay. If you want
you don't want the human rights, so what
about the animal rights organization? Even talking about
eliminating the, you know, animals.
Yeah. I don't I've, who was it? Volterra,
Rousseau, one of these guys, he said, if
you wanna know who really rules over your
society,
determine those whom you're not allowed to, criticize.
Mhmm. You know, so our our our media
seems to be controlled by Zionists. So,
you know, if something's under the news cycle,
I mean, you can imagine if a Muslim
had said something like this.
You know? There there's this guy, this rabbi
on YouTube. His name is Manus Friedman. He
has, like, 400,000
followers. He's very, very popular. And he's he's
he says things like this all the time.
He says the same thing. But hold on.
I would think, like, we're coming out where
we would condemn
any any,
extreme ideology or any fringe element of Islam
will come out. But, now are there there
rabbis
who will come out that we can work
with to say, hold on, to counter this
That's a good point. Yeah. I'll get I'm
gonna get I'm gonna talk about that now.
These hidden passages, how were they actually dealt
with by rabbis?
But just to give you an example of
what, the one of the rabbis that you
played, what was he talking about? So this
is in Joshua chapter 6 verse 21.
Right? So this is called the conquest of
Jericho. So I was gonna make the comparison
between the conquest of Mecca by the prophet
Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam where he said,
There's no blemish on you today. Right?
Today is a day of mercy.
This is the day that God exalts the
world. You're you're right now, for the people
who never heard this, what right now, you're
you're you're narrating what prophet Mohammed, what he
came in after being what? How many years,
tortured, his whole followers, persecuted,
you know, horrendous crimes were committed to them.
Oh, 20 years. 20 so he had a
he had a chance to
inflict revenge now. And he's fully within his
rights to to take to punish the entire
city,
and he and he forgave the entire city.
This is a conquest of Mecca. But what
does the Bible say about the conquest of
Jericho? So let's look at it. It says
right here. It says,
so this is a verb. This comes from
the verb the word.
So it's the verb the verbal form is
used. It means to utterly destroy. And they
the Israelites utterly destroyed,
exterminated
everything that was in the city. It says,
man and woman,
young and old, it goes on to say,
the owl of the ox, the sheep, the
donkey,
all by the edge of the sword.
All by the edge. So can you imagine
this? Can you imagine
impaling women, impaling children with swords and spears,
toddlers,
babies.
You know? This is called.
You know? Here's the point. The wholesale slaughter
of innocent civilians as a policy of war
is sanctioned
by Jewish and Christian text. Deuteronomy 20, Joshua
6, 1st Samuel 15, these are Jewish and
Christian text. The Christians can't say, these are
not Christian texts, that's the old testament. No.
It's it's the Christian Bible.
So Christians, they wanna sort of sometimes disassociate
themselves with the old testament. There was a
Christian in in the late 1st century, early
2nd century. He was a gnostic. His name
was Marcion of Sinope.
He actually said, I can't I can't reconcile
the New Testament with the Old Testament. So
it must be a different God. There must
be 2 gods. Do you think now many
of these, Christian politicians and others are out
there now who are standing by while we
have all these innocent genocides taking place, they
should actually, if they're Christian, go back and
tell
the extreme Zionist
that hold on. You guys this is to
convince them that this is actually
something that's,
a old part of the law. They should
try to persuade them to leave off this
to come back towards the mercy of Jesus
and whatnot.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, just to follow the the
the traditional opinion. So what is the normative
Jewish opinion, the traditional opinion about these passages?
Okay. And there and there's a there's a
book, I recommend here by Philip Jenkins, professor
Philip Jenkins.
It's called Laying Down the Sword, Why We
Can't Ignore the Bible's Violent Verses. Wow. Okay.
So that that's a very good book. And
I'll just give a quick quote from him.
He says, people looked at the Quran and
said, Muslims have all these terrible violent passages
in their book. If you actually look in
the Bible, you'll find a lot of passages
and a lot of verses that are just
as violent and in some cases
more so.
So how do modern rabbinical authorities deal with
these cheben passages? Yes. Please tell us. So
so in the Torah from Genesis to Deuteronomy,
okay, there are 613
Mitzvot. These are called Mitzvot means commandments.
Mhmm. Okay?
From Genesis to the drawing. So the 1st
mitzvah, the first commandment is to marry and
produce children, Genesis 128.
Okay? So the mitzvah to commit kedem
in the Holy Land, to exterminate the people
in the Holy Land, this is one of
the 613
in the Torah. It's number 528,
as you mentioned earlier, according to the numbering
of.
Right? It says, leave
none alive of the 7 nations. So this
is taken directly from Deuteronomy 20 16 that
I quoted earlier.
Okay. Who are these 7 nations? Well, they're
mentioned, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, etcetera.
Right? Now, Abraham ben Ezra, who is an
eminent
Jewish authority,
and Rabbi Hezekiah
ben Manoah, and many, many others, they maintained,
and this is the mainstream opinion, that this
mitzvah was limited only to the generation of
Moses.
Okay?
So, you know, they're not gonna say that
these are, you know, these are fabrications to
the text. We know that the Torah has
been fabricated. The Quran talks about,
right? Alterations that were made to the text,
but these are traditional rabbis, so they're gonna
deal with the text. So there, you can
see that they're bothered by this text.
So but what do they say? What became
the sort of traditional,
understanding? They said that this commandment was limited
to the generation of Moses.
Okay? That generation that he's addressing, the period
during which the Israelites will be engaged in
fighting the Canaanites in order to settle in
the land promised by God to their ancestors.
If members of these tribes had immigrated voluntarily
or at some future date return individually
and even wish to convert to Judaism, then
this is acceptable. So,
herem of these 7 nations was only for
that time, at that place, and never again.
And the reason is because these groups are
gone. They no longer exist.
So while the 613
commandments are believed to be perennial and perpetual,
right, they're transhistorical,
there is simply no application
of this mitzvah because these groups are gone.
Okay? Maimonides says, Maimonides, he says, even if
descendants of these groups remain until today,
they're mixed among these other nations.
So, you know, as long as their evil
culture has gone, their idolatry, their child sacrifice,
their immorality,
then the mitzvah stands
fulfilled, and there's no application.
So this is traditional Judaism.
Okay?
Now,
it is important to mention that no critical
scholars or historians in the Bible,
none of them believe that this massive extermination
of these nations actually ever really took place.
Okay. These stories are exaggerations.
They they're really intended probably as scare tactics.
They function to scare the enemies
of Israel. So what actually happened to these
groups? You know, they migrated. They assimilated. Many
of them converted. Yeah. There was wars and
battles, but this kind of wholesale genocide narrative
probably didn't happen historically.
Okay? And interestingly, we don't believe that God
would order such a thing, and there's no
historical evidence. Would you say in your expert
opinion because we know there's a verse in
the Quran where god almighty Allah is saying,
woe to those who write books with their
hands. We know the pre this is referring
to previous script scriptures being altered and changed.
Would you say because Allah, God almighty, is
the all loving, the most merciful, the most
just, that this is an example
of the changing of the scripture at that
time. Yeah. Yeah. I would I would. That
would be my opinion. Yeah. I've asked many
also different students and other scholars. They're saying
the same thing you're saying to do. And
there there are certain laws in the Torah
that are just absolutely I mean, I don't
see the wisdom behind them. They they seem
very, very violent.
Can it be if you make an example
like today, if you take situation with these
type of people, these Zionist type, these nationalistic
type, these these supremacy type, at that time,
same people, now they're changing the text to
go ahead and justify for them to do
what they wanted to do, to annihilate certain
people. Yeah. Interestingly,
the the Old Testament itself admits that the
Torah has changed. I mean, Jeremiah
in chapter 8 verse 8, you know, one
of his condemnations is why why do we
why do you say that you have the
law of the Lord, the Torah Adonai? For
verily, the false pen of the scribes have
turned it into a lie. Yes. That's what
it says. You know? It that's a verse
right there that is admitting that the scribes
changed the text. Yeah. Exactly. So there's no
evidence of these things happening historically,
but what matters is belief. Right? And the
orthodox take these stories literally and believe them
to be historically true as did the most
eminent Christian scholars,
from Augustine of Hippo to Thomas Aquinas
to John Calvin.
Okay? There's another book recommendation by Christian Hof
reader. It's called Making Sense of Old Testament
Genocide,
Christian Interpretations of HEDEM Passages. This is published
by Oxford in 2018, where he actually gives
a survey like which Christians believed that these
things actually happened historically. God ordered this to
happen.
And, yeah, someone like Origen of Alexandria
thought these hidden passages were figurative,
but he was certainly not among the majority.
In fact, he was an epithetized,
posthumously at the 2nd Council of Constantinople
in in 553, the common era. Now the
the trend nowadays from some Christian apologists
is just to deny these things and say,
oh, that was, you know, hyperbolic.
You know, I actually heard this recently on
Catholic radio. You know, this is hyperbolic.
Why this trend? Well, it's probably because they're
embarrassed in light of what's happening right now
in Gaza.
They're just embarrassed that this
is clearly the teachings of the Torah,
and
clearly, these are very, very disturbing.
And not only that, again, there's no historical
evidence of these things. So morally and historically,
these stories, these commandments are simply indefensible.
Mhmm. Okay? So that's a traditional opinion. That
was for that time, and that's it. Okay?
Now and another another opinion says that kedim,
this extermination,
will happen again in the holy land one
more time,
but only when the messiah comes. So we
have to wait for the messiah, right, their
messiah. They call him Moshiach HaMelech ben David,
the the king messiah or the,
the Davidic king messiah. So only the messiah
can begin this process of regathering the Jews
from diaspora.
Right? And then he will fight the,
wars of the Lord. These are called.
Right? So that's that's another opinion. Now the
third opinion is the position of religious Zionism.
Okay? In Hebrew, religious Zionism is called
the So the religious Zionists, they see no
contradiction
between Zionism
and Orthodox Judaism, traditional Judaism. Now there has
been a consistent and sustained
sentiment among the religious Zionists
of Israel that the Palestinians
are the modern day Canaanites.
Okay. So this is very common sentiment among
the religious Zionists.
Therefore, it is a religious duty
of the government of Israel to wage a
war of extermination
against the Palestinian people. And this is what
we're seeing right now.
In all of its horror, this is radical
Judaism. So I encourage people to look up,
you know, Goosh Emunim, the coalition of the
faithful. The first rabbi, chief rabbi of of
Palestine, Abraham
Kook and his son, Yehuda Kook, Rabbi Shlomo
Aviner.
In the minds of these religious Zionists, the
Israeli government has a religious duty to implement
mitzvah number 528
Wow. And utterly destroy the Palestinians. They believe
that the coming of their messiah can be
hastened
through continued aggression, conquest,
and and and settlement
of Palestinian territories. All of this aggression will
culminate in the coming of their messiah. And
guess what? The political party known as are
are
extremely dedicated
religious Zionists. Of course, Likkud's chairman is Netanyahu,
who has been the prime minister of Israel
since 2009. So he's surrounded by these radical
Jews.
Right? So they believe that they can use
the finely sanctioned violence
to essentially prepare the land for the Messiah.
They can get the ball moving, right,
before his arrival. They can start the process
and the messiah will will finish it.
And, again, we see that the plain and
obvious policy that the Israeli government as a
whole is applying to the Palestinians in Gaza
and now in the West Bank because they
want the Temple Mount. This this policy cannot
be described as anything other than herem. It
is kedem in 2023.
They are preparing the land for their messiah.
They are offering their king a massive human
sacrifice. That's what
Philip Jenkins calls it. It says a massive
human sacrifice.
So Palestinian civilians are paying for the sins
of Europe.
Professor Roz Siegel,
s e g a l, he's a professor
at Stockton University. He's an Israeli journalist. Roz
Siegel is an Israeli journalist.
Right? He's Israeli.
He specializes.
This is his specialty. Holocaust and genocide studies.
Okay? He says he's an expert. He says,
what Israel is doing right now to the
Palestinians is, quote,
a textbook case of genocide.
Textbook genocide. This is a Israeli academic professor
Rod
Segal. Rod Segal. Yeah. Segal. Holocaust and genocide
studies expert.
Textbook
genocide. Textbook genocide. Wow. And he cites he
cites the UN's definition of genocide. And Ilan
Poppe, he calls it incremental genocide. Again, these
are Israeli journalists, Israeli historians.
Right? Here here's a quote from the defense
minister of Israel, Yovan
Yoav Gallant. This is the the current defense
minister of Israel. He said this on October
9th. This is a quote. I have ordered
a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. No
electricity, no food, no fuel. Everything is closed.
We're fighting human animals,
and we will act accordingly.
We will exterminate. We will eliminate everything.
So this is
called. We have to get to know this
word and educate people about this word.
You know, as you said, we've heard
jihad jihad jihad ad nauseam. Why haven't we
heard of the?
You know?
Elon Pape said recently just recently, I think
the other day, he gave an interview. He
said every 10 minutes, a Palestinian child is
murdered.
Every 10 minutes.
How many children have been killed since we
started this podcast?
You know? It's amazing.
You know? How was it that in 2004,
my non Muslim neighbor is asking me, he's
grilling me, what's jihad? What's taqiyah?
Right? But in 2023,
when there's an actual genocide happening,
right, we have no idea what is Temem,
what is Amalek. We're gonna talk about Amalek
too. Taqiya would be something like if you
believe
what this rabbi does and now to win
over a friendship with this is part of
your creed. You believe,
deny Jesus and say the most horrible things
about his mother, and someone asked you about
that, and you're just like, you're hiding that,
that'll be tequila, but we don't have this
such thing now. Yes. There are places, like,
if your your wife cooks you a bad
meal or something, but to deceive people, to
bring people into the religion, this is something
I I when I spoke to many scholars,
said, Taqiyah, this is a Shiite concept.
This term is not in the Quran and
Sunnah.
This is something that a sect of Shiites
because they'll push this out there. And now
how are you gonna sit with your Muslim
neighbor friend when they program in your mind
that he's deceitful, he's lying? But isn't this
something that is in the Bible with Paul
also when he's like to a Jew, I'm
a Jew, to a Gentile Gentile? All things
to all men. Yeah. Exactly. It's a form
of Sophia. What's the verse? He said, if
my lie by my lie, I'm able to
propagate the truth. I'm paraphrasing the the the
verse. If by my lie. Yeah. Why am
I the sinner?
Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So that's Kia.
That's the point. Checking it on us, but
we don't do Kia.
Very good. Exactly.
We don't we don't have you know, we
don't we don't believe in indiscriminate wholesale slaughter
of civilians, but it's in their text. And
they Now they can they can interpret it
however they want, but it's in the text.
We don't have it in our text. Yeah.
Right? So, yeah, I think it's time to
push back a little. I think it's time
for us to demand answers. You know, we're
constantly in this defensive position.
We have to expose a double standard in
a more robust way. The present policy
cannot be the new normal. We have to
call a spade a spade. Right? Because what's
happening to Palestinians right now is nothing less
than terrorism.
Zionism, as deployed by Israel, is radical Judaism.
Right? And people shouldn't forget that. The persecution
of the Palestinians,
at at the hands of radical Jewish elements,
it goes back to 1917,
and this is way before October 7th. Yeah.
What what's the Sanhedrin?
The Sanhedrin. Yeah.
Yeah. Because, the reason I bring that up
is, and then you can go into your
next, which you're gonna explain, but it
I wanna put frame this in the context
of
Christians
living under,
when Muslims ruled Jerusalem. Even Jews,
historically, they were taken care of in the
Sharia. Their rights were guarded, but it just
seems like a really strange relationship where you
have Christians who who are who are there,
and they had they they had journalists who
were dressed up as
as Christian priests. And and then in the
first 5 minutes, they were spit on, I
think, like, 5 times. Recently, Israeli Channel 13
reporter Yossi Eli went undercover as a priest
for a day. Dressed in a robe, he
walked through the old city with Franciscan father,
Alberto.
In the first five minutes, he was spat
at 5 times by orthodox Jewish Israelis.
So you got the spitting of Christianity, the
disrespect, and and this clip here, I'll show
you here that he mentions this.
I respect you. Respect
you.
That is the right thing. Are you Jewish?
Do you want to honor God? No. That
is the godly thing to do. We respect
one another. The godly thing to do is
to kill you. The godly thing is to
kill me. That's right. That's what the Torah
says. The Torah says to kill us. The
Torah says that I don't people who worship
idols such as yourself,
when there is a Sanhedrin
To kill
us.
Yes. Okay. That's what the Torah says. So
we know how the Jewish people feel about
Christians. Yes? That you discriminate against Christians. Christians
are idol worshipers. Discriminate against says that Christianity
is idol worshippers. Muslims
would protect the Christian's rights. We wouldn't be
now for majority because many Christians think that
we, just like he's saying, that's it. But
actually, he's saying it. Is he one of
those extreme,
Zionists here who's,
hijacked, Judaism?
Cause he's telling this Christian that if the
Sanhedrin what's the Sanhedrin if it comes? Sanhedrin
is the high religious court of the Jews.
So he's saying that basically when the the
3rd temple is built, because the Sanhedrin is
connected to the whole priestly apparatus and the
temple and all of that. So, in other
words, when they seize control of the entire
land, they're going to exterminate.
So he's he's he's taking, like, the second
opinion. Right? We said basically that when the
messiah comes and the temple is built, right,
and the and the priesthood, the kohanim, they
come back. We have our Sanhedrin, our it's
called the the council of the elders,
and we're gonna take you guys out. This
is what What a strange relationship, and they're
funding this. They're funding their own
execution day. This is really strange. It's really,
really strange. Yeah. That's true. No. I mean,
yeah.
So the the special intent on genocide is
on full display.
When you listen to these Israeli politicians, military
officers. Here's a quote from an IDF official
spokesperson, Daniel Hagari.
He said, quote, the emphasis
is on damage, not on accuracy.
The emphasis is on damage.
Right? So is this is defensive? This is
minimizing, you know, collateral damage? No. The intention
is to maximize
collateral damage. He actually admits it.
The former Israeli prime minister, Naftali Bennett, he
was asked about Palestinian babies and hospital incubators
who need electricity to survive. This is a
quote from him. Are you seriously talking
about Palestinian babies? We're fighting Nazis.
I'm not feeding electricity or water to my
enemies.
Wow. I've seen yes. I've heard this. Yeah.
Then you have UN officials. They're they have
you know, this is on their conscience. A
lot of them are resigning. Craig MacIber, a
a the former director of the New York
office of the United Nations High Commissioner For
Human Rights, he just resigned recently.
This is what he said. This is a
direct quote from Craig MacIber, m o k
h I b e r, Craig MacIber. He
said, quote, the wholesale slaughter,
the holes the current wholesale slaughter of the
Palestinian people rooted in an ethnonationalist
colonial colonial settler ideology
in continuing in continuation of decades of their
systematic persecution and purging
based upon
entirely upon their status as Arabs and coupled
with explicit statements of intent intent
by by leaders in the Israeli government and
military leaves no room for doubt no room
for doubt that it's what? That it's a
genocide.
He continues, what's more, the governments, United States,
United Kingdom, and much of Europe are wholly
complicit
in the horrific assault.
Okay.
This is some scary stuff. I mean, listening
to this, it seems like everything that's been
projected on Muslim, that people really open their
heart and their minds, and they studied, you
know, Islam really, they would really now compare
it to this. They now you can really
see why we say that prophet Mohammed was
sent as a mercy for all mankind and
and indeed, Islam is a mercy.
And because you can't what else? When you
see this actually, this wholesale
slaughter of, children right now in front of
your eyes and people are just, asleep to
it, and they're
they're they're not, you often heard this for
you you've heard this your whole life. Never
again. Never again. I'm asking, does this include
Palestinians?
Yeah.
The whole concept of never again. Never to
that's supposed to be a net to us
Yeah. Now in living in a modern age,
to never allow a genocide, you know, a
holocaust of a people. Happening right now. But
we're seeing a holocaust happening to the Palestinians
right there who are also Christians, Muslims, and,
10% I believe are Christian. Yeah. And what's
interesting is that, is that modern anti Zionist
activists have been recently citing studies that demonstrate
that that
that Palestinians, like 11 time Arabs, but including
Palestinians, they actually have genetic continuity with the
ancient Canaanites.
Right? In other words, they're descendants of the
Canaanites. So so why are ancient why are
anti Zionist highlighting these studies? This all relates
to the debate about the land. Who was
there first? Uh-huh. Right? So that like, a
Zionist would say, there's a there's a Zionist.
I read a tweet from him. He said,
the word Jew comes from Judea.
The word Arab comes from Arabia. So who's
occupying whose land? Right? In other words, the
Jews were there first. Right? But these recent
studies are being cited to show that Palestinians
are actually descendants of the ancient Canaanites who
were there before the Israelites.
Even Philip Jenkins in his book says it's
without doubt that the Palestinians are descendants of
Canaanites, but we can only imagine
how this argument can actually embolden
the religious Zionists of Israel. Can you imagine?
You see, they admit
they are Canaanites,
and it's our duty to wipe them out
according to mitzvah number 528.
Now there are 2 more mitzvot, and we'll
I'll finish with this.
There are 2 more mitzvah, 2 more commandments
that deserve our immediate and undivided attention. So,
mitzvah number
604,
it says cut off the seed of Amalek,
okay, that is destroy them utterly, commit kedem
against Amalek
and, commandment number 605, the very next one,
mitzvah number 605,
that says blot out the memory of Amalek
and don't forget Amalek. So both of these
are taken from Deuteronomy 2519.
Extremist messianic Israeli settlers, they often invoke Amalek
as a justification for the massacre and displacement
of the Palestinian people. So who is Amalek?
So Amalek
are also called the Amalekites.
So in first Samuel 15,
King Saul was ordered by God to commit
kedem against the Amalekites
to exterminate men, women, and child, and animals,
total extermination.
Now king Saul, however, he spared the Amalekite
king Agag.
Okay? Now in Esther chapter 3, the book
of Esther, we're told that Haman,
a Persian minister of Xerxes
was an Agagite. In other words, he was
a descendant of Agad. In other words, he
was an Amalekite,
and Haman wanted to exterminate the Jews. So
this is sort of the MO of the
Amalekites. They wanna destroy Israel.
Now the Torah says
in the Hebrew, it says,
The Lord will be at war against Amalek
from generation to generation.
Means perpetual
warfare. Again, know how they had this idea,
Muslims believe
in perpetual warfare, unmitigated perpetual warfare against unbelievers.
They wanna conquer the planet.
It's right. The Lord will be at war
against Amalek.
From generation to generation, the Lord declares perpetual
warfare
against Amalek. So now how do traditional Jews,
okay,
interpret these commandments against Amalek? They interpret them
on strictly genealogical
grounds,
usually. In other words,
any and all descendants of Amalek must be
killed irrespective of their culture.
Right? This is why when it comes to
the 7 nations like the Canaanites,
right, you can convert to become a Ben
Noah. You could follow the 7 Noahidek laws,
or you can convert to Judaism, but there's
actually a difference of opinion about the Amalekites,
the conversion of an Amalekite,
okay, whether he should be allowed to convert
or not. If not, he should be killed.
However, many would argue since it's also impossible
to identify
who is an Amalekite,
this commandment again simply cannot be fulfilled.
Okay?
So like Maimonides, he he he will further
limit the application
to destroy Amalek to a Jewish king. He
says only like an anointed Jewish king can
carry out the mitzvah. He probably means the
messiah. So if there's no messiah, you can't
really do this. Right?
So that's that's traditional Judaism.
However, common among Jewish Zionists
is this horrible and disturbing teaching that the
term Amalek can refer to any enemy of
the Jews. So they're so they're going against
their greatest scholar also, Maimonides, no? Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. Completely.
Yeah. So so this has now become the
mindset of Amalek, the mentality of Amalek, right,
the culture of that continues perpetually.
So, you know, they're looking back at history.
The Romans were the Amalek of their day.
The Nazis were the Amalek.
Right? So what does what does that mean?
They have to find an Amalek in every
generation.
They have to find an Amalek. There was
a Jewish professor at UCLA.
She was a Zionist,
Deborah Littstadt, who famously
referred to a British historian
of German history,
David Irving. She called him, quote, a contemporary
Amalek.
What does that mean? He deserves to be
killed for his views on history. This is
a dog whistle. In other words, it it
contains a message
that only a few people can understand.
Now guess upon whom
modern Zionists apply this designation
more than any other. Now broadly speaking, anyone
who argues for the dissolution of the modern
state of Israel
or challenges the legality
of this, you know, this modern nationalistic apartheid.
It's apartheid according to Nelson Mandela, Desmond Tutu,
you know, Jimmy Carter.
But Iran has been called, you know, Amalek.
But here's another quote from,
from the director of Land Authority. His name
was, Benzie Lieberman,
right, director of Israeli Land Authority. He said
this in 2004, actually.
Okay? He said, and, you know, these are
people in positions of power. He's the director.
He's not some some nobody. These are people
making decisions. He said, quote, the Palestinians are
Amalek. We will destroy them. That's a that's
a direct quote. Now you understand what that
means. He's invoking herem,
genocide of the Palestinian people. And so this
goes back,
to Plan Daulatz in 1947.
So, you know, these are religious extremists
drunk on messianic fervor.
Right? I mean, they're they're trying to inaugurate
their messianic age with a massive human sacrifice.
But, you know, I mentioned this earlier too,
in another podcast. I I truly believe that
Jewish people that are good and compassionate, when
the real messiah comes, when Isa ibn Maryam
alaihis salam, when he comes back, I think
that these people will will accept him as
as the Messiah.
Right?
How do you how do how do how
do many of your colleagues who are Jewish,
when you share some of these things with
them, how do they take to it? No.
They they agree with me completely,
you know,
of course you have different opinions and things
like that but
the people that I interact with, you know,
they
the important thing is that we can talk
about these things in a civil way and
let people know because knowledge is power.
Yes, you know we have to talk about
these these are realities
You know? You know what's crazy? On October
27th,
I I mentioned Amalek. I mentioned a few
of these things. The very next day, Netanyahu
himself. Maybe you have the clip
of Netanyahu, what he says about Amalek. And
and Netanyahu actually, you know, he a few
years ago, he blamed the holocaust on the
Palestinians.
I mean, I mean, he he his claim
is that Hitler just wanted to exile them.
Right? But when Hitler met the Mufti,
Amin al al Husseini Amin al Husseini, the
grand Mufti of of Palestine, it was the
grand Mufti of Palestine who convinced Hitler
to exterminate the Jews.
Mhmm. Right? I mean, Norman, Norman, Norman Finkelstein,
a Jewish Go ahead for your thought. I
was gonna say Finkelstein. Norman Finkelstein is a
Jewish intellectual
whose parents were murdered at Auschwitz.
Yes. He said he said this claim of
Netanyahu that the Palestinians it was the Palestinian's
idea to commit the holocaust is beyond lunacy.
Right? It's just absolutely devastating. He's he's completely
lost his mind, this guy Netanyahu. But go
ahead. Let's play the clip.
You must remember what Amalek has done to
you, says
our holy bible. And we do remember, and
we are fighting our brave troops and combatants
who are now in Gaza
or around Gaza and in all other regions
in Israel
are joining this chain of Jewish heroes,
a chain that has
started 3000 years ago from Joshua Benun. Yeah.
There it is. And he he makes that
reference to
Joshua Benun. Right? According to the Tanakh, what
did Joshua Ben Nun do? He implemented kedem
on the upon the ancient Canaanites. He's talking
about the conquest
of Jericho.
Right? The conquest of the entire land. So
all through all of this that's going on
right now, and I've heard also that he's
an atheist. He's a secular atheist, Netanyahu.
I don't know if we can if we
can confirm that, but same like Theodore Hertz.
So the prophet who they really follow, who
was an atheist you started off with, he's
probably. So now but they're conveniently taking things
from the Bible now to push this, genocidal
agenda. He's got these radical Jewish elements in
his ear.
In in his party, in his cabinet,
and they're and they're pushing this agenda hard.
You know? So so what else does the
Torah say about Amalek? So 25/19
Deuteronomy,
This is what it sounds like in Hebrew.
It says,
So in Arabic, it's translated
You must blot out the very mention of
Amalek from under the sky.
Right? So right now in in in Western
public discourse, there's this disturbing trend that any
defense whatsoever
of the Palestinian people is being branded
as supporting terrorism
and anti Semitic.
Why? Well, the remembrance of Amalek, the very
mention of Amalek must be blotted out. And
for these Zionist extremists and Zealots, Palestine is
Amalek.
And as we said earlier,
Western media seems to be completely controlled by
Zionist propaganda. So now just having a Palestinian
flag
is seen as supporting terrorism and propaganda and
hating Jews. Right? I have a Palestinian flag
that means I hate Jews.
It's ridiculous. People are losing their jobs across
multiple industries for even uttering a word of
support for Palestine, for speaking out against carpet
bombing of civilians.
Meanwhile, in Palestine, what's happening? Palestinian
families
are debating,
about whether they should all stay in one
place or to split up.
Because if they split up and the bombs
drop, at least their entire family won't be
killed. Over 900 Palestinian families have been taken
off the planet. I mean, this is what
Palestinians are doing right now. This is their
discussion
as they eat dinner together. I mean, Palestinian
parents right now are writing the names of
their children on their children
in case they're bombed so that parents can
identify the remains of their children.
This is what Palestinians are doing right now.
And, of course, you know, the Zionists, they
released these fake images,
fake recordings,
God knows what they can do with the
AI. It's all tricksterism.
They have to manufacture
consent. I encourage everyone who's listening to this
right now to to simply read the book
of Genesis.
You know, read the book of Genesis.
Okay?
And,
I mean, the person of Jacob in the
book of Genesis, and this goes back to
this idea of.
Right? This this cannot be the Torah.
Okay? And and
and Muslim opinion about the
integrity of of the modern day Torah
is totally in line with
the vast consensus,
or the total consensus of historical scholars regarding
the Pentateuch or the Torah.
In in Genesis, Jacob
is a master trickster who no matter what
he does,
God continues to bless him. He has unconditional
divine support for his deception.
And Jacob is called Israel. Jacob is Israel.
Now this is not.
This is not the great prophet
Jacob, peace be upon him. This is Jacob
in the book of Genesis.
Okay? And at the end of Genesis, even
Jacob's son, Yusuf,
Joseph, he ends up tricking the Egyptians.
He tricks them and ends up enslaving them.
Right? This is not in the Quran. The
Quran corrects these narratives,
but Genesis is the primary text in Judaism.
You know?
And as they say, one of my teachers
used to say, if if such are the
clergy,
then then God bless the congregation. Right? If
one of their greatest patriarchs described in their
most sacred book who is also the namesake
of their nation,
is this master deceiver,
what do we expect from Zionist Israel? You
know, the motto of Mossad,
Israel's National Intelligence Agency,
they changed it, but it used to be
by deception,
you may wage war.
That was their whole motto.
Right? Wow. That that reminds me I don't
know if you've, read. There's independent,
journalist, award winning journalist,
Max Blumenthal. He has the,
they run the gray zone.
It's an article called, it's
our October 7 testimonies reveal Israeli's military shelling
Israeli citizens with tanks and missiles. Had me
think about that when you're mentioning that. Have
you have you read this,
have you come across this? I mean, just,
you know, people should Google the Hannibal directive.
Just look at the Hannibal directive. Wow. This
is a deep one. Yeah. Hannibal directive. Just
just read about the Hannibal directive, and you'll
see what what we're talking about as far
as deception goes.
Wow.
This is really deep. Yes. And and the
horrible aspect of this is is that, you
know, I have It's mentioned in this article
also, this Hannibal directive. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It's
there. Yes. This is all this is all
true. It's accurate. So so for people who
don't know, they can watch us deeper, but
this is pretty much that,
if you have somebody that someone has a
hostage, pretty much you can annihilate everyone so
no one gets the hostage. So it's imagine
if you, you're you're in an auditorium with
an and a shooter comes in, and he's
got a 1,000 kids hostage, the Hannibal directive
would would tell you to just blow up
the whole building. Yeah. Yeah. Well, in in
Palestine. Right? So so I was gonna mention
this that one of the horrible aspects of
this is that I've heard otherwise
decent and moral people,
defend Israel's attack on Palestine. They say this
is not the same as, like, like, Hiroshima
or Nagasaki.
They'll say in Hiroshima,
the express purpose was to target civilians. But
in Palestine, the Israeli military,
they they're saying that they don't intend to
kill civilians. It just happens on accident.
So, it's okay. Civilians are killed on accident.
It's absolute nonsense
and how incredibly disturbing. So, according to that
logic,
Israel could, kill in theory
1,000,000 children.
Right? And say, you know, that was not
our intention.
Right? So for these these cowardly apologists, for
Israel, my question is when will it be
enough for you? How to grow a backbone
and condemn Israel? How many more children have
to be cut to pieces? How many whole
families have to be, you know, taken off
the planet before you grow a backbone and
condemn that
Israel that
admit this is clearly a genocide? You know,
if a Hamas fighter was hiding in a
hospital in Tel Aviv,
would Israel blow up that hospital in Tel
Aviv? Of course not. But in Palestine,
right, they say, yeah. So there was a
Hamas fighter,
and everyone was killed on accident. I mean,
they think we're stupid.
This this is just ridiculous.
Is there anything else that, you think is
very relevant to this that I just wanted
to I just wanted to, you know, remind
people of there's a beautiful dua. I'll just,
you know, end with this. There's a dua
of the prophet Muhammad
because, you know, deception is everywhere the western
media is gaslighting the world
you know the oppressors are seen as the
oppressed and vice versa so the prophet used
to pray
so,
he said,
oh Allah, and we can you can if
you don't know this in Arabic, we can
say it in English,
show us the truth as truth.
Show us the truth as truth and give
us the ability to follow
it. Right? And show us the falsehood as
falsehood
and give us the ability,
to shun it.
So you know
we have these prophetic invocations we have these
these prophetic supplications and they're the words of
the prophet Muhammad
he's the best of creation, and he is
the leader of the messengers. So these words
have they have power to them. They have
tawfeeq, they have providence
from
Allah
So take the advice,
of of our scholars, take the commandments of
the Quran. You know, a lot of Muslims
right now, obviously, this is a very troubling
time. They're in a state of shock and
awe.
But Allah says,
hold on to the rope of God. That's
the Quran. The prophet said,
hold on to my sunnah. Establish the prayer.
This is very important. Muslims need to pray
5 times a day.
Okay? We need to do that.
The
difference between faith and and disbelief
is leaving the prayer.
Right? So non Muslim
non Muslim, non praying Muslims, these are sort
of low hanging fruit for the for the
imposter Messiah, the job. We believe in imposter
Messiah. And if we're not praying, we don't
have that remembrance every so often, we're gonna
forget Allah, and we're gonna follow other people.
We don't wanna follow the impostor messiah.
Right? Learn learn du'a.
Last thing I just wanna touch upon for
anyone who has any doubt
of the mercy of Islam, I just wanna
recant this history. And if you can just
touch upon it
because the whole thing is the eradication of
Jews. That's why they're doing this and whatnot.
But if you study history, if you you
gave a beautiful example of, prophet Mohammed. But
if you look at
Omar, the one the caliph of Islam
that when he conquered when they came into
Jerusalem, didn't he repopulate
the city with Jews?
And he actually the Temple Mount was full
of 500 years of garbage, and he himself
got out there. He actually went to repopulate
the city with Jews. Actually, they were exiled,
and he also protected churches by not actually
praying in a church, worrying that the Christians
would come the Muslims would come later and
say, he prayed in a church, so to
take it over.
So you had these 2 these groups.
They were protected
because of Islam. And for 100 of years,
there was coexistence. There was some kind of
peace. Is that true? Can you Yeah. I
mean, he he didn't rebuild the temple, but
he he honored the the the site of
the He honored the site. Yeah. It was
a garbage
dump. Yeah. And
if you read Jewish history, they call it
the Pact of Omar, and it was seen
as a great blessing
for, the Jews of that region,
to live under Sharia
because Muslims recognize the Jews as monotheists
of.
Right? They're people of the book. They're people
of the revelation. Even the Christians, when the
Muslims came into Jerusalem, the Christians were fighting
each other and they wouldn't allow certain Christians.
But for the Muslims, they're all.
So they
so the Muslim leaders, they gave all the
Christians equal rights. They they didn't care who's
a and who's a Trinitarian, who's a Catholic.
No. They said, you're all so
he treated them all equally.
Right? So this is an incredible history. People
need to to study history.
There's a lot of demonization. There's a lot
of inaccurate things out there, but,
yeah, I mean, Muslim Spain, right, the golden
age of Judaism,
you know, this is this is a period
of history that we need to revisit and
and Again, isn't there a,
many professors? The one that comes to mind,
David Warrenstein, and he wrote in the, JC
journal. He said, Islam saved the jury.
Islam saved the Jewish people.
You have so many in Bosnia where my
family's
from. You had a high concentration of Jews
who fled persecution.
You had the Bessa. You had the Albanians,
right, who because of Islam's teaching, they protected
the Jews. So this whole thing about Muslims
want to eradicate Jews historically, this is something
that's just a farce. It's a myth mythology.
Mythology. Mythology.
I mean, you have respected rabbis,
at different periods, Rabbi,
Nathaniel Al Fayoumi, who wrote this book called,
who said the prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam
was a NIVI emet. He's a true prophet.
Now he's gonna he's not gonna go all
the way and say that, you know, we
have to convert to Islam, but he'll say
he was a he was a a prophet
sent to the Gentiles because the Jews recognized
that the monotheism that the prophet brought was
unprecedented. He was the greatest monotheist who ever
lived. Right? They recognized that. I mean, what
he did was more than all of their
prophets put together.
Right? Just what the prophet Muhammad
did, how successful of a monotheist he was.
They recognize that. There's something special about him.
So some of them will say he's a
or means that he's a he's a like
he's a renewer of of monotheism. He was
a great man. Others say, no. He was
a true prophet, but he was only sent
to, the Goyim, like the non Jews, the
Gentiles. And others, they say, no. He sent
to all of us and they converted
to Islam,
you know. So there's there's always been a
type of mutual respect,
between
Jews and Muslims now, this that the present
conflict has skewed a lot of perceptions, and
that's unfortunate.
So hopefully by forward and sincere heart and
mind, they can come in, watch with this
this, many of these facts now that you
have, brought to
the to the table. And hopefully, good Christians,
good Jews, people out there, they can get,
unprogrammed with this whole hijacking that's happened with
the Zionism of Christianity and Zionism of Judaism
and come back to the
way of humanity to go ahead and to,
help stop this modern day genocide that's happening.
Look look into the prophet Muhammad
He's he's your prophet. He's the universal messenger,
I think he his his character, his ethos,
his
his teaching, it's going to open hearts. People
will realize the truth.
Thank you so much. Thank you for sharing
all this with us. Been an honor. Thank
you so much. Thank you very
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