Ali Ataie – Historical and Theological Critique of the Christian Passion Narrative

Ali Ataie
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The transcript discusses various theories about Jesus's physical appearance and behavior, highlighting the importance of historical and credible sources. It also discusses three types of appetite for resurrecting, including a Lazarus resurrection, a doomsday resurrection, and a Jonas resurrection. The third type is a-wise, not a doomsday resurrection, and listeners are encouraged to pray for Maghrib. A book called The point of God by Dale Martin is mentioned as well.
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Tonight,

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I'm going to talk about

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the,

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historical

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and theological critique

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of the Christian passion narrative

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of Said Na'i Isa alaihi salaam.

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The,

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Quran is a

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excuse me.

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The Quran is a a bold text.

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It makes bold claims.

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I think one of the boldest of claims

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in the Quran

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is when

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Allah says about

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That they did not kill him nor did

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they crucify him, but it was made to

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appear so unto them.

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For a surety, they killed him not. Of

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course, this is in Surat An

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Nisa, ayah number 157.

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So here's the essence of the Christian thesis,

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as

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expounded by Christian apologists and polemicists

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and Christian academics

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is that it's a historical fact

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historical fact

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that Jesus was crucified

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and that he rose from the dead. Therefore,

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the Quran is

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egregiously

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wrong

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when it says they did not kill him

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nor did they crucify him.

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So why believe a text that came 500

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years later

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written in Arabic

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that says otherwise when you have these 4

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gospels

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written by

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independent eyewitnesses

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according to them,

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multiply attested,

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in Greek

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that say that he was crucified.

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So you Muslims are denying history. You deny

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history, you deny history.

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So let's talk about history. So this is

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the essence of the Christian claim

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that according to modern historiography,

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it's a fact that Jesus was crucified and

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he was resurrected.

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Okay. According to modern historiographical

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methodology,

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Modern historians,

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they try to establish what probably happened.

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Right? What probably happened? That's what determines all

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of modern history. It's levels of probability.

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So did Obama win the election in 2012?

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Yeah. I think you can say with a

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very high degree of probability that he won

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the election.

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Right?

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There's no global conspiracy in that regard. It's

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very high that he won the election. Okay.

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Was Lee Harvey Oswald the lone nut, the

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lone assassin? Well, in the mid sixties, that

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was the historical position. That was the dominant

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position.

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And then, you know, you had the Jim

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Garrison investigation.

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You had this recruiter video coming out in

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1975

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and 1979.

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The House Select Committee on Assassinations

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determined definitively, yes. In fact, it was a

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conspiracy, and that's the latest,

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from the government on the JFK assassination.

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Did Constantine

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convert to Christianity before the Council of Nicaea

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in 325 of the Common Era? Again, very

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hazy.

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Further back in time you go, the more

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hazy it becomes.

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Were Muslims in America first or Christians?

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Well, depends on whose history you're going to

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read.

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Certainly, European history tells us that in 1492,

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Columbus saw the ocean blue, and they killed

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the Muslims and the Jews.

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Whatever. I don't know the end of the

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rhyme.

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But according to,

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Muslim

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historians Al Masoudi

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Al Idrisi,

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right,

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There was a Muslim presence,

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voyages sent from Andalusia into the Americas

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as early as 889

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of the common era. So 600 years,

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before Columbus was discovered.

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So

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the past doesn't change.

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Right?

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Only our perception

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of the past changed, and that's modern history.

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That's how history is done

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in modern times.

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What is history? Our perception of the past.

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So modern historians cannot establish miracles

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as the most probable occurrence

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because miracles by definition

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are the least probable occurrence.

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In Arabic, they're called

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or breaks a natural law.

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Right? If you and we believe in them.

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But if you saw a man standing on

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the top of a building and I told

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you he got there 1 of 3 ways,

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either he flew up there like Superman or

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he took the elevators

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or he took the staircase,

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which one would you conclude

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is probably what happened?

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You'd probably say that he took because people

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don't don't they don't take stairs anymore. Right?

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People are lazy now. So you'd say and

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you say, well,

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maybe he flew. We believe in, you know,

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Karamat, you know, Karismata,

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you know, the miracles of the Auria, but

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that's such a rare occurrence.

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He probably went up there with an elevator.

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Right? And that's how history is done. So

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a miracle,

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right, a miracle is the least probable occurrence

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by definition.

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Therefore, the least probable historically.

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So historians cannot presuppose

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modern historians

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do not presuppose

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god's existence

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or nonexistence.

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They have no access to god. So something

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like the virgin birth of Isa alaihis salam.

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That's something we believe

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as Muslims. So there's a difference between sacred

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history and secular history.

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Secular history

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or non confessional history

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is based on probability.

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Right? So that's history with a lowercase h,

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a small h.

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Sacred history or confessional history

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is based on revelation.

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Right? So the Quran gives us sacred history,

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and we believe that's true history, a capital

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h.

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But you cannot repeat past events

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through experimentation.

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So you can't prove anything through the modern

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scientific method that happened in the past. So

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to say that we can prove that Isa

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alaihis salaam

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was crucified and resurrected, we can prove it

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through the modern scientific method is false. The

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only way to do that is either go

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back in time,

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right, and witness the event yourself, which is

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impossible,

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or reproduce the event now, which is also

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impossible.

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Alright?

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So

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if you make if your thesis is that,

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you know, certain types of mice prefer cheddar

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cheese over Monterey Jack, you can produce that

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experiment and do it a few times and

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then have your conclusion, which you cannot prove

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through the scientific method that something happened in

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the past.

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Maybe it happened, but you can't prove it

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historically.

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It is a faith conviction.

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The resurrection

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of Jesus, the so called resurrection of Jesus,

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is a theological

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claim.

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It's a theological claim. It's a faith claim.

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Now does it have theological consistency? We're gonna

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talk about that later

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So this is my historical critique of the

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Christian narrative, then we'll get to the theological

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critique.

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The big question is, are the 4 gospels

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in the New Testament reliable

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as historical sources?

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According to classical

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historians like Schweitzer

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and FC Bauer, Walter Bauer,

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Rudolf Waltman, h Ramirez, and others, they are

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not reliable historical sources.

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According to contemporary

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historians like Dale Martin, who himself is a

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Trinitarian Catholic at Yale University,

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also Bart Ehrman. They also say, no. They're

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not reliable historical sources, but rather theological sources.

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Why are they not reliable historical sources according

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to these,

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historians?

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They say there's six reasons. They say they're

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too late.

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They're written between 40

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70 years

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after the events that they purport to describe.

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They say that they're anonymous.

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The 4 evangelists, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John,

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do not identify themselves.

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They were later pseudonymously

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ascribed to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, who

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are 2 disciples of Isa alaihi salaam. 1

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is a disciple of Peter and 1 is

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a disciple of Paul.

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So they're not written by eyewitnesses.

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That's the third reason. Number 4, they're not

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disinterested.

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We'll come back to this one.

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Number 5, they're written in the wrong language.

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They're written in Greek whereas Isa alaihis salam

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and his disciples spoke Syriac,

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a Semitic language.

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And number 6, they have certain

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or numerous inconsistencies

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that cannot be

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reconciled or harmonized.

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Let's go back to number 4, that the

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4 gospels are not disinterested.

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So this is to say that the 4

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gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John,

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reflect what's known as Pauline Christology.

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Paul's Christology,

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who many would argue is the actual founder

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of Christianity.

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Paul says in 2nd Timothy chapter 2 verse

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8, he says, remember Jesus Christ,

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in the Greek,

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literally from the sperm of David, from the

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seed of David.

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Interestingly, Paul doesn't know about the virgin birth

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at all. He never mentions it. He believes

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that Jesus is literally a descendant of David.

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He said, remember Jesus of the seed of

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David

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was raised from the from the dead,

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in the Greek,

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according to my gospel.

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That's my gospel.

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So if he's just scratched under the surface

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here, it seems like Paul is saying that

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there are other gospels. And indeed, in Galatians,

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he does say that explicitly, and we're gonna

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get to that in a minute

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In 1st Corinthians chapter 15 verse 17,

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Paul says, if Christ is not raised,

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if there's no resurrection,

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our faith is null and void.

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Our faith is in vain.

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Paul is saying everything, every Christian faith hinges

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completely

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on this

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event, the so called death and resurrection

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of.

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So you have these 4 gospels that are

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basically they have theological

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agendas. They're polemical tractates.

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Right? The primary goal of the evangelists,

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the authors of these

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books, is to convince you with respect to

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a theological

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position

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not to describe accurate history.

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History is written through the lens of their

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theology.

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John admits this at the end of his

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gospel, the gospel of John chapter 20 verse

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31. He says, these things have been written

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in order

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in order that you might know that Jesus

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is the Christ,

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the son of God.

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This is the whole point of writing these

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gospels,

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is to impart theology,

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not history, not accurate history.

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So the big question here is then, if

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the evangelist and subsequent scribes

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can change and embellish and manipulate

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traditions or stories in the gospels

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due to apologetic

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or polemical or Christological

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considerations.

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How do we know that what they said

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was true?

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I'll give you an example. In Luke chapter

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23,

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Luke says that when Jesus was hanging on

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the cross,

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he cries out

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in the original Greek, which means father forgive

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them for they know not what they do.

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Now if you go into the most ancient

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and best manuscripts,

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the gospel of Luke in Greek, this verse

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is nowhere to be found.

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Scholars have concluded that it's basically a polemical

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response

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to a Christological

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heresy

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in the late 1st century called Marcionism.

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So there's this Christian guy named Marcion,

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very influential,

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who was by theists. He said the God

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of the old testament is a different God

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than Jesus, the God of the New Testament,

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and he was vehemently anti Jewish.

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And he called the Jews,

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God killers. They're guilty of deicide,

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killing

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God. Right? So sometime in the 2nd century,

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a scribe

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put these words upon the lips of Jesus,

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fabricated the gospel of Luke. Now you have

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Jesus forgiving the Jews from the cross.

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Okay.

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So and there are other examples.

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So what Bart Ehrman,

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he his advice is when you read the

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4 gospels, you should read them horizontally rather

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than vertically.

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So vertical reading of the gospels is what

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we do naturally. We start with Matthew. We

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read it all the way through, then we

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go to Mark, then we go to Luke,

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then we go to John. But he says

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that's not the right way to to read

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the gospels.

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Horizontal reading of the gospels

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is when you read it

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according to a synopsis.

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So Kurt Allen and Barbara Allen did this

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really beautiful

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job, synopsis of the New Testament gospels. I

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think it's called synopsis of the 4 gospels

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that they study in seminary. So how do

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you do that? Basically,

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you read a pericope or a passage in

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1 gospel and then go to that same

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event described in another gospel and notice the

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differences.

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With horizontal reading, you'll notice these differences,

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the subtle changes made by scribes.

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So for example, you read Matthew's gospel, read

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about the baptism of Jesus in Matthew's gospel.

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Then you go to Mark and read about

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the baptism of Jesus. You'll notice some differences.

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Go to Luke and read his description of

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the baptism. Then go to John, there's no

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baptism.

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Right? Go to Matthew, read about the Sermon

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on the Mount.

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What does Jesus say on the Sermon on

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the Mount?

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Go to Luke,

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slightly different. The Lord's Prayer, slightly different. A

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little bit different here and there, Sermon on

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the Mount. Mark, no Sermon on the Mount.

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John, no Sermon on the Mount.

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So this is a horizontal reading. Now let's

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look at the passion narratives in Matthew, Mark,

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Luke, and John.

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Did Jesus defend himself at his trial

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according to the New Testament gospels?

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What's the answer?

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To borrow a phrase from Ehrman,

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it depends on which gospel you read.

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In some gospels, he defends himself. In other

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ones, he does not. Was he flogged

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before he was crucified

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according to the bible?

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Well, it depends on which gospel you read.

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Was he crucified on the eve of Passover

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or the night before?

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It depends on which gospel you read.

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Did he bear his own cross to Golgotha,

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the place where he was supposedly crucified? Did

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he carry his own cross or did someone

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else carry it for him? It depends on

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which gospel you read. Was he impaled on

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the cross? Was he speared to death on

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the cross? It depends on which gospel you

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read. Did the crossmates,

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the men who are crucified with him, did

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they make fun of him? Did they mock

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him and revile him? Or did one of

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them actually praise him? It depends on which

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gospel you read.

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Was there an earthquake, an eclipse, a storm?

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Did saints come out of their graves and

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walk around Jerusalem?

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It depends on which gospel you read.

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Who went to the tomb on Easter Sunday?

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It depends on which gospel you read.

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How many how many people went there? It

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depends on which gospel you read.

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Why did they go to the tomb? What

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was the reason? It depends on which gospel

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you read.

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What did they see when they got there?

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It depends on which gospel you read.

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What did they do next?

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It depends on which gospel you read.

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Did Jesus appear to his disciples in Galilee

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or in Jerusalem and its suburbs or to

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nobody.

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It depends on which gospels you read.

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So

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is there any way to harmonize

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these 4 books? I would say that harmonization

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of these 4 passion narratives

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is impossible. What time was he crucified?

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9 AM or at noon? When did he

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die? It depends on which gospel you read.

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So if you want to harmonize these 4

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gospels

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and put them into a single account, like

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Tatian actually did, a student of Justin Martyr,

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he called it the Diatessaron,

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the gospel through 4,

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then essentially what you're doing is you're writing

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your own gospel,

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like the gospel according to Mel Gibson, also

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known as the Passion According the Passion of

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the Christ.

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Right? Where he integrates elements of all 4

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gospels.

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And sometimes, he takes elements that are found

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in no gospel.

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Satan at the Garden of Gethsemane

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during,

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during Jesus's prayer and agony, that's not mentioned

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in any gospel. There's no Satan there.

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Why is he mentioning that? Because there was

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a an Augustinian

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nun named

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Anne Emmerich who was astigmatic. She would bleed

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from her hands and she would have these

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visions of Christ and she wrote these things

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down in her diary. So a lot of

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what she wrote down was was taken into

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the movie, was incorporated

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into that movie by Mel Gibson being a

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devout Catholic.

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So

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scholars believe that what's known as mark in

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priority.

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Mark wrote first.

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Matthew and Luke used Mark's skeletal,

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chronology

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and wrote their own gospels based on Mark.

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If this is true, which is a dominant

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opinion in academia,

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why would Matthew

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using Mark's gospel, why would Matthew

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rework,

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reword, and redact

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Mark in passages If he believed Mark was

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inspired by God?

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What does this tell you about how Matthew

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felt about Mark's gospel?

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If he felt it was inspired by God

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as the vast majority of Christians believe the

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gospel of Mark to be, why is Matthew,

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who's also supposed to be inspired by God,

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changing Mark's gospel at times, cleaning up the

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grammar? Mark's grammar is not very good in

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the Greek. It repeats a lot of words

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over and over again.

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It doesn't sound very good. Right? So Matthew

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has to clean it up.

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Now,

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William,

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William Lane, Craig, and Mike Lacona, these are

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prominent,

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Christian apologists.

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They admit

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they admit

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that

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Matthew

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made embellishments.

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Right?

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For example, the saints coming out of their

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graves when Jesus was resurrected,

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walking around Jerusalem.

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They say, yeah, that sounds a lot like

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Plutarch's, you know, account of the death of

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Romulus,

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one of the founders of Rome.

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So if they admit that Matthew and Luke

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and John

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made embellishments,

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what else did they embellish?

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What does it say about these books being

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the word of God?

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Interestingly, there are only four references to Jesus

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in pagan and Jewish sources.

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By pagan, I mean Roman

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Roman and Jewish sources

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in the first 100 years of the Christian

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era. From the year 33 to 133,

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there are only four references to Jesus

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in Roman and Jewish sources. In other words,

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outside Christian sources.

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One of them is by the Roman historian

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Tacitus

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in his Annals around 116

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of the Common Era,

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and he simply repeated what some of the

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Christians at that place were saying about Jesus.

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The other one is by Pliny the Younger,

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a Roman official around 110 of the common

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era,

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writing to the emperor Trajan as to how

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to deal with Christians

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in his province.

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Then you have 2 passages from Josephus,

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the Jewish philosopher,

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around 95 of the common era in his

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antiquities.

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One is a very, very quick reference to

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Christ where he's actually

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describing James, the brother of Jesus. He says,

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James, whose brother

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was called Christ.

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The other reference by Josephus

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is called the Testimonium

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Flavinium,

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the testimony of Josephus,

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which describes Jesus as the Christ and how

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he died and then was resurrected.

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This is a total fabrication

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to the antiquities by admission of almost

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all Christian scholars.

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So in reality,

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none of these sources,

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none of these non Christian sources

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say that Jesus was resurrected.

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So by default,

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historians use the New Testament gospels.

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This is all we have from the 1st

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century.

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In other words, the only sources

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that say Jesus was crucified,

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from the 1st century

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are the New Testament gospels, and they are

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not reliable

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as historical sources, but rather

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theological sources.

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Let me give you an example.

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Luke,

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he takes a

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mark in pericope.

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So Mark chapter 6. This is called the

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rejection

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at Nazareth.

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This is sort of Jesus' final sort of

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speech

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in Galilee before he goes into Jerusalem.

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It's in Mark chapter 6. Luke takes that

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speech and moves it to the beginning of

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his gospel

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and makes it Jesus' inaugural

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address.

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Now Luke knows

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that 100 of years from now, people are

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going to know that he deliberately manipulated the

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chronology of events here. He doesn't care

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because for the 4 evangelists,

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the most important thing is imparting theology.

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Right? Not history. They're not interested.

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There's a historical element, no doubt, to the

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4 gospels, but much more important and trumping

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history completely, taking a total backseat is history

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to theology.

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They're trying to in incorporate,

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and

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impart

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theology, their theological stances.

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They're writing their theology.

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They're writing their history, I should say, through

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the lens of their theology.

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And only theology in the Pauline

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or Hellenistic

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or what we call the proto Trinitarian

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schools of thought, And the gospels have very

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little to do with the Jamesonian

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or Semitic

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or proto Unitarian

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schools of thought. So Paul versus James,

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you know, this dichotomy

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is a big topic.

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To sum it up very quickly for you,

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in the 1st century, it's very, very clear

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that there are 2 distinct interpretations

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of the gospel of Jesus.

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Right? There's Paul's interpretation.

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Paul,

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a self proclaimed apostle of Christ, never met

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the historical Christ,

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is basing his apostleship on a vision he

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had on the way to Damascus.

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And then there's Jamesonian

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Christianity

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based on,

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James,

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who is the brother of Jesus and the

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successor of Christ, the leader of the Jerusalem

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episcopate

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after the ascension of Riis alaihis salam, they

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have 2 vastly different

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interpretations of the gospel. In fact, many scholars

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like the 2 Bowers I mentioned, FC Bauer,

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Walter Bauer, even Kierkegaard,

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even Thomas Jefferson

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believe that Paul is the corruptor

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of the gospel.

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In Galatians

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and keep in mind that Paul,

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he authored more than half of the New

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Testament. All of his letters and epistles were

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written before the 4 gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke,

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and John.

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In Galatians, written around 55 of the common

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era, Paul admits that he has enemies.

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And he says that these enemies believe in,

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in his own words,

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gospel.

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His enemies believe in another gospel. So Paul

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is not he he has other enemies, like

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the Jews were his enemies, pagans are his

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enemies, but he's not talking about them here.

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He's talking about other Christians

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that he considers to be his enemies.

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F. C. Bauer is sort of the traditional

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authority on the book of Galatians,

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and this is what he says happened. He

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says Paul, a freelance apostle, goes into Galatia

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in modern day Turkey and evangelizes the populace.

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James in Jerusalem,

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the successor of Christ, he hears about Paul's

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deviant teachings.

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So he sends his own apostles into Galatia

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with letters of recommendation.

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This is what Paul is telling us. They

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have letters of recommendation. What are these letters?

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These are ijazat. These are teaching licenses

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that are given to them by James, the

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brother of Jesus. Because senate, like,

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knowledge is very important to the early Christian

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movement. Paul does not have. He's not an

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apostle. He doesn't have permission to teach the

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gospel. This is what FC Bauer says based

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on Paul's writings in Galatians. So these apostles

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go into Galatia to correct Paul's deviant teachings.

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And Paul names his enemies in Galatia. You

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know, you read like something like the book

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of Romans. Paul wrote Romans.

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And, you know, that's Paul's sort of Christology,

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his soteriology.

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But the the scholars say that Galatians is

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really what Paul was thinking.

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This is really what he's thinking. Right?

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So he names his enemies.

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He says, you know, these apostles

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in Jerusalem, he calls them so called pillars.

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He calls them hypocrites.

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He calls them, sarcastically,

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super apostles.

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Right? Who are these apostles he's talking about?

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He name drops.

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He says their names are Yaakov

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and Keifa

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and Yohanan.

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James,

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Peter,

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and John.

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These are direct students of Isa, a s

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olam, that Paul is accusing of hypocrisy.

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There's fundamental difference of opinion between the Jamesonian

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school with respect to what the gospel is

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and the Pauline school.

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In the gospel of Thomas,

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statement number 12, which is not in the

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New Testament, obviously,

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but some consider to be a 5th gospel.

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Some even consider the gospel of Thomas to

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be more early than the synoptic gospels, Matthew,

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Mark, and Luke. Jesus says in statement number

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12 in the gospel of Thomas, when I

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am gone,

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you must go to James the just

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for whose sake heaven and earth came into

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being.

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Jesus here is,

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giving the the apostles

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his haditha as it were, endorsing James as

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his successor.

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James the just, Ya'akov

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Had Sadiq.

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Interestingly enough, the Khalifa of Isa alaihi salam,

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his lakab, his nickname,

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hassadiq,

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is the same lakab of the Khalifa of

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the prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wa sallam as

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siddiq.

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Right? Has siddiq Ya'aqov

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in Hebrew, and Abu Bakr as siddiq in

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Arabic. That's in the gospel

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of Thomas.

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In Philippians,

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Paul calls his enemies,

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these other apostles,

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these other Christians who believe in another gospel,

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he calls them dogs,

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enemies of the cross,

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enemies

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of the cross. Raymond Brown, a great authority,

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a sage exeget of the New Testament.

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He says this is probably because these apostles

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denied the crucifixion

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of Isa alaihis salam.

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So the New Testament is by and large

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representative

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of Pauline Christianity

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and the cross is central. Remember what Paul

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said? If Christ is not raised, our faith

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is vain, is null and void.

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14

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of the 27 books of the New Testament

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are either written by Paul or someone pretending

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to be Paul.

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One book of the New Testament is written

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by James, the successor of the Isa alaihis

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salam.

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So how did this happen?

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Well, in a nutshell,

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Constantine,

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the first Christian emperor,

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when he converted to Christianity or when he

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embraced

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or endorsed

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Pauline Christianity,

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he called for the Council of Nicaea in

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325, the first ecumenical council.

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And many of the bishops that were there,

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318 bishops,

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they took a vote. Many of them, historians

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believe, like Henry Chadwick, were intimidated by Constantine

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to vote that Jesus is in fact

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He is of the same essence

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as the

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father. So therefore, Jesus becomes

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God officially.

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And, of course, in 3/81, the Council of

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Constantinople,

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Theodosius,

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the next emperor or

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a later emperor, they voted again and indeed,

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the Holy Spirit was also found to be

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God by vote. Very democratic

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process apparently.

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All other forms of Christianity

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were marginalized,

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declared illegal by imperial mandate.

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So where are all the Jewish Christian writings?

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Where are their books and their polemics and

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their apologies?

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They're gone because they redeemed heresy.

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We know that there was a book called

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the gospel of the Evunim,

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the gospel of the Ebionites.

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We know there was a book called the

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gospel of the Nutsrim

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of the Nazarenes.

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We know there was a gospel called the

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gospel of the Hebrews.

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The, communities that authored these books did not

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believe that Jesus was God

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nor that he died for their sins.

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They believed they were practicing Jews who worship

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in the temple. They followed the kashrut and

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the mitzvot. They followed all the laws and

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commandments.

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The only difference was that they believed to

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be

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to be the Messiah.

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The gospel of the Ebionites, the gospel of

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the Nazarenes,

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the gospel of the Hebrews, these books are

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lost.

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The only reason why we know about them

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is because proto orthodox,

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Christian apologists

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like Tertullian and Irenaeus,

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Origen and Jerome,

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they would quote these books in their refutations

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of these books.

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So in other words, we only have one

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side of the story.

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So the 4 gospels are not reliable historically,

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and they only represent one side of the

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conflict,

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one side of the conflict.

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In fact, there have been seasoned historians,

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Bruno Bauer,

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GA Wells,

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Tom Harper,

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that completely denied Jesus even ever existed,

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let alone

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that he was crucified and resurrected.

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Modern day

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atheist and historian Richard Carrier,

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He calls this the Jesus myth movement and

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he wants this to have peer review.

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He wants scholars, PhDs to sit down and

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actually discuss this issue, but it's so sensitive.

00:31:03 --> 00:31:05

Of course, I wouldn't go that far, and

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we can't go that far because we know

00:31:07 --> 00:31:10

Isa alaihi salaam existed because as Sadiq al

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Amin, Saydah Muhammad

00:31:12 --> 00:31:15

Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam, he said that Isa Alaihi

00:31:15 --> 00:31:15

Salam

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existed

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in And

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if the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam said it,

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then it's true.

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Right? But I would argue this idea that

00:31:25 --> 00:31:28

it's historical fact that Christ was crucified,

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I would say that needs to be reviewed

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by peers,

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by

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academics.

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Okay.

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And it's interesting. There was a there was

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a preacher called Apollodius of Tyanna.

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He's a contemporary with Jesus. He lived in

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a different country, though.

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He died around 100 he he was like

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from 15 to 100 the common era,

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and he performed miracles and things like that.

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And he was also seen by his disciples

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after his death.

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You know, my question is, you know, why

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don't Christians believe that Apollonius of Tyanna

00:32:10 --> 00:32:13

was seen by his disciples in visions? Mike

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Lacona answered because I debated Mike Lacona. You

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can actually find this on YouTube if you

00:32:17 --> 00:32:17

want.

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We debated, like, 2006 or something. He said,

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you know those accounts about Apollonius of Tyanna?

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He said they're late,

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they're not eyewitness accounts, and they're all biased.

00:32:28 --> 00:32:30

So that's exactly what historians

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say about the New Testament gospels. They're late,

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they're not based on eyewitness accounts,

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and they're very biased.

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Lacono will say,

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however, everyone agrees that the Titanic sank.

00:32:44 --> 00:32:47

Right? There's only differences in the peripherals. In

00:32:47 --> 00:32:48

other words, everyone believes Jesus was killed and

00:32:48 --> 00:32:50

resurrected. Here's a little bit difference of opinion

00:32:50 --> 00:32:53

on sort of, you know, side issues.

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But the sinking of the Titanic is probable

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because there's physical evidence

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of it. There's forensic evidence. There's eyewitness testimony.

00:33:03 --> 00:33:05

But the resurrection of a man god

00:33:06 --> 00:33:08

is highly improbable.

00:33:08 --> 00:33:09

In fact, miraculous.

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And by definition,

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a miracle is the least probable occurrence.

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The historian cannot say Jesus rose from the

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dead, but only that he was claimed to

00:33:20 --> 00:33:23

have been seen after his death. Bart Ehrman

00:33:23 --> 00:33:25

says, you know, visual experiences of Jesus

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documented thousands of times are much more probable

00:33:29 --> 00:33:31

than the miracle of the resurrection.

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This is theological.

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It's a faith conviction.

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Also, we have no evidence as to how

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the disciples died.

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Christians want to say to disciples,

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they died defending the truth that Jesus was

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resurrected.

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We have no idea how the disciples died.

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There were 3rd century sort of romantic legends

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about them. You know, Thomas going into India,

00:33:52 --> 00:33:53

Thadeus going into Iraq,

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Mark founding the church in Egypt,

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even Andrew going as far as England,

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but nobody takes these stories very seriously.

00:34:04 --> 00:34:06

So I wanna give you

00:34:07 --> 00:34:09

Bart Ehrman's historical hypothesis,

00:34:09 --> 00:34:11

and he's got many of them.

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So he's he he's trying to,

00:34:14 --> 00:34:15

he wants to present

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a narrative, a passion narrative of Christ

00:34:19 --> 00:34:23

that is more probable and therefore, more historical

00:34:23 --> 00:34:27

than the Christian passion narrative because it's devoid

00:34:27 --> 00:34:27

of miracles.

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This is what Ehrman says. He says, Jesus

00:34:30 --> 00:34:33

was crucified. He was killed. He has no

00:34:33 --> 00:34:34

reason to question,

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this this event.

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He was killed. He was put into a

00:34:38 --> 00:34:40

common grave, he says.

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And he points out that most times, the

00:34:43 --> 00:34:44

Romans will not allow families

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to claim,

00:34:47 --> 00:34:49

the bodies of crucified victims. It was almost

00:34:49 --> 00:34:51

unheard of. It would be thrown into common

00:34:51 --> 00:34:52

graves.

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Jesus was then seen in visions by certain

00:34:56 --> 00:34:59

people, his disciples, because they loved and longed

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for him. And he said it was very

00:35:01 --> 00:35:01

common.

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And then the myth of the empty tomb

00:35:03 --> 00:35:04

began later.

00:35:05 --> 00:35:08

Interestingly, Paul does not mention an empty tomb

00:35:08 --> 00:35:09

anywhere in his writings.

00:35:11 --> 00:35:12

And this idea of a,

00:35:13 --> 00:35:16

a dying and rising savior man god, a

00:35:16 --> 00:35:17

soter man god,

00:35:18 --> 00:35:21

was very common or attractive to Hellenistic Christians

00:35:21 --> 00:35:23

at that time. We'll get to Paul's pneumatology

00:35:23 --> 00:35:24

a little bit later.

00:35:25 --> 00:35:27

So this is what Ehrman says probably happened,

00:35:27 --> 00:35:30

because this is more probable, this is more

00:35:30 --> 00:35:30

historical

00:35:31 --> 00:35:33

than the Christian passion narrative of Jesus being

00:35:33 --> 00:35:34

crucified

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and then being resurrected.

00:35:36 --> 00:35:38

In fact, according to Dale Martin,

00:35:39 --> 00:35:41

it was Helen, the mother of Constantine,

00:35:42 --> 00:35:43

in the 4th century

00:35:43 --> 00:35:46

who first chose the place of the tomb

00:35:46 --> 00:35:46

of

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Christ and the building of the Church of

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the Holy Sepulchre. It was not known with

00:35:51 --> 00:35:53

any certainty before this time.

00:35:54 --> 00:35:56

Now what I'm going to offer now

00:35:56 --> 00:36:00

are 4 more probable, hence more plausible,

00:36:00 --> 00:36:01

naturalistic,

00:36:01 --> 00:36:03

hence more historical,

00:36:03 --> 00:36:04

hypotheses

00:36:04 --> 00:36:07

as to what happened to Rizalai Salam

00:36:07 --> 00:36:08

that is simultaneously

00:36:09 --> 00:36:10

more consistent

00:36:10 --> 00:36:11

theologically

00:36:12 --> 00:36:14

with pre Christian Jewish messianic

00:36:15 --> 00:36:15

expectations

00:36:16 --> 00:36:17

than the,

00:36:17 --> 00:36:20

Christian passion and resurrection

00:36:20 --> 00:36:21

narrative.

00:36:21 --> 00:36:24

In other words, 4 more historical

00:36:25 --> 00:36:27

4 more historical hypotheses

00:36:28 --> 00:36:29

that happen to agree

00:36:30 --> 00:36:31

with Islam.

00:36:31 --> 00:36:33

Right? Why are they more historical?

00:36:33 --> 00:36:36

Because I don't have to resort to miracles.

00:36:36 --> 00:36:39

Right? Now, obviously, we believe in miracles. But

00:36:39 --> 00:36:42

the point here is to repudiate this idea

00:36:42 --> 00:36:43

that the Christian position

00:36:44 --> 00:36:46

of Jesus being killed and resurrected

00:36:46 --> 00:36:47

is historical,

00:36:47 --> 00:36:49

and the Muslims are denying history.

00:36:51 --> 00:36:53

So I won't resort to miracles.

00:36:53 --> 00:36:55

The first one is called the twin hypothesis.

00:36:56 --> 00:36:57

The twin hypothesis.

00:36:58 --> 00:37:00

Did you know that 2nd century Syrian Christians

00:37:00 --> 00:37:02

believed Jesus had a twin brother?

00:37:03 --> 00:37:06

His name was Jude, also known as

00:37:06 --> 00:37:09

Judas Thomas. In fact, the name Thomas Thoma

00:37:09 --> 00:37:10

in Aramaic

00:37:10 --> 00:37:11

means twin.

00:37:12 --> 00:37:14

Now, not literally a twin brother,

00:37:14 --> 00:37:17

but someone who looked a lot like Jesus.

00:37:17 --> 00:37:20

So Jesus affectionately calls him Thoma.

00:37:20 --> 00:37:22

He's like my twin. He looks just like

00:37:22 --> 00:37:25

me. Right? In fact, in the Acts of

00:37:25 --> 00:37:25

Thomas,

00:37:25 --> 00:37:27

a book that is not in the New

00:37:27 --> 00:37:27

Testament,

00:37:28 --> 00:37:31

Jesus and Thomas are always being confused

00:37:31 --> 00:37:33

for one another because they look very similar.

00:37:33 --> 00:37:34

In fact, Ja'far,

00:37:35 --> 00:37:36

Ibnu Abi Talib,

00:37:37 --> 00:37:38

was a companion that the prophet

00:37:39 --> 00:37:41

said something similar. He says, you know, from

00:37:41 --> 00:37:43

a distance, he looks exactly like me, and

00:37:43 --> 00:37:45

he's similar to me, not only in his

00:37:45 --> 00:37:47

haluk, in his physical appearance, but in his

00:37:47 --> 00:37:48

haluk,

00:37:48 --> 00:37:50

in his character.

00:37:50 --> 00:37:52

So here's the twin hypothesis.

00:37:54 --> 00:37:55

Jesus is on the Mount of Olives.

00:37:56 --> 00:37:59

He knows that a group of temple guards

00:37:59 --> 00:38:01

are coming to arrest him and to kill

00:38:01 --> 00:38:01

him.

00:38:02 --> 00:38:03

Thomas,

00:38:03 --> 00:38:04

his twin,

00:38:04 --> 00:38:07

volunteers to die for him because he loved

00:38:07 --> 00:38:07

him.

00:38:08 --> 00:38:09

Thomas is taken and crucified,

00:38:10 --> 00:38:12

buried at a common grave.

00:38:12 --> 00:38:14

Several days later, people claim to have seen

00:38:14 --> 00:38:17

Jesus alive. In fact, he was alive.

00:38:18 --> 00:38:20

Some claim that he was resurrected.

00:38:20 --> 00:38:22

He explains the truth to his disciples,

00:38:23 --> 00:38:25

but rumors continue to grow and grow.

00:38:26 --> 00:38:28

Eventually, legends of an empty tomb

00:38:29 --> 00:38:31

begin amongst Hellenistic Christians

00:38:31 --> 00:38:34

who are already attracted to this idea of

00:38:34 --> 00:38:37

a dying and rising savior man god. Christians

00:38:37 --> 00:38:39

like Mark, who writes in 70 of the

00:38:39 --> 00:38:42

Common Era, 40 years later,

00:38:42 --> 00:38:44

Matthew and Luke follow suit.

00:38:45 --> 00:38:46

So this is a hypothesis

00:38:46 --> 00:38:48

which is more historical

00:38:48 --> 00:38:50

than the Christian passion narrative because I didn't

00:38:50 --> 00:38:52

have to resort to a miracle.

00:38:53 --> 00:38:56

Again, the claim here is that Christians are

00:38:56 --> 00:38:59

saying that Jesus dying and being resurrected

00:38:59 --> 00:39:00

is historical bedrock

00:39:01 --> 00:39:03

and Muslims are denying history.

00:39:03 --> 00:39:05

But to say that Jesus was resurrected

00:39:06 --> 00:39:07

resurrected himself

00:39:08 --> 00:39:10

is not historical. That's not how history is

00:39:10 --> 00:39:11

done.

00:39:11 --> 00:39:12

That's a faith conviction.

00:39:13 --> 00:39:15

And now in light of new archaeological

00:39:16 --> 00:39:18

discoveries, we'll get to those later, this whole

00:39:18 --> 00:39:19

idea of Jesus being crucified

00:39:20 --> 00:39:22

as being historical fact, that has to be

00:39:22 --> 00:39:22

reassessed

00:39:23 --> 00:39:23

as well.

00:39:26 --> 00:39:28

2nd theory is called the Barabas

00:39:28 --> 00:39:29

hypothesis.

00:39:30 --> 00:39:32

So for this one, you can see Bruce

00:39:32 --> 00:39:34

Metzger's textual analysis of the new testament. He

00:39:34 --> 00:39:36

goes into it a little bit, but I'll,

00:39:37 --> 00:39:38

sort of give you

00:39:38 --> 00:39:40

the the the quick version of it.

00:39:41 --> 00:39:42

So we are told that,

00:39:43 --> 00:39:44

it was Roman custom,

00:39:46 --> 00:39:48

for the Roman governor of Judea, whose name

00:39:48 --> 00:39:51

was Pontius Pilate, that once a year before

00:39:51 --> 00:39:54

Passover, he would simply release a Jewish prisoner

00:39:54 --> 00:39:55

that he had in custody,

00:39:56 --> 00:39:58

right, as a show of goodwill. Now there's

00:39:58 --> 00:39:58

no,

00:39:59 --> 00:40:02

historical evidence of this ever happening in Roman

00:40:02 --> 00:40:03

records.

00:40:03 --> 00:40:05

Right? So this could be another example of

00:40:05 --> 00:40:06

Matthew,

00:40:07 --> 00:40:09

writing history through the lens of his theology.

00:40:10 --> 00:40:12

If you think about it, on Yom Kippur,

00:40:12 --> 00:40:15

a lamb is slaughtered and one is released.

00:40:15 --> 00:40:18

Right? Seems like Matthew has this in mind.

00:40:18 --> 00:40:20

So 2 men are gonna be presented. 1's

00:40:20 --> 00:40:21

going to be released. 1's going to be

00:40:21 --> 00:40:23

slaughtered. So this could

00:40:23 --> 00:40:25

be something non historical, but Matthew's trying to

00:40:25 --> 00:40:27

make a theological point.

00:40:28 --> 00:40:29

But let's just say it is historical. Let's

00:40:29 --> 00:40:31

say it did happen even though it's not

00:40:31 --> 00:40:32

attested in Roman sources.

00:40:32 --> 00:40:34

Say Pilate did have this custom.

00:40:36 --> 00:40:37

So this is what it says in Matthew

00:40:38 --> 00:40:39

27.

00:40:39 --> 00:40:41

It says Pilate brought out 2 prisoners.

00:40:42 --> 00:40:43

1 was named

00:40:43 --> 00:40:44

Barabbas.

00:40:44 --> 00:40:45

The other was named,

00:40:47 --> 00:40:47

Jesus

00:40:48 --> 00:40:48

Christ.

00:40:49 --> 00:40:49

Right?

00:40:50 --> 00:40:52

And he says, which shall I release to

00:40:52 --> 00:40:53

you? The crowd screams.

00:40:54 --> 00:40:57

Apparently, they say, release Barabbas and crucify

00:40:57 --> 00:40:58

Jesus.

00:40:59 --> 00:41:00

So then according to Matthew,

00:41:01 --> 00:41:04

Pilate releases Barabbas and crucifies Jesus.

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Now what's interesting is

00:41:07 --> 00:41:10

that early versions of Matthew's gospel

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give us the first name of Barabbas.

00:41:13 --> 00:41:15

It's an interesting first name.

00:41:15 --> 00:41:17

Does anyone know what his first name is?

00:41:18 --> 00:41:19

Jesus. Jesus

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is also Jesus. And in fact, Barabbas is

00:41:23 --> 00:41:24

not a name. It's a title.

00:41:25 --> 00:41:26

It's a patronym.

00:41:26 --> 00:41:27

In Aramaic,

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Barabbah.

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Barabbah means the son of the father.

00:41:32 --> 00:41:35

Barabbas is no ordinary brigand or thief.

00:41:35 --> 00:41:38

He is a messianic claimant. He's claiming to

00:41:38 --> 00:41:41

be the messiah. He's probably a Galilean like

00:41:41 --> 00:41:43

Jesus. You can tell them from their accents.

00:41:43 --> 00:41:45

Right? They have a strange accent. And

00:41:46 --> 00:41:48

the Galileans were known for two things. They

00:41:48 --> 00:41:51

were good fishermen and they were zealots. They're

00:41:51 --> 00:41:52

known for insurrections

00:41:52 --> 00:41:54

against the Roman occupiers.

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So you have these 2 would be messiahs

00:41:57 --> 00:41:58

that are brought out. So think about it

00:41:58 --> 00:42:01

now. Early versions of Matthew tell us that

00:42:01 --> 00:42:04

Barabbas' first name is also Jesus. So think

00:42:04 --> 00:42:06

about what Pilate is asking the crowd. He's

00:42:06 --> 00:42:08

saying, who do I release to you? Yeshu

00:42:08 --> 00:42:09

Abar Abba,

00:42:10 --> 00:42:12

Jesus Christ, or Yeshuah

00:42:12 --> 00:42:13

Meshiach,

00:42:14 --> 00:42:15

Jesus Christ.

00:42:15 --> 00:42:17

Who do I release? Jesus Christ or Jesus

00:42:17 --> 00:42:18

Christ?

00:42:18 --> 00:42:19

And they say, Jesus Christ.

00:42:20 --> 00:42:21

And who do I crucify?

00:42:21 --> 00:42:22

Jesus Christ.

00:42:22 --> 00:42:24

So you see how there's confusion.

00:42:24 --> 00:42:26

Right? Who was crucified?

00:42:27 --> 00:42:30

So subsequent scribes of Matthew's gospel,

00:42:30 --> 00:42:33

they went into the gospel and they erased

00:42:33 --> 00:42:33

Barabbas'

00:42:34 --> 00:42:35

first name.

00:42:36 --> 00:42:39

Right? So most of the English translations that

00:42:39 --> 00:42:40

you have with the bible, look at Matthew

00:42:40 --> 00:42:43

17, you won't find Barabbas' first name. I

00:42:43 --> 00:42:44

think only the NIV,

00:42:44 --> 00:42:47

the new international version, goes back to more

00:42:47 --> 00:42:49

ancient Greek manuscripts where you actually get that

00:42:49 --> 00:42:51

first name of Barabbas. Why was the name

00:42:51 --> 00:42:54

removed? Probably because there was confusion

00:42:55 --> 00:42:56

in the early church as to who was

00:42:56 --> 00:42:57

actually crucified,

00:42:58 --> 00:42:59

which Jesus was actually crucified.

00:43:01 --> 00:43:03

So here's the Barabbas hypothesis, is that

00:43:05 --> 00:43:06

Pilate releases

00:43:06 --> 00:43:07

Isa alaihi salam

00:43:08 --> 00:43:09

and crucifies Barabbas.

00:43:10 --> 00:43:12

Many in the crowd are confused and don't

00:43:12 --> 00:43:15

know who is who. The Pharisees complained, but

00:43:15 --> 00:43:16

it's too late. It was the will of

00:43:16 --> 00:43:19

the crowd, and Pilate let them judge.

00:43:19 --> 00:43:21

Take it up with the crowd, he says,

00:43:21 --> 00:43:23

and then he washes his hands of it.

00:43:23 --> 00:43:26

Barabbas is crucified and buried in a a

00:43:26 --> 00:43:27

common grave.

00:43:27 --> 00:43:29

Several days later, people claim to have seen

00:43:29 --> 00:43:32

Jesus alive, and in fact, he was alive.

00:43:32 --> 00:43:34

Some claim he was resurrected. He explains the

00:43:34 --> 00:43:37

truth to his disciples, but the rumors grow

00:43:37 --> 00:43:37

and grow.

00:43:38 --> 00:43:40

Eventually, legends of an empty tomb begin

00:43:41 --> 00:43:43

amongst Hellenistic Christians who are attracted to this

00:43:43 --> 00:43:45

idea of dying and rising savior,

00:43:46 --> 00:43:46

man

00:43:47 --> 00:43:49

gods, like Mark who wrote in 70, and

00:43:49 --> 00:43:52

then 40 years later, Matthew and Luke follow

00:43:52 --> 00:43:53

suit.

00:43:54 --> 00:43:55

3rd

00:43:55 --> 00:43:56

hypothesis

00:43:56 --> 00:43:58

is called the Simon hypothesis.

00:44:00 --> 00:44:00

Simon.

00:44:01 --> 00:44:04

Okay. The synoptic gospels, Matthew, Mark, and Luke

00:44:04 --> 00:44:06

tell us this is what it says in

00:44:06 --> 00:44:08

the New Testament. When they're going to crucify

00:44:08 --> 00:44:10

Jesus, the Romans, for no

00:44:11 --> 00:44:12

reason, inexplicably,

00:44:13 --> 00:44:15

they take the cross of Jesus and they

00:44:15 --> 00:44:18

give it to a random guy standing in

00:44:18 --> 00:44:19

the crowd.

00:44:19 --> 00:44:20

Now Christians

00:44:21 --> 00:44:23

conjecture that that's because Jesus was just so

00:44:23 --> 00:44:24

beat down

00:44:24 --> 00:44:26

and he just he couldn't carry the cross.

00:44:27 --> 00:44:29

Right? Although that's not mentioned in argument from

00:44:29 --> 00:44:30

absence.

00:44:30 --> 00:44:32

Right? Doesn't mention that in the New Testament.

00:44:32 --> 00:44:34

We'll get to the extent of the injuries

00:44:34 --> 00:44:36

of Jesus in a minute, what the gospels

00:44:36 --> 00:44:37

actually say.

00:44:37 --> 00:44:39

But for no good reason, they pull this

00:44:39 --> 00:44:41

man out of the crowd named Simon of

00:44:41 --> 00:44:43

Cyrene, his only appearance in the entire New

00:44:43 --> 00:44:44

Testament.

00:44:44 --> 00:44:46

And they compel him to bear the cross.

00:44:46 --> 00:44:48

And as the narrative goes in the New

00:44:48 --> 00:44:50

Testament, Simon takes the cross all the way

00:44:50 --> 00:44:52

up to Golgotha and then they crucify Jesus

00:44:52 --> 00:44:53

on the cross.

00:44:54 --> 00:44:55

Here's the Simon hypothesis.

00:44:57 --> 00:45:00

The Romans compel Simon to bear the cross.

00:45:00 --> 00:45:01

Jesus follows behind

00:45:02 --> 00:45:04

but becomes immersed in the crowd.

00:45:05 --> 00:45:07

A couple of disciples grab hold of him

00:45:07 --> 00:45:09

and pull him quickly into a neighboring apartment.

00:45:10 --> 00:45:13

At Golgotha, the Pharisees complained to the Roman

00:45:13 --> 00:45:13

Centurions,

00:45:14 --> 00:45:15

this is not Jesus.

00:45:16 --> 00:45:18

But the Romans fearing execution

00:45:19 --> 00:45:20

for their incompetence,

00:45:20 --> 00:45:21

fasten

00:45:21 --> 00:45:22

Simon to the cross.

00:45:23 --> 00:45:25

Simon goes willingly because he loved Jesus. He

00:45:25 --> 00:45:28

was a secret disciple and desires martyrdom.

00:45:29 --> 00:45:30

Simon is crucified

00:45:30 --> 00:45:32

and buried in a common grave.

00:45:32 --> 00:45:35

Several days later, people see Jesus who's actually

00:45:35 --> 00:45:37

alive, so on and so forth, rumors of

00:45:37 --> 00:45:38

an empty tomb.

00:45:39 --> 00:45:40

Did you know that there was a Christian

00:45:41 --> 00:45:42

scholar named Basileides

00:45:44 --> 00:45:44

Basileides,

00:45:45 --> 00:45:47

a teacher in Egypt around 125 of the

00:45:47 --> 00:45:50

common era, He wrote the first ever comprehensive

00:45:51 --> 00:45:52

tafsir,

00:45:52 --> 00:45:55

exegesis on the New Testament called the Exegetica,

00:45:56 --> 00:45:57

25 volumes

00:45:58 --> 00:45:59

now completely lost.

00:46:01 --> 00:46:03

He denied the crucifixion of Jesus.

00:46:04 --> 00:46:07

His followers championed a text called the second

00:46:07 --> 00:46:10

treatise of the great Seth, which was discovered

00:46:10 --> 00:46:11

in 1945

00:46:12 --> 00:46:13

at Nag Hammadi, Egypt.

00:46:14 --> 00:46:16

What does it say? It says, Simon was

00:46:16 --> 00:46:16

crucified

00:46:17 --> 00:46:18

instead of Jesus.

00:46:19 --> 00:46:22

So it's historical precedent for this hypothesis.

00:46:23 --> 00:46:24

The final theory

00:46:25 --> 00:46:27

that I'll give you in my historical critique,

00:46:27 --> 00:46:29

and then we're gonna get to a theological

00:46:29 --> 00:46:31

critique in Sholem Aletta'ala. I'll probably have to

00:46:31 --> 00:46:31

go,

00:46:33 --> 00:46:35

a little bit after Maghreb as well.

00:46:35 --> 00:46:37

This is called the swoon theory.

00:46:38 --> 00:46:40

And this one is a little

00:46:41 --> 00:46:41

controversial

00:46:43 --> 00:46:45

because the essence of the swoon theory is

00:46:45 --> 00:46:46

that Jesus was put on the cross,

00:46:47 --> 00:46:48

but he did not die on the cross.

00:46:48 --> 00:46:50

He survived the crucifixion.

00:46:50 --> 00:46:52

And, of course, this theory is made popular

00:46:52 --> 00:46:55

by Muslim apologists like Ahmadidad, for example. The

00:46:55 --> 00:46:55

Ahmadiyya,

00:46:56 --> 00:46:59

a pseudo Islamic sect, they actually believe this

00:46:59 --> 00:47:02

is what really happened to Isa alaihi salaam.

00:47:02 --> 00:47:04

But again, as far as Ahlus Sunnah wal

00:47:04 --> 00:47:06

Jama'a and as far as the Shia, there

00:47:06 --> 00:47:09

is no definitive answer as to what happened

00:47:09 --> 00:47:10

to Isa alaihis salaam. These are hypotheses.

00:47:11 --> 00:47:14

The swoon theory is very interesting though. So

00:47:14 --> 00:47:15

I'll say for the sake of argument.

00:47:16 --> 00:47:18

So in Luke 11

00:47:18 --> 00:47:20

and Matthew 12,

00:47:20 --> 00:47:22

the Pharisees come to Jesus. So anytime

00:47:23 --> 00:47:25

Luke and Matthew I won't get too technical

00:47:25 --> 00:47:28

here. Anytime Luke and Matthew have material in

00:47:28 --> 00:47:31

common that is missing from Mark, the dominant

00:47:31 --> 00:47:33

opinion from Western academics

00:47:33 --> 00:47:36

is that Matthew and Luke had access to

00:47:36 --> 00:47:39

another source called q. They call it q,

00:47:39 --> 00:47:41

the sayings gospel.

00:47:41 --> 00:47:44

The sayings gospel represents the most accurate teachings

00:47:44 --> 00:47:45

of Christ

00:47:46 --> 00:47:47

written concurrently with

00:47:48 --> 00:47:50

Paul's letters. So they haven't been touched or

00:47:50 --> 00:47:52

tainted by Pauline

00:47:52 --> 00:47:53

Christology.

00:47:54 --> 00:47:56

So what Jesus says right now is is

00:47:56 --> 00:48:00

considered by Western scholars of higher biblical criticism

00:48:00 --> 00:48:02

to be extremely accurate

00:48:02 --> 00:48:03

as far as,

00:48:04 --> 00:48:05

representing the actual teachings

00:48:05 --> 00:48:08

of the Isa, alaihis salam. Luke 11, Matthew

00:48:08 --> 00:48:10

12. The Pharisees come to Jesus and they

00:48:10 --> 00:48:12

say to him, give us a sign. Do

00:48:12 --> 00:48:14

something. Do a miracle. Pull a rabbit out

00:48:14 --> 00:48:15

of your hat.

00:48:16 --> 00:48:18

Jesus says to him to them, no sign.

00:48:18 --> 00:48:20

An evil and adulterous generation

00:48:21 --> 00:48:22

seeketh after signs.

00:48:23 --> 00:48:25

No sign shall be given unto you except

00:48:25 --> 00:48:27

the sign of the prophet Jonah.

00:48:27 --> 00:48:29

For as Jonah was 3 days 3 nights

00:48:29 --> 00:48:31

in the belly of the whale,

00:48:31 --> 00:48:33

so shall the son of man, referring to

00:48:33 --> 00:48:35

himself Ben Adam or Bar enash,

00:48:36 --> 00:48:38

so shall the son of man be in

00:48:38 --> 00:48:40

the heart of the earth 3 days 3

00:48:40 --> 00:48:40

nights.

00:48:41 --> 00:48:43

The sign of Jonah. We'll get back to

00:48:43 --> 00:48:44

Jonah in a minute.

00:48:45 --> 00:48:45

Now

00:48:47 --> 00:48:48

Mark says Jesus was put on the cross

00:48:48 --> 00:48:49

at 9 AM.

00:48:50 --> 00:48:52

John says it was noon.

00:48:52 --> 00:48:55

Mark says he died at the 9th hour,

00:48:55 --> 00:48:56

which is 3 PM.

00:48:56 --> 00:48:59

If we take John's start date and

00:48:59 --> 00:49:00

Mark's

00:49:00 --> 00:49:02

end date, he was on the cross for

00:49:02 --> 00:49:03

3 hours.

00:49:04 --> 00:49:05

In Mark 1544,

00:49:06 --> 00:49:08

when Pilate was told that Jesus was dead,

00:49:09 --> 00:49:10

Mark says, Pilate

00:49:11 --> 00:49:11

marveled.

00:49:12 --> 00:49:14

He was amazed. He said, what?

00:49:14 --> 00:49:16

He's dead already?

00:49:16 --> 00:49:19

And this is someone who was witness to

00:49:19 --> 00:49:20

the so called beat down and the flogging

00:49:20 --> 00:49:22

and so on and so forth,

00:49:22 --> 00:49:25

Yet, he marveled. Why did he marvel? This

00:49:25 --> 00:49:27

was the govern Roman governor. His career was

00:49:27 --> 00:49:28

crucifying Jews.

00:49:29 --> 00:49:30

He knew it was impossible for a man

00:49:30 --> 00:49:33

to expire after only 3 hours. It took

00:49:33 --> 00:49:34

days

00:49:34 --> 00:49:36

to die on the cross. Interestingly,

00:49:37 --> 00:49:39

Matthew and Luke, they leave out that little

00:49:39 --> 00:49:41

tidbit that Pilate marveled.

00:49:43 --> 00:49:45

We're also told that in Mark that

00:49:46 --> 00:49:48

Jesus was scorched. He was flogged.

00:49:48 --> 00:49:50

No details are given of the flogging.

00:49:51 --> 00:49:54

So in popular sort of depiction of Christ

00:49:54 --> 00:49:54

in movies,

00:49:55 --> 00:49:58

you have Jesus being whipped within an inch

00:49:58 --> 00:50:00

of his life. His bowels are falling out

00:50:00 --> 00:50:03

of his back according to Joshua McDowell, a

00:50:03 --> 00:50:04

Christian apologist.

00:50:04 --> 00:50:06

But there are no such details given in

00:50:06 --> 00:50:08

the gospels. That's an example of what I

00:50:08 --> 00:50:09

call hermeneutical waterboarding.

00:50:10 --> 00:50:13

Right? That you torture a text long enough

00:50:13 --> 00:50:14

and the text will say what you wanted

00:50:14 --> 00:50:15

to say.

00:50:15 --> 00:50:17

Yeah. He was flogged. He was a *

00:50:17 --> 00:50:19

mess. His flesh was cut to ribbons.

00:50:20 --> 00:50:22

That's not historically accurate even. The Romans did

00:50:22 --> 00:50:23

not do that.

00:50:24 --> 00:50:28

In fact, Luke says that Pilate only threatened

00:50:28 --> 00:50:31

to flog him and never actually flogged him.

00:50:31 --> 00:50:34

Pilate says, I'll chastise him and release him,

00:50:34 --> 00:50:35

which means that flogging was meant as a

00:50:35 --> 00:50:37

sort of minor punishment

00:50:37 --> 00:50:39

because I'm going to release him after that,

00:50:39 --> 00:50:41

not leave him as a * mess to

00:50:41 --> 00:50:42

bleed out and die.

00:50:42 --> 00:50:44

But he never actually does it.

00:50:46 --> 00:50:48

Only one gospel says he was nailed to

00:50:48 --> 00:50:48

the cross.

00:50:49 --> 00:50:50

Only one out of 4,

00:50:51 --> 00:50:53

and it's implicit, and that's the gospel of

00:50:53 --> 00:50:55

John. Doesn't directly say it, but you can

00:50:55 --> 00:50:58

infer from John that he was nailed to

00:50:58 --> 00:50:58

the cross.

00:50:59 --> 00:51:02

In fact, there's almost zero forensic evidence

00:51:02 --> 00:51:05

that Jews were nailed to crosses. There's one

00:51:05 --> 00:51:06

piece of a heel bone that was found

00:51:06 --> 00:51:08

that they found a a nail driven through

00:51:08 --> 00:51:10

it. But according to

00:51:11 --> 00:51:12

Josephus,

00:51:13 --> 00:51:13

Titus

00:51:14 --> 00:51:17

general Titus, he, crucified so many Jews in

00:51:17 --> 00:51:19

Jerusalem that they ran out of lumber.

00:51:20 --> 00:51:20

So

00:51:21 --> 00:51:23

tens of thousands of Jews being nailed to

00:51:23 --> 00:51:25

crosses, almost zero

00:51:25 --> 00:51:27

forensic evidence of being nailed to a cross.

00:51:29 --> 00:51:30

Most likely, he was tied

00:51:31 --> 00:51:32

to the cross.

00:51:34 --> 00:51:36

Another thing. So this idea, you know, of

00:51:36 --> 00:51:38

him being beaten beyond recognition, he's bleeding to

00:51:38 --> 00:51:39

death is untenable.

00:51:39 --> 00:51:42

Right? Why do the Christians overemphasize the pain

00:51:42 --> 00:51:44

of Jesus in popular iconography?

00:51:45 --> 00:51:47

It's because his pain is our gain.

00:51:47 --> 00:51:49

The more he takes a beat down and

00:51:49 --> 00:51:51

dies and it's painful, the more we are

00:51:51 --> 00:51:51

forgiven

00:51:52 --> 00:51:53

for our sins.

00:51:53 --> 00:51:54

Right? His pain

00:51:55 --> 00:51:56

is our gain.

00:51:58 --> 00:52:01

Now when he's on the cross in

00:52:02 --> 00:52:03

John, we're told that

00:52:04 --> 00:52:07

there's a an eclipse, a solar eclipse. And

00:52:07 --> 00:52:09

the Jews say, oh, look. Sabbath is approaching,

00:52:09 --> 00:52:11

and it's a defilement to our land

00:52:11 --> 00:52:13

that people are hung on crosses.

00:52:13 --> 00:52:15

Get him down from the cross.

00:52:15 --> 00:52:16

So the Romans,

00:52:18 --> 00:52:19

apparently at the beck and call of these

00:52:19 --> 00:52:20

Jewish leaders,

00:52:21 --> 00:52:23

they start breaking the legs of his crossmates.

00:52:23 --> 00:52:25

Because if you break someone's legs, they immediately

00:52:25 --> 00:52:27

suffocate on the cross. If you're hanging from

00:52:27 --> 00:52:30

the cross, you're kind of stuck in,

00:52:31 --> 00:52:33

an inhale position. In order to get breath

00:52:33 --> 00:52:35

out, you have to push up with your

00:52:35 --> 00:52:35

legs.

00:52:36 --> 00:52:38

Right? And you keep doing this for days

00:52:38 --> 00:52:41

until fatigue sets in and then you die.

00:52:41 --> 00:52:42

Right?

00:52:42 --> 00:52:44

So if you break a man's legs, he

00:52:44 --> 00:52:45

can't push up for oxygen.

00:52:46 --> 00:52:47

He dies immediately, suffocates.

00:52:48 --> 00:52:50

And it says in John that when they

00:52:50 --> 00:52:51

came to Jesus, the Roman soldier looked at

00:52:51 --> 00:52:53

him and said, he's already dead.

00:52:54 --> 00:52:56

And then he spears him, but the spear

00:52:56 --> 00:52:57

is only mentioned in John.

00:52:58 --> 00:52:58

Right?

00:52:59 --> 00:53:01

So no pulse was taken.

00:53:02 --> 00:53:03

Could have been comatose.

00:53:03 --> 00:53:04

You know,

00:53:05 --> 00:53:07

in in pre modern times, you know the

00:53:07 --> 00:53:09

the term graveyard shift?

00:53:10 --> 00:53:11

You guys worked a graveyard shift

00:53:12 --> 00:53:14

to your security guard or something? So where

00:53:14 --> 00:53:15

does that term come from?

00:53:16 --> 00:53:18

There used to be a guy that used

00:53:18 --> 00:53:18

to sit in graveyards,

00:53:19 --> 00:53:21

It's quite often what would happen is a

00:53:21 --> 00:53:23

man would die and they would bury him.

00:53:23 --> 00:53:25

The doctor at that time would say, yeah,

00:53:25 --> 00:53:27

he's dead. But he was actually in a

00:53:27 --> 00:53:28

coma.

00:53:29 --> 00:53:30

So they put this pedal at the end

00:53:30 --> 00:53:31

of the coffin

00:53:32 --> 00:53:33

that was attached to a rope that would

00:53:33 --> 00:53:35

come up through the earth attached to a

00:53:35 --> 00:53:36

little bell.

00:53:37 --> 00:53:39

So it's quite often that someone would wake

00:53:39 --> 00:53:41

up in their grave and start kicking their

00:53:41 --> 00:53:42

feet and then

00:53:43 --> 00:53:45

and then this guy who's working the graveyard

00:53:45 --> 00:53:47

shift, he would go down and start taking

00:53:47 --> 00:53:49

this guy out of his grave.

00:53:49 --> 00:53:52

That was medicine back then. You know, you

00:53:52 --> 00:53:54

can't read brainwaves. He's doesn't seem to be

00:53:54 --> 00:53:55

breathing. He's dead.

00:53:56 --> 00:53:58

So no pulse was taken from Jesus on

00:53:58 --> 00:54:00

the cross. Now interestingly, we're told in the

00:54:00 --> 00:54:02

gospels, gospel of John,

00:54:03 --> 00:54:05

Jesus had secret disciples from the Pharisees.

00:54:06 --> 00:54:08

One of them was named Joseph of Arimathea,

00:54:08 --> 00:54:11

who came and took Jesus's body very quickly

00:54:11 --> 00:54:13

and took it to his own grave,

00:54:13 --> 00:54:14

Joseph of Arimathea,

00:54:15 --> 00:54:17

his own grave, and then he rolled a

00:54:17 --> 00:54:19

stone in front of the grave.

00:54:21 --> 00:54:22

So according to the swoon theory,

00:54:23 --> 00:54:24

Joseph did in fact take the body of

00:54:24 --> 00:54:25

Jesus.

00:54:25 --> 00:54:27

He took it to a safe location,

00:54:27 --> 00:54:29

and then he rolled the stone in front

00:54:29 --> 00:54:30

of his tomb,

00:54:30 --> 00:54:32

his own tomb, his empty tomb.

00:54:33 --> 00:54:35

Jesus recovered over the next few days.

00:54:36 --> 00:54:37

Jesus was seen alive.

00:54:38 --> 00:54:39

Some claimed a resurrection.

00:54:40 --> 00:54:42

So they went to the tomb.

00:54:43 --> 00:54:45

They removed the stone and lo and behold,

00:54:46 --> 00:54:47

it's empty

00:54:47 --> 00:54:49

because he was never there.

00:54:49 --> 00:54:50

Now interestingly,

00:54:51 --> 00:54:53

the more you read the gospels, the more

00:54:53 --> 00:54:54

you have this evolution

00:54:55 --> 00:54:56

of not only Christology

00:54:56 --> 00:54:58

in this sort of heightened

00:54:58 --> 00:55:01

stature of Christ, but the more the evangelist

00:55:01 --> 00:55:03

try to convince the readers that Jesus was

00:55:03 --> 00:55:04

killed.

00:55:05 --> 00:55:07

The end of Mark's gospel is very enigmatic.

00:55:08 --> 00:55:10

Mark's gospel is the end of Mark's gospel

00:55:10 --> 00:55:13

is chapter 16 verse 8. That's the true

00:55:13 --> 00:55:15

end of Mark's gospel.

00:55:17 --> 00:55:19

There were some verses added later,

00:55:19 --> 00:55:21

but this is the end of Mark's gospel.

00:55:22 --> 00:55:23

Jesus is crucified.

00:55:23 --> 00:55:25

He's put into a tomb.

00:55:26 --> 00:55:28

A a few women go there on Sunday

00:55:28 --> 00:55:29

morning.

00:55:29 --> 00:55:32

They find that the tomb is already open.

00:55:32 --> 00:55:33

There's an angel there.

00:55:34 --> 00:55:37

And the angel says, you're looking for Christ

00:55:37 --> 00:55:38

who was crucified.

00:55:38 --> 00:55:39

He's alive

00:55:40 --> 00:55:41

and he's in Galilee.

00:55:42 --> 00:55:44

You're looking for Christ who was crucified.

00:55:45 --> 00:55:46

He's alive

00:55:46 --> 00:55:47

and he's in Galilee.

00:55:48 --> 00:55:50

And it says then Mark says, and the

00:55:50 --> 00:55:51

women ran away

00:55:52 --> 00:55:54

and they said nothing to no one for

00:55:54 --> 00:55:55

they were afraid.

00:55:55 --> 00:55:58

Period. That's the end of Mark's gospel.

00:55:59 --> 00:56:00

What happened?

00:56:01 --> 00:56:02

Was he resurrected?

00:56:03 --> 00:56:04

Is it the wrong tomb?

00:56:04 --> 00:56:07

Was it a vision they had? Did he

00:56:07 --> 00:56:09

survive the crucifixion? What what's going on here?

00:56:09 --> 00:56:10

Why is he in Galilee?

00:56:10 --> 00:56:12

Right? So it's a cliffhanger.

00:56:13 --> 00:56:15

So it's very confusing. This is the earliest

00:56:15 --> 00:56:16

of the 4 gospels, mark around 70 of

00:56:16 --> 00:56:17

the common era.

00:56:19 --> 00:56:20

And the ending,

00:56:20 --> 00:56:21

it it it,

00:56:22 --> 00:56:24

it was so bothersome to so many Christians

00:56:24 --> 00:56:26

that later on, a scribe went back and

00:56:26 --> 00:56:28

added 11 more verses to the end of

00:56:28 --> 00:56:30

the gospel of Mark Mark 16:9

00:56:31 --> 00:56:33

through 20, which said Jesus came and he

00:56:33 --> 00:56:35

made these post mortem appearances

00:56:35 --> 00:56:36

and then he told the disciples

00:56:37 --> 00:56:37

that,

00:56:38 --> 00:56:40

go into the all of the nations and

00:56:40 --> 00:56:41

baptize them.

00:56:41 --> 00:56:43

And if you drink poison,

00:56:43 --> 00:56:45

believing in me, it will not harm you.

00:56:46 --> 00:56:48

You know, I was debating this Christian guy,

00:56:48 --> 00:56:50

Mike, David Wood one time, and I said

00:56:50 --> 00:56:52

to him you might have seen this. And

00:56:52 --> 00:56:53

I said to him, you don't have a

00:56:53 --> 00:56:55

vial of white out. And, you know, you

00:56:55 --> 00:56:56

can probably drink white out and be okay,

00:56:56 --> 00:56:58

but it's it'll probably

00:56:58 --> 00:57:00

make you sick. So I said, you know,

00:57:00 --> 00:57:01

Jesus says that a true Christian can drink

00:57:01 --> 00:57:03

poison and nothing will happen to him. I

00:57:03 --> 00:57:04

said, I want you to drink this whole

00:57:04 --> 00:57:06

bottle of white out right now.

00:57:07 --> 00:57:08

And then you're looking at it, he's thinking

00:57:08 --> 00:57:09

about it.

00:57:09 --> 00:57:11

And suddenly, he becomes a biblical scholar and

00:57:11 --> 00:57:13

says, oh, you're talking about the longer ending

00:57:13 --> 00:57:15

of Mark? That's a fabrication to the text.

00:57:15 --> 00:57:16

And there was a

00:57:16 --> 00:57:18

collective gasp in the audience.

00:57:18 --> 00:57:19

What?

00:57:19 --> 00:57:22

Fabric what? You said the f word. Fabrication?

00:57:23 --> 00:57:25

He dropped the f bomb on us.

00:57:25 --> 00:57:26

Right?

00:57:27 --> 00:57:29

So it's it's interesting, you know, how how

00:57:29 --> 00:57:33

quickly they become biblical scholars of higher textual

00:57:33 --> 00:57:33

criticism,

00:57:34 --> 00:57:35

when you actually present to them the words

00:57:35 --> 00:57:37

of Christ in their own books. Anyway,

00:57:41 --> 00:57:43

that's the end of Mark. Now interestingly,

00:57:44 --> 00:57:46

What does John say? The last of the

00:57:46 --> 00:57:46

gospels around 100,

00:57:47 --> 00:57:47

1

00:57:51 --> 00:57:52

What does John

00:57:53 --> 00:57:53

say? The last of the gospels around 10110

00:57:53 --> 00:57:53

of the common era. John says that Jesus

00:57:53 --> 00:57:54

bore his own cross,

00:58:01 --> 00:58:03

contradicting Matthew, Mark, and Luke. Why?

00:58:03 --> 00:58:06

Because John knows that there are Christians

00:58:06 --> 00:58:06

at his

00:58:07 --> 00:58:08

during his time

00:58:09 --> 00:58:11

that believe Simon was crucified. And in fact,

00:58:11 --> 00:58:14

there were Christians at that time who denied

00:58:14 --> 00:58:15

Jesus' crucifixion.

00:58:15 --> 00:58:18

John also says Jesus was impaled on the

00:58:18 --> 00:58:20

cross, not found in Matthew, Mark, and Luke.

00:58:20 --> 00:58:22

Why does John say that? To ensure non

00:58:22 --> 00:58:24

survival. He's dead.

00:58:25 --> 00:58:27

John also says that his body was already

00:58:27 --> 00:58:30

anointed on the night of his crucifixion.

00:58:31 --> 00:58:34

Right? Matthew, Mark, and Luke tell us that

00:58:34 --> 00:58:37

on Sunday morning, the women came to anoint

00:58:37 --> 00:58:39

Jesus' body, which is very strange.

00:58:40 --> 00:58:42

There's a group of women that are apparently

00:58:42 --> 00:58:44

not related to him who are somehow going

00:58:44 --> 00:58:46

to gain access into his tomb

00:58:47 --> 00:58:49

and start rubbing oil on his body.

00:58:49 --> 00:58:51

Is that a Jewish custom? Why are they

00:58:51 --> 00:58:53

coming to the tomb? To anoint his body?

00:58:54 --> 00:58:55

If that was already done according to John

00:58:55 --> 00:58:57

on the night of the crucifixion, why are

00:58:57 --> 00:58:59

they coming to the tomb on Sunday? For

00:58:59 --> 00:58:59

what?

00:59:00 --> 00:59:00

Nobody

00:59:01 --> 00:59:01

knows.

00:59:02 --> 00:59:03

We're a total

00:59:04 --> 00:59:06

when Jesus appears to his disciples in the

00:59:06 --> 00:59:06

gospel of John, it says the doors were

00:59:06 --> 00:59:07

locked out of fear of the Jews. It

00:59:07 --> 00:59:09

says the doors were locked out of fear

00:59:09 --> 00:59:10

of the Jews.

00:59:11 --> 00:59:13

Very strange. Out of fear of the Jews,

00:59:14 --> 00:59:15

I thought everyone was Jewish.

00:59:16 --> 00:59:18

So this is an example of an anachronism.

00:59:18 --> 00:59:21

Obviously, the gospel of John was written much

00:59:21 --> 00:59:22

later at a time when there was a

00:59:22 --> 00:59:26

clear distinction between Jews and Christians, and this

00:59:26 --> 00:59:28

didn't happen until the 2nd century.

00:59:29 --> 00:59:32

So that definitely did not happen. Now interestingly,

00:59:32 --> 00:59:33

Paul says

00:59:34 --> 00:59:36

let's talk a little bit about Pauline Pneumatology.

00:59:37 --> 00:59:40

Paul says in 1st Corinthians 15 that Jesus,

00:59:40 --> 00:59:41

when he was resurrected,

00:59:41 --> 00:59:44

he became a life giving spirit,

00:59:44 --> 00:59:47

penoma. He uses the Greek word, penoma.

00:59:48 --> 00:59:49

He became spiritualized.

00:59:50 --> 00:59:52

He also says that Jesus was the first

00:59:52 --> 00:59:53

fruits of the resurrection.

00:59:54 --> 00:59:56

He became a pneumatic body.

00:59:56 --> 00:59:58

He's the first one to be resurrected into

00:59:58 --> 01:00:00

the body that we're all going to be

01:00:00 --> 01:00:02

resurrected on the day of judgment.

01:00:02 --> 01:00:05

Okay. So there's something called the somatic body

01:00:05 --> 01:00:07

and something called a pneumatic body.

01:00:08 --> 01:00:10

We are all in somatic bodies right now,

01:00:11 --> 01:00:14

physically oriented bodies. There's a ruh in our

01:00:14 --> 01:00:15

body and it's material

01:00:15 --> 01:00:18

according to the Ashari. It's a material ruh.

01:00:18 --> 01:00:19

Right?

01:00:19 --> 01:00:21

But it's not of this world. It's from

01:00:21 --> 01:00:22

the Malakut.

01:00:22 --> 01:00:25

Right? But we do have a panoma. We

01:00:25 --> 01:00:27

have a soul. It's called a ruur. But

01:00:27 --> 01:00:29

our bodies are physical. We have somatic bodies.

01:00:29 --> 01:00:31

When we're resurrected on the day of judgment,

01:00:32 --> 01:00:35

our, the dominant attribute of our bodies is

01:00:35 --> 01:00:36

pneumatic

01:00:37 --> 01:00:40

with a somatic element. So the body is

01:00:40 --> 01:00:41

physically resurrected

01:00:41 --> 01:00:43

and Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala resurrects down to

01:00:43 --> 01:00:46

the fingertip as he says. Everything is brought

01:00:46 --> 01:00:47

back, reconstructed

01:00:47 --> 01:00:49

from the ajab, from the end of the

01:00:49 --> 01:00:51

tailbone, which is the seed of the human

01:00:51 --> 01:00:51

being.

01:00:52 --> 01:00:53

But the body is now

01:00:54 --> 01:00:55

pneumatically oriented.

01:00:56 --> 01:00:58

It's more spirit than flesh now. Right? So

01:00:58 --> 01:01:00

you don't need to eat. You don't need

01:01:00 --> 01:01:03

to eat or drink. You never die. You're

01:01:03 --> 01:01:05

given baqa, perpetuity.

01:01:05 --> 01:01:07

And matter is not an obstruction,

01:01:07 --> 01:01:10

like walls and stones and bricks, they're not

01:01:10 --> 01:01:12

an obstruction to you anymore.

01:01:13 --> 01:01:15

Right? So this is what Paul is saying.

01:01:15 --> 01:01:17

So listen very carefully. Paul is saying when

01:01:17 --> 01:01:20

Jesus was resurrected, he was resurrected into this

01:01:20 --> 01:01:21

pneumatic body

01:01:22 --> 01:01:24

pneumatic body. You don't eat. You don't drink.

01:01:24 --> 01:01:27

You never die. Matter is not an obstruction.

01:01:27 --> 01:01:28

Okay?

01:01:29 --> 01:01:31

If this is true, then why did the

01:01:31 --> 01:01:33

stone need to be rolled away

01:01:34 --> 01:01:36

for Jesus to exit the tomb?

01:01:37 --> 01:01:38

If he's a nomadic body,

01:01:39 --> 01:01:40

he doesn't need to wait for a stone

01:01:40 --> 01:01:42

to be moved. He can just

01:01:44 --> 01:01:47

what what's that? What's the, phrase from Star

01:01:47 --> 01:01:47

Trek?

01:01:48 --> 01:01:50

He can just beam in and out of

01:01:50 --> 01:01:50

places.

01:01:51 --> 01:01:53

Right? Because he's a nomadic body. We're told

01:01:53 --> 01:01:55

that Jesus's legs were not broken on the

01:01:55 --> 01:01:57

cross. So I wanna ask a Christian. When

01:01:57 --> 01:01:59

when Jesus was resurrected,

01:02:00 --> 01:02:01

was he limping around?

01:02:02 --> 01:02:03

Because if his legs were broken let's just

01:02:03 --> 01:02:04

say his legs were broken.

01:02:05 --> 01:02:06

Would he be limping around? He said, no.

01:02:06 --> 01:02:08

No. No. He would be healed. Then how

01:02:08 --> 01:02:11

come his his nail marks weren't healed? He

01:02:11 --> 01:02:13

showed Thomas, behold my hands and my feet,

01:02:13 --> 01:02:15

thrust your hand into my side where he

01:02:15 --> 01:02:17

was speared. Why weren't those healed?

01:02:17 --> 01:02:20

Is there a selective healing process to resurrected

01:02:20 --> 01:02:20

bodies?

01:02:21 --> 01:02:23

So it's very mysterious. It doesn't make any

01:02:23 --> 01:02:24

sense.

01:02:26 --> 01:02:27

Jesus is in disguise

01:02:28 --> 01:02:29

after he's resurrected.

01:02:30 --> 01:02:31

You know, in the gospel of John, it

01:02:31 --> 01:02:33

says, Mary went to the tomb, and he's

01:02:33 --> 01:02:36

not there. He hears a voice behind him.

01:02:36 --> 01:02:38

She turns around thinking he's a gardener.

01:02:39 --> 01:02:41

Do resurrected bodies look like gardeners?

01:02:41 --> 01:02:43

Why does she think this guy's a gardener?

01:02:43 --> 01:02:45

Because he's disguised as a gardener.

01:02:46 --> 01:02:48

That's why. Why is he in disguise?

01:02:51 --> 01:02:53

Why? Because he survived the crucifixion,

01:02:54 --> 01:02:55

and

01:02:56 --> 01:02:58

if Jewish leaders see him,

01:02:59 --> 01:03:00

they'll make sure that they put an end

01:03:00 --> 01:03:01

to him.

01:03:01 --> 01:03:03

And then he says, touch me not.

01:03:04 --> 01:03:06

So what does Mary do? Mary actually hugs

01:03:06 --> 01:03:09

him. So this is his wife. It's obvious

01:03:09 --> 01:03:11

Mary Magdalene is his wife. No doubt about

01:03:11 --> 01:03:12

it.

01:03:13 --> 01:03:14

She hugs him, and he says, touch me

01:03:14 --> 01:03:17

not. And he uses the present imperative in

01:03:17 --> 01:03:20

Greek, which means stop doing what you're already

01:03:20 --> 01:03:22

doing. So she's already hugging him. Touch me.

01:03:22 --> 01:03:24

Why not why don't touch me? Because he's

01:03:24 --> 01:03:24

in pain.

01:03:25 --> 01:03:26

He's just been crucified.

01:03:27 --> 01:03:29

He's in pain. He's in disguise. Does this

01:03:29 --> 01:03:30

sound like a resurrected

01:03:30 --> 01:03:31

pneumatic body?

01:03:33 --> 01:03:34

Furthermore, in the gospel of Luke,

01:03:35 --> 01:03:38

he walks down the street. 2 disciples meet

01:03:38 --> 01:03:40

him. He's still in disguise. They don't recognize

01:03:40 --> 01:03:42

him. They walk all the way to a

01:03:42 --> 01:03:43

mouse, like, 3 or 4 miles.

01:03:44 --> 01:03:46

He's in disguise. And he's like, what happened?

01:03:46 --> 01:03:48

Oh, there was a prophet named Jesus on

01:03:48 --> 01:03:50

and so forth. They go to have a

01:03:50 --> 01:03:52

meal. He breaks the bread. By the way

01:03:52 --> 01:03:54

he breaks the bread, they say, oh, this

01:03:54 --> 01:03:56

is the master. By the way, he breaks

01:03:56 --> 01:03:58

bread, and they recognize him and then he

01:03:58 --> 01:03:59

slips out of there. Why is he in

01:03:59 --> 01:04:00

disguise?

01:04:02 --> 01:04:04

And then he comes back in the gospel

01:04:04 --> 01:04:05

of Luke to the upper room.

01:04:06 --> 01:04:08

And it says that the disciples saw him

01:04:08 --> 01:04:10

and were afraid because they thought they had

01:04:10 --> 01:04:12

seen a spirit.

01:04:13 --> 01:04:15

They thought they had they had seen a

01:04:15 --> 01:04:18

spirit. They thought they had seen what? A

01:04:18 --> 01:04:19

resurrected body.

01:04:19 --> 01:04:21

Go back to the sign of Jonah. What

01:04:21 --> 01:04:23

happened to Jonah? Very short book in the

01:04:23 --> 01:04:24

Old Testament.

01:04:24 --> 01:04:24

Jonah

01:04:25 --> 01:04:25

was,

01:04:26 --> 01:04:28

an Israelite. He was sent to Nineveh,

01:04:29 --> 01:04:29

for dawah,

01:04:30 --> 01:04:33

and he was there making dawah. And then

01:04:33 --> 01:04:34

he thought to himself, these people are not

01:04:34 --> 01:04:36

going to believe. So he leaves the city

01:04:36 --> 01:04:38

without asking Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala. So he

01:04:38 --> 01:04:40

goes and tries to catch a boat to

01:04:40 --> 01:04:42

this other city called Joppa. While he's in

01:04:42 --> 01:04:45

the ocean with pagan men, there's a tempest,

01:04:45 --> 01:04:47

and he knows exactly why it's happening.

01:04:48 --> 01:04:50

So the men start to draw straws

01:04:50 --> 01:04:52

as to, you know, who,

01:04:52 --> 01:04:54

who who they're gonna throw over. Because they

01:04:54 --> 01:04:56

they recognize also this is because of a

01:04:56 --> 01:04:58

bad omen that someone has brought. And Jonah

01:04:58 --> 01:05:00

says, don't worry about doing that. It's because

01:05:00 --> 01:05:00

of me.

01:05:01 --> 01:05:02

I'm going to jump in willingly into the

01:05:02 --> 01:05:03

ocean.

01:05:03 --> 01:05:04

They say, okay.

01:05:05 --> 01:05:07

Jonah jumps into the ocean. The the waves

01:05:07 --> 01:05:10

calm. The men row away from him. Imagine

01:05:10 --> 01:05:11

you're one of those men on the boat

01:05:11 --> 01:05:14

rowing away from Jonah. What is your logical

01:05:14 --> 01:05:16

conclusion as to the state of Jonah? What's

01:05:16 --> 01:05:17

gonna happen to him?

01:05:17 --> 01:05:19

He's a prophet so he's strong, but he's

01:05:19 --> 01:05:21

probably going to drown. He can't tread water

01:05:21 --> 01:05:23

for very long. So you think, oh, that's

01:05:23 --> 01:05:24

the end of Jonah. Then you look back

01:05:24 --> 01:05:26

and a whale or a fish or some

01:05:26 --> 01:05:27

kind of creature

01:05:28 --> 01:05:29

swallows him.

01:05:29 --> 01:05:31

Now you're like, he's dead.

01:05:31 --> 01:05:33

There's no doubt about it.

01:05:33 --> 01:05:36

Right? You're back on the on the shore.

01:05:36 --> 01:05:37

You're one of those men in the in

01:05:37 --> 01:05:38

the in the in that boat. You're back

01:05:38 --> 01:05:40

on the shore 3 days later. You look

01:05:40 --> 01:05:41

over Jonah walking towards you.

01:05:42 --> 01:05:43

What are you thinking?

01:05:45 --> 01:05:45

It's a ghost.

01:05:47 --> 01:05:50

Right? This is exactly what the disciples thought

01:05:50 --> 01:05:52

they had seen when they saw Jesus.

01:05:52 --> 01:05:55

They became afraid because they thought they had

01:05:55 --> 01:05:56

seen a spirit.

01:05:57 --> 01:05:58

They thought.

01:05:59 --> 01:06:00

Right?

01:06:00 --> 01:06:02

For as Jonah was remember from the q

01:06:02 --> 01:06:05

source? Mark 11, Matthew 12. For as Jonah

01:06:05 --> 01:06:08

was, so shall the son of man be.

01:06:08 --> 01:06:09

How was Jonah in the belly of the

01:06:09 --> 01:06:10

whale? Alive.

01:06:11 --> 01:06:12

How was the son of man in the

01:06:12 --> 01:06:14

heart of the earth alive?

01:06:15 --> 01:06:17

Not dead, not resurrected.

01:06:18 --> 01:06:20

So what does Jesus do here?

01:06:20 --> 01:06:23

He says, handle me and see. A spirit

01:06:23 --> 01:06:24

has no flesh and bones

01:06:25 --> 01:06:26

as you see that I have.

01:06:28 --> 01:06:30

Again, Paul says, when Jesus was resurrected,

01:06:31 --> 01:06:34

Michael Acona says, Paul taught the total transformation

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of Jesus' body. Total transformation.

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Resurrecting into a spiritual body.

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The first fruits of the resurrection,

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a life giving penoma

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yet in disguise.

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Eating food.

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Handle me. I have flesh and bones. This

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is not a resurrected body. This is the

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same exact Jesus. And then he says, do

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you have anything to eat? And they say,

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yes. Here's a fish in a honeycomb, and

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then he eats it to prove what? That

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he's a resurrected body? That he's a spiritualized

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body? No. To prove he's the same

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exact Jesus.

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So what do we get out of all

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of this? And why is he in disguise?

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And why in Matthew, Mark, and Luke, he's

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the angel says to the disciples, go to

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Galilee. He's not here. Because he has to

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get out of dodge.

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Right? Because if they spot him, they're going

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to kill him. He survived the crucifixion.

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So we can conclude there's 3 types of

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resurrections in the new testament.

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Three types of resurrections.

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There's a Lazarus resurrection.

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Jesus resurrected a man named Lazarus.

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Right? In in John chapter 11, and the

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Quran confirms that he resurrected people. And

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Imam Ghazali says his name was Lazarus and

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the.

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When Jesus resurrected Lazarus,

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what into what type of body

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was

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Lazarus resurrected into? A somatic body or a

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pneumatic body?

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Well, it seems like a somatic body into

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the same exact body. Right? So Christians will

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say, yeah. That's Jesus. But that's not what

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Paul says.

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Paul

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says, Jesus was resurrected into a spiritualized

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body like the same type of body that

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all of us are resurrected on the day

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of judgment.

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So there's a conflict here with who? With

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Paul.

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The conflict is with who? With Paul.

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So a Lazarus resurrection. Then you have a

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doomsday resurrection.

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The doomsday resurrection, this is what Paul says

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Jesus was resurrected into. A body reconstructed

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physically, but made spiritual like all of us

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will be on the Yom Kiyama.

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Right? This is what Paul says happens to

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Jesus.

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But the gospel say, no. That's not the

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same type of body because Jesus,

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the stone had to be rolled away. He

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has nail marks in his hands apparently.

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He's in disguise. He eats food. He has

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flesh and blood.

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This is not a pneumatic body. It's a

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somatic body.

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This is not a doomsday resurrection. Again, Paul

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is wrong.

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And then the third type is the Jonas

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resurrection.

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The Jonas resurrection.

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Not the Jonas brothers.

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Jonas resurrection. Which means that you think someone's

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dead,

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so you see them,

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but they were never dead in the 1st

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place.

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This is actually what happened. If you look

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at these verses in the New Testament, one

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could compellingly make that type of

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argument. For more information about Paul's pneumatology,

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there's a book called The Corinthian Body

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by Dale Martin. There's another way of reading

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Paul also.

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Another way of reading Paul is through the

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lens of sort of a Greek anthropology, and

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Paul was heavenly

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heavily Hellenized.

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Right? That Paul believes

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that Jesus's body was never reconstituted in the

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first place. It stayed in his tomb, and

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it's in his tomb until this day that

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only this the

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the

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the the soul of Jesus was extracted from

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him.

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And some scholars believe that's what Paul is

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actually saying, and that's why Paul never ever

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mentions an empty tomb in any of his

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letters,

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because it's not important to him,

01:10:02 --> 01:10:04

because he's operating through the framework of a

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Hellenized

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Greek anthropology, not a Jewish anthropology.

01:10:09 --> 01:10:10

Okay.

01:10:11 --> 01:10:12

I wanna start now. I know I've been

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talking for a long time.

01:10:15 --> 01:10:16

I think we're gonna when are we gonna

01:10:16 --> 01:10:16

pray Maghrib?

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A lot of time to pray Maghrib? Okay.

01:10:19 --> 01:10:21

We're gonna pray Maghrib. I had just maybe

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20 minutes, 25 more minutes because I wanna

01:10:24 --> 01:10:26

get to the theological critique. So we're just

01:10:26 --> 01:10:28

talking about the historical critique

01:10:28 --> 01:10:31

of the Christian passion narrative, but I wanna

01:10:31 --> 01:10:33

start getting to some theological points as well

01:10:35 --> 01:10:37

and scriptural points that are important. So let's

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pray Maghrib, and then we'll come back quickly,

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inshallah, for maybe 20, 25 minutes. Jazaklachaira.

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