The Fitnah of the Creation of the Quran
Ali Albarghouthi – Foundations of the Sunnah #05
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And we spoke about here. Last time we discussed the main features of al Qaeda. And we said that if there are points, smaller points in it that in our heads seems not to reconcile. Well, we want to refer that to Allah azza wa jal because we've reached the limits of our understanding. We've reached the limit of our understanding, but we are firmly grounded in what the Quran and Sunnah have said about what Allah does and what Allah knows what how everything is written, once we affirm all of this, everything beyond that you could leave to Allah subhanho wa taala. We've discussed about the limits of what we know versus what we do not know, and what we can know versus what we cannot know.
So here and we've we started that second sentence,
where he said, Rahim Allah, woman Lamia, Arif temps tafsir al Hadith, ye ye a blue Arklow. He says, If someone does not
understand the meaning of a hadith and his mind does not reach that understanding, it doesn't fathom how that could be so forgot Coffea Delica will Kima LA who he had been sufficed that and it had been done for him or perfected for him? For Allah he'll Iman will be here with this the moolah who he has to surrender to that and believe in it. So what he means here, Rahim Allah Allah, is that there are some a hadith and he says Mithra hadith is cited he must do. Just like the hadith of Assad it almost all of the hadith of enormous owed one of the Allahu Anhu where he said that Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam said that when one of you is in the womb of his mother, Allah azza wa jal will send
the angel and the angel will write, whether he is happy or not fortunate or not, how long he will live, meaning his destiny. So he says this and similar Hadith and he will cite other examples. He says, If your mind cannot reach it, then what are you supposed to do? He says, You believe and surrender to it, that it is there that it is actually true. And he also says forgot Kofi veliko key Mela, who he has been sufficed that what is the mean? What does it mean, that he had been sufficed? It means that if you don't understand something, that you are not required to understand it, if it lies beyond your comprehension, and knowledge and ability, right? So as we all have physical limits,
beyond it, you're not able or benign, the beyond that you're not required to perform. Right?
Right. You all have financial limits beyond it, you're not required and able to perform right. So also you have a times Scalo intellectual limits. Beyond that, you're not required and also you are not able, and if you push yourself to try to comprehend and reconcile and discover, ultimately you will be doing two things, one, you will be wasting your time. Because you cannot understand this. Second, you may lose your mind trying to figure out what these things are.
And Allah azza wa jal did not put that burden on you. He said, here is where you're allowed supposed to think and thrive. And here is where you are allowed and suppose to surrender. And you have to leave certain things to Allah has origin. So some scholars have said, you know, like, if no Josie Rahim Allah He said that, at times, Allah zodion will test you to see the limits of how much you trust Him, and will present you with things that you cannot at this moment, understand and comprehend. Like, some people would say, why did this thing happened to me? What's the benefit? What do I learn from it? It could have been delayed, the better path choice would have been something
else that is at this moment, out of frustration and anger. You're trying to understand why is it that you got sick? Why is it that you lost that job? Why is it that your marriage did not work out? You're trying to understand now and what immune Josie says that there will be some things in life that when you think about them, they will frustrate you at this moment. And what is required of you is to rely on Allah azza wa jal and say I surrender to him. I believe in him, I know that he has the answer, and move on until such a time that you can find an answer.
So for instance, something like you know Josie had mentioned something like you know, why children suffer.
Okay, you could sit and think about it for years. And we maybe you can come up with some answers.
But is this something that Allah had asked you to do and think about, or why do animals suffer? And what did animals do to suffer or
feel pain?
Now, the problem with this is that the more that you think about it, the more likely that you're going to attribute injustice and one transgression or cruelty to Allah azza wa jal, why did he do this? Whereas if you surrender to Allah and say there must be an answer, there must be some benefit hidden or apparent why this is happening. I will not doubt Allah's mercy, which is very visible and apparent, because of something small that I cannot understand at this moment, and always go back to what other Alayhis Salam was teaching Musa alayhis salam when he was showing him these three things, what you see is not reality. I mean, of course, he saw reality, but it's not the full reality. It's
not the full explanation. There is something that exists beyond it, that once you understand it, then your mind will say, Yes, now I can see. Now I understand. Now, this makes sense. But when you're presented a times part of his story, that part of the story doesn't always make sense. So there are certain things that will happen to you. And certain things that are global or historical, maybe, that you may not be able to understand fully until everything is revealed to you. And not everything will be revealed to you all the time. So he says here, you've been suffice that because it's not a burden on you to understand it at this particular moment, move on, maybe a year from now
or five years or 10 years from now you'll understand it. Maybe when you acquire more knowledge, you'll understand it. Maybe when you acquire more Iman, right? Then you will understand it, Allah will enlighten you. Because there is some knowledge that Allah will grant to the individual. It's not something that you're going to read. It's something that Allah Azza did will teach you when you surrender to him. subhanho wa Taala It's a gift from him. subhanho wa taala. And it will go in agreement with Allah's revelation. But it requires Iman. So you've been sufficed that because it's not incumbent upon you to understand it. You've been sufficed that also in the terms of other people
explained it. But if you don't understand it, somebody else has that understanding and that interpretation. So you go to them, and you ask them, and they will supply you with that understanding what Kim Allahu is perfected in the sense that this Sharia is preserved. And this Sharia had been perfected. So when you are seeking answers, be in the law, as you will find them. But as we said, you must have the tools of understanding. So he says Mithra hadith is Saudi Arabia must dope, the Hadith that we just coded where the Prophet salallahu Salam says the angel comes and while a person is in the belly of his mother, it will be written down, he will go to Jannah, he will
go to heaven, He will go to hellfire, this will happen to him that will happen to him that is a form of written destiny. And there are different periods where all this will be written, there is before a person is born before a person before all of this Earth was created, and it will be rewritten again or written again, when the person is in his mother's womb. So again, we say that we believe in this, that it is written down, and it will happen exactly as it's written down. At the same time, Allah azza wa jal had given every single person the choice to do right or wrong, to listen to Allah's revelation and to accept or deny. And they responsible for that choice if they accept the
art to be praised with it, and if not there are to be condemned for it. And there is no contradiction between the two. And you leave it at that. And we said that the more that you try to understand and decipher al Qaeda or al Qaeda, no more that is going to trouble you and confuse you. And that is not what Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam came with, he came with believe this and this and this and the rest is with Allah azza wa jal and that's the limit of our understanding with it.
So so he says that's similar to that hadith, when we flew McKenna we flew Phil Kadar or any other Hadith in Kadar
also has to be met with submission and surrender and understanding. All right, and by ye saying surrender and submission it doesn't mean don't understand anything in it not understand the Hadith. But what lies beyond our comprehension you leave it when we flew a hadith he wrote yet equally, and similar also to the Hadith about seeing Allah azza wa jal, all of them and we will be talking about that in sha Allah independently. Soon enough. Hyla were in there but Anil Ismay was still Hashem in * Muslim here. It says even if it is really foreign to your ear.
That this is something to you at this moment when you first hear that hadith is seems foreign to it. Distant weird
and unusual is even if that is the case, you need to accept it right? Because that initial shock is a shock of ignorance.
The shock of ignorance Oh, we imagine somebody who have never heard that they will see Allah Zoda and then all of a sudden they hear that hadith immediately that may shock them or confuse them. It's a No, as long as you know as he will say that that thing is authentic accept it. And when you accept it, you will get to right understand it, and then it becomes familiar,
quite rational, quite meaningful to you. But in the beginning, you might have that reaction to some a hadith simply because we're not familiar with that hadith, Halawa, India but if it's foreign, was still Hashem in * Muslim, you feel so distant from it at times, oh, this happens, that happens. We're going to see this we're going to experience that. If it's authentic, okay, remove that shock, initial shock from your mind from your heart, accept it, if it's authentic. And remember it he says or internationally he, Al Iman will be here. You have to believe in it. Right. And that is the submission the surrender to Allah and to His Prophet Alayhi Salatu was Salam because he already
submitted in the rest of the Shediac This is halal This is haram. Kill this verse and keep this personal life. Right. Don't take this money, take this money you already submitted to Allah azza wa jal in that to his prophets, Allah Allah wa salam in that you submit also in things that you do not know yet, but are going to happen, things that lie beyond
our experience and our worldly comprehension. Allah Allah, Allah Domina whorfin Wahida. And you do not deny a single letter, a single word that you will find in those Hadith as long as they are authentic. And that's what he says what ad hominem hadith is, for it and if you cut
and similar, a hadith that had been reported by reliable transmitters, and that is important here. Because one thing that we did not yet address is the difference between mortality or we'll Ahad says when the Hadith come, there will some who will ask and this is an inheritance that we got all the way back from the mortar Zilla, and it's still survives till today, where some people will say we will take them with Awatea. But the 100 we're not really sure about that. So let's understand this, where that distinction comes from, and is this a real distinction or not? So, first of all terminology definition, what do we mean the Bucha Awatea Motorwagen means that in every generation,
a lot of people have narrated that hadith that in the mind of the receiver, it is absolute and certain. That is the definition without Mottola Tabata rally in us the water, the turba, Allah heinous. So, for instance, you know, in the era of the Sahaba, you're 10, maybe around 10 or more, so Hobbes 20 3040, and so on. There's no real number, by the way for the tomato, for the tomato, there is real, no real concrete number, but it is that report that gives you certainty is going to be seven, right? Could be eight, good be 10. So it's relative, so there's really no real number for that. But anyway, so you have a lot of number, a lot of people from the Sahaba, then from the
tabular end from the tabular database, and so on, so on, so on until that thing is recorded. That Hadith, technically, is called toto
anything below that is called ahead. So in all of the errors of transmission, or in one of them, it falls into one or two or three or four narrators depending. So maybe you won't never saw in one of the Sahaba at the time of the sahaba. It was once a hobby or two or three come to the table and maybe one or two or three come to the debate debate in four or five or six that we classified as a hat. So going from one all the way up until it did not reach the level of terroir to that is called our hat.
There this Ramadan no humbled Rahim Allah does not acknowledge here. He doesn't say we will accept it as long as it is toto he says as long as it had been transmitted by those who are reliable. The wareness issue of this tomato and our had come from it really comes from the mortise EDA. So the mortar Zilla as a group that existed and longer is a solid group today, but it has influences that still persist till today. So there are Tesla and they are like the philosophers but they are philosophers light or diet philosophers. So not full philosophers, but they have inherited a lot from the philosophers. So the Tesla what is supreme to them is what the mind is
Okay, that's what is supreme. It's actually more than the Quran and more than the Sunnah. So they will say okay, so we will subject all the Quran and all the Sunnah and by the way this is relevant till today for people who do not call themselves Mata Zilla but the act like the Martha's ILA, right? Because it's the same patterns by the way, repeat for now till now and they will repeat the riddle the future. So they'll subject the Quran subject the sinner to their minds, they will say, Okay, what is this? I mean, what our minds tell us. So that's the first Okay. criterion of interpretation is that this idea means this and this means that if the if the apparent meaning of
the idea they say it contradicts our mind, then that means that this i this idea doesn't mean what it means must mean something else. That's why they will deny that Allah will be seen on the Day of Judgment. Even though the Quran states it even though the Hadith stated but they say no, that is impossible. So that cannot be true. So they'll deny that they'll deny the Jin Jin do not exist, even though there is a Surah that is called the Jin Jin do not exist, right. So whatever goes against their mind, rationalization does not get accepted. So with the Quran, the interpretation gets twisted right. Now when you come to the Sunnah, the sunnah to them is more problematic, because
there's more in the Sunnah, right? There's more in the Sunnah. And the Sunnah with some things are clearer than the Quran because it explains the Quran. Because the Quran you can say it could mean this or that. When it comes to the Sunnah. It's more definite. So what are they do with the Sunnah?
So instead of rejecting the Sunnah altogether, or coming out and saying that the Sunnah should be rejected, what do they say? Do they say a lot of it is unreliable?
Why? Because it'd be narrated by the had individuals here and there. So we will take them with our tip.
Okay, then we'll accept because we're certain of it. The air had when it comes to al Qaeda, do we take it?
No, they say, they are hard when it comes to al Qaeda. We don't take it why? Because they say okay, that requires certainty. And this is not certain. So we cannot gamble. Do we take it when it comes to practice? He say okay, it comes to practice. Why? Because it's one knee.
Okay, indicates probability, not certainty. So we'll accept that when it comes to practice, because that's easier, but belief, we need certainty.
That is a summary of what they said. So that distinction between water, water and a heart, we take them with a water, but we don't take the heart, we take them with our data and acleda. But we don't take the heart in it that that is the inheritance that comes from the morta Zilla that distinctions among the scholars of Hadith the early scholars of Hadith did not exist like that. Because we're humbled, Rahim, Allah and others have said that what, as long as this is transmitted reliably, and is tested, this is a Hadith that you should follow. And they don't go into mutawatir and arhat. Because again, the distinction is not very clear. And because here, a had, technically, maybe,
theoretically only could indicate probability. In reality, they had they get tested. It always narrated in reference to other people as well, and other generations as well. So when they take when he's talking a bit about reliable transmitters, it's a meticulous examination of each narrator. It's not just someone who just came and to give us news. It's this person whose life is narrating Hadith, that in at least two ways, one, Is he reliable in his transmission and can he be trusted? Can he be trusted means what is he honest? Does he follow the Sunnah does he pray in Jamaica? It is he known with a bit ah is so they examined the search his life, and they tell us and they grade the person
based on that trustworthy, a great person, not so unsold should be discarded. So the great eat first and on what
how trustworthy he is. So that's one thing.
And they also grade each person based on how reliable that person is when he transmits. How many a hadith did he transmit? Does he make mistakes? How many mistakes does he made? Does he contradict those who are more reliable? Does he transmit reliable Hadith or not? So the person when he's narrating a hadith, he's not reading in a vacuum. You will meet because he's taken from show you his teachers he is giving to students he is being compared to what other students have narrated from the same teachers.
And what other people have talked to their students. So across what he said, what he heard and what he taught, and all of the ahaadeeth that he said, and they came out with the conclusions of saying, he is reliable. He remembers what he hears, He does not remember what he hears, He lost his memory, he lost his books. And that's why you have among the a Hadith also grades of a hadith. So you have the Hadith that is strong, and that is very strong. The Hadith that is strong for another, the Hadith that is only Hassan Hassan for another week, or her fabricated. So when a hadith based on the Raiders, kind of crosses into the realm of the sahih, and you get the scholars of Islam accepting
this, and this and this and this, then that's an accepted Hadith. No contradictions can be seen, that's an accepted Hadith that should be followed. And especially when it reaches right as we said before, Allah Buhari and Muslim, and especially when you see the scholars of Islam, one after the other saying that this hadith is accepted, this hadith is used, it moves from the edge of the area of probability into the area of certainty. That's it. So the Hadith in Bukhari, we don't say any more that they are ahead.
Okay, no, have crossed into the level of Kasi the Furby he'll Cara in? There are enough evidence around it to say, this is what Muhammad Sallallahu wasallam said, This is it.
What Muslim you know, in this Muslim this is when Muhammad Ali salatu salam said, because now what there is unanimous support, and vouching for those books and that vouching for those Ahadi. So when you see that all the scholars of Islam have said yes, or a lot of the scholars of Islam have said yes, and there's only minimal disagreement, then you're in the realm of this thing needs to be accepted and needs to be followed. That's exactly what a humble Rahim Allah is saying. He's not saying when it comes to al Qaeda, only except from the Hadith, the mutawa which only could amount to 20 3040 Depending on how you count a hadith in Islam. That's it. That's wait what you believe, and
everything else should be ignored? No. So if the hadith is authentic, the hadith is authentic, and it should be taken. If there's disagreement about it, that's a different issue. But if the hadith is accepted as authentic, and you find people like Hamilton, who humble before him Malika Shafi Muhammad, that was a authority and so on affirming these things, and accepting these Hadith after them, Hari and Muslim and scholars of Islam affirming these Hadith, then you accept that and you believe in it. And he says he continues and he says what Allah you hacia had done well, you know, the law does when it comes to these issues, the you don't dispute and debate someone, because these
things are supposed to be common stablished beliefs. If you are to teach someone, that's okay.
If someone is asking you to learn, is that okay or not? That's okay. But debating someone who disbelieves or doubts these things, and he wants to you to also disbelieve or doubting these things, he says you don't debate them. And you do not argue with them. Allah Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah Mala Ji dal, you don't learn also how to argue.
Which is something really beautiful because for us today, learning how to argue is an added power in your arsenal right and added things skill to have. He says don't learn how to argue, right? If you want to learn learn what the evidence behind what you believe, is, learn what is wrong with the other belief, right if you have at that level of knowledge, and research, but not how to argue, because learning how to argue only hardens the heart. It distances you from the truth because now you learn how to
reject an argument or find flaws in an argument or in a way that is presented even if it's true. You'll learn how to manipulate your opponent how to win, even if you're wrong or if your position is insecure. You don't know how to do those things. And you're not supposed to learn how to cheat and lie. You're supposed to learn how to spread the truth so while I Adalja ltdl He says for NL Kalama Phil cada river ro Yeti well Qurani wiry Hemi no stone, any macaroon woman he won? He says because speaking about and his means here arguing about debating matters in Qatar in Destiny, and in seeing Allah azza wa jal and in the Quran, which is about is going to be talking about the creation
The Quran soon. It says other sunnah meaning other beliefs mcru Han disliked woman he Yun and who is forbidden.
So because these are common, certain established beliefs, you don't debate, you simply accept and you invite the other person not to debate them. They say this is what Allah said, This is what the prophet had said, This is what they mean you need to accept that not to wait now, the minute points in it. Well, if this is true, how could this be true? And this is wrong? How could this be wrong? You said opposed to accept.
And he said, what I call also Elia kono. Sahiba, who saw Hebrew who were in Asaba became his sunnah mean Ali sunnah Hodeidah, LG dalla or you Salima or you may not be a thought. And he says, What are your core? No, and the one who is engaging in those debates and those arguments, you will not be of the people of sunnah. Even if you are what you say, supports the Sunnah until you let go of arguments and debates and you submit and you believe in the traditions that have been reported. That is what he's saying here. Rahimullah, what is what it says even if you're wrong method leads to good results. It's not
good. Even if what you're using is wrong, what you've always done is wrong. And it's somehow happens to lead you to the right result. You're still not part of a hello sunnah until your method and the result is according to the Sunnah, right?
So for this, there's a hadith is a weak Hadith, a kind of it reminds me of that, where it is said this is a weak Hadith but it is said that the prophets Allah Allah wa sallam said manakala, fill Quran hubiera II for Asaba. He says, If you interpret the Quran with your your own opinion, and you tap into be right, you're still wrong.
This is what the meaning here is, right? So somebody presents you an idea. And you say, I guess the AI means this. And it turns out, you're right. The what was wrong with it?
I guess, I think or you use your mind. When you're not supposed to do that, right? You're supposed to do what when you interpret the Quran, not depend on what you think? Or what you believe? What do you do when you want to interpret the Quran?
To see it? And if see, relies on what
on the knowledge of what Allah said in other parts of the Quran, with the prophets, a lot of you Salem has said, well, the Sahaba have said what the type of enough said, This is how you get the meaning of that idea. So if you happen by taking the wrong way, to say the same thing that they said he was still wrong, because that method is not going to lead you all the time to the right. Conclusion. So if you're using debates, or L multicolumn, or philosophy or whatever, to establish the truth, in this moment when you actually hit the truth, yeah, now, but later, your method is wrong and it will be disastrous. So that's why he said, Rahim Allah, He says, it's not enough for
you to say the right thing but how you reach that conclusion is important. Because the method is wrong. The method is wrong. And if it's wrong, it will read nit lead to more wrong conclusions than the right ones. Okay. And that is important, right? It's not just okay. How did you reach that? I mean, it's not reaching that conclusion, but also the method that allows you to reach it.
Now,
he after look at
the second point that he makes, Rahim Allah,
and it is about Al Quran being the words of Allah zodion Allah speech uncreated, and he says here, while Quran, Kala Allah, Allah Allah Quran is the word of Allah, the speech of Allah wa Elisa, we must look it's an created it's uncreated, meaning eternal meaning and attributes of Allah zodion Walla yoga of one year Kula laser beam will look and do not hesitate or be too weak to say that it is uncreated.
So say it is the words of ALLAH, the uncreated Words of Allah and don't hesitate and say, I am not gonna say uncreated, no say uncreated Words of Allah azza wa jal Carla, for inoculum Allah he says, For indeed the words of ALLAH, ALLAH speech, Lisa be there in an unknown Minho is not separate from Allah azza wa jal for it to be created as part of Allah meaning ALLAH spoke it. Lay Semin, who show you on macklow Nothing from Allah Azzawajal is created. Okay,
Okay, so let's translate the whole part and then go back and explain it kinda what year como Navarre autumn and Lila? Fie, it says, Beware of debating those who have had Bill have that wrong belief that the Quran is created, don't debate them. Woman Allah be lovely while he and the one who resorts to specific terminology by saying a lot of meaning my, my pronunciation of the Quran is created meaning that particular statement is is don't follow those who adhere to that particular statement. Woman with coffee and the one who pauses and say and says, I don't know if it's created or it's not created. He says avoid all of them. Those who say it's created, those who say I do not know if it's
greater or not created, and those who say my for now situation my recitation of the Quran is created. He says don't speak or debate with all of those people. It is only the speech of Allah Quran is only the speech of Allah. It says, Oh, I'm sorry. He says, I do not know if it's created or not created. It's only the speech of Allah. He says the person who says this is an innovator, exactly like the person who says it is Mac look. What you should say is that it is the speech of Allah and it's uncreated.
Now,
Emmet Rahim Allah He was here speaking about a
fitna that he lived
a lived a fitna that influenced his life and influenced the ummah.
And the question to ask ourselves is that first of all, why did it happen? Who said it? And is it important till today? Like, in a sense, like why was it such a big deal? Why is it is such a big deal? And is it a big deal till today or not? Like does it survive and what do we learn from it?
So, again, going back to Tesla, it was really the more Tesla who introduced that saying, of Al Quran being a created thing, not the exact actual speech of Allah azza wa jal, but a graded thing. Now, why did it what does he does say this? And what is it as we said, our philosophers
and the philosophers and if you read the words of the philosophers, the philosophers imagine Allah as devoted as something that is eternal in his thing, that in a sense that eternal, does not that does not experience any change.
An eternal that does not experience any change. So they say human beings, they live and die.
They grow old, they eat, they speak and they stop speaking. They get angry, they get sad, these are all changes. How addeth
when it comes to Allah azza wa jal because he's eternal unchanged.
Okay, that was that tell them what did you bring that from their millions? philosophers were because they thought about God in that way. Because he's unchanged, nothing could change with him.
So he does cannot know something, right? He cannot speak. He cannot see he cannot. So for the philosophers even right, God doesn't even know what's happening on Earth.
Okay, God is something that is so distant, right? And so serene, and does not change did not experience anything. So the Tesla when they learned they took from the philosophers a lot, they didn't take everything, but when they were trying to kind of reconcile what the philosophers have said, with what Islam has said, and when there is conflict in their mind, they give primacy to what the philosophers have said meaning to the mind to the intellect, and in fact, they're not supposed to be called rationalists. Because does reason like sound reason contradict with religion? No, it doesn't. But what does contradict with with with our mind, and we will with religion, however,
desire, so desire contradicts that's the contradiction but sound reason does not contradict with Allah's revelation, and we'll see an example we'll see an example Inshallah,
of why also they said, that Allah and it cannot, the Quran cannot be the words of Allah as though did so anyway. So because Allah cannot change, and nothing new could happen with Allah azza wa jal, they say Allah cannot speak. He doesn't speak and they've denied all of Allah's attributes. Okay, all of Allah's attributes got denied. So Allah azza wa jal, you know, doesn't speak Allah Allah does not get angry Allah azza wa jal does not love someone, all these attributes they deny.
And also when it comes to speech, they say that what we understand from a person speaking is that they speak through what tools that have been created. They have a mouth
They have tongue, they have teeth. There's this air that comes out from their body. That's what produces sound. So when you tell me that Allah speaks,
that means that you're telling me that Allah has a mouth has a tongue has this has this has that.
So because there is tissue be they say because there's there should be, we must free Allah as digital form any similarity to humanity or anything created by saying no Allah does not speak. Now of course, I remember humbly respond to one of it by saying that Allah speech is not distinct from him, is from him Subhanallah dalla and also another thing
why Eminem or humbler said is not distinct and apologize if this is too right out there. But just bear with me inshallah we'll come back to the ground inshallah to this earth soon inshallah. So, why did he say that it's not something distinct from him because they also said that, if God speaks, if Allah speaks, and his speech is also uncreated, meaning eternal, we have to Eternals
and if you have to or Eternals that means this is shook.
So it must be that he does not speak. That's why Hammond Mohamed Rahim. Allah is saying it's not something separate from Allah, to call it another eternal thing and now you have two eternal things into Gods. An attribute of Allah azza wa jal is from Allah. Right. It's not distinct. And that's why, by the way, for the mortis, ILA, this was really serious for them.
Right, so those who are around and mourn and that's how it started. They were saying that saying that the Quran is the word of Allah, the eternal word of Allah Azza das schicke.
And for the OMA to believe this does shit and have a person who believes in that they are what, Kevin, because they're saying there are two Gods so in the minds of the MATA Zilla, that's what it was. And people got killed because of this, and imprisoned because of this and silence because of this because of political power. Right?
So
there's a benefit in that inshallah hope to kind of highlight it. So anyway, going back to one of the points that we talked about, where we said that, if,
if Allah has little speaks, then that means that he has a mouth and he has, you know, body parts like human beings. The answer to this is, is it necessary that that be the case? If someone speak, speaks, they must have a mouth and they must have a tongue and they must speak exactly as humans do.
Know. Now, for instance, the Prophet sallallahu wasallam, in a hadith said, I know a rock in Mecca. Before my better before I became a Prophet used to give me Salam.
And part of part of the Dilla, Illinois, the proofs of the Prophet Muhammad sallahu. wa Salam is that said I recognize a rock, when he would walk in Mecca, it would give salam to me, they didn't have a mouth. It didn't give him out or have a mouth. But if you say you must have a mouth to produce a sound, and to be able to speak, you would deny that hadith.
And other from the law, you know, Nobunaga, is that they used to say, at the time of Muhammad Salah, we said on the Sahaba, they sue, we used to hear the pebbles, say subhanallah Al Hamdulillah and praise Allah as in our hands, that they have mouths. They don't, but they could produce a sound. Right? And if you want to take something that is very close to you, right? Doesn't your phone talk to you?
Right? Does it have a mouse that doesn't? So when you think about it, right, then what a Tesla thought, or the philosophers thought thought one thing with their brain and they thought that that moment, their brain was the ultimate in you everything. Everything that speaks must have a mouth. But now we know what that's really false. Sounds can emanate without those tools, and things that we consider to have known before now we know better. So the mind that the monitor Zilla had and any mind that exists today that contradicts Allah's revelation is limited mind that cannot see everything that Allah has zodion knows and will create and will happen and definitely does not
understand the full Majesty of Allah subhanho wa taala. So the the the analogy that the martyrs Allah were making with anything else, right when they say if we affirm this, that means that Allah Azza must look like a human being we say Not at all. Lisa Kenneth Lee che on Oahu was Samuel Bussiere. Allah says, there's nothing like him and he is a semi overseer. So we say okay, if Allah hears things does he need an ear like ours to hear? Or an eye like
ours to see Allah azza wa jal does not have human parts, Allah azza wa jal whatever he has, is unique to him subhanho wa Taala and when you see Allah azza wa jal, right he's not going to look like anything like you have ever seen. And the sound that Allah azza wa jal makes when He speaks to you is unlike any human sound, but they say in affirming the speech of Allah xojo and know yet the kalam will be heard Finn was told that Allah has a good speaks and what you will hear from Allah is a sound and you will hear letters meaning language, right? Right. That is an Subhan Allah will hand it alone. So is that this Aqeedah by the way, is widespread among the Muslim masses. And why is
that? Because it agrees with their fifth Allah, it when you hear that Allah azza wa jal has spoken to Muhammad Sallallahu sallam, what do you imagine? Imagine Allah speaking to Muhammad Allah Muhammad Ali Salam Salam here and Allah is littered with his own ears. When Allah azza wa jal speaks to Musa alayhis salam.
What do you imagine? Imagine Musa listening to Allah and then receiving that and talking to Allah as though did back that there's a conversation and your mind accepts this? Right? Your mind accepts this. The problem with it is the Mirtha Zilla said, no, no, that is not true. The Quran all of it is created meaning what does it mean created? Allah created it. Then Allah created it. He didn't speak it just created it.
They say okay, play the voice that Musa alayhis salam heard
and that says in the UN Allah
I am Allah.
Okay, in the UN Allahu Allah boule. Alameen when you read the Quran not be a bad the end and Allah for all Rahim tell my slaves My servants, that I am the most forgiving and merciful. He say did a created thing speak that? If you say that the Quran is something created just like this bottle is created, right? Did that create a thing Tell Musa worship me and I'm Allah as Odin to let this Haoran that is created tell people, I am the creator.
I am the most forgiving I am the merciful tell my servants, that the Quran something created say that because that if you say that that in itself would be shirk.
Because then it will not be Allah who is speaking but a created being like, can you say I am Allah?
Can you say I'm the creator? Who is the only one who can say it? Allah azza wa jal about himself if you claim the Quran is created then a created thing is saying I'm Allah worship me okay. Oh gee would the hours a day either done okay? That is way thus allah k by the NIFA in near Caribe OG Bucha, our the day the when my slave as slaves ask you about me tell them that I'm close to them, and an answer their supplications when they asked me, a creative thing is saying this. Know that bishop is Allah Zota. That's why the speech of Allah has to be Allah Xeljanz speech uncreated. And there's evidence for it in the Quran, evidence for it in the Sunnah. It's so clear, when I had Amin
and Mushrikeen as the GA juror who had this market and Allah, if one of the non believers disbelievers. polytheists, ask for safe refuge, give him refuge until and so that he could hear the speech of Allah azza wa jal
and the Prophet sallallaahu Selim says in the Quran that Allah will call people on the Day of Judgment, with a cell with a voice with a sound that everybody can hear. So repeatedly in the Quran repeatedly in the Sunnah, all of that is being affirmed as something true. And there is a huge map, unanimous agreement among the scholars of Islam, that this is our theta that everybody should believe. And that's why the scholars of Islam haven't remembered before Hamedan humble and after him, he said that if someone says that the Quran is created, then by that he becomes a Kaffir. Or it's a statement of disbelief.
Okay. It's a statement why was it a statement of disbelief because it goes directly against what the Quran is saying, goes directly against what the prophets Allah cinema saying, and it also goes against each map. Now, you may think this of a Why is it such a big deal? It's because of that,
because it's an outright rejection of what Allah said, outright rejection what the prophet had said, as a said, some people gave their lives for this. And he hammered him no humble and imagine here, being willing right? To sacrifice for this. You need to be taken from your home, put in handcuffs, shackled, and taken to the jail and fun of the Khalifa.
and being questioned, and being whipped and being jailed and be put being put under house arrest, and prevented from teaching and meeting other scholars and students or what have you. And being patient despite all of that,
just for the sake of that belief, others being patient, and actually dying in jail, because of that belief. Why do they why did they sacrifice for something like that? Is because when you allow this to pass, if you're allowed this to pass,
Islam altogether will change. If you can reject something like this, you can reject the seeing of Allah as origin. You can reject other things that are very clear in Islam. And soon enough, what will happen is that you will strip Allah azza wa jal of his qualities and who he is, that if you can, despite all the overwhelming evidence, say that Allah azza wa jal does not speak these are the consequences.
Allah does not speak you can start saying that Allah does not see Allah does not hear. And eventually it leads to complete darkness.
Where Allah azza wa jal becomes something that is very distant, and does not affect you in any way. You're not going to see him. He doesn't hear you, he doesn't see you, he doesn't know anything about you. And you can say all of that because you opened the door for saying that the Quran is created.
So Islam itself the al Qaeda itself will corrupt add to it also and that that in itself is very problematic. Add to it also is that you lose the sanctity that comes with the Quran being the word of Allah's origin
so the Mozilla said well this is simply what created created the Usher era calm and if you're not familiar with these groups don't worry so much about it the Usher era come with the Usher lol because it's still today and the shadow wanted kind of to please everybody in a sense because they had influences from here and there. So the shadow have said what the shadow said okay? What we will say is that this is Calum Allah, this is the words of ALLAH, the meaning is from him.
With me, the meaning is from him. But the letter comes from either Gibreel or Mohamed Salah listen.
So meaning that Allah revealed to Muhammad Ali said and what the meaning and he said, express it, here's the meaning you say it. So the Prophet Audison constructed the words himself. So in a sense, it's the words of Allah in terms of meaning but the words of Muhammad in terms of the letter or degree, that's the opinion of the Shayla today, right, but it's not widely known. Because again, the masses don't they don't accept this, if they hear that they don't accept it. Unless you've learned it from that tradition, the ASHRAE tradition, you're going to be surprised to hear that is this this is the words of Muhammad the Quran is the words of Muhammad are the words of tribute or the words of
ALLAH. No, the words of Allah azza wa jal. So it's completely kind of starts to undermine the Quran, as the words of Allah azza wa jal because there's a difference between saying this is the miraculous, exact words of Allah Zoda letter for letter, versus saying that the meaning is only from Allah, and the construction is from a human being, is very different. So the sanctity that you have, the love that you have, the interpretation that you have of it, where every letter, right is there for a reason, and it's miraculous, and it was placed there by the why is the Most Merciful, the unknowing versus a human being, is very different.
So it undermines that accommodate undermines what it undermines Allah zodion and it undermines the Quran itself. And if you accept it, of course, it starts undermining other beliefs, Islamic beliefs and it doesn't stop. So that is why Muhammad Rahim Allah was so adamant about this is innovation. This is
apostasy
you don't believe in this and it's haram to believe in it. Now there's a difference of course between saying that this is apostasy and judging every person who believes it to be an apostate or a Kaffir there's a difference between them okay. And we will be reinforced that in sha Allah later. So, what is something that he says he Abraham Allah that I also wanted to explain before we leave
now um, when he says, Well, I have a yaku the laser beam McLachlan him not has it be hesitant or weak? In saying it is uncreated. Uh, why is he saying this? Because some people may say and they have said it, they say okay, we'll we can say Al Quran okay Allah Allah, the Quran
is the word of Allah, the speech of Allah azza wa jal, but this part laser beam look it's uncreated. Where do you find that in the Quran or sunnah
right there exactly. Where do you find that in the Quran and Sunnah. So would look, we hesitate to say this, we'll just see Kalam Allah. So I don't know Humberto hemella As if he's saying yes, in normal circumstances. It's enough to seek olam Allah. Why? Because everybody who hears that and says that they hear and they say the same thing. I love Allah meaning the exact words of Allah azza wa jal, it's uncreated. That's what they understand. But when then some people started to say it but mean something else que la mala but you know, Karim Allah in terms of it came from him in terms of creation, or it is so special like this house is Baitullah. Is this divine? No, it's created the
message.
So they say in a honorific way, it is Kalam Allah, but not in that it says speech. So they started to twist these words again. So he's saying now saying kala Mala is insufficient,
until you add to it xiaoma Look, why did we need to add it? Because it was not clear enough, and people will trying to twist the truth. So explain. So in terms of explanation, you see, have to see the Euro macklow That's why he said rahamallah. Don't hesitate and say that, so that the truth is clear. And so that we can what banish this Buddha entirely. So it's not enough that you would say, just get on with Allah later on, right? When that dies out, and you see a Quran rucola Allah could be taken and accepted from you. But when the bit arises, again, they need to block all the past to it. So sometimes and even today, when a bid arises, you'd have to what encountered by further
explanation. The explanations of the past may not have been may will not be sufficient, until you declare exactly what you believe. And that bidder dies out and then you don't need that explanation and evil anymore. And also when he said lovely will Quran Nima Hello, you don't really need to understand that but at one point during the life of Imam Muhammad Rahim Allah that staying my pronounciation of the Quran my recitation of the Quran is created. Muhammad we're humbled as if you're saying that they they try to play games with that, close that door entirely. Because you could mean two things with it one right and one wrong. If you say my recitation of the Quran is
created, you may mean your voice that's accurate. Or you can mean what Lucha Libre Quran? Min ml for the Right. Right? What is being uttered, is created, meaning the Quran itself. So that would be wrong. So you say there's no room for games here. So even those who say that,
you know, either they stop or they are both dead. Yeah, they're innovators. So things that even in normal circumstances would be okay. In abnormal circumstances. They could be a sign of Buddha, right? That's why during those times,
you want becomes more sensitive to what is wrong until it you know, dies, and then you could go back to normal, right? So, Amnon Mohamed Rahim Allah right had to withstand political pressure, and had to stand physical pain. And as we sent banishment and you know, house arrest and what have you, so that this belief would die out. And the response that he did for him or Allah and how he handled that ensured ultimately, that belief died out. And it does not exist in the OMA today, except in certain circles. But the OMA altogether have Allahu Allah have moved beyond it. So nobody now who hears the Quran thinks that or goes back to the belief or the Marta Zilla, or thinks in those terms.
So again, what we believe is, is that Allah azza wa jal spoke this Quran spoke this Quran, and that Gibreel Alayhis Salam heard it from Allah azza wa jal,
and that Allah Allah, then the Gibreel Costa Muhammad Sallallahu Sallam and he conveys to him exactly what he had heard from Allah azza wa jal, and that Allah azza wa jal spoke to Mohammed directly, and that Allah azza wa jal will speak of spoke to Musa directly Elohim was salam, and also that Allah will speak to you directly.
That he said ra salatu salam in the Hadith that there is no one of you except that he will stand before Allah azza wa jal, there are no mediators between him and him. And he will ask him, and you will answer questions that Allah will speak to you directly, and you will hear from Allah and He will speak to him subhanho wa Taala and that speech is an attribute of the attributes of Allah
As ordeal Allah has the ability to speak whenever he wants to say whatever he wants subhanho wa Taala and that is an attribute of perfection because those who deny it make Allah Zoda like a moot a person who has no ability to speak or as a Hindu sunnah. Lucerna they attribute the best of attributes to Allah as children and of course they say, of course he speaks because I a God who speaks is much better than a God who doesn't speak. All right? So Allah azza wa jal definitely speaks, Allah azza wa jal has the best to speech. And again, his attributes do not resemble the attributes of creation. So we don't extend or try to speculate as how that happens.
What does it sound like? These are things that are beyond us. Okay, well, lo Anna. So that's it. Insha Allah for today. And we move on insha Allah next week, we'll be talking about
seeing Allah azza wa jal and why that again, why that was an issue and what we believe about it, it's traits, that's probably the last
conclusion Inshallah, do you have any questions?
No,
no?
Now, um, now, so the question here, and this is a good question about a lot of fake is that
the question is about if the method is wrong, the conclusion even if method is wrong, the conclusion is right is still the process itself is wrong. And he said that the example that we've given is about the Deaf see that if you interpret it personally, privately, and the method is wrong, even if you reach the right interpretation of the idea, is still what you've done is wrong. He says, Does this apply to pondering and to the third word of the Quran, it can, because the double of the Quran is a a fruit of interpretation. So sometimes that the DeBoer, or the pondering or the benefit, let's say the benefit and the wisdom that you're taking the lesson from the idea is the right lesson. And
sometimes it's the wrong lesson. So first of all, what you've said is right, and that is the first step, which is that a person who is doing it on his own doesn't spread, it doesn't go and start teaching it because you don't really know whether it's right or what's wrong, if the meaning of the idea is very clear. And you've read the Tafseer. And because the double is a fruit of the understanding the meaning, if you read the diff, see most of the time, right most of the time, you could come up inshallah with good lessons that come from that area, because the meaning is right there. But some people especially if a person is going through some particular problems, you will
start seeing an idea through the prism of this particular problem only, oh, Allah is saying this, because it directly affects me, and this is how I see it, that person could misunderstand what that means. So when a person is in doubt, especially if there is belief or action that will follow that, and the general beliefs of the Quran, don't testify to what you're saying.
And you can take lessons from the Quran that you're supposed to be generous, and that's fine insha Allah so particular is supports that and you take that lesson, that's fine, because the general trend is right. But if you say some something that you're not sure of, the best thing is to consult someone who knows more, so that you make sure that you're not misreading or reading into the Quran, your own problems and your own solutions in it. So yeah, exactly.
There's a difference. Of course, of course Zakka law here. That's also another good question, which is that the most have the most half itself versus the Quran, right? And the technicality here is that sometimes we refer to this this is the Quran, right? Okay. But it's technically more accurately called the most half. So the most half that is made of ink, right or made of paper that's created, right? But the words of Allah azza wa jal, right, that it contains that's uncreated. Right. And that is clear enough in a person's head, right? That is if a person is reciting the Quran, right? That his words right, the sounds that he makes are created his own sounds, but the words that Allah azza
wa jal repeat that he's repeating these, this is the Quran that is uncreated. So the distinction in sha Allah is very, I hope is very clear inshallah. And once you know it, right, once you know it, you're done with it.
Okay, don't keep thinking about it. Right? Especially that, in a sense, it's not a living problem that a lot of people don't have that today. They're not struggling with it. But there's are lessons in it for us of how when a person misuses his mind can lead him into rejecting something that is very essential in Islam. There's so clear in the Quran and Sunnah. And in fact, that right belief becomes shitcan Allah azza wa jal, so you understand how the mind is quite unreliable and how it judges Allah's revelation, and even the judges itself and the world around it.
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to say something that
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now, Zach, Hola. Hey, good, good. So it says in the process of learning, if you say I think and I guess, right, and you're having a conversation with your teacher, right, that's the example you've given? Is this a problem? No, as long as the teacher has opened that door, and you'll see some scholars do that. They say, what is this? I mean, okay. And he wants to train them. Right? Of course, I mean, he's not coming to
uneducated, right group of students, and he said, What do you think? Now, he had already taught them something. But now he wants them to apply what he had taught them to work with, they have heard and kind of have them
kind of Ignite that spark in their minds as to how to approach the words of Allah azza wa jal, how to approach the Hadith, how how to interpret so as what does that mean? And he wants them to actually speculate in the beginning, so that they could test how they understand and if their understanding is right, and he can correct it. So in that regard, in that kind of limited circumstance, it's absolutely fine. It's part of the educational process. So it's not like they should hesitate and say I do not know I'm afraid now in the in the process of giving fatwa or giving that opinion to others, right or saying this is what is right, that becomes problematic, but in the
process of learning and then being corrected you're fine ish.
Okay, so we're done by Zach Malarkey, ALLAH SubhanA. Allah will be having a shadow invader he learned the stuff