Adnan Rashid – Ramadan Livestream – Building the Engine – How to Drive the Da’wah Forward

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The speakers emphasize the importance of building a culture of Islam, including the use of "immensive value" and "immensive value" in various media. They stress the need for men and women to take advantage of the opportunity to build the engine of learning and stop crimes, as well as the importance of bringing in creative values and perspectives to make them successful in the current climate. The speakers emphasize the need for men and women to take advantage of the opportunity to build the engine and stop crimes, as well as the importance of protecting one's intellectual property and the universal nature of Islam. They also stress the need for individuals to support the message of the Islam deity and create an institution that produces leadership and inspires people to donate.

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			We are live
		
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			let upon Rahim and humbly lost.
		
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			Brothers and sisters we are back with again Institute again it is myself without use of ponders and
doctors man Latif, at your service.
		
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			Again, today we are talking about building the engine, what engine are we talking about? We are
talking about building the
		
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			Dow so that we can take the Dow forward, we can create and produce the art leaders confident people
who can express Islam in the public domain with confidence. This is exactly what we mean by building
the engine. So tonight's appeal is about getting your support to build this engine of the art of
leaders have come community leaders, people who can do dow effectively and share the message of
Islam intelligent intelligently, intellectually and academically. This is exactly what we're
focusing on.
		
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			So the panel today is to start with Alhamdulillah myself, your stars Yousef and Dr. Swan Latif
Alhamdulillah. We have been with you for few days in the month of Ramadan tonight is the 23rd Night
of the month Ramadan which may well be later to Qatar and if it is, then we will be fortunate insha
Allah because we are right now as far as I'm concerned, in I am the progress Allah Islam said man
karma later the CADRE a man and wife a sovereign warfare Allahumma Takata woman, Gumby, anyone who
stand and stand in the night of power, with accountability and conviction, Allah will forgive his
sins. And if you do any good deeds in the night of power, then it is as if you have done it for 1000
		
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			months or more than that as a loss
		
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			of power. Laila,
		
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			Laila, Laila to Qadri hieromonk, Alfie Shara, the night of power is better than 1000 months. So do
not hesitate to start supporting our live
		
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			brothers
		
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			are raising funds for Sapiens Institute and in the process, we will be having conversations with
you, we'll be talking to you. We are broadcasting live right now on a number of channels on a number
of Facebook pages. And please share this feed right now with your contacts on your social media
content sharing so that more people can get involved and they can be in a conversation with us.
We'll be answering questions, we'll make it very dynamic and exciting. We'll be answering questions
on a number of issues Muslim woman is facing because Sapiens Institute is about giving solutions and
this is what building the engine is about. Okay, so today we are at your service to do exactly that,
		
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			to help you to help us to build the engine, the engine of our that key that takes us forward. So the
link the donation link will be rolling on the screen in a short while. There it is Sapiens
institute.org. forward slash donate live, and tonight may be your opportunity 23rd Night of the
month of Ramadan, may well be local color. So we will have some opening remarks from each of the
participants may Allah bless them for their time may Allah reward them for participating. This is a
noble endeavor. And online is not easy in the month of Ramadan especially in the odd nights when
people want to read the Quran pray at night and be with the families. It's not easy to sit on the
		
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			screen and go on for three four hours talking to the public answering questions. But Alhamdulillah
This is also a bother This is also worship as far as we are concerned. So over to you start use of
opening remarks and then we move to our share. Dr. Rothman Latif Allah salam o Alaikum
warahmatullahi wabarakatuh so
		
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			we are in the last days of the month of Ramadan as a man has just said and as he's also mentioned,
it's possibly the night of little cover and the night of little color is one where your your deeds
will be multiplied exponentially I can't remember exactly by how much one of the brothers could
remind me
		
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			by
		
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			the you know, how much 1000 months Yes, if I'm gonna sell it works out to be a lot basically save
anything you do today.
		
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			Obviously inshallah might be one of the great benefits so obviously you do that with worship, do
that with charity do that with donating to worthy causes, like Sapiens Institute, which works to
promote
		
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			vied a basis and a foundation for those that lack one. And insha. Allah, the work that we do here
will trickle, it'll be like planting seeds that don't just affect the people that are watching the
streams or, you know, getting involved with Sapiens Institute directly by engaging with the YouTube
channel on the website cetera. But in interactions, you know that these people that do engage with
us have with people who don't even know we exist, for example. And so that could therefore, you
know, obviously multiply even further. So if you're donating on the nice, lovely little cutter, and
whatever donation you make today has an effect in whatever way it does. And that is one which
		
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			transpires and goes beyond, you know, the immediate realm of those who engage with us, then Allah
knows best how much you could gain in terms of reward from that. So please, don't be shy, jumping in
the stream, obviously, when we pop the link in there, as well, for you to join and speak to us
directly. Make sure you're engaging in the comments, like, share, subscribe, as all of this helps
with the work that we do. So even if you can't afford to donate monetarily, you'd be surprised how
much effect it likes have how much effect shares have how much traffic that this can bring to the
channel. And then overall, how much benefit people could gain from being exposed to the work that
		
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			we're doing here. So do keep that in mind. And just yeah, straightaway now while you're watching,
share it with your on Facebook, even if you've got five friends on there. You know, it's five
potential people that could seek benefit from the work that we're doing here today and in the future
in sha Allah. But yeah, I'll leave it to Dr. Othman Latif to carry that on control.
		
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			So I want to come to light when I go to Al Hamdulillah. Hamlin shaqiri, in WA Salatu was Salam O
Allah, Islam was friendly. And
		
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			I mean, it's really wonderful on the being in the, in the presence of you guys have to learn it. And
it's such a worthy cause to penalize, we were reminded, of course, we should have done spoke about
this being Of course, the last 10 nights of Ramadan and the Prophet said that in the malamala bilhah
team actions are judged by their end results. And we are in fact in the last leg of this great month
and in the best of this great month. And we therefore seeking to multiply our energies exert our
efforts more in these final days and we did perhaps in the beginning of, of this month, we ask Allah
for traffic and afia for all of us. And like you know, like I will start the use of mentioned that
		
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			this is a month that is Allah says it is haram, and official is a month that is better than 1000
months. So this is in fact, these are days of Asana, these are days of increase in all kinds of good
deeds. And remember, of course, that Ramadan is a month of the Quran. And Quran is such, you know,
for of course, it's like the spring, in fact, in the light of the in the heart of the believer, in
the words of the prophets companion Jude who who said that the Quran is no rune, filial Muslim, or
hidden in the heart, it's your light in your dark night and your guidance in the day. And the whole
point is how do we as Sapiens Institute how do we as Muslims, really inspire ourselves and others to
		
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			reconnect with the book of Allah subhanho wa Taala remember, of course, the Quran is a is a word of
Allah, but it's a topic of, of a lot of, you know, characterization, the Quran or the contents of
the Quran or the, or the Prophet Solomon who was who was sent with the Quran, and it's about that
struggle that struggle against, you know, islamaphobia struggle against the detractors against
Islam. How do we, you know, work therefore, to reconnect, you know, our, the Muslims, you know, with
the book of Allah subhanho wa Taala.
		
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			Thank you so much, Dr. Osman and
		
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			this is why we are here. Our battle is against Islamophobia, which is a great evil in the world
today, Muslims are threatened day and night, actually on daily basis by Islamophobia. And it has
reached very, very high proportions. When we talk about Islamophobia. Now, it is found within the
political circles active in the Western world. It can be found in the Muslim world, it is all over
the place. It is being funded on the state level Now, unfortunately, presidents are involved in it,
journalists, TV anchors, okay. radio hosts are doing it. There are websites online, there's a lot of
Islamophobia and that causes somehow lack of confidence. So building the engine is about building
		
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			those leaders who can handle Islamophobia who can tackle Islamophobia, Intel intellectually as well
as academically. We want to create those leaders who are academically trained, who feel confident
enough to
		
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			Deal with Islamophobia to Sapiens Institute has done a lot of work in that regard. Okay. In the last
nine months Sapiens Institute has done some wonderful work in such a short time since July 2020.
Sapiens Institute has done phenomenal work, such as trained 6000 individuals on how to defend Islam
intellectually and academically. So we did training sessions, offline and online for 6000 people in
the last nine months is July 2020. Also, we developed and delivered over 33 academic webinars, we
delivered 10, in depth online courses and seminars. We also delivered advanced training to the Blue
Mosque outreach team, which has access to 4 million visitors every single year, who come to visit
		
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			the Blue Mosque,
		
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			published three books researched and published in essays and articles launched free online
lighthouse mentoring service, and this service individuals who have questions who need empowerment
or who have doubts, they can sit with one of the Sapiens member, one of the sap members and go
through the questions within an hour. And this is a one to one free of charge session, privately
mentored ex Muslims who are then people without will produce 30 sapient thought videos and some of
our works have been translated into Turkish and Spanish also into Arabic, Persian and Urdu languages
and other languages. Also other languages. So Sapiens Institute has done phenomenal work in the last
		
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			nine months since July 2020. And this is the traditional This is the, the speed we we want to carry
on with, we want to keep up with the speed. And this is what we are talking about building the
engine, the engine that pulls the train of intellectual power. We need that engine, strong, solid
well oiled, well funded, so that we can continue with the train that follows.
		
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			And this train is the train of intellectual power, creating leaders, empowering people, empowering
our youth, so that they can do the work of Islam and defend Islam intellectually and do away with
Islamophobia. Islamophobia will only go away through education my brothers and sisters remember that
we cannot afford to ignore it. The only way to do away with this evil is educate the masses, educate
our own people, and then educate the non Muslims the masses, we need to have access to media. We
need to have our own media outlets. We need to have our own media productions we need to have our
own academic journals. We need to have our own scholars on speakers on confident representatives.
		
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			And this is exactly what Sapiens Institute is raising funds for tonight, Sapiens Institute org
forward slash lighthouse.
		
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			That's the link for lighthouse service where you
		
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			house session with one Institute members
		
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			Sapiens institute.org forward slash Donate Life Do not hesitate to donate. And the least you can do
is to share this live appeal on all the social media networks using Instagram, Facebook, YouTube,
Twitter, wherever you may be, start sharing our live feed so that you can support this work. And
also encourage people to make donations and make donations yourself. Our target tonight is minimum
20,000 pounds. And can I have one line of logic come forward and start a competition let's say
someone makes a donation of 2000 pounds or 3000 pounds or makes a pledge that he will donate if
someone matches it. that encourages a lot of people for some reason. If someone comes across someone
		
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			comes forward and makes a challenge to make a donation of 1000 pounds or 2000 pounds or 3000 pounds
whatever you may be able to afford. Make that challenge and see the wonders. See the wonders in
Ramadan in the last 10 nights. The Muslims are very generous not that they are not generous
otherwise, but they are extremely generous, extra generous in the month of Ramadan and more so in
the last 10 nights, and even more so in the odd nights. So tonight is the 23rd Night of the month of
Ramadan. It may well be Laila to color. And the Prophet sallallahu Sallam has told us about the
rewards of making donations giving sadaqa supporting noble cause standing in the night of power. And
		
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			a lot older, told us in the Quran that the Quran was revealed in the night of power. And this night
is better than 1000 months better, not equal better.
		
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			Then 1000 months so beyond your imaginations. So if basically you make a donation tonight you are
doing it as if if it's Laila Takada tonight, you would be doing it for 1000, over 1000 months you
were doing we would be doing it for over 1000 months. So this is the appeal brothers This is
tonight, don't do not let us down it, if it was a Christian appeal, the donations would be coming in
like that. They would be coming in like that, for some reason, Christians feel that they religion
feel needs to be defended, or it needs that support for it to spread. Islam is no exception. Islam
is better, as we believe the Muslims we believe is a better is a clearer way of life. It is a
		
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			clearer view on God, it is less confusing is more rational. That's why people might think, okay,
Islam is more rational, and we don't really need to do anything about it. No, we do. We need to
promote it, we need to give confidence to our youngsters, we need to build the engine, the engine
that pulls the train of our intellectual power, academic power. So building the engine is the appeal
tonight, we are trying to create produce leaders who will be pulling this off who will be managing
this engine in sha Allah. So brothers sisters, let's join. Let's let's get people in so that they
can ask the questions in the chats, and they can ask the questions live so that we can answer the
		
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			question in sha Allah. Okay. In the meantime, if you really want to know more about Sapiens work,
then you can go to the website, Sapiens institute.org is the website, you can visit the website and
see some of the work we have done. That will show you the magnitude of good work we are dealing with
here. So you would be supporting that work my brothers and sisters. So let's do our questioners or
if there are any questions, any comments, people want to come in, they want to join the chat.
They're more than welcome to join. Let's make it dynamic. inshallah. Brothers and sisters, are there
any questions from the audience? We are being brought, we are broadcasting on a number of different
		
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			channels. So I'm pretty sure there are a lot of people who want to join the chat. How do we join the
chat by the use of is there? Is there a way to join the chat? How do we go? Yeah, yes. So I've put
the link into the the comments section in the live chat. So feel free to jump on via that link. I've
already got the link up there as well. So if you can't find it in the chat, for whatever reason, you
can type it there. And I'm going to I can't put the link in the description unfortunate because I
don't have access to the
		
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			that basically the editing ability on the stream itself, but I would like to quickly remind everyone
those who come for questions, please keep your questions short and snappy, and we will try to give
our answers in as brief terms as possible inshallah, so that we can get more and more people
involved. inshallah, at the same time, continue to remind you as to why we are here tonight, on the
23rd Night of the month of Ramadan, it may well be because of my brothers and sisters. So are there
any questions? Are there any participants who want to come in? Maybe?
		
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			Would you like to sit do some questions on the live chat first, or would you prefer? Yes, no
problem. So we've got one here. What is the use with a rules paradox? Okay, that's a good question.
I don't know what that is. Yeah. So you said throws paradox was something put forward by Plato in
one of his books, where there's a discussion between
		
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			I think, Socrates and euthyphro by chance, and so the question basically is, is, is God good? It is
something good because God says that it's good. Or
		
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			is it good in and of itself? does God say it's good, because it is good. And so it seeks to sort of
make this dichotomy and it says, You either have to pick one or the other horn. And what they
generally tend to say is that if you say that something is good, because God says that it's good.
		
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			And that's the only reason that this somehow makes
		
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			good, arbitrary, or they'd like to try to use the word subjective here.
		
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			And what they end up generally missing is the fact that it Allah subhanaw taala isn't just making
choices out of a whim, you know, Allah subhanaw. taala is wise. He's all knowing. And when he's
making choices, he's making wise choices. And you know, that you can't just talk about the choices
that he makes independently or without reference to his wisdom without reference to his knowledge.
And so you can't refer to a choice in this particular way, as one that is arbitrary or random or
based
		
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			on a whim, which also it in a funny way, tries to make a comparison between the way we make
decisions to the way Allah makes decisions, and that's really not a good comparison at all. To me,
Allah subhanaw taala is unique and independent in the way he interacts. Whereas we are not
		
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			independent. We are dependent on many things. We're finite, we lack knowledge in many ways. And we
are driven by desires and emotions and ego. And obviously, a lot of the things that motivate us in
our choices and our picking of things is certainly not the way in which Allah subhanaw taala is
making choices or picking things. So for me, in general, it when they try to make you pick one of
the horns, they often end up being very uncharitable in the way that they approach that particular
problem. Dr. Mann Latif, I don't know if you want to add to that at all. Well, yeah, it does look
like I think it's almost use it was a wonderful explanation you gave you know, for that. I think one
		
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			of the things that I was reminded of as you were speaking about the, the whole, you know, the fact
that Allah subhanaw taala described himself as Aleem, as Al Hakim, as one who is all knowing and
honors all wise. And we find this me many times in the Quran one time until the use of is repeated.
In fact, three times Allah describes as being Aileen when Hakeem Ali mala Hakim, the one who is all
knowing and all wise, but in light of what you were saying about the, the whole concept of of
goodness, and is it something that God says is good? Is that why it's good? Well look at the example
of, of when Allah created Adam, in earliest time in the first place, and the angels began to
		
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			question and they began to say, that geography ha when you have to do a fee, how would you place on
the earth one would so corruption on the earth and spill blood on the earth? whilst we praise you
and glorify You? And Allah says to them, in the moment Allah whom Allah to Allah moon, so he says, I
know what you don't know. And I know what you don't know. And and then of course, Allah in a toward
animal Islam words, names, which the angels didn't know when Allah then ask the angels to repeat
those names that were unable to do that. And then they said, this beautiful prayer, beautiful words
is a reflection therefore, of the humility of knowledge that people don't know everything that
		
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			whatever they know is what is taught to them by Allah subhanho wa Taala. And that they said that
Subhana Allah Subhana is from sapan, which is free of all imperfections is Allah glory beat you Oh,
Allah, Lyle Mallanna. We have no knowledge in lemma lm tonight, except that what You have taught us,
and you are ultimune Hakeem, you're all knowing and you're all wise. So therefore, that we have to,
of course, in some respects, many respects, surrender that to Allah that Allah is full of modules
full of wisdom. And that's really if I that's, that's in the entirety of a person's life. Everything
we observe, are in our walls that we appreciate it our senses and our very being is bound by that
		
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			knowledge that everything that's being done, or not being done, is all in from allows wisdom and all
from our love's knowledge. So
		
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			it's the opposite. bring someone on as you've got brother. I mean,
		
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			Salaam Alaikum. Brother, I mean, if you would like to unmute your mic and ask your
		
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			while.
		
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			Brother, I'm currently talking with him agnostic.
		
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			And he, he claims to be agnostic. And
		
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			after the first of the talk, I have shared the Kalam cosmological argument to him. And he just he
said that yeah, it's logically sound. Then I said that, Are you certain that God exists? And he
said, he and God exist. Then he said that you cannot prove that if Islamic God cause
		
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			he is not merciful God. He just said the eternity of the hellfire.
		
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			Because he said that it is not logically sound for me. The Hellfire is eternal.
		
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			So how can I respond to him?
		
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			Why is it you've asked him, Why is it not logically coherent?
		
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			People, he's just making an assertion. So the thing is, would argue, if you make a claim, you have
to back that up with a particular set of reasons as to why that's the case. And then
		
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			he's saying is how to recons reconcile the concept of most merciful and the eternity of the
hellfire.
		
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			Yeah, the question is, what's the contradiction? exactly
		
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			is it he said, You
		
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			If God gonna put us, the disbelievers in the Hellfire than how he can be most merciful? That's the
question.
		
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			Yeah, no, I understand that. What I'm saying is when someone, for example, makes a particular claim
and says it's incoherent, you ask them well, what is it specifically that makes it incoherent? If
he's just making the statements, that's not an argument.
		
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			But that's how I would approach it. Mostly, I will say, well explain to you why is incoherent. Allah
subhanaw taala can put who he wills into the site, and he can save whom He wills from the fire as
well.
		
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			So, you know, in with regards to how long they spend in the fire. It's, you know, he's, he's wise,
he knows what he's doing.
		
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			What's the issue? Exactly?
		
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			Yeah, I understand the issue, but he just repeating the question that how he can be most merciful
and
		
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			he can make a Hellfire eternal for the disbelievers? Yeah, I would literally just say, Well, why?
Why couldn't he?
		
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			Because he's mercy. him being the most merciful. So how many people does Allah subhanaw taala
forgive? We don't know, he could, he could forgive a lot of people, he could forgive a little, but
his being most merciful. And all that obviously means simply is that when people are approaching him
on Judgement Day, that there will be plenty of people being forgiven.
		
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			And that people can't forgive like he does. And that in that forgiveness, that they will be given an
ultimate reward for that. With regards to how many people he puts in the Hellfire, those who go to
* fire will be people who deserve it, not people just based on a whim, he's not just gonna throw
them in there, because he, you know, of arbitrary reasons that there are going to be
		
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			there's going to be a weighing on that on the Day of Judgment. And those whose scales were heavy, on
the wrong side, will be thrown into the hellfire. And that weighing is going to be based on the
deeds, which are considered bad deeds. So it's not just a I don't like this guy he can go in it's a
there is justice in that you have good deeds, and you have bad deeds, and they are weighed on a
scale. And depending on how heavy one weighs on the other, he will put you in health and then I'll
ask funnels, Allah repeatedly says in the Quran, that you know that when you do good deeds, and He
will give you multiple rewards for that. And when you do something bad, you get given one deed put
		
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			on your scale. So you know, this is the the way in which Allah subhanaw taala is merciful, he makes
it so that it's, you know, all you need to do is inclined to him and seek forgiveness, he repentance
to do good deeds, and he will just pay all the rewards onto the good side of your scale. This is
mercy. He doesn't have to do that he can make it a one for one. But he doesn't. He gives you
exponentially in terms of the good that you do. And he gives you one for one in terms of the bad
that you do. And he can turn Good, bad deeds, he can make them forgotten. He can turn bad deeds into
good deeds, it This is how He is merciful. And there is no being like him in terms of that mercy
		
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			that makes him the Most Merciful. Now with regards to how long people go to the Hellfire,
		
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			like, I really don't see how that that entails that he's not the most merciful.
		
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			No, he's, you see, the issue of Hellfire is blown out of proportions many times by agnostics.
		
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			Hellfire is absolutely just Why? Because Allah in His divine wisdom, he knows that if he were to
give a life of 1000 years to people like Hitler, they would commit to bigger atrocities. So the
people who have been Hellfire are the ones who are truly deserving of it. Allah is just, it doesn't
just create people to punish them to throw them in Hellfire rather he has given us a level of
freedom, you know, there is there is there is some freedom we have, right. And based on that
freedom, the magnitude of it, the reward and punishment will be equally applied. So if someone was
given a life of a million, or 1000 years or 10,000 years, Allah knows if these people would continue
		
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			to commit the same since they went to Hellfire for. So there is a lot of wisdom if Allah is that all
if he's all wise, and all powerful, then we submit to His wisdom. And this is how we understand it a
lot. Just send people to * fire for the sake of it for fun, rather, they will truly have it. So
this is our view on Hellfire and people who will go to Paradise. Well, I think paradise deserve it
and it will go
		
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			You receive a lot if they fail in doing certain good deeds. And if they were sinners of a minor
scale, they will go to Paradise, having paid for their sins. But those criminals like Hitler, like
Stalin, like Mussolini, like big mass murderers, they're not going anywhere except the Hellfire,
because they would have done it for 1000 years. Because as long as they lived, and they did it the
time when they were at the peak of their, you know, When, when, when, when to human went to humans
become mature, right? Hitler was over 40, you know, he was in his 50s, when he committed Holocaust.
Stalin was way into his, his, you know, past middle age, when he committed all the major atrocities
		
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			in Ukraine and, and Central Asia. Likewise, Mussolini,
		
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			look at him when he was killed. He was I think he was nearly 60, if not, in the mid 50s. These
people had reached the peak of their maturity, they were mature.
		
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			You can't generally say they were rash. They were kids, they were young. They couldn't think
straight.
		
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			They went astray. They were driven by the passions, no, these people who mature they were already
very highly educated.
		
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			Mostly he was a teacher, Stalin was a priest back in the day before he apostatize. Hitler had
written a book mind camps, you know, in jail, when he was in jail. Hitler was an intelligent man,
albeit for the wrong reasons. Right? So Allah knows why these people are going to help fire those
best. Well, who Allah mobilemonkey he tells us, and he's the, he's the most aware as to who deserves
to be guided? That's our answer. I hope we have answered your question. I mean, like you saw, what
one more thing if I could just say I think
		
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			Yeah, before exactly, thank you. I think the whole problem whenever I think with agnosticism is that
in their in their denial of Allah, they then they they construct their own version of who God should
be. You know, because you don't because of that sense of belief. I think that the whole premises for
for Islam and Muslims is to understand who is Allah subhanho wa Taala. And I think that if the if
the journey begins them alone, the Quran says, You should know that Allah only Allah deserves to be
worshipped. But and learn about Allah, his names and attributes, if Allah subhana wa Taala is an
idol, if Allah is the one who is just, if Allah is the one who is like him, Allah, Allah was wise
		
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			and all knowing all of these things really help us in fact, because they, they remind us that all
things that Allah does, Allah does with full wisdom and full understanding for wisdom. And even
though we may not have that fullest understanding, it's all in Allah is complete and this full
knowledge and and his full wisdom. In the Quran, Allah says subhana wa Taala. Many of if Allah lobby
either become in ceccato momentum, what does Allah have to do by punishing you if you are grateful,
and if you believe, and you see therefore the the travesty of not having belief
		
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			is a complete denial of all of the things that you're witnessing. You're feeling you're sensing
simulataneously at every single moment of your existence, right, all of that is happening is being
caused by by some by somebody, that that Allah divine cause Allah subhanho wa Taala but and then in
denying that, and living as if you know, everything is your own making, it's, you know, it's the
it's the, it's the epitome of of ingratitude that Allah describes in the Quran. And so therefore,
you know, when Allah punishes you punish us for a reason Allah punishes him for from his full
wisdom. And the thing of course to remember is that we believe as Muslims Allah subhanho wa Taala
		
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			is, is maximally omniscient, maximally Omni benevolent and maximally omnipotent Allah is Allah is
maximally unnecessarily, all powerful maximally unnecessarily, all knowing and maximally
unnecessarily, all loving, right? And the key point here for us is this and as your Canon was
speaking about the fact that if people tend to Allah, Allah forgives them. There's a beautiful point
here about the fact that even if people tend to Allah, Who is it that is inspiring them to turn to
Allah? Right? And this is something that reminds us of when alencon says so metabo la familia tubu.
So metabo la him Leah tubu. In what what Rahim Allah says, Allah turn to them so that they will tend
		
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			to hit to to him, right. And allies to level Rahim, the same with Adam alayhis salaam for tilaka
adamak Miracle imagine that Adam was met with some words from his Lord. So even if there is a moment
an instance in a person's life without
		
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			person feels a sense of awe in Allah subhanho wa Taala. That, in that is created by Allah, Allah
puts that inspiration in the in the heart of that person, then it's upon that person, then to act
and Allah of course would respond. So Allah gives so many opportunity, of course in life. If a
person for example lives a very short life, that's in the knowledge of Allah, Allah will judge that
person accordingly. So all judgment, Allah subhana wa jal is Maliki Yama, Deen, the Master of the
Day of Judgment, right? Allah, Allah will judge people with full justice and even when it comes to
the love, and the most like the brother mentioned, look at this Hadith, when the principal and we
		
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			saw, you know, after one battle, there was some inner captives and one woman was scurrying around
looking for her child, she couldn't find him. And then she finds the child. Then she picks up the
child and she brings a child to herself, and begins to embrace that child. And the Prophet and the
Prophet companions saw that scene. And the Prophet told his companions, and he says to them, are at
Mara, do you see this woman? Do you think that woman would ever stroke through her child in the
fire? Right? And they said, you know, sort of live there's no need for her, then she would never do
that. And the promise that although otter Hammurabi, I begged him in the head of morality, how Allah
		
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			is more merciful to his servants than that mother is to her child. Right? So we can't fully
understand or conceptualize what is the fullness of Allah's mercy, fullness of Allah's love. And
look at this hadith very quickly because we are, of course, in the month of mercy. In the last part
of the month of mercy, these are days and nights of mercy. We ask Allah put mercy in all of us. When
the Prophet said, in the Lamia, Dora, Allah has 100 parts of his mercy, ones element Rama, tanwar,
Hadith and bennell Genie will ends and Allah reveals one part of His mercy between humans and Gen
wilbraham. We'll have one and beasts and insects Yes, my friend sent me
		
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			a new story about, about a rat, in fact, about a rat, who
		
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			there's, there's two rats and one one rat is kind of, it's an scientific experiment, one rat is, is
it's kind of trapped in something and the other rat, you know, would that other rat and tried to
alleviate the suffering of its fellow rat by helping it to escape? And it showed that the rat made
six consecutive consecutive efforts to help the other rat escape? And where is this coming from?
When the Prophet is saying, therefore that even the beasts, even the insects, insects, I mean even
rats share something of that Divine Mercy of Allah Subhana Allah to Allah, and Allah has delayed 99
parts of his mercy, to show mercy to his servants on the Day of Judgment, Allah. So Allah is mercy
		
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			really is everywhere. Allah's love is everywhere, but remember also, Allah is Allah Karim. Allah is
the evanesce. Right? Allah is close to his servants, right? It's not about a very convoluted,
difficult way of approaching Allah like from the Christian narrative, by accepting of blood
sacrifice and atonement, all of these kinds of things. It's very simple. Alaina Quran says what are
the Celica I barely any for any corrib one of my servants as you concerning me that I'm I'm very
close and I respond to him or calls upon me. And then I of course continue so you know, we ask Allah
for for Tofig. Thank you so much, Dr. Swan. for that. Someone asked the question. How can Emily
		
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			loving God?
		
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			How can maximum loving God send someone to Hellfire? How does it compare with the love of mother?
before we answer this question, I want to remind everyone again, what are we doing tonight? We are
building the engine, the engine of intellectual power to defend the intellectual boundaries of
Islam. We are building the engine that will be administered by confident, educated, knowledgeable
youth leaders. We are talking about producing leaders within the Muslim Ummah globally through this
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			with weak trembling hearts that do not have enough confidence to speak of Islam or talk about the
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			Check. I'm gonna do that. Okay, these people don't just come out of vacuums.
		
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			They are produced. They are inspired by examples Sheikh Ahmed deedat was made by a book he read. He
found in a storeroom as a youngster, he found a book a book written by an Indian scholar, when he
had debated a Christian pastor, a missionary in India in the mid 19th century in the 1850s. And a
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			is knowledgeable, who could look them in the eye and debate with them and confront Islamophobia in
South Africa. He was a product of Islamophobia. Likewise, Dr. naiku became a student of shakaama d
dot d that inspired him. And then, as a result, this is a chain reaction. This is a chain reaction
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			upon men and women both like seeking knowledge is like the Prophet sallallahu Sallam said tabula
rasa either canonically Muslim, called a Muslim, almost that means all Muslims, it is only men,
Muslims, and Muslim men, right? For men and women. And this is what Sapiens Institute. Pioneers are
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next question. How can a maximally loving God send people to * fire? How does it compare with the
		
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			love of mother? Now? I will try I will attempt an answer and then my brothers can come in and
brothers, please jump in. Dr. Oz. Man. As you said, don't hesitate to jump in if you need to. If
you'd like saying something, you don't need permission, this is your show. Please come in. Okay.
		
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			You gave the example of a mother imagine a mother who has a child who is a criminal. He loves him no
doubt.
		
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			He loves him to which she gave him birth. She loves him very much. But he is * in front of his
mother.
		
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			He is torturing children in front of his mother. He is about to throw a million people into a gas
chamber. any sane mother, any loving mother, any just mother any morally upright mother would stop
that child Yes or no? besides us? Yeah, yeah. So basically, what people tend to forget is Allah
subhanaw. taala is not just merciful, he's also just
		
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			so and there are cases where someone being too merciful leads to injustice. And there becomes this
conflict here. And so with that, like the example you gave, so a mother who is out of love for that
child, refusing to allow justice to take place, getting in the way of justice preventing the crimes
that he is committing from being punished. This is not just and Allah subhanaw taala is just and in
cases where justice or an injustice is occurring. Allah subhanaw taala will only go so far with his
mercy. And you know, there are some people that not worthy of mercy
		
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			That's quite clear from the example you gave there. And you know, you don't need to be that creative
to think of countless other examples where someone being merciful is itself a wrong, not the right
thing to do. If like, for example, someone is murdering people, you could be merciful and not punish
them. But is that, is that really a good thing? Is that commendable? So the question is, is, at what
point where's the line? At what point does mercy cease to be a commendable attribute and becomes
something bad?
		
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			You know, and obviously, with the the examples that we've given so far, I think that's that's enough
to sort of deal with that particular contention, personally.
		
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			Thank you for that use of so this is the answer. So justice and love do not necessarily contradict
each other, each other rather, they are intertwined. Love, requires justice, and justice requires
love. And this is, this is exactly how we feel a lot as a balance. He loves his creation. And the
same time he has to do justice, he really have to do justice. And His justice is a manifestation of
His love. If you love your children, you will do justice between them. Right? If you have 10
children, let's say, and you're treating to in a special way, and the remaining eight are suffering,
longing for love. That's not justice. So any loving father or mother, if you want to use that
		
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			example has to be just equally. So justice sometimes requires reward and punishment. That's what it
is. So we move on to the next questions. If you have any questions from chat, you can post them
share Youssef. Otherwise, we have some here. There is one question I want. I'm gonna summarize it.
It says science continues to change. And in Islam, you have something like allowing cousins to
marry, and that leads to disease. So if I can bring you on, and you can ask more specifically, it
doesn't want to come on this person wants to want you to type in the chat. So I'm reading from the
chat. Okay. Well, firstly, Islam is not obligated to get an idea cousins. It is allowed, but it is
		
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			not recommended. I hope that's clear. It is allowed actually the province also, if I'm not mistaken,
there are reports that he encouraged marrying and other people, right. So there is no injunction
Islam in Islam that forces you to marry,
		
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			you know, within your family or with your close cousins. It is allowed. It's an option right now,
but it's not an obligation. It's not obligatory. So that's the answer to answer your question, and
sighs science is indeed changing science keep keep shifting Paul. What Newton was doing is not
science anymore. What it will Haytham was doing is not science anymore, right? What, let's say,
other scientists were doing in the Renaissance period, or during the Enlightenment period, their
experiments they conducted, for example, what Joseph Priestley was doing in the 18th century is not
science anymore. Okay? Even what Einstein was doing is not science anymore. Strictly speaking,
		
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			science has moved on, even from the time of Einstein, right. Physics has moved on quite a lot on
that time. Oh, it will keep moving. It will keep going because we are learning by the day. We are
learning every single day. So on that note, brothers and sisters, let me remind you again, 23rd
Night of the month of Ramadan, may well be Laila Coker. The Prophet said anyone who's trying to
stand in the night of power with accountability and firm faith, Allah will forgive his or her sins
tonight, maybe local color and we are asking for your support to build the engine, build the engine
of Dawa, that will pull the intellectual
		
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			dour train of Islam. Okay. And we are talking about building leaders tonight Sapiens institute.org.
forward slash donate live is the link and here we have something. What do we have here?
		
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			What do we have? We have your beloved
		
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			is your beloved.
		
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			I wish that was true. As the Lavalier.
		
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			Brother use of mine, Dr. Oz man, how's it going? Are we ready? Are we are we pumped to build the
engine?
		
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			Hello. Anyway, so important that we build the engine for that our brothers and sisters because
		
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			we have to elevate the Dow because there's so much more that's happening now when I started the Dow
1015 years ago, our bond would know this as well. The arguments have become far more sophisticated
now. Look, see the minute you enter the field and you start throwing out these ideas and values and
perspectives and philosophies and field philosophies. You're going to get people coming back with
responses like for example all
		
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			Ahead use of for playing very well to the euthyphro dilemma that needs a response, then he's a
robust response. And he's development he needs a kind of understanding where people could understand
what it means and how you can apply it to this to more realism, right? Because a more realist
doesn't mean a moral anti realist, someone who doesn't believe that there are mind independent, more
properties and values, they don't really care about the
		
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			you prefers dilemma that's aimed at Muslims who are theists who articularly that there are mind
independent, moral values. And even in the Islamic tradition, there's differences of opinion, how do
we unpack that for people to basically understand and internalize and be able to, you know, respond
to the anti theists, the atheist of the world. So the point here is, we want to become the engine
for the dollar. And this is what we're trying to do. And that's how we trained over 6000 Muslims
since last July. And for instance, we do things that you may not be aware of, for example, we train
the volunteers in advance doweled training program, the volunteers at the Blue Mosque, Istanbul, the
		
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			outreach volunteers, and they have access to four to 5 million million visitors each year. And not
only this, I instructors personally have trained students from Medina University, mer Shaya scholars
imaams, from America from Europe, we've gone to the data looms, this is what we do. And we don't
claim to have any special knowledge, we are standing on the shoulders of giants, we will lie he will
just echoing what the Giants have said, the only thing that we may have something is that we're able
to contemporize what the Giants have said. We just try and make it contemporary because we're lucky
brothers and sisters, I even said this in my book.
		
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			There's nothing to worry about. Islam is the most robust, convincing intellectual, emotional,
spiritual tradition helaas is going to be successful with us without us as a promise from Allah.
		
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			All we need to do is to beg Allah that we're given the opportunity for him to use us as a means to
actually become the engine for the dollar and get involved to the dollar. And we should also make
him so we could be able to use these timeless values and perspectives and ideas for example, I was
watching briefly it wasn't brief I need to watch the whole thing I think I was watching the podcast
thought adventure for the use of his on that Yeah, phenomenal
		
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			they did an amazing job on our and raw like it was annihilate tree it was annihilate tree it was it
crumbled him It destroyed him intellectually he had no clue what was going on. And the way brother
Sharif he the way he basically articulate the contingency argument in a way to make him understand
because he used the the principle of sufficient reason and applied it to the to to scientific
phenomena and that then he explanations the way he anchored off that I was like hats off as bravo
bravo and what was I going with this? Why did I mention this? I've lost most of my thought was I
mentioning before
		
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			wasn't saying
		
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			you were talking about needing robust answers.
		
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			So the answers that you know brother Sharif myself have them to loose in others. They just take it
from our tradition. If you read any book any creed book, take a kid at the highway I will all the
schools of creed agree with this book. Go to the explanations you will find the argument from
contingency in most in all the creed books. That's why you have concepts such as mumkin algu,
possibly existing why
		
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			the necessary existing we're all just taking this from our tradition brothers and sisters, all we're
doing we're just bringing it into the contemporary reality in a contemporary way for people to
understand as well. The point is brothers and sisters This is worried about what will be the engine
behind the dollar. And I want you to go to Sapiens Institute org forward slash donate live and
donate right away use a quick question Have we showed them any videos yet? We have not. Okay, I'm
going to pull out a video for them. Let me share this video with you guys.
		
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			Just bear with me. And remember how to do this again. I'm on call Hannah who wants to come in and
ask question repeatedly.
		
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			Sister but let that person in and while we are watching the video, we can go back to them inshallah.
		
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			Right. Is that Hannah?
		
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			Yes, that sounds like a slam Go ahead, please.
		
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			Um, so my question
		
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			Was I was watching you surf on
		
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			the thought adventures podcast and you were talking about the Kalam argument.
		
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			And I'm not sure if it was you or
		
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			Sheriff that made the point that I'm a physical
		
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			attorney Eternity is illogical.
		
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			And I was just wondering, but don't we believe that * and heaven is going to be for eternity?
Yes, the differences is, it's not that it's an infinite. So it's a potential infinite, not an actual
infinite. So basically, that it has a beginning. And you're always adding one book, at any point, in
that line of time, you won't have an infinite sequence of events. So that's distinct from saying
that existence or that the universe has existed for an eternity, which is to say that there exists
an actual infinite, rather than a potential infinite extent. So you can have an eternity that has a
beginning.
		
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			So yeah, but it's not that you can have an eternity without, with the beginning is that if you're
saying that heaven is going to exist for an eternity, it never exists for an infinite amount of
time? Because it has a beginning. And whatever point in that timeline you stop at, that's always a
finite amount of time. Yeah. An interesting way of querying to say it's ever lost being would go
forever. So, but if you were to say, for example, so much, gentlemen, and you say to him, right,
after billion years, let's pause, hypothetically, when you ask them how long you've been here, for,
they're going to say, I've been here for a billion years, they're never going to say I've been here
		
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			for an infinite amount of time. So there's a difference when something has already existed for
eternity infinite. And something that is going to continue forever. Those are two different
concepts, you get those concepts?
		
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			Yeah. Okay, good.
		
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			So, by the way, the term infinite is confusing a lot of people. And I don't know if it's if it can
be applied islamically speaking, right.
		
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			Can we impose the term infinity on Islamic theology? This is a question I had.
		
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			Yes, you Oh, yeah. Well, it depends. It depends what you mean by So for example, if we mean by
infinite eternal, then. But a tunnel can have two concepts as well, that is already existed. For for
an eternal map for an infinite amount of time, or there's always going to be continually existing.
So with regards to Allah Subhana, WA, to Allah, we say that he is eternal.
		
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			But we don't say he's eternal, just like *'s eternal because * had a beginning and is
continuing, right. So there are there are two distinct concepts there depends. But
		
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			the reason the bravas say you can't have a physical infinite, is to show the final truth of the
universe as well to show the contingent nature of the universe. Because there are two types of
infinite, you have the differentiated infinite, and the undifferentiated infinite. So an
undifferentiated infinite is an infinite that's not made up of discrete physical parts. That's, that
could be coherent, we don't have a problem with that. What we're talking about is a differentiated
infinite, and infinite, that's made up of discrete physical parts. That is these two paradoxes, and
it simply doesn't exist, it only exists in the mathematical realm of discourse. And that has its own
		
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			axioms and assumptions.
		
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			But I agree with that nine, to be honest, I think what we should do the See, classically speaking,
using such language is not a problem as long as you explain it. But generally speaking, you should
use a language that is closer to the kind of Islamic discourse, because it just helps people
reconcile it with their theology. So I'm a fan of that. I'm not necessarily I'm not saying it's
wrong. Of course, it's not wrong, as long as you define it properly, and you make those
distinctions. But sometimes it's better just for us to use the language the alumni use, and I know
many of our alumni use, use that language anyway. And don't forget, we're speaking about this in the
		
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			English context. So we're never going to use accurate language anyway. But as a general principle is
always good to bring it back to similar linguistic understanding like that, that exists in our
tradition. It just makes it easier for people to kind of reconcile or understand the concepts how
they relate to the tradition itself. But yeah, more anything to say yourself. Yeah, it's just
really, if you want to read more about it, just look into the difference between potential and
actual infinite. So when you're talking about a universe, being actually infinite, that is always
existed, and always will exist temporarily. And then that is not the same as saying that, you know,
		
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			you've got this created thing that has a beginning and then exists one day at a time, consider
		
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			Manually going on into the future. These are two different things.
		
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			And so if you read into that more, that should answer your question.
		
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			Because of the term terminology in the Quran, Allah says called Idina via Avada.
		
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			And that simply means they will remain the rain forever. Or they will remain, they will remain, they
will call Idina via Ababa, they will remain there in Okay. Now, to apply the concept of infinity to
that particular statement, I don't know how, how appropriate that is. But Quran is very straight.
And that's what we believe in that those who go to * fire, and they have committed heinous
crimes, they will remain there in they will not come out of Mumbai. Hellfire hasn't always been
there. And that's the difference. So *, Yes, it was. So that's so so what you saying is perfectly
fine. And because when you're saying Heaven and *,
		
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			how hasn't always been they had a beginning and forever, forever means is going to continue.
		
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			It's never going to stop.
		
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			But that doesn't mean it doesn't mean it's always been there. So something that had the beginning,
and it's never going to stop is what you call really a potential infinite meaning. It's going to
continue. It's never always, there's never gonna, if you press the pause button, you're never gonna
say, I've been here for a turn amount of time. No, you've been here for trillions of years. And it's
continuing that the users are going to make so those things this is not contradiction is perfectly.
The word infinite doesn't apply to an eternal paradise. It's not actually infinite. Like you say, at
any point in time, you don't have an infinite amount of time having passed
		
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			that makes sense, but I do have an infinite amount of love for you.
		
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			And not my friend you cannot disprove because it's not a differentiating infinite happy My heart is
not made out of
		
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			potential potentially infinite
		
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			butthead. So let's show this video. How do you show the videos again? You suck. I'm confused. I'll
do it. Which one is it? You do the new one. Thank you so much.
		
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			On that note, building the engine everyone remember Sapiens institute.org, forward slash donate
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			and most importantly confident. And that will only happen when we give them that training in a
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Donate Life is the link my brothers sisters Don't hesitate, please. It's the 23rd night of Ramadan,
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it's panela they have plenty of support. Islamophobia industry is a well funded, well oiled engine,
and we are trying to create or build another engine that will be with that engine. Okay, that engine
		
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			which is causing a lot of damage to our image to our being in the world. It is an existing
existential threat to Muslims, by the way, you know, Islamophobia is a real threat. It is actual it
is not potential. Okay to clarify, my brothers sisters, it is happening and we need to really do
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That's a request from Sapiens team in sha Allah. So have you found the way to play the video so that
people can read about it? I just need to know which one to
		
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			play. The most recent one is
		
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			my
		
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			Story
		
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			Bismillah R Rahman r Rahim
		
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			My name is Hamza I was born in 1980 brought up in these estates in London Hackney growing up, I had
wonderful loving parents, like with many people, I had key moments that changed my life. One of them
is when I embraced Islam, and the other is when I doubted it. Yes, even I had doubts. I became
Muslim here on October the fifth 2002. And there were three main reasons why I embraced Islam, one
was intellectually convinced to I was attracted to Islamic values. In three I used to perform Salah
before I became Muslim. When I became Muslim, it was such a blissful experience. However, I remember
someone responding to an email of mine regarding the linguistic miracle of the Quran, but I had no
		
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			clear response, that blissful, cloud like experience was now becoming a distant memory. As a result,
my mind almost left Islam, but my heart and soul on fire, refusing to accept nothing else, apart
from the truth of the day, this tug of war was ripping me apart, but it was not going to fill. I
remember praying to Allah in frustration, I was asking him for conviction. How do I explain the
linguistic miracle of the Quran without speaking the language.
		
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			And that's where it all started, I acquired everything I could on the topic. I spoke to students of
knowledge about expensive books, I visited libraries. And to my amazement, when I was researching at
the British Library here, I found a rare PhD entitled towards a text linguistic definition of
Quranic and imitability. I asked them for a copy, but they never got back to me. And that's when I
hit a brick wall. So I decided to call talk languages and request an expert on the Quran. When I met
my teacher for the first time, I explained my situation and that moment, he stands up, he walks
around his table, he goes to a drawer, he picks up some papers, he walks back, and he puts them in
		
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			front of me. And lo and behold, it was the PhD I was looking for, and what's even more amazing. He
was the author, Dr. Sami al helwani from Asada University. I then further develop my ideas on the
topic, and I was asked to write a chapter of the book, the history of the magnificent Quran. When I
wrote the chapter, the publisher said they had to be checked by scholars being relatively young with
not much experience in the topic. It was totally understandable. However, during that period, the
Dallas scene was quite dark. There was ego, gnostic competition, and I was thinking of the simply
quitting, I was so close to the decision, but Alhamdulillah Alhamdulillah, I received a text message
		
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			by the publishers, and they said something along the lines of the scholar said, this is one of the
best things they read in the English language. I took this as a sign to continue my journey. In
2009. I joined I era, I record visiting Chicago for a tool. And there was one brother and I don't
remember his name, ripped into me. He said, Hamza, what is this? Who are you developing? What real
impact are you having? All of this is just the show. That really got to me. It hit me hard. When I
went back to the IRA office, I broke down crying. It was then I made a commitment that I'm going to
focus on developing and empowering others. That key milestone helped me develop advanced training
		
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			for AI era, and it became the basis of my best selling book, the divine reality, God, Islam and the
mirage of atheism. And the process of writing chapters 13 and 15 completely obliterated my doubts. I
also completed my master's degree in philosophy and I continued postgraduate academic research at
the University of London. It is without a doubt, Allah planned this journey for me. I realized that
my doubts were not purely intellectual, I needed to connect and to know Allah more, I needed to
empower others. A year after my book was published, I was asked to become IRA CEO Alhamdulillah we
increased our operational growth by over 1,000% and we delivered advanced training to scholars
		
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			imaams and activists from all around the world with AI era support since July 2020. We have moved
advanced our to Sapiens Institute. In nine months we have already trained over 6000 Muslims, publish
books, written essays, produce media and video content and much more. Brothers and sisters. If this
story has inspired you, then please support us in the next phase of our journey. Let's follow the
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			So that was the story brothers and sisters, don't forget for this live at Pogo to save plus nc.org
forward slash donate live. This is where we're about. Hopefully I shared some of my story with you
in order to inspire you that, you know, it's hasn't been an easy journey. Allah has made it easy
when you look back and when you look back, you're like supine on the way Allah has connected the
dots mean Atlanta have many stories to tell many journeys to dojo, Atlanta has a plethora of
journeys to talk about and his experiences in the Tao of how Allah has elevated and and propagated
the dour and he's been using the brothers all around us Alhamdulillah. I still remember Adnan many,
		
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			many, many years ago, he disappeared. And he went to Pakistan for a few weeks. And he remember he
had a great goal. And that goal was to like learn Arabic, like he already knew some, but he wanted
to master it more. And I remember him telling me that he would fall asleep every couple of hours
because it's like a machine, isn't it? He was absorbing everything. And when he came back, can you
Arabic after a few weeks, I have never met anyone in my life has done that before Al Hamdulillah.
Allah bless him. So Allah has put you into all of these kinds of scenarios. And then he's brought us
together. And you know, what's really funny brothers is this. We had an institute about 14 years
		
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			ago.
		
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			Me or nine and doctors, manly teeth. What was the code of man? 13? Do you remember?
		
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			That? Yes. And that was basically if you think about it, I must say I'm not saying it flopped, but
we just didn't have the resources. We didn't have maybe the management skills, or we didn't have the
time or maybe we weren't ready. But I'm telling you those experience we had then it was part of the
necessary process in order for us to achieve achieving today now Alhamdulillah Is that right? Doctor
of man? Absolutely. SubhanAllah absolutely Subhanallah KFC, KFC was rejected at times. The old man
was about to commit suicide. So Paul is about to resign. And then I think once he had gone above 80,
someone accepted his recipe. And lo and behold, the KFC around I'm sure you all love it. When you go
		
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			to the buy or when you go to one of the Muslim countries.
		
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			In West London, there's a lot of halaal Cave C's. Yes, absolutely. So the point is, never say die.
Don't give up. Any experience in life is never a failure. I believe as long as it was for the right
reasons. your intentions were correct. It is your process of development. It makes you better at
what you want to do. And you are one step closer to success. And it is a never ending journey till
the grave. As far as a Muslim is concerned. We struggle till the grave. We do not leave worshipping
Allah under any circumstances, any shape in any shape or form. Mr. Muhammad was on his deathbed,
there is a narration about him. And he kept saying Not yet. Not. Not yet. And his son asked him,
		
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			What are you saying? You are dying? And you're saying not yet? Not yet. He said shaytaan is standing
in the corner, and he's biting his nails and he's saying you have escaped me. You have escaped me.
And I'm saying not yet. I'm still alive. There is still breath inside me. I haven't escaped you. I
haven't died yet. So this is a continuous struggle my brothers sisters shall being asked are in a
number of different forms. You can find them in the human form and you can find them in the jinn
form or the spiritual form the human God, there are plenty of them. And we really have to clean up
the mess they create what we call Islamophobia. Islamophobia is a real threat. It is it is not a
		
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			joke, one lie. It is not a joke. You cannot imagine how people are affected by it. globally. There
are people who are affected by that's why we need to work harder, we need more and more people to
clean that mess created by human Jyoti in humans yachting who have created this mess, Sapiens
Institute is building that engine to clean the mess, we will build that
		
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			that bond of confident guys and and sisters who will be inshallah defending Islam intellectually,
academically, globally, they will be the voices of Islam. We want this spirit to go through
Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan, Egypt, Morocco, Britain, Canada, America, South America, think big.
Think Big. We want these intellectual intellectuals to be everywhere in the world. Okay, this is how
far we want to go. We have a great vision. We are thinking big. We're not thinking small. Okay, so
we request that you stop thinking small and stop clinging to clinging to the money and get
		
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			Let it go, let it go as the month Ramadan, it will be multiplied 70 times give that donation and it
will make a huge difference to many, many people out there. Okay, how? By producing leaders who will
be giving power to 1000s of people potentially all you need is one, one person, one strong daiya one
strong call to Islam once strong defender of Islam is enough, right against 100 islamophobes let's
say right to kind of love I recently saw a video online I want to give you an example there was one
of the shakes in America us I don't want to mention his name and the name of actually I'll I'll
mention him Shake Shack Farrukh. I think his name is I don't know if you guys know him
		
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			the shake Farrukh.
		
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			He is the
		
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			man.
		
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			And he was dealing, dealing with three diehard known established islamophobes directly talking to
them, if you watch that video, it will make you laugh.
		
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			Over in the strength of Islam, how Islam makes you so confident if you know about it, if you have
knowledge of Islam, confident you can really easily deal with all of these islamophobes in one go.
Plus is the knowledge if you lack the knowledge, you can't be open to things knowledge and
confidence boys is also experienced. I remember I spoke test, you know knowledge in Medina. And he
said that he gave me a very interesting development. I don't know what you think of this concerning
experience is quite vital to basically progressing down and he gave me the example of when the
process Salam went to speak to Allah subhana wa Taala in the ascension. And then on the way back, he
		
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			spoke to Musa alayhis, salaam and mousseline some tells him No, no, no, you need to go back and
basically almost negotiate about the Salah, because Musa alayhis salaam knew his on my head
experience that they won't be able to take it. So the student of knowledge derived from that that
experience is extremely important when it comes to doubt as well.
		
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			What do you think? on that one? Good point. Yeah, for sure. So for now, I'm just remembering now, I
sat with you in muscle oxa. We went through that, in fact, that narrative of Dr. Mirage, if you
recall, in the, in the smaller, the smaller Masjid of the, of the of the of the of the buraq. In
fact AXA, we sat together we went through in fact, that narrative, and the point in fact is true,
because you know, Musa Ali Salaam had experience with Venezuela in for many, many years. And lots of
ups and downs because of what happened with them and what happened with the summary and the golden
calf and his brother how una de Salaam. This beautiful point, in fact, if I could just take it from
		
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			him. And that is this that is that when muscle is and because remember the point about confidence,
muscle Islam, in fact had what you might call an impediment because he had a list, he would speak
with the list be a bit of a stutter. And he couldn't speak too well all the time, even though it's
from the old ansem from the five great messengers of Allah subhanho wa Taala. And so when he asked
Allah Subhana Allah, when Allah says go to Alan, and he asked Allah be sure you suddenly you know,
make me confident that's like, make me full of self confidence with silly Emily and make easy for me
my task was to lock the muscle and lose the awkward and not from my tongue. Yep, go call you so
		
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			people would understand what I'm saying. He still asked Allah would you lose zero money early and
give me a supporter from my family. This is not a one time there's not a one man struggle. This is
this is a collective effort. This is involving all of us. This is the concern for the oma concerning
for Islam. And so the beautiful words that muscley sam gives to Allah is that explanation he says k
new sub B hiker kathira one as Guru kathira so we can remember you more or we can refer you more. I
mean, that's the whole purpose. Allah makes us that Korean and was so good to remember and thank
Allah subhanho wa Taala. And the fact that even though Allah gave him the miracle of the stuff, and
		
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			even though Allah made his his words, you know, easy for him to speak and Allah gave him confidence.
He still asked for assistance still ask Allah for help from his family members. I want to say one
thing as we're coming close now to our time, and that is this. You know, Allah and mighty when we
get to the end of Ramadan, we're gonna think about who were the ones who were victors in this month.
All of us are in a race. And then the Quran says we're sorry, over sabich who raised compete for
Allah's forgiveness in one verse where Allah says, compete enrich for Allah forgiveness and for
Jana, as wide as the heavens and the earth which Allah is prepared for the turkey in. The beautiful
		
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			thing is Allah then tells us who these Motoki are and Allah says they are the ones alladhina unifi
akuna pfisterer What are the first things Allah mentions about
		
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			Motoki in those were of course we were fasting because lalla committed taco and perhaps we will
attend to taqwa. And Allah describes a mother keen hair as a pupil of Gender Analysis, they were the
ones who spent in ease and in hardship, right they spend their money in ease and in hardship for
these noble causes, and we'll call them again and then their subdue their anger, they pardon the
people, and I love to do is have good, so therefore this is a great chance for all of us inshallah,
and this great night, which could be limited to the cuddle, which of course, is a night of, of the
greatest esteem. This is a night where even the angels descend upon the earth, even gibreel Islam
		
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			descends upon the other salam, there's peace until the coming of the of the dawn, they imagine the
consequences, you know, the Allah, they say that it's called elkader. Because it's in on one ways,
it's a restricted night, meaning it's the earth is so encompassed by angels, every space is
constricted, and that's why it's a night of other night of restriction, or is the night of God,
because it's a night of Fadul is a night of virtue, right? So virtuous deeds are done in this night,
including spending in the course of Allah subhanho wa Taala is the night of khuddam because it's a
night of value, it's a night of power, all of these things encapsulated in that one night that Allah
		
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			has given us. And it could be that this is a night of power night of God, not a restriction, not a
virtue in value. And so I really hope all of us will be spending inshallah in this night to support
this great cause of Sapiens. And so therefore, you know, to your point was beautiful about the fact
that, that, in fact, this is a life lesson. It's not just about the person's knowledge, it's about
his toil and struggle, and his perseverance in life, right experiences, what he's seen what is
observed, and there's so many things in fact, in my book, if you recall on being human, which is
available, free download on on sapiens, should I begin the book, in fact, with a with an experience,
		
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			I begin the book by recounting the beautiful, amazing tale of, of a man who wrote a book,
		
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			Harry Leslie Smith, his name was and and his books were Harry's last stand. And, and the whole book
was about this person's experiences in life, you're under the age of like nine to nine to one years
old, he's passed away now. But he has this moment of reflection, where he is, he says, Every day, I
go downstairs, and I make myself a cup of coffee. And I pour in the coffee, and I like kind of mixed
a coffee with milk and sugar. And is, as I hear the clanging, right, the clanging or the clinking
sound of the spoon against the cup, it takes me back to when I was like, six, seven years old, I can
envision myself standing on the streets of London, and I can hear the, the hooves of the of the
		
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			horses, you know, on this on the roads of London. And it's a simple recognition. And of course, his
whole book is about this experiential journey of, you know, of what is experienced in life. So I
think that through experiences, you know, you learn to panela so much and, of course, the, you know,
the point is true that for all of us, you know, as we progress in Shell and life, there's going to
be ups and downs. Chicanos mentioned the point before about things that we had seen of course in
heftiness, to do and other things. Allah in the Quran, he says, will tell kill a yam nuda will you
have in the nasties, our days we also between the people, right? These days, we also and this was
		
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			revealed in a battle or had in Ohio, of course, there was great success, but there was also some
setbacks as well. Right? But Allah says that that's purposeful, right? Sometimes you learn from your
experiences, you learn from your setbacks, and align occurrences. The purpose behind this is the
Kayla. So LMS saticon, wallet, offer hobbema calm, so you do not lose hope, in what you've missed,
an audio exalt, and what you've gained, therefore, you know, your remaining human is still called
being human, you remain
		
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			in the middle, in balance. And so we ask Allah, this place at night, that Allah Allah increases us
inshallah, in our work, Allah increases the enthusiasm of spending in the cause of Allah and makes
us a night of great Baraka for all of us. I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I wanted to add as well on
the experience thing, because what you find is many people,
		
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			when they start getting involved in dour, the first thing they do is just jump straight into the
deep end, they think, you know, what I'll do is I'll just, I'll go out there, and I'll just start
picking fights with some of the biggest apologists that you find on the internet. And this is often
it's very equivalent to that lad who's like, I want to learn how to fight mixed martial arts. And so
then he's like picking fights of the heavyweights, you know, the people who've been training for
1020 years, and you've got these little skinny Whippets
		
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			coming up and you know, they've not got any training, they've not got any experience, and then they
get bad. And then they equate this being battered with
		
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			the falsity of their position rather than they're just not have being
		
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			prepared, not having the they're not properly equipped. In
		
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			In order to deal with those kinds of conversations, and they get confused, they don't understand
that this loss isn't a loss for the religion of Islam. This isn't a loss for a loss of hundreds all
over. But it's, it's a loss on the the person who's gone into something way out of their league, and
without the proper preparation involved in having to sort of being able to equip yourself. And this
is exactly what Sapiens Institute is hoping to do. It's hoping to equip people in order to be able
to prepare themselves and to go out into the world and to do thou art in an effective manner, which
doesn't lead to them getting battered, as per the example that I gave. So
		
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			yes, sure. was one you want to say something? No, I was just saying, exactly. I thank you for your,
for your where do you serve, I was just reminding that, you know, I want to say that this is a
blessing on the part of the last few of us on this column. And this is an almost full of talent,
chicken, I remember that we were together in Pakistan. And I remember that, you know, we went from
university to University, University, University and different localities in Pakistan. And I and I
remember that we were so super impressed by the the talent in the oma, the talent of the Muslims. I
mean, the knowledge, the skills, the resources, the, the, the one the one, the yearning, you know,
		
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			to to serve the cause of Allah subhanho wa Taala. And that's that's impact. We saw amazing talent in
the city of shower. I remember that very clearly in Lahore and Karachi. And all of these things this
is throughout the world, there is such I was contacted on Sapiens just the other day by a brother
who said I want to be a voluntary research assistant, you know, for you and for and for, for the
team. And this is one but and there's so many emails, we're getting like these, because the
enthusiasm is really there. And so so Panda, we want this to grow, we wanted the project to grow,
inshallah, we want this, this cause for serving the deen of Allah subhanho wa Taala to grow in sha
		
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			Allah. And we want of course that these objections that people raise and like you mentioned, the
industry of Islamophobia is a very big one, the industry of missionary work of Christians who
really, who make these, I would say really ignorant points about the ill informed points about
Islam. This has to be of course checked has to be corrected. Why? Because if you find a young
person, a young Muslim, just about to start University, he's coming to freshers week, right, he sees
the stalls of the Christians and everything else. And he picks up, picks up a leaflet or something
and is speaking about the Quran in a way that that the Quran is not representing the message of the
		
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			Quran or the Salah more about anything else. It can easily confuse that person if that person is not
equipped for our work is what equipping the Muslims, for providing the literature, the essays that
the discourses, the debates, the literature, the books, that will equip the Muslims of how to deal
with these kinds of tangents, these kinds of doubts. And therefore that's, that's my children, your
children, all of us are in the same boat. And I would remind you also, the prophet said, cool. Look,
Mara, and all of you are shepherds. Every one of us is a shepherd. And every one that promises is
responsible for his flock. Every one of us is responsible as shepherds we have guardians where we
		
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			are where we're fathers or uncle's right, or where we even grandfathers, I mean, all of us have
responsibilities towards towards our children and young people that we can equip them, and the
protocol and the promises, everyone is responsible for his flock and the man is responsible to Mr.
Mitch sponsible. The woman is a shepherd as for her children, but part of that being a shepherd, all
the prophets, in fact, were told to be shepherds. In fact, we're worship. And that's experience,
because they knew how to of course, herd the sheep, how to lead communities of animals before they
lead communities of human beings that experience right. And so we have to therefore have that same
		
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			kind of, of intention, same kind of attitude, that we want to be the shepherds of the community. And
that means, of course, to lead to leadership, with wisdom, with knowledge and with mercy. And Mercy
is paramount, profound, in fact, in our, in our call of Islam, to be merciful, to be compassionate,
to be understanding to be, you know, forbearing, Islam was most forbearing of all people, right? I
mean, he was forbearing against all of the discrimination and the attacks and characterization from
the Misha Keane and that really is a message of Islam tuna to really uphold the message of Islam,
with wisdom with knowledge, and with a great sense of mercy also,
		
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			like a loved one. Thank you so much, brother sisters. Again, to remind you, we really need to raise
at least 20,000 pounds tonight for this train for this engine to be built. Okay, and donations are
coming and hamdulillah there are many beautiful generous brothers and sisters who are making
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			waiting.
		
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			Yes, please do. Okay. Bismillah salaamu Alaikum wa rahmatullah Tamia does it dominate
		
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			your life brother? You need to unmute your mic.
		
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			Damn lot. Damn lot.
		
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			But I want to ask
		
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			that question is that we don't need
		
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			you don't need to answer them.
		
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			Okay, then we will bring someone else on no problem. Anyone else?
		
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			Yes, few people. Let's have a look
		
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			at Mohammed.
		
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			Mohammed
		
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			salam, Aleikum Wiley
		
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			I'm from law background. I have a question. There is a debate called heartful a debate. It's on law
and morality. So my question is how does Islam deals with it? Well, law and morality there, once is
that law, is enough analysis, the morality and is enough to how does Islam deals with it?
		
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			So, morality, I think that question about law and morality will come first. Okay. Is it like chicken
and egg kind of situation by the use of? Well, yeah, so it depends on what you mean. So you've got
manmade laws, and which usually are just made through trial and error, you've got something that
happens, and people have an uproar about it, and then they'll try to write it down and say, right,
let's not do that anymore. Now, there's a distinction between that and say, the Sharia,
		
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			which is divinely given is, you know, it's the law of Allah subhanaw taala. And, and with with
regards to the Islamic paradigm, I guess, you could say that this, this sort of an equation between
the two they they're seen as identical, but Allah subhanaw taala gives us a law, and that this law
is outlining what is moral and what is immoral. There isn't a distinction. Now, obviously, the issue
here is with regards to say manmade systems of law, they are fallible, why because man is fallible,
and the last part of Allah isn't. And so his law wouldn't be. And the difficulty then is to say, for
example, if something pops up,
		
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			that hasn't been made illegal yet. So there's a really, really, really good example, this actually
might apply within
		
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			Islamic paradigm is also there was this chemical that they made, it was called spice. And basically,
it was somewhere in China, they took marijuana, and they played about with the the chemical
compound, and they made something new.
		
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			And technically, it wasn't marijuana, it was something different. And so it didn't fall under the
same law because the compound wasn't identical. And they used to sell it in news agents and corner
shops. And it was really cheap. And what you ended up finding is that a lot of homeless people were
buying it, and smoking it. And the the way they got around selling it is they just put a little sign
on the package saying not for human consumption, but it was literally for nothing else. It served no
purpose. It was just something that people bought and smoked. That was its only use.
		
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			And there was a question that you would ask the people in the shop, why are you selling this? This
is this is a horrible thing it was, you know, people were dying from it. People were losing their
mind from it. And you didn't have to take that much to be affected from it in a very negative way.
		
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			And people would say, well,
		
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			it's not illegal. It's not illegal, Why can I not sell it? If it's not illegal, it's fine, you know,
I'm not doing anything wrong. And in here, what they were kind of saying is that law in and of
itself, as applied in a, in a country, is what determines what is moral and immoral. And insofar as
this substance wasn't made illegal, they equated that was saying it was fine. And this is a new
thing. This is something that, you know, doesn't really have a history prior to its creation. And
so, you know, if you try to apply this, for example, the Islamic paradigm, you know, the big prior
to its creation, we as a nomad weren't aware of it, and maybe we were ignorant of its consequences
		
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			and things like that, how do we apply that, obviously, that it's not specifically made illegal to
sell it? And, you know, they even put these little symbols on saying not for human consumption. But
does that mean islamically? That it's fine. Does it mean that we're not doing anything wrong, if
we're selling this thing, especially if we know that it doesn't have any other function, and it's
causing great harm to say, for example, that the homeless population, although those living in had
		
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			backgrounds, where they, you know, they're struggling with difficulties, and they use this as a sort
of form of escapism? Now, you know, with regards to morality here, we would say it doesn't matter if
it's not yet been made illegal, it's still wrong, because there's other principles we can play here.
		
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			And these principles are vague enough so that they can be transferable across different situations.
For example, the the harm principle in to a certain degree, that things that cause damage to life,
and that
		
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			can cause death and the ending of life because life itself is sacred. These things are considered
and permissible. And this has obviously a wider function of making anything that's a drug or used as
a drug, impermissible, and so from this principle, it doesn't matter if it's not been made illegal
yet. If you're taking this substance and you know that it's going to for example, it's an
intoxicant.
		
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			Write it off straightaway whether or not it's been made illegal in law to consume that is illegal
straightaway according to the Islamic principle. And then obviously, if it's causing death that
makes it even more impermissible. And so just because this substance is new, and it hasn't been
implemented into law, it doesn't matter. We've got something here that's much more practical. And we
can apply and we say, No, we don't deal with that. Why it's an intoxicant why it's causing deaths. I
don't care if the legal system hasn't caught up with it yet.
		
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			And there's another thing to add, though, I think he's making a distinction between Do we need just
law or just morals. And the thing is, Union Islamic paradigm, you have things that are Hello,
illegal, and a haraam.
		
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			Excuse me, but there are recommended things to do. So for, for example, there is Hadith where the
Prophet Salaam he was dealing with the law of retaliation, and he was recommending the person to, to
forgive them. But he said he was adamant in actually retaliating. The prophets are loving it, and
responded by saying, You are just like them. So he could do it. It wasn't illegal islamically. It
wasn't necessarily immoral. But there are also higher values that are also recommended in the
tradition as well.
		
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			And if you don't follow those higher values, it doesn't necessarily mean that you're doing something
wrong. But it's recommended to actually do them, if that makes sense. So sometimes what is permitted
and not was allowed or not allowed? is yes. In the Islamic tradition is what we would define as our
morals. But there are things that are recommended, which would, which we would say, is of a higher
moral value, but not doing it doesn't mean you're immoral, if that makes sense. Does that make
sense? Joseph? Yeah. Mohammed.
		
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			How about you do?
		
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			There's another question? To Hamza. Hamza, sir. My question is, I got to see many normal people,
they don't get the morals. They say the law is enough. Read, we do it immorally. That's not bad.
They say that lawyers and of the law is not bounding me to anything that I ever going to, if I if I
do.
		
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			Enough, for what though? What do they mean enough for what? For them? And the example I gave was a
defeater for that.
		
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			It's not how to money. I mean, how to convince them the morals are the base. How do you convince
them, for example, at the spice, that there's a there's a documentary by Vice, and they did this on
the spice problem in Manchester, which is where I'm from. So it was a really, really, really big
problem.
		
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			And that wasn't illegal. But there was there was a lot of people dying, there was a lot of people
suffering because of this thing. And if you say the law is enough, for me, what you're saying is, is
that these deaths, and that the shopkeeper selling this substance didn't do anything wrong, they did
use of what they would say is they will say, when they when they have that new reality, then they'll
change the law. So what they're saying is once it becomes the law, it's enough. Does that make
sense? Yeah. But then what you're saying is, is that insofar as there was that period, where it
wasn't a law, that it wasn't a problem, but that's not true, it was a problem. And that's what
		
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			motivated putting it into law in the first place. There has to have been something prior to the law
that motivated the law. And that means the law is dependent upon something other than the law. Yes,
in order for these things to come in. I was going to mention this earlier, which was about law is
contingent on certain values. So if you look at legal theory, and the philosophy of law is
contingent on certain values, when would I be those are moral values? One of them actually, is
liberty. Right? So you have to have values in order to have law. It's not one or the other. And
having use have now made the point even clear enough for me to understand, I think, was brilliant
		
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			point, which is, well, you have scenarios where you need to upgrade the law. What motivates you in
upgrading the law? If you'd be more, alright, because you you assess the harm principle, this new
drug affected people so bad, we're so upset by it. We don't want people to be harmed. You know, we
think life is sacred. So therefore, you just upgrade the law. But the very fact that upgraded the
law was based upon a moral motivation. Yep. Correct. Yeah. Otherwise, if the law was enough, the law
would be able to sort of sustain itself without us having to do anything, there would be principles
within the law that would give rise yes to new laws, like instantly, without, but that's not what
		
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			happens. The law as a separate body without human interaction and human values.
		
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			Using human motivation doesn't produce new laws in and of itself with new circumstances that arise
out of this crazy changing world that we're living in very good point. It requires human
intervention, it requires human value and human motivation to begin to implement these, which
suggests and presupposes that the law isn't enough in and of itself, and that that, to me is enough
to sort of deal with it.
		
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			Yeah, thank you. I got it. And the question comes from me from the idea
		
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			that if a man steals some money to feed them 30 burpees How would Islam
		
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			amplify the law in this section, if someone is still to feed some poor people, they are hungry, he
must take them a day but he steals the money
		
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			how Islam law replacing
		
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			so there's a number of things here with this particular example as well but
		
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			the law if someone is doing it out of necessity that is need that you know, their life is in danger
and they don't do that.
		
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			idea. I have a quick idea Brother Mohammed Mundo says there is a book titled the Sharia law by while
b haluk. It has been published by the Cambridge University Press Cambridge scholar as he has done an
excellent job on the Sharia law. So you can see that book and read the relevant section on different
penalties within the Sharia law and how it works and what is the philosophy behind it you'll get a
lot of these answers are these questions cleared inshallah. Okay, instead of us giving
		
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			answers for each and every single Sharia penalty or the wisdom behind it, just go and read that
book, while we HELOC. Cambridge University Press. The book is titled the Sharia law. I hope that
helps you.
		
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			Thank you, welcome waalaikumsalam for law, so brothers, sisters, Sapiens institute.org. forward
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			training the art who will be able to give our who will be able to defend Islam intellectually and
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producing scholars or intellectuals who will be able to defend Islam effectively, intellectually on
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So we need experts in almost every single field. We need experts in philosophy and theology, experts
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			have a solid bunch of guys and forage for a bunch of brothers and sisters who can effectively defend
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months since already since our inception? That's the question, what have we achieved in the last
nine months, we have trained 6000 Muslims in how to defend Islam intellectually, and how to give our
academically 6000 people in the last nine months I've been trained, we have developed and delivered
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delivered advanced training to the Blue Mosque outreach team. With access to 44 million visitors
		
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			every year, published three books we have researched and published 13 essays and articles launched
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And we have published various translations of our works in Turkish and Spanish and ooredoo in
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divine reality has been translated in multiple languages. And the book is available free of charge
on Sapiens website, Dr. Oz man's book is there on Sapiens website check Am I right in saying that
the book is there on Sapiens website free of charge right.
		
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			It is available. So
		
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			when you remember of course, this book was written on
		
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			Right after the massacre in Christchurch, this book was originally a response, in fact, to the
Christchurch massacre. It was launched in Christ Church on the first anniversary of the Christchurch
massacre and the two masajid. And in fact, it was the book launch, in fact was there in
Christchurch. And the book in fact, you know, addresses a lot of these contentions a lot of the kind
of put the whole perspective on what othering is, from an Islamic perspective in a very intelligent
in a very in a very good line. And then, of course, understanding what is dehumanization looking at
historical accounts of inundation affecting the Jewish people, black African people, for example,
		
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			the Vietnamese Muslims, Arabs. And then of course, the book ends with a very lengthy, elaborate
section on empathy, understanding what is what is prophetic empathy. And many people in fact, I
think, are not very familiar with with this discourse of empathy from an Islamic perspective. And so
the book is available free for anyone to read and download on the Sapiens your website, so I
recommend everyone in Sharla to to read that. Please don't forget to mention the title of the book.
The book is entitled on being human how Islam addresses othering, demonization empathy. I also have
a new book which is inshallah published on July the 11th by Springer entitled, navigating war
		
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			descent and empathy in Arab us relations, seeing our others in darkened spaces and that's inshallah
that's forthcoming. On being human is the book authored by Dr. Umar Latif. It is available on
Sapiens Institute, there is the link there on the screen in front of you. Please download the book
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done a book on atheism, the divine reality Islam, atheism and the mirage of Islam.
		
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			So he was the title, the subtitle, Islam, atheism and the Mirage the word God, Islam and the mirage
of atheism. God, God, Islam and the mirage of atheism, right. And hedge hijaab has done a book as
well. Actually, he's done few booklets right? And Alhamdulillah This is the kind of work we are
doing brothers sisters, this book, authored by Dr. Oz man was launched on the first anniversary
anniversary of the Christchurch attack, which was a result of Islamophobia. This is the kind of evil
we're dealing with here we have a nutter who walked into a Masjid and he gunned down over 50
innocent Muslims. And Dr. Oz man's book was launched in New Zealand, at Christchurch, in the masjid,
		
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			on the first anniversary to show people what being human is how other arising or other ideation can
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inshallah whether in our lifetime though, it may happen after us after but we will start the process
of defending Islam intellectually and that's what building the engine is about. This engine needs to
run for long. Okay, this engine controlled and administered by intellectuals confident Muslim young
men who are educated, knowledgeable, compassionate, mercy will beautiful right off with all the
great qualities. They will be the future representatives of Islam, they will be defending Islam as
		
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			it should be intellectually, academically with education and confidence. This is what we are
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Someone We need someone to come forward and say okay, I will donate 1000 pounds or 2000 pounds. If
someone matches it and watch what happens. What What up, we will see someone matching it inshallah.
I just want that first person to start the process inshallah.
		
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			Yes, well, let's get someone on board, because we will not see so today's theme is about showing you
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			waste your time.
		
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			Listen to this live stream, give us your donation, continue with your email, ask some questions,
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So
		
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			let's bring on Born on board rather, Hussain Ali No.
		
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			Salaam Alaikum
		
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			I'm big fan man, I'll be fat.
		
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			had a question. So my question is, can Allah Zoo test you without?
		
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			That's a very good question.
		
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			I love to test you.
		
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			Bro. See what you mean by doubt, Allah can test you with with anything. The whole point is that life
is a test in itself. And everything in life can be a test. But we want to make sure that we pass the
test. So the question should we be is, how am I going to react to these tests? Now when Allah tests
you with a doubt, does he want bad for you know, we know as per the Quranic discourse, that Allah
subhanho wa Taala doesn't prefer disbelief for his service, Allah prefers belief. This is what the
Mufasa serene what the classical scholar said about this verse. So Allah subhanho wa Taala wants
people to believe he doesn't prefer disbelief. So when Allah is testing you with a doubt, it's not
		
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			as if Allah is saying that you now should just, you know, he, Allah was bad for you now, we need to
find out how we're going to react if we react in the right way, in dealing with doubts in the most
appropriate way. And we and we've got a course on this could no doubt, attend effective strategies
on how to do your doubts and other people's doubts and we're professionally filming, it is going to
be available for everybody for free. The 10 main strategies on how to deal with, with with with with
doubts include,
		
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			for example,
		
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			number one, which is very important that you need to be aware that these doubts exists, you have to
be able to make a distinction between a West wasa a spiritual kind of whispering shape and
whispering a valid question in a ship her shoe bohart plural. And that's one strategy. It's actually
a very effective strategy to be able to make a distinction between a doubt a question, and he was
wasa now was was, there is a strategy and how to deal with this because we know the Sahaba would
have things in their mind. And they were very upset about it. And they came to the process. And the
person said, Is this true? And is this how you you react to these things because they would rather
		
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			be thrown off cliffs or something, rather than to even utter these words. And the person said, this
is a sign of Iman, as long as you don't talk about it, as long as you don't act upon it. And as long
as you seek refuge in Allah subhanaw taala so that's a wasp verse or you just ignore them. And if
you have a psychological aversion to them, you know they're not true. You don't like them, and you
don't speak about them. You don't act upon them. This is a sign of eemaan just seek refuge in Allah.
That's what's fossa. Then you have a shubha Okay, or Shu heart plural, relates with the word touche
be who because to speak, who is something that resembles something that it's not a sharp ha
		
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			resembles the truth, but it's not the truth. Okay, as even Timmy has said that chable heart had been
taken seriously by some people, because it resembles the truth, but it's not the truth. It's like a
wolf in sheep's clothing. And you need to understand what is the nature of a ship hat? What are the
nature of shubo heart, two main things you need to understand. Number one, a sharp heart wants to
undermine the foundations of Islam, the Islamic arcada. Number two, it wants to distort the religion
of Islam. If that's what's happening, then that's the Sherpa, okay? And if it's happening to the
degree where you're starting to be suffer from it, and starting to maybe think it's a bit true, or
		
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			fall into some kind of destructive doubt, then that is a Sherpa and he needs to be addressed. How do
you address it? There are so many different ways of addressing it, my dear brother, but you have to
attend this course. But I'm going to try and summarize for you. The first thing you need to do is
firstly, don't give it any attention. That's the initial strategy. Don't give it attention. Because
it depends because the sheer power could be on top of the heart. It could be right inside the heart.
It depends. If it's just lurking around the heart, ignore it. That may work if it doesn't work. Then
what you could do you could follow other strategies for example, your environment, have good friends
		
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			around you have good students of knowledge have a good environment. Have
		
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			Good social environment. The other strategy is seek knowledge. This is one of the key strategies.
When you're on the path of aim is going to destroy doubts. It's going to annihilate doubts.
		
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			And there are so many more different strategies.
		
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			For example, another strategy could be fixing your spiritual heart because these things are hottie
matter. Now, you know the person who said that, you know,
		
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			that not just the person son, but the Quran and the Sunnah, they talk about the Kalam and the uncle,
the uncle is the intellect and the culture is the heart, the spiritual heart, and, and the alcohol
is a function of the heart is actually a function of the heart. So we need to be willing to take
care of the heart and make sure it functions properly, right. Because if our hearts our heart, and
we maybe we don't too many sins or we're not close to Allah, then we're more susceptible to sugar to
the Shu heart. So we have to protect our excuse me, we have to protect our heart by doing Vicar of
Allah subhanho wa Taala by doing lessons by doing Toba by doing Easter far, by doing by pondering
		
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			over the Quran, ensuring that you do your foreign aid, you pray five times a day, so many people who
suffer from doubts. Some of them they don't even pray, and I'm like, well report you. So you need to
protect yourself.
		
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			So there are other strategies, but these are some things as to help you.
		
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			So just remind me what the original question was. I think I've answered it, but what was the real
question brother?
		
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			It was like you tell me a lot. xuejun attest to that. Yeah.
		
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			Yeah. So is that satisfactory? Brother?
		
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			Yeah, good term to the so if we if we suffer from any doubts, we need to firstly make a distinction.
Actually. One more question somewhere. One, one second, have you? What we need to do is when we do
suffer from doubts, we need to make a distinction between a wasp facade a valid question and doubts.
And if we do have doubts, we have to adopt certain strategies, some of the ones that I mentioned, in
order for us to basically react in the proper way in order for us to, to be alleviated from these
doubts and to dismantle these doubts. But we're publishing our professional film course on Shu
heart. It's going to be available after Ramadan on our learning platform for free brothers and
		
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			sisters. That's why you should support this great work of CPS Institute, go to Sapiens Institute.
org forward slash Donate Life. Yes, continue brother. So somebody came up to me and asked me how,
you know the origin is from Allah azza wa jal, and I actually did not have an answer to that. You
have as you absolutely. So I'm going to summarize the reasons I'm going to give you some books to
read. Okay. So reasonable one, if anyone with a sincere heart reads the book of Allah subhana wa
tada and has pondered over the Quran, they're gonna know it's from Allah. Honestly, I know this
sounds really simple, but that's actually the basic truth. reasonable to the Quran is inimitable,
		
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			the jazz of the Quran, it is inimitable, meaning that the Quran cannot be matched with regards to
its stylistic nature, its literary form, its linguistic and literary nature, it cannot have come
from an Arab, it cannot have come from a non Arab, it cannot have come from the Prophet sallallahu
alayhi wa sallam, therefore, it can only have come from Allah subhanho wa Taala. So that's the
second point. The third point which is very similar, the Quran has amazing coherence, meaning
coherence, and this coherence can only be explained by someone who knew the future. In other words,
a lot. What do I mean by this, the Quran was revealed over a specific period of time over 23 years,
		
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			and many of these verses were addressing specific instances throughout that 23 year period. Yet the
Quran was compiled together to form a coherent piece is linguistically coherent, its semantic,
semantically coherent, is thematically coherent. And it's it's coherent, in a in a structural way,
as well. In many aspects of the crown, there is a thing called ring composition, that and and for
that to occur, even though those verses were revealed over 23 year period, for specific times and
places.
		
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			And yet it has this composition and composition, this coherence and structure can only mean that the
author knew the future. Point number four, the teachings and the values of Islam. And I echo what
you've been tinea said if we see someone walking on water, and they preach other than tell him that
we will reject them. The greatest miracle is the coherence, the rationality, the intuitive,
		
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			the fact that it's intuitive, and it's aligned with our spiritual disposition. I'm talking about
telehealth here, the fact that the teachings of Islam how it talks about the concept of God, that He
is one He's worthy of worship, he wants to be loved, obeyed and known, and that we must direct all
acts of worship to him alone. This right this understanding of Tao heed this understood
understanding of Allah subhana wa
		
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			alum if you reflected His names and attributes, that itself is one of the greatest as a phenomenon,
phenomenon, phenomenon of the Quran. And you know, I'm echoing what you've been, Timmy said
basically, if someone was walking on water or showing us miracles, but they taught us other than
tallied, we will reject them because now he is stronger than all of these miracles.
		
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			Point number five,
		
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			the Quran is multi layered and multi leveled, it is a timeless book will lie he This is one of the
most powerful understandings of the Quran, the powerful kind of features of the Quran, the Quran,
when he talks about natural phenomenon,
		
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			it does so in a particular linguistic style or linguistic structure. What I mean by that, well, the
crown will use certain words to describe natural phenomena that can make sense to the seventh
century Arab and make sense to the 21st century human being, and make sense to the 15th century
human being. And what's fascinating is that the language is not only reflective of the seventh
century, because the words that are used to describe natural phenomena have different layers of
meaning. And those layers of meaning within the classical interpretation, those layers of meaning
makes sense makes sense to different people across time. And it can make sense in a different way,
		
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			because of the layers of meaning. And this is phenomenal. This is phenomenal. Because think about
it. If the Quran was only a product of the seventh century, it wouldn't be meaningful trust across
time, and he wouldn't be structured in a way that can address the seventh century mindset. And also
address address more advanced or different understandings. And this shows that the Quran is multi
layered and multi leveled, which shows that the author is timeless is not time bound. So there are
five reasons there are many, many more reasons, by the way, but those are five basic reasons. To
summarize some of that, go to one reason.org, you could download the book, the eternal challenge, I
		
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			reviewed this book, myself.
		
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			Actually, I was the one who mandated I was a creator, right from what I remember. And it's a
phenomenal book, any, any, any, just elaborates a little bit more on the stuff that I've just
mentioned, you could come back to us if you're more academic references, because this is a basic
book, but it's enough. But if you want even more references, you can come back to us, or you can go
to the Sapiens Institute website, because we're going to be producing essays and articles on these
topics and extra factors, one sem I'm about to release, which is on the multi layered multi level
model, that showing that the crown is actually timeless. So those are five reasons habibie. And this
		
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			is what we teach with, we're actually going to develop a course on this, we've already developed it,
and it's going to come out on our free learning platform after Ramadan in sha Allah. This is why you
should support us Sapiens Institute org, forward slash Donate Life, brothers and sisters, donate
now, the brother asked, How do I know the Quran is from Allah? We gave him five reasons. There's
more than five reasons we summarizing, we gave him a reference book, and we have a course coming out
and more academic essays on this topic. So
		
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			from this perspective, and by the way, if you want to show that the Quran is a linguistic miracle,
to someone who doesn't know anything about the Arabic language, then you can go to my book, Chapter
13. Chapter 13, is could God's testimony and it uses inference to the best explanation and it uses
the epistemology of testimony to highlight that the Quran could not have come from anyone apart from
Allah subhanaw taala. And it focused on the literary history of the argument of the Quran in surah
baqarah verse 23 were in Clinton very remember there's an earlier up dinner and he continues, and
and it goes through that history and it shows using inference to the best explanation using the
		
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			epistemology of testimony that you cannot deny the fact that this hasn't must have come from
		
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			God, because it couldn't have come from a man it could have come from an Arab or non Arab, it
couldn't have come from the process salon. It must have come from Allah subhanho wa Taala and even
address other contenders like maybe it was another being like a devil, whatever the case may be. So
that's in chapter 13 of the book that you could download in you can download from the Sapiens
Institute website inshallah. Okay.
		
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			Thank you so much about Hamza May Allah bless you, may Allah reward you for that explanation for the
sisters. Why are we here tonight? What are we doing on the 23rd Night of the month of Ramadan, which
may well be Laila to the brother? Why are we sitting here on the screen? myself was thought Hamza
Yusuf and Dr. Oz, man Latif, and Marshall all of you. As far as I'm concerned, we are in a form of
worship. This is if it is legal, other than this is our likeness. Let's use the wrong word.
Actually, I won't use it. You know, I was going to use the word jackpot, but I'm not going to use
it. This if this is the Laila to cover, then we have done it. Okay. We have made it as they say,
		
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			right, because that was
		
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			We would have done it for nearly or over 1000 months. Allah says in the Quran hi Roman alpha Shahar.
It is better than 1000 months. So make donations. Let Allah see how generous we are when it comes to
supporting our brothers who are involved in defending the intellectual boundaries of Islam can we
let our brothers down who are giving their day and night? They are studying hard. They are reading
books, they are writing books, they are publishing articles, what drives them? What do you think
drives them brothers and sisters, it is their desire. It is the love for Islam, it is the desire to
defend Islam, which is the most attacked faith in the world. Islam is the most attacked faith in the
		
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			world. It is being attacked on daily basis. If I was to, to to go through the statistics, you will
be shocked you will be blown away that every single day the amount of articles are coming up online,
those who really want to tarnish Islam and those who really want Islam to be on the backfoot. They
are working day and night. They're not resting. their motivation clearly comes from shaitan. Right?
They're not resting, they don't rest. Do we have any institutions that are giving solutions that are
producing men and women who can do?
		
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			Who can do responses who can give an antidote to these problems spread by human shouting these
islamophobes some of them are outright killers, they are murderers, they will go and murder. Others
will hate within. They will keep their hate within others will publish articles, some one, some will
make videos, others will spew hatred, you know in public, some will do it secretly. There are too
many islamophobes in the world today. Unfortunately, a lot of them are misguided. They simply don't
know why they islamophobe. So they have hatred. they genuinely think that Islam is evil, or some of
them are evil themselves because they know Islam is not evil. It's a great faith is a great
		
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			civilization, and they just want to tarnish it for political reasons, or any other motive. Our job
is to defend Islam and its intellectual boundaries. The attacks are becoming sophisticated by the
day. So we need your support brothers and sisters, look at articles, look at our webinars or
seminars or books. They are in response to Islamophobia. We want to produce all confident bunch of
brothers and sisters who can stand up for Islam intellectually academically, this is exactly what
we're doing. So we we are talking about building the engine and this engine cannot run without fuel,
the fuel comes from you. We are appealing to you for support. So inshallah come forward Sapiens
		
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			institute.org. forward slash donate live is the link, you can see the link on the screen there it is
rolling nonstop. Okay, follow the link and start making donations and do not hesitate. It's the 23rd
Night of the month of Ramadan. And if you make a donation, let me guarantee you, it will go towards
producing leaders for this oma who will be leading this oma intellectually and academically, they
will defend Islam.
		
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			Regardless, they will defend Islam. So your award is multiplied. If these people end up bringing a
lot of people to Islam, because they are eloquent because they're confident because they're educated
and you put in something for them. In this institution, you have a share in the good deeds. Even if
you made a donation of a pound, or let's say 10 pounds or 1000 pounds, you will have a share in the
good deeds, because the Prophet said anyone who facilitates a good deed, he has a reward in that
deed. Anyone who comes to guidance through the efforts or through the donations, they are very
rewarding it. So this is our merciful Allah is for brothers sisters, don't hesitate. Let's take some
		
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			more questions for the use of what do you think? Yeah, I just wanted to give a bit of context to
what you were saying before about this industry that's really trying to paint Islam in a in a
negative light. So I already mentioned a little bit in a previous stream as well. But there's a bit
more information. So for example, during the years 2005 to 2012,
		
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			there was 59 articles, in total written on the subject of murder and the murder of women and
domestic violence. So 59 articles written between a period of seven years from 2005 to 2012. And one
Muslim man
		
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			the shafia family murders that happened in 2009 June 30. One Muslim man commits a murder a murders
all of his family and 66 articles were written about that one attack compared to the 59 articles
that were written. Separate from that over a period of seven years. Now that doesn't scream
		
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			special focus, I don't know what does. And then on top of that, there's the the other examples of
the fact that, you know, when, whenever Muslims are sort of being talked about on the internet, only
3% of the time, are they representing themselves 3% of the time, the rest of the time, they've
represented on the media more by Donald Trump, than they are by Muslims themselves as one person
representative talking more about, you know, the,
		
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			the identity of 1.8
		
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			billion people, if not more now, around the planet, so 21% of the media coverage? is Donald Trump
mentioning Muslims.
		
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			And then 68% is other or journalists sorry, and then 8% is other and that 3%. That's not just like,
you know, the the Orthodox Muslim, that's not just the Sunni. And that could be, for example, the
Atma de people who, you know, more on the liberal side, where they they hold beliefs that put them
outside the force of Islam, that that 3% is basically just people who identify as Muslim, not
necessarily as people that would be understood, according to Amazon and Walmart, that, you know, the
people who do follow the deen of Allah subhanaw taala. And, you know, think about that. That's,
that's incredibly
		
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			annoying to think. And so there was another stat here. So there was, so there's an article written
on this specifically, and it was in a journal called justice quarterly, volume 36. Issue six. And
the the title of the journal article was, Why do some terrorist attacks receive more media attention
than others, and the journal was called forthcoming injustice quarterly. And the stats that came out
from this, shocking so Muslims perpetrated 12.5% of the 136 terrorist attacks, yet received 50.4% of
all media coverage. So that, you know, when you're looking at the, the sheer amount of media
coverage is absolutely disproportionate, it doesn't, it is hard to make any sense of it. And and on
		
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			top of that, so you have, for example,
		
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			the Boston Marathon bombings, the perpetrators, there were identified as Muslim, they got 13.4%
coverage. The the Fort Hood, shooting, the perpetrator was said to be one cent, they got 11.9%
coverage. And then you compare this to, for example, the attacks by white people. So as a man who
attacked Sikhs, and he received 2.6% of the coverage, there was another attack perpetrated by a
white male against it, he attacked African Americans at a church. And he received 5.1% of the media
coverage. There was another man who attacked Jews and the the perpetrator was a white man. And he
received 2.2% of the media coverage. So what there is a constant pattern here, whenever there's
		
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			Muslims perpetrating a crime, they receive exponentially much more
		
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			notice in the news, and the and this is so much the case that this has been noticed within academia
itself, they're writing articles on this over representation of the Muslim community in the news.
And then on top of that, you look at the the amount of money being pumped into
		
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			the apologists that you see on the internet, thank you very much. Which basically, their whole
identity revolves around trying to destroy Islam. And you take a look at their Patreon accounts, you
take a look at the the amount that they're being funded, and it's in, it's in the 10s of 1000s per
month, just for one particular character. And you think about, you know, what, what can anyone do
with that amount of money, this isn't even during the month of Ramadan, this, they don't have
anything like that this is constantly every month, one person is receiving 10,000 pounds or $10,000
per month. And with that, what can you do with it, you can do a lot, he can fund a lot, he can, you
		
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			know, pay for advertising, he can pay for someone to edit his videos, he can pay for someone to do
research for him, he can pay, you know, countless people to do all of this work. He's offloading it,
he's giving other people jobs. And with that, their whole identity revolves around trying to destroy
Islam. So panela and we need to be able to counter that there needs to be a counter force and this
notion or that, you know, it should be free, it should be free. Dawa is free, that all the
information is free to which
		
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			to find you can go to Sapiens institute.org anything that has been produced by Sapiens Institute,
you will find there, you can go to the JPS instance YouTube channel, you will find it there as well.
These books are being made, these articles have been written these are available to everyone. But
all of this requires time, effort, the amount of research that it takes to write one article, I
think a lot of people because most of the research for a particular article is very it's you know,
behind the scenes, you know, how long
		
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			Take some read one book, how long it takes to write, say, 10,000 words how much headache, you've got
to get how much walking around a park trying to process the information that you've been reading for
the past 10 weeks. All of this is sweat and effort. And if this isn't being funded, if this isn't
being donated to, then you can, oh, you're gonna have people that jack of all trades, working full
time jobs, your local McDonald's and spending, like, what, two, three hours a night, every now and
then towards writing something, they're not going to achieve much if they're doing that they're not
going to achieve or get very far in terms of producing any content, if they're constantly having to
		
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			do loads of other little things. Whereas if you can fund something, which is basically a dedicated
team, whose job is specifically to do research to look into all of these major contentions, these
issues, a lot of these problems that many of the youth are having to deal with today. And they're
just simply not equipped to be able to do so because they don't have access to the resources, they
don't have access to the you know, a lot of these journals, you need to have subscriptions, or you
need to be in university bill to be able to access them. All of this is obviously very difficult for
the average person for the layman. And so, what you can do by donating to Sapiens institute.org
		
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			forward slash donate live is you are helping and contributing to something which inshallah will grow
and will be an extremely powerful counter force to the sheer amount of negative press and negative
media that's been produced against Islam with by what you know, all it seems, is the sheer intent to
destroy Islam, not because of its truth or falsity just because of the fact that it gets in the way
of certain things that people want to achieve. And so we ask you now brothers and sisters to to
consider donating. And if you can't donate then do share the link. Because I think people often
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			watching live, if each and every one of you were to share this on your social media link, this will
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reward for whatever good comes out of that donation. So don't underestimate the power of sharing is
		
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			exactly here, bro. So
		
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			uses right those very well said 100 illa.
		
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			And this, for example, focus on the piece that doctors might have to use about to publish after
Ramadan. So notice my Latif has been spending, I think,
		
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			I think about six months now
		
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			focusing on an eye a literary
		
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			response to Christian theologians or philosophers specifically, Dr. William Craig,
		
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			on the conception of God of Islam, in Islam, because the argument that they've been postulating for
the past 15 or 20 years, is that
		
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			the Islamic conception of God is morally inadequate, because there's this thing in theology called
maximal perfection.
		
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			And we have this in Islam as well that basically Allah's names and attributes are to the highest
degree possible. They have no deficiency and no flaw.
		
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			So what they're saying is in the Christian tradition, God is maximally loving. Because, you know,
the whole famous line, For God so loved the world that He sacrificed his only son.
		
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			And they say, Well, if you contrast that to the Islamic tradition, God is not maximum loving. So Dr.
Smile Latif, he's produced such a an Annihilator response, I'm still thinking how they're going to
come up from the get get back from this. And the way he's responded to it is based on Islamic
theology, was trying all the way from who Allah is, to Adam, Allah, he slams slip, and Guinea
continues, and it's absolutely phenomenal. And it's shown a lot of holes in various conceptions with
atonement theory, it shone holes in the so called maximum perfection of God in the Christian
tradition. And it's so well done in terms of argumentation that it would be he spent so much time on
		
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			it. So that required a lot of time and resources and effort. But something that needs to be echoed.
Even more is that once it goes out, I don't I don't want it to fall asleep online. I don't want it
just to stay there online. We need to disseminate it. We want to have intellectual discussions with
theologians on this. We even want Dr. William Craig to defend himself for sure. Because he's no one
has really provided a robust response to his argument. Even with his debates he's had with Muslim
theologians. Unfortunately, they weren't great. Because with this one, you need an understanding of
theology.
		
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			And philosophy together in order to create a robust response. And because we have our post doctorate
academic, Dr. Osman Latif, he's, he's he obviously has the ability to basically apply those high
academic skills in every area. And he's now because there has become, in my view, a specialist on
maximum protection of the Divine. So we want to discuss these topics, I'm going to teach Muslims
about this, and we don't want to stay on in the ivory towers, we want it to filter down to the
masses. So when the Christian talks about God's love, the Muslim knows what to say, the Muslim knows
how to articulate themselves on different levels, that requires a massive program of dissemination
		
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			of propagation of marketing, which requires a lot of resources, you want to summarize the
information you want to produce in different formats, you want to give lectures on it, you want to
give a whole course on it, you want to train people on how to understand these ideas, and, and and
deliver them to other people as well, and so on and so forth. So it's not just about creating
academic content, that's just the beginning. It's about how do you now become like the mouthpiece
for different levels of society? I understand what you're saying, How do you train the dots on these
issues? How do you create a narrative at different levels? The layman, the kind of academics, you
		
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			know, those who are interested, or, or, you know, amateur specialists, if you like, how do you
disseminate that information to them, that requires a robust strategy. And in this online world, it
requires also funds in order for that to happen. Because we know these Christian odd numbers say
this is Christian missionaries in terms of the online dour. They've got like, so much money to
produce films, like almost blockbuster type films, that is Chinese that into multiple languages,
they actually, they just use the algorithm on YouTube and Facebook. And they basically promote and
disseminate their ideas, because they push a lot of money behind this. We have the Huck, we have the
		
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			truth.
		
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			So it's, it's more of a right for us to basically have these financial resources and also push out
this great work. And you know, to be honest, brothers and sisters, we need to take this very
seriously because this Christians took this seriously. 100 years ago, I would tell you, I wrote 100
years ago, Africa was a Muslim majority continent, Muslim majority continent.
		
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			What happened at nine you tell them?
		
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			Well, Southern Africa wasn't Muslim majority was people were mostly following traditional religion.
And then Muslims did go in and a lot of people did come to Islam in places like Malawi, Mozambique,
Tanzania, East Africa, mostly did become Muslim. And then the Christian missionaries came in with
the colonial powers. And not only was used their military might,
		
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			their political strength to back the missionaries and the missionaries switched the situation that
completely changes attrition.
		
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			So it's a big problem.
		
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			Brother use of gifts, some excellent statistics, not excellent because they are amazing, or they are
inspirational. It's because they are giving us the magnitude they actually show us the magnitude of
the problem we're dealing with Islam is being negatively portrayed. Every single day, every few
minutes. There's an article there's a report, there's something on Islam, every single day, every
few minutes, what are we producing? And response is the question, what are we producing, we are
still struggling to raise enough funds to run a team of brothers who are responding to where are the
Muslim brothers and sisters, we need your support. We need your response is not as good as it could
		
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			be. Believe me, I'm going to be very straight and honest. If this was a Christian appeal, in the
bible belt in America, in the American South, I'm telling you, we would have raised a million
dollars by now. They would donate to support the Trinity. They doubt their missionary activities in
Muslim lands. Hello, wake up in Muslim lands. Christian missionary activities are taking place in
Muslim lands, and they would donate millions of dollars for that. We are asking for support to
protect our youngsters against all these Islamophobic attacks intellectual and otherwise. And we are
working towards building leaders confident leaders who will be educated to defend Islam
		
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			intellectually. We need your support. There are hardly any Muslim organization is doing this out
there. And if there is no support, then we are to blame ourselves. So yeah, exactly. I've done so
before we get up
		
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			Beloved monsoon on, you know, Mashallah eat has come early for us, we have more salt on, we have
monsoon on the platform I saltwater Cola, I want to remind everyone that, you know, we developed
around 10 to 11 in depth courses and seminars, some of them spanned over 10 weeks and six weeks, and
so on and so forth. And he was on on specific topics. So we did one on atheism, we didn't want to
nihilism we did one on Christianity, we're doing one on the doctrine of the Trinity. And a lot of
that included concepts such as philosophy of science, and so on and so forth. And we did an advanced
dow training course as well. And that required a lot of time and preparation. And when we delivered
		
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			those, we basically delivered that training to over 6000 people. Now, I want to let you know,
something, that's them attending the training, we had around, I think 30,000 registrations. Okay,
some of them must have been multiple registrations for sure. But the amount of registrations were
phenomenal. Many of them didn't attend the course, like you know, when you give something free, not
many people actually attended the course. But it showed the need, right. And
		
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			what I want you to focus on is what we want to achieve after Ramadan. So we've developed a learning
platform now. It's a learning platform, it's really for content, we're going to produce
professionally filmed learning content. So you have an instructor, you'd have notes, you'd have
examination, you'd have PowerPoint presentation, you'd have the instructor facing, and is there
going to take you on that intellectual journey. So you're able to basically respond to things like,
you know, maximal perfection in Christianity, and Islam is going to help you to address address
philosophical naturalism to address things like consciousness, the argument from consciousness, the
		
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			argument from contingency, why is the Quran from Allah subhanho wa Taala. And also, it's going to
have spiritual elements in there as well, because the dwad have to be refined, you know, everyone's
in a different journey. For sure, everyone has different experiences, and different levels of
connection with Allah subhanho wa Taala. But we have to try and elevate our game, we have to follow
what the Quran tells us in sort of foresee that verse 34, Allah says, Good and Evil are not the
same, repelled by that which is better. And between two people there was hatred, it would turn into
intimate friendship. This is the I have helm of forbearance, Allah is Al haleem, the forbearing, we
		
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			must be, we must be haleem as well, from a human centric point of view. In actual fact, this is one
of the characteristics of the Prophet salallahu ad, who was sending him, when we see the famous
story of the Jewish man who came and pulled him by the neck because of a dispute concerning money,
he owed him some money.
		
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			And the way the person reacted, he repelled by that, which was better. And that person actually did
that on purpose from the perspective of he wanted to see the last sign because he saw two out of the
three signs of prophethood. And the final sign that he wants to see was the sign of forbearance,
repenting anything by that which is better, and anything by that which is beautiful. So which
basically means the lmsc here, it means that which is more virtuous, and that which is more
beautiful. So we want to focus on that as well, because you realize, you know, arguments are not
enough, you need a vehicle, you need a kind of connection in this psychology in order to try and
		
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			awaken the truth within people. Because a lot of Tao is not abstract argumentation, because it's
also the way you deliver the way you try and understand their context, you have emotional,
intellectual empathy, because the sun of giving down from an individual perspective, is to
individualize the person, see them for who they are with their context and their background, and
respond to them in that context. And it may mean that you may have to change strategy that cannot
advise our training course, we don't just focus on rational arguments. That's one part of it, it
could be that they need something else, maybe psychological, or psychodynamic or whatever issues
		
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			they may have, you may need to navigate them to the kind of past trauma to stand in the possibility
that the, the, the the meaning that they're giving the trauma is the room meaning that you give them
enough allowance and to give. So human beings are a dynamic creature. It's not just abstract
intellectual argument. So we want to be as holistic as possible. That's my point. And this is what
we achieved 6000 Muslims, handler trained, he was only 6000, actually. And that's why you should
support we should support this work. So after Ramadan, what we want to do is
		
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			Yep, so we might have a we might have an announcement, our brother has pledged to make a donation of
1000 pounds and he wants to he wants someone to match it. I love it may be a sister though, as well.
It's very ambiguous name.
		
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			Actually, maybe, maybe I don't know why I always assume
		
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			Okay maybe assistant, okay, whoever that is May Allah bless youmail open the gates of Gemma for you
I mean I mean lillico color Allahu Akbar you cannot imagine the reward any even if it's not a lot of
color is still the month of Ramadan it will be multiplied 70 time immense reward immense, immense
reward and those who match the donation May Allah open the gates agenda for you to mean
		
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			1000 pounds Okay, let us know and we will announce it for match the donation of 1000 pounds, this
brother or sister has already said they will donate and they want someone to match it right they
want someone
		
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			we are looking for someone to come forward with 1000 pounds to match the donation or alternatively
we can get like 10 people to do 100 pounds each or two people to do 500 pounds each. So let's see
what we can do. Let's see if this is still awake and still alive and kicking. Okay so let's see who
wants to make a donation of 100 pounds or 200 pounds or 300 pounds to reach our target of 1000
pounds. So that we can tell this brother or sister this oh my is awake and there are people who are
following you and you will get the reward. This person who is making the donation will get the
reward for all those who follow and they don't lose any reward. We want to see donations of 100
		
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			pounds or 200 pounds or 300 pounds will be coming forward good and bad or not the same. I love this
advice from Allah. Okay. Absolutely.
		
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			So, let us see the goodness of this Omar insha Allah let let us see those brothers and sisters who
want to match this tradition. Either it's 1000 pounds up to 500 pounds or 10 100 pounds donation or
five 200 pounds donation, your choice? Let us see. And let's rock this boat in a positive way.
inshallah let's now Okay, so let's speak to now our beloved Masuda Santa Monica muscle by cinema la
America. Just want to say you're doing amazing, fantastic work brothers.
		
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			You know, I just came here only to give my support is just to air my support that you know, those of
you who are watching those who are who are listening those who are your, you know, hearing about it,
you know, you must support this organization. And there is reason for why we have to do this. I
mean, I don't know how much we need to emphasize Subhan Allah, the role of education,
		
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			Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam was the master educator, he educated the Ummah and through his,
you know, education through his divine guidance that he received, that we have come to become
Muslims, and we are allowing other people to see the light of Islam to embrace Islam, for the
salvation in the hereafter. So education is paramount. And people don't realize this, people just
think often, that we only have to support in the cause of, you know, being charitable in the sense
of, you know, helping the poor and the needy, helping the weak and the destitute, helping. These are
clearly without any doubt, there is our noble endeavor, the noble thing to do, I mean, no doubt
		
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			about it. But also the role of education, when we sponsor someone, for example, half will occur. And
just to give you an example, through this particular individual, how many Muslims and other people
will learn and hear about the Quran, when you have an institution of education like this yourself,
which will empower Muslim Muslim leaders, Muslim youth, you know, you know, doesn't matter what age
you are in, you can be active in data, you can take the light of Islam and take it somewhere where
it has never been. Islam has never been to some houses because of our activities, for example, now
because of our activity and inaction. So if we train Muslims, like what you're doing right now, if
		
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			you train them through their hands, insha Allah, what's going to happen is they will take this
message of Islam, to so many other people, they will take it to their families and their children
and their grandchildren. It will be like a chain reaction as the brothers were highlighting this is
going to be sankaracharya. I think I need I need to ask all the brothers to emphasize this point,
helping the cause of Sapiens Institute and what you're doing building the engine and all that.
You're trying to motivate the oma to culture, the oma to build the almighty Empire, the oma, all of
this is going to be an act of sacajawea. Now, am I mistaken that this is not sadaqa? God, I mean,
		
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			this is what brothers and sisters were watching. It's to clarify because people often think that
this actions of charity does not amount to Southern Nigeria, because if it is sort of kajaria just
think about the reward you will get and I'm sure it is. Am I wrong in that
		
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			Dr. altman No, no no.
		
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			Yeah. Man sir to begin with May Allah bless us wonderful having you along the law with us exactly
her for coming spending your time with us. You're right to panela. But it's also In fact, it's the
other thing also alimony will be here. It's also the because it probably says three things. So
because in Giardia and beneficial knowledge that you pass on to others, then apply a child who will
pray for you. So therefore, the continuity of this project is is fundamental here, because remember,
it's about the training that we provide in sha Allah that others in fact, when they become empowered
with Islamic learning and Islamic guidance, they can of course, then teach others and that's kind of
		
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			how we have to, you know, get the ball going and Sholom so you're absolutely right, exactly here for
your for your comment, absolutely just like Lacan. So, this is what we need to emphasize to the
people on lockdown and dispel the doubt that they have, you know, often we think giving charities to
build a Masjid, for example, you know, get people to have fresh clean water, sanitation, medical aid
and so on and so forth. But this aspect is often
		
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			become negligent in people's understanding and they they neglect this that actually education
empowerment, leading and through education and leadership, this is a huge rewarding path that
Muslims can take and benefit you know, as a southern kajaria, continuous benefit and reward. So, if
we can build an organization and continue to make this organization progress, because one thing is
just building an establishment and leave it as it is, it is not going to be any any beneficial in
that aspect. We need to maintain the work that this institution will be doing. Maintaining is not
easy, it requires resources. It requires a lot of hard and laborious work and tasks to do. It
		
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			requires financial means to continue its work because you know
		
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			often things are not going to be you know very speedy or smooth.
		
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			Just want to give a good news very quickly, Masha Allah, this person this brother or sister law. No,
that's the news. Okay, this person wanted to make a donation initially of 1000 euros. So he or she
ended up changing their mind and they donated 1500 instead, Allah puts blessings in people's hearts
is unbelievable. And if it's the if it's local Qatar, Allahu Akbar, that's all I can say Allah.
		
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			May Allah accept this beautiful donation, and in this last 10 days of Ramadan
		
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			and someone else has already donated 100 pounds, I think towards meeting the meeting the challenge,
so Okay, I have just donated 100 pounds, please help and support this much needed work. May Allah
Allah bless these brothers in the efforts I mean, thank you so much. nano Han, may Allah bless you,
Mel accept from you. And we need more than accounts coming forward. We need more be grateful is key
coming forward. Online, we need people like this. So we need more and more people getting involved
and start making donations to match this 1500 pounds or euros donation. So what we need is maybe 15
people to make 100 100 pounds each or even less, no problem just let's try this try at least try. At
		
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			least try to support this level work brothers and sisters. And the least we can do is to make the
best the least and maybe share this live stream on your social media platforms immediately right now
start sharing, Share, share, share, and make a donation or encourage others to make a donation by
making a donation. So 100 pounds, 50 pounds, 500 pounds, 1000 pounds, let's see if someone can match
that 1500 I want to see there are people watching right now I know they have the money and they want
to make a donation, they're still thinking it may be in two minds. Whether they must donate to this
cause or that cause Let me tell you, the reason you're listening to us is because Allah wants you to
		
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			make a donation to this cause this is education, the most neglected field, possibly in the Muslim
world. I'm not exaggerating. I'm not exaggerating. The state we are in today is because we have
neglected education totally. That's why we lacked people. We can defend Islam intellectually and
academically. It's not because we are intellectually inferior. It's not because our minds don't
work. It's not because our IQ is low is because we have neglected education criminally for the last
100 years as a civilization. Generally speaking, of course, there are problems. We will talk about
colonization or colonialism and whatever came after colonialism and political strife and economic
		
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			struggles and all that. I know. We know a let's do
		
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			Let's start again. Let's start picking up from where our predecessors left, our great giants, our
inspirations where they left let's pick up the debris and start moving forward to my brothers
sisters. I'm still waiting for people to come forward we're still in two minds still thinking stop
thinking, God making donations in Sharla and
		
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			if you've done it let us know brother man so please go ahead those of you who still thinking Subhan
Allah just just understand this concept sadaqa does not decrease your wealth. This is what Allah
subhana wa tada tells us. This is lesson one lesson to explain to us
		
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			our donations, our charity does not decrease our well. If you can understand that, then you know you
realize how much you can actually give without feeling that you will lose money and you won't have
this money, but how we're going to get this money back so that I will not decrease your work. Number
one. Secondly, we talked about how in this month of Ramadan in the last 10 days, and if it's an odd
night, which is an odd night, how many poles the reward will be in Allah rewards and multiplies our
good deeds are our charities 10s and 1000s of times and as you all know, Hiram in alpha shell, it is
better than 1000 months. That means whatever you do
		
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			in this month, if you're doing charity, if you're donating money for a good cause,
		
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			as if you are donating this for your whole of your lifetime, more than 83 years of your lifetime,
even just by giving once in this particular night. So if you think about this heart Allah This is a
reward and opportunity waiting don't waste this opportunity. You know as you're listening to us I'm
sure your brothers to sing some Hannah Lord hamdulillah La ilaha illa Allah Allahu Akbar Allahu
Akbar on in LA home. You know, these are the things the Quran as current as be that you're doing in
this little corner you're not wasting any seconds as you were listening to us, as well as you making
this do that llama Nick afternoon, I found one, but you're also trying to find ways to even more I
		
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			rather like you're trying to gain some Islamic education, trying to learn so that you can impart to
others and you can benefit others with this education. Understanding that this institution is doing
precisely that which will import and empower the Muslims empower a community which will defend our
Deen because brothers and sisters who are living in a time where there are critics everywhere trying
to onslaught their criticisms against our Deen intellectually, emotionally, psychologically,
philosophically from all avenues. We need an organization like Sapiens Institute's in which they
will be at forefront to understand this issues at hand Firstly, secondly, how to deal with this
		
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			issues. Thirdly, they will produce response answers,
		
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			counter criticisms and rebuttals to refute and debunk these ideas and criticisms to make sure Islam
is the higher highest and upper most because Islam doesn't need defending this is something that we
all know. But there are people who might be misled because of their not being trained because of not
being educated in Islamic Deen and its fundamentals and inshallah, through the empowerment of saving
Institute's you will see that this work will continue and the Muslim Ummah will benefit. So I give
my full support for this organization, brothers and sisters, if you really No, these brothers and
you know the who are working behind this, they are giving their own time and their own effort to
		
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			bring about a change, bring about a development that is in need of change, like Hamza Loftus was
mentioning before, we need to bring about a change in the way we do our we need to bring about a new
ways of developing the Muslim Ummah, we need to be leaders and leading. At the same time, we cannot
remain passive anymore, we cannot just sit there at the back seat and watch and be like keyboard
aurizon do nothing. It's time to be active, it's time to be engaging, it's time to proceed,
participate. And there are various ways of participating. One is you learn and you empower yourself
through these organizations. And after that, you then become the leading and the leaders to empower
		
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			the Muslim Ummah that so much needs our
		
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			masu by just demand, just just everyone to know. It's important to know that brother Massoud has
been doing Tao for a very long time and he's got a speaker's corner dallah YouTube channel Kudo
wise. If you go to dial wise calm, you'll be able to access the YouTube channel, the Facebook, the
Twitter, the email, and there's a beautiful button that is yellow on
		
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			The left bottom left near the bottom left center left. And obviously that doesn't represent his
politics or anything.
		
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			It center left and it's a Donate button. So please support also Tao wise to do some phenomenal work.
I think I've been on the stream a few times. It's been a phenomenal experience. Actually, I think
one of my, some of my best experiences on streams was with Data Wise. Well, I bless them and
preserve them. So please go to Tao wise.com. And please donate generously brothers and sisters,
because, you know, as we said earlier, before monster came on board, that experience is one of the
most critical things that you require when it comes to giving dour and not only does brother Hashem
and brother must sort of have the experience, but also have the knowledge as well. So please support
		
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			them. Tao, wise, calm and I've put the link now, you can see it in front of you, I just thought it
will be only but good to see this. And by the way, my policy is always to try to do stuff like this.
And I try and keep to as much as possible. Because you know, the beauty of helping others supporting
others. And you know, Massoud being here is a manifestation of that. It's an issue, if you believe
Allah is the one who provides and he is the bounty. He's the one who gives us all of these bounties
and you believe that he is his names and attributes are boundless, the no deficient or flawed, then
you should be supporting all fail. And putting no barriers to any fair and if you support all the
		
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			failure, all the goodness, then the Baraka is going to be multiplied. I believe that truly. And
yeah, so please go to dollar wise.com Please support the brothers as well as aka him on sorbet. So
use if you want to say something. Yeah, I just wanted to draw attention to this particular answer.
Samir has passed away recently. So if we're going to make the offer her aunt's may Allah have mercy
upon her and make the loss easy on those that loved her and reunite them in general. I mean, I mean,
		
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			I mean, the The only other thing I wanted to mention, so we've got Brother Mohammed right. Rehan
with us, he has already spoken yet.
		
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			So Mohammed, would you like to ask a question?
		
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			salaam aleikum wa Rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh. Welcome. Sorry for keeping you waiting so long. I know
from my question is, as much as we need Muslims that intellectually battle, you know, detractors of
Islam. What about how, what would you think is the best way to give Dawa to most people that are
like your friends and family that don't care about religion and intellectual arguments? And, you
know, how do you get them to Islam?
		
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			Because we need our in every level, right?
		
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			Yeah.
		
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			That's a very good question. So the first thing is where you'd be so surprised how these
intellectual ideas or these doubts or these shewhart, or these attacks against Islam, how they get
filtered down to the layman level anyway, even my parents know some of these arguments against
Islam, right? People, they just get filtered down. And that's the nature of society that, you know,
and that's why Sapiens Institute exists, because you have an academic idea and an idea that starts
in the ivory towers, but it gets filtered down in some way. And it gets propagated and the
influential structures and the influential mechanisms society, for example, the education system, or
		
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			the television or the media, whatever the case may be, they ensure that those ideas in a simple form
in the hearts and minds of people. So you'd be surprised your neighbors will probably know something
about something. Yeah. So that's the first point, it's not always the case that you know, you won't
be able to you won't have to respond and you'd have to be empowered and how to respond to that.
However, you're right. That you there's there's different levels of doubt when it comes to your
neighbors and your families and your friends. As a general rule, the first thing you have to
understand is that you have to be an embodiment of the Islamic values, you have to actually walk the
		
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			walk here, just like what I said earlier, and sort of facilitate that you have to basically repel
anything by that which is better.
		
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			And what's really interesting is the verse before that in sort of foresee that verse 34, the verse
before verse 33, a lot gives us a strategy for, for our a holistic strategy, Allah says and who is
better in speech than the one who calls to Allah does does righteous deeds and says I am one of
those who submit, so upon Allah, so there are three elements here, you make the direct call to Allah
to his tell heed. You are you do righteousness, you walk the walk, you internalize Islamic values
and teachings. And you, you say I am one of the Muslims. I am one of those who submit meaning from
this perspective that the actions that you do, they should understand is motivated by the deen of
		
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			Allah subhanho wa Taala that is
		
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			motivated because you are you are you are a manifestation of a being Allah. So if you focus on that
strategy, calling them to Allah being a great person righteousness and linking that righteousness to
the fact that you are be Allah and you follow the second verse after that verse that you follow that
you report anything by that which is better. That's a beautiful strategy. So let's just focus a
little bit now on calling to Allah. You know sometimes quote and tala is very simple, you just say
to them who is Allah? And you say and you tell them about the basic message. So So you say Allah is
one who's uniquely one, he has no partners, he is transcendent. He is a rock man the intensity
		
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			merciful I will do I will do the loving his early in the knowing I came the wise he is
		
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			I had he is uniquely one. There is nothing like him laser chemistry he shaped How would you bring
that into the conversation? Okay, good. So we'll talk about that. So it depends what type of
relationship you have. So usually, I just like to go for three price if you don't mind.
		
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			It's an honor to be here to you know, air my support. for the great work you're doing. I hope you
continue this work and insha Allah, our brothers and sisters who are watching will continuously to
you know, open their hearts, and donate generously. Michelle.
		
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			Salama Allah.
		
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			So before we get to how to initiate that conversation, you have to know what to say what you have to
focus on. And generally speaking, you just focus on Allah, that's very important, because that would
engage the fifth row very well. So the point I was trying to say here is you focus on what you could
tell him, you bring it back to the foundations of Islam. Because if you could show that Allah is a
reality, you could show that he is one, you could show that He's worthy of worship, you could show
that the process is the final prophet in the Quran is from Allah, then if he could show that's a
truth, then whatever comes from that truth is true. So that's the kind of strategy you would take.
		
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			Now to deal with it on an individual basis. It depends what type of relation we have with the
person. So in one aspect of our advanced our training course, we talk about different types of
initiation. So you have passive initiation, you have active initiation, advanced initiation. So what
is passive initiation? passive initiation is where someone comes up with comes to you with a
question. So sometimes you could just wait for a question. And when they give you a question, you
have to obviously have good o'clock have empathy and all of these things. But then you have to link
it to the concept. You basically say to them, well, in order for you to understand the answer, you
		
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			have to understand the concept of the sun. You have a few minutes for me to explain this tea. And
the reason you're bringing them to the concert, because you create a realization that will you
understand as well, that really the answers can only be properly understood, if you have the right
lenses on because the questioner has particular lenses on, you have critically lenses, say your
lenses are colored green, their lenses are colored yellow, you guys are going to be arguing what
color the sky is one's going to think is green, the other thing is going to be yellow. So the way to
understand each other is to exchange your lenses exchange your glasses. So this concept you bring
		
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			them back to the concept is a way for them to understand the answer in the right way and to
understand the way you see the world. So you see to them in order for you to understand the answer
you have to understand the concept of Islam. Do you have some time to meet to explain this Jesus
passive initiation in a quick nutshell, our online course is available online. By the way, if you go
to St Vincent's dot org for slash learn, you vote to scroll down and click on the button and look at
the course called awakening the truth within
		
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			active initiation is when you don't wait for a question is that when you speak to someone, and you
create a conversation, whereby you you are able to link it to the concept of Islam. So it could be a
natural situation for and you can find out that lots of people are dying because of not enough, you
know, distribution of wealth, people in the third world of developing world are dying from
starvation. And you're both really upset about that. And you say, you know what, you know, this, I
really, really believe that the only way to solve this type of problem is really if we just follow
what God said.
		
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			Don't you think? Or do you believe in God? So you're asking a question in the conversation and then
that can help you link it to the concept. Then after the kind of advice initiation is when you asked
a question, you could answer it using your intellect, but at the same time bringing it to the
concept of Assam. Now, obviously, this haven't explained much here. But if you go to the course you
understand exactly the breakdown of these three types of initiation. And that would help you to be
able to interact with the person as best as possible. But if it's friends and family has to be
natural, it has to be organic. Obviously try and speak to them speak to them whenever you can. And
		
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			in the right way. By has to
		
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			To be natural, and it has to be through the relationship that you have with that person. And you can
use three different ways of initiating that conversation, passive initiation activity or advanced,
I've briefly just summarize what they are. And for you to know more about them, go to the Sapiens
Institute website. And after Ramadan, we're going to have a professionally filmed, advised our
training course available online for you to access for free. That's why brothers and sisters, you
should go to Sapiens Institute org forward slash donate live in order for you to donate to this
amazing project, because we're going to be empowering and educating people for free
		
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			is okay, Mohammed
		
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			does not go off it. And I just had one more suggestion to use, but the use of like, oh, what about
the idea of starting a Discord server in our community or Sapiens community? You know, because in
discord like there are many intellectual discussions going on I even a Christian converted in one of
the servers. I mean, so yeah.
		
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			Personally, I got kind of put off Discord. So it's not something I would necessarily want to try to
set up. I've got a little server myself. So let's just
		
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			tell us what happened. You don't want to know, bro, you don't want to know, just a bit of chaos,
basically. But
		
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			I get what you mean they there is a lot of good that does come out of it as well. It's just
personally it's, I don't think it's something I'm going to try to make something too big. I've got
like, say about a little reading club, but I don't have it open all the time. The only time I open
any of the channels is when we're reading a book.
		
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			So that's run about it, and then I'll close it again. And otherwise, it's there's too much going on
there. It's very hard to manage. You need people constantly online, moderating all the time. And it
ends up being a lot of effort.
		
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			Which is quite fair for the suggestion. Right? Let's bring on board.
		
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			This board. I will it's been waiting for quite a while. Let's actually bring him on. Yeah, let's do
that. So I'm worried a lot about while it goes on and on what what how are you guys doing?
hamdulillah so forgive me waiting too long. You know, if you've been in there for a while. I know.
There's no problem with that. So.
		
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			So I wanted to ask Dr. Small Latifah question but he is on arm so you guys can actually tackle this
question as well.
		
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			I wanted to ask about this idea that is that this disease that this monster that is in Muslim woman,
our This is the enemy within that is called nationals. So some people now come with this, come up
and say like I'm a proud this crowd up. Now I even go as far as going to say, I'm a proud Muslim. So
don't be a proud Muslim, I am new. I tell most of them. So we are, you know, humble Muslim, and be a
humble servant of Allah subhanho wa Taala. Because as long as not here to bring pride are proud to
to us. So how do you tackle this question of nationality? So that is eating and devouring the flesh
of Muslim oma, nowadays?
		
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			Well, I'm going to be very authentic with you. I didn't really focus on your question. I'm sorry, I
had to be on my phone. So if I don't, if you don't mind, just summarize the question again, really
quickly. It was it was about nationalism, some some people, you know, proud to be from a particular
nationality. So they just
		
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			yeah, just brushed aside everyone. And they focus on particular nationality. And the as we know
that, as Muslim oma, you know, we have the concept of brotherhood, that whenever someone is Muslim,
so that's actually the intent to brotherhood. It's actually also mentioned in
		
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			chapter one, and South This is nowadays, it's like a monster that is devouring the flesh of Muslim
home, as I said before, and,
		
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			and and, you know, kind of taking us into a something else, you know, sometimes we forget, you know
about our community and about our oma and focus on particular nationality and alienates other people
from other countries.
		
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			There's nothing wrong with being having an affinity for your tribe or having an affinity for your
culture, having an affinity for your people that your immediate cultural, the cultural population
that that you've been brought up with, there's nothing wrong with that, you know, if I've been going
likes Bengali food and the like the bigodi language, and they and they like the Bengali culture,
that's not a problem because the Sahaba you know, that has an affinity for the tribes. The principle
is this, though, that nationalism or this type of affinity or love that you have for the nation, or
your tribe should never
		
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			Never ever be on top of your Islamic principles, priorities and values. And it should never be a
reference point a more reference point for you at all. So the way you see the world, the way you see
Muslims, you see Muslims as one brotherhood, you see them as and the way you act with other people
from different cultures from different races, you treat them in a way as Allah wants you to treat
them not not in a way that is dictated by your own nationalistic tendencies or, or sense of affinity
for a particular tribe or language or nation. Because what defines us really, essentially, is the
fact that we are worshipers of Allah subhanho wa Taala. You know, to the degree that Allah says,
		
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			Don't be like those who forgot Allah, and Allah made you forget your own self, our own personal
identity and who we are, is contingent on our relationship with Allah subhanho wa Taala is not
contingent on your nationality. And so it should never ever be a means to basically contradict
Islamic principles, or Islamic values or the way we treat each other. If that happens, and it's a
disease isn't. It's a disgraceful disease. And we have to be very aware of this. Because if it's
growing this nationalistic disease, we have to fight against this. It's a great evil. And don't
forget, it's also very, it's very irrational, because a lot of these cultures and countries never
		
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			existed like 70 or 100, or 200 years ago, right? It was like some guy who are a bunch of people
really, who canalized this particular area, they most likely raped our women and killed our men and,
you know, destroyed
		
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			the infrastructure or subjugate these people. They eventually decided, because some kind of
political or financial pressure that they had to leave and they just drew a line in a map. And many
people, many Muslims are so silly that they now define themselves by those lines. Now, the will
honestly shocking well, even to the degree where you have people in the same country, one people
from the south won't marry people from the north. Right? Yeah, exactly. It's easy to take marriage
as an example. You know,
		
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			you know, some Nigerians will marry Pakistanis Pakistanis won't marry. I don't know Turkish people
who won't marry Kurdish people. And even in within Pakistan itself, you know, Punjab is what my
Kashmiris Kashmiris won't marry below cheese. You know, no one's mind nobody and even Afghanis won't
even marry Afghanis.
		
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			Here is become it's a disgrace.
		
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			And it's something that we really need to focus on. And don't forget, bro, this was one way of
subjugating the ummah. It was one way of getting the Muslim community to, to, to to break up not to
be unified and to have the wrong reference points. So nationalism to the degree where it becomes
your reference point. And it takes precedence over it takes priority over the Islamic values and
your obedience to Allah subhanho wa Taala. That's absolutely terrible. And it's a huge disease that
we have to fight against. Absolutely. And to be honest, I'm going to be very honest here. And
because I was brought this way, my dad never brought me up to be a proud Greek or my dad was like
		
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			more of a humanist. This is be honest, a lot of these people were they got what I had, they got to
be proud about. Let's be honest, a one moment Yeah. Okay. You're from Pakistan. And I know he's on
his hate me when I say this. But let's be honest. We have what are you proud of? Why are you proud?
Oh, tell me what you're proud of? What you like now from Ganesan? Yeah, well, I'm just saying,
You're part of your language. Fine. But you know, you could anyone could learn that language. You're
proud of your food, I could buy a book and cook your food. What are you really proud of? I mean,
what is it? What I want you to boil it down to me find me the essential thing, because I have a
		
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			challenge to people find me something that you love of your culture in a Muslim country, and find me
that that thing itself doesn't come from Islam.
		
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			It's almost impossible. Good things in your culture are usually from Islam. Anyway, don't get me
wrong. There's nothing wrong with having cultural manifestations of these things, for sure. But even
when we're so proud, excessively of our own nations, let's really think about from a geopolitical
perspective. What is it to be proud about? I mean, they take Bangladesh, Bangladesh is basically an
extension of India. Let's just be honest, social, socio politically, socially, economically. And
from a kind of geopolitics point of view. Bangladesh, is this another arm? It's an extension of
India. So what are you proud of? Pakistan is an extension of China to some degree as well, right? I
		
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			mean, what are we really proud about? This is beyond and it's what is it? What is it? I want to I
want to know, yeah, just to touch on that as well, when I was younger, and obviously I grew up in a
non Muslim household. Like a Council of State, many people around me were quite typically very
nationalistic.
		
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			You know, there were British were English. Yeah. And it was also very much tied to this whole
football culture thing. And it was always something that I found so strange. I never got it. It just
seemed so randomly weird to me. Like, what? So what are these people that I never met that died way
before I was even born did a bunch of things. And I want to act like I was part of that somehow,
like, like how, what was what is it that I'm proud of here with regards to people I never knew and
never met. It just always seemed really strange to me. And like with that, obviously, you get it,
especially if you're in this sort of group mentality where there's a lot of people that do think
		
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			this way and are quite nationalistic, you can often make you feel very much like an outsider, when
you see it for what it is, is something strange and peculiar and arbitrary or random.
		
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			And I think it, we kind of need to transcend it, we do need to start people and all it takes is just
think about it for a little bit. And nationalism itself does become very strange. You just like when
you you stare at words on a page for too long, and they stop looking like words.
		
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			In the same way, if you just stare at nationalism or that mentality for long enough, it stops
seeming like anything tangible. It's it's, it's so bizarre. Yeah. Just to elaborate on that point,
you know, just as brother Hamza said, This nationalistic mindset in the Muslim world came after the
19th 19th century, quite Finally, when the British, you know, attacked Afghanistan, and they
couldn't conquer it. So they just actually put something nationalistic among the Afghan people, you
know, you're pashtoon, you're higher than this people, and this and that. So this war is actually
like, nowadays, going on between so many tribes, in Afghanistan, so many ethnicities in Afghanistan,
		
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			and quite frankly, you know, Afghanistan is a country that has totally two different ethnicities see
multi ethnical countries with multiple languages. So this concept was never existed before 19th
century, and then this thing actually was brought up to the Muslim world. And if and if you could,
you know, if you see in history, most of the Muslim world were living under some particular empires.
So and they wouldn't think about this national nationalistic mindset, they would say, No, we just we
are Muslims. And that's it. Apart from that, you don't have any superiority. There were some
actually like prejudices. But they were not to the, to the degree we are having today. Yeah, this
		
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			happens as well as because it's been a vacuum so people haven't understood, you know, the Islam
properly because if you really understand his farm, he really read the Quran properly with its
themes of unity. And the Sunnah, with his themes of unity and the way and our more reference points
should be the Quran and the Sunnah. If we really understand that, it's impossible to be
nationalistic. Exactly. Even if you've been conditioned that way, you would, you would eventually
slowly try and uncondition yourself to be more in line with Islamic practices. So a lot of is
because people just haven't got the Islamic ethos or they haven't got the right Islamic teachings,
		
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			and it hasn't been prioritized in their life. And that's what we need to do. But this is a social
political matter as well. Because you remember, societies are shaped on the to certain degree and
that's how the social norm is developed. So you know, we have a lot of work to do, but I think the
most important thing to do is keep on practicing the religion and telling people what Islam really
says And over time, you know, people are going to understand this and hopefully we build shallow and
collective consciousness in sha Allah whereby people understand that you know, what's important is
what Allah thinks not what other people think what's important is that I did identify myself the in
		
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			the way that Allah was returned to define myself but at the same time cargo on one extreme, you
know, I'm very happy to be British. I was born here I you know, you know, I have a British
sensitivity in terms of humor, Brits, you know, Brits, they have very similar humor. Yeah.
		
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			You know, do I like fish and chips? I actually had fish and chips yesterday. Yeah, you know, do you
know I was brought in East London? Yeah, I was robbing Hackney in in estates in East London. I used
to go boxing in, in Catania Canning Town, right.
		
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			So, the point here is, you know,
		
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			I I like the language I like Shakespeare. So it's going to be a bit silly for me to say no, I don't
I don't consider myself praise. Of course I do. This is my there's an aspect of who I am in my
culture that is thoroughly British. But is that now going to be now my moral yardstick reference
point? No, of course, not. All my yardstick and reference point is insha. Allah is the Quran and the
Sunnah and I'm never going to now judge someone say my daughter she wants to marry
		
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			An Afghani or a Nigerian? I'm not gonna say no, he has to be British or he has to be Greek. Oh, this
is haraam. This is haraam completely. And I shouldn't, I shouldn't allow my cultural affinity to
form lenses in which I see and judge people through those lenses alone. And that would be very, very
problematic for me for me to do. So we have to be balanced because even the Sahaba you know, they
belong to tribes. But they knew Allah and His messenger came first they knew that allegiance was to
Allah, the allegiance, allegiance was to His Messenger. And they saw the Ummah as one body, they
didn't differentiate and distinguish them as Oh, he's pakhtoon. So he's a bit like this, or he's
		
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			Punjabi, so he's a bit like, this is his, so he's a bit like this. I'm not gonna like him that much.
I'm not gonna get him. I'm not gonna bring him too close. This is all haram and all forbidden in
Islam. Yeah, there's, there was also a distinction which you highlighted it there a better way of
looking at there's a distinction between being proud and being grateful. You know, there's a number
of things we can be grateful for about being in a particular place, you know, with the certain
benefits that come along with that. And you know, that that is fine. And if anything, you should be
grateful, you know, if you're not thankful to the Pete, if you're not, what's the heady thing in New
		
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			Hampshire, if you're not thankful? To the people, you're not thankful to allow something along the
lines? Yes. Yeah. So a sign of being thankful to Allah subhana wa, tada is thinking others
basically. Yeah, that's the ethic here. So it's very important in especially in the nation state
perspective.
		
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			Generally speaking nation states, especially in the West, they work around tax, right. So people put
all this money to the government, and the government supposed to have the delegated authority to use
that tax effectively. So the reason I have police I have a health care system is because of other
people around me. Right? So the tibia is not being grateful would be a sign of is as a bad sign is
just being too ideological. In my view. I think this is ridiculous. Yeah. That's not the approach.
So we have to rebalance, we have to follow what is Islam say about these things? But you're right,
bro. So,
		
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			you know, we do nationalism is a massive disease, man, it's a massive disease. And you know, we
can't and this is the irony, we complain about Islamophobia, because a lot of people are some are
phobic I usually nationalistic, right? Yeah. The people who are recipients of Islamophobic actions
and speech and narratives, they are following the same thing, the same problem. They're being
nationalistic, right?
		
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			This this, this pick on what cultures will pick on not not to pick on any culture. But let's take
for example, say you're a nationalist, Pakistani nationalist, right. And they get into the
Pakistanis today, bro.
		
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			Yeah.
		
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			Muslim culture. So say, you're a bigodi, nationalist, and you go to the UK, and you set to that you
become a British citizen. And then you want to integrate, and you want to be a good person, but you
want to keep your Islam as well, of course, and your your you and your family. Your widows got
broken, and you've been sworn and they were racist by a bunch of people who are nationalists. Right?
		
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			You have to be careful here. Because if you now still maintain the same type of nationalism for, for
where you come from, you're a part of the same problem, because it's the same evil that is producing
those problems, right. So it's very important for us to understand that sometimes when we point the
finger, three fingers pointing back, we have to be aware of that. You know, you can't, you know, the
uncle who doesn't allow his daughter to marry a black brother. Yeah, the Asian uncle, who doesn't
allow his daughter to marry the black brother. Even the black brother has got great Aflac. Being a
great Muslim. Oh, his life. He's Oh, he's not marrying them only because of his color. Yeah. And
		
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			then he goes and complains to the police because his window got broken by some fog, some
nationalistic folks. With all due respect, you're following the same evil, right? It's just
manifesting itself in different ways, is the same type of nationalistic tendency. So we have to be
really, really careful. Because sometimes maybe the things that happen to us is because that we
haven't fixed up our own house ourselves. Right? I remember I was giving a talk. In Australia, a
video is talking about love and love in the Islamic tradition. And one uncle said, No, I'm never
gonna, we I don't say to my kids, I love them because it's not my culture.
		
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			This is not my God, I I think I was furious. I think I was like, so like, oh my god. Because not
expressing love at home is one of the key driving factors of people, you know, not following Islam
and not having good self esteem and all of that stuff. Anyway, I think we've pushed this too long.
Man, I bet you that would
		
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			just just last the stream I was taught, I talked about your book. So I found you book in Farsi
language and, of course, to so many people. You know, I think I might have reached out to a
		
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			dozen people. Oh,
		
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			sorry.
		
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			Yeah, unforeseen damage are the same. So the dialect Okay, good. So far so good. Yeah, actually
promoted.
		
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			Yes. Okay. Yeah. All right, good.
		
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			So I just want to draw attention, but a tiny shoulder. He said, I've donated 500 pounds and
encourage every viewer to donate where they can. within their means. This word provides a safeguard
for our children's man. Oh, this brother needs all the time. I know. I know. I was just gonna say,
		
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			Oh, my good. Well, I bless brother tinium I hope I pronounced your name correctly. My Lord bless you
and your family, the best in this life. And best in the life to come. Question for you yourself.
		
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			Go your question.
		
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			You got me nervous. Now? Let's question.
		
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			So the question is, how is the part two of the essay going? Yeah. Well, I've managed to build a lot
of it with the the webinars and I
		
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			thought that last webinar, it kind of is put forward a skeleton for the essay to come. So I'm just
gonna start adding the meat on now. So for you guys that don't know what we're talking about,
basically,
		
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			use of basically did this amazing essay on naturalism as a poison, okay? Because nihilism is like a
massive issue. And is very thorough.
		
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			I put it in the comments right now.
		
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			Yeah, good. So and basically is part one, and part two is how Islam is the antidote. So he's working
on that essay that should be ready by the end of May, hopefully, inshallah. But he also delivered if
you go to the sapiens, his YouTube channel, he delivered a four part seminar course stroke workshop
on this topic. And that is, oh, by the way, I guess my playlist you've got, you've got the mind in
some Higgledy Piggledy order, man, why did you fix this?
		
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			fix it.
		
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			I'm also going to put it on the site and get people to download the slides as well.
		
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			And inshallah, so that's it. And that course is about, I think, 12 hours long, because a lot of his
webinars are like, three hours.
		
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			That's good. But the good thing is, as I say, use of could chew a rabbit ear off, you know, rabbits
is a big and chewy, I guess.
		
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			like to have. So I bless him. So yeah, I was just trying to ask him when the essay is ready. So
humbly, good. He's working on his brilliant.
		
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			Good, man. I just got a link to the webinar in the comments.
		
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			So go shopping on the next guest. Yeah, let's do that. Alright, just Mila Salam Alaikum.
		
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			shun, you need to unmute your mic.
		
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			Either. Shut up.
		
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			I always feel bad, bad when this happened. Someone's been waiting for ages. And then maybe they've
gone away for a second. And
		
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			there we go. Hello.
		
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			Well,
		
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			it's an honor and privilege to speak to you guys.
		
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			Yeah, because I was watching. Just before I asked my question, I had to tell you something. Today,
the sense like, a couple of weeks ago, I was watching a Christian stream. Like to speak to
		
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			the head interview with William Lane. Craig here. Do you want to ask a question? You had to be a
member or he had done it? So talking to you guys, the most of the people take for granted. And it's
like a it's that's what I'm saying sound and privilege before? I'm kind of nervous. Sorry.
		
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			Take a deep breath if you need a moment. I know the feeling. I get nervous. Yeah.
		
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			It discussion is to Hamza. Yeah. So Hamza? I was watching your interview with Dr. Steven Lowe.
You're saying that in that you argued Yeah, like you said
		
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			that not demeaning people, but remove the dignity of people. It's a different kettle of fish. you're
arguing? Like, basically, you're saying you shouldn't
		
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			diminish the dignity of people? Yeah, yes. Yeah. So I was wondering, like, I understand, like, you
shouldn't
		
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			diminish the dignity of people who like religious figures and stuff. But what about like war
criminals like singeing thing and then like, Buddhist mobs that go around killing genocide, you
know, killing all random Muslims and the one in Sri Lanka? What about,
		
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			like mocking them? What do you think? Is it wrong to do that? Well, again, it's about what what are
your objectives because the objectives are freedom of speech, like truth, accountability and
progress. So obviously with someone like me
		
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			What's his name, Ching, Xinjiang and hence, including here. So someone like him, you need to find
out what was going to be effective to take into account.
		
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			That's important. So I do appreciate the gray areas. But you need to think what is going to be
effective. For example, if I wanted to take an American president to account for the drone attacks
in, in Pakistan, they call like families and innocent people. If I want to take them to account, if
I start being offensive to their mother, or offensive to them, is that going to be conducive to
taking them to account? That look, a fit our own fit our own was worse than all of them? Right?
Because the owner was like he believed he was God. Allah told him told Musa alayhis salam speak to
him with leenane. softly. Obviously, we have to be nuanced because if you follow the narrative of
		
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			Musa alayhis, salaam, a pharaoh Musa lism, became more assertive. But it's from my understanding,
there is not one instance of a prophet in the Quran, actually, deliberately diminishing the dignity
of a human being.
		
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			If you could find an instance, let me know, but I'm not aware of one. Yeah. And I'm not saying I'm a
master of the Quran or anything, but I'm not aware of an instance where prophet
		
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			actually diminished the dignity of the human being. It was quite the opposite actually, people who
probably deserved mocking, like mushriks, and people who did major sins, they were treated as part
of the community. Yeah, call me to the point where even loot alayhis salaam was offering the women
of his people, to the people of lutes. Right, which by extension could mean his own daughters. Yeah,
right. So what kind of affinity did he have for his people? Yeah, call me all my people. They were
concerned for the little worried about them. So
		
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			I even said in that discussion, if you're very clear about that, it's not it's not a great, it's not
black and white is great. But the ultra Islamic ethics, that the default position is that you don't
affect the dignity dimension to people, yes, you can mock ideas, you can mock actions and ideas,
there's a difference. And that's why Steven law, I think he wanted to portray me as one of those
religious guys who just want to basically ban everything. And you know, that was true. If you got
it, I was trying to fit in what I'm talking about. What I mean by mocking is not not mocking ideas
is mocking people. Yeah, I remember the diminishe of so I've tried it, I try to unpack the idea for
		
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			him. Because if you think about the freedom to insult and freedom to mock and dim, but what I mean
by that diminish a human beings dignity,
		
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			in many cases can go against the very objectives of freedom of speech. So you're shooting yourself
in the foot really self defeating? Because if that object is a freedom of speech, or truth,
accountability and progress, then diminishing someone's dignity is not gonna facilitate that. And I
gave him a few thought experiments failed to understand that. So
		
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			to be honest, I don't even know how to answer your question is a gray area, you know, one would love
to diminish the dignity and mock the * out of oppressors and tyrants. And to be honest, probably
want to do more than that.
		
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			To try to add to
		
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			this will not so for me, personally, I've never been a fan of mockery. I even find in many cases,
mockery can be very inappropriate. It's the use of comedy in a lot of ways. Can I say something?
Like when I say mockery, like mocking the war criminals, like genocide, as you know, who incite
violence and stuff? I know, I know.
		
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			I know, I know. I know. But so the word mockery here genuinely is the use of some sort of humor or
comedy in order to to belittle something that now that the Quran does say to be harsh, in some
cases, be harsh to those who are, you know, that obviously, the the cases that you've mentioned,
would probably fit perfectly. The example of those who you should be harsh towards in your voice in
terms of, obviously speak out against them, speak harshly towards them, tell them what they're doing
is wrong.
		
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			And you know, be firm on that what they are doing is wrong, and you should speak out against it.
mockery half of the time is a detraction from talking about what's important. It's not talking about
the issue is talking about something secondary and unrelated to the problems themselves, and it I
personally, I just think mockery is a waste of time. And it's, it's probably more indicative of the
modern culture that you find in the West, they're all about mockery. Everything's about mocking this
mocking that. Oh, you find that important. I'm going to mock it. You find this important, I'm not
that to like it. It's absurd. It's exhausting. And if anything, it, it makes it difficult to have a
		
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			discussion to talk about the important matters, because mockery often involves just end up kind of
leading away to, like I said, the secondary issues. I think
		
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			It's fine to be harsh. It's fine to express your displeasure with these people. If they're evil,
they're evil, you say that, that's fine. And don't be shy about it.
		
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			So well, for example, he's, he's campaigning for the weekers. And he like he can be very harsh when
he needs to be when it's appropriate. And so I don't think there's a problem with that. And you need
to make a distinction between being harsh and firm, where it's appropriate, like with the examples
you gave, and using mockery that is joking and making fun of it. What was the point in that we've
got much more serious things we need to discuss here, let's not mess about like teenagers, let's
let's get to the bottom of the issues and discuss them as sometimes mocking someone by diminishing
the dignity even if they're an oppressor. But there is hope for them to change, that mocking could
		
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			be a barrier to that change.
		
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			But there is another argument and one would argue that if you do mock them, sometimes it creates
awakenings within people. And you know, humiliation is a very good medicine for people to realize,
Oh, my God, thank God, they mocked me. Otherwise, I would have held out because I was still held
those ridiculous ideas. So they would argue that as well. But I think I totally agree with yourself.
		
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			And I think it's always good to start with defaults. So what's the default The default is always be
nice and kind. That's the Islamic default, especially the example of Musa alayhis. Salaam, throne.
And always focus on the issue at hand, don't diminish the dignity of people, and uses right mocking
basically, you saying that you don't really have an argument? It's like, it's like a different
version of ad hominem, isn't it? Yeah. That's what it is absolutely. Even throwing that out. Like,
you know, no, most of them they don't read article about AIG and stuff where like, if you were to
draw a cartoon where this guy is putting people on concentration camp camp that carries that's much
		
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			more powerful. Yeah. Like, you know, what they do to Muslim. They draw a guy with a beard and a
sword and some verses of the Quran. And people get the idea. This what he says, means mean culture.
Yeah. Yeah. suggests. So. Okay, with that picture. Oh, Islam is a religion of violence and stuff. So
same thing we can do to singeing pin, like,
		
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			I see what we're doing. But but then you'll be mocking his idea and actions rather than him. Right.
		
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			I yeah. So there is a distinction. So if you're just that if you're mocking him for looking Chinese,
and I'll be totally wrong. haoran inappropriate. And not the China vitamins like, but but we gotta
be careful. across. Yeah, so yeah. So if you're mocking his ideas and actions, then I don't see a
problem with that at all. It's like what you said is another way of being assertive. But if you're
if you're doing it in a way, and don't forget, when you mock to degree, what it's like humorous.
What happens is you create desensitize, desensitize the issue at hand. Like, you know, genocide is a
very, very, very extremely serious thing. That if the way you're fighting is genocide, is by using a
		
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			form of humor such as mockery, you could be diminishing the message in some way. Do you see my
point? Yeah. Look what happens in a lot of Western culture, even in my country, Britain, no,
politicians are mocked all the time. They're not taken seriously anymore. Right? This is kind of
collective conscious of not really taking politicians that seriously, because there's been an
excessive culture of everyone mocking each other. So you so and in that, in that cut in that kind of
environment, what you do you just diminish the value of such important representatives, right?
According to the the worldview, you know, they're supposed to be representing the people who have
		
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			high importance and value, but it gets diminished by this excessive mockery. And what happens,
nothing becomes sacred anymore. Nothing has any value. So if you're contributing to a kind of
culture or collective conscious that nothing has value anymore than what you're doing, you're
actually killing the soul of that society.
		
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			Yeah, and that's why it's very important to we should never be ashamed of believing in the sacred.
And we believe some things that we there's, there's there's red lines, and that we believe in these
sacred things, we should say to them, I feel sorry for you for having nothing sacred in your life.
Everything is to be mocked. Everything is to be joked at. Someone who doesn't have anything sacred
in their life is one of the most dangerous people on this planet. Because when the proverbial hits
the fan, the fan, they could easily be one of those guys pushing the red button and killing all of
humanity. Or they could be easily the ones putting the the wiggers into concentration camps, because
		
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			nothing is sacred anymore. When the circumstances change, they will change. Yeah, these type of
people are extremely dangerous people. So it's very important. If they say all you Muslims are too
sensitive, no, we believe in some sacred things, and we have non negotiables and we could articulate
that ethically, rationally, intellectually. You're not having anything sacred because you're
accessing fundamentally secularism is one of the most dangerous things because when the context
change
		
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			When the social pressure changes, when the proverbial hits the fan, you're the one who's gonna be
pressing, pressing the button and nailing most of humanity, you're going to be the one invading
nuclear weapons like you did, you're going to be the one pressing the button to kill a lot of
people, Hiroshima, Hiroshima, Nagasaki Case in point, you're going to be the one who is facilitating
all of these things and pushing the Uighurs into concentration camps, because nothing's required.
And the only thing that's become sacred is your own self and your mics and your and your desires,
which echoes what Nietzsche said. That's why Nietzsche said that, basically, God is dead. He didn't
		
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			say, God is that really in reality, human God is that in the hearts of European man. And when that
happens, you're going to realize we don't have the basis of why that nothing is sacred anymore. And
if you're nothing sacred in northern, you have to be sacred. And then he realized the problem with
that, that everyone's gonna have their own understanding of what is right and wrong. And he
basically almost intellectually raised his hands and said, Well, I have my values, where are yours?
So you know, we should be very, very positive as Muslims saying, we should Well, 100% proud.
		
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			In a non arrogant way, of course, that we believe in the sacred, this, this belief that some things
are sacred, we have red lines, is the thing that preserves humanity. Right, just like the New York
editor, the editor of the New York said, I believe, he said that if Muslims were had taken over
Europe, in the 1940s, we would still have 6 million Jews today, because we believe in the sacred and
that includes life that includes, you know, more reference points. Do you know the name of the
writer? Yeah, he's the he was he was the editor of the New York Times, it was about four or five
years ago, he said this, I think, I just want to share this as well. So I'm only article.
		
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			No, no, no, I don't know the article. But no, it was it was, it was a lecture. It was an interview
with Maggie Hassan, I believe. Okay. Right, write that down, and then surely, you'd be able to find
it. So I just wanted to share this with you as well. So there was a video I did with Dr. Van
cloudron. So he was someone who was an anti Islamic politician, that the videos got on good
etiquette. And in this video, basically, we talked about
		
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			the the tactics that many of these anti muslim apologists or politicians use in order to get what
they want, in order to feed things into the media, we've already established earlier on in the
stream that there is a skew that tends to paint Muslims in a very bad light. And the politicians
know this, and they take advantage of that. And one of the things we ended up touching on here, we
said they would make a request that they know would be rejected, they know it was absurd. So for
example, they know that they would not be able to ban mosques in Europe, but they would put the
request in and so and basically, the tactic is you ask and you ask politely, and you, you know, you
		
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			do so with a suit on and your tie and you've got your back straight and you look, you know, fresh
and smart, but you ask and you put the request in. And so long as you're asking properly, it gets
taken to the
		
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			you know, the government and they start they have to discuss it. And when they're discussing it,
they tried this all about ascetics, they put on this, you know, straight face, and they look serious
and dignified, and you know, that they're talking in, you know, with good speech, in the sense that
they sound clever. And then they're awkward. Other video. Yeah. And then they're crazy. Opposite
opposition. Yeah, they go mentally, absolutely mental. And then they get exactly what they want to
go look. Yeah, they look crazy, like are they're screaming, they're irrational. They're this,
they're that. And then the media take this and post it everywhere. And it feeds the narrative, and
		
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			they get what they want. And so you know, if you and you've got to, you've got to be wary of this.
And, and so basically, the emphasis is just have good etiquette. And Prophet Mohammed Tillerson was
one of the best of those who had good etiquette. And, you know, we need to follow in his example,
and many people came to Islam, not because it's not even because of argumentation or anything like
that, but simply because of the character of the Prophet Mohammed Salah Salem, you know, he was he
was a great example. And he acted in ways counter to how people would expect him to act in certain
circumstances. So, you know, one of these common contentions people put towards Muslims is oh, you
		
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			know, Islam tells you to just murder everyone and blah, blah, blah. And then they often go, Well,
you know, the, you've got the meccan and the Medina and verses and the Medina verses override the
meccan. And they become a lot more violent. So if this narrative is true, that you're trying to push
then when obviously the the conquering of Mecca came after the Medina period, and if that was the
narrative, if it was simply kill everyone, then you would have seen absolute bloodshed of
		
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			On the conquering of Mecca, if that's not what you saw, he walked in there wasn't a single.
		
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			There wasn't a fight. He walked in, he didn't kill anyone. There was mercy. And there was people in
there that had been oppressing muslims for years. And none of that happened. And what did he
utilize? mocking or anything like that? Did what did he do night? He good, other good character and
hamdulillah that led so many more people to Islam after that as well. Can I ask one more question?
		
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			I was gonna say, it's probably best we tried to get it because so many people use of is the online
boss here. I'm not good at stuff like this. So I need a little bit
		
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			about history about one ever Buddhism.
		
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			I know Buddhists, and this is like a history of Buddhist where I'm from Sri Lanka. In a paper, they
suffer from recency bias. in Sri Lanka, they don't, especially the singer put it they carry out this
violence for the past 10 year, burning, most spreading hate speech, and they'll spot or 500 houses.
But none of those parties remember any of this happen. They only remember that Easter Sunday attack
that took place. And they don't remember 1983 where the massacre 3000 times they remember none of
them. And then they all act like even the genocide of Rwanda. They don't even recognize that one. So
I just want to know if you know any books.
		
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			So I can read. Usually, you see, Buddhists are not homogeneous. They're not all the same. Buddhists,
one two that are different to the bullets you find in Thailand, or the ones you find in Sri Lanka
and all that. And it depends maybe one person has inspired Islamophobia. in Sri Lanka. I've been
personally involved in protests outside 10 Downing Street, when some of our brothers were attacked
in Sri Lanka by these extremists, Buddhists, Buddhists. And some Muslims are killed, too. I've been
personally involved in this, you know, cause in defending our brothers and sisters in Sri Lanka. And
it's very unfortunate. And one of the solutions is my brother's is to launch online campaigns
		
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			educate people online, there is no restriction online. No one can block you from internet. So what
we need is some Sri Lankan brothers, who are better aware of the local history and local culture,
they need to produce content online, write articles, raise awareness, gets the Lankan Muslims on
board, get the youth on board, and educate them, give them the confidence they need, and then they
will start speaking up, and then the government will have to listen to them. Unfortunately, this
window of Islamophobia blowing all over the world. What happened in Burma with the Rohingya people?
What happened to Muslims in Sri Lanka, what's happening to Muslims in India, or what's happening to
		
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			Muslims in China, what's happening to Muslims in other parts of the world, even in France is not is
not an accident. It is all coordinated. It is being coordinated. And Islamophobia is the
intellectual intellectual stimulus behind this, you know, the intellectual impetus is coming from
islamophobes, those ideologues who are writing articles writing books, and causing people to hate
Islam. So the solution is institutions like sapiens, and we need to do this work, educate our
people. There is no other shortcut. There is no other shortcut. Even this is not a shortcut. It will
take us a while to educate our people, maybe five to 10 years, maybe a generation, but let's start
		
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			the process. That's why we need support. This is why we need people to come forward and support our
work, because we can educate the people why Islam is not worth abandoning. Why Islam is is not going
to to be beyond the backfoot rather, we will defend our faith, we feel proud of it. We are confident
that Islam is the heart it is the truth, we are not going to abandon it at any cost. So earlier,
brother use have mentioned something very interesting that they these are walls, they actually want
to destroy Islam, they're not going to rest
		
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			or they're not going to to, you know,
		
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			they're not going to take you know, any lighter steps. They are moving towards destroying Islam,
ideologically, geographically. You know, you name it politically. very open about as well. They're
not trying to hide that. Sorry. They're very open about it as well. They're not trying to hide it.
We're not hiding. We're not hiding. Look. There was no presidents talking like this. President
Macron of France. He didn't hide his sentiments.
		
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			Trump during his election campaign, he was saying the kinds of things you could never imagine 20
years ago. Right. And BJP in India. Look at that. Even the president of Sri Lanka. Yeah, exactly.
Exactly, exactly. So we really need to raise awareness. Education is our solution. Education is our
way out. That's why brother has shown we really want you to encourage everyone to support our call
tonight. And don't hesitate. We need Institute you know why these massacres are taking place? Why
these atrocities are taking place? Because we have been dehumanized. First we were demonized. And
then we have been dehumanized, our humanity has been taken away from us. Okay, so a lot of people
		
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			don't feel sorry for us anymore. They don't they don't see us as humans. This is because we are not
defending our faith, because we are not educating people. We're not giving confidence to our own
youth to defend this faith. That's why building the engine is the theme tonight, so that we can have
this engine run so that this engine can pull the train of intellectual defense of Islam. We want
defenders, we want youngsters to stand up and this is what we wanted to Lanka you from. Okay. I'm
sure there are Muslim youngsters in Sri Lanka who are reading this content. I'm sure there are
Muslim youngsters in Bangladesh. Because we are receiving calls, we are receiving messages. We are
		
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			having people interact with us from India, from Bangladesh, from America, from Canada, from Sweden
from Norway, we've we've had all sorts of people are coming in and asking questions and interacting
with us. This shows that our work is influencing people. And this is why you need to support it. We
need to increase this influence insha Allah Allah May Allah bless you,
		
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			Jesus
		
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			for your questions, who shall Allah bless you?
		
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			Okay, so I just wanted to draw attention as also the the brother that donated before
		
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			did ask a question, but you'd left so I'm just gonna pop that up now if you don't mind.
		
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			For you, but the red man so so can you please quickly touch on this pattern and sees in his latest
book, Helen afterlife that he thought lace lamb did not explicitly warn off the hellfire. And also
the Old Testament isn't explicitly warning off it, which puts the the warning of our prophets I said
I'm in strict flight. What's your views on that? Certainly, the brother that donated the 1500
earlier on.
		
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			Okay, so sorry, repeat the question. Can you summarize the question for me? Yeah. So
		
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			Herman says, * and afterlife that he said did not explicitly warn of the * and also that Old
Testament is not explicitly warning of it. Such puts the warning, sorry, which puts the warnings of
prophets wassalam in a strict light. What's your view on that? It is true that the Old Testament
does not give any clear indications of the concept of Hellfire and punishment in the hereafter. It
is true, but there are beliefs, the Jews had beliefs in the hereafter. And there are books written
on that. I cannot remember the name of this book. It's a very interesting book. I was reading
through it not very long ago. But Jesus did warn people of the hereafter. He did warn people, you
		
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			know, his parables. If you read them carefully. His parables do have indications that he was born in
people of the Hereafter, you know, the life after death. So we have indications in the teaching of
Jesus Christ. Plus, there's another issue. We don't have everything Jesus taught. We only have
snippets. We only have sound bites. We don't have what Jesus taught for three years.
		
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			We don't even know what Jesus, you know, did most of the time, right? Like we have from the province
on lives alone. In this tradition, we have 5000 reports at least if not more authentic reports,
right from the Prophet sallallahu sallam, how much do we have from Jesus? Okay, hardly anything,
even in the four gospels, that information that's attributed to him is minimal. So, you can't assume
that Jesus didn't speak about Hellfire and other things to do with the hereafter. He spoke a lot
about these things. And there are still indications even though we have very little for him, there
are still indications that he spoke of the hereafter. He you know, use parables to explain his view
		
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			on this right or good answers your question.
		
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			Please, match this brother or sisters planation inshallah, okay. He or she donated 1500 euros. We
want someone to match that or we want someone to continue trying to match that. Whether it's 100
pounds, or 200 pounds or 300 pounds. Do not hesitate. By the way. There is some strange silence
outside it may well be relatable
		
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			But we don't know. You know, I don't know. I'm the looks look outside on the window, the sky is
clear. And
		
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			you know if, if there is peace outside, I wouldn't be surprised it might be able to cover who knows
will lie seriously, I'm not even joking, right? So if it's lighter to cover your loaded, trust me,
if I was to announce with certainty that tonight is definitely later to further This is the fatwa
board membership. You know, if people believed me if people believe me, it's a big if they will
donate non stop, you will have I think 3040 50,000 pounds donated to later because people would they
would go crazy. But how do you know it's not Laila to private? How do you know it's not Laila to
cuddle? How can you assume that? So my brothers sisters, if it is, if it is Layla together and you
		
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			made the donation tonight, your load it, you have made a donation as if you've done it for more than
1000 months, okay, at all the people we empower through these educational programs, all the people
we empower through, let's say, our articles, or webinars or seminars or books, our research and our
translations, or Ly, you will have a reward in that anyone who comes to Islam or anyone who gains
eemaan, you will be rewarded for that. So let's not belittle this and get the donations going.
		
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			TJ, you need to be strategic with your soccer. What do I mean by that, for example, we try to be
that we try to be the engine behind the dour. So this is where you get the maximum reward in the
beginning. Because for example, if you support us, and we train the likes of the volunteers,
outreach volunteers at the Blue Mosque in Istanbul, that have over four to have around four to 5
million visitors each year, imagine the hearts they can transform the Shahada they can get if the
train effectively and that's what we did this year, we train them. Our instructors have trained
students from Medina University, you mom's a mashgiach, from Europe, Canada, and North America. If
		
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			you empower these individuals, and they go out there on their massive platforms, and get loads of
Shahada, as you begin one of the rewards just by supporting us because we're the initial engine. And
that's what you have to take seriously. This is not i'm not making things up. We have trained people
from Medina University, we have trained to at the dollar looms across this country, we have trained
people imaams the students of knowledge from Canada, North America, in Europe. So, us being the
engine and you supporting us at this stage ensures you get the maximum reward. So be strategic with
your sadhika.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			Absolutely. I agree. You know, look, if we are educating enough teachers and leaders, those who will
represent Islam, on all sorts of levels, whether they become journalists, whether they become
politicians, whether they become teachers, professors, authors, writers, points, intellectual,
whatever they become having gone through us training system, they will become the defenders of the
week, the miskeen that brutalized the killed and the massacred, and the list goes on the capacitor
district and all these people who are dying in Rohingya region, or in Sri Lanka, or in China, you
know, this wouldn't happen to us if we had enough educated people representing us. If we had enough
		
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			powerful minds in the world to represent us. We have the ability, we have the legacy, we have the
history, we have all the virtues in our basket, we just need to reclaim them. We need to revive
them, we need to wake up to them. And this is what Sapiens is doing. Can you not support can you
afford to not support this institution? not supporting this institution would be a catastrophe. It
would be a disaster. Not only that we need grassroot Dawa, not that not only that we need people to
come to Islam in places like Africa or South America and like, we all need this intellectual
leadership.
		
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			We need Muslim intellectuals on all different levels of the world, in schools and colleges and
universities, in politics, okay. In in militaries, for example, in think tanks, we need people to
influence policies, people to influence decisions, people to counter Islamophobia on all sorts of
different levels. Okay, enough is enough. Gone are the days of negligence. Gone are the days of
sitting in the masjid reading the Quran crying and expecting a lot to change the world. No, you have
to implement the Quran. The Quran screams at you the parent tells you Okay,
		
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			that that is the first commandment of Allah gave
		
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			us
		
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			those five verses. Yeah, your mother. Come for under what up back of a cupboard or the one who
covers himself. Stand. Stand now stand and warn people. This is the time
		
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			Now you need to stand on how do we stand, we stand by supporting those who have already stood, who
are already standing. Okay? So you can become part of this campaign by supporting us Sapiens
institute.org. forward slash donate live is the link brothers to do not be literally just go and
look at the work. Go to the website and see the kind of work this organization has produced in the
last nine months or less inspirational. It's amazing. It's beautiful. It is intellectual power, we
need it. We need leaders, we not only lead followers and soldiers, we need leaders. When I say
soldiers, I'm talking about power, okay? People who are doing Dawa on the ground. Well, they are
		
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			important, and those who are writing books and articles and producing videos and giving answers to
all sorts of questions coming away. They are also very important, they are our leaders. And that's
what we are raising funds tonight for building the engine, the engine that pulls the train the
engine that facilitates
		
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			smooth moving of the caravan. So we need those engines. And we need we need those people to
administer to operate this engine. So we need your support. You cannot belittle this, my brothers
and sisters share the link far and wide. And copy and paste this link on your WhatsApp groups. Even
if the appeal ends tonight when it does end. Do not forget the link just copy and paste that link
Sapiens institute.org forward slash donate live and then paste it everywhere on your
		
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			on your wall. You know every single one of you I'm pretty sure has access to let's say at least five
to 10 WhatsApp groups you know, with friends with cousins with uncles and Auntie's with parents with
families, whatever, paste this link there and say please make a donation and that will be your drop
down inshallah. Okay, so I'm gonna invite on board, brother in mind, Collie he's been waiting for a
long time. Okay, but wait, I want him to smile. First game on.
		
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			There he is.
		
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			Yeah, my life kokako
		
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			looked very serious. Waiting that I wanted to smile before you came on. You look very serious. No, I
was you know, I didn't want to like
		
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			I don't know. It's just my personality. I don't. I don't fool around, you know, but anyways.
		
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			Salam Alaikum
		
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			Yeah, but uh,
		
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			honestly, I don't have any questions. I just want to come here and listen to you guys. Because I
watched a lot of podcasts
		
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			from the brothers and in the Europe scene.
		
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			And I'd like to say that I appreciate the knowledge that you guys bring forth.
		
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			Especially some some of the Tao is man.
		
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			inshallah one day Oh,
		
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			oh,
		
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			I'd like to be a dormant myself. inshallah. I'm already in practice, you know, like, it starts from
the within. So like,
		
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			when people see see that you're really like, humble, like, good person, basically. And they get
intrigued on that, right. So it's, you know, humankind's you, you got to go slow with them.
		
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			Especially in this time of age. So
		
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			Exactly. Hey, you're so right, bro. I think what we need to revive is like prophetic mercy. You
know, it's very important to always understand the default position when we're giving down we're
engaging with people when we're trying to win over hearts and minds as to you know, the process was
a Rama and mercy to all the worlds. Allah says in the Quran, that it was of Allah's mercy, that you
were soft hearted with them, had you been harsh hearted, then, you know, they would have run away
from you. And, you know, the President said in a hadith that, you know, kindness and compassion, you
know, elevates things if you face things if you remove it from something, it makes it ugly, if you
		
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			if you add it to something, it just elevates. It makes it beautiful. So compassion beautifies
everything. Musa alayhis salam was taught to speak to the most worst creature in the world leader in
softly email. Could it be said that if Musa alayhis salaam had to speak to Pharaoh in this way,
imagine how we must speak to anybody else? and so on and so forth. So the default position is always
mercy and that's why it's when some of us are the de Arte whoever they are, they start as a default
as harsh then this person has not understood the Quran and the Sunnah. Don't get me wrong, there is
places we have to be positively assertive. And you have to, you know, lay down and you have to be
		
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			but that has context moral context is
		
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			Sam is based on virtue ethics what's virtue ethics you consider the moral variables the moral
variables there and but the default position is always being kind and always being merciful and this
is exactly what we need to revive deserve to
		
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			hear some stories just like the
		
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			theory you have like fighting fire with fire so you can't really put out fire with fire but um
		
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			I wanted to say something a metaphor I forgot wanted to say
		
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			base
		
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			sorry I forgot
		
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			to say happens that's fine we'll
		
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			do this to bring someone else on and then yeah, sure, sure. Yeah, I gotta go anyway. Oh wait wait
wait wait, I think I found it basically I was gonna say like
		
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			Oh yeah.
		
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			I was talking about like people people
		
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			in the I mean not like Muslim in the social media.
		
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			I feel like you guys have done a really good job and don't lose hope these people out there who are
in the hidden like like like you mentioned before, and the hidden are really good people in the head
and so just keep keep keep in mind that
		
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			we're stronger here you know? hamdulillah
		
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			Allah bless him. Allah Michael. Why while a console ama
		
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			Thank you so much. We lost for the Hamza at the very moment we lost
		
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			a penny I'm just need to tell the lighter. Okay. Neverland sisters, may Allah bless you all. for
your support thus far, it's been amazing and continue to support us, we need your support. The
reason why I keep mentioning this is because I cannot emphasize this point enough ally. The need to
have intellectual leadership is paramount. Currently in this Omar lie. We need more and more people
who are intellectually trained. We have had giants in the past, the best scholars in the world the
best philosophers, the best thinkers, the best intellectuals the best points, the best scientists
the best book collectors. The best bookmaker, the book writer, you name it. We are the largest
		
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			libraries in the world in the Muslim drama civilization, a thunderous millions of bucks. You know,
when in 1492, Isabella and Ferdinand they took the last stronghold from the Muslims, the city of
Granada or the state of Granada. They burnt 1 million books
		
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			that they knew that was the power of Muslims. This is where the power lies. The Mongols when they
attacked Baghdad in 1258, and kill the last Basset cave. They, they dumped millions of books from
the library about that or the Royal library about that into the river tickets. Okay, the river
became black with ink. It was black eyewitnesses have narrated, if I'm not mistaken, that that the
the water of the river was black. This is what Muslims produced the libraries of Central Asia, the
observatories, we the Muslim civilization, we're the we're the biggest power hub in the world, when
it came to education. How can we now be struggling to raise funds to create that same impact we had
		
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			once upon a time no one stopping us from blaming others. We want to stop we want to we really want
to tell you stop blaming others for sabotaging your work or stopping your progress. No, we are
stopping our progress. We're not supporting the people who can help us. So we need to support the
people to educate our leaders to create leaders to produce leaders that they can lead us and this is
what we want to do tonight, building the engine the engine that will call the intellectual dour for
us, it will pull the train of intellectual power. Okay. This is why we are raising the funds
tonight. So the linguist Sapiens institute.org forward slash Donate Life. Don't build it on this.
		
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			Don't belittle it don't take it lightly. Don't think oh, because it's not orphans. Because it's not,
you know, there would be no orphans. There would be no
		
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			refugee camps in Lebanon, and in Burma or in Bangladesh, or in, let's say, you know, any anywhere
else in the world where Muslims are suffering, Muslims are the largest number of refugees in the
world. Why? Have you ever thought about this Why?
		
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			It is because we don't have enough leadership, effective leadership to lead our power intellectually
to convince people that we are a force for good. We're not a problem. We are a solution. For let's
start making a difference by making
		
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			You know, donations and supporting institutions like the CP destitute needs your support, to
continue with the great work it has done for the last nine months. And we want to continue in this
spirit in the coming years and Sharla. Let's see what we can do together, I want those 1000 pounds
or 2000 pounds or 3000 pounds, donations coming in, you're sitting on that money, don't sit on it.
Because the more we have leadership, the more we have intellectuals, the more we have this
education, the less they will be catastrophes, massacre genocides against Muslims, I can guarantee
you that mark my words, mark my word, because it is the minds it is the intellectuals who write
		
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			policies for you will guide you
		
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			will give you solutions against problems like this so that you don't fall into this pit again and
again. You need the mines, we need the mines. And this is what we are working on in sha Allah. May
Allah bless you all. Okay, let's see what we're doing. Okay, so is there anyone else who wants to
come? Yeah, so we've got another few guesses.
		
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			So Abdullah Osman Salaam Alaikum.
		
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			I wasn't going on.
		
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			So basically, I had a question regarding the problem of evil. So recently, I was having a discussion
with another
		
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			non user, he was the AG, he was an agnostic person. And then basically said that he couldn't like
fathom his mind around the problem of evil. So I basically said that you What if you could look at
evil in like a situation where evil was as random. So like, gods, like, randomly distributes evil,
not evil, like hardship to different people. And since it wasn't as random, it's also just because
		
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			there isn't like, a bias towards other people, or to or other like, certain people. And through
that, basically, it would be
		
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			at the same time God would test you, but at the same time, it would be just So would that approach
be correct? Or is that is that flawed?
		
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			I don't think we can say things are random, Allah subhanaw. taala says in the Quran, that everything
has a purpose, he does all things with the wisdom, the biggest issue is basically the people, they
they fix their gaze when it comes to the problem of evil, so much on the dunya, that they don't
really consider the afterlife at all. With regards to this issue. So this month, an example I've
come across, which is sort of typical of this issue is they'll say, you know, it's imagine you've
got someone driving along, in a car, and they see a baby in the backseat and the baby's walking
towards an open door, and is about to fall out of this moving vehicle and off a cliff, and is going
		
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			to die. If the person doesn't do what they can to stop and they have the power to they can stop that
child from being harmed, then are they are they not evil, if they don't do that, and so that,
obviously this analogy is,
		
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			in a way, trying to obviously make a comparison with Allah subhanaw taala. And the reason I say this
kind of analogy fails. And this is typical of what makes the problem of evil, the problem of evil
that Allah subhanaw taala has the power to prevent these things from happening. And he doesn't these
things occur still. Now the issue is, is that none of this considers the fact and especially with
this kind of example, that there is an afterlife, that those who suffer in this world can have it
made up to them. And a good example. It's like a dream. If you've ever had a nightmare, the end,
I've had night, pretty scary nightmares as well. And when you have them your stroke with fear, you
		
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			can feel pain in them. There's there's all sorts going on. And when you wake up as traumatizing, as
it was, while you're having it, when you wake up, it's no longer an issue. When you wake up, you can
even forget about it. And the same thing happens here with regards to whatever you experienced in
life. When you quote unquote wake up that is when you enter Paradise as the Hadees that the problem
answer lesson, says, the one who had the most suffering, and that anyone's ever experienced in a
life he lived a long life of nothing but pain and torture. You could take him and dip a foot into
paradise or just a toe. And all that fun. I was asked him has he felt pain? And he will say No, I've
		
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			never felt pain. And the same could be said for the one who said nothing but pleasure in this life.
We look at this life and go oh, how's it how's he getting everything that he's getting? Now? He's a
cruel person. He's an evil person. He gets this and this and that. That very same person would have
fought or at all dipped into hellfire. And it will be asked Did you ever feel pleasure? And you'll
say no. So the the issue here is bigger than just this dunya. The issue here is that people have
very little foresight in terms of the fact that Allah subhanaw taala has infinite power. He has the
ability to make up for whatever you've been through in this world, whatever evil you face, whatever
		
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			pain whatever suffering regardless of whether it was for a day or for a century
		
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			Allah subhanho wa Taala could make up for that. And then again, and then again and then again
forever. And no matter how much you go through in this life, no matter how much evil you experience,
and in the grand scheme of things is going to seem extremely arbitrary in terms of how much Allah
subhanaw taala can give you. And as a result of that, and again, it's testament to the the test that
we go through Allah subhanaw taala does not put anyone under anything that they can't overcome.
		
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			Yeah, yeah, I understand that. And that's the position that I personally hold. And I saw that when
you're when you're communicating with atheists, and like other people like that, it's it gets hard
because they don't really like believe in afterlife. And yeah, I basically, like, tried to maneuver
out of what they were trying to say.
		
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			make that clear? Yeah, no, that's fine. This winter, you don't have to expect them to believe what
you say, right? Your criticism of our religion, your criticism of you know, whether or not Allah
subhanaw taala is, you know, causing evil unnecessarily. The whole counter example that they put
forward, the only way this counter example works is is that they, for the sake of argument, assume
that God exists in order so that they can give you the argument. They don't believe in God, but they
still say, Well, you know, we've got real, you know, it begins with that, that presupposition, if
God is real, then how come there is evil. And then it's like, well, if God is real, it's not just
		
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			how come there is evil, there is also well, if God is real, there is also an afterlife. If God is
real, then he can make he's all powerful. If God is real, he has the ability to make up for whatever
amount of suffering you've been through, not just once or countless times. So there is no argument
of evil, the presence of evil on this world, is finite nature, whatever amount of pain or suffering
or evil you experience, Allah subhanaw taala, can make up for it countless amount of times, and so
it dissolves, it becomes nothing. It's like the, you know, the child who gets a thorn in their
thumb, and they make a big deal about it, and they scream about Now, obviously, that there are much
		
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			more serious versions of this that happen on Earth, but in the same way, as the child doesn't have
the foresight doesn't have the, the experience of, you know, the greater world of things, in
totality, that they see these little problems as bigger than they are. And, you know, obviously,
that just is
		
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			multiplied, when we get older, you know, there is a lot going on in the universe, there's a lot
going on all around the world. And, and as much as we go through Allah subhanaw taala, again,
doesn't put us through anything that we can overcome. And he can make up for it, he can give you
untold rewards in the hereafter. And
		
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			yes,
		
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			that's my question. I had a similar initial question. I was recently watching a debate between shake
or someone and with David Wood. And in that debate, they were discussing basically like, how, um,
and basically, like, the attributes of like, training of the Trinity basically, would suggest, like
they were just basically, shakers, mine basically said that it's illogical to think that how could
like the Son of God or God be, like, physically begin? And then the other apologists basically
responded with saying, how is it illogical uses that assumption that's illogical. So I want to know,
from like, when a Christian basically says, How is it illogical? Or will we respond? And I kind of
		
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			reflected on this, and I basically think that When, when, let's say, you say an attribute of God is
like, beget like, like, they say, like, the sun is like an attribute of God, they basically try to
say that, let's say it's begin. Now, I would say that it would be contingent, therefore, it would be
a contradiction, right?
		
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			No,
		
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			well, this, this, Jesus, his existence is dependent upon his mother, but he's a dependent being is
not independent. Yeah. And you know, that he's, he doesn't know the hour, he's, he lacks knowledge.
There's, there's a lot of things he doesn't have. The reason it's a combo, gone, but unfortunate
with Marvin Gaye was that the fact that he was born of Mary, he was in the womb of a mother and he
came from private. This is, this is, this is a God who's contingent, who will depend on his mother
to clean him to feed him. And I also give another example very often, is that when you were
circumcised on the seventh day, did he cry, or did he laugh? And the answer would be he was crying.
		
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			So there is there is God who is crying and you're circumcising him against his wish. The child is
crying, he's in pain. And and you're saying that's God, and we're circumcising him, even though he's
crying, we're still gonna do it. So of course, the Christian come back and they say that this was
the human side of Jesus. This is a human Jesus Christ. Divine
		
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			problem. They
		
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			Keep putting Jesus into the divine body when it suits them, and then they put him in the human body
when it suits them, it's just very different difficult to deal with people like that. Also, man
could have mentioned something else, you know, in my opinion, he could have told them, they were
trying to get into the attributes debate, you could have said, Okay, if Allah has attributes, which
he does, those attributes do not become separate persons, those attributes, for example, Allah,
mercy is not a separate person. Allah Roth is not a separate person, Allah's creation, or his
creating power, which is an attribute he's on call. You know, he's the Creator, that creating power
		
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			is not a separate person. But these guys believe that the Son, who is one God with the Father, but
the son is a separate person, with a separate way of thinking, a person is a person when that person
has a separate will and a separate mind. Right? We don't say that about a lost part of our lives
attribute, they don't become separate persons they are with Allah, those attributes or are of Allah.
		
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			So this is where the debate could have been summarized much quicker. But it was an interesting
discussion. Nevertheless.
		
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			It is aka for hard work. I'm actually in high school and I don't really have the funds to donate,
but I will donate $25 but in the last 10 days, and that's like as much as like,
		
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			if you
		
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			do have what you do have a family you have friends who may or may be able to do it. Yeah, I'm gonna
share the link in the stream and everything.
		
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			For your work. Thank brocco fixer, Molly.
		
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			Thank you so much, brother, sisters. On that note, please remember why we are here. We are here to
build the engine. What engine are we talking about? We're talking about the intellectual train the
engine that will pull that intellectual not by Sorry, I'm gonna let you guys continue. I have
another live stream in about 11 minutes. So I have to jump
		
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			in because in between that I have to kind of freshen up and stuff. So every single one of you
brothers and sisters is one of the old Knights. Please help us support dude, the engine to do the
intellectual engine behind a lot of the dour. Sometimes you see a lot of things that are happening
and you won't realize that you are actually behind it. So when I leave, I want brother Youssef to
show one of the videos the running video.
		
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			That that no, I can't see video. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Show that video for them. So they understand the
point here is that we're basically going to
		
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			give it to the beginning at the beginning of the dialer. Yes, you give it to the other stages, it
was very important. But you could be the first if you like in the beginning, where you're going to
maximize your reward, because you're going to be supporting that engine that facilitates the dog.
No, I got actually an email from one of the African outreach specialists in IRA. Yeah. About his
training that he's been following us for the past employed at mine.
		
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			Wow. Yeah.
		
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			It was such a beautiful email. He's actually been following the workshops and seminars, I believe.
		
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			That's amazing. Yeah.
		
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			A lot. A lot of the outreach specialists from different parts of the world attended our webinars, I
think our courses as well.
		
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			Yeah, he seems very smart with lots of watercolor. So the reason I'm mentioning that is because we
want to provide be the engine to facilitate the dialogue.
		
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			And if you want to be strategically satisfied, then we're here. Every single one of you don't
forget, I was going to after the video and I was going to say what we achieved and what we want to
improve.
		
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			tell you about the amazing things that we will achieve and I'm telling you gonna be compelled that
you want to be part of this. As for me, I love this you
		
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			yourself.
		
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			You're not tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, it's gonna come with a lot
		
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			of love. So I'll play that video now. And then but none can
		
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			mentioned what put the hands rest into this more. Or are Sapiens Institute doing? What are they
doing? I can't see what they're doing. I can't see it. Many times is the most impactful work is
being done behind the scenes, social media can sometimes print a false veneer on what really
matters. And instead of striving for impact, we start chasing vanity metrics. Soybean industry has
been very cognizant of this. And that is why from our very inception, we decided to focus on impact.
We did this by formulating and delivering various programs to empower, educate, and mentor leaders
to share and defend Islam academically and intellectually. You might be aware of the fruits of some
		
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			of these programs, but not aware
		
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			sapience was behind them in the world famous Blue Mosque in Istanbul, which is estimated to have
almost 4 million visitors. annually. There is an office responsible for providing visitors with
information about the deen Sapiens Institute delivered and advanced our training course to the
volunteers of the Blue Mosque in Istanbul. Not only did they learn about effective academic
intellectual arguments about the deen, but also they learned techniques and initiate conversations
with visitors of the mosque using emotional intelligence along with cultural sensitivity. That is,
in fact, our instructors have officially delivered advanced training courses to imams students from
		
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			Medina University from various dental rooms brothers and sisters This is just the tip of the
iceberg. Satan's impact is being felt all around the world. Even if you don't see us click the
button now and donate and don't forget to share the video
		
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			Mashallah
		
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			got some good videos coming out with these little short ones. inshallah inshallah. And what I want
to do very quickly to remind people what Sapiens has done in the last six months and what the job
was talking about.
		
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			In the video, that people cannot see what has been achieved, because unfortunately, not everyone is
interested in intellectual power or defending Islam intellectually, but it is absolutely crucial for
us to have this sort of treatment for our Muslim brothers sisters, sapiens, Sapiens Institute
trained 6000 over 6000 people to defend and share Islam online and offline. cepii visited developed
and delivered over 33 academic webinars, delivered 10 in depth online courses and seminars,
delivered advanced training to blue most outreach team, which has access to 44 million visitors
every year, published three books already researched and published 13 essays and articles launched
		
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			free online lighthouse mentoring service, privately mentored ex Muslims, art and people without
produced 30 sapient thoughts, videos, launched our free education platform ready for content
published various translations of our work in Turkish and Spanish. And by the way, some of our works
have been translated into more languages Hamza has book the divine reality has been translated into
Persian into Urdu into Arabic and other languages. What do we aim to do in the next year year or
two? Which is why we are asking for your support, what we aim to do, we aim to publish a book on
dealing with doubts within the next year inshallah. Hopefully, lighthouse mentoring service will be
		
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			strengthened. And of course the service will be developed further deal with people's questions and
doubts.
		
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			Okay, through this lighthouse mentoring service, new education platform with free courses and
seminars to teach how to differentiate Islam academically intellectually. So that will be
strengthened and develop further new essays and research will be coming out on different topics.
		
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			new book on science and religion, basically reconciliation between science and religion and explain,
		
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			you know how we need to approach this topic, debates and discussion with renowned academic so that
we can give confidence to our youngsters boost their morale, in talking about Islam, videos and
media content will be produced. So this is a lot of work my brother and sister This is not to be
taken lightly. Do you want to be part of this? Absolutely. We have 2 billion Muslims on the planet.
Tell me how many of them are actually doing this kind of work, how many institutions how many
mosques, how many universities Islamic universities are doing this kind of work? Hardly any. This is
thoroughly neglected. This niche is thoroughly neglected. Hence the necessity to support work like
		
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			this where we have intellectuals who can defend Islam academically with confidence. We cannot afford
to ignore this call. So that's why we want you to come forward inshallah and start supporting our
work Sapiens institute.org donate for free.org forward slash donate live is the link and you need to
start supporting right now in Charlotte are my brothers or sisters. And if you can't donate then
share the link. But I don't see why you can't donate. If you understand the importance of this work,
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			absolutely amazing. Allah bless that brother.
		
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			system. I mean, I mean, and also, if you're watching now, don't forget to like the stream to share.
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			Should we bring on another guest for that now?
		
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			You've muted your mic. I think we'll bring someone on. So we've got Mohammed here. salaam aleikum.
		
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			Hello. Hello. Salaam Alaikum? Wa Alaikum. Salaam. How are you brothers? I'm
		
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			smiling. He remembers me immediately. But I cannot hear him he muted this mic proudly. Yeah.
		
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			Yeah.
		
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			I was. I had a question about.
		
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			Well, last time, I mentioned that I live in Turkey. And I live in on Tallinn. And I think there was
a big problem here with the people like not going to the mosque, because brother Hamza suggested
like, I should maybe go out and do the same dollar that you're doing, guys. But it's really hard,
because you have no place like speaker's corner here that you can talk to people and mentioned in
the stuff.
		
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			And my family we were, we were thinking of building a mosque. But when I see those mosques all the
time empty, I think of better off making
		
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			Muslim camp orphan house, that people can eat out,
		
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			get education,
		
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			understand life, within a wave better than then maybe rather going people to the mosque and praying
to God, I mean, that's something that we all have to do, and everyone should do it, but
		
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			and another and another image, if you look at it, people are not getting any indication from that,
that they should have in life. Like I know a lot of people that are orphans, and they grew up and
they ended up in prison, or that or selling drugs and doing those kind of stuff. Because they had no
one above them that supports them financially.
		
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			With or everything like you, you you understand like, even with the dollar's Islam like you
shouldn't do that this is bad, you'll end up in *, they don't have this message that they get
probably in the mosque, because right now if you go to the mosque in Lebanon, all they talk about is
political issues. They don't mention stuff like
		
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			what the Prophet did, how he lived, what the
		
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			what, Omar, the halifa, you know, they don't give this kind of example, in life, how they live so
that they, the other people can take an example out of it and lift the same weight. And I think
that's a major problem. And I think it's better than off of building a mosque because God says like,
we can destroy him, we can destroy all the masks, but human life is more important than that,
because God created.
		
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			But I'm also created by up by a human so that's something different. I think I think we need you
know, mosque is not just a building, mosque, I get that I get it. It is an institution, it should be
an institution, an institution that produces great human beings by making them great Muslims, of
course, right. teaching them about the Prophet, his manners, most importantly, okay, we start we
need to start with other that's the first lesson in Islam. If there is no other there is no Islam.
That's the way I see it. Right. But when it's empty, it's a problem. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And,
and every mosque, if he's not producing people who can lead in the society, then what purpose are
		
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			they serving? Okay, what purpose are they serving? We need more institutions, more mosques with
institutions that are producing leadership, that are producing intellectuals and thinkers. That's
what we need today. Okay. We have plenty of people praying in the mosque, some hamdulillah. I mean,
although most Muslims don't pray all five times a day. But, you know, what we need is leadership. We
are lacking seriously. You know, it's a real problem in the Muslim Ummah, the leadership issue,
right. The problem is here when I go to the mosque, and I see only three people praying in a, in a
big, big mosque, I'm talking about like, it's a huge mosque, but there are only three or four people
		
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			praying in it. And there are a lot of people that are hungry at home, who don't have anything to eat
at night, for example, for the
		
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			after the fast I think this is a problem. I think people should try to
		
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			build
		
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			work like work job places like people can get money out of it and provide food for their families
and at the same time maybe a small mosque for people to pray and, and and learn from it right there.
Because it's like when you see it you you get tears in your eyes when you see people don't have the
food that you're maybe having. You see?
		
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			Yeah, definitely. Oh,
		
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			you know, when I, I feel you and I really hope that people can understand the importance of
supporting,
		
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			institutionalized, institutionalized work that can actually produce leadership. So brother, Muhammad
Yusuf, I think we should end the stream here is a good time for me. Just one last thing. Can I
mention just one last thing? Yes. Yeah, I'm sorry.
		
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			I really encourage encourage every single person to donate because Allah will reward you and in a
way like you won't even imagine how because like, sometimes I don't have even the money to get food
from my own house. But I have a daughter and I get hurt the most important for me it's a feed her
first see. And sometimes I have something left in my pocket and I go and donate this money. And then
suddenly after a day or two, I get it like, like you cannot even imagine how much money I get back.
And I say like where did this come from? And then I think oh, okay, I get it I under God, thank you.
I understand that. Like I encourage every single person to do that because if you give God will give
		
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			you even more than even wish for.
		
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			And thank you very much for everything that you're doing. I really appreciate it.
		
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			I watch you all the time guys even when you under the rain under the heat
		
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			every single time I watch you and I pray for you and thank you very much in jazak Allahu Allah
		
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			for joining us.
		
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			Thank you. Thank you. I think on that note, we should end this livestream is the whole time for me.
Yeah, a few minutes left. So I'm gonna I'm gonna take the leaf if you permit me yeah and right now
and I've got maybe five or seven minutes or something like that. No, I'm sure we end on a video The
maybe the I got fish one. Yeah, play the video and end the stream and on our brothers sisters, those
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			Malanga flower the corner to liberal user.
		
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			Fish. Comment ever buddy now one pound fish, one pound fish, one pound fish, three fish.
		
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			Cover your cover.
		
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