Adnan Rashid – Deaf Dumb And Blind Qadiani Cant Defend The Failed Prophecies
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The speakers discuss various prophecies and their inaccuracies, including a prediction of a woman dying from the coronavirus, a woman claiming to have been born to Mansoor Muhammad, and a woman named Missus Q Lem. They stress the importance of not acknowledging and debating the predictions of the gods and the significance of the secondcent Chinese Caliph. They also mention false statements about the presence of plague and the return of the dragon to the gods. The segment ends with a brief advertisement for a book.
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Mirza Sahib said that Manzoor Muhammad and Mohammadi
Begum, this couple, they will have a son.
Mirza Sahib gave the names of that son
as well.
But this woman, she gave birth to a
girl.
And then Mirza Sahib said that this woman
will remain alive and she will eventually give
birth to a son.
But this woman died.
Now, our question is, how was this prophecy
fulfilled?
OK, good question.
I'm going to bring in the next guest.
Participant.
Yes, please.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
OK.
Omar, are you there?
Yes.
Assalamu alaikum.
Wa alaikum salam.
Where are you calling from, Omar?
UK.
OK, that's good.
No problem.
Go ahead.
Did you listen to the question, by the
way?
Yes, I think I understood it.
JazakAllah for this stream.
I have to say, as I am an
Ahmadi, I'm not a scholar, I'm not a
murabbi, I'm not super well trained in all
this stuff.
And I have to say that listening to
you, listening to things that you have said,
to be honest, I have to say, Alhamdulillah,
my faith has been greatly strengthened because honestly,
if these are the best shots that you
have, it's very, very telling.
I mean, let's have a look at the
premises of your entire argument here.
Your whole argument is not, you know, let's
critique these strong prophecies of the Prophet.
It's let's try and find one or two.
Maybe we can say these possibly were not
fulfilled.
And let's let's review for a moment what
you've actually said.
So the first one which you quoted was
not actually a prophecy.
It was a report of a Hadith and
interpretation.
So the first one you felt the second
one, right?
Which one are you referring to?
The first, the first.
What was it?
Do you know what it was?
With the 40 years, 80 years issue?
No, no, no.
We are dealing with a different prophecy now.
There's a reason I asked you, did you
understand the prophecy?
No, no.
You got two minutes because you need to
make the point.
You've already used up 30 seconds of it.
I don't really understand how you can say
there's an invitation to answer your questions.
Well, this is the same rule for everyone.
You're not special.
You've only got two minutes, but let me
race through the points.
Okay.
Have you been watching the live stream?
Have you been watching it?
So are you not aware of the rules?
Can I answer?
Yes, you can.
So the second thing that you brought was
actually the age prophecy.
And you didn't even argue that the prophecy
was not fulfilled, which is remarkable.
You never argued that the prophecy was not
known.
Okay.
You know, to be honest, if he's not
going to answer the question, I'm going to
bring the next caller.
This is how they waste time.
I don't want this.
No, no, no, no.
This guy has the audacity to come and
say that we didn't claim that the prophecy
was not fulfilled.
You are either deaf, dumb, or blind.
You don't know.
Either you can't see us, you can't hear
us, or maybe there is something wrong with
your senses.
We have been saying for the last three
hours.
In fact, when we were discussing with Ahmed
first and then Razi, we were saying repeatedly
the prophecy is unfulfilled.
It is falsified because he claimed as a
prophecy that I will die between 74 to
86 years.
And then we have shown repeatedly conclusively that
he was a liar of the top grade.
And he repeatedly contradicted himself.
Okay.
And then he, by the virtue of his
own writings, he is a deranged person because
he contradicted himself so much.
And then he himself wrote that God cannot
leave him in error even for a moment.
So class gone.
Anyone else who wants to come in?
Let's allow someone else to come.
I will let Omar in if he's going
to answer the question or the prophecy that
we are discussing at hand.
I don't want you to summarize everything we
have already discussed in the past four and
a half hours.
That's not how it works.
So you've got two minutes.
If you're going to waste your two minutes,
it's entirely up to you.
The reason why I said that you have
not argued that is because Imtiaz Sahib especially
argued primarily and actually only that the Prophet
was not sure about the date of the
year of his birth.
There has not been solid arguments that the
year of his birth was not 1835, which
scholarship has entirely established.
I have two minutes.
You will get your two minutes.
Let me put you to rest for a
second.
Did you hear our argument when we said
that Mirza made a prophecy that I will
die between 74 to 86 years?
And then we showed conclusively that wasn't the
case.
Did you hear our argument, our case?
You claim that as the argument.
I say that you did not prove that
case at all.
Because you ignored the fact that the actual
birth date could have either been in 1832
or 1835.
And scholarship has established that 1835 is the
correct date.
So obviously you're also summan bukman amyun fa
hum la yurji'oon.
That we cannot change.
So let's get on to our prophecy, this
current one we have discussed.
And please stick to that because if you
keep summarizing everything before, you're just wasting your
time.
So it's entirely up to you.
February 19, 1906.
I saw in my dream that a son
was born to Mansoor Muhammad and he asked
what name to be given him.
Then my mind moved from the dream towards
the reception of revelation and I was informed
Bashiruddin Abdullah.
The Prophet said, I supplicate for a large
number of people and do not know to
whom the word Mansoor Muhammad refers.
Okay, so that answers the whole criticism.
This is your time.
You've got one and a half minutes more.
Okay, so that answers your allegation.
Now what I find remarkable, therefore, is that
you have not actually come with real solid
arguments.
And you're focused on prophecies and you have
not even slightly proved your case there.
And the fact that you haven't actually criticized
the real meat of the prophecies.
Let's take the plague prophecy, for instance.
He claimed that he would not die from
the plague and that those in his household
would not die.
Okay, this was an epidemic which had twice
the death rate of COVID in the USA.
Allah allowed what you could say killed 10
million people in India, but he could never
kill the false prophet, Null and Voila, according
to you.
He was not able to do this.
Let's have a look at Lekhram.
1893 says he'll die within six years around
the day of Eid.
He then dies.
When does he die?
He dies in 1897 after Eid.
So why did Allah fulfill this prophecy?
Dawi, 1902, challenged him to a prayer duel
to the death.
1903, Dawi accepted.
1907, he died.
So if you believe that the Prophet of
Islam is a false prophet and you believe
in God, then how can you possibly believe
in those two things?
Because why is Allah fulfilling the false prophecies
of the Prophet of Islam?
And you have to rely on these things
like, oh, the Prophet of Islam didn't know
the exact year of his age in the
19th century.
And Manzoor Muhammad, where he says, I do
not know to whom this Manzoor Muhammad refers.
So, I mean, these are very weak arguments.
And as we have shown, you never debate
on aqa'ib, you never debate on aqa
'ib.
Okay, first of all, let me come back.
Let me come back very quickly.
Let me come back.
Before we get to Manzoor Muhammad, they keep
bringing up the plague question because the mines
seem to be plagued.
So let me bring it up.
Please, let's stick with the topic.
Exactly.
I will get into that again otherwise.
No, why run away from the plague?
Come on.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
So the point he made about the prophecy
we are discussing now, let's stick with that.
This is a hard to respond to.
Let's go to, let's go.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, anybody who was listening, I said that
there are two revelations from Mirza Sahib on
the same, on page 533 and then 534,
date for both of them is same.
And Omar is right.
In the first Ilham, he said that I
don't know that which Manzoor Muhammad is in
this.
And then on the same day, another revelation
was received.
And then Mirza Sahib said, Now this time,
Mirza Sahib in his own Ilham.
Stop there.
Stop there.
Stop there for a second.
Stop there.
Omar.
Omar.
Did you know that?
The second prophecy.
So are you saying that he misinterpreted his
own prophecy?
No.
No.
Omar.
Omar.
Did you know that the Mirza on the
same day wrote another Ilham revelation clarifying which
Manzoor Ahmad is this?
Which one?
Yes.
Yes.
Can you give me the full reference please?
I'll be happy to.
Can you give me the page number?
Yeah.
Repeat the reference again.
On the same day.
I apologize.
I can't see it.
Okay.
Okay.
Brother Hashim.
Let me open Tazkirah and I will share
my screen.
No problem at all.
Okay.
Yes.
Please share it.
Omar, do you read Urdu?
No, I don't.
I'm using English.
Okay.
No problem.
I will open Tazkirah at least to show
to the people that there are two Ilham
on this one.
Just brother give me one second.
I open up the original book.
Sorry, guys.
My technical team is doing some experiments at
the moment on me.
You keep changing your race in the middle
of the discussion.
So, let's clarify very quickly.
Omar came back very confidently with a stronger
faith in Mirza and claiming that you're not
actually making good arguments.
Then Omar came back with this point, this
claim that we don't know which Manzoor Ahmad
was Mirza talking about.
Now we are showing Omar which Manzoor Ahmad
was Mirza talking about specifically the husband of
Mohammadi Begum.
This is another Mohammadi Begum, not the one
that was married to Sultan Bey.
This is not the Mohammadi Begum that sealed
Mirza's fate once and for all.
MashaAllah, may Allah have mercy on her and
on her husband.
So, now go and share the screen so
that we can show Omar and maybe weaken
his faith.
So, Hashim, I need to press the present.
Yeah, press present and then share screen.
So, once we show Omar which Manzoor Ahmad
is this, then we're going to ask him,
tell us if Mirza was making things up
or was he truthful.
Is it shared now?
And then we will use a thermometer to
check his faith.
You need to zoom from your side.
Omar, are you listening to us?
You need to bring someone else in if
you want to bring all the references.
No, no, no, Omar, you stay on.
Omar, you stay on.
We're going to read.
No, I have to stay on.
No, no, please.
I have to stay on.
I'm saying add someone.
No, it's fine.
I mean, we got 2,000 people watching.
So, I don't think these brothers are going
to lie in front of all these people
and ruin their reputation.
So, yeah, zoom from your side.
7th of June, 1906.
Adnan's reading it.
It's okay.
Go ahead.
Don't worry about it.
Okay.
You can share the next page separately.
Okay.
Close this and share it again.
7th of June, 1906.
Okay.
Basically, Mirza Sahib is saying, I had revelation
that Nia Manzoor Muhammad, his wife, Mohammadi Begum,
will give birth to a son and his
name will be Bashirud-Daula, Alam Kebab.
Okay.
And these two names have been given to
me through revelation.
So, he explains the names, the meanings of
the names in the next smaller print and
then we go to the next prophecy.
Let me open the next page because I
don't know how to…
Are you with us?
Remove it and then add it again.
Remove it and add it again.
And add the next page, please.
So, we're going to show you which Mohammadi
Begum this is.
This is another one.
Not the wife of Sultan Beg.
So, that's a separate…
Actually, what I'm struggling with is that let
me see that how to go to next
page because I don't know how to go
to next page.
Is there a PDF?
What is it?
It's a PDF.
It's basically the original book in PDF from
their own website.
But…
You can't scroll?
Let me just take the screenshot.
So, then you reckon it will be…
Yeah, take a screenshot, send it to Hashim
and Hashim can put it up.
Can I tell you why I couldn't find
this?
Sorry?
Yeah, go ahead.
It was June 7th, 1906.
It wasn't also in 10 the same month.
So, that's Umar out.
No, no, no, no.
It is…
My brother, it is on…
First Ilham is on 533 in my edition,
7th June 1906.
And the next one is also 7th June
1906.
And you are right.
Let me show you something.
Give me one minute.
It's very simple.
He says, conveyed to me by revelation in
the family of Mian Manzoor Muhammad.
That is to Muhammad Ibrahim.
This was interpretation.
That was not…
What do you mean?
What do you mean?
The revelation was about Mian Manzoor Muhammad.
You are correct.
Yeah, yeah.
The application to the particular family was interpretation.
Yeah.
So, it's very misinterpreted.
How it was interpreted is a different question.
How it was actually fulfilled was a different
question.
No, no, no.
I give you the answer.
It's in the same book.
It's in the same book.
No, no, no.
I give you, brother.
Let me share my screen again.
Let me put on the screen.
Is it on the screen now, Hashim bhai?
Yeah, it is.
So, this is now second Ilham, brother.
Look at this one.
Please allow me to explain first.
Then you can apply, Inshallah.
My brother, in the previous Ilham, you are
right.
Muhammadi Begum was not identified.
Now look at this one.
In this one, he further says that He
further qualified.
He said that this Manzoor Muhammad, whose wife
is Muhammadi Begum, they already have two daughters.
And when this one child will be born,
who is going to be called the world,
in this way, his prophecy will be fulfilled.
Now, brother, he further clarified and qualified that
this Manzoor Muhammad is the husband of Muhammadi
Begum.
Why?
Now, please respond.
Yes, I'll be happy to respond.
You're making exactly the same mistake that the
opponents of the Qur'an do.
And the Qur'an talks about this in
Surah Al-Imran, where it says you have
to take muqam and mutashabihaat.
And what happens is that they divide the
verses.
They use the mutashabihaat and they ignore the
muqam.
And this is a disease in their hearts.
And Allah says those who are rightly guided
are those.
I'm not saying, Inshallah, your hearts are not
diseased.
May Allah purify your hearts and all of
our hearts.
But I'm saying that Allah says the whole
is from our Lord.
Now, there are two revelations that are concerning
this, okay?
The first one explicitly says, this is what
Manzoor Muhammad is spoken about.
In this one, he applies his own interpretation.
I believe that it refers to them.
Okay?
But that is not made explicit in the
revelation.
Thus, he may be mistaken in the interpretation
of his own prophecy.
This has happened with prophets of the past,
including the Holy Prophet, sallallahu alayhi wa sallam,
as we talked about in Hadabiya.
So, again, this is the best you can
come up with.
And you run away from things like the
plague.
You run away from things like lehram.
Wait, wait, wait.
Just one minute.
Just give me one minute, please.
Please, please, please.
Okay.
My brother, you're saying that, you know, we
are just quoting something, adding something.
My brother, in this one, I can share
my screen again.
Mirza Sahib said that in the previous ilham,
what the child which I have mentioned in
the previous ilham, I'm talking about again the
same child.
I can show you if you like, okay?
So, first, in the first ilham, you are
right.
He said that Manzoor Muhammad, but he did
not point which Manzoor Muhammad.
In the same date, he said that iske
baad maloom hua.
And then he further said that Manzoor Muhammad
and his wife, Muhammadi Begum, he further said
that they have two daughters.
So, he has given us.
Brother, wait, wait, wait.
Brother, wait, wait, wait.
Mirza Sahib has given us two qualifications.
That this Manzoor Muhammad, his wife is number
one.
His wife is Muhammadi Begum, number two.
They have two daughters.
And when this, because this son, one of
his prophesized name will be the world.
W-O-R, the world, okay?
He said because they already have two girls.
So, when this child will be born, then
another prophecy will follow.
What is that?
What is that?
The world and two girls.
So, brother, there are two qualifications.
Manzoor Muhammad husband of Muhammadi Begum.
Okay, wait, wait.
Wait, wait.
Let me tell you.
Omar, Omar, Omar, Omar.
Omar, wait.
Omar, Omar, I want.
Omar, Omar, Omar.
Omar, wait, wait, wait.
Omar, Omar.
You will have your time, Omar.
You will have your time.
Omar, there is no interpretation here.
He's stating exactly what is written on the
pages.
There's no interpretation.
Don't play these games, please.
Be a gentle man.
Be a gentle man, okay?
And don't play these games.
He is reading exactly what's written on those
pages.
There is a certain Manzoor Muhammad who has
a wife called Muhammadi Begum who will give
birth to a son.
Okay, this is in the first revelation.
On the same day, the second revelation gives
more details of the same Manzoor Muhammad who
already has two daughters and Mirza confirms that
his wife Muhammadi Begum now will give birth
to a son.
What happens?
What happens?
She gives birth to a daughter.
A son is not born.
He gives birth to a daughter.
Then Mirza says that a son will be
born to this woman next year or following
year.
What happens?
She dies.
So not only the first revelation was false,
the second revelation was also false and then
the third prophecy which Mirza Sahab made was
also false.
So Mirza Sahab is a liar again on
so many different levels.
So now we come to you.
No interpretation.
Simple plain reading of facts as stated on
those pages, on your websites.
Over to you.
Yes, well, let me actually just respond to
you by reading what this Qur'an says.
It says, both of these names were revealed
to me.
My interpretation and understanding concerning these is as
follows.
As brother Imtiaz said, he gave an explanation
for why he applies that to this family.
Now obviously this long explanation wasn't revealed.
This was his own interpretation.
So what you have said proves my point
that it is interpretation because he had to
use his reasoning.
It does not.
Oh, come on, come on.
You have your time.
And he had to apply his reasoning and
applied it to the individual.
But as we know in revelations and dreams,
names can have symbolic meanings.
So he doesn't say that this has been
revealed to me that this is literally this
family.
He uses reasoning in order to interpret it
in this way.
So the February, let's review them.
We have the February revelation where he explicitly
says, I do not know if it's actual
Mansur Muhammad, but he says, I think it
is.
Okay.
I'll paraphrase.
And then in June 7th, 1906, he gives
further reasoning why he believes that is, but
it does not say, the revelation does not
say that it is, that he has been
revealed to him that this is the case.
He literally says my interpretation and understanding is
as follows.
And then if I may conclude on this,
on my point here, that again, it is
a wonderful sign of the truth of Ahmadiyyat.
Firstly, you never debate us on Mufatim Masih
and Fatimah al-Abud and on actual Aqa
'id.
Secondly, when you come to the prophecies, you
come to these things, which are so, you
know, they're so insubstantive.
It's unbelievable.
And you run away from the plague prophecy.
You run away from Laifam.
You run away from Dawi.
So why haven't you spoken about these things?
Don't, don't, don't worry.
Don't worry.
I will, I will please you as much
as you like.
No problem.
Okay.
Firstly, the fact that you guys are so
terrified and so terrorized by Mirza's own prophecies
and the unfulfillment, that you keep mentioning Aqa
'id, Mufatim Masih, Fatimah al-Abud, all these
things.
Our scholars for the last 100 years have
been debating your scholars and they have shown
them the colors they possess.
Okay.
Secondly, books, volumes upon volumes have been written
on these topics.
Stop playing these games.
You are doing very, very badly tonight.
Unfortunately.
Okay.
People like you who have the audacity to
spin basic facts, basic statements.
Okay.
You are calling this interpretation.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait.
You have nothing else to say now.
What, what, you know, Christians, what happens to
them when we corner them with the Bible?
You know what they say?
You don't have the Holy Spirit.
You don't have the Holy Spirit.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
You don't have the Holy Spirit.
You won't understand.
So what the Qadianis do when they get
cornered by Mirza himself, they start saying, you
don't debate us on Aqa'id.
You don't debate us on Mufatim Masih.
You don't debate us.
Why are you talking about?
The topic of the night, brother, is Mirza,
his prophecies and his lies.
You are here to defend.
We're giving you a chance in front of
thousands of people to come and defend your
false prophet and you're still struggling.
Both prophecies, both revelations on the same day
mentioned the word Ilham.
Imtiaz Bhai, correct?
Yes, yes, yes.
Imtiaz Bhai, correct?
Yes, yes.
Ilham, over to you.
You explain now.
I want to, no, no, brother, I want
to basically clarify for the audience as well.
Okay, brother, Umar, please pay attention very carefully.
Anyone who knows the Islamic science, he knows
that the best interpretation of the Quran is
called Tafseer ul Quran bil Quran.
That when revelation is interpreted through revelation.
Now, Umar Bhai, please, Umar Bhai, please pay
attention.
In the second Ilham, when Mirza Sahib is
giving us more qualification, he said that another
Ilham, another Ilham which says that a world
and two girls also referring to this one
and because those two girls are already the
two daughters of Muhammadi Begum and Manzoor Muhammad,
now this world will fulfill the prophecy of
a world and two girls.
So now he has basically interpreted one prophecy
or one revelation through another revelation.
Please don't say that he was just doing
his own estimation, okay?
If you want, Inshallah, I can put it
again, but please, please.
Put it up again.
No problem.
No, no, no, no, no.
Put it up again.
Put it up again.
Please.
Okay.
Because we don't want brothers like Umar to
die in this state.
Okay.
I should be so lucky that I die
in this state.
Inshallah.
Okay.
If you want to go to Jahannam, your
choice, brother, we can't stop you.
If you want to jump into the oven,
I can't do nothing.
If you want to be cooked up to
you, no problem.
Adnan Bhai, can you see my screen?
Yeah.
No, I can't.
Okay.
Hashim can.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Look at this one.
It says, Umar Bhai, it says, Guzishta ilham
se word and two girl isi pishin goyi
ko beyan karta hai, jiske mani hai Stop.
Stop.
Yeah.
Imtiaz Bhai, isko translate karein.
Guzishta ilham.
The previous revelation.
The God revelation.
The previous revelation.
Okay.
The previous revelation, which was a word and
two girl, that revelation also explains the same
point that a world and two daughters, because
Mian Manzoor Muhammad has two daughters.
So when this world will be born, then
this prophecy will be fulfilled that a world
and two girls.
He means word.
Word.
Not word.
Okay.
Kalima.
Kalima means word.
Word.
W-O-R-D.
So now, Umar, no interpretation.
He is basically at
that birth.
So he claimed she will give birth to
a boy eventually because my prophecy will be
fulfilled.
So this showed Mirza to be a liar.
And Mirza said one of my prophecies.
Sorry.
So let me know when I can respond.
As I've already explained, the revelations are one
thing and the interpretation is the other.
Now Imtiaz Bhai has made a false analogy
between the Quran and these kind of prophecies.
Now we have great love for the Prophet
peace be upon him but Tazkirah is not
the Quran.
So you can't use that kind of analogy
in this situation.
A prophet has the right to interpret his
prophecies in the way that he thinks is
correct.
And what has clearly come out is that
he is saying that he has had revelations
about Manzoor Muhammad.
Right?
He first said I don't know who this
is.
I think it's about the individual but I
don't know for sure.
The second time Is this the best you
can do?
Is this the best you can do?
You have strengthened my Iman in Orthodox Islam
to the extent that now Alhamdulillah Alhamdulillah and
there are many Ahmadis watching this.
Many Ahmadis are watching this.
Can I continue?
Let me complete InshaAllah.
JazakAllah.
As I have said and as the Promised
Messiah A.S. himself has said his own
interpretation my interpretation and understanding concerning these is
as follows.
And he continues to give his interpretation.
Now as I am I hope you are
aware I hope you are aware InshaAllah that
the Jamaat Ahmadiyya shows that this is actually
this our interpretation of this is that this
relates to the second Khalifa of the Ahmadiyya
Muslim Community that it was fulfilled through him
and it was fulfilled in the prophecy of
the worldwide calamity in which the Zahir would
be killed.
Now let's not forget that this was all
linked to that and that prophecy was an
incredible grand prophecy which gave many details about
World War I and the highlight of that
prophecy was that at this time the Zahir
will be in a pitiable state.
Okay.
Yet again you don't mention any of these
things.
You accuse us and you accuse Ahmadiyya Muslim
Community.
No, no, I agree brother.
You complete please.
Let me finish my point brother.
Okay brother how much time do you want
brother?
Let me complete.
Two minutes, two minutes it's finished now.
Nearly finished.
Go ahead.
Not from two.
You've been speaking for nearly two minutes so
go ahead quickly finish.
JazakAllah.
Thank you.
Thank you for your graciousness.
So remember as I was saying that there
is a wonderful prophecy about the worldwide calamity
and the fact that the Zahir will be
in a pitiable state at this time and
the interpretation that we have The camera cannot
Sorry.
Sorry go ahead.
And the interpretation that we have is that
this refers to this.
Now as as I said earlier this is
a wonderful stream to show the power of
the Jamaat Ahmadiyya because we have so many
prophecies which you have run away from.
The prophecies the you know these if this
is the best you have this is this
is in my in my humble opinion not
good arguments.
You've already misstated things about the place Please
my brother anon my please pay attention Omar
by saying that Jamal says that this prophecy
is actually about the second Caliph Okay, and
this second Caliph was born on 1889 Okay,
when this prophecy is being given prophecy is
always brother about the future that this thing
please don't talk now Okay, this prophecy is
given in 1907.
How can you apply this to Kelly Kelly
was already there?
He was at that time.
He was 17 18 years old Can answer
give me the answer, please Yes, as I've
said, this is a This applies to him
and it's associated with him because it's about
I'm answering it in this very sentence brother.
It's about his spiritual manifestation Which is linked
to the World War one prophecy, okay 1914
1914.
So if you want to talk about this,
let's talk about the world one prophecy How
did the promised Islam know that there was?
No new topic None by your own mute
You're muted please Omar Omar, we're running away.
We're running away.
We're running away.
Okay now that we're running away from you
Omar I'm saying we're running away Omar.
I'm saying we're running away.
Okay, so so now It's clear that Omar
is waffling.
So we're gonna go on to very quickly
something else over kept mentioning Blake Blake Blake
So it seems the Omar loves the plague
of Qadian So we're gonna go and take
over to the plague very quickly No, no,
this is gonna this is gonna go on
for this is gonna he's gonna keep waffling
He's gonna keep repeating keep up.
It doesn't have any answer.
It's clear.
It doesn't have an answer I agree with
you.
I just give me just give me 30
seconds to let the people know what is
okay So basically Mirza Saab has given a
prophecy something about the future is called prophecy.
This was in 1907 that a child will
be born to Manzoor Muhammad husband of Mohammed
II Begum.
They have two daughters He qualified that which
Muslim homer is this now this lady instead
of giving birth to a child To a
boy.
She gave birth to a daughter.
Okay, then Mirza Saab said that this woman
must live Until she gives birth to this
boy who is promised in this ilham, but
guess what the women died now Omar by
gave us one answer He said that Jamaat
says that our understanding is that if this
applies to second Caleb my brother, please Please
don't don't play this game second Caliph was
born in 1889 and this prophecy is given
in 1907 second Okay Now
we're gonna go to the plague I won't
give the answer to that, but there's a
very clear.
No, there's no you have no one So
we spent already 20 minutes with you.
We spent 20 minutes with you already.
You have no answer nothing.
I will Miss us up.
There's a sub claimed and I'll Bashari Volume
2 page 140.
I will protect my house from plague Okay
then in the full Bala Page 5 miss
us have said all around Qadian Within two
square miles.
The plague was heavy, but Qadian remained free
from plague Okay.
So in the first quote miss us have
said I will protect my house from plague
in the second quote He said plague will
not come to Qadian It will not come
to Qadian then miss us are Okay Tells
us That in the days of the plague
when Qadian was under its attack My son
Bashir Ahmad fell ill hakiqatul wahi page 84
Here is another prophecy that failed Mirza said
that plague will not affect my house number
one Then he also said plague will not
come near Qadian then in haqiqatul wahi He's
telling us in the days of the plague
when Qadian was under its attack My son
Bashir Ahmad fell ill haqiqatul wahi page 84
over to you Omar and no waffling Could
you clarify exactly what I and I and
I will answer everything Can you clarify exactly
what the nature of your argument is?
What exactly is your criticism?
Only a dumb person wouldn't get it but
Allah again, I'll repeat it again Sorry, no
insult to you, but I will repeat it
again.
I'll insult you but it's not an insult.
Okay Okay Now amazingly you understood my insult,
right?
I understood my insult.
You are so intelligent.
It's unbelievable You understood my insult and its
implications, but you didn't understand my argument.
I'll repeat it again.
I have Mirza sahab Al-bashiri Al-bashiri
volume 2 page 140 in this book.
He's saying I will protect my house from
the plague clear Follow me continue Are you
clear on this so far?
I'm clear on what you've said.
I Will protect my house and now you're
probably looking for Responses already, but care no
problem.
We will let you find are you clear
so far?
I will protect my house.
I recently read an excellent actually, so I
know this very well.
Thank you.
Okay.
Okay, okay so Mirza sahab said I will
protect my house from plague then in the
second prophecy and Duffel Bala page 5 he
says all around Qadian within two square miles
The plague was heavy, but Qadian remained free
from plague Because Masih Mahmood was in Qadian
according to Duffel Bala same page 5, but
then in Aqeeqatul Wahi Mirza sahab says in
the days of the plague when Qadian was
under its attack My son Bashir Ahmed fell
ill page 84 Aqeeqatul Wahi clearly Mirza sahab
not only could not protect Qadian, but couldn't
even protect his own house Okay, so what
you're saying Between the prophecies and what happened?
No, I'm saying I'm saying Mirza sahab made
a prophecy And he failed because his son
was struck by plague Was he?
No fell ill Okay Do you understand my
do you understand my case first?
He says I'll protect my house from plague
and then he said Plague remain Mirza Qadian
remained free of plague and He said Qadian
remained free from plague the because Prophet and
Messiah of God was residing there Duffel Bala
page 5 and then in Aqeeqatul Wahi page
84 he tells us that Plague was in
Qadian and Then he says his son Bashir
Ahmed on the same page He fell ill
because plague was inside Qadian and it struck
his house His own son.
Do you get my argument or you're still
very simple?
Thank you You know with people like you
Omar I Used to I mean, sorry, come
on.
Go ahead.
I will try to use my o'clock.
Okay Omar by my beloved over by do
you understand my argument?
Yeah, am I able to talk to it
now?
Yes, you are.
Oh, thank you very much So let's actually
review the original wordings of the Hadith firstly
says in where are we?
It says in Muslim in the sea But
in 19 at first Bring it up Huh,
it ought to be known that the decree
regarding Qadian has two aspects firstly his decree
which relates to the town in general That
Qadian will be saved from such plague as
brings chaos and destruction and consumes entire dwellings
Now, let me clear that and clarify from
his own words He says that when he
means protection from of Qadian from the plague
He says that it is that kind of
protection quote from which people flee from place
to place and die like dogs The situation
is beyond the limit of human tolerance That's
this divine revelation contains a promise that this
condition will never affect Qadian and it never
did affect Qadian And no one in his
family died from the plague and he didn't
die from the plague So if we actually
review the prophecy in 1893 he said that
the plague was coming the plague came 1896
to Bombay, but he said it would come
after Lecham died another prophecy You never mentioned
Lecham died in 1897.
The plague comes in 1896 to India and
it develops in 1899 and 1900 in the
Punjab and it takes a few more years
to fully develop the promised Islam throughout this
entire time Says those within the four walls
of my house will be protected from this
his son did not die His son had
a fever Okay He did not die and
it is not thought to be plagued from
which he suffered even if he had He
did not die from it.
Thus.
He was okay, but he wasn't thank you
for your brothers I have more to say
but I will I will conclude soon.
I promise this entire plague argument Completely disproves
your your whole opposition to the promise Messiah.
That's not you believe that Allah exists Number
one number two, you believe that the promises
I less love is a false prophet Okay,
he is saying for basically ten years plus
that I will not be killed by plague
and those within my family But let's just
take I will not be killed by plague
So for ten years Allah kills Where does
he say that?
Where is the word killed for his family?
Allah will save the four walls of my
house so Why are you why are you
Qadiani's in a habit of adding information to
Text And and books and quotes you just
added a caveat a very important caveat, which
is what you are basing your argument Wait,
wait you just very smoothly Very slyly you
added a caveat a very important caveat upon
which you're basing your case Your response that
no one was killed and you added that
there is no mention of killing or getting
killed Mirza said plague is not coming to
my house Mirza said plague is not coming
to my house.
And then Bashir Ahmed fell ill Mirza did
not mention getting killed or not getting killed.
Show me No, show me where show me
where he said my family will not kill
These are the games.
These are the games miss love was playing
when he was alive and he was proven
to be a liar Finish my original point,
which will take 20 seconds and I'll move
on to this point.
Is that okay?
No, no, no, your time is finishing over.
I have to speak now You can't just
say my time is finished when you interrupt
me and you don't let me finish my
point then you should use two new points
My original point which I was developing is
that Allah killed 10 million people in India
from the plague But the one man who
said that he will be safeguarded from the
plague and I wasn't able to kill him
Did he miss 10 million times the false
prophet he allowed him to stay he allowed
him to live on the House will be
safeguarded Before we move on before we move
on over team Okay, obviously, you know, it's
again the same thing.
Okay, how to understand etc.
Let me give you a more clear You
can say the team on the same subject,
okay Mirza Ghulam Ahmed he issued instructions for
his followers that what to do in the
time of plague and He said that he
knows that Prophet Sallallahu alayhi wasallam Has said
that when play come in a place or
a town Leave that place Okay Sorry But
listen, let me let me quote the world
to world.
Please.
Listen, allow me to quote the world to
world Give me one second.
Yes, I quote dot to dot Okay, listen
carefully Mujhe maloom hua hai ki ahazrat Sallallahu
alayhi wasallam nefer maya hai K jav kisi
shahar me wawa nazil ho to ish shahar
ke logon ko chahiye ki bila Without any
delay is shahar ko chhode warna khuda tala
se larni wale thahraye jaayenge Mirza is saying
that Allah that I have came to know
the Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu alayhi wasallam has given
this instructions that when play comes in any
town Leave that town immediately Without any delay.
Okay, and if they do not leave that
place immediately He said that according to who
according to Prophet Sallallahu alayhi wasallam if they
would not leave the place to a huda
they will be considered as though as they
are fighting Against Allah my brother.
I don't need anything else.
Give me this hadith.
I Didn't I didn't I apologize.
I don't fully understand even your argument that
because yeah, okay.
No problem.
Let me repeat No, no, no, let me
repeat.
Let me repeat Mirza Sahib quoted a hadith
He said that Prophet Sallallahu alayhi wasallam has
said that if play comes in a place
or a town or a village Immediately without
any delay leave that place and if you
will not leave that place You will be
considered one of those who are fighting against
Allah.
I'm asking you to do this hadith I'm
not Sunnah calm.
Okay, we're actually debating on the on the
actual on the actual prophecies here And I
don't know my brother The things you are
quoting None might already established a point because
No, no, he said that he was a
false see, okay My brother look, please understand
the point it has already been discussed people
have listened your point There is a non
-violence point that's done.
Now you give us this hadith I don't
even see how this hadith is relevant even
to your argument Mirza Sahib in this hadith
has clearly contradicted the actual hadith Okay, the
actual the answer that hadith is that if
you are in a place where the play
come stay there Don't leave that place.
Okay, Mirza Sahib exactly gave the opposite Instructions
why why And if you give me I
will give you the reason but it will
take some time But I want you to
do two things.
Number one Mirza Sahib quoted this hadith Okay,
please you can ask ready ask anybody give
us this hadith Okay You
have not answered my primary my primary question
to you you've diverted to the prophecy of
Islam, you know Misquoted a hadith which is
which is not the topic of discussion.
Okay, you have missed you you have diverted
it to that The question I asked you
is why did Allah keep fulfilling the prophecies
of the from silas long?
Why did he safeguard him and his family?
Why did he survive for 10 years while
Allah kills 10 million people in India?
You have not answered this and you can
never answer this Why did Allah Why did
You
need
to understand one thing, you know if the
prophet sallallahu sallam never quoted what Mirza said
then by default It means that he's lying
against what the prophet sallallahu sallam actually said.
He quoted the exact opposite So, you know
imagine imagine yourself when you're when you're actually
in a place where there is a plague
And the prophet sallallahu sallam said do not
leave that town It's common sense because if
you leave the town you're going to spread
the infection elsewhere This is exactly what Mirza
did.
Okay, so it goes against common sense.
It goes against the Sunnah of the prophet
sallallahu sallam It's it's Yeah Again let's just
let's just note that you haven't answered any
my questions about you don't have questions you
are side trackings That's what I call it
The topic here is the failed prophecies so
stick to it and it was a fulfilled
prophecy You can have a stream on your
channel Okay Someone's
spirit should be blind We cannot give them
sight.
So that's it.
We will stop here and we move on
to the next prophecy.
Mahmoudy beggar.
Inshallah Okay, so I can leave.
Thank you very much for your time Omar
and we will get someone else in Okay,
he's just repeating himself