Adnan Rashid – Ahmadi Under Heavy Fire
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The conversation covers various topics related to Islam, including the holy Quran, the holy Quran, and the book of dossinger. The speakers emphasize the importance of being patient and not interrupting, as distractions and mistakes can cause distractions and mistakes. The lack of evidence and false information remains unclear, as well as issues such as the loss of belief in the prophecy, the lack of sound judgment, and the struggles of current President Razi Q decadeian. The conversation also touches on religion, religion, and the future, as well as references to upcoming events and references to religion, religion, and the future.
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Regarding Adnan Rashid and this brother Muhammad, I
don't know much about him, but my challenge
I repeat that they cannot discuss with me
from Quran and Hadith.
I hope you have the courage open challenge.
We can do it later because obviously Adnan
will never let Quran be discussed.
It's his worst nightmare.
Now you mentioned the prophecy of age.
Okay, this is the issue.
You people take one verse of the holy
Quran and you know how kuffar take one
verse of the holy Quran they misinterpret.
Don't look at other verses.
This is what you do with the writings
of the promised messiah alayhis salam.
Number one, Hazrat Ahmad alayhis salam in his
own books in 1905 in Brahim volume five.
He clearly explained that only Allah knows my
real age, but according to the knowledge I
have, I am around 70 years of age,
but this isn't even a debate topic brothers.
This is not even in the debate topic
because Adnan Rashid Sahib's father Muhammad Hussain Batalvi
and his other spiritual father Sanaullah Amritsari have
accepted that this prophecy was fulfilled.
So were you know more than them hundred
years later?
Number one.
Number two, you said Khalifa Awal r.a
mentioned 1839, but you have to remember till
that day the research was not done.
The research was done in the lives of
other khalifas.
There's a jamaat that he was born in
1835.
1835.
So there's not research going on.
Number three, Adnan Rashid read the reference of
Tawfiq Gholaviya.
Open it right now and read the whole
paragraph.
I'm not going to let you run away
from this.
The Tawfiq Gholaviya reference, you read that even
if you're already running Adnan.
You have to pull that out right now
and read it in front of everyone because
you lie.
You just smoke, brother.
Like the Jews.
And Muhammad Imtiaz lied as well.
Nishani asked me.
Nishani asked money.
I'll refute him on that.
And Adnan Rashid mentioned every book's name wrong.
Brother, do you read these books?
So just go on Google and find allegations.
Open Tawfiq Gholaviya right now.
Open that reference and read it out for
everyone.
Okay.
Okay.
One second.
Okay.
Thank you.
So I have a question for you very
quickly.
So let's make it easy.
You came very charged and very passionate and
very emotional.
Wait, wait, wait.
I understand.
I understand why you feel like that.
I completely understand.
Look, I am not a subhuman species or
I'm not an alien.
I am a human being.
I understand human emotions.
I know why you feel emotional about this.
Okay.
So don't think that we have no sympathy
for you.
We do.
What we would like to do today is
what we did the other day on your
stream, have conversations rather than shouting matches and
cutting each other.
So I have a very quick question and
try to answer it as soon as possible,
as quick as possible, as directly as possible.
When Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani said, God be
my witness that I speak the truth.
I am only 60 years of age.
This he said in 1901, 1901.
Okay.
Was Mirza lying or was he speaking the
truth?
Which one is it?
Because he claims he was speaking the truth
when we have the reference.
Over to you.
Answer.
So really important question.
JazakAllah.
So now we are moving somewhere.
You have to remember that Hazrat Ahmad Al
-Ahsan was a true prophet of Allah.
He never lied.
But if you look, the statements you mentioned,
answer the allegation.
You mentioned in this year, you mentioned this
year, in this year, you mentioned he's this
age.
He himself explained in Brahim 5 that Allah
knows my truth.
I'm around 70.
It was always estimation.
This is how he explained it.
And this is how all Ahmadis understand it.
Now read the page of Tawfiq Why are
you afraid?
Open it right now, please.
Read that page.
Okay.
Okay.
We will.
We will.
Wait.
Right now.
Right now.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Alhamdulillah.
And one sec.
One point.
You know, one sec.
Let me just say one statement.
Then I'll listen to you patiently.
Just one.
Let me please just let me make the
one point.
Okay.
Let me make the quick statement.
Okay.
And by the way, if you ask someone
to read something, I think because you're making
the point.
So you should bring that whatever references is
and you quote it while asking others to
read it.
You bring it and then we will reflect
on it.
I just want to ask Brother Muhammad one
point.
If a prophet says something and then something
else happens, right?
Not what he thought Allah meant.
Is he a liar or no?
Just say yes or no.
I'm not asking for details.
And then I read the page.
Yes or no.
Wait.
Wait.
Wait.
Wait.
Wait.
Wait.
Wait.
Wait.
Wait.
Wait.
Before you answer that question.
This is a digression.
This is what you call it.
Digression.
How?
Okay.
I'm going to request again and I will
remind you again.
Look how beautiful, how nice and how polite
you were on your stream.
When I came on your stream, I praised
you for your politeness, for your generosity, for
your kindness.
And today you're behaving very differently.
And I even mentioned in your stream that
let's see if we can do this on
our stream.
And clearly it's not happening.
Okay.
So Razi, let's make it a conversation so
that our audiences can benefit.
Okay.
So before you throw another question, which we
will address, which you will address respectfully, can
you now tell me when Mirza said, God
be my witness on oath.
This is oath.
This is an oath.
God be my witness that I speak the
truth.
Yes.
I am only 60 years of age.
And he said this in 1901, where he
said this, the district court of Gurdaspur.
This is recorded history.
This cannot be denied.
He said, God be my witness.
Was Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani lying or was
he speaking the truth?
He was speaking the truth because everywhere he
mentions his date of birth, it's estimation.
And in this around that time as well,
we find other years as well.
Never did he claim this is based on
Wahi and Inham.
Now read the page of Tawfiq Gholar via
Adnan.
I'm not letting you run today.
Today you cannot run.
Please open Tawfiq Gholar via.
Why didn't you read the page of Tawfiq
Gholar via.
I'm not going to let this happen.
I'm not going to let this happen.
Please open Tawfiq Gholar via.
Tell me which page.
He won't do it.
He knows he lied.
He's like the Jew.
Imtiaz bhai, wait.
Follow my lead.
Wait.
Here again, I will remind Raziullah, brothers and
sisters, please go and watch my appearance on
the Qadiani live stream the other day, about
two or three days ago.
And we had a very beautiful conversation.
Five Qadiani's there.
Okay.
Talking on top of me.
And I was responding to them very politely.
No interruptions from Razi, no interruptions from Ahmed,
and no interruptions from Tahir, the host, and
no interruptions from two Arab Qadiani's.
Today Razi, for some reason, seems to be
very charged and he's not answering straight questions.
He said, Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani spoke the
truth.
I asked him this question that when Mirza
said, God be my witness that I speak
the truth.
I am only 60 years of age.
Only qualifies the precise nature of the number
he's mentioning.
Only.
Wait, wait, wait, Raziullah.
Raziullah, wait.
This is at the district court of Gurdaspur.
The reference is taken from Manzoor-e-Ilahi
publication at Qadian, 1922.
Okay.
Page 241.
Okay.
That's the reference.
Okay.
Here, Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani is saying, God
be my witness that I speak the truth.
I am only 60 years of age.
Razi responded, he's a prophet.
He speaks the truth and he spoke the
truth.
And if he spoke the truth, he's 60
years in 1901.
That means in 1908, he is at least
67, 67.
That means he's a liar because he himself
gave specific numbers that I will die between
74 and 86.
So by Razi's own confession, a so-called
prophet is a liar.
And Razi keeps interrupting me because this is
what these Ahmadi missionaries do on their appeals
or their streams.
They are very calm, very compassionate, very generous,
very polite.
But when they come and talk to us
on our streams, this is what they do.
So Razi, I will request again, behave exactly
how you are behaving in your stream, please.
So now, by Razi's own confession, Mirza Ghulam
Ahmed Qadiani is a liar.
And if one of his prophecies proves to
be a lie, then he himself said, I
am a liar.
Now over to you Imtiaz Bhai and then
we'll go to Razi.
Over to you.
Can I answer first?
Yeah, after.
Razi, let brother Imtiaz make a point because
he's been waiting for a while now.
Okay.
So Hashim Bhai, inshallah, after this one, I
have to pray inshallah Fajr.
Okay, brother, inshallah.
Very quickly, inshallah.
Now I will show the audience that how,
Alhamdulillah, we answer the questions directly.
Razi, ask me a question that is it
possible as a usool, as a principle, if
a prophet says something and that thing does
not happen?
Razi, is your question right?
My question was, is it possible for a
prophet to prophesy something from Allah the Almighty
and then what he interpreted as does not
occur?
Okay.
Okay.
No problem.
So now people listen very carefully.
There is a usool called tahaddi.
Tahaddi means that when a prophet throws a
challenge and he says that I'm going to
say this thing and this thing is going
to be the test and criterion to check
the truthfulness of my claim.
This is called tahaddi.
Okay.
Razi, answer to your question is it can
never happen that a prophet says something as
tahaddi.
As tahaddi, as Mirza Sahib said that this
is going to be a sign to check
the truthfulness of my claim for the future
generation.
It is called tahaddi.
So my answer is once a prophet gives
a tahaddi, a challenge as a criterion to
check the truthfulness of his claim, it will
always happen as the prophet will say.
That is number one.
Okay.
I think that's enough.
Now I should give a chance.
We will give you a chance.
So Alhamdulillah, people can see we gave the
direct answer.
That's number one.
Number two, if prophet with his ijtihad, if
prophet through his ijtihad, he says something, okay,
there may be a possibility of error.
However, in the case of prophet, Allah never
leaves a prophet on error.
That is the point here.
Any other mujtahid can make a mistake and
he can stay on the mistake.
In the case of prophet, if a prophet
makes an error, Allah cracks the prophet.
Allah never leaves a prophet on the mistake.
Number three, Mirza Sahib said that Allah will
not leave me on mistake even for a
brief moment.
Now my question is, according to these last
two points, if Mirza Sahib made a ijtihad
error, a mistake of jurisprudence, when Allah corrected
him.
My question is this, okay.
Number two, if Allah did not correct Mirza
for how long?
This prophecy was in the public for more
than two decades.
And Mirza was making statements in the public
under oath for more than two decades.
It means that Mirza was making a mistake.
And Mirza said that Allah will not leave
me on mistake.
Number one.
Number two, Mirza was a prophet.
If a prophet makes a mistake, Allah must
correct him.
Answer the question.
Okay.
Okay.
Before he answers, before he answers very quickly,
just to clarify for the audience, what our
brother Imtiaz said is that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
Qadiani in his own writings said that Allah
will not leave me upon error even for
a moment.
Correct?
Allah will not leave me upon error even
for a moment.
If Mirza is right, then why is he
making errors when he's saying or when he's
talking about his age?
And why did Allah leave him upon error
for 20 years?
He said not even a moment.
20 years Mirza is upon error.
And he's upon error about something that belongs
to the tahaddi category.
As brother Imtiaz highlighted quite beautifully that tahaddi
is a challenge which comes directly from Allah.
When a Nabi, when a prophet makes a
challenge, that challenge cannot be broken.
That challenge cannot be false because that challenge,
if it's falsified, then Allah is falsified.
Allah takes full responsibility of a challenge put
out by Nabi and Nabi himself does not
have the authority to put out a challenge
if Allah has not revealed that challenge to
him because the Nabi speaks from Wahi.
So Mirza made a challenge.
Mirza was in error for more than 20
years and Mirza said Allah will not leave
him upon error for even a moment.
Mirza was a liar.
Therefore, Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani was lying.
Therefore, over to you, Razi.
Okay, so firstly, this is unjust.
Hashim bhai, look at this.
They spoke for 20 minutes.
No, Razi, if you listen from the starting,
we said that this is a Q&A.
This is our platform.
We are giving the people, the guests who
come in two minutes.
We never said it's two minutes for us
and this is not about being unjust.
This is something we said from the very
beginning.
Adnan made this very clear.
So just to emphasize, this is not unjust
if we have already made it clear from
the start.
So one second, I'm just going to put
a timer on so I don't get cut
off.
Adnan, but you won't cut me off, right?
While I'm speaking or will you?
I don't think anybody cut you off.
You're the one doing the cutting off, you
and Ahmed.
So please practice what you preach.
So one second, I'll restart.
Yeah, go on.
Okay, so first thing is that Adnan Rashid
lied that Hazrat Ahmed was not corrected by
Allah in 1905.
Allah told him that you have three sips
of water left.
Allah made it clear that there are three
years left to his life.
In Haqiqatul Wahi, Hazrat Ahmed explains that I'm
around 70 years of age right now.
So you lied and said that he always
said he's 60 or something like that.
He always explained that his age, it's always
estimation.
He said in Haqiqatul Wahi that at this
moment, when I challenged Dawi, I was the
age of 70.
Number one.
Number two, Mohammad Imtiaz, Adnan Rashid, Hashim, you
mentioned the Asul.
If something is regarding the challenge of the
truth of Prophet, he will never misinterpret it.
If I show you an example from Hazrat
Mohammad, right now, are you three ready to
leave Islam?
Yes or no?
Hashim, will you leave Islam?
Adnan, will you leave Islam?
This is your two minutes.
So please, you're getting two minutes, not more
than that.
Please complete your point.
Answer the question because you're doing the same
thing Ahmed is doing.
You're waffling.
When you're getting an answer, you're going to
always call it waffling, right?
The point is...
No, you're asking a question.
You're not answering.
Mohammad Imtiaz has to unfortunately reread his Shahada
because he lied against Rasulullah and Hazrat Nuh.
Hazrat Nuh prophesied that his family will be
saved and he gave this challenge to the
Kuffar when he was making the boat.
He told them that we will see who
the punishment comes upon.
That was the Hadith.
Number two, Sulah Hudaybiyah vision, Nabi Sassan, that
was the Hadith as well and the Sahaba
had to return.
They couldn't do Umrah.
Then there's a Hadith of Sahih Muslim where
Nabi Sassan said, the wife with the longest
hand will die first and the wife who
died was not the actual one who had
the longest hand.
Now you're putting your hands up.
You mocked two Prophets, Hazrat Yusuf A.S.
and he told them that the punishment is
about to overcome them.
That was the Hadith.
It was now fulfilled as he said.
All three of you have just mocked Yunus,
mocked Nuh A.S. and Hazrat Mohammad Sassan
and you people have left the fold of
Islam according to your own Usul and you
lied against other Prophets as well who made
Prophets and misinterpreted them although they were Tahaddi.
Hazrat Ahmad Al-Ahsan did not misinterpret this
prophecy of 80 years.
He never said Allah told me I'm 80
in Brahim and he said I'm around 70
years of age and he also explained your
own Ulema Sanaullah Batalvi, he fulfilled this prophecy
yet you people are here 100 years later
crying about a prophecy your spiritual fathers accepted.
Batalvi also called the non-Rashid's forefathers sinners.
Maybe that's why he wants to disown him
today.
Your own Ulema accepted, it's fulfilled.
How dare you raise an allegation on a
prophecy your Ulema say is fulfilled.
Hazrat Ahmad Al-Ahsan always gave references of
approximation.
In 1905 he said three cups of water
are left.
That referred to the three years he was
corrected and he fulfilled the 8th prophecy according
to us.
Okay your two minutes are up and you're
repeating yourself anyway.
Okay Muhammad Bhai, Imtiaz Bhai go on.
Okay so inshallah first of all I think
Razi need to understand the question first okay.
The hadith is called when a prophet gives
a challenge from Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala
that look if this thing will not happen
then I am not a true prophet okay.
Now I want Razi to produce for me
that for example he gave example of many
prophets.
Let's pick one of them.
Our beloved prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam.
Razi just quoted he said that they went
for Hudaybiyah okay and they did not perform
the Umrah.
He gave this as one example.
Now my question to Razi is produce to
me the report where our Nabi sallallahu alaihi
wasallam has said that people listen I am
going to go to perform Umrah this year
and if I don't perform Umrah this year
I am not a true prophet.
Okay bring the report.
Beautiful beautiful okay so this shows you accepted
that you're a liar.
Number one where is listen listen don't put
your hands up now please listen I listen
carefully.
You gave a definition for Hadi that they
have to say that if this is from
God and it doesn't happen then I'm alive.
Prove this definition from the Quran.
Read the ayat of surah regarding Hazrat Nuh
sallallahu alaihi wasallam surah Hud and Hazrat Nuh
sallallahu alaihi wasallam.
Your own ulema including Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani
explained that Hazrat Nuh sallallahu alaihi wasallam challenged
them that I am prophesying you will be
destroyed and he left them brother.
He even left and said I will never
return to my people as a liar.
Were they punished yes or no?
Just answer yes or no.
You know they were because the Quran says
So according to you Yunus sallallahu alaihi wasallam
Nabi sallallahu alaihi wasallam and Nuh sallallahu alaihi
wasallam were liars.
You were just using the shoulder of Hazrat
Nuh sallallahu alaihi wasallam to reject Nabi sallallahu
alaihi wasallam.
Surah Hudayb as well you asked Let me
finish let me finish let me finish.
Surah Hudayb as.
Make one point, make one point.
Last point regarding surah Hudayb as you said
where did Nabi sallallahu alaihi wasallam say that
if I am not true if I am
true then we would definitely go this year.
This was not a claim.
Did the sahaba not go with the surah
sasm going with the thought that they would
go this year?
Did Nabi sallallahu alaihi wasallam not think he
would go that year?
Is that not what the sahaba thought?
Did Hazrat Umar radiyallahu anhu not say I
never doubted Islam till this day and then
he was corrected?
So don't try these games.
The definition of hadith is nowhere in Quran
hadith.
You have made these usool in your kitchen
brother.
They're nowhere from Quran hadith.
You're done now?
Okay.
Let's deal with them one by one.
Okay number one Razi said that Yunus alaihissalam
he said that the punishment will come on
the people and it did not come.
Razi please pay attention.
Okay Allah has told in the Quran about
this principle that Allah says Allah subhanahu wa
ta'ala in the Quran has declared istisna
an exception for only one nation and that
was the nation Yunus alaihissalam.
Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala has given my
answer already in the Quran so you cannot
quote an exception because when you are discussing
you cannot quote istisna in order to prove
the regularities.
That is one answer.
Second answer is about sulhadebia.
My brother Razi Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala
planned this thing.
Allah calls this journey of Hudaibiyah and the
pact of Hudaibiyah fatham mubeena.
Brother please pay attention.
Allah is calling it fatham mubeena and are
you trying to say that this was a
failed prophecy?
Please think about this.
Okay and everybody who knows the seerah they
know that if this hajj or umrah would
have been performed in this year then all
the rest of the things they would not
have come the way they came and that
is the reason Allah called this fatham mubeena.
My brother please listen.
Allah is calling something fatham mubeena.
Okay and you call it as a failed
prophecy?
Please think about this and last point about
the prophecy of Nuh alaihissalaam.
My question to you is Nuh alaihissalaam announced
a punishment.
Did punishment come or not?
My question to you is this.
Now listen the usool of Mirza sahib.
Let me answer now.
Let me answer because you lied so many
times.
You're about to be finned.
Mirza sahib has set a usool.
He said that in the case of prophecy
you need to deal the nafse pishin goi
which means the subject matter of the prophecy
and then Mirza sahib says I am not
accepting it.
I don't believe in Mirza but you believe
in him.
Mirza said that the timings are not important.
What's important is the subject matter.
Now in the case of Hudaibiyah apply the
same principle.
Okay sahaba did perform the umrah number one
they went next year and Mirza sahib says
that the subject matter is important.
It is not the timing.
I don't accept this one but you believe
in Mirza sahib and lastly please you need
to tell me this point.
Allah is calling this journey of first year
towards Hudaibiyah.
Allah is calling it Fatha Mubeena.
Are you calling it a failed prophecy?
This is my question.
Jazakumullah.
So you have one second.
Brother it's us two now.
You're irrelevant right now brother.
One second.
Okay we're gonna keep it as civil as
possible again.
I would like to remind you so that
people can benefit from our conversation.
We don't have these conversations every day and
this is a golden opportunity to get to
our people.
People who listen and follow.
So all three examples you gave are irrelevant
to what Mirza is doing to himself and
to his prophecies.
So your attempt to bring the Quran and
hadith in doesn't support you as brother Imtiaz
has clearly highlighted that you are the one
always insisting Quran and hadith Quran and hadith
and they don't support you.
In fact the Quran and hadith are directly
against you and your claim to prophethood about
Mirza.
Okay so this is very very clear.
Okay Mirza gave challenges.
Mirza gave challenges and claimed that if these
challenges are not fulfilled and he gave specific
details.
He gave specific details what the subject matter
is.
The subject matter is the detail.
The limit he himself puts on his prophecies.
He said I will die between the age
of 74 and 86.
Then he says Allah is my witness that
I am speaking the truth.
I am 60 years old in 1901.
That makes him 67 upon his death.
That means Mirza by his own confession the
issue of subject matter he's a liar because
the subject matter of his prophecy was what
and this was a Nishan.
This was supposed to be a sign from
Allah in Mirza that I will die at
this age 80.
First he said 80 give and take more
or less somewhat give and take.
Then he gave specific timing specific years 74
and 86 and he dies at 69 and
he did not reach the age of 70
by the confession of his own words and
his immediate follower the Khalifa Hakeem Nuruddin.
So all of this shows us that Mirza
was a liar and your attempts to use
the prophecies and the examples of the life
of the Prophet do not work.
You cannot protect a liar.
You cannot defend a liar by using these
examples.
Over to you.
Two minutes.
So first brother Muhammad Imtiaz just lied to
everyone.
He lied regarding the Quran and did Kufr
by doing so.
He said that Yunus A.S. regarding him
Allah says that it's only his Qaum.
Allah says because of their faith that was
the only Qaum that did this.
But your Ulema exposed you.
Your spiritual father Ibn Taymiyyah who Adhan Rashid
believes is in the hellfire says your other
Ulema explained that every Wa'id prophecy is
based on aff of if the person repents
Allah removes the punishment.
Read Surah Al-Maida the story of Musa
A.S. and the people during his time.
So do not lie against the Quran in
your own Ulema.
Your scholars have Ijman this that every prophecy
that has to do with Wa'id you
said it was only Yunus A.S. Why
did you lie?
Fear Allah brother.
Number one.
Number two you lied regarding Hazrat Nuh A
.S. that it was not the Hadith.
Read the Ayat brother.
He's challenging the people that let us see
who the punishment comes upon.
He told them my family will be protected.
Did his son drown or not?
So you mock Yunus A.S. as well.
Regarding Surah Hudaibiyah we believe no doubt but
you lied against the Surah with your Usul
and put him in the category of false
prophecy and you ignored the long hand prophecy.
Regarding Adnan Rashid you have to remember Hazrat
Ahmed A.S. in Tawfiq Ghoribiya explains he
was born on the Friday 14th lunar calendar
in Zikr-e-Habib.
It's written that he was born in the
month of Falgun.
The Khalifa Sani did the full research and
it was 1835.
Last point I want to mention is Adnan
Rashid quoted brother Hashim.
I'm sorry if I go past him but
please let me finish this one.
Adnan Rashid may Allah guide you.
You lied about Tawfiq Ghoribiya and said Hazrat
Ahmed A.S. said that even if one
prophecy fails I am a liar.
The context there is he says I challenge
all the Muslim ulema to come in a
sitting with me and then prove a single
prophecy to be false and then I am
a liar.
All of your scholars were scared.
Not one stood up because they knew that
if they discuss with him from Quran and
Hadith what will happen is what's happening to
you right now.
Regarding the challenges Hazrat Ahmed A.S. did
a challenge.
I am writing this Arabic Tafsir.
No one will write better than me.
Not a single man stood up.
But I'll be together.
I think your time is up now.
I promise.
Last sentence.
Just last sentence.
I just end with the quote from Imam
Ghazali attributed to him.
He says that if a person says that
I am a prophet of Allah and then
he puts his finger up and says today
no one will be able to put this
finger down then know that he's a truthful
prophet of Allah.
Till today this Arabic challenge Surah Fatiha Tafsir.
Muhammad Hussain Batardi couldn't even.
Okay thank you.
Thank you Raziullah.
What are you talking about?
Okay carry on brother Imtiaz.
Okay okay Raziullah before I start my turn
can you please again quote the quote about
the Wa'id.
Please quote the Arabic text about the Wa
'id.
Yes so let me open it again.
One second please.
Yes.
So there's two.
The first one that I quoted two.
I said all your scholars say this.
So I said I've mentioned two points.
Once I mentioned one I mentioned is Ibn
Taymiyyah.
He says Wa kullu Wa'idin fil Quran
fa huwa mashrooth.
You said it's only regarding Yunus.
You lied.
You lied.
Okay you lied.
The second one is I didn't read the
Arabic of this but I said here all
your scholars agree.
Imam Razi says more scholars I can present
as well but you lied.
You said it's only regarding Yunus.
We are online and live right now.
Okay Imtiaz you can respond now.
Okay okay Inshallah.
First of all let's let's begin with the
last point first.
Okay if Razi does not know the reference
for the ayah which end with illa comma
Yunus inshallah I give the reference but if
he knows the reference please put that ayah
on the screen and interpret for us.
Okay number one that it that what exception
Allah is giving in this ayah to comma
Yunus you need to explain for all of
us.
Okay that point is done.
Now second point is this.
Everybody can go back and that's why I
asked him to quote the reference again.
When he quoted the reference it was only
about okay but when it was in the
English he says that every and prophecy.
My brother Vanessa is saying that my age
is going to be long.
Is it a good news?
It's not okay.
Is he basically threatening or warning people because
these are two things.
What are the glad tidings?
My brother Razi what are the glad tidings
and why are the warnings of warnings telling
people that my age will be like 80
or more than 80 something.
Is it a threat to people or is
it a blessing for the people?
Please explain for us.
How can you put this one under the
category of wise?
Beautiful question.
Let me answer.
Okay and then you said then you said
about the son of Noah and please before
I say this please do not play these
emotional games by saying that okay you have
you know said this about all the prophets.
Let's not do this.
Okay let's have an academic discussion because these
things are not good in an academic setting.
Please don't do this.
Okay now regarding the son of Noah how
can you make this up?
Allah has clarified to Noah in the Quran
that your son is not from your family.
Okay my brother please please every time you
are sorry wait wait wait wait wait wait
wait Imtiaz bhai so you're saying Razi is
making a kafir son of Noah's family while
the Quran says while the Quran says the
Quran says so Razi is now playing games
with the Quran as well.
The Quran is saying that the son of
Noah is not from his family.
In other words the words are Shush please
Razi please Razi Razi remain civil.
Control yourself as you did beautifully on your
stream.
Okay or if you had special pills on
that night go and have that pill have
two of them and come back.
Okay so that we can continue in good
spirit.
So Quran is saying he is not from
his family.
Over to you Imtiaz bhai.
Okay okay my brother Imtiaz bhai is done.
Let me answer now.
No no no wait.
It's not finished.
That's unfair.
When you start looking next time let him
finish.
Let him finish next time because Uthaymeen is
about to expose you so bad Adnan bhai.
You just mocked him and he's about to
destroy you.
Okay go Imtiaz bhai.
Razi Razi Razi.
What did you eat?
No no wait wait wait Imtiaz bhai.
Adnan bhai it's okay let Imtiaz bhai finish.
I haven't eaten anything actually.
I haven't eaten since Fajr prayer.
I want to understand.
I want to understand.
Okay he's done.
Can I speak now?
No no no.
He's done the Fajr prayer.
I haven't eaten for Fajr prayer.
He's worried.
Yes Razi Razi.
Razi we we you know where we are?
You know we are in three different continents.
Sorry four different continents actually.
We're in 200 plus countries.
No no wait wait Razi.
I'm speaking from Africa.
Hashim is in Europe.
Our brother Imtiaz is in Australia.
And you are in Canada.
Okay.
So these are four different continents.
And let's make it worthwhile.
We are all in different time zones.
Some of us haven't had sleep.
Okay.
So I'm thoroughly enjoying this by the way.
Not that because you know I want to
put you down or humiliate you.
It's not that.
It's just I want your audience to see
what games your missionaries play with their minds
and how you misguide them.
And there is an outright liar a clay
cut liar who was confused about his own
age and he repeatedly lied telling upon oath
his people that I am speaking the truth
by Allah.
By Allah.
In the name of Allah.
Allah is my witness that I am speaking
the truth that in 1901 I am in
1901 I am 60.
So Mirza to save him you are playing
all these games.
And you know what Imtiaz bhai we are
actually falling into it.
We are dealing with all these.
You know what these are distractions.
What he is doing.
What they did last day.
Wait wait.
This is my time.
I can say what I like.
I can say what I like in my
time.
Your time is not yet.
You have to be patient.
Please don't interrupt.
Did you watch my behavior the other day?
In the stream?
Did you watch me?
Carefully?
Yes yes I am listening brother.
Please continue.
Did you watch me behave?
Yeah but we give you full time.
If you give me full time I will
interrupt you.
If you give me as much time we
give you I will interrupt.
At times you guys were talking gibberish.
I kept my quiet.
I kept my patience.
I listened to you.
I was taking notes and I responded in
due course respectfully with honor.
Because you were behaving honorably.
Today you are dishonoring all of us by
behaving like this.
So please remain silent until we are finished.
Okay.
I want to not digress.
Brother Imtiaz you have given all the answers.
Just this one.
Yes.
Okay finish and then come back to me.
InshaAllah this will be inshaAllah because I love
Adnan this will be inshaAllah my last take
on this subject.
Okay brothers please pay attention.
When Razi comes for his turn I want
Razi to explain for us that in the
ayah which ends with illa qauma yunus he
needs to explain to us that in this
ayah what exception Allah is talking about about
the qauma yunus number one.
And number two very quickly because Razi again
he tried to give the impression because our
point was that Mirza was continuously for more
for around two decades making a mistake under
oath regarding his date of birth.
And then we raised the point that Mirza
has declared that Allah will never leave me
on my errors.
Okay now then Razi gave the impression by
quoting those three things what he quoted at
the end that Allah actually corrected him my
brother Razi the mistake Mirza was making about
his date of birth right?
Now you need to give us the reference
in which revelation Mirza fix his mistake regarding
his date of birth.
Please understand the question the mistake Mirza was
making was in the date of birth please
only quote one revelation where Allah corrected him
about his date of birth not his lifespan
his date of birth.
And lastly very quickly the last point please
don't give people's impression that you quoted the
Quran etc.
I have given you reply already that you
cannot compare the Hudaybiyah event with the failed
prophecy of Mirza.
Why?
In the case of Hudaybiyah the Umrah was
performed number one in the case of Nuh
A.S. punishment did come in the case
of Yunus A.S. Allah clearly gave exception
to these people because they repented after Yunus
A.S. left them I don't want to
go into detail it's a waste of time
in this discussion Allah accepted the repentance of
people then Allah became the exception for the
people.
And my brother Razi please don't compare these
three prophets with the failed prophecy of Mirza
because in the case of Mirza prophecy was
failed lastly lastly you claiming that is a
research your Khalifa has done now look at
this one because you are saying that nobody
is willing to accept the challenge I request
brother Hashim please bring the research of Khalifa
Alhamdulillah I have read all of those researches.
I will prove to you that Mirza's date
of birth can never ever be 1835.
I challenge you Okay so now I can
explain?
I can respond now Hashim?
Or is Adnan gonna go again and then
Muhammad again?
Hashim I want to speak first and then
Razi Allah can come Okay so now just
to summarize again what Razi is doing quite
systematically is distracting everyone from the main point
what are we dealing with?
Mirza made a prophecy that I will die
between the age of 74 to 86 Mirza
himself upon oath said that Allah is my
witness I am 60 years old in 1901
and he made this statement upon oath in
a courthouse by saying Allah is my witness
that makes his age 67 upon his death
that means Mirza lied now Razi is saying
that Allah corrected him in 1905 three years
before his death my question is when Mirza
from his own revelation said that Allah cannot
leave me upon era even for a moment
why was Mirza left upon era for over
60 years of his life when he doesn't
even doesn't even know his age that Allah
had to tell him in 1905 that you
are basically going to die in three years
while he himself has been telling all kind
of confusing things to his people why did
Allah leave him on era for an issue
that Mirza himself used as a Nishan this
is a sign from me how can be
the sign itself confusing when he is making
it a sign for himself from Allah so
my question to Razi is wait wait wait
Razi head on deal with this problem this
dilemma you are facing why did Allah leave
him in era for so long wait wait
wait why did Allah leave him in era
for so many years so many decades when
he himself said Allah cannot leave me on
era for a moment and then he upon
oath said he is 60 in 1901 and
then that goes against his prophecy his own
prophecy so he is a liar go ahead
over to you two minutes before I start
my two minutes I just want to clarify
something that Adnan bhai said so I didn't
misinterpret him can I do that Hashim bhai
just something that I didn't really understand what
he is saying if it's a digression no
it's regarding what you said right now if
you want to clarify something Adnan said yeah
make it quick Adnan don't be scared come
on you mentioned something about Hazrat Nuh was
that his son or no who drowned you
said are you calling him a son who
Allah says he is not your family so
are you saying he wasn't a physical son
is that what you are saying I am
saying Allah says no yeah okay tell us
where you are going no no no why
are you running because you know you lied
against Quran brother it's not a battle it's
not a battle I will respond you said
he is not his son I will respond
I will respond I quoted the Quran remember
yeah and what is the verse did you
know the verse yes I do what did
you say Allah says he is not from
your family he is not from your family
okay okay beautiful you see answer you asked
me a question let me answer if I
said Nuh's son was not his family you
said he said his family will be saved
you said this right in your claim this
is what the Quran says wait wait okay
you claimed that the Quran says that we
came back telling you that the Quran says
that was not his family okay that was
not his family so you are saying he
is his son right do you not understand
what I am saying you know he is
starving do you not understand what did I
say was he the physical son or no
simple question yes he was biological wait wait
just let him answer just be patient he
was a biological son of Nuh A.S
but Allah says he was not his family
just like Allah says that Ummahatul Mu'mineen are
the mothers of believers not biological mothers not
biological mothers they are mothers they are mothers
by the virtue of being believers does that
make sense perfect you got your two minutes
starting can I actually put a timer as
well please are you going to make sure
I get my exact time I am sure
you will do that anyway so now Adnan
Rashid has indirectly done Takfir on Muhammad Imtiaz
this is unfortunate I apologize that I had
to cause this that was Tahadih Hazrat Nuh
A.S. challenged them that look this is
my prophecy then his son drowned then Allah
told him that look he is not of
your family this was an Ijtihad on Tahadih
Imtiaz's Usul was that a Nabi cannot make
Ijtihad on Tahadih Adnan Rashid brother maybe after
this show he can recite the Kalm again
you misquoted the oath point Hazrat Ahmad A
.S. there isn't making oath on his age
that's a court case everything I say regarding
the court case is true his age he
has always explained that it's an estimate this
is why he himself in his own writings
has explained that Allah has told me why
are you cutting me off Nuh 70 Ibrahim
5 number 3 you had to cut me
off but anyhow Hazrat Ahmad A.S. did
not challenge anyone on this in the sense
you are saying that Allah had to correct
him you misquoted the quote from the Arabic
book I challenge you to read it right
now it's regarding listen listen you have to
wait till I bring it out and you
can't speak while I'm finding it I have
it here in my images somewhere for sure
it's ok still got time let me finish
it quick do I cut you guys off
I mute myself now just out of respect
so please let me finish you lied that
that means Hazrat Ahmad A.S. cannot be
left on any error when on the same
page he says I can have Sahoo and
Nisyan errors and in his own books he
says that regarding my age I do not
know it's always estimation and he gives different
terms your spiritual father said the prophecy was
fulfilled according to your own scholars regarding and
Sanaullah says that the prophecy regarding his age
has been fulfilled read it for the audience
regarding you still didn't answer why you lied
about that Hazrat Ahmad A.S. said come
let me speak on my prophecies then prove
one is false time is up ok Imtiaz
bhai go ahead ok Hazrat Ahmad A.S.
did get corrected by Allah that was the
last point I explained the 3 cups of
water which you both keep repeating that why
wasn't he corrected Allah told him 3 years
left in your life in 1905 he passed
away in 1908 he passed away at the
age of 76 you made this point several
times be patient go on Imtiaz bhai let's
deal with the last point because people have
this in their mind look there are 3
points in order to understand this prophecy 1.
date of birth 2.
date of death 3.
lifespan these are 3 points which need to
be understood properly then you can understand this
prophecy my brother Radhi Mirza sahib was making
mistake in the first point regarding his date
of birth we are not discussing his lifespan
at this moment the verse you quoted from
the Hazain that is dealing with the lifespan
how much lifespan is left that's not subjective
the mistake Mirza was making repeatedly as you
accepted that he was doing an estimation or
whatever the mistake was not in the lifespan
the mistake was in the date of birth
my brother please do not waste peoples time
my challenge to you is bring on the
screen one revelation in which Mirza was corrected
on the mistake which was date of birth
that's one point second I want to add
that it's not only that when Mirza said
on oath that by Allah Allah is my
witness that I am speaking the truth in
other words Mirza is lying on oath because
Razi is saying Mirza had no clarity on
his age Imtiaz bhai are you listening Razi
is saying Mirza had no clarity on his
age and he knows he has no clarity
on his age and knowing well that he
has no clarity on his age he is
saying on oath Allah is my witness that
I am speaking the truth today I am
60 years old only I am only 60
years of age that means Mirza knowing well
that he doesn't know his age lying is
lying on oath so that alone makes him
a liar according to Razi so Razi just
made Takfir on his prophet Razi just made
Takfir on his prophet just as he is
making Takfir on us directly or indirectly and
saying that I think Ibn Taymiyyah is in
* fire subhanallah mashallah tabarakallah please over to
you very quickly so brother Razi obviously in
our discussion with you we have discussed many
points and people are listening we don't want
to repeat things now I am just going
to stick with the point I am not
going to discuss I have all the things
you said but I don't want to discuss
them to save people lets discuss just one
thing and that thing is Mirza was making
mistake in telling his date of birth and
your claim is Allah corrected him on this
mistake please I can speak for 10 minutes
but I don't want to lets stick with
this one point please your answer so if
you listen carefully Hazrat Ahmed Al-Asim explained
that he was born on a Friday February
the 14th and in the month of Falgun
according to Zikr-e-Habib if you look
at these dates you only find 1832 or
1835 so he was corrected.
Number 2, then in Haqiqat-ul-Wahi according
to Haqiqat-ul-Wahi he explains his age
and he doesn't say what you guys are
saying according to Haqiqat-ul-Wahi the prophecy
was fulfilled as well.
Then your own scholars Sana'ul and Batalbi
accept the prophecy was fulfilled as well.
I mentioned the 3 drops of water as
a final point after I already explained that
he was corrected to knowing the Friday he
was born on and the month of Falgun.
Those living with him knew the prophecy was
fulfilled yet today 100 years later you want
to raise allegations and these are the same
types of allegations raised by all raised against
all prophets of Allah.
I did not do takfir of anyone I'm
just showing that the brother why are you
stopping me let me finish point by point
I should get another 2 minutes now no
no you shouldn't.
Imtiaz bhai it's his point make a note
what you want to say and then come
back inshallah.
Go on.
Once again Adnan Rashid lied like he lied
against Tawfiq Gholibia as well.
I explained that in this court case the
oath was only regarding what he is saying
regarding the core case itself.
Regarding his age he explains that only Allah
knows my true age.
So why are you taking one writing from
one book one from the other and doing
this.
I explained before that Adnan Rashid is like
the Christians and Jews who do the same
thing with Sahih Muslim where it says Nabi
s.a.w. said push the Jews to
the nearest part of the earth.
They take this they say look Nabi s
.a.w. mocked us he said let me
finish brother why are you cutting me off.
He said spread violence your ulama agree that
this is out of context.
In the same way you take these writings
out of context.
You took the oath out of context and
you lied against Tawfiq Gholibia because Batalvi was
shivering.
He couldn't dare raise an allegation on the
prophecies that's why he didn't show up where
was he.
You think you'll wake up 100 years later
and try to prove the prophecies wrong that
he couldn't disagree with.
First of all first of all he keeps
saying Batalvi and Amritsari okay okay he keeps
calling me calling them my spiritual fathers.
I don't know why he does that.
Okay so the fact that you have to
rely on two individuals who buried Mirza while
he was alive both of them Amritsari and
Batalvi these two individuals.
What are you talking about wait wait wait
they both buried Mirza while he was alive
Batalvi was the same man who gathered the
ulama to give a fatwa of kufr against
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani.
He declared him to be a kafir by
the collection of the ulama he could get
the support of.
Amritsari is the same man who challenged Mirza
and that was the last challenge of Mirza's
life.
Okay so don't mention these people who dealt
with Mirza while he was alive.
Okay Mirza was shown to be a liar
by both of these people by the way.
Okay stop saying Batalvi Amritsari Batalvi Amritsari.
These two people the mission of their lives
was to show the world that Mirza is
dajjal qaddaab and a liar.
Okay now coming back to the same issue.
Razi has already admitted that Mirza was a
liar because Razi is not addressing the point.
Did Mirza say upon oath that Allah is
my witness in 1901 I am 60 years
of age and I am speaking the truth.
I'm going to read the quote again I'm
going to read the quote again so that
Razi doesn't make any mistake.
Can you please provide the reference for this
one.
Okay reference I've already given.
He knows the reference.
Okay he knows.
He's not denying it.
He's not challenging the reference.
The words of Mirza Ghulam Amit Qadiani on
May 16 1901 in the district court of
Gurdaspur and I quote God be my witness
that I speak the truth I am only
60 years of age.
Was Mirza lying or was he speaking the
truth.
Razi quick answer not two minutes.
Yes or no.
I need to respond to what Razi said
brother.
Wait wait wait wait wait wait no wait.
Razi was Mirza lying or was he speaking
the truth.
Hazrat Ahmed Rasam never lied ever and that
oath has nothing to do with it.
You're lying.
You're the one lying.
Okay guys guys wait I think Imtiaz Bey
wanted to make a point Atnam.
Wait wait guys.
Before Raziullah says let Imtiaz Bey make the
point.
Go ahead.
Yes sabar sabar Razi has now said that
Hazrat Ahmed Okay according to him never lied.
Razi said that right.
So that means in this oath when Mirza
said God be my witness that I speak
the truth.
I am only 60 years of age in
1901.
On the 16th of May 1901 upon oath
Mirza is making this statement in the district
court of Gurdakhwar.
And Razi said Mirza is speaking the truth.
That means Mirza is 60 years old in
1901 and Mirza died on the 2nd of
May 1908 exactly almost exactly 7 years later.
That makes him 67 years old.
That means Mirza Ghulam Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani was
a liar because in his prophecy which he
himself called a prophecy and I will give
the reference again in this prophecy Mirza stated
that I will live I will live between
the age of 74 and 86.
That is the reference the words of Mirza.
I'm going to quote I quote again the
words of the prophecy promise that my age
will be between 74 years and 86.
The reference is Burhanul Ahmadiyya volume 5 page
97.
So the prophecy says which Mirza himself made
the prophecy and he uses the word prophecy
in this very court that this is a
prophecy that I will live between 74 and
86.
In 1901 he speaks the truth because he
is Hazrat Masih Maud according to Razi he
cannot lie he says I am 60 years
old and he died 7 years later.
That's 67 so he is 7 years short
from the very first point of the prophecy
when he said he will die between 74
and 86 anyone listening anyone listening right now
live or otherwise with 2 brain cells let's
make it 4 here 2 and 2 4
brain cells anyone listening to us tonight with
4 brain cells knows that by the calculations
I presented Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani was a
liar and he was a liar because one
of his prophecies because one of his prophecies
is shown to be a lie one of
his prophecies is shown to be a lie
can I answer first because wait wait wait
guys one of his prophecies has shown to
be conclusively a lie that means Mirza by
his own standard is a liar because he
said if one of my prophecies out of
100 is shown to be a lie then
I'm a liar game over I rest my
case now Razi's games are not going to
save Mirza let me let me okay so
first you fear Allah you claim can you
read the Urdu of the oath page you
keep saying can you read the Urdu quickly
let me read it for you uses the
word which book which book which one okay
which page what is the reference the reference
reference of what no which reference
which reference which maybe maybe let me let
me finish on your turn you can answer
Nambay I have the scan of where the
oath is I have the scan of where
the oath is okay I can show you
should I put it on the screen can
I put it on the screen yeah you
can put it on the screen what is
the date one second one second it says12
May 1901 No, the one I have is
16th of May 1901.
Sorry, it's 16 May.
I can't read Urdu numbers.
I apologize.
16 May 1901.
Okay, put it up.
Okay, so how can I put it up?
Screen share?
No, you go to, at the bottom where
it says present.
Do you see it on your screen?
Present, one second, one second.
Screen share, present, yeah, and then I click
video slides?
Present.
No, no, is it on a, where exactly
is it?
Is it on your hard drive or is
it on a website?
Can I tweet it to Adnan Rashid quickly
so he has it?
No, no.
Okay, so can I just share screen?
Yes, share screen, that's what it is.
Okay, one sec, let me just open the
image.
Right here, I got it.
Okay, screen share.
Okay, okay.
Wait a second, my screen just went small.
One second, just once.
Two seconds.
I have a double screen, so I apologize.
Share screen.
Take your time.
Share screen window, okay.
Read it out loud, please.
I've shared the screen.
Of course, we can't see it still.
It should be there.
It says you're in the show and my
screen is showing in the bottom, but you
just have to accept it.
No, no, we can't see it.
None of us can see it.
Really?
Yeah.
Okay, let me stop sharing and share again.
Present, share screen, share screen window.
Can you check now?
It should be next to my name.
No, we can't see your screen at all.
Brother, I promise you it's showing here.
Okay, let me put it on my phone
and put my camera on.
How about that?
Or you can send it to Ahmed and
maybe he can share it.
No, no, don't worry.
It's fine.
I'm opening it on my phone and I'll
open my camera.
And then Adnan has to read it out
loud for everyone, okay?
Yeah, of course.
That's the deal.
Okay.
Do you guys see it?
Which part?
The highlighted part?
We can't see the whole thing.
Okay.
We cannot see the whole thing.
Let me zoom out.
It's the same one you have.
You can confirm right here.
We can't read it.
No, we can't see it.
Bring it closer.
We can't read it.
Okay, that's it.
No, look.
Now you can, Adnan, read it out loud.
We cannot read it, Razi.
Razi, put it up on the screen and
we will read it for you.
Okay, do it again.
I'll share the screen one more time, okay?
Stop sharing.
Present.
Share screen.
Don't show these tips again.
Window.
There.
Dawab bhai, Hashim bhai, if your studio is
full, maybe that's where they're not showing it.
Okay, I can't see it now.
There, there, there.
Okay, okay.
Zoom in, zoom in.
You need to zoom from your side.
Okay.
Okay.
Read this, Adnan.
Keep zooming.
Okay.
16th of May, 1901.
Go back a little bit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Make it a bit smaller.
That's it.
That's it.
Okay.
Zoom in.
Sorry.
Zoom in.
Zoom in?
Zoom in or zoom out?
Slightly zoom in.
That's it.
That's it.
Here, let me translate exactly word-by-word.
It says…
Why did you lie?
First tell them why you lied.
Tell them why you lied.
No, no, I'm not lying.
Can you put it back on?
Can you put it back on?
He's saying he's only 60.
Can you put it back on?
Can you put it back on?
Is it there?
Is it there?
Yeah.
Can you put it back on?
Okay.
Okay.
Right.
Now…
God is present.
Okay.
In other words, God is my witness.
No.
It doesn't say that.
Do not lie.
Read it.
That's what it means.
Okay.
Come on.
Okay.
Okay.
That's what he said.
I will do it word-by-word so
that Razi is happy.
Allah is present.
I will speak the truth.
My age is about 60 years.
About 60 years.
Yes.
Now, what do you say?
JazakAllah.
You were emphasizing and lying that he's only…
No, no, no.
Let me finish now.
I let you speak, right?
No.
You presented your case.
This is what the Jews did with the
Torah.
They put their hand on the Torah so
they don't get stoned.
So, let's see how you have become like
the Jews.
So, can I quickly…
Can I answer?
Yeah, you can answer, but wait.
Okay.
You can answer.
What we have just seen, Razi has confirmed
that we are very, very diligent and accurate
about our sources, okay?
No, no.
So, the date I gave is absolutely correct,
16th of May, 1901.
The quote I was reading goes as follows,
God be my witness.
There it says God is present.
Now, Razi insists that that's not witness.
God is just present.
He's just present for no reason.
That I speak the truth.
I will speak the truth in the Urdu
language, that I speak the truth.
I am only 60 years of age, right?
Here, he is disputing…
Razi is disputing the word only.
He's saying instead of only, it says karib.
In the Urdu word, in the Urdu language,
it says karib.
Karib means close.
Karib means close.
So, when he says I'm close to 60
years of age, okay, we have other quotes
from Mirza from same time, for example.
I'm going to answer to this so that
Razi can actually tell us what's going on.
In 1896, Mirza says he's 64 years of
age.
Yes?
Yes or no?
Finish, then I'll answer.
Okay.
In 1896, Mirza says he's 64.
What is our case?
Our case is that Mirza is lying repeatedly
about his age.
He is in error.
And he has said upon oath that I
am about…
Let's say about 60.
No problem.
It's a minor point to us.
It's a minute point to us.
It makes no difference to our case.
Our case still stands.
What is our case?
Our case is Mirza is a liar.
Wherever you go, whichever quote you go to,
Mirza is shown to be a liar because
Mirza repeatedly said that his age was different
at different times.
Okay.
In 1896, Mirza says I'm 64.
In 1903, he says I'm 70.
Okay.
So now you tell me in 1901, Mirza
is saying I am about 60.
In 1903, he's saying I'm 70.
Two years later.
Okay.
Two years later, he's saying I'm 70.
So if Mirza was 68 in 1903, if
Mirza by his own confession was 68 in
1903 as he claimed in 1903 that he
was 70, was he about 70 years of
age or about 60 years of age?
Any sane person will tell you that he's
about 70, not about 60.
He's not close to 60, he's close to
70.
So even that shows him to be a
liar.
Then Mirza in 1904, the very next year,
says I am 65.
Okay.
Then in 1905, Mirza says again, I am
70.
Then in 1907, Mirza says I am 68.
So which one is it?
All of these were said by Mirza.
Allah says in the Quran.
Now let me tell you something about Mirza
himself, what Mirza said.
Okay.
Mirza said about his own words that an
individual who is wise and pure in heart.
I'm quoting Mirza here in this vein.
Okay.
An individual who is wise and pure in
heart does not create contradictions in his words.
Are you listening guys, everyone?
Is everyone with me?
Mirza said, and where did he say this?
Satbachan, his book Satbachan published in 1896, page
29.
Mirza said in his own words, an individual
who is wise and pure in heart does
not create contradictions in his words.
Of course, if he is mentally deranged and
lacks sound judgment, or if as a matter
of flattery, he agrees with somebody else, there
is no doubt that there will be contradictions
in his words.
Can I answer now?
Yeah, wait, wait.
You can answer.
Let me finish.
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani here is saying that
a person who is wise and pure in
heart will not contradict himself, who is wise
and pure in heart will not contradict himself
unless he is mentally deranged and lacks sound
judgment, in which case he cannot be appropriate.
This is my caveat.
Clearly about his age, Mirza was not only
contradicting himself.
He was contradicting himself severely.
To give you the list again, 1896, he
said, I'm 64.
1903, he said, I'm 70.
1904, I'm 65.
1905, I'm 70.
1907, I'm 68.
This is a deranged, mentally ill, immoral, immoral
person.
Now you're mocking, now you're abusing our founder.
This was the Hashem, but where's the respect
gone now?
That's disrespectful.
He got caught to be a liar and
now he has to mock my founder.
Allah says don't mock others.
Ya Allah.
Razi, Razi, Razi.
Yes, thank you.
I am making my case, Razi.
Can you not see?
I am actually dismantling everything you're trying to
bring.
Everything you throw at us, we have a
quote from Mirza to destroy his own credibility.
Everything you will bring in defense of Mirza,
you will open your mouth.
There will be something with us to completely
dismantle your defense of Mirza.
Please fear Allah and accept that Mirza was
a liar because repeatedly we're bringing things to
you from his own writings that undo him,
that prove him to be a liar.
So if Mirza himself is saying.
Now can I answer Hashem Bhai?
It's been a long speech you've given.
What are you answering?
Because you expect me to answer in two
minutes.
It's unjust.
Razi, Razi, Razi.
I'm going to answer and I'll share my.
I'm finishing.
Let Adnan finish.
And then I want Imtiaz Bhai to come
in because he has been waiting a long
time longer than you.
He gave a full speech, Hashem Bhai.
Yeah, but make a note of it, I
mean, come on.
Razi, did Mirza say that a person who
is wise and pure of heart cannot contradict
himself?
And if he does, he's mentally deranged.
Okay.
He's mentally deranged and sick.
If Mirza said this, first of all, you
have to confirm.
Did Mirza say that?
If he said it, then he is contradicting
himself, giving different numbers of his age in
different years.
That means he's contradicting himself.
That means he is not only impure of
heart, he's mentally deranged too.
Do you agree?
Let Imtiaz Bhai make a point and then
you can come in, Razi Allah.
So now.
Come on, Imtiaz Bhai.
No, no.
Okay.
You haven't finished it or you have?
No, no, no.
No, no, but this will go on, Adnan
Bhai.
I think brother Imtiaz has been waiting for
a while.
No, no, no.
No, Hashem, I request specifically he answers.
He answers.
Yeah, but he's made a note.
He's made notes of the things.
No, no, no, no.
Hashem, I'm not going to let him go.
Okay.
So after two minutes, Imtiaz Bhai comes in.
Okay.
Go on.
Yes, please.
Please.
So, who's speaking now?
Me or Imtiaz?
You're speaking.
You've got two minutes.
Go ahead.
Okay.
So I have two minutes.
So I want to go a bit back
as well because Adnan Rashid lied previously as
well And I can't let him keep lying
on the stream.
See you're cutting me off again, brother Hashim.
Is this just Yeah, Adnan, it's his time.
Let him finish We need to decide what
he said on RG He's going to play
the same games, Hashim Whole time.
This guy is just deceiving, left braiding You
expect me to lie, brother Let's all calm
down Hashim, as a moderator, can I request,
can you get him to answer my question?
Yeah, so he's got two minutes And if
he doesn't answer the question, that's his loss,
isn't it?
So you heard the question, you made the
notes, Rasulullah Please answer the question Let me
just get to my notes file, I can't
find it Okay, right here, there it is
Okay, can you share the screen again, brother
Hashim?
Yeah, if you're sharing it, I can It
says sharing Okay Do you see it?
Yeah, I see it Okay, I gotta zoom
in, right?
So as everyone saw, Adnan Rashid lied again
and was caught Just like his spiritual forefathers,
Batalvi and Sanaullah Hazrat Ahmad Al-Ahsan says,
kareeb, near 60 That could be 65, 66,
63 He does not say, on an oath,
obviously you're saying something you're certain about He
uses the word kareeb to show it's an
estimation As he does in his other books
In Haqiqatul Wahi, we prove that he passed
away at 76 Other books show past 74
So we have hundreds of references Now, Adnan
Rashid lied to the viewers that Sanaullah buried
Hazrat Ahmad Al-Ahsan Open challenge, read the
Mubahala challenge in front of all the viewers
right now Qiyamah will come, you will fear
reading it Why?
Because in the end, Sanaullah gets scared He
says, you know Mirza said challenge me to
Mubahala But the plague is happening I might
die in there He starts crying that I
cannot accept the Mubahala Your mullahs lied to
you that he accepted the Mubahala Why do
you deceive?
Then you say Batalvi, do you know where
his grave is today?
His Christians became Christian His children became Christian
What are you talking about?
You disowned him last stream and said I
don't care what he says, who is Batalvi?
No one knows where his grave is The
man has disappeared You're trying to bring him
back to the world He's already finished So
now, returning to the other points that Adnan
Rashid says In Haqiqatul Wahi, does it prove
he Al-Ahsan was 76 or no?
Answer in yes or no like you asked
me You can't answer Exactly, let me finish
Hashim Bhai Regarding a person who cannot contradict
100% Christians raise the same allegations They
say Quran says do not mock their gods
They said their idols are in the hellfire
Hazrat Ahmed Al-Ahsan never contradicted on the
faith These are historical proofs Nabi says you
people know more about the history So Adnan
Rashid fear Allah You are only using the
shoulder of Hazrat Ahmed Al-Ahsan To reject
the other prophets of Allah You already rejected
Noah Al-Ahsan, Yunus Al-Ahsan And now
Nabi says you rejected with Sulah Al-Hudaibiyah
You rejected Batalvi Regarding Taimiyah, you did say
he is in the hellfire Regarding Ibn Taymiyah,
you got exposed on Twitter today Your time
is up You are not answering anything I
answered everything he said What didn't I answer?
Adnan will tell you I clarified that he
was corrected when he mentioned his month of
Falgun On the 14th Friday of February So
I answered everything Can you stop it?
In government people Last thing, in government people's
dates are always Ask him, mute him Ask
him, mute him Imtiaz bhai, Imtiaz bhai, sorry
I'm not going to I'm not going to
let him get off This is a very,
look If we let him off this Then,
you know We have to keep it on
topic My issue now is This guy, he
the other day In the last stream, he
made a hadith From the Prophet And he's
calling me a liar He actually added the
words Qala Nabi I told you it's based
on Wahi Don't lie, I said based on
Wahi You're supposed to be quiet Come on
Rasulullah No, no, Razi has eaten something yesterday
He has taken off his Ahmadi You know,
polite Gentle, civilized Ahmadi hat He has taken
it off today And he is now behaving
like a Sunni You know, as they claim
As they do the propaganda That these Mullahs,
these Malvis They are violent, they are extremists
They behave like this, this is how these
people behave When we go on their streams
They are like beautiful fairies You know, they
are rainbows Like my little pony land, there
are ponies flying around You know, these are
like rainbows But when they come to our
streams They turn into monsters So please be
patient, Razi Okay, let me finish myself Now
He made up a Hadith the other day
On one of our live streams When we
probed him, we asked him Where are these
words Attributed to the Prophet That there will
be a black Prophet from India Whose name
will be Also known as Christian Hindu deity
Hindu deity He attributed, Mirza the Prophet Attributed
this information to the Prophet When we asked
him where is the Hadith Razi Basically claimed
Using words It is recorded It is historic,
it is going to Go down in history,
it is not going to be removed Okay,
he said And we caught him lying When
we asked him to show the text He
said, oh these words are not there These
words are basically from Ilham, from revelation This
is the game he played Today he is
saying that I said Ibn Taymiyyah is in
* fire I challenge him to produce a
statement For me, a video clip for me
Where I said Ibn Taymiyyah Is in *
fire Okay, if he doesn't, then not only
That he is a compulsive liar Just like
his Prophet, his entire Community Those who don't
take him up on this The Ahmadis Who
are listening right now You need to understand
that your trained Paid missionaries, this is what
they do This is what they made of
Okay, they will never give straight answers Black
and white Contradictions, black and white Prophecies of
your false Prophet And this guy is playing
games So I request now, Hashim Bhai Remove
Razi Let someone else in I told you
last time You have to Hashim Bhai Imtiaz
Bhai has to I'm going to let only
Imtiaz Bhai speak now I told you I'm
going to let Imtiaz Bhai speak Go on
Imtiaz Bhai Okay Hashim, I just want to
propose Something very important Because this discussion has
been there for one and a half hour
Now what will happen is Now they will
claim At the end, Razi will claim I
was not allowed to speak etc Now here's
my point Let Razi give two minutes That
on this failed Prophecy of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
Give us four Five whatever bullet points In
two minutes, Inshallah I will address Them in
my turn and secondly I want to answer
what he said Which I need to address
Why?
Because we need to cap the discussion At
the end because people should see That what
was the conclusion What was the best shot
played by Razi And how they were responding
Please give him two minutes Are you sure
you don't want to make the points because
you might get Inshallah after two minutes After
that I want to respond to his points
Because I want him To give us his
best points On this prophecy Okay Razi you
can go ahead So firstly Adnan Rashid lied
That I lied against Rasulullah I never lied,
that was That was a true hadith In
Hadith Hadith Hadith
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Hadith Hadith with them in one minute inshallah
Point number one and point number five is
about that.
Our scholars said this they are not part
of this discussion Okay, we are discussing Mirza
his prophecies You will
humiliate these people you people humiliate, okay, I'm
gonna remove him because he's All the audience,
please understand.
I sat him give us your best shot
on this prophecy He said five point point
number one.
Why he said that our scholars have accepted
this prophecy number one He was lying our
scholars clearly declared him a liar if they
would accept his prophecies Okay, why would they
call him a liar?
And secondly, this is not our main answer
by the way, our main answer is this
but I'm gonna say now Okay, our scholars,
whatever they say it has no bearing on
the Ilhamat or revelation of Mirza.
Our subject is this is what Mirza said
You need to defend that you cannot bring
up or secondly if our scholars are a
hujjah if they are approved Then you need
to accept everything they say, okay, and they
clearly said Mirza's a liar.
Do you accept this?
How can you do the cherry pick?
Okay, you just take few things I was
scholar and with us all of that Allah
does not allow this to a believer the
cherry Pick some dark wall or from the
sayings of the scholars.
Okay, so point number one and five were
about the scholars point Number two was he
said that the Mirza side made mistakes because
he was always giving Estimations.
Okay on this point.
I asked him I said, okay because he
was making mistake Because of his estimation he
was having this error When Allah corrected him
on his on his what date of birth,
okay Because this was the air he was
always making he was always making error about
the date of birth This was the key
point and has he has not been able
to produce any Evidence to tell us that
when Allah corrected Mirza sahib on his date
of birth.
This was a point of error Okay, and
then the next point is this okay?
Does he was trying to hold on to
one thing?
He said Oh Adnan by quoted the translation
which says that only 60 years but the
actual text says The Kareem and satsa or
nearly or close to 60 years.
Okay My point is this number one Razi
said that I have the scan Razi, you
know what scan means that what statement was
given in the court of law you have
the scan of their statement You don't have
that you produced a book that book is
quoting this testimony of we have the book
as well So only thing that can justify
that you are truthful if you can produce
the scan of what?
Statement was given in the court of law
Razi has no scan and I really doubt
I really doubt because I can give you
many References that they keep putting things here
and there very little they can change the
whole meaning.
So my Is my challenge to Ravi is
if you want to hold on to the
point of only or Kareem Please produce the
scan if you will produce the scan then
medical you have no scan But you said
you have a scan you are lying in
this one.
Okay, and the next point is this Okay,
if Mirza so I say according to you
his date of birth was 1835 Okay in
1901 if he was saying I'm 60 year
old or Kareem and 60.
He's still lying Because from 35 to 1901
it becomes how long it become my brother
67 years so according to your Your it's
still lying.
It did not solve any problem.
Okay, and then the main point is this,
okay The actual prophecy was that Mirza will
live between 1774 to 80 or 86 years.
Okay, this prophecy was not fulfilled This is
the subject matter everything else was discussed because
of this and on this one Razi was
saying again and again I want to say
it in very clear terms the platform of
brother Hashim is available to you Inshallah is
available to all of us.
Inshallah my brother bring your research Okay, your
claim is that according to the research of
Khulafa Mirza was born in 1835 My research
is that according to my research Mirza was
born from 1839 to 1840 And then we
will let the people decide that whose research
is backed up with evidence and who's just
lying Okay You want to respond to that?
Yes No No, no, wait, wait, wait, wait,
can you can I quickly say something?
Okay.
Okay, Rosie We're gonna move on to the
next prophecy because we've spent all already about
Two hours nearly two hours on this and
we're gonna go on to next prophecy.
Inshallah.
So We're not gonna let Rosie come in
Because Okay The prophecy remains unfulfilled Rosie is
throwing irrelevant things at us, which we we
Don't want to address because they are completely
irrelevant Can can we bring somebody else in
after Razula makes a closing statement Yeah Give
him two minutes make his closing statement because
the thing is we gave him enough ample
opportunities to respond to the Claims that you
guys are making so inshallah.
Let him make One thing one thing before
you speak one thing Okay I'm again throwing
this challenge on Raziullah that bring your research
You have to bring evidence from that research
and Mirza was born on 1835 I will
bring my evidence.
He was born in 1839 to 40.
Do you accept the challenge or not?
No, no, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait again in just like again We have
shown Mirza is contradicting himself Mirza remained in
error for decades Mirza said God will not
leave me in error even for a moment
Mirza contradict him is contradicting himself.
He said a person of pure heart and
wise Vice person of pure heart cannot contradict
himself unless he's deranged unless he's mentally deranged
Mirza was mentally deranged by his own standard
because Mirza kept contradicting himself and there's no
doubt in my mind that Mirza was mentally
deranged and by that virtue Mirza was not
fit to be a prophet or fit to
be even a School teacher Mirza was not
fit to be even a school teacher Even
a football coach even a kabaddi coach, you
know kabaddi is a Punjabi sport, right?
Kabaddi.
Yeah, there's a wasn't even fit to be
a kabaddi coach.
Let's say Let alone being a prophet of
God over to you and next prophecy.
Go ahead Razila this is your closing statement.
You got two minutes.
Go ahead Okay, brother Hashim.
Can you share do you hear me?
Yeah, of course.
Yeah, I'm just going to start my timer
Can you show my screen, please?
Yeah, just one sec Okay, so on Mohammed
Imtiaz accused me of lying for saying I
have the scan but when Adnan Rashid kept
saying he has the reference He had reference.
He never said a word.
This is how the Jews behave number one
number two Adnan Rashid lied Why are you
cutting me off Yeah,
I'm gonna reset I'm gonna reset the timer
you got two minutes So if that answers
the first question, I'll stop saying and now
Mohammed Imtiaz challenged me I openly challenge all
three of you get your ahli hadith ulama
as well Debate me on the death of
Hazrat Isa alaihissalaam from the Quran and our
Hadith You'll never do it.
Qiyamah will come you won't do it.
Adnan Rashid has to lie.
He says Hazrat Isa alaihissalaam was sleeping Miraj
Nabi says I'm greeted Hazrat Isa alaihissalaam.
He replied according to Nabi says him lied
that Isa alaihissalaam replied because you see sleeping
Last thing I'm going to quote brother Hashim
this reference ends Adnan Rashid's propaganda I want
you to share this reference.
Sorry Hashim bhai last thing I'm just gonna
share my screen again, and I'll end at
that I thank you a lot may Allah
bless you for being a just moderator and
a lot of Ahmadis praise you for this
So may Allah keep you Just in this
I'm just one more minute you got here.
Yeah, so I'm just going to ask you
if you can share this Is it showing
brother not yet?
Okay Okay, it is now.
Yeah, Adnan bhai read this Arabic please for
everyone and translate The highlighted one.
Yes Can you read it?
You're smiling read it you need to No,
no, I wanted from your mouth Okay Says
yeah, you but that's you know, who Allah
had the calamities asked about someone who caused
someone wallet Who's in a he lied against
has a time lesson because as a time
lesson use this majority sense How'd they cause
if is needed even a team?
Yes says your mujaddid your spiritual father bring
him out of the * today at non
-bay accept this reference He says only had
the cause of and tazir is needed if
they do not mean it in the sense
You call her a beast majazi torpeh.
Well, I do Zena what do you have
to say about this?
He asked me for clarification, let me clarify
don't cut me off this This because of
this reference by that none You should delete
all those videos and you were saying has
a definite lesson needs hard because of because
he used what I do Zena Metaphorically even
a team here I'm gonna says if you
call someone my own and what I do
Zena in the majazi sense like you caused
the mushroom a Habit, there is no tazir
or punishment You have to do all the
videos now for lying against his spiritual father's
and Islamic theology and you lied about Thanks
for your time He has because of has
you use the word her arms that you
lied on that print a let me finish
that day So I am there may Allah
guide you to the true Islam Islam Ahmadiyya
those who follow Quran and a Hadith Quran
and a Hadith and Sahaba.
We do not follow mullahs of today shah
waliullah muhaddith He says they rejected these a
lesson because of this Salaf Quran a Hadith
proves the truthfulness of Ahmadiyya may Allah guide
you all and show you Such a strong
sign that makes you accept the true Islam
Islam Ahmadiyya and hazard them a lesson as
the latter-day Messiah He's a lesson is
dead.
He is never coming back.
Quran is clear Wa ma muhammadun illa rasool
qad khalaq min qablih rasool all messengers before
he's a lesson Keep
your camera on Okay, brother
every listener, please pay attention in this whole
prophecy There is only one cop-out There's
only one exit which Jamaat Ahmadiyya has discovered
and that cop-out is that Mirza's date
of birth was 1835 number one.
This was the main cop-out.
I Challenged as you love you have not
answered to come on any independent platform Okay,
Mike, you cannot prove this.
I'm saying it very clearly You have no
evidence you are you are seeing Muhammad in
chaos for the first time, but you'll see
me now more Okay, you have no evidence.
I have studied every single evidence produced by
Ahmadiyya on this subject I challenge you brother.
I challenge you you if you cannot prove
that he was born on 1835 Then you
have no option left Then you have to
admit that Mirza's prophecy was a failed prophecy
and he said this is a sign for
the future people Number two, you are saying
to a nun by the Because of a
lot of Zina I challenge you you I
challenge you Okay This topic you want to
debate this topic that what is the Jumhoor
opinion if somebody says to somebody Well, it
was Zina without evidence.
What is the call you Jumhoor?
Metaphorically literally a metaphor Literally or metaphorically job
of the Minute
now, he's creating an exit that he will
try to say that Mirza Sahib said it
metaphorically guess what?
I'm going to produce those references Razi you
have not seen in your life, which will
I read all his books?
Why not to accept my challenge my challenge
to use a nun by you are you're
saying to a nun My challenge to you
is debate me on this topic that if
you call somebody one of the Zina What
is the call you Jumhoor?
I challenge you.
Okay.
Now, let me answer Ashwin then I'm done.
Okay, I'll be quick I'll be I thought
that was a closing statement.
Yeah, but he went again.
So let me and because I'm the guy
If you Razi if you a man if
you are a man and if you are
all those things you've claimed Except the challenge
we will produce references We will produce references
that anyone using the terms like the real
Bahaya One door Haram or one of the
heart armor one of the Zina Okay, or
Harami or Haram Zada We all this beautiful
language beautiful flowers coming from Mirza's mouth for
his opponents if we show you references and
show you the position of the overwhelming majority
of other Sunnati will Jama'a That they
believe anyone using these words deserve Because 80
lashes and such a person's testimony will never
be accepted.
This person is vulgar foul and not worthy
of any respect Except the challenge be a
man except the challenge to debate this topic
or shut up Which one is being abusive?
Why are you being abusive now?
Did not call you Harami I did not
cause you to be able Bahaya, how can
it be abusive?
That's your profit I
am being abused it for telling him to
shut up his prophet Mirza was calling people
Harami Haram Zada one of the Zina the
rear to Bahaya all of these things mean
one thing a Bastard child and he's telling
me that I'm abusing him for telling you
to shut up this and by the way
You call up not a liar many times.
So We could say the same thing that
you're abusing him Make the point and then
you can come in Listen, I did not
ask you for any references.
You know, I did not ask you for
anything I simply asked you one question that
this prophecy can only be defended if you
can prove That Mirza sahib was born in
1835 on this topic.
I'm throwing you a challenge.
Are you accepting the challenge or not?
Yeah, your turn Razi.
Can I answer?
Okay First I'm going to expose you for
lying about how they cause of when there's
if they laugh in the umma from your
spiritual father Even a team at a mullah.
Why are you going to mature first?
You have to get witnesses against even a
team in number one numbers.
Why are you cutting me off?
I don't know because you off Speaking you
started speaking.
No, but look the majority of Pakistan today
are brave He's a mother's a Khan's fatwa
is also that there is no had because
upon the word haram zada adnan But she's
like he said be the next line That
was her arms that he that was not
where word was not even used by the
promise I lesson we can show you authentic
narration from sahaba.
They use this as well Where was the
had because of against them this shows you're
a liar and you have your own If
there was had because of sahaba would also
have had because of against him for using
these was his narrations in Guns and Umar
as well and many other books, which I
showed already even the team is on our
side He's our scholar.
No, he's a queen Listen Everybody
He said he will die between 74 to
86 Then he said in 1901 in a
court proceeding that he is 60 years of
age Taking his word close to it.
No problem still my case still stands That
means is closer to 60 than 70 as
I have shown already Still he's a liar
Still he's a liar.
You know why because still even even if
we were to take if it was up
to 65 and Another seven years that makes
the 72 Mirza is still a liar because
close to 65 Cannot be more than 65.
Sorry close to 60 close to 60 By
your book your reference that you put it
out and we accept it It says close
to 60 it cannot be more than 65
because more than 65 in 1966 that would
be close to 70.
So it's just close to 60.
So that means maximum 65 and Add another
seven years that makes him 72 at his
death even then Mirza is a liar because
he said I will die between 74 and
86 there goes your Mirza there go you
and All your lies and all your lame
defenses now wait if that's right now Now
I request that we don't fall for his
Digressing Next
prophecy right now I'm the guest This
is my stream, this is my stream So,
please listen to my request myself and Hashim
and in tells by a request from all
of you Move on to the next prophecy.
Otherwise, otherwise we're gonna be here this guy,
you know, he's playing games So let's go
to the next prophecy I was gonna do
that like a liar half an hour.
We have we have shown is that to
be a liar on many fronts?
Let's go to the next prophecy over to
you.
There's a next prophecy None by because alhamdulillah
in our tradition.
We respect our brothers our elders inshallah Even
though I have very strong point, but let
me try to proceed to the next one.
Okay, please.
So Raziel I'm going to bring somebody else
in if that's okay the last conclusion when
you said that I won't mention any then
everybody will go again back To
me I don't want to hear it.
I don't want to hear it I'm gonna
go to the next prophecy.
Otherwise, this guy is gonna be playing It
was fulfilled so now let's say it's for
good but now we said, okay.
Thank you very much.
I Need to make his point