Adnan Rashid – African Qadiani Imam Left Confused
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As-salamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.
I am calling from Samoa Island, but I'm
originally from Ghana.
Are you Ahmadi?
First of all, yes, I am an Ahmadi
Muslim, a very strong believer in Mirza Ghulam
Ahmad.
Now, Adnan Rashid made a statement right now
that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad does not even deserve
to be a schoolteacher, just about a few
minutes ago.
And Adnan Rashid is also on record for
saying that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's writing, particularly Barahini
Ahmadiyya, is one of the greatest writings in
Islam.
So I want to ask him, is that
not a contradiction?
Good question, very good question.
Someone's character determines how qualified a person is.
No, I am not asking about character.
Wait, I'm answering, I'm answering, I'm answering.
No, no, no, brother, I'm not asking about
character.
I am answering, I am answering.
He's answering in his way, let him answer,
Imam.
Imam Sahib, Imam Sahib, I am answering your
question.
Someone, to be a good author and a
good writer, doesn't make him a good person
necessarily.
Okay, when someone writes a good book and
someone is a good author and writes the
truth in it, because Barahini Ahmadiyya has good
arguments for Islam, it has.
At that time, can you mute him?
Can you mute him?
Yeah.
Can you mute him?
Hashim, can you mute him?
Yeah, I did, I did.
Okay, okay.
Hear my answer, Imam Sahib.
Stop laughing, stop laughing.
You have a beautiful smile, but stop laughing,
stop laughing.
You're not listening, are you?
Are you listening?
Are you listening?
Okay, good, listening.
Someone who is a good writer and makes
good argument is not necessarily a good person.
And if a person is not a good
person and a person is a liar and
is a person of no credibility and is
a person of contradictions, that person should not
be a school teacher.
Do you understand me?
Barahini Ahmadiyya has correct aqeedah.
For example, it says Isa A.S. is
alive in the heavens with Allah and will
return near the end of times, which you
people don't accept, which Mirza himself later on
changed.
He changed his belief.
He changed his aqeedah.
Okay, first he writes, wait, wait, wait, let
me finish.
First he writes, first he writes in Barahini
Ahmadiyya that Jesus is alive with Allah and
he will return near the end of times.
That is something beautiful.
That's a beautiful aqeedah.
That's our belief and Mirza confirmed it.
So that's a good thing about the book.
Now, same guy who wrote this book later
on started to make the blunders we have
already mentioned.
I'm going to ask you, I'm going to
let you defend Mirza now.
Let's see what you can do for Mirza
sahib.
Okay.
Mirza sahib said.
I asked a specific, I asked a specific
thing.
Wait, wait, wait, pause, pause, pause, this is
not a debate.
Adnan bhai, we want to go back to
the prophecies because this will carry on.
Otherwise, this is a tactic.
Don't forget.
Okay.
Yes.
Okay.
Okay.
Let's go back to the prophecies.
So Imam sahib, now that you're here, we're
going to put a prophecy to you.
Let's see if you can respond to it.
Imtaz bhai, go ahead.
Brother Hashim.
Yes.
I asked a specific question.
First of all, I am here to help
all the audience to also know the truth.
And I saw that you were with brother
Raziullah for a long time going back and
forth.
But a simple statement that brother Adnan Rashid
made that I wanted to make a clarification
on.
I wanted him to make a clarification on.
Now, this is a man who has the
ability to defend Islam.
But Imam, you need to understand that we
have a specific topic.
And the thing is, every time we sidetrack,
we just go unnecessary tangents, which will not
benefit anyone.
I was just coming to that.
Okay.
Make your point quickly.
I'll give you one minute.
But I want to come back on the
topic at hand, which is about the prophecies
of Ghulam Ahmad.
Yes.
So, first of all, the point that I
was trying to make is that Adnan Rashid
accepts that the writings of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad,
peace be upon him, and particularly for Barahini
Ahmadiyya, is one of the greatest works in
Islam.
How does a defender of Islam, writing a
book, being one of the greatest in defense
of Islam and the Prophet, peace be upon
him, not even fit to be a teacher?
That is what I cannot understand.
So that is what I want Adnan Rashid
to address.
Now, going back to Barahini Ahmad, going back
to say that he said that Isa, peace
be upon him, is in heaven, and later
on, we know that he said that when
he was in heaven, when he was appointed
as a prophet.
Okay.
So you want an answer or you don't
want an answer?
Yes, I want an answer.
Okay.
Let Adnan speak, and please do not interject.
I believe Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani wrote some
good arguments in Barahini Ahmadiyya.
I believe that.
But later on, Mirza Ahmad, having done some
good work, became a kafir, became a disbeliever
by claiming to be a prophet when he
had no authority to do so.
And on top of that, his own writings
later on show that he was a liar,
mentally deranged, a foolish man who was actually
not, he didn't know what he was doing.
Now, I'll give you other examples of that.
Wait, wait, wait.
Imam Sahib, Imam Sahib, Imam Sahib, let me
finish, let me finish, let me finish.
I'll give you another example.
There was a man called Rashad Khalifa who
wrote a book titled 19.
He proposed a theory from the Quran that
the Quran is mathematically coded by using the
number 19.
That book was taken as one of the
greatest books.
Are you listening, Imam Sahib, or you're paying
some of your attention somewhere else?
Listen to me.
That book was hailed as a great book
by the scholars.
Same man, Rashad Khalifa, Rashad Khalifa, same man,
later on apostatized and used his own same
theory to challenge Islam.
Rashad Khalifa now, if I say today that
his book on 19 was a good book,
am I endorsing him as a good person?
Am I endorsing him as a valid source
of Islam?
Absolutely not.
Absolutely not.
You have limited brain cells, the Ahmadis, I
don't mean you as a person, I mean
Ahmadis, limited brain cells that cannot get the
message out.
I don't mean all Ahmadis, by the way,
I mean the missionaries in particular, the missionary,
the Ahmadi missionaries, they have limited brain cells
because they misquote everyone.
What they do is, they ignore the fatwa
of kufr upon Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani, which
was facilitated by Battalavi and other scholars.
What they do is, they take Battalavi's earlier
writings, like what they do to me, what
they're doing to me right now, okay, they
do that to Battalavi.
Battalavi similarly praised Burahini Ahmadiyya when it was
authored.
Okay, in the 1880s, when Burahini Ahmadiyya was
authored, Battalavi praised it for its virtues because
it had some virtues.
But later on, Battalavi is the same man
who declared takseer upon Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani,
made him, basically called him a kafir and
got a fatwa on him.
Ahmadis, the missionaries, completely ignore the fatwa and
they use his earlier praise, which was done
for the right reasons, for the right time.
Okay, so you guys need to have some
shame and get the message.
Over to you now.
Okay, thank you.
So, first of all, everyone knows that Rashad
Khalifa was killed and so you cannot compare
him to someone who is claiming to be
a prophet and who has been protected upon
all the accusations, upon all the hatred, was
still protected throughout his life until he completed
his life.
You cannot compare him to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
in any way.
That's the first point.
Allah himself promised in the Quran that he
will protect anyone, I mean, he will kill
anyone who lies about him.
So for Rashad Khalifa to be killed is
a clear indication that he cannot be a
true person.
I am saying that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad has
the ability to defend Islam, to even write
a great book in Islam.
How will you say that such a person
does not fit to teach?
Now, you claim that he was doing good
things at the beginning and later on because
he claimed to be a prophet, the people
turned against him.
That is the case of all prophets, including
the Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam himself, when
the people usually call him as Sadiq Wa
Amin, but when he claimed to be a
prophet, they referred him to be a liar.
In the Quran, the Quran says that he
is a madman.
According to the Quran, the people call the
Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam a madman.
So your calling Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Alayhi Salam
names does not change the fact that he
is a prophet.
Imam Sahib, Imam Sahib, let's have a conversation.
Let's talk.
The Quran says that they called him.
I don't need evidence of someone calling him
to accept him.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, Imam Sahib, the Quran speaks the truth.
I agree with you.
Tell me who was the, yes, who was
the Quran referring to that they called him
madman?
I don't, I don't even need evidence.
Once the Quran says I accept him, you
need to understand the question.
Try to understand the question.
Who was making the allegations?
That is my answer to the question.
My answer to the question.
Okay, Adnan tell him.
He doesn't know.
I accept every word of the Quran, so
once the Quran says it, I don't need
evidence to say that.
I don't think he understood the question.
Adnan maybe give the answer.
You explain the question.
Okay, so you know, I'm basically what he's
asking is who made the allegation Regarding the
professor of Salam that he was a madman.
Was it the believers or was it the
disbelievers in simple terms?
Exactly And he's calling me names Madman
We got your point in on Mom, so
let's have a conversation.
Are you willing to do that?
Of course.
Yes Okay, brilliant When the Quran says that
people called him a madman Who is the
Quran talking about which people I?
Have I have answered this way I have
just answered you Was it the believers or
the non-believers and I just told you
It is Okay, I
think
we lost at none his connection issues again
And in fact one point that I want
I want to add before Adnan comes is
that the Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam?
Has he has compared Muslims to the Jews?
So just as the Jews were calling the
Messiah names and not believing in him for
over 2,000 years The same have the
Muslims rejected the Messiah and calling him name
Okay, so let him just let him just
come in because I think I've not having
some issues with this kind You already made
a point several times let let him just
come in gone Yes, so Imam Saab our
first of all, it's a pleasure to have
you on the platform Definitely you have every
right to defend your religion Massa I just
want to mention am I in already?
Yes, but you got a different picture on
your Yeah, we can hear you Adnan you
got a different profile picture Yeah, it's one
of my friends.
I'm using his account.
So sorry about that.
Yeah, isn't my friend.
Isn't my friend amazing good-looking He's got
swag He's got swag, okay, so so so
the camera before the camera turns on I
want to talk to him on some nicely
Beautifully compassionately before a month of showers.
I Requested you remain calm and answer my
questions so that we can have a fruitful
conversation and end it very quickly It won't
stop the Quran says people called him Majnun
Matt right.
Okay.
So these people are disbelievers.
These are mostly keen of Makkah, correct?
Yeah Okay, all of these people in months
up all of them every single one of
them believed in Muhammad Rasul Allah sallallahu sallam
before his all of them Every single one
of them wait.
No, let me It is not true Let
him finish and then you can come in
him himself None finish and then you can
come.
Okay.
Yeah, your argument has not stand every single
time You're trying to bring the Quran and
it doesn't support you amazingly your Ahmadi religion
Okay, the Quran tells us that these people
were calling the Prophet madman a Magician Okay,
a soothsayer all these things.
Okay Okay, all of these people before the
death of the Prophet sallallahu sallam They believed
in him the Quraysh.
These are the same people who fought for
Islam They went as far as China and
Spain These same people not one of them
was left that they believed in Islam and
the messenger of Allah There's no Muhammad Qadiani
when people called him mad mentally deranged a
Okay Majority of his own relatives including Muhammad
I beggar her husband and The father of
Muhammad I beggar which we will talk about
in due course his own relatives Never believed
in him and died believing in orthodox Islam
with pride So your point is redundant stop
making lame points and wasting our time over
to you Can I respond to that?
First of all, it is not true that
or everyone who was calling the Prophet names
Accepted him.
In fact, it is a fact that they
even fought with him.
Some even died in Yakufu They fought with
the Prophet and his Sahaba and some died
in the in the process So not all
of them accepted him number two number two
during the time of the Prophet Muhammad sallallahu
sallam There were Jews in Medina.
There were Christians in Medina.
Not all of them accepted the Prophet sallallahu
sallam They did not accept him because they
did not believe in him So it is
not true for you to make this claim
that all of them accepted him And in
fact, even if we should accept your argument
they accepted him at what time during the
last period when the Prophet sallallahu sallam It
was even I was about to go to
his Lord Islam continues to till today and
in the Arab world.
There are people who still do not accept
the Prophet Muhammad sallallahu sallam So what is
this argument?
Muhammad sallallahu sallam also came Allah sent him
revelations.
He claimed to be a prophet and as
a prophet Not every single person accepted him
including those who were praising him before just
as the Prophet They were praising him But
when he claimed to be a prophet as
is happening to all prophets They now turn
back to reject him and call him names
I Think you know, to be honest, this
is not going anywhere.
Let's not waste time on this.
Yes Okay, firstly you made a claim that
they were calling him Madman, I asked you
who which people you confirmed the Qurayshi's his
enemies I Asked you specifically mushriks mushrikin and
you said yes No, not the Quran does
not call the mushrikin because they are look
it up so you don't know what you're
talking about you're so Jahil Show
me with the Quran cause the specifically Quran
Mentions in directly about the shirk of the
Jews and the Christians no doubt Okay But
the Quran gives them a title a title
of the kitab mushrikin specifically when the Quran
mentions mushrikin It specifically talks about idol worshipers
of courage.
So I Responded to you.
Your point doesn't stand.
There's no He died a very sad man.
Okay died Defecating next to it, but and
then he fell on his back and he
died.
Okay, this is though He died.
He was diseased with it.
Did you you know that he claimed to
be Masimo who he claimed to be the
Messiah?
You know the term Messiah the term Masih
means and one of the meanings is that
the one who touches people Masaha Masaha, the
one who touches people and heals them.
Okay Jesus Islam one of his greatest miracles
was that he would touch people and he
would heal them Here we have a man
called miserable on Ahmad Qadiani who claims to
be Masih Mahmood the promised Messiah who was
disease riddle ridden riddle with disease riddled diabetes
Diarrhea for years Wait, wait, wait, wait finish
let me finish when his own son His
own son Wait, wait, let me finish.
Okay his own son his own son in
syrup of Mahdi Writes about him that my
father suffered from severe bouts of diarrhea severe
bouts of diarrhea for years and he was
Mahmood he was the promised Messiah.
He was the return of Jesus Let me
finish let me finish we're gonna have to
move on you can stay with us mom's
up You're most welcome to stay with us
But we're gonna move on to the next
topic so that we can do the prophecies
the topic of the day Let me finish
let me finish first, so when you guys
come to us Okay to be honest with
you.
You know what?
I Really feel sorry for the people of
Ghana in particular where the Ahmadi's have gone
to You know simple people and you know
They have managed to deceive them because people
of Ghana don't know or do the people
of Ghana They don't know or do they
don't know the writings of Mirza.
They don't know who is our Ahmed is
people of Ghana accepted this cut Thinking that
this is the religion of Islam They think
this is the religion of Islam, but they
don't know what the real religion of Islam
is my brother.
Okay, so Who you claim to be the
Messiah Could not even heal himself.
Let alone others.
How can he be the return of Jesus
Christ?
How can he Let
him just make a quick point, wait a
minute Imam Let him just make a quick
point and then you can come in and
that will be your last point.
Yeah, okay Go ahead in this way.
Okay, exactly.
Oh I'm also first of all Let me
say it because you know, you said to
a non boy that you don't get heated
I'm also of you know, these topics are
very close to our hearts.
Okay, this is not this is something sense
It was not to be disrespectful to you.
It happens to all of us.
Okay, because these topics are very sensitive close
to our hearts So, please accept apologies.
It's not to hurt your feelings number one
number two amounts of the point is this
Adnan by initially said and which initiated the
whole conversation Adnan by said and this is
what this was your objection on Adnan that
how can you call up this person who
was defending?
Muslim he was defending the being how can
you call him that he was not even
qualified to be a teacher the master my
point My simple request is this obviously because
this today's a live stream It's not on
this topic.
If you are interested, okay, if you are
interested, let me request you.
Okay will make topic character of Ghulam Ahmed
According to his own writings and according to
his own followers And then I will let
you speak that you tell me if a
person has this character Is it justifiable to
say that his character was very very questionable
and either it does not even Good to
be a teacher.
So I will let but now now the
problem is because stream is not on this
topic Okay, and last point amounts up.
I want to make is this please pay
attention to this this very important point When
Ahmadis, you know when they try to address
the objections against Mirza sahib What they say?
Oh this prophet, you know was rejected as
you said as well Oh, hey, they were
every nation called their prophet a lawyer, etc,
etc Imam sir, we are not discussing about
a prophet.
The point is when Issa Ibn Maryam This
was the claim of Mirza side that when
Issa Ibn Maryam will come Imam sir.
I invite you Please look it into Islamic
literature We do not have any evidence that
when Issa Ibn Maryam will come Muslims Imams
scholars and Muslim prominent people they will reject
him.
They are waiting for him So, please don't
compare him with other It's not comparative a
secondly We have no evidence in our tradition
the whole Islam that the sea will come
and make a claim There is no such
thing.
We are not waiting for any Messiah, please
this term Messiah Mo or promise Messiah is
a wrong term.
It's a Jewish term We are not waiting
for any Messiah Christians and Muslim will both
agree that Issa Ibn Maryam May Allah Give
him high status has already come as Messiah.
This term is very deceptive.
Please don't buy this term Oh, it's a
Jewish term because Jews are still waiting for
the problem Sorry, we are waiting for Issa
Ibn Maryam to come back.
We are not waiting for any Messiah These
two things they may seem close to you,
but they are very different example If a
person comes he says I'm a Messiah there
both possibilities people might accept him people might
reject him But when Issa Ibn Maryam will
come Imam Saeed the whole ummah will accept
him because they are waiting for him to
come back And we have all the hopes
of peace and prosperity in this world pinned
on his second coming.
So there is no such To
respond to the two Yeah, no, no, no
because you made some claims I need to
respond to that before You said that you
are sad for Ghanaians for accepting Alhamdulillah, alhamdulillah
Ahmadiyya is going very well in Ghana and
I'm very grateful to Allah for allowing First
of all, you said because we don't act
because we don't understand And that is the
point I am taking you on on that
and that is why the Azula was on
you that you should discuss point from the
Quran because every Muslim in Ghana at least
majority of them can Recite the Quran, but
they may not know what you are saying
whether it is true or not If any
I'm ready doesn't come here to disprove you
any I'm ready who can read If they
don't come here to disprove you how many
how they know that you are speaking the
truth or the I'm ready Muslim is speaking
the truth, but for the Quran it is
abundant online Everywhere anybody can read it and
that is why they were calling you to
discuss the death of another piece I'll a
slam when the Quran is clear that another
piece of Islam is dead If I'm ready
Muslims in Ghana, I accepted Marissa Gulam Ahmed.
I'll a slam it is based on his
teaching from the Quran Which is true, which
is accepted by the Prophet Muhammad salallahu alayhi
wasalam and the Sahaba number one number two
You claim that Marissa Gulam Ahmed.
I'll a slam cannot be MSC because he
was sick the Prophet Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam
He himself was also sick Because prophets are
men and So anything that can happen to
a man can also happen to them and
it is not true
It
is I Make a point after You
have ten seconds His own son his own
son writes in his book that Mirza sahib
Relieved himself.
He had a diarrhea very severe bout of
diarrhea.
He relieved himself I will pull out.
I will pull up right now.
I'll pull out right now.
You want to listen you are Okay, okay
go ahead you talk I'll show you So
now now the point is the point that
I was making is that when you pull
out anything How was somebody very fun?
When I just do How The Quran is
translated Sunnis have translated Okay
No, no, you made your point gave you
more than two minutes now Yeah Thank
you, thank you, okay First of all, I
requested you because you this is how everything
started you claim That how can we say
these kind of things against Mirza sahib?
Okay.
This was a starting point.
I have requested you So, what do you
think about this?
We want to present to you?
Evidence from his own writings from his own
followers And then we want you to tell
us that if he has these writings these
character.
Are we?
Rightfully saying him that he was not a
person good character or are you lying at
him number one and number two?
Okay, very quickly because this is again.
This is not a topic Inshallah, but how
she will give you one minute inshallah my
Imam Sahib I want you to read from
the Quran that because you said come to
the Quran just inshallah for all of us
read that verse from the Quran which says
that Isa Ibn Maryam has died number one
and number two Isa Ibn Maryam will come
back in the last days as a form
of an other person So this number two,
please court listen before your police in the
point very carefully You need to show me
where Quran says that an other person will
come in the later day in the last
days And he will be Isa Ibn Maryam
show me that verse First of all, the
Quran is very clear You need to understand
the question and answer the question only please
because I've already given you guys more time
about this topic Which is not really the
topic Question is very clear.
Just answer the question, please Imam was trying
to say that we Muslims are not living
by the Quran.
I simply said you one thing Please listen
the question very carefully mom So my question
is show me that verse of the Quran
which says that Isa Ibn Maryam will come
in the last days as a form of
an other person No, you first said that
I should show you a verse of the
Quran where I know he said is dead.
No, no I don't know.
No, no.
No, I want to say we specified the
second one just answer that because you're just
wasting time So the Quran will not say
he will come back So the
Quran and the Quran clearly says that anyone
any any people who have come before That
have passed away that have died.
It is haram for them to come back
So the Quran will not make this claim
and then tell you that another Islam will
come back So another is Allah is dead
according to the Quran and will never come
back So if you see a hadith that
a mercy is promised that he will come
Then somebody else will come and we have
precedent.
We have precedent in history that precedent is
that and maybe Among the Jews Elijah is
supposed to have ascended to the sky as
you Muslims believe even though there are proofs
that Elijah Elijah was not ascended So Elijah
will come back as The Jews believe and
as Muslims also believe that another user is
in the skies and you come back now
The Quran makes it clear that another user
is dead So when you see that somebody
else will come just as somebody else came
in the spirit of Elijah So shall somebody
else come in the name of another Israel
in Salam?
That is the precedent we have and now
the Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam Gives
a similarity between the Muslims and the Jews
Has one not only been done and then
he says that they will resemble like two
pair of shoes The resemblance here is that
the Jews are believing that a prophet has
ascended to the skies the Muslims are also
believing that a prophet has ascended to the
skies and Then they are believing that that
prophet will come from the skies because of
that They did not believe in the Messiah
the Muslims in the same way I also
believe in that a prophet has ascended to
the skies because of that.
They are not accepting the Messiah number one
number two In the Quran the Quran is
clear that another user is a rasool in
a bunny israel And maybe isa is not
a rasool in an island He is not
a rasool for the whole of mankind, but
a rasool to the to only the banu
israel.
Yeah For
the whole of humanity Just one statement just
one statement inshallah, okay Imam sir, you can
watch the stream again You said to all
of us that this Quran this is our
being come to this Quran I simply asked
you the question that caught me.
That's that verse from the Quran Either it
says you said that Issa has dead.
It will not come.
No problem Leave on the side quote me
that verse from the Quran which says that
Masih Mahmood will come in the later days
quote me that verse first number one and
number after that When it comes to ahadith
we can discuss you invited us to Quran
I want that one word just one word
from the Quran which says that Masih Mahmood
will come in the later day.
This was the claim of your prophet.
Show me that was according to the Quran
surat al-hud verse 18 that The witness
that is coming is from the ummah of
Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wasallam.
He's not from the ummah of anab musa
alayhi salam Sorry number two number two and
Maybe he's a Islam which the Muslims are
waiting for as I may as I mentioned
according to the Quran He is only a
rasool.
He labani israel and This statement was made
to his mother even before his death So
if he was supposed to come back in
the latter days that will also have been
said Now for anybody to reject that verse
of the Quran Which was and no, please
let me make my point and now run
around and say that that another is a
home The Quran says that he's only a
rasool to the bahamut.
Israel will come back with the Quran hasn't
said that is false Now when we call
you to the Quran when we call you
to the Quran We call you to the
Quran because the Quran is the first point
of call in Islam.
Yes now The Quran says that as I
mentioned in surah al-hud and maybe I
should read it Allah almighty says Allah almighty
says it was it That is coming and
let me let me just read it.
I'm a man.
Can I have a unit in the rugby?
Which of its first number?
There's 18 that will be the 17 Amen.
Can I have a unit in the rugby?
Why I flew who saw he don't mean
who?
Have a man can I have a unit
in the rugby?
Why I flew who saw he don't mean
who this side that is coming is from
the ummah of muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam.
He is not from the ummah of the
bahamut israel and This sahih we believe that
is the messiah who is promised by the
prophet muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam to come So
if you want a verse from the Quran
which proves that the messiah will come from
the ummah of muhammad This is the verse
i have just given you Wait, wait brother
Mtaaz Why are we discussing this topic Now
the second point is that Wait a minute
When we agreed that we are not going
to fall for any of the digressions why
are we discussing this topic?
That's because I told you not to do
it and you went into it 40 minutes
unnecessarily.
No, he went on that.
He thought that he has got some straws
to catch.
But when he sees that he's been exposed.
Okay.
Okay.
Imam Sahib.
Imam Sahib.
I'm going to ask you a question now.
Very quickly we're going to deal with this
point and we're going to move on.
Okay.
Imam Sahib.
If I show you a reference from Mirza
Ghulam Ahmad Qadhi and his own son that
his own father, before he died he had
diarrhea next to his bed, he relieved himself
and then he fell on his bed and
died.
Then what?
First of all, I'm not in a position
to confirm what you are saying.
But the point is that wait, wait, wait.
If I also show you that the Prophet
Muhammad before his death was sick on his
bed.
Then what?
Yes.
Take out the reference.
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadhi's son's reference.
Okay.
If I show you first of all, you
keep bringing the Prophet to save your life.
So let me explain now.
Where's the difference?
Your Prophet, so called, yeah, this was his
condition.
Now that you brought this upon yourself.
I didn't want to do this.
But you're the one who did this to
yourself.
So I'm going to now teach you a
lesson.
Okay.
This is your Masih Mahud.
Okay.
This is your Masih Mahud.
Your promised Messiah.
Yes.
You say that he was the return of
Jesus Christ.
Yeah.
Okay.
This is what his condition was.
I'm going to read references.
You know Ruhani Khazain?
Ruhani Khazain?
Yes or no?
Imam Sahib, Ruhani Khazain.
Do you know?
Yes, I know Ruhani Khazain.
Okay.
Ruhani Khazain.
Wait, wait, wait.
Imam Sahib.
Imam Sahib.
Ruhani Khazain.
Imam Sahib.
Imam Sahib.
Okay, I'm done.
Carry on.
Carry on.
Ruhani Khazain, chapter 19, page 435.
Mirza Sahib writes, I have two chronic diseases.
One in the upper part of my body,
which is headache and headache.
head and blood flow, hands, legs, and feet
become numb.
The pulse becomes low and in the lower
part of the second body, I have low
urine.
I have constipation.
This is a common condition.
Both of these diseases have been around for
20 years.
Mirza Sahib is writing that I have two
diseases.
One on the top of the body and
one on the lower part of the body.
The reference is Ruhani Ghazain, Volume 19, page
435.
He said the top of the body, the
diseases, headaches, in my head I get headaches,
okay, and because of that I become very
cold and my, what do you call it,
this...
I think Adnan
has...
So before Adnan...
Just a few seconds.
First of all, I wanted you to add
Raziullah because he is speaking Urdu.
Raziullah is also an Urdu speaker so that
he can confirm what he is saying.
Are you saying you don't trust the translation
Adnan gave you?
Huh?
Are you saying you do not trust the
translation that Adnan gave you?
I'm not saying that but...
You don't need Raziullah, they can speak Urdu.
You don't have to verify what he is
saying.
Can I finish?
That's what I said, do not trust him.
I don't trust him because I don't have
anything to verify.
That's fine, no problem.
The other people will correct him if he
is wrong.
That's why I wanted you to add Raziullah.
Imam Sahib, Imam Sahib, Imam Sahib, do you
think I have an audacity to quote a
page number and a volume number knowing well
thousands of people are watching, mostly Ahmadis are
watching, and I'm going to lie about a
reference?
No, I've got the reference in front of
me right now, volume 19.
There have been a lot of instances where
there have been a lot...
Imam Sahib, Imam Sahib, Imam Sahib, volume 19,
page 435, Ruhani Khazain.
He says I have an upper body disease
and I have a lower body disease.
Upper body is headaches, severe headaches, lower body
is extreme bouts of urination, I get too
much urine, and I am mostly suffering from
diarrhea, and I have had these problems for
nearly 20 years, Naseem-e-Dawood, Ruhani Khazain,
Volume 19, page 435.
Then he goes on to say, in Ruhani
Khazain, Volume 17, page 470-471, I
am a person who is permanently struck by
disease.
I am translating these words very responsibly.
I am permanently struck by disease.
I have headaches, and I have sleeplessness.
I have diabetes.
Sometimes, 100, 100 times I have to go
and urinate.
So, I have too much urination, and that
makes me weak.
Then, next reference, Ruhani Khazain, Volume 18, page
613, I
am diabetic, severely diabetic.
Sometimes, I have to go to the toilet
to urinate a hundred times.
My question is, when was he praying his
Salah?
Okay, if he's going a hundred times to
the toilet, when is he praying his Salah?
Okay, okay, okay, okay, wait, wait, before, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, we will give you, we
will give you, wait, wait, wait, wait, let
me finish, let me finish, this guy, I
am finishing, I am finishing.
You bring the Prophet of Islam in to
save your liar and your disease-stricken Messiah,
okay?
The problem here is, there is a problem,
why am I mentioning these things?
And the fact that he died upon diarrhea,
the last act of his life was diarrhea,
okay?
This is not a big deal, this doesn't
prove him to be a liar necessarily.
Get my point, I am not trying to
say that Mirza was a liar because he
ended his life with the diarrhea, no, that's
not my claim, my claim is...
So, that is why, that is why you
shouldn't have brought that point up at all.
Brother, brother, brother, please let me finish, my
problem is that Mirza claimed to be Masih
Marood, the promised Messiah, Jesus Christ, the man
who would heal by a touch, the only
way we know Jesus in the Quran, how
do we know Jesus in the Quran?
What was his greatest virtue?
Jesus would touch people and he would heal
people, he would heal lepers, he made birds
with his hands and he put them in
the air, Allah had given him powers to
heal people, try to get my point, and
Allah is so amazing, Allahu Akbar, Allah is
so great that this liar was self-confessingly
telling us who claimed to be the promised
Messiah, Isa Alayhi Salaam, Jesus that I am
disease-stricken for 20 years, I have to
go to the toilet a hundred times a
day, I am so severely diabetic and I
have so many headaches that I don't have
a normal life, I'm weak, so what claim
am I making?
Here you have a promised Messiah who is
supposed to heal people by touching them, he
himself is disease-stricken, so don't take it
to the Prophet, don't take it to Moses,
don't take it to Abraham, don't because Abraham,
Moses, and Muhammad Alayhi Salaam were not messiahs,
they were not the ones who touch people
and healed necessarily, although they have miracles, wait,
Jesus was special, Jesus was special in this,
he was special, he would touch people and
heal them, Mirza was disease-stricken for the
best part of his life.