Abu Taymiyyah – Knives Modern day Challenges & Up Close With Ust @TheBrothersCave
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If I never moved from London to Alaska,
I would either be dead, beaten, or I
would have joined ISIS.
I remember the last day of year 10.
It was, like, I was waiting outside of
my, school with knives and everything.
She would tell her husband, Aqe, you go
breastfeed the the baby from now. They've been
bullying men for such a long time.
That was my dad's biggest fear. My dad
doesn't know this, but
I thank Allah that he saved me from
that lifestyle.
Someone very very close to me actually told
me that Sheikh Tal Afouzan was extremely,
extremely angry
when this book was presented to him. He
told the Aizkah, he bring whoever's got an
issue, I'll be more than happy to discuss
it with him.
So I asked eventually I just got annoyed.
I got very irritated with her just going
on and on and on and on. I
said would you go to class like that?
Pin drop silence. Would you go to class
like that? She goes, what's wrong with her
undress?
Whenever you're ready, Habibi.
Really? Yeah.
You sure? This one is like a chilled
out discussion. Right? Yeah. Compared to yesterday, this
is That was a lot more intense. Very
intense. You know, I I went downstairs I
was on a podcast for a long time.
You might even wanna mention that. I haven't
done one long time. You haven't, actually. When
was the last time you did one? Happened?
You said when you went downstairs? Yesterday, I
went downstairs halfway through recording that one, and
I was running around down downstairs. And I
said, Abdul, he pulls me aside. He grabs
me. I'm like, what the heck? Like, he's
touching you like this. Then he's sad, he
pulls me aside. I'm like, what's wrong? He's
like, Abid, what's wrong with you? He's actually
he grabs me. He's like, Abid, what's wrong
with you? I was like, what do you
mean? He's like,
I've known you for about a year, and
I've never seen you not smiling or joking.
Like, he comes to us, so we we
always invite him around.
And I'm like, Sheikh, you don't know who
who knows this.
And he was like he was like, okay.
Whatever. Just you're coming back home with me.
I was like, come. On the drive home,
please, just switch back on. I was like,
come. And I smiled, and he started smiling.
So yesterday was just a long day for
everyone, I guess.
Game's the game, isn't it? Alright.
I haven't done a podcast for a very
long time. Yeah? When was the last time
you did a podcast?
I think it was maybe
couple of months now, maybe 5 months. Do
you remember what it was?
What was the podcast about?
You know when you do podcasts, do you
ask, like, what's the topic about? Or do
you have a specific topic to go on
or do you just wait for them to
ask questions? Yeah. Most of the time they
give me an idea of what I wanna
talk about, but I just don't know what
questions they're going to be throwing at me.
And does that make you nervous or anything?
Or
Yeah. If I don't know The thing is,
if I don't know an answer to a
question,
I'm not gonna shy away from saying Allahu
Adam.
No.
I don't feel
embarrassed to actually do so. Does that make
sense? So that's what kinda like takes the
pressure off us all.
We don't have to know everything and comment
on everything and anything.
We have to learn say, Allahu Adam. Have
you ever had a question throw you like
extremely off guard?
That I threaten you or just put you
off or something like that? I think maybe
the Medina College one hand, the one that's
going viral at this moment to take that.
That was not part of the script.
Really? That was never part of the script.
Yeah.
You still answered it? Yes.
Do you feel like you would have answered
it differently or? Yeah. Definitely. Like maybe I
I would have worded it a little bit
differently. Really? Yeah.
That's so interesting. Yeah. How would you worded
it?
Yeah. I think maybe the choice of words
weren't necessarily the best. Mhmm.
Saying to eliminate it.
Yeah. I think it may not necessarily have
been the best choice of words.
Even though what I said, it's not like
I'm the one that actually came out with
it.
Someone very, very close to me actually told
me that Sheikh Tal Afazan
was extremely, extremely angry
when this book was presented to him.
Right?
And of course, like, I was very hesitant
in mentioning Sheikh Jarrah if I was at
the time because
there's always that possibility that
it might not necessarily be the full picture
if that makes sense. Yeah.
Even recently the other day, one of the
other du'as said to me, he actually said
I'm gonna find you the voice note, I'm
gonna find you the video, whatever. So up
until this very moment, I can't actually fully
confirm that he said this.
So point being, when he was thrown at
me, that's the first one that came to
mind. I was just a bit hesitant to
mention the Shah's name.
And, of course, like, when we see the
kind of impact it that it did have,
people thinking
a certain way about,
the dawah itself
that
anyone who kinda, like, ascribes to this kind
of way, right, hates Imam Al Hanifa
or hates the madha, even whatever have you.
It is maybe one of the questions that
were out of the blue. I don't think
we plan to
even discuss this.
You don't know who the host is for
this one either?
Yeah? I heard I was dangerous, sir. No.
No. No. This is a chill one, though.
This is actually for the question you wanna
ask? No. No. It just it came to
mind.
Alright. Okay. So you recently came back from
an MSA tour. Wasn't MSA for those who
don't know? An MSA tour. It wasn't an
MSA tour? It's just a Canadian tour, like,
where we're going through Did you go to
MSA's? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Every city went to
an MSA in Muslim society.
Yeah?
But it was mainly only meant to be
like Masjid, but then we thought, you know
what? The crowds that come at universities or
come to the universities
are very different to the ones that step
into a Masjid. Say, Nam. Yeah. Very important.
Very different.
Many of them feel very uncomfortable in a
Masjid environment. Yeah. So it's a very different
crowd that you have to target. It is
where they shape their
mindsets and the way they think.
So, this is why we did that university
tour. Right? Surat Yousef Yeah. Going around the
whole country. And we'll get to that. We'll
get to that.
But MSCs in general, how are they? Just
say I don't know what he's gonna ask
me.
I honestly don't have a clue what he's
gonna ask me. So I wanna write.
Obviously,
someone said it.
Okay. So,
MSAs in general, did you find any difference
between MSAs and ISOCs?
The ones in the UK, ISOCs are the
ones in the UK. MSA is the ones
in America. I think they just name it
differently,
except that they So you didn't see any
difference, just a name difference? Actually the same.
Yeah? Yeah.
And you found it very similar? I found
the whole Muslim events and or Islamic events,
should I say, but Muslims turned up mainly.
Did you have any hostility from MSAs?
You mean the heads of the,
MSAs or you mean just in general
external factors? Both. Heads give you lucidity. Islam
trying to shut down my programs. They always
do that, Nava, right? But did you have
any heads?
No. Not at all. In fact, they're those
that are reaching out. Come. You know, we
want you. What do you mean? At the
MSA, we want you at this liberal university
and Yeah? Was there any that stood out
to you? I think all of them were
amazing. Alla Hammered. Like, they were really, really
amazing. We had,
you know, Paqta events at every single one
of them. Yeah. Full House, every university event.
It was honestly amazing. It was one of
my favorite,
you know, it was one of my favorite,
programs that I've done this year. Wow. Right?
Because when you go to the masajid,
you always get the
practicing crowd that generally comes. Mhmm. Generally, they're
the practicing crowd. Yeah. But at the MSAs,
we've got people on the fringes of their
religion. Some
have been shaken by
doubts that they came across in philosophy class,
the different classes that they've been taking at
the university.
So you got even non Muslims standing up.
And there was a discussion that a feminist,
I think she was a feminist, right? Because
she was basically standing up and
arguing for feminism or whatever have you. Yeah.
And she was agreeing. I think the video
is gonna come out, Insha'Allah, and,
in front of everyone. And then one prophet
is like, take beer.
Yeah. Are we allowed to say that?
We're allowed to say it regularly?
Are we allowed to say it regularly?
We're allowed to make a happy out of
it?
Oh, the thing is, what you call it,
doing dhikr
in congregation.
I think I need to
Please. I'm only questioning you by the way
because I know you told me before, but
I want everyone else to know this as
well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because that video
went viral, and I feel like
a lot of brothers don't know. And sisters
So our brother recently contacted me and was
very, very respectful. I even mentioned this in
the You did. You did. But podcast. We
have very different audiences. Okay. So
he basically messaged me saying, you know,
he brought out the, the video
with, Tali Dar. He came he came to
the front. Yeah. He made everyone say Tequir
in a very, very liberal university.
And the brother commented, starting off the conversation,
hope all is well, Sheikh.
Wouldn't this wouldn't this be considered
a
in terms of in just wanted to clarify
with you. So I sent him the statement
of
when he said
coming together in congregation to read Quran and
also to do.
Right? And a dua is something that is
something
that is good, recommended.
If you don't do this regularly.
Right?
Like for example, you know when we have
these weekly get togethers on a Friday Yeah.
With the
Muslims
attend the congregation, Friday khutbah.
This is like, a legislated Yeah. Regular get
together, right?
So as long as you don't turn into
that, there shouldn't be a problem. So it's
not like when we go to
a ISOC or a MSA, we basically
say that, you know, right at the end,
every time we're gonna do this. So it
was just something that was unplanned.
And he also says as long as it's
not associated with an innovated evil practice,
shouldn't be a problem. And then the prophet
said, I read something like this by Sheikh
Bimbas and Sheikh Bint Hussain,
on dying congregation also. Like if it's like
a one off thing, so.
You know,
I'm speaking with some people in their sujood
when they are in prayer, because they always
ask, should we do it after? Should we
do it inside of the salah? Yeah.
The messenger salah is some highly
encouraged that one makes dua inside of the
sujood. Yeah. He
said
strive to making dua inside of your sujood
because very likely that the dua will get
accepted. The
closest that one draws to his
Lord.
Is when he is
in the sujood position, the prostrating position. Right?
And also before you salam out, the message
has encouraged us.
Right?
Right?
So yeah. So these are the times when
the messiahs are recommended. You are inside of
the salah. The messian salah, alayhis, and told
us when you stand in the salah, you're
interacting with Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala.
Does that make sense?
So it's highly encouraged that you do it
in the salah. Does that make sense? Yeah.
However, now when you start doing it after
a salah,
if it now becomes like a regular practice,
people will begin to think that this is
maybe
a part of the pray.
You see, that's how the scholars argue it
as well.
And, if you don't actually do it, then
this is now going to become something that
is maybe problematic when in reality, there's no
evidence staying right.
How however, one done it, one off every
now and again.
It's not something that is being done regularly.
You can't actually do in car, disapprove of
that act as well, if that makes sense.
Yeah. But the best is that we do
it inside of the sujood and before it
as well because of the evidence that we
have.
Right?
May Allah bless everyone for
wanting to make dua to Allah, azza wa
jal, to ask. I mean,
sorry. I usually start off, but I forgot
to start off with, firstly thanking Achi Adnan
for letting us use his living room. May
Allah bless you for dunya raikhwa. Also, before
you move on, can I just mention something
about Canada? Right? Yes.
Okay. Canadian people have a very special place
in my heart. And
that is because,
you know some of these organizations, the MSAs,
right, the masajid, they were bombarded
by the enemies of Islam to shut down
some of these programs. Akhi, at some of
the programs we had 3,000 plus people turning
up.
I've never had that. I've been to America.
I've been Of course we had some huge
crowds in America, but I mean so consistently,
like every on a weekday as well.
Right? Ottawa, we was there Monday
night.
Was it Monday night?
Yeah. It was Monday night, I believe. Packed.
Or maybe it was a Sunday night. And
people got work next day. Yeah.
And Monday night, Tuesday night, Wednesday
night, Thursday night, Friday evening,
Rahi, they have huge massages there. I mean,
like, Regents of Aq Masjid,
maybe even bigger than that.
Right?
Packed out. Packed out. Imagine a Regents of
Aq, like, so packed out.
So this is the that was coming out
of these programs. Mhmm. And the enemies of
Islam, of course, they're gonna try and shut
it down. Right? Like, imagine they actually
gave in to
these, to these enemies and their pressures, right?
All of the Sahir may not have been
established,
right?
So how will I mandate? It really touched
me. Really, really touched me. This is what
we want from our massage and our organizations.
At the end of the day, they're just
empty. And ISOCs. Yeah. And ISOCs. Yeah. They're
just empty threats.
They try to use fear mongering tactics to
push you around and bully you. Right? Mhmm.
You can always use that card of Islamophobia.
Just like the you have now gay rights
or gay privilege. You sound like a solicitor.
What is that? Gay privilege, I've been speaking
a lot to solicitors and for a whole
year I spoke to solicitors
before I started being vocal about these things,
right? And I'm not underground at this moment
in time.
Right? I'm very, very vocal as you're aware.
I've got a lot of colorful videos on
my YouTube channel,
and none of them have been taken down
because we always put these disclaimers.
Right? Yeah. We mentioned this disclaimer here as
well. So your channel doesn't get shut down
that we're not here to incite violence. Okay.
Or phobia towards anyone.
Right? And alhamdulillah none of them akhid.
None of them budged. None of them budged.
Some of them said, yeah, they received the
emails. The designers and
the rainbow team and the skills team and
whatever have you. Right? Yeah. And,
they just deleted it.
Really? Why did they delete this really?
Along Vedic. Yeah. Yeah. Real radars. Yeah. Very
good. That really touched me, man. Because I
know there was Masajid
in the past that became very hesitant. They
were pushed around a little bit,
and they would respectfully come to me, Akhil,
who gained a lot of heat and were
struggling to deal with it. I would say
to him, Akhil, no problem.
But that's maybe like 1 or 2. Out
of all the masajid that I've gone to
in America, here, in the UK,
how many ice socks?
Right?
We did what? 27
ice socks, I think it was. Something like
that. Yeah. Some of them were
waiting
anxiously to see what their reaction is going
to be and then they started messaging later
on. So of course Really? Yeah. Yeah.
Those who took bullets for me, I'll never
look at them
the same as maybe those who are waiting
in the wings to see is he going
to get cancelled.
He has a lot of videos that are
maybe a bit controversial,
and so they were waiting.
Wow. But, we couldn't fit them in. Too
late. You missed a slot.
Anyways. Yeah. Sorry if I do look a
bit finished.
I was supposed to be on a plane
right now. The flight got I feel like
I missed my flight, actually. Never missed a
flight ever. Hamdah. As soon as I missed
it, I was like, cool. Podcast time. We
went to do it yesterday,
but we were filming from 12 till 10.
Mhmm. It's 10 hours.
I have no regrets.
It's meant to be.
I think very much so. Alhamdulillah. Alhamdulillah. So
a lot of people don't know what it
takes
to run podcasts.
I don't even live in this country. To
just record.
Yeah. Like many people don't realize what the
amount of effort that goes into just getting
a video uploaded Yeah, yeah, yeah. But how
much money goes into it?
Like, how many times I actually have to
pay a cameraman, Adnan. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Long.
To come over and record this one lecture.
I have to pay for my own pocket.
And then he has to edit it and
then get it uploaded. It's not an easy
process. Yeah.
It's not simple at all. So it's highly
appreciated, allay, when brothers and sisters, they cut
out small little clips and then they upload
it onto different social media platforms and it
starts going viral. TikTok?
Yeah. Well, I don't even have an active
TikTok account as you're aware.
And I would say maybe 30% of people
who come to the visit when I do
these programs are maybe from TikTok.
Really? Yeah.
Like one time,
I I asked them who came because of
TikTok.
I think maybe 30% for their hand up.
Where? In Canada or? Some some of them
are sajid. So I was like, subhanAllah, even
though I warned Alhamdulillah.
On TikTok and the warnings actually go viral
to TikTok.
Let's talk.
You know?
That's just my position, guys. I hate TikTok.
I think TikTok is a problem.
It's owned by the Chinese.
I take the same position.
I take the same position. I think there's
a there's a reason why,
you know, certain tabs are limited for the
Chinese.
But then when it comes to everyone else,
they're able to access every
type of garbage you can think of.
Wow. You know about that? Yeah. Of course,
I do. Allahum Varedik. What, solicitors or just
you plot? Yeah. Like I said to you,
I have been in contact with solicitors for
a very long time. I speak to them.
I try to
before I actually say anything, Alhamdulillah, I'm still
standing.
Still moving out freely. Yeah. I'm not locked
up inside of a chain bar on the
ground.
It has not affected my doubt whatsoever. I
remember brothers who are very close to me,
they would mess him and say, Ahi, you're
gonna get into trouble and this and that.
You're gonna lose all of your opportunities.
Now they're coming out doing the exact same
thing as me. So I'm, well, I it's
a
it's a great pleasure to be an inspiration
to,
our fellow brothers. Yeah. But I was actually
being told not to, and I would tell
them brothers and sisters.
Allah to have covenant with the people who
know.
Right? People that have knowledge, then He clarify
to the people.
Right? We complain about
national anthem being sang in a masjid
or our kids coming home now
not knowing which pronoun to use and we're
sitting around feeling sorry for ourselves, but what
are the root causes?
We,
as people that give Dua, we need to
sit down. Okay. Why is this problem happening?
What's the root cause for it? Yeah. And
I feel like that's not not enough.
What is the root cause for us to
why this problem is happening?
Does that make sense? Yeah. Right. And we
can maybe put it down to us not
propagating that which is correct enough.
Like, think about it for a moment. The
red pill is a knee jerk reaction to
feminism.
They've been bullying men for such a long
time, Akhi.
First, it all just started, Akhi, we want
certain rights, then it became equal rights up
to the point where
she'll tell the husband Akhi, you go breastfeed
the the baby from now.
I'm gonna go for work. I've got stuff
to do. Akhi, which means the guy.
You see what I'm saying?
And then these brothers, and men began to
feel extremely
feminine and
hard done by, bullied,
and pushed
to a corner. And then this whole Red
Bull movement came up came up as a
knee jerk reaction. And we don't need any
of that. We have Islam. Islam is so
perfect.
Islam is so perfect.
Like the Red Bull, for example, glorifies men
sleeping around,
and
they, they see this as something that is
masculine.
But when it comes for a woman or
when it comes to a woman,
she shouldn't be doing that. Or this is
something that she's
maybe,
you know, demonized for. Why should I be?
Right?
Yeah. What determines what is correct and what
is morally acceptable or not?
We don't need all of us, it's garbage.
Islam is fair and just
in everything that it has told us to
carry out.
The admonishments and the instructions
are clear. We don't need any of these
modern day ideology. And I've spoken about it
a lot, and I've
pointed out the contradictions in every ideology,
every,
way of life that teaches how to structure
your life.
And some programs, InshaAllah, lectures are going to
come out. InshaAllah.
So a lot of people hear the term
or when they start practicing, hear terms such
as,
Salafi, Ikhwani,
Sufi,
etcetera, etcetera.
What are these terms? What do they mean?
And is it something we should be worried
about? And by the way, for those who
don't know, Abid, he's actually the ISOC president
of Westminster University.
So he gets a lot of questions. He
gets a lot of people coming to him,
looking for inspiration. Ex president.
Oh, you're not another president anymore? I'm not
even in union anymore. Oh, yeah. You told
me to say.
I left.
Last you made the hay, you moved to
Dubai.
The
game's the game.
You're putting all labels and names to the
side for a moment. Right?
I'm just going to say what Ibn Uthaima
Ahmedullah Ali mentioned. And it's on my YouTube
channel as well. I've spoken about it time
and time again.
I had the videos called something along the
lines of real Salafism and sectarian Salafism. Sometimes
we tend to focus too much,
on labels and,
who to side with and whatever have you.
We, as Muslims,
should be following the Quran
and the sunnah of the messenger
according to the understanding
of the companions,
the
Right?
This term,
Salafi has been tarnished, been tainted.
Right? Unfortunately.
Even though in essence,
it means, you know, salafism or salafi means
Quran according to the
meaning the 3 golden generations.
Means predecessor.
Does that make sense? So when we hear
righteous predecessors.
And every Muslim should be following the 3
golden generations, those who the messes,
informed us of.
The best generation is my generation, those who
came after and those who came after them.
Right?
And Sheikh Hamath Amin mentioned this a very,
very long time ago that,
that he's he fears that this is not
going to become,
like, partisan,
groupism, sectarianism.
And we need to be very careful of
that.
Right? We need to be more concerned about
our actions being in line with those 3
golden generations.
That's the understanding we should follow. Quran's not
the understanding.
That's how any
individual who ascribe himself to Islam should practice
Islam.
Right?
And then the moment you begin to ascribe
yourself to a particular
group,
what tends to happen is,
right, you feel the need
or the sense of belonging is created where
you have to create everything that the sheikh
has maybe what,
you know, instructed his people to.
And it makes it very, very hard to
kinda like
to swivel away or
to move around
and becomes very, very problematic in that sense.
So
anyone who has taken this ideology,
even if you've never ever come out of
your bedroom, just at home, no one knows
who you are. I'm going to follow the
Quran and the sunnah
upon the 3 golden generations. This is,
right, how one should be practicing a Islam
and he's on his way to
following that, which is correct.
And one should never think that he has
a green card
of entering into the jinnah just because now
I've accepted this methodology.
I think that's very, very important. Sometimes you
walk around as if, okay, we're
going to agenda and everyone else else is
in is in the hellfire. That's again, a
very wrong way of thinking.
It's a very wrong way of thinking. In
fact, we've been taught that we have to
worship Allah between hope and fear. Right?
Sometimes labeling yourself, believing that you're the one
that's going to agenda, it kinda, like,
creates this delusional
thought process
within you
that I am saved,
which may lead you to becoming very, very
complacent.
A Muslim should always be on his toes.
He fit hypocrisy for himself.
Today we walk around as if we have
a green card to enter into a jannah,
and looking down at others belittling them.
So, like I said, clearly and explicitly, the
Quran and the sunnah on the understanding of
the companions, the Tabi'in,
tabiis, and those who
came after the tabiis. On that
activity.
Yeah. Sorry. On that, what advice would you
give to someone
who wants to start practicing right now?
Right now, what's the first advice piece of
advice you give? I'll say to him, study
the advice of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala upon
you at Tawhid.
Right?
And anything that is going to what?
Destroy your Tawhid, which is the most precious
thing that a Muslim,
right, can hold on to. Most precious thing.
You see Tawhid. This is your Islam. Tawhid
means monotheism.
Learning the rights of Allah
upon you. Right? Tawhid,
the lordship.
How to single out Allah as well in
his lordship.
Singling out Allah in his worship, and then
also learning about the names and attributes of
Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala.
Right?
So this is very, very important. Very, very
important. And anything that is going to now
lead to your tuhid diminishing.
Right? And kufr and shirk are of different
types and forms, if that makes sense.
It's not just idol worship anymore. A lot
of time when we mention shirk, first thing
that comes to mind is what idol worship.
Like, there are so many different types of
shirken,
minor shirken
that is going to affect your Tahira, if
that makes sense,
and completely cause it to
be almost non existent.
Right? And then, of course, you have these
modern day ideologies as well that come in
different types and forms.
Many didn't actually know that feminism and liberalism
and secularism affects and compromises you to hate.
I had to spell it out.
Right? You know, we discussed the other day
how some may,
accuse me I'm not calling tawhid.
So I asked the brother, okay, what am
I calling to? Because you speak a lot
about feminism, liberalism, secularism, and this kind of
stuff and LGBTQ and whatever have you,
even though I've talked to him to hate
him in times. Right?
Over 9 times.
More than a lot of the brothers who
talk. I like to call I had.
So I'd actually spell out
10 concepts that compromise it to hate. We
mentioned shit, feminism, liberalism, secularism, and
all the stuff. And it compromises you to
hate in so many different ways.
One of these sentiments that feminists have is
calling for religion to be
reinterpreted.
This takes out the fold of Islam that
you want religion to be completely
reinterpreted? Look how dangerous that is.
Of course, you know, we believe there are
conditions and preventative factors when it comes to
and
we don't just outrightly call people and whatever
have but I'm saying, Akhi, some of the
sentiments are very dangerous. Like, when a sister
comes out and says that this verse is
oppressive because it doesn't fit the narrative of
equal rights. These are very dangerous statements.
And when you look at now,
you know, secularism for example, right, the separation
of
religion from the state.
How religion is not fit, our religion is
not
good enough now to serve
our dunya affairs,
Right. If you wanna practice Islam, you can
go and do that inside of your house.
Now you look at liberalism, which is so
individualistic,
right, Just revolves around an individual. That's how
they look at it. You're almost worshiping yourself
if not.
Right?
You seen no one who has taken his
desires as his god? Allah says that in
the Quran.
So these are some very, very dangerous
modern day ideologies that compromise you to hate.
Right?
And also when when you had books like
Nawakkad al Islam authored
treaties. Right?
The sheikh didn't restrict and limit
these ten things that take you out of
the fold of Islam to only that.
He only picked that because they were very
common in his time. Does that make sense?
So in today's day and age, we have
that which is, subhanAllah,
a lot more common than
maybe some other aspects that were more common
in previous times.
So, you know, we have to kinda like
really emphasize and and place,
a lot of focus on
it. Does that make sense?
Very much so.
So
many people may know. Many people may not
know. You did actually live in London. Your
entire youth
was in London.
5 years. Yeah. 5 years. Yeah. Yeah. Before
you went Yemen, I believe.
Yes. Before I moved to Lestat. I moved
to Lestat, and then I went to Yemen
after a year or so. What was your
youth like here in London versus how you
see it is how it is now?
Well, I I think it's maybe worse right
now.
Really? How so? London was maybe back in
the day. It could be maybe is it
someone may argue otherwise.
By the time, Yani, it was really bad.
Really, really bad. I remember the last day
of year 10.
There was, like, guys waiting outside of my
school. It was called Holloway School at the
time. Right? Holloway School. Holloway. School's something else
now.
It was, like, maybe 30 guys waiting for
me outside with knives and
everything. For you? For 1 guy.
Oh, yeah.
So I think that kinda like answers your
question. So
I actually jumped
over the gate
from the back of the school.
Yeah? Yeah.
Heard you athletic?
A baller?
Big time.
Is that have you got you got evidence
for that or is that just a self
claim? Oh, Yaki. I think the brothers have
a who I have humiliated on the 4
page.
They should be commenting inshallah once they're
here. So
Very very slick, silky, skillful.
Yeah? Very quick.
Left mid. If you had to,
compare yourself to a player, similar play style.
We're just talking play style here. We're not
talking I don't know. Some of the players
I mentioned, I don't understand.
Go on. So maybe
Firstly, what position do you play?
I used to play left mid. Left mid.
Okay. Also inside of the hole.
Like Ozil, you know? Oh, so yeah.
The guy that basically sets everyone up and
at the same time, they score and It's
a star. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I think maybe one play that was very,
very quick back in the day was,
I mean, that would just speed pass everyone.
Maybe Cristiano Ronaldo when he used to play
on the left, I think he changed later
on. Right? Talking about back in the day
when we used to watch football and we're
crazy about it.
Like, on the left very, very quick. Did
you support anything? No. I'll tell you. They're
all caught.
Do you remember? You think you're all caught?
Like, fine. Yeah. Yeah. Because we we grew
up,
You and all caught grew up together? No.
No. No. We grew up near the Arsenal
stadium.
Oh, yeah. You did. You did. Very big
on Arsenal. Like, we grew up seeing Arsenal.
While Walker was at Arsenal? I went to
Highbury many, many times as well and walked
on the pitch.
Really? Played on the late in orient pitch.
Really? Pitches all. As in you played games
for for a team, are you? It's like
on the pitch sometimes there would be tournaments
would have had you. Right? Yeah.
So, So did you really see your future
as a bowler when you were when you
were bowler? Maybe that was my dad's biggest
fear.
Talk to me about that. That's nuts, really.
That was my dad's biggest fear because he
he said to himself this guy's gonna make
it because of how quick I was and
That was your dad's fear. He's gonna make
it.
Yeah. I've I've I've spoken about this before,
Abidwa. You know, I had transfer.
Maruf. Yeah. Oh, Maruf. You know?
I mean, everyone told me. Yeah.
And my football train has happened to be
inside of his bedroom.
Really? The morning when I was meant to
be going for trials, right? Yeah. And I
forgot it in there because I was showing
my new boots to my mother at the
time. So I basically creeped in. That's so
cute. I love that. I creeped in and
then I wanted to take in and he
woke up. So where are you going this
early?
Yeah. And then he just went on lecture
1.
But what did he have against it? Like,
what's wrong with going to trial? He told
me the reason because he's gonna become
maybe a drinker, you're gonna be clubbing, and
you're gonna be doing all this and all
that. And allahi man, I I never looked
back, you know. Now
I thank Allah that he saved me from
that lifestyle.
Because I speak sometimes to football players.
Quite a few of them have messaged me,
and I know exactly what they're going through.
Being in that environment, you wanting to practice
as well can be very, very difficult.
Very difficult.
Like, when everyone's doing something and you're like
the black sheep. That's what they call it.
Right? Everyone out. It can be very, very
hard to maintain that.
And it impacts you over time. Right?
It dents you. It kinda like tires you.
You begin to wear out.
And,
you know, when you look at the hadith
of the man who killed 99 and then
he ended up killing the monk, made a100,
and then he found eventually a person of
knowledge. What did he advise him to do?
Indeed there are people over there that worship
Allah, worship Allah with them.
Right? Go there and worship Allah with them.
So what do you say with them? It's
a very important benefit from this story.
Like, what does that show you? When you're
around people that do something, it becomes a
lot more easier.
Like in the month of Ramadan, we find
it easy to fast as opposed to being
outside the month of Ramadan, no one's doing
it, or when you have to make up
fast. Right? There's a big difference.
Yeah.
We get that a lot with the ISOC
events actually. Yeah. I'm gonna let brothers and
sisters saying it's much more like that. I
had recently actually just,
some sisters were saying,
they only wear hijab when they come to
Arsuk events because that's when they feel comfortable.
It's more comfortable for them. It's the first
time they wear hijab, which is amazing. It's
a problem. And this is what I advise
sisters with us all. When they ask me,
okay, what are some of the tips,
when it comes to, you know, being steadfast
on my hijab? It's like, sister, hang around
with sisters who maintain the hijab. Yeah. Yeah.
And this is one of the evidences I
give them.
Right?
Like he told this murderer who took a
100 lives to go to this place and
to leave where he is because people will
be there to worship Allah with them. It
becomes so much more easier and lighter on
the soul to carry out the act of
worship. As opposed to when you're hanging around
with girls, go clubbing, don't wear the hijab.
Again, you feel that like that black sheep.
Yeah.
Does that make sense? We mentioned earlier oh,
sorry. You mentioned earlier,
sometimes you speak to footballers.
Recently, you've had a couple of rappers in
your story. I won't mention any names. I
don't wanna approve them or anything. But why
is that?
Very well known as well. Again, Yani, they
reached out to me. Yeah? Yeah. They reached
out to me. They felt very comfortable. Well,
I'm so grateful that,
you know, people who are involved,
in this kind of industry, they feel comfortable
to,
reach out to me even though I'm not
actually compromising
my dress code or
trying to come across as
relevant and,
or approachable, if that makes sense. Well, I'm
just trying to give dawah and they feel
that, you know, that,
they feel very comfortable to reach out.
And,
there was another one that we actually ran
into.
I'm not gonna mention his name, but we
ran into him. And,
and SubhanAllah, he was about to do something,
but then after seeing us, he didn't do
it.
And he was just shocked, like, when he
saw,
right, myself and another brother.
Yeah. I'm trying very hard not to give
out information because I don't want anyone to
feel like that. But just to make you
understand Yeah. I think it was like I've
been watching your videos for how long? For
the longest
time. And then he never done it. He
just left.
You know?
So
I'm so grateful. Maybe because of certain things
that I say at the beginning of lectures
where everyone's welcome to truck dealer, whatever have
you. Like, it really blew off when I
said that
in Ramadan.
Right? I said something along the lines of,
I don't care if you're the biggest drug
dealer in Alham Rock or something. Like, come.
Right?
And even says,
says, there's no more hijab.
Says they are committing zina. They reach out.
They feel comfortable to reach out. Say, what
do I do? I've just become
impregnated. Can I have an abortion?
And,
and I'm really grateful to Allah for that.
People actually feel that comfort now
to ask questions and they know they're not
going to be judged.
Yeah. And this is
the type of environment I've been trying to
create, a non judgmental environment where everyone's welcome.
What traits would you say or
what specific things do you do
that you'd recommend
to others
for that to be possible for people to
feel comfortable to reach out to you no
matter what their circumstance or background?
Yani, when you approach somebody and you have
a certain type of feature, is a feature
like, you know, the word I'm looking for,
like the way you
make your face can go a very long
way. Mhmm. Like, if I go to someone
who's sinning and I smile at him,
make him feel comfortable, it's okay.
Right? We are all sinners.
However, we kinda like, you know, try and
do something about it. We've opened there once
upon a time.
As I was saying, what you're doing is
wrong.
Allah says,
you were like that once upon a time
and then Allah
bless you.
He showered his favors upon you.
I think the way worded, the way we
approach it the first time around. Yeah. Because
those who are not practicing as Ibn al
Qay mentions and they're sinning. Right? They tend
to feel this type of alienation that practicing
people are a certain way and they'll try
to avoid you. Yeah. So you have to
like go out your way to just make
them
feel the extra comfort
and reassure them that listen,
we've all been there. We're all in it
together.
Right?
Has been surrounded with.
We're trying to get to a jannah, and
we're gonna
you know? I think maybe that's very, very
important.
Yeah.
You mentioned earlier,
can I say something else? Also something
The pronoun
we.
Why are you giving me that look? Because
I said pronoun. No. No. No. Negative connotation
now. Why I can't smile anymore?
Saying we instead of you.
We are all sinners. Instead of saying you're
a sinner Yes. You stop this. Yes. Yes.
Yes. I've noticed that.
When I give a sermon, say us, us,
us.
So that you guys
people are gonna look at you. Okay. Look
how,
this guy thinks of himself.
Does that make sense? Yeah. And when you
talk about we, it comes across
a lot more,
you know. I like that. That's a very
good tip.
You mentioned before,
some
you probably get this quite regularly. People coming
up to you saying, I've just committed
this sin, this sin, this sin. One thing
that might be quite regular is Zena.
So for someone who has just committed it
and obviously the feeling, I'm assuming you mentioned
it many times, the feeling one feels after
that is devastating.
So what might be most common is,
a very common question is,
what do I do? What does one do
after they've committed?
You
immediately
immediately make talk with Allah, azza wa jal.
What I normally advise everyone with, with is
what the messengers of Allah said.
Go make and then pray to rakaat.
Right?
Go make
and then pray 2 units of prayer.
And repent to Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala.
Repent to
Allah
and keep fighting your nephews. Today, I actually
put out a tweet.
Yeah. I'm gonna read read out a tweet.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Is is
it's good that you asked this. The tweet
that I put out was
may Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala assist every individual
who's trying the utmost best to overcome this
and an addiction.
It's really heartbreaking when reading your emails and
messages, and I just want to say keep
striving. It's only a matter of time before
you succeed,
and you will be rewarded for every second
that you keep on fighting for.
Right? Allah says,
Those who strive in our way. Right?
We will guide them to know which is
correct. Show Allah that you're really bad, they
want to keep fighting against the nafs.
Right?
And being the right to Allah,
you'll find yourself in a very good place
over
time.
Even if you go back into the scene,
you know,
repent again. Keep trying, keep trying, keep trying.
Shaitan does not want you to feel
as if you are,
right, taking strides forward.
And, yes, it comes with that feeling that
makes you feel extremely, extremely,
miserable,
awful.
Ashamed.
Ashamed.
I'm not worthy
of being forgiven.
Even recently, subhanahu wa'am, dealt with a brother
who is carrying out homosexual practices.
Like I'm
entering into this conversation,
right,
thinking that I have to
maybe try to convince him that this does
not fall in line with Islamic values and
morals.
But now he goes, okay. I I asked
him one of the questions, right, when I
realized that he's actually feeling bad about whatever
he's doing. This is him telling me this.
Yeah.
I said, how do you feel after you've
carried out this homosexual practice?
And he said the 4 letter word. Right?
I don't wanna mention it, of course. It's
not befitting.
He goes, I feel like that.
I was like,
Right?
That he actually feels that sense of regret
and remorse
because he can work with him in that
sense, if that makes sense.
So a lot of people feel that way,
ashamed,
bad about themselves.
Yeah.
So he advised Mahi to keep striving, man.
And also try to identify
what is causing you to fall into the
sin. I normally advise people get a pen
and paper.
Write down the sin. What is causing the
sin
next to it?
Sin? Okay. This is a sin. And the
next way, write what is causing you now
to fall into the sin? Is it a
phone?
What is it?
Is it maybe because you are alone all
the time? Because when you're alone, the shayta
is more closer to someone when he's alone
than when you're with someone else.
Right? As the messenger of Allah said.
Right? So
maybe it's you being alone all the time
or the shaytan gets the better of you.
Could be the phone.
It might well be that you need to
detox for a period of time.
Okay. You need to get rid of these
smartphones and maybe have this
do you record it? A trap phone
for a period of time. A trap phone,
yeah. Yeah. A brick phone
that we used to have
back in the day. We used to play
snake on. Were you old enough then or?
Used to bang snake.
Yeah. Yeah.
I tried to identify, and then, okay, what
can I actually do now to
to overcome these
these causes?
So we've spoken about quite a few issues
plaguing the youth today.
What would you say
is the overarching issue
that plagues
us young people
or whether to be young,
university or the same demographic, similar demographic?
What would you say plagues us the most?
What do you mean?
What issue?
Is there a prevalent issue, or is it
just a mix of everything?
Well, of course, you know, the
we talk about this issue all the time
whether it is the fitna of social media.
Of course, we're moving into a very different
era
where everyone's glued to their phones.
Once upon a time, everyone would be outside
playing football or doing sports and hanging around
outside.
I think that's, you know,
you know, it's it's it's gone really, really
It's declined. Yeah? Yeah.
So we were just on their phones. Yeah.
So I keep telling the du'aataki, online presence
is extremely important. You might travel 3, 4
hours and no one's sitting there because they
don't know you. Not that I'm trying to
say you're gonna go fame hunting or whatever.
Right?
We're just to have that presence so people
come across the dower.
Does that make sense? Yeah.
Allahu alayhi
tuklaan.
It's a very different world than what it
was before. So this online presence is extremely
important.
Yeah. Of course, social media,
you know, the filth on social media and
so on and so forth
as maybe the root cause for a lot
of filth
that people are becoming addicted to.
Yeah. And of course, you have the fitna
of
the universities and what have you. Moment you
step foot, everything is inviting you to Haram.
It's so much more So easily accessible.
Yeah. And you know better.
Yeah. So it kinda like So you'd tell
people to get off social media full stop?
Well, that actually depends. If this is not
a cause for you becoming addicted to filth
and evil.
Like I tell the sisters sometimes when they
ask me about
how to become better
in wearing the hijab
or, you know, how to remain steadfast on
it,
Stop following some of these girls that
are dressed inappropriately.
You're constantly looking at them. Whether you see
it or not, it's subconsciously creeping into you.
Right?
Yeah.
Very sure, Islam.
Just is very random. Yeah. But a lot
of people obviously see you with AirPods in.
They've actually fallen out as we're speaking here.
Yeah. So it fall out. Okay. Why do
you always want AirPods in?
Where's the other one somewhere?
There
is. Why is that? No. I'm not saying
there's anything wrong with it. There's a lot
of people who might be curious. No. No.
No. Yeah. You always you always There's even
a conspiracy going on that, you know, when
I was leading to to Ravi,
a video
of me leading went viral,
that I'm actually listening to what I'm reading.
Yeah. People genuinely thought that. Yeah. Yeah. Why
did that video go viral?
Oh, no. I'm I'm reading with Khalif and
Hamza. It's got the apples in it. Oh,
that one. Yeah. There was another one where
I remember
this was after the KC Iftar.
You went and led in Greenwich, I think
it was, or something like that. KC Iftar.
Yes. Do you remember? Yes. Yes. Yes. All
the way to the other side of London,
you finished.
Yeah. You were don't worry. You were really
tired.
You know that was the 29th
night of Ramadan. Yeah.
I led every single night of Tarawah.
And especially now the last 14 or 13
days, I've done lectures
Yeah.
Back to back.
And I was doing Taraweeh
and in the same time as well. Yeah.
I was gone.
A lot of people don't know that. They
don't know the context. That, the year before
that,
it was the 20th night when I kinda
like reached
would you wanna call it breaking point
or like,
Boiling point. Yeah. Not boiling point. I mean,
like, I was Finished. On the verge of
basically, like, switching off.
And then, I realized I needed to stop
when
I led Tahajjud. He was like the smaller
Surah and I started making mistakes on the
smaller Surah. This is last year.
Right? I was like, okay. I need to
take a break in it. Yeah. Yeah. It
was it was very, very intense.
And it's it's not like I started leading
Tarawee at a very young age. No. I
actually started very, very late
compared to everyone else. Really? She started maybe
a
I think it was
maybe 5 years ago, 4 years ago maybe.
Wow. Alhamdulillah. Yeah. I only left for 3
nights, and even then I was shaking.
Really?
Talk to me. Yeah. I love hearing this.
I always ask brothers, first night the entire
No. When it comes to, giving lectures and
I started back in 2014.
Tarawa is different. Tarawah is a whole different
ball game. Different. Yeah. You don't realize
that, it's actually a very, very terrifying experience
and what the imam is going through. He
makes a mistake and then you got people
discussing his mistake up until they reach the
house of Sheikh. Oh, the imam made a
mistake. I'm not always going through. No idea.
It is. Did you have the leg shake?
Yeah. At the beginning, was shaking 3 days.
I was reading so quickly as well. 3
nights it was. And then the next year,
I did a little bit more. And then
the following year, I did much more. Yeah.
And,
yeah.
I remember one time to my teacher
in the Haram, in Mak in Haram in
Madani. Right? My Quran teacher. I was like,
He didn't do the properly in this video.
And he said to me, listen.
Listen.
Haram has.
Generally speaking, the pulpit has an awe, you
know, fear.
Yeah.
SubhanAllah.
Imagine how. Yeah. Yeah. So
anyways, alhamdulillah, this time around, I actually managed
to get to the 29th, and I'm still
going,
you know, strong.
And then, I it was the last it
was just it was just Amma.
So Jema, he read up until,
I
think it was.
So I had to start from. Mhmm.
Like, read every Friday.
I'm reading it, but I can't like my
head is all over the place. Like, I'm
I'm really struggling. Yeah. I made a mistake
up until I didn't make any mistakes this
time.
But once I reached
Mhmm.
So a teen or a woman. Smaller and
you've done the if the if that was
even hard, like, you've done the, you know,
the Yeah. The longer ones right?
I said to the imam behind me I
was like, Shaha can't do it.
Yeah I couldn't man, I couldn't. It was
very difficult.
And then Very very tiring. And then there
was, I think, a father to a queen.
He just wanted to be he just wanted
this to be live for the people to
witness the end of the Quran. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. May Allah bless him. Yeah. And then
I think it was some
anyways,
whatever he was,
but, you know, cut out a part of
it and had a field day. But, you
know, Allah
defends his believers.
So many brothers came out. So many brothers
came out to Everyone came out.
Yeah. Alhamdulillah. Yeah. It was a very the
issue is the minority is very loud,
because of these platforms.
But yeah, I was just I remember going
home and I was, I saw it go
viral. Then I clocked.
You went straight from the you didn't even
have iftar.
You did the Yeah. I couldn't. Otherwise, we're
gonna be late. Yeah. You went from, West
London. You took, like, a slice of watermelon,
a date,
like, 3 grapes for your driver as well.
And you just left, went all the way
to the outside of London,
and then the rest is all online. Yeah.
Maybe because of our sins, we need people
we need the reward then.
Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very good. Yeah.
Because of our shortcomings,
Allah uses this to expedite our sins.
Yeah.
Very true. Yeah.
Okay. So I'm gonna take a different turn
now. You've been to Ummaz
with many,
many, many different groups. Even we've been together
on on Fisa,
And you've seen many, many before and afters.
Were there any that stood out to you?
So, of course, my dad's gone on. I've
been doing it with my dad. Yep. Very
sure. Yeah.
Since 2012.
And he just normally tends to take everyone
that wants to run over our young and
old families. Yeah.
And most Umrah groups have basically been like
that. One of the best Umrah groups that
I personally have been on is,
5 star Umrah,
and that's because the crowd is very, very
different. Yeah.
I always wanted to engage with that kind
of crowd like drug dealers, people are trying
to flip their lives around, people who hold
knives. Yeah. They've been there, you know Yeah.
Once upon a
time. So I can kinda like really understand
them.
Right?
And they feel that level of connection with
myself as well. So someone who can understand
where they're coming from and where they've been.
I told you guys before, it was your
video. Right?
The helicopter chasing me
once upon a time. Yeah.
So Aki is is very, very touching, especially
in the last night. Very, very touching.
When you see these prophets, Aki, they got
tears in their eyes. They were gangsters one
once upon a time, and now they want
to change their lives
around, and they're crying
and or maybe seeing that drug dealers
the moment they see the Kaaba breaking down
into tears Yeah.
They're meant to be from the most arrogant
people on the streets of London or the
streets of
other cities, but
upon seeing it, that moment, I just look
at I say the moment I have to
look at their faces
Yeah. And see how much it humbles them.
SubhanAllah.
Even look at DJ Khaled.
You see those clips going around?
I tend to use this as an example
when speaking about kids
running
around, stabbing one another, murdering one another.
You wouldn't ever think about punching the Kaaba
or breaking the Kaaba or
looking to demolish it. Right?
That
the
that Kaaba is destroyed
and each part of it is removed out
of the Haram 1 by 1. It's still
not
as big of a as an issue than
taking the soul of a Muslim.
So I would say like he got people
like they see the Kaaba, they get humble,
they begin to cry.
And Allah and the messenger is saying,
destroying this Kaaba that humbles people upon seeing
it.
People feel humbled by looking at it. Right?
It's still not
as much of an issue in the eyes
of Allah compared
to you taking the life of another.
So, like, I would just, like, take that
moment out to
look at their faces, look at their eyes
becoming watery.
Upon seeing a cabin, I know where he's
just come from. Yeah.
Right?
This guy was slapping people on the streets
of London. Yeah. That make sense?
No. Was there anyone that stood out to
you without saying their names? Where they're from?
Yeah. Yes. What they've been through? A lot
of prophets, man. A lot of prophets.
Yeah? Yeah. 1 prophet,
he broke down,
and I told him,
don't let it be that I'm the one
that's giving the reminder at your grave.
This brother would never leave his house
without a knife.
Maybe sometimes too that he's carrying.
This is the kind of area that he
was from,
and he would ask me for advice.
Right. What should I do? I told him,
move out of the area. The story of
the man who killed a 100.
And this is something that helped flip my
life around us all. I always say, right,
if I never moved from London to Leicester,
I would either be
dead, imprisoned, or I would have joined ISIS.
Because many brothers from the area end up
joining ISIS.
So alhamdulillah, his brother actually has flipped his
life around. I always ask about him.
I was elated with him. They tell me
Mashallah is doing really well. A long day.
Yeah. Yeah.
So alhamdulillah, that brother,
I remember when I said that to him,
it's
it really broke him and he he just
broke down into tears.
What do you think it is about Umrah
that
is so attractive to
those who really wanna make a change. Allah
made a very blessed place,
The Kaaba.
It's a very blessed place.
That
was the verse also before.
And it's a guidance.
I remember the first time I went. Maybe
it was the second time.
It it was a trip that was meant
to,
yeah, and he cleansed me. That's why my
dad took us there before we moved to
Lestar.
Or we moved there and then straight away
went Umrah, and then it was a whole
different
story after that. This is just after I
came off the streets. My friend got shot
and
whatever heavy. Right?
Aqsa Allah has seen the Kaaba just being
in that area.
Right? It was so like heart wrenching.
When everyone was about to leave, I just
wanted to run away from my family
and hide behind 1 of the pillars of
the Kaaba or one of the pillars of
the Haram.
I don't wanna leave.
My dad doesn't know this, but
I remember the the night before that, I
went into have you seen the the Hilton
Hilton right in front of it? Yeah. Yeah.
I don't think it's called Hilton anymore.
The one right next to the clock tower.
It used to be called Hilton. You know,
in the clock tower and then you have,
you know, the brown windows?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know it's about yeah.
Yeah. I think it's called Millennium or something
like that. No.
Wallah.
You know what I'm talking about. Right? Yes.
It's Ranias Hotel. I I I would basically
walk in,
and then I would just go to the
different stalls and
and the hotel
Yeah. Yeah. Check out and or check-in, whatever
they call it, and I would ask them
for a job.
Really? Please give me a job, guys. You
know? This is why you are an online,
I'm assuming. Yeah. This is back in,
2009
ish 10.
Yeah. Well, it's not even that longer.
Yeah. 2009. Please guys, you know, can I
have a job? I'll be ready to even.
I just wanna be close to the Kaaba.
No. I just need a a plan to
convince my parents to stay here, to run
away from them.
And did you any reflect? A lot of
dua and then subhanAllah happened.
I think it was like 4 years after
that, maybe 5 years.
I, you know, I came to Al Medina,
got accepted.
I spent 6 years in Al Medina. SubhanAllah.
Come back and forth to Haramain.
Yeah.
How many times did you apply for the
JAMA?
I think it was 6 times.
Yeah. Every year, I would apply. My dad
actually would be the one that take me
to have these interviews.
Really?
Hello, Madeline. So your your dad was a
big
He always wanted to go to Medina. Like,
you know, it was it was his dream.
Very good.
On that, what advice would you give to
parents
who see their kids in uni,
doing balloons, vaping,
engaging in all sorts of this fascia?
The parents have a big role to play,
and the parents, you know better than me,
are very they feel very helpless now
how strong it's become. What advice would you
give to them?
Lai,
of course, now, you know, the the milk
has spilled.
It's not like you're asking me the question.
What can they do before their children end
up taking this path? Yeah. Milk milk has
been spilled. And as the saying goes, you
know, don't cry over spilled milk or you
can't cry over spilled milk. Right?
As a parent, you know, I would advise
you to better your ways. You need to
correct whatever you're doing. That may well be
wrong.
Your salahi,
your righteousness can go a very long way
with regards to your kids.
Right?
Wakana Abuhamah.
Salihah.
A huge lesson from this part of Surat
Kahf.
From 7 generations ago.
So
now 7 generations after Allah
protected these children
because
of the righteousness of that father, of that
7th or you know
generation.
Great. Great. Great. Yeah. Great. Great. Great. Yeah.
So you just work on your salah here
and he rectifies sometimes Allah Azzawaj tests us
with our children because of something that we've
done. Yeah.
Right? We need to be self critical instead
of, like, pointing fingers at everyone. Maybe
I'm going through this because of
my negligence.
I would be extremely,
easy going with them when it came to
sinning. I would turn a blind eye. Maybe
because I was doing it,
how can I tell my children that they
shouldn't be doing it?
Does that make sense? Yeah.
Sometimes,
you know, this is the case with parents.
They know it's wrong, but because they don't
wanna do it, they're not gonna, of course,
you know, do tarbih of their kids in
that way. Yeah.
So to make a lot of dua at
this moment in time to work towards rectifying
yourself and also to make dua for your
children because the dua of the parent is
accepted as a messenger.
And to kinda like keep a close relationship
with them. Yeah. You can all you can
be the type of parent who
only speaks to their children when they've done
something wrong Yeah. Which may be the case
at times.
Or you could be that kind of parent
that is mentioned to us in the Quran.
Yaqub Yusuf.
Yeah. Yusuf alaihi sallata san saw that dream.
He had a lot of brothers we know.
Right? Why didn't he go to them when
he went straight to his father? It shows
that the father had a very good
relationship with him. No. But he made him
feel comfortable. I think that's important.
What is the best eyeshock you ever been
to?
He wants me to say Westminster in it.
I never said that. You're free to say
whatever you want. Asharra, West Minister was one
of the best ones that I visited. Really?
Why is that? Definitely was. Asharra, the vibe
was really good, man. He was really, really
good. Asharra, it seems like they're trying the
utmost best. I think everyone, when they come
to these ISOCs, the objective is
for them to start taking studying their deen
a lot more seriously. Yeah.
Right. That's actually a
when people apply to or when we pick
people to be part of our committee,
you can't be part of committee or a
head, let alone a president,
if you're not seeking knowledge yourself. Yeah. It's
one of the requirements we have. Many people
think that seeking knowledge is a career path,
like engineering. I only do it if I
wanna become the next big Mufti.
You know?
Would you give any advice or is there
anything you've seen that has been a common
theme or really stuck out to you when
you go into ISOC events? You did a
whole tour, 27 unis.
What I said?
Did you see any gaps?
Like, the ISOCs could have been done better
or you saw something they could have capsulized
on? I see a couple of things that
were extremely problematic. Like, I went to one
of the ISOCs actually twice.
I don't know how that happened.
I don't do charity dinners, generally speaking.
I just feel like they asked you to
come speak about charity
Yeah. Today to raise money Yeah. And that's
about it.
And you don't actually have the freedom to
say what you need to say and tell
the people what they need to hear, not
what they want to hear.
So
one of the IS talks I spoke about,
Surat Yousef and the of remixing, whatever have
you, gender
intermingling and this and that. Yeah. This was
a part of Surat Yousef. Right? We spoke
about a whole lot of things.
So later on, I went to
their charity dinner.
Right? I didn't even realize it was a
charity dinner till very, very late,
So we can't pull out now anyway. So,
so I went,
and Akimani was
I
like, the environment was really bad.
Really? Yeah. You don't see what ice hockey
was, but I'm not gonna see it. What's
I'm not gonna see it. What was it?
But, Yani, so I was like because of
it and because how everybody came dressed and
whatever have you, it's like attending, you know,
a fancy dress party.
It's like a fancy dress party.
Ajib.
Literally,
like, they wouldn't wear whatever they're wearing if
they were going to class
at the university.
Right? So anyways I go into the pulpit
and
the first 5 minutes before I spoke about
charity, I started speaking about
shyness and
how zina comes about and this and this
and this and that. 90% of the people,
they were
extremely happy
what I said.
And then, of course, you had a couple
of individuals
who said,
what you've done was wrong. This and this
and this and that. You're gonna chase the
people away.
Right?
And the one who's arguing with me has
actually
attended this program now as if she's going
to a fancy dress.
So after listening to him, trying to make
her understand, and I gave them the opportunity
to give me their
reasonings behind why they think I'm wrong. I
told the Ayeshaq, bring me whoever's got an
issue, I'll be more than happy to discuss
it with them.
So I asked eventually I just got annoyed,
I got very irritated with her just going
on and on and on and on. I
said would you go to class like that?
Pin drop silence. Would you go to class
like that?
She goes, what's wrong with her? I'm dressed.
And even the sisters that were with her,
they're like, come on, man.
You know?
So,
it has to be said in it. I
won't go anywhere.
This is a road that I have. Yeah.
If I see evil taking place,
I'm gonna drive 3, 4 hours
to come to a place,
see evil or see that which is wrong
and just remain silent about it. And we
have to, of course, dress it in a
way that is wise.
Well, up until this very day,
You know?
When I meet meet, some of these brothers
over the, they thank me for that reminder
that I gave to them.
Right?
On that night? Yeah.
And then I began to speak a little
bit about charity and what have you. Yeah.
But Akhi needed to be said, and I
said it in a manner that is very
easy
to digest.
So this argument, are we gonna chase people
away? We're we're getting sisters who who've been
clubbing Friday night, coming to the programs on
Saturday evening
and they're messaging and emailing and saying, akhid,
they love it and they wanna benefit. The
sisters don't wear hijab, they're coming to the
program, they wear hijab for the first
time. But you have to like, you can't
expect I'm gonna go to a place and
just not say anything.
That's a type of
man. Yeah. Being treacherous, Yani. It's not right.
Or if I die tomorrow and I had
the opportunity now to enlighten them. Of course,
the approach and the way you say it
is very very important. I was like, I
remember like I went out my way. I
even told the brother, okay, we need to
record this reminder.
Right? So it doesn't get taken out of
context after I listen to it. Of course,
I know there's been times in the past
when me, I wished, you know, I I
could have wear it a little bit better.
Yeah. Human beings look like we're gonna make
mistakes.
Yeah. Funnily enough, the exact same thing happened
with Imran when we brought to Al Shaita.
But that's a long story you can't get
into. Anyways, let me just so you mentioned
a lot of issues,
in this past
hour or so that I've done the podcast.
And,
Marof, that marriage is,
a way to solve some of those issues.
What advice, obviously, marriage has actually become we're
speaking in the context of London and the
UK in general and other Western societies, Western
areas. Marriage has become very difficult now Mhmm.
Unfortunately,
for
we're speaking about the youth mainly here. What
advice would you give to those who are
looking
to get married?
In the context of they're looking to get
married to preserve their chastity
and also in the context of
in general?
Yeah.
Lakh is is a bit of a tricky
one because,
of course, this,
you know, marriage is is is connected to
parents and what have you. Yeah.
A lot of parents
are, you know, slowly
coming to terms with,
today's society being different to what maybe
they were acquainted to back in the day,
you know? Yeah. So they're making it a
lot more easier.
They're being a lot more facilitating to their
children getting married.
Like, when you say, like, difficult,
you're talking about, like, paying rent and what
have you? Yes. Financially,
socially I would say so as well.
Yeah. I think there's the 2 other main
aspects here.
One thing I would advise and
without going into too much detail, this is
an issue that has helped a lot of
people. Allah, when you wake up in the
last 3rd of the night,
that which you might think is impossible,
right,
becomes possible.
You ask Allah to make certain things happen
for you.
As long as you do the right thing
in your day to day life
and your day to day dealings that you
have with the people,
InshaAllah, you worry about rectifying yourself and then
ask Allah Azza wa Jal,
See what Allah Azza wa Jal ends up
giving you that wish the mind can't imagine.
Yeah. Right?
So,
that's one thing maybe to do.
Secondly,
right, you don't always have to live in
an expensive place.
Right? You can always maybe just move out
into the outskirts.
Push comes to shove and you're trying to
protect your chastity
and then commute into London.
Right? Yeah.
May Allah make it easy for people. I
mean, I mean, I mean. Even if you
feel like you might not necessarily be able
to move in right away, maybe try to
put together a proposal for your parents. Okay.
Let's get the nikah done with the sister.
Yeah. And I will just take it on
from there later on.
See whether that works, because nikka, it's very
simple. You don't have to have a big
wedding or whatever. Yeah. Get a nikka.
Permission of the wedding.
Right?
2 witnesses.
Insha Allah. Yeah.
And then she becomes haraf for you even
if you sometimes you have to compromise with
your
parents. Make the promise that you're not going
to consummate it. But at least you can
meet the sister and,
for a set period of time Yeah. Push
comes to shove again, you know? Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. We'll continue then. Yeah.
So
obviously, we touched upon this before, but I
wanna make this a bit more specific because
a lot you must get this a lot,
and you must not get this a lot,
actually. Maybe
this certain person doesn't know to reach out
to you for the advice that you're about
to give.
What advice would you give specifically
to an ISOC president
or a committee?
You know, I delivered a whole lecture on
this in Green Day, Masjid. Really? The list
of presidents. Yeah. When? You didn't invite me?
No. I wasn't the one inviting people. BMS,
the British Muslim Students Society, they sent Okay.
Yeah. No matter. Yeah. And inshaAllah ta'ala hopefully
they'll make it available.
I actually messaged them messaged them this morning
saying, okay can we get the lecture ready?
Then you're asking me this SubhanAllah. Yeah. So,
I I gave, like, 10 pieces of advice,
I think it was,
with regards to how to be a, an
effective leader.
Right?
And to use Hikma and whatever have you
to be wise and because Akhi, it's it's
a responsibility
now. As an ISA president,
what you do in your Islamic society
may well be the reason why they walk
away
with a certain type of image about what
is okay
under an Islamic banner. Yeah.
Right. Because this is an eyes of knowledge,
an Islamic society.
What you do is you justifying that this
is okay for it to be done under
an Islamic
sphere. Does that make sense or Islamic banner?
Yeah. Yeah. If you wanna go do some
other stuff, just don't put Islam onto it.
Does that make sense? Mhmm. This is very
important that Islamic
organizers,
Islamic events organizers, right, take into consideration.
When you say Islamic event and then you
do x y and z that goes against
Islam,
whether you realize it or not, you're kinda
like giving a people giving the people
the,
you know, the impression that this is actually
okay. This is something that is Islamic. Yeah.
So to take that into consideration, we can't
just compromise Yeah. About the effect they could
have on the people that are coming in
in the next generation
of Muslims. They're gonna take it away to
their children, whatever have you.
It's actually,
you know
You actually mentioned a very very similar point
when we were, Ahmed, father to a queen's
house.
You mentioned it to Eamon.
May Allah bless him. You mentioned that we
it was a bit of a different context.
I think he said something, and he told
him, Akhi, it's not befitting for you now.
Now you got exposure.
It's not befitting for you. You can see
this here, what but now you have a
certain
moral character to uphold.
Yeah. And I think the discussion was about,
speaking rote to people or like coming across
as if you're a rote man. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. I think that's what you're basically
referring to. He said he said he said
it in a he said a couple words.
What he said was, he goes sometimes I
have to speak road.
To relate to them. To basically relate to
them.
And what I was basically saying to him
is you can still relate to them without
having to use a certain type of language.
Not that he's using foul language or anything
like that. Yeah. We weren't. Yeah. Talking about
right? Yeah. I think that's the discussion you're
referring to. Yes. I said I said to
him, the prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam, we
spoke to different kinds of people
from different walks of life, young children, and
everyone felt that they could relate to the
messenger salallahu alayhi wa sallam. Salallahu alayhi wa
sallam. The bedwun would come in the arabi
and the messenger salallahu alayhi wa sallam wouldn't
change
You were talking to Eamon about how the
prophet used
to relate without using slang.
Yeah.
Without using rope.
Yeah. So that that that was a perspective
that I was sharing at the time in
the setting.
I think that's what we were basically referring
to. Yeah. Yeah.
On that, actually, I really wanted to bring
this up because I thought it was amazing.
Recently,
Eamon put out a video or a first
video went viral of him,
mentioning
in a specific context stuff to do with
Al Qaeda or whatever it was. And he
made a mistake.
Al Aqulin, he's he made another video
where he said you were the one who
actually advised advised him to take it down
and to retract that statement.
Why didn't
you, as many people do
in this day and age, just make another
video
and send it to him and make that
go viral. You could have easily just took
your phone out, recorded a video saying he
was wrong. Take it down. But you advised
him privately. Why is that?
Taib, if you made a mistake, would you
prefer someone now to advise you privately or,
to blast you publicly?
Privately, of course. Even if he advised you
publicly, would you not prefer for it to
be done privately?
Every time. Right.
Of course, you can see that I was
seeing people are repeating each other publicly. Now
that I'm saying you can't refute someone publicly.
Right?
However,
I just basically seen over time that when
you reach out to someone who's maybe in
the middle of
a back and forth,
in the public sphere. Right?
And he tends to be a lot more
effective.
Yeah. It it doesn't feel like that you're
just trying to hunt him down. You're trying
to,
clamp down on him on you know?
I just seen it was extremely, extremely effective
with a number of people.
Bothers me think that when I see an
evil eye, just remain silent, not realizing that
he's sometimes I sit for hours on end.
With people that both me and you know
and everyone else are listening,
if I was to mention a name they
would know. Hours on end
to convince them that what they said is
actually wrong and
as a result of that conversation, they would
end up taking it down.
Does that make sense? Yeah. I've seen that
to be a lot more effective because at
the end of the day, our objective is
what?
For that,
wrong mistake Yeah.
That has been, or that has gone out
into the public for it to be eliminated.
Right? Yeah. It has to be removed. Yeah.
If you're doing it publicly,
right, it's not happening,
then maybe let's try a different approach. Perhaps
it may happen. Alhamdulillah, it happens. Yeah. That's
exactly what what we wanted.
Like like everyone is going to make mistake.
He basically switched things around and sometimes that
happens when you're talking.
And
everyone just basically jumped on, you know,
jumped on him, started reviewing him, started making
videos about him, and this and this and
this and that. So you can see there
is an element of
envy in the responses that people make.
Alhamdulillah.
In in the it took a long time.
Alhamdulillah.
Yeah. Alright.
Alright. We're about to wrap up, but I
have one more question for you. And this
has actually sparked my curiosity.
You have a hot seat event coming up
on the magician's plot, which was the name,
but obviously it's on Sehan, black magic or
whatever. What prompted you to deliver an event
like this? You haven't done something you don't
do this regularly.
Is it a rising concern you've seen? No.
Without a shadow of a doubt. Like, one
of the common questions I receive all the
time is
jinn possession, magic, taweez, this and this and
that. So they open up the taweez and
they find all sorts of
devilish names in there, like,
Arun
and Naman and,
Iblis
and Abu Lahab and what have you. Not
every has that,
but a lot of them do. And, they
suffer from gym possession or whatever have you.
And,
something that is definitely needed.
Right?
You know, when I came back from Medina,
I had a whole list of things that
I wanted to go through. Yeah. Because they
were the things that people were actually suffering
from. Of course, there were books that I
wanted to teach.
I'm slowly, slowly
accomplishing that
that I want,
to go on to YouTube
Yeah.
With a whole load of topics. One of
the topics was
everything you need to know about menses.
For menstruation simply because of the
large number of emails and messages
that I get from sisters asking about,
the situation pertaining to this. Right? Another one
was some fiqh books that I wanted to
go through,
right,
which we did.
I went through level 1 on fiqh, level
2 on fiqh. It's like, I think, what,
13 hours worth of
content on my user channel. And the next,
I'm gonna do the 1,009 poem. 9063
is
That's like the next step.
Something
different things that I wanted to go through
and topics that I wanted to discuss, and
it's all on the YouTube channel. So
InshaAllah, if anyone ever needs it, it's there.
And this is without a shadow of a
doubt, one of them. Yeah. Extremely important.
Right? And, and the Sheikh that is, is
coming.
By the way, I didn't actually feel comfortable
to be alongside the Sheikh. I just wanted
to be his translator when they asked me
to do it. Then I said, no. No.
You have to give a lecture.
I just wanted to be his translator because
he's the expert.
Who better than, you know, Sheikh himself Yeah.
To come over
here in For us that don't know him,
why is he the expert? He's one of
the ex very well known, like, world renowned
expert on this issue. It's a lot of
experience, a lot of knowledge pertaining to it.
It's like his field of expertise.
Him and Shaikh Adil Mokbel. There's another shirk
of Shaikh Adil Mokbel.
I think a lot of people in the
UK, they're familiar with them more more more
so the older generation. I think last time
Sheikh Adil came here was
when I first came back from Yemen in
2014.
Okay.
A while ago. Yeah.
Obviously, there's different kinds of sehar,
different,
if you like, of of black magic, etcetera.
What do you see is the most common
now? Why did you what prompted you to?
Is it? Is
it seher itself? Is it,
I don't know, any other form?
I think evil eye is extremely widespread because
everyone is just flaunting their
blessings on the world wide web. Yeah. Right?
You know? See that's the most common. Very,
very common. Very very
common.
My love for this. So anyways,
that's a wrap.
You had to miss your flight in order
for us to do this. Right?
If it wasn't that, then it would have
been something else.
We'll end it there.
Barakallahu. Everyone at home listening.
Okay. We need to do one last thing
now.