Abu Taymiyyah – A Discussion A childhood friend about Quran & Uni @theahlulquranpodcast
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How you doing, Sheikh? Alhamdulillah. Alhamdulillah.
We have Sheikh,
my good friend, Sheikh Abu Taymiyyah
from.
I'm gonna flip this. Right? And he wants
to interview me. Right?
For those who don't know, Sheikh Omar,
he's actually a childhood friend of mine.
Right?
And, I know he wants to no. No.
No. He
he wants to do this interview, you know,
with myself and to ask me questions or
whatever have you. However, I think it's only
right that the audience know,
the Makana,
the status that, Sheikh Umar has in many
of our hearts, you know,
a childhood friend of mine. We actually went
to the same primary school here in Lista.
This is back in,
early 2000, I think it was. Right?
Year 5 and year 6. Options. Yeah. Options.
I think you joined late. Right?
Did I join it? Yeah. Yeah. I joined
in year 4.
Were you there from the start? I think
you joined in year 5. Yeah. 4, year
5. Maybe. Right? Because I remember just before
I left, because I left at the end
of year 5. Yep. And we had this
football thing. I went moved to London now.
You actually replaced
me in the in the football team. Yeah.
Against the other schools? I feel Something like
that. Yeah. But I remember,
And which who's Kaswoyan? Do you remember?
One t shirt I remember is mister Green.
Oh, okay. Mister Green. Don't know if he's
still alive or not, but,
mister Green. So going back to, what I
was saying, Sha'aam warallahu Barik,
you know, from a very young age he
was an inspiration to a lot of us.
He used to win all of the Quran
competition. I still think he's winning a lot
of them. So we really looked up to
him from a very young age, wanting and
wishing to,
you know, reach his level when it comes
to the Quran. And here he is now,
you know, being extremely humble, being the guy
who interviews that, when he shouldn't be up
with it.
Okay, so don't believe anything what he said.
It's it's definitely the other way around, but
for
for your kind words.
So
we,
obviously, want to want to make this discussion
obviously about the Quran,
but,
I think it's probably beneficial to just keep
it casual and flowing as well. We can
probably talk about the my first day that
I got to Islamic University and you took
me to,
for,
Faham or Ruz Bukhadi? Shoaib Biladi.
I actually forgot about that, subhanAllah. I just
remember when you used to, win one of
the Quran competitions, but.
Yeah. No. Alhamdulillah.
Obviously, Quran competitions is,
was was definitely a big part of my
life as in
I would I would honestly say that,
if I didn't enter these competitions and obviously
whether you win or lose the the benefits
there, right, you spend time studying and Keeps
on top of your Quran. Exactly. Exactly. And,
of course, you you participated in a few
as well. Right? I remember there were London
ones because we first. Was it that one?
Yeah. Because I think I met
you a couple of times in,
the the annual I think it was Almond
Trust.
I don't remember exactly where it was, but
I think it was in somewhere
West London or something? Yeah. Yeah. That that
that was Amuntrust, I think. Yeah.
Because there were there were 2 in London
at that time, Amotros and,
Regence Masjid. Okay. I went to the Regence
1 a couple of times as well.
I remember I used to get a phone
call from my dad every year. They said,
Quran competition's coming up. Get ready.
And he was just from the angle of,
you know what? That's telling me I need
to get back onto my Quran. London was
very distracting, in fact. It's not like Leicester.
Here we have Mudaris everywhere,
you know.
Was your father still in Leicester, and you
and London? Or you almost?
Okay. But sometimes we'd go abroad and I'd
get the phone call.
Right?
The caller summoned.
You need to go to this Quran competition.
You need to do this. So he tried
to keep on top of us in that
regard.
Okay. Right?
Yeah. But London wasn't necessarily the same as
Leicester. I always, you know, really,
admire the institutes here in Leicester. I think
think you studied in Leicester as well. Right?
Was it? What does it mean?
As in in terms of Quran, I did
my here, but I finished with my father
at home. Okay. And then,
obviously That doesn't count on that. That's
another podcast right?
But,
the
I'm not sure about yourself, but, we'll we'll
definitely come into it. But when I finished,
I finished at the age of 12 and
my head was very weak, as in I
wouldn't call myself a half head.
As as in some of the madaris, they
focus too much on, you know, pushing you
forward without any.
So yes. I did I did finish with
my father but then I went on to,
learn Tajweed and the rest of it in
Leicester as well but privately. So I did
actually study in one of the, like, you
know, the the the the popular Madaris. Mhmm.
What about yourself? What age did you finish
your We we we went to
Madrasah here in, Masifullah.
Okay. We you went in Falah? Yeah. Yeah.
Masifullah. Yeah. How many years?
So this is, subhanallah, the second time around.
But before that so, of course, there was
2 stages. Before I went to London Wait.
Let let let let let let let let
let let let let let let let let
let let let me let's start on the
beginning. Where were you born? Were you born
in I was born in the Netherlands. Oh,
okay. Okay. So there's another picture as well.
Yeah. Okay. I I really like speaking about
Leicester because, you know, they,
they, they had a really big impact on
myself. Right? Much like. How to revise the
Quran. You know, you have. The Indians who
are Asian. Yeah. The Indians kind of like,
you know, the it's it's very well known
within Hanafi Institutes.
Right?
And, and I really appreciate that about them.
SubhanAllah. So you have the Surah Para and
Dur. That's.
So, I think prior to me going to
London, I was in mister Rahman.
Okay. You and mister Rahman? Halahu. That's Halahu.
That's
where
all the Samanis used to go. Yes.
And it was a Chamosa.
And,
I lived on Twycross Street at the time.
No way. Twycross Street. Yeah. You know I
was bought up on Copsail Street. Right? I
didn't know that. At the bomb. You've been
to my dad's house. No? Well, you obviously
in the corner. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. At the
bomb. You ran this office. Was upstairs. Yeah.
And
No way.
I'm learning English now by, mister Khanal. So
that was before.
I didn't actually go to any of the,
the Asian,
the Madaris
before I went to London, I believe. It
was more when I came back.
Yeah. So 5 years spent in London and
I came back and I went to Masjid
Farah.
Okay. So was this after Uplands?
Yes. So I I left in year 6.
You left in year 6 and then you
came back in? I did year 6 in
London. Yep. All the way up to year
10. And then year 11, I came back.
Okay. You came back to Leicester in year
11, which you did at Mote?
No. I tried to enroll for Mote. Okay.
But,
there was no spaces at the time because
it was year 11. Right? Okay. Yep. And
I don't think a lot of
No. No. They they don't really accept that.
Yeah. They don't really like someone who just
but then there was their loss because I
ended up getting very good grades and Masha'Allah.
From which They got registered for, Riverside.
Oh, Riverside. It used to go all the
way there. Which eventually got closed down.
Okay.
That's very interesting. It actually got closed down
because it was apparently such a rubbish school.
You know, it's on the other side. It's
in a very
I don't know how to describe it, but,
Brunston is an awful place.
Yeah. Yeah.
But right now, there's a lot of people
moving out to Brunston. I'm not sure if
you know. Really? I think so. I think
they're moving out to Bimonese and,
and, I don't think in Broomstern?
I don't know. Like, my my dad was
saying that
I I think the the the the the
Somalian brothers Really? They they they they very
like and and they they Yeah. They've taken
all the BMO leaders. They wouldn't move anywhere.
Right?
Myself. Even what's the other place called? Newpark,
I think it's? Newpark, Saf Safonene. Is that
the same thing? Yeah. That area. Right? I
think that's where it is.
And this area is?
Oh, Knighton. It would be called this area
Knighton. And you also now got Glenpava.
Glenpava is down the road. Glenpava, really from
here? Yeah. Yeah. Glenpava is down the road.
On the edge. It's like on the edge
of Leicester, near Fosse Park. It's around there.
Yeah. Park. But it doesn't have been moved
there. Oh, sure. Yeah. And there's a lot
of Muslims moving there now as well. Exactly.
That yes. So that's what I'm I think
I saw a statistic. I think it was
yesterday. Just yesterday. I saw it. Leicester,
Birmingham
and Manchester
has officially become,
a none men white majority.
Hamid, I remember, subhanallah, you just reminded me,
even one time a fight broke out involving
my mother.
She was like, Taicher Street. Yeah. On Taicher
Street, she was physically assaulted.
By?
So you had mainly the,
you know, a group of people from, I
think Jamaican. Jamaican. Yeah. Jamaicans. Yep. They lived
on the side of the street.
And then I think my little brother looked
at someone there
and he said, what are you looking at?
And then my little brother is extremely, extremely
young. And then my mom got involved and
then just escalated.
You know Sheikh Salih Juma?
Yes. He was He happened to be around.
And then he came basically and just jumped
in, and then he got into a fight.
And so, subhanAllah, Yani.
Yeah. That's what you reminded me of, subhanAllah.
Yeah. Yeah. It was pretty
yeah. I used I used to kinda like
as a youngster growing up in that area
Yep. Wasn't always comfortable walking around outside.
I remember once, like, we
we
we we had a, like, some altercation outside.
Mhmm. We look outside the window and
there's a guy lying there on the floor
and there's blood light dripping down to the
end of the road or of the street.
Really? So someone got stabbed to death there.
Salaamdulillah. But alhamdulillah now, like, as we say
the Muslims, I don't know,
just Yeah. The Muslims have taken over. I
feel like
I take some I feel like I take
some I feel like I'm taking some very
That's what we don't care about. Yeah. There's
a brother called, Yahya Baker. He's a revert.
Why revert? From Leicester? Yeah. No. He's well,
he studied at, I believe, DMU. Okay. So
at DMU. Yep. He's now moved back to
London. Right? This brother would travel with me
back and forth to different places. Right?
And,
and sometimes what he would do, he would
come from London,
train station, and then walk to my house,
which is not far from the train station.
Right? Yeah. Which is the Matlock? No. No.
No. No. Masifada, you know. Okay. Okay. Yeah.
Yeah. Don't expose my life. But,
so he'd walk in, and everyone's looking at
him.
And he was like, why are all these
Asian people looking at me? Right? And because
he's like the other
now. Because I mean the Asian. Right? So
he's like the only white guy that you
see walking around. And this is our area,
subhanAllah. They see a non Asian person walking
by.
You know, everyone's like, what's he doing here?
Like, you know, it's it's not common to
see that Yeah. Basically. I I think to
be honest, like,
I think when it comes to high fields
in particular,
the the the Asian people generally have a
bit of a different mentality in the sense
that, like, back home mentality where they're like,
if anyone is different when you get there.
That's how much they took over. So now
me personally, I I
really appreciate what
the Asian community done for me.
And,
it's that system from back home that's been
brought here, which has proven to be a
huge success
Yep. For many people.
Right? Even though, subhanAllah, I was a bit
of a lazy student. I took that system.
I always applied to wherever I went. You
know, the Sabak Yep.
Sabak Para. Sabak Para and Para. And Dor.
Door. Door. Door. Yeah. So I always kinda
apply that wherever I want. Yeah. And that's
what they taught me and. Yeah.
So so I studied with that system as
well and then What is it? The Hanafi
system. Right? Is it is it I wanna
say Hanafi system. I would say like the
Asian system. India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, this type of
place. I wanna say Hanafi because Hanafi you
can find Pakistan, Bangladesh,
this type of place. I wanna say Hanafi
because Hanafi you can find Hanafis everywhere. So
so, The only thing is the madad is
that, you know, are mainly predominantly Hanafi. Maybe
that's something that they came personally with. Potentially,
but the thing is that I'm thinking of,
like, you know, like Kyrgyzstan and them type
of places. I don't know where they where
them, you know, Uzbekistan on them. I don't
know what they do there but I know
they put them in Hanafias also.
So, so so, yeah, I was bought with
this system as well and definitely very beneficial.
One tweak that I made though and I
don't know if you know my teacher called
Khaliq Aswat.
He's actually, like, my
he's actually my cousin brother. My dad is
his uncle. But Is this from MIQ?
He he he he leads salah. I think
he's I know,
Qari Zakir. No. Zaid. Qari Zakir.
I don't know who that is. No. Zakir.
He lives on Abu Nad.
I don't know who that is. He has
glasses. Masha'Allah.
Graduated from IDA.
Okay. No. No.
No. Al Aqir is older than us. I
think maybe. Yeah. Yeah. But he yeah. He's
so he's taught Darul Olam Nesta and Stuttela.
But anyways, what
what he taught me is that we should
flip it over.
So you start so the students start with
door Mhmm. Then
then
because
what what happens is they
learn the
so they move forward. And then time runs
out as well. Yeah, and then they they
might or they might not know the but
the door always gets left out.
You guys say
I'm just going freestyle every week.
Okay.
Well, in Arabic they call it
or Morajah Baidah. Oh, okay. Or heavd. Baidah.
Khareebah which means close and Baidah which means
far. In in in the Yemeni culture? Well,
I just in the Arab world, the Arabs
would have called it. And so the Sumerians
have specific word. Would you know? What do
they call it? They call it
Subes.
Yes. That's the one. That's The Infiniti.
Subes is basically
Subes is when you read a verse,
and then the guy next to you reads
a verse. Oh, okay. And then the guy
like that, and then they finish. Finish like
that. Okay. Yeah. They currently do the imasefarkhan
with the new imam there.
I think they finish the Quran every 2
weeks or something.
I've got a group of brothers. Yeah. I
wish I could be part of it but,
I'm a bit of a
traveler. But,
they're finishing the Quran every couple of weeks.
Yeah. So exactly. So so what I'm saying
is, like,
the the used to get left behind. Mhmm.
So people, they just finish, and parents have
the focus on finishing for the kids, and
the kids obviously want to finish as well.
So we we flipped around. So,
So as soon as he comes to the
school Yeah. First thing he needs to do
is which is, of course, going to solidify
his Quran. Exactly. So mortgages,
half juice, full juice, depending on how far
he's gone. And then it's the sabakbar, which
is the last
5 or 5 to 10 sabaks. Yeah.
And then if if he finishes that, if
he or she finishes that, then they can
do the. If they don't, then
come back tomorrow and start again. It's actually,
you know Because they all wallah, they don't
want So, so much is in end of
day, but the is what Too too many
people finish and they don't know anything. How
can you call them hafid? Myself included as
I say. So,
and also I wanted to say that
when I was 18, I don't want to
talk too much about myself because you've already
spoken enough about me at the start but
when I was 18, you know, mastoiba.
Yes. Yeah.
They,
one of the main teachers there,
he he contacted me and he was he
was he was like, Ajib, like, he he
was thinking like how do these Asians
on every single street there's like.
He he was trying to think like we've
been running this Madras for 10 years and
we haven't produced one half.
What's the problem here? So I explained to
him this system, and he he had never
heard of it before. And he told me
to come teach there and, implement this system.
So,
so I tried but,
then obviously I I had to had to
this system works over a few years. Right?
Mhmm. Yes. We like a 3 to 4
year thing. And, of course, a lot of
the Hanifa Medallari said they've been very well
established for decades. For years. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
So, but I think system is a very
important part.
So
what what age did you finish your faith?
I finished What was the story then? So
I I I went to Yemen. Okay. What
what age, if you don't mind?
I don't like disclosing my age, but
If you don't want to say, feel free.
Yeah. I went first year college. Okay.
I thought I really said that.
1st year college. Just let me know if
you want to take me
You can go to college at any age.
Right? Mean, it's 1st year of college. I
went to college.
And then, after my January exams, I left.
Okay. So I went there Did you go
Kiwi? Yeah. Kiwi. You did? It was alright.
I was at Kiwi as well. But at
the same time?
Yeah. But I never What did you say,
mate? I never remember seeing you. I told,
did did you not attend lessons or something?
You asked.
So, hello, I don't know if you know
if you remember a brother called Mahawiya. Do
you
Asian brother. Asian brother. Yes. Yes. Yes. I
just met him, like, a few weeks ago
after years. He lives in Levensinore.
Okay. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah? Yep. Me, who
actually in the same law class. Okay. Mashallah,
you're going to be a lawyer.
Law, accounting, physics, and maths. Accounting? I was
in accounting as well. Who who is your
teacher? So he was,
well, I can't remember. I really can't. But
I remember doing the balance sheets and things
like that. I was extremely, extremely interested in
accounting,
and that's the direction that I was
wanting to actually go to go towards. Right?
But,
I didn't.
No comment. No comment. We we we we're
in the the same law
class. Okay. Yeah. Okay. And, we actually,
reconnected a couple of weeks ago. Okay.
My brother messaged me on Instagram and he
goes, oh, I'm sure you remember your very
close friend.
I don't know whether he said it or
it was my friend Maawia.
He used to turn the whole class upside
down.
Something along the lines of that. So he
sent me the number. We reconnected. We began
to speak.
And I actually called him 2 days ago.
Was it today? No. No. 2 days ago.
Yes.
It's like, let's let's, you know, just catch
up again. And he lives right next to
my house as well, Up the road? Yeah.
Up the road.
Burn Street, somewhere around there.
And, he told me he's currently in Birmingham,
so maybe inshallah after that, just reconnect.
It's important that we don't forget
people that, you know, are most closest to
us.
So, yeah, we meet him in the same
class, so I did use the 10 classes
now.
He's he's he's your he's your, proof evidence.
Yes.
So okay. So you you finished when you
finished your Hivyid Inyam?
Yes. So I went I was there for
a year, then I moved,
from,
Dar, from, from Hadh Rumot.
Went to Darul Hadith in the Maj.
And I was there for, like,
maybe
7 months
Okay. Finish the Quran,
yeah, within that period.
I had a Malaysian teacher, my allies, have
mercy upon me. He was actually younger than
me, and I used to read on him.
And the system and because we're speaking about
systems, I think is maybe worth mentioning.
He would always say to me, a real
head starts
after you finish.
So I remember it was a bit weird
the way I started or where I started.
I started from sort of kaf and all
the way down, and then I came back
up. And the last,
Sabaak that I read was Surat Al Isra.
So Surat Al Kahf to Surat Al Nas?
Yeah. And then after that what?
Yeah. Most people that finish Al Nas. Right?
And they're finishing Surat Al Isra for some
reason. I just thought, you know what? Let
me hit the ground running very quickly. I
came. I was like Surat Kahf is something
that we read all the time. I like
Surat Mariam as well.
Yeah.
So let me just, start with Surat Kahf.
I feel good about myself if I just
run through it quickly, Inshallah.
I'd have already half a juice finished. Then
so is Mariam. Taha Zul is extremely sweet.
And then like that. So that's,
that really helped me get the
get the get the ball rolling. Right? And
then after that, when I went down, came
back up, and then finished the Surat Al
Isra. And I remember when I finished, it
was like, it starts right now. SubhanAllah. Starts
right now. And he was younger than you?
Yeah. He was actually younger than me. Woah.
And their system was after you finish, you
have to read every day
one juz, and it has to be like
water. You make any mistakes,
you're gonna have to underline it, and you're
gonna have to make sure that you repeat
that same juz the next day as well
Alongside the next juz.
So you finish 30. Yep. Then you do
2 juz every day. You'll end up finishing
the Quran in
15 days.
And then after that, you do 3 juz,
and then 5 juz in each sitting. Then
10 juz finished in 3 days. Then 20
Jews. And then Dhulrah Quran was sitting. SubhanAllah.
Yeah.
So this is after your 7 months you
had to do this? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No.
He said you're gonna have to do it.
You're not over there. You have to be
very independent.
Okay. There's no one kinda, like, pushing you
around, you know. So I found his brother,
and I was like, you know what? He's
amazing. Let me stick with it.
The the this brother, the the one that's
here with him? Yeah. Okay. So it's not
like you didn't go there and, like, sit
in a big class of people? No. Not
at all. It doesn't work either? No. No.
It wasn't like that. Okay. In in in
the marriage we had the resources.
Like, you'd have lessons everywhere.
Imagine there's 30 new lessons opening up. Well,
between 20 to 30 lessons opening up every
single week.
Every single week? Every single week. Of a
So is it teachers Yeah. Who teach, and
then their students, they teach as well. So
everyone teaches what they've,
you know, made solid.
Okay. Which will make, subhanAllah, you know, the
knowledge that you studied
solid. You know?
And that's the best way of actually revising
on it. So they will basically for example,
he's good at Nahu. He studied Nahu properly.
Yep. Of course, I think he would also
have to get a, a permit permission
to be allowed to teach.
And he can't he can't just teach anything.
Yeah. But then he would be given permission
to maybe teach it at how, because that's
what he's good at. Yep. So there's always
lessons happening. Right?
As for the Quran, there were classes that
people could go to reading to a teacher,
but I found him.
And,
Masha'a. He was just free, like, you know,
everyday I'm reading. Malaysian brother. Yeah. Malaysian brother.
I'm not too familiar with, the Marjane. I
mean, obviously, I've heard heard of the place.
So you get people from all over the
world. Actually, people coming from around the world.
That's And and and it's not like an
institution where there's a headmaster. And You had
you always you just go there and there's
a castor. No. We are if you burn
your passport, you know, no one will say
anything to you. There was actually brothers that
burned their passports. They were like, we're never
leaving. Made hijra khalas. Is it? Yeah. Yes.
This is Damaj is the name of the
city. It's basically a village. Okay. It's a
village in the middle of nowhere.
Right?
The closest
city,
I think it's called Sadah. It's the north.
It's not far from the Saudi border. Okay.
Approximately
Jazana. 6, 7 hours from,
the capital, Sana'a.
Okay.
So yeah. So, people would come from all
over the world. Okay. From what I've been
told, and I've seen, you know,
some notes that were put together.
For approximately a 100,000, Kafaad graduated from that
place.
Over the years. Quran. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. 100,000.
Because I I'm aware that they memorize a
lot of a hadith. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
So over there, memorizing Bukhari was like like
the the the the Tisha,
Malaysian,
Sheikh,
he was actually, memorizing
Al Muntaqah,
which is basically,
by the grandfather of or, you know, authored
or compiled by the grandfather Mutinya,
a hadith, a kam. You know how you
have Bulu Al Maran? Okay.
The the
is basically a lot more vast, a lot
more
in-depth when it comes to a hadith that
he has in there. So he was just
memorizing that, and I think he finished it
as well. There's other people memorizing Muslim, Sahib
Bukhari.
Yeah. This is normal
Yeah. Somewhat.
People memorize the Balohu Haram Haram. Even in
the Haram, in Medina,
I just came to the conclusion,
this is something that goes back to that
person.
Doesn't matter where you are. What what what
do you mean go back to the person?
I mean, his hard work and his zeal
and his effort, of course,
Yep. But I've seen brothers
kids memorize Buhari Muslim in haram. You know
there's a Bukhari Muslim. Right? Next to Shabbat's
chair.
Is the Halakat
They memorize him in Bukhari Muslim. SubhanAllah. Yeah.
We became very good friends. Me and them.
I'm not on them levels yet, so I'm
not too I'm not too aware right now,
basically. No. I I I didn't know. As
in as in obviously, yeah,
It's it's haram and there's lessons going on.
Yeah. And of course you got Sheikh Loushaydhan
as well. You probably heard of him, no?
Sheikh Loushaydhan? Yeah. He's the only reason on
Sheikh Al Abed.
Okay. So he has, like, I call it
the deadliest halakat
in the mamalaka, in the kingdom. Deadliest in
was sense? Like, they make you read backwards.
Who is it? Yeah. They make you read
backwards. And just I'll yeah. I'll be honest
as in
because I've only been there for, like, just
over a year.
I was trying to sort of, like, strengthen
my Arabic to begin with.
I just thought there's there's no point in
me seeing in these, you know, big lessons
and big teachers if I don't know. I
think sometimes people they just
they tend to sit in certain lectures just
to say I've studied under someone.
But I don't really agree with that and
I think
that as in like that doesn't really benefit
you. Yeah. It doesn't really You have to
do
what is most
beneficial. Priorities.
For your progress. Exactly.
But, but, yeah, of course, like, is is
is is definitely interesting.
How's how's
how you been doing? Like, you know, your
freshers?
Freshers.
And that's what that's what they call it.
Right? Fresher Madras? Fresher. You're freshest like Yeah.
No. I've finished freshers. Are you finished? As
in I've finished from Ma'hadam and kulia now.
Oh, you're the kulia, masha'Allah. I just finished
misterullah.
Because of the amount of memorization they do.
Okay. And sharia are you chilling?
Is it? Let's be honest. In that in
the sense where
they don't actually tell you to memorize anything.
Okay. Okay? But there is a lot of,
end that you can take away from there.
But you're gonna have to put in the
work. You're gonna have to, you know, take
away the,
foundational books, because what they teach you is
not necessarily like beginner's level. Okay. They kinda
throw you into the deep end. For example,
you go through Bidayat Mushtahed when I was
there, but I know the curriculum was changed.
It's changed now? No. It's changed for the
3rd time. Oh, it's changed for the 3rd
time now? So
like, even if you look at the title,
it means the beginning of doing.
No.
So,
by Nurusht. It's a book author by Nurusht.
So you would need to the whole idea
was you come to the university with a
MedHab. Yep.
Those who come from Africa, they've got the
Medici Medheb.
Right?
Those who come from Somalia, they've got the
Sheikh Ahmedheb. Those who come from maybe,
you know, most parts of Asia, they come
with Hanafi Medhaab. Does that make sense?
And, and then you basically go into
which is basically comparative.
So you're going through the different, you know,
views of the different
and, it tells you the reason why they
differed with one another.
So that's what we were studying. But then
after, I I was in the last batch
before they changed the curriculum, then they made
it more hambri. Now I heard for 1
year, you study hambri fiq and then you
move on to be there to mushayd.
Okay. Yeah. So especially. Yeah. So so basically,
the the first year is
is all the
will all study the same first year. Masha'Allah.
So I am really happy You're humble
I'm I'm humbly.
No.
No. As in as in wallahi like personally
I've never
I've never studied fiqh the way I've studied
in this 1st semester. Oh, because I but
you're gonna have to learn the Hanafi fiqhay.
You're coming back to Hanafi community. Yeah. Yeah.
He said that. He said Oh, yeah. Yeah.
He said Oh, yeah. Yeah. He said Oh,
yeah. Yeah. He said Oh, yeah. Yeah. He
said Oh, yeah. Yeah. My my teacher said
he said like you you you don't go
back to your your locality if there's doing
something else. You start teaching them. So It's
not humbly because It's not causing a war
because of, fehci related issues. Yeah, it's ridiculous
but obviously we're in Saudi Arabia so the
humbly fiqh is the predominant so that's why
they teach
but yeah so I don't know like
you know that for example like for example
to treat like a lot of most people
they wouldn't learn the theory behind tsidrigid. They'll
just learn how to read, like, you'll just
repeat after the teacher.
You don't know that why you why you
saying
or why you stretching.
And same with fiqh, like, we learn how
to read salah, but we've never learned hapla.
Personally, I had never learned like literally, okay
we do this because the hadith says this
and we do this and then search the
sahuwa in 3 instances and the rest of
it. So, alhamdulillah, I'm very happy with this
new system.
Like I think everyone gets that 1 year
grounded like base level. It gives you a
foundation with foundation. Well and I think that's
important. Yeah very important. If I went straight
into the Khosozyanifil Quran,
like, I would miss out on all this
stuff. On the basics and everything. And I'm
so happy, like, and because I think I
think that's a bit of a problem as
well. Like, what I've seen here in the
west
is one memorizes the Quran and then jumps
straight into qira'at. Yep. Right? I think there's
2 extremes to this. There's those there are
those who completely dismiss the importance of.
Yep. And I think that's just ignorance. Right?
It's very important. Even there's a,
you know,
in relation to the different, you know, wordings
of
the and whatever have you. Right? Like,
la mistum.
You know?
Did
you just explain? Yeah. Ola you know, for
example, in haf yeah. La mistum. Right? Which
basically means Oh, La Masstom and Nisa. No.
But when it comes to Kisai and also,
Hamza, they read La Masstom,
And the Hanawi, and also the shafi'i they
took from this that if you touch a
woman, it breaks your order. However, the Hanawi,
they said if you touch her with shawa.
Right? Yep. We touch her with because of
a hadith.
Right? Does that make sense? So the Quran
do actually have,
I think,
the the the most easiest
and convenient,
view on the issue of touching is, with
Hanafi.
Exactly.
My teacher made a joke. He said I
think for this issue you'll you'll all be
Hanafi
on everyone's side. And they've actually got narration
for it. You know, I'm I'm totally against
people saying that you know the Malahib,
they just,
you know have their own conclusions
on things. No, Akhi is based on a
Hadith and whether you might whether you disagree
with the authenticity, that's a whole different issue.
But the narration, subhanAllah, it's even mentioned in
Like, he would kiss some of his wives,
and then he would basically leave to Rasoolah
without making wudu.
Right?
Narrated by Imam Mohammed. But Imam Bukhari, he
weakened it. But there's others, you know, they
they said something different pertaining to it. But
the point of the matter is there is
a substance
there as to how,
the
and the different scholars, they would,
you know, conclude,
you know, on the each day, that.
But but yeah. So yeah. So, effectively, we
were saying that,
it's important
to have the basic or the base level
of knowledge in terms of fick, for example.
So you said some people they become half
it then they go straight to qira'at. Yeah.
So I was talking about that. That was
like that would have been me. Yeah.
Like, you they jump into qira'at, but then
when it comes to the basics
of maybe
and also issues of they might not necessarily
have studied this. Right?
Yani, I think there has to be balanced.
You have to kinda prioritize what's most important
Yeah. Definitely. After,
you know? Yeah. So effectively, we have,
we have we have, like,
That's like some psychology kind of stuff.
So I think we might end up being
psychologists as well, but and then we have
Naho, which is of course important.
And, judge read and Quran. So
alhamdulillah. And then, obviously, now in the 2nd
semester, we've just got our JED one. So,
like,
Ilm ul Hadid, tafsir,
There's a few new bits as well. And
they're gonna be mainly focusing on,
all the 2nd year they're going to be
Yeah. The whole 1st year. So not the
same 1st semester. So you're only doing your
takhasa for 3 years? Yes. Okay. For over
9 semesters because before it's 2 semesters. Right?
2 semesters a year. Yeah. So now you'll
end up doing 12
and 12 semesters in the year? No. No.
12 semesters in the year. Okay. Okay. Okay.
3 semesters. Right? With 3 semesters in the
year. Okay. So that's 3 semesters will be
we'll be doing the same thing. So it's
good.
But they they they've already pushed us to,
like, memorize 5 lines a day of shar
to be here. Oh, to be honest.
On line number 2.
Yeah. But in short, we'll have to catch
up. But in terms of, like, memorizing,
what advice, like, would you give me first
of all? Because, obviously, like, we we we're
making this video and the rest of it,
but I always have the intention that this
is for me first, like, and then anyone
that can benefit from it. To be advising
us, like, how to how to win the
Quran competitions.
So what advice would you give in terms
of memorizing wudun?
Because it's different to Quran, allah.
Really?
I don't know that. For me, because Quran,
like, obviously, I've done it so many times.
I don't know. But and I was younger
as well.
I'm not going to say my age is
like super.
Mouton is a bit different. I just feel
like in terms of especially if you if
you're just new to not new to Arabic
but, you know, I wouldn't say I'm, like,
the strongest in Arabic. Yeah. With mutoon and
also hadith, I just use the same
Asian system.
Yeah.
I just use the exact
same system.
Like a hadith, for example. Right? Before I
would do
3 pages of Quran, right, when I was
memorizing it in Yemen. So now I want
to do 10.
Right? I'll basically use the exact same system.
Okay. Like 10 hadith a day or for
example if I'm doing 5 hadith, I would
use the exact same
system. There's even this, system that I came
across.
It's called spaced
repetition.
So they call it spaced repetition.
Like,
it's like,
I'm not gonna call it revelation because revelation
doesn't come down, but,
it just happened to fall onto me, like,
this whole system of,
memorizing.
And for a very long time, I did
not know how to actually articulate
this kind of system to the people. Like,
I want to
advise them on how to memorize it, but
I could just couldn't articulate it. I remember
when I was in Yemen, they told me
because I really struggled. Me personally, I really,
really struggled with the Quran. Really struggled. I
would sit for, like, 19, 20 hours
trying to memorize one page. I'd go to
the teacher as if I never memorized the
Quran. In Yemen. In Yemen.
Without exaggerating up until I became so sick,
I got rushed into the to the sick
room.
I was there for, like, a whole
week and a half. But, anyways,
19 to 20 hours, I would sit there.
I'll go to the teacher as if and
I remember they told me, listen. You're gonna
have to
wake up in the night and make dua,
and then within 3 weeks, you'll get your,
you know,
your answers.
And it'll become easy for you. So,
I just I just seen, the doors open.
So what I would basically do is
I would do something called spaced repetition. I've
I've tried to I've I've tried to explain
it on YouTube as well as a video.
Let's just say for example, I'm starting
my Quran lessons
while my my my Quran hivs, right, on
Monday and today is Saturday.
I'm going to start softening up what I'm
going to read to my teacher on Monday.
From Saturday? Yeah. From Saturday. I'm gonna soften
it up. Meaning just start reading it? Yeah.
You start reading it. At least maybe you
can say,
Beginning is difficult, but then,
Okay.
Come Sunday.
Right?
I'm going to now strengthen what I softened
up yesterday.
Okay.
I'm Is it gonna make a lot more
sense? More on Sunday or No. No. No.
I'm gonna come to that. Okay. And now
I'm strengthening what I
started softening up yesterday
or on Sunday now. Right? Also,
the second thing that I'm gonna do now
is I'm going to start softening up what
I'm going to read to the teacher on
Tuesday. There you are.
That makes sense. So okay.
So you are increasing on Sunday? Yeah. Okay.
But I'm gonna start softening up. Yeah. So
I want you to half is strengthened, half
is softened. Yeah. So
As you move along. Softening.
This is called spaced repetition. Yeah. Someone just
one recently, one of the brothers that was
coming to the classes,
he was like, this method is actually called
spaced repetition.
Okay. This came to you now recently. No.
But I came to know. I came to
know about what it's actually called. But before,
the concept was there. Yep. It's like it
came down, you know.
Mhmm. Uh-huh? Yep.
And,
I was able to apply it. That's how
I memorize the Quran. Okay. And I just
continued doing that with the hadith, with mutoon,
and everything.
Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
Does that make sense? Makes sense. Makes sense.
Yeah. I'm just thinking how I memorize right
now.
I think for me, it's just like constant
repetition.
Just like
and and I don't just like, you know,
if you just repeat looking in,
that that's good. And at the start, you
have to repeat looking in. As in you
have to stop by looking because you don't
want to make obvious mistakes. Mhmm. So I
I read I read, like, a couple of
lines and then I read them properly. I
might even listen to them once
just so that I know I'm not making
any mistake.
And then
and then I'm repeating
but as you're repeating, you start you start
remembering bits.
So I'm repeating but now I'm also looking
out And as I keep repeating, I'm starting
to remember more bits. I'm looking out more
than looking in. And then the tables turn
and then I've
maybe the next day though because I think
there is some You may have noticed. Right?
You're reading so much today, like repeating it
so much. You'd go to the teacher, still
in a little bit. But then the next
morning
It's strong. It's a lot more stronger than
it was before.
Yeah. So before so I used to stress.
It's the same method? Yeah. It's the same
thing. Yeah. Because I used to I used
to, like, I used to get annoyed at
myself. I used to be like,
I've heard this so many times. I still
don't know it. But then I used to
realize after a while that but
the the next day I would know it
with 2 days later. So then now it's
more like relax. I'm I'm not too hard
on myself and I know that after 2
days I'll I'll be stronger. Exactly. Yeah. We'll
we'll we'll have the next challenge together.
So that's the way it is. Right?
So, Alhamdulillah. That's that's quite interesting
in terms of memorising on the rest of
it.
Just moving on to like a different sort
of area.
Just a general question.
What's your favorite surah in the holy Quran?
And what? Surat Youssef. Surat Youssef. Surat Youssef.
I think,
Karey Ahmad Ma'am said the same thing. Oh,
really? Yeah? I think if I'm not mistaken.
I just recently did a whole university tour
where I went past 27 universities,
and the theme of the tour was Surat
Yousef.
Okay. It's so Shammy like, it deals with,
so many of the societal issues that we
have, free mixing,
being infatuated.
Right? And it's something that, you know, especially
in today's day and age, just about anyone
from different walks of life can relate to.
Okay. Whether you're someone who's been thrown into
prison. You know? Yusuf Ali Saad was thrown
into prison.
Whether it was,
you know, done justly or unjustly,
dream interpretation,
something that interests a lot of people. It
intrigues them. Mhmm. You No. Very mysterious to
a lot. Right?
If you're a father
who has multiple children, how to treat them.
If you're someone who has multiple wives because
Jacobi had multiple wives. 2 wives. 1 of
them gave wife to, 1 of them gave
birth.
To Youssef and also Ben Yamin, the other
to the rest. The the 10? Yeah. K.
What what what what's his what wife's names?
I don't know. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So Surah
to Yusuf is your Yeah. It's my favorite.
And in in terms of your And also,
I'll tell you why. Right?
If you look at how Allah, subhanahu wa
ta'ala, saved a lot of the prophets,
it was through miracles. Right? Like Musa, alayhi,
salatu, salam, did Allah save him. This By
way of miracles.
Right? Also,
you know, prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wa sallam,
Allah, azzawajal,
sent out angels to aid and support him
in some of his battles. Right?
However, when you look at and also, you
know, Isa, alayhi wa sallam, he was granted
miracles.
Nur alaihis salatu waslam, you know, flood. It's
a huge miracle. Right?
So,
when you look at Yusuf alaihis salatu waslam,
Just like he
Split the sea.
Split the moon for the prophet sallallahu alaihi
wa sallam.
But Allah chose not to. Right?
He exited from that prison
the same way most people would,
from the front doors.
Right? Even the the same time. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. SubhanAllah.
So it's it's really a story
that a lot of people can relate to.
Especially if you're someone who's going through a
lot of hardships and,
difficulties.
Even one of the Salaf mentioned that,
you know, if you're ever feeling sad and
you restore to yourself, it'll make you
feel so much good after that.
Mhmm.
Very interesting.
So, to me, you know, it's
it's it's like a game changer in so
many different
aspects of life.
And
in in your different universities, did you talk
about, like, a difference or a theme?
Or was it Not really. Not really. I
would try to add things from here and
there. Yeah. But I realized all of these
university students,
they are in need of the same lessons
that I'm, you know
Given in a different university. To the different
university. Right? Yep. Like, he's speaking about, for
example, when Yousef alaihis salatu wasalam
was locked inside of the chamber.
You know, the wife of Al Aziz said,
hey, let's get it on. She tried to
basically
commit Fahesha with him. Right? So that's extremely
relatable.
We would speak about social media,
because one of the lessons that we can
take away from Suraj Youssef is Hassad.
Right? It's envy.
And, you
know, I linked that with how everybody now
flashes
all of their blessings onto the world wide
web, and you could easily be envied and
that evil lies their reality and whatever have
you.
Because, you know, Ya'akov told his son Yusuf,
don't relate your dream to your brothers.
As they will what? Plot against you.
And then I went into,
you know, who should we tell? Who should
win? Who shouldn't we? Taeib, why are you
posting everything onto the world? But anyways, the
lecture is online.
It was, like, for 2 hours that I
go on for. Usually, 2 hours on one
of my nervous. Yeah. Maybe more than that
sometimes.
So full 2 hours. And even then, we
didn't go past the 4th page, like.
From as in in the morning from the
morning? Some lessons that we're taking, like I
would only stand over a couple of verses
or a couple of
parts of verses.
Like one of the parts that we would
stand over,
which I thought was very, very important for
the university students When he's when when one
of the brothers said,
What did he say at the end? You
can find at the end of the verse.
Right?
After that, you'll all become righteous people.
Isn't this a kind of concept that
or a thought process that many suffer from,
especially when they,
start a university that is far away from
their homes.
You know, you've come from this conservative background.
You've always been righteous.
Just one
night. Disobey Allah as an after that you'll
become righteous.
This was in Nuakir that one thing leads
to another. To be honest, that that's not
only university students. That's Everybody. That's
that's till till my age now, and probably
the the older generation as well. So there's
so many points that I could, you know,
make very relatable
to the university
student.
I personally really enjoyed them. And may Allah
reward all of these brothers
and sisters
who,
put a lot of their time, blood,
sweat, and Tears. Tears, that's what they call
it, right, into setting up these programs.
Some of them did get you know, they
were given a very hard time.
But, you know, they they took they took
a lot of bullets for me. You know?
Uh-huh. And I reward them. And Alhamdulillah, it
was I I personally see it as a
huge success. You know? Masha'Allah. Yeah. Excellent. Excellent.
Even like, for example, you know, Yusuf gets
thrown into prison. The first thing that he
calls is Tawhid.
In prison, he's calling the people to Allah
Azza wa Jalal, SubhanAllah.
Teaches you what you should start with when
calling the people to Allah, Azza wa Jalen.
Masha'Allah.
Okay. So in terms of, like
I I wanted, like,
what what my plan is with with with
these episodes, with this podcast is to have
a theme Mhmm. Which each with each guest.
So, for example, the first guest
around competition, winner of the biggest Karie Ahmed
Sab. Karie Ahmed Sab. Yeah.
But,
and then, obviously, I have I have other
other people lined up as well. But with
yourself, I just want you to keep it,
like I don't know. Like, I I don't
wanna say general,
but I I wanted to talk more about
uloom ul Quran. Like, how the
I know it's it's obviously a deep topic,
and there's so many angles that we can
discuss.
But when it comes to the Quran, like,
what can you say in terms of
how the Quran came down?
Just just a general outline on as to
how the Quran came down and just points
around that. So maybe the listeners,
can benefit. Because I think sometimes, like,
we end up talking about, like, all this
sophisticated stuff, like, all this high level stuff.
But the people, generally, they need the basics.
Wallah, I think in this day and age,
if you go back to the basics, people
enjoy.
How how did revelation happen and what were
the main points behind?
So, the Quran didn't all come down
in Jumnat in Waheda.
It was sent down, you know, at,
Yani gradually
over time.
You know, you subhanallah, you look at how
Allah
prohibited
hamar. Came down in 3 stages.
What was the first one?
The
the the second one. You have the verse.
Yes. And then another.
In another device. Yeah. Kathir. Kathir now. Which
which device? I believe it's,
Harun. It's a Khanun.
I think
Hamza. Yeah. I think maybe it's Hamza. Get
in the camera, mate.
Get in.
Yeah.
And so in a few years, we'll we'll
we'll have you
the. They have kabeer and kathir. Right? Allah
you know, he's saying that they ask you
about the kamr. Tell them,
it has ithm, you know, it's sinful.
Likewise, it comes with benefit.
You know, the evil that it comes with
is far greater than the benefits that it
brings you. Just want to ask a quick
question.
From what angle are the benefits coming?
We're talking about alcohol. Right? Yeah. For example,
now you sell alcohol.
Doesn't it come with benefits? Okay. So you're
making Yeah. Give me a profit salary. Alright?
But take taking in I can't really think
of a question. But anyway
So generally speaking, it does have benefits in
that sense. Mhmm. But, not everything has a
benefit. We always consume.
Right?
The of it is far greater than the
benefits. Then you also have the other verse.
Oh, you believe? Don't come close to the
salah while you're in a state of intoxication.
Up until you know,
right,
what you are saying.
Right? You're conscious.
And then you have also the 3rd
anymore.
They've now been instructed to stay away from
it. So when the companions had that, they
began to get their alcohol. They started pouring
it.
In the streets of Medina, there were trees
with Hakuna. Yeah.
So it came down gradually. That shows us
as well that men had the men had
Quran now, which is how we should kinda,
like, you know, gradually give people,
so on and so forth. So the Quran
would come down gradually.
Right? Also making it easier
upon the companions to take in. You know?
And my understanding is,
the prophet
he
had, a prophet for 23 years,
and 13 years when Mecca and 10 in
Madinah.
And the 13 years the Quran, the revelations
were more fixed towards
Tawhid and Dawah, and the other 10 years
is where everything else basically Yeah.
Right?
A lot of these, for example, like,
Yep.
Right?
There are so many lessons that
when he inspired the messenger salaam.
Like, he's going through so much trouble
calling his family to Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala.
Right? And they were
the most stubborn.
Right? And here Allah
is giving him examples
of and look at all the troubles that
he went through.
Right?
And he the one who was inspired before
anyone else was none other than the prophet
sallallahu alaihi wa sallam. He was in need
of inspiration.
Right? If you come to me with your
problems and you say to me, I'm going
through this and I'm going through that, and
I say to you, Omar, whatever you're going
through, I have been through multiplied by 10.
Make you feel a lot better.
Especially now
and I was telling the university students. Right?
There was a there's a there's a lot
of students messaging saying, oh, they applied but
got rejected. And they feel
disheartened. I said, brothers, I applied 7 years
in a row.
7 years in a row and I still
didn't get accepted. And when I did get
accepted Islam University. Yeah. Islam University in Medina.
And when I did get accepted, I didn't
actually apply.
Majin. It's a similar story, you know.
I applied 7 years ago. Yeah. As in
8 years now. Sallallahu. Yeah. And then I
I got my reply after 7 years. Imagine
that. And I'm sure you you went to
the office once for me to check
with you or Agubak, you know, Igor. We'll
just mention it. I went for so many
brothers. I may have You may have contacted
When they when I I know when he
definitely went, they said we have no record
of this brother.
I'm not going.
And then that was in 2016.
So I thought I'll focus on my accounting
career.
But,
I'm I'm not actually an accountant for it
but,
but, yeah, that's that's fine. And then in
2018, Regent's masjid called me
and they said come today because you're going
to Madinah next week.
So I went I went I literally went
you saw Masjid London? Yeah yeah I went
through them basically. So so you know doctor
Ahmed
he is the general there but he he's
he's the one that did my test scan
the rest of it. So he calls me.
I went with my documents and
and yeah and I sorted everything out
and then
and then a week later it's like
no you're not going like there's been a
misunderstanding or something. This is in 2018. It's
an emotional roller coaster. Yeah. Yeah. Wallah. But
We're not going through a lot. Yeah. Yeah.
We we we do. We're just taking He's
not going. I met you. I I we
ran into one another a number of times
in the Haram.
When? This in the last year? No. No.
No. No. No. Before you actually started the
university and you were telling me that you're
going to be coming.
And then I'm waiting, like, to the beginning
of the year. You're not here. So what
happens to you, Trevor? When was this? Yeah.
We run into each other for years. I'm
talking about years ago.
Right. We would run into each other in
the Haram.
Also, we run into each other here in
Lessa a couple of times and you would
tell me, yeah,
I might be doing
You're thinking this death took him rubbish. Come
come the beginning of the year and the
brother's not hearing.
Yeah. And then so 2018 I thought, I'm
like I'm over this now. It's it's an
easy emotional
It's a nice story. And obviously for our
families the uncertainty and the rest of it
is crazy. Even right now like but
we have to be
And then randomly in 2020
in summer 2020,
again, Igal, he sent me a message and
he said he he sent the hadith saying
when there's good news you should be the
first to give the good news and is
the hadith
what's the hadith? It's something like that anyway.
Basically, he's saying, I want to be the
first to give you the good news. And
my name ended up on top of the
whole UK list.
Around the top. So so then, alhamdulillah, I
just thought, you know, this this opportunity doesn't
come.
So yeah. So I ended up coming after
7 years. So you you used to apply
every year
for 7 years? Aki, every year. Like, you
know, I was in Yemen and my dad
would tell me to come over
to help him out,
with the group, you know, because my dad
has a travel agency.
This is Aki, 2,000 and
what you call it?
2,012.
I think even before that. Yeah. But I
would go over, and he would take me,
you know,
to the university. Physically apply? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I used to go to how many interviews
did I have year in, year out?
And every time they'll save me inshallah,
You know the abshirah that they give you
an Do do you know what actually happened
to me? Uh-huh.
I think there's a rule. If you if
you send in more than one application, all
of them get thrown out, sir.
I don't know. Up until today, it's a
mystery to me how people get accepted. Yeah.
Because I There's no system. Like, there's no,
like Yeah. I think they're improving. To be
fair, I think they're improving. But I applied
through Regions Masjid 7 years before. And then
when I went for the Musa Baca Yeah.
I applied separately in 2016.
So I think
I don't know what happened, but they both
got thrown out and then I don't know
what happened. And you and you started, subhanAllah,
over after the age of 75. Right? Yeah.
Yeah.
Alhamdulillah.
Which is not strange because I applied before
when I was 20 But even then, subhanAllah,
I I
and he they would say to me, if
a brother applies and he's 25 years of
age,
right, he's probably gonna get rejected.
Because by the time he gets there, he's
going to be over the age limit.
Okay. Like, there was a year, subhanAllah, I
was able to get in a number of
people.
You Yeah. I had I had basically a
link. Okay. I got to know a link,
and I told them, listen, because brothers are
talking to you all the time.
Yes. Literally, every number that I gave got
accepted. Okay. Every name.
From UK? Okay. From the UK. From the
UK. Some of them have, like, different passports,
but every name that I took actually got
accepted.
Yeah. It's just Ajib. Like, it's Ajib. Then
after that, I lost the link of the
guy. I come back
after some holidays and I go back to
him. I would remember being like, who's who
you? Like,
you know, the guy has completely forgotten me.
I was like, you got 4 guys in
for me, you know. It's
a he goes, no?
He didn't have his coffee that morning. And
then I just lost him and
then later on they just scrapped. Actually found
another.
One of them teachers that I was having
private classes with, he was actually the guy
who was interviewing everyone.
So he did. He took some names and
he put it through,
And they got accepted as well. But then
they scrapped the whole physical interviews.
Is that correct? In person. Yeah. It's been
completely scrapped. You can't actually go in physically
for interview now. So what do you have
to do now? Just the online test? Online
thing. And they do these tests now.
Online test? Yeah. They do these online tests.
Is it like the maths one English shapes?
No. No. No. Not. No. No. No. No.
Not what they may just go through for
the master's exam.
No. This is just an Arabic exam to
test you.
Okay.
It's Ajib. Like, honestly, years I applied for.
Like, everything happens for a reason.
You know?
I think one one thing I'm not sure.
So, Yousef, which building did you did you
stay in? 17. The whole time you were
there? How many years were you stayed in
the same room?
Same roommate?
Olahi changed, I think, the last year.
They brought a different brother. But I had
an Egyptian roommate,
meaning, got really
we really got along.
And after that, he was A physical beef.
Yeah? I don't know, I'm just He was
an Egyptian brother and we really clicked because
your roommate could either make or break your
stay over there. Definitely.
Like I know brothers are always having issues.
Mhmm. Alhamdulillah.
So alhamdulillah, I managed to have someone that
I could,
you know, build an understanding with. And then
later on when he graduated,
a brother from Namibia came.
Namibia? Yeah. You mentioned him when when we
were there? Yeah. A neighboring country to South
Africa. Okay.
Speaks English? Yeah. Speaks English. They were South
Africa and Namibia, they both speak English very
well. Yep.
Yeah. He was my roommate. Lovely brother. Lovely
brother. You I remember you mentioned to me,
you said
you have lessons late because I think 9:30
in the UK but over there it's at
11:30, 12:30. But you said he's the best
brother ever. He he doesn't say anything. Yeah.
He didn't have any issues.
Yes, Subhanallah. There was a guy,
like, right in front of where I live.
Right?
It's like they have pies in the Akhida.
Some brothers they would get together. I don't
want to say the nationality but and then
the brothers, you know, walking out upset, angry,
you know, they're about to Yeah, the roommate.
And they're about to go at one another,
and I have to basically intervene and stop
it,
you know. And then even subhanAllah recently I
got told that the roommate,
well the one who replaced me is actually
cooking inside there.
Inside the room? Yeah. Not in the kitchen?
Cooking inside.
Like, there was boxes there that I I
still got some boxes there that have my
box inside of it.
Aqidah was like, what do you call it?
Oil. No. No.
What do you call the thing that that
runs around? Rats. No. Not rats. Mice. No.
Cockroaches.
Cockroaches. Yes. Inside the boxes? Inside of the
boxes. It's like I can't transfer these cockroaches
back to the UK. Yeah. Bring it to
Musa Dufala. Allah, I love them.
Yeah. But it is this depends, you know,
who. Yeah. Yeah. No. It's very true. So
okay. So you're in building 17.
So yeah. Okay.
Is that the one opposite the football pitch?
Or No. No. No. It's right next to
the Masjid.
Masjidid Jidid. Okay. From the back Okay. In
the corner. Okay. So it's right next to
the Masjid.
Yep. Yeah. Masha'Allah.
Okay. So in terms of, like, you know,
like, the verses of the Quran,
this is something I've always wondered. Like, and,
inshallah, I'll study, obviously, but,
it's probably good to ask right now. I
know the Surah,
they they weren't, as in the order we
have now, al Fatihaal, Baqarah, al Imran and
the rest of it. That's obviously not the
way the Quran was revealed, right?
So so that's fine. I think most people
probably know that.
But in terms of the actual verses within
the surah,
how what was the surah order? Like, for
example,
in Surah Al Baqarah, you have the story
of Musa alaihis salam, Adam alaihis salam at
the start. Well,
in terms of the order of the revelation
of the verses, not the surah, because we
know that that's not in order.
How how did that all come about?
Well, now all of this is tawkifi from
the prophet salallahu alayhi wasalam. Tawkifi. Yeah.
Setfuf. Yeah. Send down. Yeah. Send down.
The messenger, Salaam, will teach his companions where
this verse goes and Oh, okay. There's literally
2. Yeah. 2. After the revelation from Jibyah
al Islam, the prophet understood this goes there.
This goes here. Wait. This is the one.
Okay. Yeah. That's
something I didn't know. Like, I don't know.
Sometimes you Sometimes you even think of business.
Right? Yeah. But
this is,
it is good to know.
In terms of like,
a student of
student of I think there's different angles, but
student of knowledge, student of Heif,
student of Morajah,
I think we should say student of knowledge.
We should ask you about the student of
knowledge.
What advice
what advice would you give them?
Again, general advice, but try to relate it
back to the Quran somehow.
Wallahi, put time into the Quran.
Like, what what what I see happening across
the across the borders
Yeah. Of course, you know, when you want
to start seeking knowledge, you are extremely zealous
about taking all the information in. You want
hadith. You want
you want this. You want that.
Then actually, we forget that
all of these sciences, they originate from where?
The Quran.
Right? I don't think it's right for somebody
now to go through 6 years,
studying at a,
you know, at a university.
And he has a memorized Quran.
Allah
will give, you know, will put so much
barakah in your talab, in your pursuit of
knowledge. If you give time to the Quran,
right? Kitabun Azanawilaykumu
Barak. A blessed book that we've sent down.
Right?
And then you'll find, subhanAllah, everything will just
fall into
place after you give time to the speech
of Allah, the best of speeches.
Right? Even Imam Nawar Hamadullah, he says,
if you solidify 2 things, the Quran and
also the Arabic language,
all of the other different sciences will open
up for you. So give time to the
book of Allah.
Right? Even the ajar, you know, the reward
that you get with it.
And all I can see a difference when
someone's memorized the Quran and someone hasn't. You
see a big difference.
Mhmm. I think, like, in in in in
this day and age and I think particularly
in the west, and I think youngsters or
is I think it's just this whole influence
thing where, like,
where they they they want to, like, talk
about, again, sophisticated
areas like filth filth issues, for example. Like,
these guys do this or these guys. Twitter
was on Twitter was. Twitter was on this.
Alhamdulillah, I'm not on Twitter. So I'm I
know I know there's a lot of things
that happened there. It's crazy. People tell me,
like, oh, this happened, that happened. It is
a platform you wanna cancel someone, by the
way. Say that It is the platform if
you want to cancel someone.
What would you mean? Like, as in if
you want to cancel someone Yeah. Twitter.
Cancel them all there. Cancel as in, like,
refute them.
Don't worry.
I don't know what you mean. I mean,
they cancel you. No. Yeah. So basically, if
you want to kinda like tear someone down
Yeah. You wanna bring him down, it's Twitter.
People get together and then you find ways
to kinda like really get that person dropped
and Twitter, basically for you, you know?
Every time I hear these things, I just
say, so happy I'm not on these things.
But anyways, no. No. I I was saying
about, these days in in in the west,
I think and youngster as well. And I
was part of that. As in I used
to know people that were part of this,
environment where they they'll be talking about all
these issues and refuting and debating and wasting
time. Just wasting complete time.
And I would say, like, 90% of these
people are not Hafid,
and 90% of them, they don't know anything
of the Arabic language.
But they're talking about these massive issues. It's
a problem. It's a big problem. And I
think it's in the west quite a lot.
The our
you know, in the the the sheikh of
our shoo,
he had a similar statement to this telling
the student of knowledge, don't busy yourself with
refutations.
Don't.
There's so many other important things that you
are in need of Exactly. While your mind
is a lot more fresh. You have more
time on your hands. Mhmm. It's not not
going to be the same the moment you
get married. Like, I'm actually struggling at times.
Me and my family are going back and
forth about who's gonna look after the child,
especially now she's alive.
She's about to give birth and whatever have
you. I want to spend my mornings
not being disturbed, but then the child wakes
up, and then she's tired, exhausted.
So it takes a lot out of you.
You don't have that same time, and then
you're being sent to do errands. And
So,
yeah, I just advised that you, Sakheed, just
benefit from your time before there's no more
time. Yeah? And then you regret that you,
you know And I think it becomes, like,
for for all of the youth and it's
sad to say, but even older people, like,
I feel sorry when I when I when
I hear older people talking about this mother,
and you should be doing this and this,
doesn't really make sense. But the bottom line
is, as you say, like,
you need to
you need to focus on yourself. And I
think a lot of people, they
it's like a not ego thing but it's
like
a if you say that that person is
wrong you feel better about yourself.
That's
if if you if you if you think
of psycho if you come from a psychological
perspective, as I told you, I've been studying.
But I I read a lot about human,
human biology.
And I think a lot of it comes
down to this. Does it also stem off
from,
originally from
any,
what do you call it, being psychologically
inferior? Or
Yeah. As in it's like a ego thing
like Inferior complex. Yeah. Someone feels like. Exactly.
Yeah. So so so if if if you
have a group saying that these people are
wrong, you'll join that group just to be
part of a group that's saying that those
people are wrong. So it's like a ego
thing, and it's like a like a manly
thing that they're trying to use this to
let you know,
that's obviously a different topic and,
Jazakum Makheel and Sheikh, I really appreciate it.
It was an absolute pleasure. One thing one
thing I definitely appreciate is the show notice
that I gave you, Anuj.
I I I thought and he's My childhood's
friendly, I mean, you know. He's he's
his his wife is expecting, and, obviously, he
came out. It's 1:1 in the morning. No.
He's fine. So Honestly, it was a pleasure.
And, we should do this again sometime with
maybe a different theme.
And Allah
accept your time and our time and doctor
Hal's time and Zakaria's time as well. So,
yeah, Insha'Allah, we'll,
is excellent speaking with you and very insightful
as always.
And we shall end it there.