Abdurraheem Green – UKreign IMPERIALISM, RACISM & WHITE FRAGILITY The Peace of Cake Podcast
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Salam alaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh. And welcome back, we are back. Over there in the right corner is
abdur-rahim greener over there in the left corner. It's the Dr.
Baker, you've come at you are here and they've come back to or we've come back to you. Last piece of cake, a piece of cake. Last Alhamdulillah we got a really interesting subject, bro that you cooked up. I just love the title. So tell me a bit tell me the title of what you're thinking and where you want this conversation to go. I'm interested, I will do that. Okay, UK, Ukraine or UK raining periods and racism and white fragility, basically abdur-rahim, I was unprepared an article and then I kept stopping starting. And I thought, Well, no, I'm not going to write. And I've written about five pages of notes. And I had the title UK rain and other aspect there as well and discussing it
with my wife and everything. And I found that really frustrating because we saw so much emerging from the initial few days of what was happening with Ukraine. And the hypocrisy in the media. Did you see the synergy, disingenuous statements and comments coming out that had to do with racism that had to do with Islamophobia? It was just oozing out. They weren't even losing.
Myself? Do you know what I've looked at what we as Brits were saying, and I was thinking to myself, This is so hypocritical, I was thinking like of iron Kurdi, the young child washed up dead on the shore, the amount of people who have died in the trying to cross and to flee their war torn countries. And so I thought to myself, Okay, this has got to do with whiteness. Okay. And we're not just going to talk about white privilege, I think we've got to talk about white fragility as well. Because the way everyone jumped in, look, suddenly, immigrants can come on the Channel Tunnel, they can get ferries across luxurious travel over to the UK, we got families offering to take in
immigrants, but holding them in it. Is this a new phenomena? It is so far as whiteness is concerned. But whiteness, in what instance abdur-rahim Because you may know that hark back to the 90s. We had Bosnia. Yeah. And we saw what happened to the Bosnians and their whites as well. Yeah, they weren't afforded the same treatment. No, don't you know, why not? Because of their religion? Yeah, brown and they're saying it, bro. They're seeing it very clearly. And you know, I don't know why people are. I'm so happy that those reporters are being absolutely frank and open and saying what they're saying. It's so good that they're saying it. And bro, this is what I've been telling people. Right.
I've been sitting with brothers. Yeah. You know, brothers in high places. They're not even high places. But you know, relatively high places. Yeah. sitting there saying you, you don't know what these white people are like, I know. Because I come from though I come from that part of the world. I'm from that white middle class, privileged background. I know what they're like. Yeah. And just get you know that people don't believe me, bro. It's like, they look at me, I can see that look. And you know, when someone's looking at you that like that look of like, No, I don't really believe what you're saying. It's like, Yeah, I hear it. But no, you know, it's like, what? And now it's just sort
of, it's coming out, bro. It's like, there's just not even. And I'm glad they're not pretending to hide it. I'm so glad. You know, because it's just what I've been saying for a long, long time. Like since day one. I've been saying this stuff, right? And what's what's o'clock here because I'm speaking to someone who has white privilege comes from the middle class. And the difference is now is that as a Muslim,
as someone before us Muslim, being transparent, being honest, being truthful. We don't need to get on the defensive about our ethnicity, because it's beyond ethnicity that we're speaking about now. And so, again, coming back to the title, everything's in there, and before we should get because we don't want to ignore our wonderful patient audience who've been waiting for us to come back.
walaikum salam O Allah, He, Rebecca Isma. Ashley, all of you, Octavia, all of you do the names of being up and coming up on the screen. Thank you and apologies for being off air for a while. And it's mostly mostly my fault. No, no, but hamdulillah you've been busy, there's been things happening. And we're back. And I think we've actually got invited to some I got invited to some lectures in a real lecture hall, you know, like, in a muscle in front of real people. And like, for the first time for two years, well, not the first time to be honest, but pretty much yeah. So now everything's opening up, people are asking me, to be honest, I'm turning down a lot of stuff,
because it's just like, No, I'm not doing that stuff anymore. Like the whole university scene. It's like, No, dude. Like, I'm not I'm not just traveling for 500 miles to talk to you people. I'm just not doing that anymore. You know, it's like, I'm too old for that.
You know, so it was that brothers and sisters. So I apologize. You know, obviously, we, you know, a piece of cake is on Saturday. And obviously, communities generally going to want their talks on Saturday evening, isn't it? So? It's going to who knows? It might happen a bit more. It might not. We'll see.
But mostly my thoughts are I apologize brothers and sisters, we've missed you. I've missed the darkness. I've missed you, my, our lovely audience and amazing interactions and all the great comments that you give that Subhanallah sparks so many interesting conversations. Sometimes your comments are more profound than what we come up with. Isn't our dog, Rob? Yeah, no, definitely aboubaker saying about Ukraine, we've deliberately spelt it brother Abu Bakr, UK, rain Ukraine, there's a there's a deliberate misspelling, and well, not extremely spelling to play a play on the words because I think that we're looking at statements from the UK we listen to Prince William and
him making these outrageous statements, which everyone picked up on about, oh, this is not this doesn't we expect it in other countries that are from Africa and Middle East and but we don't expect it in Europe, but hold on a minute. World War One, after him going to
World War Two, World War Two, the wars in the Gulf Wars. Let's go to South America. Let's go to the Industrial Revolution. Let's go to the what happened preceding succeed. And let's go to America. And let's just be really frank. And this one, white fragility, fragility, abdur-rahim
white ethnicities have been responsible for more wars on this earth. In recent history and distant history, then black and brown people. Yeah. Together, more death, more destruction, more wars, more, more than you can imagine. Right? I mean, like you said, just take the First and Second World War. So he was saying, like, for God's sake, in Europe, they had 100 Years War, a war that went on for 100 years, it was called the 100 Years War. 10 Years War, that, you know, the reign of terror, I was just listening to about the reign of terror with the French Revolution, right, and what happened there that the people just being executed, I What was it, three 300,000 people in prison, you know,
50,000 people executed. And that's not when the population was like, what it is now. That's right, people doing that to white people. Right. I mean, you know, we have people still alive, we fought in the great wars. So people, I mean, you know, it's just delusional for white people to talk about, oh, we don't expect this. But at the same time, this is human beings, we have a very, very short memory, right, we really, really do. We, you know, our memory is incredibly short. And our thinking tends to be incredibly short term. And yeah, that's it. I mean, at the end of the day,
you know, wipe it, it's the funny thing is, is the, I say funny, like the peculiar thing is just as the United Kingdom is pulling itself out of the European Convention of Human Rights, which the United Kingdom initiated itself. Why did it do that to make sure that what happened in Nazi Germany never happens again? Right, right. If you want a wake up call, right. As to why you should not abandon things like the Charter of Human Rights. Is that right there in Ukraine? I haven't heard anyone talking about that. They're still talking about stripping away our rights right they're still doing it they're still flippin going full steam ahead. Right? This Elizabeth trust is coming out
with So if God know what stuff she I just read today about some stuff she's going on about? Well, let them let let's let let's see, if they stand up for this and say, Oh, we are wrong. We need to act.
Should we strengthen the Human Rights charter to make sure that people's human rights are not violated, but then
you're absolutely right up to him. But then then then we look at this aspect with less trust, advocating for foreign fighters to go over and fight. And then we see what happened with the Muslims. So there's that before going, Sister Lala rockin apex predator like yesterday's o'clock here. We've missed you as well. And it's good to be back brother, Bill Alikum salaam Rahmatullah back out. So my thing is that,
you know, when sometimes you have to point out the subtle hypocrisy, but as you said, in a way, this is good for everyone to see the blatant hypocrisy of blatant racism. And as I said, up there, what do we mean by white fragility? Okay, you'll see in that in the way societies are falling over themselves, openly to help the Ukrainians. And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. And I don't want to diminish what's happening to the Ukrainians because it is bad. It is wrong. It's there's a problem there. But abdur-rahim, let's check one thing, let's look at some historical aspects. When they tell started developing
the USSR at the time, then decided they will have the Warsaw Pact that would counter NATO. So the neighboring nation nations that came under the Soviet Union union, were a mirror of the of NATO, but a small mirror.
An agreement was formed to dismantle the Warsaw Pact, and on the premise that NATO would not spread. Its hegemonic strategy any further into that region.
Now, if you go back and look at interviews, and I'm not different than Putin at all, but we cannot do what the wet the propaganda was out there, now, Russia is doing their fake news, China's assisting them from what we're seeing. The West is doing it just every day when I switch on the news, every channel or for Ukrainians this this this, but let's be realistic. Now. NATO has continued to expand towards Russian borders.
And it's starting to surround or wanting to surround just isn't right around Russia. Yeah. There's been kickback from Putin for years about that. You must stop, you must stop. Now, again, let me be clear, that does not justify what he's doing now. As the West would never tolerate the same thing on their borders. Exactly. If Russia started, you know, arming, say Mexico, right. And we already know that they did that in the Cuban Missile Crisis. Right. America was very firm, like when Russia was trying to send over missiles to Cuba. That was it. You know, they were saying we were, you know, hours or days away from a potential nuclear war. That's how close it came back. Right. But I mean, I
love Ireland, bro. I think, you know, I, you know, you're right. And it's like, no, no, I feel sorry for the Ukrainians. It's horrific. It's sad that any country is invaded by another country, but there's always many many sides of the story. There's always a lot more going on. One of the things that's really disgusted me right. really made me angry and upset. Is this whole you know, hater Russian propaganda stuff that's going on? Right, right. You know, we're not going to call them chicken calves anymore. And right, you know, Russian shops having to call them stop calling themselves you know, Russian supermarket, right? And even a tennis player saying you will not be
allowed to play tennis unless you denounce Putin.
I mean, this type of stuff, bro. Like, anyway, you know what, as I say, what comes around goes around. And you know, it's just karma, bro. Like, how many of these white people have treated Muslims exactly that way? Yeah. Because either a bombing here or bombing there or whatever happened. And some of it was not even Muslims anyway, like in Russia, for example. We know that the apartment bombings were actually Russian secret checks now.
It's like not even that it was done by flippin Putin. Right? Yeah. Blew up his own people. Exactly. You know what, they all turned on Muslims. They all blamed all the Muslims right for something. Well, now it's your turn. Right. And it'll everybody bit by bit by bit, everyone will taste a bit of it, because that's just the law. That's Allah's law. That's just, if you don't get it in this life, you'll get it even worse than the next, you know, and the position of the Ukrainian president and Ukraine with regards to Palestine. If you remember, we don't have to go back too far. And he's comments and, oh, we've got to, they've got to stop
bombing and harming the Israelis, the propor Israelis. This is
unfair, this is unjust. And so the reign of terror that Palestinians have faced, okay, Israelis have had to face that from Hamas to a lesser degree. And it's, but the response has been disproportionate, as always, stones and missiles don't equate. Okay. But now they're facing a similar scenario across I
read somewhere where someone you know, in a Twitter feed or something, you know, like, the Ukrainian President was saying something about Israel in the state, like what you said, and someone had written well, wait, you just you wait till Russia invades you, then you'll know what it's like, and it's happened, and it's happened. You know, so like, I wish everyone will wake up and smell the coffee, when you treat people badly, it's gonna come in your face, and Russia is gonna get its turn, everyone's gonna get their turn, you know, and the West has been turning on it. So, you know, my wife often tells me oh, this and that, and this plot and this plan. And these things I say, you
know, yeah, but I was the best of planet. Yeah. You know, and as probably loves highlighting here about using corporations as weapons of economic destruction. I was listening today that 400 American companies have withdrawn from Russia. And the discussion was about what about the other 36 was sort of sitting on the fence. So the American economist, economists was appealing to the Americans, well, if they've not pulled out of Russia, boycott their goods. So you've got this us and then scenario, but let's be clear, I want to be clear from from us, in case anyone was mistaken as us. Assistance just mentioned about I think a farmer been watching them and in English, the Russians went and
helped Syria. There's that's a bit of a debate there, if it was actually helping Syria, and they're still in Syria and what was taking place there. But I'm not here advocating for Ukraine or Russia. Now, and I know you're likewise I'm not, I'm not equating what I'm what I'm what I'm highlighting is the hypocrisy in all of this. And no one is even attempting to hide or bury that 2015. I wrote an article when Russia annexed the Crimea. Okay. And I've said that, what did they do? They did sanctions. Okay. They're doing sanctions again now? Yeah. Is it going to achieve anything? They're saying they're trying to avoid world war three. But ideologically, World War Three started a few
years ago, abdur-rahim and it's continuing, its continuing, they're talking about the physical fighting the physical, World War Three, where member states are going to come together, and support each other and align each themselves with each other. We look at China, for example. Why are they keeping quiet because they're looking at Taiwan, we know what's happening in Hong Kong. So everyone having been playing out behind, which I think is really interesting for everyone to have a think about, which most people don't talk about. And the very interesting thing to play out is the economic system behind all of it. So as I'm sure everyone knows that the American dollar is, you
know, the global currency at the moment, everything is pinned to the American dollar right. Now, you see, the thing is, that gives them a record a lot of power. And they just been abusing that power, right? Because now I mean, really, what's
the other thing? That's really shocking? Yeah. But everyone's waking up and smelling the coffee. It's like, well, wait a minute, anyone who doesn't do what America wants them to? Yeah, right. Okay, that will cut you from the banking system will cut you from visa will cut you from the monetary exchange with the global monetary system. I mean, obviously, we know this already happened to Afghanistan, we know how many people are, you know, suffering and dying. It's literally a horror story in Afghanistan, like more people are going to die in the next couple of years, probably in Afghanistan, the whole 20 years of war, right? Nothing to do with the Taliban, it's to do with US
sanctions. And basically, the US has is going to sanction anybody who does any trade with Afghanistan, there may be lots of countries who want to write like Qatar or, you know, anyone, Saudi Pakistan, anyone, however, who does trade with Afghanistan, they will be sanctioned, you know, the routes of finance will be cut off, so on and so forth. So they basically make it impossible. I mean, people don't understand this. The thing is, like, everyone is thinking, Wait a minute, this is probably the first time that the USA have done this to a major world power like Russia, right? I mean, people are gonna be thinking, Wait a minute, if you can do this to Russia, who's next and
people are getting really a bit fed up, right? Yes. You know, I mean, some analysts say America is still going to get away with it. It's still by far the biggest, you know, economy in the world. China has not caught up with America yet. But the thing is, you know, I always say Never underestimate the people to get, you know, really peed off and just say, You know what, yeah, I'm gonna suffer, but it's better than living under this oppression. Right? Yeah, yeah.
So that's another factor that most people don't really think about, right? This is still the same imperialism, but just in a different place a different cloak. We're seeing that with NATO on the one hand and America pushing. On the other hand, we see when we look at the UK, UK, again, the hypocrisy that's there with with the current prime minister. And we've got problems with Russian oligarchs, because of the amount of investment they've made in the UK, and how they've been cozying up with the Conservative government and vice versa. So all of that's taking place, and it's like, frankly, they've been caught with their pants now say yes, frankly, as I can say, and what's happening now,
as you said, there's an underlying current that's actually there. Now, we know that in the impact of the sanctions in months to come, and then it's the forecast this and just basic economics will tell us, we are all going to be impacted by what is taking place now. We're all going to be impacted economically by this. So there's an economic I think that's what they want us to believe. But the reality is that the economy was the economy was shot to bits. Way before that. I'm talking globally.
Globally, for right, inflation has already run away, right? Like all of this stuff. I mean, that's a whole nother you know, discussion as to how, you know, is something else going on here is this just you know, like people that they they're quite happy to manufacture wars conjure them up in order to distract smokes in there. I'm not saying it's not real. I'm sure it really is real, right. But there's some people more than happy to do that to distract people from what is really going on. Right. And all of these energy price hikes is a joke. There's oil is actually cheaper than it has been for a long time. There's tons of natural gas, there's so much natural gas, there's ships
sailing around the ocean full of natural gas. I remember reading an article not long ago,
you know about how much natural gas there is. There's so much of it, they don't know what to do with that. Why are why are our our fuel prices? Oh, Russia, you know, it's the price of this and that No, bro, it's just all there's something else going on? Bro. I'm telling you. There's one other agenda behind all of this. There is you and I there's a brother that we know from Leeds masala Novak very well is in the oil sector. And I remember about a year and a half ago, because he goes out to Iraq sometimes. And he was telling me that the focus of the Western companies was just on the crude oil. And he said, if you saw the flames and the amount of gases that will be as well,
while they mutated, no, they're not interested in that, even though it's a million.
Exactly. So this is what these societies have done. And this is this is the ploy of imperialism as well, is to extract as much wealth and resources from those countries,
destroying them in order to like have a parasite in order to live. And to continue now, under him, we're here, this is a Muslim show. And we're just we're bystanders at the moment regarding this. And I think it's really important, hence the title, as I've mentioned, to realize what we're facing.
And for us to say, right, how are we supposed to be as Muslims in all of this, there's so much in this title. I've thrown everything into this title. And we have to look at how we are as Muslims against all of this with regards to Ukraine with regards to imperialism, racism for white fragility, and we've got to question ourselves, are we taking a position in this whole thing? And if we are, while we, because we know Allah speaks to our room, where he speaks about the Romans and the Persians, and we know that I asked that it's about and the Muslims will rejoice regarding the victory of one why? Because it's better for the Muslims in that on that particular occasion. So we
need to be very careful that when we're discussing this, not you and I am talking genuinely, generally, we're not falling into that. And I will call it that imperialist, racist narrative. Because what we're doing is we're accepting inadvertently, we're accepting that we are second class, by way of our deen, by way of our ethnicity. And that white fragility is what needs to be preserved in the way that we're seeing the media, the government and the political politics playing out at the moment. So we've got to be careful that we're not fueling that by debating and falling on one side or the other. We've got to see it as a, okay, because we're not second class citizens and our dean
is certainly not a second rate, faith in that in that instance, but what we're seeing is that overdrive, that white
fragility has come to the fore. And all of the nation states, even when we've had a very measured statement of Representatives, the UN Security Council from the African countries, and you've seen others, like the Russians, you've seen even Zelinsky really navigating and say, Yes, you've got to listen to our African brethren. You've got to listen to our African brethren. Remember, Africa was was dismissed,
despoiled. Africa was plundered. What happened to the colonization of Africa, and the country's have still yet to recover from that, remember, some of them only 5060 years old independence. So we need to really look at look at India. Look at what's happened there. Let's look at partition Pakistan, Bangladesh. Look at all of this and look at the fingerprints, okay, of white imperialism, racism in that on the basis of minimizing and protecting whiteness. So the fragility doesn't spill out, as we're seeing now. Because white fragility is at the fore is bubbled to the surface surface, and everyone's trying to push it back down, and everyone's rushing in. And so the black and the browns,
sort of showing some some sympathy, but a measured sympathy, because they remember what happened when it was them. And yeah, emanations of that are still there today. So let's not
let's not be token and all yes, this is really bad and poor, what do we do know what's bad and what's happening but Olden, Palestine, Bosnia? Yeah, religion came to the fore, African countries to gray what's happening to gray at the moment, the Uyghurs in China, what's happening with the rain? We're hiddenness. And everything in that instance, when they were loading, what's the name of suddenly he was a
beacon of human rights. And then when the she's been prosecuted by the military now this sort of were on her side, but that she kept quiet. Also name you single, what? Kim Jo Yoon, or something? North Korea the woman I can't remember her name anyway. So
in in Myanmar,
yeah. The leader of South Korea
know for me, the point is, she's a hero one moment, but when the Uyghurs are suffering, we didn't hear the voices come up at that particular point. So when it comes to Muslims, what is very clear is we are so low in the pecking order
that they can speak unashamedly as they're doing now. And then when you bring in these examples, they say that you are obscuring the issue. But the issue is very clear, imperialist, white fragility, nothing other than that is on the cards here at the moment, and Islam, blackness, brown, this is antithetical to this.
And if we can't, cannot draw a line in the sand and say, we're okay. Are we going to continue to have this over dependency? Or we're going to continue to wear rose tinted glasses? And say, No, it's not really that bad. You see, see you soon. And thank you. Thank you, Medaka. And, yeah, if we're going to say that, it's not that bad,
worse things are going to follow from this, as it relates to other Muslim minorities and other ethnicities. And they will not be the cover, you will not see the cover, like what we're seeing now. It will be minimized, it will be marginalized. Because it doesn't speak to white fragility. It doesn't threaten whiteness.
Yeah. I think bro, one of the things one of the people made a comment that, you know, Muslims should be neutral. And I don't think I don't think Muslims can ever be neutral, in the sense that from one point of view is that Muslims, we always have to stand up for justice. Right, right. And that's something that Allah orders us with to be, you know, to stand up for justice to be firm upon justice. And even to the extent that if it's even against your own family, even if it's against your own self, right, right. And you know, what, one of the things we're all looking back, I think the Muslim community has been outstanding, generally. Right. The Muslim community generally has, you
know, has always gone out of its way to condemn things that are wrong even about itself. Right. And it's had that humility, right. Now, some people may look at it as Oh, you know, you're bending over to whatever and I
I for sure some organizations and individuals are taking it like way too far. And even some people said, That's it. I'm not apologizing anymore with, it doesn't matter how much we apologize. You still, they still go on about, oh, when are you Imams going to speak up? Well, wait a minute, there's 100 500 Imams who signed this thing. You know, there's 50 scholars who sign this declaration like, haven't you read that? Right? You're better off of it. But the thing is that I think as a community, we've always been ready to admit to our mistakes and, and also roll the wrongdoings and misdemeanors within our own community. Right. By and large, not always, by and large. That's been
the case. But and I think that's when you come to white fragility, right? By and large, you don't find that at least today, you know, white people, I think there was a time when there was a lot of soul searching. There was a time when there was a lot of questioning about the past what they did about imperialism. There was that whole period in the 60s and 70s. Where, yeah, I just think generally, people felt really bad about what they had done. And that's the thing about, you know, Elizabeth trust now going on and saying, oh, Ukraine has made us understand that we shouldn't be embarrassed about our past.
What are you talking about? Right? You mean? You mean, you did in your past what Putin is doing to Ukraine? Yeah, it's embarrassed about that. Oh, we have we have to accept it warts and all. Good. Except the warts, then why don't you talk about the warts? Why is it that when the National Trust, for example, yeah, I'm a member of the National Trust, right? They're a really good organization. Right. They, they wanted because obviously, they have a lot of these old country houses. And some of you were connected to slavery. Right. And they wanted to start putting stuff up. Right. And I think they're gonna go they're going ahead and doing it. Yeah. Actually mentioning the connection of these
people to slavery. Yeah. So that people know, that disgraceful part part of the past, right, bro, they try to question their position as a charity, take away their charity status, this type of stuff. So what happened to accepting our past warts and all, like, accepting it means looking at it in the eye and say, Yeah, that wasn't nice. That was bad. We need to make sure we don't behave like that and do that type of stuff anymore. But it's not. It's still going on role because like, like, fundamentally a lot of white people, not all of them. There's a lot of white people who are not like this, there are a lot of white people who are very, very different. They're not like that. But
there's still a good a really good number and a lot of these people, quite a good number of them. Other people empower the people in corporations, the people who hold the reins of power, who still do have this racist attitude, frankly, quite frankly, it's pure, racist, you know, ethno racist attitude, and it's coming out. Oh,
like us, right. And to to go abroad. Exactly. To look at to look at this. How relevant that statement is. Look at what we've seen happen. Just recently, the news has come out about that 15 year old black girl who was strip searched in school, there's
no I read, I read about this. She was strip searched in school, because the teacher felt she smelled marijuana and there was nothing like that. But they strip searched her. She was on her menses abroad.
You gotta say she was on her mentioned menstruating. And they gave her back the old us one that will give her a clip. And they humiliated her.
And, and they felt that it was okay to do that in school. In 15, bro, 15. So it's totally illegal as well, by the way to say totally illegal, right? She's minor, right? Would they would they do if she had been a white student? Had would that have happened in that way? So my point is, we're looking that's on the, the lower social strata when compared to
us see that school in Sweden. With that old white woman trying to get those Muslim girls. I was disgusted. That was just Yeah, I brought you know, I was also really sad as everyone just sitting there. No, but can you ever have some might not know please elaborate on that video. It was awful. Please elaborate. Yeah, so there's a video of an old white Swedish woman basically intimidating these hijabi girls probably Somalian I don't know what this was if it was a class
Rome if it wasn't about, you know, a group of immigrants who are being integrated or whatever, right? And she slipped literally screaming at her say penis, we are in Sweden, you must say penis, right? Like, I mean, she was so old God knows when she last saw one old cow. Yeah. And the girl was so terrified, right? That was one girl. So terrified. She said, I want to leave. I'm really scared. I'm really frightened. She locks the door. Right? And said, No, you're not leaving sit down. Right? And there's quite a lot of students there. Right? And, you know, I mean, obviously, we can make excuses. You know,
the attitude, as you said, I watched the video, the attitude of that woman towards them was wrong.
And wrong. You know, like, the whole thing, this whole presumption, bro, I watched this amazing, I have to send you the link, I watched his really good interview with I think the press the leader of the press of the tidy barn and some Irish journalist who went to interview him. And she kept on asking these, you know, like, cringy questions, you know, like, really cringey questions about, you know, women. And, you know, he was trying to explain that, look, we're men and women are equal in Islam. But we just don't look at it. Our culture is different. What we consider to be equality is not when you consider to be equality, when the men are ignoring you, right? They don't do that to be
rude. That is actually out of their utmost respect for you. Right? That's the way it is, right? She just couldn't get it, bro. Like she was going on and on and on. And like, obviously, from someone like you and me, right, who we like been on both sides, right? We can sort of understand where she's coming from, but at the same time, it's like, she just couldn't get it, bro. It's like you could just see like, and it was just this whole idea that the way we white people do it is the right way. Ya know, what we think is freedom is freedom. What we think is respect is respect what we think is, you know, and she goes on about dress, he comes out with this classic thing, right? Are you free to
walk naked in your country?
You can dress what you want? Are you free to walk naked? She said, No, no, that would be immodest. And she just knew that was just that, like, what are you? You know? Like, who defines modesty? Who defines it? That No, bro, this is this is the but this is normal row, any civilization, any dominant power, you know, they're going to have this type of, you know, not any, but most of them are going to have this type of arrogance and attitude towards others. And you know, like, you see it with the Greeks. You see it with the Romans, you know, everyone who's known Greek as a barbarian. You know, the same of the Romans, I'm pretty sure probably the Egyptians were like that as well. I mean, look
how they treated Benny is sort of in Yeah.
So you know, this is just it's not a race thing, bro. It's just that's the way, you know, power is. That's the way civilizational supremacy in worldly terms is that's what it does. I hear you on that. And I think what we need to acknowledge and I, when I'm speaking to my children, I'm speaking to Brothers Sisters, we are living in the civilization of Imperial white dominance. That's what four or 500 years ago, it wasn't that we go a few 100 years before that even we saw that the world on the whole I'm not sure, unless we put aside Greek, the Greek civilization, we can include Romans In that instance, because we knew they were black Caesars that it wasn't really color. That was the
predominant thing at that particular time. And we know that there are great nations and histories that are there, across the Americas that were brown, across Africa that were brown that were black. But I think because we are living in this particular era of post enlightenment, imperialism, I think that the sharp and shocking reality of its existence, and the all of the societies in the West, and those that are coming out of colonization in the east, and wherever are still upon the apparatus of white imperialism. So what we're looking at now, and it's shocking to some to see the blatant racism and preference for these white Ukrainians. But this is just reflective of the status quo that is
still continuing. Yes, there may be more voices now that are speaking against it. There are more societies that are trying to press the Reset, reset button, pre colonization
But that's very difficult to do because they don't even know what pre colonization actually looks like. And is it going to be considered backwards compared to where we are talking technologically. So it's almost impossible, but it is impossible. So my thing is that there's got to be an acknowledgement of that. And there's got to be an acknowledgement that the pathway that we have to traverse has to have such an ideological underpinning. With regards to this deen and Tawheed. And I've mentioned this to you before abdur-rahim in the only way there will be seismic shifts taking place to eliminate and it will have to be that I'm not advocating violent overthrow or anything like
that. But when we look at the prophetic model, and we see how a superpower of that time collapsed, it was from none other than the ideological purification attachment Tauheed worship of Allah not the same, we just stop and worship Allah. But this is a complete Deen system that traverses any of the manmade systems that we are seeing, subduing mankind in various forms, isms, communism, democracy, democracy, pluralism, whatever it may be. That's the only way. And I highlight this. This is not romanticizing. But within the context of the environment, and the age and time that we're living in. Why do I say that? Because you've got some extremists who say, No, it's got to go back to exactly
like that. Riding horses? No, we're talking about it has to be within that context that when that happens, then we will see this depression, reduced, not diminished, but reduced, possibly eliminated. We've lost permission, but we are, are we a long way off, I was gonna say we're a long way off. I don't know if we are, I can't answer that one way or the other. But while while we're navel gazing, and while we're still respecting overlies, respecting the hegemony of white imperialism, because we're impressed with technology, technological advancement, and everything like this, as though it only comes from whiteness, then we're going to stay in the position that we're
in. And while we may enjoy and good, and for believe evil as we must do, which is the duty that we must do that, we are going to be hamstrung our hands tied behind our back, as we look on in admiration at whiteness, or imperialism, at the racist structures that are in place, which have filtered into our own practices, we've spoken many a time about the cost of the caste system from India that exists amongst us as Muslims with racism that exists there, which is not from within Islam. As long as we continue to adhere to those things that I've just mentioned, then we are not going to move forward, individually or collectively, because we're still looking at this imperialist
system. And we do have a deep admiration for it, as well as a loathing. It's a love hate relationship. We don't know what we're doing without it. So we tolerate it and try and make weight in that system. But we know the system is not welcoming to us, is the hegemonic system that wants to conquer and be superior overall, and is predominantly white, if not completely?
I agree. Well, there's not much to add to that.
It's a sad reality. But we need to be speaking you and I speak about these things abdur-rahim, as frankly, as we need to speak about them. Now, again, I want to say here as a black, British Muslim, this is not talking hate against whiteness, not not not not at all, as you said that, I'd say the majority of Britain is not like this hegemonic set of group that exists. Also, the ignorant, the uneducated, some call them the great unwashed jokingly but some series, you've got some ignorant white communities that will tap into what is being fed to them by the establishment, but that does not constitute the majority. And the majority is about justice, fairness, whether it's the
Ukrainians, whether it's
Syrians coming in whether it's Africans coming in from various countries on the continent, they want to help. But also you do have those who say we are concerned about the amount of immigration coming into our society because we don't want the shape of the society to change and that is a determinate concern that they actually have. You cannot equate them all to be racist and bigots because they have that concern for their hunger, ageing, the shape and the place that have to be we need to really look at the new MCs role. There's a lot of British people who are just as unhappy about Polish as they were about Pakistani or whatever, right. And it's funny to hear pretty
Etal actually saying that, yeah, we have to watch out for extremists infiltrating with the Ukrainian, you know, immigrants. Yeah. Because it's a way that they could do damage to us from the inside. So we have to be careful. So I don't know if that is an attempt to be even handed. But you know, the funny thing is, she's the one who's been like, a bit sort of like, No, I'm not letting these people
understand because it's gonna it's gonna come and slap them right in the face. Like it's not long, right? Just give it a couple of years in Parliament. Yeah. And someone's going to be saying, wait a minute, when the Syrians wanted to come in and the Afghans you said, we have no money. We have no this we have no that. But then when they when the Ukrainians came in, it was like, Oh, we've got you know, 300,000 of them are going to come in. So which is it? Right that it's it's
in the face. They know it right. Yeah. And we didn't hear we didn't hear house and Afghan did we? We didn't say we didn't have a petition to house Afghans Afghanis or those fleeing from from Tigray or we didn't hear that at all. But suddenly, there was definitely a patient. I mean, you might you might get a few articles about people who actually do stuff like that. But you know, that's in the sort of more of a liberal press here and they're sort of trying to show you a good story, but in terms of an actual campaign, yeah, and paying let alone paying people 350 pounds. I know it's Sajid Javid didn't volunteer though, right? Or Boris Johnson himself they could fit a few of those
Ukrainians in number 10 Downing Street, I think.
Or you saw the interview that Chatham House or bottling Palace there's lots of room there the queen doesn't even go there anymore. Yeah.
Johnson was interviewed by by some young young students, and they asked him that question about what you have some of the the Ukrainians in 10 Downing Street you've got to watch it on YouTube he was stumped he didn't know what to say. And he was like, Well, I'm not I'm only attending here myself and you'd have to speak the usual
obscurity of your station from Boris Johnson that he's renowned for but when it comes to others doing it Yeah, go ahead. But when it comes to putting it right in front of him no and as happy as said Boris is happy that the heat is off him telling you bro it's just so convenient isn't it bro it's so convenient that this whole COVID mess up because it's been the biggest you know the biggest mess up one of the biggest mess ups in history. Right the whole thing the whole thing was a failure from beginning to the whole thing about LockDown was a lie. It didn't benefit anyone it didn't stop the spread the disease it did absolutely nothing that's the evidence masks nothing. Right? Vaccines
definitely not what everyone thought they're talking about fallen dose number four now bro.
Do you remember when it was like we're gonna lock down just for two weeks? Yeah.
Roll they destroyed the economy. People lost their jobs. I remember saying Oh, when this whole thing started right at the beginning I said more people are gonna die from suicide. Yeah, they will ever die of the virus more people are going to die of depression. More people are gonna die of mental illness that comes from locking society down like that. Then you know then they will from any virus right? And that's it bro. We got a massive crisis brought this kids. I remember what I was watching this program was this girl really smart, intelligent girl high grades this and that. Refusing to go back to work? Because she's just terrified. Terrified. The virus terrified of this terrified of that
smart girl. 25 years old. She's got a high job, big pay. And like the job needs her to be interacting with people but she just won't do it. She refusing. Yeah, you know, and what's the big distraction? Let's have a war. How many times have we seen that? Let's have a war when we go back to the crusades, and we talk about Pope Ervin, the second and there was infighting in the UK and in England, and that everyone basically there was just kind of all about what are we going to do with all these knights because Yeah.
Killed the vile vermin, Sarris things, and then we had we had. So this pattern is something that is played out time and time again as a distraction from something that is impeding the status quo so that everyone loves and now this is this is a collective, you've got the Western world, speaking and standing against Putin. And as you said, I remember I saw a meme. Let everyone thank Putin for getting rid of the vaccine. Because when we die groaner is suddenly it's not an issue anymore. Yep. You know, suddenly it's just gone. So what I'm saying abdur-rahim, all of all of what we're discussing falls under this title
It's a very broad title. But it's also quite specific. And everything that we're looking at now falls under that you don't hear anything of black fragility or brown fragility. You don't hear anything about race racism be meted out. And let's talk about racism. Now, let's look at what's happening in Ukraine. I'm one of my team.
That's what I'm gonna do quick class.
An ex student of mine was my teacher told me one of my teachers told me, it's stuck over there. And they were trying to get them out. And we saw video footage emerging of how Ukrainian officials we're treating black and brown people that you can't get on the trains, you can't leave the will. But you had them come in and pay the fees, extortionate fees, because they're foreign students. But suddenly, they want to get back to back to their countries. This is a time when you say go back to your country. And they say, Yeah, we want to go back and say no Ukrainians first. So even amongst Ukrainian officials, Ukrainians
were like, What do you mean? Yeah, some of them were you craniums. There's black Ukrainians. There's people who are the you know, that you created just like here in UK like you're a black citizen, bro. Right. We are Ukrainian. What are you talking about? Yeah, bro. It's white. You're not white? Exactly. It's not that you're not Ukrainian, even bro. You're not white. You're not white. They should have just said it. White people first first. That's right. That's right. It's just disgusting. So you'll see in it while we're talking about sympathy amongst the Ukrainians. Yes. But let's have a context. Let's have a context to that. Because how can you be treating other races
trying to flee ethnicities trying to flee. And as you said, black Ukrainians. We weren't working here that possible. We weren't my father's Ukrainian, my mother's Ukrainian. And they're denying them because of their color.
And this is happening in Europe. This is the statement of Europe.
So we got to really smell the coffee thing is bright comes out of the woodwork. It's it's, you know, it's at times of, you know, these are the things that really show what people are made of, right? When everything's happy, and there's lots of money, right? And everything's, you know, hunky dory. It's easy to be nice, right? It's easy to be civil, right? It's easy to, you know, barrier racism a bit and this and that. The real test, bro. And that's why Allah puts us through tests to mock out the believers from the non believers to mock out the believers from from the monastic. Right, right. Yeah, because that's it the monofin when does that when do you really see who's on ethic? Yeah, when
your backs against the wall, right? You have to go out and you have to maybe lay down your life or whatever, I don't know what it is. You'll see them and then you'll really see who's the monastic? Right like in the time of the Prophet sallallahu. Yeah, right. And this is Rod This is the whole thing like since 911, bro, what for me, you know, 911 right is really been a seismic shift. Like they said, Never, never any nothing will be the same since 911. But you know, it's really true in a way that I think a lot of people don't think about, in the sense that the West literally flushed all its values down the toilet, all its values of freedom, democracy, rule of law, you know, all of
those types of things. They just flushed it down the toilet the first sign of danger the Coronavirus was the next thing Yeah, the first sign of a little bit of danger What did they do flush everyone's civil liberties down the down the toilet Yeah, Austria vaccine mandates Australia flippin putting people in concentration camps because they were not getting vaccinated or whatever, right? It's unbelievable. This is the West what happens is
predicated on on predicated on fear, and a lot of it just lies as well what your heart proves anyway. Not even really just the truth, just hyperbole. But the point is, that's what tests your bro like it's like it's a bit like this right? You know, our, our flag is the flag of toe heat. Yeah, our standard is the standard of toe heat. Yep, remember when things get really bad and what do we end up doing? We get out some idols and start worshipping idols over the lemon Valley you imagine bro it's like that's how quickly you brush your principles down the toilet Yeah, it's less like that bro. Because they weren't real principles in the first place. It was your he said it was all
convenience. Human rights is only human rights when you want them to be human rights right? When it basically when it's suitable for your, you know, foreign policy when it's usable for you know, you maintain the status quo. But when you want to violate human rights, you'll do it you'll operate your open torture camp.
So in Nicaragua in South America, your you know your render people you still got Guantanamo Bay running
in human rights because you don't believe in them. Except when you want to. Exactly. Exactly. And abdur-rahim As we're drawing to a close it's, it's the stark reality.
We already know this from our deen.
Yes Is Allah Allah says in the Quran, hatred, rank hatred has already come out of their mouths, but what their hearts contain
is even worse. Yeah, that's what I thought when I saw that old woman. I think that's when I posted it. I said, and what is in her heart is even worse. That's the little caption. I put my posted that video on my Instagram. What her heart contains is even worse, protectors may or may Allah change their hearts and guide them to Islam.
That will be the boundary
and what we what what do we what do what do we want from this, we're not advocating hatred, resentment.
We
just want it united and to find happiness, and like to be aware, and in these times now, we could be so caught up with the news with everything that's going on. What we need to do is go back and read and look at what Allah has shown us. And Allah tells us the Sunnah of Allah, as you said previously, never changes never,
never changes. And every one of us and everything that's going on is within the decree and greater plan and design of Allah subhanho to Isla. And we cannot see that because we are finite, and Allah is infinite. But this is all within the plans of Allah. But we've got to ask ourselves, what are we doing as Muslims as believers? Are we still being an example? Or are we just we just picking up tropes and mantras? And yes, bang out about Palestine? We have to the statement is there bang out about the injustice that is taking place with the Muslims and the double standards. But also, we've got to stand as you said, upbringing, we've got to stand up. And we've got to articulate against
injustice. Now what's happening to the Ukrainians is unjust, but we don't diminish it. Because we see the double standards with what's happened. With brown people and black people, we still have to do that. We don't jump into bed with the narrative that the West are just churning out the propaganda against Russia, and we don't jump into bed with the propaganda that's coming from Russia, we step back and we say, What does my dean say about this? And also remember that if we don't know, let's not just be given opinions? Let's remain silent on this.
Yeah, we're not just throwing opinions. And I think this and and believe in everything that we're hearing because then we can add to the problem, and we're not leading with dignity. We're not leading with grace. We're not leading as Muslims with regards to what we say. And conversely, what we don't say. Yeah.
Bro, I think it's a great place to leave it. It's been another stimulating amazing discussion as usual. Alhamdulillah Thank you, the audience got all fired up and haven't done as
I like it, especially at the end, bro, I'm so glad we got back together after this big break. I'm looking forward to our next one in sha Allah.
About next time, I still think we should pick up where we left off on the the Omicron.
Nail a beat a male and the what was it the third on wasn't there? Yes.
We will. I think we will pick up on that we have
Yeah, I think we will love to have a discussion. Is it really bad to be betta? You know, like, what does that mean? Isn't it not everyone can be an alpha bro. Like
Indians? Very true. Very true. But I think we will pick back up on that subject. And then we need to look and ask, are there equivalents for females? I believe they are. Yeah, gamma knows that it was in our Gamma bro. What was it? What do you know what I use when it happened when you need him? Maybe our listeners could give us some suggestions about what they would like us to talk about. Wouldn't that be great? You know, guys, if you got any subjects that you'd like us to cover any discussions that you'd like us to have? Why don't you let us know inshallah we can open the doors and me and I can have a good banter of Thank you show me a sigma sigma male. Okay, that's it.
Your eyebright it's been a pleasure. Likewise, and I will see you next week. We'll see if our participants send the message next.
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carried away that we need we need Ramadan to come around inshallah
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