Abdur Rahman ibn Yusuf Mangera – Woolwich Murder Not in Our Name

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Rasool allah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam said, Roger Burnley Emeril

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Imam Muslim relates that allah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam said

that

the

state of the believer, the situation of the believer, a

believer in Allah is very astonishing. And this can only be

for a believer in Allah, a believer in an ultimate reality in

a creator in someone who administrates and governs the

affairs of the human beings and the entire creation that is around

us. So, the Prophet sallallahu sallam said this astonishing. And

this beautiful situation is only for a believer, which is that when

something good happens to him, and they this person thinks Allah

subhanho wa taala, then that is positive and benefit for

beneficial for this person. And if something a calamity arises, some

kind of hurt reaches them some kind of grief, some kind of

problem, some kind of crime or whatever it may be any kind of

pain or grievance and they do Sabra and they patient, then that

is good for them as well. Based on that. This is the Hadith that I'm

using to take us through this time that we experiencing. I'm sure

nobody's really had a very good last few days based on the the

news, it's not something you can ignore.

It's very difficult to just kind of carry on with your work and

think it doesn't apply to you as a Muslim, whatever has happened in

Woolwich, and the murders. And it applies to all of us because it's

unfortunately done in the name of Islam. And they actually hang

around to tell people that this is Allahu Akbar. So essentially, the

word of Allah is being used with this gruesome murder. So it

affects all of us, because we call ourselves Muslim. It affects the

those who consider themselves practicing and righteous Muslims.

It also concerns those that

think themselves to just be Muslim by name, or just be progressive

Muslims or whatever they want to call themselves. So it affects all

of us. It affects Islam itself. And that's what the whole point is

that we want to deal with. First and foremost, everybody knows,

everybody must know what I'm speaking about. So as a Muslim,

and an Imam, I have to say that we have to, obviously condemn these

acts done in the streets of London like that, we have to absolutely

condemned them. And we, our condolences go with the families

of those who've been affected by this, no doubt about that. And we

do this sincerely. There's no doubt about that. We do this

sincerely. Now.

I just want to clarify, and I'd like whoever is listening to make

sure they listen to the entire talk. And not to just make

judgments on one aspect of that, because this is a very difficult

discussion to have. The reason is that we've got a

we've got many different persuasions and groups of people,

some who will consider this to be taught, most Muslims will consider

this to be totally uncalled for, and totally wrong, maybe called

for but totally wrong. Most Muslims would consider this to be

absolutely wrong, a heinous crime, and so on. I mean, that's quite

clear. However, there will be a group who will be looking at every

lecture that a Muslim scholar gives and will want his lecture to

be balanced to be discussing all sides of the issue. If I'm to come

to you today, and just condemn these acts, and not talk about

anything else, and I'm going to be blind about it. I'm going to

alienate a good amount of people, a decent group of people, because

a lot of people have grievances, and when the murderer himself is

sticking around, walking around after the act and trying to say

why he did it, as foolish as that might seem, that cannot be denied

that there is a link. There are separate issues though, but they

are absolutely related. And what I cannot understand is why

politicians until today just refuse to acknowledge that they

is a basis, the only people that seem to acknowledge this are the

experts that seem to have retired, retired from, you know, military

service or from the the spy services or from the security

service, only they then start voicing this thing. I don't want

to take too much time on this. But for the mayor to go around and say

that it's unrelated. The man is saying it himself, the killer is

saying it himself, and how can you deny that? It's not right what

they did. But the fact that there's a connection is no doubt.

And that needs to be understood. And that will have a dramatic

effect on the way Muslims deal with these issues in the way

Muslims view these issues. And if we continue to be blind about

that, and rejected, and there's a reason for rejecting that, that

idea, because there's benefit for the politicians to be gained by

incursions in Muslim lands, that's why they doing it all is great

amounts of money that are spent, there are huge amount. I mean,

these people are not silly and stupid people. Right? These are

not people off the streets. These are people who have been elected

for a reason. They're doing this for a reason. And they think it's

justified. So they're doing this and at the same time, they want

things to be hunky dory at home.

And that's the problem. It's, it's shown that despite what measures

you're placing, unless you put a camera in everybody's room on

everybody's head,

it's going to be extremely difficult unless you change your

policy not to have these kinds of things happen, who I pray to

Allah, they don't happen.

Because it's not beneficial for us. None of this is beneficial for

the Muslims. In fact, the Muslims do not gain in this one bit.

Because after whatever's happened in the last several years, the

Muslims who've committed acts well, whether in America or seven,

seven here, it's not been good for Muslims. There's no pleasure in

traveling anymore. You're singled out, you're looked on as a

terrorist. Yes, there's been many people who become Muslims. But do

you really think they became Muslims because of this, and they

actually outnumber the number of people that could have become

Muslim. If this didn't happen? You have to realize that we say that

okay, after September 11, this many people became Muslim, but we

don't know how many people would have become Muslim. If it hadn't

happened, we would have had a better way too, we would have less

explaining to do, we'd have less justification to make. And that's

what we have to focus on. So the foreign policy is definitely a

problem. I just want to get that out of the way first, before I

tackle the other issue, because I believe, and most Muslims believe,

and in fact, many other sensible people in the world will believe I

was listening to the radio, an older woman, she says, it's right

what he's saying, though, that, you know, this is how our women

how we you know, when he's saying that this is a women in certain

countries are feeling every day. They're being indiscriminately

killed, just like this man was. I don't know if he was, I don't know

if they had a proper plan in place. A lot of Allahu Allah,

Allah, Allah knows best, but it was wrong.

It was wrong. So it is resonating with many, many people. But that's

the problem. Why, why? Why does that have to happen that way? Now,

once I've, I've mentioned this, there is a way to deal with

grievances. And there are many ways to deal with grievances. The

problem is that the very people that have the greatest of these

grievances, and are willing to go to such levels, they're the same

kind of people that reject voting.

That reject voting, they think it's haram, they think it's good

for to vote.

That is one way to make a difference. The one thing that we

have to be satisfied about with this country and thank Allah

subhanaw taala for because if you don't think Allah, Allah subhanho

wa Taala is not going to give us any increase in enhancement in

that it will take the Nerima away from us. Maulana Tariq Jamil. He

mentioned over and over again, I've heard his lectures he says

that a country can run on cover and shake. Allah will allow that

country that ruling system to continue even uncovering shake,

but he won't allow it to run on volume and oppression.

Wherever there has been golden oppression, the downfall has come.

We're not trying to say that cover and shoot is better than boom.

They're both bad. But this is just the way of Allah subhanaw taala in

this world that you can see from observation, where there is

oppression and the idol and the justice that is supposed to be

given to people is out it's gone, then that's when that signals the

demise of the ruling system. But Cofer and Schilke doesn't. It

hasn't. There's been covering ship throughout the entire history of

the world, except the few times when Adam Alayhis Salam you know

that the few few few times. So we have to be thankful that at least

in this country, we've got this the foreign policy

Definitely stinks. But why do you want to mess up the domestic

policy? What you're going to get out of it, there are ways to get

into, into trying to change people's ideas. And if you don't

want to get become part of that same political system that is

legitimate, that is legal to do in the situation that we have, mark

my words in the situation that we have. And you don't want to take

part in that you don't even want to vote. Nevermind trying to

become an MP and trying to convince people and persuade

people and lobbying, lobbying people and make a lobby group. No,

you just want to do it differently. That doesn't work

like that. This is a mentality I've discussed with people of

this. They they park on a double yellow, and you tell him you can't

buy he says I don't, I don't. I don't follow the laws of the land.

And I had to sit and explain to him that by you parking outside

our Masjid on the double yellow. They want, they want to make this

street into a read route. And we don't want that to happen, because

it will make it extremely difficult for everybody that comes

to Sadat and prayer. And for the parents that come to drop their

children off for Masjid by you puking on a double yellow line

because you don't care for the rules of this, the laws of this

land, how is it going to benefit anybody, you're just enjoying

yourself? You just doing it for selfish reasons, because you don't

have to walk that much extra. This is the mindset we're dealing with.

It's just magnified on a higher level. It's a lot of rage, that is

being misdirected

that is being mis directed at us that they are linked issues, but

they totally separate. Who gives permission to go and kill a person

on the streets.

Imagine the effects of that. Imagine the harms of that. It's

haram, it's not permissible anyway, to start with,

to kill a random man on the street. Imagine if people turned

around and started going after our women, Muslim women just because

it was done in the name of Islam. And Allahu Akbar was taken at that

place.

What's that going to do for us? How has it benefited the Muslim?

How will it benefit the Muslims? How far have you gotten to? Where

did you get to? You've been shot?

Where does that get you?

These things have to be understood that we condemned the acts

clearly. Because they are wrong. It's not the way to go about these

things. And it's this mindset that has to change. Now, the other

thing is, the media is playing a double role in this case. One is

you've got the perpetrators who start this off in this country.

Obviously they're saying it starts off because of foreign policy. But

then you've got the media that takes it and makes it a bigger

deal. Why is it that it becomes a Muslim? Because it's a Muslim

becomes terrorist just because they shouted Allahu Akbar. Yet

there was another knife crimes Hackney, are we We're not alien to

that we have the murder mile here. Where's all of the analysis?

Where's all of the big discussion? Where's all of the hype? About why

it's happening? The youth that are doing this from the different

backgrounds? Let's look at what's going on. Where's all of the big

deal about that? What about our Muslim old man 70 something years

old in Birmingham that just passed that was killed murdered, again

knifed just a few weeks ago. Why isn't there a big deal about that?

And this is a big deal. This is a big deal. But why isn't both of

these things a big deal? That's why what what the problem with us

Muslims is today is that we're sitting down doing nothing about

it.

We're not dealing with people who have these issues. Well, the

problem is that when I think we are dealing with it, I think we

are dealing with this Alhamdulillah after seven seven,

we haven't had a bigger problem. This was a very simple, kind of

really, it seems like a very ad hoc kind of thing that happened.

But alhamdulillah we've been able to deal with this when the media

keeps saying the Muslims need to and certain individuals I keep

saying the Muslims need to rain people in the need to rain people.

What do you think we are? You think we have like a spy agency of

every Muslim in this country? And we know what they're doing. So we

have to say hey, go get that guy and stop him before he does

anything. Every Imam has a certain responsibility the Muslims have a

certain responsibility over their local area. We're doing our best

Alhamdulillah you're not seeing 1000s of these things happening

around. So why is it that we always have to respond to this and

waste our time and upset our business? That's why I said this

is a very difficult discussion I hate when these things happen

because they're not beneficial to us. It starts off by this rage and

then immediate jump on it and make it worse. If you if you look for

the word terrorism in the last five years, you will see it it's

always associated with with Muslims. It's never associated

with anybody else that does anything even though the crime in

itself will be worse. How many stabbings take place in England

every year? Yeah, I know these guys were silly enough to stand

around and you know I mean, it's just ridiculous hola hola. Quoted

May Allah guide us May Allah guide everybody. But this is not the way

to vent. Now one thing you have to realize just to put a an

An understanding and analysis of why these things happen.

The reality behind this phenomenon is

the same old human frailty. Why somebody will justify their

actions that are absolutely wrong by the majority consensus of the

Muslims. How they can justify that, using religion. This is

something that has dogged mankind for for centuries, every religion

has it.

Humans under pressure, have a habit of concealing base urges,

and dark motives behind religiosity. Because this is a

very good justification to give. Or any outward display of piety.

For example, when a mother tells his son, if a mother tells his

son, that he can hit the school bully back, you know, the kid is

getting bullied. And the month that mom tells her, tells his kid

tells the kid that you know what hit him back. So now what this guy

goes and does is the son goes on obediently gorgeous his eyes out

and breaks his legs, because his mom told him that you can hit him

back. So he takes it in the selfish way, and just goes the

whole nine yards. How can you say that's justified? Well, let's just

say a business owner, sends out one of his workers to go and buy a

dozen light bulbs. So what he does, he goes and does exactly

that. He goes to the hardware store, he goes and buys that many

bulbs of inferior quality, doesn't have the best interests in mind

buys, the inferior quality says that it cost the amount of money

that he was given in pockets the rest. That's just justification.

This is exactly what's happening with these people. This is what

they're doing. They're justifying in the name of some things. How

can you blame blame a religion? How can you blame this mother? You

know, a mother cannot talk about all eventualities. Similarly,

Islam is pure orders are in the hands of novices and certain

political groups, and certain people with a lot of emotion and

rage, but not the proper understanding of how to deal with

it, it will become open to abuse, just like any other religion, you

will become open to abuse. These people are generally driven by

rage, hatred and frustration, rather than by Islam, rather than

by Islam. Because if Islam was the driving force behind this, our

entire history would have been dogged by this. Our last 100

years, you would have seen so many suicide bombings, you would have

seen that Muslims just would not have been able to live anywhere,

because they would have been committing all of these things.

But that is not the case. This is a rage. That is very recent. And

of course it has its basis in something. But it's unjustified to

express that rage in this way. And to take it to this extent, it's

absolutely unjustified. That's why it's extremely difficult for the

Muslims to neutralize this completely. Because it's people. I

know that one of the Mufti Rafi of money. When he was asked about

this in Pakistan, he said that such people who do this won't ever

even listen to us. They don't even think that we are sheiks that we

are even authorities, they think we're sold out. They think we're

dunya we were worldly, and we have no care for an even understanding

of the really the real rights. So how are we supposed to do this, so

people need to understand this. However,

the action points, which is very important for us, at the end of

the day, for all Muslims, this is a wake up call. And we need to

think about how to deal with these issues, mainly in terms of how to

get the media to stop making such a sensation about it, to help the

politicians and encourage them to understand this correctly. And

this can only be happening only happen through lobbying through

becoming unfortunately part of the system as much as you hate it and

despise it. The system is not perfect, but it's the way to go.

There is some level of justice, and there have been benefits for

the Muslim community, by Muslims lobbying for certain things,

otherwise, you would have been well worse off. I believe me, we

are better off than even in America, we are better off than in

many other countries in Western countries. Because Alhamdulillah

the Muslims, number one, they are religious, they are praying. And

number two, they do take some parts in it. Whereas other people

even probably even more sleeping politics on his own is not going

to work. pray to Allah subhanho wa Taala is extremely important. But

you need to use the ways of the world to deal with this,

especially if you've agreed to live in this country and decided

to settle here. And remember, unless we change ourselves and

deal with this on our own, we can expect the politicians, the media,

the consultants that they call the the even the so called Muslims

that they always call even though they blame them for being behind

such people who committed such an act, that they are the instigators

and the inspires, and yet they still will call them to give them

a voice. So what is this? Why call such people to give them a voice?

call some people from the mainstream Muslims that represent

The majority of the Muslims in the country call only them. Why do you

want the other voice to be heard? You're just playing into the

hands. We have to take a collective duty we have to make it

a collective duty to explain what Islam is really, to everybody to

anybody and everybody to your neighbors to your co workers. We

don't do this. We don't even know how to give Dawa.

Not only thing we don't even know how to give Dawa. We don't know

even how to start the discussion with a non Muslim, which is really

a sad fact I talk about myself, I find it difficult.

And I'm sure most people do to just start a discussion. We'd

rather be like, Okay, you stay on your Cooper lecan Dino camellia

Dean, I will stay on my email and you stay on Yoko for that's not

going to help us.

May Allah subhanaw taala give us the Tofik. And again, I finally

say again, that we totally condemned these attacks. There is

no there's no no two ways about it. And do not conflate what I

have said to mean that I would justify the attacks. But we have

to say that the people in the in policymaking really need to

understand that there is deep roots to this.

Right? The consequences are not justified. But there are deep

roots to this and you have to start looking at the picture of

reality. May Allah may Allah subhanaw taala give us the trophy

to be good dairies, good representatives of the faith. And

may Allah subhanaw taala allow us to wake up this time and to and to

really do the right thing. And to really show the beauty of our

Islam working with our non Al hamdu Lillahi Rabbil Alameen