Abdur Rahman ibn Yusuf Mangera – Woolwich Murder Not in Our Name
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Bismillah al Rahman al Rahim hamdulillah
Al Hamdulillah Hera Bella Alameen wa salatu salam ala Sayidina
Muhammad wa ala alihi wa sahbihi wa barakaatuh limited Sleeman
Kathira on Isla Yomi Deen Amma beret
My dear respected brothers and sisters at home Assalamu alaykum
Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh
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Imam Muslim relates that allah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam said
that
the
state of the believer, the situation of the believer, a
believer in Allah is very astonishing. And this can only be
for a believer in Allah, a believer in an ultimate reality in
a creator in someone who administrates and governs the
affairs of the human beings and the entire creation that is around
us. So, the Prophet sallallahu sallam said this astonishing. And
this beautiful situation is only for a believer, which is that when
something good happens to him, and they this person thinks Allah
subhanho wa taala, then that is positive and benefit for
beneficial for this person. And if something a calamity arises, some
kind of hurt reaches them some kind of grief, some kind of
problem, some kind of crime or whatever it may be any kind of
pain or grievance and they do Sabra and they patient, then that
is good for them as well. Based on that. This is the Hadith that I'm
using to take us through this time that we experiencing. I'm sure
nobody's really had a very good last few days based on the the
news, it's not something you can ignore.
It's very difficult to just kind of carry on with your work and
think it doesn't apply to you as a Muslim, whatever has happened in
Woolwich, and the murders. And it applies to all of us because it's
unfortunately done in the name of Islam. And they actually hang
around to tell people that this is Allahu Akbar. So essentially, the
word of Allah is being used with this gruesome murder. So it
affects all of us, because we call ourselves Muslim. It affects the
those who consider themselves practicing and righteous Muslims.
It also concerns those that
think themselves to just be Muslim by name, or just be progressive
Muslims or whatever they want to call themselves. So it affects all
of us. It affects Islam itself. And that's what the whole point is
that we want to deal with. First and foremost, everybody knows,
everybody must know what I'm speaking about. So as a Muslim,
and an Imam, I have to say that we have to, obviously condemn these
acts done in the streets of London like that, we have to absolutely
condemned them. And we, our condolences go with the families
of those who've been affected by this, no doubt about that. And we
do this sincerely. There's no doubt about that. We do this
sincerely. Now.
I just want to clarify, and I'd like whoever is listening to make
sure they listen to the entire talk. And not to just make
judgments on one aspect of that, because this is a very difficult
discussion to have. The reason is that we've got a
we've got many different persuasions and groups of people,
some who will consider this to be taught, most Muslims will consider
this to be totally uncalled for, and totally wrong, maybe called
for but totally wrong. Most Muslims would consider this to be
absolutely wrong, a heinous crime, and so on. I mean, that's quite
clear. However, there will be a group who will be looking at every
lecture that a Muslim scholar gives and will want his lecture to
be balanced to be discussing all sides of the issue. If I'm to come
to you today, and just condemn these acts, and not talk about
anything else, and I'm going to be blind about it. I'm going to
alienate a good amount of people, a decent group of people, because
a lot of people have grievances, and when the murderer himself is
sticking around, walking around after the act and trying to say
why he did it, as foolish as that might seem, that cannot be denied
that there is a link. There are separate issues though, but they
are absolutely related. And what I cannot understand is why
politicians until today just refuse to acknowledge that they
is a basis, the only people that seem to acknowledge this are the
experts that seem to have retired, retired from, you know, military
service or from the the spy services or from the security
service, only they then start voicing this thing. I don't want
to take too much time on this. But for the mayor to go around and say
that it's unrelated. The man is saying it himself, the killer is
saying it himself, and how can you deny that? It's not right what
they did. But the fact that there's a connection is no doubt.
And that needs to be understood. And that will have a dramatic
effect on the way Muslims deal with these issues in the way
Muslims view these issues. And if we continue to be blind about
that, and rejected, and there's a reason for rejecting that, that
idea, because there's benefit for the politicians to be gained by
incursions in Muslim lands, that's why they doing it all is great
amounts of money that are spent, there are huge amount. I mean,
these people are not silly and stupid people. Right? These are
not people off the streets. These are people who have been elected
for a reason. They're doing this for a reason. And they think it's
justified. So they're doing this and at the same time, they want
things to be hunky dory at home.
And that's the problem. It's, it's shown that despite what measures
you're placing, unless you put a camera in everybody's room on
everybody's head,
it's going to be extremely difficult unless you change your
policy not to have these kinds of things happen, who I pray to
Allah, they don't happen.
Because it's not beneficial for us. None of this is beneficial for
the Muslims. In fact, the Muslims do not gain in this one bit.
Because after whatever's happened in the last several years, the
Muslims who've committed acts well, whether in America or seven,
seven here, it's not been good for Muslims. There's no pleasure in
traveling anymore. You're singled out, you're looked on as a
terrorist. Yes, there's been many people who become Muslims. But do
you really think they became Muslims because of this, and they
actually outnumber the number of people that could have become
Muslim. If this didn't happen? You have to realize that we say that
okay, after September 11, this many people became Muslim, but we
don't know how many people would have become Muslim. If it hadn't
happened, we would have had a better way too, we would have less
explaining to do, we'd have less justification to make. And that's
what we have to focus on. So the foreign policy is definitely a
problem. I just want to get that out of the way first, before I
tackle the other issue, because I believe, and most Muslims believe,
and in fact, many other sensible people in the world will believe I
was listening to the radio, an older woman, she says, it's right
what he's saying, though, that, you know, this is how our women
how we you know, when he's saying that this is a women in certain
countries are feeling every day. They're being indiscriminately
killed, just like this man was. I don't know if he was, I don't know
if they had a proper plan in place. A lot of Allahu Allah,
Allah, Allah knows best, but it was wrong.
It was wrong. So it is resonating with many, many people. But that's
the problem. Why, why? Why does that have to happen that way? Now,
once I've, I've mentioned this, there is a way to deal with
grievances. And there are many ways to deal with grievances. The
problem is that the very people that have the greatest of these
grievances, and are willing to go to such levels, they're the same
kind of people that reject voting.
That reject voting, they think it's haram, they think it's good
for to vote.
That is one way to make a difference. The one thing that we
have to be satisfied about with this country and thank Allah
subhanaw taala for because if you don't think Allah, Allah subhanho
wa Taala is not going to give us any increase in enhancement in
that it will take the Nerima away from us. Maulana Tariq Jamil. He
mentioned over and over again, I've heard his lectures he says
that a country can run on cover and shake. Allah will allow that
country that ruling system to continue even uncovering shake,
but he won't allow it to run on volume and oppression.
Wherever there has been golden oppression, the downfall has come.
We're not trying to say that cover and shoot is better than boom.
They're both bad. But this is just the way of Allah subhanaw taala in
this world that you can see from observation, where there is
oppression and the idol and the justice that is supposed to be
given to people is out it's gone, then that's when that signals the
demise of the ruling system. But Cofer and Schilke doesn't. It
hasn't. There's been covering ship throughout the entire history of
the world, except the few times when Adam Alayhis Salam you know
that the few few few times. So we have to be thankful that at least
in this country, we've got this the foreign policy
Definitely stinks. But why do you want to mess up the domestic
policy? What you're going to get out of it, there are ways to get
into, into trying to change people's ideas. And if you don't
want to get become part of that same political system that is
legitimate, that is legal to do in the situation that we have, mark
my words in the situation that we have. And you don't want to take
part in that you don't even want to vote. Nevermind trying to
become an MP and trying to convince people and persuade
people and lobbying, lobbying people and make a lobby group. No,
you just want to do it differently. That doesn't work
like that. This is a mentality I've discussed with people of
this. They they park on a double yellow, and you tell him you can't
buy he says I don't, I don't. I don't follow the laws of the land.
And I had to sit and explain to him that by you parking outside
our Masjid on the double yellow. They want, they want to make this
street into a read route. And we don't want that to happen, because
it will make it extremely difficult for everybody that comes
to Sadat and prayer. And for the parents that come to drop their
children off for Masjid by you puking on a double yellow line
because you don't care for the rules of this, the laws of this
land, how is it going to benefit anybody, you're just enjoying
yourself? You just doing it for selfish reasons, because you don't
have to walk that much extra. This is the mindset we're dealing with.
It's just magnified on a higher level. It's a lot of rage, that is
being misdirected
that is being mis directed at us that they are linked issues, but
they totally separate. Who gives permission to go and kill a person
on the streets.
Imagine the effects of that. Imagine the harms of that. It's
haram, it's not permissible anyway, to start with,
to kill a random man on the street. Imagine if people turned
around and started going after our women, Muslim women just because
it was done in the name of Islam. And Allahu Akbar was taken at that
place.
What's that going to do for us? How has it benefited the Muslim?
How will it benefit the Muslims? How far have you gotten to? Where
did you get to? You've been shot?
Where does that get you?
These things have to be understood that we condemned the acts
clearly. Because they are wrong. It's not the way to go about these
things. And it's this mindset that has to change. Now, the other
thing is, the media is playing a double role in this case. One is
you've got the perpetrators who start this off in this country.
Obviously they're saying it starts off because of foreign policy. But
then you've got the media that takes it and makes it a bigger
deal. Why is it that it becomes a Muslim? Because it's a Muslim
becomes terrorist just because they shouted Allahu Akbar. Yet
there was another knife crimes Hackney, are we We're not alien to
that we have the murder mile here. Where's all of the analysis?
Where's all of the big discussion? Where's all of the hype? About why
it's happening? The youth that are doing this from the different
backgrounds? Let's look at what's going on. Where's all of the big
deal about that? What about our Muslim old man 70 something years
old in Birmingham that just passed that was killed murdered, again
knifed just a few weeks ago. Why isn't there a big deal about that?
And this is a big deal. This is a big deal. But why isn't both of
these things a big deal? That's why what what the problem with us
Muslims is today is that we're sitting down doing nothing about
it.
We're not dealing with people who have these issues. Well, the
problem is that when I think we are dealing with it, I think we
are dealing with this Alhamdulillah after seven seven,
we haven't had a bigger problem. This was a very simple, kind of
really, it seems like a very ad hoc kind of thing that happened.
But alhamdulillah we've been able to deal with this when the media
keeps saying the Muslims need to and certain individuals I keep
saying the Muslims need to rain people in the need to rain people.
What do you think we are? You think we have like a spy agency of
every Muslim in this country? And we know what they're doing. So we
have to say hey, go get that guy and stop him before he does
anything. Every Imam has a certain responsibility the Muslims have a
certain responsibility over their local area. We're doing our best
Alhamdulillah you're not seeing 1000s of these things happening
around. So why is it that we always have to respond to this and
waste our time and upset our business? That's why I said this
is a very difficult discussion I hate when these things happen
because they're not beneficial to us. It starts off by this rage and
then immediate jump on it and make it worse. If you if you look for
the word terrorism in the last five years, you will see it it's
always associated with with Muslims. It's never associated
with anybody else that does anything even though the crime in
itself will be worse. How many stabbings take place in England
every year? Yeah, I know these guys were silly enough to stand
around and you know I mean, it's just ridiculous hola hola. Quoted
May Allah guide us May Allah guide everybody. But this is not the way
to vent. Now one thing you have to realize just to put a an
An understanding and analysis of why these things happen.
The reality behind this phenomenon is
the same old human frailty. Why somebody will justify their
actions that are absolutely wrong by the majority consensus of the
Muslims. How they can justify that, using religion. This is
something that has dogged mankind for for centuries, every religion
has it.
Humans under pressure, have a habit of concealing base urges,
and dark motives behind religiosity. Because this is a
very good justification to give. Or any outward display of piety.
For example, when a mother tells his son, if a mother tells his
son, that he can hit the school bully back, you know, the kid is
getting bullied. And the month that mom tells her, tells his kid
tells the kid that you know what hit him back. So now what this guy
goes and does is the son goes on obediently gorgeous his eyes out
and breaks his legs, because his mom told him that you can hit him
back. So he takes it in the selfish way, and just goes the
whole nine yards. How can you say that's justified? Well, let's just
say a business owner, sends out one of his workers to go and buy a
dozen light bulbs. So what he does, he goes and does exactly
that. He goes to the hardware store, he goes and buys that many
bulbs of inferior quality, doesn't have the best interests in mind
buys, the inferior quality says that it cost the amount of money
that he was given in pockets the rest. That's just justification.
This is exactly what's happening with these people. This is what
they're doing. They're justifying in the name of some things. How
can you blame blame a religion? How can you blame this mother? You
know, a mother cannot talk about all eventualities. Similarly,
Islam is pure orders are in the hands of novices and certain
political groups, and certain people with a lot of emotion and
rage, but not the proper understanding of how to deal with
it, it will become open to abuse, just like any other religion, you
will become open to abuse. These people are generally driven by
rage, hatred and frustration, rather than by Islam, rather than
by Islam. Because if Islam was the driving force behind this, our
entire history would have been dogged by this. Our last 100
years, you would have seen so many suicide bombings, you would have
seen that Muslims just would not have been able to live anywhere,
because they would have been committing all of these things.
But that is not the case. This is a rage. That is very recent. And
of course it has its basis in something. But it's unjustified to
express that rage in this way. And to take it to this extent, it's
absolutely unjustified. That's why it's extremely difficult for the
Muslims to neutralize this completely. Because it's people. I
know that one of the Mufti Rafi of money. When he was asked about
this in Pakistan, he said that such people who do this won't ever
even listen to us. They don't even think that we are sheiks that we
are even authorities, they think we're sold out. They think we're
dunya we were worldly, and we have no care for an even understanding
of the really the real rights. So how are we supposed to do this, so
people need to understand this. However,
the action points, which is very important for us, at the end of
the day, for all Muslims, this is a wake up call. And we need to
think about how to deal with these issues, mainly in terms of how to
get the media to stop making such a sensation about it, to help the
politicians and encourage them to understand this correctly. And
this can only be happening only happen through lobbying through
becoming unfortunately part of the system as much as you hate it and
despise it. The system is not perfect, but it's the way to go.
There is some level of justice, and there have been benefits for
the Muslim community, by Muslims lobbying for certain things,
otherwise, you would have been well worse off. I believe me, we
are better off than even in America, we are better off than in
many other countries in Western countries. Because Alhamdulillah
the Muslims, number one, they are religious, they are praying. And
number two, they do take some parts in it. Whereas other people
even probably even more sleeping politics on his own is not going
to work. pray to Allah subhanho wa Taala is extremely important. But
you need to use the ways of the world to deal with this,
especially if you've agreed to live in this country and decided
to settle here. And remember, unless we change ourselves and
deal with this on our own, we can expect the politicians, the media,
the consultants that they call the the even the so called Muslims
that they always call even though they blame them for being behind
such people who committed such an act, that they are the instigators
and the inspires, and yet they still will call them to give them
a voice. So what is this? Why call such people to give them a voice?
call some people from the mainstream Muslims that represent
The majority of the Muslims in the country call only them. Why do you
want the other voice to be heard? You're just playing into the
hands. We have to take a collective duty we have to make it
a collective duty to explain what Islam is really, to everybody to
anybody and everybody to your neighbors to your co workers. We
don't do this. We don't even know how to give Dawa.
Not only thing we don't even know how to give Dawa. We don't know
even how to start the discussion with a non Muslim, which is really
a sad fact I talk about myself, I find it difficult.
And I'm sure most people do to just start a discussion. We'd
rather be like, Okay, you stay on your Cooper lecan Dino camellia
Dean, I will stay on my email and you stay on Yoko for that's not
going to help us.
May Allah subhanaw taala give us the Tofik. And again, I finally
say again, that we totally condemned these attacks. There is
no there's no no two ways about it. And do not conflate what I
have said to mean that I would justify the attacks. But we have
to say that the people in the in policymaking really need to
understand that there is deep roots to this.
Right? The consequences are not justified. But there are deep
roots to this and you have to start looking at the picture of
reality. May Allah may Allah subhanaw taala give us the trophy
to be good dairies, good representatives of the faith. And
may Allah subhanaw taala allow us to wake up this time and to and to
really do the right thing. And to really show the beauty of our
Islam working with our non Al hamdu Lillahi Rabbil Alameen