Abdur Rahman ibn Yusuf Mangera – Virtual Prayer Congregations for Tarawih and Jumu’a During COVID19
AI: Summary ©
The speakers discuss the issue of virtualgramming during a rally and the importance of finding the same person as long as they are in the same place. They suggest being aware of the consequences of using the system and not being confused by people who are praying. The misunderstood Frenchman statement about McCann's prayer at a church is also discussed.
AI: Summary ©
Bismillah Al Rahman Rahim Al hamdu Lillahi Rabbil Alameen wa salatu
wa salam O Allah so even more sitting while he was Safi ash
Marnie and my beret. Mashallah, in this unprecedented times, there's
obviously people have to think in different ways. So as Ramadan is
literally around the corner, lots of people have been asking I got a
question. Just last week about this subject as well is people are
now getting worried that since Ramadan is around the corner
messages are still not open for congregational prayers. So what
are they going to do? taraweeh? I mean, they've done therapy all
their life, when it comes to Ramadan, they do not miss it,
Ravi. So what do we do now? So just in the recent days, you know,
you've people are trying to think maybe even outside the box. And
while it's okay to think outside the box and be creative about how
to resolve the matter and provide a solution, that's completely
understandable. But then one needs to remain within kind of the
boundaries. So now, there's this idea that's now floated around. In
fact, some people have maybe even given a decree about it. Different
parts of the world, maybe in some places, very few though, that you
can actually do Joomla and tarawih, virtually, because they
think that
taraweeh is such an important prayer that people are not going
to feel like it's Ramadan. People are not going to feel like it's
Ramadan. If they don't come to the masjid and do thorough research,
at least if they join in the taraweeh from home, then they're
going to feel like it's something. Now I just want to quickly after
having done a bit of research about this, about whether a
virtual taraweeh from away from a date in a different location
following MK macabre Madina, Munawwara or your local masjid or
some other Masjid virtually is that allowed and actually praying
behind them. So, as far as I understand, and I haven't done a
full research of all the motherhood on this, but at least
as I understand outside of the Hanafi school, humbly in Shafi is
as far as I understand, that doesn't seem to be allowed from a
totally different place in the Hanafi. School. It's also not
allowed at all, according to the overwhelming majority of Hanafi
scholars, right take any name. However, there is a view which
some people are invoking today by a great Hanafi scholar slightly
later than others Imam should on boulardii Imam shouldn't
boulardii. And when it comes to the discussion about people
joining in a congregation, this is a bit technical, basically what
the majority of all I must say is that you need two conditions for
you to be able to be included in a congregation, and for you to be
able to be considered following the Imam. Number one is that there
should be no confusion about what the Imam is doing. So you must be
able to either see or hear what the Imam is doing. So even if
you're in another room of the masjid, or you're in the bottom
floor of the masjid, and the Imam is on the top floor or otherwise,
at night, as long as you can hear what's going on, you can see what
people are doing. Or you can see some people who are praying, you
can see what they're doing. That's fine. And the second condition,
which is very important, is that you need to be considered to be in
the same place considered to be in the same place. What happens when
people overflow the Masjid. Right now you're obviously outside on
the street, there's rows continuing from the back of the
masjid, onto the street outside onto the street, you've seen that
in some places, it happens, those people consider to be in the same
place or not. So genuinely know, that's another place outside on
the street or in another adjoining building connected with rows,
that's considered another building another place. So how is that
connected? And how is that condition going to be fulfilled.
So what they say is that as long as the rows, the rows of people
praying with at least minimally, two or three people for each row,
are extending to wherever it is, then that place would be
technically considered to be connected, even though it's
another room or even another building. As long as there's an
entire series of rows all the way until there, that still means that
technically, we're going to consider it to be in the same
place. Now, pretty much the majority, overwhelming majority of
Hanafi jurists, they agree that this is the case that you need
both either militia, which means that there's no confusion as to
what the Imam is doing. Because I mean, why would you follow
somebody you don't know what they're doing? And number two,
they should be FEMA kerning warhead, they should be in the
same place where the hockey curtain in reality, it's one place
like this big hole, or one room, or they are in two places, which
is considered to be one place because of a connection with rows.
They've been linked with rows of people praying. Right? So there's
one scholar shouldn't billary in this discussion, in he's the only
one it seems in this discussion. He seems to say that the only
condition and this is where the confusion is coming from the only
condition is actually that you can see or hear the Imam and there's
going to be no confusion in that regard, even if you're even if the
place is not considered the same. So he seems to be indicating that
even if you're in another place, and not physically
or technically together, then that means you can still follow the
Imam.
And this is what some may have been looking at to try to justify
the fact that actually there is one person who I know for sure has
used this one, one scholar in another country who has actually
used this particular scholars opinion, this particular jurist
opinion to say that it's okay. But then he says that as long as you
are, your home is behind the masjid otherwise, you'd be in
front of the Imam and that would not be valid anyway. Right. But
the overwhelming majority will reject this. This is an extremely
weak opinion. Right? And this is a really weak opinion. And number
two, I think it's a misunderstood opinion. The reason is that when
it's talking about masjid and the Imam and the follower following
him, I'm sure somebody who they've quoted who seems to only have this
one condition, he says the other one is not a condition. But you
have to remember, you have to contextualize this Imam Shambala.
He lived a few 100 years ago, I think in the 11th or 12th 11th
century or 10th century, and never would have even imagined that you
could do what you can do today in terms of a virtual prayer from
another city, another town, or two miles down the road. Right? That
that was just impossible, inconceivable. So what he was
dealing with at that time, and I'll prove this, what he was
dealing with at that time, was that maybe the masjid was
overflowed? So are you allowed to pray, for example, from the next
building? And if they could see or hear from that building? Or maybe
in his time, there wasn't even a microphone, there was a mocha bear
system, there will be just people or interval saying repeating.
Right? So for him, it was going to be physical regardless, you know,
you're going to be in some close by vicinity. That's my
understanding. The reason why I say that, right. And that's an
interpretation is because when he talks about following In another
case, he stipulates now it's not here, but he says it in another
place. He stipulates that you both the Imam and the followers must be
in a same in the same place. And he considers McCann, the makan to
be the same a condition and I'll read those out to you. Now this is
obviously for the Obama, right who are dealing with this issue. It's
actually for them if you're confused. I apologize if it
confuses the rest of you, but this is what he says. This is from his
Harsha Tato is harsh here on the Moroccan fella. So it's actually
from Baraka, which is the book of Imam Sharon volare famous book on
his noodle Eva,
page 293. He says where you started?
I'm going to read it with the data where you started, and Lyor Cohen
Imamura Kebun will move to the Raj Elan Oh, Bill called our Rocky
Mount the button rejada But email me he Lila Phil makan. Li de la
fille makan were either Canada but the Imam is Sahil Ikeda the hurdle
makan. He emphasizes the point of being in the same place, right?
What he's essentially saying that it is necessary that if both
you're you're traveling or whatever, and you need to be
writing when praying like Knuffle prayer, and you want to actually
make somebody your Imam you're not allowed to do it. If you're if the
guy who's going to be leading the prayer is on another animal that
even though you're the animals next to you like in front of you,
you're on one horse he's on another horse, you would not be
able to follow them as HMR because it says it's not at the hurdle
McCann is not considered to be technically the same location even
though you are literally within a few meters apart. He says yes in
Cana Allah but email me if you are on your Imams animal, so you're
sitting behind him, then that's fine. Then you can follow him in
another prayer for example, again, he says the same thing in another
place. He says in the law, your social equity that this is page
556 of the same hashing data Viola Moroccan further, is Elias el
equipo de la fille makan McCann, the acted the following is not
valid because of the separation of place in the year coonara defently
Imam he unless he happens to be writing behind the Imam. So there
he makes a big deal about it. That's why Imam Shami one of our
greatest of the latest Hanafi scholars in his, in his Rodell
matar, he says a Kulu WERE YOU ARE YOU WHO UNASUR number, Assurant?
Bhullar enough so sobre Havel indelible Elias aqidah Orajel, the
rocky will actually. So he takes that and he, he makes people try.
He's trying to make people understand that this opinion of
his is actually misunderstood, I think. Right, because he doesn't
mention that condition there. People think it's not his
condition. But remember, his context was, it's inconceivable to
have a Wi Fi idea in his time. All right. So he was talking about
some were very close by but then even if no I've been in clarifies
that the idea that even Imam Shambala agrees that you must be
in the same physical location close by
It is that emotional umbrella he himself has explicitly stated in
his endured which is another book of his that it is not valid to
have a person riding a horse know a person standing on the ground,
praying on the ground follow an imam on a horse. Sorry, I mean the
mom on a an animal writings mounted or the opposite the Imam
is on on the ground standing and the book that is writing the
follower is writing that would not be allowed, and neither one rider
of an animal have another rider on another animal. Li de la fille
McCann, that's the that's the main point because the place is
separated. This is these people are in different places. Unless
and then he says Illa Illa counterargument Debicki mommy
unless he's writing the same animal as his Imam. And then he
mentioned whatever the Kuru whom in Andaman Sadako will headed for
stuff along with the metoda Yalitza who will out Illa
McCarney, you lay a team no matter how leave at the end kind of in
home. I am not elected their life that it will McCann even in the
case of somebody breaks they will do they have to go renew, they
come back, they they carry on, they have to actually come back to
that place. Because you have to be in the same place as with your
Imam you don't just kind of finish off somewhere else. Right that
you've gone to do without you just finish off down the you don't do
that. You have to come back here to be in the same place as your
Imam. This Imam Shula is saying this, who people are basically
misunderstanding that he doesn't believe that McCann now once his
opinion is corrected, that opinion has no weight in the Hanafi
school.