Abdur Rahman ibn Yusuf Mangera – Spiritual Impact of the Indian Subcontinent on the World
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I won't embarrass Mufti of the Raman too much by going into his
bio you will have his bio. I will simply say that he's someone I've
known for several years, who's really mashallah very well
accomplished in different arenas, as a Mufti in his own tradition,
but also as an academic with a doctorate from Soros and Islamic
Studies. And somebody who mashallah takes a very wide angle,
kind of lens on certain issues
and just thoroughly enjoyable human being.
Today, we're going to listen to him for about 2025 minutes,
at which point we'll open up the floor for questions inshallah.
Bismillah.
Bismillah al Rahman al Rahim Al Hamdulillah. Al Hamdulillah Hamden
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So respected attendees Alhamdulillah, we are coming to a
close on this. My talk today is
more about the effect of the Indian subcontinent and the
devotional practices of the subcontinent pretty much
throughout the world.
And the reason I say this is because I share this like both as
a I don't know if I can actually call myself an insider. I'm
definitely an outsider, I have an overseas citizenship of India. So
seeing how devotional practice in India pretty much effected
nearly all the countries in the West. So I think that's what my
paper is going to be about. And I've actually chosen somebody very
specific.
If I'm going to start this paper, if I started with a question that
which Indian personality, religious personality comes to
your mind as being the most influential on the devotion
practices of the subcontinent,
a number of personalities could come to mind we had a discussion
about Sheikh Maureen within Chishti, Rahima, hula earlier. And
there's a number of others that will come to mind as well.
So today, the person I want to speak about is somebody that very
few scholars from the Indian subcontinent and Beyond Today, who
have probably not in some way or the other benefited from the
heritage of that person's heritage, and that Sheikh Ahmed
said Hindi Sheikh Ahmed said Hindi known by a number of other names,
his story goes back centuries, he didn't just appear in a vacuum.
There was a lot done in the subcontinent for Sheikh Imam Ahmed
said Hindi to have flourished the way he did, and then to do the
work that he did. And then to be given the title as revival of the
second millennium. So I just want to discuss some of that, in this
paper. So
Sheikh Mohammed said Hindi is born in 971.
died in 1034 Hijiri. So that's just
the end and beginning of the Islamic second millennium.
Just to put in perspective, from a Gregorian perspective, that's
1624 1515 64 to 1624.
Historic goes back centuries, it didn't just start that's 400 years
ago, when he lived it didn't just start then, in 971, of the hijra,
he actually starts with the spread of Islam in the Indian
subcontinent, from by Muslims from Arabia, Mohammed bin Qasim in
Sindh and then in other places of the rest of the subcontinent.
And I would probably assume that number of us sitting here today
would probably take pride in referring in referring to
themselves as Siddiqui. Right and you said Dickies here
No. CDkeys Okay. Osmani
right, you've got a claim to sit down. Sit being Siddiqui Farooqi,
Osmani Allawi and then of course we definitely have some science
here and
Masha Allah Muhammad McNeese say it.
So they, obviously they all trace their ancestry to some of the
greatest forebears of Islam that go beyond the Indian subcontinent.
However we, I mean, I have to add this, we can't guarantee that all
such attributions can be reliably traced.
For as with anything that is valuable, there's always going to
be fakes that appear. Right. So among the descendants of these of
monies and CDkeys and others that came into the subcontinent, there
was a family that ended up in Punjab.
Now, I know we've got a few Punjabis here and I really want to
highlight this point, because this is really amazing, right? I wish
there were more Punjabis here so that they could really have to be
from Punjab. Yeah, and Zhi Shan, Punjabi, mashallah, right. So,
now, and now Punjab is actually divided between India and
Pakistan, but the area that I speak about is actually on the
Indian side, which is called Set Hindi I've had the mashallah the
honor to have visited
many of these and surrounding areas had large Muslim populations
before 1946. But unfortunately, after the problems, you know, many
of them are migrated to Pakistan and beyond. There's always a
silver lining to everything. And mashallah, we have a huge
population of Punjabis in the UK.
So,
I want to speak about three events now. And then we're going to tie
those three events together. The first event is that insert hint
settled the family of the Farooqi line. So out of these four or five
famous families, a Farooqi line descendants of Omar Alfaro. Camila
Momineen Radi Allahu anhu, Ahmed, Hatha already Allah one settled
there, one of the scholars of this, one of the scholars.
His his son's name was Ahmed. He was the one who eventually become
Sheikh Ahmed said Hindi but how does he do that? So much before
this time, we have to start some centuries before that in
Uzbekistan, which is not too far away. Right? It's just a variety
Stein and then there's Uzbekistan just beyond the Oxus River in the
lands of Bahara. Some are contained with Howard is him
Shush, Tashkent, Nassif, etc, is a scholar from Bahara in particular,
but how the next man died in 1389 Hijiri. It worked very hard to
establish an order actually not 13 at 18 to 1389 Gregorian worked
very hard to establish an order of spirituality to connect people to
Allah Most High. This order eventually became known as the
Naqshbandi Order.
He had many students and disciples whose spread around and inspired
many of the subsequent generations. One of the spiritual
descendants further down the line was a hydra called Hydra Mohammed
M Kennedy. He died he died in 1600. Gregorian Hydra Mohammed M
Kennedy
now in the time of this Hotjar Mohammed I'm kind of getting
around this just before the 1600s There's a third individual now he
leaves cobble Cobble is next door in in Afghanistan today
and he's looking for spiritual purification enlightenment
fulfillment, his name is Raja Deen Mohammed bulky
eventually becomes known as Kasia bulky biller.
Now he wanted he seeking to develop closeness with Allah
subhanho wa taala. So he goes to one Hong Kong one spiritual lodge
to another until he eventually ends up over the border. I don't
know if there was a beautiful Hora son maybe at that time not sure
into Uzbekistan and
che called Akbar ignore Arabi Rahim Allah had just departed
before this and Rosario Rahim Allah departed before that and
Masha Allah, they were spiritual lodges everywhere people were
interested in the South. However, there's also a lot of corruption
that had crept into the field of the soul the soul has as it
happens to everything. If things aren't managed properly over time,
due to exaggerations, misunderstandings of certain Sufi
concepts, a level of laxity in fact, it even crept in to certain
Sufi groups. And there's also discussion of some who even
started treating the soul orphan Sufism as a totally separate
religion altogether.
And therefore, they thought it was okay to neglect some of the
fundamental practices of Islam like solid and so on as long as
you're a Sufi. Now this going back to Hajah bulky biller is moving
from Hong Kong to Hong Kong. And suddenly he ends up in the
spiritual retreat of this codger M. Kennedy, that I just spoke
about in Uzbekistan.
He stays with him and he finds fulfillment down there. And this
codger um, kind of gives him the Khilafah right He bestows him with
the mantle of Khilafah and authorizes him to teach others to
solve while Hydra Bucky biller.
Is there he sees a dream in which he sees a parrot there has to be a
dream somewhere in this, okay? This pet dreams, mashallah very
important. He sees a parrot. Now what's significant about a parrot
in those days I don't think anymore. But in those days parents
were seen as a Hindustani an Indian bird, right? I'm still not
worked out why? Because I don't think that's where they started.
But they were seen as Indian birds.
And this dream was interpreted that
Hajah Bucky Bella had to go to the subcontinent and the CHE Hodge
about bill that I mean, he was reluctant to go he was a very low,
low key figure, very humble person, probably an introvert, but
he was instructed by his Sheikh to go to India, and he was said, he
was told that when you go to India, you will find a man there
to whom you will have to pass on your teachings, you will have to
pass on your teachings, that man, in turn is going to become
instrumental in the preservation and the preservation of the
religion in India, and the defense of it a major defense of the
religion, India and you're going to be the means towards that. So
reluctantly, he traveled to India and he settled in a masjid in
Delhi. I've been to this Masjid I think is buried behind. And at
that time, Delhi was one of the great cities of the world. I mean,
I'm not sure if it still is or not. But at that time, it was
definitely one of the great cities of Delhi, I'll leave the rest to
you to decide about today. And very soon people were drawn
towards him, as every sincere friend and lover of Allah, they
become like magnets. And many, many people flocked to him. And he
found benefit in his discourses in his company. And the reason for
that is simply a hadith tells us a Prophetic narration tells us that
when Allah subhanaw taala loves somebody he calls Gibreel Ali
salaam, and he says, I love such and such a person so you should
love him too. And God salaam then pretty much just spreads this
information among the other angels. And then the angels come
on to the earth and that message becomes spread subliminally or
whatever the wavelength it's on through the human beings and
people. There's an acceptance for you that will the whole caboodle
fill out an acceptance is placed for them in their hearts. Now,
let's go back to Sir when we were in Delhi now, Allahu Akbar. And we
go back to Sir hint, he will Imam Muhammad, Sheikh Mohammed said
Hindi he was on his way for Hajj and he'd heard about this hijab
acapella and he decided to visit him. Now Sheikh Ahmed had already
studied the solo founder his father, he was a great Arlynn
already proficient scholar of the Sharia, well grounded in both
theology, jurisprudence and you know, all the various different
sciences. He arrived in in Delhi, and he went to meet her
Jabberwocky biller and ended up staying with him for a few months.
And then he visits him once or twice more thereafter. On that
last visit Hyderabad Kybella. I mean, maybe before this culture,
Bucky biller realizes that this is the man from India that he has
been told to
pass his transmission on to. So in his last visit, he says to all of
his students, that from now on, you're going to take your
knowledge from Sheikh Mohammed, and eventually Hydra Bakula passes
away. Sheikh Mohammed doesn't stay in Delhi. He goes back to set hint
and he continues his work and he becomes very, very well known.
Now, at this time, there's a major problem that has gripped the
subcontinent. Now you have to remember subcon has been very
powerful from before. If you look in the ages in Arabia, the
subcontinent people have had a major influence there from
centuries before in terms of lodges and a number of things. In
fact, the Hajj camps of the Indians was probably the closest
before I think now they've kind of shifted them. But they had a lot
of influence there. Right? And in many other places, because they
were traders and other things in Malaysia in lots of other places.
Now, at this time, it's the third mogul emperor, the third third
mogul ruler, was
a Kabara. Son of Houma Yun, grandson of barber.
He originally says he started his life as a
righteous kind of person. He had a lot of respect for Obama at the
beginning as well. And it looks like because there was some chaos
during his young age, he did not he didn't learn to read and write
maybe. So that's why he was very impressionable. And there were a
number of corrupt people giving him misleading advice. If we want
to believe in blaming on advisors. Hindustan has probably always been
a majority Hindu country, right? Even though we have 200 million
Muslims there right now is still a majority Hindu country. And Akbar
became obsessed with the idea to unite all the religions in one and
I mean, that's something every Indian will know about every
Indian Muslim will know about. So he enacted a number of laws in
this regard. For instance, the slaughters of slaughtering of cows
was forbidden at that time and
He called this religion Dena Elahi or the Akbari religion dean at UC
Berkeley, various names are given. He imposed a number of other
strange practices. For instance, anybody who visited him had to do
what they call a search the total volume of data of me, right, a
frustration of reverence. And he even found scholars to justify it,
saying that it's not shirk as long as they're not doing it for a
bother and worship purposes.
There were a look, there were a number of scholars at that time
who spoke out against this, but this was going to have major
impact because the people of subcontinent if we look at it, in
hindsight, I don't know if they would have understood this, then
we're seeing how significant this point was going to be. Because
right now we have the subcontinent people in
multitude of countries and imagine if this particular religion was
allowed to have continued. So what we have to understand is that the
Sunnah of Allah is never to neglect the Muslim community. The
Muslim world has faced many ups and downs, highs and lows ebbs and
flows, peaks and valleys, waxing and waning fluctuations and good
and bad times. But Allah subhanaw taala has always revived the
Muslims, as has been shown wonderfully by Sheikh Sheikh
Hasina in his saviors of Islamic territory without limit, which I
think this time people should really read. Right? It's really
gives you a lot of gives you a lot of inspiration. Eventually, Akbar
died after having instituted all of these so called reforms of his
and then Jahangir became his son Jiang, he became this next ruler
of India. He was a much nicer man in the sense not as ideologically
stubborn, or driven as his father. He was more interested in probably
the luxuries of life, right? I mean, we are talking about people
of the past, we learned this from the historians. Now what it is, is
that if there's a person who's an ideologue against Islam, it's much
more difficult to convince them because they have an ideology.
Anybody who is not an ideologue, is just more interested in
enjoyment and so on. They still have a heart and you can get to
their heart and it's easier to influence such people. Sheikh
Ahmed, sir Hindi, eventually has a meeting with Jahangir and some
meetings.
What happens is, his fame continues to grow and people
around Jahangir, tell him that you better be warned about this man
because he could be your destruction, it could be a
problem for you. So Joe Hungee reckon that Imams or Hindi had was
a threat, so imprisoned him for about a year for Sheikh Mohammed
mashallah person of Allah he made that his hand call the prison
became his spiritual Lodge, and many of the prisoners became
religious, religious and recanted their own ways. Jiang eventually
regretted what he had done. It took him out of prison, but then
he put him in kind of a house arrest that he had to stay with
him. You're like my personal advisor, and
he became really, really drawn to him such that way. Eventually,
when Imam Sheikh Muhammad passed away. Jiang even thought that he
was his Khalifa, his other Haulover had to actually say, no,
no, no, you are very close to him, but you are not his Khalifa.
He managed to get a junkie to reverse a lot of the corrupt laws
that his father had enacted. So the finally the ban on cow
slaughter was lifted, and many religious prisoners were freed.
Now, just to hurry up now, after the death of Sheikh Ahmed, his son
hijama. Assume he took over he continued his father's work with
working with this royal family with the moguls after him, his son
hajus sayfudine, who died in 1096. He worked on the family because it
was very important that this family be kept secure because they
were very powerful at the time. And the moguls were powerful until
eventually Aurangzeb after which they started to decline. And then
there was a decline afterwards. The moguls have left an indelible
indelible mark on the subcontinent. And I would say
beyond, through, you know, the people who've moved to the other
other places, you could probably say that orang Zia, who probably
became one of the most arguably maybe one of the greatest and more
powerful, most powerful of the rulers.
Unfortunately, after that, they began to wane. I mean, I see a
parallel between him and Sheikh Abdul Hamid or Sultan Abdulhamid
of the Ottoman Empire, the last of the great rulers of the Ottomans.
And then after that, things just totally descended into, you know,
towards basically eventually a destruction of the whole state.
Now, Sheikh Mohammed said Hindi is referred to by many names. One is
Imam Rabbani, then and the other one more famous is Majid Al Thani
Reviver of the second millennium. There's many people throughout
history who have been noted for being revivals of each, each
century, 100 years as the Hadith and Sunnah Abu Tao tells us that
they will be such a person. But something unique about Sheikh
Mohammed is that he's considered the revival of the second
millennium. Now there are people who've who've questioned this
title that is he really, a reviver I mean, a at least a
revival of the second millennium or not? Now, I would probably say
that because the subcontinent has always held a very important
position, and more so in the last 100 200 years, it's been
influential people of the subcontinent has have been
influential in many parts of the Muslim world pages, the Malay
Archipelago. And in more recent times, many countries of Africa
I've traveled to at least six, five or six countries of Africa,
and mashallah, there's a presence of Indians, Pakistani,
Bangladeshi, is there primarily Indians. And then pretty much the
most of the western world, America, Australia, New Zealand,
the UK and many parts of Europe, right. And they're doing some
solid work. I mean, this is all an effect of this. So the scene would
have been very different if the Dena Ilahi had been allowed to
prosper and had not been reined in. And we can say was, Sheikh
Ahmed said Hindi is work and efforts that manage to put this
down another area, a few more areas, another area, Sheikh
Mohammed plays a very pivotal role is removing a lot of the
corruptions that had entered and plague Sufism over time. Right.
One of them was the concert, what they would do now, nothing
necessarily wrong with what had to do with and I don't want to get
into that. But at that time, it says that maybe 90% of the Sufis
of the world, were proponents of why the tool would shoot and some
in a very extreme way, to such a degree that they left praying
solid, because why the * would you somehow justified for them,
that being one in which Allah didn't need you to do any other
worship, and so on. Now, there were many people who wrote against
and spoke against the concept that this extreme idea that had come
up, but they wouldn't be listened to, they would just be passed off
as people of the hill, people of the apparent that's why what you
needed is you needed a proficient Sufi master. Right? Who, you know,
couldn't be sidelined, who couldn't be dismissed. And that's
that is where Sheikh Mohammed sir Hindi comes in. He repudiated this
concept, put forward a modified version, which he turned to I had
to shoot arguing to be the more sound the one less problematic
one.
Sheikh Mohammed said Hindi has written a number of works, I can't
go into all of that many of them actually pistols and letters, the
MK to bat and SubhanAllah. If you go to, for example, Turkey today,
and you are if you're a teacher of the MK to bat in Turkey, right,
the whole of Turkey, then you are just like the teacher of Sahil
Buhari is revered, right, you get that kind of reverence. It could
also be argued that the religiosity in Turkey, right,
especially since the 6070, or secularization program, that
initiated that was initiated after the 1924, the breaking down of the
Ottoman Empire, where people were done was banned in Arabic, and
they had to do it in Turkish and so on so forth.
He's had a massive impact that in fact checks. But he was the man
side notice he died in 1960. He's had a massive impact. And it could
be said that Sheikh Sheikh, but he was a monster. Ignosi has a
massive influence of Sheikh Mohammed said Hindi.
If you go back to the subcontinent, and it's not just
there, it's in Iraq. I lose the sheikh Khalid Necromunda, who came
and became a student of one of the grand descendants of Sheikh
Mohammed said Hindi and then he went and he spread this Naqshbandi
in Syria, Imam ignore Abilene, the famous theologian, famous
jurisprudence jurist, he was of that Tariq, Imam Lucia and a
number of others.
Now, going back to the subcontinent shall when you learn
his sons and their whole enterprise may have not been
possible, had it not been for the devotional work and foundations
laid down by Sheikh Mohammed said in the earlier right,
then if it were not for the show, will you love family, then they
may have not been a Sheikh Mohammed Sheikh Ahmed Shaheed and
his movement and his reform movement and had it not been for
Sheikh Ahmed Shaheed, that may have not been a * Abdullah
followed by the likes of Sheikh Kasim nanotube Rashid Ahmed Ganga
Hakimullah Manasa utami Muhammad Ilyas condyle, and thus they may
have not been adopted on duben, notably eg Ahmad and many other
many other movements. So the reform movements didn't just start
in Durban in 1867. It started well before that you can trace it all
the way up to Sheikh Ahmed sir Hindi and before that, why you
didn't GST and above and above and above, all the way obviously to
the Prophet sallallahu sallam. So Sheikh Ahmed said Hindi is
responsible number of other things like reviving the next 2030 from
17 lessons to 35 lessons and and so on. Now, just just to finish
off in the two minutes, how far has this reached and where has
this gone? I say Sheikh Hamza would never have had this in his
mind of where in 400 years, his his teaching could have reached
him.
Today the teachings inspired by Sheikh Ahmed sir Hindi and others
obviously are found in most of the western Western world. In Europe,
Americas Africa, Australia, Asia, for example, in Indonesia, a large
mother Saudi with 12,000 students, in a place called Tembo teaches
the Naqshbandi Majidi path that was inspired by Sheikh Mohammed
sir Hindi. Likewise, what a small place in Punjab calls that hint in
India, right? Have you ever heard of certain? Yeah, okay, has
produced waves of piety, not only around the subcontinent, but also
beyond in places to where its inhabitants migrated and set up
seminaries, such as Barry, UK, buffalo, USA, and also two lands
from where individuals came to the subcontinent to drink from its
fountains of religious devotion and divine knowledge. So
that's a short excursion.
May May the legacy, the legacy of devotion of the subcontinent
continue on as we move on, we have many more countries to get to. And
may it continue. Welcome to dharana Al hamdu, lillahi rabbil
adic.
Thank you very much. Very informative paper. And thank you
for keeping the time.
I'm going to throw this open to the floor before I do, I'll take
the prerogative of the chair.
You you address that? Partially.
But I'm wondering if I can press you just a little bit on it, which
is in terms of short answer, hint, these impact and effect far beyond
India. So you did mention certain geographical spaces like Turkey
and Iraq, and of course, we're Indians migrated elsewhere. But
you also linked this primarily.
Although not exclusively, because videos as an Nordsee wasn't an
expenditure of his of his line. He may well have been of another line
but not have that line.
You linked mostly his impact to followers of historical were their
study, I'm sorry.
of history of the yes of the next one, the magenta datoria line,
which of course goes through him. Were there any other impacts on
the Islamic sciences more generally, in terms of how they
were taught or practice or so on elsewhere, that existed outside of
inheritors or modes of historical
now, I don't think we can exclusively relate everything back
to him. He just plays a major part in removing the dismantling the
Dena Elahi. And, and then after that, setting up the reform work
of purifying the corruptions into sort of coming from a Sufi. So I
think what he does is it lays down the foundation that obviously
gives mashallah see, because I think for 200 centuries from
Sheikh Mohammed, the Chesty Rahim Oh, last time for 200 centuries,
you had the ascendancy of the tissues throughout the
subcontinent. And after I think it was after the fourth, the fifth
one, I forget his name. After that, it was the ascendancy of the
next seven days, and that lasted for about three to four centuries.
And then after that with * Abdullah, it looks like he was
initially he was initially with a Naqshbandi che, who passed away
and then after that, he moved to a GSD shape, and thereafter that the
Chishti was enlivened again. And right now we're seeing, you know,
that's what we're seeing. So now there's been, there's least not
exclusively for sure.
Okay, if you could raise your hand, and I will come to an order.
So we'll go here, and then they're in sha, Allah and
Bismillah.
Yeah, thank you very much for an excellent talk. I'm saying talk
because I couldn't get your paper. So I couldn't read it. Yeah, I
didn't. Anyway, it's an excellent paper. And there are two ways to
read this paper. One is the way you are describing the personality
and the historical context in which MSR Hindi lived and worked.
The other way is that what is the takeaway of this? And shall we put
it in a different perspective to draw different meanings of this
paper? And I'm interested in the later part of it, because you are
in a way very interestingly, pointing towards a contest between
the religious discourses as well as political power. And this is
very significant, because whenever we think of idea of heritage in
subcontinent and especially in post colonial India, it is very
important to for us as Indian Muslims, that what could be the
important component of the medieval times which should be
commemorated in a positive way. And your talk the ways in which
you are linking amateur Hindi, which will EULA and later for
instance, Maulana Madani I think
It provides a different idea of heritage in which we can assert
that a dividing line was always drawn between political power and
the religious assertion. So the devotion assertion was in a way to
use a very complicated term secular was always there that you
can accommodate different people without giving up your essential
Islamic pneus in a way, that you would always remain Islamic, but
at the same time, you would open up and at the same time, you would
also assert yourself against the established political power. So if
that is the case, then there is a strong possibility to think of
this idea of heritage, which makes us more Islamic, more open, in
comparison to Muslim rule. So if you look at the blame game that is
played out in contemporary India, that Muslims are treated as if
whatsoever done by the Muslim rulers in medieval India, the
contemporary Muslim communities are responsible for that. If I
take from you this important reformulation of the idea of
heritage, then we can certainly find an answer. No, we are not
responsible, what ogba date of what all exempted, we can
certainly say that we being an Islamic, being a Muslim, as a
practicing Islamic communities, we have a different notion of
heritage, and this notion of heritage is still surviving. So I
think that's the most important takeaway is from Thank you very
much. I appreciate that. I again, because I'm not so aware of the
exact dynamics in India right now. But that's a really interesting
point that it's always been, our devotion has always been the most
important because that's the powerhouse, that's the heart.
That's what keeps our faith see us. And politics is something that
is has to be adjusted and adapted to what the need is of that time.
And despite being you know, on this path of devotion, it doesn't
stop you as Sheikh Hussein admitted his legacy shows us of
being part of the politics. So what hamdulillah is like a lot
here for them.
Please go ahead.
Mike, my question is more in the form of a clarification. This is
certainly not my domain of knowledge. So so there are too
many names where it's not mine as well. So
so so. So, what I understand out of this is this. So there is this
gentleman who has been able to revive a tradition, right and
which has now global influence, right? That's the basic argument.
Now the question is this that that is also the guy who brain was to
my brain was Jahangir. Akbar son about the nail? I don't know if I
agree with brainwashed but but if I asked this question, what led to
the end of the Malay, for instance, what caused the end of
the delay the entire project? Because I basically wanted to be a
prophet, right?
How did the How did it end? It's basically it's his son, who who
basically disregarded everything that his father had done, someone
must have convinced him or on his own he has considered. So John
Galia. So, so obviously revival comes in the context of the West
some decline that had happened, and there is somebody who's trying
to revive a tradition about
so now the question is this, that, and which I think, in my
understanding is probably a weak link. And I'm interested, if you
could shed some light on that, which is, if I suggest that the
global success of whatever evidence that we see outside the
continent is less about the merit of this particular tradition more
about the intrapreneur ability of his followers. Will that be a good
argument? The interpretive ability you said intrapreneurial
intrapreneur entrepreneur? Yes, then to a certain degree,
that's as a vehicle for this.
I think my my point was that I mean, it's not because of his
teachings that people spread around the world. That's just an
Indian thing. You know, that's just Indian entrepreneurs you know
going around the world but had it not been for his work you could
have said they would have been a different scene wherever they did
go they will probably would have still gone but it may have been a
totally different scene.
Okay, we serve time for several more questions. So I have one here
and then here any others to be put down? No okay type Bismillah Masha
Allah excellent talk.
One of the underlying aspects or rather the methodology adopted by
this great shave was a long term strategy or other the the way he
adopt the he envisioned the change that
has to be made in that particular society. It wasn't as if just to
pass a fatwa. Okay, this is not done. He was someone who vision
something like which they, like will bear fruit, three generations
down the line four generations down the line. So I have a rather
concerned or masquerading as a Gaussian perhaps, that in the
present times the present olema, the scholarship that we have more
particularly in the institutional set of setup, What kind are we
really following such kind of things are drawing inspiration
from such long term vision kind of thing? Like, okay, fine, this,
this is not happening according to Islam. So that's one part. And the
second question, which may is linked or direct indirectly? Is
that each generation or each century, or perhaps centuries have
a language? Which is there? For instance, Ocean was once the
language of the elites, arguably, English is the language of the
elites in the past few centuries? Or perhaps for the next few? And
maybe Chinese next years? Okay, so sorry, maybe Chinese next, have we
you never know. But at present in general, in India, or increasingly
across the world, anyone who is being considered to be educated is
well versed in English. So the present elites, so called elites,
people who are in the government, or they know, how are they in the
policymaking? Or people who are really thinkers, they are actually
cut off with such kind of scholarship and work. I appreciate
so. So what do you suggest? Or what are the steps that you
suggest? I mean, I'm just concerned, okay, that we can do
for that. So firstly, I doubt that Sheikh Mohammed said Hindi was a
loved one, and I doubt he was ever, ever told that what's your
five year plan, your 10 year plan and your 20 year plan? I would
doubt that he would have it may have been I think what he probably
saw was the corruption. And this is the this is those people, Allah
subhanaw taala is going to take, you know, except for his service
like that, they have that natural vision, right, that this is
corrupt, this is going in the wrong direction. If we if I don't
see this as my responsibility, then I'm in trouble. You have to
see it as your responsibility. You have to have the capability, the
proficiency and a number of other things. And that all came together
in SHEIKH AHMED sir Hindi I think so that's what I think. And I
don't think we disagree there. Anyway, in terms of the vision, I
think what you're talking about is lava to comb. Right lava to comb
that is extremely important is that we are able to converse in
the dominant comb the dominant people who are setting the trends.
So as you highlighted English probably is the is the language is
the lingua franca of the column as such, and for that to happen in
England Alhamdulillah. I mean, we in the West were native speakers,
so all the other mother graduate there, they speak English, but
unfortunately, they could do much better. And there's always an
emphasis that heighten your language, because in order there
isn't, I mean, there is a slang but most people who are educated
they speak a decent form of eloquent or do, right. Whereas in
English, we have a problem. Even in English speaking countries,
that a lot of our own, may just be speaking a slang or colloquial at
least form of language. So our constant like in our madrasa, this
is what we're constantly pushing them to do that you need to learn
the Loja to comb when somebody listens to you, they can't tell
the difference. They, they they are amazed by what you say,
because language is a carrier. And it's a vehicle and that's very
important. So we need a lot more. But in India, I've seen this that
when I go to Bangalore, for example, out of the 4 million
Muslims there 1 million speak English. I've even gone there and
told them off. But I think I'm wasting my time. When I've gone to
Pakistan, I insist on speaking or to do but there's no speak English
always nobody's going to listen to you. So there's a massive problem
in Indian subcontinent and Pakistan, that if the ALMA don't
start conversing inaudible, then we're going to lose people.
We're already losing people. So I'm concerned that translations in
all the sorry, I'm concerned or rather search great works. They
are just for people who node goodwill do in fact, yeah, they're
not open for us. Like the common people who don't know No, in that
front of hamdulillah number of books are being translated to
English was yeah, here.
Yeah, hereby is there. white thread and Torah publishing, we've
published a number of translated books in good quality language
that anybody will pick up and inshallah be able to, and now for
the Indian market, because the Indian market, you know, you can't
pay 10 pounds for a book. Right? That's 1000 rupees. No, no, it's
Yeah, I think so. Now we've actually having select books
published in India in English through in store, I'll just plug
it right now. In store
dot i n is it India dot iron and they actually publishing there you
have some good printing presses so inshallah that will become more
but we need to do a lot more martial law just need to market
that well it's very much needed general perception across the
board is that whatever is it Islamic or search works or
something or for two and 1400 years old and unless that is given
in the language that we understand the the Modern Language its
challenge mashallah very colorful.
Okay, this will be our final question, which I'll have to ask
you to make it brief as we need to move on to the closing session.
And no question but I just want to suggest two three things. The
Arrival not a very
telling they will really started bad but it died it's natural dead
within much time. Only a few numbers of the people were to
please the Emperor accepted it. And it is very interesting to note
that once advert told Raja Man Singh I knew to adopt this denial
I said changeu I know only Hinduism and Islam. If you say I
become a Muslim, but I didn't know that.
But there were some events in the society for that year mo syringic
took the task is religion with the trustees his father was a trustee,
and two important thing from his life I have been recorded. And I
think that you must have gone to Freidman Jonas book concerto
mastering the Bradman loners were very interesting and very in
detail, what's his name? Right, Yona
Friedman,
I will use the name, I'll take it from Julia.
She had me she didn't even Witchita Admir shrine, he was
offered a closed street from the shrines people. And he took it
with all respect, in spite of all his spirit in thought, and you see
beliefs and told the people that Digitas this will be my when you
this is beneficial for me in the other part. So please bear with
me. But it could not be possible at the time of death. So you must
also highlight some religions.
She remembers Hindi. And more importantly, he appointed his son
Anca umiya. At Edgemere.
As well, are you Merkel umiya, to concept of a union, I think you'll
notice Did you meet the concept of a union in that next one, these
can zoom Can you mean that find your means you must see to it. So
instead of kalaba instead of the six surgeon, they are known as a
unit and he appointed his son autonomy. To get the blessing
sermon interesting. There are some suggestions that you can dissolve
the point of a lecture is to encourage people to act to get
further and inspiration and encouragement, persuasion. The
next step is to actually start learning seriously to read books
to take on a subject of Islam and to understand all the subjects of
Islam at least at the basic level, so that we can become more aware
of what our deen wants from us. And that's why we started Rayyan
courses so that you can actually take organize lectures on demand
whenever you have free time, especially for example, the
Islamic essentials course that we have on the Islamic essentials
certificate which you take 20 Short modules and at the end of
that insha Allah you will have gotten the basics of most of the
most important topics in Islam and you'll feel a lot more confident.
You don't have to leave lectures behind you can continue to live,
you know to listen to lectures, but you need to have this more
sustained study as well as aka la harem Salam aleikum wa rahmatullah
wa barakato.