Abdur Rahman ibn Yusuf Mangera – Shaykh Taha Karaan An Obituary
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The loss of older people and older people has been a consequence of older people losing their bodies. MSF, a member of the Muslim optimization council, talks about his experiences with Andre and his involvement in various studies. He also discusses his involvement in writing and studying about the "the Great War" and the-theological importance of becoming religious to achieve spiritual transformation. The transcript describes a person named MSF and his history of issues related to the Shia discussion.
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There's a lot of people who pass away but generally a lot of our
scholars who passed away they tend to be older.
So clearly there's a one idea is that yes, we've lost the scholar,
we've lost our shake. We lost our shake. Last year, Sheikh Yusuf,
Allah bless him and Allah have mercy on him. We lost him last
year, but the idea was okay, he was older one day he had to go. So
there's always a side of you that thinks, now when you start now
losing or when you start getting old, to the to the level that
somebody's just a bit older than you maybe less than 510 years
older than you they start going at a seemingly young age, then you
start feeling mortality, right then you start feeding water and a
lot of people have this effect when somebody at their kind of age
starts going. Now Sheikh Bahar Quran Rahim Allah may Allah have
mercy on him? He was I think over 50 So he is between five to 10
years older than me. But I knew him well. I've met him at his
house in strand, Cape Town, South Africa. I've met him in Canada on
probably more than one occasion when we had been invited there for
some programs. And I think the last time I met him was a few
years ago.
In
I think it was mocha mocha Rama, and met him in Makkah. mukarram he
was about to depart after his ombre. And we had just arrived.
And I still remember because he was always full of mashallah
knowledge, because he was very, very wide read. I mean, I would
say that from kind of 4050 year old is probably one of the most
wide read person I've seen. I met him in Egypt, actually, yes, I met
him in Egypt as well once when I in 2007, when I went there for the
bookfair, massive, huge, enormous bookfair like becomes old town,
part of part of Cairo. So he he used to come there, if not every
year, then many years. So why did you come?
So the reason he cut he used to come there, from what I understood
is, he used to come there to remain on the cutting edge of what
research and what had been produced. He was such a
bibliophile, that, anytime I asked him a question or that asked him,
you know, he'd be able to give you a very, very
comprehensive idea and guidance, and from many, many different
sources. So he wasn't restricted to one source he would read. And
he was, he's from South Africa. He'd gone to Darwin Durban to
study he's from the Malay background. So which means that
they generally tend to be Shafi. And he remained is remained Shafi
all the way.
He went to download duben to study. So he had to learn Urdu.
His father had been a graduate of Darwin, they opened as well,
you know, many, many years ago. So after he studied in Mia's farm in
South Africa, where he did his of the Quran, I think, then he went
to download the women to study which is the elite institution.
And he must have had to master all due because South Africans are not
very good in order, right? Even the Asian background ones, right,
the Indian background ones. So
he came top in his class of six 700 students at the time, somebody
who didn't know any overdue competing with everybody else. And
it's quite amazing. I mean, the kind of knowledge he had, I mean,
from my experience with him.
I remember asking him, you know, whenever I've asked him questions,
you will always come up with some really enriching answers.
Mashallah. So that time in Amara, that time it was an ombre time,
actually in Morocco in Morocco, and I met him so he's about to
leave and he said, Oh, I have to go and do my twofer. With that. I
said, you're not in hajj, why are you doing a twofer without for he
said the chef is we do it often with that as well. After ombre,
right, so the 100 of us don't have to do that. But we don't have to
do a special final tawaf right after the ombre, right?
Because the waffle widow means the farewell tawaf. So you have to do
a farewell tawaf even for ombre and also in Shafi school, Andre is
also fourth, at least one in your life, just as a hajis. Whereas in
the Hanafi school, it's not we generally tend to do it anyway.
But it's not afforded it's an obligation to Hanafi school. And
in Canada, we used to have long because that's when we would be
traveling together or staying together and they'd be mashallah
really get to pick his brains about the Shafi school and many,
many other things. Mashallah.
So he was always very, very, I mean, in South Africa, I went to
the MJC, which is the Muslim Judicial Council of the Cape Town,
that cape area, and he was really really high up there. He was
actually part of their fatwa department. He was probably the
main person in that footwear department. I remember when I was
given a meeting with them and touring them that that is what it
was. He was there. And I did kickoff twice in Cape Town last 10
days of Ramadan for two years, about 676 to seven years ago, five
to six years ago actually the two years then and mashallah, I mean I
had to interact with a lot of students is left behind people
came from all quite a few countries I remember
I have a student from Canada. I think he was a lawyer or something
I'm not sure he'd given that up to go and study with him. Because we
were really, really impressed by his very comprehensive knowledge.
The other thing is it was a very cool person. Now, he was into
polemics in the sense that he was well read about the Qadiani issue.
So in South Africa, they had a history with the remedies, they
tried to cause a big fuss like 30, about 40 years ago, I think he was
also at the forefront of the producing a lot of the research
and there was a court case that took place, which finally I think
declared them to be out of the fold of Islam. And then regarding
the whole Shia issue, South Africa has really, really suffered from
an onslaught of Setia ideology. Right? When I was there, in 98, it
was at its peak at that time, several, a lot of people there had
been quite a few people had been affected by this. And they were
really presented rising,
using the whole concept of
love of the, the Al bait or debate as a way to try to get to the
heartstrings and the emotional heartstrings to get people
confused about the issue. And he was at the forefront of the
research. But whenever he spoke about these things, he did it in
such a constructive way. You know, you didn't see him kind of getting
red in the face or arguing in a way. Even I guess a detractor
would be able to sit and listen and make up his own mind if he
wanted to refuse to make, you know, refuse to agree if he wanted
to. But it was never a kind of a debate as a tit for tat kind of
idea. It was always very objective, very clear cut very
academic. And mashallah he had
Subhanallah
why is it that when somebody dies, then you start talking about them?
I've just been thinking about this last two years, because so many
people have died, so many scholars have died, and then it's like when
they die, then you start talking about them, and then all of their
work comes out and then you start sending around their work and all
their achievements. Why didn't we do that while they were alive?
Clearly there were people benefiting right but I feel like I
could have benefited from him a lot more because, you know, he
used to see me as a friend but he was I think so much greater
because he's just so vast mashallah Allah subhanaw taala
given him a huge amount of qualities, mashallah very, very
well respected. So he departed, I think it was he suffered for quite
a few days he was in hospital was very critical than they thought he
was going to get better. His father passed away as well. His
father had done many good works as well translating some of the other
works Shakespeare careers I think follow like minded cetera into
into English and Shakhtar mashallah, his, his English was
very high. His writing style was very, very good. And he wrote he
was a poet as well. Really interesting. You don't get too
many poets. And he was a poet in Arabic, he could write really good
Arabic poetry. I remember when he was in Egypt at the mod.
Something had happened with the place that stayed or something. I
remember, he was fluent in egyptian arabic as well, because
he studied there for two years after they opened. He's fluent in
his, the so called colloquial egyptian arabic, which is Arab
onyx or something like that. It was mashallah, mashallah, really,
really a unassuming, down to earth person. And what's really the
thing is, as the Hadith says is that Allah subhanaw taala will not
just pull out knowledge, although that can happen as well that, you
know, there's so many things I knew before. I don't know any more
that can happen, right? I'm sure everybody feels that you forget if
you don't repeat. But the bigger way that Allah subhanaw taala
takes it away is by taking away on a minor one. One aspect of that is
this that what's wrong with that people are going to die. Nobody's
here forever, who said that on them are going to live longer than
anybody else. Right. So I want to put this in perspective because,
you know, the Hadith says that Allah will remove knowledge by
removing the scholars, well, scholars are human beings, human
beings die, so they're gonna die one day. So the point is this,
that yes, scholars will die. But if we're not doing if not, if
we're not working hard enough to replace those collars with
somebody else while they're still alive. So when they die, there's
somebody take their place. And I think Sheikh Taha is definitely
one of those people who's not going to be very easily replaced,
if at all, because he was just amazing. And I got to learn a lot
more about him when I was in the attic of a number of students were
in the aitikaf. And they will tell us, you know, they were telling me
about him. So I don't think he's a very easily replaceable person.
Right? There's a lot of other people they die, right, but you
can see that they can be replaced. There is quite a few people who
cannot be replaced where you're going to get another Sheikh Yusuf
Matata Rahmatullah from where you're going to get that it's just
it's just very difficult. That's the real suffering there. So
people are going
The day Yes, but it's our responsibility to work for that.
May Allah subhanaw taala, bless him, he's gone at just 50
Something SubhanAllah 50 something, whatever Allah wanted
from him,
Allah subhanho wa Taala has allowed him to do, he's definitely
left a legacy, at least he can say that even though he died younger
than a lot of other people, he's definitely left the legacy. And
that's all sadaqa jariya all those students and other people is
inspired.
Allah subhanaw taala
bless him, raise his status, fill his grave with light, grant him
comfort
and raise him on the Day of Judgment among the holy solar hub
in the company of the prophets. And may Allah subhanaw taala.
grant him Jannetty. And for those, and may Allah subhanaw taala allow
us and our progeny
to also leave a legacy and to be of those people who were useful
and were beneficial.
May Allah subhanaw taala accept. Now just think about it. He was in
South Africa, many of you probably didn't even know about him before.
But you've probably just learned about him either from me or from
the messages that are going around. Now imagine if there was a
really, really other wealthy person out there, or some other
achieve some other person who's achieved something in some other
fields.
Maybe the people in that field may have known but how would you know?
The only reason the whole Muslim community knows about this is
because he prospered in terms of Islam, in terms of his knowledge
and Islam. So, don't we want that to happen as well that more people
will make dua for us. So the way to do it is this way,
that doesn't mean you have to give up anything else you're doing.
It's just you have to become religious. Close to Allah subhanaw
taala that's what's most important.
May Allah subhanaw taala accept JazakAllah here for listening, may
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