Abdur Rahman ibn Yusuf Mangera – 25 Year Brain Drain Finished With Our Salafi Brothers
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On one occasion, the professor Lau cinemas in Juma giving hotbar. And
suddenly, there's a man who came in who looked very disheveled and
torn clothing and everything, his name was slake from the Benoit
ofan tribe.
And the Prophet salallahu. In the hotbar, he suddenly told people to
donate. And he stopped
the hook. According to one narration, he actually stopped the
football as well.
Now, would you do that today? Have a I mean, I shouldn't even promote
this, to be honest. I mean, some of the really fun like bang in the
middle of the hood when you got everybody's attention. Let's have
a fundraiser.
Do you see what I'm saying? Now, can you take that hadith? No,
because that was
a very extraordinary situation, where this person was very, very
poor, and you could see it, and the Prophet sallallahu Sallam
wanted people to donate there straightaway. And
all generations don't miss several narrations that tell you this
story. And one of them it mentions that the bros I'm actually stopped
his cookbook so it wasn't done while giving up although if you
look at the other generations, they actually makes it seem as
though the hotbar was on and the donation has been given because
you're not supposed to do anything during the football. Can you see
it's not a very it's not a very simple thing that you can just
take Hadith and run with it.
So nobody can rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh
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I'm going to just share some different anecdotes with you. This
is not some kind of properly organized talk, because I think
there's some number of thoughts that I have over this issue. And I
also have a lot of relief that I want to share with you something
I've been thinking about in just the last year or
so, for the last 20 years, maybe 25 years, there's been a massive
brain drain.
There's been a massive time waste.
People going around
what's your mental health? Why do you follow this? Why don't you
follow that? Not any kind of serious discussion, or
constructive
study. But what you're doing what the majority is doing, what your
forefathers were doing is wrong.
It's a bit and forget bedarra It was confidential, Ken doll and Bob
Dylan, you know, every swear word you can find that was the
discussion.
So that was for the last 20 years, or actually 25 years.
I wrote a book on this subject.
In 1994, or 95. I
think 9094 95 It's been a long time. And the book was just trying
to show the evidences for the Hanafy way of prayer, which is
pretty much followed by and practiced by 50% of the Muslims
around the world minimum that came under attack that it's wrong.
So I remember that time going to different countries in the world
and in some countries, they were not willing to even provide
evidence because they said no, were pandering to the whole
discussion. I think it was important to provide evidence and
Alhamdulillah now I can say in the last two, three years, there is
mashallah aside from a maybe a small group of McAleese, I'm not
really too well versed with the different names but as far as I
understand, aside from a small group of my colleagues who still
are beating the same drum and have not matured yet in that regard,
Masha, Allah, masha Allah or other brothers who used to be anti
malherbe or Salafi or whatever the terms are at that time.
Alhamdulillah Alhamdulillah we can embrace one another and live
together as the Muslim ummah should. And it's such a good
feeling. Last two, three years have been amazing. And then this
feeling of euphoria, this feeling of
comfort and success and relief was shattered.
I went, I was in Australia, this Ramadan. And people had stayed
awake for the 27th night. And then we prayed for Azure. And then we
were waiting for the Iraq and I had a little talk and then I
finished and there was a newcomer there and notice it's a very large
mess.
It was a newcomer there. So after I finished and generally after
fajr, there's a number of people that come and ask questions. And
then after that, as I was going away from there, they brought this
brother along and said, he's got a few questions. He wants to meet
your So are they come where you from brother, and I'm in Iraq. You
know, he's from Iraq. I thought he was Saudi first. He was dressed
like that, but he's from Iraq.
hamdulillah wonderful. I talked about Iraq, I talked about
Baghdad, they talked about our other media where Imam Abu Hanifa
Rahim Allah used to stay where he is buried.
But his purpose was something else. His purpose was we need to
discuss the issue of
it saying the army in allowed.
I was like, oh, man, I've just we just 25 years of this. We've just
had hamdulillah now in England, we were relaxing.
You guys.
Right? I'm like, come on. Are you serious? People have just stayed
away twin, you know, for most of the night of much of the nights.
They've done worship 27 Boy, he said this is important. This
they're ill we have to study I said, Yes, this is your element we
have to study but you know, you choose times for things and
whether there's an appetite or whether it's even worth it.
Because I was then told that he actually goes to different
massage. And he engages people and confuses them like this. When I
say confused, confused.
Obviously, he wants people on his side, he was very polite on this
one thing was very, very polite. Because generally what we've dealt
with in the past, they were not very polite at all. Because they
would just see that you are wrong. You are totally misled. You are
totally deviant and I need to correct you so they won't even
listen to you. It was very difficult for anybody to listen to
you. But there's always good people among them. Mashallah.
So I can't say they were all like that, but this is what this
brother was very polite, mashallah, and I'm telling him
Look, brother, let me tell you, you are wasting your time. He
said, How are we wasting time I said, there's a number of other
things we can discuss. People are losing their faith. And the Amin
Bill jar issue, there will be meaning saying Amin aloud or
silently, both views exist in most, most most of them, it's not
a forbidden obligation at all.
It's not an obligation at all, in the hands of humans. And if you
did it, you wouldn't be sinful, but it's preferable not to do it.
Whereas in the Shafi and humbly method as well, it's preferable to
do it. But I'm sure if you've missed it, it wouldn't be major
wrong or anything like that. So why do you need to discuss this on
a day like this? Especially, you know, when people want to now go
to sleep? Why would you want to discuss it, it's just that there
was a mission. What it was, is that whenever anybody, any group
of people are driven with a mission. To say that look, you
need to go and correct people, then they don't see night or day,
they don't see black or white, then that's all they see,
actually. Then they want to just correct everybody because you're a
man on a mission, if only people can replace that for a bigger
mission, to save people from her arms, to save people from shirk,
and kufr and atheism and all the other deviances which are out
there. And to bring other people into Islam. I said, Brother,
what's your what's your
background? What have you studied? So Well, I started studying
engineering, but then I left the whole Cofer system or something
like that he mentioned
said this is all the thing that you've got time to do them.
So it looks like in some countries, there's still an issue.
People haven't matured but hamdulillah in this country. I was
actually invited last year, six, seven months ago, to a
a retreat, a big family retreat, which is run by all extra fees,
you know, and I was a bit apprehensive but it was mashallah,
what brotherhood now. Didn't feel strange at all.
hamdulillah Al Hamdulillah people have really, really matured, but
there are still some elements. I don't know, they have nothing
better to do in life than to this I hate speaking like this, but I
just want to put the situate, I just wanted to share these
thoughts. That Alhamdulillah a lot of people have matured, but some
people haven't yet.
So now I'm going to just ask you a few questions.
Right, it looks like these guys are getting excited about the
questions.
So I want you to mention now listen to this, I want you to
mention the names of n this can be done collectively.
I just want I'm gonna write down the names of five scholars, five
great scholars, from after the scholars of the Hadith books like
Bukhari Muslim and so on after them. And from before 100 years
ago, I just want you to mention the names of up to about five
scholars that you think everybody would know about the most famous
ones, you know, that you would think about
I did this in Middlesex University.
And the first three four names came up with
fidelity Sheikh Abdulaziz bin beause. I said sorry, that's just
30 years ago. Then I'll say mean right ignore say mean Rahim Allah.
I said again, that's just Alberni. I said, Come on, man. And then
when I push, I said, Okay, ignore Damien. Ignore him. I said, You
have not they could not mention just about then. Finally, when I
really pushed it, then they brought some other words. These
are the five names that people mentioned only as though all of
Islamic scholarship relies on them. So now, I'm going to ask you
a question. So it has to be over 100 years ago, approximately, and
from maybe the third century onwards. So gone. Five Names.
Yes. Gone.
Now that he's too early, he died in 150 Hijiri. So he's too early.
Which Hanif are you talking about? Anyway?
Imam Hanifa. Imam Abu Hanifa.
Okay, I thought maybe you guys know about another Hanifa. And if
as a girl's name, by the way, so Abu Hanifa is the father of
Hanifa. Technically, that's what it means. But you're talking about
the big Imam. Right? So he died in 150 Hijiri. So it's very early on
somebody after him.
Yes, brothers. Yes.
How do we negotiate not bad? Although that's within the first
two centuries as well. And he wasn't I mean, he must have been a
scholar in his own right, but he's not No, he's the he's the big leaf
of the Abbasids have you guys
shoveling Allah okay. 300 years ago? Yeah.
Mr. McDonough he's too early. He's he just died recently.
Need to go beyond that?
Yes, well, shall we do later? Okay, I'll take that
show when you law Go ahead.
Mashallah, mashallah semana la Zuber? This. Imam Ghazali Okay.
Three more Yes.
louder now after after all of the Hadith scholars after all of the
mambo Hari Telemedia who doubt after them
yes
okay, just think about it and come back to us
in which will okay, we can use both if you want
one's a bit yeah. He said in the lobby, so I'll take that one.
Yeah, yeah, he said it correctly for the molecule.
You Yes.
Come on, man. I mean, if I start asking about football players
Masha Allah history you will give me
Imam even rotate me until I already gave a clue on that one.
So I'm gonna leave that as I can use that as well. But still I want
to more.
Masha Allah Baraka la vie Mazziotti in Egypt. He's got a
nice big, I mean, I've been to his place I've been to where he's
buried in Egypt. Yes.
Good stuff now now, mashallah the juicers are running now in New
Hampshire last Kalani. Okay, so anyway, we've got five names here.
123456 names actually. Now, these are the five names that you think
about, right? If you want for good measure, put a new claim in here
as well. Yes.
Okay.
Okay.
My handle. Okay. So this is what I'm going to say. Now. These are
the biggest names in your mind. These are people you listen, you
hear their name, this is who are quoted and so on. So let's see how
many of them follow the method or not. Because if not, hubs are not
important. I'm sure they've been I'm sure shake up a little idea
here is emphasize that point and establish that point. But if it
wasn't important, then why would these big people follow a month or
associate themselves with a month of work within a month hub, be
scholars of the month be you know, parts of that process? So if we
start with showing you Allah, shall we do Allah is supposed to
be Hanafy right? He's obviously I'll explain that later.
It was ignored OB Rahim Allah No, it was it was it was a Shafi.
He was a Shafi
YBNL Oribi was a Maliki.
Amongst the youth. He was a Shafi if Nigel Ashkelon he was a chef he
looks like Chef he is dominates.
Even though they're the third largest mobile after the Hanafi
and Maliki's. But for some reason, they've done something mashallah
that they seem to dominate. And then you had Edna Tamia was
humbling.
He was humbly his father was humbling. His grandfather was
humbling. So they were humble is not many of these colors like him
know how to Alaska and they were Shafi. But there were some
in positions where they went against the Shafi school and took
something else few because it but they were proud Chevys.
Imam Shah whether you like in some cases, he did espouse some other
views, but he was Hanafi.
Likewise, YBNL Oribi, you probably find something from him where he
may have departed. I think he's got a statement about the moving
of the fingers. In You know, when you shuffle the Maliki's there's a
view in there to move the fingers. I think it's him who mentioned
that then who you shall wish it creates distraction. So what I'm
trying to say is that if you take even other big scholars of the
Hanafi, like Imam, the Howey
they were all within the malherbe. But because they were such great
scholars and at the level of each Jihad where they could do this
juridical analysis and endeavor on their own, they did depart
sometimes. But they had a right to do that. But they will all within
a month.
Yes, I will mention to you names of scholars that were outside of
them of him. There have been and there was a few famous ones but
they were a minority, that people like that with the vahidi Ibrahim
Allah Healy, the other ignore, ignore RRV the shift, he was
thought heavy. So you have a minority who allow Haiti vahidi
means they say we're going to take from the apparent meaning of the
text. And there's a complicated discussion about HDHomerun and so
on and so forth. But the overwhelming majority had a motto
in the last 30 years, this call comes about don't follow my thumb.
So what should we follow instead? And this was something that I
thought about for a very long time, what should we follow
instead? And it wasn't sounding right they said let's follow Quran
and Sunnah directly.
Okay, let's follow Quran sunnah directly. I've been dealing with
this since the beginning since the 1990s. And as shakers as well,
right? So said something doesn't make sense. The reason is that if
I'm if the coal is, which is a beautiful coal, follow the Quran
and Sunnah directly, recently on a radio TV show, question and answer
somebody said, what month had Dyneema? Abu Hanifa follow?
So my answer was that he followed the Hanafi madhhab. Broadly
speaking,
what else is he gonna follow? Because the Hanafi mother is not
some innovation is just an interpretation, one
interpretation. Now what happens is that those people who say
follow Quran sunnah directly, so Okay, fine. I'm going to take
Bukhari Muslim and many other Hadith collections, and I'm going
to start to go directly,
right and find the Hadith about the issue I'm dealing with and I'm
going to follow that. Say, Okay, are you happy now that I'm
following this? Brother? What's your answer? Let me see. What is
your opinion you follow on? So I said, this is my opinion, said No,
that's wrong. I said, but you said follow Quran sunnah. This is the
Hadith. No, but this hadith
is not the one that we accept or is not the one that we would take
as the view because if new thymine or shipbuilders or Alberni did not
go with this one, they went with the other one.
I thought you said follow Quran sunnah directly and this sahih
Hadith?
No, that's not you have to follow it through the lens of our
scholars.
This only hit me about seven years ago after about 19 years of
banging my head on this.
That what people are calling towards this just the fifth man
happen.
There's no Quran sunnah. It is Quran, sunnah, but it's through
the lens of a group of scholars. So if you take Quran and Sunnah
directly, but it does not match up with what their scholars said,
they will not accept it.
So what they're saying is follow the Quran sunnah through our
scholarship through our scholars and well then it's just my
scholars against your scholars. My scholars are older. They've stood
the test of 1300 years. They were closer they were Dabiri Imago
Hanifa was W Rahim Allah. They were closer to Time of the Sunnah
in practice today. Can you go anywhere in the world where you
actually see the Sunnah in practice the way it was in time
Iraq salary seldom No. So for example, technically if I wanted
to start a new month today, maybe technically I could but it would
be purely theory based. What that means is that I would just have
the Quran and Sunnah text and I would have to just
apply that
and what they had them like Imam Malik, in Madina, Munawwara is he
had the text in front of him of the Quran and Sunnah, but he also
had people who had seen the Sahaba doing what they saw the Sahaba
doing what they saw the prophets I wasn't doing so he could actually
confirm what he's reading for not just confirmed, but
get an example and a clarification of what he's reading to what's
being practiced.
Same with the World War Hanifa Rahim Allah because if no Massoud
or the Allah adult level also did an idea and others had moved to
Kufa, numerous Sahaba moved to Kufa and obviously they had not
started a new way they continued to practice the Islam that they
had learned in Madina Munawwara so now in Kufa, this had been spread
their email Boniva took from that heritage just within the 50 years
that it was there.
You see the difference now? So why should I now take from somebody
today comes with a new idea. Even though it no Tamia Rahim, Allah
used to follow a mother. Yes, he had divergences.
He had opinions that were separate, but he still considered
himself broadly speaking within the humbly school. I mean, the
humbly school has a lot of room for differences of opinion anyway,
I guess, right?
To a certain degree, yeah.
So do you understand what we're saying here? There is no pure
fouling of the Quran, sunnah. Why is there no pure fun in the Quran?
sunnah mini there is is the following The grandson, but it's
always through something. Because unless you're a big scholar in
your own right, and you develop your own mother, and I already
said, if you want to develop your own mother, you're still going to
be at a disadvantage, because you don't have any practical
manifestation of what the Prophet Solomon was doing and what the
Sahaba were doing, because that's been lost now, which community in
the world still has proper sunnah lifestyle?
Which community in the world?
Saudi Arabia,
some village in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Taliban,
Mauritania,
they might have remnants of some they might have some aspects
Alhamdulillah. I mean, it's all there, broadly speaking, but pure,
where you can see wow, this is how the process lived. This is how the
Sahaba acted. That would be a bit complicated. So then
they will what's important now, though, is still to understand
why
there are differences, why can't there just be one way? A lot of
people sincere people, like why can't there why is there a
difference of opinion? Why are we so
do divided.
This is, you know, there's utopian ideas in people's mind, they would
love to just see everything in synchrony, you know, everything to
be one way. So a lot of people if they don't understand this, like,
why can't it just be one way? And that's a genuine question like,
why can't it be one way?
Well, there's good reasons for that. There's a ontological
reason, which I'll talk about later. But there's a very
practical simple reason. And then there's a wisdom behind it. And
there's other reasons as well. In the time of the Prophet
sallallahu, alayhi wa sallam, different things happened,
different
occasions arose, different answers were needed. So for example,
what's your name? Brother?
If brother side came through my salah and said, Look, I've got
this question. So the professor would respond to him based on his
circumstance, then what's your name?
face on facile or face solid? Okay, that is the discriminator
right the the distinguisher Mashallah.
So, Faisal comes program given another
based on his context, another response, one person came to the
province the lesson the discussion was about whether you can kiss
your wife in Ramadan
said no. Now, the person said it was okay. to another person. It
was okay. Why one was freshly married, the other one was veteran
in marriage. Now, we don't know who came first. Or if somebody
doesn't know that this one was older, this one was younger.
They're going to think this is a contradiction. You can open up
sahih al Bukhari, you know the book that everybody wants to go to
and you will find within the same chapter, same broad chapter Hadees
that seem to contradict one another. One says do it, the other
one says don't do it. If you look at any of these how you like Saha,
sunnah, Timothy,
Imam, Timothy will have a chapter saying, the chapter of those who
say it is permissible to do X, Y, and Zed and he'll mention a hadith
under it, then we'll have another and then he'll mentioned who takes
that view, then he'll have another chapter in which he says, Those
who say you should not do this. And then you have the view of
those as well. This hadith for all of this. That's why it's very
difficult to study Samuel Buhari with a comment without a
commentary. Very, very difficult. I mean, you'd be confused, because
it's just all many sahih Hadith put together, right, with
different
of
different points of view trying to, you know, Imam Buhari is
trying to put through different points of view with it. But you
need a comment. That's why there's 10s of commentaries written in
multi volumes about this.
So
there's, I mean, there's numerous examples of this
I can give you for example, Robert Kennedy alone, all of his wealth
when he gave it to for the expedition of the book, all of it
from Othmer from almoradi alone he was half from others when they
went like Saudi Arabia what costs really Allah and when he went to
to give his in the path of Allah He said know what to do to get he
says you can only give 1/3 and even a third is too much leave it
for you inheritors. Why did he accept robocut of the allong? Half
from Almighty Allah one and only 130 or they were different
occasions? I mean, so
it depends on the person, how much the person knows they can rely on
it. So what do you take from you? Are you allowed to give olive oil?
Or Aren't you allowed?
The scholars will look at these Hadith and they will decide oh,
this was particular context was a very specific person. Most people
aren't like obika The Allah one. I mean, Ubercart Leon was amazing.
After he migrated to Medina, whenever the province or they were
on their way to Madina, Munawwara it took them some time to get to
Madina, Munawwara
his father, who had become blind by now Abu Kochava, or the Allah
one had become blind now, he said, saying to obey his daughter, his
granddaughter, a smuggler, the hola Juana. What has your father
left for us? He's taken everything because they needed their supplies
for the way what has he left for us? So look at the daughter of
this man. She she was blind, abou Kochava her grandfather was blind.
She led him to a pile of pebbles that looked like their hands that
felt like their hands or coins, put a cloth over and said look,
put his hand over and said Look how much is left for us. mean he's
left all of these stones for us.
He thought it was money obviously. That's the family we're dealing
with here. They can give 100% apothem and they'd be happy and
they won't feel disgruntled afterwards. But not everybody can
do that. That was special right? That's one example is num number
of examples. There's another Hadith enrich ignore Amara, the
Allahu Anhu ordinary that a Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa
sallam
said that the deceased the dead person is punished due to the
crying of his house folk. So if you cry, after somebody dies in
your family, you're the person who is
who has just died that you're crying over he's going to be
punished because you cry. That's what he seems to say. Right?
However, I shudder the Allah one has said that no, she knew the
story. She knew the inside story because she was with the brothers.
She said that no, that was very particular Jewish woman that the
person has stated this about a very particular Jewish woman
upon whom her household was crying, so this is not a general
rule. So you can see now if somebody doesn't know that they've
just heard the one Hadith, they're going to say, Oh,
your disease is going to get a lot of punishment if anybody Christ.
Now we would say that the deceased would be punished if he told
people to cry, and be requested that people cry and make a big
scene at his grave then yes, he would be punished and to wail and
so on, like they used to do, but if he didn't do that, and people
were just doing it, then inshallah he should not be punished. Why
should he be punished? Well, that is it was zero 20 Zero flow. Can
you see how you have a general Hadith or Hadith about a
particular situation that could be maybe misunderstood, to be more
comprehensive about everything. On one occasion, the Prophet
sallallahu sallam was in Juma giving hotbar. And suddenly,
there's a man who came in who look very disheveled and torn clothing
and everything, his name was slake from the Benoit ofan tribe.
And the prophets, Allah, Allah who are in the hotbar, he suddenly
told people to donate. And he stopped.
The hood. According to one narration, he actually stopped the
fatwa as well.
Now, would you do that today? Have a I mean, I shouldn't even promote
this, to be honest. I mean, some of the really fun like, bang in
the middle of the foot when you got everybody's attention. Let's
have a fundraiser.
Did you see what I'm saying? Now, can you take that hadith? No,
because that was an a very extraordinary situation, where
this person was very, very poor, and you could see it, and the
prophets of Allah Azza wanted people to donate there
straightaway. And
all the narrations don't there's several narrations that tell you
this story. One of them it mentions that the program actually
stopped his club but it wasn't done while giving a football
although if you look at the other generations, they actually makes
it seem as though the football was on and the donation was being
given because you're not supposed to do anything during the
football. Can you see it's not a very it's not a very simple thing
that you can just take Hadith and run with it. On one occasion,
there was a janazah going past a funeral beyond the province on
stood up. Some people would think from that that he stood out of
respect
So whenever janazah goes first, you better stand up because that
should now that's what they think. However
it was.
The reason for it was that it was an unbeliever. And the Prophet
sallallahu Sallam did not want that to go over his head. So he
stood up so that it doesn't pass over his head.
Totally different reasonings. There's a hadith about doing wudu
before every meal.
So, who does that?
Hamid do you do will do before you eat? Why not it says in the
Hadith.
So, you see will do is something you guys need to will do literally
just means washing your hands. That's basic will do proper will
do when we say it as a term as a technical term, it means the full
mashallah the fool will do you understand, will do just means to
wash your hands otherwise, so this is what it is wash your hands,
clean yourself before eating. We do that that way. Right. So you do
will do before eating that will do not the big one, right.
So, just to give you examples that this is the Hadith we've
inherited, in some cases very clear that so in some cases, it's
very clear that the first command the person game was abrogated, it
was cancelled. Sometimes the reason one mentioned himself, the
in one Hadith is that I used to prohibit you from visiting
graveyards.
So we know that he used to it was a prohibition, then he said, alarm
for zoo Ruha. However, now you can visit them, you should visit them.
So some cases, it's very clear when something was one way and
then a person did it another way. But in many occasions, it was
the ruling was given to an individual save I would come and
he would give him a ruling or hammered by facials or, you know
they would give different ruling. Now this is if you had heard this
you would tell this is what the person said to me. And if you
heard him What would you say? Wouldn't you say that he's wrong?
No. He told me already Allah one one. Listen to somebody recite in
prayer. Instead, I was so angry that I was going to break my
prayer and stop him. He was reading differently.
So famous Hadith, like I felt like oh my god, I was like, you know,
always. I felt like breaking my prayer to stop him. Then I didn't
ask the prayer said, Where did you set the promises and told me to
read this way? No, but the person told me to read this way. So they
went to the Vice President. Okay, fine. You read. So he read us?
That's right. And then it's all Amara, you read? That's right, as
well. The Quran has been revealed on seven modes, right? So you can
understand that there if that
a certain ruling was given you would stick by that. But and why
would you think that be something different? Because you'd heard it
from the Prophet sallallahu sallam. Now the job of the ODA ma
so now what happens is that in the time of the Sahaba,
they got along with this Amara, the Allahu Allah, whatever issues
came up and became a confusing issue, he would have a committee
of the prominent and educated the movies of the Sahaba and others.
Whenever he needed to, he would consult I shudder the alarm, send
somebody to Asha demons. How's that? What do you think about
this? What was the exact story? And they clarified a number of
issues, but there were lots of other issues that weren't
clarified. So now come the time of the tabby in. So among them, you
have different scholars who had studied with the Sahaba
and others, they started to teach and obviously people's issues
increase, they need more answers. And you don't find all the answers
in what the person said directly because those issues were not had
not arisen in terms of ourselves alone. So Masha Allah in the
different cities of the Muslim world, different scholars started
to do this work of helping people and codifying the Sharia and
responding to people's issues. So give you some names. Who was in
Makkah Makara who was the some of the few big scholars of maca,
maca, Rama? Anybody know? Yes.
No, no, he's he's Madina Munawwara mocha mocha artha ignobly rubber
students of Abdullah and Ibis are the Alon. He's considered one of
the good jurists from them had Morpha Cillian and other things,
right. So in different cities, you had a number of different people.
In Sham, one of their big they have many but one of the biggest
ones whose name came out, kick became well known, who is the
famous scholar of Sham
Imam Ozeri.
One of the most famous booties of Egypt who did the similar work to
Manuel honey Vancouver.
So Imam Malik was doing this in Madina Munawwara in Abu Hanifa was
doing this in Kufa before he Midori started through that people
like him I'm gonna hurry and all that but when it came to Abu
Hanifa it was just mashallah expand
ended and he became the well known in law students. That's why he
became the most well known in Madina. Munawwara was Imam Malik
Rahim Allah and there were others, probably Atul Ray, a lot of
others. But these people, their work expanded and became well
known and was transferred and passed on to others. In Egypt, if
you go there today, one of the most prominent people buried there
is Latham Prasad.
Rahim Allah laid him in the sand. That is where the Egyptian
caravans for hedges to depart from from outside his MACOM. Right. He
was the scholar of Egypt.
You know, you could say the Abu Hanifa of Egypt.
Right.
And then you had other scholars in other towns.
They all basically informally started developing a mantra they
never knew is going to become muddled. They were just responding
to people. They were just answering questions they were just
doing their job.
So now, slowly, slowly.
These four even though Imam Shafi came so much later anymore,
Muhammad even after him mashallah, can you believe it? That's it
Cambodia, because they were older people than them. And they must
have just waned and finished multiple reasons.
Could be that they didn't have enough students to pass it on. You
need to get your message across. You either need social media,
right? There was no social media or students who relate to you. So
Imam Abu Hanifa had some amazing students who want to use of
there's multiple reasons why the Hanafi mother dominated, right.
Some reasons, Mohammed wrote all of these books, but then other
scholars, their students or books, but I think one of the one big
reason was that Imam Abu use of Rahim, Allah as a direction demand
more Hanifa and actually a teacher of Imam Muhammad as well. These
are the three main Hanafi scholars, right Imams, founding
Imams, he became the Cardinal covad, the Chief Justice of the
Abbas empire. And then the Abbas is had this inclination towards
the Hanafis.
Right, so they would generally employ Hanafy judges in the
Abbasids had the world. Our bus, it started in 132 Hijiri. And they
stayed until the six hundreds.
That's like 500 years. Yes, the influence waned afterwards.
Though, they were still the titular heads eventually
afterwards, but initially, they control it in me when you say
Haruna Rasheeda, which are for a monsoon and all of these other
people.
Yes, then we had a little bout of what disease and within them even
then there'll be some 100 fees and monitors. Well, let me not get
into that right now. That could be one of the reasons then after that
some of the major dynasties of the world major ruling families and
ruling factions or rulers of the world.
So in terms of what Arab, you've got the Abbas is dominions, but
our buses are primarily Hanafi leaning omega this kind of before
the madhhab time, they were not the mothers are not been developed
by them. 132 Hijiri and then you had the Seljuks right, primarily
Hanafi although there are some interesting sheffey things going
on in the new normal milk and so on not figured that out yet. And
then you've got the Ottomans came later Ayyubid Swisher phase
because the salah who the man was Kurdish Fatimids Bashir that other
Arabs but then you had the Mamelukes.
Various different mum looks at circadian mum looks and other mom
Luke's Turkic origin samanids Rihanna. He's right up in that was
Becca Stein area, and then the Ottomans for 600 years or what is
it five 600 years all together? Hanafis that could be one of the
reasons why it's hanafin like that. And then you just develop.
So the mud hub for example, in Nigeria robbery Rahima hula, the
mud hub of Ozeri must have ignore Hazama via Haiti, the main hub of
lathe hypnotherapists, the mud hub of no hurry, the mud hub of all
these others that were doing the same work and similar work at the
same time it did not last. That's up to Allah Who He chooses. What
I'm amazed about is Mr. Muhammad came later he's a student of Imam
Shafi and Imam Shafi born on in the year the Mamanuca days, can
you see how much later whereas this effort had started before?
But Masha Allah Allah accepts and I don't know why, you know, you
can obviously go into that, of why that's the case. Now, if you if
you want and you want to follow up, has another hideous malherbe.
Well, you'd have to try to find all of his opinions and then there
must be a very good reason why you want to do that, you know, because
it's just no development. There's no development on that nobody's
developed it. The Hanafi sheffey murky and humbling might have been
developed. And I would probably say that from a fixed perspective
Hanafy
and magic is probably more developed than the chef is. And
then the hamburger is. You can just correct me if I say anything
weird about the hamburgers today
or you put them before.
Okay. I think in terms of Nawaz in the modern novel issues, yeah,
maybe just basic HDHomerun sign. They're very high up there. But in
terms of new issues new fatawa the Maliki's are really up there.
rule under an empire as well. That's true. Yeah, that's right.
The Malik is under the Benoit more than Warabi tune a number of these
North African and Volusia
that Andalusian maids they must have been manicures well then
Mashallah. It's an amazing history you should read get off your
football for a while. Alright, and read this stuff. I'm telling you.
It's amazing. You know, all that cloud in your mind like what
happened? Why can't we be one?
You know, I love it the way it is, because I love to meet my Shafi
brothers and barbecue brothers just have a good discussion. I
celebrate that I enjoy that. But some people they're like, No, it
needs to be one.
Well, look, number one, these differences aren't even a problem.
They're not an Akita difference, because all they are leaders are
the same. They're supposed to be the same. You've had weird
deviance from some of these methods that they were martyrs at
or what else?
Maybe Hawaii ridge.
majeste, improper anthropomorphised or whatever, but
the majority it's always been looked at Raw yeast sorry, this
became a model Raisa, he asked me will Hatha Yoga, Hatha Yoga
Misawa. My opinion is correct, has the potential of being incorrect.
I acknowledge that your opinion is incorrect, but has the potential
of being correct. And you as a Shafi are doing what was required
of you.
I am as a Hanafy, doing what is required of me because the
prophets Allah Some said that the person qualified either shahidul
hacking the person qualified to undertake each Jihad and study and
analyze and derive rulings. As long as they've done their job and
in a qualified way, then whatever conclusion they came up with, it's
either gonna be yes or no, or halal or haram or whatever, right
can only be two options or three options. Only one of them is
actually going to be right, according to Allah.
So let's just take a simple case that somebody comes to me with a
divorce issue.
And it goes to another 50. I say, I think it is a divorce. The other
party said, no, no, I don't think it's a divorce. Who's right?
According to Allah, there must be only one right? They can't both be
right. We're both right. In the sense that we've done what we
supposed to do is to try to find an answer that much that endeavor
is right. But in terms of getting what is right, according to Allah,
only Allah knows that, I'm going to think what my conclusion is, is
right? He's going to think what his conclusion is, right? On the
Day of Judgment, we're going to figure out how the big meeting
with the chef is and handling fees and hamburgers and meetings like
Okay, let's see how many Messiah ill you are writing? How many you
are writing? How many you are writing? You think we're going to
do that?
I doubt it. I don't know. I really think sometime I think they will,
when they've stayed in paradise long enough? I doubt it. I don't I
don't know. I mean, I'd like to see a lot of movies in paradise.
Better love, better battle of words. But then you sometimes
think are we ever going to get away from the distractions of
paradise to even think about this? It's a real conundrum. But
Inshallah, let's get there, then we can we can do that. So Sheikh
Anwar Shah, Kashmiri, who lifelong,
you know, studied the Hadith and tried to defend the Hanafi school
and respond to these things. He said,
Am I going to find out? Are we going to find out who was the
cleric? Because just going back to the heavy the heavy says that if
you do get achieve what is right, according to Allah, you get two
rewards. And if you've got it wrong, you still get one reward
for trying, as long as you're qualified. Right? So now, I guess
when you look at your book of deeds and scrutinizing, we will
find out whether you're right or wrong, you are two rewards for
this one, I got one month for this ones, you'll probably find out
them not as much as they need. Right. So anyway, that's why I
don't think it's going to come together. Because there have been
efforts by the way in the past to try to make it one month.
Was it a Jaffa monsoon? Who tried to do this with the Imam Malik's
Mata that look we'll make this the code of law. So no, no. I said no.
Because you see another wisdom of this Allahu Allah just the wisdom
is that the person is a must have said or done all of these
different things because he did do roughly a day in raising the hands
in the beginning. He did do that multiple times in the prayer even
before sujood and ruku, before and after sujood in between like seven
times, seven times. Shafi is Don't say that 100 Hamburgers don't say
that either. They just
They do it twice extra before and after record, right? What about
when you come back from a sujood? Not not from after surgery when
you stand back up for this second record,
he would say, oh, there's difference of opinion. Okay.
Well, okay, so Hanafy said no even that got abrogated. That was
initially it was done but later it wasn't because we have Hadith we'd
say the prophets Allah, some only did it in the beginning.
They have a hadith we have a hadith, they said that, oh, that
was the final wasted no, this is the final that was before. Can you
see how they reconciled it, we're not disagreeing with that. We're
not saying it never happened. We're just saying that it didn't
happen at the end. It eventually became much more, you know, less
movements.
So, but through the form of that hit all the actions of the profits
or loss of my life.
And that's just the wisdom, but for whatever it's worth. So it's
not going to come to an if I want to put an ontological twist onto
this some people just don't like it. I remember once I was in a
program, some liberals and others is like why can't we just be one
and they were just why can't we be well isolated please stop wasting
your time. We definitely need to minimize any more differences of
opinion we need to stay together and you know, we need to learn to
live together and not let it bother us but it's not all going
to be one because there are some made a DUA and it wasn't accepted.
Remember he made that those three there was two accepted one my Alma
will never differ. That was not accepted. Right. Some people don't
like Dyson know whether so for your leak or Buka fatorda. Right.
They said No, Allah can change. If you change hamdulillah I'm
welcome. Welcome it, but let's not make let's not cry over it. Let's
learn to live so mashallah we have to eats.
I prefer one day.
But I'm completely happy. I mean, you should educate yourself if you
do it the other day, but I will still say Eid Mubarak to you just
don't think it's a big problem until you educate yourself. It's a
reality, just deal with the reality. I'll give you one
example. A friend of mine was an imam in South Africa at a town in
inner city in South Africa. And they were both Sharpies, and
Hanafi is in the community, they will do taraweeh prayer together,
they imagined they brought the library together. And then for the
winter,
one group would stay here and do return, the other one would go
into that room or that room and do it their way. And they were happy
doing this for years, a new Imam came the Savior. And he said this
is a steal off. This is a problem. And he insisted that everybody
start praying together. Hanafi is unhappy if they do it this way.
Shafi is unhappy they do it this way.
Can you see now?
informed they became the same, but the hearts were divided.
So this same Australian brother, right, the same Australian
brother. I said we don't need to now these are some
normal arguments that they had for Merab in the Haram
said Do they still have it said no. So as a way talking about it.
They had it for some time. They don't have it anymore. Why? Why
you? They use these anecdotal issues to make it sound like this
is some biggest love. And then in the past, we have had where
certain mothers have gone have gone a bit hot. And you know,
there's been a bit of an issue, not for the majority. They have
said it will bring that as an excuse from 1300 years or 1200 50
years or 1300 years of this. Oh look, this is what happens. You're
the one creating the Philadelphia stock rating. And to be honest, if
somebody came in to say that you want to follow us Bernie or
Abdulaziz bin buzzer whoever and they want to pray differently.
Mobarak do it. If you've got evidence, do it no problem. The
problem we have is where they say everybody else is wrong.
That is the issue. I have no problem with press person praying
something differently. As long as he knows what he's doing, you
know, he's got some evidence for it is hamdulillah that's why
Mashallah. Among the Salafi is the
the LP selfies were always decent, you could you could discuss with
them.
Right, and they would be willing to entertain, but those which
unfortunately, I think unless they were just the loudest ones, the
majority, they were just like, No, it's the only other way but
Hamdulillah you know, we can say that it's much better now. So I
think
that's the reason why there's only four months left today. And
the humbling method has just got a resurgence. hamdulillah
Insha Allah, Allah must have to stay, but humbly mother was really
really you can say an oppressed Muslim in a sense that those who
are humble is they thought there was something else so I don't
know. But hamdulillah people are turning back to my phones now.
Which is amazing. hamdulillah but it's been such a waste of 25 years
and I
Are you to Allah that Allah doesn't allow us to waste time
because we could have done so much more, you know, the amount of
books that were written on or lectures that were given the
amount of arguments and debates that took place websites, and
SubhanAllah. What a waste of time
saying they're saying is correct, but could be wrong. And it was
incredible to be right suggest that they don't accept hold on and
believe that I am more right in the world.
Bismillah R Rahman Rahim. That's what I was speaking about earlier.
That for you to think that you are definitely more on the right is
necessary. How can I think I'm going to give this fatwa but I'm
wrong? So yes, definitely, the fatwa that a month will give, they
have to think it's more correct. But they're also willing to
acknowledge that it could be wrong.
If we can have a discussion, it could be wrong.
And your method is wrong, meaning your opinion is wrong, but it has
the potential of being correct, if you can prove it. Right. However,
as I mentioned, we're both doing what is correct. Because you had
to undertake the effort to reach a conclusion, and you've done that
you'll be rewarded at least once. And I'm hoping to be rewarded
twice. So they both correct in the sense they've done what they're
supposed to do. But according to Allah, only one of them is
actually correct. And I have to think it's my one otherwise, why
am I following that view?
Anything to add?
Perhaps people, perhaps also, it will help to understand
the words that we're using, right on the truth.
That we can use those words in different ways. So when it's when
we're talking about a mother, or I felt he felt opinion,
then I shut up the hand has said
in the case of two different scholars given two opposite
purpose, this is halal, this is haram. It is a divorce, it's not
the divorce.
And they are both qualified. And they've gone through the necessary
knowledge base criterion to get the fatwa. Then both of them fall
under the Hadith of the process in which you have the Hun indicator
to when a judge strives and makes a judgment and is correct, he will
get two rewards. And if he earns he gets one route.
Who gets to a one? That's the hereafter question. Under no
situation, are they sinful? So in that sense, they are both in the
broad sense on the truth.
They haven't left the truth. However, in the specific sense,
one of them is right. And one of them is wrong. But both of them
are both of them are on the truth such that Allah rewards them is
just that He rewards one of them twice as much. But under no case
does he does Allah consider them to a sinner and a non scholar who
in good faith follows that fatwa, or follows the other fatwa?
Certainly not knowing better trusting the scholar, they too,
are within the broad
sphere of following the truth. And they too, are not sinful. What
I've said here is something on which there is an edge ma a
consensus about that no scholar would differ. Okay. But the point
is, why would they move they give a fatwa.
He is divorced when he when the Mufti believes No actually, he's
not divorced that the Mufti would be sinning then. So of course, you
if a scholar or even an educated layperson, if I, if I can push it
that much, says I choose to be a Hanafi, or a Maliki for x y Zed
reasons rather than a humbly Irish Aarthi. Then inshallah they've
chosen because what they feel might give them closer to the
truth, as opposed to, I'm just a Hanafi because that was the only
lot of scholars in my city, or I'm Maliki because everybody in my
family is a mannequin. Same thing with a layperson, if he if he's a
convert of she's a convert and decides to choose the Maliki or
the Hanafi mother, because it's more easily taught and accessible
or not, or because they feel that it's the truth find Alhamdulillah
then they feel that this is the this is more true than this is
more right than the other one, but it's just but they're not saying
that others are a outside of the truth. So we have to understand
the difference between the general truth and specifically being right
and wrong. And beyond that, it should be plain sailing in Sharma
Imam even Samia has a point he said the errors that
the social harms that will arise from the error of a qualified
score.
Allah is far, far, far less than the error of that social harm that
arises because of being bigoted or jealous or overzealous on the HD
heart of the scholars, because as long as the Scholar does his
thing, it could be her but it does his thing. Then Allah's baraka and
mother does their to rewards a one reward, but it's a reward. It's a
mud.
It's outside factors that make it worse. One more thing, Salafi
scholars, if we are talking about Ben Baza, Barney, Chef, and they
mean
even celebrities don't realize and this is something it's checkable.
So parsley myself with a group of brothers back in late 80s. And
then again in the early 90s. We asked her Barney passed away in
1999 that we in the UK, what should we do? Should we like,
first of all the Salafi scholars? None of them ever said. A
layperson can go back to the Quran and Hadith directly. They consider
that to be worse than fornication. Drinking seems like the rest of
the scholars. Why? Because it's talking about Allah's religion
without knowledge.
Salafi footsoldiers, some of them say that say it, but they have no
precedents from the scholars that they're following. This is this is
very clear.
What they do say which causes confusion is they say, when a
person who studies Fick gets to a particular level, where he can
disagree with his mother for another mother on one issue, then
he has an obligation to differ from his mother for another month
up on that issue, just like apparently Shaohua Lulu did, when
he left 100, your mother for a Sharpie ruling and so on and so
forth. The difficulty with that is even though theoretically, they
are scholars as far as I know, or more or less say the same.
That level of scholarship is almost unattainable, except in one
or two fields by one or two scholars today. And a few more
fields by a few more scholars 100 years ago.
They weren't talking about people who are not qualified in film,
like me who's not even done Iftar or anything like that, who's just
following the score, that Oh, I can now pick and choose because
I've reached that level, and Salafis misunderstand is this is
why Shefali Varney said it. He said for you in the UK, and he
said I visited the UK in the mid 60s. And is as far as Islam and
Eman is concerned. It's a disaster. He said, You should all
make hijra, right. That's what his advice was to us. He said however,
whilst you're packing your bags, he said you should follow the
dominant Fick of what is being taught here. He said because
following qualified Sunni FIP is better than doing DIY HD hard,
because one, you're always going to be under the mother of Allah
and the other one, you're always going to be sinful, even if you're
right. And then he quoted a hadith he said even though fee he know
that he said there's I believe there's some weakness in the
authenticity, but the meaning is correct. When a person interprets
the Quran, who's not qualified, even if he's right, he's sinful.
So if a person who interprets fake and fatwa even if he's right, and
not qualified, even if he's right, he's sinful. That was his advice.
The advice that he gave five years later was, I have written a book.
Based on the top of your mom show, Kenny, I can't remember the name
of the book daughter of Medea. It's an eight is Ed book of fic.
If you want you can follow that.
If it was Damian was always follow the follow up follow your mouth
must have and if you reach a qualified station after 1020
years, then do what is obliged upon you throat for your HDR, even
as the same I actually don't know any of the major Salafi scholars
and the fatwas are available who has ever said to not just the
layperson, but to a half baked student of knowledge, and what the
fuck key that actually go on and way way up the affairs, how that
got into the dour. And why it's become the dominant view for so
many early years, who knows someone maybe can reach that
research and work that out. But from day one ignored, they mean
was as clear as a whistle shattering bars are pretty clear.
I will Barney sometimes you could listen to his fatwas and
misunderstand and sometimes you could get it on the on the.so.
There was a bit of ambiguity there. But none of them actually
said the nonqualified they were
sharing reframing when I when I met him in 1999, six months before
he passed away, and told him that was what was going on. He just
kept on making this the fall. It's the far it's the fire and they
didn't say anything after that, and I felt embarrassed to carry on
the majority school. I kind of be upsetting the share. So we just
left.
Scholars in the same month have carried different views. How does
the lever determine what is what the correct review of the method
is?
Spent today
You're gonna find scholars of the Hanafi school, and that have
differences of opinions.
Those are not necessarily madhhab opinions as such, they're based on
maybe most likely they're going to be based on modern issues. So with
every month, it has to continue to develop, to deal with the modern
issues that come out. And in the last 40 years, or 50 years, the
world has changed, as is never changed before that as much as
that. So there's been lots of issues, you know, everything from
cloning to artificial intelligence,
gender change at the dead, there's just so much. So clearly, there's
good, it's going to be very difficult for all the 100 of us to
agree on one thing, or the chef is to agree on one thing. So what we
generally suggest to individuals in that, that you pick up a group
of one, two, or maybe three scholars within America that you
follow, because there's many scholars in the Hanafi school,
pick one or two of these, and just just go with that, what they say,
otherwise, it's gonna get very confusing to go to different
movies. And get, there's gonna be a lot of confusion or nuts will
come into there and so on. So just an How do you pick these movies,
somebody that you trust for their knowledge, their integrity, their
righteousness, their piety, their past record? And so that's what I
do. You know, I have questions. So I would look up to maybe move the
doll Hawks up. One of my teachers is actually in the UK right now
from South Africa, and Mufti Taqi Usmani will be another person that
I would consult, you know? And so that's what you would do if you're
going to. So today, you're going to have quite a few differences in
many mosyle within the Hanafi schools and scholars themselves,
right? Because it's just inevitable that so many new
issues, how to deal with it. There's a number of questions. Can
you switch it with him? Or can you convince other people to follow
your money? Will you be sinful for doing that? So you can switch your
mother but you can't keep playing musical chairs with it, because
you're not going to get anywhere with that. Once you allow your
knifes to come into that, that okay, I'm going to do this method
because they allow maybe combining between prayers. I'm going to take
this method because they allow selfish shellfish, the creepy
hubba if of the Earth, sorry, of the ocean, right lobsters and
things like that, or for whatever reason, right? That that's not the
right reason to follow. You generally follow based on access,
where you can get answers. I've had cases where you've got
somebody from a Hanafi background, and suddenly I see him doing rough
Alia, then there's a brother, I thought your Hanafi said no, I've
actually become Maliki. So I said, Why are you raising your hands for
them?
Right, Maliki's don't raise their hands either. It's just that you
get some people who are a bit rebellious. They just like to be
different from their community. So he thought it's cool to raise my
hands. So why are you picking another method? Mainly, you should
pick according to access, so that you can actually get somewhere
with your mother, right? Don't just have this idea that oh, this
method is exotic. So I'm going to have this right. It's not one of
those things. It's just real practical. That's what it is. And
number two, if you get a bit more advanced than you, you find the
Lyle the proofs persuasive, a certain amount of mostly across
the board, you like the methodology that will suit because
you've got to that level, then you can change that mother if you want
to. We've had lots of scholars who who've done that, like Amantha,
Harvey and many others. So that's based on academics, but every week
you take a different opinion, or that's the issue. Can you
encourage people towards your method? I would I would only do
that when I see people lost. When people see confused that look,
you've got access to this do this. But if I see somebody who's very
happily Shafi and they've got access, I'm absolutely happy with
that. Right? So you don't want to do anything fanatical. You don't
want to do anything because you think only you will go to Jana.
Right? Or the Eastside Islam is also going to be Hanafy when it
comes right there are some people who believe that maybe he might be
okay, so you don't want to do it for those reasons. But if you want
to share because mashallah you found a source to study and you
found a lot of comfort in that then yes, you can share. It just
depends on why you want to share something.
Less we forget going back to the end of my talk, remember a mud hub
is a means to a goal, the goal is Allah
and it's very difficult other than prayer and a few other details, to
know for example, the difference between Shahab Duran and myself
what is Hanafi? I'm humble. Actually, that forms in one sense
that forms a very
A small part of our Muslim Mr. Life. We don't meet each other we
don't meet you and you don't meet up as Hannah fees are handled, we
meet each other as Muslim brothers.
Secondly, the 6006 and a half 1000 verses of Quran 500 Our Afghan
6000 Our beliefs, history, morals, ethics, spirituality. That's
really what defines us. So this is why it is so practical to have a
curriculum and math home. That tells me tells me the basic halal
and haram tells me that you know what, now that I'm going to start
my big model, not just washing my hand, but Oh, my word overdue for
prayer. That I know there are six conditions in the in the humbly
score six conditions that make my model valid or invalid. If I
fulfill them as valid.
In there are eight obligations eight, we're job in, in in
Bordeaux, that I have to do, but they're not conditions. It's
fantastic, rather than the impossible, the impossible mission
of working that working all of this out from Hadith, or now and
again, listening to a scholar, how many times how much how am I going
to learn all those conditions and I just want to learn the six
conditions and the nine obligations and this that the
other so that I can get it out of the way and I can just do what all
according to what is valid in my Lord's eyes, so that the rest of
my life, I can try to stand before Allah with a heart that praise to
Allah as well, knowing that my fic is sound suddenly filled. So mud
hub actually is something that I just need the easiest way to get
qualified answers and that is mothered.
But beyond that, that doesn't define my Muslim pneus but it is
an essential part of my Muslim pneus Without which, if I don't
have sound outward Fick, the outward rules of prayer that
outward was a fastener, then there is no inward reality. There is no
hacker equal Iman. There is no pseudo there is no dissolve.
So I need the outward and the outward can't be messed around
with you're either a qualified scholar, if you're a knowledgeable
brother, I don't want to know. I want to know are you knowledgeable
enough that you're qualified that I can ask you and won't be sinful
on the Day of Judgment? Because whatever the level of light the
level of the level of striving of the layperson is simply that a
light expects the layperson to do their best to work out. Is that
person a qualified scholar or not? And one of the ways we work that
out is Oh, I heard he graduated from Uppsala University, darling
Durbin's some Islamic University or the everybody in the mosque
lets him lead the prayer and lets him give talks he must be a
scholar. Okay, or that scholar he I know he's a scholar, Mufti Taqi
is a scholar without doubt and move the Turkey said, person X is
a scholar. So now I know Person X is a scholar. There are other ways
as well. Okay, but once I have done my best to realize he is a
scholar, I can ask him
my follow up questions what my basic FIQ okay, yes, Hanafi
scholars are going to differ about cryptocurrency and trans,
transgender humanism, and all that business as well, other scholars,
but what they probably are assaulted on, is this is how you
do will do. And this is how you pray. And these are the 10 five
things that break your fast. And that will be the case with all
mothers, so practically stick to a Sunday mother. And practically it
has to be the one that you can access. If I don't speak Arabic is
very difficult for you to access humbly scorn. There are a few
humbly texts in English now over the last four years. But they need
commentary, and there are very few humbly chef's teaching in this
country. In this country. 90% of the Muslims have an Hanafi
attachment.
There is a large Shafi contingency in the last 10 years there's been
a growing Maliki contingency. And all those three month hubs are
very practical to learn the Hanafi being the most practical, and more
Hanafi mosques and there are corner shops in the UK
Alhamdulillah. So be practical. Why because you want your mil
Muslim nurse and how we stand before Allah with a purified heart
is really what I want to get to. And I just have to get my foot out
of the way. And I know it sounds bad, get fit out of the way but
that really is what it is, at the end of the day in the bigger
scheme of things. If I've said on your show that most people correct
me.
Now just like a locker for that, see being 100 or whatever is not
an identity. You know, nowadays in the modern world, you've got a
certain inclination, whether that be sexual or otherwise that
becomes your identity. You have to fly the flag for it everywhere.
That's not the point to you. To be honest, I don't even think of 100
feet. I don't think that I'm 100 feet every day. Do you understand
is like hey, I'm 100 feet today, you know, and I need to do this
because I'm hungry.
He's just, that's what I've studied. That's what I know.
That's how I practice Alhamdulillah. And I feel
comfortable about that. The only time that I need to do is if I'm
teaching in an educational setting, right? Or if I need to
have a question, or if I need to go into other modalities and see
what they say when we're writing a fatwa, maybe I have to deal with a
bit more because every day we're dealing when we're teaching fatwa,
right, we have to deal with it. But otherwise, in my personal
life, I never have to even think about Hanafy it's not one of those
things you you wear on your sleeve or something. It's just that
you've got it done. It's a tool. And mashallah, then you focus on?
What is the what are the most important aspects of life?
Because one more question
for both halves are correct, then why can't we mix and match? Is it
really that bad?
I don't think I answered that, in particular, but I think it would
be cheating. If you did that.
If you basically just pick and choose, there's multiple reasons
why you shouldn't be doing that. Most of the time, I mean, the
extrinsic reasons are that it's just you're basically looking for
ease. And it's not ease that we look for all the time with that is
a factor. But we should be looking for the truth, and the most
important aspects. That's one reason, you're not going to have
any consistency in that regard. And understand this, this is the
real reason, if I have if I, for example, take the Shafee view that
blood bleeding does not break the will do. And I take the Hanafy
view that touching my wife will not break my will do though the
Shafi say will and the Hanafi say about bleeding that it will break
while the Shafi say does not break, so I'm going to take the
easy ones on both side. Why not? They both done their job, it's
fine, I should be able take it right. Problem is I'm taking
conclusions from two different frameworks that are contradictory
to one another. So I'm taking
solutions and conclusions that suit me. But they're both based on
different frameworks that are probably different to one another.
And that's cheating, let me at least be consistent in the
framework that I'm going to take from because the same chef a
framework that led them to say that bleeding does not break the
will do lead them to say that touching man touching woman does
break their will do same framework they using that reached allowed
them to reach those conclusions. So what I'm doing is I'm taking
one of their conclusions here, but I'm ignoring the other one based
on that framework. And I'm taking the Hanafi
framework on one of the answers and not the other one. So that's
cheating. That's just like doing half off here and there. That's a
major academic problem. Right? That's another reason. And believe
me, you will end up getting confused yourself, what will be
your criteria?
What will be your criteria of when you will choose? And the other
question is that if I read some Shafi
defense, I'm like, wow. Mashallah. And then I go and read the Hanafi
defense, and I'm like, Okay, I'll say 100 feet. Because mashallah
they both give some really good all of them give some really good
opinions, then how are you going to decide which one is What do you
have the prerequisite knowledge to decide that I want to prefer this?
Oh, it sounds good to me. So what if it sounds good to you?
Now, what is the basis? What's your criteria, there's going to be
no consistency in that regard as well.
Not only will there'll be no consistency, at some point,
more than likely, desires will be followed and some type of it's
called malefic. In the in the, in the religious vocabulary, this
joining together, will be done in a wrong way.
And there are two spiritual points about that. So leaving the
academic, theological juristic points that shall have that
foundation, the two theological points are first, Allah required
of the non scholar that they asked when they don't know.
Our duty is just to ask not ask loads of people, and then pick and
choose and mix and match. Ask someone who I believe is a
qualified scholar, or follow a score, which is doing the same
thing except it's doing it in loads of issues, and just act upon
it. Ask in order to act, not ask in order to write I'll keep that
on the shelf, then I'll ask someone else and us and then I'll
choose because the Quran doesn't say that, that's all. So that's
point one it would not be doing
in quantum dots at the moment ask that people have knowledge if you
don't know. The second point. It goes back down to what some of the
scholars have said they more or less all said it but not as
explicitly as this
Various a seal behind a T bar there is a secret. There is a
higher purpose behind this thing of a bane?
Does Allah really is religion? is Islam just about obeying obeying a
set of rules? Even if it's a set of Madhab rules? Is that really
what Islam is about?
Or does Allah subhanaw taala want us to obey those set of rules
because hopefully if we do it sincerely enough, they will lead
to a genuine inward inward realignment and a purification of
the heart.
Yo Mala young man and while other known Illuminati Allah because
I've been selling the Quran since that day when that day meaning
that their judgment when neither wealth nor children will benefit
anyone except he who comes to Allah with it, sound heart,
the outward fic done with good intention that I want to obey my
Lord and worship my lord upon sound knowledge.
That is part of inward purification.
Because I'm trying to put my enough's my lower self
under a higher principle, which is following revelation through the
medium of scholars when it comes to film, but not through the
medium of scholars when it comes to basic morals and basic
religion. But now put my desires, my wins my ego, as the criteria
and that will judge revelation.
And so it's important that we remember the Sira bit about the
secret or the wisdom behind following
scholarly proof and tradition is young Roger insan Minh Murad in
FC, El Mirage era that we learn to give up our our own desires and
likes, and align them with the likes and the love of our Lord
Subhan Allah to Allah and the mother has been not just
academically successful, but it has been practically successful
because it has gelled the Muslim communities together for close to
1400 years. The non Madhab wives
share Hello Barney, in the last years of his life has at least
three sittings where he says,
unfortunately,
most regrettably the this is his view and whether we may not share,
share it. He says the Salafi dour and the Salafi knowledge of this
essay, and this is the eighth and this is this has moved on quite
well. But the tarbiyah has been a disaster even up until now.
And what was he talking about? Actually, my personal opinion is
that tiny bit goes down to the Salafi knowledge. There's a
question about this, but leaving that that Tobia because actually
get leave the mud hubs even if you were to say follow up in bars, a
little Barney bro they mean but it doesn't become that that's why you
find amongst even well intended Salafis, the rivalry the faction
between them. If you have nothing since you think you got it bad.
Try being a salty, who actually deviates from the line of another
Salafi and you will know what bad is.
And it's something that the scholars themselves recognize. And
it's something that they bang their heads against for the last
10 years of their life. And what's quite upsetting is so they're all
in their 80s they die in 1999 Ben bars mine tonight tonight, tonight
and item and ignore theme in 2000. And the first two are in the
middle of the season. The second one is just in his early 80s. And
they pass away. And they've never seen such disunity, fracture ism
and schisms as they did with these people who call themselves
selfies, and that's why he brought fame in was forced to say look,
there's an obligation to follow the edge mount of the solid here
is the HTML of the solid, but that block called Summer fees no. And
he says notice the difference that each amount of the self and then
his called the seller fees follow the seller, not the seller fees.
Now people work pit seller fees are working out who was even a
famous painter was it the mud collies was this was at the
sorority? No, no, he was just saying, look, you've messed it
out. And and that same fatwa says, you're deferring over he hardly
matters. It's not permissible, valid, he hardly matters. Two
rules, one rule but Allah asthma did. This can only happen when we
lose Allah as our goal.
And I don't want to scare us, but it can easily be done. We can
start off with Allah and end up something. And that's May Allah
save us and
I've just before that last question, I just want to get this.
This book fiplima This question first. I might forget it. And
we'll end on this isn't it?
This quickly mama Chaka Khan that he is 1994. You said, I think so.
So roundabout 1995 I was in one of the book shops in London. So I
mean, book shops in London was a very few book shops at that time.
There was a young Salafi brother in the bookshop, and I thought,
You know what, I know this sounds funny if your brother is
argumentative, and I'm Salafi, but you know, I just don't like the
I've never been like that.
Let me just, it's a small bookshop. I'll stand over in the
corner. And I did see this brother is picks it and I didn't know
about this book.
There's a brother has come in, and the lady says, Oh, this is good.
It's written by a Hanafi scholar, and it gives you the proofs for
Hanafi FIP. And I thought, Oh, at last someone's done something
because remember, I said, I wish that the 100 thieves would defend
themselves instead of just getting punched by Sunday fees all the
time and say, Please punch me. So here is a, you know, someone put
on the gloves. So I was paying attention. This brother is trying
to convince this one if your brother he realizes that this is
100 brother, I says why don't you do Rifai a day? And I don't know
how long this Hanafi brother had this book in his hand. But he's
got to the point where the proofs, the Hanafi proofs of not raising
your hand except at the beginning at the tough bit.
Why? You know what the Prusa he said, Well, according to this
book, Nima where he was the name that I had never heard, share, and
Nima, we said something something that's all I remember. SCHEFFER.
No, we said something, something something about this Eddie,
leaving it in Massoud and Timothy and whatever.
And I thought, this is interesting. I will I just want to
know from my own knowledge, what this son of you brother will say,
because the Sunday people are gonna say, look, leave this if I
give you a headache, the process and you need to act upon it. Who
is your soul? Abu Hanifa or Mohamed salah. And then the
brother again, by then you know, the book, he said, Yeah, but I
couldn't shake hands. Nima we
did. And so therefore, this is the Hadith. While you don't.
The brother said,
Okay, me to go back and ask my scholars. And at that point, I
moved across on the end of the bookshop. T I said, Hold on a
minute, I can't leave this house, is it okay for you to go back to
ask your scholars whether the memory is correct or not, or
whatever. But some, this brother has to follow the Hadith right
now. Okay, without doing anything, how comes you can go back and
check and whatever. And you can just double standards and double
standards is the type of hypocrisy my brother, I said, either you
allow him to go back and say why he doesn't have to act on the
Hadith of the phenomenon Buhari, but the sheriff is due,
or you have to right now, change your way of praying, okay. And if
it's answered prayer, which is going to be answered prayer, you
and I will go downstairs in the basement and you will pray but you
will leave that part of the prayer. And it was a part of the
prayer not doing refire then that Sunday peace finding incredibly
excruciating not to do. But it occurred to me that this is not a
matter of not. I mean, it is a matter of knowledge, but it's more
a matter of the heart.
So this book became my standard argument as well. And I would then
go around telling Hannity's, even though I'm Salafi at that time,
and I was studying, unbelieving. I said that usually to read this
book, you need to read this book, and it used to really upset me a
lot, and actually still upsets me even now. Why is it that something
like this, I mean, it's a shame that he's here because I know
embarrassing to share. But I have said this to
brother Yahia buffer of wrath publications. Why is it that books
like this aren't in every Masjid? Just like cifre to socialize and
see for the salaam Scheffel and Bernie Rahmatullah Ali is kind of
accessible in every Salafi Masjid. This is more deserving.
Okay. Why? And how are we going to, and it's not because we want
to walk, it says that some people you can talk to, and some people
who just have to say, look, new movie sets. I don't even know who
that is right. Now, when we said so. And Hollis. And unless you
have a quote, squabble with him, then please, let's, let's just
have a Donner kebab. There's a really good question on line,
right. In terms of the different methods, what is it that actually
differs between them? Is it how they use different sources and how
they value different sources? And does that mean the Hanafi scholars
looking at a problem when he or she always come to the same
solutions? And will they come to the same solution as others
follows the same? Is this another reason why you should follow a
specific method and framework is coming to conclusion the same
every time and there is sense of consistency in regard to decision
making? Yes, I think that's exactly what it is. They may not
always come to the same solution, especially on new and modern
issues. But yes, for the broad, broadly speaking, they're using
it's the way they look at Hadith, they look at the narrator's they
look at
it
Who's narrating from who sometimes it goes into that kind of depth
they look at. So you take any one issue and then find all the Hadith
on the subject, there could be 30 Different narrations with slight
differences, some with more detail than others. So you look at all of
them. And then you look at the strength of each of them. You look
at how others have taken them, and so on. And then eventually they'll
make a judgement. So there's different criteria and the way
they look at all of these sort of honeybees are located differently
from the shower. That's exactly what it is. And I would suggest
that you read this book if you're interested in understand why there
is differences. This is what opened up my mind is like shakes
the Korea candleberry Right. I think somebody mentioned his name,
Rahim Allah, the difference of the Imams, he starts from time with
the Sahaba and just goes down to show many, many examples of why
there's even a difference so that, you know, you don't feel like it's
a bad thing anymore, that it's just inevitable. That is the
reality and that's what it is.
1996 I just I just realized 1996
On that point as well, that one of the books that kind of changed,
changed me. This book was an outline by my manager career
amateur that late, but shallowly allows in Saffy, Bian Subbable if
they laugh, the reasons behind the juristic differences. I read an
audible, small booklet, an audible translation of that with the help
of my late father at Hampton alley, and I was just blown away
of how he discussed that.
In the last 10 years, or 12 years, someone has translated this book
into reasonably good English. It's a really good read.
But I would say start with this book. For those who aren't readers
or academics. This book is fantastic. What she had her hand
mentioned, but those who have got a kind of academic mind and kind
of really, shallowly Allah's book is just so well done. It's just a
staple diet. In fact, just talking about Salafi scholars, Chef
Advani, I once heard on a recorded cassette tape I know you youngest
won't know what a cassette tape is, but on an on an audio file. I
heard shareholder Barney say that this book is unique in its in the
way it's written and how he's condensed the topic that was years
after had already read it.
So there is more to some of the Salafi scholars. I sometimes do
feel that Salafis make it worse than what their scholars have
actually said.
But she had their hand did start on a good note that things have
got better in Sharla to Anna and anyway, you we can't have life
smooth sailing. You know we need something to kind of keep us alert
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