Abdullah al Andalusi – Nigel Farage vs – Has Israel a right to exist – Is Free Palestine antisemitic
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The speakers discuss the Islamic paradigm's stance on equal rights and the bleeding community's portrayal of racism. They criticize the Israeli government's stance on the rights of Jewish people and express concern over the use of racist language in recent events. The Tories and Likud parties are expected to lead the conflict between Tories and Likud, and negotiations with Netanyahu may be possible. The Tories seek clarification on " Freebound" in the solution, while the Likud push for unity.
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What you're about to see is me on
the right wing news platform GB News discussing
with Nigel Farage
the rights of the Palestinians and engaging him
on some of his red herring arguments that
are designed to distract away from the pressing
issue of the Palestinians and the oppression and
genocide they're facing. During this discussion, I bring
up the point that if the West believes
in equal rights, that it should give equal
rights to Palestinians along with Jews in the
land of Palestine.
This is because the west holds this as
a criteria of good and bad, and yet
they're not being consistent with it. And of
course, if you're not being consistent with your
values, this is one definition of injustice is
not to be consistent in what you believe
to be good. The Islamic paradigm, however, does
not consider equal rights to be the basis
for justice per se. Because if their rights
were bad, making sure everyone's equal in them
doesn't mean that everyone's going to get justice
nor will the laws do justice to human
nature. So things can be equally bad for
everybody. It doesn't mean it's right just because
it's all equal.
Also not all things are the same even
if they might appear so. So for example,
it's for this reason that we don't insist
Christians stop eating pork in Islamic system because
Christians don't believe in Islam and are therefore
not under Islamic laws and rules whereas Muslims
would be. The same law would not be
applied on them as applied on Muslims. So
the Islamic paradigm is based upon the command
of the creator of the universe. He's the
only one who can issue
laws designed for human nature perfectly and is
the basis for good and bad by his
decree. So this is the Islamic paradigm
But here you'll see me engaging the western
paradigm and demanding they be consistent in it,
extending that consistency to Palestinians
if they claim to believe in those values
so much. So without further ado, enjoy the
show. Now we debated earlier,
you know, the fact that many people, many
Jewish people in Britain feel they've been discriminated
against. It was rather backed up with the
behavior, I think, of border force at Manchester
Airport and British foreign policy has shifted. Have
we betrayed Israel? Well, I'm joined by the
cofounder of the Muslim debate initiative, Abdullah
al Andalusi, who's back on the program. Yeah.
Do you understand
why Jewish people in this country are beginning
to feel threatened,
and very uncomfortable?
Well, I can't speak to people's internal mental
states,
but what I've many Jewish people have told
me, that there's a there's a, a propaganda
that's incited by,
Israel, that,
Jews should not feel
safe, in the presence of people,
merely calling for the rights of Palestinians or
somehow the rights of Palestinians are inimicable,
to Jewish nationhood, which is not true. Isn't
it? And this is no. It's not. Of
course, what the rights of Palestinians is in
terms of Let's just get to the bottom
of this. Yeah. So, you know, would you
recognize
would you recognize
that and we can argue about the borders,
but would you recognize that the state of
Israel should exist?
No states have a right to exist. People
have a right to exist. States are are
imagination are things we imagine in our in
our minds,
are mental constructs. They don't have a physical
reality. Well, normally, they Humans. Humans have physical
reality. Ranges. They have. We're in Ireland. So
very often geography is part of this too.
You're talking about the Earth's crust. Alright? And
the Earth's crust exist indeed, and the midlands
exist. But people exist physically, and people have
a right to exist. Right. Whether they're Jewish,
Muslim, Christian, Palestine, Arab, or whomever. Just say
And that is what this is all about.
It's about the Palestinian's right to exist Israel
exists. With dignity.
And ethical rights. Israel exists as a state.
Does it have a right to exist?
As I said before, no state has a
right to exist. Only people has or have
a right to exist. Not really an answer,
is it? No. It is an answer because
that
It's it's it's it's a state. It falls
within the substate of states from the rest
of the states. I'm saying that nation states
don't have a right to exist. People have
a right to exist. Agree with that at
all. People form together in nation states. The
Jewish people have formed together in and I
understand,
complex history over 2000 years and all the
rest. I mean, the point is this,
Abdullah,
that, you know, from the river to the
sea that that was put up on the
Elizabeth Tower, that's been chanted and marches weekend
after weekend, even the kindest interpretation of that
is that it is about the abolition of
the current state of Israel.
Well, look, we were all about the abolition
of the,
of the state of South Africa as an
apartheid state changing it into a an inclusive
state. Which it is. So, now it is.
Yeah. But before, the fact that the Tories
were all against against that. So, if you're
saying to me that should we be against,
Israel is currently formed as an ethnonationalist state
privileging
one ethnic group, one group of Semites over
all the Semites,
then I I think this should this should
change. All Semites in the land of Palestine,
be they Palestinian Arabs or Jews,
should at the very minimum have,
an equal dignity, equal tolerance, equal rights, and
equal freedom to go about. The Likud party,
why don't you condemn the Likud party who's
their their one of their their their formal
statements, and on their manifesto is from the
the from the Jordan River to the sea,
it will only be Israeli sovereignty. Right? So
is that genocidal then? Oh, no one talks
about that. No. No. No. No. Look. I
would love to see a 2 state solution
and a compromise, but my problem with this
is my problem with this is and we
had, you know, Ralphie Blum on from Manchester,
but I I know you were delayed getting
here a bit earlier, saying that many of
the other things that have been chanted in
the streets, I mean, are basically death to
the Jews. Do you understand why the Jewish
community are concerned?
Well, if you'd like to show me video
footage,
of anyone chanting anything that is a racist,
a juvenile, and so on, if it exists.
But guess what? I have not seen it.
I've looked at all the footages. I've even
looked at GB News' footage and so on.
Yeah. And you never see anyone Mhmm. Even
you guys don't show anyone So citing racist
or genocidal I don't statements. I think the
I think the sort of Are you saying
the free Palestine is a genocidal statement? I
think the I think that the, glider images
on the back of the anoraks were pretty
unpleasant, didn't you?
Well, for 1 for 1 individual, it's the
glider image. Yeah. And the police the the
police dealt with those those 2 individuals out
of 100 of 1000 of individuals.
Right? Are are you really going to judge
a lot of 100,000
people by 1 or 2 individuals?
Which the law dealt with. We have showed
a lot of footage over time of chanting
in the streets of many other things that
normally would not be deemed to be acceptable.
Where does all this end in your opinion?
Because,
obviously, is free Palestine saying free Palestine
a statement that you'd condemned? Not just free
Palestine on its own. No. It's everything it's
things that go around that. Like like what?
The abolition of a party? Well, from the
Of treating Palestinians as second class citizens. The
fact that from the river to the
sea has some quite deep connotations when it's
put in a pre Palestinian context. Yeah. Freedom
for everybody. But what's wrong with that? The
United Nations last night passed a resolution Yeah.
Calling on a ceasefire,
and I'm not condemning it because
it did very explicitly say in the resolution
that the hostages
should be released.
Do you think there's any possibility
of negotiations
with Netanyahu?
Well, that remains to be seen because, his
rather, hard right stance
of,
of denying the Palestinians,
any
any state for themselves,
denying them even a one state solution or
just giving them equal rights in the first
place because they'd say that would make a
51% Palestinian majority state, and they don't want
that because of their ethnonationalist
racist policies.
This means that it's very difficult Well to
to,
have any hope of Netanyahu. All we can
hope for is that the the the international
community
and many in the Israeli public themselves pressure
the government to bring to negotiations
to free the the the Jewish hostages that
are held by, Hamas and to free the
3,558
Palestinian hostages
held by the Israeli government under the the
Israelis to detention. Whether the Israelis are racist
or whether they're just battling for self survival,
surrounded by people,
and and, you know, not too far away
around and others that wanna destroy them remains
to be seen. I'm not saying Israeli is
Israeli is in general race. I'm saying that
the Israeli government
has has very publicly avowed racist policies about
wanting to maintain a a, a Jewish majority.
If that that entails,
denying Palestinians,
equal citizenship in the territories that Israel claims
are theirs. If you have people living in
your territory and you say it's theirs, it
belongs to yourself. No. I Give them equal
citizenship then. I understand
I understand the boundary issue. I get that,
Abdul. The only thing that your conversation with
me proves, and equally the conversation we had
earlier, is that there's no end to this
coming anytime soon, I'm afraid. In a moment.