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John Gilbert Leonard, the founder of modern European Islam, struggles in politics and views on spirituality. He discusses various spiritual and spiritual classics, including experiences with nature, religion, and spirituality. He also emphasizes the importance of trusting oneself and avoiding hesitation in achieving acceptance. In a later story, a man wants to protect a marine from overwhelming effects and shaping it from the "retaliatory" elements.

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			Bismillah Alhamdulillah wa salatu
salam, ala Rasulillah was early,
		
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			he was so happy he won and voila.
		
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			So in this series of paradigms of
leadership, we have been
		
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			more recently looking at some more
recent figures, not because things
		
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			get better, historically, usually
a rule of entropy seems to apply.
		
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			But because it tends to be easier
for us to empathize with, learn
		
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			from people who to some extent,
inhabit a world that's a bit like
		
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			our own. So we looked at
Abdulhadi, ugly, in many ways, the
		
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			founder of modern European Islam.
And then we looked at SHEIKH AHMED
		
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			Bullock, first imam of the mosque
in Oxford. And
		
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			even though they are not remember
Buhari or sharp at the NOC bound,
		
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			or Emmanuel finale, the recent
pneus of their story somehow
		
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			brings them to life more vividly.
And so I'm going to continue along
		
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			those lines today by speaking
about a parallel life one, which
		
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			in some ways intersects with
		
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			that which reflects a different
pattern. Not a pattern of light
		
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			coming to the west, but of
something moving in the opposite
		
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			direction, rather less common
process. So I'm going to be
		
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			speaking about John Gilbert
Leonard, also known as
		
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			Shahidullah, for reading.
		
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			It's
		
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			not always easy to determine the
details of his life, so to do the
		
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			boring historians thing and to
grumble about the sources, even
		
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			though he dies in 1978, and one
can still meet people who knew
		
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			him.
		
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			He never wrote or spoke much about
himself. This is often a problem
		
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			dealing with people whose minds
are not on themselves.
		
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			There's no autobiography. seldom
does he make autobiographical
		
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			remarks in his multiples art is
public pronouncements.
		
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			But there has been recently a very
nice, well researched biography of
		
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			him by Sikandar and Samina Agim,
published in Karachi. And
		
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			unfortunately, you can't get it
here, even by the wiles of Amazon.
		
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			It's really hard to get hold off,
but maybe inshallah it will reach
		
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			us one day, but you can buy it in
bookshops in Pakistan, and I would
		
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			recommend it.
		
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			Also, over the years, as my
		
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			interest in him has become known,
I've been communicated with by
		
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			some people who knew him or whose
families knew him who shared with
		
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			me certain anecdotes and Reports
which have helped to fill in my
		
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			picture of his life.
		
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			So let us proceed with the
biography and indicate aspects of
		
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			his leadership. As we've said,
it's not quite the Islamic world,
		
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			but the way in which he was
regarded as a leader by what came
		
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			to be many, many 1000s of people
and a legacy that continues to
		
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			this day.
		
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			So he is British, and his father
		
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			was born in Sydney, but spends
most of his life in England is
		
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			William Leonard, born in 1888.
Father served in World War One in
		
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			the military police, but leaves
the army early because of deafness
		
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			goes into business and becomes a
hugely successful businessman in
		
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			the paper manufacturing trade.
		
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			And also a property speculator
becomes head of the European paper
		
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			Merchants Association, which I
believe is still in existence in
		
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			1911. He marries the sheiks
mother, Ruth Kathleen Leonard,
		
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			and the union is blessed with
three sons and a daughter. The
		
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			last of them to die the daughter
Kathleen died in 2001 in Paris
		
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			where she was living in conditions
of some prosperity.
		
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			They had a very large house as you
would expect in Willesden house
		
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			was bombed during the war. It
seems no longer to be in existence
		
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			234 Willesden lane, so no
possibility of a blue block there
		
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			and unfortunately, your green
block perhaps might be
		
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			interesting.
		
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			And so the middle son, the second
son
		
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			John Gilbert is born on the 11th
of March 1915.
		
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			And is two years younger than his
older brother William. But the two
		
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			are very, very close doesn't
always happen with siblings, but
		
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			in their case, it's an important
aspect of their spiritual growth
		
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			together. They're not twins, but
in many ways, they are more than
		
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			just siblings. We are told that
when they were young, they used to
		
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			go out for walks together that
they had a propensity for nature.
		
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			They didn't like going in their
father's car with his driver they
		
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			prefer to walk. All three boys
were sent to Shrewsbury School. In
		
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			the 1920s Shrewsbury School one of
those ancient English public
		
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			schools I think Michael Heseltine
was there people like that and
		
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			establishment public school.
		
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			And he does the usual things in
the school records indicate that
		
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			he was in the school cricket team
in the classical six. So he was a
		
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			classicist to Grecian Latinus. To
training the Officers Training
		
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			Corps.
		
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			divinity and Chapel were
compulsory. So he knew his Bible,
		
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			very much a product of the heyday
of the British system. But there's
		
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			also the roaring 20s, the age of
postwar flapper, let it all hang
		
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			out hedonism. And there are early
signs that the two of them
		
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			possibly through their communing
with nature, but not through any
		
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			kind of family urging, because it
seems that the parents were not
		
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			observant Catholics even there was
a kind of default to Catholicism
		
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			in the and of course, Shrewsbury
is an Anglican foundation, that
		
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			they start reading religious stuff
together and theology.
		
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			So later on, he writes things like
this. God's oneness and faith are
		
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			part of our nature. He's talking
about the fitrah. Sometimes his
		
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			inspiration arises in our hearts,
that kind of inner invitation, men
		
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			soul is inclined towards oneness.
		
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			Because Oxford, becomes an
undergraduate, serious minded
		
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			young man and begins a
correspondence with none other
		
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			than vagin or as early as 1934.
And he is only 19 at the time. But
		
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			again, always happy to reply,
again, or you may recall is the
		
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			French comparative religion is to
is converted to Islam and
		
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			initiated into the shadowy 30 or
by even a Gwalia, who we spoke
		
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			about electoral two ago. So
there's a connection there and
		
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			again on continues to pop up in
the story of significant 20th
		
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			century
		
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			European Muslims
		
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			indicated the line that links on
modern day European Muslims like
		
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			shells on his release, his books
are quite influential to most of
		
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			us. So back to Ghana, back to
actually back to Shahabi Rahman,
		
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			Alicia Kabir, back to Abloh
cardiologists at URI with his
		
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			famous letter to the French in
which he proposes that the East
		
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			West conflict can be turned into
some something more positive, with
		
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			both sides retaining their own
spiritual integrity. And that sort
		
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			of dialogical authenticity has
often characterized the works of
		
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			many European Muslim authors. So
And incidentally, genau still so
		
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			influential. Prince Charles reads
again, or Steve Bannon reads
		
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			Ghana, all kinds of people, not
just people on the Looney Tunes,
		
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			right? But
		
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			still imprinted, influential
Chicago idea here.
		
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			And the significance of general
tends to be that unlike a lot of
		
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			syncretistic, comparative
religionists, proto New Age
		
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			thinkers, again, always insistence
that in order to make spiritual
		
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			growth, you have to make a
significant spiritual commitment
		
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			to a single religion. This chop
and change, new age thing, little
		
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			bit of yoga, a little bit of Feng
Shui, perhaps a bit of hippie
		
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			Christianity mixed up together to
suit the zeitgeist of the 1960s is
		
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			absolutely not. What tradition
with a capital T is all about, and
		
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			generals works have achieved that
more than I think they've achieved
		
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			anything else. Just last week, I
was on a train to Leeds got
		
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			talking to a young Cameroonian guy
called Ebenezer never met Ebenezer
		
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			before and he was a great fan of
Guinness. So we're talking about
		
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			gain or what gain are made of
modernism and Freemasonry and
		
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			interesting so a lot of
		
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			People still and because of the
guy bought was bought up a
		
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			Christian but you can't read Ghana
and be Islamophobic going off to
		
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			you is that if you're seriously
interested in religion in the
		
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			modern age, the practices of Islam
where you have to go because
		
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			they're more intact
		
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			and this is a common theme for
European Islam I think if you look
		
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			at John Butz new autobiography, a
Talibs Tale, which is interesting
		
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			account of how he also brought up
a Catholic, went to Stonyhurst,
		
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			the Jesuit school and was actually
thrown out of Stonyhurst
		
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			lost his interest in Catholic
Christianity after Vatican to the
		
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			mid 1960s. When they changed the
liturgy, the Latin Mass with all
		
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			of its bling and splendor and
reverence was gone to be replaced
		
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			by various sort of slightly
Protestant ties vernacular
		
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			liturgies. And he said after that
he knew that Catholicism wasn't
		
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			spiritually serious. You can
imagine what a fuss Muslims would
		
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			make if some council of ministers
decided oh, in future you're going
		
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			to sit read your numbers in
English. And the Imam is going to
		
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			be facing the congregation. Not
with the congregation facing the
		
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			divine mystery and all kinds of
other up to date. With it tree
		
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			innovations, hearts would be
broken. But thankfully, we don't
		
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			have a Vatican or a papacy. Nobody
has the right to fiddle with our
		
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			core practices in that way. Pope
Francis is putting the boot in
		
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			spree spectacularly with the new
		
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			Motu Proprio that he issued a few
months ago that's got the latin
		
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			mass society in tears. It's a big
kerfuffle, if you look at Catholic
		
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			websites, they feel that they're
losing something that they've
		
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			always had to be replaced by
something
		
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			mediocre and modern.
		
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			But again, I was point was that
you can't do that to Islam. Nobody
		
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			does it to Islam, because the
liturgy is intact, and that why
		
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			it's the appropriate place for
spiritually serious people in this
		
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			age, because its its forms are
intact.
		
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			Anyway, so again, on
interestingly, is an early
		
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			influence. And at that time, Ghana
wasn't translated into English and
		
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			the books hadn't been written yet.
This was the mid 1930s and general
		
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			Dyson 20 years later.
		
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			So, a serious minded young man in
Oxford starts reading Orientalist
		
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			texts as well, of different
traditions. But particularly this
		
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			is one of the golden ages of
Islamic Studies, Sufi translation,
		
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			particularly Margaret Smith and
Reynold Nicholson here in
		
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			Cambridge.
		
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			Smith, I think was also at Girton
for a while, kind of tweedy lady
		
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			who could be seen cycling around
on her way to church while writing
		
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			books about Robert either way, but
one of the first people to bring
		
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			that to the light of a non
specialist public. And Nicholson,
		
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			of course, just 100 yards from the
Harvey Road, translated the
		
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			Masnavi into English, which has
always been a kind of source of
		
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			spiritual radiation attracting all
manner of people. One of the great
		
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			events of Oriental Studies really
one of the few areas in which is
		
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			impacted a very wide public has
been Nicholson's translation of
		
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			the machinery. But
		
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			the main influence seems to have
been Nicholson's earlier
		
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			translation, which was off the
cashflow module of eliquid weary,
		
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			which becomes an important text
for Leonard stroke for Edie for
		
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			the rest of his life.
		
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			This is an element of men whose
weary dies in 1072, a very early
		
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			Persian Sufi manual.
		
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			So, for Edie, eventually with his
disciples in Karachi, teaches who
		
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			to query extensively
		
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			reading it in Persian usually and
then expounding it in order. So
		
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			this is one of the things that he
says later on, which varies mode
		
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			of exposition is evident, usually
start with relevant quotations
		
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			from the Quran and the traditions
of the Holy Prophet salAllahu
		
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			alayhi wasallam and then proceeds
to his own analysis,
		
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			interspersed with numerous
references to the dicta of the
		
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			saints.
		
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			He seems to have very definite
views on every aspect of the
		
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			spiritual way, but shows no
narrowmindedness and always gives
		
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			full mentioned to any differing
opinions. He appears to be a
		
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			master of dogmatic theology and
McCallum and frequently quotes its
		
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			judgments and argumentations
throughout the book. So the
		
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			advantage of this type of text is
that it absolutely routes the
		
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			higher discourse of the soul off
in the outward armature of the
		
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			religion
		
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			and Hadith, Cullen, etc. You
		
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			showing the two as two halves of a
single beautiful hole
		
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			to is in Oxford. And incidentally,
casting your mind back to the
		
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			story of only eight years later,
but Bullock converts in Oxford
		
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			during the war.
		
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			But there's no evidence that I've
been able to determine that they
		
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			ever met each other.
		
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			By Alicia, again, you might
remember from the previous
		
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			lecture, wrote the first book
really that serious in an
		
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			introductory introductory kind of
way to Sufism in 1933, which is
		
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			really quite early. This is the
father of Idris Shah, and he comes
		
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			to live in Oxford, but later he
comes to escape the Blitz. So
		
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			that's some way down the line.
		
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			So comparative religion is his
thing with a particular interest
		
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			in these amazing Sufi classics.
And while an undergraduate he
		
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			starts to write a dissertation,
which seems to have been on
		
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			theosophy, quite a good choice,
theosophy is writing high at the
		
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			time, lots of people are reading.
		
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			Madame Blavatsky, ISIS unveiled
that strange kind of Vedanta type
		
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			spiritualist reincarnation is some
Christian thing that
		
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			morphed in various ways divided
into various ways, but it's still
		
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			a going concern. And it seems that
because again, or had actually
		
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			written to refute the theosophist,
that
		
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			Leonard was also writing a kind of
refutation of Madame Blavatsky.
		
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			He came across the use of Ali's
translation of the Quran.
		
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			He decided that since all of the
great spiritual writers of the
		
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			world, the one thing they agree on
is that ultimate reality is one
		
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			that and that you cannot attribute
any internal differentiation to
		
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			it, that the Trinity was
unacceptable as a spiritual
		
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			teaching. He calls it
unacceptable.
		
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			Then he meets some Indian Muslims
in London.
		
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			First Muslims he meets, it seems.
		
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			And then
		
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			he reflects later on, on the fact
that he didn't seem to share the
		
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			general race and religious
prejudice that was kind of the
		
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			default in England at the time. So
this is what he writes later, a
		
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			rare autobiographical anecdote. We
were three brothers one older and
		
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			one younger. It is often the case
that the middle child falls out of
		
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			favor and does not remain the
center of attention. However, it
		
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			was certainly the case with me
that no matter how much I was
		
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			disregarded, when it came to
Islam, my feelings were protected
		
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			from the influence of my Western
prejudice. So he's interested in
		
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			these Indians, open minded
listens, he's already had his
		
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			heart melted and his curiosity
piqued by his reading of good
		
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			weary in particular.
		
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			He is not an emotive type of
person, and he doesn't become an
		
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			ecstatic type of dervish ever he's
always sober.
		
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			So he has these long, nocturnal
discussions in Oxford in his robes
		
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			with his brother about religion,
the meaning of life. Now, thanks
		
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			to translations, one can access
the primary texts of the great
		
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			world religions to the Pali text
society and these Orientalist
		
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			translations and
		
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			in that curious and earnest age,
and this isn't just Brideshead
		
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			Revisited, but there are some
serious young minds in Oxford as
		
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			well. They were discussing, well,
what are we going to do? If we
		
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			can't accept the triune
understanding of ultimate reality,
		
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			which is our birthright and what
we studied at Shrewsbury? What are
		
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			we going to do?
		
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			We don't know the details of that
process. But certainly we know
		
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			that in October of 1936, he and
his brother both take the train
		
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			together to woking, the little
mosque there and they take their
		
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			shahada together.
		
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			We didn't really know who it was
with some stories say it was
		
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			Abdullah Yusuf Ali was living in
London at the time it's translated
		
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			with the Quran. Others say that it
was a mole and I've traveled Dean,
		
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			there's lots of different accounts
maybe doesn't matter so much. But
		
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			they've taken their shahada
immediately, of course, they face
		
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			the difficulties. In London in
Oxford. There's no Halal anything.
		
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			Even the bread is always baked
with lard, almost no mosques. It
		
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			was a very challenging experience
for these two earnest young,
		
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			rather bookish converts. But they
recognized having read their huge
		
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			victory, that their real
difficulty was the lack of a
		
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			teacher, not just somebody to
teach them the word
		
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			but a spiritual guide.
		
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			That's really what draws them into
Islam.
		
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			So later on, he writes this or
when he speaks of the
		
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			indispensability of a spiritual
chef,
		
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			it is certainly imperative in the
sense that without it many latent
		
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			qualities will never be developed.
Or they will never bloom into that
		
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			perfection of which they are truly
capable. They will be human beings
		
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			may be worthy ones in their own
way, but they will have been
		
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			deprived with the countless
virtues and blessings of
		
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			knowledge, which were their
birthright, and which their God
		
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			given nature demanded. There'll be
like stunted trees still
		
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			deserving, no doubt the name of
the tree, but lacking the joy of
		
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			harmonious expansion, and
displaying themselves in that
		
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			grant apparel, which is their gift
from the court of divine beauty.
		
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			In the Sufi tradition, and falling
wedge weary, he's absolutely
		
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			convinced that you can only really
grow into what your Creator has
		
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			made you to be, if you have
somebody who can help you to grow,
		
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			who can show you the way who can
offer you a mirror in which to
		
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			contemplate your own imperfections
and to intuit the way you are made
		
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			to be and can guide you interpret
dreams, the traditional shake
		
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			worried relationship, which
becomes
		
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			the guiding principle of most of
the rest of his life.
		
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			Okay, so let's pause at this point
and do one of my usual meandering
		
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			detours into another life.
		
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			Which is not a Muslim life. So it
can't be included in this series.
		
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			But a if you'd like a more stunted
life, that's not too harsh a word,
		
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			I think. And that's the life of
somebody called JG Bennett, much
		
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			better known in esoteric
spirituality circles. In the UK,
		
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			when I was an undergraduate, there
was a JG Bennett reading group in
		
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			Cambridge, and they would sit on
the floor and read his
		
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			his writings and it continues to
be a big thing for many, sometimes
		
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			slightly silver headed
		
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			seekers of a certain generation.
So Gigi Bennett is more or less a
		
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			contemporary authority. And
they're interesting parallels. And
		
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			he also serves as a kind of,
		
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			perhaps even slightly tragic
lesson in what happens when again
		
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			alls advice to root oneself in a
particular exoteric form, in its
		
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			fullness, and in its rigor, and
its discipline is not heeded.
		
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			The very frequent Western desire
to be free of organized religion,
		
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			to look down upon the clergy and
the formulas and the molars from a
		
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			position of evident, but self
satisfied superiority. The
		
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			Enlightenment idea that we are
happy when we are authentic, and
		
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			we are authentic when we comply to
our own cells, rather than to the
		
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			forms that were originated in
another place and time by other
		
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			selves. This is one of the
besetting problems of the New Age
		
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			movement in particular, which says
that to be spiritually free, you
		
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			have to be yourself. That's the
exact inversion of all traditional
		
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			spiritual teaching, which is that
the self in its present state is
		
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			really bad news, a trap, an
illusion, gravitation or a black
		
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			hole for passions, to be resisted
not not to be experienced as one's
		
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			normative self, you might say, the
abolition of the traditional
		
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			understanding that there is knifes
and raw, which is absolutely
		
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			universal, anima, numa nephesh,
lower, all the traditions have
		
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			this, that there is a false self,
which fails or TruSeq fits. It's
		
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			the most. It's the first teaching
really, but the new age thing, and
		
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			a lot of Western spiritual
dabbling has not been content with
		
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			that and a certain ability to look
down one's nose at formal
		
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			religious practitioners has caused
a lot of people to
		
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			not to experience not to grow into
into this fullness that 3d
		
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			described so, Bennett
		
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			lots of books by him, including an
interesting one in which he
		
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			depicts his discussions with
various Sufi masters who he met.
		
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			This is one of the editions of his
autobiography,
		
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			which is a spiritual journey,
which doesn't really have
		
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			a culmination or a conclusion or
an ending, although he is a
		
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			pneumatic type, that is to say he
is intrinsically attracted towards
		
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			spiritual things. He's not a
worldling he's really interested
		
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			in holy places, holy texts, holy
people, and pins around you
		
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			like a ball on a pinball table
from spiritual magnet to spiritual
		
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			magnets. So I want to, because I
think the comparison is is useful.
		
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			And so many people even today
continue to get trapped by their
		
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			determination to find freedom
through their nurses autonomy,
		
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			that that native talents are
		
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			underused. So let me read a little
bit from his actually rather
		
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			interesting, although perhaps
rather long. autobiography. Now,
		
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			Bennett, during the First World
War was kind of in charge of the
		
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			police in Istanbul. After the
Ottomans had left the British in a
		
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			very traumatic time for Turkey,
they'd lost the war. They'd also
		
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			lost the Balkan provinces in 1912.
But as a toric, was not yet there.
		
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			So it's a truncated Turkey, a
bruised turkey but you can still
		
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			go to all of the Sufi ceremonies
and meet the theologians. Ayasofya
		
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			is still a mosque. So he's able to
see this as a spiritual,
		
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			interested, non prejudiced person,
he finds some interesting
		
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			encounters. So
		
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			this is part of his account of the
Mevlevi ceremony in Istanbul.
		
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			This is the middle of the zikr or
pointing of the soul towards God,
		
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			it symbolizes the paradisal state
of the soul when it leaves the
		
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			body and enters the world of the
Perfected man that insanity come
		
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			in.
		
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			Later, I learned how to perform
the thicker myself and could
		
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			verify the state of beatitude
quite devoid of excitement which
		
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			it engenders.
		
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			The thicker is repeated three
times. For the third and last
		
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			time, the music changed into a
strong and stately rhythm, much
		
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			less dramatic than before. This
time, the shape himself took part.
		
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			For no reason that I could
understand I began to weep. I
		
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			noticed that most of the others
looking on was sobbing to nothing
		
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			new seem to have happened, but
everything had changed.
		
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			All too soon, the thicker ended
and the dervishes instantly
		
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			stopped about three times and
slowly filed out. I watched each
		
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			face as they went by. And it
seemed to me that never before had
		
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			I seemed such serenity.
		
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			And then when he gets to know the
dervishes, he recounts he recalls
		
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			a kind of mystical experience that
he'd had at least an out of body
		
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			experience when he was in fighting
in the trenches in the First World
		
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			War, and was seriously wounded and
had his out of body experience for
		
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			six days in which he was kind of
floating around looking at looking
		
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			at his body as the surgeons were
doing their work and out of body
		
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			experiences are very generally
reported in a variety of cultures
		
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			after kind of huge traumatic shock
to the metabolism. And that seems
		
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			to have been what awakened him to
the traditionally very obvious
		
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			point, which is that we're not
just bodies with a consciousness,
		
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			but we're souls as well as bodies.
		
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			And of course, the purpose of the
prayer is to hold the two
		
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			together, you might say we're very
embodied in our forms of worship.
		
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			I knew a Muslim girl who had kind
of fallen away from the religion
		
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			and was living with her boyfriend
and undergraduate. And she was in
		
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			a catastrophic motor accident and
kind of died, but was brought
		
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			back. And she told me how she'd
have these out of body
		
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			experiences. She'd be kind of
during the surgical procedure
		
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			looking down on her own body, and
kind of gently descending into it.
		
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			She was kind of really freaked out
by this.
		
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			And she continued to have those
experiences after she'd been sent
		
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			home. So he told her what to start
the prayer again, you know how to
		
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			do it. And she said, yeah, that
kind of pool. She stopped those
		
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			experiences afterwards. Because
it's not it's not a good
		
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			experience to have that the two
are not supposed to be separate
		
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			while you're still alive. Anyway.
		
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			When I became used to their way of
dealing with questions, I asked
		
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			one wise old dervish about my
experience of 21st of March 1918,
		
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			when I was wounded in France.
		
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			He listened very carefully and
asked me one or two questions
		
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			which reminded me of features of
the experience that I had
		
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			forgotten.
		
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			He said, the more Cabela is the
Mevlevi ceremony has the effect of
		
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			bringing us into the same state
where all fear of death
		
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			disappears. We know that if we die
at that moment, we shouldn't
		
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			experience only bliss.
		
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			So he finds that these people
already know about this type of
		
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			experience, and he can see from
his own eyes and from his own
		
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			experience, that this is a true,
sacred tradition.
		
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			The Muslim religion was beginning
to interest me very much. As a
		
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			boy, I had been revolted by the
quarrels of the Christian
		
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			churches. At my school we had two
teachers of divinity, one very
		
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			high church, and the other very
low Church of England. The high
		
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			churchmen was a mild but inept,
old clergyman. But the low
		
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			churchmen was a ruthless fanatic.
He spoke of the Roman Catholic
		
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			Church in terms that no schoolboy
should be allowed to hear.
		
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			We had more of a succession of
missionary lecturers who spoke to
		
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			us with such an accent of self
righteousness.
		
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			About the heathen, and they're
miserable state that I and many
		
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			others wanted to become heathens
on the spot.
		
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			When I spoke to my parents, my
mother who hated hypocrisy said,
		
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			most Englishmen are hypocrites,
especially English priests.
		
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			As a boy, my father had been at
Lansing college and experienced a
		
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			religious conversion. Afterwards
it reacted against institutional
		
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			religion, and had done his best to
present us as children from
		
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			acquiring any fixed beliefs
against which we might afterwards
		
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			revolt.
		
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			So that kind of
		
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			reflects against
		
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			organized religions. And then he
talks about
		
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			he's thinking about Islam, but he
sees the tearaway prayer as an
		
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			ayah. Sophia and gives an amazing
description of it and you see,
		
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			looking at it from a gallery, it's
10,000 people in the mosque. And
		
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			he says when everybody in the
title with their heads hit the
		
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			ground, you could actually feel
that large building shaking
		
00:31:00 --> 00:31:02
			slightly it was such such Majesty
		
00:31:08 --> 00:31:12
			What could I make of it? I went
out into the open air, or Istanbul
		
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			was lit by oil lamps and candles
festooned from minaret to minaret,
		
00:31:16 --> 00:31:20
			from roof to roof everywhere. An
incomparably beautiful city was
		
00:31:20 --> 00:31:24
			dying. Okay, so he sees this is
the end of the Ottoman world, and
		
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			this religious thing is part of
that. Can you join it, but it's
		
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			dying? Soon there would be no
assault on living at yielders the
		
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			palace. I could not know how great
the changes were to be how soon
		
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			the face was to disappear with a
women's veil. Soon them was in
		
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			would call to prayer wearing a
bowler hat by the Edict of a
		
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			dictator and a hater of religion.
Soon the dervishes were to
		
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			disappear from the streets. The
tech is to be closed and they're
		
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			leading when exiled.
		
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			I was witnessing the death of an
epoch but I did not know it. I
		
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			only knew that I was filled with a
heartbreaking sadness. What was
		
00:32:00 --> 00:32:03
			where was I to go? I just written
to the warden of my college in
		
00:32:03 --> 00:32:06
			Oxford to say that I would not
take up my scholarship.
		
00:32:08 --> 00:32:11
			I'd been recommended for the Staff
College and yet I knew that an
		
00:32:11 --> 00:32:14
			army career was impossible for me.
I could not leave everything and
		
00:32:14 --> 00:32:19
			become a dervish. The dervishes
belong to the dying world. They
		
00:32:19 --> 00:32:22
			were a reminder that once men had
known how to live to the fall
		
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			inwardly as well as outwardly, but
it was only too obvious that the
		
00:32:26 --> 00:32:31
			ancient fire died. So that's
another theme that people think
		
00:32:31 --> 00:32:33
			well, this oriental culture
		
00:32:34 --> 00:32:37
			is coming to an end. Therefore I
have to look for something else
		
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			perhaps in the west and Bennett
then has this complex Korea, he
		
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			attaches himself to Gurdjieff in
Paris and becomes Gurdjieff
		
00:32:47 --> 00:32:51
			representative in England. And
there's accounts in the book of
		
00:32:52 --> 00:32:55
			frequent outrageousness of
Gurdjieff, who had been with some
		
00:32:55 --> 00:33:00
			Sufi teachers in Central Asia but
wasn't compliant in any way. He
		
00:33:00 --> 00:33:02
			wasn't a Muslim, he was have
		
00:33:03 --> 00:33:08
			sort of mixed Armenian Russian
children ancestry, and they would
		
00:33:08 --> 00:33:12
			have these enormous sort of
drunken, slightly promiscuous
		
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			banquets in his flat in Paris
where other spiritual wisdom was
		
00:33:16 --> 00:33:19
			allegedly dispensed. So Bennett
becomes his representative in
		
00:33:19 --> 00:33:23
			England for this antinomian non
organized religion, sort of
		
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			spirituality gets quite hurt by it
damaged
		
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			and then sells good. Jeff's
property Coombs brings to Idris
		
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			Shah, who becomes another person
who he thinks might be very
		
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			significant. And then he gets into
suborned and kind of bounces
		
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			around with groups that allow
people not to accept the second
		
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			Shahada.
		
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			So,
		
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			but you can see throughout his
life this is much later. This is
		
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			the 1950s
		
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			is wandering around the old
dervish lodges which never closed
		
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			of course.
		
00:34:00 --> 00:34:01
			Then he says,
		
00:34:02 --> 00:34:05
			I went at dusk to the great
Sulaymaniyah mosque the youthful
		
00:34:05 --> 00:34:09
			masterpiece of CNN of Caesarea,
one of the world's greatest
		
00:34:09 --> 00:34:13
			architects and mathematicians. My
vision had grown more sensitive
		
00:34:13 --> 00:34:16
			with the years and I stood upon
the outer wall enraptured, with a
		
00:34:16 --> 00:34:20
			subtle marvels of its domes and
interlocking turrets cascading
		
00:34:20 --> 00:34:23
			down and down in a harmony that
seemed to unite the earth and
		
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			heaven. How lifeless beside this
prodigious building is our great
		
00:34:27 --> 00:34:31
			St. Paul's on legate Hill, or the
massive, meaningless Church of St.
		
00:34:31 --> 00:34:32
			Peter's in Rome.
		
00:34:33 --> 00:34:37
			In the supreme work of art, sin
and Myanmar fulfilled his promise
		
00:34:37 --> 00:34:40
			to Solomon the magnificent that he
would outdo the Byzantines
		
00:34:40 --> 00:34:42
			architects of center Sofia,
		
00:34:43 --> 00:34:46
			I went inside and heard the voice
of the boys in Chanting verses of
		
00:34:46 --> 00:34:47
			the Quran.
		
00:34:48 --> 00:34:51
			Once again, the purity of the
acoustics brought tears to my
		
00:34:51 --> 00:34:55
			eyes. But now I was aware of a
sound within the sound and realize
		
00:34:55 --> 00:34:59
			that the architect had built a
spiritual temple within an earthly
		
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			temple.
		
00:35:00 --> 00:35:00
			Okay.
		
00:35:01 --> 00:35:06
			So the decades has been hanging
around in love with Islam and in
		
00:35:06 --> 00:35:10
			love with the saints who he knows
the saints but still something
		
00:35:10 --> 00:35:14
			within him a certain Western pride
a certain determination not to
		
00:35:14 --> 00:35:18
			submit, has kept him outside the
threshold.
		
00:35:20 --> 00:35:24
			Then last quote I want is when he
goes to Syria and Mitch Abdullah
		
00:35:24 --> 00:35:25
			Davi Stanny, who's one of the
great
		
00:35:26 --> 00:35:31
			renewals of the NOC Bandy tariqa
in the 20th century, and again, he
		
00:35:31 --> 00:35:36
			has experience after experience
with Danny Stanley that shows is a
		
00:35:36 --> 00:35:41
			real saint, who knows more than
one would naturally do so. The
		
00:35:41 --> 00:35:45
			chef was waiting for me on the
roof of his house. It was high up
		
00:35:45 --> 00:35:49
			above the city commanding a superb
panorama. Abdullah destiny was of
		
00:35:49 --> 00:35:53
			middle height with a white beard
but looked far younger than the 75
		
00:35:53 --> 00:35:56
			years attributed to him. I felt at
ease from the start, and very soon
		
00:35:56 --> 00:36:00
			I experienced a great happiness
that seemed to fill the place. I
		
00:36:00 --> 00:36:03
			knew that I was in the presence of
a really good man.
		
00:36:04 --> 00:36:07
			After the usual salutations, and
compliments with the excellence of
		
00:36:07 --> 00:36:11
			my Turkish, she astonished me by
saying, Why did you not bring the
		
00:36:11 --> 00:36:14
			lady sister who is with you, I
have a message for her as well as
		
00:36:14 --> 00:36:17
			you. It seemed unlikely that
anyone could have told him about
		
00:36:18 --> 00:36:22
			Elizabeth, his wife, we'd walked
straight to South house and my
		
00:36:22 --> 00:36:25
			guide had left me at the door
without speaking to anyone. I
		
00:36:25 --> 00:36:28
			replied that as he was a Muslim, I
did not think he would wish to
		
00:36:28 --> 00:36:32
			speak with a woman. He said very
simply, why not? Such customs are
		
00:36:32 --> 00:36:36
			for the protection of the foolish,
they do not concern me. Next time
		
00:36:36 --> 00:36:39
			you pass through Damascus, will
you bring her to see me?
		
00:36:40 --> 00:36:42
			I promise to do so if the
opportunity came.
		
00:36:43 --> 00:36:47
			We sat for a long time in silence
watching the ancient city. When he
		
00:36:47 --> 00:36:50
			began to speak, I found it hard to
come out of the Deep River into
		
00:36:50 --> 00:36:54
			which I had fallen. He was saying
I was expecting someone today. But
		
00:36:54 --> 00:36:57
			I did not know it would be you. A
few nights ago, an angel came to
		
00:36:57 --> 00:37:01
			my room and told me that you would
come to visit me that I was to
		
00:37:01 --> 00:37:04
			give you three messages. You have
asked God for guidance about your
		
00:37:04 --> 00:37:08
			wife. She is in God's keeping.
You've tried to help her but this
		
00:37:08 --> 00:37:11
			is wrong. You disturb the work
that God is doing in her soul.
		
00:37:12 --> 00:37:15
			There is no cause for anxiety
about her, but it is useless for
		
00:37:15 --> 00:37:19
			you to try to understand. Second
message concerns your house,
		
00:37:19 --> 00:37:22
			you've asked God for guidance as
to whether you should go your way
		
00:37:22 --> 00:37:25
			or follow others. You must trust
yourself, you will be persecuted
		
00:37:25 --> 00:37:29
			by the Armenians. But you must not
be afraid you have to attract many
		
00:37:29 --> 00:37:33
			people to you. You must not
hesitate even if other people
		
00:37:34 --> 00:37:38
			are angry. It felt silent again, I
was astonished at the two
		
00:37:38 --> 00:37:41
			messages. It was perfectly true
that I had prayed for guidance on
		
00:37:41 --> 00:37:45
			just those two questions. If he
was right than the way before he
		
00:37:45 --> 00:37:45
			was clear.
		
00:37:47 --> 00:37:47
			So
		
00:37:48 --> 00:37:52
			and then there is other things
that he talks about. The point is
		
00:37:52 --> 00:37:54
			that throughout the book, he is
relating
		
00:37:55 --> 00:37:59
			his experiences with some of the
greatest saints of the 20th
		
00:37:59 --> 00:38:03
			century and seeing that Abdullah
dynasty and he knows what he has
		
00:38:03 --> 00:38:06
			been praying for, this wasn't even
an appointment, he just went on
		
00:38:06 --> 00:38:09
			the hope that you'd see him but
the chef was waiting for him and
		
00:38:09 --> 00:38:12
			knew that he should have brought
his wife and again and again, he
		
00:38:12 --> 00:38:17
			sees these kinds of Chifley
phenomena. But still he doesn't
		
00:38:17 --> 00:38:21
			take the plunge. He's kind of
dancing around on the brink
		
00:38:21 --> 00:38:25
			doesn't dive in. Although it said
towards the end of his life. In
		
00:38:25 --> 00:38:28
			his last year of his life, he
actually started to perform the
		
00:38:28 --> 00:38:33
			numbers in various ways and
recognized Finally, some people
		
00:38:33 --> 00:38:38
			say to get union rather obvious
point that the inner kernel has to
		
00:38:38 --> 00:38:41
			be protected by an outer shell,
and that everybody needs
		
00:38:43 --> 00:38:43
			Sharia.
		
00:38:45 --> 00:38:45
			So,
		
00:38:47 --> 00:38:49
			this is important, I think because
there are so many people out there
		
00:38:49 --> 00:38:54
			who are really reading Rumi
attracted to spirituality, looking
		
00:38:54 --> 00:38:58
			for truth, sometimes people who
have had experiences of their own.
		
00:39:01 --> 00:39:05
			But because of the nature of the
age and the cult of individualism,
		
00:39:05 --> 00:39:10
			find it very hard to submit to an
outer form, in other words to
		
00:39:10 --> 00:39:12
			accept the second Shahada.
		
00:39:17 --> 00:39:18
			So here is
		
00:39:20 --> 00:39:24
			Shahidullah for Edie later on,
reflecting as somebody is asking
		
00:39:24 --> 00:39:27
			him a question, what about
sticking to moral values without
		
00:39:27 --> 00:39:31
			numbers and religion will just be
good and spiritual without doing
		
00:39:31 --> 00:39:38
			this deemed stuff? Reply. This is
a misconception. Some people do
		
00:39:38 --> 00:39:41
			that in Europe, especially in
certain historical times there
		
00:39:41 --> 00:39:45
			have been ethical movements, but
this is illogical in a way. The
		
00:39:45 --> 00:39:48
			moral values which they know we
say that he is good, he doesn't
		
00:39:48 --> 00:39:51
			commit evil doesn't steal, doesn't
murder or he doesn't cheat people
		
00:39:51 --> 00:39:54
			doesn't lie. But how do we know
that this is good?
		
00:39:55 --> 00:39:59
			The only knowledge we have that it
is good not to steal not to commit
		
00:39:59 --> 00:40:00
			murder not to lie not
		
00:40:00 --> 00:40:04
			To cheat not to deceive is through
religion. The basic morality is
		
00:40:04 --> 00:40:07
			known only through religion, man
was unable to discover these
		
00:40:07 --> 00:40:11
			things on his own. And all
societies refer their moral code
		
00:40:11 --> 00:40:14
			to certain teachers in the past.
This is a reality,
		
00:40:15 --> 00:40:18
			you must realize that the moral
view which we have in America and
		
00:40:18 --> 00:40:21
			Europe, these other places, I will
diverge from Christianity.
		
00:40:22 --> 00:40:25
			Having derived the moral values
from Christianity, they now say
		
00:40:25 --> 00:40:28
			that we don't believe in the
ceremonial part of it, but only
		
00:40:28 --> 00:40:29
			take the moral part of it.
		
00:40:30 --> 00:40:33
			This is not the teaching of the
Prophet sallallahu alayhi
		
00:40:33 --> 00:40:37
			wasallam, and you are taking one
part and rejecting the other that
		
00:40:37 --> 00:40:40
			is unjustified. The fact is there
are purposes in these things.
		
00:40:41 --> 00:40:44
			Worship is not just an unpleasant
duty, which God has for no reason
		
00:40:44 --> 00:40:49
			or other told us to perform. That
is not so the basis of all this
		
00:40:49 --> 00:40:52
			is, as I said, the knowledge or
understanding of the ultimate
		
00:40:52 --> 00:40:56
			reality. What is the ultimate
reality? Who is the Supreme Being?
		
00:40:57 --> 00:40:59
			What are his characteristics or
attributes as far as we can
		
00:40:59 --> 00:41:03
			understand that? What was his
purpose in creating us? What does
		
00:41:03 --> 00:41:06
			he wish us to do? What is our
ultimate destination, and so
		
00:41:06 --> 00:41:10
			forth. In order to understand
this, we have books that we read,
		
00:41:10 --> 00:41:14
			it's been prescribed by God
according to our human nature. He
		
00:41:14 --> 00:41:18
			knows our nature much better than
we do ourselves. We have to keep
		
00:41:18 --> 00:41:22
			reminding ourselves of God. And we
must keep on expressing our sense
		
00:41:22 --> 00:41:25
			of obedience, and our sense of
respect.
		
00:41:26 --> 00:41:29
			So this is again, something which
is natural in man, and he has to
		
00:41:29 --> 00:41:33
			keep on reminding himself of his
loyalty. God says, If you accept
		
00:41:33 --> 00:41:37
			me then bow down before me.
Otherwise the human values wither
		
00:41:37 --> 00:41:40
			away. And at some point, people
say that we accept moral values
		
00:41:40 --> 00:41:43
			and leave the rest. So it's
necessary to remind yourself of
		
00:41:43 --> 00:41:49
			this. So he's very much aware of
the Bennett's type of anti Nubian
		
00:41:49 --> 00:41:53
			spirituality, even practicing some
forms of vicar was ethos and so
		
00:41:53 --> 00:41:56
			forth. But without being able to
cross the ego to the extent that
		
00:41:56 --> 00:42:00
			one follows the outward, Muhammad
and forms.
		
00:42:02 --> 00:42:08
			So the two brothers looking for a
che England is not going to supply
		
00:42:08 --> 00:42:13
			them with one. But they have the
bug, the issue, the yearning.
		
00:42:14 --> 00:42:17
			So the older brother William
starts traveling, rather as
		
00:42:17 --> 00:42:21
			Bennett did, he goes to Turkey
into Syria, looking for Mevlevi
		
00:42:22 --> 00:42:24
			after all, you reading roommate
you want to find a Mevlevi shape,
		
00:42:24 --> 00:42:29
			but by this time, Ataturk has
closed it. The main lodge that
		
00:42:29 --> 00:42:33
			Bennett wants attended in Istanbul
is a police station, and so forth.
		
00:42:34 --> 00:42:37
			In Syria, the middle of his of
that, but it's under French
		
00:42:37 --> 00:42:40
			occupation, there's a lot of
persecution of the Sufis that.
		
00:42:41 --> 00:42:45
			So William actually went to
Switzerland and metric of shoe on
		
00:42:45 --> 00:42:49
			well known comparative
religionist, who died about 20
		
00:42:49 --> 00:42:54
			years ago and the first members of
Sean's community.
		
00:42:56 --> 00:43:01
			Together, they went to Egypt,
where it may be presumed that they
		
00:43:01 --> 00:43:07
			met going on again or when he took
on Islam, decided he was going to
		
00:43:07 --> 00:43:13
			live in an Islamic context, attend
Thickers he married daughter of
		
00:43:13 --> 00:43:17
			Arlene family of Cairo, and never
I think left
		
00:43:19 --> 00:43:23
			left Egypt again, he had no
particular interest in doing so
		
00:43:23 --> 00:43:25
			they are associating with these
		
00:43:26 --> 00:43:30
			intellectuals who are interested
in some sort of perennial truth
		
00:43:30 --> 00:43:34
			underlying all religions. But
they're not really seeking a
		
00:43:34 --> 00:43:38
			complex metaphysical philosophy,
but neither of them are
		
00:43:38 --> 00:43:41
			metaphysicians. And if you read,
Shaheed Allah's works, you can see
		
00:43:41 --> 00:43:46
			it's very much practical and
inspirational. It's about taking
		
00:43:46 --> 00:43:50
			the disciple directly to God
without dialectics.
		
00:43:52 --> 00:43:55
			Neither are they looking for
something that will unite the
		
00:43:55 --> 00:43:59
			religion somehow. They're only
looking for God. That's their
		
00:43:59 --> 00:44:01
			intention, they want to come to
God.
		
00:44:02 --> 00:44:07
			Now, the father in England had
been friends with a posh Indian
		
00:44:07 --> 00:44:08
			than the wife of Bahawalpur.
		
00:44:10 --> 00:44:13
			He owned property in North London
quite close to the Leonard house.
		
00:44:14 --> 00:44:18
			Some members of his quality suite
are also in London. This is a
		
00:44:18 --> 00:44:23
			Saudi Mohamed Han. That was in
1966. And if you look at old BBC
		
00:44:23 --> 00:44:27
			footage of the coronation in 1953,
you can see him there looking very
		
00:44:28 --> 00:44:29
			splendid.
		
00:44:30 --> 00:44:32
			If you can imagine a traditional
		
00:44:33 --> 00:44:38
			Indian or Pakistani, bridegroom's
outfit, you know, the thing is
		
00:44:38 --> 00:44:42
			pointy shoes, turbans. Therefore,
if you multiply that by 10, you've
		
00:44:42 --> 00:44:45
			got the Nawab of Bahawalpur, kind
of the queen is looking a bit
		
00:44:45 --> 00:44:47
			dowdy by comparison, this guy's
		
00:44:49 --> 00:44:50
			upstaging the bride
		
00:44:52 --> 00:44:55
			and the families is still going,
although of course, Bahawalpur
		
00:44:55 --> 00:44:59
			absorbed into Pakistan. Palace is
still no I think, Noor mahal
		
00:45:00 --> 00:45:01
			interesting kinds of place.
		
00:45:02 --> 00:45:06
			And the words grand Sal is still
around Salahuddin.
		
00:45:07 --> 00:45:10
			He invites the interesting boys to
India,
		
00:45:12 --> 00:45:17
			Egypt, their mind Furnitureland,
Syria, Turkey, come to India. And
		
00:45:17 --> 00:45:19
			that's what they do. For some
reason they don't travel together,
		
00:45:19 --> 00:45:20
			they travel separately.
		
00:45:22 --> 00:45:25
			But they don't know where to
begin, then the web doesn't really
		
00:45:25 --> 00:45:29
			move in the kind of circles that
they want to meet. He's in clubs
		
00:45:29 --> 00:45:31
			and so forth and playing Polo.
		
00:45:32 --> 00:45:36
			That's not what they want. So they
begin a process of kind of
		
00:45:36 --> 00:45:39
			wandering around as seekers
without having any contact or
		
00:45:39 --> 00:45:45
			addresses. Now, interestingly, 3d
goes off to an ashram in Bangor,
		
00:45:45 --> 00:45:51
			all sorts of ashram, which is run
by Rabindranath Tagore and his
		
00:45:51 --> 00:45:54
			experiences to go and his
community is an interesting
		
00:45:54 --> 00:45:59
			milestone in his development. The
place is called Shantiniketan,
		
00:46:00 --> 00:46:04
			which the Tagore family had
founded, which is now morphed
		
00:46:04 --> 00:46:06
			still under the influence of the
kind of presiding spirit of
		
00:46:06 --> 00:46:11
			Tagore, it's a university now near
Calcutta. And this is where to go
		
00:46:11 --> 00:46:15
			at some of his well known works to
go after all the very first non
		
00:46:15 --> 00:46:19
			western ever to win the Nobel
Prize for Literature, friend of
		
00:46:19 --> 00:46:24
			Yeats, and Elliot liked him and
sort of liked him and short
		
00:46:24 --> 00:46:28
			stories, poetry, and also an
artist and a kind of
		
00:46:29 --> 00:46:33
			syncretistic Indic. philosopher,
he actually wrote the national
		
00:46:33 --> 00:46:37
			anthem of India and also the
national anthem of Bangladesh,
		
00:46:37 --> 00:46:40
			which is interesting. If anybody's
written to national anthems, it's
		
00:46:40 --> 00:46:44
			kind of counterintuitive, but that
was what he did. Now, what's
		
00:46:44 --> 00:46:49
			really interesting is that in that
period, pre partition and pre BJP
		
00:46:49 --> 00:46:52
			and pre contemporary tensions,
		
00:46:53 --> 00:46:58
			the overlap space between the
Hindu and the Muslim and all of
		
00:46:58 --> 00:47:01
			the other groups, particularly in
Bengal, which has always been the
		
00:47:01 --> 00:47:04
			kind of intellectual center of
India as well as for a long time
		
00:47:04 --> 00:47:07
			the political center because East
England India Company made
		
00:47:07 --> 00:47:09
			Calcutta the company
		
00:47:11 --> 00:47:16
			then Google is where you get all
of the good stuff, silk, opium,
		
00:47:17 --> 00:47:19
			whatever the company wants to
traffic in.
		
00:47:20 --> 00:47:25
			So the East is where it's at. And
the two goals are big landowners.
		
00:47:26 --> 00:47:29
			But very interesting
representatives of a kind of
		
00:47:29 --> 00:47:32
			Indian that you don't encounter so
much these days.
		
00:47:33 --> 00:47:34
			To go as father
		
00:47:36 --> 00:47:41
			knew a lot of Sufi poetry by
heart. Persian was really the
		
00:47:41 --> 00:47:45
			language of the Indian elite, even
the Hindu led at the time. And
		
00:47:45 --> 00:47:49
			hard to imagine that now but a lot
of poetry, a lot of newspapers in
		
00:47:49 --> 00:47:51
			Persian, were being founded by
Hindus
		
00:47:54 --> 00:47:59
			and was also the founder of
something called the Brahmo Samaj,
		
00:47:59 --> 00:48:04
			which is a kind of Indian post
Hindu Unitarian movement,
		
00:48:07 --> 00:48:10
			which was originating in the
teachings of somebody called
		
00:48:10 --> 00:48:12
			Rammohan. Moy right in the 18th
century,
		
00:48:14 --> 00:48:18
			who had been again of Hindu
background, but he studied in the
		
00:48:18 --> 00:48:22
			madrasa in Patna new a lot of
animal qalam, apparently, dressed
		
00:48:22 --> 00:48:27
			as a Muslim love the Sufi
traditions of tolerance. The idea
		
00:48:27 --> 00:48:31
			of that elite at the time, the so
called Mobile Brahmins, was that
		
00:48:31 --> 00:48:34
			in the Sufi context, you find a
sort of tolerance that in the very
		
00:48:34 --> 00:48:40
			tight, rule bound universe of
immobile, sort of traditional
		
00:48:40 --> 00:48:44
			Hindu religion, you can't find
even somebody from a slightly
		
00:48:44 --> 00:48:48
			different caste or attributed to a
different temple. So often fierce
		
00:48:48 --> 00:48:53
			rivalries where Sufism with its
apparent with unification, very
		
00:48:53 --> 00:48:56
			ecstatic outlook seemed to be a
wonderful alternative to that.
		
00:48:58 --> 00:49:00
			In the 20th century, it tended to
be something like communism or
		
00:49:00 --> 00:49:04
			secularism or republicanism. But
the 18th and 19th century for the
		
00:49:04 --> 00:49:07
			Hindu elite. It was Sufism that
looked like the interesting
		
00:49:08 --> 00:49:13
			alternative or escape hatch from
the iron cages of the caste
		
00:49:13 --> 00:49:13
			system.
		
00:49:15 --> 00:49:15
			So
		
00:49:17 --> 00:49:19
			Rammohan Moy Roy founds this
movement, which is still very
		
00:49:19 --> 00:49:22
			active and is considered to be the
first kind of Hindu reform
		
00:49:22 --> 00:49:25
			movement. He was interested in
Unitarian Christianity who didn't
		
00:49:25 --> 00:49:29
			think the Trinity was interesting,
but he liked the Unitarians
		
00:49:30 --> 00:49:34
			devoted his retirement really to
the study of Rumi's Masnavi and
		
00:49:34 --> 00:49:38
			also the the Vedanta wrote a book
Tophet and we're heading
		
00:49:39 --> 00:49:42
			interesting so somebody who is
still a Bradman, writing a book in
		
00:49:42 --> 00:49:46
			Persian called Tophet and was
heading the gift of the
		
00:49:46 --> 00:49:51
			monotheist. So against caste,
against the God man syndrome and
		
00:49:51 --> 00:49:55
			the exploitations commonly
attributed to it against
		
00:49:55 --> 00:49:59
			polytheism more or less against
reincarnation, although not
		
00:49:59 --> 00:49:59
			necessarily to
		
00:50:00 --> 00:50:04
			So this mutates in various ways,
splits in various ways and becomes
		
00:50:04 --> 00:50:08
			something called the ADDIE Dharma,
which is now the ninth largest
		
00:50:08 --> 00:50:11
			religion in India. It's recognized
as separate religion. Bangladesh
		
00:50:11 --> 00:50:14
			also recognizes it as a separate
religion. It's not considered to
		
00:50:14 --> 00:50:20
			be Hindu any longer. So
monotheism, no god men, no caste,
		
00:50:20 --> 00:50:22
			it obviously reflects this Sufi
influence.
		
00:50:23 --> 00:50:27
			And his belief really was to cause
further belief was that Hindu law
		
00:50:28 --> 00:50:32
			and institutions were corrupt, and
only English law or Islamic law
		
00:50:32 --> 00:50:34
			could ever unite India.
		
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			Also, this kind of Vedantic Sufi
half is thing. The syncretism was
		
00:50:44 --> 00:50:48
			motivated by a fondness for the
bowel musicians this kind of
		
00:50:48 --> 00:50:52
			wandering, multifaith Minstrel,
sometimes quite outrageous, which
		
00:50:52 --> 00:50:55
			you still encounter in parts of
Bengal.
		
00:50:56 --> 00:50:57
			So
		
00:51:02 --> 00:51:07
			to go had a number of friends so
this is when we're struggling to
		
00:51:07 --> 00:51:11
			understand why somebody who's
converted to Islam through Sufism
		
00:51:11 --> 00:51:15
			and is full of the zeal of a
convert wants to go to this Brahmo
		
00:51:15 --> 00:51:18
			Samaj sort of sub Hindu place
where there aren't many Muslims.
		
00:51:21 --> 00:51:25
			It's interesting to note that one
of the poets who are associated in
		
00:51:25 --> 00:51:28
			this Persian speaking world with
Tagore Allah Mustafa wrote things
		
00:51:28 --> 00:51:31
			like this. There are great
similarities and contents and
		
00:51:31 --> 00:51:34
			ideals of what poet Emperor
Rabindranath has expressed in his
		
00:51:34 --> 00:51:38
			lyrics. Any Muslim can accept
these concepts without hesitation.
		
00:51:39 --> 00:51:42
			No other person of Bengali
language has ever uttered these
		
00:51:42 --> 00:51:45
			expressions of Muslim heart. We
did not find any hostility towards
		
00:51:45 --> 00:51:49
			Islam in the vast literature
produced by Tagore. On the
		
00:51:49 --> 00:51:52
			contrary, there is so much of
Islamic content and ideals in his
		
00:51:52 --> 00:51:56
			writings that he can be called a
Muslim without hesitation. It's
		
00:51:56 --> 00:51:59
			not too much to say that the
concepts of idolatry, pluralism,
		
00:51:59 --> 00:52:02
			atheism, reincarnation,
renunciation, etc, which are
		
00:52:02 --> 00:52:06
			considered as totally opposed to
Islam are also non existent in his
		
00:52:06 --> 00:52:07
			writings.
		
00:52:11 --> 00:52:16
			To go particularly fond, not only
of the messenger V, but of Hafez
		
00:52:17 --> 00:52:20
			and if you go to that university
now you can see the bell which
		
00:52:20 --> 00:52:24
			called everybody to their morning
prayers, morning meditation really
		
00:52:24 --> 00:52:28
			has carved into it a famous bait
or nine by half his
		
00:52:29 --> 00:52:33
			mother or daughter, Monza leejohn
on she on the ice, turn her down.
		
00:52:33 --> 00:52:36
			Giraffes Faryab Midata que para
bandied Maha mailhot.
		
00:52:38 --> 00:52:42
			What security enjoy is there for
me at the beloved waystation when
		
00:52:42 --> 00:52:45
			every moment the bell clangs
fasten on the camel, that is
		
00:52:45 --> 00:52:50
			belts. Life is like a caravan.
We're heading for the next world.
		
00:52:50 --> 00:52:54
			And the belts or the bells
associated with a caravan our
		
00:52:54 --> 00:52:58
			vicar recollection prayer,
meditation, anything that reminds
		
00:52:58 --> 00:53:02
			us that this is not our permanent
abode. That's the kind of thought
		
00:53:03 --> 00:53:06
			so a very different world where
the the kind of Brahmanical elites
		
00:53:06 --> 00:53:11
			that nowadays for moody, used to
prefer reading Persian to reading
		
00:53:11 --> 00:53:15
			Sanskrit would often dress like
Sufis, and it's very kind of
		
00:53:15 --> 00:53:20
			transitional universe and of
course, taken a broad historical
		
00:53:20 --> 00:53:25
			picture. It was that transitional
space that allowed large transfers
		
00:53:26 --> 00:53:32
			of, of Hindus into Islam over the
centuries. It's these guys these
		
00:53:33 --> 00:53:38
			stepping stones that are enabling
it. So at the age of 22. Here is
		
00:53:38 --> 00:53:41
			the young kind of well, it's not
the hippie age, but he's a seeker
		
00:53:42 --> 00:53:46
			gone to India, on what later
became the hippie trail. And he
		
00:53:46 --> 00:53:51
			spends three months at this
Shantiniketan place. And later on
		
00:53:51 --> 00:53:55
			in life he was asked about his
time with Tagore. This is what he
		
00:53:55 --> 00:53:55
			said.
		
00:53:57 --> 00:54:00
			He knew all about the Prophet
sallallahu alayhi wa sallam was
		
00:54:00 --> 00:54:03
			not ignorant of him at all,
because his father was a great
		
00:54:03 --> 00:54:07
			expert on Persian poetry was a
linguist a cultured person. His
		
00:54:07 --> 00:54:11
			special study was Persian poetry
Hafez and Rumi. So who is well
		
00:54:11 --> 00:54:15
			acquainted with the whole attitude
of true Sufis, this Sufi influence
		
00:54:15 --> 00:54:17
			had come into goes work is a
reflection of what he learned
		
00:54:17 --> 00:54:18
			after someof.
		
00:54:19 --> 00:54:23
			One might say he did express his
respect for the Prophet sallallahu
		
00:54:23 --> 00:54:26
			alayhi wasallam. I think Tagore
started readings from all the
		
00:54:26 --> 00:54:30
			sacred books every morning before
Ghandi came into prominence, he
		
00:54:30 --> 00:54:34
			had a temple of worship, but not
of any particular religion. And in
		
00:54:34 --> 00:54:38
			that every morning, they all used
to assemble that. And a Hindu used
		
00:54:38 --> 00:54:41
			to read from the Bhagavad Gita, a
Muslim used to read out of the
		
00:54:41 --> 00:54:44
			Quran, or the Christian used to
read out of the Bible and so on.
		
00:54:44 --> 00:54:47
			This was done as a ceremony every
morning.
		
00:54:48 --> 00:54:52
			But it seems that he thought that
to go is a bit of an ego.
		
00:54:54 --> 00:54:57
			And also that he had this idea
that he somehow himself had the
		
00:54:57 --> 00:55:00
			right to transcend the particulars
of religion.
		
00:55:00 --> 00:55:04
			Imagine, which were all part of a
perennial and universal truth and
		
00:55:04 --> 00:55:08
			didn't really need to be bound by
any of those paths. So later on,
		
00:55:09 --> 00:55:11
			for Ed says this
		
00:55:12 --> 00:55:17
			is a great claim. And all the
religions are parallel paths to
		
00:55:17 --> 00:55:21
			the same destination. It's a great
claim, whether he can prove this
		
00:55:21 --> 00:55:25
			claim is another matter. Anyway,
it is a wrong claim because nobody
		
00:55:25 --> 00:55:29
			rises above while he is living in
the body. He is subject to the
		
00:55:29 --> 00:55:32
			limitations of the body he's
living in the mental world is
		
00:55:32 --> 00:55:35
			subject to all limitations of the
human body, how can you claim to
		
00:55:35 --> 00:55:40
			have risen above anyway, he may be
forgiven, to go spoke of one God
		
00:55:40 --> 00:55:42
			and of the love of God and he
stated that he respected the
		
00:55:42 --> 00:55:46
			prophet in the Quran, although he
maintained that he respected the
		
00:55:46 --> 00:55:50
			others too. So these people and
how they will be treated, we can't
		
00:55:50 --> 00:55:54
			place them in any category. There
may be people of that are off
		
00:55:54 --> 00:55:57
			people who are sitting on the
division divided, dividing wall
		
00:55:57 --> 00:56:01
			with * on the side and Paradise
on that side. They are wishing to
		
00:56:01 --> 00:56:04
			enter the Janet, but they have not
yet done so.
		
00:56:05 --> 00:56:11
			And later on about the idea of
perennialism. He says this. Some
		
00:56:11 --> 00:56:14
			unconventional people claim that
all religions are one that
		
00:56:14 --> 00:56:18
			teachings principles are all the
same. It is true to some extent
		
00:56:18 --> 00:56:21
			that the basic principles of unity
and righteousness are the same.
		
00:56:22 --> 00:56:25
			The basic mistake is that they are
not aware that in each era, Allah
		
00:56:25 --> 00:56:29
			has colored his message with a
different hue. The present age is
		
00:56:29 --> 00:56:32
			imbued with the beneficent of the
noble Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa
		
00:56:32 --> 00:56:37
			sallam. The old books of piracy or
Hindu religion may be correct, but
		
00:56:37 --> 00:56:40
			the outpouring of divine
inspiration is not found there any
		
00:56:40 --> 00:56:43
			longer. They are like dry rivers.
		
00:56:44 --> 00:56:49
			So Lenin quits the ashram he sees
it as idealistic, but driven by a
		
00:56:49 --> 00:56:54
			kind of well meaning aesthetic
syncretism that proposes a truth
		
00:56:54 --> 00:56:57
			transcending the religions that
actually seems rather miss misty
		
00:56:57 --> 00:56:58
			and vague.
		
00:57:00 --> 00:57:06
			So he is propelled still by this
issue. Somewhere else in India,
		
00:57:06 --> 00:57:09
			he's going to find what he seeks.
And
		
00:57:11 --> 00:57:15
			I want to read some Rumi today,
going to indulge myself
		
00:57:17 --> 00:57:20
			where you see the apparent
		
00:57:21 --> 00:57:23
			universalism and Rumi and what it
actually means.
		
00:57:25 --> 00:57:30
			Marhaba aisb wholesaled IMO a tabi
Jun, LAN Latoya.
		
00:57:32 --> 00:57:37
			Welcome. Delightful, sweet beloved
love.
		
00:57:38 --> 00:57:42
			Oh, the cure for all my illnesses.
		
00:57:44 --> 00:57:49
			A de via Nakba, to normal same on
a tour of la toma, Jolene awesome
		
00:57:49 --> 00:57:58
			art. You are the medicine for my
pride and for my strictness. You
		
00:57:58 --> 00:58:01
			are my Plato, you are my
		
00:58:03 --> 00:58:04
			Galen.
		
00:58:05 --> 00:58:10
			Just macaque as a flock you should
call the rocks Ahmad or Chuck
		
00:58:10 --> 00:58:10
			should.
		
00:58:12 --> 00:58:17
			This body which is of clay,
through love has reached the
		
00:58:17 --> 00:58:17
			heavens.
		
00:58:19 --> 00:58:24
			The mountains have begun to dance,
even though they remain conscious.
		
00:58:26 --> 00:58:30
			And Charlotte asked khatoun,
Belfer asked healthy Jews Marshall
		
00:58:30 --> 00:58:32
			bhave Joomla soft.
		
00:58:34 --> 00:58:37
			passionate love is a burning
spark.
		
00:58:39 --> 00:58:40
			And when it
		
00:58:42 --> 00:58:47
			blazes, it burns everything,
except that the beloved is unhurt.
		
00:58:47 --> 00:58:49
			Everything else is on fire.
		
00:58:51 --> 00:58:56
			darlin noggin John Tartikoff to
show need a stereo East ah our
		
00:58:56 --> 00:58:57
			rush not padded.
		
00:58:59 --> 00:59:02
			Love if contained
		
00:59:03 --> 00:59:11
			and not expressed with the tongue
is an ocean which has which is so
		
00:59:11 --> 00:59:13
			deep that it has no bottom
		
00:59:15 --> 00:59:20
			shadow her a Scotsman that go
young Bertha von sadly armet
		
00:59:20 --> 00:59:22
			bagels rot on not among
		
00:59:25 --> 00:59:26
			the passion of love.
		
00:59:27 --> 00:59:32
			If I was able to speak of it
constantly
		
00:59:33 --> 00:59:38
			100 days of judgment would come
and I would still not have time to
		
00:59:38 --> 00:59:40
			complete what I want to say.
		
00:59:42 --> 00:59:47
			Asha V pi dust Azaria deal needs
to be more each will be more
		
00:59:47 --> 00:59:48
			ideal.
		
00:59:51 --> 00:59:56
			Love to be a lover comes from the
suffering and the wailing of the
		
00:59:56 --> 00:59:59
			heart. There is no earthly
sickness that
		
01:00:00 --> 01:00:03
			and rival the pain of that is in
the heart.
		
01:00:05 --> 01:00:09
			bility ash as hammer Dean hardwood
asked our Shavon Ron was heavy
		
01:00:09 --> 01:00:11
			will lead to dust.
		
01:00:13 --> 01:00:18
			The religion of lovers is separate
from all other religions. For
		
01:00:18 --> 01:00:22
			lovers madhhab and Miller are God
Himself.
		
01:00:24 --> 01:00:27
			Sounds like the kind of thing to
Gore and Bennett and so forth
		
01:00:27 --> 01:00:32
			would quite like they're following
the religion of love separate from
		
01:00:32 --> 01:00:33
			the other religions.
		
01:00:36 --> 01:00:39
			But of course we know from Rumi
that he prayed and preached in the
		
01:00:39 --> 01:00:45
			Great Mosque in Konya and was,
somebody said mon Bundy or an
		
01:00:45 --> 01:00:50
			Edgar Johnny daarom been hog era
he Mohammed a Mokhtar Ron and the
		
01:00:50 --> 01:00:53
			slave of the Quran. For as long as
I draw breath, I'm dust beneath
		
01:00:53 --> 01:00:55
			the feet of the chosen one
		
01:00:56 --> 01:00:57
			followed a tradition.
		
01:00:59 --> 01:01:07
			So this is what motivates shahidul
Not to leave this nice but rather
		
01:01:07 --> 01:01:08
			wooly ashram
		
01:01:10 --> 01:01:13
			to continue so he goes next to the
town of murals perhaps because
		
01:01:13 --> 01:01:18
			some of the Baja while poor, the
web's courtiers are living there.
		
01:01:19 --> 01:01:24
			But it's also possible that you
remember from last time Idris
		
01:01:24 --> 01:01:28
			father's Shah Silva Akbar Ali Shah
has written the first Muslim
		
01:01:28 --> 01:01:32
			oriented book on Sufism in English
has a house that Val Manziel so it
		
01:01:32 --> 01:01:34
			may be that there were connections
there that he was
		
01:01:36 --> 01:01:37
			looking for.
		
01:01:38 --> 01:01:43
			In any case, he then goes to Delhi
and goes to the Mazhar and his
		
01:01:43 --> 01:01:44
			Ahmed in Alia.
		
01:01:45 --> 01:01:48
			And here he says he found
tremendous spiritual strengthening
		
01:01:48 --> 01:01:52
			and peace. He'd been in a state of
commotion, looking and not finding
		
01:01:52 --> 01:01:55
			and here, he finds himself
grounded and centered again.
		
01:01:57 --> 01:02:02
			He goes in the direction of
Bahawalpur. So he's heading west
		
01:02:02 --> 01:02:07
			now to a place called Dara Navab.
And this is a big kind of Chishti
		
01:02:07 --> 01:02:10
			stronghold in the subcontinent.
And there he meets up with his
		
01:02:10 --> 01:02:15
			older brother, who has also been
wandering around in the realm of
		
01:02:15 --> 01:02:18
			RP meet somebody who becomes a
lifelong friend and
		
01:02:19 --> 01:02:24
			his successor, Captain Wahid
Bosch, and they, the three of them
		
01:02:24 --> 01:02:28
			discussed Sufism late into the
night and agreed that whoever
		
01:02:28 --> 01:02:31
			found the true mercy of the true
guide first would tell the others
		
01:02:33 --> 01:02:37
			well, eight bucks, knows the
terrain somewhat and he suggests
		
01:02:38 --> 01:02:43
			Maulana Ashraf Ali Tanvi, the
great Deobandi scholar head of the
		
01:02:43 --> 01:02:48
			Dale band school and a great Sufi
Chishti, slobbery lover of Rumi
		
01:02:48 --> 01:02:51
			looks promising. So they take the
train to Sahara and pour, the
		
01:02:51 --> 01:02:55
			Hanvey meets them at the station.
And they talked him at length in
		
01:02:55 --> 01:02:57
			order via an interpreter.
		
01:02:59 --> 01:03:04
			The older brother, federal Kappa,
this time is called Farrokh is a
		
01:03:04 --> 01:03:08
			little bit it likes him, but it's
a little bit taken aback by what
		
01:03:08 --> 01:03:13
			he takes to be his strictness and
his formalism. So they're both in
		
01:03:13 --> 01:03:15
			a state of indecision, shall we
shouldn't we?
		
01:03:16 --> 01:03:20
			And then Shahidullah has a dream
in which you see somebody else
		
01:03:20 --> 01:03:21
			with a little girl.
		
01:03:23 --> 01:03:28
			And this, somebody else's your
share is with me. You're part of
		
01:03:28 --> 01:03:33
			Dean as well as dunya. This is a
very famous vision in the Tariqa.
		
01:03:33 --> 01:03:37
			So the leaves are important leave
their band and continue to Roma,
		
01:03:37 --> 01:03:40
			but they didn't know what to do.
They go to Lahore,
		
01:03:41 --> 01:03:46
			course with various famous
Musonda, Dr. Gundry box, they live
		
01:03:46 --> 01:03:49
			there, they look for teacher, they
can't find anybody there for
		
01:03:49 --> 01:03:53
			several months. So then they
decided this is not working. It's
		
01:03:53 --> 01:03:54
			difficult in India.
		
01:03:55 --> 01:03:58
			We're not really part of either
world. We certainly don't go to
		
01:03:58 --> 01:04:03
			the club and clap for a bearer.
But neither really are we part of
		
01:04:03 --> 01:04:06
			the Indian thing with fish out of
water. They decide to go back to
		
01:04:06 --> 01:04:10
			England. The mission is not
accomplished. So they go to take
		
01:04:10 --> 01:04:16
			ship in Bombay buy their tickets.
And then while they're waiting for
		
01:04:16 --> 01:04:19
			the ship to sail, they go to the
Muslim Quarter and they go into a
		
01:04:19 --> 01:04:23
			mosque to pray us together.
Obviously, everybody notices them
		
01:04:23 --> 01:04:25
			because they're both over six feet
tall.
		
01:04:26 --> 01:04:29
			So people are kind of looking and
then somebody comes over to them.
		
01:04:31 --> 01:04:32
			After the prayer
		
01:04:33 --> 01:04:37
			in engaging them in conversation,
the Imam talks to them. And he
		
01:04:37 --> 01:04:40
			says, Oh, well, I have a teacher.
You should meet him before you
		
01:04:40 --> 01:04:44
			leave India say Mohammed xLP shot
of Hyderabad.
		
01:04:45 --> 01:04:50
			He's in Hyderabad at the time. So
they basically tear up their
		
01:04:50 --> 01:04:53
			tickets and take a train instead
of the boat and they go to
		
01:04:53 --> 01:04:57
			Hyderabad, long, difficult
journey. And that's where they
		
01:04:57 --> 01:05:00
			meet him and of course for Ed
recognizes that
		
01:05:00 --> 01:05:05
			must be exactly the man that is
seen in his dream. And luckily xLP
		
01:05:05 --> 01:05:10
			sharp knows English, actually
really well. He's been to Aligarh
		
01:05:10 --> 01:05:15
			is part of that part of modern
Indian Muslim world
		
01:05:16 --> 01:05:23
			as it is already well known, he's
quite close to Jinnah. He knows a
		
01:05:23 --> 01:05:28
			cabal pretty well as part of that
Indian Muslim elite Shotcut ally.
		
01:05:29 --> 01:05:35
			Highly educated, very neat and
dapper, very disciplined, divides
		
01:05:35 --> 01:05:41
			his day very precisely, an expert
on music and poetry, initiated and
		
01:05:41 --> 01:05:45
			authorized to take disciples in
the four major hubs. The four
		
01:05:45 --> 01:05:48
			great therapists of the
subcontinent the NOC Bundys
		
01:05:48 --> 01:05:52
			Srishti, Saba is the CADRE and the
sovereign awardees.
		
01:05:54 --> 01:05:59
			So finally, you know, just when
they thought they were defeated,
		
01:05:59 --> 01:06:03
			and who knows how they would have
continued in England, Providence
		
01:06:03 --> 01:06:06
			has brought them to what they had
intended.
		
01:06:08 --> 01:06:10
			They wanted it beta, of course,
this
		
01:06:11 --> 01:06:14
			the man is a saint, and they see
the signs of that all the time,
		
01:06:14 --> 01:06:19
			and they feel so improved by just
his loss. One of the important
		
01:06:19 --> 01:06:23
			principles of the Chishti
Salisbury principle is just the
		
01:06:23 --> 01:06:27
			shape looking at the meridian
Shahidullah was also able to help
		
01:06:27 --> 01:06:31
			people just just with a glance, so
they're really benefiting, they're
		
01:06:31 --> 01:06:32
			staying in his house.
		
01:06:33 --> 01:06:37
			But they're not offered the bait.
The chef is watching them, testing
		
01:06:37 --> 01:06:37
			them.
		
01:06:39 --> 01:06:40
			Who exactly are they?
		
01:06:41 --> 01:06:46
			And he thinks, Well, maybe they're
like other seekers, or people who
		
01:06:46 --> 01:06:50
			come to the pier, because they
want something. Maybe they want to
		
01:06:50 --> 01:06:51
			see miracles.
		
01:06:52 --> 01:06:56
			Or maybe they want the prestige of
belonging to a famous terracotta
		
01:06:56 --> 01:06:59
			he's well aware of the fact that
most people who think they want
		
01:06:59 --> 01:07:05
			God actually are in it for some
ego thing. So he just kind of
		
01:07:05 --> 01:07:09
			maintains a watching brief. Are
they looking for God? Or are they
		
01:07:09 --> 01:07:12
			just looking for a way of being
		
01:07:13 --> 01:07:20
			but on the third of October 1938,
he grants the BR important moment,
		
01:07:20 --> 01:07:25
			because he realizes that Shaheed
or not is only interested in God.
		
01:07:25 --> 01:07:28
			That's his intention, he wants to
be close to his Lord.
		
01:07:29 --> 01:07:30
			So
		
01:07:32 --> 01:07:36
			let's read from one of Shahid
Allah's later writings here so
		
01:07:36 --> 01:07:40
			that you hear from him directly
rather than from
		
01:07:41 --> 01:07:43
			me Yeah, about the
		
01:07:44 --> 01:07:48
			the need for a teacher but the
reason why some people find it
		
01:07:48 --> 01:07:49
			difficult.
		
01:07:54 --> 01:07:57
			I found chiefly that it's a sort
of arrogance of temperament that
		
01:07:57 --> 01:08:00
			some people call themselves the
devotees and slaves of the noble
		
01:08:00 --> 01:08:04
			prophet. But they're too arrogant
to accept any living person as
		
01:08:04 --> 01:08:07
			anyone greater than themselves.
They want to keep their neck stiff
		
01:08:07 --> 01:08:10
			all the time and don't want to
bend it before anybody living.
		
01:08:11 --> 01:08:12
			This is arrogance and pride.
		
01:08:14 --> 01:08:19
			They say why should you venerate
these people? And then they go to
		
01:08:19 --> 01:08:23
			extremes and say you worship them
which of course we don't. Nobody
		
01:08:23 --> 01:08:26
			worships has any respect, which is
due to a master nothing more than
		
01:08:26 --> 01:08:30
			that. One has to humble himself
before living teacher. I don't
		
01:08:30 --> 01:08:33
			mean to say that he has to become
completely humiliated and
		
01:08:33 --> 01:08:36
			disgraced and degraded. That is
not the idea. He humbles himself
		
01:08:36 --> 01:08:39
			to the extent that he admits
before him that I don't know and
		
01:08:39 --> 01:08:44
			you know, that I'm incompetent and
you are competent. This much, that
		
01:08:44 --> 01:08:47
			is all just to accept that
somebody knows more than you
		
01:08:47 --> 01:08:51
			somebody who can teach you except
that he is a grade above you that
		
01:08:51 --> 01:08:51
			all
		
01:08:52 --> 01:08:55
			people will have this pride within
them hide it in so many arguments
		
01:08:55 --> 01:08:58
			that really it's the pride that
they don't want to accept anyone
		
01:08:58 --> 01:09:00
			who is greater than themselves.
		
01:09:01 --> 01:09:05
			But those words of course still
still apply. We've all got our
		
01:09:05 --> 01:09:09
			noses in the air so he stays in
Hyderabad with the chef for almost
		
01:09:09 --> 01:09:09
			a year.
		
01:09:11 --> 01:09:14
			A lot of discipline. This is a
hard School of Sufism.
		
01:09:16 --> 01:09:20
			Early morning thicker. A lot of
Ziad that, a lot of fasting
		
01:09:22 --> 01:09:25
			he spends all of Ramadan in the
marshes house they read to just
		
01:09:25 --> 01:09:30
			have the Quran every night. The
oddest commemorations really
		
01:09:30 --> 01:09:33
			important for the church to to
this day, that discipline of
		
01:09:35 --> 01:09:38
			obliging oneself for me to
remember God every 10 minutes.
		
01:09:40 --> 01:09:45
			And of course, that the difficulty
of living in a country with people
		
01:09:45 --> 01:09:48
			who are impoverished is very often
sick.
		
01:09:49 --> 01:09:52
			Often loses weight quite
disastrously is almost a skeleton
		
01:09:52 --> 01:09:56
			at times that people are worried
about him about the two of them.
		
01:09:58 --> 01:09:59
			No air conditioning temperature,
maybe
		
01:10:00 --> 01:10:04
			50 Plus, in the summer, he's not
going to go to similar to hang out
		
01:10:04 --> 01:10:08
			with chaps at the hill station.
He's gone native.
		
01:10:10 --> 01:10:13
			And then of course, the Second
World War starts and he goes to
		
01:10:13 --> 01:10:15
			join the army in Bahawalpur.
		
01:10:18 --> 01:10:20
			And they are both commissioned as
lieutenants.
		
01:10:22 --> 01:10:25
			This helps him a little bit to
recover from some of the recurrent
		
01:10:25 --> 01:10:26
			fevers which is had
		
01:10:28 --> 01:10:33
			and he uses the opportunity in the
army to learn Arabic, Persian and
		
01:10:33 --> 01:10:34
			Oriental.
		
01:10:35 --> 01:10:39
			Later on when he married his wife
helps him to master order as well.
		
01:10:39 --> 01:10:42
			So towards the end of his life, he
wasn't speaking English very much.
		
01:10:42 --> 01:10:45
			Although he said he used to pray
in English interestingly, mcdyess
		
01:10:45 --> 01:10:48
			in English, but his classes were
all in order. He also learnt
		
01:10:48 --> 01:10:50
			Punjabi and pastoral, apparently
		
01:10:52 --> 01:10:54
			1945 The war is over his demobbed.
		
01:10:56 --> 01:10:59
			Then of course, partition and
synergy, I've got a few
		
01:10:59 --> 01:11:01
			photographs of him, you might want
to pass these around. I didn't
		
01:11:01 --> 01:11:05
			bother with the PowerPoint, but
they're quite evocative, just a
		
01:11:05 --> 01:11:12
			few 3047 partition, he moves to
Karachi, where he starts a
		
01:11:12 --> 01:11:16
			business is the tradition to sell
off, of course, not to be a
		
01:11:16 --> 01:11:19
			dependent monk, but to work.
		
01:11:22 --> 01:11:25
			starts in paper, of course, that's
the family business, blanket
		
01:11:25 --> 01:11:30
			factory. His father who is
observing all of this with both of
		
01:11:30 --> 01:11:34
			his son's with kind of horror,
father's really rich, since isn't
		
01:11:34 --> 01:11:37
			the money, but he refuses it, he
sends it back again, from the
		
01:11:37 --> 01:11:43
			bank. Then his father sends him 50
taxes so he can start a taxi
		
01:11:43 --> 01:11:46
			business. Then he realizes that,
		
01:11:47 --> 01:11:53
			given local corruption, if he
actually pays his Pakistan tax
		
01:11:53 --> 01:11:57
			bill, on the taxes, he's going to
make a loss. The only way he can
		
01:11:57 --> 01:12:00
			run that business is if his
corrupt and he refuses to do that.
		
01:12:00 --> 01:12:02
			So the taxes just get given away.
		
01:12:04 --> 01:12:09
			At this point, Pakistan exists he
renounces his British citizenship
		
01:12:09 --> 01:12:11
			and becomes a Pakistani national.
		
01:12:13 --> 01:12:15
			So what's happening to the older
brother? Well, the older brothers
		
01:12:15 --> 01:12:19
			is William Matthew Leonard known
in the family as Pat.
		
01:12:20 --> 01:12:24
			He's also taken the bait art a
little bit later than the younger
		
01:12:24 --> 01:12:24
			brother.
		
01:12:28 --> 01:12:31
			But there seems to be difficulty
in having it right away, because
		
01:12:32 --> 01:12:36
			it seems that Saki Shah regards
there as though as being a genuine
		
01:12:37 --> 01:12:41
			by our connection between him and
shoe on still, and he won't accept
		
01:12:41 --> 01:12:45
			him as a disciple if there's still
that connection. So Pat has to go
		
01:12:45 --> 01:12:51
			to Switzerland and formally sever
his connection with Shawn and his
		
01:12:51 --> 01:12:52
			order.
		
01:12:54 --> 01:12:59
			And he comes straight back to
India. In 1940, he finally takes a
		
01:13:01 --> 01:13:06
			while, Saki Shah, who is by this
time very much in Muslim League
		
01:13:06 --> 01:13:10
			activism and as a delegate is in
Lahore for a big all India Muslim
		
01:13:10 --> 01:13:14
			concrete Congress event. There is
a girl from Meerut,
		
01:13:15 --> 01:13:16
			but like his brother,
		
01:13:18 --> 01:13:21
			is living in very considerable
poverty and circumstances to which
		
01:13:21 --> 01:13:25
			his metabolism finds it difficult
to adjust means that he's really
		
01:13:25 --> 01:13:25
			sick.
		
01:13:27 --> 01:13:31
			Malaria and pneumonia. Malaria is
not really curable, you can just
		
01:13:31 --> 01:13:32
			manage the symptoms.
		
01:13:34 --> 01:13:39
			And there's brother Shahidullah,
never really accustomed himself to
		
01:13:39 --> 01:13:43
			the local food. He's digested and
never quite gets used to it and is
		
01:13:43 --> 01:13:49
			often in a state of indigestion
and as I said, becomes very thin.
		
01:13:50 --> 01:13:56
			So, Pat is finally taken to
hospital in Lahore. 1945. really
		
01:13:56 --> 01:14:00
			ill seems to be on his deathbed
and his younger brothers
		
01:14:00 --> 01:14:05
			constantly. It is his bedside, not
not eating, not leaving the
		
01:14:05 --> 01:14:07
			hospital for days doing vicar.
		
01:14:08 --> 01:14:08
			And then
		
01:14:09 --> 01:14:14
			his condition worsens. Finally
Shahidullah has persuaded you
		
01:14:14 --> 01:14:18
			can't stay indefinitely, just by
your brother. So it goes out but
		
01:14:18 --> 01:14:23
			then a phone call, calls him back
and his brother Farrokh has died.
		
01:14:24 --> 01:14:29
			And so he sits by the bed with his
brother's body there and wondering
		
01:14:30 --> 01:14:33
			whether maybe he has made a
mistake coming to India is such a
		
01:14:33 --> 01:14:34
			horrible disaster.
		
01:14:36 --> 01:14:43
			But then he has a vision. He sees
the only app around his bed in the
		
01:14:43 --> 01:14:47
			presence of the Holy Prophet and
this is a true Dream Vision stays
		
01:14:47 --> 01:14:49
			with him for the rest of his life
and that's a kind of consolation
		
01:14:49 --> 01:14:50
			for him.
		
01:14:53 --> 01:14:58
			The two are kind of known in
Lahore and a local civil servant
		
01:14:58 --> 01:14:59
			who has a kind of reserved
		
01:15:00 --> 01:15:05
			To grave spot in that bizarre
complex, foot weary office in his
		
01:15:05 --> 01:15:09
			space, and so far oak is buried
there, pretty close to hedge wiry,
		
01:15:09 --> 01:15:11
			and to this day if you
		
01:15:12 --> 01:15:17
			if you know how to find your way
through the complex, which is very
		
01:15:17 --> 01:15:23
			subtle place, you can find the two
of Faruk, Saab, the Englishman,
		
01:15:23 --> 01:15:27
			Pat Leonard, who is buried as a
Muslim, Pierre and people come
		
01:15:27 --> 01:15:28
			from the era.
		
01:15:29 --> 01:15:36
			So that's a that's a blow. Because
they'd been very close 3046 At the
		
01:15:36 --> 01:15:41
			age of 31, he gets married. His
marshes daughter Rasheeda.
		
01:15:41 --> 01:15:47
			Remember the dream. So the marine
Ozma Sharif, this had been on the
		
01:15:47 --> 01:15:50
			cards for some time. And it's
clear that this was the little
		
01:15:50 --> 01:15:55
			girl that had originally seen with
xLP shark in his initial dream in
		
01:15:55 --> 01:15:56
			Delhi.
		
01:15:58 --> 01:16:01
			And it had been on the cards for
some time, but clearly a sign of
		
01:16:01 --> 01:16:06
			the chef's respect for him. And
later, she used to say that once
		
01:16:06 --> 01:16:10
			were in the house, she was coming
downstairs. He looked at her twice
		
01:16:11 --> 01:16:13
			before the amount looked at her
twice. And so she went to her
		
01:16:13 --> 01:16:15
			father complaining, say, Well, who
are these people who have in your
		
01:16:15 --> 01:16:19
			house and kind of looking at the
daughters of the house. And after
		
01:16:19 --> 01:16:23
			they were married, he'd explained,
he'd looked at her a second time
		
01:16:23 --> 01:16:26
			to make sure that she was the same
woman that he'd seen in the dream
		
01:16:28 --> 01:16:31
			is always a very attentive
husband. When they had a garden he
		
01:16:31 --> 01:16:35
			would always pick flowers from the
garden and put out flowers for her
		
01:16:36 --> 01:16:37
			every day.
		
01:16:40 --> 01:16:44
			And in his will he provided for
his wife he appointed designated
		
01:16:44 --> 01:16:47
			five Marines, who after his death
would take care of her and she
		
01:16:47 --> 01:16:51
			actually is very competent takes
over most of the functions of the
		
01:16:51 --> 01:16:54
			tourney after his death she
doesn't 99 to
		
01:16:56 --> 01:17:01
			the next event is not in 51 when
Saki Shah prepares to go to their
		
01:17:01 --> 01:17:07
			Hajj and the disciples accompany
the masjid basura to Baghdad they
		
01:17:07 --> 01:17:12
			take the train for the zero. I've
recorded Gilani them.
		
01:17:13 --> 01:17:19
			And then in Medina, specific
practices very sober look, this is
		
01:17:19 --> 01:17:23
			a sober kind of study of out. So
Keisha advises just one Z Ara to
		
01:17:23 --> 01:17:29
			the tomb every day, no more. Stand
in silence. Don't ask for
		
01:17:29 --> 01:17:33
			anything. All of that today
because our hours are canceled
		
01:17:33 --> 01:17:37
			except just for silhouette. And
from us or until Asia, they will
		
01:17:37 --> 01:17:39
			sit in the sofa that was their
practice.
		
01:17:41 --> 01:17:47
			Then, from ombre to natok Minar
artifacts,
		
01:17:49 --> 01:17:54
			all kinds of dreams, openings,
joyful prayers. Zaki Shah,
		
01:17:54 --> 01:18:01
			however, dies on Arafat on the day
of Arafat. So, a climax but also
		
01:18:02 --> 01:18:03
			calamity.
		
01:18:04 --> 01:18:08
			So they return. And he immediately
has to take on responsibilities
		
01:18:08 --> 01:18:10
			because his wife is the only
surviving member of the Schiff's
		
01:18:11 --> 01:18:13
			family and of the sencilla.
		
01:18:16 --> 01:18:20
			That there's no designated
successor. familiar situation.
		
01:18:22 --> 01:18:25
			We know that xLP Shah had
frequently requested Shahidullah
		
01:18:26 --> 01:18:27
			to lead the vicar circles.
		
01:18:29 --> 01:18:33
			After his death, he was very
reluctant to accept any kind of
		
01:18:33 --> 01:18:36
			leadership responsibility.
Remember the kind of guiding theme
		
01:18:36 --> 01:18:41
			of these lectures that you know
total Imara don't seek authority,
		
01:18:41 --> 01:18:42
			the prophetic command.
		
01:18:43 --> 01:18:48
			But then he has a dream of puppet
and Sharif, where he says the
		
01:18:48 --> 01:18:52
			great Baba Fareed showing him how
to take br From people which is a
		
01:18:52 --> 01:18:55
			specific way quite unlike a selfie
chars method.
		
01:18:56 --> 01:19:00
			And that's one reason why he has
the soubriquet fair ad because he
		
01:19:00 --> 01:19:02
			has a particular connection to
		
01:19:03 --> 01:19:07
			Mother Fareed, and he maintains
this style of taking br Which is
		
01:19:07 --> 01:19:09
			Baba for each throughout his life.
		
01:19:11 --> 01:19:15
			A number of other Toyoko members
have dreams and visions. And so
		
01:19:15 --> 01:19:19
			reluctantly, he agrees is going to
take on this massive
		
01:19:19 --> 01:19:20
			responsibility.
		
01:19:21 --> 01:19:26
			Conditions for BI you have to
guard the three ions. I am Arkell,
		
01:19:28 --> 01:19:33
			knowledge, the mind, love these
are the three eyes with which you
		
01:19:33 --> 01:19:38
			perceive which have to be
regulated. Now don't be shy didn't
		
01:19:38 --> 01:19:42
			have much of a permission or a
vocation for large numbers of
		
01:19:42 --> 01:19:47
			disciples. But with Fareed it was
very different and 1000s upon
		
01:19:47 --> 01:19:51
			1000s of people mainly in
Pakistan, but also in India. In
		
01:19:51 --> 01:19:54
			rank poor in what's now Bangladesh
there is still his disciples there
		
01:19:55 --> 01:19:59
			suddenly becomes a mass mass
movement.
		
01:20:01 --> 01:20:05
			Quite often they'll come as is
common to discuss worldly matters,
		
01:20:05 --> 01:20:08
			marriage issues, what should I do
with my business, he was noted for
		
01:20:08 --> 01:20:12
			his patience with such people
carried on a very extensive
		
01:20:12 --> 01:20:16
			correspondence, some of the people
from the elites, but generally it
		
01:20:16 --> 01:20:20
			was the poor people that seem to
have found his gatherings
		
01:20:21 --> 01:20:26
			effective. So, the center of
gravity now, because of partition,
		
01:20:27 --> 01:20:30
			which has disrupted so much in
Muslim India has shifted from
		
01:20:30 --> 01:20:35
			ultrasound to puck pattern. And
the kind of small house was opened
		
01:20:35 --> 01:20:39
			for him there. Great simplicity
was always his watchword. Most of
		
01:20:39 --> 01:20:43
			his life he lived just in a single
room, sitting on the floor.
		
01:20:44 --> 01:20:48
			He's not been back to England for
this time, but in 1956, his mother
		
01:20:48 --> 01:20:52
			Ruth is very sick. So he goes back
to England to see her as his first
		
01:20:52 --> 01:20:58
			trip for 16 years. And he reported
that on her deathbed, she did make
		
01:20:58 --> 01:21:02
			her shahada thankful shortly
afterwards, and she offered him
		
01:21:02 --> 01:21:06
			some jewelry, but he refused it.
He only took one small thing,
		
01:21:06 --> 01:21:09
			which is kind of Memento just to
have something to remember her by.
		
01:21:11 --> 01:21:13
			returns to these responsibilities.
		
01:21:14 --> 01:21:14
			And
		
01:21:16 --> 01:21:19
			Sunday mornings were his great
time for teaching,
		
01:21:20 --> 01:21:25
			much of which took the form of
D'Arcy Hadith Hadith commentary.
		
01:21:25 --> 01:21:28
			He would also like to read the
famous letters
		
01:21:30 --> 01:21:34
			the mucked about is Saudi, the 100
letters of Sharafuddin mannery
		
01:21:35 --> 01:21:39
			very early Sufi of North India has
been translated by
		
01:21:40 --> 01:21:44
			Paul Jackson into English. He was
a disciple of Nissan that didn't
		
01:21:44 --> 01:21:45
			hold out and
		
01:21:46 --> 01:21:51
			very popular form of teaching in
the Chishti world. Another text he
		
01:21:51 --> 01:21:58
			liked was the RF RF of Abu Huff's.
So rewarding may detect obviously
		
01:21:58 --> 01:22:02
			for the sort of idea. And one of
the great four or five best known
		
01:22:02 --> 01:22:06
			introductory manuals to the
fullness of Islam the outer form
		
01:22:06 --> 01:22:07
			the inward meaning.
		
01:22:10 --> 01:22:14
			After they're thicker, they will
often read from the writings of
		
01:22:14 --> 01:22:18
			Zopi sharp, and then he will
provide a commentary of his own
		
01:22:20 --> 01:22:21
			form of the vicar.
		
01:22:24 --> 01:22:28
			Again, this is one of the books
which you can't really get in this
		
01:22:28 --> 01:22:30
			country, but which is a collection
of
		
01:22:32 --> 01:22:36
			talks that were taped and then
transcribed, so the form is fairly
		
01:22:36 --> 01:22:37
			informal.
		
01:22:40 --> 01:22:42
			In some nice things about liquor.
		
01:22:45 --> 01:22:48
			In surah tomb was in Mill Allah
has himself commanded the Holy
		
01:22:48 --> 01:22:53
			Prophet to remember him with
chorus Murghab pika, what a battle
		
01:22:53 --> 01:22:59
			electrotype de la remember the
name of thy Lord and isolate
		
01:22:59 --> 01:23:01
			yourself to Him in total
isolation.
		
01:23:02 --> 01:23:06
			This means to remember the name of
your rub, Master Lord, he has
		
01:23:06 --> 01:23:10
			mentioned that word NAME
particularly, is not just simply
		
01:23:10 --> 01:23:14
			said to remember a lot, but to
remember the name. So, this is
		
01:23:14 --> 01:23:17
			significant, there is some hidden
purpose in taking the name,
		
01:23:18 --> 01:23:20
			whether you take an aloud with
your voice or you say it with the
		
01:23:20 --> 01:23:24
			inner voice, which we have, we can
say something with an inner voice
		
01:23:24 --> 01:23:27
			with no outward expression. Still
the name is there where words are
		
01:23:27 --> 01:23:32
			formulated, we can formulate words
in the heart to there is a
		
01:23:32 --> 01:23:35
			definite purpose in the name. That
is why to begin with people are
		
01:23:35 --> 01:23:39
			given this teaching of repeating
the name of Allah. simply
		
01:23:39 --> 01:23:43
			repeating it as a word or a sound,
of course is not the aim. The aim
		
01:23:43 --> 01:23:46
			is to fill one's soul with his
feeling of his presence, to become
		
01:23:46 --> 01:23:50
			perfectly conscious of his
presence. This is possible in this
		
01:23:50 --> 01:23:54
			way because when we call upon
Allah He is present. It says in
		
01:23:54 --> 01:23:59
			the Quran, would only SDG bloco
call upon me, and I will reply.
		
01:24:01 --> 01:24:04
			In the Hadith, the noble Prophet
sallallahu alayhi wa sallam has
		
01:24:04 --> 01:24:07
			made it clear to us. In fact, he
has given it in the words of Allah
		
01:24:07 --> 01:24:12
			that Allah says that I am with
that person who remembers me. And
		
01:24:12 --> 01:24:17
			I hope either Karani was of this
kind that I'm with that person who
		
01:24:17 --> 01:24:22
			remembers me. That means to say
that he then comes, you call him
		
01:24:22 --> 01:24:24
			so he comes, he is present.
		
01:24:25 --> 01:24:28
			It is not only our own effort, if
it were our own effort, then we
		
01:24:28 --> 01:24:31
			can call and call and we would
never gain anything by it. But
		
01:24:31 --> 01:24:35
			it's not like this. When we call
then he comes and by this attempt,
		
01:24:35 --> 01:24:38
			we try to fill ourselves with his
consciousness. This is really done
		
01:24:38 --> 01:24:40
			by him, not by us.
		
01:24:42 --> 01:24:45
			What is required is there are so
many expressions. One speaks of
		
01:24:45 --> 01:24:47
			self sacrifice self Abnegation.
		
01:24:49 --> 01:24:53
			Abnegation of course means to deny
oneself. Although usually self
		
01:24:53 --> 01:24:57
			Abnegation means to deny oneself
the things which one likes. Here
		
01:24:57 --> 01:24:59
			I'm using the word in a different
sense.
		
01:25:00 --> 01:25:02
			If that is to deny oneself
altogether,
		
01:25:04 --> 01:25:06
			people talk about some other
expression like self annihilation
		
01:25:06 --> 01:25:11
			and self obliteration. what one
has to do is to try to remove
		
01:25:11 --> 01:25:14
			these thoughts of self that I want
this and I want that I feel this
		
01:25:14 --> 01:25:17
			and so on. Try to feel a lot only.
		
01:25:20 --> 01:25:23
			Of course, at first you will feel
yourself at Allah because a person
		
01:25:23 --> 01:25:26
			has a feeling of his own
existence. This is something
		
01:25:26 --> 01:25:29
			natural to a person, he cannot rid
himself with this feeling that I
		
01:25:29 --> 01:25:34
			am, this is his basic being. In
fact, some philosophers have said
		
01:25:34 --> 01:25:36
			that this is the basis of all
knowledge, it is true because
		
01:25:37 --> 01:25:40
			before all knowledge comes this
feeling of this knowledge that I
		
01:25:40 --> 01:25:41
			am I exist,
		
01:25:43 --> 01:25:46
			there comes a stage as a member
because Allah has pointed out, in
		
01:25:46 --> 01:25:49
			fact, all the Sufis have pointed
out, that when a person gets so
		
01:25:49 --> 01:25:52
			totally absorbed in the object of
his remembrance, and has really
		
01:25:52 --> 01:25:54
			filled himself with his
consciousness, that he forgets
		
01:25:54 --> 01:25:59
			even this basic consciousness of I
Am, even goes beyond this, he has
		
01:25:59 --> 01:26:03
			no awareness of his own existence.
This is the perfection of this
		
01:26:03 --> 01:26:05
			process of trying to become
absorbed, absorbed in the
		
01:26:05 --> 01:26:09
			consciousness of his presence, the
awareness of His presence. So this
		
01:26:09 --> 01:26:11
			is what vicar means.
		
01:26:12 --> 01:26:13
			And there's more
		
01:26:15 --> 01:26:17
			from this is from actually one of
his, his classes.
		
01:26:19 --> 01:26:22
			He wrote a number of books, some
of them based on his many
		
01:26:22 --> 01:26:26
			discourses, tarbiyah, TL or sharp,
which is basically a compilation
		
01:26:26 --> 01:26:31
			which he put together of his
teacher xLP chars, teachings, he
		
01:26:31 --> 01:26:34
			has what is probably an English is
best known book in aspects of
		
01:26:34 --> 01:26:37
			faith, which does sometimes appear
in some bookshops in the UK.
		
01:26:38 --> 01:26:42
			And also these multiples that are
printed as spirituality and
		
01:26:42 --> 01:26:46
			religion. A very basic
introduction to Islam book called
		
01:26:46 --> 01:26:50
			everyday practice in Islam, how to
pray, how to fast, why to pray,
		
01:26:50 --> 01:26:51
			why to fast and so on.
		
01:26:53 --> 01:26:55
			But also help the trustee
community
		
01:26:56 --> 01:27:00
			by writing to the British Library
and obtaining manuscripts
		
01:27:01 --> 01:27:04
			of trustee texts, which he then
translated into, although
		
01:27:07 --> 01:27:11
			we've seen that his finding his
existence in
		
01:27:12 --> 01:27:13
			the subcontinent,
		
01:27:14 --> 01:27:16
			very taxing physically.
		
01:27:19 --> 01:27:23
			At the age of 59, he has his first
heart attack is hospitalized for
		
01:27:23 --> 01:27:23
			two months.
		
01:27:24 --> 01:27:27
			He used to describe illnesses,
there's a cat of the body, it's
		
01:27:27 --> 01:27:30
			kind of something that you give
and it's the sort of purification
		
01:27:31 --> 01:27:35
			insisted on continuing with his
practices and seeing his
		
01:27:35 --> 01:27:36
			disciples.
		
01:27:39 --> 01:27:44
			And just as an example of the, his
insistence of following the
		
01:27:44 --> 01:27:47
			prophetic example of living with
the poor,
		
01:27:48 --> 01:27:52
			when he first moved to Karachi, he
moved to a room above a baker's
		
01:27:52 --> 01:27:56
			shop. And Karachi is pretty hot.
But above a baker's shop is like
		
01:27:56 --> 01:28:00
			being in the oven. But he stayed
there for a very long time is an
		
01:28:00 --> 01:28:04
			extraordinarily difficult
circumstance. So you can imagine
		
01:28:04 --> 01:28:05
			it takes a toll on his health.
		
01:28:07 --> 01:28:10
			Notice MDA ill again, taken to
hospital again.
		
01:28:12 --> 01:28:15
			While he's there, he's apparently
more concerned with his wife's
		
01:28:15 --> 01:28:19
			health than than his own goes into
intensive care.
		
01:28:20 --> 01:28:24
			And then one of the last things
that he says is, who are all those
		
01:28:24 --> 01:28:27
			men dressed in white are the
Tablighi is
		
01:28:28 --> 01:28:32
			then he realized that the time has
come for him to depart. This is
		
01:28:32 --> 01:28:32
			it.
		
01:28:41 --> 01:28:44
			People also realize that the last
Hellcat the last circle of
		
01:28:44 --> 01:28:48
			teaching he'd ever given, he
actually ended it with the word
		
01:28:48 --> 01:28:51
			holder half is I'd never done that
before. So people thought well,
		
01:28:51 --> 01:28:56
			this is some kind of Valediction.
So on the 17th of Ramadan, he
		
01:28:56 --> 01:29:01
			dies. Next day is buried in the
Sufi Hassan cemetery in Karachi.
		
01:29:03 --> 01:29:10
			And he appoints Suraj Ali Khalifa
dies in 2009. Janessa is obviously
		
01:29:10 --> 01:29:14
			a big thing in Karachi, attended
by a lot of people. And according
		
01:29:14 --> 01:29:18
			to one of the people who wrote to
me there was a 13 year old boy in
		
01:29:18 --> 01:29:22
			Karachi, who saw a dream in which
the Holy Prophet was leading a
		
01:29:22 --> 01:29:26
			janazah prayer. When he woke up he
learned that his neighbor Shaheed
		
01:29:26 --> 01:29:30
			a lifer, Edie had died. And he
went to the Junos and he saw it
		
01:29:30 --> 01:29:35
			was in exactly the same form. So
there's the outward sort of
		
01:29:36 --> 01:29:39
			contours of his life.
		
01:29:42 --> 01:29:48
			things to bear in mind that his
was a way of subtle not of soccer,
		
01:29:49 --> 01:29:54
			that is to say of sobriety. He was
a very calm person. He was not
		
01:29:54 --> 01:29:59
			inclined to intoxicated ecstatic
dancing expressions of religion.
		
01:30:01 --> 01:30:04
			Even though he lived in very
considerable poverty, to the
		
01:30:04 --> 01:30:09
			exasperation of his parents, he
said, do not reject the world but
		
01:30:09 --> 01:30:10
			abstain from it.
		
01:30:12 --> 01:30:17
			Very gentle in his techniques. If
people had problems with drink
		
01:30:18 --> 01:30:23
			addiction, and so forth,
neglecting prayers, He would wind
		
01:30:23 --> 01:30:27
			them very gently away from those
things rather than being stern
		
01:30:27 --> 01:30:31
			with them and risking driving them
away. And usually His instruction
		
01:30:31 --> 01:30:35
			to people his advice would take
the form of indirect hints, rather
		
01:30:35 --> 01:30:36
			than commands.
		
01:30:39 --> 01:30:41
			Here's another thing from an email
		
01:30:42 --> 01:30:47
			from somebody who heard things
from his father who was his
		
01:30:48 --> 01:30:48
			disciple
		
01:30:52 --> 01:30:55
			which again indicates this kind of
moderate and
		
01:30:57 --> 01:30:59
			sober type of religion
		
01:31:00 --> 01:31:03
			and the dangers of alternatives.
One other story which my father
		
01:31:03 --> 01:31:06
			related to men, which I find
particularly significant, in light
		
01:31:06 --> 01:31:09
			of the lecture shahidul offer
really gave about the importance
		
01:31:09 --> 01:31:12
			of a shaping protecting a marine
from the overwhelming effects are
		
01:31:12 --> 01:31:16
			the practices of disorder. My
father, who was a small boy at the
		
01:31:16 --> 01:31:19
			time, had an older cousin in his
early 20s, who would often visit
		
01:31:19 --> 01:31:22
			shahidul light and sit quietly in
the corner and observe as others
		
01:31:22 --> 01:31:24
			interacted with the shape.
		
01:31:25 --> 01:31:27
			Finally, after many visits,
Shahidullah asked him what he
		
01:31:27 --> 01:31:31
			seeks. My father's cousin told
him, I want to experience
		
01:31:31 --> 01:31:35
			closeness to Allah, please, would
you remove the veil that separates
		
01:31:35 --> 01:31:36
			me from him?
		
01:31:38 --> 01:31:40
			Shahidullah replied in the
negative, wanting him that he was
		
01:31:40 --> 01:31:44
			too immature spiritually to bear
the burden of that closeness.
		
01:31:45 --> 01:31:48
			My father's cousin persisted
through several subsequent visits,
		
01:31:48 --> 01:31:50
			and finally shahidul, like
relented.
		
01:31:51 --> 01:31:54
			It's unclear exactly how it
happened. But the short of it is
		
01:31:54 --> 01:31:59
			that Shahidullah removed the veil.
For the subsequent several days,
		
01:31:59 --> 01:32:02
			my father's cousin went into a
major zorb state, repeating again
		
01:32:02 --> 01:32:05
			and again, only that the majesty
of what he was seeing was too
		
01:32:05 --> 01:32:09
			great for him to bear. I'm
paraphrasing here. After several
		
01:32:09 --> 01:32:13
			days of this, my father's cousin's
mother sick with worry, visited
		
01:32:13 --> 01:32:16
			Shahidullah and asked him to undo
whatever it was that he had done.
		
01:32:18 --> 01:32:21
			Shahidullah summit my father's
cousin went on, did the unveiling,
		
01:32:22 --> 01:32:25
			returning the young man to his
former state.
		
01:32:26 --> 01:32:28
			My father was a small boy at the
time. So the memories are a bit
		
01:32:28 --> 01:32:31
			broad in their strokes. But it's
another story I thought worth
		
01:32:31 --> 01:32:32
			sharing.
		
01:32:34 --> 01:32:38
			So yeah, it's a kind of very
classical, medieval image of
		
01:32:38 --> 01:32:42
			sainthood. There's no kind of
modernism or fundamentalism or
		
01:32:42 --> 01:32:45
			anything about this, it plunged
absolutely into the heart of the
		
01:32:46 --> 01:32:47
			normative tradition.
		
01:32:51 --> 01:32:55
			And the poverty in particular,
impress people or not when his
		
01:32:55 --> 01:33:00
			father died, he wouldn't touch the
inheritance, which he made over to
		
01:33:00 --> 01:33:04
			his sister instead, who calculated
that the dividend from the
		
01:33:04 --> 01:33:08
			investments was around 2 million
pounds a year. So it's really
		
01:33:08 --> 01:33:13
			turning down the 14. He always
wore simple dress and there's
		
01:33:13 --> 01:33:16
			going to weddings. And if you look
at pictures of him, you can see
		
01:33:16 --> 01:33:19
			that he doesn't wear the kind of
big turban thing
		
01:33:20 --> 01:33:25
			that is common amongst chefs in
some cultures. Usually he dressed
		
01:33:25 --> 01:33:26
			very simply.
		
01:33:27 --> 01:33:31
			He accepted music is an atrocity
tradition, and he listened to it.
		
01:33:31 --> 01:33:35
			He enjoyed reading the novels of
PJ Woodhouse apparently Jeeves and
		
01:33:35 --> 01:33:35
			Wooster.
		
01:33:38 --> 01:33:40
			Another thing that he taught was
that one should not emigrate to
		
01:33:40 --> 01:33:44
			the west for the Sandia to said,
		
01:33:45 --> 01:33:48
			they should stay in Pakistan and
benefit it they will be happier.
		
01:33:49 --> 01:33:52
			So he himself had emulated the
Hijra at the migration of the Holy
		
01:33:52 --> 01:33:54
			Prophet to and for Islam.
		
01:33:55 --> 01:33:58
			He says, if you put your child in
a pool of water, he will
		
01:33:58 --> 01:33:59
			definitely get wet.
		
01:34:01 --> 01:34:03
			So watch out for sending your
children to schools in the West.
		
01:34:04 --> 01:34:06
			And he says those who studied in
the West should return as soon as
		
01:34:06 --> 01:34:08
			possible in order to benefit their
people.
		
01:34:10 --> 01:34:15
			Meticulous in his following of the
Sunnah. And even people point out
		
01:34:15 --> 01:34:20
			that his his beta came at the age
of 40. And his death came at the
		
01:34:20 --> 01:34:23
			age of 63. So there's prophetic
parallels. They're
		
01:34:24 --> 01:34:29
			very, very clearly humble like the
Holy Prophet, he would ask advice
		
01:34:29 --> 01:34:30
			from children.
		
01:34:31 --> 01:34:35
			Very strong spiritual attachment
to the Holy Prophets on a wet
		
01:34:35 --> 01:34:40
			amongst his most beloved
devotions, vicar, particularly
		
01:34:40 --> 01:34:41
			Mondays and Thursdays
		
01:34:43 --> 01:34:48
			emphasize the importance of
constant making a small efforts,
		
01:34:49 --> 01:34:52
			Mujahidin had he said that even
delaying a small desire for 10
		
01:34:52 --> 01:34:54
			minutes is very helpful.
		
01:34:55 --> 01:34:58
			So I won't eat that bar of
chocolate now but in 10 minutes
		
01:34:58 --> 01:34:59
			time even that he says is good for
you.
		
01:35:01 --> 01:35:04
			or changing one's resolution. If
you have a habit that you always
		
01:35:04 --> 01:35:08
			walk in a particular way, change
it walk in a different way that
		
01:35:08 --> 01:35:11
			helps you to wake up and be more
alert. He says, People these days
		
01:35:11 --> 01:35:14
			a week can carry little. So you
have to give them these basic
		
01:35:14 --> 01:35:15
			disciplines.
		
01:35:16 --> 01:35:20
			Again, the poverty, sometimes he
wouldn't teach them a book because
		
01:35:20 --> 01:35:21
			he couldn't afford to buy it.
		
01:35:24 --> 01:35:28
			love of nature when he moved out
of this room above the bakery,
		
01:35:28 --> 01:35:31
			which apparently was just six feet
long.
		
01:35:33 --> 01:35:35
			Some of the disciples said
actually, he couldn't stretch out
		
01:35:35 --> 01:35:38
			on it. That's one of their
recollections. So then he moved
		
01:35:38 --> 01:35:41
			into a kind of bungalow, he had a
garden he had a love of nature.
		
01:35:44 --> 01:35:49
			Famous for the answer ability if
his prayers sometimes people
		
01:35:49 --> 01:35:53
			observed that they would go to the
chef with the intention of asking
		
01:35:53 --> 01:35:56
			a question but to his philosophy
he would answer the question
		
01:35:56 --> 01:35:59
			before they asked it which again
is very standard if you've
		
01:35:59 --> 01:36:01
			associated with Alia
		
01:36:03 --> 01:36:08
			so I'm going to end just with one
of his disciples eulogistic ores
		
01:36:08 --> 01:36:12
			that they have there have not been
at this place in Karachi is still
		
01:36:12 --> 01:36:16
			a big event. This people are still
they're still publishing.
		
01:36:18 --> 01:36:21
			But this is a eulogy by one of his
disciples.
		
01:36:22 --> 01:36:27
			Rosa shump Daraa Ashley Mola, John
in Zakharova, soft sofa who Tora
		
01:36:27 --> 01:36:32
			Bora is eternity Emani more this
should be aura had no borders
		
01:36:32 --> 01:36:36
			Auntie aura had no board, or
bizarre hair Malda insaan Hulk had
		
01:36:36 --> 01:36:37
			done that.
		
01:36:39 --> 01:36:42
			Which they translate like this day
and night he burnt his frail self
		
01:36:42 --> 01:36:46
			in the love of his Lord. He burned
his own self in order to improve
		
01:36:46 --> 01:36:51
			our faith. His love had no limit,
limit his composure, no bounds,
		
01:36:52 --> 01:36:55
			visibly a human but constantly
immersed in God.
		
01:36:56 --> 01:37:00
			It's very kind of unlike say that
armored Bullock story or the other
		
01:37:01 --> 01:37:03
			convert stories which we've looked
at here we have the case of
		
01:37:03 --> 01:37:08
			somebody who makes a permanent
hitter at eastwards and immerses
		
01:37:08 --> 01:37:13
			himself 100% in the local culture,
even loses his British passport
		
01:37:13 --> 01:37:17
			because he just wants to be with
with these people in his adopted
		
01:37:17 --> 01:37:21
			country, Pakistan, it's an
interesting kind of counter
		
01:37:21 --> 01:37:24
			migration, perhaps sociologists
would call it
		
01:37:25 --> 01:37:29
			so yeah, I'm still working on
this. I still get random emails
		
01:37:29 --> 01:37:36
			from people some of whom have died
not long ago, that inshallah one
		
01:37:36 --> 01:37:40
			day there'll be a more substantive
biography, although probably
		
01:37:40 --> 01:37:44
			that's the last thing he would
have wanted. So my alley, what are
		
01:37:44 --> 01:37:44
			the
		
01:37:46 --> 01:37:49
			hundreds and we don't usually do
questions after this. And this has
		
01:37:49 --> 01:37:53
			gone on for too long as usual.
Thank you for your attention in
		
01:37:53 --> 01:37:58
			Sharla. There's baraka and Hodor
be decree him tangible Rama by
		
01:37:58 --> 01:38:03
			mentioning the pure ones mercy two
cents. Thank you all very much. So
		
01:38:03 --> 01:38:04
			Monica,
		
01:38:05 --> 01:38:08
			Cambridge Muslim College, training
the next generation of Muslim
		
01:38:08 --> 01:38:09
			thinkers