Abdal Hakim Murad – Riding the Tiger of Modernity

Abdal Hakim Murad
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The "sliding the tiger" label is a reflection of individual values and desire for control, and the "hasn't been met" label is used in various cultures, including the Far East, India, and the United States. The speakers stress the importance of finding a partner who is the most important, finding a partner who is the most important, and finding a partner who is the most important in maintaining humility and integrity. They stress the need for justice in society and finding a partner who is the most important, while also acknowledging the importance of finding a partner who is the most important and finding a partner who is the most important.

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			Smilla hamdulillah salat wa salam
ala Rasulillah he was Safi woman
		
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			while
		
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			some of you will recognize the
lack of originality in the title.
		
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			Riding the tiger is a fairly
hackneyed expression, used quite
		
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			often by those whose policy of
responding to the perhaps
		
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			unheralded challenges of the
modern world consists not in the
		
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			perhaps requisite eschaton
eschatological Sherry If
		
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			expectation or directive to head
for the hills, with the proverbial
		
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			flock of sheep, but to jump on the
back of this threatening Tiger,
		
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			and to see if one can attempt to
tame it. One might say that much
		
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			of the quote unquote, Islamist
agenda of the past 50 years,
		
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			perhaps more, has been based on
the idea that one can for
		
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			instance, rather than retreat from
the banking system, attempt to
		
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			carve out a niche within it, or
even to tame it in some sense, so
		
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			that it can once again be directed
towards adjust and legitimate
		
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			Sharia and the idea of the nation
state. Another bugbear of many of
		
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			our brethren is in the eyes of
many something that can be
		
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			appropriated and turned into
something called an Islamic state.
		
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			We can even have an Islamic
Republic. interesting irony, when
		
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			you consider that republicanism,
particularly in its enlightenment
		
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			guys emerged specifically as an
antidote to a perceived clarity or
		
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			theocracy. Republicanism was the
child of carbonare, Freemasons of
		
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			various kinds, French
revolutionaries, people whose
		
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			principal aim in life was to push
religion back where they thought
		
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			it belonged into a box, leaving
the public square to the
		
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			Republican and essentially Lake
mentality, but we have following
		
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			the Communist Revolution, the idea
of an Islamic Republic, very
		
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			strange
		
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			bedfellows, but this is the
discourse that some of our
		
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			brethren perhaps with commendable
courage, have sought. Instead of
		
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			the traditional modality of taking
a step back in times of
		
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			turbulence. One takes a step
forward, the presumption that
		
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			Islam is a proactive rather than
reactive religion, and one should
		
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			seek to appropriate the
technologies, the modalities, the
		
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			structures, the infrastructures of
modernity, in order to turn them
		
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			to benign and humanitarian ends.
So riding the tiger is a fairly
		
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			hackneyed expression. Some of you
may recall that it goes back in
		
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			certain circles to the by now
classic work of Julius Everleigh
		
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			Chevelle Sheila T car, ride the
tiger he generally implied it in
		
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			the sense of a of an imperative.
full title is a survival manual
		
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			for the aristocratic of the soul.
Is emerges from an intellectual
		
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			world, generally unfamiliar to
most Muslims, who have difficulty
		
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			strolling into a bookshop, and
even picking up books to enable
		
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			them to understand the mainstream
principles of modernity, let alone
		
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			Dissident Voices within it. But
some will be aware that within the
		
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			story of Western modernity, and
the agonistic progress towards a
		
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			still undefined, unimaginable,
utopian end game, there have been
		
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			many dissidents of sometimes a
Christian disposition, sometimes
		
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			of class war disposition,
sometimes have a racist
		
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			disposition, who have sought to
jump ship. Because of their
		
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			radical interrogation of the value
of the modern project, that is
		
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			process of acceleration seems to
them more likely to be a presage
		
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			of downward than an upward
movement, modernity, as in the
		
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			grip of the law of gravity, its
acceleration itself, grounds for
		
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			suspiciousness, and dissent,
Julius Everleigh, himself a tragic
		
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			figure, a prophetic figure, but
one whose vocabulary did not
		
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			extend to an embracing of the
second Semitism of Islam. Others
		
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			of his generation, such as the
fabled Naagin, all of the work I
		
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			do here did in their very
selective and possibly
		
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			idiosyncratic sense, move in the
direction of Islam, which they
		
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			took to be Europe's third
neglected heritage and last
		
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			repository of tradition with a
capital T, thereby excusing one
		
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			the duty of moving further east,
as many of the German romantics
		
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			have done to seek la SolSmart
spiritual values in the heritage
		
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			of the putatively Aryan
subcontinent. But this second
		
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			Semitism has been a minority Aryan
option for most Europeans who have
		
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			not bought the ideology of
progress, and are concerned with
		
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			the atomism of on the human soul.
The human subject human
		
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			in society, which they take the
enlightenment, inescapably to
		
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			produce. So Everleigh, a very
strange person, somebody who is in
		
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			many ways inimical to an Islamic
perspective, someone who bought
		
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			into certain aspects of the race
theory of his day and indeed spent
		
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			some time during the war and
lecturing at an SS college, not a
		
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			natural bedfellow. For Muslim
thinkers one might think, but
		
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			nonetheless, somebody who has had
a very significant role in
		
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			triggering the counterculture,
it's not a left wing
		
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			counterculture. It's not a right
wing counterculture, but it is a
		
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			counterculture, which has
continued to this day and which,
		
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			unfortunately, is moving in the
direction following the decline of
		
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			the old Marxian alternative, the
significant alternative to the
		
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			progresses utopian discourse of
liberal capitalism has moved in
		
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			the direction of forms of
xenophobia. So if you Google
		
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			Julius Avila now, you will, within
a couple of clips, find yourself
		
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			in very clicks, find yourself in
very unfamiliar territory in
		
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			various anti immigrant websites,
Ukrainian supremacist movements,
		
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			and the like places where normally
we don't, we don't populate.
		
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			But nonetheless, his discourse and
the discourse of that cloud of
		
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			thinkers around him who are not
really content with the pseudo
		
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			science of the racial alternatives
to the modernistic secularizing
		
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			process of the mid 20th century,
		
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			represents a vision that can offer
Muslims at least pause for
		
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			thought, when we consider what our
due response to modernity should
		
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			be. Should it be just ad hoc, we
like certain things, and we don't
		
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			like others, as if the modern
world is a kind of buffet, from
		
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			which we might safely graze while
avoiding the alcohol dishes and
		
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			the pork dishes with everything
else we can consume. Is that
		
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			really our big philosophy when we
confront the menu of modernity? Or
		
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			is there a deeper reservation of
heart? Are we as evil as subtitle
		
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			suggests, aristocratic of the
soul? Now here you have some kind
		
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			of egotistic claim that there is a
Vanguard, an elite, a small number
		
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			of human beings who have not been
subjected to the conditioning of
		
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			the mass media, and state directed
educational processes have not
		
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			been brainwashed, but retain the
right to a deep sense of dissent
		
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			and lack of asset to the premises
of modernity, which raises what is
		
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			perhaps one of the largest
questions confronting modern
		
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			Europe in particular, which is to
say, if the dominant ideology is
		
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			to be liberalism, to what extent
can liberalism ostensibly a
		
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			doctrine of tolerance, actually
tolerate anything other than
		
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			itself? Liberalism, in some way
seems to becoming increasingly
		
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			coercive, you must have such and
such a curriculum, you must have
		
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			certain views about alternative
sexualities, you must have certain
		
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			views about gender, you must have
certain views, etc, etc, and
		
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			increasingly proliferating list of
boxes which one is expected to
		
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			tick, which seems to sit ill with
the basic premise of liberalism,
		
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			which is to open the horizons to
people for people to think and
		
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			behave as they will, as long as
they don't constitute a threat to
		
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			public audit, and the current
strange liberal Inquisition into
		
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			schools, thou shalt be a liberal
institution by Ofsted, and other
		
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			quasi state institutions. Just an
example of the inherent paradox of
		
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			this late liberal or you might say
coercive, liberal project.
		
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			Europe's xenophobia, in a rather
curious way, is being triggered by
		
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			that liberalism whose roots lie in
a campaign to open the horizons
		
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			for human plurality and difference
as process stretching back at
		
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			least as far as the 18th century
now being used as an implicitly
		
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			persecutory discourse and Slava
Dziedzic and others have remarked
		
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			on the inherent violence of a
certain type of liberal
		
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			capitalistic discourse,
particularly in the way in which
		
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			marginalizes those whose dissent
is outside the canon of forms of
		
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			life, which officially approved by
the dominant culture and the
		
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			increasing strictures of the mass
media. So Everleigh is a point of
		
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			reference for people who are
seeking an alternative, but
		
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			unfortunately, because of his
possibly a xenophobic, blind spot
		
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			when it came to Europe's third
heritage, as what he called he
		
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			called it the heritage of Islam.
God his move was definitely in the
		
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			direction of the underestimated
Israelite Semitism. Much of his
		
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			analysis is alien and difficult,
but still, there is much that we
		
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			can find to be a value, not least
because he did find an almost
		
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			cosmological environment for his
discourse.
		
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			He believed, drawing on what he
called, along with, again unions
		
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			tradition, with a capital T, that
we inhabit some sort of cosmic end
		
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			game, that the signs of the hour
are upon us that the current
		
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			breakdown of tradition of monarchy
of order of natural hierarchy of a
		
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			sense of the sacred is an
inevitable and indeed predicted
		
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			presaging of the last days, the
torba Magna. He certainly saw
		
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			himself as being an aristocratic
hero, crying in the wilderness of
		
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			modern consumer blandness. So he
has another book revolt against
		
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			the modern world, politics,
religion and the social order in
		
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			the Kali Yuga. Here, like a lot of
thinkers who thought that Europe's
		
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			spiritual they saw smart had to be
in some putative Aryan substrate
		
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			is happy to mine the Brahmanical
concept of the four ages, the Kali
		
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			Yuga, the age of iron, the Dark
Age, being at the end of the great
		
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			circle of samsara, when things
really start to break up, when
		
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			human beings are so dark in their
perception of the inherent
		
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			radiance of matter and nature,
that all they see is matter and
		
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			nature, and they lack the ability
to see its inherent translucence,
		
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			the loss of the most fundamental,
defining human attribute, which is
		
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			the capacity to perceive the
sacred, so dull have we become
		
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			that we take that at face value,
and are no longer able to see
		
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			beyond its surface. So this is the
dark age, the age of iron, the age
		
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			of dissolution of hierarchy, a
family, of priesthood, of the
		
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			secret of pilgrimage of all of the
things that historically shaped
		
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			and defined the guiding priorities
of normative humanity, we are
		
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			forever now inhabiting that age of
darkness. So this is part of his
		
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			vocabulary and gain, and those
whose persuasion followed him have
		
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			made Hurley he is another American
writer who has written
		
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			specifically for Muslims on this
idea of, of the the age of
		
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			darkness, and everless idea being
that we can somehow ride the
		
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			tiger, that is to say, we can
master it within limits, we can
		
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			inhabit it, not as passive
subjects and victims, but in some
		
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			sense as active agents of change.
And here, he adverts to what he
		
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			takes to be one of the neglected
aspects of tradition, which is
		
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			unique its unique capacity to tap
forms of human energy. Access to
		
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			the secret gives human beings
access to a form of nuclear energy
		
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			that has no half life that
continues indefinitely. The great
		
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			driving force of humanity is
either an authentic or a spurious
		
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			simulacrum form of the religious
energy. Everything else dissipates
		
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			in pleasures, self serving
pursuits of the seven deadly sins,
		
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			and ultimately is inebriated and
inert the energies of the secret,
		
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			however, the unique human capacity
to strive to sacrifice to reach
		
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			beyond the demands of the senses,
which is the gift of a belief in
		
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			eternal life, and the gift of a
belief that beyond the doll, black
		
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			material carry piece of things,
there lies a world of glowing
		
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			beauty, that energy he believes is
sufficient to enable us to ride
		
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			the tiger, even amidst the dark
shadows of an ignorant, modern
		
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			world.
		
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			So we have everless legacy as
usual, we Muslims rarely stray
		
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			into the bookshops, and we don't
really know what this critique of
		
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			modernity might signify, but it's
picked up in the European far
		
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			right, which represents yet
another missed opportunity. One
		
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			would say, European far right, is
partly xenophobic, anti immigrant,
		
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			quite often, explicitly or
implicitly racist. But it is also
		
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			often based on a certain anxiety
about the loss of meaning, the
		
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			confiscation of identity, by
modernity, for which it uses often
		
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			the immigrant, the strange looking
guy with a corner shop as the
		
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			scapegoat. But it also represents
a form of dissidents, that has as
		
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			its root, a genuine unease about
what and who we become, when all
		
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			of the traditional constituents of
identity, monarchy, district,
		
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			pilgrimage, the sacred priesthood,
going to church, everything has
		
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			been taken away, even the
significance of the flag, and the
		
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			old regiments and all of those old
sort of biscuits, 10 Victorian
		
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			illuminations that sort of
constituted the corny definition
		
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			of what it meant to be Victorian
or Edwardian. All of those things
		
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			have been taken away to be
replaced by this bland consumer
		
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			void with its endless capacity and
its its its two dimensional
		
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			brilliance to appeal to everything
that is lazy and low and lustful,
		
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			about our lower selves. Recently,
just I think it was last week, I
		
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			happened to be going to an
interfaith meeting at Windsor
		
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			Castle or other awkward place to
get into actually when the queen
		
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			is in residence you have to pass
through various
		
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			levels of people in different
sorts of uniforms carrying
		
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			different forms of weaponry.
		
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			But I was actually prevented not
by the boys in blue, but by the
		
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			fact that my talk had coincided
with the weekly changing of the
		
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			guards. And so between me and the
point where I had to go in order
		
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			to give my lecture, there was sort
of the band of the Coldstream
		
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			Guards, and a lot of guardsmen
marching up and down with Bennett
		
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			drawn. And of course, there was no
way in which I could sort of slip
		
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			across the courtyard, well, that
was in progress, it would have
		
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			been trampled underfoot. So I just
waited there fiddling with my
		
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			phone, hoping that this would be
an adequate excuse for giving my
		
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			lecture late. But actually, it
turned out to be an interesting
		
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			experience. Normally, that is not
my natural habitat at all. But
		
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			observing the guards and then
observing the spectators almost
		
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			all teenagers, school children,
visitors from various places, but
		
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			essentially, young England really
was an interesting lesson. Here
		
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			you have in Windsor Castle, the
epitome of a traditional, dusty,
		
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			patriotic English faded identity,
the changing of the guard, there
		
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			are the cold streams with our
battle honors. Nobody knows what
		
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			they're looking at any longer, but
asked charge, Waterloo, and
		
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			Salamanca and CO Deus rial and
Montecasino battle honors as long
		
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			as your arm marching up and down.
But they are so aware that this is
		
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			no longer understood that when the
band struck up, and the teenagers
		
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			looked cynical, the first tune
that they played was the theme
		
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			tune from the new Star Wars movie.
		
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			I was expecting the British
grenadiers or some Sousa classics
		
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			from the early 20th century,
something retro but no, it was
		
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			selected highlights from Hollywood
blockbusters. And of course, they
		
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			assembled teenagers, when they
looked up from fiddling with their
		
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			phones and pinching each other and
giggling, they just started to
		
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			dance.
		
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			That is how British identity has
now has now become. And that is
		
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			where we now stand. And that is a
strange ending for the National
		
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			alternative to the former
religious narrative, which used to
		
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			define what we're about it was St.
George's Chapel, which was the
		
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			heart of Windsor Castle, and then
it became the Queen's private
		
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			apartments. And now what is it,
even the National Secular
		
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			narratives completely voided so
that you just have the teenagers
		
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			kind of rocking and rolling and
fighting and laughing and
		
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			applauding at the end, because
they've got no idea what else to
		
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			do. And that's the end, even of
that alternative narrative to the
		
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			old Christian narrative. And this
is precisely why a lot of people
		
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			in Europe are deeply uneasy,
because they don't necessarily
		
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			want to have only that. This is
what Charles Taylor in his
		
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			brilliant recent book, a secular
age calls the felt flatness of
		
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			modernity.
		
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			Not only is it flat compared to
the depths and the vertiginous
		
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			sense of the sacred, and the
overwhelming and eternity and
		
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			beauty and grace and Heaven and
* and God and the magnificence
		
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			of the traditional view that human
beings were surrounded by, but the
		
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			flatness, but we also feel it has
a certain sense of loss. We know
		
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			that we've lost something. And we
have this awkward, anxious sense
		
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			that perhaps what we've lost is
what actually is the most
		
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			important thing, and that
everything else is just a papering
		
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			over of that increasingly vast
crack. So the question that has
		
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			been asked by present day,
advocates of the Everland attempt
		
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			to ride the tiger to try and fall
find forms, whereby the world can
		
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			be reset re re sacralized is
something that underpins this new
		
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			unease, this growing earthquake
that was recently represented, for
		
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			instance, into the German
provincial elections with a
		
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			frightening Return of the far
right and very many even West
		
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			German lender. It is there and it
is on the march but it is only in
		
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			part because they don't want to
have more Syrians in the country.
		
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			It is because they're deeply
unease, uneasy about what they
		
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			are, where they're going, the
political elite that's leading
		
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			them to more and more blandness
away from tradition. So the blurb
		
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			of a recent book in this in this
world markets, villagers book
		
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			generation identity, which is
about our current attempt to live,
		
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			rich and pleasurable and
prosperous lives in the absence of
		
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			meaning and identity. Just looking
at the blurb it talks about
		
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			Europe, her native population
consists mostly of atomistic
		
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			individuals lacking any semblance
of purpose or direction,
		
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			increasingly victimized by a
political system with no interest
		
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			in the people it governs.
		
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			The oft lamented growth in the
gulf between rich and poor is just
		
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			one sign of that. But the fact
that the politicians are not
		
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			trusted, that their discourse
seems to be increasingly
		
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			platitudinous that they know that
nobody really believes they'll
		
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			deliver
		
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			on their electoral promises, a
certain Sundering an absence of
		
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			trust between governed and
governors is one of the increasing
		
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			sources of unease.
		
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			But what we have, therefore is the
apotheosis or be at unlooked for
		
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			of the original hope of the
Enlightenment, which is that in
		
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			the absence of the sacred, which
for them represented the kind of
		
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			dark shadows of the Church and its
strictures which had to be pushed
		
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			away as much as possible, in favor
of the Lumia, the enlightenment,
		
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			where the human subject is the
measure of all things. So we have
		
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			Rousseau and Voltaire and Kant,
the kind of holy trinity of
		
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			thinkers of the modern world, the
individual, the miracle of the
		
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			human conscience as that which can
determine what is right without
		
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			reference to holy books, or to a
putative natural theology, but
		
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			just man, the measure of all
things, has been increasingly
		
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			decomposing as a result of
scientific, neurological,
		
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			philosophical, psychological,
historic interrogations of the
		
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			idea of the coherence of the human
subject itself. So modernity
		
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			lapses and
		
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			limps into post modernity. So that
the very sovereign human subject
		
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			which the Enlightenment thought
that it could put in the space
		
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			vacated by the Christian God is
itself in a state of increasing
		
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			crisis and anxiety, thereby
producing these relatively minor
		
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			epiphenomena whether it's the pig
either in Germany, or Donald
		
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			Trump, in America, or some of the
Putin supporters, etc. And there
		
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			are, of course, clones and
replicas, simulacra of this
		
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			phenomena, in India, in China, in
the Muslim world, everywhere, that
		
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			this is something that represents
a sense of crisis that modernity
		
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			has come to an end, post modernity
is precisely constituted in the
		
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			deconstruction of that human
subject, which was supposed to be
		
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			the fountainhead of meaning and
beauty and philosophy and values
		
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			that the Enlightenment was
heralding. So what we find now as
		
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			Muslims emerging into this rather
broken and damaged landscape is a
		
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			conversation radically unlike any
that we have had with another
		
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			civilization at any time in our
history, and our own ways of
		
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			responding Islamically to this
smuggle in, albeit, amidst furious
		
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			denials, much of the same crisis,
so much Muslim talk is about
		
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			boundary issues is about identity
is about being something more than
		
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			it is about believing something,
ethics tends to be subsumed under
		
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			a kind of furious legalism, that
is largely a matter of defending
		
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			one's threatened sense of self at
all costs, rather than being
		
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			connected to a genuine sense of
what is right, and what is wrong.
		
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			Recently, one of my students
carried out a set of experiments,
		
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			he's got a PhD in neurology, in
which he wired up various
		
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			religious, young British Muslims.
And it's interesting to see them
		
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			moving their head gear, and see if
they got any hair or not. And some
		
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			of them quite easy to attach the
probes to their head and just
		
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			measuring them as their brains
responded to certain propositions.
		
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			And very often he found, to his
embarrassment, the Muslim himself,
		
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			that what the Muslim brains are
actually doing was very different
		
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			to what the Muslim males were
actually saying, Yes, we believe
		
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			in this about the family and
gender and the hood punishment,
		
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			actually, the brain is doing
something else. And this cognitive
		
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			dissonance is something that is
very painful for a lot of people
		
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			and generate forms of, as it were
fundamentalism that seek to
		
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			inhabit that that critical space
that dissonance and to try and
		
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			close that gap. In other words,
the denial of reality, in favor of
		
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			the Furious defense of
increasingly extreme and often a
		
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			historical readings of the Sharia.
These tendencies are a
		
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			psychological reflex, they are not
based in any way on an objective
		
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			or responsible authentic reading
of the soul of Islamic
		
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			jurisprudence, but nonetheless
powerful and destructive for all
		
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			of that. So it is about the self,
the crisis of the self, not just
		
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			on the streets of Dresden, but
also in the Muslim self, a sense
		
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			of anxiety, the confiscation of
identity, fact that the old
		
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			signposts are being worn away by
these winds of consumerism and
		
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			Hollywood, and an anxiety to
replace them with ultra sharp,
		
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			repressed donated versions of
their original self. And hence the
		
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			strange reactiveness of so much of
the Muslim community in Europe to
		
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			see German convert in Berlin
wearing what the Germans called
		
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			Desert clothes, cotton
		
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			and Arabian stuff, very strange,
particularly since I was there in
		
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			February. And it's pretty obvious
that if you're saying, I'm going
		
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			to wear desert clothes in
Brandenburg in February that you
		
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			got some kind of dissonance going
on, because your interpretation of
		
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			religion really doesn't fit the
fact that it's really cold and
		
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			wet. But that's just a sign an
outward sign of the incapacity of
		
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			the Muslim genuinely and an
irresponsible and authentic way to
		
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			look at the console to see what is
authentic here, rather than just
		
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			panicking about making concessions
to the fall.
		
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			So we have this, the anxiety of
the self, but also at the same
		
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			time, the idea of the sovereignty
of the self. One of the things
		
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			that the neffs does, when it feels
anxious and threatened when it's
		
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			old landmarks, or being
confiscated, is to retreat into a
		
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			sense of its own power, and
sovereignty. And this is the self
		
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			that that is commanding that wants
to be an authority. And this is
		
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			one of the things that Europe has
discovered, the self becomes not
		
00:26:01 --> 00:26:04
			just a measure of all things, but
the instructor and the determiner
		
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			of values. And this is one of the
paradoxes of Western modernity.
		
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			100 years ago, it was assumed
women, of course, couldn't vote.
		
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			Now, if anybody says that they
shouldn't be voting, you suddenly
		
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			don't get a job with the BBC. And
you're really strange. It's a
		
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			constant process of adaptation and
change, because not only is the
		
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			self detecting value in the world,
as cops thought it could do, but
		
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			it is actually making values and
it is doing through. So through
		
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			various forms of consensual
movement, whose ultimate shape and
		
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			shapers may not be discernible to
anybody. So if anything is certain
		
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			about the current value set of the
global elite, it is that in 50
		
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			years time, it will be something
very different. And this is again,
		
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			something that makes it difficult
for us to ride that tiger, because
		
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			the tiger itself doesn't really
have a destination. But it's
		
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			constantly experiencing new
interstates that push it in a
		
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			different direction. Remember,
when the word the first university
		
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			was created in Egypt, first
secular, Western styled University
		
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			and the Arab world didn't have
female students. Why? Because it
		
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			wanted to be modern. Traditional
mother says good often, especially
		
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			in the Mamluk period have women
and they were mothers for women
		
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			and Cairo and Damascus. If you
want to be modern, before the
		
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			First World War has to be for men,
of course, and in Cambridge, maybe
		
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			they could attend lectures, but
they would be then parked in in
		
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			Girton and nuneham. And certainly
not allowed to take take degrees,
		
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			ticket on Matondkar products.
That's a mindset, a cognitive
		
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			frame that is now very hard for
people to imagine. But back then
		
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			our reality would have been
unimaginable level. The only thing
		
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			that certain about the current
boxes that were required to tick
		
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			is that 50 years down the line,
certainly 100 years down the line,
		
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			the current social orthodoxies
will be outrageous and
		
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			unthinkable, Harris's and the West
will be doing something new. This
		
00:28:03 --> 00:28:07
			again, makes it difficult for us
to engage in the conversation on a
		
00:28:07 --> 00:28:11
			deep level, rather than a kind of
firefighting and an immediate
		
00:28:11 --> 00:28:16
			utilitarian level, because they
don't seem to be any or soul. And
		
00:28:16 --> 00:28:19
			instead, things are just endlessly
mobile, the extraordinary mobility
		
00:28:19 --> 00:28:23
			of modernity, which generates such
incredible power, artistic power,
		
00:28:23 --> 00:28:27
			and Hollywood and the economic
thing at the stock exchange is a
		
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			good example of the kind of
brilliant randomness of the
		
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			culture that because of this,
everything is in flux. And slab,
		
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			obviously Jack also has an
interesting lecture, you can see
		
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			it on YouTube, I think, where he
says that the majority of people
		
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			who work in the investment banking
system, apologist, one or two
		
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			friends present, but the majority
of them, he said, they don't go to
		
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			church, they're doing some form of
spirituality that relates to
		
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			Buddhism, whether it be
mindfulness or meditation or some
		
00:29:00 --> 00:29:04
			other thing. Why is that? He says,
Because Buddhism also believes
		
00:29:04 --> 00:29:07
			that the ultimate cannot be
grasped. And that the world is
		
00:29:07 --> 00:29:11
			constantly in a state of flux. And
the self is not actually their
		
00:29:11 --> 00:29:16
			self is not real destruction, not
new self. You begin with a kind of
		
00:29:16 --> 00:29:19
			useful fiction that you do have a
self that you end up realizing
		
00:29:19 --> 00:29:22
			that it's not there. And he says,
that's exactly what the stock
		
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			stock market is, all of these
numbers flitting around, and
		
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			people inventing money, and
creating money on the basis of
		
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			money that they say somebody else
is going to create. And this
		
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			enormous, extraordinary,
randomized world is the perfect
		
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			image for our modernity and the
modern soul. And that's why
		
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			Buddhism kind of fits into that
world, even though what Gautama
		
00:29:41 --> 00:29:45
			Buddha himself would have thought
of Riggs bank or JP Morgan is
		
00:29:45 --> 00:29:49
			another question but that seems to
be where they are spiritually at
		
00:29:49 --> 00:29:49
			home.
		
00:29:50 --> 00:29:57
			So flux and the void, endless
motion, a kind of celebration of
		
00:29:57 --> 00:29:59
			randomness is something that
		
00:30:00 --> 00:30:03
			It is the nature of the modern
process, which again makes it
		
00:30:03 --> 00:30:05
			difficult for us to have a
conversation with it because
		
00:30:05 --> 00:30:09
			they're not actually keytab any
longer. There's something very
		
00:30:09 --> 00:30:13
			strange, something without
precedent. And I think that we
		
00:30:13 --> 00:30:18
			have been wrong footed here. And
often our response is, just as
		
00:30:18 --> 00:30:22
			they on their fringes are looking
for some kind of residual token of
		
00:30:22 --> 00:30:26
			selfhood. So usually,
unfortunately, they don't go to
		
00:30:26 --> 00:30:31
			even song any longer, they go on
some kind of anti immigrant, bmp
		
00:30:31 --> 00:30:35
			March, that is the kind of
degraded way in which they
		
00:30:35 --> 00:30:39
			reconnect with the indigenous, the
sense of Britishness or European
		
00:30:40 --> 00:30:42
			or American is a kind of David
Duke.
		
00:30:44 --> 00:30:49
			Ridiculous, crude reification of
the worst aspects of the culture
		
00:30:49 --> 00:30:53
			that tends to be where that fringe
moves to. But in the Islamic
		
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			context, the similar ambience, the
atmosphere which we breathe, which
		
00:31:00 --> 00:31:03
			flatters us by saying that the
self is sovereign.
		
00:31:04 --> 00:31:09
			And that says, We need to be
skeptical if the self is to defend
		
00:31:09 --> 00:31:13
			itself, a sovereign of inherited
hierarchy and authority and
		
00:31:13 --> 00:31:17
			institutions is producing an
allergist movements in the OMA of
		
00:31:17 --> 00:31:17
			Islam.
		
00:31:18 --> 00:31:22
			Why is it that so many people find
their spiritual home saved with
		
00:31:22 --> 00:31:27
			the works of Ibn Taymiyyah, rather
than Al Ghazali Ibn Taymiyyah
		
00:31:27 --> 00:31:32
			really an outlier in Islamic
history, not even his, his famous
		
00:31:32 --> 00:31:36
			followers didn't really follow him
and a lot of things, and the armor
		
00:31:36 --> 00:31:41
			generally passed by his his
thought in silence. He believed
		
00:31:41 --> 00:31:45
			that beyond the claimed
contemporary consensus of the all
		
00:31:45 --> 00:31:48
			on that, and the established
wisdom of the format hubs and the
		
00:31:48 --> 00:31:52
			Usher era and establish Sufi
tariqas, there could be some
		
00:31:52 --> 00:31:56
			sovereign principle within the
soul of the believer himself,
		
00:31:56 --> 00:32:01
			namely the fitrah which could
enable one ultimately to have a
		
00:32:01 --> 00:32:05
			good intuitive belief a sense of
what actually is right or wrong.
		
00:32:05 --> 00:32:10
			So if even Tamia chose the Sunnah,
as intuited correctly by the sound
		
00:32:11 --> 00:32:13
			fitrah of the human being, there's
something very humanistic about
		
00:32:13 --> 00:32:17
			this. Some people like Laos, some
of the orientalist quite like even
		
00:32:17 --> 00:32:21
			Tamia, because of his high opinion
of the human capacity to know what
		
00:32:21 --> 00:32:25
			to write. But of course, from the
point of view of the stability of
		
00:32:25 --> 00:32:29
			the tradition, it's a subversive
message. If you're saying the
		
00:32:29 --> 00:32:33
			format hubs require me to pray
like this, but my fitrah reading
		
00:32:33 --> 00:32:36
			the Quran and the Sunnah say that
actually, I should pray like that,
		
00:32:37 --> 00:32:40
			you have something that might
claim to be a unifying principle,
		
00:32:40 --> 00:32:44
			but which in practice tends to
shatter the mother habit of Islam,
		
00:32:44 --> 00:32:47
			into as many with our head as
there are human beings who think
		
00:32:47 --> 00:32:51
			they're in touch with their
fitrah. It's impossible to avert
		
00:32:51 --> 00:32:54
			to the fitrah, without also
opening the door to human
		
00:32:54 --> 00:32:58
			subjectivity, and to a raft of
anxieties about what people
		
00:32:58 --> 00:33:02
			actually want to do. So you have
people looking into the sword and
		
00:33:02 --> 00:33:05
			saying that they can find things
like targeting civilians in
		
00:33:05 --> 00:33:06
			Belgium.
		
00:33:07 --> 00:33:11
			Whereas in fact, something like
that is clearly ruled out by the
		
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			format hubs. And this is the risk,
this is the danger. And anybody
		
00:33:16 --> 00:33:19
			who reads the Syrah can see how
far this is. And this is a kind of
		
00:33:19 --> 00:33:23
			parenthesis, but it is important,
what would be the Syrah equivalent
		
00:33:23 --> 00:33:25
			of what happened in Paris in
Belgium?
		
00:33:26 --> 00:33:30
			Well, the equivalent I guess,
would be for somebody from Medina
		
00:33:30 --> 00:33:35
			to go to Makkah. And to go to the
marketplace, pull out a knife and
		
00:33:35 --> 00:33:38
			start stabbing people at random.
That's the equivalent thing.
		
00:33:38 --> 00:33:42
			That's essentially what they did
in Belgium and in Paris, and an
		
00:33:42 --> 00:33:46
			increasing number of other places
just to events, one's anger and
		
00:33:46 --> 00:33:49
			one's rejection just by killing
people from the other side at
		
00:33:49 --> 00:33:53
			random, irrespective of how they
voted or what their view is on
		
00:33:53 --> 00:33:56
			foreign policy just just killed
them. And this is the way of the
		
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			Jackie Lea. The J Helia. is
precisely predicated on the
		
00:34:00 --> 00:34:04
			sovereign human self, the Hermia.
Tilda Helia, the feverish pneus of
		
00:34:04 --> 00:34:09
			the chair Helia is about us versus
them, my tribe, right or wrong
		
00:34:09 --> 00:34:13
			with no real aversion to higher
ethics, or a sense that cuando
		
00:34:13 --> 00:34:18
			neffs in Vienna, Casa de la Hina,
every soul is a hostage for what
		
00:34:18 --> 00:34:22
			it has has acquired Nope, it's
back to the tribal age of us
		
00:34:22 --> 00:34:27
			versus them. And this aversion is
precisely what happens when the
		
00:34:27 --> 00:34:31
			NATs becomes sovereign, and is so
pleased with itself that it thinks
		
00:34:31 --> 00:34:35
			that it can sit on some high
throne and look down on the armor
		
00:34:35 --> 00:34:38
			of the mothership, and all of the
all of the soul and all of the
		
00:34:38 --> 00:34:43
			automat of Cannan and say, Look, I
may just be a dentistry student in
		
00:34:43 --> 00:34:46
			Antwerp, but I know better than
elfers Ali and Duany and even
		
00:34:46 --> 00:34:51
			humble and all of those that's
very gratifying for the self. And
		
00:34:51 --> 00:34:54
			there is something in that
fundamentalist impulse, the
		
00:34:54 --> 00:34:58
			trusting of the fitrah which
really is a euphemism for doing
		
00:34:58 --> 00:34:59
			your own thing you
		
00:35:00 --> 00:35:03
			There is a certain convergence
between that and the Enlightenment
		
00:35:03 --> 00:35:07
			belief in the sovereignty of the
individual human subject, which is
		
00:35:07 --> 00:35:11
			one reason why this type of
movement tends to prosper. On
		
00:35:11 --> 00:35:15
			neither side, do people really
like to accept the wisdom
		
00:35:15 --> 00:35:18
			accumulated wisdom with all of its
crankiness and the decrepitude of
		
00:35:18 --> 00:35:23
			its institution, the accumulated
wisdom of tradition. So, we are
		
00:35:23 --> 00:35:27
			not immune to these aversions,
even though the language that is
		
00:35:27 --> 00:35:31
			used is religious rather than
secular, but the the fundamental
		
00:35:31 --> 00:35:37
			shift from collective wisdom and
inherited wisdom to the
		
00:35:37 --> 00:35:41
			sovereignty of the angry and
threatened human subject and human
		
00:35:41 --> 00:35:44
			identity is something that happens
amongst Muslims, as it does
		
00:35:45 --> 00:35:51
			elsewhere. Now, I mentioned as I
started, the figure of Louis
		
00:35:51 --> 00:35:55
			Messenia, who's been a subject of
some interest recently, and a lot
		
00:35:55 --> 00:35:59
			of conferences and books published
about him, perhaps of all Western
		
00:35:59 --> 00:36:04
			writers on the religion of Islam,
the one who really sought to go
		
00:36:04 --> 00:36:09
			deepest, and who has had quite a
quite an influence in Muslim
		
00:36:09 --> 00:36:14
			circles and whose disciples, some
of them did become Muslim, like
		
00:36:14 --> 00:36:18
			his most famous disciples, that's
on that day, who was Professor of
		
00:36:18 --> 00:36:21
			Arabic at the Sorbonne, and was
the French translator have been
		
00:36:21 --> 00:36:25
			held on and that'd be Iranian, a
major figure. In late 20th
		
00:36:25 --> 00:36:29
			century, Arabic studies in France
took the nine months or died only
		
00:36:29 --> 00:36:33
			about 10 years ago, I used to know
him, I learned a hammer, mess in
		
00:36:33 --> 00:36:40
			your star pupil went into the
Islamic Alma, but from a position
		
00:36:40 --> 00:36:44
			of real erudition and from a
position of looking at what's
		
00:36:44 --> 00:36:49
			essential, and what is deepest,
rather than the incrustation to
		
00:36:49 --> 00:36:53
			the surface, and seen from the
perspective of the turbulences of
		
00:36:53 --> 00:36:58
			the ego. These will profoundly
erudite, historically alert people
		
00:36:58 --> 00:37:02
			aware of ambiguity and nuance, and
happy to deal with ambiguity and
		
00:37:02 --> 00:37:08
			nuance in a way that say, Ofsted
is not an in a way that even TV as
		
00:37:08 --> 00:37:11
			follows often are not a
celebration of the fact that part
		
00:37:11 --> 00:37:14
			of the gift of traditional
religion is to give you
		
00:37:15 --> 00:37:19
			the key to an Aladdin's cave,
which is full of golden treasures,
		
00:37:19 --> 00:37:23
			which seem to be piled up maybe
somewhat chaotically, but which is
		
00:37:23 --> 00:37:27
			really full of Marvels. Now, the
fundamentalist in that case, as
		
00:37:27 --> 00:37:30
			well, this doesn't look right, who
made this stuff, we removed it all
		
00:37:30 --> 00:37:34
			down, we'll just have the gold,
Islam will be just gold. And we
		
00:37:34 --> 00:37:37
			won't have all of this stuff and
that stuff, and we that's all
		
00:37:37 --> 00:37:39
			confusing, and that's culture and
it's just had the gold.
		
00:37:41 --> 00:37:45
			Well, you end up reshaping it,
because you can't have the thing
		
00:37:45 --> 00:37:47
			on itself that has to be
interpreted by somebody's country,
		
00:37:47 --> 00:37:52
			it's going to be your culture, and
your reading of the message of the
		
00:37:52 --> 00:37:54
			early Muslims, there's no neutral
way of doing it, it's always
		
00:37:54 --> 00:37:58
			mediated through yourself or
somebody else's. So what they do
		
00:37:58 --> 00:38:01
			is to melt down those treasures,
and to take the gold of the Quran
		
00:38:01 --> 00:38:06
			and the Sunnah, and to create new
and often horrifying forms, called
		
00:38:07 --> 00:38:11
			suicide bombing, or whatever it
might be, to replace those old and
		
00:38:11 --> 00:38:16
			beautiful forms. But that's not
allowed. Hamas was very aware of
		
00:38:16 --> 00:38:22
			the beauty of those forms, and was
sophisticated enough and had
		
00:38:22 --> 00:38:27
			enough experience to know that
even though they seem to be kind
		
00:38:27 --> 00:38:31
			of dusty, and jumbled, and in many
ways, not very well maintained,
		
00:38:31 --> 00:38:36
			they are what has come down to us
from the past. They are our unique
		
00:38:36 --> 00:38:40
			link to the sacred past. And that
if you get rid of them, and create
		
00:38:40 --> 00:38:43
			your own shapes out of those
goals, then you will be radically
		
00:38:43 --> 00:38:47
			disconnected from that past. One
of the tragedies of the radical
		
00:38:47 --> 00:38:54
			mind is that in seeking to bracket
out 14th centuries of the illness
		
00:38:54 --> 00:38:58
			story and get back to the pristine
early story. In fact, they end up
		
00:38:58 --> 00:39:02
			being cut off in a radical way
from that early story. And they
		
00:39:02 --> 00:39:07
			end up becoming a human form, that
the early Muslims simply wouldn't
		
00:39:07 --> 00:39:10
			have recognized at all. And that
is, as we've said, closer to the
		
00:39:10 --> 00:39:14
			feverish anger of the Jackie Leah.
This is one of the tragedies and
		
00:39:14 --> 00:39:19
			one of the subversive aspects of
their approach because because of
		
00:39:19 --> 00:39:23
			the loudness of their claim to
have the Islamic State or the
		
00:39:23 --> 00:39:27
			Islamic whatever, the world, apart
from the scholarly world, and
		
00:39:27 --> 00:39:30
			apart from the world of
traditional believers, actually
		
00:39:30 --> 00:39:34
			believes that and therefore, the
beauty and the goodness of the
		
00:39:34 --> 00:39:39
			self themselves are dragged down
to the level of these latter day
		
00:39:39 --> 00:39:47
			gorillas. So we have this, this
insight, that somebody like monta
		
00:39:47 --> 00:39:53
			who read Ebola and was aware of
this, this alternative possibility
		
00:39:53 --> 00:39:59
			that Massino himself charted and
aware of the fact that for that
		
00:40:00 --> 00:40:04
			The educated person, the less
educated person is just really
		
00:40:04 --> 00:40:08
			looking for ways of feeling good
about himself and picking and
		
00:40:08 --> 00:40:11
			choosing bits of tradition,
whether it be in a fundamentalist
		
00:40:11 --> 00:40:15
			or Liberal way. But for the
educated person who is aware of
		
00:40:15 --> 00:40:18
			the complexity and the brilliance
and the depth of the cave and
		
00:40:18 --> 00:40:22
			Russia or go into any Islamic
library, and bigger than any of
		
00:40:22 --> 00:40:25
			the Hindu libraries of a Christian
like just goes on forever.
		
00:40:25 --> 00:40:30
			Hundreds of 1000s of great
thinkers, only 2% of which has
		
00:40:30 --> 00:40:32
			even been printed. That's another
thing we need to think about when
		
00:40:32 --> 00:40:36
			we consider the brilliance of our
heritage. You go to the Egyptian
		
00:40:36 --> 00:40:40
			national library, what a shame
What a scandal, even if the book
		
00:40:40 --> 00:40:45
			you ask for hasn't been sort of
stolen by somebody and sold in
		
00:40:45 --> 00:40:50
			some dealers office in New York,
even if the book is still there.
		
00:40:51 --> 00:40:54
			The Faraj that guy brings you the
book plunked it down in front of
		
00:40:54 --> 00:40:57
			you, then he brings you your tea,
and puts it on the pages of the
		
00:40:57 --> 00:41:02
			manuscript. And it leaves a little
circle, Molly shabby. Nevermind,
		
00:41:03 --> 00:41:08
			what this book, do you have any
idea maybe I've heard it's worth a
		
00:41:08 --> 00:41:10
			lot of money in our show. No,
that's, that's the estimation.
		
00:41:12 --> 00:41:17
			This is the degeneracy of the
custodians of that cave of
		
00:41:17 --> 00:41:18
			treasures.
		
00:41:19 --> 00:41:24
			And the windows broken, and the
pigeons flying in and out. And oh,
		
00:41:24 --> 00:41:28
			my God, and then you go to the
casino at the Ramses hotel. And
		
00:41:29 --> 00:41:31
			that's where the energy is in
those places. Now, unfortunately,
		
00:41:31 --> 00:41:37
			what people care about, but still
those treasures are there. And
		
00:41:37 --> 00:41:41
			further person who doesn't just
want to listen to the theme tune
		
00:41:41 --> 00:41:43
			of Star Wars is the most important
thing in his life, but actually
		
00:41:43 --> 00:41:47
			want to dig deeply and have a
richer life. He's going to find
		
00:41:48 --> 00:41:51
			those treasures and those wonders
in those manuscript libraries,
		
00:41:51 --> 00:41:55
			it's important that we conserve
them a look after them, and
		
00:41:55 --> 00:41:58
			digitize them and copy them so
that even if they're stolen,
		
00:42:00 --> 00:42:02
			we still have copies of those
treasures. But it's it's hard
		
00:42:02 --> 00:42:03
			work.
		
00:42:04 --> 00:42:12
			So we still have that. And we have
an again Vanson was very clear
		
00:42:12 --> 00:42:17
			about this. And this was one of
the reasons for his, his Islam. We
		
00:42:17 --> 00:42:23
			have the fact of a unifying
religious legacy, really unifying,
		
00:42:23 --> 00:42:27
			nothing's more unifying than
Tawheed. In its simple and
		
00:42:27 --> 00:42:31
			absolute Islamic form monotheism,
the most powerful idea in history.
		
00:42:31 --> 00:42:35
			Islam has it in a really simple,
straightforward, powerful, sacred,
		
00:42:35 --> 00:42:39
			uncompromising, beautiful way.
That's pretty powerful. And
		
00:42:39 --> 00:42:43
			despite the clunkiness of the
Ummah everywhere, the mosques are
		
00:42:43 --> 00:42:47
			full everywhere, just because of
the power of that idea. But this,
		
00:42:47 --> 00:42:52
			but along with that, let you know
how in the law, the other
		
00:42:52 --> 00:42:58
			insistence on the the only reality
is unity. The only ontological
		
00:42:58 --> 00:43:03
			fact, is the divine, and
everything else ends up being just
		
00:43:03 --> 00:43:08
			really a point of view. Despite
that radical insistence on unity,
		
00:43:08 --> 00:43:14
			the OMA has been this peacocks
tail of diversity, of
		
00:43:14 --> 00:43:19
			interpretations and cultures. And
so he wrote his book, or sanctuary
		
00:43:19 --> 00:43:24
			left Islam, the five colours of
Islam, which is his very scholarly
		
00:43:24 --> 00:43:29
			exposition of how that has worked
in history. So the five colors of
		
00:43:29 --> 00:43:34
			Islam, for him really meant the
Arab bit of Islam, the Persian bit
		
00:43:34 --> 00:43:37
			of Islam, which we've included the
subcontinent, the Turkish bit of
		
00:43:37 --> 00:43:41
			Islam, including Central Asia, the
black African bit of Islam,
		
00:43:41 --> 00:43:44
			because he was a great scholar of
Islam in Senegal, in new wall off
		
00:43:44 --> 00:43:47
			and he was one of the great
experts on that, and the
		
00:43:47 --> 00:43:52
			Nusantara, the islands of this of
Southeast Asia, and Indonesia,
		
00:43:53 --> 00:43:58
			Malaysia that world, five colors.
And because he was a scholarly
		
00:43:58 --> 00:44:00
			master on all of these things, he
could show how that beautiful
		
00:44:00 --> 00:44:04
			principle of the rainbow reducing
to the pure white light of Tawheed
		
00:44:05 --> 00:44:08
			was an actuality. Despite the
diversity of those cultures, and
		
00:44:08 --> 00:44:11
			the fact they all face the table,
or from different points of the
		
00:44:11 --> 00:44:17
			compass, they all face the same
peddler. This was for him, the way
		
00:44:17 --> 00:44:19
			forward for Muslims in Europe.
		
00:44:20 --> 00:44:23
			But for many of the young
Moroccans who used to come to him
		
00:44:23 --> 00:44:27
			and sort of talk about these
things, he had a very beautiful
		
00:44:27 --> 00:44:30
			flat in Paris and constantly, even
in his retirement, people were
		
00:44:30 --> 00:44:31
			coming.
		
00:44:32 --> 00:44:37
			They were more interested in
feeling better about themselves,
		
00:44:37 --> 00:44:43
			and healing their ethnic traumas,
and dealing with that worries than
		
00:44:43 --> 00:44:48
			with exploring the beauty of the
shining gold in in the Cave of
		
00:44:48 --> 00:44:51
			Wonders, disarms Cave of Wonders,
and they were kind of proud of it.
		
00:44:52 --> 00:44:55
			But really, they didn't want to
get into fuck readin Ross's
		
00:44:55 --> 00:44:59
			arguments for the existence of God
from contingent being they wanted
		
00:44:59 --> 00:44:59
			really to
		
00:45:00 --> 00:45:02
			know what they should go on the
next demo about what was happening
		
00:45:02 --> 00:45:06
			in Algeria and that was something
that he had to work with
		
00:45:06 --> 00:45:11
			constantly with them identity,
taking the place of the things
		
00:45:11 --> 00:45:14
			that really should be the deep
things in religion and the the
		
00:45:14 --> 00:45:17
			unhappiness that resulted from
that because identity issues,
		
00:45:18 --> 00:45:22
			political issues, economic
worries, relationship issues. They
		
00:45:22 --> 00:45:25
			tend to be part of the turbulence
of human existence anyway.
		
00:45:26 --> 00:45:30
			fitna is something that is kind of
promised to be part of the history
		
00:45:30 --> 00:45:31
			of the ummah.
		
00:45:32 --> 00:45:36
			Holy Prophet alayhi salat wa salam
says that, or that of the ALMA is
		
00:45:36 --> 00:45:41
			filled dunya Alphington was a
reservoir of cattle. The OMA is
		
00:45:41 --> 00:45:45
			subject to Allah's mercy. Lisa
Ali, her other one, Phil Afra has
		
00:45:45 --> 00:45:49
			no punishment in the next world is
punishment is in this world,
		
00:45:49 --> 00:45:55
			fitness and earthquakes and
killing. Well, we can see that.
		
00:45:55 --> 00:46:00
			And this is just in a sense,
particularly in an age in which
		
00:46:00 --> 00:46:04
			religion is in the grip of the
mentality of the age which is
		
00:46:04 --> 00:46:09
			about the me the subject them and
us the return to Jay Hillier. It's
		
00:46:09 --> 00:46:13
			kind of part of the package. But
what he constantly tried to do is
		
00:46:13 --> 00:46:17
			to bring them down to a deeper
level to connect with what really
		
00:46:17 --> 00:46:23
			is important. Faith, Hope, beauty,
a sense of pride in the
		
00:46:23 --> 00:46:28
			incomparable aesthetic, cultural,
architectural, spiritual,
		
00:46:28 --> 00:46:31
			intellectual, theological,
historical, sociological 30,
		
00:46:31 --> 00:46:35
			achievements of the OMA and to
connect with that, because that's
		
00:46:35 --> 00:46:39
			what is real in religion, and
that's what's going on. So one can
		
00:46:39 --> 00:46:44
			be Muslim, for Islam, but Allah
and His Messenger, or one can be
		
00:46:44 --> 00:46:48
			Muslim for the Muslims. And the
latter is really not a very good
		
00:46:48 --> 00:46:51
			option, if you want to be on a
kind of spiritual even keel
		
00:46:51 --> 00:46:56
			nowadays, if the main thing that
your Muslim ness is connecting
		
00:46:56 --> 00:47:00
			with is the latest headlines on
the BBC, that's, that's really not
		
00:47:00 --> 00:47:03
			a very good place in which to
place your principal religious
		
00:47:03 --> 00:47:07
			concerns. This is just the kind of
storm on the surface of the sea,
		
00:47:07 --> 00:47:10
			and you need to be deep down with
the interesting treasures and the
		
00:47:10 --> 00:47:13
			sea creatures, because that's
really what religion is about. And
		
00:47:13 --> 00:47:15
			there's always a different storm,
and last year storm will be
		
00:47:15 --> 00:47:18
			forgotten, there'll be another
one. That's the only predictable
		
00:47:18 --> 00:47:21
			thing. So this is what he tried to
do. And with his book, The five
		
00:47:21 --> 00:47:26
			colors of Islam, where he showed
the depth and the beauty of each
		
00:47:26 --> 00:47:33
			of those bands in the Muslim
rainbow. He insisted really, that
		
00:47:33 --> 00:47:39
			the way to be at those depths, as
a Muslim is to
		
00:47:40 --> 00:47:46
			deal lightly with the boundary
issues. And the anxieties that
		
00:47:46 --> 00:47:50
			particularly recent migrant
communities tend to inhabit on the
		
00:47:50 --> 00:47:50
			surface.
		
00:47:51 --> 00:47:56
			Further, European Muslim, is not a
racial category of anybody who's
		
00:47:56 --> 00:47:59
			really been brought up here and
has the European cognitive frame,
		
00:47:59 --> 00:48:00
			whether they like it or not,
		
00:48:01 --> 00:48:06
			things are easier, because you're
dealing with the current reality
		
00:48:06 --> 00:48:10
			with its culture and with Islam.
For the first generation, you're
		
00:48:10 --> 00:48:14
			dealing with the current reality,
and with Islam, and with an
		
00:48:14 --> 00:48:18
			ancestral set of honor codes and
beautiful things and ugly things
		
00:48:18 --> 00:48:22
			and those things, and that's a
much more difficult stage. So for
		
00:48:22 --> 00:48:27
			him, we need to move from the
triangular sort of identity to a
		
00:48:27 --> 00:48:31
			world where just a dialectic
between the timeless beautiful
		
00:48:31 --> 00:48:35
			truths and inhabiting that golden
cave. And on the other hand,
		
00:48:35 --> 00:48:38
			seeing how we can still inhabit
and maybe even ride the back of
		
00:48:38 --> 00:48:41
			the Tiger of this strange, post
enlightenment,
		
00:48:42 --> 00:48:48
			post religious, modern capitalist,
inescapable reality. So if you
		
00:48:48 --> 00:48:51
			look at his writings, and if you
look, for instance, at his
		
00:48:51 --> 00:48:54
			treatment of an area that he knew
very well,
		
00:48:55 --> 00:48:58
			he really was a kind of old
fashioned scholar and that he
		
00:48:58 --> 00:49:01
			didn't sort of dig one hole very
deeply, but he dug a lot of holes
		
00:49:01 --> 00:49:05
			actually quite deeply in a whole
range of places in the armor. This
		
00:49:05 --> 00:49:08
			is part of the Macedonian
tradition in western Orientalism
		
00:49:08 --> 00:49:11
			that you learn all of the
languages, mess in your new
		
00:49:11 --> 00:49:15
			Turkish really well, Farsi really
well. And reshimo was another
		
00:49:15 --> 00:49:18
			example of him just being Arabist
or Persian nest, which tends to be
		
00:49:18 --> 00:49:21
			the style nowadays, but really to
have a broad sense of Islamic
		
00:49:21 --> 00:49:25
			civilization, which a lot of
Muslims tend not to do. They tend
		
00:49:25 --> 00:49:28
			to think of Muslim ness is focused
on the Middle East, which is
		
00:49:28 --> 00:49:31
			really not the case, because most
Muslims are not in the Middle
		
00:49:31 --> 00:49:34
			East. And the Middle East has not
really produced major cultural
		
00:49:34 --> 00:49:39
			intellectual achievements. For
five or 600 years, the energy has
		
00:49:39 --> 00:49:45
			been on the fringes and
historians, the fact of the output
		
00:49:45 --> 00:49:49
			of the libraries is evidence for
that. So if you look at for
		
00:49:49 --> 00:49:50
			instance,
		
00:49:51 --> 00:49:55
			well, we're probably in France or
England at one end, one extreme
		
00:49:55 --> 00:49:58
			one edge of the big Eurasian
landmass, which is really kind of
		
00:49:58 --> 00:50:00
			important bit of the world
		
00:50:00 --> 00:50:05
			Hold for religious history and
look at the very other edge, which
		
00:50:05 --> 00:50:10
			is the fifth of his five colors,
which is the North Sunterra, the
		
00:50:10 --> 00:50:16
			20,000 inhabited islands of
Southeast Asia. And you look at
		
00:50:16 --> 00:50:21
			their engagement with Islam, he
finds there a style of Islam, that
		
00:50:21 --> 00:50:26
			has been really focused on the
depths of the religion and on the
		
00:50:26 --> 00:50:31
			gold in those treasures, and less
concerned with identity and
		
00:50:31 --> 00:50:35
			boundary issues starting to change
now, but certainly when he was
		
00:50:35 --> 00:50:39
			studying it in the 40s and 50s,
that that that was what that place
		
00:50:39 --> 00:50:44
			was about. So look at the the
willie sambal we should know about
		
00:50:44 --> 00:50:47
			the willie Sangha. They are the
nine holier than nine great
		
00:50:47 --> 00:50:51
			scholars and saints, who are
traditionally credited with the
		
00:50:51 --> 00:50:56
			conversion of the island of Java
to Islam. Java, really a place
		
00:50:56 --> 00:51:00
			whose identity is complicated,
really complicated, because deep
		
00:51:00 --> 00:51:04
			substrate is shamanistic. And then
it became Buddhist, we don't know
		
00:51:04 --> 00:51:08
			how, and then they became Hindu,
which is strange when you think
		
00:51:08 --> 00:51:11
			Buddhists then Hindu, but we don't
know how that happened. And then
		
00:51:11 --> 00:51:15
			they became Muslim. And now
they're kind of everything. And
		
00:51:16 --> 00:51:20
			that unique, extraordinary
process, for him provides an
		
00:51:20 --> 00:51:24
			interesting context for
investigating the capacity of
		
00:51:24 --> 00:51:26
			Islam to
		
00:51:28 --> 00:51:33
			to deal with massive multiplicity
and inculturation itself.
		
00:51:35 --> 00:51:38
			Now, inculturation, is not the
same thing as assimilation, just
		
00:51:38 --> 00:51:42
			kind of going native and losing
ourselves. For him. The great
		
00:51:42 --> 00:51:48
			genius of Islam is that it retains
its structures of doctrine, and of
		
00:51:48 --> 00:51:53
			practice, absolutely, and
miraculously intact, in the midst
		
00:51:53 --> 00:51:56
			of outward cultural forms that can
be more diverse than those
		
00:51:56 --> 00:51:59
			cultural forms, generated by any
other civilization.
		
00:52:00 --> 00:52:04
			And that's a balance that is
characteristic of Islam and makes
		
00:52:04 --> 00:52:08
			our cave of treasures, so much
busier, and deeper and richer than
		
00:52:08 --> 00:52:15
			anybody else is, the capacity of
Islam, to foster a plurality while
		
00:52:15 --> 00:52:18
			remaining absolutely
uncompromising about the deep,
		
00:52:18 --> 00:52:22
			important tell, heed religious
things. And we often tend to
		
00:52:23 --> 00:52:27
			confuse that listen to an average
mosque conversation in modern
		
00:52:27 --> 00:52:32
			Britain just you sometimes it's
not good to eavesdrop. Sometimes
		
00:52:32 --> 00:52:34
			people are speaking with such
passion that you can't help but
		
00:52:35 --> 00:52:37
			hear what's what's going on. Nine
times out of 10, what they're
		
00:52:37 --> 00:52:40
			talking about the boundary issues
of various kinds of resistance,
		
00:52:40 --> 00:52:45
			hijab is not quite right. And look
at what's happening in Turkey. And
		
00:52:45 --> 00:52:49
			why is the Imams stoled, not linen
rather than cotton or some other
		
00:52:49 --> 00:52:52
			strange thing or somebody came to
me recently with this really
		
00:52:52 --> 00:52:55
			scatty idea saying that you can't
recite the Quran, according to the
		
00:52:55 --> 00:53:00
			McCombs, everybody who's always
recited the Quran, according to
		
00:53:00 --> 00:53:02
			you can't do that because of
McCombs, or from some non Muslim
		
00:53:02 --> 00:53:06
			culture. So that's another
boundary issue, has nothing to do
		
00:53:06 --> 00:53:10
			ever at all in any way,
conceivably, with the soul doesn't
		
00:53:10 --> 00:53:13
			affect the validity of Tajweed. If
you use knock on the house and
		
00:53:13 --> 00:53:17
			knock on the server, totally
irrelevant, but we're so anxious
		
00:53:17 --> 00:53:20
			about boundary identity issues,
that's dominated our conversation.
		
00:53:20 --> 00:53:24
			So we're on the stormy surface.
And the depth is kind of not many
		
00:53:24 --> 00:53:26
			Muslims diving down there any
longer because we're kind of
		
00:53:26 --> 00:53:29
			fighting on the surface. And we've
kind of forgotten that religion is
		
00:53:29 --> 00:53:32
			really not primarily about the
surface. So
		
00:53:33 --> 00:53:40
			in the Nusantara, particularly in
those areas, really, Java is the
		
00:53:40 --> 00:53:44
			center of everything. There's a
few other places where they're
		
00:53:44 --> 00:53:46
			interesting culture, Southern
Sumatra, and others. But
		
00:53:46 --> 00:53:51
			basically, it's Java really
complicated, deep, outrageous, in
		
00:53:51 --> 00:53:55
			many ways. It's forms of
syncretism that you can't justify
		
00:53:55 --> 00:53:58
			in Sharia. But if you look at the
way in which Islam came to those
		
00:53:58 --> 00:54:01
			places, it came to the Wali Songo,
the nine saints.
		
00:54:02 --> 00:54:05
			And their strategy was to say,
take people
		
00:54:06 --> 00:54:10
			to what is deepest in religion,
and don't waste their time with
		
00:54:10 --> 00:54:15
			the surface things that will come
later. And it's not the most
		
00:54:15 --> 00:54:20
			important thing, what they believe
is actually more important than
		
00:54:20 --> 00:54:21
			what they're wearing.
		
00:54:22 --> 00:54:25
			Is that really a difficult concept
for some Muslims nowadays? It does
		
00:54:25 --> 00:54:28
			seem to be though if he's not
wearing a hijab
		
00:54:30 --> 00:54:36
			What if her Eman is better than
your Eman? What then knows. This
		
00:54:36 --> 00:54:39
			is because that's that's what
Islam is. It's just a kind of
		
00:54:39 --> 00:54:42
			badge of identity for so many of
us. But look at look at the depth.
		
00:54:42 --> 00:54:46
			So the willie Sangha, and they're
kind of mysterious, almost
		
00:54:46 --> 00:54:50
			mythological figures. We don't
even know if there were nine. If
		
00:54:50 --> 00:54:55
			you actually count up the Welly
song goal. You come to somewhere
		
00:54:55 --> 00:54:56
			between 40 and 50.
		
00:54:57 --> 00:54:59
			by my reckoning, but that's just
part of it.
		
00:55:00 --> 00:55:05
			The mystique of it very Javanese.
So, the inculturation about which
		
00:55:05 --> 00:55:10
			now start Monty used to write. If
you go to the second city of
		
00:55:10 --> 00:55:14
			Indonesia, which is Surabaya, it's
kind of its spiritual hub is the
		
00:55:14 --> 00:55:18
			mosque and the Mazhar and the
College of sauna and unpin.
		
00:55:19 --> 00:55:20
			He was,
		
00:55:21 --> 00:55:26
			again, not quite sure where he was
on probably, of Chinese and ozbek
		
00:55:26 --> 00:55:27
			heritage
		
00:55:28 --> 00:55:34
			from some OPCON anyway, so maybe
Persian speaking rod in Ramat and
		
00:55:34 --> 00:55:39
			his great pupils on unborn in the
region, originally Rodden Molana
		
00:55:40 --> 00:55:45
			Matome. Ibrahim seems to have
been, again, a Chinese mother, the
		
00:55:45 --> 00:55:49
			influence of Chinese Assam and
Chinese convert very significant
		
00:55:49 --> 00:55:55
			in that part of the world. Sonam
bond is significant because he,
		
00:55:56 --> 00:55:59
			first of all, you'll notice how
they, the first thing they do is
		
00:55:59 --> 00:56:03
			to change their names. He doesn't
want to be Molana Makhdoom Abraham
		
00:56:03 --> 00:56:06
			any longer he knows that'll get in
the way of taking his people down
		
00:56:06 --> 00:56:10
			to the depths when they lived 90%
of people are Hindus or
		
00:56:10 --> 00:56:14
			syncretistic of animists or
whatever. A big task for the Dawa,
		
00:56:14 --> 00:56:18
			a long way from the heartland of
the Ummah, not an easy place to
		
00:56:18 --> 00:56:23
			get into a very deep, traditional
place, very static place. And in
		
00:56:23 --> 00:56:26
			order to get into the depths,
don't mess around to the surface.
		
00:56:26 --> 00:56:30
			don't alienate them because you've
got some freaky Arab name, that
		
00:56:30 --> 00:56:33
			wander around in desert clothes in
the streets of Seoul about a get
		
00:56:33 --> 00:56:36
			might be more comfortable than
wearing desert clothes and in, in
		
00:56:36 --> 00:56:41
			Berlin, but still, it's going to
kind of be a veil is going to get
		
00:56:41 --> 00:56:47
			in people's way. And the dollar is
going to be of the surface where
		
00:56:47 --> 00:56:51
			all the storms are. And he won't
get down to those depths. And
		
00:56:51 --> 00:56:54
			these people knew that actually,
the Javanese are people who
		
00:56:54 --> 00:56:58
			naturally inhabit the depths, some
sort of dark and freaky depths as
		
00:56:58 --> 00:57:02
			well as sort of the luminous
depths of some very odd, odd odd
		
00:57:03 --> 00:57:05
			world of superstitions and beliefs
that but they are sort of
		
00:57:05 --> 00:57:12
			spiritual static Indyk deep people
in their deepest instinct. So
		
00:57:12 --> 00:57:15
			going down to the depths, don't
freak them out by giving yourself
		
00:57:15 --> 00:57:19
			or having some Arabic name, you
can keep it. But for purposes of
		
00:57:19 --> 00:57:23
			Dawa, you will soon unborn and you
are rather than whatever, you use
		
00:57:23 --> 00:57:30
			the indigenous Javanese and don't
march around in Yemeni or Moroccan
		
00:57:30 --> 00:57:34
			clothes. What could that mean?
Were the Javanese clothes. So
		
00:57:34 --> 00:57:35
			these these
		
00:57:36 --> 00:57:39
			are the songs or were famous for
magnificently dressing and
		
00:57:39 --> 00:57:44
			magnificent sort of Indic dress of
the Java need. And that overcame
		
00:57:44 --> 00:57:48
			the surface barriers and enable
them to take the people of Java by
		
00:57:48 --> 00:57:53
			the hand and to dive with them
into the depths. So Sonnen born
		
00:57:53 --> 00:57:57
			ENGs great legacy, in many ways
was his
		
00:57:58 --> 00:58:05
			mastery of the Javanese language,
and his creation of songs and
		
00:58:05 --> 00:58:10
			poems that use the forms of the
traditional Indic devotional
		
00:58:11 --> 00:58:16
			literature of Java, but with an
Islamic content. And to this day,
		
00:58:16 --> 00:58:19
			everybody in Java, if they're
Muslim, they know and love these
		
00:58:19 --> 00:58:24
			songs, it goes so deep into
people's hearts. So in some song
		
00:58:24 --> 00:58:28
			competitions, and if you ever go
to the again, it's kind of rather
		
00:58:28 --> 00:58:30
			eye popping sometimes. But if you
go to say the Indonesian
		
00:58:30 --> 00:58:34
			equivalent of the voice, for
instance, how often these songs
		
00:58:34 --> 00:58:38
			will be there. There's some ditzy
little girl maybe in a miniskirt
		
00:58:38 --> 00:58:41
			singing away, but it's one of the
songs of son unborn because it's
		
00:58:42 --> 00:58:44
			absolutely axiomatic in our
culture, and even the most secular
		
00:58:44 --> 00:58:48
			people will still love that. And
it keeps gives them some kind of,
		
00:58:49 --> 00:58:55
			of a thread that attaches them to
to Islam. In many of the
		
00:58:55 --> 00:58:58
			pesantren. The Quranic schools,
these songs are known.
		
00:59:00 --> 00:59:01
			The best known of them
		
00:59:02 --> 00:59:06
			is this one. This is just an
English translation of one of his
		
00:59:06 --> 00:59:12
			kind of very simple nasheeds. Know
that there are five cures to your
		
00:59:12 --> 00:59:17
			heart. First, read the Quran with
an understanding of its meaning.
		
00:59:17 --> 00:59:23
			Secondly, do not forget to 100
prayer. Third, keep the company of
		
00:59:23 --> 00:59:29
			the people whose hearts luminous.
Fourthly, keep your stomach hungry
		
00:59:29 --> 00:59:35
			regularly. Fifthly Do not forget
to remember God at night. Anyone
		
00:59:35 --> 00:59:40
			who can do even one of these, may
Allah bless him forever. Nothing
		
00:59:40 --> 00:59:42
			could be simpler. You could kind
of get the five year old to
		
00:59:42 --> 00:59:46
			understand that completely. But
everybody in Indonesia knows that
		
00:59:46 --> 00:59:49
			and it's on the song competitions
and other peasant trends. They all
		
00:59:49 --> 00:59:53
			done such an amazing impact. How
did you do it you can get them to
		
00:59:53 --> 00:59:55
			sing in Arabic even though they
didn't know Arabic which is what
		
00:59:55 --> 00:59:59
			we tend to do here which is kind
of nice and sentimental but not
		
00:59:59 --> 00:59:59
			the
		
01:00:00 --> 01:00:04
			way of Dawa. Instead, he goes into
the essence of the culture
		
01:00:04 --> 01:00:07
			affirming the beauty of their
language, and their traditional
		
01:00:08 --> 01:00:13
			tonalities. And he brings them up.
So thanks to these people, these
		
01:00:13 --> 01:00:19
			worldly Sangha, the 80 million
strong population of Java, he's
		
01:00:19 --> 01:00:23
			actually mostly Muslim now, which
is pretty impressive. If you
		
01:00:23 --> 01:00:26
			compare that to some of the
strategies used elsewhere, so in
		
01:00:26 --> 01:00:29
			India, where often the Allah mat
kind of maintained quite a
		
01:00:29 --> 01:00:33
			distance, and didn't use
indigenous forms, and wouldn't it
		
01:00:33 --> 01:00:38
			be amazing if Indian hours 80 90%
Muslim, but no, the Allamah tended
		
01:00:38 --> 01:00:41
			to say we are a shut off and we
use Persian and we're kind of a
		
01:00:41 --> 01:00:44
			cut above everybody else. And it's
only some of them like minored in
		
01:00:44 --> 01:00:48
			Chishti who said, nevermind the
surface stuff, nevermind writing
		
01:00:48 --> 01:00:52
			stuff in Persian, use the local
languages dive deep, and take the
		
01:00:52 --> 01:00:55
			people to what really matters in
religion and then the surface will
		
01:00:56 --> 01:01:00
			will follow. But this was the
approach of the wily Sangha. So
		
01:01:00 --> 01:01:03
			someone born and has great
disciple was one of the best known
		
01:01:03 --> 01:01:06
			of the Molson and Kelly Jaga.
Again, not a very Arabic name,
		
01:01:06 --> 01:01:12
			Southern Cali Jaga, who was the
queasy legendary inventor of the
		
01:01:12 --> 01:01:15
			way and call it, which is the
famous Javanese shadow puppets.
		
01:01:16 --> 01:01:20
			And this is, again, a great way of
reaching the masses, you go to any
		
01:01:20 --> 01:01:23
			traditional village in Java to
this day, and when they're not
		
01:01:24 --> 01:01:27
			watching The Force Awakens,
because unfortunately, that's
		
01:01:27 --> 01:01:32
			there as well. They are looking at
the shadow puppets, which is
		
01:01:32 --> 01:01:36
			really amazing, beautiful,
ancient, very simple, traditional
		
01:01:36 --> 01:01:39
			art that doesn't require money or
technology, just this amazing guy
		
01:01:39 --> 01:01:42
			called the Delhomme who's sitting
behind the screen with the light
		
01:01:42 --> 01:01:45
			shining, so you can only see the
shadows and he works all night.
		
01:01:45 --> 01:01:48
			It's an amazing skill telling
these stories. And
		
01:01:49 --> 01:01:53
			the villagers are kind of really,
really into this. And many of the
		
01:01:53 --> 01:01:57
			stories that son and Kelly Jagger
used were actually not Islamic
		
01:01:57 --> 01:02:00
			stories at all, but come from the
Ramayana and the Hindu legends.
		
01:02:00 --> 01:02:04
			And he used to confer with his his
his Sheikh, son unborn and
		
01:02:04 --> 01:02:07
			frequently about what are the
boundaries? Because he was a man
		
01:02:07 --> 01:02:11
			of Sharia? What can we do so
that's why they use the shadow
		
01:02:11 --> 01:02:14
			puppets, because it's just forms,
it's not really pictures of people
		
01:02:14 --> 01:02:19
			and the fetters that was
permissible. And his shape also
		
01:02:19 --> 01:02:22
			told him to make the forms really
not look like human beings or
		
01:02:22 --> 01:02:25
			living beings, but kind of
distorted and strange. If you see
		
01:02:25 --> 01:02:28
			the images of the Javanese shadow
puppets, they've got kind of long
		
01:02:28 --> 01:02:33
			nose and freaky foreheads, and
kind of weird, but beautiful in a
		
01:02:33 --> 01:02:37
			certain folkloric way. And so he
did this in order to spread the
		
01:02:37 --> 01:02:41
			message of Islam through teachings
that he found in the indigenous
		
01:02:41 --> 01:02:44
			tradition that was still about
that too, and about heroism and
		
01:02:44 --> 01:02:49
			about dhikr, about the secret. And
within a few generations, the
		
01:02:49 --> 01:02:53
			population of rural Java had come
to Islam through these methods.
		
01:02:55 --> 01:02:59
			That's an amazing story. And thus
a multi was very fascinated by
		
01:02:59 --> 01:03:06
			this. But the question then arises
is how you you pull the same stunt
		
01:03:06 --> 01:03:11
			in the context of modernity, how
he wrote that Javanese Targa Tiger
		
01:03:12 --> 01:03:15
			successfully and Indonesia is now
the world's most populous Muslim
		
01:03:15 --> 01:03:19
			country. And in Java alone,
there's more Islamic universities,
		
01:03:19 --> 01:03:21
			then in the whole of the Middle
East, it's not insignificant.
		
01:03:24 --> 01:03:31
			And how do you do that today?
Well, the obvious response to that
		
01:03:31 --> 01:03:34
			is that it's going to be easier
and harder, easier, because you're
		
01:03:34 --> 01:03:38
			not dealing with deeply
entrenched, traditional people who
		
01:03:38 --> 01:03:41
			really can't imagine doing
anything different to what their
		
01:03:41 --> 01:03:44
			great grandmother's would have
approved of. Modern world is not
		
01:03:44 --> 01:03:47
			like that people are much more
mobile, people will become
		
01:03:47 --> 01:03:51
			Buddhists without thinking. People
will convert to religions without
		
01:03:51 --> 01:03:55
			thinking in order to marry people.
Everybody is mobile in flux,
		
01:03:55 --> 01:03:58
			because it's all of the surface.
It's all about identity. And hey,
		
01:03:58 --> 01:04:01
			this year, I'm going to be a biker
and I bought my leathers and next
		
01:04:01 --> 01:04:04
			year, I think I'll do a bit of
Kabbalah. And then the year after
		
01:04:04 --> 01:04:08
			that, maybe I'll support Everton
and this is just how people work.
		
01:04:09 --> 01:04:11
			On the surface, everything's kind
of leveled out and becomes just
		
01:04:12 --> 01:04:13
			different ways of being.
		
01:04:14 --> 01:04:16
			But for
		
01:04:17 --> 01:04:23
			our purposes, taking people down
is going to be harder. So on the
		
01:04:23 --> 01:04:27
			one hand, people are more mobile,
they seem to convert sometimes. I
		
01:04:27 --> 01:04:28
			was talking to somebody.
		
01:04:29 --> 01:04:33
			A few days ago, we wanted to marry
this Muslim girl. So we're talking
		
01:04:33 --> 01:04:36
			about Islam, and I explained it to
him. So do you have any questions?
		
01:04:36 --> 01:04:37
			No, it's fine.
		
01:04:39 --> 01:04:41
			You know, you're gonna pray five
times a day for the rest of your
		
01:04:41 --> 01:04:46
			life. Yeah, that's fine. You what
you're, you know, brought up who's
		
01:04:46 --> 01:04:51
			brought up the Christian? Yeah,
that's all right. That's kind of
		
01:04:51 --> 01:04:55
			really worrying because he just
wanted to marry this girl. And
		
01:04:55 --> 01:04:57
			that's kind of that's hard to deal
with.
		
01:05:00 --> 01:05:04
			So people mobile and convert and
unconverted at the drop of the
		
01:05:04 --> 01:05:07
			hat. This is predicted
prophetically in the Hadith that
		
01:05:07 --> 01:05:11
			says, used to be gradual, a few
min and williamsii Kaviraj. At the
		
01:05:11 --> 01:05:15
			end time somebody will wake up a
Muslim, and get a bed as a non
		
01:05:15 --> 01:05:18
			Muslim. And then they will wake up
as a non Muslim and go to bed as a
		
01:05:18 --> 01:05:22
			Muslim. It's the kind of time of
religious Brownian motion people
		
01:05:22 --> 01:05:25
			moving in all conceivable random
directions, we have somehow to get
		
01:05:25 --> 01:05:26
			used to that.
		
01:05:29 --> 01:05:32
			But on the other hand, difficult
because you're telling people
		
01:05:33 --> 01:05:36
			actually religion isn't just the
surface and headlines and wearing
		
01:05:36 --> 01:05:40
			desert clothes and eating biryani
and being freaky about
		
01:05:41 --> 01:05:45
			it's about going deep. It's about
how he'd about let alone a lot of
		
01:05:45 --> 01:05:50
			that stillness to that connection
to the sacred. It's about really
		
01:05:50 --> 01:05:54
			loving humanity and all of those
things. This is such a new
		
01:05:54 --> 01:05:59
			language for people, that they
need to be taken further back in
		
01:05:59 --> 01:06:02
			order to learn the basis of what
religion is supposed to be in what
		
01:06:02 --> 01:06:04
			human beings have traditionally
aspired to.
		
01:06:05 --> 01:06:08
			They may not have any sense of
what a pilgrimage is really meant
		
01:06:08 --> 01:06:09
			to be.
		
01:06:10 --> 01:06:14
			Traditional Catholic who converted
to Islam could work out the Hajj
		
01:06:14 --> 01:06:14
			pretty quickly.
		
01:06:15 --> 01:06:21
			An atheist, an atheist background,
for him, the HUD really needs to
		
01:06:21 --> 01:06:25
			be explained in painful detail
before it makes any sense at all.
		
01:06:25 --> 01:06:27
			What is this this toe off and
going round and going this way?
		
01:06:27 --> 01:06:31
			And that way? And throwings? What
is that? Because there's no,
		
01:06:31 --> 01:06:34
			there's no background, there's no
context, that makes things more
		
01:06:34 --> 01:06:38
			difficult. And it makes the
process of writing this particular
		
01:06:38 --> 01:06:43
			Tiger, which is a kind of, it's a
sort of not really organic, it's a
		
01:06:43 --> 01:06:49
			kind of sort of robotic Tiger, in
a certain sense, it's the machine
		
01:06:49 --> 01:06:54
			of modernity, where technique has
increasingly occupied what's
		
01:06:54 --> 01:06:57
			happening on the surface of the
planet, and the human organic bit
		
01:06:57 --> 01:07:00
			gets smaller and smaller, and more
and more things are done by
		
01:07:00 --> 01:07:05
			robots. And even my bank seems to
be entirely populated by robots, I
		
01:07:05 --> 01:07:08
			can never get through to human
being and buying a ticket. And
		
01:07:08 --> 01:07:11
			it's that's the modern reality. So
		
01:07:12 --> 01:07:17
			actually getting through to the,
the humanity becomes harder,
		
01:07:17 --> 01:07:22
			because people's experience is not
enriched from an early age, by
		
01:07:22 --> 01:07:26
			complex and rich human engagements
with extended families and with
		
01:07:26 --> 01:07:30
			neighbors but largely through
engagement with with these things.
		
01:07:32 --> 01:07:36
			handheld devices and other devices
and the teenager who's got the
		
01:07:36 --> 01:07:41
			laptop, and the mobile phone. And
that is something really new,
		
01:07:41 --> 01:07:44
			which we have not dealt with
before. And taking people from
		
01:07:44 --> 01:07:48
			that level into the depths is
going to be harder. And writing
		
01:07:48 --> 01:07:53
			that particular Tiger is going to
be really hard. And this is
		
01:07:53 --> 01:07:57
			possibly quite possibly the stage
at which we do have to disengage
		
01:07:57 --> 01:08:03
			and say, well, we're not going to
be defined by these this
		
01:08:03 --> 01:08:09
			increasingly overwhelming and
dictatorial technological culture,
		
01:08:10 --> 01:08:15
			which has gotten us what effects
on on the beat the fundamental
		
01:08:15 --> 01:08:19
			functioning of the human species.
So here's a fun fact for you, the
		
01:08:19 --> 01:08:23
			average American males
testosterone levels declined by 1%
		
01:08:23 --> 01:08:24
			every year.
		
01:08:26 --> 01:08:28
			And this is one people are
worrying about this and saying,
		
01:08:28 --> 01:08:31
			Well, is this why relationships
are failing and why men are
		
01:08:31 --> 01:08:36
			wimping out and the women are
doing best in careers and 65% of
		
01:08:36 --> 01:08:38
			undergraduates are women and
what's going on?
		
01:08:39 --> 01:08:42
			Well, one explanation for that,
apparently, is the use of laptops.
		
01:08:43 --> 01:08:48
			Think about that. So we don't know
the extent to which our reality is
		
01:08:48 --> 01:08:53
			surrounded by really powerful
machines. There's a certain
		
01:08:53 --> 01:08:56
			vulnerability about the human
metabolism that has its limits and
		
01:08:56 --> 01:08:59
			will eventually start to break
down. And what it doesn't do the
		
01:08:59 --> 01:09:03
			spirit and the psyche is another
thing that doesn't bear thinking
		
01:09:03 --> 01:09:09
			about the stillness, the focused
centeredness, that is essential
		
01:09:09 --> 01:09:15
			for beginning the plunge into the
center, the depth is the center is
		
01:09:15 --> 01:09:18
			going to be difficult if we have
never really been a state in a
		
01:09:18 --> 01:09:21
			state of collected integral
centeredness, because there's
		
01:09:21 --> 01:09:26
			always another text and another
thing going on. And that is
		
01:09:26 --> 01:09:30
			really, really hard. And the
extent to which the species itself
		
01:09:30 --> 01:09:34
			and the brain is being rewired.
Because teenagers and are
		
01:09:34 --> 01:09:37
			increasingly dominated by this
form, is going to create
		
01:09:38 --> 01:09:41
			historically unprecedented
challenges for religion. Easy to
		
01:09:41 --> 01:09:45
			get them to be crazy
fundamentalists, because it's all
		
01:09:45 --> 01:09:48
			on the surface and it's all storms
and that's what they used to get
		
01:09:48 --> 01:09:53
			them into a time of stillness
where they think it's fine to be
		
01:09:53 --> 01:09:54
			doing nothing.
		
01:09:55 --> 01:09:58
			Or you can have a long, focused
conversation with another human
		
01:09:58 --> 01:09:59
			being and experience the divine
		
01:10:00 --> 01:10:03
			Mystery of the soul in
communication with another soul,
		
01:10:03 --> 01:10:08
			or a real relationship of love
with another human being, or a
		
01:10:08 --> 01:10:12
			relationship with an animal, which
is another thing that human beings
		
01:10:12 --> 01:10:15
			have lost. Because part of the
richness of the human experience
		
01:10:15 --> 01:10:18
			always was with engaging with
animal mind, you didn't have to be
		
01:10:18 --> 01:10:21
			looking after goats in your
backyard, although a lot of people
		
01:10:21 --> 01:10:24
			did. But the relationship with a
horse when you are traveling
		
01:10:24 --> 01:10:27
			somewhere, or the camel, or that's
another aspect of
		
01:10:27 --> 01:10:31
			intersubjectivity that's been
lost. And where we're impoverished
		
01:10:31 --> 01:10:36
			by the increasing sort of metallic
context of our lives. How you ride
		
01:10:36 --> 01:10:41
			that Tiger is a big question. And
I'm not sure that all on that
		
01:10:41 --> 01:10:44
			really have begun to deal with
that. And very often you find
		
01:10:44 --> 01:10:46
			Muslims saying we must embrace
technology.
		
01:10:48 --> 01:10:50
			Doesn't we think about that
metaphor is kind of
		
01:10:52 --> 01:10:57
			I can imagine people things. Cats,
I wouldn't mind embracing that
		
01:10:57 --> 01:11:00
			technology is kind of cold and
Angular and doesn't really not
		
01:11:00 --> 01:11:04
			going to respond in a very
satisfying way. There's a certain
		
01:11:04 --> 01:11:07
			way in which the technology
dominates us because it's got a
		
01:11:07 --> 01:11:08
			better memory. And
		
01:11:09 --> 01:11:13
			it's, it looks better, the phone
always looked good was the human
		
01:11:13 --> 01:11:17
			metabolism tends to crumble after
a while. It's kind of
		
01:11:17 --> 01:11:22
			increasingly, as the human subject
maintains its historic mammalian
		
01:11:22 --> 01:11:25
			self, and the technology gets
better and better at the stuff it
		
01:11:25 --> 01:11:30
			does we necessarily shrink. So to
embrace this, this enormous
		
01:11:30 --> 01:11:34
			monster is something that's a bit
worrying. But still, the question
		
01:11:34 --> 01:11:38
			is, we have to coexist with this
tiger. Maybe it's not possible to
		
01:11:38 --> 01:11:42
			ride it. But though, it's
necessary for us to coexist,
		
01:11:42 --> 01:11:46
			because even the summoner Council,
you should call and your corner
		
01:11:46 --> 01:11:50
			Pharaoh melee and Muslim Vanaman
yet Tabby, OBE, shareability bail
		
01:11:51 --> 01:11:55
			on my work LK three federal Rubini
human will fitten sound Hadith in
		
01:11:55 --> 01:11:58
			Sahih Muslim there's lots like it.
It's almost the time the Holy
		
01:11:58 --> 01:12:02
			Prophet is telling us it's almost
the time when the best thing a
		
01:12:02 --> 01:12:06
			Muslim can own will be a flock of
sheep with which he goes to the
		
01:12:06 --> 01:12:09
			mountain passes and the places
where the rain falls, fleeing with
		
01:12:09 --> 01:12:14
			his religion from fitna. Well,
first of all, you have to get the
		
01:12:15 --> 01:12:16
			the somebody to
		
01:12:17 --> 01:12:20
			get to the sheep and to certify
the sheep, and maybe they need
		
01:12:20 --> 01:12:23
			their ears clipped. And then you
need to, you have to slaughter
		
01:12:23 --> 01:12:27
			them in a way that the government
will approve of. And then where's
		
01:12:27 --> 01:12:30
			Where's where's the valley that
somebody hasn't already built a
		
01:12:30 --> 01:12:33
			Burger King or an airport or
seriously
		
01:12:35 --> 01:12:39
			that the real meaning of that is
that there has to be a certain
		
01:12:39 --> 01:12:40
			inner withdrawal,
		
01:12:41 --> 01:12:45
			that the surface is going to be so
turbulent increasing, that the
		
01:12:45 --> 01:12:50
			believer has to be more of a diver
than he was in the past. And that
		
01:12:50 --> 01:12:52
			shouldn't be a good thing, because
that's where the reality of
		
01:12:52 --> 01:12:56
			religion is. So that whereas other
Muslims are saying, nevermind the
		
01:12:56 --> 01:13:00
			spirituality, business, and this
art and depth, and vicar, let's
		
01:13:00 --> 01:13:03
			stay on the surface, because it's
kind of interesting seeing all of
		
01:13:03 --> 01:13:06
			the fighting that's going on, we
can actually change the world by
		
01:13:06 --> 01:13:11
			being on the surface instead of
that, Let's withdraw. If you can't
		
01:13:11 --> 01:13:13
			find a sheep and a mountain.
		
01:13:14 --> 01:13:19
			Perfect, then that's a literal
obedience to the, to the Hadith.
		
01:13:19 --> 01:13:21
			And very often, we find that our
brothers who say we want to
		
01:13:21 --> 01:13:24
			literally follow the Quran and the
Hadith, they tend not to look at
		
01:13:24 --> 01:13:27
			that hadith much they want to be
on the surface fighting with some
		
01:13:27 --> 01:13:29
			other group that has a different
view of the Hadith.
		
01:13:31 --> 01:13:35
			You won't find too many of them
then the Scottish Borders with a
		
01:13:35 --> 01:13:39
			nice flock of Merino sheep, a lot,
a lot. That's not what they were.
		
01:13:39 --> 01:13:42
			They are the frontline of fitna
wars.
		
01:13:43 --> 01:13:48
			But we need to find ways of
recalibrating ourselves so that
		
01:13:48 --> 01:13:53
			naturally the things we think
about, and the things that we talk
		
01:13:53 --> 01:13:56
			about are the things of the
depths, rather than the things of
		
01:13:56 --> 01:13:59
			the surface. Otherwise, we're
really going to suffer
		
01:13:59 --> 01:14:03
			psychically, psychically because
the surface is so
		
01:14:04 --> 01:14:09
			almost uninhabitable. Now. The
surface of the world with its
		
01:14:09 --> 01:14:13
			focus on matter and on self and
the human subject and mee, mee,
		
01:14:13 --> 01:14:19
			mee, and money, and the whole
thing of it is really not not
		
01:14:19 --> 01:14:21
			human, not humane.
		
01:14:22 --> 01:14:27
			So we need to be withdrawing but
still with others, and this is
		
01:14:27 --> 01:14:32
			where the Naqshbandi speak of the
Hollywood dot Angelman solitude in
		
01:14:32 --> 01:14:32
			the crowd,
		
01:14:33 --> 01:14:39
			which is a tricky one, really,
because our nature is osmotic, to
		
01:14:39 --> 01:14:43
			take on the disposition, the
values, the lifestyle choices of
		
01:14:43 --> 01:14:47
			the people that we hang out with.
Not just the young people who feel
		
01:14:47 --> 01:14:49
			the peer pressure, but we all do.
		
01:14:51 --> 01:14:55
			And often the temptation is if you
really feel different to feel kind
		
01:14:55 --> 01:14:59
			of superior about that or develop
certain psychic complexes which
		
01:14:59 --> 01:14:59
			are not healthy either
		
01:15:00 --> 01:15:04
			but to be distinct and different,
but not to have a superiority
		
01:15:04 --> 01:15:09
			complex, whatever that calls to be
an aristocratic, an aristocratic
		
01:15:09 --> 01:15:13
			the soul. That's not a healthy
thing either. So to maintain a do
		
01:15:13 --> 01:15:14
			humility,
		
01:15:15 --> 01:15:20
			well, in the ground, can only take
place when you retain the most
		
01:15:20 --> 01:15:24
			fundamental of all religious
ethical impulses, which is to be
		
01:15:24 --> 01:15:27
			looking out for the needs of
others, and to find things in
		
01:15:27 --> 01:15:31
			other human beings that are
lovable. This is what my sheiks
		
01:15:31 --> 01:15:36
			always insisted on, that the sound
believer, when looking at others,
		
01:15:36 --> 01:15:40
			will always buy his fitrah. Look
at whatever is most lovable in
		
01:15:40 --> 01:15:41
			that person.
		
01:15:42 --> 01:15:46
			And the sign of the sickness of
the soul, is to see whatever is
		
01:15:46 --> 01:15:50
			the floor in others. And this is
an inflexible rule, that should be
		
01:15:50 --> 01:15:52
			applied in every situation.
		
01:15:53 --> 01:15:56
			Whether the person you're engaging
with as a Muslim, or non Muslim,
		
01:15:56 --> 01:16:02
			or you don't know, always look to
your soul to see if your soul is
		
01:16:02 --> 01:16:04
			reaching for and attracted by and
impressed by whatever is most
		
01:16:04 --> 01:16:06
			beautiful and good in that person.
		
01:16:08 --> 01:16:12
			And this is an important skill,
because it does give us a
		
01:16:12 --> 01:16:16
			detachment whilst still being
engaged. If you're taking from
		
01:16:16 --> 01:16:18
			others, or you're looking to see
what you can take from others,
		
01:16:19 --> 01:16:22
			then you are as it were dependent
upon them and you are part of that
		
01:16:22 --> 01:16:25
			osmotic process of being sucked
into the vortex. But if you're a
		
01:16:25 --> 01:16:29
			person who is giving that gives
you this, if you like, kind of
		
01:16:29 --> 01:16:33
			Noblesse this noblesse oblige of
the aristocratic the soul, and
		
01:16:33 --> 01:16:37
			means that you're not dependent on
them. And that requires a
		
01:16:37 --> 01:16:39
			reinforcement, we saw small,
		
01:16:40 --> 01:16:43
			seeking provisions, which can
never be done on the surface, but
		
01:16:43 --> 01:16:47
			the fish and nourishing stuff is
down underneath the sea. And
		
01:16:47 --> 01:16:50
			that's where you need to be. And
this is what one sees
		
01:16:50 --> 01:16:56
			consistently, you see that the
true scholar is the one who, when
		
01:16:56 --> 01:16:59
			a gathering is at an end, and
people are talking about what
		
01:16:59 --> 01:17:01
			people were saying and what they
liked, and what they didn't like,
		
01:17:01 --> 01:17:04
			the true scholar is the one who
will always talk about and will
		
01:17:04 --> 01:17:07
			encourage the conversation about
the good things that happened in
		
01:17:07 --> 01:17:11
			the session, and the good things
that they learned about people and
		
01:17:11 --> 01:17:16
			the inadequate Jalili environment,
even if everybody has beard as
		
01:17:16 --> 01:17:20
			long as their knees, knees and
mismatched Miss wax going and
		
01:17:20 --> 01:17:23
			whatever else the surface might
be. If they're saying, well, he
		
01:17:23 --> 01:17:26
			has this point in Aikido, which is
problematic, and he looks really
		
01:17:26 --> 01:17:30
			weird, whatever. That is the sign
of the sickness, which is
		
01:17:30 --> 01:17:33
			unfortunately, often the dominant
mode of the Ummah, because of our
		
01:17:33 --> 01:17:37
			insecurity, and our seasickness,
as it were from being on the
		
01:17:37 --> 01:17:42
			surface all the time, the ego
predominates. And the judgmental
		
01:17:42 --> 01:17:46
			Ness Amara comes to the surface.
So this is one counsel that my
		
01:17:46 --> 01:17:50
			teachers always had, which is to
look at people with a selective
		
01:17:50 --> 01:17:55
			eye to see what is best in them.
And to have a kind of blind spot
		
01:17:55 --> 01:17:58
			to their weaknesses, but not to
the extent that you get taken in
		
01:17:58 --> 01:18:01
			or fooled by people, because the
believer is not bitten twice from
		
01:18:01 --> 01:18:07
			the same hole, but still sort of
not to prefer not to notice other
		
01:18:07 --> 01:18:10
			people's faults, and to always
find a good interpretation for
		
01:18:10 --> 01:18:14
			that. And that is not just a moral
platitude, but a way of finding
		
01:18:14 --> 01:18:17
			this engaged detachment which is
which is important.
		
01:18:20 --> 01:18:25
			This is also linked to another
principle, which is that there has
		
01:18:25 --> 01:18:29
			to be justice in the world. But
the sheiks and Abdulghani
		
01:18:29 --> 01:18:33
			nebulosity and others make this
explicit, justice is necessary
		
01:18:33 --> 01:18:39
			where love fails. In other words,
if that sort of natural fit three,
		
01:18:39 --> 01:18:42
			desire of human beings to get on
with each other, and to celebrate
		
01:18:42 --> 01:18:46
			the mystery of being and to be
friends, if that fails, because
		
01:18:46 --> 01:18:49
			the ego, it's always the ego gets
in the way of that, that's when
		
01:18:49 --> 01:18:53
			justice is necessary. Justice is
not necessarily everybody's
		
01:18:53 --> 01:18:55
			looking out for each other. And
there's a state of mutual love.
		
01:18:56 --> 01:19:01
			That's the highest state. And this
is where we find the Holy Prophet
		
01:19:01 --> 01:19:05
			Allah slopeside, speaking about
the to have the mutual love of the
		
01:19:05 --> 01:19:07
			believers as being something
that's beautiful to see.
		
01:19:08 --> 01:19:12
			But still, there must be justice.
So looking out for justice issues
		
01:19:12 --> 01:19:16
			in the world is significant. But
usually the healthiest way
		
01:19:16 --> 01:19:19
			spiritually of engaging with that
is to look to local things.
		
01:19:20 --> 01:19:25
			Because it's better for the soul,
to engage with people directly
		
01:19:25 --> 01:19:29
			than to press a button on a screen
that sends $100 to Burma or
		
01:19:29 --> 01:19:32
			wherever, which is a kind of cold
engagement really through this
		
01:19:32 --> 01:19:36
			huge technological mega structure,
which is in between you and the
		
01:19:36 --> 01:19:41
			recipient and instead to deal with
what that really meant at all. So
		
01:19:41 --> 01:19:44
			Holy Prophet says ally, so to
begin with your dependents,
		
01:19:45 --> 01:19:50
			family, neighbors, and others,
that is really where sadaqa
		
01:19:50 --> 01:19:54
			begins, some charity does begin at
home. And that also puts you in a
		
01:19:54 --> 01:19:59
			state of not needing but being
needed, which is
		
01:20:00 --> 01:20:03
			is a necessary prerequisite for
being in society without being
		
01:20:03 --> 01:20:08
			overly swept away by by its
currents. So be in a strong
		
01:20:08 --> 01:20:14
			position, and don't be dependent.
And the easiest way of ensuring
		
01:20:14 --> 01:20:18
			that is to ensure that in your own
environment in your own context,
		
01:20:19 --> 01:20:22
			otherwise people, other people's
rights over you are being
		
01:20:22 --> 01:20:27
			satisfied. So these are some kind
of rather random, obvious
		
01:20:27 --> 01:20:32
			reflections on the let's face it
difficult challenge which we have,
		
01:20:32 --> 01:20:35
			we tend to say, why is the OMA
such a mess? Well, the fact is,
		
01:20:35 --> 01:20:40
			the world is in a mess. And the
ALMA is trying that very nearly
		
01:20:40 --> 01:20:44
			but not quite impossible task of
retaining a fully sacred
		
01:20:44 --> 01:20:48
			worldview, in the context of a
planet that's kind of drunk with
		
01:20:48 --> 01:20:55
			the excitement of, of, of matter
and stuff. And the seven deadly
		
01:20:55 --> 01:20:59
			sins, and whatever is going on the
world is really in a bad state.
		
01:20:59 --> 01:21:01
			And the armor of course,
		
01:21:02 --> 01:21:06
			it's colliding with that. And the
collision is producing casualties,
		
01:21:06 --> 01:21:10
			and there are sparks flying and
incomprehension on on the on both
		
01:21:10 --> 01:21:14
			sides. So it's not too surprising
that the armor is in its
		
01:21:14 --> 01:21:16
			ramshackle state, but the key is,
		
01:21:17 --> 01:21:21
			under the core is intact. If
you're into the depths, Islam is
		
01:21:21 --> 01:21:25
			really intact. metalhead is there,
the doctrines are still there, the
		
01:21:25 --> 01:21:28
			theology is still there. The
practices are still there.
		
01:21:29 --> 01:21:32
			Nobody's ever dare to tamper with
the way you pray or the way you
		
01:21:32 --> 01:21:36
			fast. You can have a million
arguments over who saw the moon
		
01:21:36 --> 01:21:39
			last night. But it doesn't really
affect the reality of Ramadan,
		
01:21:40 --> 01:21:43
			human ego gets as close as it can
to interfering with people's
		
01:21:44 --> 01:21:47
			sexuality. But Allah always
protects those practices. And
		
01:21:47 --> 01:21:51
			nobody's been able to subvert the
basic and beautiful practices of
		
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			religion, which are what we are
hopefully, in Islam for anyway. So
		
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			if we inhabit those depths, and we
put the core of the religion where
		
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			it belongs at the core of our
lives, and repeat the surface of
		
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			the things as being something two
dimensional and passing part of
		
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			the ebb and flow of the flux of
space and time and separation
		
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			distance from Allah, then we will
in shall not be in a healthier
		
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			state. And then our intuition will
guide us to the nature of our
		
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			engagement, the extent of our
relationality to the enormous, an
		
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			intimidating and quite cold and
inhuman mega structures of today's
		
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			world. There's no simple argument
to Should I join the military?
		
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			Should I become a politician?
Should I get into local
		
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			government? Should I run a hotel?
Should I be in etc. There's
		
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			questions everywhere, because
you're going to deal with a whole
		
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			range of often inflict terms
unprecedented new questions and
		
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			complex social situation. There's
no simple single factor on any of
		
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			those issues. But you do need to
have this basic disposition of the
		
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			soul, which is the soul is
oriented towards that pillar,
		
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			which means the depths the
ancient, dark mystery, the
		
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			Abrahamic beauty of God's
		
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			unchanging ability. If that's the
center of your life, that pillar
		
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			is the center of your life, then
you will be able to engage with
		
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			those spaces insha Allah with some
degree of protection with some
		
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			sort of HEFCE from the craziness
and polluted gases, which humanity
		
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			unfortunately has generated for
itself as a result of our
		
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			excessive greed and our
forgetfulness. So that's the end
		
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			of the homily. Haven't occupied
the whole two hours but and I
		
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			think my blood sugar level is
running down a bit. Get some of
		
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			those nice biscuits, so came late
as usual.