Abdal Hakim Murad – Riding the Tiger of Modernity

Abdal Hakim Murad
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The "sliding the tiger" label is a reflection of individual values and desire for control, and the "hasn't been met" label is used in various cultures, including the Far East, India, and the United States. The speakers stress the importance of finding a partner who is the most important, finding a partner who is the most important, and finding a partner who is the most important in maintaining humility and integrity. They stress the need for justice in society and finding a partner who is the most important, while also acknowledging the importance of finding a partner who is the most important and finding a partner who is the most important.
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Smilla hamdulillah salat wa salam ala Rasulillah he was Safi woman

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while

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some of you will recognize the lack of originality in the title.

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Riding the tiger is a fairly hackneyed expression, used quite

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often by those whose policy of responding to the perhaps

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unheralded challenges of the modern world consists not in the

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perhaps requisite eschaton eschatological Sherry If

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expectation or directive to head for the hills, with the proverbial

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flock of sheep, but to jump on the back of this threatening Tiger,

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and to see if one can attempt to tame it. One might say that much

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of the quote unquote, Islamist agenda of the past 50 years,

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perhaps more, has been based on the idea that one can for

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instance, rather than retreat from the banking system, attempt to

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carve out a niche within it, or even to tame it in some sense, so

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that it can once again be directed towards adjust and legitimate

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Sharia and the idea of the nation state. Another bugbear of many of

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our brethren is in the eyes of many something that can be

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appropriated and turned into something called an Islamic state.

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We can even have an Islamic Republic. interesting irony, when

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you consider that republicanism, particularly in its enlightenment

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guys emerged specifically as an antidote to a perceived clarity or

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theocracy. Republicanism was the child of carbonare, Freemasons of

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various kinds, French revolutionaries, people whose

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principal aim in life was to push religion back where they thought

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it belonged into a box, leaving the public square to the

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Republican and essentially Lake mentality, but we have following

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the Communist Revolution, the idea of an Islamic Republic, very

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strange

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bedfellows, but this is the discourse that some of our

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brethren perhaps with commendable courage, have sought. Instead of

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the traditional modality of taking a step back in times of

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turbulence. One takes a step forward, the presumption that

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Islam is a proactive rather than reactive religion, and one should

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seek to appropriate the technologies, the modalities, the

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structures, the infrastructures of modernity, in order to turn them

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to benign and humanitarian ends. So riding the tiger is a fairly

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hackneyed expression. Some of you may recall that it goes back in

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certain circles to the by now classic work of Julius Everleigh

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Chevelle Sheila T car, ride the tiger he generally implied it in

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the sense of a of an imperative. full title is a survival manual

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for the aristocratic of the soul. Is emerges from an intellectual

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world, generally unfamiliar to most Muslims, who have difficulty

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strolling into a bookshop, and even picking up books to enable

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them to understand the mainstream principles of modernity, let alone

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Dissident Voices within it. But some will be aware that within the

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story of Western modernity, and the agonistic progress towards a

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still undefined, unimaginable, utopian end game, there have been

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many dissidents of sometimes a Christian disposition, sometimes

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of class war disposition, sometimes have a racist

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disposition, who have sought to jump ship. Because of their

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radical interrogation of the value of the modern project, that is

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process of acceleration seems to them more likely to be a presage

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of downward than an upward movement, modernity, as in the

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grip of the law of gravity, its acceleration itself, grounds for

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suspiciousness, and dissent, Julius Everleigh, himself a tragic

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figure, a prophetic figure, but one whose vocabulary did not

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extend to an embracing of the second Semitism of Islam. Others

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of his generation, such as the fabled Naagin, all of the work I

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do here did in their very selective and possibly

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idiosyncratic sense, move in the direction of Islam, which they

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took to be Europe's third neglected heritage and last

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repository of tradition with a capital T, thereby excusing one

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the duty of moving further east, as many of the German romantics

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have done to seek la SolSmart spiritual values in the heritage

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of the putatively Aryan subcontinent. But this second

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Semitism has been a minority Aryan option for most Europeans who have

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not bought the ideology of progress, and are concerned with

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the atomism of on the human soul. The human subject human

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in society, which they take the enlightenment, inescapably to

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produce. So Everleigh, a very strange person, somebody who is in

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many ways inimical to an Islamic perspective, someone who bought

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into certain aspects of the race theory of his day and indeed spent

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some time during the war and lecturing at an SS college, not a

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natural bedfellow. For Muslim thinkers one might think, but

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nonetheless, somebody who has had a very significant role in

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triggering the counterculture, it's not a left wing

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counterculture. It's not a right wing counterculture, but it is a

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counterculture, which has continued to this day and which,

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unfortunately, is moving in the direction following the decline of

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the old Marxian alternative, the significant alternative to the

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progresses utopian discourse of liberal capitalism has moved in

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the direction of forms of xenophobia. So if you Google

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Julius Avila now, you will, within a couple of clips, find yourself

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in very clicks, find yourself in very unfamiliar territory in

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various anti immigrant websites, Ukrainian supremacist movements,

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and the like places where normally we don't, we don't populate.

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But nonetheless, his discourse and the discourse of that cloud of

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thinkers around him who are not really content with the pseudo

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science of the racial alternatives to the modernistic secularizing

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process of the mid 20th century,

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represents a vision that can offer Muslims at least pause for

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thought, when we consider what our due response to modernity should

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be. Should it be just ad hoc, we like certain things, and we don't

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like others, as if the modern world is a kind of buffet, from

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which we might safely graze while avoiding the alcohol dishes and

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the pork dishes with everything else we can consume. Is that

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really our big philosophy when we confront the menu of modernity? Or

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is there a deeper reservation of heart? Are we as evil as subtitle

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suggests, aristocratic of the soul? Now here you have some kind

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of egotistic claim that there is a Vanguard, an elite, a small number

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of human beings who have not been subjected to the conditioning of

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the mass media, and state directed educational processes have not

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been brainwashed, but retain the right to a deep sense of dissent

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and lack of asset to the premises of modernity, which raises what is

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perhaps one of the largest questions confronting modern

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Europe in particular, which is to say, if the dominant ideology is

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to be liberalism, to what extent can liberalism ostensibly a

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doctrine of tolerance, actually tolerate anything other than

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itself? Liberalism, in some way seems to becoming increasingly

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coercive, you must have such and such a curriculum, you must have

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certain views about alternative sexualities, you must have certain

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views about gender, you must have certain views, etc, etc, and

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increasingly proliferating list of boxes which one is expected to

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tick, which seems to sit ill with the basic premise of liberalism,

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which is to open the horizons to people for people to think and

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behave as they will, as long as they don't constitute a threat to

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public audit, and the current strange liberal Inquisition into

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schools, thou shalt be a liberal institution by Ofsted, and other

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quasi state institutions. Just an example of the inherent paradox of

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this late liberal or you might say coercive, liberal project.

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Europe's xenophobia, in a rather curious way, is being triggered by

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that liberalism whose roots lie in a campaign to open the horizons

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for human plurality and difference as process stretching back at

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least as far as the 18th century now being used as an implicitly

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persecutory discourse and Slava Dziedzic and others have remarked

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on the inherent violence of a certain type of liberal

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capitalistic discourse, particularly in the way in which

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marginalizes those whose dissent is outside the canon of forms of

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life, which officially approved by the dominant culture and the

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increasing strictures of the mass media. So Everleigh is a point of

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reference for people who are seeking an alternative, but

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unfortunately, because of his possibly a xenophobic, blind spot

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when it came to Europe's third heritage, as what he called he

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called it the heritage of Islam. God his move was definitely in the

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direction of the underestimated Israelite Semitism. Much of his

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analysis is alien and difficult, but still, there is much that we

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can find to be a value, not least because he did find an almost

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cosmological environment for his discourse.

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He believed, drawing on what he called, along with, again unions

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tradition, with a capital T, that we inhabit some sort of cosmic end

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game, that the signs of the hour are upon us that the current

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breakdown of tradition of monarchy of order of natural hierarchy of a

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sense of the sacred is an inevitable and indeed predicted

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presaging of the last days, the torba Magna. He certainly saw

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himself as being an aristocratic hero, crying in the wilderness of

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modern consumer blandness. So he has another book revolt against

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the modern world, politics, religion and the social order in

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the Kali Yuga. Here, like a lot of thinkers who thought that Europe's

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spiritual they saw smart had to be in some putative Aryan substrate

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is happy to mine the Brahmanical concept of the four ages, the Kali

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Yuga, the age of iron, the Dark Age, being at the end of the great

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circle of samsara, when things really start to break up, when

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human beings are so dark in their perception of the inherent

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radiance of matter and nature, that all they see is matter and

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nature, and they lack the ability to see its inherent translucence,

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the loss of the most fundamental, defining human attribute, which is

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the capacity to perceive the sacred, so dull have we become

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that we take that at face value, and are no longer able to see

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beyond its surface. So this is the dark age, the age of iron, the age

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of dissolution of hierarchy, a family, of priesthood, of the

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secret of pilgrimage of all of the things that historically shaped

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and defined the guiding priorities of normative humanity, we are

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forever now inhabiting that age of darkness. So this is part of his

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vocabulary and gain, and those whose persuasion followed him have

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made Hurley he is another American writer who has written

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specifically for Muslims on this idea of, of the the age of

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darkness, and everless idea being that we can somehow ride the

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tiger, that is to say, we can master it within limits, we can

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inhabit it, not as passive subjects and victims, but in some

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sense as active agents of change. And here, he adverts to what he

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takes to be one of the neglected aspects of tradition, which is

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unique its unique capacity to tap forms of human energy. Access to

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the secret gives human beings access to a form of nuclear energy

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that has no half life that continues indefinitely. The great

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driving force of humanity is either an authentic or a spurious

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simulacrum form of the religious energy. Everything else dissipates

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in pleasures, self serving pursuits of the seven deadly sins,

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and ultimately is inebriated and inert the energies of the secret,

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however, the unique human capacity to strive to sacrifice to reach

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beyond the demands of the senses, which is the gift of a belief in

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eternal life, and the gift of a belief that beyond the doll, black

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material carry piece of things, there lies a world of glowing

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beauty, that energy he believes is sufficient to enable us to ride

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the tiger, even amidst the dark shadows of an ignorant, modern

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world.

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So we have everless legacy as usual, we Muslims rarely stray

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into the bookshops, and we don't really know what this critique of

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modernity might signify, but it's picked up in the European far

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right, which represents yet another missed opportunity. One

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would say, European far right, is partly xenophobic, anti immigrant,

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quite often, explicitly or implicitly racist. But it is also

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often based on a certain anxiety about the loss of meaning, the

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confiscation of identity, by modernity, for which it uses often

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the immigrant, the strange looking guy with a corner shop as the

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scapegoat. But it also represents a form of dissidents, that has as

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its root, a genuine unease about what and who we become, when all

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of the traditional constituents of identity, monarchy, district,

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pilgrimage, the sacred priesthood, going to church, everything has

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been taken away, even the significance of the flag, and the

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old regiments and all of those old sort of biscuits, 10 Victorian

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illuminations that sort of constituted the corny definition

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of what it meant to be Victorian or Edwardian. All of those things

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have been taken away to be replaced by this bland consumer

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void with its endless capacity and its its its two dimensional

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brilliance to appeal to everything that is lazy and low and lustful,

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about our lower selves. Recently, just I think it was last week, I

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happened to be going to an interfaith meeting at Windsor

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Castle or other awkward place to get into actually when the queen

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is in residence you have to pass through various

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levels of people in different sorts of uniforms carrying

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different forms of weaponry.

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But I was actually prevented not by the boys in blue, but by the

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fact that my talk had coincided with the weekly changing of the

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guards. And so between me and the point where I had to go in order

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to give my lecture, there was sort of the band of the Coldstream

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Guards, and a lot of guardsmen marching up and down with Bennett

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drawn. And of course, there was no way in which I could sort of slip

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across the courtyard, well, that was in progress, it would have

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been trampled underfoot. So I just waited there fiddling with my

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phone, hoping that this would be an adequate excuse for giving my

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lecture late. But actually, it turned out to be an interesting

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experience. Normally, that is not my natural habitat at all. But

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observing the guards and then observing the spectators almost

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all teenagers, school children, visitors from various places, but

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essentially, young England really was an interesting lesson. Here

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you have in Windsor Castle, the epitome of a traditional, dusty,

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patriotic English faded identity, the changing of the guard, there

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are the cold streams with our battle honors. Nobody knows what

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they're looking at any longer, but asked charge, Waterloo, and

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Salamanca and CO Deus rial and Montecasino battle honors as long

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as your arm marching up and down. But they are so aware that this is

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no longer understood that when the band struck up, and the teenagers

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looked cynical, the first tune that they played was the theme

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tune from the new Star Wars movie.

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I was expecting the British grenadiers or some Sousa classics

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from the early 20th century, something retro but no, it was

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selected highlights from Hollywood blockbusters. And of course, they

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assembled teenagers, when they looked up from fiddling with their

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phones and pinching each other and giggling, they just started to

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dance.

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That is how British identity has now has now become. And that is

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where we now stand. And that is a strange ending for the National

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alternative to the former religious narrative, which used to

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define what we're about it was St. George's Chapel, which was the

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heart of Windsor Castle, and then it became the Queen's private

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apartments. And now what is it, even the National Secular

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narratives completely voided so that you just have the teenagers

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kind of rocking and rolling and fighting and laughing and

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applauding at the end, because they've got no idea what else to

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do. And that's the end, even of that alternative narrative to the

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old Christian narrative. And this is precisely why a lot of people

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in Europe are deeply uneasy, because they don't necessarily

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want to have only that. This is what Charles Taylor in his

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brilliant recent book, a secular age calls the felt flatness of

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modernity.

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Not only is it flat compared to the depths and the vertiginous

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sense of the sacred, and the overwhelming and eternity and

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beauty and grace and Heaven and * and God and the magnificence

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of the traditional view that human beings were surrounded by, but the

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flatness, but we also feel it has a certain sense of loss. We know

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that we've lost something. And we have this awkward, anxious sense

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that perhaps what we've lost is what actually is the most

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important thing, and that everything else is just a papering

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over of that increasingly vast crack. So the question that has

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been asked by present day, advocates of the Everland attempt

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to ride the tiger to try and fall find forms, whereby the world can

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be reset re re sacralized is something that underpins this new

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unease, this growing earthquake that was recently represented, for

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instance, into the German provincial elections with a

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frightening Return of the far right and very many even West

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German lender. It is there and it is on the march but it is only in

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part because they don't want to have more Syrians in the country.

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It is because they're deeply unease, uneasy about what they

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are, where they're going, the political elite that's leading

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them to more and more blandness away from tradition. So the blurb

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of a recent book in this in this world markets, villagers book

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generation identity, which is about our current attempt to live,

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rich and pleasurable and prosperous lives in the absence of

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meaning and identity. Just looking at the blurb it talks about

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Europe, her native population consists mostly of atomistic

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individuals lacking any semblance of purpose or direction,

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increasingly victimized by a political system with no interest

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in the people it governs.

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The oft lamented growth in the gulf between rich and poor is just

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one sign of that. But the fact that the politicians are not

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trusted, that their discourse seems to be increasingly

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platitudinous that they know that nobody really believes they'll

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deliver

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on their electoral promises, a certain Sundering an absence of

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trust between governed and governors is one of the increasing

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sources of unease.

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But what we have, therefore is the apotheosis or be at unlooked for

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of the original hope of the Enlightenment, which is that in

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the absence of the sacred, which for them represented the kind of

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dark shadows of the Church and its strictures which had to be pushed

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away as much as possible, in favor of the Lumia, the enlightenment,

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where the human subject is the measure of all things. So we have

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Rousseau and Voltaire and Kant, the kind of holy trinity of

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thinkers of the modern world, the individual, the miracle of the

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human conscience as that which can determine what is right without

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reference to holy books, or to a putative natural theology, but

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just man, the measure of all things, has been increasingly

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decomposing as a result of scientific, neurological,

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philosophical, psychological, historic interrogations of the

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idea of the coherence of the human subject itself. So modernity

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lapses and

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limps into post modernity. So that the very sovereign human subject

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which the Enlightenment thought that it could put in the space

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vacated by the Christian God is itself in a state of increasing

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crisis and anxiety, thereby producing these relatively minor

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epiphenomena whether it's the pig either in Germany, or Donald

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Trump, in America, or some of the Putin supporters, etc. And there

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are, of course, clones and replicas, simulacra of this

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phenomena, in India, in China, in the Muslim world, everywhere, that

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this is something that represents a sense of crisis that modernity

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has come to an end, post modernity is precisely constituted in the

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deconstruction of that human subject, which was supposed to be

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the fountainhead of meaning and beauty and philosophy and values

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that the Enlightenment was heralding. So what we find now as

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Muslims emerging into this rather broken and damaged landscape is a

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conversation radically unlike any that we have had with another

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civilization at any time in our history, and our own ways of

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responding Islamically to this smuggle in, albeit, amidst furious

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denials, much of the same crisis, so much Muslim talk is about

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boundary issues is about identity is about being something more than

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it is about believing something, ethics tends to be subsumed under

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a kind of furious legalism, that is largely a matter of defending

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one's threatened sense of self at all costs, rather than being

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connected to a genuine sense of what is right, and what is wrong.

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Recently, one of my students carried out a set of experiments,

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he's got a PhD in neurology, in which he wired up various

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religious, young British Muslims. And it's interesting to see them

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moving their head gear, and see if they got any hair or not. And some

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of them quite easy to attach the probes to their head and just

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measuring them as their brains responded to certain propositions.

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And very often he found, to his embarrassment, the Muslim himself,

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that what the Muslim brains are actually doing was very different

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to what the Muslim males were actually saying, Yes, we believe

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in this about the family and gender and the hood punishment,

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actually, the brain is doing something else. And this cognitive

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dissonance is something that is very painful for a lot of people

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and generate forms of, as it were fundamentalism that seek to

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inhabit that that critical space that dissonance and to try and

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close that gap. In other words, the denial of reality, in favor of

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the Furious defense of increasingly extreme and often a

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historical readings of the Sharia. These tendencies are a

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psychological reflex, they are not based in any way on an objective

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or responsible authentic reading of the soul of Islamic

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jurisprudence, but nonetheless powerful and destructive for all

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of that. So it is about the self, the crisis of the self, not just

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on the streets of Dresden, but also in the Muslim self, a sense

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of anxiety, the confiscation of identity, fact that the old

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signposts are being worn away by these winds of consumerism and

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Hollywood, and an anxiety to replace them with ultra sharp,

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repressed donated versions of their original self. And hence the

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strange reactiveness of so much of the Muslim community in Europe to

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see German convert in Berlin wearing what the Germans called

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Desert clothes, cotton

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and Arabian stuff, very strange, particularly since I was there in

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February. And it's pretty obvious that if you're saying, I'm going

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to wear desert clothes in Brandenburg in February that you

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got some kind of dissonance going on, because your interpretation of

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religion really doesn't fit the fact that it's really cold and

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wet. But that's just a sign an outward sign of the incapacity of

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the Muslim genuinely and an irresponsible and authentic way to

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look at the console to see what is authentic here, rather than just

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panicking about making concessions to the fall.

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So we have this, the anxiety of the self, but also at the same

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time, the idea of the sovereignty of the self. One of the things

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that the neffs does, when it feels anxious and threatened when it's

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old landmarks, or being confiscated, is to retreat into a

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sense of its own power, and sovereignty. And this is the self

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that that is commanding that wants to be an authority. And this is

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one of the things that Europe has discovered, the self becomes not

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just a measure of all things, but the instructor and the determiner

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of values. And this is one of the paradoxes of Western modernity.

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100 years ago, it was assumed women, of course, couldn't vote.

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Now, if anybody says that they shouldn't be voting, you suddenly

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don't get a job with the BBC. And you're really strange. It's a

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constant process of adaptation and change, because not only is the

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self detecting value in the world, as cops thought it could do, but

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it is actually making values and it is doing through. So through

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various forms of consensual movement, whose ultimate shape and

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shapers may not be discernible to anybody. So if anything is certain

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about the current value set of the global elite, it is that in 50

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years time, it will be something very different. And this is again,

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something that makes it difficult for us to ride that tiger, because

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the tiger itself doesn't really have a destination. But it's

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constantly experiencing new interstates that push it in a

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different direction. Remember, when the word the first university

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was created in Egypt, first secular, Western styled University

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and the Arab world didn't have female students. Why? Because it

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wanted to be modern. Traditional mother says good often, especially

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in the Mamluk period have women and they were mothers for women

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and Cairo and Damascus. If you want to be modern, before the

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First World War has to be for men, of course, and in Cambridge, maybe

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they could attend lectures, but they would be then parked in in

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Girton and nuneham. And certainly not allowed to take take degrees,

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ticket on Matondkar products. That's a mindset, a cognitive

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frame that is now very hard for people to imagine. But back then

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our reality would have been unimaginable level. The only thing

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that certain about the current boxes that were required to tick

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is that 50 years down the line, certainly 100 years down the line,

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the current social orthodoxies will be outrageous and

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unthinkable, Harris's and the West will be doing something new. This

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again, makes it difficult for us to engage in the conversation on a

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deep level, rather than a kind of firefighting and an immediate

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utilitarian level, because they don't seem to be any or soul. And

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instead, things are just endlessly mobile, the extraordinary mobility

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of modernity, which generates such incredible power, artistic power,

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and Hollywood and the economic thing at the stock exchange is a

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good example of the kind of brilliant randomness of the

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culture that because of this, everything is in flux. And slab,

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obviously Jack also has an interesting lecture, you can see

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it on YouTube, I think, where he says that the majority of people

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who work in the investment banking system, apologist, one or two

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friends present, but the majority of them, he said, they don't go to

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church, they're doing some form of spirituality that relates to

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Buddhism, whether it be mindfulness or meditation or some

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other thing. Why is that? He says, Because Buddhism also believes

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that the ultimate cannot be grasped. And that the world is

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constantly in a state of flux. And the self is not actually their

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self is not real destruction, not new self. You begin with a kind of

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useful fiction that you do have a self that you end up realizing

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that it's not there. And he says, that's exactly what the stock

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stock market is, all of these numbers flitting around, and

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people inventing money, and creating money on the basis of

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money that they say somebody else is going to create. And this

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enormous, extraordinary, randomized world is the perfect

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image for our modernity and the modern soul. And that's why

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Buddhism kind of fits into that world, even though what Gautama

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Buddha himself would have thought of Riggs bank or JP Morgan is

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another question but that seems to be where they are spiritually at

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home.

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So flux and the void, endless motion, a kind of celebration of

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randomness is something that

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It is the nature of the modern process, which again makes it

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difficult for us to have a conversation with it because

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they're not actually keytab any longer. There's something very

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strange, something without precedent. And I think that we

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have been wrong footed here. And often our response is, just as

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they on their fringes are looking for some kind of residual token of

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selfhood. So usually, unfortunately, they don't go to

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even song any longer, they go on some kind of anti immigrant, bmp

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March, that is the kind of degraded way in which they

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reconnect with the indigenous, the sense of Britishness or European

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or American is a kind of David Duke.

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Ridiculous, crude reification of the worst aspects of the culture

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that tends to be where that fringe moves to. But in the Islamic

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context, the similar ambience, the atmosphere which we breathe, which

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flatters us by saying that the self is sovereign.

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And that says, We need to be skeptical if the self is to defend

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itself, a sovereign of inherited hierarchy and authority and

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institutions is producing an allergist movements in the OMA of

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Islam.

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Why is it that so many people find their spiritual home saved with

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the works of Ibn Taymiyyah, rather than Al Ghazali Ibn Taymiyyah

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really an outlier in Islamic history, not even his, his famous

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followers didn't really follow him and a lot of things, and the armor

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generally passed by his his thought in silence. He believed

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that beyond the claimed contemporary consensus of the all

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on that, and the established wisdom of the format hubs and the

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Usher era and establish Sufi tariqas, there could be some

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sovereign principle within the soul of the believer himself,

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namely the fitrah which could enable one ultimately to have a

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good intuitive belief a sense of what actually is right or wrong.

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So if even Tamia chose the Sunnah, as intuited correctly by the sound

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fitrah of the human being, there's something very humanistic about

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this. Some people like Laos, some of the orientalist quite like even

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Tamia, because of his high opinion of the human capacity to know what

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to write. But of course, from the point of view of the stability of

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the tradition, it's a subversive message. If you're saying the

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format hubs require me to pray like this, but my fitrah reading

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the Quran and the Sunnah say that actually, I should pray like that,

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you have something that might claim to be a unifying principle,

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but which in practice tends to shatter the mother habit of Islam,

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into as many with our head as there are human beings who think

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they're in touch with their fitrah. It's impossible to avert

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to the fitrah, without also opening the door to human

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subjectivity, and to a raft of anxieties about what people

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actually want to do. So you have people looking into the sword and

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saying that they can find things like targeting civilians in

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Belgium.

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Whereas in fact, something like that is clearly ruled out by the

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format hubs. And this is the risk, this is the danger. And anybody

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who reads the Syrah can see how far this is. And this is a kind of

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parenthesis, but it is important, what would be the Syrah equivalent

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of what happened in Paris in Belgium?

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Well, the equivalent I guess, would be for somebody from Medina

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to go to Makkah. And to go to the marketplace, pull out a knife and

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start stabbing people at random. That's the equivalent thing.

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That's essentially what they did in Belgium and in Paris, and an

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increasing number of other places just to events, one's anger and

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one's rejection just by killing people from the other side at

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random, irrespective of how they voted or what their view is on

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foreign policy just just killed them. And this is the way of the

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Jackie Lea. The J Helia. is precisely predicated on the

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sovereign human self, the Hermia. Tilda Helia, the feverish pneus of

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the chair Helia is about us versus them, my tribe, right or wrong

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with no real aversion to higher ethics, or a sense that cuando

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neffs in Vienna, Casa de la Hina, every soul is a hostage for what

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it has has acquired Nope, it's back to the tribal age of us

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versus them. And this aversion is precisely what happens when the

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NATs becomes sovereign, and is so pleased with itself that it thinks

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that it can sit on some high throne and look down on the armor

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of the mothership, and all of the all of the soul and all of the

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automat of Cannan and say, Look, I may just be a dentistry student in

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Antwerp, but I know better than elfers Ali and Duany and even

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humble and all of those that's very gratifying for the self. And

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there is something in that fundamentalist impulse, the

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trusting of the fitrah which really is a euphemism for doing

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your own thing you

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There is a certain convergence between that and the Enlightenment

00:35:03 --> 00:35:07

belief in the sovereignty of the individual human subject, which is

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one reason why this type of movement tends to prosper. On

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neither side, do people really like to accept the wisdom

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accumulated wisdom with all of its crankiness and the decrepitude of

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its institution, the accumulated wisdom of tradition. So, we are

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not immune to these aversions, even though the language that is

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used is religious rather than secular, but the the fundamental

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shift from collective wisdom and inherited wisdom to the

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sovereignty of the angry and threatened human subject and human

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identity is something that happens amongst Muslims, as it does

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elsewhere. Now, I mentioned as I started, the figure of Louis

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Messenia, who's been a subject of some interest recently, and a lot

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of conferences and books published about him, perhaps of all Western

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writers on the religion of Islam, the one who really sought to go

00:36:04 --> 00:36:09

deepest, and who has had quite a quite an influence in Muslim

00:36:09 --> 00:36:14

circles and whose disciples, some of them did become Muslim, like

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his most famous disciples, that's on that day, who was Professor of

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Arabic at the Sorbonne, and was the French translator have been

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held on and that'd be Iranian, a major figure. In late 20th

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century, Arabic studies in France took the nine months or died only

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about 10 years ago, I used to know him, I learned a hammer, mess in

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your star pupil went into the Islamic Alma, but from a position

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of real erudition and from a position of looking at what's

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essential, and what is deepest, rather than the incrustation to

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the surface, and seen from the perspective of the turbulences of

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the ego. These will profoundly erudite, historically alert people

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aware of ambiguity and nuance, and happy to deal with ambiguity and

00:37:02 --> 00:37:08

nuance in a way that say, Ofsted is not an in a way that even TV as

00:37:08 --> 00:37:11

follows often are not a celebration of the fact that part

00:37:11 --> 00:37:14

of the gift of traditional religion is to give you

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the key to an Aladdin's cave, which is full of golden treasures,

00:37:19 --> 00:37:23

which seem to be piled up maybe somewhat chaotically, but which is

00:37:23 --> 00:37:27

really full of Marvels. Now, the fundamentalist in that case, as

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well, this doesn't look right, who made this stuff, we removed it all

00:37:30 --> 00:37:34

down, we'll just have the gold, Islam will be just gold. And we

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won't have all of this stuff and that stuff, and we that's all

00:37:37 --> 00:37:39

confusing, and that's culture and it's just had the gold.

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Well, you end up reshaping it, because you can't have the thing

00:37:45 --> 00:37:47

on itself that has to be interpreted by somebody's country,

00:37:47 --> 00:37:52

it's going to be your culture, and your reading of the message of the

00:37:52 --> 00:37:54

early Muslims, there's no neutral way of doing it, it's always

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mediated through yourself or somebody else's. So what they do

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is to melt down those treasures, and to take the gold of the Quran

00:38:01 --> 00:38:06

and the Sunnah, and to create new and often horrifying forms, called

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suicide bombing, or whatever it might be, to replace those old and

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beautiful forms. But that's not allowed. Hamas was very aware of

00:38:16 --> 00:38:22

the beauty of those forms, and was sophisticated enough and had

00:38:22 --> 00:38:27

enough experience to know that even though they seem to be kind

00:38:27 --> 00:38:31

of dusty, and jumbled, and in many ways, not very well maintained,

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they are what has come down to us from the past. They are our unique

00:38:36 --> 00:38:40

link to the sacred past. And that if you get rid of them, and create

00:38:40 --> 00:38:43

your own shapes out of those goals, then you will be radically

00:38:43 --> 00:38:47

disconnected from that past. One of the tragedies of the radical

00:38:47 --> 00:38:54

mind is that in seeking to bracket out 14th centuries of the illness

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story and get back to the pristine early story. In fact, they end up

00:38:58 --> 00:39:02

being cut off in a radical way from that early story. And they

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end up becoming a human form, that the early Muslims simply wouldn't

00:39:07 --> 00:39:10

have recognized at all. And that is, as we've said, closer to the

00:39:10 --> 00:39:14

feverish anger of the Jackie Leah. This is one of the tragedies and

00:39:14 --> 00:39:19

one of the subversive aspects of their approach because because of

00:39:19 --> 00:39:23

the loudness of their claim to have the Islamic State or the

00:39:23 --> 00:39:27

Islamic whatever, the world, apart from the scholarly world, and

00:39:27 --> 00:39:30

apart from the world of traditional believers, actually

00:39:30 --> 00:39:34

believes that and therefore, the beauty and the goodness of the

00:39:34 --> 00:39:39

self themselves are dragged down to the level of these latter day

00:39:39 --> 00:39:47

gorillas. So we have this, this insight, that somebody like monta

00:39:47 --> 00:39:53

who read Ebola and was aware of this, this alternative possibility

00:39:53 --> 00:39:59

that Massino himself charted and aware of the fact that for that

00:40:00 --> 00:40:04

The educated person, the less educated person is just really

00:40:04 --> 00:40:08

looking for ways of feeling good about himself and picking and

00:40:08 --> 00:40:11

choosing bits of tradition, whether it be in a fundamentalist

00:40:11 --> 00:40:15

or Liberal way. But for the educated person who is aware of

00:40:15 --> 00:40:18

the complexity and the brilliance and the depth of the cave and

00:40:18 --> 00:40:22

Russia or go into any Islamic library, and bigger than any of

00:40:22 --> 00:40:25

the Hindu libraries of a Christian like just goes on forever.

00:40:25 --> 00:40:30

Hundreds of 1000s of great thinkers, only 2% of which has

00:40:30 --> 00:40:32

even been printed. That's another thing we need to think about when

00:40:32 --> 00:40:36

we consider the brilliance of our heritage. You go to the Egyptian

00:40:36 --> 00:40:40

national library, what a shame What a scandal, even if the book

00:40:40 --> 00:40:45

you ask for hasn't been sort of stolen by somebody and sold in

00:40:45 --> 00:40:50

some dealers office in New York, even if the book is still there.

00:40:51 --> 00:40:54

The Faraj that guy brings you the book plunked it down in front of

00:40:54 --> 00:40:57

you, then he brings you your tea, and puts it on the pages of the

00:40:57 --> 00:41:02

manuscript. And it leaves a little circle, Molly shabby. Nevermind,

00:41:03 --> 00:41:08

what this book, do you have any idea maybe I've heard it's worth a

00:41:08 --> 00:41:10

lot of money in our show. No, that's, that's the estimation.

00:41:12 --> 00:41:17

This is the degeneracy of the custodians of that cave of

00:41:17 --> 00:41:18

treasures.

00:41:19 --> 00:41:24

And the windows broken, and the pigeons flying in and out. And oh,

00:41:24 --> 00:41:28

my God, and then you go to the casino at the Ramses hotel. And

00:41:29 --> 00:41:31

that's where the energy is in those places. Now, unfortunately,

00:41:31 --> 00:41:37

what people care about, but still those treasures are there. And

00:41:37 --> 00:41:41

further person who doesn't just want to listen to the theme tune

00:41:41 --> 00:41:43

of Star Wars is the most important thing in his life, but actually

00:41:43 --> 00:41:47

want to dig deeply and have a richer life. He's going to find

00:41:48 --> 00:41:51

those treasures and those wonders in those manuscript libraries,

00:41:51 --> 00:41:55

it's important that we conserve them a look after them, and

00:41:55 --> 00:41:58

digitize them and copy them so that even if they're stolen,

00:42:00 --> 00:42:02

we still have copies of those treasures. But it's it's hard

00:42:02 --> 00:42:03

work.

00:42:04 --> 00:42:12

So we still have that. And we have an again Vanson was very clear

00:42:12 --> 00:42:17

about this. And this was one of the reasons for his, his Islam. We

00:42:17 --> 00:42:23

have the fact of a unifying religious legacy, really unifying,

00:42:23 --> 00:42:27

nothing's more unifying than Tawheed. In its simple and

00:42:27 --> 00:42:31

absolute Islamic form monotheism, the most powerful idea in history.

00:42:31 --> 00:42:35

Islam has it in a really simple, straightforward, powerful, sacred,

00:42:35 --> 00:42:39

uncompromising, beautiful way. That's pretty powerful. And

00:42:39 --> 00:42:43

despite the clunkiness of the Ummah everywhere, the mosques are

00:42:43 --> 00:42:47

full everywhere, just because of the power of that idea. But this,

00:42:47 --> 00:42:52

but along with that, let you know how in the law, the other

00:42:52 --> 00:42:58

insistence on the the only reality is unity. The only ontological

00:42:58 --> 00:43:03

fact, is the divine, and everything else ends up being just

00:43:03 --> 00:43:08

really a point of view. Despite that radical insistence on unity,

00:43:08 --> 00:43:14

the OMA has been this peacocks tail of diversity, of

00:43:14 --> 00:43:19

interpretations and cultures. And so he wrote his book, or sanctuary

00:43:19 --> 00:43:24

left Islam, the five colours of Islam, which is his very scholarly

00:43:24 --> 00:43:29

exposition of how that has worked in history. So the five colors of

00:43:29 --> 00:43:34

Islam, for him really meant the Arab bit of Islam, the Persian bit

00:43:34 --> 00:43:37

of Islam, which we've included the subcontinent, the Turkish bit of

00:43:37 --> 00:43:41

Islam, including Central Asia, the black African bit of Islam,

00:43:41 --> 00:43:44

because he was a great scholar of Islam in Senegal, in new wall off

00:43:44 --> 00:43:47

and he was one of the great experts on that, and the

00:43:47 --> 00:43:52

Nusantara, the islands of this of Southeast Asia, and Indonesia,

00:43:53 --> 00:43:58

Malaysia that world, five colors. And because he was a scholarly

00:43:58 --> 00:44:00

master on all of these things, he could show how that beautiful

00:44:00 --> 00:44:04

principle of the rainbow reducing to the pure white light of Tawheed

00:44:05 --> 00:44:08

was an actuality. Despite the diversity of those cultures, and

00:44:08 --> 00:44:11

the fact they all face the table, or from different points of the

00:44:11 --> 00:44:17

compass, they all face the same peddler. This was for him, the way

00:44:17 --> 00:44:19

forward for Muslims in Europe.

00:44:20 --> 00:44:23

But for many of the young Moroccans who used to come to him

00:44:23 --> 00:44:27

and sort of talk about these things, he had a very beautiful

00:44:27 --> 00:44:30

flat in Paris and constantly, even in his retirement, people were

00:44:30 --> 00:44:31

coming.

00:44:32 --> 00:44:37

They were more interested in feeling better about themselves,

00:44:37 --> 00:44:43

and healing their ethnic traumas, and dealing with that worries than

00:44:43 --> 00:44:48

with exploring the beauty of the shining gold in in the Cave of

00:44:48 --> 00:44:51

Wonders, disarms Cave of Wonders, and they were kind of proud of it.

00:44:52 --> 00:44:55

But really, they didn't want to get into fuck readin Ross's

00:44:55 --> 00:44:59

arguments for the existence of God from contingent being they wanted

00:44:59 --> 00:44:59

really to

00:45:00 --> 00:45:02

know what they should go on the next demo about what was happening

00:45:02 --> 00:45:06

in Algeria and that was something that he had to work with

00:45:06 --> 00:45:11

constantly with them identity, taking the place of the things

00:45:11 --> 00:45:14

that really should be the deep things in religion and the the

00:45:14 --> 00:45:17

unhappiness that resulted from that because identity issues,

00:45:18 --> 00:45:22

political issues, economic worries, relationship issues. They

00:45:22 --> 00:45:25

tend to be part of the turbulence of human existence anyway.

00:45:26 --> 00:45:30

fitna is something that is kind of promised to be part of the history

00:45:30 --> 00:45:31

of the ummah.

00:45:32 --> 00:45:36

Holy Prophet alayhi salat wa salam says that, or that of the ALMA is

00:45:36 --> 00:45:41

filled dunya Alphington was a reservoir of cattle. The OMA is

00:45:41 --> 00:45:45

subject to Allah's mercy. Lisa Ali, her other one, Phil Afra has

00:45:45 --> 00:45:49

no punishment in the next world is punishment is in this world,

00:45:49 --> 00:45:55

fitness and earthquakes and killing. Well, we can see that.

00:45:55 --> 00:46:00

And this is just in a sense, particularly in an age in which

00:46:00 --> 00:46:04

religion is in the grip of the mentality of the age which is

00:46:04 --> 00:46:09

about the me the subject them and us the return to Jay Hillier. It's

00:46:09 --> 00:46:13

kind of part of the package. But what he constantly tried to do is

00:46:13 --> 00:46:17

to bring them down to a deeper level to connect with what really

00:46:17 --> 00:46:23

is important. Faith, Hope, beauty, a sense of pride in the

00:46:23 --> 00:46:28

incomparable aesthetic, cultural, architectural, spiritual,

00:46:28 --> 00:46:31

intellectual, theological, historical, sociological 30,

00:46:31 --> 00:46:35

achievements of the OMA and to connect with that, because that's

00:46:35 --> 00:46:39

what is real in religion, and that's what's going on. So one can

00:46:39 --> 00:46:44

be Muslim, for Islam, but Allah and His Messenger, or one can be

00:46:44 --> 00:46:48

Muslim for the Muslims. And the latter is really not a very good

00:46:48 --> 00:46:51

option, if you want to be on a kind of spiritual even keel

00:46:51 --> 00:46:56

nowadays, if the main thing that your Muslim ness is connecting

00:46:56 --> 00:47:00

with is the latest headlines on the BBC, that's, that's really not

00:47:00 --> 00:47:03

a very good place in which to place your principal religious

00:47:03 --> 00:47:07

concerns. This is just the kind of storm on the surface of the sea,

00:47:07 --> 00:47:10

and you need to be deep down with the interesting treasures and the

00:47:10 --> 00:47:13

sea creatures, because that's really what religion is about. And

00:47:13 --> 00:47:15

there's always a different storm, and last year storm will be

00:47:15 --> 00:47:18

forgotten, there'll be another one. That's the only predictable

00:47:18 --> 00:47:21

thing. So this is what he tried to do. And with his book, The five

00:47:21 --> 00:47:26

colors of Islam, where he showed the depth and the beauty of each

00:47:26 --> 00:47:33

of those bands in the Muslim rainbow. He insisted really, that

00:47:33 --> 00:47:39

the way to be at those depths, as a Muslim is to

00:47:40 --> 00:47:46

deal lightly with the boundary issues. And the anxieties that

00:47:46 --> 00:47:50

particularly recent migrant communities tend to inhabit on the

00:47:50 --> 00:47:50

surface.

00:47:51 --> 00:47:56

Further, European Muslim, is not a racial category of anybody who's

00:47:56 --> 00:47:59

really been brought up here and has the European cognitive frame,

00:47:59 --> 00:48:00

whether they like it or not,

00:48:01 --> 00:48:06

things are easier, because you're dealing with the current reality

00:48:06 --> 00:48:10

with its culture and with Islam. For the first generation, you're

00:48:10 --> 00:48:14

dealing with the current reality, and with Islam, and with an

00:48:14 --> 00:48:18

ancestral set of honor codes and beautiful things and ugly things

00:48:18 --> 00:48:22

and those things, and that's a much more difficult stage. So for

00:48:22 --> 00:48:27

him, we need to move from the triangular sort of identity to a

00:48:27 --> 00:48:31

world where just a dialectic between the timeless beautiful

00:48:31 --> 00:48:35

truths and inhabiting that golden cave. And on the other hand,

00:48:35 --> 00:48:38

seeing how we can still inhabit and maybe even ride the back of

00:48:38 --> 00:48:41

the Tiger of this strange, post enlightenment,

00:48:42 --> 00:48:48

post religious, modern capitalist, inescapable reality. So if you

00:48:48 --> 00:48:51

look at his writings, and if you look, for instance, at his

00:48:51 --> 00:48:54

treatment of an area that he knew very well,

00:48:55 --> 00:48:58

he really was a kind of old fashioned scholar and that he

00:48:58 --> 00:49:01

didn't sort of dig one hole very deeply, but he dug a lot of holes

00:49:01 --> 00:49:05

actually quite deeply in a whole range of places in the armor. This

00:49:05 --> 00:49:08

is part of the Macedonian tradition in western Orientalism

00:49:08 --> 00:49:11

that you learn all of the languages, mess in your new

00:49:11 --> 00:49:15

Turkish really well, Farsi really well. And reshimo was another

00:49:15 --> 00:49:18

example of him just being Arabist or Persian nest, which tends to be

00:49:18 --> 00:49:21

the style nowadays, but really to have a broad sense of Islamic

00:49:21 --> 00:49:25

civilization, which a lot of Muslims tend not to do. They tend

00:49:25 --> 00:49:28

to think of Muslim ness is focused on the Middle East, which is

00:49:28 --> 00:49:31

really not the case, because most Muslims are not in the Middle

00:49:31 --> 00:49:34

East. And the Middle East has not really produced major cultural

00:49:34 --> 00:49:39

intellectual achievements. For five or 600 years, the energy has

00:49:39 --> 00:49:45

been on the fringes and historians, the fact of the output

00:49:45 --> 00:49:49

of the libraries is evidence for that. So if you look at for

00:49:49 --> 00:49:50

instance,

00:49:51 --> 00:49:55

well, we're probably in France or England at one end, one extreme

00:49:55 --> 00:49:58

one edge of the big Eurasian landmass, which is really kind of

00:49:58 --> 00:50:00

important bit of the world

00:50:00 --> 00:50:05

Hold for religious history and look at the very other edge, which

00:50:05 --> 00:50:10

is the fifth of his five colors, which is the North Sunterra, the

00:50:10 --> 00:50:16

20,000 inhabited islands of Southeast Asia. And you look at

00:50:16 --> 00:50:21

their engagement with Islam, he finds there a style of Islam, that

00:50:21 --> 00:50:26

has been really focused on the depths of the religion and on the

00:50:26 --> 00:50:31

gold in those treasures, and less concerned with identity and

00:50:31 --> 00:50:35

boundary issues starting to change now, but certainly when he was

00:50:35 --> 00:50:39

studying it in the 40s and 50s, that that that was what that place

00:50:39 --> 00:50:44

was about. So look at the the willie sambal we should know about

00:50:44 --> 00:50:47

the willie Sangha. They are the nine holier than nine great

00:50:47 --> 00:50:51

scholars and saints, who are traditionally credited with the

00:50:51 --> 00:50:56

conversion of the island of Java to Islam. Java, really a place

00:50:56 --> 00:51:00

whose identity is complicated, really complicated, because deep

00:51:00 --> 00:51:04

substrate is shamanistic. And then it became Buddhist, we don't know

00:51:04 --> 00:51:08

how, and then they became Hindu, which is strange when you think

00:51:08 --> 00:51:11

Buddhists then Hindu, but we don't know how that happened. And then

00:51:11 --> 00:51:15

they became Muslim. And now they're kind of everything. And

00:51:16 --> 00:51:20

that unique, extraordinary process, for him provides an

00:51:20 --> 00:51:24

interesting context for investigating the capacity of

00:51:24 --> 00:51:26

Islam to

00:51:28 --> 00:51:33

to deal with massive multiplicity and inculturation itself.

00:51:35 --> 00:51:38

Now, inculturation, is not the same thing as assimilation, just

00:51:38 --> 00:51:42

kind of going native and losing ourselves. For him. The great

00:51:42 --> 00:51:48

genius of Islam is that it retains its structures of doctrine, and of

00:51:48 --> 00:51:53

practice, absolutely, and miraculously intact, in the midst

00:51:53 --> 00:51:56

of outward cultural forms that can be more diverse than those

00:51:56 --> 00:51:59

cultural forms, generated by any other civilization.

00:52:00 --> 00:52:04

And that's a balance that is characteristic of Islam and makes

00:52:04 --> 00:52:08

our cave of treasures, so much busier, and deeper and richer than

00:52:08 --> 00:52:15

anybody else is, the capacity of Islam, to foster a plurality while

00:52:15 --> 00:52:18

remaining absolutely uncompromising about the deep,

00:52:18 --> 00:52:22

important tell, heed religious things. And we often tend to

00:52:23 --> 00:52:27

confuse that listen to an average mosque conversation in modern

00:52:27 --> 00:52:32

Britain just you sometimes it's not good to eavesdrop. Sometimes

00:52:32 --> 00:52:34

people are speaking with such passion that you can't help but

00:52:35 --> 00:52:37

hear what's what's going on. Nine times out of 10, what they're

00:52:37 --> 00:52:40

talking about the boundary issues of various kinds of resistance,

00:52:40 --> 00:52:45

hijab is not quite right. And look at what's happening in Turkey. And

00:52:45 --> 00:52:49

why is the Imams stoled, not linen rather than cotton or some other

00:52:49 --> 00:52:52

strange thing or somebody came to me recently with this really

00:52:52 --> 00:52:55

scatty idea saying that you can't recite the Quran, according to the

00:52:55 --> 00:53:00

McCombs, everybody who's always recited the Quran, according to

00:53:00 --> 00:53:02

you can't do that because of McCombs, or from some non Muslim

00:53:02 --> 00:53:06

culture. So that's another boundary issue, has nothing to do

00:53:06 --> 00:53:10

ever at all in any way, conceivably, with the soul doesn't

00:53:10 --> 00:53:13

affect the validity of Tajweed. If you use knock on the house and

00:53:13 --> 00:53:17

knock on the server, totally irrelevant, but we're so anxious

00:53:17 --> 00:53:20

about boundary identity issues, that's dominated our conversation.

00:53:20 --> 00:53:24

So we're on the stormy surface. And the depth is kind of not many

00:53:24 --> 00:53:26

Muslims diving down there any longer because we're kind of

00:53:26 --> 00:53:29

fighting on the surface. And we've kind of forgotten that religion is

00:53:29 --> 00:53:32

really not primarily about the surface. So

00:53:33 --> 00:53:40

in the Nusantara, particularly in those areas, really, Java is the

00:53:40 --> 00:53:44

center of everything. There's a few other places where they're

00:53:44 --> 00:53:46

interesting culture, Southern Sumatra, and others. But

00:53:46 --> 00:53:51

basically, it's Java really complicated, deep, outrageous, in

00:53:51 --> 00:53:55

many ways. It's forms of syncretism that you can't justify

00:53:55 --> 00:53:58

in Sharia. But if you look at the way in which Islam came to those

00:53:58 --> 00:54:01

places, it came to the Wali Songo, the nine saints.

00:54:02 --> 00:54:05

And their strategy was to say, take people

00:54:06 --> 00:54:10

to what is deepest in religion, and don't waste their time with

00:54:10 --> 00:54:15

the surface things that will come later. And it's not the most

00:54:15 --> 00:54:20

important thing, what they believe is actually more important than

00:54:20 --> 00:54:21

what they're wearing.

00:54:22 --> 00:54:25

Is that really a difficult concept for some Muslims nowadays? It does

00:54:25 --> 00:54:28

seem to be though if he's not wearing a hijab

00:54:30 --> 00:54:36

What if her Eman is better than your Eman? What then knows. This

00:54:36 --> 00:54:39

is because that's that's what Islam is. It's just a kind of

00:54:39 --> 00:54:42

badge of identity for so many of us. But look at look at the depth.

00:54:42 --> 00:54:46

So the willie Sangha, and they're kind of mysterious, almost

00:54:46 --> 00:54:50

mythological figures. We don't even know if there were nine. If

00:54:50 --> 00:54:55

you actually count up the Welly song goal. You come to somewhere

00:54:55 --> 00:54:56

between 40 and 50.

00:54:57 --> 00:54:59

by my reckoning, but that's just part of it.

00:55:00 --> 00:55:05

The mystique of it very Javanese. So, the inculturation about which

00:55:05 --> 00:55:10

now start Monty used to write. If you go to the second city of

00:55:10 --> 00:55:14

Indonesia, which is Surabaya, it's kind of its spiritual hub is the

00:55:14 --> 00:55:18

mosque and the Mazhar and the College of sauna and unpin.

00:55:19 --> 00:55:20

He was,

00:55:21 --> 00:55:26

again, not quite sure where he was on probably, of Chinese and ozbek

00:55:26 --> 00:55:27

heritage

00:55:28 --> 00:55:34

from some OPCON anyway, so maybe Persian speaking rod in Ramat and

00:55:34 --> 00:55:39

his great pupils on unborn in the region, originally Rodden Molana

00:55:40 --> 00:55:45

Matome. Ibrahim seems to have been, again, a Chinese mother, the

00:55:45 --> 00:55:49

influence of Chinese Assam and Chinese convert very significant

00:55:49 --> 00:55:55

in that part of the world. Sonam bond is significant because he,

00:55:56 --> 00:55:59

first of all, you'll notice how they, the first thing they do is

00:55:59 --> 00:56:03

to change their names. He doesn't want to be Molana Makhdoom Abraham

00:56:03 --> 00:56:06

any longer he knows that'll get in the way of taking his people down

00:56:06 --> 00:56:10

to the depths when they lived 90% of people are Hindus or

00:56:10 --> 00:56:14

syncretistic of animists or whatever. A big task for the Dawa,

00:56:14 --> 00:56:18

a long way from the heartland of the Ummah, not an easy place to

00:56:18 --> 00:56:23

get into a very deep, traditional place, very static place. And in

00:56:23 --> 00:56:26

order to get into the depths, don't mess around to the surface.

00:56:26 --> 00:56:30

don't alienate them because you've got some freaky Arab name, that

00:56:30 --> 00:56:33

wander around in desert clothes in the streets of Seoul about a get

00:56:33 --> 00:56:36

might be more comfortable than wearing desert clothes and in, in

00:56:36 --> 00:56:41

Berlin, but still, it's going to kind of be a veil is going to get

00:56:41 --> 00:56:47

in people's way. And the dollar is going to be of the surface where

00:56:47 --> 00:56:51

all the storms are. And he won't get down to those depths. And

00:56:51 --> 00:56:54

these people knew that actually, the Javanese are people who

00:56:54 --> 00:56:58

naturally inhabit the depths, some sort of dark and freaky depths as

00:56:58 --> 00:57:02

well as sort of the luminous depths of some very odd, odd odd

00:57:03 --> 00:57:05

world of superstitions and beliefs that but they are sort of

00:57:05 --> 00:57:12

spiritual static Indyk deep people in their deepest instinct. So

00:57:12 --> 00:57:15

going down to the depths, don't freak them out by giving yourself

00:57:15 --> 00:57:19

or having some Arabic name, you can keep it. But for purposes of

00:57:19 --> 00:57:23

Dawa, you will soon unborn and you are rather than whatever, you use

00:57:23 --> 00:57:30

the indigenous Javanese and don't march around in Yemeni or Moroccan

00:57:30 --> 00:57:34

clothes. What could that mean? Were the Javanese clothes. So

00:57:34 --> 00:57:35

these these

00:57:36 --> 00:57:39

are the songs or were famous for magnificently dressing and

00:57:39 --> 00:57:44

magnificent sort of Indic dress of the Java need. And that overcame

00:57:44 --> 00:57:48

the surface barriers and enable them to take the people of Java by

00:57:48 --> 00:57:53

the hand and to dive with them into the depths. So Sonnen born

00:57:53 --> 00:57:57

ENGs great legacy, in many ways was his

00:57:58 --> 00:58:05

mastery of the Javanese language, and his creation of songs and

00:58:05 --> 00:58:10

poems that use the forms of the traditional Indic devotional

00:58:11 --> 00:58:16

literature of Java, but with an Islamic content. And to this day,

00:58:16 --> 00:58:19

everybody in Java, if they're Muslim, they know and love these

00:58:19 --> 00:58:24

songs, it goes so deep into people's hearts. So in some song

00:58:24 --> 00:58:28

competitions, and if you ever go to the again, it's kind of rather

00:58:28 --> 00:58:30

eye popping sometimes. But if you go to say the Indonesian

00:58:30 --> 00:58:34

equivalent of the voice, for instance, how often these songs

00:58:34 --> 00:58:38

will be there. There's some ditzy little girl maybe in a miniskirt

00:58:38 --> 00:58:41

singing away, but it's one of the songs of son unborn because it's

00:58:42 --> 00:58:44

absolutely axiomatic in our culture, and even the most secular

00:58:44 --> 00:58:48

people will still love that. And it keeps gives them some kind of,

00:58:49 --> 00:58:55

of a thread that attaches them to to Islam. In many of the

00:58:55 --> 00:58:58

pesantren. The Quranic schools, these songs are known.

00:59:00 --> 00:59:01

The best known of them

00:59:02 --> 00:59:06

is this one. This is just an English translation of one of his

00:59:06 --> 00:59:12

kind of very simple nasheeds. Know that there are five cures to your

00:59:12 --> 00:59:17

heart. First, read the Quran with an understanding of its meaning.

00:59:17 --> 00:59:23

Secondly, do not forget to 100 prayer. Third, keep the company of

00:59:23 --> 00:59:29

the people whose hearts luminous. Fourthly, keep your stomach hungry

00:59:29 --> 00:59:35

regularly. Fifthly Do not forget to remember God at night. Anyone

00:59:35 --> 00:59:40

who can do even one of these, may Allah bless him forever. Nothing

00:59:40 --> 00:59:42

could be simpler. You could kind of get the five year old to

00:59:42 --> 00:59:46

understand that completely. But everybody in Indonesia knows that

00:59:46 --> 00:59:49

and it's on the song competitions and other peasant trends. They all

00:59:49 --> 00:59:53

done such an amazing impact. How did you do it you can get them to

00:59:53 --> 00:59:55

sing in Arabic even though they didn't know Arabic which is what

00:59:55 --> 00:59:59

we tend to do here which is kind of nice and sentimental but not

00:59:59 --> 00:59:59

the

01:00:00 --> 01:00:04

way of Dawa. Instead, he goes into the essence of the culture

01:00:04 --> 01:00:07

affirming the beauty of their language, and their traditional

01:00:08 --> 01:00:13

tonalities. And he brings them up. So thanks to these people, these

01:00:13 --> 01:00:19

worldly Sangha, the 80 million strong population of Java, he's

01:00:19 --> 01:00:23

actually mostly Muslim now, which is pretty impressive. If you

01:00:23 --> 01:00:26

compare that to some of the strategies used elsewhere, so in

01:00:26 --> 01:00:29

India, where often the Allah mat kind of maintained quite a

01:00:29 --> 01:00:33

distance, and didn't use indigenous forms, and wouldn't it

01:00:33 --> 01:00:38

be amazing if Indian hours 80 90% Muslim, but no, the Allamah tended

01:00:38 --> 01:00:41

to say we are a shut off and we use Persian and we're kind of a

01:00:41 --> 01:00:44

cut above everybody else. And it's only some of them like minored in

01:00:44 --> 01:00:48

Chishti who said, nevermind the surface stuff, nevermind writing

01:00:48 --> 01:00:52

stuff in Persian, use the local languages dive deep, and take the

01:00:52 --> 01:00:55

people to what really matters in religion and then the surface will

01:00:56 --> 01:01:00

will follow. But this was the approach of the wily Sangha. So

01:01:00 --> 01:01:03

someone born and has great disciple was one of the best known

01:01:03 --> 01:01:06

of the Molson and Kelly Jaga. Again, not a very Arabic name,

01:01:06 --> 01:01:12

Southern Cali Jaga, who was the queasy legendary inventor of the

01:01:12 --> 01:01:15

way and call it, which is the famous Javanese shadow puppets.

01:01:16 --> 01:01:20

And this is, again, a great way of reaching the masses, you go to any

01:01:20 --> 01:01:23

traditional village in Java to this day, and when they're not

01:01:24 --> 01:01:27

watching The Force Awakens, because unfortunately, that's

01:01:27 --> 01:01:32

there as well. They are looking at the shadow puppets, which is

01:01:32 --> 01:01:36

really amazing, beautiful, ancient, very simple, traditional

01:01:36 --> 01:01:39

art that doesn't require money or technology, just this amazing guy

01:01:39 --> 01:01:42

called the Delhomme who's sitting behind the screen with the light

01:01:42 --> 01:01:45

shining, so you can only see the shadows and he works all night.

01:01:45 --> 01:01:48

It's an amazing skill telling these stories. And

01:01:49 --> 01:01:53

the villagers are kind of really, really into this. And many of the

01:01:53 --> 01:01:57

stories that son and Kelly Jagger used were actually not Islamic

01:01:57 --> 01:02:00

stories at all, but come from the Ramayana and the Hindu legends.

01:02:00 --> 01:02:04

And he used to confer with his his his Sheikh, son unborn and

01:02:04 --> 01:02:07

frequently about what are the boundaries? Because he was a man

01:02:07 --> 01:02:11

of Sharia? What can we do so that's why they use the shadow

01:02:11 --> 01:02:14

puppets, because it's just forms, it's not really pictures of people

01:02:14 --> 01:02:19

and the fetters that was permissible. And his shape also

01:02:19 --> 01:02:22

told him to make the forms really not look like human beings or

01:02:22 --> 01:02:25

living beings, but kind of distorted and strange. If you see

01:02:25 --> 01:02:28

the images of the Javanese shadow puppets, they've got kind of long

01:02:28 --> 01:02:33

nose and freaky foreheads, and kind of weird, but beautiful in a

01:02:33 --> 01:02:37

certain folkloric way. And so he did this in order to spread the

01:02:37 --> 01:02:41

message of Islam through teachings that he found in the indigenous

01:02:41 --> 01:02:44

tradition that was still about that too, and about heroism and

01:02:44 --> 01:02:49

about dhikr, about the secret. And within a few generations, the

01:02:49 --> 01:02:53

population of rural Java had come to Islam through these methods.

01:02:55 --> 01:02:59

That's an amazing story. And thus a multi was very fascinated by

01:02:59 --> 01:03:06

this. But the question then arises is how you you pull the same stunt

01:03:06 --> 01:03:11

in the context of modernity, how he wrote that Javanese Targa Tiger

01:03:12 --> 01:03:15

successfully and Indonesia is now the world's most populous Muslim

01:03:15 --> 01:03:19

country. And in Java alone, there's more Islamic universities,

01:03:19 --> 01:03:21

then in the whole of the Middle East, it's not insignificant.

01:03:24 --> 01:03:31

And how do you do that today? Well, the obvious response to that

01:03:31 --> 01:03:34

is that it's going to be easier and harder, easier, because you're

01:03:34 --> 01:03:38

not dealing with deeply entrenched, traditional people who

01:03:38 --> 01:03:41

really can't imagine doing anything different to what their

01:03:41 --> 01:03:44

great grandmother's would have approved of. Modern world is not

01:03:44 --> 01:03:47

like that people are much more mobile, people will become

01:03:47 --> 01:03:51

Buddhists without thinking. People will convert to religions without

01:03:51 --> 01:03:55

thinking in order to marry people. Everybody is mobile in flux,

01:03:55 --> 01:03:58

because it's all of the surface. It's all about identity. And hey,

01:03:58 --> 01:04:01

this year, I'm going to be a biker and I bought my leathers and next

01:04:01 --> 01:04:04

year, I think I'll do a bit of Kabbalah. And then the year after

01:04:04 --> 01:04:08

that, maybe I'll support Everton and this is just how people work.

01:04:09 --> 01:04:11

On the surface, everything's kind of leveled out and becomes just

01:04:12 --> 01:04:13

different ways of being.

01:04:14 --> 01:04:16

But for

01:04:17 --> 01:04:23

our purposes, taking people down is going to be harder. So on the

01:04:23 --> 01:04:27

one hand, people are more mobile, they seem to convert sometimes. I

01:04:27 --> 01:04:28

was talking to somebody.

01:04:29 --> 01:04:33

A few days ago, we wanted to marry this Muslim girl. So we're talking

01:04:33 --> 01:04:36

about Islam, and I explained it to him. So do you have any questions?

01:04:36 --> 01:04:37

No, it's fine.

01:04:39 --> 01:04:41

You know, you're gonna pray five times a day for the rest of your

01:04:41 --> 01:04:46

life. Yeah, that's fine. You what you're, you know, brought up who's

01:04:46 --> 01:04:51

brought up the Christian? Yeah, that's all right. That's kind of

01:04:51 --> 01:04:55

really worrying because he just wanted to marry this girl. And

01:04:55 --> 01:04:57

that's kind of that's hard to deal with.

01:05:00 --> 01:05:04

So people mobile and convert and unconverted at the drop of the

01:05:04 --> 01:05:07

hat. This is predicted prophetically in the Hadith that

01:05:07 --> 01:05:11

says, used to be gradual, a few min and williamsii Kaviraj. At the

01:05:11 --> 01:05:15

end time somebody will wake up a Muslim, and get a bed as a non

01:05:15 --> 01:05:18

Muslim. And then they will wake up as a non Muslim and go to bed as a

01:05:18 --> 01:05:22

Muslim. It's the kind of time of religious Brownian motion people

01:05:22 --> 01:05:25

moving in all conceivable random directions, we have somehow to get

01:05:25 --> 01:05:26

used to that.

01:05:29 --> 01:05:32

But on the other hand, difficult because you're telling people

01:05:33 --> 01:05:36

actually religion isn't just the surface and headlines and wearing

01:05:36 --> 01:05:40

desert clothes and eating biryani and being freaky about

01:05:41 --> 01:05:45

it's about going deep. It's about how he'd about let alone a lot of

01:05:45 --> 01:05:50

that stillness to that connection to the sacred. It's about really

01:05:50 --> 01:05:54

loving humanity and all of those things. This is such a new

01:05:54 --> 01:05:59

language for people, that they need to be taken further back in

01:05:59 --> 01:06:02

order to learn the basis of what religion is supposed to be in what

01:06:02 --> 01:06:04

human beings have traditionally aspired to.

01:06:05 --> 01:06:08

They may not have any sense of what a pilgrimage is really meant

01:06:08 --> 01:06:09

to be.

01:06:10 --> 01:06:14

Traditional Catholic who converted to Islam could work out the Hajj

01:06:14 --> 01:06:14

pretty quickly.

01:06:15 --> 01:06:21

An atheist, an atheist background, for him, the HUD really needs to

01:06:21 --> 01:06:25

be explained in painful detail before it makes any sense at all.

01:06:25 --> 01:06:27

What is this this toe off and going round and going this way?

01:06:27 --> 01:06:31

And that way? And throwings? What is that? Because there's no,

01:06:31 --> 01:06:34

there's no background, there's no context, that makes things more

01:06:34 --> 01:06:38

difficult. And it makes the process of writing this particular

01:06:38 --> 01:06:43

Tiger, which is a kind of, it's a sort of not really organic, it's a

01:06:43 --> 01:06:49

kind of sort of robotic Tiger, in a certain sense, it's the machine

01:06:49 --> 01:06:54

of modernity, where technique has increasingly occupied what's

01:06:54 --> 01:06:57

happening on the surface of the planet, and the human organic bit

01:06:57 --> 01:07:00

gets smaller and smaller, and more and more things are done by

01:07:00 --> 01:07:05

robots. And even my bank seems to be entirely populated by robots, I

01:07:05 --> 01:07:08

can never get through to human being and buying a ticket. And

01:07:08 --> 01:07:11

it's that's the modern reality. So

01:07:12 --> 01:07:17

actually getting through to the, the humanity becomes harder,

01:07:17 --> 01:07:22

because people's experience is not enriched from an early age, by

01:07:22 --> 01:07:26

complex and rich human engagements with extended families and with

01:07:26 --> 01:07:30

neighbors but largely through engagement with with these things.

01:07:32 --> 01:07:36

handheld devices and other devices and the teenager who's got the

01:07:36 --> 01:07:41

laptop, and the mobile phone. And that is something really new,

01:07:41 --> 01:07:44

which we have not dealt with before. And taking people from

01:07:44 --> 01:07:48

that level into the depths is going to be harder. And writing

01:07:48 --> 01:07:53

that particular Tiger is going to be really hard. And this is

01:07:53 --> 01:07:57

possibly quite possibly the stage at which we do have to disengage

01:07:57 --> 01:08:03

and say, well, we're not going to be defined by these this

01:08:03 --> 01:08:09

increasingly overwhelming and dictatorial technological culture,

01:08:10 --> 01:08:15

which has gotten us what effects on on the beat the fundamental

01:08:15 --> 01:08:19

functioning of the human species. So here's a fun fact for you, the

01:08:19 --> 01:08:23

average American males testosterone levels declined by 1%

01:08:23 --> 01:08:24

every year.

01:08:26 --> 01:08:28

And this is one people are worrying about this and saying,

01:08:28 --> 01:08:31

Well, is this why relationships are failing and why men are

01:08:31 --> 01:08:36

wimping out and the women are doing best in careers and 65% of

01:08:36 --> 01:08:38

undergraduates are women and what's going on?

01:08:39 --> 01:08:42

Well, one explanation for that, apparently, is the use of laptops.

01:08:43 --> 01:08:48

Think about that. So we don't know the extent to which our reality is

01:08:48 --> 01:08:53

surrounded by really powerful machines. There's a certain

01:08:53 --> 01:08:56

vulnerability about the human metabolism that has its limits and

01:08:56 --> 01:08:59

will eventually start to break down. And what it doesn't do the

01:08:59 --> 01:09:03

spirit and the psyche is another thing that doesn't bear thinking

01:09:03 --> 01:09:09

about the stillness, the focused centeredness, that is essential

01:09:09 --> 01:09:15

for beginning the plunge into the center, the depth is the center is

01:09:15 --> 01:09:18

going to be difficult if we have never really been a state in a

01:09:18 --> 01:09:21

state of collected integral centeredness, because there's

01:09:21 --> 01:09:26

always another text and another thing going on. And that is

01:09:26 --> 01:09:30

really, really hard. And the extent to which the species itself

01:09:30 --> 01:09:34

and the brain is being rewired. Because teenagers and are

01:09:34 --> 01:09:37

increasingly dominated by this form, is going to create

01:09:38 --> 01:09:41

historically unprecedented challenges for religion. Easy to

01:09:41 --> 01:09:45

get them to be crazy fundamentalists, because it's all

01:09:45 --> 01:09:48

on the surface and it's all storms and that's what they used to get

01:09:48 --> 01:09:53

them into a time of stillness where they think it's fine to be

01:09:53 --> 01:09:54

doing nothing.

01:09:55 --> 01:09:58

Or you can have a long, focused conversation with another human

01:09:58 --> 01:09:59

being and experience the divine

01:10:00 --> 01:10:03

Mystery of the soul in communication with another soul,

01:10:03 --> 01:10:08

or a real relationship of love with another human being, or a

01:10:08 --> 01:10:12

relationship with an animal, which is another thing that human beings

01:10:12 --> 01:10:15

have lost. Because part of the richness of the human experience

01:10:15 --> 01:10:18

always was with engaging with animal mind, you didn't have to be

01:10:18 --> 01:10:21

looking after goats in your backyard, although a lot of people

01:10:21 --> 01:10:24

did. But the relationship with a horse when you are traveling

01:10:24 --> 01:10:27

somewhere, or the camel, or that's another aspect of

01:10:27 --> 01:10:31

intersubjectivity that's been lost. And where we're impoverished

01:10:31 --> 01:10:36

by the increasing sort of metallic context of our lives. How you ride

01:10:36 --> 01:10:41

that Tiger is a big question. And I'm not sure that all on that

01:10:41 --> 01:10:44

really have begun to deal with that. And very often you find

01:10:44 --> 01:10:46

Muslims saying we must embrace technology.

01:10:48 --> 01:10:50

Doesn't we think about that metaphor is kind of

01:10:52 --> 01:10:57

I can imagine people things. Cats, I wouldn't mind embracing that

01:10:57 --> 01:11:00

technology is kind of cold and Angular and doesn't really not

01:11:00 --> 01:11:04

going to respond in a very satisfying way. There's a certain

01:11:04 --> 01:11:07

way in which the technology dominates us because it's got a

01:11:07 --> 01:11:08

better memory. And

01:11:09 --> 01:11:13

it's, it looks better, the phone always looked good was the human

01:11:13 --> 01:11:17

metabolism tends to crumble after a while. It's kind of

01:11:17 --> 01:11:22

increasingly, as the human subject maintains its historic mammalian

01:11:22 --> 01:11:25

self, and the technology gets better and better at the stuff it

01:11:25 --> 01:11:30

does we necessarily shrink. So to embrace this, this enormous

01:11:30 --> 01:11:34

monster is something that's a bit worrying. But still, the question

01:11:34 --> 01:11:38

is, we have to coexist with this tiger. Maybe it's not possible to

01:11:38 --> 01:11:42

ride it. But though, it's necessary for us to coexist,

01:11:42 --> 01:11:46

because even the summoner Council, you should call and your corner

01:11:46 --> 01:11:50

Pharaoh melee and Muslim Vanaman yet Tabby, OBE, shareability bail

01:11:51 --> 01:11:55

on my work LK three federal Rubini human will fitten sound Hadith in

01:11:55 --> 01:11:58

Sahih Muslim there's lots like it. It's almost the time the Holy

01:11:58 --> 01:12:02

Prophet is telling us it's almost the time when the best thing a

01:12:02 --> 01:12:06

Muslim can own will be a flock of sheep with which he goes to the

01:12:06 --> 01:12:09

mountain passes and the places where the rain falls, fleeing with

01:12:09 --> 01:12:14

his religion from fitna. Well, first of all, you have to get the

01:12:15 --> 01:12:16

the somebody to

01:12:17 --> 01:12:20

get to the sheep and to certify the sheep, and maybe they need

01:12:20 --> 01:12:23

their ears clipped. And then you need to, you have to slaughter

01:12:23 --> 01:12:27

them in a way that the government will approve of. And then where's

01:12:27 --> 01:12:30

Where's where's the valley that somebody hasn't already built a

01:12:30 --> 01:12:33

Burger King or an airport or seriously

01:12:35 --> 01:12:39

that the real meaning of that is that there has to be a certain

01:12:39 --> 01:12:40

inner withdrawal,

01:12:41 --> 01:12:45

that the surface is going to be so turbulent increasing, that the

01:12:45 --> 01:12:50

believer has to be more of a diver than he was in the past. And that

01:12:50 --> 01:12:52

shouldn't be a good thing, because that's where the reality of

01:12:52 --> 01:12:56

religion is. So that whereas other Muslims are saying, nevermind the

01:12:56 --> 01:13:00

spirituality, business, and this art and depth, and vicar, let's

01:13:00 --> 01:13:03

stay on the surface, because it's kind of interesting seeing all of

01:13:03 --> 01:13:06

the fighting that's going on, we can actually change the world by

01:13:06 --> 01:13:11

being on the surface instead of that, Let's withdraw. If you can't

01:13:11 --> 01:13:13

find a sheep and a mountain.

01:13:14 --> 01:13:19

Perfect, then that's a literal obedience to the, to the Hadith.

01:13:19 --> 01:13:21

And very often, we find that our brothers who say we want to

01:13:21 --> 01:13:24

literally follow the Quran and the Hadith, they tend not to look at

01:13:24 --> 01:13:27

that hadith much they want to be on the surface fighting with some

01:13:27 --> 01:13:29

other group that has a different view of the Hadith.

01:13:31 --> 01:13:35

You won't find too many of them then the Scottish Borders with a

01:13:35 --> 01:13:39

nice flock of Merino sheep, a lot, a lot. That's not what they were.

01:13:39 --> 01:13:42

They are the frontline of fitna wars.

01:13:43 --> 01:13:48

But we need to find ways of recalibrating ourselves so that

01:13:48 --> 01:13:53

naturally the things we think about, and the things that we talk

01:13:53 --> 01:13:56

about are the things of the depths, rather than the things of

01:13:56 --> 01:13:59

the surface. Otherwise, we're really going to suffer

01:13:59 --> 01:14:03

psychically, psychically because the surface is so

01:14:04 --> 01:14:09

almost uninhabitable. Now. The surface of the world with its

01:14:09 --> 01:14:13

focus on matter and on self and the human subject and mee, mee,

01:14:13 --> 01:14:19

mee, and money, and the whole thing of it is really not not

01:14:19 --> 01:14:21

human, not humane.

01:14:22 --> 01:14:27

So we need to be withdrawing but still with others, and this is

01:14:27 --> 01:14:32

where the Naqshbandi speak of the Hollywood dot Angelman solitude in

01:14:32 --> 01:14:32

the crowd,

01:14:33 --> 01:14:39

which is a tricky one, really, because our nature is osmotic, to

01:14:39 --> 01:14:43

take on the disposition, the values, the lifestyle choices of

01:14:43 --> 01:14:47

the people that we hang out with. Not just the young people who feel

01:14:47 --> 01:14:49

the peer pressure, but we all do.

01:14:51 --> 01:14:55

And often the temptation is if you really feel different to feel kind

01:14:55 --> 01:14:59

of superior about that or develop certain psychic complexes which

01:14:59 --> 01:14:59

are not healthy either

01:15:00 --> 01:15:04

but to be distinct and different, but not to have a superiority

01:15:04 --> 01:15:09

complex, whatever that calls to be an aristocratic, an aristocratic

01:15:09 --> 01:15:13

the soul. That's not a healthy thing either. So to maintain a do

01:15:13 --> 01:15:14

humility,

01:15:15 --> 01:15:20

well, in the ground, can only take place when you retain the most

01:15:20 --> 01:15:24

fundamental of all religious ethical impulses, which is to be

01:15:24 --> 01:15:27

looking out for the needs of others, and to find things in

01:15:27 --> 01:15:31

other human beings that are lovable. This is what my sheiks

01:15:31 --> 01:15:36

always insisted on, that the sound believer, when looking at others,

01:15:36 --> 01:15:40

will always buy his fitrah. Look at whatever is most lovable in

01:15:40 --> 01:15:41

that person.

01:15:42 --> 01:15:46

And the sign of the sickness of the soul, is to see whatever is

01:15:46 --> 01:15:50

the floor in others. And this is an inflexible rule, that should be

01:15:50 --> 01:15:52

applied in every situation.

01:15:53 --> 01:15:56

Whether the person you're engaging with as a Muslim, or non Muslim,

01:15:56 --> 01:16:02

or you don't know, always look to your soul to see if your soul is

01:16:02 --> 01:16:04

reaching for and attracted by and impressed by whatever is most

01:16:04 --> 01:16:06

beautiful and good in that person.

01:16:08 --> 01:16:12

And this is an important skill, because it does give us a

01:16:12 --> 01:16:16

detachment whilst still being engaged. If you're taking from

01:16:16 --> 01:16:18

others, or you're looking to see what you can take from others,

01:16:19 --> 01:16:22

then you are as it were dependent upon them and you are part of that

01:16:22 --> 01:16:25

osmotic process of being sucked into the vortex. But if you're a

01:16:25 --> 01:16:29

person who is giving that gives you this, if you like, kind of

01:16:29 --> 01:16:33

Noblesse this noblesse oblige of the aristocratic the soul, and

01:16:33 --> 01:16:37

means that you're not dependent on them. And that requires a

01:16:37 --> 01:16:39

reinforcement, we saw small,

01:16:40 --> 01:16:43

seeking provisions, which can never be done on the surface, but

01:16:43 --> 01:16:47

the fish and nourishing stuff is down underneath the sea. And

01:16:47 --> 01:16:50

that's where you need to be. And this is what one sees

01:16:50 --> 01:16:56

consistently, you see that the true scholar is the one who, when

01:16:56 --> 01:16:59

a gathering is at an end, and people are talking about what

01:16:59 --> 01:17:01

people were saying and what they liked, and what they didn't like,

01:17:01 --> 01:17:04

the true scholar is the one who will always talk about and will

01:17:04 --> 01:17:07

encourage the conversation about the good things that happened in

01:17:07 --> 01:17:11

the session, and the good things that they learned about people and

01:17:11 --> 01:17:16

the inadequate Jalili environment, even if everybody has beard as

01:17:16 --> 01:17:20

long as their knees, knees and mismatched Miss wax going and

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whatever else the surface might be. If they're saying, well, he

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has this point in Aikido, which is problematic, and he looks really

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weird, whatever. That is the sign of the sickness, which is

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unfortunately, often the dominant mode of the Ummah, because of our

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insecurity, and our seasickness, as it were from being on the

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surface all the time, the ego predominates. And the judgmental

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Ness Amara comes to the surface. So this is one counsel that my

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teachers always had, which is to look at people with a selective

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eye to see what is best in them. And to have a kind of blind spot

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to their weaknesses, but not to the extent that you get taken in

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or fooled by people, because the believer is not bitten twice from

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the same hole, but still sort of not to prefer not to notice other

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people's faults, and to always find a good interpretation for

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that. And that is not just a moral platitude, but a way of finding

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this engaged detachment which is which is important.

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This is also linked to another principle, which is that there has

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to be justice in the world. But the sheiks and Abdulghani

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nebulosity and others make this explicit, justice is necessary

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where love fails. In other words, if that sort of natural fit three,

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desire of human beings to get on with each other, and to celebrate

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the mystery of being and to be friends, if that fails, because

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the ego, it's always the ego gets in the way of that, that's when

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justice is necessary. Justice is not necessarily everybody's

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looking out for each other. And there's a state of mutual love.

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That's the highest state. And this is where we find the Holy Prophet

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Allah slopeside, speaking about the to have the mutual love of the

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believers as being something that's beautiful to see.

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But still, there must be justice. So looking out for justice issues

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in the world is significant. But usually the healthiest way

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spiritually of engaging with that is to look to local things.

01:19:20 --> 01:19:25

Because it's better for the soul, to engage with people directly

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than to press a button on a screen that sends $100 to Burma or

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wherever, which is a kind of cold engagement really through this

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huge technological mega structure, which is in between you and the

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recipient and instead to deal with what that really meant at all. So

01:19:41 --> 01:19:44

Holy Prophet says ally, so to begin with your dependents,

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family, neighbors, and others, that is really where sadaqa

01:19:50 --> 01:19:54

begins, some charity does begin at home. And that also puts you in a

01:19:54 --> 01:19:59

state of not needing but being needed, which is

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is a necessary prerequisite for being in society without being

01:20:03 --> 01:20:08

overly swept away by by its currents. So be in a strong

01:20:08 --> 01:20:14

position, and don't be dependent. And the easiest way of ensuring

01:20:14 --> 01:20:18

that is to ensure that in your own environment in your own context,

01:20:19 --> 01:20:22

otherwise people, other people's rights over you are being

01:20:22 --> 01:20:27

satisfied. So these are some kind of rather random, obvious

01:20:27 --> 01:20:32

reflections on the let's face it difficult challenge which we have,

01:20:32 --> 01:20:35

we tend to say, why is the OMA such a mess? Well, the fact is,

01:20:35 --> 01:20:40

the world is in a mess. And the ALMA is trying that very nearly

01:20:40 --> 01:20:44

but not quite impossible task of retaining a fully sacred

01:20:44 --> 01:20:48

worldview, in the context of a planet that's kind of drunk with

01:20:48 --> 01:20:55

the excitement of, of, of matter and stuff. And the seven deadly

01:20:55 --> 01:20:59

sins, and whatever is going on the world is really in a bad state.

01:20:59 --> 01:21:01

And the armor of course,

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it's colliding with that. And the collision is producing casualties,

01:21:06 --> 01:21:10

and there are sparks flying and incomprehension on on the on both

01:21:10 --> 01:21:14

sides. So it's not too surprising that the armor is in its

01:21:14 --> 01:21:16

ramshackle state, but the key is,

01:21:17 --> 01:21:21

under the core is intact. If you're into the depths, Islam is

01:21:21 --> 01:21:25

really intact. metalhead is there, the doctrines are still there, the

01:21:25 --> 01:21:28

theology is still there. The practices are still there.

01:21:29 --> 01:21:32

Nobody's ever dare to tamper with the way you pray or the way you

01:21:32 --> 01:21:36

fast. You can have a million arguments over who saw the moon

01:21:36 --> 01:21:39

last night. But it doesn't really affect the reality of Ramadan,

01:21:40 --> 01:21:43

human ego gets as close as it can to interfering with people's

01:21:44 --> 01:21:47

sexuality. But Allah always protects those practices. And

01:21:47 --> 01:21:51

nobody's been able to subvert the basic and beautiful practices of

01:21:51 --> 01:21:55

religion, which are what we are hopefully, in Islam for anyway. So

01:21:55 --> 01:21:58

if we inhabit those depths, and we put the core of the religion where

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it belongs at the core of our lives, and repeat the surface of

01:22:02 --> 01:22:06

the things as being something two dimensional and passing part of

01:22:06 --> 01:22:10

the ebb and flow of the flux of space and time and separation

01:22:10 --> 01:22:14

distance from Allah, then we will in shall not be in a healthier

01:22:14 --> 01:22:18

state. And then our intuition will guide us to the nature of our

01:22:18 --> 01:22:23

engagement, the extent of our relationality to the enormous, an

01:22:23 --> 01:22:28

intimidating and quite cold and inhuman mega structures of today's

01:22:28 --> 01:22:32

world. There's no simple argument to Should I join the military?

01:22:33 --> 01:22:36

Should I become a politician? Should I get into local

01:22:36 --> 01:22:40

government? Should I run a hotel? Should I be in etc. There's

01:22:40 --> 01:22:43

questions everywhere, because you're going to deal with a whole

01:22:43 --> 01:22:48

range of often inflict terms unprecedented new questions and

01:22:48 --> 01:22:51

complex social situation. There's no simple single factor on any of

01:22:51 --> 01:22:54

those issues. But you do need to have this basic disposition of the

01:22:54 --> 01:22:57

soul, which is the soul is oriented towards that pillar,

01:22:58 --> 01:23:02

which means the depths the ancient, dark mystery, the

01:23:02 --> 01:23:04

Abrahamic beauty of God's

01:23:05 --> 01:23:09

unchanging ability. If that's the center of your life, that pillar

01:23:09 --> 01:23:13

is the center of your life, then you will be able to engage with

01:23:13 --> 01:23:16

those spaces insha Allah with some degree of protection with some

01:23:16 --> 01:23:21

sort of HEFCE from the craziness and polluted gases, which humanity

01:23:21 --> 01:23:25

unfortunately has generated for itself as a result of our

01:23:25 --> 01:23:29

excessive greed and our forgetfulness. So that's the end

01:23:29 --> 01:23:33

of the homily. Haven't occupied the whole two hours but and I

01:23:34 --> 01:23:37

think my blood sugar level is running down a bit. Get some of

01:23:37 --> 01:23:40

those nice biscuits, so came late as usual.

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