Abdal Hakim Murad – Imam Malik Paradigms of Leadership

Abdal Hakim Murad
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The speakers discuss the history and cultural context of Islam, including the shift from ambiguity to clarity, diversity of cultural practices, and the importance of finding the right way to pray. They also touch on shrouds of human emotions, including the "outiderity of human civilizations" concept, and the controversy surrounding a former spiritual figure. The discussion also touches on the influence of Islam on modern Islamic culture, including Moore's Law and the Sun statement, the use of translation and sound in writing, and the return of a former spiritual figure.

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			Smilla hamdulillah salat wa salam
ala Rasulillah. But early he was
		
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			Safi or Manuela.
		
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			So this will be the second in our
series of
		
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			leadership figures. He'll recall
that last time I was drawing a
		
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			large red question mark after the
whole concept of leadership in
		
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			Islam, taking my cue from the well
known,
		
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			or at least it should be well
known prophetic Hadith, that one
		
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			should not seek Imara or positions
of power or authority.
		
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			And this
		
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			prophetic guidance, which is
repeated in a number of
		
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			circumstances, has, I think,
historically shaped the mindset of
		
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			the more morally conscious members
of the ummah.
		
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			inscribing a second question mark
after the idea of
		
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			Islamic leadership programs, as
these are frequently touted, in
		
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			perhaps slightly westernized or
confused or syncretic, modern
		
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			Muslim environments, and we looked
at this a little bit, leadership
		
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			programs and all kinds of
buzzwords described on flip
		
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			charts, as though being a
religious leader were in some
		
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			sense, however, remote analogous
to being a
		
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			captain of industry, or a
politician. And we saw that
		
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			actually, this is not the
prophetic paradigm.
		
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			As the Hadith goes on to say,
		
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			if you seek leadership, and a
given it, leadership will be given
		
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			authority over you will become
your leader, that if you are given
		
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			it without seeking it, God will
help you.
		
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			It's actually very clear in our
tradition, and throughout our
		
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			moral reflection, that be
ambitious, in that sense, is
		
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			extremely problematic. One doesn't
have to turn many pages of the
		
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			texts of
		
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			Muslim heroism. We saw Imam Shama
last time that is real reluctance
		
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			but the fact that he had to engage
in the defense of his people.
		
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			Remember, the great Quranic verse
fighting is prescribed for you,
		
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			well, who are Corporal Lacan, we
don't like it.
		
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			This is not our conventional image
of what it is to be a military
		
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			hero, stand up to the crease, wave
the flag, wave the sword, and it's
		
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			not an ego trip that is disliked
thing.
		
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			Reluctant responsibility, all the
pages of the text of Islamic law
		
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			where you see how zealous the
early Muslims were to avoid
		
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			positions of fatwah positions of
judgeship. Terrifying.
		
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			So we began by suggesting that the
title of this series of lectures
		
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			might actually be wrong or
contradictory. But nonetheless,
		
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			given that we have people who
		
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			have been leaders, in other words,
they have had people whom they
		
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			lead, objectively speaking, we
can, I think,
		
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			proceed. But with this caveat, the
difference between profane and
		
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			sacred leadership is the
difference between Pharaoh and
		
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			Moses. The one is zealous for
power and lives for power and
		
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			thinks of nothing else and fears
nothing other than losing it.
		
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			Whereas the one who is spiritually
powerful really is kind of
		
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			reluctant, he doesn't want to go
to fit around, he wants somebody
		
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			to support him, he is diffident,
throughout and yet he is the one
		
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			who has to remember as as as the
leader, this turns the usual
		
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			secular and certainly the 21st
century logic on its head, we need
		
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			to remember this throughout. So in
this series, I will be looking at
		
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			different facets of this complex
phenomenon.
		
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			Noting, of course, that ours is
not a religion of
		
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			anchorites hermits, except under
certain very specific
		
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			circumstances, and particularly at
the end of time,
		
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			where we are authorized and even
prophetically enjoined to step
		
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			back, because the situation seems
hopeless, the collapse of
		
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			everything. Who are we as mere
mortals to stand against the Torah
		
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			by Magna the great turbulence at
the end of time where everything
		
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			is inverted, and this is part of
the manifestation of the divine
		
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			July in the end times. So yes,
that's when you find your shoe.
		
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			We head for the hills. This is
prophetically mandated.
		
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			And conversely, those who jump up
and seek leadership under those
		
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			conditions are likely to be
		
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			much closer to the Pharaonic than
to the mosaic type.
		
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			But generally, we are not people
who step back from responsibility.
		
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			We're the people who go to God
through the world rather than
		
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			trying to skirt it or avoid it.
When this is the case, in family
		
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			life,
		
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			we are not celibate. Instead, we
go to God through assuming the
		
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			normal responsibilities of our
created humanity. Other
		
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			traditions, notably Christianity,
and Buddhism, say no you, if you
		
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			wish to be part of the spiritual
elite, you do step out of that as
		
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			well. And you step out of the
positions of authority, and you
		
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			don't engage in warfare, those are
two pacifist, as well as celibate
		
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			traditions. But our ethos is
different.
		
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			Our ethos is about embracing the
world, understanding it as an
		
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			avert of tribulation, but an abode
in which righteousness is possible
		
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			in the world. And perhaps despite
the world, but through it. This is
		
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			very characteristic of the Islamic
ethos of Judaism in many respects,
		
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			is quite akin to it in forms of
Hinduism with Chatelier. warrior
		
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			caste.
		
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			Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita is a
great example of a leader, I
		
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			guess, one of history's earliest
instances of that.
		
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			So we have this odd place of
starting, where on the one hand,
		
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			we really are cagey about this
idea of wanting to be a leader.
		
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			But on the other hand, our view of
human responsibility and ethical
		
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			agency in the world generally
mandating involvement rather than
		
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			disengagement. So we try and
balance those two things, and
		
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			that, that the nature of that
balance really defines those very
		
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			multiple diverse, discrepant
individuals who will be very
		
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			briefly looking at in this series.
		
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			So we began perhaps, obviously
with the very primordial type of
		
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			the sacred warrior. We looked at
Imam Shanel last time.
		
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			And we drew the obvious comparison
between his ethically constrained
		
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			and dissident and unwilling but
militarily brilliant leadership of
		
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			his people, as they faced
annihilation at the hands of
		
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			Orthodox ethnic cleansers then
contrasted that with pomp and
		
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			circumstance of the Tsar, with his
Winter Palace, and his servile
		
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			nation. And we saw that as a kind
of Latter Day instantiation face
		
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			off this time, this dichotomy.
		
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			So the militant is an obvious
form, perhaps the most obvious
		
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			form, the primordial human society
looks to the leader as somebody
		
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			who will be a leader in war, not
just the tribe, in that Australian
		
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			outback. But
		
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			Churchill in the 1940s, or
whatever it might be the ultimate
		
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			responsibility for the leader is
to be someone who bears the sword.
		
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			But there are many other forms of
this and one form which I wish to
		
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			address today, because it's very
characteristically Islamic is the
		
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			scholarly and juridical form.
		
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			So partly as a concomitant of our
insistence that
		
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			human righteousness is achieved
through going through the world
		
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			with its veils of tears, and its
shadows and its challenges and its
		
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			moral possibilities is that we
have an idea of human life,
		
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			personal life and collective life
as potentially open to
		
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			sanctification.
		
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			And here again, we seem to diverge
from the Christian and the
		
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			Buddhist traditions which have not
evolved complex
		
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			apparatuses of secret law.
		
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			In fact, they have at times canon
law, and aspect of Buddhist law,
		
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			but they're not really the center
of what the priest or the sage is
		
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			teaching
		
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			in Islamic civilization, because
we get to God through the world,
		
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			rather than by trying to age
anxiously around it.
		
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			we necessarily have the idea that
there is a path to step through
		
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			the world, which is a holy path,
and which actually provides us
		
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			with a way of being transformed
despite the manifest imperfections
		
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			of
		
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			In the world and human
collectivities with which we
		
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			engage. That's essential to
Islam's moral and human vision.
		
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			That's the anthropology of Islam.
		
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			One of the great poets said, walk
down a little jewel Belka. Theva
		
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			is savory unhurt what I am the
federal ban naughty you've heard
		
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			me say reefy her.
		
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			Cut the thick veils by avoiding
them and cut this the subtle veils
		
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			by going through them. By thick
veils, he means mortal sins. You
		
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			deal with the temptation to theft
by avoiding it.
		
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			But the subtle veils the world,
running a business, having a
		
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			family being the mayor of a town
these things which are part of our
		
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			normal civic membership of Benny
Adam, you deal with them, not by
		
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			avoiding them, but by going
through them. They're veils
		
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			nonetheless, and they really
distracting. And they have many
		
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			pitfalls, but we go through them
and this is kind of Islamic
		
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			commandment we we go through those
veils rather than simply sidestep
		
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			them. So this idea of the world as
something that we experience as
		
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			full of human imperfections. Most
of our conversation is taken up
		
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			with criticisms of people and what
they've done, whether it be the
		
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			Cambridge City Council, canceling
a bus route, or whether it be
		
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			Trump's latest argument with a
journalist or whatever it is, most
		
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			of what concerns us is the
manifest imperfection and
		
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			difficulty of other human beings.
Sometimes we might talk about the
		
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			weather, but mostly it's other
human beings. The human realm is
		
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			by far the most interesting
		
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			realm of the created order, but
it's also the most troubling, we
		
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			get hurt more by human beings and
we get hurt by
		
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			other things in creation. By and
large, sometimes we might get
		
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			bitten by a dog, we might catch
cold, or you might even drown at
		
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			sea, but generally that which
routes which is most deeply into
		
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			our heart is the the wounds caused
by the daggers of an unsympathetic
		
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			on uncomprehending humanity. This
is our weakness, that's our
		
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			Achilles heel each other.
		
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			So,
		
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			to deal with this to allow us to
create a path through this
		
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			minefield
		
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			revelation envisages the
possibility of smoothing that
		
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			path, and keeping those human many
human dangers at bay. The shittier
		
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			sometimes deals with
		
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			animals and floods, but its main
concern is with human animals and
		
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			human floods.
		
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			And that's why the word Shetty and
means way means path you get
		
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			through this world is not an end
in itself. Those people are God
		
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			forgives them who say the purpose
of Islam is to establish the
		
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			Sharia
		
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			that's never narrated from any
jurist of the past. That's that's
		
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			mistaking the means for the end.
Purpose of Islam is to bring us to
		
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			paradise to bring us to God to
sort out our souls. Albin Salim,
		
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			the Sharia is a means to that end,
without boundaries. Without this
		
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			smooth path, we're going to be
victims of human predators of a
		
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			million different kinds. So we
have this in our civilization.
		
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			view that the function of law,
legality, jurisprudence, all of
		
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			these really dry things, is
actually to facilitate salvation.
		
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			They are an ethical exercise.
They're not just utilitarian
		
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			expressions of some kind of
calculus about public interest.
		
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			They can be redolent with
holiness.
		
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			This is strange, sometimes for the
Western mind to understand.
		
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			They think that the public sphere
should be regulated by matters of
		
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			public user fructan kind of
utilitarian calculus, however hard
		
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			in practice, that is to bring
about free speech versus the right
		
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			to be protected from abuse and
everything is kind of a
		
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			compromise.
		
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			But from the point of view of
Socratic putty and the Islamic
		
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			take on human responsibility,
we've raised everything to a much
		
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			more interesting level. It's not
just a kind of social science that
		
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			could theoretically ultimately be
quantified. If you knew all of the
		
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			human variables, you could
actually quantify somebody's
		
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			utility mapped out against
somebody
		
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			else's kind of computer could be a
lawyer on that basis. But in our
		
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			vision, though it is a fundamental
one of the most fundamental human
		
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			moral tasks.
		
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			Because this is about creating a
society that is godly, and
		
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			therefore, in its structures
satisfies humanity's more profound
		
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			needs.
		
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			It's not just that you have the
right to be protected from being
		
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			swindled online, nor has to do
that.
		
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			But it's also about being shaped
in a way that provides you with a
		
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			personal and societal and a family
environment. That that feeds you
		
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			spiritually, the different kinds
of exercise and so the jurist in
		
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			Islam. The fucky,
		
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			literally is the one who
understands.
		
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			And part of the animal finales
project was to remind us, the
		
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			jurist really has to understand
not just juggling different delis
		
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			of Quran and Hadith and competing
with rivals, which was the state
		
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			jurisprudence had reached in his
time, but rather,
		
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			to see that this is a secret
science, it is an art, which
		
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			because human perfecting, and
perfectibility is something really
		
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			beautiful moral beauty even more
amazing than physical beauty, that
		
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			it is an aesthetic exercise of the
highest order. So part of as Ali's
		
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			uptake on or solo therapy is that
it's an aesthetic exercise to do
		
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			with the SN. Doing what's
beautiful.
		
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			So, we have this and then at the
same time, and part of the reason
		
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			why we will classify this as art
rather than science. It's a
		
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			humanistic exercise in the real
sense of humanism. It's for many
		
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			Adam, not just for kind of mortal
primate, it's for many Adam,
		
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			is that this tradition that we
have, is really multiple.
		
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			And this, again, offends a lot of
people nowadays, including
		
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			Muslims. And it's important to
grasp this when we look at the
		
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			leader paradigms in our history,
who have been jurists.
		
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			Very often,
		
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			under normal circumstances, where
people are looking for what is
		
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			right,
		
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			and are anxious about ongoing
multiplicity, we tend to revere
		
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			moral thinkers or jurists whose
legacy seems to be a concordance
		
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			one, or one that makes the law
kind of unified. After all, that
		
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			we want to know what Islam says,
about a given thing. What does
		
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			Islam say about abortion? What
does Islam say about prayer in the
		
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			space station when we need
answers? That's a legitimate need.
		
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			People look to religion for
guidance.
		
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			Similarly, Western historians of
Islamic law have tended to proceed
		
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			on the Enlightenment assumption
that it is moving towards some
		
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			kind of answer or
		
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			body of statutes that the entire
history of Islamic law can be
		
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			understood, essentially, through
cover Western optic as a moving
		
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			towards some kind of agreement on
what is moral and how society
		
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			should be regulated, because
that's taken to be what Western
		
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			jurists have always looked for.
They want to know what's right.
		
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			And that particularly the backdrop
of transformations in European
		
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			law, between the Renaissance and
the Enlightenment took place
		
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			partly against a kind of
scientific background. After all,
		
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			scientists want to know what's
right.
		
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			Science doesn't really like
ambiguity. Unless you're a quantum
		
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			mechanics expert, perhaps in which
case you're stuck with it floating
		
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			as Cat. But basically, scientists
want to know what's right, what is
		
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			the correct chemical formula for
potassium, there can only be one
		
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			way of denoting it, and only one
way in which it reacts with other
		
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			elements and produces compounds.
The same with physics laws of
		
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			thermodynamics, science is
totalizing in a certain way,
		
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			because the physical world
		
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			philosophers are still a bit
staggered by this the physical
		
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			world is characterized by certain
constants, which are remarkably
		
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			consistent and uniform. So to the
extent that science has been the
		
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			governing paradigm of Western
civilization is often pushed
		
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			social sciences and things like
law and jurisprudence in the same
		
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			kind of direction. We want to know
what's right
		
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			in the
		
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			ticularly the continental legal
traditions in England we have more
		
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			of a, quite a medieval legacy, in
many ways, case law and
		
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			kinds of accumulating things in
the common law. It's much messier,
		
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			and some would say, closer and
more intuitive to the actual
		
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			reality of what goes on in the
courts rather than being handed
		
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			down, like the cordon Apollyon.
From some kind of philosophical
		
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			set of suppose, certainties.
There's
		
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			different ways of doing
jurisprudence in the western
		
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			context. But nonetheless, the
tendency generally is for people
		
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			to want to know what's right.
		
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			Now, in the religious context,
people also, as I've said, really
		
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			want to know what's right.
		
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			What's the right way to pray? Is
it right for me to
		
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			repeat my prayer?
		
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			If I've prayed for rockers for
Maghrib or not, or can it make up
		
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			the extra rocker and what's right?
		
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			Isn't a zero sum game? You can't?
How could you possibly have saved
		
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			both right? It's like, you can't
be pregnant or not pregnant at the
		
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			same time. It's either or. It's
not the kind of whoever whatever
		
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			the modern tendency, particularly
amongst Muslims, who have been
		
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			stung by enlightenment,
triumphalism, and whose
		
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			understanding of their religious
identity has been shaped and
		
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			reshaped by desire to react
against the implicit or explicit
		
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			critique leveled against their
civilization by the West, has been
		
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			to try and turn Islamic law, also
into something unified and simple
		
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			and comprised of certain statutes
that do try to be right.
		
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			This, however, is a profound
revision and a strangeness in our
		
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			civilization. And one of my
favorite books,
		
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			published in 2011, quite recent,
but already thrown the cat among
		
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			the pigeons is by Thomas Bower,
the culture of ambiguity.
		
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			It's a German historian. And he
looks at the classical texts of
		
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			the soul and the classical texts
will fit in the classical text of
		
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			doctrine and all of those
classical texts. And then he looks
		
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			at modern equivalents.
		
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			And he finds that there's not just
different answers a lot of the
		
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			time but also different reasons
for finding those answers.
		
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			Obviously, jurisprudence is not
carried out on some kind of
		
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			vacuum. The jurists have the
culture, their preferences, their
		
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			agenda, their mock acid, they're
human beings are embedded.
		
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			What jurists in the Muslim world
are finding now, what activists
		
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			and headbangers, loudmouth,
various kinds of particularly
		
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			finding is certainty. For the
first time, they want uniformity.
		
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			So the point of his book really is
that sometime in the 19th century,
		
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			Muslim jurists, Muslim theologians
stopped being happy with
		
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			multiplicity and started to be
unhappy with it.
		
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			So pre modern Islam, he says, was
ambiguity friendly.
		
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			Whereas modern Islam is generally
hostile to ambiguity. We don't
		
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			like it, it makes us
uncomfortable, partly because of
		
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			the desire to know what Islam says
when modernity is criticizing it,
		
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			we want answers, rather than to
say, Well, according to Abu
		
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			Hanifa, and according to Chef A
and the traditional response, and
		
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			also because of the general
ideological assumption in much
		
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			modernist or
		
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			modernizing discourse, whether
acknowledged or not, that there's
		
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			a kind of scientific basis for
these things, and that there must
		
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			be something right. So there's
ambiguity tolerant Islam, which
		
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			gives way under the impact of
modernity to ambiguity, intolerant
		
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			Islam.
		
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			And he dates this, as I've said,
to the 19th century, give lots of
		
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			examples.
		
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			A lot of book is basically
examples of this transformation,
		
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			how modern Islam, whether
reformist stroke, liberal Islam,
		
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			or
		
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			fundamentalist Islam, they're both
subject to this. This isn't just
		
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			the shift to Salafi This is most
modern discourse, as he sees it
		
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			is
		
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			illustrated with a huge range of
decisions. So he looks for
		
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			instance of the great 15th century
or an expert the expert on the
		
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			variant readings of the Quran that
adds
		
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			just very
		
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			real monument of physiological and
forensic textual genius. Nowadays,
		
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			you think he must be a German
professor because there's just
		
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			nothing is the book is staggering.
Now one of our great
		
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			monuments. And he points out that
throughout Ibn jaziri is very
		
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			happy with the idea that there can
be different texts of the Quran,
		
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			different readings.
		
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			Maliki omitting or Maliki
omitting. You just document it, it
		
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			doesn't matter. And then he looks
a lot of modern writers, including
		
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			the former Saudi mufti, even off a
mean, who really, really, really
		
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			wanted to abolish them and say
there's only one correct reading
		
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			of the Quran that he sees is
symptomatic of what's happening in
		
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			modern Islam the desire for an
answer.
		
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			Similarly, he looks at
		
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			issues of folk,
		
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			historically, enormously diverse,
inevitably inexorably diverse, and
		
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			points out how modern writers
simply cannot abide to this
		
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			because of the insistence on a
single way of reading the text. So
		
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			he looks at my work, it was a bit
earlier because it's 11th century.
		
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			And my world either great chef or
a jurist, great commentator on the
		
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			man who says,
		
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			The Art of Tafseer of interpreting
God's book is to explore all of
		
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			the different defensible
interpretations.
		
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			Maybe he'll give you a sense of
what is his preference. But it's
		
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			certainly not the purpose of the
Muslim read of the Quran to
		
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			determine what the text definitely
says. Occasionally, there's
		
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			unambiguous, no source, but
generally, there's a multiplicity
		
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			of interpretation from the
earliest period. And then he
		
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			contrasts it with modern
commentaries on the Quran, which
		
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			seek typically to demonstrate the
right reading. And again, he looks
		
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			at Ibn or thymine and his
insistence that there's only one
		
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			correct meaning of every verses of
Quran.
		
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			And he proceeds for hundreds of
pages, making his case pretty
		
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			decisively. Islam has changed, he
says, from being an ambiguity
		
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			tolerant to an ambiguity,
intolerant to tradition.
		
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			And from then, of course, it's
just a short step to the modern
		
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			Muslim debate as to why everything
is such a mess.
		
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			The answer is quite simple. Muslim
societies are really diverse.
		
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			different sects, different
orientations, rationalists,
		
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			mystics, literalist, religious
people, not so religious people,
		
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			men, women, different languages,
every Muslim country, by and large
		
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			is really plural.
		
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			That works with classical Islamic
law, which is this ambiguity
		
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			tolerant thing in which almost
every decision is kind of a
		
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			working conclusion.
		
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			But if you try to impose a kind of
modernist Islam on that, then
		
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			immediately you have detonation,
because most people can't accept
		
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			it and can't recognize themselves
in this form of Islam that is
		
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			being imposed on them. So it looks
like a
		
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			very abstract text. But actually,
it has very significant
		
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			repercussions.
		
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			What he doesn't pick up, perhaps
quite so evidently, is the fact
		
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			that the traditional paradigm is
still alive amongst the
		
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			traditional all on that, who
regarded as part of civilized
		
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			religious scholarship to enjoy the
plurality of conclusions and to
		
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			respect that diversity. But the
modern mind, whether liberalizing,
		
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			or near Morteza, light, or
feminist commentators on the
		
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			Quran, or fundamentalist code,
they will want to find the one
		
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			correct view and to lambaste those
who disagree with them. And this
		
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			clearly is something that the
traditional scholars will also be
		
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			noticing, and are noticing with
perplexity.
		
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			So this is one of the interesting
dimensions of our tradition, we
		
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			have this strong reverence for
those who seek to rectify human
		
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			beings individually and
collectively by studying legal
		
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			boundaries. And on the other hand,
very consistently in Sunni Islam
		
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			in particular, she Islam often has
this idea of the Imam of the age
		
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			knows the correct view, but Sunni
Islam is this kind of this
		
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			conceptual thing.
		
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			It's something that is really not
sufficiently understood. A lot of
		
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			modern Muslims get kind of fidgety
when they're told that Islam is a
		
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			tradition of ambiguity and
multiplicity. Just read the
		
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			classical text and you'll, you'll
see it
		
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			my friend, yeah, he and B. Shaw,
who is a Hartford Seminary in
		
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			American is one of the experts on
Ibn Taymiyyah
		
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			real expert translates he says Ibn
Taymiyyah addict who just can't
		
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			get to sleep at night. Mrs.
Translated something from Ibn
		
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			Taymiyyah says the best way of
dealing with Islamic radicalism is
		
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			to teach
		
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			prisoners classical Arabic, and to
have all of the works of Ibn
		
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			Taymiyyah in the prison library,
so that in all of those boring
		
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			hours, they actually get to read
the thing. And they see the
		
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			diversity of it even even
Taymiyah, who can be quite
		
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			abrasive. Actually see what he
says about theologians. And what
		
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			he says about mystics, you see his
part of a culture of ambiguity.
		
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			That's the solution. The problem
is not knowing and assuming that
		
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			Islamic law is something like
Western law, and the journalists
		
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			do it. Islamic law is being
introduced in northern Nigeria.
		
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			Well, that means nothing to a
traditional jurist. Which madhhab
		
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			which interpretation of the
madhhab who's doing it? What do
		
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			they mean, is it customary law?
But for journalists, of course, we
		
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			know what Islamic law is don't we
will strict Islamic law sometimes
		
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			and Muslim gets shaky because it
looks like it's a disaster. And we
		
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			are trapped in that false
dichotomy. But we have nothing,
		
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			nothing, nothing to do with that.
So
		
00:31:02 --> 00:31:07
			bowels work is worth perusing. And
another book that I like is
		
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			even more
		
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			recent, by Conrad here Shala,
published here in Cambridge, which
		
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			is basically a study of the first
comprehensive library catalog that
		
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			we have of a classical Sharia
madrasa in the Middle East. And
		
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			it's another extra fear in
Damascus.
		
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			And it represents the books that
the scholars thought should be in
		
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			circulation. And it's enormously
diverse when compared to say, to a
		
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			monastery library in Europe at the
time. Firstly, it's about 10 times
		
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			bigger. But it's got everything
from Plato to the views of sects
		
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			to Ismaili books to you name it
different motherhood.
		
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			The scholarly tradition was part
of a law revoke world that was
		
00:31:53 --> 00:31:57
			interested in multiplicity. So he
writes, this tolerance made it
		
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			possible to accept opposing
systems of values and norms,
		
00:32:01 --> 00:32:04
			without necessarily insisting on
the exclusive truth of one's own
		
00:32:04 --> 00:32:05
			system.
		
00:32:06 --> 00:32:09
			intellectual life in these
societies was less characterized
		
00:32:09 --> 00:32:13
			by the quest for the one and only
truth, but rather by searching for
		
00:32:13 --> 00:32:18
			probable and likely answers.
That's classical Islam. Sounds a
		
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			bit like a modern university in a
certain way, although it is it is
		
00:32:22 --> 00:32:27
			different. There is the presence
of the Divine and Revelation and
		
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			you have material to work with you
have
		
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			a sea floor on which to fix your
anchor. But it's certainly not the
		
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			kind of ideological
		
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			take on Islam that is increasingly
provided. And again, not just by
		
00:32:43 --> 00:32:46
			saying Islamic University of
Medina, which tells you there's
		
00:32:46 --> 00:32:49
			just one view, there's a correct
view and this hadith the sound of
		
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			this is looking for the wellhead,
the one truth, but also
		
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			increasingly in much of the
curriculum of regime directed
		
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			Islamic universities elsewhere in
the Muslim world.
		
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			Where the regime wants people to
reach a particular view on
		
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			politics or democracy or gender or
whatever it isn't. Everything is
		
00:33:10 --> 00:33:15
			being defined as the true Islamic
view from the Minister of
		
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			Religious Affairs or some general
so that subversion is very
		
00:33:20 --> 00:33:20
			widespread.
		
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			Unfortunately, because you could
say, in an age of multiple
		
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			challenges, such as our own
Islamic law needs all of this
		
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			wriggle room, and we need to have
the capacity to respect this
		
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			plurality. And not to feel
uncertain when we're told that
		
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			Islam is still working on
questions that have been posed for
		
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			more than 1000 years. So
		
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			what we find when we look at these
leaders of jurisprudence is a
		
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			remarkable balance between the one
hand and absolutely austere,
		
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			uncompromising rectitude. These
are kind of the monastic figures,
		
00:34:06 --> 00:34:10
			ascetics, the foregrip, jurists of
early Islamic, ascetic figures.
		
00:34:11 --> 00:34:16
			You can imagine their personal
gravamen and seriousness if you're
		
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			with Mohammed bin Hanbal, who kind
of just the presence of the man
		
00:34:20 --> 00:34:21
			would have been overwhelming.
		
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			People for whom God is the master
signifier of everything and the
		
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			next world, or the life in the
grave are whatever thing is
		
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			tending towards, but at the same
time, they're the ones who
		
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			recognize this plurality, and
actively promoted
		
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			what the Maliki is called RE
AYATUL fina, if
		
00:34:45 --> 00:34:49
			not just acknowledging that
there's differences of opinions,
		
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			but preserving it is an important
principle in the Maliki method,
		
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			but generally I still feel F.
Don't lose it. Make sure that the
		
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			multiplicity is still there
because this is part
		
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			of what God has intended in the
great Maliki jurist a shelter be
		
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			famously explains that if Allah
subhanaw taala had wished the
		
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			Sharia to be just a single set of
statutes, the revelation would
		
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			have looked very different.
		
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			So much in the Quran is hard to
figure out
		
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			difficult words. Some words in the
Quran, are acknowledged to be of
		
00:35:22 --> 00:35:27
			basically mysterious significance.
There's words in the Quran that do
		
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			not appear anywhere else in the
Arabic language, which is an
		
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			anguish with a big literature.
		
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			Why use that word rather than one
that people could understand?
		
00:35:38 --> 00:35:42
			Good question. The juristic
consensus of pre 19 century of
		
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			Islam was as sharp to be said, so
that there could be divergence.
		
00:35:47 --> 00:35:49
			So there could be this
multiplicity.
		
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			Which nowadays, what does the word
mean? We tend to do things with
		
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			translation of these things. One
reason for the untranslated
		
00:35:59 --> 00:36:02
			ability of the Quran is that you
have to come down on the side of a
		
00:36:02 --> 00:36:07
			particular belief as to what a
particular verse means. You can't
		
00:36:07 --> 00:36:09
			maintain the ambiguity in a
translation unless you're some
		
00:36:09 --> 00:36:14
			kind of translation, super genius.
That translation is not the
		
00:36:14 --> 00:36:18
			original partly because it can't
conserve the ambiguities of the
		
00:36:18 --> 00:36:21
			original text. But the Quran
itself says there's a very
		
00:36:21 --> 00:36:24
			interesting thing to find in a
world scripture where it talks
		
00:36:24 --> 00:36:28
			about itself. The self awareness
of the Quran is always quite
		
00:36:28 --> 00:36:32
			exceptional Surah Al Imran verse
seven, how will the bIllahi min
		
00:36:32 --> 00:36:36
			ash shaytani R rajim Bismillahi
Rahmani Raheem? Who will lead the
		
00:36:36 --> 00:36:41
			unzila Alico Kitab Amin who are
yet to knock him out on him not
		
00:36:41 --> 00:36:44
			all keytab were oclaro Moto share
Behat
		
00:36:46 --> 00:36:51
			he is the one who has sent down
upon you singular, the book in
		
00:36:51 --> 00:36:56
			which are clear versus they are
the mother of the book. And others
		
00:36:56 --> 00:36:58
			are more to Share Bear.
		
00:36:59 --> 00:37:02
			Even translating that is a
headache for translators. But
		
00:37:03 --> 00:37:09
			ambiguity is one possible
interpretation for this. So in the
		
00:37:09 --> 00:37:13
			Quran, we have necessarily the
beginnings of a religion of
		
00:37:13 --> 00:37:19
			diversity, a culture of ambiguity,
the text seems to impose that the
		
00:37:19 --> 00:37:20
			Hadith even more so.
		
00:37:22 --> 00:37:27
			Or the only religion with an
absolutely gigantic and oceanic
		
00:37:27 --> 00:37:32
			scriptural basis, maybe a million
different Hadith reports. It's
		
00:37:32 --> 00:37:35
			said to be the pre modern world
largest single body of literature.
		
00:37:36 --> 00:37:40
			And it's revelation of different
degrees, where there's the site,
		
00:37:41 --> 00:37:46
			and the knife, and the more sun,
and the moon cotta, and the Hassan
		
00:37:46 --> 00:37:50
			and arriba, and dozens of other
categories simply on the basis of
		
00:37:50 --> 00:37:57
			the soundness or dubiousness of
attribution. That's before you get
		
00:37:57 --> 00:38:00
			into the question of what it
actually means, what the context
		
00:38:00 --> 00:38:03
			might have mean, whether it's
bound by context, or whether it's
		
00:38:03 --> 00:38:07
			a general view, or what the Sahaba
might have made of those Hadith,
		
00:38:07 --> 00:38:10
			or whether there's a consensus on
the meaning of those Hadith. It's
		
00:38:10 --> 00:38:14
			an enormous Cornucopia that has
been preserved for us because of
		
00:38:14 --> 00:38:16
			the love that the first
generations had of the Holy
		
00:38:16 --> 00:38:19
			Prophet. And the determination
that not one of those pearls
		
00:38:19 --> 00:38:20
			should ever be lost. We have this
		
00:38:21 --> 00:38:23
			mountain of Hadith.
		
00:38:25 --> 00:38:29
			You can't construct a
fundamentalism on the basis of a
		
00:38:29 --> 00:38:35
			scripture like that. Can't do it
cannot do fundamentalism in Islam,
		
00:38:35 --> 00:38:40
			because it's just too enormous. To
diverse, there's too much of it.
		
00:38:40 --> 00:38:45
			And it's never even been combined
in a single collection, a single
		
00:38:45 --> 00:38:48
			Scripture, the Quran, the time
said, Not off man subsequently was
		
00:38:48 --> 00:38:54
			the most half which we have today.
The hadith fits in hundreds of
		
00:38:54 --> 00:38:57
			collections, remember, so Yachty,
tried, died before he could finish
		
00:38:57 --> 00:39:01
			it. Others try there's just too
much too big, and arguments as to
		
00:39:01 --> 00:39:04
			whether something is from the
sahabi, or from the Holy Prophet,
		
00:39:04 --> 00:39:08
			or whether the sabe think, is
considered Hadith and it can't be
		
00:39:08 --> 00:39:09
			done.
		
00:39:10 --> 00:39:14
			So you can't have fundamentalism
in the Islamic context in the
		
00:39:14 --> 00:39:16
			sense of the simple, literal
understanding of what the
		
00:39:16 --> 00:39:19
			Revelation says there's too much
of it. It's too diverse. It's not
		
00:39:19 --> 00:39:24
			intended to be that. So all the
jurists of Islam are legal
		
00:39:24 --> 00:39:29
			leaders, have seen that as a kind
of obvious first order truth. It
		
00:39:29 --> 00:39:34
			is not the divine intention, that
Islam is the simple formula.
		
00:39:34 --> 00:39:37
			Doctrine is this, and this is how
we do that. And this is always
		
00:39:37 --> 00:39:40
			heard divorce has to happen. And
this is always how you have to
		
00:39:40 --> 00:39:42
			rule a country. It's multiple.
		
00:39:43 --> 00:39:48
			It's endlessly multiple. And this
is part of the greatness of it. So
		
00:39:49 --> 00:39:55
			if you look at the text of all
sort of where it classifies
		
00:39:55 --> 00:39:58
			scriptural statements, you get
		
00:39:59 --> 00:39:59
			chapter heading
		
00:40:00 --> 00:40:04
			was like this the unequivocal the
Perspicuous unclear words obscure
		
00:40:04 --> 00:40:08
			difficult ambivalent, general
specific, absolute qualified,
		
00:40:08 --> 00:40:09
			literal metaphorical homonyms.
		
00:40:11 --> 00:40:15
			That's just for the Quran for the
Hadith, even more so.
		
00:40:16 --> 00:40:17
			So
		
00:40:18 --> 00:40:22
			this is kind of the Muslim
response to ballasts historians
		
00:40:22 --> 00:40:26
			observation, which is that not
only is it a reality that pre
		
00:40:26 --> 00:40:30
			modern Islamic law and to a
considerable extent doctrine, and
		
00:40:30 --> 00:40:32
			certainly mysticism is endlessly
multiple.
		
00:40:33 --> 00:40:37
			But this is actually intended by
the revealer of the Scripture.
		
00:40:39 --> 00:40:43
			Otherwise, why is it so hard to
understand so much.
		
00:40:44 --> 00:40:48
			Some of it, despite all of the
current rhetoric about Kitab, or
		
00:40:48 --> 00:40:52
			sunnah, has not even been properly
edited in a critical way.
		
00:40:55 --> 00:40:57
			I was involved with the project to
edit
		
00:40:58 --> 00:41:00
			that must not have asthma had been
humble.
		
00:41:02 --> 00:41:06
			And we found over 100 Hadith that
weren't included, weren't included
		
00:41:06 --> 00:41:10
			in any of the existing printed
editions, because those additions
		
00:41:10 --> 00:41:15
			had been based on late manuscripts
or had just been very carelessly
		
00:41:16 --> 00:41:19
			collocated. And nowadays, you have
movements that are turning
		
00:41:19 --> 00:41:23
			countries upside down on the basis
of the literal reading of texts
		
00:41:23 --> 00:41:25
			that aren't even accurate texts
and are different from the
		
00:41:25 --> 00:41:29
			manuscripts. not impressive. So
		
00:41:31 --> 00:41:36
			ours cannot be a fundamentalist
tradition. But it's juridical
		
00:41:36 --> 00:41:40
			custodians, those who are aware of
the enormous burden of
		
00:41:40 --> 00:41:45
			responsibility and manner that
they carry from God, the all on
		
00:41:45 --> 00:41:51
			that water that will NBS as to the
profits, which is the CMC logo,
		
00:41:51 --> 00:41:53
			that's some quite a heavy thing to
carry.
		
00:41:54 --> 00:42:00
			Got a frightening place to stand,
are the ones who assured that this
		
00:42:00 --> 00:42:08
			ambiguity is maintained within the
boundaries, and that absurdity and
		
00:42:08 --> 00:42:14
			frivolity at work, can't intrude
into it. That the Sangha is this
		
00:42:14 --> 00:42:18
			big family of discussions and
methodologies and conclusions, but
		
00:42:18 --> 00:42:19
			it does have certain limits.
		
00:42:20 --> 00:42:24
			The word Muqtada, heretical,
reprehensible, innovative, still
		
00:42:24 --> 00:42:25
			has a meaning.
		
00:42:26 --> 00:42:30
			Nobody says there's six obligatory
prayers every day, certain things
		
00:42:30 --> 00:42:34
			are really clear. So that's
another event just intentions.
		
00:42:35 --> 00:42:39
			We have a religion whose texts are
telling us that Muslims can't be
		
00:42:39 --> 00:42:43
			fundamentalist if they read the
text. On the other hand, we have
		
00:42:43 --> 00:42:46
			this remarkable consistency of
many of our forms.
		
00:42:47 --> 00:42:52
			Isn't it interesting that the
Christians, there are plenty of
		
00:42:52 --> 00:42:55
			Christian fundamentalists who
believe in the literal inspiration
		
00:42:55 --> 00:42:58
			of the King James Bible. And yet
the way in which they worship is a
		
00:42:58 --> 00:43:01
			million different ways, and it
changes all the time, you don't
		
00:43:01 --> 00:43:04
			know what you're going to see next
in some of those churches.
		
00:43:05 --> 00:43:09
			The preacher comes in and he's
wearing a tuxedo and a bow tie and
		
00:43:09 --> 00:43:12
			there's a guy with an organ and
it's like Vegas and curtains and
		
00:43:12 --> 00:43:15
			people eating doughnuts in the
mega church. The only thing you're
		
00:43:15 --> 00:43:18
			not going to see that is how Satan
or ISA used to pray. They don't
		
00:43:18 --> 00:43:22
			even think that that might be a
good thing to follow. We do have
		
00:43:22 --> 00:43:26
			this principle of precedent of
sunnah which, through the jurists,
		
00:43:26 --> 00:43:32
			responsible and ego, Lis
filtration of everything, and then
		
00:43:32 --> 00:43:37
			merciful regard for what human
beings need, creates a consistent
		
00:43:37 --> 00:43:42
			religion. So multiplicity,
hardwired into the logic, the
		
00:43:42 --> 00:43:47
			circuit boards of the religions,
part Dr. But at the same time, we
		
00:43:47 --> 00:43:53
			have forms that seem to be more
consistent and uniform than in
		
00:43:53 --> 00:43:56
			other religions. And that's
another funny thing is
		
00:43:57 --> 00:44:00
			you go into a mosque, and you're
not going to see the Imam wearing
		
00:44:00 --> 00:44:03
			a tuxedo and somebody with a kind
of Vegas organ,
		
00:44:04 --> 00:44:08
			little kind of roll of drums when
somebody comes on to do truth and
		
00:44:08 --> 00:44:11
			TESTIMONY TIME, if you see that
stuff, you'll see how decadent it
		
00:44:11 --> 00:44:16
			is. No, you will not see that in
any mosque out of the 10 million
		
00:44:16 --> 00:44:18
			mosques that exist in the Ummah,
you won't see one where they're
		
00:44:18 --> 00:44:19
			doing it.
		
00:44:20 --> 00:44:24
			So that's another interesting
accomplishment, a culture of
		
00:44:24 --> 00:44:28
			ambiguity we like if he left
rehire till he left. That's what
		
00:44:28 --> 00:44:31
			it is to be part of the Sunnah.
wedgemount But on the other hand,
		
00:44:32 --> 00:44:36
			out of this non fundamentalist
tradition, this culture of
		
00:44:36 --> 00:44:41
			ambiguity we get forms that are
within certain boundaries quite
		
00:44:41 --> 00:44:43
			consistent and unsurprising.
		
00:44:45 --> 00:44:47
			You go into a mosque you're pretty
certain as to what you're going to
		
00:44:47 --> 00:44:48
			see.
		
00:44:49 --> 00:44:53
			There might trick out the mosque
with all kinds of weird things.
		
00:44:54 --> 00:44:58
			And Bala sweets into calendars,
can't avoid them and tinsel and
		
00:44:58 --> 00:45:00
			yar Mohammed who knows what
they're going
		
00:45:00 --> 00:45:04
			Put in the bud, the form of the
press. Nobody dares to fiddle with
		
00:45:04 --> 00:45:09
			that ever. Yeah, or there'd be a
riot, half of Pakistan, stop
		
00:45:09 --> 00:45:13
			shouting in the streets and limit
is going to do that. So this is
		
00:45:13 --> 00:45:17
			another of the interesting
civilization accomplishments of
		
00:45:17 --> 00:45:20
			our civilization. Now, another
aspect of this, and I haven't even
		
00:45:20 --> 00:45:24
			got onto my leader of today yet,
maybe he'll have to wait a bit is
		
00:45:27 --> 00:45:28
			the
		
00:45:29 --> 00:45:33
			nature of the law, which these
people are the custodians of?
		
00:45:34 --> 00:45:38
			I've mentioned, it's not statutory
law. Because one of the things
		
00:45:38 --> 00:45:42
			that these jurists are doing is
not accepting any kind of external
		
00:45:42 --> 00:45:45
			regulation. There's no
legislature.
		
00:45:47 --> 00:45:49
			There's no House of Lords or
		
00:45:50 --> 00:45:56
			Monache, the ultimate source of
legality. No symbol of the crown
		
00:45:56 --> 00:46:00
			on court documents is not a
Christ. Muslim court is not a
		
00:46:00 --> 00:46:01
			Crown Court.
		
00:46:02 --> 00:46:05
			And this, again, is often
misunderstood by modern Muslims.
		
00:46:05 --> 00:46:08
			And Bauer doesn't talk about this
so much. But while Haluk is at
		
00:46:08 --> 00:46:12
			Columbia University, he is maybe
the most respected Western expert
		
00:46:12 --> 00:46:12
			on
		
00:46:14 --> 00:46:15
			Sharia
		
00:46:17 --> 00:46:20
			does see this very clearly in some
of his recent books have been
		
00:46:20 --> 00:46:24
			about this, the way in which
Muslims nowadays look at Islamic
		
00:46:24 --> 00:46:29
			law, only a problematic,
inadequate translation of Sharia,
		
00:46:29 --> 00:46:31
			and try and turn it into something
that looks like Western law,
		
00:46:31 --> 00:46:37
			statutory law. So this is one of
his recent books, he keeps writing
		
00:46:37 --> 00:46:39
			books that get heavier and heavier
		
00:46:40 --> 00:46:44
			is an erudite, an interesting
person. And
		
00:46:48 --> 00:46:55
			he, of course, recognizes
diversity. The fact of differences
		
00:46:55 --> 00:46:57
			of opinions that page 364
		
00:46:58 --> 00:47:01
			is representative of what he has
found is not the Muslim,
		
00:47:02 --> 00:47:03
			Palestinian Christian origin.
		
00:47:07 --> 00:47:10
			The central fact is that Islamic
law is a grassroots system that
		
00:47:10 --> 00:47:15
			takes form and operates within the
social universe. It travels upward
		
00:47:15 --> 00:47:18
			with diminishing velocity to
affect in varying degrees and
		
00:47:18 --> 00:47:21
			forms the modus operandi of the
state.
		
00:47:22 --> 00:47:25
			So the law is shaping the state,
but the law comes up from the
		
00:47:25 --> 00:47:29
			population from below. That
strange, the jurists themselves
		
00:47:29 --> 00:47:33
			emanate from the very society and
societal culture that they serve.
		
00:47:33 --> 00:47:36
			And the law is ideology and
doctrine required that they be so.
		
00:47:39 --> 00:47:43
			In other words, it's not the state
that is appointing professors have
		
00:47:43 --> 00:47:47
			jurisprudence and enacting the
laws and it all comes down from
		
00:47:48 --> 00:47:52
			above its site itself that is
producing the jurist and the law
		
00:47:52 --> 00:47:55
			and the judges and the state is
affected affected by this. It's
		
00:47:55 --> 00:47:59
			passive, not active. It is one of
the most striking features of
		
00:47:59 --> 00:48:02
			Islamic law as a doctrinal and
judicial system that it is
		
00:48:02 --> 00:48:05
			generated at the very social level
on which it is applied.
		
00:48:07 --> 00:48:09
			In sharp, contradict
contradistinction, the law of the
		
00:48:09 --> 00:48:13
			nation state is superimposed from
a central height in downwards
		
00:48:13 --> 00:48:17
			direction. First, originating in
the mighty powers of the state
		
00:48:17 --> 00:48:21
			apparatus, and they're offered,
they're often deployed in a highly
		
00:48:21 --> 00:48:23
			structured but deliberately
descending movement to the
		
00:48:23 --> 00:48:27
			individuals constituting the
social order. Those individuals
		
00:48:27 --> 00:48:31
			who have harnessed as national
citizens, fathers and mothers in
		
00:48:31 --> 00:48:34
			the nation's families,
economically productive agents,
		
00:48:34 --> 00:48:36
			taxpayers, soldiers, etc.
		
00:48:37 --> 00:48:40
			As society subjected to Islamic
law is one that is largely self
		
00:48:40 --> 00:48:43
			governing, in which law and the
morality intertwined with it
		
00:48:43 --> 00:48:48
			largely operates in the interests
of that society. By contrast, a
		
00:48:48 --> 00:48:50
			society subject to the nation
state is one that is ruled from
		
00:48:50 --> 00:48:51
			above,
		
00:48:52 --> 00:48:55
			and so on. So he's drawing
attention to another of our
		
00:48:55 --> 00:48:58
			strange paradoxes when we look at
the Sharia and those who are
		
00:48:59 --> 00:49:03
			leaders in determining the Sharia
and that it is not statutory law.
		
00:49:04 --> 00:49:07
			And that historically, actually is
strange. It's unlike what the
		
00:49:07 --> 00:49:11
			Chinese did, or the Romans did.
It's odd for the state not to
		
00:49:11 --> 00:49:18
			legislate. What does the soltanto
Well, he's busy with his new loot
		
00:49:18 --> 00:49:24
			or with his slaves or with
whatever, but he can declare war.
		
00:49:25 --> 00:49:27
			Sometimes he can appoint chief
judges,
		
00:49:28 --> 00:49:30
			but he doesn't legislate.
		
00:49:31 --> 00:49:33
			The state doesn't legislate in the
Sharia. And that's pretty
		
00:49:33 --> 00:49:38
			consistent. So in a more recent
book, while Haluk on the book is
		
00:49:38 --> 00:49:43
			called The Impossible state, where
he looks at the various exclusions
		
00:49:43 --> 00:49:46
			and inclusions and catastrophes of
the modern Muslim world where
		
00:49:46 --> 00:49:50
			Sharia is being proposed as the
nation's law and he says that's
		
00:49:50 --> 00:49:55
			not how the Sharia works. Look at
the text Sharia is not statutory
		
00:49:55 --> 00:50:00
			law. You cannot have the Pakistani
parliament say
		
00:50:00 --> 00:50:03
			This is the Islamic law on
blasphemy. And it becomes right
		
00:50:03 --> 00:50:06
			for the country because Islamic
law does not give the parliament
		
00:50:06 --> 00:50:07
			or the state that right.
		
00:50:08 --> 00:50:11
			It's God's law interpreted by the
jurist in a million different
		
00:50:11 --> 00:50:15
			ways. As soon as the state starts
to impose it, you've got some
		
00:50:15 --> 00:50:19
			totalitarian thing with the
government making HD head and
		
00:50:19 --> 00:50:22
			determining which of these
multiple ambiguous solutions is
		
00:50:22 --> 00:50:26
			correct. What right does the
government have to exercise HD had
		
00:50:27 --> 00:50:31
			all the members of the Pakistani
military or parliament, super
		
00:50:31 --> 00:50:35
			geniuses in HD head? And the
gradations of Hadith? I don't
		
00:50:35 --> 00:50:40
			think so. So he says, This is the
greatest legal system ever evolved
		
00:50:40 --> 00:50:44
			in human history. And towards the
end of the book, he suggests ways
		
00:50:44 --> 00:50:48
			in which you can overcome much of
the modern disjuncture of Western
		
00:50:48 --> 00:50:48
			law.
		
00:50:49 --> 00:50:54
			But modern Islamist model of the
Islamic State is completely alien
		
00:50:54 --> 00:50:59
			to the Islamic legal system. We
don't have statutory law that
		
00:50:59 --> 00:51:03
			government doesn't legislate.
Instead, you've got a space almost
		
00:51:03 --> 00:51:06
			an anarchic state, where
communities and religious
		
00:51:06 --> 00:51:09
			communities are self regulating
with their own laws appointing
		
00:51:09 --> 00:51:10
			their own judges.
		
00:51:12 --> 00:51:16
			Anyway, so this is important for
us to understand that Islamic law
		
00:51:18 --> 00:51:20
			is very surprising.
		
00:51:22 --> 00:51:26
			But this has nothing to do with
this needs to be emphasized,
		
00:51:27 --> 00:51:31
			nothing to do with some kind of
latitude and Arianism. As if truth
		
00:51:31 --> 00:51:34
			doesn't matter. And morality isn't
important. This is very moralizing
		
00:51:34 --> 00:51:41
			society. And this law is
determined by interpreters who are
		
00:51:43 --> 00:51:49
			not messing around. But that
guiding assumption that which
		
00:51:49 --> 00:51:54
			unites them is that it's not so
true. And it's never going to be
		
00:51:54 --> 00:51:57
			united. And the texts are not
designed to be read by
		
00:51:57 --> 00:51:58
			fundamentalists.
		
00:51:59 --> 00:52:04
			So let's look at the leader that I
wanted to cite, as an example as
		
00:52:04 --> 00:52:08
			an exemplar and figure perhaps as
the first of whom we have
		
00:52:08 --> 00:52:12
			extensive documentation because we
have his views his fatwas his
		
00:52:12 --> 00:52:19
			book, still to hand, which is Imam
Malik, Imam Malik been ns. So
		
00:52:19 --> 00:52:21
			let's see how he fits into this.
		
00:52:25 --> 00:52:31
			Bit of bio data, first of all, in
his context, remember, the Islamic
		
00:52:31 --> 00:52:35
			Revolution has happened, blowing
the minds of the pagan Arabs who
		
00:52:35 --> 00:52:38
			didn't even have a law before it
arrived, blowing the minds of the
		
00:52:38 --> 00:52:41
			Byzantines and the Persians who
want a state law and this is not
		
00:52:41 --> 00:52:46
			going to be state law. It's
something really unusual in
		
00:52:46 --> 00:52:50
			radical dis continuity with what
went before. And because of the
		
00:52:50 --> 00:52:54
			nature of the sources, which in
the early period, were even less
		
00:52:54 --> 00:52:58
			systematized and filtered and
graded than was the case later on.
		
00:52:58 --> 00:53:01
			Of course, early Islamic law
really diverse.
		
00:53:03 --> 00:53:07
			Amongst the Sahaba Islamic law is
differently interpreted. Some of
		
00:53:07 --> 00:53:10
			the Sahaba will consider to be
muffed is sometimes they say there
		
00:53:10 --> 00:53:14
			were 10 of the Sahaba who could
give judgments in Islamic law.
		
00:53:14 --> 00:53:18
			Most of them were not, you might
get even ambass for a religious
		
00:53:18 --> 00:53:22
			judgment. You wouldn't go to Abu
Huraira for religious judgment by
		
00:53:22 --> 00:53:25
			and large because he wasn't
recognized as Mufti even though he
		
00:53:25 --> 00:53:25
			knew
		
00:53:27 --> 00:53:30
			a mountain of of Hadith in the
earliest period, the idea of
		
00:53:30 --> 00:53:36
			jurists, jurists, experts in the
fix the understanding of the law,
		
00:53:36 --> 00:53:39
			rather than people who just kind
of went through the hard drive and
		
00:53:39 --> 00:53:43
			cited a relevant Hadith, which is
we've seen it's not it's not going
		
00:53:43 --> 00:53:46
			to work was was pretty normative.
So
		
00:53:49 --> 00:53:51
			he is born.
		
00:53:52 --> 00:53:56
			We didn't know exactly when,
towards the end of in the 90s of
		
00:53:56 --> 00:53:58
			the second Islamic century,
		
00:54:00 --> 00:54:01
			pretty early
		
00:54:03 --> 00:54:04
			and becomes
		
00:54:06 --> 00:54:11
			an expert quite early on, as a
child were told that his mother,
		
00:54:11 --> 00:54:17
			seeing his interest in learning
and the prophetic legacy, put on
		
00:54:17 --> 00:54:23
			the formal kind of clothes of a
student of Hadith. And said, go to
		
00:54:24 --> 00:54:27
			the mosque in Medina and and
learn. So he was young and you
		
00:54:27 --> 00:54:31
			find that the Hadith that he
narrates, have, amazingly
		
00:54:31 --> 00:54:35
			incomparably short isn't adds a
lot of the time because it's kind
		
00:54:35 --> 00:54:39
			of close to that age is meeting
people in Medina who knew the
		
00:54:39 --> 00:54:40
			Sahaba
		
00:54:41 --> 00:54:42
			so
		
00:54:43 --> 00:54:47
			that becomes one of the watchwords
of his method.
		
00:54:49 --> 00:54:53
			Born in Medina, dies in Medina,
bear in Medina who looked at old
		
00:54:53 --> 00:54:58
			Ottoman pictures you can see his
tomb is one of the biggest domes
		
00:54:58 --> 00:54:59
			in Alba Pierre
		
00:55:00 --> 00:55:04
			Is the antonym of Medina scholars
of Medina
		
00:55:06 --> 00:55:06
			and
		
00:55:09 --> 00:55:18
			from an early age becomes really
paradigmatic of the sobriety and
		
00:55:20 --> 00:55:23
			austerity of that particular type.
		
00:55:24 --> 00:55:28
			He is not the sort of playful,
whimsical, postmodern scholar that
		
00:55:28 --> 00:55:33
			you encounter nowadays he was a
man of deadly seriousness.
		
00:55:37 --> 00:55:40
			We know a bit about his appearance
because Abu Hanifa who visited in
		
00:55:40 --> 00:55:43
			once what honey for son unmad
visits him several times it takes
		
00:55:43 --> 00:55:46
			from him but Abu Hanifa meets him
one Malik doesn't really leave
		
00:55:46 --> 00:55:48
			Medina ever except for Hajj.
		
00:55:50 --> 00:55:51
			He calls him
		
00:55:53 --> 00:55:56
			as rock. So we're pretty clear
that he had blue eyes.
		
00:55:59 --> 00:56:05
			DNA test him but it seems that his
father was from the US buffer
		
00:56:05 --> 00:56:10
			tribe of Yemen. But his mother was
from the Mohali convert background
		
00:56:10 --> 00:56:14
			we don't really know. So this
becomes significant for Malick,
		
00:56:14 --> 00:56:17
			even though he's in this Arab city
of Medina, where all the great
		
00:56:17 --> 00:56:22
			poets of the time are. Medina has
a great center of Arabic
		
00:56:24 --> 00:56:24
			literature.
		
00:56:26 --> 00:56:32
			But he has an openness in his foot
for the non Arab, which is
		
00:56:32 --> 00:56:37
			important not to go on about this.
But it needs to be said in our
		
00:56:37 --> 00:56:41
			communities that one of the most
startling and shocking aspects of
		
00:56:41 --> 00:56:45
			the Islamic Revolution was that
your DNA didn't actually matter
		
00:56:45 --> 00:56:51
			too much. You learn your ancestry.
And you can take pride in a
		
00:56:51 --> 00:56:55
			virtuous or generous great
grandfather. That's fine, take
		
00:56:55 --> 00:56:56
			pride in their virtues.
		
00:56:58 --> 00:57:01
			But it doesn't have legal
significance. Whereas for pre
		
00:57:01 --> 00:57:06
			Islamic Arabia, that who you were
your rights, who would stand up
		
00:57:06 --> 00:57:09
			for you was determined entirely by
your tribe.
		
00:57:10 --> 00:57:16
			So he was happy to allow at a time
of very considerable time with the
		
00:57:16 --> 00:57:17
			bunny or Maya
		
00:57:18 --> 00:57:20
			sharib chauvinism.
		
00:57:21 --> 00:57:26
			A lot of discrimination against
convert in the name of kind of
		
00:57:26 --> 00:57:30
			Arab pride. The insistence they
continue to pay the Jizya even
		
00:57:30 --> 00:57:33
			after converting because they
weren't really proper Arabs a lot
		
00:57:33 --> 00:57:38
			of discriminations in terms of
official and military
		
00:57:38 --> 00:57:39
			appointments.
		
00:57:40 --> 00:57:44
			Imam Malik was on the side of
equality of believers and this
		
00:57:44 --> 00:57:47
			needs to be recalled just this
morning. I got another of those
		
00:57:47 --> 00:57:48
			emails.
		
00:57:51 --> 00:57:51
			African girl
		
00:57:53 --> 00:57:54
			being proposed to,
		
00:57:55 --> 00:57:58
			by somebody of Arab origin,
		
00:58:01 --> 00:58:06
			either want to get married, Sharia
doesn't object. But the Arab
		
00:58:06 --> 00:58:11
			parents say no. Why? Because of
African origin. Full stop, end of
		
00:58:11 --> 00:58:15
			story. What can they do? Just this
morning, this comes
		
00:58:17 --> 00:58:22
			still 14 centuries after this
prophetic revolution. That's still
		
00:58:22 --> 00:58:23
			how we are.
		
00:58:25 --> 00:58:28
			So don't think that learning about
the early Islamic time is just
		
00:58:28 --> 00:58:32
			about the move towards the Islamic
perfection which we now inhabit
		
00:58:32 --> 00:58:36
			Jaya. Helia is often for many
Muslims and Muslim families and
		
00:58:36 --> 00:58:40
			Muslim governments more
significant than any Islamic
		
00:58:40 --> 00:58:43
			values. So, we need to recall that
		
00:58:50 --> 00:58:52
			Yep, so he is
		
00:58:54 --> 00:58:59
			brought up in the city of Medina.
And as a young person, and as a
		
00:58:59 --> 00:59:04
			child, he sought the people of
Medina veneration for anything
		
00:59:04 --> 00:59:07
			that was still there from the time
of the Holy Prophet. So not only
		
00:59:07 --> 00:59:12
			was the author of the Rasul has
always been part of the culture of
		
00:59:12 --> 00:59:17
			the people of Medina that you have
reverence for it in a kind of
		
00:59:17 --> 00:59:20
			physical way, which is why he
never in his life rode an animal
		
00:59:20 --> 00:59:24
			horse or mule or donkey in Medina,
just out of respect.
		
00:59:27 --> 00:59:32
			Mm Otto even I'd be rebuff was
another great jurist of the time
		
00:59:32 --> 00:59:37
			when he went into the mosque to
pray, would always touch the
		
00:59:37 --> 00:59:42
			minibar before praying in order to
absorb some of the blessing memory
		
00:59:42 --> 00:59:45
			of the prophetic time and that one
of the Khalifa has
		
00:59:46 --> 00:59:50
			heard that the minbar of this
great mosque was just the kind of
		
00:59:50 --> 00:59:55
			old wooden thing that it had been
at the time that the Holy Prophet
		
00:59:56 --> 00:59:58
			said that you were going to
replace it with this great kind of
		
00:59:58 --> 00:59:59
			ivory and ebony
		
01:00:00 --> 01:00:05
			And jeweled thing and people of
Medina protested and Imam Malik
		
01:00:05 --> 01:00:09
			says La ARA and your former nurse
Rasul Allah. I don't think that
		
01:00:09 --> 01:00:16
			it's right that people should be
deprived of the relics of Allah's
		
01:00:16 --> 01:00:19
			Messenger. This is always
important for the people of Medina
		
01:00:19 --> 01:00:21
			in particular, every little well.
		
01:00:23 --> 01:00:26
			When I was living in Saudi Arabia,
there were people who got to this
		
01:00:26 --> 01:00:27
			carpark
		
01:00:29 --> 01:00:33
			and in the carpark there was a
kind of scratched area.
		
01:00:34 --> 01:00:36
			Somebody had taken a break or
something just traced out this
		
01:00:36 --> 01:00:39
			kind of rectangle the size of a
prayer company, we'll get them
		
01:00:39 --> 01:00:39
			pray.
		
01:00:41 --> 01:00:44
			Because it's narrated by the
people of Medina that Holy Prophet
		
01:00:44 --> 01:00:46
			salAllahu alayhi wasallam once
prayed to records in that place,
		
01:00:47 --> 01:00:50
			and even though there's a
supermarket in the carpark, and
		
01:00:50 --> 01:00:50
			it's kind of like,
		
01:00:52 --> 01:00:55
			some American city just to look at
it, but with palm trees, and maybe
		
01:00:55 --> 01:00:56
			it's
		
01:00:57 --> 01:00:57
			Miami.
		
01:00:59 --> 01:01:02
			There's this rectangle, and the
people will go there still to pray
		
01:01:02 --> 01:01:06
			there to Rocco's people in Medina
and the wells in the mountains and
		
01:01:06 --> 01:01:11
			they know where everything is.
That's part of what they've in.
		
01:01:13 --> 01:01:17
			inherited from the age of the
Salah. So the whole city is kind
		
01:01:17 --> 01:01:22
			of redolent with fragrant
blessings from the Holy Prophets
		
01:01:22 --> 01:01:23
			time.
		
01:01:25 --> 01:01:28
			So he's brought up in a house of
		
01:01:30 --> 01:01:31
			learning.
		
01:01:35 --> 01:01:38
			And one of his teachers was
naffaa,
		
01:01:39 --> 01:01:40
			who
		
01:01:41 --> 01:01:46
			is one of the figures of the so
called Golden Chain Malik's also
		
01:01:46 --> 01:01:53
			Buhari is preferred. It's not just
Malik, from Nafa. From Evan Omar
		
01:01:54 --> 01:01:56
			from the Holy Prophet, so just two
intermediaries
		
01:01:57 --> 01:02:02
			so a very high isnaad As they say,
short and bad he is absolutely
		
01:02:02 --> 01:02:07
			reputable, puritanical figures if
an adverse very ascetical
		
01:02:07 --> 01:02:10
			Nathanael, his great student, and
he's telling Imam Malik directly
		
01:02:10 --> 01:02:14
			so that hadith could not possibly
be open to any kind of
		
01:02:15 --> 01:02:20
			interpolation or fabrication. It's
just kind of a first order truth
		
01:02:20 --> 01:02:22
			that that is a genuine narration.
		
01:02:32 --> 01:02:37
			Yup, so we find in the first
century, amongst the Sahaba and
		
01:02:37 --> 01:02:44
			attended a in a certain reverence
for the city of Medina and for its
		
01:02:44 --> 01:02:44
			FIP.
		
01:02:48 --> 01:02:48
			So,
		
01:02:49 --> 01:02:55
			Abdullah ibn Omar, who just
mentioned, heard that the Khalifa
		
01:02:55 --> 01:02:58
			this is under Malik bin Marwan the
one who built the Dome of the Rock
		
01:02:58 --> 01:03:03
			in Jerusalem compared to Sahara
was involved in arbitrating legal
		
01:03:03 --> 01:03:04
			dispute
		
01:03:05 --> 01:03:10
			between two jurists and trying to
figure out which of them was right
		
01:03:10 --> 01:03:15
			so even Omar wrote to him saying
in quantum there is it to the to
		
01:03:15 --> 01:03:20
			jurist to return in the matura
family coma be during his Hijrah
		
01:03:20 --> 01:03:21
			was sunnah.
		
01:03:22 --> 01:03:26
			If you want good Council, then
follow the Dar Al Hijrah and the
		
01:03:26 --> 01:03:27
			Sunnah.
		
01:03:28 --> 01:03:31
			So, the earliest period we find
this reverence for the
		
01:03:33 --> 01:03:35
			prophetic fragrance of the city,
		
01:03:36 --> 01:03:37
			which still contain
		
01:03:38 --> 01:03:43
			a community which was in
continuity with a prophetic age,
		
01:03:43 --> 01:03:47
			unlike some of the garrison towns,
for start in Egypt call for in
		
01:03:47 --> 01:03:52
			Iraq, Muslims in Damascus, the
Sahaba had spread to many places,
		
01:03:52 --> 01:03:59
			but the local tradition was a new
tradition, whereas Medina was in
		
01:03:59 --> 01:04:02
			continuity with that early age and
there had been so little
		
01:04:02 --> 01:04:04
			opportunity for it to,
		
01:04:05 --> 01:04:11
			to, to change. So in Malik I've
mentioned a kind of
		
01:04:12 --> 01:04:17
			saintly individual but of the
rather stern variety, the Jelena
		
01:04:18 --> 01:04:18
			type,
		
01:04:19 --> 01:04:24
			so and his reverence for the
Sunnah was that he would never
		
01:04:24 --> 01:04:28
			give a fatwa unless he had
waldock.
		
01:04:29 --> 01:04:32
			If he was asked for a hadith
sometimes he'll go back to his
		
01:04:32 --> 01:04:35
			house and do a Wasson, before
coming to narrate a hadith just
		
01:04:35 --> 01:04:39
			out of reverence. It's not
required for the validity of
		
01:04:39 --> 01:04:43
			Hadith narration but just out of
the kind of, or in which he held
		
01:04:43 --> 01:04:47
			the prophetic legacy and his
knowledge of the onerous
		
01:04:47 --> 01:04:51
			responsibility of saying that
God's messenger had said something
		
01:04:54 --> 01:04:59
			because of his fearfulness of
getting things wrong, whenever he
		
01:05:00 --> 01:05:04
			He issued a fatwa, he was famous
for saying, the hollow and water
		
01:05:04 --> 01:05:05
			in Lebanon.
		
01:05:06 --> 01:05:09
			This is exactly what we mean by
the Islamic model of leadership,
		
01:05:09 --> 01:05:13
			who don't want to do it. It's your
moral obligation to transmit
		
01:05:13 --> 01:05:16
			something that you know to be true
from the Holy Prophet salallahu
		
01:05:16 --> 01:05:19
			Alaihe Salam, you can't hide that
light under a bushel, but it's
		
01:05:20 --> 01:05:23
			really scary. You don't want to
distort people's knowledge of
		
01:05:23 --> 01:05:27
			Revelation. So because of his own
self knowledge, his own
		
01:05:27 --> 01:05:32
			understanding of his weakness and
of the momentous business that he
		
01:05:32 --> 01:05:35
			was embarked upon who begin with
this, hello, I love it. I love it.
		
01:05:35 --> 01:05:37
			I have to do this.
		
01:05:38 --> 01:05:42
			Not here I am. And I'd like to
thank His Majesty for inviting me
		
01:05:42 --> 01:05:45
			to the splendid Islamic
conference. And we're so grateful
		
01:05:45 --> 01:05:48
			to the catering staff, and here we
are, they accept this medal on
		
01:05:48 --> 01:05:52
			behalf of the Muslim whatever.
Instead of that performance, which
		
01:05:52 --> 01:05:57
			we have nowadays is just a
performance bla bla bla, he's
		
01:05:57 --> 01:06:01
			being asked to relate from the
best of creation. He doesn't want
		
01:06:01 --> 01:06:05
			to do it, but he knows he has to
do it. And this is famous is a
		
01:06:05 --> 01:06:12
			part of his fastidious moral
nature. His conscience imposes it
		
01:06:13 --> 01:06:13
			upon him.
		
01:06:15 --> 01:06:21
			Also making sure that he would
only speak when he had consulted
		
01:06:21 --> 01:06:25
			with others was part of his
leadership. I guess he said he
		
01:06:25 --> 01:06:27
			didn't give his first fatwah
		
01:06:28 --> 01:06:33
			until he had consulted with 79 all
on that, on that fatwa.
		
01:06:35 --> 01:06:37
			Nowadays, give everybody's Mufti.
		
01:06:38 --> 01:06:42
			you post something on YouTube. And
by the next day, you've got 50
		
01:06:42 --> 01:06:47
			fatwas, in bad English is haram.
This is sunnah Masha Allah,
		
01:06:47 --> 01:06:49
			everybody's Mufti nowadays.
		
01:06:50 --> 01:06:55
			But he was not like that, and
would consult and will consult and
		
01:06:55 --> 01:06:59
			will consult until he gave the
view that he considered to be
		
01:07:00 --> 01:07:00
			correct.
		
01:07:04 --> 01:07:06
			Yeah, one of his
		
01:07:08 --> 01:07:10
			teachers was called Rubby
		
01:07:11 --> 01:07:18
			Rubby. He was his super k. And
this becomes one of the features
		
01:07:18 --> 01:07:18
			of
		
01:07:20 --> 01:07:23
			fuckery in this early period,
right? It means kind of
		
01:07:23 --> 01:07:27
			considered. deliberation doesn't
just mean opinion. Right? He has a
		
01:07:27 --> 01:07:33
			very specific kind of view that
you take on the basis of certain
		
01:07:35 --> 01:07:39
			processes that you've gone through
very often. And this is starting
		
01:07:39 --> 01:07:42
			to come to our awareness. Now in
modern scholarship.
		
01:07:43 --> 01:07:48
			We assume that in this formative
period, there wasn't really a
		
01:07:48 --> 01:07:54
			legal methodology. There wasn't a
solid fuck, as we later assume,
		
01:07:54 --> 01:07:58
			from Ghazali, and Amedee. And
those amazingly complicated things
		
01:07:58 --> 01:08:00
			with 20 different types of PS.
		
01:08:02 --> 01:08:05
			The old assumption was that
there's a formative period of
		
01:08:05 --> 01:08:09
			Islamic law and things are kind of
chaotic. And people are giving
		
01:08:09 --> 01:08:14
			views just on the basis of what
they think might be right. And
		
01:08:14 --> 01:08:17
			this is a position identified with
somebody called yours, if shocked
		
01:08:17 --> 01:08:21
			in particular, who was active in
the mid 20th century and was one
		
01:08:21 --> 01:08:24
			of the great professors the
history of Islamic law, who had
		
01:08:24 --> 01:08:25
			this idea of
		
01:08:26 --> 01:08:30
			the formative period and ancient
schools of Islamic law, the School
		
01:08:30 --> 01:08:32
			of the hijas School of Iraq
particularly.
		
01:08:34 --> 01:08:38
			And then Imam Shafi comes at the
end of this formative period and
		
01:08:38 --> 01:08:42
			with his famous reseller explains
a methodology for the first time
		
01:08:43 --> 01:08:46
			on how you deal with the Quran and
the Sunnah and you deduce the law.
		
01:08:48 --> 01:08:52
			That's been a very widely held
view. More recently, we have
		
01:08:53 --> 01:08:58
			learned to challenge that. Dr.
Omar Abdullah, for instance, who
		
01:08:58 --> 01:09:02
			has it was his PhD thesis, but he
published it recently Malik and
		
01:09:02 --> 01:09:06
			Medina. The point of his book
really is to show that if you
		
01:09:06 --> 01:09:07
			really look at Malik's
		
01:09:08 --> 01:09:13
			judgments, and you reconstruct the
reasoning behind them, you can see
		
01:09:13 --> 01:09:16
			that he was also operating with
something you can certainly call a
		
01:09:16 --> 01:09:17
			sort of.
		
01:09:18 --> 01:09:22
			It's not a kind of arbitrary,
careless, random deploying of
		
01:09:22 --> 01:09:28
			Hadith, the way we often do it
nowadays, instead, there's a
		
01:09:28 --> 01:09:31
			rigorous methodology behind it,
which you can reconstruct what he
		
01:09:31 --> 01:09:36
			didn't publish was a book on how
to do it. But he nonetheless had
		
01:09:36 --> 01:09:40
			his soul. And the same goes for
Abu Hanifa and allows that I
		
01:09:40 --> 01:09:44
			certainly and the other early
schools, it's just a chef, it
		
01:09:44 --> 01:09:47
			actually wrote it down, and it
from that time on became a kind of
		
01:09:47 --> 01:09:50
			literary genre in Islamic
civilization. But to assume that
		
01:09:50 --> 01:09:54
			the fuck was kind of chaotic, in
the first couple of centuries
		
01:09:54 --> 01:09:59
			simply underestimates the again
fastidious precision with which
		
01:09:59 --> 01:09:59
			these
		
01:10:00 --> 01:10:03
			People research the sources and
the
		
01:10:05 --> 01:10:08
			reluctance that they had to
actually express the opinions.
		
01:10:08 --> 01:10:11
			This wasn't an age in which people
would just
		
01:10:12 --> 01:10:18
			randomly hold for So Robbie is one
of his teachers Rabhi are famous
		
01:10:18 --> 01:10:25
			for giving views without apparent
prophetic support. The reason for
		
01:10:25 --> 01:10:29
			that being in the city of Medina,
the practice, the city of Medina
		
01:10:29 --> 01:10:33
			could be interpreted as being a
reliable recollection of the
		
01:10:33 --> 01:10:40
			Prophetic practice, or that he had
Hadith or other early texts own
		
01:10:40 --> 01:10:44
			but just didn't cite them in
offering his position. So that's
		
01:10:44 --> 01:10:48
			rubbish. One of his teachers.
Another was Ibn Hormoz.
		
01:10:51 --> 01:10:55
			had been homeless seems to have
had a book, which in some ways was
		
01:10:55 --> 01:10:59
			the kind of precedent of the water
which is the famous book, which we
		
01:10:59 --> 01:11:01
			sometimes think is a Hadith
collection, although it's not,
		
01:11:01 --> 01:11:02
			which is
		
01:11:03 --> 01:11:07
			identified with Imam Malik given
hornless also seems to have had
		
01:11:07 --> 01:11:07
			this
		
01:11:10 --> 01:11:17
			text and he's a text of that type,
Ibn Hormoz. Again, emblematic of
		
01:11:17 --> 01:11:19
			this type of scholar, the leader
		
01:11:20 --> 01:11:24
			who doesn't want to pretend that
he has the answers.
		
01:11:25 --> 01:11:28
			One of the famous things that
every student learns about Imam
		
01:11:28 --> 01:11:31
			Malik is that he would say, I
don't know, a lot of the time,
		
01:11:32 --> 01:11:37
			once some people came, asked him
42 questions, and he said, I don't
		
01:11:37 --> 01:11:42
			know that three to 36 of them.
They've traveled to Medina to get
		
01:11:42 --> 01:11:44
			the right answer, or at least his
preferred opinion is
		
01:11:47 --> 01:11:48
			a bit disappointing.
		
01:11:49 --> 01:11:54
			It's like going to sort of Chief
Justice, or saying, Well, what's
		
01:11:54 --> 01:11:55
			your view on this case? I didn't
know.
		
01:11:57 --> 01:12:00
			The Attorney General I didn't know
doesn't happen nowadays, partly
		
01:12:00 --> 01:12:02
			because they lose their job if
they kept saying,
		
01:12:04 --> 01:12:10
			but it is from their diffidence
and that control of their egos.
		
01:12:11 --> 01:12:14
			Because the Odium, academic,
		
01:12:15 --> 01:12:20
			the besetting effort or sin of
academics is that they always want
		
01:12:20 --> 01:12:24
			to have an answer to everything.
And that it's kind of lips, the
		
01:12:24 --> 01:12:28
			bits the site down. If in a
monograph or in a conference, you
		
01:12:28 --> 01:12:32
			say, I don't know, who knows?
You're not supposed to do that.
		
01:12:32 --> 01:12:36
			You don't get tenure by saying, I
don't know. Every time somebody
		
01:12:36 --> 01:12:39
			asks you a question. In an
interview, the whole system is
		
01:12:39 --> 01:12:43
			directed really towards propping
up people's ego. So people wing it
		
01:12:43 --> 01:12:48
			and they come up with reasons that
they may not actually believe in
		
01:12:48 --> 01:12:51
			and this is something a member of
US ally talks about the bad
		
01:12:51 --> 01:12:57
			scholar who pretends to know, but
doesn't. So he gets this from Evan
		
01:12:57 --> 01:12:58
			Hormoz.
		
01:13:00 --> 01:13:06
			And it becomes Malik's what word
really so Carla Malik, semi auto
		
01:13:06 --> 01:13:10
			Abner Hormoz in your call
Youngberry. And you return early
		
01:13:10 --> 01:13:12
			modular Sir, who cola at three?
		
01:13:14 --> 01:13:20
			Malik said, I heard Ibn Hormoz
saying it is right for the scholar
		
01:13:20 --> 01:13:24
			to teach his associates the words
I don't know.
		
01:13:26 --> 01:13:32
			That's a good piece of advice for
a scholar. But why is this the
		
01:13:32 --> 01:13:35
			case? Well, he explains the kind
of man that he's studying with I
		
01:13:35 --> 01:13:39
			would visit Ibn Hormoz he would
order the servant to shut the door
		
01:13:39 --> 01:13:42
			and close the curtains. And then
he would speak about the early
		
01:13:42 --> 01:13:46
			days of this ummah, and tears
would run down his beard.
		
01:13:47 --> 01:13:52
			Another type of contrite type of
scholar, nostalgic for the last
		
01:13:52 --> 01:13:57
			fragrant days of early Islam, part
of the Hadith scholars and indeed
		
01:13:57 --> 01:14:01
			the jurists task is to try and
recreate something of the unique
		
01:14:03 --> 01:14:07
			spiritual immediacy of the early
days of the ummah.
		
01:14:10 --> 01:14:15
			Sometimes we're told the Imam
Malik in order to get to his view,
		
01:14:16 --> 01:14:20
			would not allow himself to sleep
or to eat or to drink while he was
		
01:14:20 --> 01:14:21
			researching something.
		
01:14:22 --> 01:14:25
			Wouldn't be like the modern
scholar who gets up on Starbucks
		
01:14:25 --> 01:14:28
			and talks to his friends and it
gets back to something and
		
01:14:28 --> 01:14:31
			postpones it. He went when he
wanted to do something, he would
		
01:14:31 --> 01:14:36
			focus on it in the there and now
and not do anything until he had
		
01:14:36 --> 01:14:38
			come to his view on it.
		
01:14:46 --> 01:14:50
			Yep, so he's translated
transmitting from these scholars
		
01:14:50 --> 01:14:58
			fic and ratiu and Hadith. He has
other teachers as well. Jennifer
		
01:14:58 --> 01:14:59
			esodoc and his father Mohammed and
by
		
01:15:00 --> 01:15:05
			occur, we tend to think of as she
authors in this early period, she
		
01:15:05 --> 01:15:09
			our kind of political legitimacy
movement rather than the
		
01:15:09 --> 01:15:14
			denomination. So there was no
problem with Abu Hanifa Imam
		
01:15:14 --> 01:15:19
			Malik, associating as equals with
jurist later identified with she
		
01:15:19 --> 01:15:19
			lines
		
01:15:21 --> 01:15:26
			with a zaharie, naffaa. And
others. You might say, well, this
		
01:15:26 --> 01:15:29
			is all a bit provincial, he's
sitting in Medina shouldn't a
		
01:15:29 --> 01:15:34
			scholarly leader, particularly in
Islamic culture, which we assume
		
01:15:34 --> 01:15:37
			is the culture of rattler and
traveling everywhere? Shouldn't be
		
01:15:37 --> 01:15:40
			travel isn't as odd. He's just
saying that? Well, the answer is
		
01:15:40 --> 01:15:43
			because he's in Medina, the world
travels to him.
		
01:15:44 --> 01:15:48
			Most of the hedges, go through
Medina, or visit Medina on their
		
01:15:48 --> 01:15:53
			way to Hajj now includes the
scholarly elite. So it gets to see
		
01:15:53 --> 01:15:56
			people from around the Ummah and
he goes out of his way to get to
		
01:15:56 --> 01:16:00
			know them. Because the principle
of juridical leadership in Islam
		
01:16:00 --> 01:16:04
			is that you don't just know the
books, but you know, the people to
		
01:16:04 --> 01:16:09
			whom the law applies. And regional
variation is something that is an
		
01:16:09 --> 01:16:10
			axiom in Sharia.
		
01:16:12 --> 01:16:13
			Not in matters of worship.
		
01:16:15 --> 01:16:16
			But in matters of
		
01:16:17 --> 01:16:24
			personal law, and the actual
practice of the court. Because the
		
01:16:24 --> 01:16:28
			judge has far more discretion and
leeway in an Islamic court to see
		
01:16:28 --> 01:16:31
			what actually is natural justice
in a circumstance than Western
		
01:16:31 --> 01:16:33
			statutory law where the judge
can't do anything, you've done
		
01:16:33 --> 01:16:38
			something outrageous online. But
the law hasn't caught up with that
		
01:16:38 --> 01:16:41
			outrageous thing yet the way in
which society can penalize you.
		
01:16:42 --> 01:16:45
			But in Islamic law, that the judge
does have the right not to impose
		
01:16:45 --> 01:16:49
			a death sentence, but to impose
some kind of custodial sentence of
		
01:16:49 --> 01:16:52
			a fine if you've done something
that he thinks is wrong, even if
		
01:16:52 --> 01:16:55
			there's no statute, which is
another thing that seems strange
		
01:16:55 --> 01:17:00
			to the Western consciousness that
often depends on the culture of
		
01:17:00 --> 01:17:02
			individuals. And the ruling might
be different for different
		
01:17:02 --> 01:17:05
			families or for different regions
because of what the local
		
01:17:05 --> 01:17:09
			perception of natural justice
might be. So Imam Malik is
		
01:17:09 --> 01:17:13
			actually he's got his finger on
the pulse of the OMA just by being
		
01:17:13 --> 01:17:17
			in Medina, and meeting all of
these jurists, and that's one
		
01:17:17 --> 01:17:22
			reason why this apparently very
local matter becomes global,
		
01:17:22 --> 01:17:25
			because his approach is being
taken out.
		
01:17:27 --> 01:17:31
			So his call spreads quite quickly
in Egypt, North Africa, even
		
01:17:31 --> 01:17:32
			during his
		
01:17:34 --> 01:17:35
			lifetime.
		
01:17:36 --> 01:17:39
			It was always experienced as being
		
01:17:40 --> 01:17:44
			a kind of practical and workable
system of law. I've mentioned that
		
01:17:44 --> 01:17:48
			it did have or fall. But these
weren't conceived as an elaborate
		
01:17:48 --> 01:17:51
			philosophical, jurisprudential
structure,
		
01:17:53 --> 01:17:55
			but rather focused on
		
01:17:57 --> 01:18:02
			the Imams close knowledge of
people's actual circumstances, and
		
01:18:02 --> 01:18:06
			his awareness of the purpose of
the law, which is a tayseer to
		
01:18:06 --> 01:18:11
			make human life easier under God.
So
		
01:18:12 --> 01:18:18
			there's a lot of things in the
madhhab such as taqdeer, sort of
		
01:18:18 --> 01:18:21
			estimating what something ought to
be, if you didn't have a clear
		
01:18:21 --> 01:18:26
			Hadith for it, followed certain
assumptions presuppositions
		
01:18:27 --> 01:18:31
			based not on a random subjective
sense of what ought to be right.
		
01:18:32 --> 01:18:35
			But on his life experience of
dealing with the practice of a
		
01:18:35 --> 01:18:37
			righteous city and of human
nature.
		
01:18:38 --> 01:18:45
			Because of his lifelong experience
of litigants, and of jurists, and
		
01:18:45 --> 01:18:48
			of just dealing with the
marketplace, and just people in
		
01:18:48 --> 01:18:53
			Medina, and hearing cases from
strange places around the world
		
01:18:53 --> 01:18:58
			for scholars who came to visit
him, uh, his idea of juridical
		
01:18:58 --> 01:19:02
			leadership was based on somebody
who really used society and was
		
01:19:02 --> 01:19:05
			part of it, which again, is part
of the
		
01:19:07 --> 01:19:10
			what I began by saying, the
characteristic Islamic vision that
		
01:19:10 --> 01:19:14
			we go through the world to get to
the other side, rather than trying
		
01:19:14 --> 01:19:15
			to tiptoe around it.
		
01:19:17 --> 01:19:20
			In the Catholic context, people
will say, well, the priest is
		
01:19:20 --> 01:19:24
			advising me on my marriage, or how
to do with my children, the priest
		
01:19:24 --> 01:19:28
			has never been in that space. Who
are these old guys in the Vatican?
		
01:19:29 --> 01:19:32
			Two right, begin cyclical rules
about family life. It's odd,
		
01:19:33 --> 01:19:37
			was an Islamic context because the
jurist is absolutely part of
		
01:19:37 --> 01:19:41
			society and married and has
children and might participate in
		
01:19:41 --> 01:19:46
			wars and has a business or a shop.
It's on the basis of that close
		
01:19:46 --> 01:19:51
			experience of the gritty reality,
the texture of human life, that
		
01:19:51 --> 01:19:56
			the jurist acquires this this fear
rasa, this spiritual aesthetic
		
01:19:56 --> 01:19:59
			insight into what sounds like good
law
		
01:20:00 --> 01:20:04
			which is absolutely necessary
given the complexity of the
		
01:20:04 --> 01:20:07
			revealed sources, there has to be
this right. This inspired
		
01:20:07 --> 01:20:12
			considered judgment. Again, this
is not a fundamentalist age and
		
01:20:12 --> 01:20:15
			not a fundamentalist community.
		
01:20:16 --> 01:20:22
			And one of the famous heroic
leadership incidents of the life
		
01:20:22 --> 01:20:25
			of Imam Malik and there's a famous
parallel in the life of Imam Ahmed
		
01:20:25 --> 01:20:29
			bin Hamburg, underlines this fact
that the law is not determined by
		
01:20:29 --> 01:20:30
			the state,
		
01:20:31 --> 01:20:35
			which is that the KDF sitting in
his palace in Baghdad, which is
		
01:20:35 --> 01:20:41
			this kind of outrageous thing with
seven concentric walls and moats,
		
01:20:42 --> 01:20:44
			and guards from different
countries and
		
01:20:45 --> 01:20:48
			a pet lion that guards the throne
that it's that kind of Arabian
		
01:20:48 --> 01:20:52
			Nights. Well, Malik doesn't want
to go near that the bailiff
		
01:20:52 --> 01:20:55
			sitting on this throne thinks
wouldn't be nice to have a single
		
01:20:55 --> 01:21:00
			law for my empire. Maybe the
Byzantines have got that Justinian
		
01:21:00 --> 01:21:05
			code. And I could be in charge of
much more power if I control the
		
01:21:05 --> 01:21:09
			law. And these jurists don't want
me to have anything except my
		
01:21:09 --> 01:21:13
			throne and my lion and my name and
the hot person. I'd like a bit
		
01:21:13 --> 01:21:14
			more than that, please.
		
01:21:15 --> 01:21:20
			So the Khalifa tries to throw his
weight around by compelling
		
01:21:20 --> 01:21:24
			leading jurists to issue judgments
that the Khalifa approves off. So
		
01:21:25 --> 01:21:28
			among sore is the first really
significant Ambassade qlf.
		
01:21:31 --> 01:21:34
			Since Imam Malik a messenger
telling him not to narrate a
		
01:21:34 --> 01:21:38
			particular Hadith, Lisa Arlen was
crying Talaq,
		
01:21:39 --> 01:21:44
			which is that forced divorce is
invalid. In the Sharia, you can't
		
01:21:44 --> 01:21:49
			force somebody to divorce somebody
else. And then Halifa wants to get
		
01:21:49 --> 01:21:53
			rid of this partly because of the
aversive forcible assumption of
		
01:21:53 --> 01:21:57
			power. And the idea everybody had
been forced to take bait.
		
01:21:59 --> 01:22:04
			This still goes on, of course,
some new king or tyrant appears in
		
01:22:04 --> 01:22:08
			a Muslim country and everybody has
seen someone will die, we pledge
		
01:22:08 --> 01:22:11
			our obedience to you and you're
forced to do that the Abbasids
		
01:22:11 --> 01:22:14
			we're forcing people to do this
after the very violent, brutal
		
01:22:16 --> 01:22:22
			revelation revolution. And so the
analogy from this legitimacy of a
		
01:22:22 --> 01:22:26
			forced divorce was important and
Imam Malik gets this messenger and
		
01:22:26 --> 01:22:27
			says, No.
		
01:22:29 --> 01:22:34
			And so the governor of Medina is
almost ordered to cease and flog
		
01:22:35 --> 01:22:36
			Imam Malik
		
01:22:37 --> 01:22:40
			and puts them on the rack. So he's
physically stretched his shoulders
		
01:22:40 --> 01:22:46
			dislocated, and he passes out if
the pain is so great that he loses
		
01:22:46 --> 01:22:47
			consciousness
		
01:22:48 --> 01:22:52
			and they loosened the rack and he
comes to and is asked, Well, are
		
01:22:52 --> 01:22:54
			you going to continue with this
hadith?
		
01:22:55 --> 01:22:59
			His Royal Highness doesn't like
and he says,
		
01:23:00 --> 01:23:02
			I forgive a mon sore.
		
01:23:04 --> 01:23:08
			Why you forgiving the honey for
for torturing us I forgive him
		
01:23:08 --> 01:23:11
			because I don't want to meet God
on the day of judgment. Having
		
01:23:11 --> 01:23:14
			said something bad about somebody
from the prophetic family.
		
01:23:16 --> 01:23:20
			It's a kind of way around it but
it's also indicative of the
		
01:23:20 --> 01:23:23
			greatness. He's not kind of
cursing
		
01:23:24 --> 01:23:29
			and screaming He forgives the
Khalifa. The Khalifa has taken a
		
01:23:29 --> 01:23:33
			different view she doesn't agree
with but he's not going to start
		
01:23:34 --> 01:23:39
			screaming and cursing. So he's not
going to stop narrating this
		
01:23:39 --> 01:23:44
			Heidi's and so that the police of
the time, shave off his beard
		
01:23:45 --> 01:23:48
			and mounts him on a camel and
parade him through Medina looking
		
01:23:48 --> 01:23:49
			ridiculous.
		
01:23:50 --> 01:23:54
			And then he's ordered to condemn
himself aloud in front of
		
01:23:54 --> 01:23:57
			everybody but he says man, either
funny or funny.
		
01:23:59 --> 01:24:02
			I may look strange today, but
whoever knows me will recognize
		
01:24:02 --> 01:24:09
			me. My name is Malik Ibn Anas. And
I say Lisa Allen will Stukeley
		
01:24:09 --> 01:24:12
			Talaq, forced divorce is illicit.
		
01:24:13 --> 01:24:17
			So the key word here is if this
says, Well, I can't really go any
		
01:24:17 --> 01:24:20
			further. He's stubborn,
		
01:24:21 --> 01:24:25
			ontological saraha, who let him go
and so his released that's an
		
01:24:25 --> 01:24:27
			example of leadership that in
		
01:24:29 --> 01:24:34
			extremists, these early
ambassadors are very brutal.
		
01:24:35 --> 01:24:39
			They've even dug up the bodies of
the bunny or Maya and thrown the
		
01:24:40 --> 01:24:44
			remains to the dogs. They're kind
of vicious.
		
01:24:45 --> 01:24:48
			They're doing this to Imam Malik.
And it's a kind of important
		
01:24:48 --> 01:24:51
			political thing that they're
trying to force him to do, but he
		
01:24:51 --> 01:24:53
			will not succeed.
		
01:25:00 --> 01:25:04
			Another great a basket case with
Haroon Rashid, the famous one of
		
01:25:04 --> 01:25:08
			the Arabian Nights, was in Medina
and wanted to go to Imam Malik's
		
01:25:08 --> 01:25:09
			class.
		
01:25:11 --> 01:25:14
			And the Khalifa has his chair
brought everybody sitting on the
		
01:25:14 --> 01:25:15
			floor and a Khalifa was on his
chair.
		
01:25:17 --> 01:25:22
			And Imam Malik stops talking and
indicates that the Khalifa should
		
01:25:22 --> 01:25:24
			sit on the floor along with all of
the students.
		
01:25:26 --> 01:25:27
			Haroon says,
		
01:25:28 --> 01:25:31
			what can you send them away, so I
can read you some Hadith and you
		
01:25:31 --> 01:25:35
			can give me a Jazza in these
Hadith and Malik says, If ordinary
		
01:25:35 --> 01:25:39
			people are not allowed to attend
because of the wealthy, how the
		
01:25:39 --> 01:25:42
			wealthy are going to benefit? In
other words, it's in your interest
		
01:25:42 --> 01:25:45
			to be with these other students.
This is not a kind of private
		
01:25:45 --> 01:25:48
			thing. Can I have a private
session with you please share. I
		
01:25:48 --> 01:25:50
			don't want to be with those people
because it wouldn't really know
		
01:25:50 --> 01:25:51
			very much and they're all
		
01:25:53 --> 01:25:58
			people I don't approve of notices.
The Imam is very happy to ask the
		
01:25:58 --> 01:26:02
			khalifa to sit on the floor. And
this is leadership and he kind of
		
01:26:02 --> 01:26:07
			gets away with it even though he's
beaten and stretched and has his
		
01:26:07 --> 01:26:11
			beard shaved off because he will
not make concessions and this is
		
01:26:11 --> 01:26:15
			why we still revere his name and
he's madhhab is still followed by
		
01:26:16 --> 01:26:21
			so much of the ALMA maybe 15% of
the ALMA is Maliki.
		
01:26:23 --> 01:26:28
			So when put to the test, he
doesn't buckle. Nowadays, some
		
01:26:28 --> 01:26:33
			Allamah do buckle. The Grand Mufti
of here, or the Minister of Alkaff
		
01:26:34 --> 01:26:38
			of they're threatened, sometimes
quite in quite bloodcurdling terms
		
01:26:38 --> 01:26:44
			by this, that, or the other Sultan
or general or whoever it might be
		
01:26:44 --> 01:26:50
			will say, all right, every caught
in my Gulf country is now going to
		
01:26:50 --> 01:26:54
			be only about obeying the ruler
and the wonderfulness of the
		
01:26:54 --> 01:26:57
			ruler, and we don't have any other
subjects. That's what we're going
		
01:26:57 --> 01:27:00
			to do. And this is what happens.
This would not be the way of Imam
		
01:27:00 --> 01:27:02
			Malik, who
		
01:27:04 --> 01:27:08
			was a dignified man and must have
found this very humiliating. We're
		
01:27:08 --> 01:27:11
			told he was dressed well, and he
had a nice house. He wasn't the
		
01:27:11 --> 01:27:12
			kind of barefoot
		
01:27:15 --> 01:27:20
			dervish type, he believed that
scholarship should look good. This
		
01:27:20 --> 01:27:23
			was terribly humiliating for him,
but he wasn't going to capitulate.
		
01:27:24 --> 01:27:30
			And that is an important lesson
for our age when regimes try to
		
01:27:31 --> 01:27:35
			control the Sharia, or abolish the
Sharia or get scholars to give
		
01:27:35 --> 01:27:40
			some crazy statement and
pressurize them. Unfortunately,
		
01:27:41 --> 01:27:43
			if you're going to be a scholar,
you have to say what Mr. Malik
		
01:27:43 --> 01:27:46
			says each time is giving a fact
right now Hola, La Quwata in
		
01:27:46 --> 01:27:51
			Lebanon, even if this means I have
to go to jail. This is God's
		
01:27:51 --> 01:27:55
			religion. This is the way of the
Holy Prophet, this is God's law.
		
01:27:55 --> 01:27:57
			This is how it is.
		
01:27:58 --> 01:28:02
			And there have been some there
perhaps not enough heroic
		
01:28:02 --> 01:28:06
			instances of this in recent years,
so
		
01:28:07 --> 01:28:08
			we should
		
01:28:10 --> 01:28:12
			move on to consider
		
01:28:13 --> 01:28:18
			although we've already learned a
certain amount about him, his
		
01:28:19 --> 01:28:24
			books or while his book really,
but there are two that are
		
01:28:24 --> 01:28:26
			significant in the early spread of
his mouth hub.
		
01:28:28 --> 01:28:32
			These are amongst the most
influential texts in Islam. The
		
01:28:32 --> 01:28:34
			first of them is Alan Watts top
		
01:28:35 --> 01:28:38
			people think well this is the
sixth or seventh of the
		
01:28:39 --> 01:28:42
			sacred six Hadith collections,
which is a very kind of popular
		
01:28:42 --> 01:28:46
			way of seeing this six sound
Hadith collections but in fact
		
01:28:46 --> 01:28:50
			their sound Hadith and collections
that most of us will probably
		
01:28:50 --> 01:28:53
			never have heard of. Another
reason why you can't be a
		
01:28:53 --> 01:28:57
			fundamentalist in Islam is that
these Hadith are so numerous and
		
01:28:57 --> 01:28:58
			spread very widely.
		
01:29:00 --> 01:29:03
			Are these people who don't in the
Arabic who are telling you what
		
01:29:03 --> 01:29:07
			Islam is yelling away on YouTube
because of mosques enhanced
		
01:29:07 --> 01:29:08
			translation of Buhari
		
01:29:09 --> 01:29:12
			which version of Bihar is he using
didn't know there's different
		
01:29:12 --> 01:29:13
			versions of Buhari
		
01:29:15 --> 01:29:19
			it's a sorry sign of our decadence
unfortunately there's plenty of
		
01:29:19 --> 01:29:23
			Hadith that aren't in these Hadith
collections Hadith in
		
01:29:25 --> 01:29:28
			one of the she had Hadith in
		
01:29:30 --> 01:29:35
			a Kabir Martin in February top
Ronnie, Hadith in the more sunnah
		
01:29:36 --> 01:29:39
			of Abdul Razak, or even ABI
Shaybah, dozens and dozens and
		
01:29:39 --> 01:29:43
			hundreds of Hadith collections,
which also have Hadith in them
		
01:29:43 --> 01:29:46
			that the jurists will know and
will take into consideration of
		
01:29:46 --> 01:29:50
			this scripture, realizing of the
sound six as if as long as the
		
01:29:50 --> 01:29:54
			book and six more books is a
complete aberration and a kind of
		
01:29:54 --> 01:29:58
			bit of a westernizing of Islam, I
think. And all of those ideas are
		
01:29:58 --> 01:29:59
			never going to be translated
		
01:30:00 --> 01:30:00
			Got
		
01:30:01 --> 01:30:05
			a million Hadith in different
versions, and I don't think so.
		
01:30:05 --> 01:30:09
			Even though translation doesn't
give you access in a juridically
		
01:30:09 --> 01:30:12
			reliable way to the original, you
have to use Arabic. So
		
01:30:14 --> 01:30:15
			the water
		
01:30:17 --> 01:30:20
			effectively this is his own
compilation. He didn't write it
		
01:30:20 --> 01:30:27
			but it's verdicts of his and
Hadith, and sayings and reports of
		
01:30:27 --> 01:30:31
			the believers, particularly the
jurists of the city of Medina and
		
01:30:31 --> 01:30:32
			the word water
		
01:30:33 --> 01:30:34
			gives us a clue.
		
01:30:37 --> 01:30:43
			It means the approved what it what
it always kind of trample on in
		
01:30:43 --> 01:30:46
			other words, all of the animals
are coming to the watering hole
		
01:30:46 --> 01:30:49
			and leveling the ground. And this
is something that everybody has
		
01:30:49 --> 01:30:54
			been to and except so he says, I
showed my book to 70 jurists of
		
01:30:54 --> 01:30:59
			Medina and Kula home, water on the
LA they all agreed with me on it.
		
01:30:59 --> 01:31:01
			So I call it and what
		
01:31:03 --> 01:31:06
			I mentioned Epinal merger, Sean,
one of his teachers who also had a
		
01:31:06 --> 01:31:11
			matar, which was slightly earlier.
Malik has a disciple Ibn Webb who
		
01:31:11 --> 01:31:14
			also has on water so he wasn't the
only person to write a book called
		
01:31:14 --> 01:31:14
			on water.
		
01:31:16 --> 01:31:21
			Water is a collection of material
in the category called more sun
		
01:31:21 --> 01:31:21
			nuff
		
01:31:22 --> 01:31:27
			which means that it's arranged not
by narrator, but by subject, which
		
01:31:27 --> 01:31:32
			is useful Hadith collections that
must not have been handled,
		
01:31:33 --> 01:31:34
			narrated just by
		
01:31:35 --> 01:31:36
			the,
		
01:31:37 --> 01:31:39
			the narrator of the Hadith.
		
01:31:40 --> 01:31:45
			The sahabi, or the ones that you
get the Hadith from are rather
		
01:31:45 --> 01:31:49
			technical and difficult to use.
But this is narrated by arranged
		
01:31:49 --> 01:31:49
			by subject.
		
01:31:51 --> 01:31:55
			Again, those who think that you
can know what Islam is just by
		
01:31:55 --> 01:31:59
			pulling off the shelf
translations, or even single
		
01:31:59 --> 01:32:03
			editions should be aware of the
fact that the Mater is not just
		
01:32:03 --> 01:32:07
			there in a single version, but
there's maybe 75 different
		
01:32:07 --> 01:32:11
			versions of the water of Malik.
Again, this is our culture of
		
01:32:11 --> 01:32:14
			ambiguity idea. But it hard
sometimes for the modern mind.
		
01:32:14 --> 01:32:15
			I've read this in the water.
		
01:32:17 --> 01:32:22
			Okay, which more top? Did you look
at the manuscripts? Do you know
		
01:32:22 --> 01:32:26
			there's differences even about
that particular Mater, etc. We
		
01:32:26 --> 01:32:30
			tend not to go there because we're
just too lazy. And almost all of
		
01:32:30 --> 01:32:34
			these are actually Malik's own
recensions. He produces different
		
01:32:34 --> 01:32:37
			versions of his collection, which
is not kind of like a monograph
		
01:32:37 --> 01:32:40
			nowadays is perfect. I'm going to
send it to the University Press,
		
01:32:40 --> 01:32:46
			but rather, his systematic notes
is anthology of legal and
		
01:32:46 --> 01:32:49
			doctrinal material that evolves
over time. And the best known of
		
01:32:49 --> 01:32:52
			these is the ascension the version
of somebody called yeah, here,
		
01:32:52 --> 01:32:54
			then yeah, here a lacy,
		
01:32:55 --> 01:32:57
			who is a Spaniard is from Cordoba.
		
01:32:58 --> 01:33:03
			And it's perhaps the most widely
used recension, partly because he
		
01:33:03 --> 01:33:06
			was one of the last of Malik
students so he gets this text when
		
01:33:06 --> 01:33:07
			it's an evolved.
		
01:33:10 --> 01:33:13
			form, and Malik really respected
		
01:33:14 --> 01:33:17
			Jacobian he actually called him an
archeologist and the last the
		
01:33:17 --> 01:33:20
			intelligent man of Andalusia.
		
01:33:22 --> 01:33:25
			So, as well as there being
different mortals,
		
01:33:26 --> 01:33:31
			there are lots of commentaries, a
lot of countries on the water a
		
01:33:31 --> 01:33:34
			lot of the Indian scholars
produced scholars on water for
		
01:33:34 --> 01:33:37
			various reasons, the Indians have
always loved the book.
		
01:33:38 --> 01:33:41
			Perhaps the most famous commentary
is that of imminence or Kearney,
		
01:33:41 --> 01:33:45
			which is in four volumes, but
there are plenty of others. And
		
01:33:45 --> 01:33:48
			you really need to go into the
commentaries in order to see the
		
01:33:48 --> 01:33:52
			complexity of the interpreters
task, their commentaries, because
		
01:33:52 --> 01:33:54
			the texts are complicated.
		
01:33:57 --> 01:34:02
			So what is in it? Well, it
contains sound Hadith, it contains
		
01:34:02 --> 01:34:06
			sayings of the companions, fatwas
of the companions, and of the
		
01:34:06 --> 01:34:12
			tablet, I mean, and also Malik's
view, considered scrupulous
		
01:34:12 --> 01:34:14
			opinion writing on certain issues.
		
01:34:18 --> 01:34:21
			This famous isnaad, which we
mentioned, Malik
		
01:34:23 --> 01:34:27
			are nerfed and even Omar on the
Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wa
		
01:34:27 --> 01:34:32
			sallam is there in the Matahari
call it the most reliable of all
		
01:34:32 --> 01:34:34
			of the chains. There's 80
		
01:34:35 --> 01:34:37
			of these in the more top
		
01:34:45 --> 01:34:45
			and
		
01:34:48 --> 01:34:51
			scholars have debated and
continues to debate on the degree
		
01:34:51 --> 01:34:55
			of soundness of all of the Hadith
in the water.
		
01:34:56 --> 01:34:59
			So there's 222 is Nan
		
01:35:00 --> 01:35:05
			or Hadith was snared in the Yemen.
Yakir ascension of the moor,
		
01:35:06 --> 01:35:10
			which don't name the companion,
it's a hadith but it kind of skips
		
01:35:10 --> 01:35:13
			a generation. This is what's
called the morsel. There's a lot
		
01:35:13 --> 01:35:18
			of them in the MATA and in other
early Maliki texts and texts in
		
01:35:18 --> 01:35:22
			general. Dr. Omar in his book
Malika Medina explains this and
		
01:35:22 --> 01:35:28
			explains why, in some cases are
more subtle Hadith Hadith admits
		
01:35:28 --> 01:35:32
			the name of the sahabi is regarded
as having more evidentiary weight
		
01:35:33 --> 01:35:33
			than
		
01:35:34 --> 01:35:39
			a hadith which is Hadith in our
head sounds narrated in a single
		
01:35:39 --> 01:35:43
			line. And there's complex reasons
for that. It's certainly not an
		
01:35:43 --> 01:35:44
			example of his
		
01:35:45 --> 01:35:47
			carelessness.
		
01:35:49 --> 01:35:53
			Even Abdullah, but perhaps the
greatest mind who has applied
		
01:35:53 --> 01:35:57
			himself to the mortar at nominal
bar is
		
01:35:59 --> 01:36:03
			two or three centuries later, he's
from Cordoba, but travels
		
01:36:03 --> 01:36:08
			extensively and becomes the chief
body of Lisbon, and Osborn, which
		
01:36:08 --> 01:36:10
			of course, was Muslim city at the
time,
		
01:36:11 --> 01:36:15
			and writes this amazing thing
called kitab. A Tim heed.
		
01:36:17 --> 01:36:21
			One of the monuments of medieval
scholarship Kitab it Tim heed the
		
01:36:21 --> 01:36:24
			Murphy and water image on the
annual ehsani, which is a big
		
01:36:24 --> 01:36:30
			multi volume. Text, which is
basically a study of the isn't
		
01:36:30 --> 01:36:35
			adds many of the innards of the
water and establishing them and
		
01:36:35 --> 01:36:36
			analyzing them.
		
01:36:38 --> 01:36:42
			And his conclusion, which is
generally followed in the later
		
01:36:42 --> 01:36:46
			months, which is that there are
only four Hadith in the Mata,
		
01:36:46 --> 01:36:50
			which can be considered to be non
sati.
		
01:36:53 --> 01:36:57
			I've got a list of them here, but
perhaps time is pressing. The
		
01:36:58 --> 01:37:01
			other book which preserves Malik's
		
01:37:03 --> 01:37:04
			is called N word a winner
		
01:37:06 --> 01:37:09
			sometimes cause more than one
that's known. This is not compiled
		
01:37:09 --> 01:37:14
			by malloc himself. And it's much
bigger. What it contains basically
		
01:37:14 --> 01:37:19
			is Malik's legal views that were
collected during his lifetime. And
		
01:37:19 --> 01:37:24
			also fatwas, which were Anna
logically deduced from his fatwas.
		
01:37:25 --> 01:37:30
			So it's a text of the early Maliki
madhhab, really, rather than Manix
		
01:37:30 --> 01:37:35
			own book. Again, the problem with
this is that, although it contains
		
01:37:36 --> 01:37:39
			it's one of the most important
sources we have the social and
		
01:37:39 --> 01:37:40
			legal life of early Islam,
		
01:37:42 --> 01:37:46
			there isn't really a good edition
of it. There's an old one, which
		
01:37:46 --> 01:37:49
			everybody used to use a recall, it
was on sale on kind of
		
01:37:50 --> 01:37:52
			tobacconist shops in Cairo.
		
01:37:54 --> 01:37:57
			But it was based on a Moroccan
manuscript, which now nobody can
		
01:37:57 --> 01:38:02
			find. And there's also one that
came out about 15 years ago in Abu
		
01:38:02 --> 01:38:05
			Dhabi, because the Emirates is
still technically a Maliki
		
01:38:06 --> 01:38:06
			country.
		
01:38:07 --> 01:38:10
			But that is also quite problematic
because it doesn't really explain
		
01:38:10 --> 01:38:14
			which manuscripts it's used. So we
don't have a stable text for this.
		
01:38:14 --> 01:38:18
			Unfortunately, it's been worked on
by somebody called Mick lush
		
01:38:18 --> 01:38:23
			morani, who is one of the great
historians of early Islamic law,
		
01:38:23 --> 01:38:27
			and particularly of the Maliki
madhhab, who's spent much of his
		
01:38:27 --> 01:38:32
			life in the libraries of Cairo
one, which is this great city,
		
01:38:32 --> 01:38:38
			inland city of Tunisia, which has
some very, very ancient Maliki
		
01:38:38 --> 01:38:42
			texts, including versions of the
Madonna, but also other early
		
01:38:43 --> 01:38:47
			Maliki texts and we're stuck Raja,
the otter the year, the malware
		
01:38:47 --> 01:38:52
			Zia, of Ibn Mo was a while they
have as long as the model as well
		
01:38:52 --> 01:38:56
			as the Madonna, these other
compendium of Maliki law. And
		
01:38:56 --> 01:38:58
			here's some some very ancient
fragments of those which
		
01:38:58 --> 01:39:03
			apparently don't exist anywhere
else. So the main channel for
		
01:39:03 --> 01:39:07
			modern winner is somebody called
Epital Qasim, who was one of Malik
		
01:39:07 --> 01:39:12
			style pupils who spent 20 years
keeping his clothes company, again
		
01:39:12 --> 01:39:16
			a very austere figure of interest
solely Sufis as well he read the
		
01:39:16 --> 01:39:20
			entire Quran every day. And
		
01:39:21 --> 01:39:25
			another figure associated with it
is somebody called ash hab, who is
		
01:39:25 --> 01:39:30
			the Chief coffee of Egypt. And
then samnaun ibn Saeed who's
		
01:39:30 --> 01:39:35
			buried in in either one. It's
quite a big Mazhar. Who is the
		
01:39:35 --> 01:39:37
			chief Gaudi of pirate one
		
01:39:38 --> 01:39:44
			who studied in Medina under some
of Malik's pupils
		
01:39:48 --> 01:39:51
			Yeah, another leadership example.
So he's always
		
01:39:53 --> 01:39:57
			felt that he was not competent to
be a judge. This is understandable
		
01:39:58 --> 01:39:59
			at the age of 74
		
01:40:00 --> 01:40:05
			As the governor of rapier North
Africa, presses him, we really
		
01:40:05 --> 01:40:08
			need a good judge, you're the man
for the job. This is your
		
01:40:08 --> 01:40:13
			responsibility. As he says, I
agree on condition that I have the
		
01:40:13 --> 01:40:17
			right to prosecute members of your
family. If you've done anything
		
01:40:17 --> 01:40:20
			wrong, that's the that's the deal
has to go in the contract.
		
01:40:21 --> 01:40:27
			So he was always very courteous in
his court, but he never allowed
		
01:40:28 --> 01:40:33
			official representatives, any kind
of concessions. So if the ruler or
		
01:40:33 --> 01:40:36
			somebody from the government
wanted to be represented in the
		
01:40:36 --> 01:40:38
			court, they would have to come
themselves, they couldn't just
		
01:40:38 --> 01:40:40
			send an official or a proxy.
		
01:40:42 --> 01:40:45
			We're told that when it comes
satin on died, that Amir's family
		
01:40:45 --> 01:40:49
			also crossed with him that they
refuse to attend his Jenessa.
		
01:40:51 --> 01:40:55
			He always refused to accept a
salary from the state. He was a
		
01:40:55 --> 01:41:00
			judge, but for free, and a great
backer. So famously, he was a big
		
01:41:00 --> 01:41:04
			test via prayer prayer beads on
his neck while he was he was
		
01:41:04 --> 01:41:04
			judging.
		
01:41:06 --> 01:41:11
			So he is one of the contributing
thinkers of the modern wanna
		
01:41:13 --> 01:41:18
			works with Immanuel Qasim. But our
understanding of the text is that
		
01:41:18 --> 01:41:21
			essentially, it's there to deal
with difficult technical
		
01:41:21 --> 01:41:25
			questions, which are really not
covered in mallex. More.
		
01:41:26 --> 01:41:30
			And on those issues, it can be
amazingly detailed.
		
01:41:31 --> 01:41:34
			But on other issues, that seems to
be quite short. So some scholars
		
01:41:34 --> 01:41:37
			have wondered why that should be
it doesn't seem consistent. The
		
01:41:37 --> 01:41:40
			reason why it tends to be short on
some issues is generally that
		
01:41:40 --> 01:41:42
			those issues which have been
covered in some other text in the
		
01:41:42 --> 01:41:44
			mouth have been particularly in
the water.
		
01:41:45 --> 01:41:51
			So we should draw this to a close,
we can see that even though I've
		
01:41:51 --> 01:41:55
			just been talking about a lawyer
jurisprudence, we see in our
		
01:41:55 --> 01:41:58
			civilization, this is really where
the essence of life is. This is
		
01:41:58 --> 01:42:03
			where the divine through morality
intersects with the grittiness of
		
01:42:03 --> 01:42:06
			people's lives, and the function
of the jurist is conscientiously
		
01:42:06 --> 01:42:10
			and in an egoless way, to create a
path for people to engage
		
01:42:10 --> 01:42:15
			positively with a gift of life,
and God's creation, but at the
		
01:42:15 --> 01:42:20
			same time to see everything as
sacred. So this is religious law,
		
01:42:20 --> 01:42:26
			but it's sacred law. But it isn't
really Islamic law in the sense
		
01:42:26 --> 01:42:28
			that a lot of modern modern
Muslims understand it, or the
		
01:42:28 --> 01:42:31
			journalists understand it, it is a
legal tradition.
		
01:42:32 --> 01:42:35
			And the Maliki are sold
particularly that the respect and
		
01:42:35 --> 01:42:40
			the veneration for the people of
Medina, represents a Maliki way of
		
01:42:40 --> 01:42:44
			doing business with the
revelation. But the Iraqi way is
		
01:42:44 --> 01:42:46
			quite different to that becomes
the Hanafi madhhab, which
		
01:42:46 --> 01:42:50
			interacts with a mannequin that is
different. The chef a way is
		
01:42:50 --> 01:42:53
			different, the humbly way tends to
accept certain categories of
		
01:42:54 --> 01:42:57
			Hadith at face value, that the
Malik is and the Hanafis won't
		
01:42:57 --> 01:43:01
			accept these different methods.
And that also reminds us of the
		
01:43:01 --> 01:43:06
			point that I started off with,
which is this very striking pleura
		
01:43:06 --> 01:43:12
			vocality, of classical Islam, that
they had this reactive enough that
		
01:43:12 --> 01:43:17
			they preserved differences. And
even though the followers of the
		
01:43:17 --> 01:43:20
			math hubs, human beings, nature,
human nature being what it is,
		
01:43:20 --> 01:43:23
			sometimes there were acerbic
relations between them,
		
01:43:23 --> 01:43:29
			nonetheless, Sunni Islam becomes
this family of opinions and
		
01:43:29 --> 01:43:32
			methodologies, not just in the
furore the actual rulings of the
		
01:43:32 --> 01:43:37
			law. But in the whole method, the
legal philosophy, the theology, of
		
01:43:37 --> 01:43:41
			how you engage with the text is
quite different, as well. So
		
01:43:41 --> 01:43:45
			that's the point that I think we
have to end with that we have in
		
01:43:45 --> 01:43:49
			our civilization, heroes and
leaders, like Imam Malik, who
		
01:43:49 --> 01:43:53
			managed to combine an absolute
refusal of any kind of compromise
		
01:43:53 --> 01:43:59
			in matters related to God's
religion with the equal certainty
		
01:43:59 --> 01:44:02
			that God's religion has to be
multiple and has to have respect
		
01:44:02 --> 01:44:08
			for different views, different
interpretations, FTF, he had to
		
01:44:08 --> 01:44:11
			arrowed all of these things that
become really what it is, at least
		
01:44:11 --> 01:44:16
			until the 19th century to be a
Muslim of the Atlas underworld. So
		
01:44:16 --> 01:44:18
			I could talk about Imam Malik all
day, we've just scratched the
		
01:44:18 --> 01:44:22
			surface and much of the greatness
of his soul is to be found in the
		
01:44:22 --> 01:44:27
			actual details of his his rulings.
But in sha Allah this is at least
		
01:44:27 --> 01:44:30
			incentivized us to learn more
about him Rahmatullahi Allah He
		
01:44:31 --> 01:44:33
			was aleikum wa rahmatullah.
		
01:44:34 --> 01:44:38
			Cambridge Muslim College, training
the next generation of Muslim
		
01:44:38 --> 01:44:39
			thinkers