Abdal Hakim Murad – Abdul Majid Daryabadi Paradigms of Leadership

Abdal Hakim Murad
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The history and cultural significance of the British Raj, the influence of the Tomsimat reforms on the cultural and political boundaries of the world, and the importance of studying the experience of the catastrophe of the First World War and dis Texs the light of the universe to encourage people to be more sober. The holy Bible is a combination of words, phrases, and subheadings, creating a complicated translation that is a combination of multiple words, phrases, and subheadings, and is not a translation. The holy Bible is used in various political settings, including the rise of Islam and the need for practical lessons to be learned. The importance of the holy Bible in modern times is discussed, including its use in various political settings and the rise of Islam.

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			Assalamu alaykum.
		
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			And welcome to the I don't know how
		
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			many episodes we've had so far of these
		
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			paradigms of leadership sessions.
		
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			But in every case, I think we have
		
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			experienced the truth of the Alemaz dictum that
		
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			be
		
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			dhikrihim
		
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			tanzilurrahma.
		
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			By remembering the great ones of the Ummah,
		
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			mercy descends upon us.
		
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			We do not have the contemporary cult of
		
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			celebrity
		
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			in
		
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			the
		
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			Islamic context, which is all about ego.
		
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			But instead,
		
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			we respect
		
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			and find blessings in
		
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			those whose lives have been uplifted and transformed
		
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			and illuminated
		
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			by the following of the chosen one, sallallahu
		
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			alaihi wa sallam, who is the paradigm of
		
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			all of these paradigms. To the extent that
		
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			we are inspired by him and submit to
		
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			his way,
		
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			we become Islamic. There's no other way.
		
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			So these are all different facets of the
		
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			diamond
		
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			of the chosen one
		
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			All of these individuals who took themselves to
		
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			be
		
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			stepping humbly and at
		
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			varying degrees of distance
		
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			in his footsteps.
		
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			The footsteps in which
		
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			so many flowers grew.
		
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			And,
		
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			we began this series really by looking at
		
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			one of the transitional figures,
		
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			Imam Shamil,
		
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			the great Mujahid scholar
		
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			of
		
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			the Caucasus
		
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			of the Tavistain
		
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			Adar borders,
		
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			and considered ways in which the still entirely
		
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			traditional world of Islam
		
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			was being challenged in the mid 19th century
		
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			by being pitched
		
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			headlong against its will
		
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			into
		
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			European
		
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			modernity.
		
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			Unable to resist that encounter
		
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			because of the military
		
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			technological
		
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			prowess
		
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			of the European
		
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			peoples who had, as it were, sold their
		
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			religiosity
		
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			in order
		
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			to buy
		
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			mechanical physical mastery.
		
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			And so the ancient
		
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			process whereby
		
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			the older religions,
		
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			understood by the olema as abrogated
		
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			earlier versions
		
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			of the one true faith,
		
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			were naturally
		
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			receding,
		
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			started to be reversed in ways that the
		
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			olamat found it very difficult to understand,
		
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			often an extremely brutal process.
		
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			Islam came to Europe
		
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			at its greatest moments of its
		
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			high tide,
		
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			reached the Pyrenees
		
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			and beyond,
		
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			crossed the Saint Bernard's Pass, even the heights
		
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			of
		
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			Switzerland.
		
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			And then to the east, of course,
		
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			the Muslims of Russia,
		
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			Islam reaching Russia
		
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			before Christianity
		
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			reaches Russia.
		
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			And then in the Balkans,
		
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			cities like Budapest,
		
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			So much
		
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			has been touched and illuminated
		
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			by the spirit of Islam, not just for
		
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			the illumination
		
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			of
		
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			the Muslims who came,
		
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			but those who were protected
		
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			by Islam, particularly
		
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			the Jewish communities
		
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			and other minorities
		
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			in Islam's
		
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			very cosmopolitan vision
		
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			of
		
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			how a decent human society
		
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			is constituted
		
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			and then pushed back
		
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			with the most excruciating
		
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			cruelty and violence
		
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			in the west, the inquisition,
		
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			and in the east,
		
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			the destruction of the Muslims after the
		
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			defeat at Kazan. So in the west,
		
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			Pedro the Cruel,
		
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			in the east,
		
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			Ivan the Terrible.
		
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			And this process went on, the destruction of
		
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			Circassia, which we looked at briefly, and then
		
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			the the appalling Russian penetration of the Caucasus
		
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			and Imam Shamil defending his people
		
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			with his ancient musket
		
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			in that time of massive European triumphalism.
		
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			And this mid 19th century period is the
		
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			time of Iqam Adl Qadir Raja Zaire
		
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			in the Islamic West.
		
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			And it's the time of the Tomsimat,
		
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			the great reforms, the modernizing Europeanizing,
		
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			reforms whereby the Turkish empire becomes part of
		
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			the Concert of Europe,
		
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			part of the international system of nation states.
		
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			The sultan moves into a European style palace,
		
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			Dolmabahce. And the 1850s really are gigantically important
		
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			as a kind of symbol of the Islamic
		
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			world having to
		
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			play this Western game in order to hold
		
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			on to its remaining territories.
		
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			We looked a few sessions ago at one
		
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			of the figures further east who were engaged
		
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			in this process of dialogue and retrenchment.
		
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			That was more like a Hossein Ahmed Madani,
		
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			of,
		
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			one of the great scholars of of Dar
		
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			Olom
		
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			Deoband,
		
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			and, great great inspiration.
		
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			And I want to go back to India
		
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			today,
		
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			partly because,
		
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			it's one of the great hubs of Islamic
		
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			civilization.
		
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			One could even just about make the claim
		
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			if you visit
		
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			the museums,
		
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			the summit of Islamic civilization.
		
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			Maybe the arts and the literature of the
		
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			Mughal Empire were greater than the arts and
		
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			the literature of the, say, Ottoman Empire or
		
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			Safavid Empires. You could
		
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			make that claim
		
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			If you look at the just the cultural
		
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			productions,
		
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			the stonework of Fatehpur Sikri, the the textiles,
		
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			the
		
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			music,
		
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			the cuisine,
		
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			the Taj Mahal. It's one of the great
		
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			summits of human civilization, or I might even
		
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			say
		
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			the summit of human civilization. It's a subjective
		
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			judgment of course, but
		
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			but pretty unsurpassable.
		
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			And this
		
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			civilization of the sacred
		
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			with its olema and its munchis and its
		
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			Khwarajas
		
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			and its extraordinary
		
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			upliftment of the story of Hind
		
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			becomes colonised
		
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			by the archpragmatists
		
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			of Europe,
		
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			the traitor English.
		
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			They go there, not really for Christianity the
		
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			way that, you know, Jesuits had done and
		
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			the Portuguese had done.
		
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			They go there to cut a deal. East
		
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			India Company is a big multinational,
		
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			which is emphatically
		
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			profane,
		
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			materialistic
		
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			in its purposes.
		
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			And this is the nature of the modern
		
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			world. The modern world is about business. What
		
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			is Brexit about? It's about getting the deal.
		
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			It's not really about the symbolism of Western
		
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			civilization and unity or none of those philosophical
		
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			things. Still less spiritual things are mentioned or
		
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			even
		
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			on the minds of any of the negotiators.
		
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			It's about
		
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			fisheries and access to markets, and that's the
		
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			level the civilization seems to be operating on.
		
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			But the British are already there,
		
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			in India
		
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			to cut a deal after Clive, the Battle
		
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			of Plessis, the destruction of Tipu Sultan. And
		
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			then 1857,
		
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			right in the middle of this decade that
		
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			we're * as the watershed time for the
		
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			Ummah.
		
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			1857,
		
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			the First Indian War of Independence, the Uprising,
		
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			whatever you choose to call it, the last
		
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			gasp
		
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			of the old order
		
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			and the arrest,
		
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			the deportation
		
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			and scenes of considerable
		
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			misery
		
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			of the last moron
		
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			and his exile
		
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			and the catastrophic
		
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			end, symbolic end by this time, because his
		
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			reign really is just in the old city
		
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			of Delhi, but still he is walking the
		
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			house.
		
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			That means something.
		
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			And then the East India Company becomes the
		
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			British Raj,
		
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			and a different kind of discourse, which is
		
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			actually harder to accommodate,
		
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			comes about. Because the East India Company had
		
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			claimed to be about
		
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			textiles from Bengal
		
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			and opium
		
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			and whatever made, made
		
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			money.
		
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			The Raj claimed itself to be a more
		
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			civilizational exercise, the white man's burden,
		
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			and became in its time the operator of
		
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			a kind of soft apartheid separate
		
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			railway compartments for Europeans and natives. That that
		
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			thing
		
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			that the Raj did, which was not what
		
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			the East India Company had done, where intermarriage
		
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			and a lot of cultural curiosity was was
		
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			pretty normal.
		
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			And the old days when it was assumed
		
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			that if you were a collector or a
		
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			judge in the British influenced parts of India,
		
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			then you could deal
		
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			respectfully with the culture of the natives by
		
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			learning Persian in particular.
		
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			That became less common.
		
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			And a certain
		
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			cantonment
		
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			mentality developed. And this was a new scenario
		
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			for the olema. And
		
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			the adjustment was a painful one.
		
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			And in a sense,
		
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			was
		
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			more intense than that that, say, the Ottoman
		
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			olema found themselves confronting. Because until the end
		
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			of the First World War, there were no
		
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			Christian soldiers occupying Constantinople. But
		
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			in India,
		
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			it was
		
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			a daily
		
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			reality, the missionaries, the new churches,
		
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			the railways,
		
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			the
		
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			the white man's burden,
		
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			a painful experience.
		
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			So we can learn a lot, even though
		
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			we're now 2 centuries later,
		
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			from that first Muslim
		
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			impacting
		
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			of the full tradition
		
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			and the very pragmatic materialist Mercantile mentality of
		
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			the British Raj and
		
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			its
		
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			assumption
		
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			of its right to prevail civilizationally.
		
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			And the story will be familiar to many
		
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			of the reactions of the olema and the
		
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			Muslim elites, which were all over the place.
		
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			From a certain
		
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			retrenchment
		
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			of tradition
		
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			and,
		
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			an ideologizing
		
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			in certain ways
		
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			of aspects of subcontinental
		
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			Islam, the development of the deal band
		
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			and Braille v traditions,
		
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			the emergence of Ahlil Hadith type fundamentalisms,
		
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			the development of mashrabs and madhabs, and the
		
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			concretizing of certain strands that have been distinct
		
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			in Indian Islam for a long time, but,
		
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			which had been less sectarian
		
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			in the past.
		
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			The beginning of significant
		
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			a significant sense of Sunni, Shi
		
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			differentiation.
		
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			It was an age of sectarianism
		
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			against the backdrop of what should we do
		
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			with this new catastrophe.
		
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			And some
		
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			took the opposite view, if you can't beat
		
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			them join them.
		
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			Why are we defeated? It's because we didn't
		
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			get to these scientific truths first. We didn't
		
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			have Galileo, we didn't have Copernicus, we didn't
		
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			have Newton.
		
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			And therefore we weren't able to defend ourselves
		
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			with the technologies that come from those scientific
		
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			world views. And so a certain type of
		
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			scientific
		
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			apologia became quite common. Mulvee Chirag Ali, an
		
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			example of somebody who's even quite happy to
		
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			throw out
		
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			the the scriptural
		
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			baby with the bathwater of tradition.
		
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			So, Sayed Ahmad Khan, founder of the Aligarh
		
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			Movement, more considerable personality perhaps, but still somebody
		
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			who's an arch modernist,
		
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			and very keen to allegorize
		
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			and interpret away any thing in the tradition
		
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			that seemed not to fit his very
		
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			Victorian, science oriented
		
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			world
		
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			view.
		
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			So a world of real bifurcations. And of
		
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			course, on the ground, the ordinary Muslims are
		
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			still going to the piers and the the
		
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			mazaars.
		
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			And life for them, more or less, continues
		
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			unabated, unlike French colonialism,
		
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			which wanted to change everybody and evolve the
		
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			Muslims' degree. And mussouement
		
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			evolue, an evolved Muslim. In other words, a
		
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			Frenchified Muslim. There's no other model of evolution.
		
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			The British were content to allow
		
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			local
		
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			institutions,
		
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			sacred spaces,
		
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			urban fabrics to
		
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			continue
		
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			unimpeded
		
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			to a considerable extent.
		
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			Now we saw with with the sort of
		
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			the Erband
		
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			idea and with Hossein Ahmed Madani in particular,
		
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			what you might describe as
		
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			a continuation
		
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			rather than a break with the past, but
		
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			one that nonetheless was alert to a new
		
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			set of questions which were being asked of
		
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			and by the Muslim elite.
		
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			Whatever
		
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			happened, it was clear that one couldn't just
		
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			continue with the magnificent world of the peacock
		
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			throne and
		
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			the the courtiers that was
		
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			coming to an end. And even the little
		
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			replications of it in the courts of Hyderabad,
		
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			Bhopal, Ud and wherever were kind of
		
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			clearly their days were numbered as
		
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			the,
		
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			they went riding with the saabs and the
		
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			local collectors, and they joined the clubs, and
		
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			they went to public schools, went to rugby,
		
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			eaten and so forth. And that world
		
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			was also being
		
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			anglicised. That didn't seem to be a place
		
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			where the tradition could continue
		
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			uninterruptedly.
		
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			There was a sense of hiatus
		
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			and discontinuity, but we saw with Madani
		
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			the continuation certainly of a kind of Tassowoff,
		
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			the Hanavi Mathab,
		
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			the Maturidi Aqeda,
		
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			and the the Chishti Sabari line from *
		
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			Imdadullah Maki in particular, who we looked at
		
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			as as an example of a
		
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			sober, but nonetheless
		
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			charismatic,
		
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			figure from from the the Chishti line.
		
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			The sage who lived in the forest and
		
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			then came out to inspire
		
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			the the Olamath,
		
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			great commentator on the Masnavi, the significance of
		
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			Rumi in all of this. And this continues
		
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			way back in India
		
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			and goes on to inspire
		
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			Bertrand Iqbal and continues to be
		
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			exemplary.
		
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			Molina,
		
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			Rashid Ahmed Gangohi,
		
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			who dies right at the beginning of 20th
		
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			century, that world
		
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			is also
		
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			in response
		
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			to the new facts of
		
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			the raj.
		
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			But the individual I want to talk about
		
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			today is
		
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			indicative of the crisis in a different way.
		
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			And somebody who partook of the darkest aspects
		
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			of the crisis for a certain
		
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			significant period of his life.
		
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			This is Maulana, as it's generally called. Although
		
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			he didn't go to a Dar ul Olam.
		
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			Abdul Majid Daria Bedi,
		
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			who died in 1977,
		
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			so part of our modernity, really.
		
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			Died in in Lucknow.
		
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			And
		
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			what's interesting well, there's many things that are
		
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			interesting and kind of indicative symptomatic about his
		
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			life, which
		
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			as is normally the case with a with
		
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			a with an alim, is not kind of
		
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			the imam Shamil idea of jumping over the
		
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			heads of the astonished Russian soldiers to fight
		
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			another day. It's not that kind of,
		
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			heroism, but but still
		
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			a jihad with a qalam,
		
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			if not with a qadam,
		
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			with
		
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			pen, not with physically marching out.
		
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			And known
		
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			and this seems to be a particular feature
		
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			of the Indian tradition at the time, as
		
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			a Quranic scholar.
		
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			Well, there are so many others,
		
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			who are writing tafsirs,
		
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			who were reflecting on the Quran.
		
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			This is to some extent because of the
		
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			apologetic environment
		
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			that the missionaries,
		
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			the rationalists,
		
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			and the British are just looking at the
		
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			Muslim scripture, the Quran, and taking it apart,
		
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			rearranging it, figuring out
		
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			how to criticize it,
		
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			how to pull the rug from beneath the
		
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			epistemic unity of the Mohammedan population in order
		
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			to either make them go to Church of
		
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			England services in Simla or something, or just,
		
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			you know, to take away from their minds
		
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			any thought of
		
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			independence
		
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			and autonomy to make them,
		
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			subaltern
		
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			subject of the colonial state.
		
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			And,
		
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			this focus on the Quran, which really is
		
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			the kind of great love of,
		
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			Daria Bedi's life,
		
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			is, as I say, something that's very emblematically
		
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			Indian. So I want I want
		
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			to talk about,
		
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			Dariabadi in particular,
		
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			not just because his life is interesting and
		
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			indicative, but because of so many larger issues
		
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			about tradition and modernity.
		
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			And how these paradigms of leadership
		
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			adjust to the
		
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			historically unparalleled
		
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			challenges of,
		
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			of of modernity
		
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			and the unexpected
		
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			regrowth
		
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			of,
		
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			empowered
		
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			Ahl al Khitab opposition to the Tawhid of
		
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			Islam.
		
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			So,
		
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			Dariabad is this small town in UP,
		
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			Uttar Pradesh, then the United
		
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			Provinces,
		
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			which in many ways is the kind of
		
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			intellectual and spiritual heartland of Islam in Hindustan
		
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			generally.
		
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			Deoband,
		
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			of Lucknow, of Saharanpur,
		
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			Delhi. This is kind of it was the
		
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			core of the Mughal Empire, core of the
		
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			intellectual
		
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			life of of that world.
		
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			Now he's
		
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			from a kind of subcontinental
		
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			Islam is kind of divided into groups and
		
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			not quite castes, but family groups. You've got
		
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			the Chaudhris in the east. You've got the
		
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			Memans. You've got,
		
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			it's a big
		
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			deal in the subcontinent. He's from the kind
		
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			of Kwidway
		
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			caste or class, and you get Kridways to
		
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			this day in that region, particularly in Lucknow,
		
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			and also some in Karachi and elsewhere.
		
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			From the Arabic word Qudwa
		
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			Qudwatul Allahma or Qudwatul Qudat, because the
		
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			eponymous semi imaginary ancestor
		
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			of, these people was a was a certain
		
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			more, is the Deen,
		
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			who came to India, we're told, with one
		
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			of the the Afghan
		
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			waves of conquerors and settles in Ayodhya.
		
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			Famous Babri mosque in Ayodhya, now being rededicated
		
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			an
		
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			idol temple.
		
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			And,
		
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			the the Gidway family, which continues to produce
		
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			eminent scholars in the subcontinent
		
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			and populate the universities there,
		
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			have supplied the the basic bio data. So
		
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			most of this talk is going to be
		
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			based on this actually quite palatable, readable
		
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			book. Journey of Faith Molana Abdulmajid Daria Bedi.
		
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			Ibrahim Kidway is one of the
		
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			editors. There's a lot of biodata in there
		
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			as well. It's not just,
		
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			selected very useful translations into English of pieces
		
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			by him and about him. It's quite a
		
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			useful kind of work. It's quite recent. We
		
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			have it in the library here at CMC.
		
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			So I'm going to be following this story.
		
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			So there's this story of the Qiguays and
		
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			how they came to India.
		
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			Some modern olemmah have wondered about the wisdom
		
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			of the propensity of the Muslims in Hindustan,
		
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			unlike, say, the Muslims of the Balkans,
		
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			or of China,
		
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			or elsewhere
		
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			to proudly trace their ancestry
		
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			back to non Hindustani
		
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			places because, of course, this provides ammunition
		
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			for the Hindu nationalists who say, they're just
		
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			colonists.
		
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			You don't really belong.
		
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			But after so much so many a 1000
		
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			years of intermarriage and so forth, there is
		
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			ethnically
		
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			Indian as
		
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			anybody else. And the
		
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			just to open a parenthesis here, the
		
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			the richness of this tradition,
		
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			which even after the the pushing over of
		
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			the Mughals by the Marathas, and then finally
		
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			by the,
		
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			by the the English,
		
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			generated such extraordinary and unprecedented cultural richnesses in
		
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			India, the tourists.
		
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			They want to see the Taj Mahal. They
		
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			want to see the Red Fort. They want
		
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			to see, you know, the wonders of
		
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			Muslim India.
		
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			And they'll go and see Hindu temples and
		
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			so forth. But it's it's the Mughal achievements
		
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			that are the jewels in the crown of
		
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			India that
		
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			many thoughtful Indians,
		
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			Arundhati Roy, for instance, are saying
		
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			there is no better way of reducing the
		
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			world's respect for India than denying this Muslim
		
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			sort of summit,
		
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			this jewel in the crown, this extraordinary, you
		
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			know, wealth. And you visit the Victoria and
		
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			Albert Museum in London at the Nehru Gallery.
		
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			And there's Hindu stuff there, but the Muslim
		
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			stuff is where you get the crowds.
		
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			It's so amazing.
		
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			So Hindu nationalism
		
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			is not the same as Indian nationalism,
		
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			because India is not just a Hindu thing,
		
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			but is an accumulation as a cosmopolitan region
		
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			of other things as well that that represent
		
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			part of its greatness and,
		
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			it's anyway,
		
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			one of the reasons, I think, why you
		
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			get more and more converts to Islam from
		
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			Hinduism, and we see this
		
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			really quite strikingly, is because,
		
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			the Hindutva thing is
		
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			turning the Hindu identity into yet another kind
		
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			of nasty religious
		
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			nationalism. A lot of people are kind of
		
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			repelled from that and looking for alternatives.
		
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			So one of the silver linings of this
		
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			Modi type chauvinism
		
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			seems to be a migration of young,
		
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			thoughtful Indians in the direction of Islam and
		
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			sometimes other religions as well.
		
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			In any case, that that's another story, but
		
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			the point is these people really see themselves
		
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			as Indian,
		
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			as part of the Hindustan
		
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			development that was
		
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			the Vedas and then the Dravidian, the Aryan
		
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			invasions, and these accumulations of people who come
		
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			from outside to bring it up, to become
		
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			this sort of cultural
		
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			amazement,
		
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			that was that was India.
		
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			So
		
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			this idea that away from elsewhere is not
		
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			is a kind of a 2 edged sword.
		
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			But in any case,
		
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			if any of them has a DNA test,
		
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			you can see
		
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			99%
		
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			Indian.
		
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			The nationalist thing doesn't really work. But,
		
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			his great ancestor, who is a more historical
		
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			figure,
		
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			Khwaja Mahdoum
		
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			Abkesh.
		
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			Abkesh just means he brought water to a
		
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			desiccated place.
		
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			Settled in Dariabad,
		
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			which is a small town, still a small
		
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			town in UP. And the family are based
		
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			there.
		
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			His grandfather, Dari Bedi's
		
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			grandfather,
		
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			is certainly
		
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			a Maulana in the tradition of of Olamat,
		
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			of the Firangi Mahal Olamat of Lucknow, kind
		
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			of rationalising traditionalist
		
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			scholars, big on logic, kalam, that kind of
		
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			of of rationality.
		
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			This is Mufti Mozar Karim.
		
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			He supports,
		
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			of course, the Indian side
		
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			against the British
		
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			in 1857.
		
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			Hard
		
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			not to if you're an Alim.
		
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			And the British
		
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			don't shoot him out of a cannon
		
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			the way they do with some others, but
		
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			they exile him to the Andaman Islands,
		
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			which is their kind of India's Australia penal
		
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			colony,
		
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			where he stays for several years and
		
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			continues to translate and write books as an
		
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			indefatigable scholar. He manages to get
		
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			paper. He he writes on firq and tasawaf
		
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			and does a
		
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			medieval Arabic text on
		
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			on on geography. He's
		
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			not phased by this at all.
		
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			His son,
		
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			Mufti Mozar's son, Mavi Abdul Kadri, is also
		
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			a graduate of this Firangi Mahal.
		
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			Firangi Mahal is the district of the Europeans.
		
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			That's what Firangi Mahal means, which is kind
		
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			of if you're in Lucknow, it's the Chalk
		
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			meeting Victoria Road, and the place is still
		
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			known and pointed out. But this becomes a
		
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			great sort of center,
		
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			originally quite an informal way for,
		
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			Hanafi olamah of the strongly rationalizing Matoridi tradition
		
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			that comes originally through a genealogy going back
		
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			to Samarkand and the Maturidis
		
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			of of Samarkand,
		
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			very developed karam tradition.
		
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			So,
		
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			Dariya Bhatti's father is also from that from
		
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			that world.
		
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			But this is now the Raj,
		
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			and he in order to sustain himself, the
		
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			Mughals are gone. If you want a decent,
		
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			honorable
		
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			living, you somehow have to deal with the
		
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			fact of the British
		
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			structure.
		
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			So he becomes deputy collector
		
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			in several districts in UP, which is a
		
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			pretty,
		
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			decent kind of job. Moves around, knows English.
		
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			It's really important to understand that Daria Bedi,
		
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			even though his further ancestors,
		
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			Wunshi's, Malvies,
		
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			poets,
		
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			that they're already accommodating themselves to the new
		
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			British reality.
		
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			Speaking English,
		
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			getting on with British railway officials and so
		
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			forth.
		
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			But he's still the father was still devout.
		
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			A lover of the Quran, a lover of
		
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			Persian poetry, a lover of Urdu poetry,
		
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			and also known to have been respected by
		
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			the Hindus. And in the context of modern
		
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			Indian nationalism, it's important to remember that these
		
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			traditional people
		
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			had developed for years a close modus vivendi
		
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			with the Hindu
		
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			classes who all also are lovers of of
		
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			Persian poetry
		
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			and accommodated
		
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			to the same world. So,
		
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			that's his father, Rahmatullah.
		
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			His mother,
		
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			Nasirun Nisa.
		
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			The women are important in these stories, but
		
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			because they are master art,
		
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			their world is not the documented world of
		
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			the public space,
		
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			but the no less significant world of the
		
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			home, which
		
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			is particularly important in that this is where
		
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			the new generation is being
		
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			shaped and schooled. Women have a particularly
		
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			significant
		
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			role.
		
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			So when we look at her life, we
		
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			see the real conservatism
		
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			of these families at the time.
		
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			When she took the train,
		
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			they had to book a whole railway compartment
		
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			in case some strange man came.
		
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			She didn't wait on the platform,
		
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			but she came in a kind of palanquin
		
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			that was carried by bearers with curtains,
		
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			which was put into the train,
		
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			and she'd get out when she was in
		
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			the train. So nobody could see anything at
		
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			all. This was the real street.
		
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			Purda.
		
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			So she's from that world, but she's a
		
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			lover of the Quran. She says tahajjud every
		
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			night. She's really active in her world,
		
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			which is a world
		
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			of sadaqa,
		
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			looking after orphans, feeding the poor. And orphans
		
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			are one of the instruments of Islamisation
		
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			in India because there's famines and famines and
		
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			famines, and a lot of people died. The
		
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			country is full of orphans.
		
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			Muslim or Hindu orphans, they get taken in
		
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			by these big
		
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			traditional
		
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			Elizabethan Urdu speaking families
		
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			brought up,
		
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			as Muslims as part of the enormous
		
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			sprawling ethnic
		
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			extended family.
		
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			So this is his
		
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			family background. He was born in 18/92
		
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			in the town of Dariabad,
		
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			and he does the traditional thing. The age
		
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			of 4, the traditional Indian ceremony, the Bismillah.
		
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			He recites
		
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			the Arabic Urdu letters for the first time.
		
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			He recites his Faatiha,
		
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			everybody celebrates as a meal and he's off.
		
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			So his early education is done at home
		
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			in the traditional way with a Munshi who's
		
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			around all day long. And
		
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			Persian teachers, Quran teachers come to their house.
		
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			And he does the very Persian focused,
		
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			kind of ethical
		
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			syllabus because the Persian style of teaching is
		
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			kind of sweet and enjoyable for children, particularly
		
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			texts like Saudi,
		
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			the Gulistan, and the Bustan. It's nice stories,
		
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			some of it quite amusing,
		
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			but always with a moral and an Islamic
		
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			message
		
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			That Persian becomes an important instrument of
		
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			communication,
		
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			really, even for young children in in this
		
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			world.
		
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			So he does Saadis Bostan in particular.
		
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			He looks at,
		
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			he says that at an early age he
		
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			was at post it memor ghazali's
		
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			Kimyaisa Adet.
		
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			Quite a difficult text,
		
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			but something presumably sunk in.
		
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			Mollajami,
		
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			Yusuf Zuleikha,
		
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			which actually we had a lecture on Mollajami
		
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			a few months ago, and we did some
		
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			extracts from Yusuf Zuleikha.
		
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			Urdu poetry,
		
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			moral tales,
		
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			by the age of 7, his are half
		
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			his.
		
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			And he has because this is a kind
		
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			of Lucknow UP world of everybody is into
		
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			poetry
		
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			Before people have
		
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			phones to waste their lives on,
		
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			poetry is the thing.
		
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			The family members are saying, come to me
		
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			with this to this book shop. I've heard
		
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			that they've got a new poetry collection.
		
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			Have you heard that there's a new edition
		
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			of this?
		
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			And books are everybody's life, that's all there
		
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			is. There's not even wireless
		
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			at this stage.
		
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			It's just books. Everything is print media and
		
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			manuscripts.
		
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			So at the age of 8 he goes
		
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			to school for the first time, and he
		
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			proves exceptional.
		
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			Now his parents, because his father is a
		
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			district collector, are not putting him in a
		
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			madrassa or a darulonorm.
		
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			He doesn't engage with that world. Even though
		
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			he becomes
		
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			significant finally in the nadwatuloloma
		
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			in Lucknow.
		
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			But he goes to
		
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			a kind of European style school
		
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			in which he's one of the very few
		
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			Muslim pupils.
		
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			Almost everybody is Hindu.
		
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			And,
		
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			he has a good relationship with them. He
		
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			learns English for the first time from a
		
00:32:05 --> 00:32:08
			Hindu teacher. There's just 2 Muslim teachers in
		
00:32:08 --> 00:32:09
			the school who are both Shia.
		
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			Lucknow and region is a big, Twelver Shia
		
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			community.
		
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			Though his relations with Hindu is interesting. And
		
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			again from this this book, let me just
		
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			read a translation
		
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			of Dhariya Bade's own recollection
		
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			of,
		
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			what it was like to be a minority
		
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			pupil.
		
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			It was for the first time that I
		
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			came into direct contact with Hindus, who are
		
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			my equals.
		
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			Earlier I'd been in touch with only some
		
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			subordinate Hindus, as for example the stable boy,
		
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			office attendant, or private tutor.
		
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			The Hindu custom of greeting with the folding
		
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			hands, the excessive respect for Brahmins which bordered
		
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			on veneration,
		
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			the touching of the feet of teachers, their
		
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			practice of untouchability
		
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			even among themselves struck me.
		
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			They did not share food or drink among
		
00:33:00 --> 00:33:00
			themselves,
		
00:33:01 --> 00:33:03
			never mind eating or drinking with Muslims.
		
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			Students had the option to learn either Persian
		
00:33:07 --> 00:33:08
			or Sanskrit.
		
00:33:08 --> 00:33:10
			Most of the students who were of course
		
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			Hindus used to opt for Persian.
		
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			Even the majority of the teachers of Persian
		
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			were Hindus.
		
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			At the insistence of the Arabic teacher however,
		
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			I chose Arabic as the optional language.
		
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			This is a 100 years ago. India has
		
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			really changed.
		
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			It's hard to imagine that educated Hindus and
		
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			schoolboys
		
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			would prefer to do Persian where the literature
		
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			is entirely Islamic. There's no Hindu Persian literature
		
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			really that's in the canon.
		
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			And that that was just the language of
		
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			India. It was the language educated language of
		
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			India before English came to
		
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			displace
		
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			it
		
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			all. So I was weak in mathematics. My
		
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			Hindu headmaster was kind enough to ask a
		
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			class fellow to help me overcome my weakness.
		
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			He did this job almost as a religious
		
00:34:00 --> 00:34:02
			duty, and did not charge any fee.
		
00:34:03 --> 00:34:05
			Although he was a needy student, he declined
		
00:34:05 --> 00:34:07
			to accept the modest honorarium which I offered
		
00:34:07 --> 00:34:08
			him after the examination.
		
00:34:10 --> 00:34:12
			Later on he joined the education department as
		
00:34:12 --> 00:34:13
			a demonstrator.
		
00:34:13 --> 00:34:15
			In 1960 when he learned about the demise
		
00:34:15 --> 00:34:18
			of my elder brother, he visited me after
		
00:34:18 --> 00:34:19
			a gap of decades.
		
00:34:20 --> 00:34:23
			While offering condolences to me he said, today
		
00:34:23 --> 00:34:25
			not only your brother, my brother too has
		
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			passed away. I stand by you in your
		
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			grief. So he's
		
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			very
		
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			insistent later on when
		
00:34:32 --> 00:34:34
			commonless tensions become
		
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			the big issue in India,
		
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			to record the fact that in his day,
		
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			this is before the First World War,
		
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			relations are pretty good and the Islamic culture
		
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			is kind of the prestige culture.
		
00:34:47 --> 00:34:49
			And he also notices his observation
		
00:34:50 --> 00:34:51
			of these internal differentiation
		
00:34:52 --> 00:34:54
			between the the Hindus. That they wouldn't share
		
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			food amongst themselves,
		
00:34:56 --> 00:34:59
			because they were from different castes and different
		
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			sub castes and were simply not allowed
		
00:35:01 --> 00:35:03
			to do that. So it's a very interesting
		
00:35:04 --> 00:35:06
			reminder of of a different India,
		
00:35:06 --> 00:35:08
			the pre pre partition
		
00:35:09 --> 00:35:11
			India, before the British and others started to
		
00:35:11 --> 00:35:14
			stir up this communist divide and rule thing.
		
00:35:14 --> 00:35:16
			I think it's important for Muslims now to
		
00:35:16 --> 00:35:19
			remember that things were not always
		
00:35:19 --> 00:35:20
			bad.
		
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			So,
		
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			he then goes on to Lucknow, to something
		
00:35:27 --> 00:35:28
			called Canning College, which is a Europeanized
		
00:35:30 --> 00:35:32
			branch of the University of Allahabad.
		
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			It becomes
		
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			a university, Lucknow University, a bit later. By
		
00:35:40 --> 00:35:41
			this time, it's a kind of branch
		
00:35:42 --> 00:35:43
			of the other one.
		
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			The lecturers here are mostly Europeans.
		
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			Academics have come up from Europe, usually Germans
		
00:35:50 --> 00:35:51
			or English.
		
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			And here the subjects that he chooses are
		
00:35:54 --> 00:35:56
			Arabic and philosophy
		
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			and English.
		
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			Those three things put together become really important
		
00:36:01 --> 00:36:04
			in shaping his orientation and his technique in
		
00:36:04 --> 00:36:05
			his in his tafsir.
		
00:36:06 --> 00:36:08
			And the standard is pretty high as far
		
00:36:08 --> 00:36:10
			as one could tell because the Arabic set
		
00:36:10 --> 00:36:12
			texts include some of the hardest things. If
		
00:36:12 --> 00:36:14
			you know Arabic literature, you'll recognize the names
		
00:36:14 --> 00:36:17
			of the Diwan of Abu Tammam,
		
00:36:18 --> 00:36:18
			the Muhammat
		
00:36:19 --> 00:36:21
			of Al Hariri and Al Hamadani,
		
00:36:21 --> 00:36:24
			Ibn Khaldun. This is fairly advanced
		
00:36:25 --> 00:36:26
			stuff. But he's really
		
00:36:27 --> 00:36:29
			even though he never really gets top grades,
		
00:36:29 --> 00:36:30
			he comes out with a 21.
		
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			He's really just
		
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			an obsessively
		
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			voracious
		
00:36:36 --> 00:36:37
			reader.
		
00:36:38 --> 00:36:40
			He's in the library of this Canning College
		
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			place and he sets out to read everything
		
00:36:43 --> 00:36:44
			he can get his hands on.
		
00:36:45 --> 00:36:48
			So he hears weeks in advance with great
		
00:36:48 --> 00:36:50
			excitement excitement that the new edition of the
		
00:36:50 --> 00:36:51
			Encyclopaedia
		
00:36:51 --> 00:36:54
			Britannica is going to arrive in Lucknow.
		
00:36:55 --> 00:36:58
			Nowadays, young people might think, oh, the next
		
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			series of Game of Thrones,
		
00:37:00 --> 00:37:02
			that's where we are now, but back then,
		
00:37:02 --> 00:37:05
			cyclopedia Britannica is coming. It doesn't reach the
		
00:37:05 --> 00:37:07
			library yet, but he's impatient. So he has
		
00:37:07 --> 00:37:10
			a Hindu friend who's bought it, who's wealthy,
		
00:37:10 --> 00:37:12
			who agrees to lend it to him one
		
00:37:12 --> 00:37:13
			volume at a time.
		
00:37:14 --> 00:37:16
			So he reads the whole Encyclopaedia Britannica,
		
00:37:17 --> 00:37:18
			38 volumes,
		
00:37:20 --> 00:37:21
			and acquires
		
00:37:22 --> 00:37:23
			as a result a
		
00:37:23 --> 00:37:24
			pretty encyclopedic
		
00:37:24 --> 00:37:26
			amount of knowledge. Even though
		
00:37:27 --> 00:37:29
			when you read his tafsir it doesn't become
		
00:37:29 --> 00:37:30
			particularly
		
00:37:31 --> 00:37:31
			burdensome.
		
00:37:32 --> 00:37:34
			It's not full of obscure references.
		
00:37:34 --> 00:37:36
			He actually limits himself to a fairly small
		
00:37:36 --> 00:37:39
			number of European sources when he's dealing, for
		
00:37:39 --> 00:37:42
			instance, with biblical place names that relate to
		
00:37:42 --> 00:37:43
			or annex stories.
		
00:37:44 --> 00:37:44
			He doesn't,
		
00:37:45 --> 00:37:47
			wear his learning on his sleeve, but clearly,
		
00:37:48 --> 00:37:50
			erudition and also very strong memory
		
00:37:50 --> 00:37:51
			to
		
00:37:51 --> 00:37:52
			necessary
		
00:37:52 --> 00:37:53
			preconditions
		
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			for scholarship.
		
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			So
		
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			his reading in the library and the library
		
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			is full particularly of English philosophers,
		
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			Locke,
		
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			Hume, well he's Scottish,
		
00:38:06 --> 00:38:07
			John Stuart Mill,
		
00:38:08 --> 00:38:09
			Henry James,
		
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			author of this
		
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			religiously quite subversive book, Varieties of Religious Experience.
		
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			Lapna, of course, is also one of the
		
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			great centres of Urdu
		
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			learning,
		
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			and he associates with people like Abul Kalam
		
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			Azad,
		
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			who later, of
		
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			course, becomes another
		
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			Qur'anic focused person. He's great Tarjumaan al Quran,
		
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			bits of which are in English,
		
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			And becomes the 1st minister of education in
		
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			Independent India, Abu Kalam Azad, an opponent of
		
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			partitioner,
		
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			significant scholar, Mollana.
		
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			In 1912, he graduates,
		
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			and he wants to do a masters. It's
		
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			already pretty unusual
		
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			for an Indian to have a BA in
		
00:38:53 --> 00:38:55
			those days. Even in England at the time
		
00:38:55 --> 00:38:56
			it was unusual.
		
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			Where to go for a masters in India?
		
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			There's basically just two places. There's Benares Hindu
		
00:39:02 --> 00:39:02
			University,
		
00:39:03 --> 00:39:06
			and there's this place that Sirsayed Ahmed Khan
		
00:39:06 --> 00:39:07
			has created in 18/75,
		
00:39:09 --> 00:39:11
			the Anglo Mohammedan
		
00:39:11 --> 00:39:12
			College
		
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			in Aligarh.
		
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			Now this
		
00:39:18 --> 00:39:20
			still exists, of course. Aligarh is one of
		
00:39:20 --> 00:39:23
			the main universities of India. Aligarh Muslim University,
		
00:39:23 --> 00:39:26
			it's called now. And it has sub campuses
		
00:39:26 --> 00:39:29
			in Bengal and Kerala and places, and is
		
00:39:29 --> 00:39:31
			mainly science oriented now. But it has a
		
00:39:31 --> 00:39:33
			faculty of theology with
		
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			a Shi'i section and a Sunni section. That's
		
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			how things are nowadays.
		
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			But back then it was the only place
		
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			where you could get a western style
		
00:39:43 --> 00:39:45
			university education. And it was founded
		
00:39:45 --> 00:39:47
			by Sirsair Ahmad Khan after his visit to
		
00:39:47 --> 00:39:49
			Oxford and Cambridge. He wanted there to be
		
00:39:49 --> 00:39:51
			an Indian Mohammedan
		
00:39:51 --> 00:39:53
			version of this. So it has kind of
		
00:39:53 --> 00:39:54
			Oxford type quadrangles
		
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			and
		
00:39:56 --> 00:39:59
			libraries, debating societies, chess clubs. It's that sort
		
00:39:59 --> 00:39:59
			of Victorian
		
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			institution
		
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			and did a lot for the Muslims of
		
00:40:03 --> 00:40:06
			the subcontinent. It was focused on the broader
		
00:40:06 --> 00:40:09
			Aligar movement that included for instance a movement
		
00:40:09 --> 00:40:11
			to reform the Urdu language. So that
		
00:40:12 --> 00:40:13
			it became a little bit less
		
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			complex,
		
00:40:16 --> 00:40:18
			and rococo, and became a little bit simpler,
		
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			so that more people could simply understand
		
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			text.
		
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			So
		
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			he studies there where he encounters not just
		
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			English empiricist philosophers, but also German idealists,
		
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			Kant and Hegel in particular.
		
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			He doesn't really thrive there. He moves on
		
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			to St Stephen's College in Delhi, which again
		
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			is
		
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			is still there.
		
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			I'm in touch with
		
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			1 or 2 members of staff there. It's
		
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			an Anglican institution.
		
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			He continues his MA, but in 1912,
		
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			his father dies.
		
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			His
		
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			father, before he dies, he dies on Hajj,
		
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			he's buried in Mu'ala.
		
00:41:07 --> 00:41:07
			His father,
		
00:41:08 --> 00:41:09
			puts aside
		
00:41:10 --> 00:41:10
			some
		
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			income for him, that's not accessible. But, an
		
00:41:13 --> 00:41:16
			important philanthropist called the Raja of Mahbodabad,
		
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			donates some money for the support of him
		
00:41:20 --> 00:41:22
			specifically because he's a rising
		
00:41:22 --> 00:41:23
			star. Raja of Mahmoudabad
		
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			is an interesting figure in the development of
		
00:41:26 --> 00:41:27
			British Islam.
		
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			You still hear his name
		
00:41:29 --> 00:41:30
			amongst old timers.
		
00:41:31 --> 00:41:34
			Now, but this in 1912 is the old
		
00:41:34 --> 00:41:35
			rajah of Mahmoodabad,
		
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			Muhammad Ali Muhammad Khan,
		
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			who died shortly afterwards and the later raja
		
00:41:41 --> 00:41:42
			of Mahamudabad.
		
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			The Shi'i family,
		
00:41:45 --> 00:41:47
			So he had a house in Karbala, which
		
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			was then donated to the government of Pakistan,
		
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			and that's what became of it,
		
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			and is buried in Mashhad.
		
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			But this rajah of Muhammad Ahmad
		
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			Amir, I think,
		
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			who Muhammad Ahmad,
		
00:42:00 --> 00:42:01
			small city,
		
00:42:01 --> 00:42:03
			mainly Muslim or maybe 5050
		
00:42:04 --> 00:42:07
			Hindu Muslim with a big Muslim qaila castle
		
00:42:07 --> 00:42:08
			in the middle, a traditional
		
00:42:08 --> 00:42:10
			sort of Nawab scene.
		
00:42:12 --> 00:42:14
			He's really a kind of Sufi, Shi'i,
		
00:42:15 --> 00:42:18
			kind of ecstatic type, And it's he who
		
00:42:18 --> 00:42:21
			creates the Islamic Cultural Centre in London,
		
00:42:21 --> 00:42:22
			which is Regent's Lodge,
		
00:42:24 --> 00:42:26
			which then becomes the Islamic Cultural Center, which
		
00:42:26 --> 00:42:28
			is the Regent's Park mosque.
		
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			He's the one who
		
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			agitates for that,
		
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			and,
		
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			collects money and and makes that
		
00:42:36 --> 00:42:39
			happen, and becomes its first director. A very
		
00:42:40 --> 00:42:41
			even Arabi oriented,
		
00:42:42 --> 00:42:43
			quite
		
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			ecstatic
		
00:42:45 --> 00:42:46
			lover of God, particular
		
00:42:47 --> 00:42:50
			very aristocratic mother. I've I've met people who,
		
00:42:50 --> 00:42:52
			remember him and were quite,
		
00:42:53 --> 00:42:56
			he was particularly support supportive of the convert
		
00:42:56 --> 00:42:58
			community at the time. That was before the
		
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			Arab embassies really got got involved.
		
00:43:02 --> 00:43:04
			His Marcia, his great poem in Urdu
		
00:43:05 --> 00:43:07
			on the death of Imam Hussain,
		
00:43:07 --> 00:43:09
			published in London just
		
00:43:09 --> 00:43:11
			a couple of years ago, I think. So
		
00:43:11 --> 00:43:14
			still his literary presence is there. But the
		
00:43:14 --> 00:43:16
			Raja of Mahmood are bad, significant figure. So
		
00:43:16 --> 00:43:18
			his father puts money in an account to
		
00:43:18 --> 00:43:21
			support Daria Bedi, who's this promising student.
		
00:43:22 --> 00:43:23
			His father
		
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			dies, never comes back from Hajj,
		
00:43:26 --> 00:43:27
			and then the bank
		
00:43:28 --> 00:43:29
			breaks,
		
00:43:29 --> 00:43:31
			and the money's gone.
		
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			So he can't continue his MA,
		
00:43:34 --> 00:43:37
			and the family, relatives, they're not really able
		
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			to support him with this. So he never
		
00:43:39 --> 00:43:41
			really finishes his academic career, which he said
		
00:43:41 --> 00:43:43
			later on might have been a blessing. He
		
00:43:43 --> 00:43:45
			might have ended up as a philosophy teacher
		
00:43:45 --> 00:43:48
			in some minor university and kind of spent
		
00:43:48 --> 00:43:48
			his time
		
00:43:49 --> 00:43:52
			teaching Hegel to Indians. And fine, but not
		
00:43:53 --> 00:43:54
			not transformative.
		
00:43:57 --> 00:43:59
			But during this time,
		
00:43:59 --> 00:44:01
			something is going on within him
		
00:44:02 --> 00:44:04
			which is far from good.
		
00:44:05 --> 00:44:06
			This is a time of
		
00:44:06 --> 00:44:08
			spiritual crisis.
		
00:44:09 --> 00:44:12
			The traditional olamaz discourse and the highfaluting
		
00:44:12 --> 00:44:15
			Urdu and Persian poetry and the ancient talk
		
00:44:15 --> 00:44:18
			of nightingales and rose gardens and Leila and
		
00:44:18 --> 00:44:18
			Majdun,
		
00:44:20 --> 00:44:21
			is colliding
		
00:44:22 --> 00:44:25
			with the pragmatism of John Stuart Mill and
		
00:44:25 --> 00:44:28
			the religious skepticism of Henry James, and there
		
00:44:28 --> 00:44:30
			doesn't seem to be a way in which
		
00:44:30 --> 00:44:31
			you can inhabit both worlds.
		
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			Remember what we said about this 18 fifties
		
00:44:36 --> 00:44:38
			watershed, the difficulty that so many Muslims had
		
00:44:38 --> 00:44:41
			in adjusting themselves mentally to this completely new
		
00:44:41 --> 00:44:42
			cognitive frame.
		
00:44:43 --> 00:44:45
			Now all of this reading that he's doing
		
00:44:45 --> 00:44:47
			late at night reading this philosophy in the
		
00:44:47 --> 00:44:49
			the library at Canning
		
00:44:49 --> 00:44:50
			College
		
00:44:52 --> 00:44:53
			is starting to get to him.
		
00:44:54 --> 00:44:56
			He doesn't have a language which enables him
		
00:44:56 --> 00:44:58
			to process this new
		
00:44:59 --> 00:45:00
			science based,
		
00:45:00 --> 00:45:01
			very secular
		
00:45:01 --> 00:45:05
			philosophy. Huxley was called Darwin's bulldog. These are
		
00:45:05 --> 00:45:06
			really anti religious figures.
		
00:45:08 --> 00:45:11
			And because he is inhabiting 2 worlds,
		
00:45:12 --> 00:45:14
			the kind of traditional Munshi world of the
		
00:45:14 --> 00:45:15
			extended family at home,
		
00:45:16 --> 00:45:17
			Every second
		
00:45:18 --> 00:45:20
			sentence is a line of poetry. And then
		
00:45:20 --> 00:45:22
			he's reading this this Victorian,
		
00:45:22 --> 00:45:24
			sort of, secular positivism.
		
00:45:25 --> 00:45:28
			That because he's inhabiting these 2 worlds, he
		
00:45:28 --> 00:45:30
			kind of falls into a spiritual crisis.
		
00:45:31 --> 00:45:33
			And that maybe is the most dramatic sort
		
00:45:33 --> 00:45:36
			of Ghazalian moment in his life, that effectively
		
00:45:36 --> 00:45:37
			he loses his faith.
		
00:45:38 --> 00:45:40
			He doesn't go out carousing, drinking, womanising, and
		
00:45:40 --> 00:45:42
			so forth. He's not like that.
		
00:45:42 --> 00:45:44
			He's still a very high minded person,
		
00:45:45 --> 00:45:46
			but he's not
		
00:45:46 --> 00:45:47
			praying any longer.
		
00:45:48 --> 00:45:51
			And even when he puts his religious identity
		
00:45:52 --> 00:45:53
			down when applying for this
		
00:45:53 --> 00:45:54
			MA,
		
00:45:55 --> 00:45:55
			under religion,
		
00:45:56 --> 00:45:58
			he doesn't put Muslim, he puts rationalist.
		
00:46:00 --> 00:46:02
			That's quite extreme to be that
		
00:46:03 --> 00:46:05
			out and open about it.
		
00:46:05 --> 00:46:08
			And it seems that he becomes pretty confident
		
00:46:08 --> 00:46:11
			and arrogant that Olamat can't help him. They
		
00:46:11 --> 00:46:13
			don't know these modern debates. They can't deal
		
00:46:13 --> 00:46:15
			with John Stuart Mill and so forth.
		
00:46:18 --> 00:46:19
			His brilliant world
		
00:46:20 --> 00:46:22
			with all of its articulateness
		
00:46:22 --> 00:46:24
			doesn't have anything to say to him. It's
		
00:46:24 --> 00:46:25
			dumb.
		
00:46:26 --> 00:46:28
			So he's in this kind of desert,
		
00:46:31 --> 00:46:31
			and
		
00:46:32 --> 00:46:34
			during this time starts to publish, he's still
		
00:46:34 --> 00:46:35
			in his early twenties,
		
00:46:36 --> 00:46:37
			very smart.
		
00:46:38 --> 00:46:39
			Unwin publishes in London,
		
00:46:40 --> 00:46:41
			bring out
		
00:46:42 --> 00:46:42
			a book,
		
00:46:43 --> 00:46:44
			Psychology of Leadership,
		
00:46:44 --> 00:46:47
			quite appropriate for these lectures, which is in
		
00:46:47 --> 00:46:50
			English. He writes it in nice English.
		
00:46:52 --> 00:46:54
			And it's pretty hostile to the idea of
		
00:46:54 --> 00:46:57
			prophecy, to the idea of belief in God.
		
00:46:57 --> 00:46:58
			It's about progress,
		
00:46:59 --> 00:46:59
			science,
		
00:47:00 --> 00:47:00
			positivism,
		
00:47:01 --> 00:47:03
			reason, all of these sort of 19th century
		
00:47:03 --> 00:47:04
			Victorian
		
00:47:04 --> 00:47:06
			ideals that were then going to come
		
00:47:07 --> 00:47:10
			under severe pressure in the 20th century
		
00:47:10 --> 00:47:11
			following
		
00:47:12 --> 00:47:14
			rationalist ideologies of communism, Marxism,
		
00:47:14 --> 00:47:15
			and then,
		
00:47:16 --> 00:47:18
			the collapse of the Newtonian
		
00:47:19 --> 00:47:21
			idea of cause and effect at the hands
		
00:47:21 --> 00:47:21
			of Darwin,
		
00:47:22 --> 00:47:23
			at the hands of,
		
00:47:25 --> 00:47:25
			Einstein.
		
00:47:26 --> 00:47:27
			Relativity,
		
00:47:28 --> 00:47:30
			when theology started to become much more intellectually
		
00:47:30 --> 00:47:32
			interesting again. But this time,
		
00:47:33 --> 00:47:34
			it is hard.
		
00:47:35 --> 00:47:37
			So he starts to write anonymous
		
00:47:38 --> 00:47:39
			articles defending secularity
		
00:47:40 --> 00:47:41
			and atheism
		
00:47:41 --> 00:47:44
			in Urdu journals. But word gets out.
		
00:47:44 --> 00:47:45
			So
		
00:47:45 --> 00:47:47
			Ahmed Raza Khan,
		
00:47:47 --> 00:47:48
			who is never hesitant
		
00:47:49 --> 00:47:51
			to hurl an anathema at anybody, calls him
		
00:47:51 --> 00:47:52
			kafir.
		
00:47:53 --> 00:47:55
			Becomes a big big deal.
		
00:47:57 --> 00:47:58
			But then slowly
		
00:47:59 --> 00:48:02
			his views start to moderate. He's a kind
		
00:48:02 --> 00:48:04
			of zealous convert to the
		
00:48:04 --> 00:48:05
			to nothingness.
		
00:48:07 --> 00:48:07
			But
		
00:48:08 --> 00:48:11
			it's very important to recognize how this happens,
		
00:48:11 --> 00:48:13
			because even today there are Muslims who have
		
00:48:14 --> 00:48:16
			a crisis. They go to a degree in
		
00:48:16 --> 00:48:18
			medicine, and they think Darwin can't be reconciled.
		
00:48:18 --> 00:48:19
			It becomes
		
00:48:19 --> 00:48:21
			the more these are, but the mosque can't
		
00:48:21 --> 00:48:23
			really help, and so there's a crisis.
		
00:48:24 --> 00:48:26
			And in this generation, this is really the
		
00:48:26 --> 00:48:28
			first time when this is happening to the
		
00:48:28 --> 00:48:29
			Ummah,
		
00:48:29 --> 00:48:31
			across the Ummah. But in his case, you
		
00:48:31 --> 00:48:32
			know, particularly
		
00:48:33 --> 00:48:36
			scandalous given his background and his ancestry and
		
00:48:37 --> 00:48:38
			his his Ahafis.
		
00:48:39 --> 00:48:42
			So it's important to spend some time thinking
		
00:48:42 --> 00:48:45
			about how it was during these 10 years
		
00:48:45 --> 00:48:47
			that he starts to soften and comes back.
		
00:48:48 --> 00:48:50
			This is like Salman Rushdie, but a 100
		
00:48:50 --> 00:48:51
			years earlier.
		
00:48:53 --> 00:48:56
			The Salman Rushdie crisis is book burning and
		
00:48:56 --> 00:48:56
			hyperventilating
		
00:48:57 --> 00:49:00
			and Khomeini's fatwa, and that if anything pushes
		
00:49:00 --> 00:49:02
			Rushdie further away.
		
00:49:02 --> 00:49:04
			It's certainly not the kind
		
00:49:05 --> 00:49:07
			of panic, knee jerk reaction that's going to
		
00:49:07 --> 00:49:08
			melt his heart and think, well, maybe I
		
00:49:08 --> 00:49:10
			should start taking Islam more seriously.
		
00:49:11 --> 00:49:12
			100 years ago,
		
00:49:13 --> 00:49:15
			the Muslim olema and population of India were
		
00:49:15 --> 00:49:17
			more subtle and more confident,
		
00:49:18 --> 00:49:20
			and thought instead of pressing the panic button,
		
00:49:21 --> 00:49:22
			let's work with him.
		
00:49:24 --> 00:49:25
			Let's pray for him.
		
00:49:25 --> 00:49:28
			It said his father went on Hajj specifically
		
00:49:28 --> 00:49:29
			to pray for his son.
		
00:49:31 --> 00:49:33
			But never heard the news that it'd come
		
00:49:33 --> 00:49:35
			back to Islam. It was a real source
		
00:49:35 --> 00:49:35
			of
		
00:49:36 --> 00:49:37
			grief for
		
00:49:37 --> 00:49:38
			him.
		
00:49:38 --> 00:49:41
			Scholars who are already in his circle are
		
00:49:41 --> 00:49:42
			trying to reason with this passionate
		
00:49:44 --> 00:49:46
			dogmatic young man. One is Muhammad Ali Johar,
		
00:49:46 --> 00:49:48
			who becomes one of the key figures in
		
00:49:48 --> 00:49:50
			the congress party, and a key
		
00:49:51 --> 00:49:52
			quite often imprisoned
		
00:49:53 --> 00:49:53
			activist
		
00:49:54 --> 00:49:55
			and agitator against,
		
00:49:56 --> 00:49:56
			against
		
00:49:57 --> 00:49:58
			the the Raj.
		
00:49:58 --> 00:50:00
			In fact, he becomes the president of the
		
00:50:00 --> 00:50:04
			National Congress party for for a while. He's
		
00:50:04 --> 00:50:04
			another
		
00:50:04 --> 00:50:05
			Aligar
		
00:50:06 --> 00:50:08
			graduate, but also studies
		
00:50:08 --> 00:50:10
			in Oxford. So he's a very interesting example
		
00:50:10 --> 00:50:12
			of this transitional generation,
		
00:50:12 --> 00:50:14
			Regarded as a bit too kind of dogmatically
		
00:50:14 --> 00:50:16
			religious by some of the more kind of
		
00:50:16 --> 00:50:17
			secularizing
		
00:50:17 --> 00:50:18
			Jina type,
		
00:50:19 --> 00:50:20
			people in India at the time,
		
00:50:21 --> 00:50:24
			but a really triumphant defender of the Quran.
		
00:50:25 --> 00:50:27
			Really good in English, writes articles in The
		
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			Times and The Guardian.
		
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			Somebody worth finding out about, Muhammad Ali Johar
		
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			from this transitional,
		
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			generation. So he goes to him and tries
		
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			to kind of listen to him, to deal
		
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			gently with him, to hear his arguments, to
		
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			try and find
		
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			some common ground.
		
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			In the background,
		
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			and the extent of this,
		
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			has not really been fully acknowledged by a
		
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			lot of modern Indian writers who are still
		
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			in the shadow of the Aligarh movement's determination
		
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			to demonstrate against the,
		
00:51:01 --> 00:51:02
			idea of so many
		
00:51:03 --> 00:51:04
			British writers
		
00:51:04 --> 00:51:06
			that Indian religion is a kind
		
00:51:06 --> 00:51:08
			of folklore or primitivism.
		
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			But there is in the family,
		
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			another influence.
		
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			The influence of somebody called Waris Ali Shah.
		
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			Now Waris Ali Shah died in 1905,
		
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			so this is before
		
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			the crisis.
		
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			But his disciples, Dervish's acolytes, are still around.
		
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			And,
		
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			he is from a place called Dehwa. Now
		
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			it is Dehwa Sharif, which is only kind
		
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			of
		
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			a day's walk, if you like, from for
		
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			Lucknow. This is the big spiritual happening
		
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			of the region in the late 19th century.
		
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			And,
		
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			this movement is a kind of
		
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			really medieval movement in many ways. This has
		
00:51:51 --> 00:51:53
			nothing to do with any kind of
		
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			formalised,
		
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			fastidious,
		
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			deobandi precision,
		
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			nor has it anything to do
		
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			with Gerard Ali or Sayed Ahmed Khan,
		
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			Yusuf
		
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			Ali, reformism or rationalism. This is traditional Indian
		
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			Sufism.
		
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			And
		
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			the walasis
		
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			continue to exist.
		
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			He is this ecstatic.
		
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			So
		
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			the story, and it's worth being aware that
		
00:52:24 --> 00:52:27
			behind the scenes of these kind of Anglicised
		
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			elites, traditional
		
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			India is still what most people are following.
		
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			5 generations
		
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			before
		
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			Walrus Ali Shah
		
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			burst onto the scene as this kind of
		
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			geyser of ecstatic,
		
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			wheelayer,
		
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			A wandering dervish had come 5 generations to
		
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			to his ancestor,
		
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			saying my greetings to you and to him
		
00:52:52 --> 00:52:54
			who will be born in your family. Allah
		
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			has illuminated your brow. I offer you my
		
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			congratulations.
		
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			His qualities will spill over the boundaries of
		
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			2 worlds.
		
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			His conduct and kindness will resemble the light
		
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			of Mustapha.
		
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			It will be popular from east to west
		
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			in young people. Even among Christians, they will
		
00:53:10 --> 00:53:12
			acknowledge him as their leader. He will be
		
00:53:12 --> 00:53:13
			the guide of every religion.
		
00:53:13 --> 00:53:15
			He will fulfill the aspirations and hopes of
		
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			everyone.
		
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			So kind of a legendary account,
		
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			But an indication of the idea that
		
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			Islam then,
		
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			through the optic of the Sufis,
		
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			was something
		
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			too enormous to fit into one particular
		
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			vessel, but overflowed because of the immensity of
		
00:53:33 --> 00:53:34
			the wallaya
		
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			of these people who lived in poverty and
		
00:53:37 --> 00:53:38
			when they inherited
		
00:53:38 --> 00:53:39
			gave it away.
		
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			So,
		
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			this is the founder of the walrusi order.
		
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			They're big in karachi nowadays, but they still
		
00:53:47 --> 00:53:49
			have, for instance, the warasi brothers, great kawali
		
00:53:49 --> 00:53:52
			singers in Hyderabad and so forth.
		
00:53:53 --> 00:53:55
			Keeping that tradition alive, this kind of ecstatic
		
00:53:56 --> 00:53:58
			folk, Wali centered
		
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			Islam.
		
00:54:00 --> 00:54:02
			And as this prophecy indicated,
		
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			the disciples of this tariqa would include many
		
00:54:05 --> 00:54:06
			Hindus.
		
00:54:06 --> 00:54:09
			To be a formal mureed initiated bay'a, you
		
00:54:09 --> 00:54:11
			had to be Mohammedan.
		
00:54:12 --> 00:54:14
			But you could certainly come and participate and
		
00:54:14 --> 00:54:16
			get the sheikh's guidance, your dream interpreted if
		
00:54:16 --> 00:54:18
			you were Hindu. So this is the traditional
		
00:54:18 --> 00:54:20
			way Islam is spread in the subcontinent. And
		
00:54:20 --> 00:54:22
			one of the things Muslims in the subcontinent
		
00:54:23 --> 00:54:25
			have lost in the 20th century is this
		
00:54:25 --> 00:54:26
			idea of bringing in
		
00:54:27 --> 00:54:29
			everybody from the principle of the holy man,
		
00:54:29 --> 00:54:31
			which is really interesting to
		
00:54:32 --> 00:54:35
			everybody in India. So this name Wararsi is
		
00:54:35 --> 00:54:38
			a sort of surname or patronymic,
		
00:54:38 --> 00:54:40
			which can be carried by Hindus as well
		
00:54:40 --> 00:54:41
			as by Muslims.
		
00:54:41 --> 00:54:44
			Muslim contact, for instance we have Baroness Warrzey
		
00:54:44 --> 00:54:46
			in this country of course in some complex
		
00:54:46 --> 00:54:47
			way
		
00:54:47 --> 00:54:48
			comes from
		
00:54:48 --> 00:54:51
			that world. So this Waris Alisham,
		
00:54:52 --> 00:54:54
			completely traditional person, ecstatic
		
00:54:55 --> 00:54:56
			outpour of
		
00:54:57 --> 00:54:57
			amazing
		
00:54:58 --> 00:55:00
			poetry and a wonder worker.
		
00:55:00 --> 00:55:02
			And people in his presence went into a
		
00:55:02 --> 00:55:03
			kind
		
00:55:03 --> 00:55:04
			of hal or ecstasy.
		
00:55:05 --> 00:55:06
			This is certainly
		
00:55:07 --> 00:55:08
			the traditional form
		
00:55:09 --> 00:55:10
			of Sufism in India.
		
00:55:10 --> 00:55:13
			He goes to England and meets Queen Victoria,
		
00:55:13 --> 00:55:14
			who is amazed by him.
		
00:55:15 --> 00:55:16
			He meets
		
00:55:17 --> 00:55:18
			Otto von Bismarck
		
00:55:18 --> 00:55:19
			in Germany.
		
00:55:20 --> 00:55:22
			He wants to spread this message of
		
00:55:22 --> 00:55:24
			love, ecstasy,
		
00:55:24 --> 00:55:26
			kindness to everybody,
		
00:55:26 --> 00:55:29
			to everybody. So goes to in goes to
		
00:55:29 --> 00:55:31
			Europe and because his famous
		
00:55:32 --> 00:55:32
			fakir
		
00:55:33 --> 00:55:33
			or dervish,
		
00:55:34 --> 00:55:36
			is received by people and
		
00:55:36 --> 00:55:36
			immensely
		
00:55:37 --> 00:55:37
			respected.
		
00:55:39 --> 00:55:41
			So that is in the background. The family
		
00:55:41 --> 00:55:42
			is aware of that as well. There as
		
00:55:42 --> 00:55:45
			well as this kind of rationalist Virangi Mahal
		
00:55:45 --> 00:55:48
			thing. There is ecstasy, halal wedged.
		
00:55:50 --> 00:55:50
			Which,
		
00:55:51 --> 00:55:53
			of course, the the the problem with that
		
00:55:53 --> 00:55:55
			is that it can become decadent
		
00:55:56 --> 00:55:57
			quite easily,
		
00:55:58 --> 00:56:00
			because of the focus on the personality of
		
00:56:00 --> 00:56:02
			the sheikh and the shrine of the sheikh.
		
00:56:02 --> 00:56:03
			Those places often
		
00:56:04 --> 00:56:05
			nowadays, if you visit them, can be quite
		
00:56:05 --> 00:56:06
			depressing.
		
00:56:08 --> 00:56:10
			The aroma of hashish in the air, people
		
00:56:10 --> 00:56:13
			not really bothering with the prayers, and not
		
00:56:14 --> 00:56:15
			properly segregating
		
00:56:16 --> 00:56:16
			the genders,
		
00:56:17 --> 00:56:19
			and people selling talismans and
		
00:56:20 --> 00:56:22
			exorcists, and it's that kind
		
00:56:22 --> 00:56:24
			of folk religion which is often
		
00:56:25 --> 00:56:25
			explicitly
		
00:56:26 --> 00:56:27
			decadent.
		
00:56:28 --> 00:56:30
			So quite often that sort of Sufism
		
00:56:31 --> 00:56:34
			kind of collapses quite quickly into that. The
		
00:56:34 --> 00:56:36
			white hot transformative
		
00:56:36 --> 00:56:38
			power of the sheikh during his lifetime.
		
00:56:40 --> 00:56:42
			Charisma is routinised in ways that can be
		
00:56:42 --> 00:56:45
			not always, but can be quite quite negative.
		
00:56:45 --> 00:56:47
			But that is there in the background and
		
00:56:48 --> 00:56:50
			those people are around. His experience
		
00:56:51 --> 00:56:52
			of holy people
		
00:56:52 --> 00:56:54
			is part of his make up.
		
00:56:57 --> 00:56:59
			Somebody who is kind of on that side
		
00:56:59 --> 00:57:01
			of things but is a poet is Akbar
		
00:57:01 --> 00:57:01
			Allahabadi,
		
00:57:03 --> 00:57:05
			who is a noted Urdu stylist but also
		
00:57:05 --> 00:57:07
			a judge. So he's part of the British
		
00:57:08 --> 00:57:10
			scheme. But pro independence,
		
00:57:11 --> 00:57:13
			a lot of his Urdu poetry is satire
		
00:57:14 --> 00:57:17
			mocking British civilization and the pomposity of
		
00:57:18 --> 00:57:18
			the British.
		
00:57:19 --> 00:57:21
			And Akbar Allah Habari seems to have been
		
00:57:21 --> 00:57:22
			quite
		
00:57:22 --> 00:57:25
			instrumental in his reconversion to Islam.
		
00:57:26 --> 00:57:28
			His friends with him, they can talk about
		
00:57:28 --> 00:57:30
			literature together. They have things in common. He's
		
00:57:30 --> 00:57:32
			very gentle. He doesn't shout at him. He
		
00:57:32 --> 00:57:35
			doesn't say, careful shout. It's not like
		
00:57:35 --> 00:57:37
			the modern Saudi olamat
		
00:57:37 --> 00:57:38
			who say that
		
00:57:39 --> 00:57:39
			atheism
		
00:57:40 --> 00:57:40
			is terrorism
		
00:57:41 --> 00:57:42
			and
		
00:57:42 --> 00:57:43
			bore everybody with
		
00:57:44 --> 00:57:45
			sort of stupid emotional
		
00:57:45 --> 00:57:47
			reactions. He's he's
		
00:57:47 --> 00:57:48
			genuinely concerned
		
00:57:49 --> 00:57:50
			to help and,
		
00:57:51 --> 00:57:52
			advises him
		
00:57:52 --> 00:57:53
			to
		
00:57:54 --> 00:57:56
			work particularly on the Masnavi. The Masnavi of
		
00:57:56 --> 00:57:58
			Rumi is part of the Persian world that
		
00:57:58 --> 00:58:01
			everybody knows, and they both work together through
		
00:58:01 --> 00:58:01
			the Masnavi.
		
00:58:03 --> 00:58:05
			Another contact is an interesting person.
		
00:58:06 --> 00:58:07
			It's not clear if they met in person,
		
00:58:07 --> 00:58:09
			but there's some kind of they're in the
		
00:58:09 --> 00:58:11
			same circle. Althija Faizi,
		
00:58:12 --> 00:58:14
			who is interesting as quite a westernized,
		
00:58:14 --> 00:58:15
			but still Muslim
		
00:58:16 --> 00:58:18
			lady, who is the first Muslim woman to
		
00:58:18 --> 00:58:21
			have studied at the University of Cambridge.
		
00:58:22 --> 00:58:23
			These connections are
		
00:58:24 --> 00:58:26
			still present. She was in
		
00:58:26 --> 00:58:29
			communication with Shibley Noamani, who is a well
		
00:58:29 --> 00:58:30
			known polyglot
		
00:58:31 --> 00:58:31
			and
		
00:58:32 --> 00:58:32
			and alim,
		
00:58:33 --> 00:58:34
			author of a number of books, some of
		
00:58:34 --> 00:58:36
			which have gone into
		
00:58:36 --> 00:58:37
			into English.
		
00:58:39 --> 00:58:41
			Should be a mani not so westernized
		
00:58:42 --> 00:58:44
			or familiar with western things. Perhaps he's studied
		
00:58:44 --> 00:58:46
			with traditional scholars and Sufis in
		
00:58:47 --> 00:58:48
			in Mecca and,
		
00:58:49 --> 00:58:51
			and becomes the principle for a while of
		
00:58:51 --> 00:58:53
			the the Dar ul ul Olom in Lucknow,
		
00:58:54 --> 00:58:56
			The Nadwat ul Alama in Lucknow.
		
00:58:59 --> 00:59:02
			He writes a seerah book, which is influential
		
00:59:02 --> 00:59:02
			because
		
00:59:03 --> 00:59:05
			the writing of seerah at this time, like
		
00:59:05 --> 00:59:06
			writing about the Quran,
		
00:59:07 --> 00:59:10
			is against the background of western orientalist
		
00:59:10 --> 00:59:11
			missionary
		
00:59:12 --> 00:59:15
			scientific attacks. So the style of sira that's
		
00:59:15 --> 00:59:18
			developing in India at the time and finds
		
00:59:18 --> 00:59:20
			its way into Dari Bedi's own writing
		
00:59:20 --> 00:59:23
			is an attempt to explain to Muslims,
		
00:59:24 --> 00:59:26
			the perfection of the holy prophet, not in
		
00:59:26 --> 00:59:29
			traditional pietistic, eulogistic terms, but explaining
		
00:59:29 --> 00:59:30
			morally,
		
00:59:30 --> 00:59:31
			metaphysically, historically,
		
00:59:32 --> 00:59:33
			the excellence
		
00:59:33 --> 00:59:36
			of the chosen one, alayhis salat Rasalam.
		
00:59:38 --> 00:59:42
			Daria Bedi actually attacks Shibley quite violently in
		
00:59:42 --> 00:59:43
			some Urdu articles,
		
00:59:43 --> 00:59:46
			and Shibley no mani responds very kind of
		
00:59:46 --> 00:59:46
			gently
		
00:59:47 --> 00:59:48
			and even gives him a job, sort of
		
00:59:48 --> 00:59:50
			writing a few articles in his in his
		
00:59:50 --> 00:59:53
			journal. So this principle of idfa b'latiye
		
00:59:54 --> 00:59:56
			ahsindor, anic instruction of
		
00:59:57 --> 00:59:57
			push back
		
00:59:58 --> 01:00:00
			against an offense with something more beautiful.
		
01:00:02 --> 01:00:03
			And this mujerdala
		
01:00:03 --> 01:00:04
			bildatihiyasan,
		
01:00:05 --> 01:00:06
			discussing with others
		
01:00:07 --> 01:00:09
			in the most excellent way. This is the
		
01:00:09 --> 01:00:12
			Quranic instruction on how you deal with people
		
01:00:12 --> 01:00:14
			who are in a state of falsehood was
		
01:00:14 --> 01:00:16
			still understood by the olema in India at
		
01:00:16 --> 01:00:17
			that time.
		
01:00:19 --> 01:00:20
			So
		
01:00:20 --> 01:00:21
			because they are,
		
01:00:22 --> 01:00:25
			he he can't really make headway, he can't
		
01:00:25 --> 01:00:28
			get an emotional reaction from them that is
		
01:00:28 --> 01:00:30
			equivalent to his own emotional turmoil.
		
01:00:30 --> 01:00:32
			He starts to calm down, sees the quality
		
01:00:32 --> 01:00:34
			of these people, and they say, look at
		
01:00:34 --> 01:00:36
			what is of universal interest in Rumi. Look
		
01:00:36 --> 01:00:38
			at the life of the holy prophet. Look
		
01:00:38 --> 01:00:39
			at the Quran.
		
01:00:39 --> 01:00:40
			You can at least improve
		
01:00:41 --> 01:00:43
			your Arabic through studying the Quran.
		
01:00:44 --> 01:00:46
			But then also, he's continuing his study of
		
01:00:47 --> 01:00:48
			Western philosophy.
		
01:00:49 --> 01:00:52
			And he realises that there are dimensions in
		
01:00:52 --> 01:00:55
			western philosophy that are respectful
		
01:00:56 --> 01:00:59
			of forms of religious belief. And his trajectory
		
01:00:59 --> 01:01:01
			here is a very, kind of, curious, perhaps
		
01:01:01 --> 01:01:03
			surprising one, at least to a lot of
		
01:01:03 --> 01:01:06
			modern Muslims. His interest in Schopenhauer. We think
		
01:01:06 --> 01:01:08
			of I think no interest in religion at
		
01:01:08 --> 01:01:09
			all,
		
01:01:09 --> 01:01:11
			the predecessor of Nietzsche.
		
01:01:12 --> 01:01:13
			But Schopenhauer
		
01:01:13 --> 01:01:16
			is respectful to Indian religion and Buddhism in
		
01:01:16 --> 01:01:17
			particular.
		
01:01:18 --> 01:01:19
			Theria Bedi thinks,
		
01:01:19 --> 01:01:21
			why should he be interested in
		
01:01:22 --> 01:01:24
			Buddhism? So he starts to study Buddhism and
		
01:01:24 --> 01:01:24
			recognizes
		
01:01:25 --> 01:01:28
			that Buddhism is not just idolatrous fairy tales,
		
01:01:28 --> 01:01:28
			but is
		
01:01:29 --> 01:01:30
			an integral
		
01:01:30 --> 01:01:31
			spiritual
		
01:01:32 --> 01:01:32
			principle.
		
01:01:34 --> 01:01:36
			You also read some Hindu thinkers.
		
01:01:37 --> 01:01:38
			So he's prompted
		
01:01:38 --> 01:01:40
			to do this not by his Hindu friends,
		
01:01:40 --> 01:01:42
			but by these German philosophers who are interested
		
01:01:42 --> 01:01:44
			in Indian religion.
		
01:01:44 --> 01:01:46
			He reads Sri Aurobindo.
		
01:01:47 --> 01:01:50
			And then he reads the Gita, the Bhagavad
		
01:01:50 --> 01:01:51
			Gita, the great
		
01:01:52 --> 01:01:54
			Hindu spiritual classic.
		
01:01:54 --> 01:01:56
			He reads it in
		
01:01:57 --> 01:01:57
			English.
		
01:01:58 --> 01:02:01
			He's in contact with Gandhi, who he really
		
01:02:01 --> 01:02:01
			respects.
		
01:02:02 --> 01:02:04
			And of course, since independence is the big
		
01:02:04 --> 01:02:06
			issue for everybody in India at the time,
		
01:02:06 --> 01:02:08
			the fact that Gandhi is also an active
		
01:02:08 --> 01:02:11
			practitioner of a religion and not some kind
		
01:02:11 --> 01:02:12
			of science worshiping
		
01:02:14 --> 01:02:14
			atheist
		
01:02:15 --> 01:02:16
			has an impact. They they don't actually meet
		
01:02:16 --> 01:02:18
			until much later,
		
01:02:18 --> 01:02:20
			in the 19 twenties. They meet at, actually,
		
01:02:20 --> 01:02:22
			the Ors of Khwaja
		
01:02:22 --> 01:02:24
			Mohanad Din Trishti in Ajmer,
		
01:02:25 --> 01:02:26
			where they finally meet.
		
01:02:28 --> 01:02:30
			But he's starting to realize that even these
		
01:02:30 --> 01:02:32
			philosophers in the west are interested
		
01:02:33 --> 01:02:34
			in
		
01:02:35 --> 01:02:37
			spiritual ideas and in Indian so he's moving
		
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			now towards the study of
		
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			the Hindu tradition and Buddhism,
		
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			and particularly
		
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			those who are kind of on the
		
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			interface. And this is a time when since
		
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			the time of somebody called Ram Mohan
		
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			Roy,
		
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			there has been an interest in Hindu figures
		
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			in seeing how Hindu religion can be articulated
		
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			in terms intelligible to the West.
		
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			And just as Goethe falls in love with
		
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			Saadi and Hafiz and becomes a kind of
		
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			Muslim, So also there are Europeans who are
		
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			really interested in the Hindu tradition.
		
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			And the theosophists,
		
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			this might seem very improbable.
		
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			The Theosophical
		
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			Society,
		
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			Annie Besant, Madame Blavatsky,
		
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			produce people like Bhavan Das,
		
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			who he meets and finds to be a
		
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			very holy person.
		
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			So he's amazed by the presence of this
		
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			religious charisma in this Hindu figure.
		
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			And Levascara is in 18/95,
		
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			so she's already gone. And then there's the
		
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			famous split
		
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			in
		
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			the Theosophical movement.
		
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			And there's the Adyar faction which is still
		
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			there in India.
		
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			And then the European
		
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			theosophists
		
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			formed their own kind of Europeanized
		
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			version of some sort of
		
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			perennial wisdom with
		
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			Vedic bits in it. And Rudolf Steiner, with
		
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			his
		
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			anthroposophy
		
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			comes out of that about the time of
		
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			the 1st World War. And of course,
		
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			the Steiner Schools are around the world now.
		
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			A lot of Muslims like to send their
		
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			kids to the Steiner School.
		
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			So, Theosophy as such is is profoundly
		
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			problematic and not regarded as particularly serious by
		
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			most
		
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			Brahmanical Hindus. But it's a kind of place
		
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			where you can see
		
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			Westerners
		
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			interested in Eastern wisdom
		
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			and a sort of syncretism and cross fertilization
		
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			taking place.
		
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			So this
		
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			breaks Derrybelli's
		
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			conviction that it's black and
		
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			white, east and west, completely opposed to each
		
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			other. There can't be a conversation. There can't
		
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			be an overlap
		
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			zone.
		
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			So
		
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			rather curious
		
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			circumstance,
		
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			this
		
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			reignites
		
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			his interest in Sufism and the Persian classic,
		
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			which as I said, are kind of really
		
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			beloved to the Hindu elite at the time.
		
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			Rumi's Mastervi, he never stops reading. He's really
		
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			interested in,
		
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			Sirhindi's Maktobat,
		
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			which are one of the great Nakshbandi achievements
		
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			of
		
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			early Mughal
		
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			India.
		
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			And then one of the key moments,
		
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			again curiously,
		
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			and of course we're dealing when you deal
		
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			with faith, which is a gift anyway, you're
		
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			dealing with obscure tides in the heart. It's
		
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			like falling in love. Who knows really what's
		
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			going on?
		
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			Why people believe? Why they're inclined to certain
		
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			it's very hard for us to see at
		
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			this distance exactly what's
		
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			what's going on in his spiritual
		
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			return.
		
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			But it seems that reading English translations of
		
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			the Quran does it for him.
		
01:05:51 --> 01:05:53
			Well, the Quran is an Arabic text, and
		
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			the translations are not really translations. They're just
		
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			kind of
		
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			paraphrases
		
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			in another very different language.
		
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			But he looks at certain,
		
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			at that time, pretty early
		
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			English translations of the Quran.
		
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			And somehow, he seems to see the book
		
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			in a different linguistic world. Seeing it in
		
01:06:11 --> 01:06:13
			the vocabulary of English
		
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			indicates that there are ways of inhabiting
		
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			the English linguistic space that are also
		
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			Islamic.
		
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			And it may well be, oddly, that it
		
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			is these early English translations of the Quran
		
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			that make him respect Islam again and see
		
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			it
		
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			in
		
01:06:31 --> 01:06:34
			a different light. So slowly, thanks to the
		
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			patience and the compassion of his scholarly friends,
		
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			and because of the power of Allah's book,
		
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			even in English garb,
		
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			and because of the
		
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			his sort of journey.
		
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			He's sort of personally interested in the Hindu
		
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			thing,
		
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			but he's impressed by these people,
		
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			and sees that the west doesn't have a
		
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			monopoly on truth and westerners are interested in
		
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			spiritual things.
		
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			That one day in the house of this
		
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			Urdu poet, Akbar Allahabadi,
		
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			he
		
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			takes his shahada again, and this is how
		
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			he describes it later. One day when I
		
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			had taken my shahada again and was a
		
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			guest of Akbar Allahabadhi,
		
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			I joined him for the first time in
		
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			Zuhr prayer.
		
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			He became happy, prayed to Allah for me
		
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			and told me that my late father would
		
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			be rejoiced by the angels
		
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			with the news of my prayer.
		
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			By 1918,
		
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			back in Islam,
		
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			and lives really the remainder of his life
		
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			as a great Mujahid,
		
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			a great struggler for the truth of Islam
		
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			with his pen.
		
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			So,
		
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			this is the great drama, the kind of
		
01:07:43 --> 01:07:45
			Ghazalian crisis and repentance of his life. And
		
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			it's it's complex, the way in which he
		
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			found his way back. But it's important to
		
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			study this because
		
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			how do we replicate this for confused young
		
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			Muslims at Bristol University? How can we help
		
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			them back? And how can we actually
		
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			make their experience of the darkness
		
01:08:00 --> 01:08:03
			something that helps them to appreciate the light
		
01:08:03 --> 01:08:04
			a bit more, so they become reinforced
		
01:08:05 --> 01:08:07
			by their journey when they found the light
		
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			at the end of the tunnel. We need
		
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			to study
		
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			things like this rather than shy away from
		
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			them. It may well be that the experience
		
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			of the catastrophe of the First World War
		
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			and the disillusionment that many were feeling with
		
01:08:21 --> 01:08:23
			the triumphant march of Western civilization,
		
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			also had an impact on him. But in
		
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			any case,
		
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			he becomes
		
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			stronger than ever
		
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			and becomes,
		
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			particularly a devotee of the Quran. He has
		
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			a spiritual teacher at this time and even
		
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			though there's this ecstatic thing around,
		
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			he, chooses to make beya,
		
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			to Molana Ashraf Ali Tanvi,
		
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			who we encountered in previous lectures.
		
01:08:54 --> 01:08:58
			Who is this, Darul Orlom Daoban
		
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			supremo, who he'd once despised
		
01:09:01 --> 01:09:02
			not really
		
01:09:02 --> 01:09:05
			being sufficiently anti British and being very conservative
		
01:09:05 --> 01:09:07
			and narrow and just stuck in traditional
		
01:09:07 --> 01:09:10
			texts. But then somebody gives him his speeches
		
01:09:10 --> 01:09:12
			and his chhupas and that changes his mind.
		
01:09:12 --> 01:09:13
			The guy is really
		
01:09:14 --> 01:09:14
			brilliant.
		
01:09:15 --> 01:09:16
			The lucidity of it
		
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			appeals
		
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			to him. So he takes his Bea from
		
01:09:20 --> 01:09:23
			him. This is in the Trishti Sabari line.
		
01:09:23 --> 01:09:25
			Also interestingly he takes the Bea later on
		
01:09:25 --> 01:09:28
			it seems with Mawlana Hossein Ahmad Madani, who
		
01:09:28 --> 01:09:31
			we had our paradigms lecture about earlier. So
		
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			certainly in middle age,
		
01:09:34 --> 01:09:36
			Tanafi becomes the great,
		
01:09:37 --> 01:09:39
			influence upon him.
		
01:09:40 --> 01:09:42
			And Taanavi, also a great lover of the
		
01:09:42 --> 01:09:44
			Quran, and has this kind of tafsir work,
		
01:09:44 --> 01:09:46
			Bayan al Quran,
		
01:09:47 --> 01:09:49
			which becomes a kind of important foundation
		
01:09:49 --> 01:09:51
			for Daria Bade's own tafsirs.
		
01:09:54 --> 01:09:56
			And in his book, Tarbiyat al Solok, advocates
		
01:09:57 --> 01:09:59
			certainly Sufism as the basis of what you
		
01:09:59 --> 01:10:01
			might call religious Islam,
		
01:10:03 --> 01:10:04
			as very sober,
		
01:10:05 --> 01:10:06
			disciplined.
		
01:10:07 --> 01:10:09
			And the discipline
		
01:10:09 --> 01:10:10
			particularly of this tariqa,
		
01:10:12 --> 01:10:13
			is a support
		
01:10:13 --> 01:10:16
			for, many of the scholars of this age,
		
01:10:16 --> 01:10:17
			where they absolutely
		
01:10:18 --> 01:10:18
			meticulously
		
01:10:19 --> 01:10:21
			map out every hour of the day.
		
01:10:23 --> 01:10:24
			And
		
01:10:25 --> 01:10:26
			when he
		
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			kind of semi retires
		
01:10:29 --> 01:10:32
			and devotes himself just to reading and writing,
		
01:10:32 --> 01:10:33
			goes back to Dariabad.
		
01:10:36 --> 01:10:39
			The account of how he ran his household,
		
01:10:39 --> 01:10:41
			even though it was extremely loving and prayerful
		
01:10:41 --> 01:10:44
			and hospitable, and guests and cousins and so
		
01:10:44 --> 01:10:44
			forth.
		
01:10:45 --> 01:10:46
			It's like a tariqa,
		
01:10:47 --> 01:10:50
			because he wanted every member of his household,
		
01:10:50 --> 01:10:51
			daughter, cousin, whoever,
		
01:10:52 --> 01:10:53
			to write a report
		
01:10:53 --> 01:10:54
			every day
		
01:10:55 --> 01:10:57
			on what that person had done during the
		
01:10:57 --> 01:10:59
			day. So every daughter had to write 'daddy
		
01:10:59 --> 01:11:01
			today I did this and I read that
		
01:11:01 --> 01:11:04
			and I learned this and can you '
		
01:11:04 --> 01:11:04
			Every day.
		
01:11:05 --> 01:11:07
			So this is a kind of Sufi principle
		
01:11:07 --> 01:11:07
			of Muhasaba,
		
01:11:08 --> 01:11:10
			calling oneself to account reckoning,
		
01:11:10 --> 01:11:12
			but in family life.
		
01:11:12 --> 01:11:14
			And he imposed it upon himself, and he
		
01:11:14 --> 01:11:16
			was amazingly prolific in terms of the number
		
01:11:16 --> 01:11:18
			of things that he
		
01:11:18 --> 01:11:20
			could achieve. And
		
01:11:21 --> 01:11:21
			his letters,
		
01:11:22 --> 01:11:23
			people would write to him. He would always
		
01:11:23 --> 01:11:27
			write back whatever the question might be. So
		
01:11:27 --> 01:11:28
			after he died, they collected his letters and
		
01:11:28 --> 01:11:31
			published them in 7 volumes of letters.
		
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			And he achieved this simply through real discipline
		
01:11:34 --> 01:11:36
			and time management, which is one of the
		
01:11:36 --> 01:11:37
			gifts of tariqa.
		
01:11:38 --> 01:11:40
			Every moment, every nafas is a breath,
		
01:11:41 --> 01:11:42
			a secret of God.
		
01:11:43 --> 01:11:45
			Seize it, don't throw it away, make use
		
01:11:45 --> 01:11:47
			of it, because it won't come back.
		
01:11:48 --> 01:11:51
			So the Sufi time management thing helps productivity
		
01:11:51 --> 01:11:52
			and helps with his
		
01:11:53 --> 01:11:54
			family life. So
		
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			Tanavi is his inspiration. He goes back to
		
01:11:57 --> 01:12:00
			Dariabad. At the time it's a small town,
		
01:12:00 --> 01:12:00
			no electricity.
		
01:12:01 --> 01:12:02
			It's really quite basic.
		
01:12:03 --> 01:12:05
			And he lives with his books and his
		
01:12:05 --> 01:12:05
			family.
		
01:12:06 --> 01:12:08
			How does he support himself? Well, the Nizam
		
01:12:08 --> 01:12:11
			of Hyderabad is giving him a small
		
01:12:11 --> 01:12:13
			amount of money on condition that he publishes
		
01:12:13 --> 01:12:13
			a book
		
01:12:14 --> 01:12:15
			every year.
		
01:12:15 --> 01:12:17
			He gets a little bit of income from
		
01:12:17 --> 01:12:19
			writing in Urdu journals
		
01:12:20 --> 01:12:21
			and, from
		
01:12:21 --> 01:12:22
			his
		
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			royalties on his books, which is not very
		
01:12:25 --> 01:12:27
			much. But one of the things about him
		
01:12:27 --> 01:12:28
			that is interesting
		
01:12:29 --> 01:12:29
			is that
		
01:12:30 --> 01:12:32
			he doesn't belong to any organisation
		
01:12:33 --> 01:12:35
			or any tendency, really. Even though he has
		
01:12:35 --> 01:12:37
			this particular connection with
		
01:12:37 --> 01:12:38
			with
		
01:12:38 --> 01:12:41
			Aligarh and then particularly with with Nadwa.
		
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			He's not a Deobandi. He's not a Brailvi.
		
01:12:45 --> 01:12:49
			He's not explicit about his tariqa affiliation, he's
		
01:12:49 --> 01:12:50
			not Ahl al Hadith.
		
01:12:50 --> 01:12:52
			A lot of his friends are Shia.
		
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			He doesn't because he doesn't belong to any
		
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			of the factions of Indian Islam as they're
		
01:12:58 --> 01:12:59
			already forming,
		
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			he doesn't really have a big national infrastructure
		
01:13:02 --> 01:13:04
			that can support his publications.
		
01:13:05 --> 01:13:07
			They can immediately say, there's your tafsir, we'll
		
01:13:07 --> 01:13:09
			publish it. Here is your new collection of
		
01:13:09 --> 01:13:12
			poems, we'll publish that. And he always struggled
		
01:13:12 --> 01:13:14
			to get his works out even though he
		
01:13:14 --> 01:13:15
			was so
		
01:13:16 --> 01:13:16
			respected.
		
01:13:17 --> 01:13:20
			So his Urdu tafsir, which is a major
		
01:13:20 --> 01:13:20
			tafsir,
		
01:13:21 --> 01:13:23
			he could only publish at first by serialising
		
01:13:23 --> 01:13:26
			it in little bits in his journal.
		
01:13:26 --> 01:13:28
			He published a weekly journal,
		
01:13:29 --> 01:13:30
			Cedric, which is one of the big Urdu
		
01:13:30 --> 01:13:31
			literary
		
01:13:31 --> 01:13:35
			journals, which continued really throughout his life, and
		
01:13:35 --> 01:13:36
			that was one of his major,
		
01:13:37 --> 01:13:38
			major calls on his time.
		
01:13:40 --> 01:13:42
			One of the things about his journal is
		
01:13:42 --> 01:13:44
			that it doesn't talk too much about
		
01:13:44 --> 01:13:45
			political infighting,
		
01:13:47 --> 01:13:49
			and is not really polemical.
		
01:13:49 --> 01:13:51
			It's literally, it tries to include everybody. It's
		
01:13:51 --> 01:13:54
			a platform for everybody in the North Indian
		
01:13:54 --> 01:13:55
			culture
		
01:13:55 --> 01:13:57
			of the day. It's consistently hostile to western
		
01:13:57 --> 01:14:00
			policies in the Muslim world, but the focus
		
01:14:00 --> 01:14:03
			is more Quranic and poetry rather than
		
01:14:04 --> 01:14:05
			political polemic.
		
01:14:08 --> 01:14:10
			Now, but his great work and that which
		
01:14:10 --> 01:14:11
			he really dedicated
		
01:14:12 --> 01:14:14
			the golden years of his life to was
		
01:14:14 --> 01:14:16
			the service of the Quran,
		
01:14:18 --> 01:14:19
			which can be seen in a sense I
		
01:14:19 --> 01:14:20
			mean, partly
		
01:14:20 --> 01:14:22
			because he was a lover of the Quran
		
01:14:22 --> 01:14:23
			and,
		
01:14:24 --> 01:14:26
			had been brought back to Islam
		
01:14:27 --> 01:14:29
			in a strange way by English translations of
		
01:14:29 --> 01:14:29
			the Quran,
		
01:14:31 --> 01:14:32
			seems to have been
		
01:14:33 --> 01:14:36
			precipitated by suggestion by Mawlana and Husayn Ahmed
		
01:14:36 --> 01:14:38
			Madani, although there are other explanations as well.
		
01:14:39 --> 01:14:41
			But he has 2 major tafsirs, one of
		
01:14:41 --> 01:14:42
			which is in Urdu,
		
01:14:42 --> 01:14:44
			and the other is in
		
01:14:45 --> 01:14:45
			English.
		
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			Now what can we say about
		
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			this tafsir? We have it in the CMC
		
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			library, and here it is. Two
		
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			significant volumes. This is the edition from Darul
		
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			Ishat,
		
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			Karachi in Pakistan. And actually publishing that has
		
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			improved. It's a perfectly nice
		
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			piece of work.
		
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			You can see why it was a bit
		
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			of a job for publishers because you have
		
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			to get the Arabic text. Absolutely right. If
		
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			there's one mistake in it, you have to
		
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			pop the whole edition.
		
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			And so it's
		
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			it's quite a brave thing for publishers to
		
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			take on, but
		
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			it is now finally available. And there's a
		
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			version that you can get through the Islamic
		
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			foundation
		
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			in Leicester, who've done a lot actually to
		
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			promote
		
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			his legacy and this this tradition.
		
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			You could say, looking at it,
		
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			that well, it is a tafsir, because
		
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			it's not a criterion
		
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			of tafsir
		
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			that it should be in Arabic.
		
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			So Maybod
		
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			is Persian
		
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			commentary on the Quran,
		
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			which is the first one of the first
		
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			Persian
		
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			Islamic texts really, which is in 10 volumes,
		
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			which is a Hanbali
		
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			Sufi
		
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			tafsir, is a tafsir even though it's in
		
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			Persian. So it's perfectly legitimate to write a
		
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			tafsir in the English language.
		
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			And this is what he gives us
		
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			in this tafsir of Quran translation and commentary
		
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			of the holy Quran. He doesn't really give
		
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			it more of a name than that. Sometimes
		
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			it's called tafsir and majidi,
		
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			after his
		
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			name.
		
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			He
		
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			is in a sense, just as Imam al
		
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			Ghazali
		
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			is in his later life arguing with the
		
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			things that had caused him doubts in his
		
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			earlier life.
		
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			He is also dealing implicitly, though not polemically,
		
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			with certain of the carpings and the polemics
		
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			that have been directed against the Quran by
		
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			European orientalist missionaries,
		
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			and ill wishes of various
		
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			kinds.
		
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			So you could say it has an apologetic
		
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			dimension.
		
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			But that actually makes it really useful because
		
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			a lot of people nowadays look at things
		
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			in the Quran to say, well what really
		
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			does that verse mean?
		
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			Is that translation really correct? I saw this
		
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			YouTube clip that said that this was from
		
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			some syriacs or what what so it is
		
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			useful to have that
		
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			contemporary dimension. And of course as somebody who's
		
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			not just Hafiz,
		
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			but read the whole encyclopedia Britannica,
		
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			he does
		
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			have a breadth of knowledge.
		
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			So
		
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			he's good at accessing biblical scholarship.
		
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			He's good at dealing with the Arabic
		
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			difficulties
		
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			of the text. He understands it really well.
		
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			He knows that you have to understand contemporary
		
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			archaeology.
		
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			So it is
		
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			a good deal,
		
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			in fact, infinitely better
		
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			than the sort of tafsir, which a lot
		
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			of English speaking Muslims are more familiar with,
		
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			which is Abdallah Yusuf Ali's
		
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			Quran,
		
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			which may well be the most frequently printed
		
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			translation of the Quran
		
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			into English,
		
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			maybe into any Western language.
		
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			And which even though it's kind of flowery
		
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			and inoffensive
		
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			is really quite a problematic text.
		
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			Because he is very much
		
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			in the, say, Ahmed Khan apologetic
		
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			mode. He doesn't really
		
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			but even jinn, he's not really sure about
		
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			angels.
		
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			Anything that looks supernatural
		
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			is rationalistically
		
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			explained away.
		
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			Heaven and * are not really about reward
		
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			and punishment, but are some kind of intellectual.
		
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			It's,
		
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			quite alarming really, even though in the seventies
		
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			eighties,
		
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			various Muslims tried to
		
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			smooth over
		
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			these
		
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			irregularities.
		
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			But,
		
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			it's now falling out of favor, I think.
		
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			So,
		
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			that came out whenever it was 1935.
		
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			This is about 10 years later.
		
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			But it's a real tafsir,
		
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			based on real knowledge
		
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			and a determination to be authentic in the
		
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			sort of traditional Islam sense, but not a
		
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			sectarian sense.
		
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			Now
		
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			there's so much that's sort
		
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			of a bit puzzling about it. I'm certainly
		
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			not saying that it's perfect and there's misprints,
		
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			and
		
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			it's written for early 20th century Indians.
		
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			So,
		
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			specifically for their work. But,
		
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			the it's interesting. Even though he spent 7
		
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			years or so working on this and actually
		
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			suspended publication of his weekly journal,
		
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			Sintra, for 2 years just so that he
		
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			could get down to this.
		
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			The introduction is less than 4 pages, and
		
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			he even calls it just a preface.
		
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			Why is that? But actually, if you look
		
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			at it, it really does
		
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			talk about,
		
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			you know, the
		
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			problems of translation.
		
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			It's not an introduction to the Quran. It's
		
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			a problem it's an introduction to the problems
		
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			of translation.
		
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			In really nice English,
		
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			Of all great works, this is how he
		
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			starts, the holy Quran is perhaps the least
		
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			translatable.
		
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			Arabic is not at all easy to translate
		
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			into a language so widely and radically differing
		
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			from it in structure and genius as English,
		
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			unless it be with the aid of loose
		
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			periphrasis
		
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			and lax paraphrase.
		
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			Even so the fire of the original is
		
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			quenched. Its vivacious perspicuity
		
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			is lost.
		
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			The so called literal translation looks rugged and
		
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			dreary.
		
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			That the language of the Arabs abounds in
		
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			nuances and both the noun and the verb
		
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			are extremely flexible
		
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			is a fact well known to every student
		
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			of that tongue.
		
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			That difficulty is increased a hundredfold,
		
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			when one has to render into English with
		
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			any degree of accuracy and precision, a work
		
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			so rich in meaning, so pithy in expression,
		
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			so vigorous in style and so subtle in
		
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			implications
		
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			as the holy Quran.
		
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			Now, so it's it's short, but the way
		
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			he expresses it is really spot on and
		
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			expressed with
		
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			with real concision. So
		
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			he describes the Quran as a work so
		
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			rich in meaning,
		
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			pithy in expression,
		
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			vigorous in style, subtle in implications.
		
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			That's a really
		
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			brilliant definition of
		
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			you know, why we find the Quran is
		
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			kind of like the Tardis. There's more inside
		
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			than outside, and you read it and it
		
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			kind of grows.
		
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			Each time you give a hot spot and
		
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			you look something up, you find a new
		
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			extraordinary
		
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			thing. And the delight of Islam really is
		
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			that the Quran is this banquet that continues
		
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			to feed you. It kind of
		
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			it's
		
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			the flowers keep keep growing.
		
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			And he's really really nailed it here I
		
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			would say. But anyway he has 6
		
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			impediments.
		
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			The impediments confronting an honest translator may be
		
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			summed up under 6 main heads and various
		
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			subheadings. So I'll do this just briefly.
		
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			1. In the first place comes the comparative
		
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			poverty of the English language in several respects.
		
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			For instance, there's a large number of Arabic
		
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			verbs untranslatable
		
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			into English as verbs.
		
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			Arabic is based on roots that are verbal,
		
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			and the nouns flow
		
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			from the roots. So it has this kind
		
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			of dynamic,
		
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			because a verb is something that is about
		
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			movement, about action.
		
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			A noun is about something that is static.
		
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			English uses a lot of
		
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			verbs in a kind of auxiliary sense. So
		
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			it's Arabic. It's verbs, verbs, verbs. It gives
		
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			tremendous energy, and he's he's he's seen this.
		
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			One has perforce to render each of these
		
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			words not by single word, but by a
		
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			combination of words.
		
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			So he gives some examples of that.
		
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			Next repetition of synonyms. Chiefly for the sake
		
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			of emphasis is a frequent incurrence in Arabic.
		
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			In the English language, there's no sanction for
		
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			it.
		
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			Thus, many such expressions as
		
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			literally, verily, we we we quicken the dead,
		
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			have to remain only partly translated.
		
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			So that's the second difficulty.
		
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			3, another serious difficulty is caused by the
		
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			case in which ellipses occur in the best
		
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			and finest Arabic style,
		
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			and both words and phrases have to be
		
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			supplied by the reader to make the sense
		
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			complete.
		
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			Yeah.
		
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			In other words there's something, there's things that
		
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			you understand when you read the Arabic, but
		
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			which aren't actually stated.
		
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			And the text has such dynamism that actually
		
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			the energy of it, the momentum carries you
		
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			over those apparent gaps. And it's more energised
		
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			and more kind of vertiginous as a result.
		
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			But doing that in English is difficult.
		
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			The obvious duty of the translator on all
		
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			such occasions is to supply the emission.
		
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			Although his attempts in many cases must be
		
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			hazardous, and he does this as Sayl does
		
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			by italicizing the bits that he's had to
		
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			to supply.
		
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			4, yet another perplexity has caused the translator
		
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			by the abrupt grammatical transition
		
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			in one of the same sentence frequent in
		
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			Arabic
		
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			of person as from the first and second
		
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			person to the third or vice versa. This
		
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			is what they call Iltifaat, which is in
		
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			the Fatiha,
		
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			which begins with he Allahu Rabbal Alameen and
		
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			then switches halfway through to the second person.
		
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			That's a strange thing in English. 5. A
		
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			further complication is caused by what is known
		
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			as intisaritomair.
		
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			A personal relative pronoun having different antecedents in
		
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			one of the same sentence.
		
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			In other words there may be a personal
		
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			pronoun
		
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			that seems to refer to a number of
		
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			things previously and therefore the ambiguity
		
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			adds to the richness of the text. But
		
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			when you translate it,
		
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			you can't maintain that ambiguity, except
		
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			a really good translator can sometimes do that.
		
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			6th, finally there's no real equivalence in the
		
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			import of many of the Arabic and English
		
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			words generally held to be synonyms.
		
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			Yeah. So how do you translate if the
		
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			Arabic doesn't have
		
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			a really
		
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			exact English equivalent
		
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			ever
		
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			really.
		
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			The Arabic word zena, for instance, there's no
		
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			equivalent in English. Both adultery and fornication being
		
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			of much narrower import.
		
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			Adultery is zina outside marriage. Fornication is zina
		
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			before marriage. So how do you translate zina
		
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			and so forth. Anyway, and then he goes,
		
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			on and then talks about his own,
		
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			his meager knowledge of English
		
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			and his passing acquaintance with Arabic. Well,
		
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			you know, some of the world's great novelists
		
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			nowadays come from India. I mentioned Arundhati Roy,
		
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			but there's plenty of others. So,
		
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			and in many ways, in India, today,
		
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			because they retain a kind of traditional Victorian
		
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			curriculum,
		
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			and little kids
		
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			learn a lot of Dickens,
		
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			they are better in English despite the accent,
		
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			than we are in England now. Because we
		
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			don't teach Dickens to
		
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			primary school kids any longer. We give them
		
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			basic things because there isn't a discipline that
		
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			can carry them through Nicholas Nickleby. So
		
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			generally
		
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			the Indian subcontinental
		
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			standard
		
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			of English in the better schools is better
		
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			than what it is in this country. So
		
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			That's why they're producing all of these great
		
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			writers. Anyway, so,
		
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			I found that really a kind of perfect,
		
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			but very brief statement of
		
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			he's not saying untranslatable.
		
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			Who's translated it? It is a translator. But
		
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			he's saying
		
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			yes but no. It's a translation, it's not
		
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			a translation. Anyway,
		
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			but he also uses classical
		
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			texts. I mentioned that he uses the Hanavi's,
		
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			Bayan al Quran,
		
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			but he also uses the classical commentaries quite
		
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			extensively. So he uses Baydawi. He uses Razi.
		
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			He uses Ibn Kathir. He uses
		
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			Ibn Abbas.
		
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			So he's really covered them. And also the
		
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			Ruach Anani of Alusi,
		
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			mid 19th century Iraqi commentator, which could be
		
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			seen as kind of the beginning of,
		
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			a new school of
		
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			commentary. Anyway, so he produces this work
		
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			and very complex publication history.
		
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			And this is one of the tragedies of
		
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			the Ummah. We don't have proper university presses.
		
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			In the Arab world, they certainly don't. The
		
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			only exception really is
		
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			Turkey, where the divinity faculties do have their
		
01:28:06 --> 01:28:08
			own journals and do have their
		
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			publication houses.
		
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			But not generally elsewhere in the Islamic world.
		
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			So he gives it to a Pakistani publisher
		
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			who mangles it.
		
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			Abolhyse and Nedwi
		
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			rescues it and works on it. And finally,
		
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			it's published in Lucknow in 4 volumes.
		
01:28:27 --> 01:28:29
			The first proper edition doesn't come out until
		
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			about 1985,
		
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			so it has to wait
		
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			40 years or so before it comes out.
		
01:28:37 --> 01:28:39
			He has other books on the Quran,
		
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			which are interesting. Arut Al Quran, which is
		
01:28:41 --> 01:28:43
			on the toponymics, the place names in the
		
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			Quran.
		
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			He has a book on, the famous
		
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			the the the proper names in the Quran.
		
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			So who is the firaun?
		
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			Who are these individual prophets and so forth.
		
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			This is aalam in the Quran.
		
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			Other books. He has a book on Tassawaf,
		
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			Tassawaf islamin,
		
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			published in Lucknow in 8 in 1929,
		
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			I think.
		
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			Which is an interesting kind of book, in
		
01:29:08 --> 01:29:10
			that it's a kind of summary of some
		
01:29:10 --> 01:29:12
			of the early Tassaroff manuals
		
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			from Sarraj,
		
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			4th century of the Hijra,
		
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			Kitab al luma,
		
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			Down to
		
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			again Mulla Abdulrahman Jami,
		
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			and
		
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			8th 9th century, and his lower ehar, which
		
01:29:28 --> 01:29:30
			we looked at briefly when we talked about
		
01:29:30 --> 01:29:31
			Jami. So a very interesting
		
01:29:33 --> 01:29:35
			way of introducing Sufism just by these
		
01:29:36 --> 01:29:39
			literary figures. And it's written to some extent,
		
01:29:39 --> 01:29:41
			in order to alert people who might be
		
01:29:41 --> 01:29:43
			seduced by the kind of Ahlul Hadith
		
01:29:45 --> 01:29:46
			attempt to shrink Islam,
		
01:29:47 --> 01:29:50
			that this is part of the fullness of
		
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			scriptural
		
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			Islam.
		
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			Here's a short seerah, which is interesting again,
		
01:29:54 --> 01:29:57
			unusual based very much on the seerah events
		
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			as these are recounted in the Quran.
		
01:30:00 --> 01:30:03
			And biographical works. So this Akbar Allah Habadi,
		
01:30:03 --> 01:30:06
			the satirical poet who helped to,
		
01:30:06 --> 01:30:09
			catalyze his his conversion or his reconversion. He
		
01:30:09 --> 01:30:11
			has a whole book about him. Very useful
		
01:30:11 --> 01:30:13
			biography, I'm told.
		
01:30:15 --> 01:30:15
			So he's
		
01:30:16 --> 01:30:18
			really in a state of some poverty in
		
01:30:18 --> 01:30:19
			Dariabad,
		
01:30:20 --> 01:30:22
			turning out these books and this journal. He's
		
01:30:22 --> 01:30:25
			able to do this partly because he's not
		
01:30:25 --> 01:30:27
			part of an organization, and he tries
		
01:30:28 --> 01:30:29
			to pull together,
		
01:30:29 --> 01:30:31
			you know, all of the Muslim tendencies in
		
01:30:31 --> 01:30:32
			India.
		
01:30:32 --> 01:30:35
			That's certainly been for CMC an important principle
		
01:30:35 --> 01:30:38
			that we don't have any confessional
		
01:30:38 --> 01:30:40
			requirements for studying here. Even if you're a
		
01:30:40 --> 01:30:42
			a Christian, you could take the BA at
		
01:30:42 --> 01:30:45
			CMC, and we're kind of inclusive in that
		
01:30:45 --> 01:30:45
			sense.
		
01:30:47 --> 01:30:48
			And I mentioned his
		
01:30:49 --> 01:30:52
			good relations with with these
		
01:30:52 --> 01:30:54
			Hindus. It is very important I think to
		
01:30:54 --> 01:30:57
			remember that this strict Islamic authenticity,
		
01:30:58 --> 01:31:00
			the guy whose mother won't stand on a
		
01:31:00 --> 01:31:01
			railway platform,
		
01:31:02 --> 01:31:04
			is also from that same world that was
		
01:31:04 --> 01:31:06
			friendly with Hindus and they were reading Persian.
		
01:31:08 --> 01:31:10
			That can't be stressed enough really,
		
01:31:11 --> 01:31:12
			in our polarizing
		
01:31:13 --> 01:31:14
			BJP
		
01:31:15 --> 01:31:15
			times.
		
01:31:17 --> 01:31:18
			So
		
01:31:24 --> 01:31:26
			he maintains this
		
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			extraordinary
		
01:31:29 --> 01:31:29
			sort of diligent
		
01:31:30 --> 01:31:32
			life as an independent scholar,
		
01:31:33 --> 01:31:35
			which is another mode that you find
		
01:31:36 --> 01:31:38
			some olemmat trying to follow nowadays. Even though
		
01:31:38 --> 01:31:41
			in the Islamic world, majority of Muslim countries,
		
01:31:41 --> 01:31:44
			there's so much state supervision of olemmat
		
01:31:44 --> 01:31:47
			and insistence that if you're going to work
		
01:31:47 --> 01:31:48
			on religion you have to do so in
		
01:31:48 --> 01:31:50
			the context of university or even a Darroch
		
01:31:50 --> 01:31:52
			law that is subject to some kind of
		
01:31:52 --> 01:31:53
			state scrutiny
		
01:31:53 --> 01:31:54
			because of the securitising
		
01:31:55 --> 01:31:56
			of religion.
		
01:31:56 --> 01:31:58
			It's really a privilege
		
01:31:58 --> 01:32:00
			to be outside that world and to be
		
01:32:00 --> 01:32:01
			able to research and to do
		
01:32:02 --> 01:32:04
			new and constructive things, rather than be part
		
01:32:04 --> 01:32:05
			of an apparatus
		
01:32:06 --> 01:32:07
			which is ultimately,
		
01:32:09 --> 01:32:10
			curated
		
01:32:11 --> 01:32:13
			in order to ensure the survivability of some
		
01:32:13 --> 01:32:16
			regime or other. That's a harsh judgement, but
		
01:32:16 --> 01:32:18
			a lot of our institutions have become like
		
01:32:18 --> 01:32:20
			that. They're ancillaries to
		
01:32:21 --> 01:32:23
			regime survival. This is a subversion that we
		
01:32:23 --> 01:32:24
			really have to,
		
01:32:25 --> 01:32:27
			at least, be alert to. But, you know,
		
01:32:27 --> 01:32:29
			in the west, rather like in the
		
01:32:30 --> 01:32:31
			republic in India,
		
01:32:32 --> 01:32:34
			you're not subject to those kind of strictures.
		
01:32:34 --> 01:32:36
			And as long as you're not outrageously
		
01:32:36 --> 01:32:37
			extreme,
		
01:32:38 --> 01:32:40
			you can do new things
		
01:32:40 --> 01:32:42
			the way he did in order
		
01:32:44 --> 01:32:44
			to serve
		
01:32:44 --> 01:32:45
			the
		
01:32:45 --> 01:32:47
			religion. So we should close.
		
01:32:48 --> 01:32:50
			He dies, as I say, at the beginning
		
01:32:51 --> 01:32:53
			of 1977.
		
01:32:54 --> 01:32:56
			He dies in Lucknow,
		
01:32:57 --> 01:33:00
			and the Jannazzar prayer, the first Jannazzar prayer
		
01:33:00 --> 01:33:02
			is held at Nedretul Olomar.
		
01:33:02 --> 01:33:04
			And according to his own wishes,
		
01:33:05 --> 01:33:05
			Maulana,
		
01:33:06 --> 01:33:10
			Abloh Hassan Ali Nedwi leads the Jahnazzar prayer.
		
01:33:10 --> 01:33:11
			He's buried in Dariabad,
		
01:33:11 --> 01:33:14
			kind of returning home, buried in the Dargah,
		
01:33:15 --> 01:33:15
			the little
		
01:33:16 --> 01:33:17
			Sufi cemetery
		
01:33:18 --> 01:33:19
			of his ancestor,
		
01:33:20 --> 01:33:22
			Sheikh Mahdoum
		
01:33:22 --> 01:33:24
			Ab Keshe, the one who brought water to
		
01:33:24 --> 01:33:26
			the village. Whatever it is
		
01:33:27 --> 01:33:28
			that he did.
		
01:33:29 --> 01:33:29
			And,
		
01:33:31 --> 01:33:33
			on his grave is inscribed, of course, a
		
01:33:33 --> 01:33:36
			Quranic inscription, which indicates his humility.
		
01:33:51 --> 01:33:53
			So in Surah Al Zumr, we have a
		
01:33:53 --> 01:33:55
			particular connection with Surat Zomer
		
01:33:55 --> 01:33:57
			at CMC. It's
		
01:33:57 --> 01:33:59
			the treasures keep keep coming.
		
01:34:00 --> 01:34:02
			I've never seen that Ayah
		
01:34:03 --> 01:34:03
			on
		
01:34:04 --> 01:34:05
			a gravestone
		
01:34:05 --> 01:34:06
			before.
		
01:34:07 --> 01:34:10
			The translation is, say, oh my servants who
		
01:34:10 --> 01:34:11
			have been extravagant
		
01:34:12 --> 01:34:13
			against themselves,
		
01:34:13 --> 01:34:16
			do not despair of Allah's mercy. Allah forgives
		
01:34:16 --> 01:34:17
			all sins.
		
01:34:17 --> 01:34:19
			He is the forgiving the merciful.
		
01:34:20 --> 01:34:21
			That's a very contrite
		
01:34:21 --> 01:34:23
			verse to choose.
		
01:34:23 --> 01:34:25
			And he was a very humble
		
01:34:26 --> 01:34:28
			person, despite these, you know, very significant,
		
01:34:29 --> 01:34:30
			accomplishments.
		
01:34:30 --> 01:34:31
			And
		
01:34:32 --> 01:34:34
			this has something to do, I suspect, with
		
01:34:34 --> 01:34:36
			his wandering in the darkness for 10 years.
		
01:34:36 --> 01:34:39
			It's sort of agnostic or atheistic period.
		
01:34:40 --> 01:34:42
			Don't despair of Allah's mercy.
		
01:34:43 --> 01:34:45
			That could be said of the whole Ummah
		
01:34:45 --> 01:34:47
			as we wander in this darkness of craziness
		
01:34:47 --> 01:34:49
			that's going on now. And
		
01:34:49 --> 01:34:50
			so few Muslim countries
		
01:34:52 --> 01:34:54
			to whose structures one can really give heartfelt
		
01:34:54 --> 01:34:58
			ascent nowadays. Things are really decadent, in some
		
01:34:58 --> 01:34:58
			cases,
		
01:34:59 --> 01:34:59
			outrageous.
		
01:35:00 --> 01:35:03
			There's a lot of darkness around, but look
		
01:35:03 --> 01:35:05
			at this. He went through the ultimate darkness,
		
01:35:05 --> 01:35:09
			came back again, shone light to so many.
		
01:35:09 --> 01:35:11
			So we're proud to have his tafsir in
		
01:35:11 --> 01:35:12
			the CMC library.
		
01:35:12 --> 01:35:14
			Insha'Allah it'll be in the library helping people
		
01:35:14 --> 01:35:17
			in a 100 years time. Do not despair
		
01:35:17 --> 01:35:18
			of Allah's mercy.
		
01:35:20 --> 01:35:23
			That's a good ayah to remember in this
		
01:35:23 --> 01:35:25
			time when we really seem to be in
		
01:35:25 --> 01:35:25
			a tunnel.
		
01:35:26 --> 01:35:26
			So,
		
01:35:27 --> 01:35:28
			yeah,
		
01:35:31 --> 01:35:32
			Abdul Majid,
		
01:35:32 --> 01:35:33
			Daria Bedi,
		
01:35:38 --> 01:35:40
			Interesting life, traumatized life, in a difficult time
		
01:35:40 --> 01:35:41
			of
		
01:35:42 --> 01:35:44
			shifting between a fully medieval
		
01:35:45 --> 01:35:47
			God oriented life to the pragmatism
		
01:35:48 --> 01:35:52
			of test tubes, railway trains, British Raj, institutional
		
01:35:52 --> 01:35:56
			racism. A difficult time he lived through. Caught
		
01:35:56 --> 01:35:57
			between 2 worlds
		
01:35:57 --> 01:35:58
			and showing
		
01:35:59 --> 01:36:01
			that because Islam is light and can't be
		
01:36:01 --> 01:36:03
			confined in any world,
		
01:36:04 --> 01:36:05
			that you can use Islam
		
01:36:06 --> 01:36:08
			in the context of the English language,
		
01:36:09 --> 01:36:10
			and the Quran's
		
01:36:10 --> 01:36:13
			light continues to shine
		
01:36:13 --> 01:36:14
			even in the language
		
01:36:14 --> 01:36:15
			of the imperialist.
		
01:36:17 --> 01:36:18
			So Islam
		
01:36:19 --> 01:36:20
			prevails.
		
01:36:21 --> 01:36:22
			It has the upper
		
01:36:23 --> 01:36:23
			hand.
		
01:36:26 --> 01:36:28
			What remains of the Raj
		
01:36:28 --> 01:36:29
			now?
		
01:36:29 --> 01:36:31
			Well, some messed up mines
		
01:36:32 --> 01:36:33
			and a few railway stations,
		
01:36:34 --> 01:36:35
			but Islam is still going.
		
01:36:36 --> 01:36:38
			Churches of the raj, largely empty.
		
01:36:39 --> 01:36:42
			Mosques are still full. Despite all of pessimism,
		
01:36:42 --> 01:36:44
			the mosques everywhere are still
		
01:36:44 --> 01:36:45
			full.
		
01:36:46 --> 01:36:49
			Do not despair of Allah's mercy.
		
01:36:49 --> 01:36:50
			So insha'Allah,
		
01:36:51 --> 01:36:51
			it's
		
01:36:51 --> 01:36:54
			a dramatic story, but one from which we
		
01:36:54 --> 01:36:56
			can learn practical lessons because it's a story
		
01:36:56 --> 01:36:59
			of our time and our age. May Allah
		
01:37:00 --> 01:37:01
			grant him,
		
01:37:02 --> 01:37:02
			paradise
		
01:37:03 --> 01:37:04
			and insha'allah
		
01:37:04 --> 01:37:05
			add to
		
01:37:07 --> 01:37:08
			the blessings that he has given to this
		
01:37:08 --> 01:37:10
			Ummah through his tafsir and his other works
		
01:37:10 --> 01:37:13
			inshallah, and support the Muslims of India in
		
01:37:13 --> 01:37:16
			these difficult times insha'Allah. They've been through difficult
		
01:37:16 --> 01:37:17
			times before insha'Allah.
		
01:37:20 --> 01:37:22
			Allah's word is uppermost.
		
01:37:29 --> 01:37:31
			Cambridge Muslim College,
		
01:37:31 --> 01:37:34
			training the next generation of Muslim thinkers.