Abdal Hakim Murad – Abdul Majid Daryabadi Paradigms of Leadership

Abdal Hakim Murad
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The history and cultural significance of the British Raj, the influence of the Tomsimat reforms on the cultural and political boundaries of the world, and the importance of studying the experience of the catastrophe of the First World War and dis Texs the light of the universe to encourage people to be more sober. The holy Bible is a combination of words, phrases, and subheadings, creating a complicated translation that is a combination of multiple words, phrases, and subheadings, and is not a translation. The holy Bible is used in various political settings, including the rise of Islam and the need for practical lessons to be learned. The importance of the holy Bible in modern times is discussed, including its use in various political settings and the rise of Islam.
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Assalamu alaykum.

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And welcome to the I don't know how

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many episodes we've had so far of these

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paradigms of leadership sessions.

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But in every case, I think we have

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experienced the truth of the Alemaz dictum that

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be

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dhikrihim

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tanzilurrahma.

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By remembering the great ones of the Ummah,

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mercy descends upon us.

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We do not have the contemporary cult of

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celebrity

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in

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the

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Islamic context, which is all about ego.

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But instead,

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we respect

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and find blessings in

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those whose lives have been uplifted and transformed

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and illuminated

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by the following of the chosen one, sallallahu

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alaihi wa sallam, who is the paradigm of

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all of these paradigms. To the extent that

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we are inspired by him and submit to

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his way,

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we become Islamic. There's no other way.

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So these are all different facets of the

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diamond

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of the chosen one

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All of these individuals who took themselves to

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be

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stepping humbly and at

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varying degrees of distance

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in his footsteps.

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The footsteps in which

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so many flowers grew.

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And,

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we began this series really by looking at

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one of the transitional figures,

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Imam Shamil,

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the great Mujahid scholar

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of

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the Caucasus

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of the Tavistain

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Adar borders,

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and considered ways in which the still entirely

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traditional world of Islam

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was being challenged in the mid 19th century

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by being pitched

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headlong against its will

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into

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European

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modernity.

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Unable to resist that encounter

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because of the military

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technological

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prowess

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of the European

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peoples who had, as it were, sold their

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religiosity

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in order

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to buy

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mechanical physical mastery.

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And so the ancient

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process whereby

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the older religions,

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understood by the olema as abrogated

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earlier versions

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of the one true faith,

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were naturally

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receding,

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started to be reversed in ways that the

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olamat found it very difficult to understand,

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often an extremely brutal process.

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Islam came to Europe

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at its greatest moments of its

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high tide,

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reached the Pyrenees

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and beyond,

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crossed the Saint Bernard's Pass, even the heights

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of

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Switzerland.

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And then to the east, of course,

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the Muslims of Russia,

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Islam reaching Russia

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before Christianity

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reaches Russia.

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And then in the Balkans,

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cities like Budapest,

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So much

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has been touched and illuminated

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by the spirit of Islam, not just for

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the illumination

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of

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the Muslims who came,

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but those who were protected

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by Islam, particularly

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the Jewish communities

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and other minorities

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in Islam's

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very cosmopolitan vision

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of

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how a decent human society

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is constituted

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and then pushed back

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with the most excruciating

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cruelty and violence

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in the west, the inquisition,

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and in the east,

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the destruction of the Muslims after the

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defeat at Kazan. So in the west,

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Pedro the Cruel,

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in the east,

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Ivan the Terrible.

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And this process went on, the destruction of

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Circassia, which we looked at briefly, and then

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the the appalling Russian penetration of the Caucasus

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and Imam Shamil defending his people

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with his ancient musket

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in that time of massive European triumphalism.

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And this mid 19th century period is the

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time of Iqam Adl Qadir Raja Zaire

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in the Islamic West.

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And it's the time of the Tomsimat,

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the great reforms, the modernizing Europeanizing,

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reforms whereby the Turkish empire becomes part of

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the Concert of Europe,

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part of the international system of nation states.

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The sultan moves into a European style palace,

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Dolmabahce. And the 1850s really are gigantically important

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as a kind of symbol of the Islamic

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world having to

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play this Western game in order to hold

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on to its remaining territories.

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We looked a few sessions ago at one

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of the figures further east who were engaged

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in this process of dialogue and retrenchment.

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That was more like a Hossein Ahmed Madani,

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of,

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one of the great scholars of of Dar

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Olom

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Deoband,

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and, great great inspiration.

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And I want to go back to India

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today,

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partly because,

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it's one of the great hubs of Islamic

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civilization.

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One could even just about make the claim

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if you visit

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the museums,

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the summit of Islamic civilization.

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Maybe the arts and the literature of the

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Mughal Empire were greater than the arts and

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the literature of the, say, Ottoman Empire or

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Safavid Empires. You could

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make that claim

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If you look at the just the cultural

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productions,

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the stonework of Fatehpur Sikri, the the textiles,

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the

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music,

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the cuisine,

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the Taj Mahal. It's one of the great

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summits of human civilization, or I might even

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say

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the summit of human civilization. It's a subjective

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judgment of course, but

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but pretty unsurpassable.

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And this

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civilization of the sacred

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with its olema and its munchis and its

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Khwarajas

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and its extraordinary

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upliftment of the story of Hind

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becomes colonised

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by the archpragmatists

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of Europe,

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the traitor English.

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They go there, not really for Christianity the

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way that, you know, Jesuits had done and

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the Portuguese had done.

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They go there to cut a deal. East

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India Company is a big multinational,

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which is emphatically

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profane,

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materialistic

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in its purposes.

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And this is the nature of the modern

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world. The modern world is about business. What

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is Brexit about? It's about getting the deal.

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It's not really about the symbolism of Western

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civilization and unity or none of those philosophical

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things. Still less spiritual things are mentioned or

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even

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on the minds of any of the negotiators.

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It's about

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fisheries and access to markets, and that's the

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level the civilization seems to be operating on.

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But the British are already there,

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in India

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to cut a deal after Clive, the Battle

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of Plessis, the destruction of Tipu Sultan. And

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then 1857,

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right in the middle of this decade that

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we're * as the watershed time for the

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Ummah.

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1857,

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the First Indian War of Independence, the Uprising,

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whatever you choose to call it, the last

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gasp

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of the old order

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and the arrest,

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the deportation

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and scenes of considerable

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misery

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of the last moron

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and his exile

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and the catastrophic

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end, symbolic end by this time, because his

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reign really is just in the old city

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of Delhi, but still he is walking the

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house.

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That means something.

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And then the East India Company becomes the

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British Raj,

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and a different kind of discourse, which is

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actually harder to accommodate,

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comes about. Because the East India Company had

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claimed to be about

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textiles from Bengal

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and opium

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and whatever made, made

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money.

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The Raj claimed itself to be a more

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civilizational exercise, the white man's burden,

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and became in its time the operator of

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a kind of soft apartheid separate

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railway compartments for Europeans and natives. That that

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thing

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that the Raj did, which was not what

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the East India Company had done, where intermarriage

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and a lot of cultural curiosity was was

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pretty normal.

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And the old days when it was assumed

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that if you were a collector or a

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judge in the British influenced parts of India,

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then you could deal

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respectfully with the culture of the natives by

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learning Persian in particular.

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That became less common.

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And a certain

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cantonment

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mentality developed. And this was a new scenario

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for the olema. And

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the adjustment was a painful one.

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And in a sense,

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was

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more intense than that that, say, the Ottoman

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olema found themselves confronting. Because until the end

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of the First World War, there were no

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Christian soldiers occupying Constantinople. But

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in India,

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it was

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a daily

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reality, the missionaries, the new churches,

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the railways,

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the

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the white man's burden,

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a painful experience.

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So we can learn a lot, even though

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we're now 2 centuries later,

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from that first Muslim

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impacting

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of the full tradition

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and the very pragmatic materialist Mercantile mentality of

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the British Raj and

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its

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assumption

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of its right to prevail civilizationally.

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And the story will be familiar to many

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of the reactions of the olema and the

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Muslim elites, which were all over the place.

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From a certain

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retrenchment

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of tradition

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and,

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an ideologizing

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in certain ways

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of aspects of subcontinental

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Islam, the development of the deal band

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and Braille v traditions,

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the emergence of Ahlil Hadith type fundamentalisms,

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the development of mashrabs and madhabs, and the

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concretizing of certain strands that have been distinct

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in Indian Islam for a long time, but,

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which had been less sectarian

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in the past.

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The beginning of significant

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a significant sense of Sunni, Shi

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differentiation.

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It was an age of sectarianism

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against the backdrop of what should we do

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with this new catastrophe.

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And some

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took the opposite view, if you can't beat

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them join them.

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Why are we defeated? It's because we didn't

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get to these scientific truths first. We didn't

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have Galileo, we didn't have Copernicus, we didn't

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have Newton.

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And therefore we weren't able to defend ourselves

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with the technologies that come from those scientific

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world views. And so a certain type of

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scientific

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apologia became quite common. Mulvee Chirag Ali, an

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example of somebody who's even quite happy to

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throw out

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the the scriptural

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baby with the bathwater of tradition.

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So, Sayed Ahmad Khan, founder of the Aligarh

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Movement, more considerable personality perhaps, but still somebody

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who's an arch modernist,

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and very keen to allegorize

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and interpret away any thing in the tradition

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that seemed not to fit his very

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Victorian, science oriented

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world

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view.

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So a world of real bifurcations. And of

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course, on the ground, the ordinary Muslims are

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still going to the piers and the the

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mazaars.

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And life for them, more or less, continues

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unabated, unlike French colonialism,

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which wanted to change everybody and evolve the

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Muslims' degree. And mussouement

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evolue, an evolved Muslim. In other words, a

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Frenchified Muslim. There's no other model of evolution.

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The British were content to allow

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local

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institutions,

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sacred spaces,

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urban fabrics to

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continue

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unimpeded

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to a considerable extent.

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Now we saw with with the sort of

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the Erband

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idea and with Hossein Ahmed Madani in particular,

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what you might describe as

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a continuation

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rather than a break with the past, but

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one that nonetheless was alert to a new

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set of questions which were being asked of

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and by the Muslim elite.

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Whatever

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happened, it was clear that one couldn't just

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continue with the magnificent world of the peacock

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throne and

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the the courtiers that was

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coming to an end. And even the little

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replications of it in the courts of Hyderabad,

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Bhopal, Ud and wherever were kind of

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clearly their days were numbered as

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the,

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they went riding with the saabs and the

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local collectors, and they joined the clubs, and

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they went to public schools, went to rugby,

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eaten and so forth. And that world

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was also being

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anglicised. That didn't seem to be a place

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where the tradition could continue

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uninterruptedly.

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There was a sense of hiatus

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and discontinuity, but we saw with Madani

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the continuation certainly of a kind of Tassowoff,

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the Hanavi Mathab,

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the Maturidi Aqeda,

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and the the Chishti Sabari line from *

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Imdadullah Maki in particular, who we looked at

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as as an example of a

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sober, but nonetheless

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charismatic,

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figure from from the the Chishti line.

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The sage who lived in the forest and

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then came out to inspire

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the the Olamath,

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great commentator on the Masnavi, the significance of

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Rumi in all of this. And this continues

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way back in India

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and goes on to inspire

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Bertrand Iqbal and continues to be

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exemplary.

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Molina,

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Rashid Ahmed Gangohi,

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who dies right at the beginning of 20th

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century, that world

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is also

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in response

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to the new facts of

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the raj.

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But the individual I want to talk about

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today is

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indicative of the crisis in a different way.

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And somebody who partook of the darkest aspects

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of the crisis for a certain

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significant period of his life.

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This is Maulana, as it's generally called. Although

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he didn't go to a Dar ul Olam.

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Abdul Majid Daria Bedi,

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who died in 1977,

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so part of our modernity, really.

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Died in in Lucknow.

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And

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what's interesting well, there's many things that are

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interesting and kind of indicative symptomatic about his

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life, which

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as is normally the case with a with

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a with an alim, is not kind of

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the imam Shamil idea of jumping over the

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heads of the astonished Russian soldiers to fight

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another day. It's not that kind of,

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heroism, but but still

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a jihad with a qalam,

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if not with a qadam,

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with

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pen, not with physically marching out.

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And known

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and this seems to be a particular feature

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of the Indian tradition at the time, as

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a Quranic scholar.

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Well, there are so many others,

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who are writing tafsirs,

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who were reflecting on the Quran.

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This is to some extent because of the

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apologetic environment

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that the missionaries,

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the rationalists,

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and the British are just looking at the

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Muslim scripture, the Quran, and taking it apart,

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rearranging it, figuring out

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how to criticize it,

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how to pull the rug from beneath the

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epistemic unity of the Mohammedan population in order

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to either make them go to Church of

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England services in Simla or something, or just,

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you know, to take away from their minds

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any thought of

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independence

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and autonomy to make them,

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subaltern

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subject of the colonial state.

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And,

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this focus on the Quran, which really is

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the kind of great love of,

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Daria Bedi's life,

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is, as I say, something that's very emblematically

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Indian. So I want I want

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to talk about,

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Dariabadi in particular,

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not just because his life is interesting and

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indicative, but because of so many larger issues

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about tradition and modernity.

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And how these paradigms of leadership

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adjust to the

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historically unparalleled

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challenges of,

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of of modernity

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and the unexpected

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regrowth

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of,

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empowered

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Ahl al Khitab opposition to the Tawhid of

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Islam.

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So,

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Dariabad is this small town in UP,

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Uttar Pradesh, then the United

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Provinces,

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which in many ways is the kind of

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intellectual and spiritual heartland of Islam in Hindustan

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generally.

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Deoband,

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of Lucknow, of Saharanpur,

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Delhi. This is kind of it was the

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core of the Mughal Empire, core of the

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intellectual

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life of of that world.

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Now he's

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from a kind of subcontinental

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Islam is kind of divided into groups and

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not quite castes, but family groups. You've got

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the Chaudhris in the east. You've got the

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Memans. You've got,

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it's a big

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deal in the subcontinent. He's from the kind

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of Kwidway

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caste or class, and you get Kridways to

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this day in that region, particularly in Lucknow,

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and also some in Karachi and elsewhere.

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From the Arabic word Qudwa

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Qudwatul Allahma or Qudwatul Qudat, because the

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eponymous semi imaginary ancestor

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of, these people was a was a certain

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more, is the Deen,

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who came to India, we're told, with one

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of the the Afghan

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waves of conquerors and settles in Ayodhya.

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Famous Babri mosque in Ayodhya, now being rededicated

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an

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idol temple.

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And,

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the the Gidway family, which continues to produce

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eminent scholars in the subcontinent

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and populate the universities there,

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have supplied the the basic bio data. So

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most of this talk is going to be

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based on this actually quite palatable, readable

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book. Journey of Faith Molana Abdulmajid Daria Bedi.

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Ibrahim Kidway is one of the

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editors. There's a lot of biodata in there

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as well. It's not just,

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selected very useful translations into English of pieces

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by him and about him. It's quite a

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useful kind of work. It's quite recent. We

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have it in the library here at CMC.

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So I'm going to be following this story.

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So there's this story of the Qiguays and

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how they came to India.

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Some modern olemmah have wondered about the wisdom

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of the propensity of the Muslims in Hindustan,

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unlike, say, the Muslims of the Balkans,

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or of China,

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or elsewhere

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to proudly trace their ancestry

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back to non Hindustani

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places because, of course, this provides ammunition

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for the Hindu nationalists who say, they're just

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colonists.

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You don't really belong.

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But after so much so many a 1000

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years of intermarriage and so forth, there is

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ethnically

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Indian as

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anybody else. And the

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just to open a parenthesis here, the

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the richness of this tradition,

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which even after the the pushing over of

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the Mughals by the Marathas, and then finally

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by the,

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by the the English,

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generated such extraordinary and unprecedented cultural richnesses in

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India, the tourists.

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They want to see the Taj Mahal. They

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want to see the Red Fort. They want

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to see, you know, the wonders of

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Muslim India.

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And they'll go and see Hindu temples and

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so forth. But it's it's the Mughal achievements

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that are the jewels in the crown of

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India that

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many thoughtful Indians,

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Arundhati Roy, for instance, are saying

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there is no better way of reducing the

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world's respect for India than denying this Muslim

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sort of summit,

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this jewel in the crown, this extraordinary, you

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know, wealth. And you visit the Victoria and

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Albert Museum in London at the Nehru Gallery.

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And there's Hindu stuff there, but the Muslim

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stuff is where you get the crowds.

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It's so amazing.

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So Hindu nationalism

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is not the same as Indian nationalism,

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because India is not just a Hindu thing,

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but is an accumulation as a cosmopolitan region

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of other things as well that that represent

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part of its greatness and,

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it's anyway,

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one of the reasons, I think, why you

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get more and more converts to Islam from

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Hinduism, and we see this

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really quite strikingly, is because,

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the Hindutva thing is

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turning the Hindu identity into yet another kind

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of nasty religious

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nationalism. A lot of people are kind of

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repelled from that and looking for alternatives.

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So one of the silver linings of this

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Modi type chauvinism

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seems to be a migration of young,

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thoughtful Indians in the direction of Islam and

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sometimes other religions as well.

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In any case, that that's another story, but

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the point is these people really see themselves

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as Indian,

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as part of the Hindustan

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development that was

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the Vedas and then the Dravidian, the Aryan

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invasions, and these accumulations of people who come

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from outside to bring it up, to become

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this sort of cultural

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amazement,

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that was that was India.

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So

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this idea that away from elsewhere is not

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is a kind of a 2 edged sword.

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But in any case,

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if any of them has a DNA test,

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you can see

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99%

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Indian.

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The nationalist thing doesn't really work. But,

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his great ancestor, who is a more historical

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figure,

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Khwaja Mahdoum

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Abkesh.

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Abkesh just means he brought water to a

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desiccated place.

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Settled in Dariabad,

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which is a small town, still a small

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town in UP. And the family are based

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there.

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His grandfather, Dari Bedi's

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grandfather,

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is certainly

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a Maulana in the tradition of of Olamat,

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of the Firangi Mahal Olamat of Lucknow, kind

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of rationalising traditionalist

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scholars, big on logic, kalam, that kind of

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of of rationality.

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This is Mufti Mozar Karim.

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He supports,

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of course, the Indian side

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against the British

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in 1857.

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Hard

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not to if you're an Alim.

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And the British

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don't shoot him out of a cannon

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the way they do with some others, but

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they exile him to the Andaman Islands,

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which is their kind of India's Australia penal

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colony,

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where he stays for several years and

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continues to translate and write books as an

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indefatigable scholar. He manages to get

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paper. He he writes on firq and tasawaf

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and does a

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medieval Arabic text on

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on on geography. He's

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not phased by this at all.

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His son,

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Mufti Mozar's son, Mavi Abdul Kadri, is also

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a graduate of this Firangi Mahal.

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Firangi Mahal is the district of the Europeans.

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That's what Firangi Mahal means, which is kind

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of if you're in Lucknow, it's the Chalk

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meeting Victoria Road, and the place is still

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known and pointed out. But this becomes a

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great sort of center,

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originally quite an informal way for,

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Hanafi olamah of the strongly rationalizing Matoridi tradition

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that comes originally through a genealogy going back

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to Samarkand and the Maturidis

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of of Samarkand,

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very developed karam tradition.

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So,

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Dariya Bhatti's father is also from that from

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that world.

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But this is now the Raj,

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and he in order to sustain himself, the

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Mughals are gone. If you want a decent,

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honorable

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living, you somehow have to deal with the

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fact of the British

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structure.

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So he becomes deputy collector

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in several districts in UP, which is a

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pretty,

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decent kind of job. Moves around, knows English.

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It's really important to understand that Daria Bedi,

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even though his further ancestors,

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Wunshi's, Malvies,

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poets,

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that they're already accommodating themselves to the new

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British reality.

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Speaking English,

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getting on with British railway officials and so

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forth.

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But he's still the father was still devout.

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A lover of the Quran, a lover of

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Persian poetry, a lover of Urdu poetry,

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and also known to have been respected by

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the Hindus. And in the context of modern

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Indian nationalism, it's important to remember that these

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traditional people

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had developed for years a close modus vivendi

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with the Hindu

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classes who all also are lovers of of

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Persian poetry

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and accommodated

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to the same world. So,

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that's his father, Rahmatullah.

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His mother,

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Nasirun Nisa.

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The women are important in these stories, but

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because they are master art,

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their world is not the documented world of

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the public space,

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but the no less significant world of the

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home, which

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is particularly important in that this is where

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the new generation is being

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shaped and schooled. Women have a particularly

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significant

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role.

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So when we look at her life, we

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see the real conservatism

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of these families at the time.

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When she took the train,

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they had to book a whole railway compartment

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in case some strange man came.

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She didn't wait on the platform,

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but she came in a kind of palanquin

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that was carried by bearers with curtains,

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which was put into the train,

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and she'd get out when she was in

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the train. So nobody could see anything at

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all. This was the real street.

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Purda.

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So she's from that world, but she's a

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lover of the Quran. She says tahajjud every

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night. She's really active in her world,

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which is a world

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of sadaqa,

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looking after orphans, feeding the poor. And orphans

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are one of the instruments of Islamisation

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in India because there's famines and famines and

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famines, and a lot of people died. The

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country is full of orphans.

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Muslim or Hindu orphans, they get taken in

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by these big

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traditional

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Elizabethan Urdu speaking families

00:29:02 --> 00:29:03

brought up,

00:29:03 --> 00:29:06

as Muslims as part of the enormous

00:29:07 --> 00:29:08

sprawling ethnic

00:29:10 --> 00:29:11

extended family.

00:29:14 --> 00:29:16

So this is his

00:29:16 --> 00:29:19

family background. He was born in 18/92

00:29:20 --> 00:29:22

in the town of Dariabad,

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and he does the traditional thing. The age

00:29:24 --> 00:29:27

of 4, the traditional Indian ceremony, the Bismillah.

00:29:27 --> 00:29:28

He recites

00:29:29 --> 00:29:31

the Arabic Urdu letters for the first time.

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He recites his Faatiha,

00:29:33 --> 00:29:35

everybody celebrates as a meal and he's off.

00:29:36 --> 00:29:38

So his early education is done at home

00:29:38 --> 00:29:41

in the traditional way with a Munshi who's

00:29:41 --> 00:29:43

around all day long. And

00:29:44 --> 00:29:47

Persian teachers, Quran teachers come to their house.

00:29:48 --> 00:29:50

And he does the very Persian focused,

00:29:50 --> 00:29:51

kind of ethical

00:29:52 --> 00:29:55

syllabus because the Persian style of teaching is

00:29:55 --> 00:29:58

kind of sweet and enjoyable for children, particularly

00:29:58 --> 00:30:00

texts like Saudi,

00:30:00 --> 00:30:04

the Gulistan, and the Bustan. It's nice stories,

00:30:04 --> 00:30:05

some of it quite amusing,

00:30:06 --> 00:30:09

but always with a moral and an Islamic

00:30:09 --> 00:30:09

message

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That Persian becomes an important instrument of

00:30:13 --> 00:30:13

communication,

00:30:14 --> 00:30:16

really, even for young children in in this

00:30:16 --> 00:30:17

world.

00:30:18 --> 00:30:20

So he does Saadis Bostan in particular.

00:30:21 --> 00:30:22

He looks at,

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he says that at an early age he

00:30:25 --> 00:30:27

was at post it memor ghazali's

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Kimyaisa Adet.

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Quite a difficult text,

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but something presumably sunk in.

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Mollajami,

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Yusuf Zuleikha,

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which actually we had a lecture on Mollajami

00:30:41 --> 00:30:43

a few months ago, and we did some

00:30:43 --> 00:30:44

extracts from Yusuf Zuleikha.

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Urdu poetry,

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moral tales,

00:30:50 --> 00:30:52

by the age of 7, his are half

00:30:52 --> 00:30:52

his.

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And he has because this is a kind

00:30:56 --> 00:30:59

of Lucknow UP world of everybody is into

00:30:59 --> 00:31:00

poetry

00:31:01 --> 00:31:02

Before people have

00:31:02 --> 00:31:05

phones to waste their lives on,

00:31:05 --> 00:31:06

poetry is the thing.

00:31:07 --> 00:31:09

The family members are saying, come to me

00:31:09 --> 00:31:10

with this to this book shop. I've heard

00:31:10 --> 00:31:12

that they've got a new poetry collection.

00:31:13 --> 00:31:15

Have you heard that there's a new edition

00:31:15 --> 00:31:15

of this?

00:31:16 --> 00:31:18

And books are everybody's life, that's all there

00:31:18 --> 00:31:20

is. There's not even wireless

00:31:20 --> 00:31:21

at this stage.

00:31:21 --> 00:31:24

It's just books. Everything is print media and

00:31:24 --> 00:31:25

manuscripts.

00:31:27 --> 00:31:29

So at the age of 8 he goes

00:31:29 --> 00:31:31

to school for the first time, and he

00:31:31 --> 00:31:32

proves exceptional.

00:31:33 --> 00:31:36

Now his parents, because his father is a

00:31:36 --> 00:31:38

district collector, are not putting him in a

00:31:38 --> 00:31:39

madrassa or a darulonorm.

00:31:40 --> 00:31:42

He doesn't engage with that world. Even though

00:31:42 --> 00:31:43

he becomes

00:31:43 --> 00:31:45

significant finally in the nadwatuloloma

00:31:45 --> 00:31:46

in Lucknow.

00:31:48 --> 00:31:49

But he goes to

00:31:50 --> 00:31:52

a kind of European style school

00:31:53 --> 00:31:55

in which he's one of the very few

00:31:55 --> 00:31:56

Muslim pupils.

00:31:57 --> 00:31:59

Almost everybody is Hindu.

00:32:00 --> 00:32:01

And,

00:32:01 --> 00:32:03

he has a good relationship with them. He

00:32:03 --> 00:32:05

learns English for the first time from a

00:32:05 --> 00:32:08

Hindu teacher. There's just 2 Muslim teachers in

00:32:08 --> 00:32:09

the school who are both Shia.

00:32:10 --> 00:32:13

Lucknow and region is a big, Twelver Shia

00:32:13 --> 00:32:13

community.

00:32:15 --> 00:32:18

Though his relations with Hindu is interesting. And

00:32:18 --> 00:32:21

again from this this book, let me just

00:32:21 --> 00:32:22

read a translation

00:32:23 --> 00:32:25

of Dhariya Bade's own recollection

00:32:26 --> 00:32:26

of,

00:32:27 --> 00:32:29

what it was like to be a minority

00:32:30 --> 00:32:31

pupil.

00:32:33 --> 00:32:34

It was for the first time that I

00:32:34 --> 00:32:37

came into direct contact with Hindus, who are

00:32:37 --> 00:32:38

my equals.

00:32:38 --> 00:32:40

Earlier I'd been in touch with only some

00:32:40 --> 00:32:42

subordinate Hindus, as for example the stable boy,

00:32:42 --> 00:32:44

office attendant, or private tutor.

00:32:46 --> 00:32:48

The Hindu custom of greeting with the folding

00:32:48 --> 00:32:51

hands, the excessive respect for Brahmins which bordered

00:32:51 --> 00:32:52

on veneration,

00:32:53 --> 00:32:54

the touching of the feet of teachers, their

00:32:54 --> 00:32:55

practice of untouchability

00:32:56 --> 00:32:57

even among themselves struck me.

00:32:58 --> 00:33:00

They did not share food or drink among

00:33:00 --> 00:33:00

themselves,

00:33:01 --> 00:33:03

never mind eating or drinking with Muslims.

00:33:05 --> 00:33:07

Students had the option to learn either Persian

00:33:07 --> 00:33:08

or Sanskrit.

00:33:08 --> 00:33:10

Most of the students who were of course

00:33:10 --> 00:33:12

Hindus used to opt for Persian.

00:33:13 --> 00:33:15

Even the majority of the teachers of Persian

00:33:15 --> 00:33:16

were Hindus.

00:33:18 --> 00:33:20

At the insistence of the Arabic teacher however,

00:33:20 --> 00:33:22

I chose Arabic as the optional language.

00:33:23 --> 00:33:25

This is a 100 years ago. India has

00:33:25 --> 00:33:26

really changed.

00:33:26 --> 00:33:29

It's hard to imagine that educated Hindus and

00:33:29 --> 00:33:30

schoolboys

00:33:30 --> 00:33:32

would prefer to do Persian where the literature

00:33:32 --> 00:33:35

is entirely Islamic. There's no Hindu Persian literature

00:33:35 --> 00:33:37

really that's in the canon.

00:33:38 --> 00:33:41

And that that was just the language of

00:33:41 --> 00:33:43

India. It was the language educated language of

00:33:43 --> 00:33:45

India before English came to

00:33:46 --> 00:33:46

displace

00:33:47 --> 00:33:48

it

00:33:51 --> 00:33:54

all. So I was weak in mathematics. My

00:33:54 --> 00:33:56

Hindu headmaster was kind enough to ask a

00:33:56 --> 00:33:58

class fellow to help me overcome my weakness.

00:33:59 --> 00:34:00

He did this job almost as a religious

00:34:00 --> 00:34:02

duty, and did not charge any fee.

00:34:03 --> 00:34:05

Although he was a needy student, he declined

00:34:05 --> 00:34:07

to accept the modest honorarium which I offered

00:34:07 --> 00:34:08

him after the examination.

00:34:10 --> 00:34:12

Later on he joined the education department as

00:34:12 --> 00:34:13

a demonstrator.

00:34:13 --> 00:34:15

In 1960 when he learned about the demise

00:34:15 --> 00:34:18

of my elder brother, he visited me after

00:34:18 --> 00:34:19

a gap of decades.

00:34:20 --> 00:34:23

While offering condolences to me he said, today

00:34:23 --> 00:34:25

not only your brother, my brother too has

00:34:25 --> 00:34:27

passed away. I stand by you in your

00:34:27 --> 00:34:28

grief. So he's

00:34:29 --> 00:34:29

very

00:34:30 --> 00:34:31

insistent later on when

00:34:32 --> 00:34:34

commonless tensions become

00:34:34 --> 00:34:36

the big issue in India,

00:34:36 --> 00:34:39

to record the fact that in his day,

00:34:39 --> 00:34:41

this is before the First World War,

00:34:42 --> 00:34:44

relations are pretty good and the Islamic culture

00:34:44 --> 00:34:46

is kind of the prestige culture.

00:34:47 --> 00:34:49

And he also notices his observation

00:34:50 --> 00:34:51

of these internal differentiation

00:34:52 --> 00:34:54

between the the Hindus. That they wouldn't share

00:34:54 --> 00:34:56

food amongst themselves,

00:34:56 --> 00:34:59

because they were from different castes and different

00:34:59 --> 00:35:01

sub castes and were simply not allowed

00:35:01 --> 00:35:03

to do that. So it's a very interesting

00:35:04 --> 00:35:06

reminder of of a different India,

00:35:06 --> 00:35:08

the pre pre partition

00:35:09 --> 00:35:11

India, before the British and others started to

00:35:11 --> 00:35:14

stir up this communist divide and rule thing.

00:35:14 --> 00:35:16

I think it's important for Muslims now to

00:35:16 --> 00:35:19

remember that things were not always

00:35:19 --> 00:35:20

bad.

00:35:21 --> 00:35:21

So,

00:35:23 --> 00:35:27

he then goes on to Lucknow, to something

00:35:27 --> 00:35:28

called Canning College, which is a Europeanized

00:35:30 --> 00:35:32

branch of the University of Allahabad.

00:35:33 --> 00:35:34

It becomes

00:35:37 --> 00:35:40

a university, Lucknow University, a bit later. By

00:35:40 --> 00:35:41

this time, it's a kind of branch

00:35:42 --> 00:35:43

of the other one.

00:35:44 --> 00:35:46

The lecturers here are mostly Europeans.

00:35:47 --> 00:35:50

Academics have come up from Europe, usually Germans

00:35:50 --> 00:35:51

or English.

00:35:52 --> 00:35:54

And here the subjects that he chooses are

00:35:54 --> 00:35:56

Arabic and philosophy

00:35:57 --> 00:35:58

and English.

00:35:59 --> 00:36:01

Those three things put together become really important

00:36:01 --> 00:36:04

in shaping his orientation and his technique in

00:36:04 --> 00:36:05

his in his tafsir.

00:36:06 --> 00:36:08

And the standard is pretty high as far

00:36:08 --> 00:36:10

as one could tell because the Arabic set

00:36:10 --> 00:36:12

texts include some of the hardest things. If

00:36:12 --> 00:36:14

you know Arabic literature, you'll recognize the names

00:36:14 --> 00:36:17

of the Diwan of Abu Tammam,

00:36:18 --> 00:36:18

the Muhammat

00:36:19 --> 00:36:21

of Al Hariri and Al Hamadani,

00:36:21 --> 00:36:24

Ibn Khaldun. This is fairly advanced

00:36:25 --> 00:36:26

stuff. But he's really

00:36:27 --> 00:36:29

even though he never really gets top grades,

00:36:29 --> 00:36:30

he comes out with a 21.

00:36:32 --> 00:36:33

He's really just

00:36:34 --> 00:36:35

an obsessively

00:36:35 --> 00:36:36

voracious

00:36:36 --> 00:36:37

reader.

00:36:38 --> 00:36:40

He's in the library of this Canning College

00:36:40 --> 00:36:43

place and he sets out to read everything

00:36:43 --> 00:36:44

he can get his hands on.

00:36:45 --> 00:36:48

So he hears weeks in advance with great

00:36:48 --> 00:36:50

excitement excitement that the new edition of the

00:36:50 --> 00:36:51

Encyclopaedia

00:36:51 --> 00:36:54

Britannica is going to arrive in Lucknow.

00:36:55 --> 00:36:58

Nowadays, young people might think, oh, the next

00:36:58 --> 00:36:59

series of Game of Thrones,

00:37:00 --> 00:37:02

that's where we are now, but back then,

00:37:02 --> 00:37:05

cyclopedia Britannica is coming. It doesn't reach the

00:37:05 --> 00:37:07

library yet, but he's impatient. So he has

00:37:07 --> 00:37:10

a Hindu friend who's bought it, who's wealthy,

00:37:10 --> 00:37:12

who agrees to lend it to him one

00:37:12 --> 00:37:13

volume at a time.

00:37:14 --> 00:37:16

So he reads the whole Encyclopaedia Britannica,

00:37:17 --> 00:37:18

38 volumes,

00:37:20 --> 00:37:21

and acquires

00:37:22 --> 00:37:23

as a result a

00:37:23 --> 00:37:24

pretty encyclopedic

00:37:24 --> 00:37:26

amount of knowledge. Even though

00:37:27 --> 00:37:29

when you read his tafsir it doesn't become

00:37:29 --> 00:37:30

particularly

00:37:31 --> 00:37:31

burdensome.

00:37:32 --> 00:37:34

It's not full of obscure references.

00:37:34 --> 00:37:36

He actually limits himself to a fairly small

00:37:36 --> 00:37:39

number of European sources when he's dealing, for

00:37:39 --> 00:37:42

instance, with biblical place names that relate to

00:37:42 --> 00:37:43

or annex stories.

00:37:44 --> 00:37:44

He doesn't,

00:37:45 --> 00:37:47

wear his learning on his sleeve, but clearly,

00:37:48 --> 00:37:50

erudition and also very strong memory

00:37:50 --> 00:37:51

to

00:37:51 --> 00:37:52

necessary

00:37:52 --> 00:37:53

preconditions

00:37:54 --> 00:37:54

for scholarship.

00:37:56 --> 00:37:56

So

00:37:57 --> 00:37:59

his reading in the library and the library

00:37:59 --> 00:38:02

is full particularly of English philosophers,

00:38:03 --> 00:38:03

Locke,

00:38:04 --> 00:38:05

Hume, well he's Scottish,

00:38:06 --> 00:38:07

John Stuart Mill,

00:38:08 --> 00:38:09

Henry James,

00:38:09 --> 00:38:10

author of this

00:38:11 --> 00:38:15

religiously quite subversive book, Varieties of Religious Experience.

00:38:17 --> 00:38:19

Lapna, of course, is also one of the

00:38:19 --> 00:38:20

great centres of Urdu

00:38:21 --> 00:38:21

learning,

00:38:22 --> 00:38:24

and he associates with people like Abul Kalam

00:38:24 --> 00:38:24

Azad,

00:38:25 --> 00:38:26

who later, of

00:38:26 --> 00:38:28

course, becomes another

00:38:29 --> 00:38:32

Qur'anic focused person. He's great Tarjumaan al Quran,

00:38:32 --> 00:38:33

bits of which are in English,

00:38:34 --> 00:38:37

And becomes the 1st minister of education in

00:38:37 --> 00:38:40

Independent India, Abu Kalam Azad, an opponent of

00:38:40 --> 00:38:41

partitioner,

00:38:42 --> 00:38:43

significant scholar, Mollana.

00:38:45 --> 00:38:47

In 1912, he graduates,

00:38:48 --> 00:38:49

and he wants to do a masters. It's

00:38:49 --> 00:38:51

already pretty unusual

00:38:51 --> 00:38:53

for an Indian to have a BA in

00:38:53 --> 00:38:55

those days. Even in England at the time

00:38:55 --> 00:38:56

it was unusual.

00:38:57 --> 00:38:59

Where to go for a masters in India?

00:38:59 --> 00:39:02

There's basically just two places. There's Benares Hindu

00:39:02 --> 00:39:02

University,

00:39:03 --> 00:39:06

and there's this place that Sirsayed Ahmed Khan

00:39:06 --> 00:39:07

has created in 18/75,

00:39:09 --> 00:39:11

the Anglo Mohammedan

00:39:11 --> 00:39:12

College

00:39:12 --> 00:39:13

in Aligarh.

00:39:15 --> 00:39:16

Now this

00:39:18 --> 00:39:20

still exists, of course. Aligarh is one of

00:39:20 --> 00:39:23

the main universities of India. Aligarh Muslim University,

00:39:23 --> 00:39:26

it's called now. And it has sub campuses

00:39:26 --> 00:39:29

in Bengal and Kerala and places, and is

00:39:29 --> 00:39:31

mainly science oriented now. But it has a

00:39:31 --> 00:39:33

faculty of theology with

00:39:33 --> 00:39:35

a Shi'i section and a Sunni section. That's

00:39:35 --> 00:39:36

how things are nowadays.

00:39:38 --> 00:39:39

But back then it was the only place

00:39:39 --> 00:39:41

where you could get a western style

00:39:43 --> 00:39:45

university education. And it was founded

00:39:45 --> 00:39:47

by Sirsair Ahmad Khan after his visit to

00:39:47 --> 00:39:49

Oxford and Cambridge. He wanted there to be

00:39:49 --> 00:39:51

an Indian Mohammedan

00:39:51 --> 00:39:53

version of this. So it has kind of

00:39:53 --> 00:39:54

Oxford type quadrangles

00:39:55 --> 00:39:55

and

00:39:56 --> 00:39:59

libraries, debating societies, chess clubs. It's that sort

00:39:59 --> 00:39:59

of Victorian

00:40:00 --> 00:40:01

institution

00:40:01 --> 00:40:03

and did a lot for the Muslims of

00:40:03 --> 00:40:06

the subcontinent. It was focused on the broader

00:40:06 --> 00:40:09

Aligar movement that included for instance a movement

00:40:09 --> 00:40:11

to reform the Urdu language. So that

00:40:12 --> 00:40:13

it became a little bit less

00:40:14 --> 00:40:15

complex,

00:40:16 --> 00:40:18

and rococo, and became a little bit simpler,

00:40:18 --> 00:40:20

so that more people could simply understand

00:40:21 --> 00:40:21

text.

00:40:23 --> 00:40:24

So

00:40:25 --> 00:40:29

he studies there where he encounters not just

00:40:30 --> 00:40:33

English empiricist philosophers, but also German idealists,

00:40:34 --> 00:40:36

Kant and Hegel in particular.

00:40:37 --> 00:40:40

He doesn't really thrive there. He moves on

00:40:40 --> 00:40:43

to St Stephen's College in Delhi, which again

00:40:43 --> 00:40:43

is

00:40:44 --> 00:40:45

is still there.

00:40:47 --> 00:40:48

I'm in touch with

00:40:49 --> 00:40:52

1 or 2 members of staff there. It's

00:40:52 --> 00:40:53

an Anglican institution.

00:40:54 --> 00:40:57

He continues his MA, but in 1912,

00:40:57 --> 00:40:58

his father dies.

00:41:01 --> 00:41:01

His

00:41:01 --> 00:41:03

father, before he dies, he dies on Hajj,

00:41:03 --> 00:41:04

he's buried in Mu'ala.

00:41:07 --> 00:41:07

His father,

00:41:08 --> 00:41:09

puts aside

00:41:10 --> 00:41:10

some

00:41:10 --> 00:41:13

income for him, that's not accessible. But, an

00:41:13 --> 00:41:16

important philanthropist called the Raja of Mahbodabad,

00:41:17 --> 00:41:20

donates some money for the support of him

00:41:20 --> 00:41:22

specifically because he's a rising

00:41:22 --> 00:41:23

star. Raja of Mahmoudabad

00:41:24 --> 00:41:26

is an interesting figure in the development of

00:41:26 --> 00:41:27

British Islam.

00:41:27 --> 00:41:29

You still hear his name

00:41:29 --> 00:41:30

amongst old timers.

00:41:31 --> 00:41:34

Now, but this in 1912 is the old

00:41:34 --> 00:41:35

rajah of Mahmoodabad,

00:41:36 --> 00:41:38

Muhammad Ali Muhammad Khan,

00:41:39 --> 00:41:41

who died shortly afterwards and the later raja

00:41:41 --> 00:41:42

of Mahamudabad.

00:41:43 --> 00:41:44

The Shi'i family,

00:41:45 --> 00:41:47

So he had a house in Karbala, which

00:41:47 --> 00:41:49

was then donated to the government of Pakistan,

00:41:49 --> 00:41:50

and that's what became of it,

00:41:51 --> 00:41:52

and is buried in Mashhad.

00:41:53 --> 00:41:55

But this rajah of Muhammad Ahmad

00:41:56 --> 00:41:57

Amir, I think,

00:41:58 --> 00:41:59

who Muhammad Ahmad,

00:42:00 --> 00:42:01

small city,

00:42:01 --> 00:42:03

mainly Muslim or maybe 5050

00:42:04 --> 00:42:07

Hindu Muslim with a big Muslim qaila castle

00:42:07 --> 00:42:08

in the middle, a traditional

00:42:08 --> 00:42:10

sort of Nawab scene.

00:42:12 --> 00:42:14

He's really a kind of Sufi, Shi'i,

00:42:15 --> 00:42:18

kind of ecstatic type, And it's he who

00:42:18 --> 00:42:21

creates the Islamic Cultural Centre in London,

00:42:21 --> 00:42:22

which is Regent's Lodge,

00:42:24 --> 00:42:26

which then becomes the Islamic Cultural Center, which

00:42:26 --> 00:42:28

is the Regent's Park mosque.

00:42:28 --> 00:42:29

He's the one who

00:42:30 --> 00:42:31

agitates for that,

00:42:31 --> 00:42:32

and,

00:42:33 --> 00:42:36

collects money and and makes that

00:42:36 --> 00:42:39

happen, and becomes its first director. A very

00:42:40 --> 00:42:41

even Arabi oriented,

00:42:42 --> 00:42:43

quite

00:42:43 --> 00:42:44

ecstatic

00:42:45 --> 00:42:46

lover of God, particular

00:42:47 --> 00:42:50

very aristocratic mother. I've I've met people who,

00:42:50 --> 00:42:52

remember him and were quite,

00:42:53 --> 00:42:56

he was particularly support supportive of the convert

00:42:56 --> 00:42:58

community at the time. That was before the

00:42:58 --> 00:43:00

Arab embassies really got got involved.

00:43:02 --> 00:43:04

His Marcia, his great poem in Urdu

00:43:05 --> 00:43:07

on the death of Imam Hussain,

00:43:07 --> 00:43:09

published in London just

00:43:09 --> 00:43:11

a couple of years ago, I think. So

00:43:11 --> 00:43:14

still his literary presence is there. But the

00:43:14 --> 00:43:16

Raja of Mahmood are bad, significant figure. So

00:43:16 --> 00:43:18

his father puts money in an account to

00:43:18 --> 00:43:21

support Daria Bedi, who's this promising student.

00:43:22 --> 00:43:23

His father

00:43:24 --> 00:43:25

dies, never comes back from Hajj,

00:43:26 --> 00:43:27

and then the bank

00:43:28 --> 00:43:29

breaks,

00:43:29 --> 00:43:31

and the money's gone.

00:43:31 --> 00:43:33

So he can't continue his MA,

00:43:34 --> 00:43:37

and the family, relatives, they're not really able

00:43:37 --> 00:43:39

to support him with this. So he never

00:43:39 --> 00:43:41

really finishes his academic career, which he said

00:43:41 --> 00:43:43

later on might have been a blessing. He

00:43:43 --> 00:43:45

might have ended up as a philosophy teacher

00:43:45 --> 00:43:48

in some minor university and kind of spent

00:43:48 --> 00:43:48

his time

00:43:49 --> 00:43:52

teaching Hegel to Indians. And fine, but not

00:43:53 --> 00:43:54

not transformative.

00:43:57 --> 00:43:59

But during this time,

00:43:59 --> 00:44:01

something is going on within him

00:44:02 --> 00:44:04

which is far from good.

00:44:05 --> 00:44:06

This is a time of

00:44:06 --> 00:44:08

spiritual crisis.

00:44:09 --> 00:44:12

The traditional olamaz discourse and the highfaluting

00:44:12 --> 00:44:15

Urdu and Persian poetry and the ancient talk

00:44:15 --> 00:44:18

of nightingales and rose gardens and Leila and

00:44:18 --> 00:44:18

Majdun,

00:44:20 --> 00:44:21

is colliding

00:44:22 --> 00:44:25

with the pragmatism of John Stuart Mill and

00:44:25 --> 00:44:28

the religious skepticism of Henry James, and there

00:44:28 --> 00:44:30

doesn't seem to be a way in which

00:44:30 --> 00:44:31

you can inhabit both worlds.

00:44:34 --> 00:44:36

Remember what we said about this 18 fifties

00:44:36 --> 00:44:38

watershed, the difficulty that so many Muslims had

00:44:38 --> 00:44:41

in adjusting themselves mentally to this completely new

00:44:41 --> 00:44:42

cognitive frame.

00:44:43 --> 00:44:45

Now all of this reading that he's doing

00:44:45 --> 00:44:47

late at night reading this philosophy in the

00:44:47 --> 00:44:49

the library at Canning

00:44:49 --> 00:44:50

College

00:44:52 --> 00:44:53

is starting to get to him.

00:44:54 --> 00:44:56

He doesn't have a language which enables him

00:44:56 --> 00:44:58

to process this new

00:44:59 --> 00:45:00

science based,

00:45:00 --> 00:45:01

very secular

00:45:01 --> 00:45:05

philosophy. Huxley was called Darwin's bulldog. These are

00:45:05 --> 00:45:06

really anti religious figures.

00:45:08 --> 00:45:11

And because he is inhabiting 2 worlds,

00:45:12 --> 00:45:14

the kind of traditional Munshi world of the

00:45:14 --> 00:45:15

extended family at home,

00:45:16 --> 00:45:17

Every second

00:45:18 --> 00:45:20

sentence is a line of poetry. And then

00:45:20 --> 00:45:22

he's reading this this Victorian,

00:45:22 --> 00:45:24

sort of, secular positivism.

00:45:25 --> 00:45:28

That because he's inhabiting these 2 worlds, he

00:45:28 --> 00:45:30

kind of falls into a spiritual crisis.

00:45:31 --> 00:45:33

And that maybe is the most dramatic sort

00:45:33 --> 00:45:36

of Ghazalian moment in his life, that effectively

00:45:36 --> 00:45:37

he loses his faith.

00:45:38 --> 00:45:40

He doesn't go out carousing, drinking, womanising, and

00:45:40 --> 00:45:42

so forth. He's not like that.

00:45:42 --> 00:45:44

He's still a very high minded person,

00:45:45 --> 00:45:46

but he's not

00:45:46 --> 00:45:47

praying any longer.

00:45:48 --> 00:45:51

And even when he puts his religious identity

00:45:52 --> 00:45:53

down when applying for this

00:45:53 --> 00:45:54

MA,

00:45:55 --> 00:45:55

under religion,

00:45:56 --> 00:45:58

he doesn't put Muslim, he puts rationalist.

00:46:00 --> 00:46:02

That's quite extreme to be that

00:46:03 --> 00:46:05

out and open about it.

00:46:05 --> 00:46:08

And it seems that he becomes pretty confident

00:46:08 --> 00:46:11

and arrogant that Olamat can't help him. They

00:46:11 --> 00:46:13

don't know these modern debates. They can't deal

00:46:13 --> 00:46:15

with John Stuart Mill and so forth.

00:46:18 --> 00:46:19

His brilliant world

00:46:20 --> 00:46:22

with all of its articulateness

00:46:22 --> 00:46:24

doesn't have anything to say to him. It's

00:46:24 --> 00:46:25

dumb.

00:46:26 --> 00:46:28

So he's in this kind of desert,

00:46:31 --> 00:46:31

and

00:46:32 --> 00:46:34

during this time starts to publish, he's still

00:46:34 --> 00:46:35

in his early twenties,

00:46:36 --> 00:46:37

very smart.

00:46:38 --> 00:46:39

Unwin publishes in London,

00:46:40 --> 00:46:41

bring out

00:46:42 --> 00:46:42

a book,

00:46:43 --> 00:46:44

Psychology of Leadership,

00:46:44 --> 00:46:47

quite appropriate for these lectures, which is in

00:46:47 --> 00:46:50

English. He writes it in nice English.

00:46:52 --> 00:46:54

And it's pretty hostile to the idea of

00:46:54 --> 00:46:57

prophecy, to the idea of belief in God.

00:46:57 --> 00:46:58

It's about progress,

00:46:59 --> 00:46:59

science,

00:47:00 --> 00:47:00

positivism,

00:47:01 --> 00:47:03

reason, all of these sort of 19th century

00:47:03 --> 00:47:04

Victorian

00:47:04 --> 00:47:06

ideals that were then going to come

00:47:07 --> 00:47:10

under severe pressure in the 20th century

00:47:10 --> 00:47:11

following

00:47:12 --> 00:47:14

rationalist ideologies of communism, Marxism,

00:47:14 --> 00:47:15

and then,

00:47:16 --> 00:47:18

the collapse of the Newtonian

00:47:19 --> 00:47:21

idea of cause and effect at the hands

00:47:21 --> 00:47:21

of Darwin,

00:47:22 --> 00:47:23

at the hands of,

00:47:25 --> 00:47:25

Einstein.

00:47:26 --> 00:47:27

Relativity,

00:47:28 --> 00:47:30

when theology started to become much more intellectually

00:47:30 --> 00:47:32

interesting again. But this time,

00:47:33 --> 00:47:34

it is hard.

00:47:35 --> 00:47:37

So he starts to write anonymous

00:47:38 --> 00:47:39

articles defending secularity

00:47:40 --> 00:47:41

and atheism

00:47:41 --> 00:47:44

in Urdu journals. But word gets out.

00:47:44 --> 00:47:45

So

00:47:45 --> 00:47:47

Ahmed Raza Khan,

00:47:47 --> 00:47:48

who is never hesitant

00:47:49 --> 00:47:51

to hurl an anathema at anybody, calls him

00:47:51 --> 00:47:52

kafir.

00:47:53 --> 00:47:55

Becomes a big big deal.

00:47:57 --> 00:47:58

But then slowly

00:47:59 --> 00:48:02

his views start to moderate. He's a kind

00:48:02 --> 00:48:04

of zealous convert to the

00:48:04 --> 00:48:05

to nothingness.

00:48:07 --> 00:48:07

But

00:48:08 --> 00:48:11

it's very important to recognize how this happens,

00:48:11 --> 00:48:13

because even today there are Muslims who have

00:48:14 --> 00:48:16

a crisis. They go to a degree in

00:48:16 --> 00:48:18

medicine, and they think Darwin can't be reconciled.

00:48:18 --> 00:48:19

It becomes

00:48:19 --> 00:48:21

the more these are, but the mosque can't

00:48:21 --> 00:48:23

really help, and so there's a crisis.

00:48:24 --> 00:48:26

And in this generation, this is really the

00:48:26 --> 00:48:28

first time when this is happening to the

00:48:28 --> 00:48:29

Ummah,

00:48:29 --> 00:48:31

across the Ummah. But in his case, you

00:48:31 --> 00:48:32

know, particularly

00:48:33 --> 00:48:36

scandalous given his background and his ancestry and

00:48:37 --> 00:48:38

his his Ahafis.

00:48:39 --> 00:48:42

So it's important to spend some time thinking

00:48:42 --> 00:48:45

about how it was during these 10 years

00:48:45 --> 00:48:47

that he starts to soften and comes back.

00:48:48 --> 00:48:50

This is like Salman Rushdie, but a 100

00:48:50 --> 00:48:51

years earlier.

00:48:53 --> 00:48:56

The Salman Rushdie crisis is book burning and

00:48:56 --> 00:48:56

hyperventilating

00:48:57 --> 00:49:00

and Khomeini's fatwa, and that if anything pushes

00:49:00 --> 00:49:02

Rushdie further away.

00:49:02 --> 00:49:04

It's certainly not the kind

00:49:05 --> 00:49:07

of panic, knee jerk reaction that's going to

00:49:07 --> 00:49:08

melt his heart and think, well, maybe I

00:49:08 --> 00:49:10

should start taking Islam more seriously.

00:49:11 --> 00:49:12

100 years ago,

00:49:13 --> 00:49:15

the Muslim olema and population of India were

00:49:15 --> 00:49:17

more subtle and more confident,

00:49:18 --> 00:49:20

and thought instead of pressing the panic button,

00:49:21 --> 00:49:22

let's work with him.

00:49:24 --> 00:49:25

Let's pray for him.

00:49:25 --> 00:49:28

It said his father went on Hajj specifically

00:49:28 --> 00:49:29

to pray for his son.

00:49:31 --> 00:49:33

But never heard the news that it'd come

00:49:33 --> 00:49:35

back to Islam. It was a real source

00:49:35 --> 00:49:35

of

00:49:36 --> 00:49:37

grief for

00:49:37 --> 00:49:38

him.

00:49:38 --> 00:49:41

Scholars who are already in his circle are

00:49:41 --> 00:49:42

trying to reason with this passionate

00:49:44 --> 00:49:46

dogmatic young man. One is Muhammad Ali Johar,

00:49:46 --> 00:49:48

who becomes one of the key figures in

00:49:48 --> 00:49:50

the congress party, and a key

00:49:51 --> 00:49:52

quite often imprisoned

00:49:53 --> 00:49:53

activist

00:49:54 --> 00:49:55

and agitator against,

00:49:56 --> 00:49:56

against

00:49:57 --> 00:49:58

the the Raj.

00:49:58 --> 00:50:00

In fact, he becomes the president of the

00:50:00 --> 00:50:04

National Congress party for for a while. He's

00:50:04 --> 00:50:04

another

00:50:04 --> 00:50:05

Aligar

00:50:06 --> 00:50:08

graduate, but also studies

00:50:08 --> 00:50:10

in Oxford. So he's a very interesting example

00:50:10 --> 00:50:12

of this transitional generation,

00:50:12 --> 00:50:14

Regarded as a bit too kind of dogmatically

00:50:14 --> 00:50:16

religious by some of the more kind of

00:50:16 --> 00:50:17

secularizing

00:50:17 --> 00:50:18

Jina type,

00:50:19 --> 00:50:20

people in India at the time,

00:50:21 --> 00:50:24

but a really triumphant defender of the Quran.

00:50:25 --> 00:50:27

Really good in English, writes articles in The

00:50:27 --> 00:50:28

Times and The Guardian.

00:50:29 --> 00:50:32

Somebody worth finding out about, Muhammad Ali Johar

00:50:32 --> 00:50:33

from this transitional,

00:50:35 --> 00:50:37

generation. So he goes to him and tries

00:50:37 --> 00:50:39

to kind of listen to him, to deal

00:50:39 --> 00:50:41

gently with him, to hear his arguments, to

00:50:41 --> 00:50:42

try and find

00:50:42 --> 00:50:44

some common ground.

00:50:46 --> 00:50:47

In the background,

00:50:48 --> 00:50:49

and the extent of this,

00:50:50 --> 00:50:52

has not really been fully acknowledged by a

00:50:52 --> 00:50:55

lot of modern Indian writers who are still

00:50:55 --> 00:50:57

in the shadow of the Aligarh movement's determination

00:50:58 --> 00:51:00

to demonstrate against the,

00:51:01 --> 00:51:02

idea of so many

00:51:03 --> 00:51:04

British writers

00:51:04 --> 00:51:06

that Indian religion is a kind

00:51:06 --> 00:51:08

of folklore or primitivism.

00:51:09 --> 00:51:10

But there is in the family,

00:51:11 --> 00:51:12

another influence.

00:51:13 --> 00:51:16

The influence of somebody called Waris Ali Shah.

00:51:17 --> 00:51:19

Now Waris Ali Shah died in 1905,

00:51:20 --> 00:51:21

so this is before

00:51:21 --> 00:51:22

the crisis.

00:51:22 --> 00:51:25

But his disciples, Dervish's acolytes, are still around.

00:51:25 --> 00:51:26

And,

00:51:26 --> 00:51:29

he is from a place called Dehwa. Now

00:51:29 --> 00:51:31

it is Dehwa Sharif, which is only kind

00:51:31 --> 00:51:31

of

00:51:32 --> 00:51:34

a day's walk, if you like, from for

00:51:34 --> 00:51:36

Lucknow. This is the big spiritual happening

00:51:37 --> 00:51:39

of the region in the late 19th century.

00:51:41 --> 00:51:41

And,

00:51:45 --> 00:51:48

this movement is a kind of

00:51:48 --> 00:51:51

really medieval movement in many ways. This has

00:51:51 --> 00:51:53

nothing to do with any kind of

00:51:54 --> 00:51:54

formalised,

00:51:55 --> 00:51:56

fastidious,

00:51:57 --> 00:51:58

deobandi precision,

00:51:59 --> 00:52:01

nor has it anything to do

00:52:01 --> 00:52:04

with Gerard Ali or Sayed Ahmed Khan,

00:52:05 --> 00:52:05

Yusuf

00:52:07 --> 00:52:11

Ali, reformism or rationalism. This is traditional Indian

00:52:11 --> 00:52:11

Sufism.

00:52:13 --> 00:52:13

And

00:52:14 --> 00:52:15

the walasis

00:52:15 --> 00:52:16

continue to exist.

00:52:18 --> 00:52:20

He is this ecstatic.

00:52:20 --> 00:52:21

So

00:52:21 --> 00:52:24

the story, and it's worth being aware that

00:52:24 --> 00:52:27

behind the scenes of these kind of Anglicised

00:52:27 --> 00:52:28

elites, traditional

00:52:29 --> 00:52:31

India is still what most people are following.

00:52:32 --> 00:52:33

5 generations

00:52:34 --> 00:52:34

before

00:52:35 --> 00:52:36

Walrus Ali Shah

00:52:37 --> 00:52:39

burst onto the scene as this kind of

00:52:39 --> 00:52:40

geyser of ecstatic,

00:52:41 --> 00:52:42

wheelayer,

00:52:45 --> 00:52:48

A wandering dervish had come 5 generations to

00:52:48 --> 00:52:49

to his ancestor,

00:52:50 --> 00:52:52

saying my greetings to you and to him

00:52:52 --> 00:52:54

who will be born in your family. Allah

00:52:54 --> 00:52:56

has illuminated your brow. I offer you my

00:52:56 --> 00:52:56

congratulations.

00:52:58 --> 00:53:00

His qualities will spill over the boundaries of

00:53:00 --> 00:53:01

2 worlds.

00:53:01 --> 00:53:03

His conduct and kindness will resemble the light

00:53:03 --> 00:53:04

of Mustapha.

00:53:05 --> 00:53:07

It will be popular from east to west

00:53:07 --> 00:53:10

in young people. Even among Christians, they will

00:53:10 --> 00:53:12

acknowledge him as their leader. He will be

00:53:12 --> 00:53:13

the guide of every religion.

00:53:13 --> 00:53:15

He will fulfill the aspirations and hopes of

00:53:15 --> 00:53:16

everyone.

00:53:16 --> 00:53:19

So kind of a legendary account,

00:53:19 --> 00:53:22

But an indication of the idea that

00:53:22 --> 00:53:23

Islam then,

00:53:23 --> 00:53:25

through the optic of the Sufis,

00:53:26 --> 00:53:27

was something

00:53:27 --> 00:53:30

too enormous to fit into one particular

00:53:31 --> 00:53:33

vessel, but overflowed because of the immensity of

00:53:33 --> 00:53:34

the wallaya

00:53:35 --> 00:53:37

of these people who lived in poverty and

00:53:37 --> 00:53:38

when they inherited

00:53:38 --> 00:53:39

gave it away.

00:53:40 --> 00:53:40

So,

00:53:41 --> 00:53:43

this is the founder of the walrusi order.

00:53:45 --> 00:53:47

They're big in karachi nowadays, but they still

00:53:47 --> 00:53:49

have, for instance, the warasi brothers, great kawali

00:53:49 --> 00:53:52

singers in Hyderabad and so forth.

00:53:53 --> 00:53:55

Keeping that tradition alive, this kind of ecstatic

00:53:56 --> 00:53:58

folk, Wali centered

00:53:58 --> 00:53:59

Islam.

00:54:00 --> 00:54:02

And as this prophecy indicated,

00:54:02 --> 00:54:05

the disciples of this tariqa would include many

00:54:05 --> 00:54:06

Hindus.

00:54:06 --> 00:54:09

To be a formal mureed initiated bay'a, you

00:54:09 --> 00:54:11

had to be Mohammedan.

00:54:12 --> 00:54:14

But you could certainly come and participate and

00:54:14 --> 00:54:16

get the sheikh's guidance, your dream interpreted if

00:54:16 --> 00:54:18

you were Hindu. So this is the traditional

00:54:18 --> 00:54:20

way Islam is spread in the subcontinent. And

00:54:20 --> 00:54:22

one of the things Muslims in the subcontinent

00:54:23 --> 00:54:25

have lost in the 20th century is this

00:54:25 --> 00:54:26

idea of bringing in

00:54:27 --> 00:54:29

everybody from the principle of the holy man,

00:54:29 --> 00:54:31

which is really interesting to

00:54:32 --> 00:54:35

everybody in India. So this name Wararsi is

00:54:35 --> 00:54:38

a sort of surname or patronymic,

00:54:38 --> 00:54:40

which can be carried by Hindus as well

00:54:40 --> 00:54:41

as by Muslims.

00:54:41 --> 00:54:44

Muslim contact, for instance we have Baroness Warrzey

00:54:44 --> 00:54:46

in this country of course in some complex

00:54:46 --> 00:54:47

way

00:54:47 --> 00:54:48

comes from

00:54:48 --> 00:54:51

that world. So this Waris Alisham,

00:54:52 --> 00:54:54

completely traditional person, ecstatic

00:54:55 --> 00:54:56

outpour of

00:54:57 --> 00:54:57

amazing

00:54:58 --> 00:55:00

poetry and a wonder worker.

00:55:00 --> 00:55:02

And people in his presence went into a

00:55:02 --> 00:55:03

kind

00:55:03 --> 00:55:04

of hal or ecstasy.

00:55:05 --> 00:55:06

This is certainly

00:55:07 --> 00:55:08

the traditional form

00:55:09 --> 00:55:10

of Sufism in India.

00:55:10 --> 00:55:13

He goes to England and meets Queen Victoria,

00:55:13 --> 00:55:14

who is amazed by him.

00:55:15 --> 00:55:16

He meets

00:55:17 --> 00:55:18

Otto von Bismarck

00:55:18 --> 00:55:19

in Germany.

00:55:20 --> 00:55:22

He wants to spread this message of

00:55:22 --> 00:55:24

love, ecstasy,

00:55:24 --> 00:55:26

kindness to everybody,

00:55:26 --> 00:55:29

to everybody. So goes to in goes to

00:55:29 --> 00:55:31

Europe and because his famous

00:55:32 --> 00:55:32

fakir

00:55:33 --> 00:55:33

or dervish,

00:55:34 --> 00:55:36

is received by people and

00:55:36 --> 00:55:36

immensely

00:55:37 --> 00:55:37

respected.

00:55:39 --> 00:55:41

So that is in the background. The family

00:55:41 --> 00:55:42

is aware of that as well. There as

00:55:42 --> 00:55:45

well as this kind of rationalist Virangi Mahal

00:55:45 --> 00:55:48

thing. There is ecstasy, halal wedged.

00:55:50 --> 00:55:50

Which,

00:55:51 --> 00:55:53

of course, the the the problem with that

00:55:53 --> 00:55:55

is that it can become decadent

00:55:56 --> 00:55:57

quite easily,

00:55:58 --> 00:56:00

because of the focus on the personality of

00:56:00 --> 00:56:02

the sheikh and the shrine of the sheikh.

00:56:02 --> 00:56:03

Those places often

00:56:04 --> 00:56:05

nowadays, if you visit them, can be quite

00:56:05 --> 00:56:06

depressing.

00:56:08 --> 00:56:10

The aroma of hashish in the air, people

00:56:10 --> 00:56:13

not really bothering with the prayers, and not

00:56:14 --> 00:56:15

properly segregating

00:56:16 --> 00:56:16

the genders,

00:56:17 --> 00:56:19

and people selling talismans and

00:56:20 --> 00:56:22

exorcists, and it's that kind

00:56:22 --> 00:56:24

of folk religion which is often

00:56:25 --> 00:56:25

explicitly

00:56:26 --> 00:56:27

decadent.

00:56:28 --> 00:56:30

So quite often that sort of Sufism

00:56:31 --> 00:56:34

kind of collapses quite quickly into that. The

00:56:34 --> 00:56:36

white hot transformative

00:56:36 --> 00:56:38

power of the sheikh during his lifetime.

00:56:40 --> 00:56:42

Charisma is routinised in ways that can be

00:56:42 --> 00:56:45

not always, but can be quite quite negative.

00:56:45 --> 00:56:47

But that is there in the background and

00:56:48 --> 00:56:50

those people are around. His experience

00:56:51 --> 00:56:52

of holy people

00:56:52 --> 00:56:54

is part of his make up.

00:56:57 --> 00:56:59

Somebody who is kind of on that side

00:56:59 --> 00:57:01

of things but is a poet is Akbar

00:57:01 --> 00:57:01

Allahabadi,

00:57:03 --> 00:57:05

who is a noted Urdu stylist but also

00:57:05 --> 00:57:07

a judge. So he's part of the British

00:57:08 --> 00:57:10

scheme. But pro independence,

00:57:11 --> 00:57:13

a lot of his Urdu poetry is satire

00:57:14 --> 00:57:17

mocking British civilization and the pomposity of

00:57:18 --> 00:57:18

the British.

00:57:19 --> 00:57:21

And Akbar Allah Habari seems to have been

00:57:21 --> 00:57:22

quite

00:57:22 --> 00:57:25

instrumental in his reconversion to Islam.

00:57:26 --> 00:57:28

His friends with him, they can talk about

00:57:28 --> 00:57:30

literature together. They have things in common. He's

00:57:30 --> 00:57:32

very gentle. He doesn't shout at him. He

00:57:32 --> 00:57:35

doesn't say, careful shout. It's not like

00:57:35 --> 00:57:37

the modern Saudi olamat

00:57:37 --> 00:57:38

who say that

00:57:39 --> 00:57:39

atheism

00:57:40 --> 00:57:40

is terrorism

00:57:41 --> 00:57:42

and

00:57:42 --> 00:57:43

bore everybody with

00:57:44 --> 00:57:45

sort of stupid emotional

00:57:45 --> 00:57:47

reactions. He's he's

00:57:47 --> 00:57:48

genuinely concerned

00:57:49 --> 00:57:50

to help and,

00:57:51 --> 00:57:52

advises him

00:57:52 --> 00:57:53

to

00:57:54 --> 00:57:56

work particularly on the Masnavi. The Masnavi of

00:57:56 --> 00:57:58

Rumi is part of the Persian world that

00:57:58 --> 00:58:01

everybody knows, and they both work together through

00:58:01 --> 00:58:01

the Masnavi.

00:58:03 --> 00:58:05

Another contact is an interesting person.

00:58:06 --> 00:58:07

It's not clear if they met in person,

00:58:07 --> 00:58:09

but there's some kind of they're in the

00:58:09 --> 00:58:11

same circle. Althija Faizi,

00:58:12 --> 00:58:14

who is interesting as quite a westernized,

00:58:14 --> 00:58:15

but still Muslim

00:58:16 --> 00:58:18

lady, who is the first Muslim woman to

00:58:18 --> 00:58:21

have studied at the University of Cambridge.

00:58:22 --> 00:58:23

These connections are

00:58:24 --> 00:58:26

still present. She was in

00:58:26 --> 00:58:29

communication with Shibley Noamani, who is a well

00:58:29 --> 00:58:30

known polyglot

00:58:31 --> 00:58:31

and

00:58:32 --> 00:58:32

and alim,

00:58:33 --> 00:58:34

author of a number of books, some of

00:58:34 --> 00:58:36

which have gone into

00:58:36 --> 00:58:37

into English.

00:58:39 --> 00:58:41

Should be a mani not so westernized

00:58:42 --> 00:58:44

or familiar with western things. Perhaps he's studied

00:58:44 --> 00:58:46

with traditional scholars and Sufis in

00:58:47 --> 00:58:48

in Mecca and,

00:58:49 --> 00:58:51

and becomes the principle for a while of

00:58:51 --> 00:58:53

the the Dar ul ul Olom in Lucknow,

00:58:54 --> 00:58:56

The Nadwat ul Alama in Lucknow.

00:58:59 --> 00:59:02

He writes a seerah book, which is influential

00:59:02 --> 00:59:02

because

00:59:03 --> 00:59:05

the writing of seerah at this time, like

00:59:05 --> 00:59:06

writing about the Quran,

00:59:07 --> 00:59:10

is against the background of western orientalist

00:59:10 --> 00:59:11

missionary

00:59:12 --> 00:59:15

scientific attacks. So the style of sira that's

00:59:15 --> 00:59:18

developing in India at the time and finds

00:59:18 --> 00:59:20

its way into Dari Bedi's own writing

00:59:20 --> 00:59:23

is an attempt to explain to Muslims,

00:59:24 --> 00:59:26

the perfection of the holy prophet, not in

00:59:26 --> 00:59:29

traditional pietistic, eulogistic terms, but explaining

00:59:29 --> 00:59:30

morally,

00:59:30 --> 00:59:31

metaphysically, historically,

00:59:32 --> 00:59:33

the excellence

00:59:33 --> 00:59:36

of the chosen one, alayhis salat Rasalam.

00:59:38 --> 00:59:42

Daria Bedi actually attacks Shibley quite violently in

00:59:42 --> 00:59:43

some Urdu articles,

00:59:43 --> 00:59:46

and Shibley no mani responds very kind of

00:59:46 --> 00:59:46

gently

00:59:47 --> 00:59:48

and even gives him a job, sort of

00:59:48 --> 00:59:50

writing a few articles in his in his

00:59:50 --> 00:59:53

journal. So this principle of idfa b'latiye

00:59:54 --> 00:59:56

ahsindor, anic instruction of

00:59:57 --> 00:59:57

push back

00:59:58 --> 01:00:00

against an offense with something more beautiful.

01:00:02 --> 01:00:03

And this mujerdala

01:00:03 --> 01:00:04

bildatihiyasan,

01:00:05 --> 01:00:06

discussing with others

01:00:07 --> 01:00:09

in the most excellent way. This is the

01:00:09 --> 01:00:12

Quranic instruction on how you deal with people

01:00:12 --> 01:00:14

who are in a state of falsehood was

01:00:14 --> 01:00:16

still understood by the olema in India at

01:00:16 --> 01:00:17

that time.

01:00:19 --> 01:00:20

So

01:00:20 --> 01:00:21

because they are,

01:00:22 --> 01:00:25

he he can't really make headway, he can't

01:00:25 --> 01:00:28

get an emotional reaction from them that is

01:00:28 --> 01:00:30

equivalent to his own emotional turmoil.

01:00:30 --> 01:00:32

He starts to calm down, sees the quality

01:00:32 --> 01:00:34

of these people, and they say, look at

01:00:34 --> 01:00:36

what is of universal interest in Rumi. Look

01:00:36 --> 01:00:38

at the life of the holy prophet. Look

01:00:38 --> 01:00:39

at the Quran.

01:00:39 --> 01:00:40

You can at least improve

01:00:41 --> 01:00:43

your Arabic through studying the Quran.

01:00:44 --> 01:00:46

But then also, he's continuing his study of

01:00:47 --> 01:00:48

Western philosophy.

01:00:49 --> 01:00:52

And he realises that there are dimensions in

01:00:52 --> 01:00:55

western philosophy that are respectful

01:00:56 --> 01:00:59

of forms of religious belief. And his trajectory

01:00:59 --> 01:01:01

here is a very, kind of, curious, perhaps

01:01:01 --> 01:01:03

surprising one, at least to a lot of

01:01:03 --> 01:01:06

modern Muslims. His interest in Schopenhauer. We think

01:01:06 --> 01:01:08

of I think no interest in religion at

01:01:08 --> 01:01:09

all,

01:01:09 --> 01:01:11

the predecessor of Nietzsche.

01:01:12 --> 01:01:13

But Schopenhauer

01:01:13 --> 01:01:16

is respectful to Indian religion and Buddhism in

01:01:16 --> 01:01:17

particular.

01:01:18 --> 01:01:19

Theria Bedi thinks,

01:01:19 --> 01:01:21

why should he be interested in

01:01:22 --> 01:01:24

Buddhism? So he starts to study Buddhism and

01:01:24 --> 01:01:24

recognizes

01:01:25 --> 01:01:28

that Buddhism is not just idolatrous fairy tales,

01:01:28 --> 01:01:28

but is

01:01:29 --> 01:01:30

an integral

01:01:30 --> 01:01:31

spiritual

01:01:32 --> 01:01:32

principle.

01:01:34 --> 01:01:36

You also read some Hindu thinkers.

01:01:37 --> 01:01:38

So he's prompted

01:01:38 --> 01:01:40

to do this not by his Hindu friends,

01:01:40 --> 01:01:42

but by these German philosophers who are interested

01:01:42 --> 01:01:44

in Indian religion.

01:01:44 --> 01:01:46

He reads Sri Aurobindo.

01:01:47 --> 01:01:50

And then he reads the Gita, the Bhagavad

01:01:50 --> 01:01:51

Gita, the great

01:01:52 --> 01:01:54

Hindu spiritual classic.

01:01:54 --> 01:01:56

He reads it in

01:01:57 --> 01:01:57

English.

01:01:58 --> 01:02:01

He's in contact with Gandhi, who he really

01:02:01 --> 01:02:01

respects.

01:02:02 --> 01:02:04

And of course, since independence is the big

01:02:04 --> 01:02:06

issue for everybody in India at the time,

01:02:06 --> 01:02:08

the fact that Gandhi is also an active

01:02:08 --> 01:02:11

practitioner of a religion and not some kind

01:02:11 --> 01:02:12

of science worshiping

01:02:14 --> 01:02:14

atheist

01:02:15 --> 01:02:16

has an impact. They they don't actually meet

01:02:16 --> 01:02:18

until much later,

01:02:18 --> 01:02:20

in the 19 twenties. They meet at, actually,

01:02:20 --> 01:02:22

the Ors of Khwaja

01:02:22 --> 01:02:24

Mohanad Din Trishti in Ajmer,

01:02:25 --> 01:02:26

where they finally meet.

01:02:28 --> 01:02:30

But he's starting to realize that even these

01:02:30 --> 01:02:32

philosophers in the west are interested

01:02:33 --> 01:02:34

in

01:02:35 --> 01:02:37

spiritual ideas and in Indian so he's moving

01:02:37 --> 01:02:39

now towards the study of

01:02:39 --> 01:02:41

the Hindu tradition and Buddhism,

01:02:42 --> 01:02:43

and particularly

01:02:43 --> 01:02:46

those who are kind of on the

01:02:47 --> 01:02:50

interface. And this is a time when since

01:02:50 --> 01:02:51

the time of somebody called Ram Mohan

01:02:52 --> 01:02:52

Roy,

01:02:53 --> 01:02:55

there has been an interest in Hindu figures

01:02:55 --> 01:02:58

in seeing how Hindu religion can be articulated

01:02:58 --> 01:03:00

in terms intelligible to the West.

01:03:01 --> 01:03:03

And just as Goethe falls in love with

01:03:03 --> 01:03:05

Saadi and Hafiz and becomes a kind of

01:03:05 --> 01:03:07

Muslim, So also there are Europeans who are

01:03:07 --> 01:03:09

really interested in the Hindu tradition.

01:03:11 --> 01:03:12

And the theosophists,

01:03:12 --> 01:03:14

this might seem very improbable.

01:03:15 --> 01:03:16

The Theosophical

01:03:16 --> 01:03:17

Society,

01:03:18 --> 01:03:20

Annie Besant, Madame Blavatsky,

01:03:21 --> 01:03:23

produce people like Bhavan Das,

01:03:24 --> 01:03:25

who he meets and finds to be a

01:03:25 --> 01:03:27

very holy person.

01:03:27 --> 01:03:30

So he's amazed by the presence of this

01:03:30 --> 01:03:32

religious charisma in this Hindu figure.

01:03:36 --> 01:03:38

And Levascara is in 18/95,

01:03:39 --> 01:03:41

so she's already gone. And then there's the

01:03:41 --> 01:03:42

famous split

01:03:42 --> 01:03:43

in

01:03:43 --> 01:03:44

the Theosophical movement.

01:03:46 --> 01:03:48

And there's the Adyar faction which is still

01:03:48 --> 01:03:49

there in India.

01:03:51 --> 01:03:53

And then the European

01:03:53 --> 01:03:54

theosophists

01:03:55 --> 01:03:57

formed their own kind of Europeanized

01:03:57 --> 01:03:59

version of some sort of

01:04:00 --> 01:04:01

perennial wisdom with

01:04:02 --> 01:04:05

Vedic bits in it. And Rudolf Steiner, with

01:04:05 --> 01:04:06

his

01:04:06 --> 01:04:07

anthroposophy

01:04:07 --> 01:04:09

comes out of that about the time of

01:04:09 --> 01:04:11

the 1st World War. And of course,

01:04:12 --> 01:04:14

the Steiner Schools are around the world now.

01:04:14 --> 01:04:16

A lot of Muslims like to send their

01:04:16 --> 01:04:18

kids to the Steiner School.

01:04:19 --> 01:04:21

So, Theosophy as such is is profoundly

01:04:21 --> 01:04:25

problematic and not regarded as particularly serious by

01:04:25 --> 01:04:26

most

01:04:26 --> 01:04:28

Brahmanical Hindus. But it's a kind of place

01:04:28 --> 01:04:30

where you can see

01:04:31 --> 01:04:31

Westerners

01:04:31 --> 01:04:33

interested in Eastern wisdom

01:04:34 --> 01:04:37

and a sort of syncretism and cross fertilization

01:04:37 --> 01:04:38

taking place.

01:04:39 --> 01:04:40

So this

01:04:40 --> 01:04:41

breaks Derrybelli's

01:04:42 --> 01:04:44

conviction that it's black and

01:04:44 --> 01:04:46

white, east and west, completely opposed to each

01:04:46 --> 01:04:48

other. There can't be a conversation. There can't

01:04:48 --> 01:04:49

be an overlap

01:04:50 --> 01:04:50

zone.

01:04:51 --> 01:04:51

So

01:04:53 --> 01:04:53

rather curious

01:04:54 --> 01:04:55

circumstance,

01:04:57 --> 01:04:58

this

01:04:58 --> 01:04:58

reignites

01:04:59 --> 01:05:02

his interest in Sufism and the Persian classic,

01:05:02 --> 01:05:03

which as I said, are kind of really

01:05:03 --> 01:05:06

beloved to the Hindu elite at the time.

01:05:06 --> 01:05:09

Rumi's Mastervi, he never stops reading. He's really

01:05:09 --> 01:05:10

interested in,

01:05:12 --> 01:05:13

Sirhindi's Maktobat,

01:05:15 --> 01:05:17

which are one of the great Nakshbandi achievements

01:05:17 --> 01:05:18

of

01:05:18 --> 01:05:19

early Mughal

01:05:20 --> 01:05:20

India.

01:05:21 --> 01:05:22

And then one of the key moments,

01:05:23 --> 01:05:24

again curiously,

01:05:24 --> 01:05:26

and of course we're dealing when you deal

01:05:26 --> 01:05:28

with faith, which is a gift anyway, you're

01:05:28 --> 01:05:31

dealing with obscure tides in the heart. It's

01:05:31 --> 01:05:33

like falling in love. Who knows really what's

01:05:33 --> 01:05:34

going on?

01:05:34 --> 01:05:36

Why people believe? Why they're inclined to certain

01:05:37 --> 01:05:39

it's very hard for us to see at

01:05:39 --> 01:05:40

this distance exactly what's

01:05:41 --> 01:05:43

what's going on in his spiritual

01:05:43 --> 01:05:44

return.

01:05:44 --> 01:05:47

But it seems that reading English translations of

01:05:47 --> 01:05:49

the Quran does it for him.

01:05:51 --> 01:05:53

Well, the Quran is an Arabic text, and

01:05:53 --> 01:05:56

the translations are not really translations. They're just

01:05:56 --> 01:05:57

kind of

01:05:57 --> 01:05:58

paraphrases

01:05:58 --> 01:06:00

in another very different language.

01:06:01 --> 01:06:02

But he looks at certain,

01:06:03 --> 01:06:04

at that time, pretty early

01:06:05 --> 01:06:07

English translations of the Quran.

01:06:07 --> 01:06:09

And somehow, he seems to see the book

01:06:09 --> 01:06:11

in a different linguistic world. Seeing it in

01:06:11 --> 01:06:13

the vocabulary of English

01:06:13 --> 01:06:16

indicates that there are ways of inhabiting

01:06:16 --> 01:06:19

the English linguistic space that are also

01:06:19 --> 01:06:20

Islamic.

01:06:20 --> 01:06:23

And it may well be, oddly, that it

01:06:23 --> 01:06:25

is these early English translations of the Quran

01:06:26 --> 01:06:29

that make him respect Islam again and see

01:06:29 --> 01:06:29

it

01:06:30 --> 01:06:30

in

01:06:31 --> 01:06:34

a different light. So slowly, thanks to the

01:06:34 --> 01:06:37

patience and the compassion of his scholarly friends,

01:06:37 --> 01:06:39

and because of the power of Allah's book,

01:06:39 --> 01:06:41

even in English garb,

01:06:42 --> 01:06:43

and because of the

01:06:44 --> 01:06:45

his sort of journey.

01:06:46 --> 01:06:48

He's sort of personally interested in the Hindu

01:06:48 --> 01:06:49

thing,

01:06:49 --> 01:06:52

but he's impressed by these people,

01:06:52 --> 01:06:54

and sees that the west doesn't have a

01:06:54 --> 01:06:56

monopoly on truth and westerners are interested in

01:06:56 --> 01:06:57

spiritual things.

01:06:58 --> 01:07:01

That one day in the house of this

01:07:01 --> 01:07:02

Urdu poet, Akbar Allahabadi,

01:07:05 --> 01:07:06

he

01:07:06 --> 01:07:08

takes his shahada again, and this is how

01:07:08 --> 01:07:11

he describes it later. One day when I

01:07:11 --> 01:07:12

had taken my shahada again and was a

01:07:12 --> 01:07:14

guest of Akbar Allahabadhi,

01:07:15 --> 01:07:17

I joined him for the first time in

01:07:17 --> 01:07:18

Zuhr prayer.

01:07:19 --> 01:07:21

He became happy, prayed to Allah for me

01:07:21 --> 01:07:23

and told me that my late father would

01:07:23 --> 01:07:25

be rejoiced by the angels

01:07:25 --> 01:07:26

with the news of my prayer.

01:07:28 --> 01:07:29

By 1918,

01:07:30 --> 01:07:31

back in Islam,

01:07:31 --> 01:07:33

and lives really the remainder of his life

01:07:33 --> 01:07:34

as a great Mujahid,

01:07:34 --> 01:07:36

a great struggler for the truth of Islam

01:07:36 --> 01:07:37

with his pen.

01:07:39 --> 01:07:40

So,

01:07:41 --> 01:07:43

this is the great drama, the kind of

01:07:43 --> 01:07:45

Ghazalian crisis and repentance of his life. And

01:07:45 --> 01:07:47

it's it's complex, the way in which he

01:07:47 --> 01:07:49

found his way back. But it's important to

01:07:49 --> 01:07:50

study this because

01:07:50 --> 01:07:53

how do we replicate this for confused young

01:07:53 --> 01:07:56

Muslims at Bristol University? How can we help

01:07:56 --> 01:07:57

them back? And how can we actually

01:07:58 --> 01:08:00

make their experience of the darkness

01:08:00 --> 01:08:03

something that helps them to appreciate the light

01:08:03 --> 01:08:04

a bit more, so they become reinforced

01:08:05 --> 01:08:07

by their journey when they found the light

01:08:07 --> 01:08:09

at the end of the tunnel. We need

01:08:09 --> 01:08:09

to study

01:08:10 --> 01:08:13

things like this rather than shy away from

01:08:13 --> 01:08:15

them. It may well be that the experience

01:08:15 --> 01:08:18

of the catastrophe of the First World War

01:08:18 --> 01:08:21

and the disillusionment that many were feeling with

01:08:21 --> 01:08:23

the triumphant march of Western civilization,

01:08:26 --> 01:08:28

also had an impact on him. But in

01:08:28 --> 01:08:29

any case,

01:08:30 --> 01:08:31

he becomes

01:08:32 --> 01:08:33

stronger than ever

01:08:34 --> 01:08:34

and becomes,

01:08:35 --> 01:08:38

particularly a devotee of the Quran. He has

01:08:38 --> 01:08:40

a spiritual teacher at this time and even

01:08:40 --> 01:08:42

though there's this ecstatic thing around,

01:08:43 --> 01:08:45

he, chooses to make beya,

01:08:47 --> 01:08:49

to Molana Ashraf Ali Tanvi,

01:08:50 --> 01:08:53

who we encountered in previous lectures.

01:08:54 --> 01:08:58

Who is this, Darul Orlom Daoban

01:08:58 --> 01:09:00

supremo, who he'd once despised

01:09:01 --> 01:09:02

not really

01:09:02 --> 01:09:05

being sufficiently anti British and being very conservative

01:09:05 --> 01:09:07

and narrow and just stuck in traditional

01:09:07 --> 01:09:10

texts. But then somebody gives him his speeches

01:09:10 --> 01:09:12

and his chhupas and that changes his mind.

01:09:12 --> 01:09:13

The guy is really

01:09:14 --> 01:09:14

brilliant.

01:09:15 --> 01:09:16

The lucidity of it

01:09:17 --> 01:09:17

appeals

01:09:18 --> 01:09:20

to him. So he takes his Bea from

01:09:20 --> 01:09:23

him. This is in the Trishti Sabari line.

01:09:23 --> 01:09:25

Also interestingly he takes the Bea later on

01:09:25 --> 01:09:28

it seems with Mawlana Hossein Ahmad Madani, who

01:09:28 --> 01:09:31

we had our paradigms lecture about earlier. So

01:09:32 --> 01:09:34

certainly in middle age,

01:09:34 --> 01:09:36

Tanafi becomes the great,

01:09:37 --> 01:09:39

influence upon him.

01:09:40 --> 01:09:42

And Taanavi, also a great lover of the

01:09:42 --> 01:09:44

Quran, and has this kind of tafsir work,

01:09:44 --> 01:09:46

Bayan al Quran,

01:09:47 --> 01:09:49

which becomes a kind of important foundation

01:09:49 --> 01:09:51

for Daria Bade's own tafsirs.

01:09:54 --> 01:09:56

And in his book, Tarbiyat al Solok, advocates

01:09:57 --> 01:09:59

certainly Sufism as the basis of what you

01:09:59 --> 01:10:01

might call religious Islam,

01:10:03 --> 01:10:04

as very sober,

01:10:05 --> 01:10:06

disciplined.

01:10:07 --> 01:10:09

And the discipline

01:10:09 --> 01:10:10

particularly of this tariqa,

01:10:12 --> 01:10:13

is a support

01:10:13 --> 01:10:16

for, many of the scholars of this age,

01:10:16 --> 01:10:17

where they absolutely

01:10:18 --> 01:10:18

meticulously

01:10:19 --> 01:10:21

map out every hour of the day.

01:10:23 --> 01:10:24

And

01:10:25 --> 01:10:26

when he

01:10:26 --> 01:10:27

kind of semi retires

01:10:29 --> 01:10:32

and devotes himself just to reading and writing,

01:10:32 --> 01:10:33

goes back to Dariabad.

01:10:36 --> 01:10:39

The account of how he ran his household,

01:10:39 --> 01:10:41

even though it was extremely loving and prayerful

01:10:41 --> 01:10:44

and hospitable, and guests and cousins and so

01:10:44 --> 01:10:44

forth.

01:10:45 --> 01:10:46

It's like a tariqa,

01:10:47 --> 01:10:50

because he wanted every member of his household,

01:10:50 --> 01:10:51

daughter, cousin, whoever,

01:10:52 --> 01:10:53

to write a report

01:10:53 --> 01:10:54

every day

01:10:55 --> 01:10:57

on what that person had done during the

01:10:57 --> 01:10:59

day. So every daughter had to write 'daddy

01:10:59 --> 01:11:01

today I did this and I read that

01:11:01 --> 01:11:04

and I learned this and can you '

01:11:04 --> 01:11:04

Every day.

01:11:05 --> 01:11:07

So this is a kind of Sufi principle

01:11:07 --> 01:11:07

of Muhasaba,

01:11:08 --> 01:11:10

calling oneself to account reckoning,

01:11:10 --> 01:11:12

but in family life.

01:11:12 --> 01:11:14

And he imposed it upon himself, and he

01:11:14 --> 01:11:16

was amazingly prolific in terms of the number

01:11:16 --> 01:11:18

of things that he

01:11:18 --> 01:11:20

could achieve. And

01:11:21 --> 01:11:21

his letters,

01:11:22 --> 01:11:23

people would write to him. He would always

01:11:23 --> 01:11:27

write back whatever the question might be. So

01:11:27 --> 01:11:28

after he died, they collected his letters and

01:11:28 --> 01:11:31

published them in 7 volumes of letters.

01:11:31 --> 01:11:34

And he achieved this simply through real discipline

01:11:34 --> 01:11:36

and time management, which is one of the

01:11:36 --> 01:11:37

gifts of tariqa.

01:11:38 --> 01:11:40

Every moment, every nafas is a breath,

01:11:41 --> 01:11:42

a secret of God.

01:11:43 --> 01:11:45

Seize it, don't throw it away, make use

01:11:45 --> 01:11:47

of it, because it won't come back.

01:11:48 --> 01:11:51

So the Sufi time management thing helps productivity

01:11:51 --> 01:11:52

and helps with his

01:11:53 --> 01:11:54

family life. So

01:11:55 --> 01:11:57

Tanavi is his inspiration. He goes back to

01:11:57 --> 01:12:00

Dariabad. At the time it's a small town,

01:12:00 --> 01:12:00

no electricity.

01:12:01 --> 01:12:02

It's really quite basic.

01:12:03 --> 01:12:05

And he lives with his books and his

01:12:05 --> 01:12:05

family.

01:12:06 --> 01:12:08

How does he support himself? Well, the Nizam

01:12:08 --> 01:12:11

of Hyderabad is giving him a small

01:12:11 --> 01:12:13

amount of money on condition that he publishes

01:12:13 --> 01:12:13

a book

01:12:14 --> 01:12:15

every year.

01:12:15 --> 01:12:17

He gets a little bit of income from

01:12:17 --> 01:12:19

writing in Urdu journals

01:12:20 --> 01:12:21

and, from

01:12:21 --> 01:12:22

his

01:12:23 --> 01:12:25

royalties on his books, which is not very

01:12:25 --> 01:12:27

much. But one of the things about him

01:12:27 --> 01:12:28

that is interesting

01:12:29 --> 01:12:29

is that

01:12:30 --> 01:12:32

he doesn't belong to any organisation

01:12:33 --> 01:12:35

or any tendency, really. Even though he has

01:12:35 --> 01:12:37

this particular connection with

01:12:37 --> 01:12:38

with

01:12:38 --> 01:12:41

Aligarh and then particularly with with Nadwa.

01:12:43 --> 01:12:45

He's not a Deobandi. He's not a Brailvi.

01:12:45 --> 01:12:49

He's not explicit about his tariqa affiliation, he's

01:12:49 --> 01:12:50

not Ahl al Hadith.

01:12:50 --> 01:12:52

A lot of his friends are Shia.

01:12:54 --> 01:12:56

He doesn't because he doesn't belong to any

01:12:56 --> 01:12:58

of the factions of Indian Islam as they're

01:12:58 --> 01:12:59

already forming,

01:12:59 --> 01:13:01

he doesn't really have a big national infrastructure

01:13:02 --> 01:13:04

that can support his publications.

01:13:05 --> 01:13:07

They can immediately say, there's your tafsir, we'll

01:13:07 --> 01:13:09

publish it. Here is your new collection of

01:13:09 --> 01:13:12

poems, we'll publish that. And he always struggled

01:13:12 --> 01:13:14

to get his works out even though he

01:13:14 --> 01:13:15

was so

01:13:16 --> 01:13:16

respected.

01:13:17 --> 01:13:20

So his Urdu tafsir, which is a major

01:13:20 --> 01:13:20

tafsir,

01:13:21 --> 01:13:23

he could only publish at first by serialising

01:13:23 --> 01:13:26

it in little bits in his journal.

01:13:26 --> 01:13:28

He published a weekly journal,

01:13:29 --> 01:13:30

Cedric, which is one of the big Urdu

01:13:30 --> 01:13:31

literary

01:13:31 --> 01:13:35

journals, which continued really throughout his life, and

01:13:35 --> 01:13:36

that was one of his major,

01:13:37 --> 01:13:38

major calls on his time.

01:13:40 --> 01:13:42

One of the things about his journal is

01:13:42 --> 01:13:44

that it doesn't talk too much about

01:13:44 --> 01:13:45

political infighting,

01:13:47 --> 01:13:49

and is not really polemical.

01:13:49 --> 01:13:51

It's literally, it tries to include everybody. It's

01:13:51 --> 01:13:54

a platform for everybody in the North Indian

01:13:54 --> 01:13:55

culture

01:13:55 --> 01:13:57

of the day. It's consistently hostile to western

01:13:57 --> 01:14:00

policies in the Muslim world, but the focus

01:14:00 --> 01:14:03

is more Quranic and poetry rather than

01:14:04 --> 01:14:05

political polemic.

01:14:08 --> 01:14:10

Now, but his great work and that which

01:14:10 --> 01:14:11

he really dedicated

01:14:12 --> 01:14:14

the golden years of his life to was

01:14:14 --> 01:14:16

the service of the Quran,

01:14:18 --> 01:14:19

which can be seen in a sense I

01:14:19 --> 01:14:20

mean, partly

01:14:20 --> 01:14:22

because he was a lover of the Quran

01:14:22 --> 01:14:23

and,

01:14:24 --> 01:14:26

had been brought back to Islam

01:14:27 --> 01:14:29

in a strange way by English translations of

01:14:29 --> 01:14:29

the Quran,

01:14:31 --> 01:14:32

seems to have been

01:14:33 --> 01:14:36

precipitated by suggestion by Mawlana and Husayn Ahmed

01:14:36 --> 01:14:38

Madani, although there are other explanations as well.

01:14:39 --> 01:14:41

But he has 2 major tafsirs, one of

01:14:41 --> 01:14:42

which is in Urdu,

01:14:42 --> 01:14:44

and the other is in

01:14:45 --> 01:14:45

English.

01:14:47 --> 01:14:48

Now what can we say about

01:14:51 --> 01:14:53

this tafsir? We have it in the CMC

01:14:53 --> 01:14:55

library, and here it is. Two

01:14:57 --> 01:14:59

significant volumes. This is the edition from Darul

01:14:59 --> 01:14:59

Ishat,

01:15:00 --> 01:15:02

Karachi in Pakistan. And actually publishing that has

01:15:02 --> 01:15:04

improved. It's a perfectly nice

01:15:05 --> 01:15:06

piece of work.

01:15:06 --> 01:15:08

You can see why it was a bit

01:15:08 --> 01:15:10

of a job for publishers because you have

01:15:10 --> 01:15:12

to get the Arabic text. Absolutely right. If

01:15:12 --> 01:15:14

there's one mistake in it, you have to

01:15:14 --> 01:15:16

pop the whole edition.

01:15:18 --> 01:15:19

And so it's

01:15:19 --> 01:15:22

it's quite a brave thing for publishers to

01:15:22 --> 01:15:23

take on, but

01:15:23 --> 01:15:25

it is now finally available. And there's a

01:15:25 --> 01:15:27

version that you can get through the Islamic

01:15:27 --> 01:15:27

foundation

01:15:28 --> 01:15:30

in Leicester, who've done a lot actually to

01:15:30 --> 01:15:31

promote

01:15:31 --> 01:15:33

his legacy and this this tradition.

01:15:36 --> 01:15:38

You could say, looking at it,

01:15:41 --> 01:15:43

that well, it is a tafsir, because

01:15:43 --> 01:15:45

it's not a criterion

01:15:45 --> 01:15:46

of tafsir

01:15:47 --> 01:15:49

that it should be in Arabic.

01:15:50 --> 01:15:51

So Maybod

01:15:51 --> 01:15:52

is Persian

01:15:53 --> 01:15:54

commentary on the Quran,

01:15:55 --> 01:15:57

which is the first one of the first

01:15:57 --> 01:15:57

Persian

01:15:58 --> 01:16:00

Islamic texts really, which is in 10 volumes,

01:16:02 --> 01:16:02

which is a Hanbali

01:16:03 --> 01:16:03

Sufi

01:16:04 --> 01:16:06

tafsir, is a tafsir even though it's in

01:16:06 --> 01:16:08

Persian. So it's perfectly legitimate to write a

01:16:08 --> 01:16:10

tafsir in the English language.

01:16:11 --> 01:16:14

And this is what he gives us

01:16:15 --> 01:16:17

in this tafsir of Quran translation and commentary

01:16:17 --> 01:16:19

of the holy Quran. He doesn't really give

01:16:19 --> 01:16:21

it more of a name than that. Sometimes

01:16:21 --> 01:16:23

it's called tafsir and majidi,

01:16:25 --> 01:16:25

after his

01:16:26 --> 01:16:26

name.

01:16:29 --> 01:16:29

He

01:16:29 --> 01:16:32

is in a sense, just as Imam al

01:16:32 --> 01:16:32

Ghazali

01:16:33 --> 01:16:36

is in his later life arguing with the

01:16:36 --> 01:16:39

things that had caused him doubts in his

01:16:39 --> 01:16:40

earlier life.

01:16:41 --> 01:16:44

He is also dealing implicitly, though not polemically,

01:16:45 --> 01:16:48

with certain of the carpings and the polemics

01:16:48 --> 01:16:51

that have been directed against the Quran by

01:16:51 --> 01:16:52

European orientalist missionaries,

01:16:53 --> 01:16:56

and ill wishes of various

01:16:56 --> 01:16:57

kinds.

01:16:58 --> 01:16:59

So you could say it has an apologetic

01:16:59 --> 01:17:00

dimension.

01:17:01 --> 01:17:02

But that actually makes it really useful because

01:17:02 --> 01:17:04

a lot of people nowadays look at things

01:17:04 --> 01:17:06

in the Quran to say, well what really

01:17:06 --> 01:17:07

does that verse mean?

01:17:08 --> 01:17:10

Is that translation really correct? I saw this

01:17:10 --> 01:17:12

YouTube clip that said that this was from

01:17:12 --> 01:17:15

some syriacs or what what so it is

01:17:15 --> 01:17:16

useful to have that

01:17:17 --> 01:17:20

contemporary dimension. And of course as somebody who's

01:17:20 --> 01:17:21

not just Hafiz,

01:17:22 --> 01:17:25

but read the whole encyclopedia Britannica,

01:17:26 --> 01:17:26

he does

01:17:27 --> 01:17:29

have a breadth of knowledge.

01:17:30 --> 01:17:30

So

01:17:31 --> 01:17:33

he's good at accessing biblical scholarship.

01:17:34 --> 01:17:36

He's good at dealing with the Arabic

01:17:38 --> 01:17:39

difficulties

01:17:39 --> 01:17:42

of the text. He understands it really well.

01:17:42 --> 01:17:44

He knows that you have to understand contemporary

01:17:44 --> 01:17:44

archaeology.

01:17:47 --> 01:17:48

So it is

01:17:48 --> 01:17:49

a good deal,

01:17:50 --> 01:17:52

in fact, infinitely better

01:17:52 --> 01:17:54

than the sort of tafsir, which a lot

01:17:54 --> 01:17:57

of English speaking Muslims are more familiar with,

01:17:57 --> 01:17:58

which is Abdallah Yusuf Ali's

01:17:59 --> 01:17:59

Quran,

01:18:00 --> 01:18:03

which may well be the most frequently printed

01:18:03 --> 01:18:05

translation of the Quran

01:18:05 --> 01:18:06

into English,

01:18:06 --> 01:18:08

maybe into any Western language.

01:18:09 --> 01:18:11

And which even though it's kind of flowery

01:18:12 --> 01:18:13

and inoffensive

01:18:13 --> 01:18:16

is really quite a problematic text.

01:18:17 --> 01:18:19

Because he is very much

01:18:20 --> 01:18:22

in the, say, Ahmed Khan apologetic

01:18:22 --> 01:18:24

mode. He doesn't really

01:18:24 --> 01:18:27

but even jinn, he's not really sure about

01:18:27 --> 01:18:27

angels.

01:18:28 --> 01:18:30

Anything that looks supernatural

01:18:30 --> 01:18:31

is rationalistically

01:18:32 --> 01:18:33

explained away.

01:18:33 --> 01:18:35

Heaven and * are not really about reward

01:18:35 --> 01:18:38

and punishment, but are some kind of intellectual.

01:18:38 --> 01:18:39

It's,

01:18:40 --> 01:18:42

quite alarming really, even though in the seventies

01:18:42 --> 01:18:43

eighties,

01:18:43 --> 01:18:45

various Muslims tried to

01:18:46 --> 01:18:47

smooth over

01:18:47 --> 01:18:48

these

01:18:48 --> 01:18:49

irregularities.

01:18:50 --> 01:18:50

But,

01:18:52 --> 01:18:54

it's now falling out of favor, I think.

01:18:54 --> 01:18:55

So,

01:18:56 --> 01:18:58

that came out whenever it was 1935.

01:18:59 --> 01:19:01

This is about 10 years later.

01:19:01 --> 01:19:02

But it's a real tafsir,

01:19:04 --> 01:19:05

based on real knowledge

01:19:06 --> 01:19:08

and a determination to be authentic in the

01:19:08 --> 01:19:11

sort of traditional Islam sense, but not a

01:19:11 --> 01:19:12

sectarian sense.

01:19:17 --> 01:19:17

Now

01:19:18 --> 01:19:19

there's so much that's sort

01:19:21 --> 01:19:23

of a bit puzzling about it. I'm certainly

01:19:23 --> 01:19:26

not saying that it's perfect and there's misprints,

01:19:26 --> 01:19:26

and

01:19:27 --> 01:19:30

it's written for early 20th century Indians.

01:19:30 --> 01:19:31

So,

01:19:32 --> 01:19:34

specifically for their work. But,

01:19:35 --> 01:19:37

the it's interesting. Even though he spent 7

01:19:37 --> 01:19:39

years or so working on this and actually

01:19:39 --> 01:19:42

suspended publication of his weekly journal,

01:19:42 --> 01:19:44

Sintra, for 2 years just so that he

01:19:44 --> 01:19:46

could get down to this.

01:19:47 --> 01:19:50

The introduction is less than 4 pages, and

01:19:50 --> 01:19:51

he even calls it just a preface.

01:19:55 --> 01:19:58

Why is that? But actually, if you look

01:19:58 --> 01:20:00

at it, it really does

01:20:02 --> 01:20:03

talk about,

01:20:03 --> 01:20:04

you know, the

01:20:05 --> 01:20:06

problems of translation.

01:20:06 --> 01:20:08

It's not an introduction to the Quran. It's

01:20:08 --> 01:20:10

a problem it's an introduction to the problems

01:20:10 --> 01:20:10

of translation.

01:20:11 --> 01:20:12

In really nice English,

01:20:13 --> 01:20:15

Of all great works, this is how he

01:20:15 --> 01:20:17

starts, the holy Quran is perhaps the least

01:20:17 --> 01:20:17

translatable.

01:20:19 --> 01:20:21

Arabic is not at all easy to translate

01:20:21 --> 01:20:23

into a language so widely and radically differing

01:20:23 --> 01:20:26

from it in structure and genius as English,

01:20:26 --> 01:20:28

unless it be with the aid of loose

01:20:28 --> 01:20:29

periphrasis

01:20:29 --> 01:20:30

and lax paraphrase.

01:20:31 --> 01:20:33

Even so the fire of the original is

01:20:33 --> 01:20:35

quenched. Its vivacious perspicuity

01:20:35 --> 01:20:36

is lost.

01:20:36 --> 01:20:39

The so called literal translation looks rugged and

01:20:39 --> 01:20:39

dreary.

01:20:41 --> 01:20:43

That the language of the Arabs abounds in

01:20:43 --> 01:20:44

nuances and both the noun and the verb

01:20:44 --> 01:20:45

are extremely flexible

01:20:46 --> 01:20:48

is a fact well known to every student

01:20:48 --> 01:20:49

of that tongue.

01:20:50 --> 01:20:52

That difficulty is increased a hundredfold,

01:20:53 --> 01:20:55

when one has to render into English with

01:20:55 --> 01:20:57

any degree of accuracy and precision, a work

01:20:57 --> 01:20:59

so rich in meaning, so pithy in expression,

01:21:00 --> 01:21:02

so vigorous in style and so subtle in

01:21:02 --> 01:21:02

implications

01:21:02 --> 01:21:04

as the holy Quran.

01:21:08 --> 01:21:11

Now, so it's it's short, but the way

01:21:11 --> 01:21:14

he expresses it is really spot on and

01:21:14 --> 01:21:15

expressed with

01:21:15 --> 01:21:17

with real concision. So

01:21:19 --> 01:21:21

he describes the Quran as a work so

01:21:21 --> 01:21:22

rich in meaning,

01:21:22 --> 01:21:23

pithy in expression,

01:21:24 --> 01:21:26

vigorous in style, subtle in implications.

01:21:26 --> 01:21:27

That's a really

01:21:28 --> 01:21:29

brilliant definition of

01:21:30 --> 01:21:32

you know, why we find the Quran is

01:21:32 --> 01:21:35

kind of like the Tardis. There's more inside

01:21:35 --> 01:21:37

than outside, and you read it and it

01:21:37 --> 01:21:37

kind of grows.

01:21:38 --> 01:21:39

Each time you give a hot spot and

01:21:39 --> 01:21:40

you look something up, you find a new

01:21:40 --> 01:21:41

extraordinary

01:21:42 --> 01:21:44

thing. And the delight of Islam really is

01:21:44 --> 01:21:47

that the Quran is this banquet that continues

01:21:48 --> 01:21:49

to feed you. It kind of

01:21:50 --> 01:21:50

it's

01:21:51 --> 01:21:53

the flowers keep keep growing.

01:21:53 --> 01:21:56

And he's really really nailed it here I

01:21:56 --> 01:21:58

would say. But anyway he has 6

01:22:00 --> 01:22:01

impediments.

01:22:02 --> 01:22:04

The impediments confronting an honest translator may be

01:22:04 --> 01:22:07

summed up under 6 main heads and various

01:22:07 --> 01:22:09

subheadings. So I'll do this just briefly.

01:22:10 --> 01:22:12

1. In the first place comes the comparative

01:22:12 --> 01:22:15

poverty of the English language in several respects.

01:22:18 --> 01:22:20

For instance, there's a large number of Arabic

01:22:20 --> 01:22:21

verbs untranslatable

01:22:21 --> 01:22:23

into English as verbs.

01:22:24 --> 01:22:27

Arabic is based on roots that are verbal,

01:22:27 --> 01:22:28

and the nouns flow

01:22:29 --> 01:22:30

from the roots. So it has this kind

01:22:30 --> 01:22:31

of dynamic,

01:22:31 --> 01:22:33

because a verb is something that is about

01:22:34 --> 01:22:35

movement, about action.

01:22:36 --> 01:22:38

A noun is about something that is static.

01:22:38 --> 01:22:40

English uses a lot of

01:22:43 --> 01:22:46

verbs in a kind of auxiliary sense. So

01:22:46 --> 01:22:48

it's Arabic. It's verbs, verbs, verbs. It gives

01:22:48 --> 01:22:51

tremendous energy, and he's he's he's seen this.

01:22:52 --> 01:22:53

One has perforce to render each of these

01:22:53 --> 01:22:55

words not by single word, but by a

01:22:55 --> 01:22:57

combination of words.

01:22:57 --> 01:22:59

So he gives some examples of that.

01:23:02 --> 01:23:05

Next repetition of synonyms. Chiefly for the sake

01:23:05 --> 01:23:08

of emphasis is a frequent incurrence in Arabic.

01:23:09 --> 01:23:11

In the English language, there's no sanction for

01:23:11 --> 01:23:12

it.

01:23:13 --> 01:23:15

Thus, many such expressions as

01:23:22 --> 01:23:26

literally, verily, we we we quicken the dead,

01:23:29 --> 01:23:31

have to remain only partly translated.

01:23:31 --> 01:23:32

So that's the second difficulty.

01:23:33 --> 01:23:35

3, another serious difficulty is caused by the

01:23:35 --> 01:23:37

case in which ellipses occur in the best

01:23:37 --> 01:23:39

and finest Arabic style,

01:23:39 --> 01:23:41

and both words and phrases have to be

01:23:41 --> 01:23:43

supplied by the reader to make the sense

01:23:43 --> 01:23:43

complete.

01:23:46 --> 01:23:46

Yeah.

01:23:47 --> 01:23:50

In other words there's something, there's things that

01:23:50 --> 01:23:52

you understand when you read the Arabic, but

01:23:52 --> 01:23:54

which aren't actually stated.

01:23:55 --> 01:23:57

And the text has such dynamism that actually

01:23:57 --> 01:24:01

the energy of it, the momentum carries you

01:24:01 --> 01:24:04

over those apparent gaps. And it's more energised

01:24:05 --> 01:24:07

and more kind of vertiginous as a result.

01:24:08 --> 01:24:10

But doing that in English is difficult.

01:24:11 --> 01:24:13

The obvious duty of the translator on all

01:24:13 --> 01:24:15

such occasions is to supply the emission.

01:24:16 --> 01:24:18

Although his attempts in many cases must be

01:24:18 --> 01:24:20

hazardous, and he does this as Sayl does

01:24:20 --> 01:24:23

by italicizing the bits that he's had to

01:24:23 --> 01:24:24

to supply.

01:24:25 --> 01:24:28

4, yet another perplexity has caused the translator

01:24:28 --> 01:24:30

by the abrupt grammatical transition

01:24:31 --> 01:24:33

in one of the same sentence frequent in

01:24:33 --> 01:24:33

Arabic

01:24:35 --> 01:24:36

of person as from the first and second

01:24:36 --> 01:24:38

person to the third or vice versa. This

01:24:38 --> 01:24:40

is what they call Iltifaat, which is in

01:24:40 --> 01:24:40

the Fatiha,

01:24:41 --> 01:24:44

which begins with he Allahu Rabbal Alameen and

01:24:44 --> 01:24:46

then switches halfway through to the second person.

01:24:47 --> 01:24:49

That's a strange thing in English. 5. A

01:24:49 --> 01:24:51

further complication is caused by what is known

01:24:51 --> 01:24:52

as intisaritomair.

01:24:54 --> 01:24:57

A personal relative pronoun having different antecedents in

01:24:57 --> 01:24:58

one of the same sentence.

01:24:59 --> 01:25:01

In other words there may be a personal

01:25:01 --> 01:25:02

pronoun

01:25:02 --> 01:25:04

that seems to refer to a number of

01:25:04 --> 01:25:07

things previously and therefore the ambiguity

01:25:08 --> 01:25:09

adds to the richness of the text. But

01:25:09 --> 01:25:10

when you translate it,

01:25:11 --> 01:25:14

you can't maintain that ambiguity, except

01:25:14 --> 01:25:16

a really good translator can sometimes do that.

01:25:17 --> 01:25:19

6th, finally there's no real equivalence in the

01:25:19 --> 01:25:21

import of many of the Arabic and English

01:25:21 --> 01:25:23

words generally held to be synonyms.

01:25:28 --> 01:25:30

Yeah. So how do you translate if the

01:25:30 --> 01:25:31

Arabic doesn't have

01:25:31 --> 01:25:32

a really

01:25:33 --> 01:25:34

exact English equivalent

01:25:34 --> 01:25:35

ever

01:25:35 --> 01:25:36

really.

01:25:37 --> 01:25:39

The Arabic word zena, for instance, there's no

01:25:39 --> 01:25:43

equivalent in English. Both adultery and fornication being

01:25:43 --> 01:25:45

of much narrower import.

01:25:45 --> 01:25:49

Adultery is zina outside marriage. Fornication is zina

01:25:49 --> 01:25:52

before marriage. So how do you translate zina

01:25:54 --> 01:25:56

and so forth. Anyway, and then he goes,

01:25:58 --> 01:26:00

on and then talks about his own,

01:26:02 --> 01:26:03

his meager knowledge of English

01:26:04 --> 01:26:07

and his passing acquaintance with Arabic. Well,

01:26:07 --> 01:26:09

you know, some of the world's great novelists

01:26:09 --> 01:26:12

nowadays come from India. I mentioned Arundhati Roy,

01:26:12 --> 01:26:15

but there's plenty of others. So,

01:26:15 --> 01:26:18

and in many ways, in India, today,

01:26:19 --> 01:26:22

because they retain a kind of traditional Victorian

01:26:22 --> 01:26:22

curriculum,

01:26:23 --> 01:26:24

and little kids

01:26:24 --> 01:26:25

learn a lot of Dickens,

01:26:26 --> 01:26:29

they are better in English despite the accent,

01:26:30 --> 01:26:32

than we are in England now. Because we

01:26:32 --> 01:26:33

don't teach Dickens to

01:26:34 --> 01:26:36

primary school kids any longer. We give them

01:26:38 --> 01:26:40

basic things because there isn't a discipline that

01:26:40 --> 01:26:43

can carry them through Nicholas Nickleby. So

01:26:43 --> 01:26:44

generally

01:26:44 --> 01:26:46

the Indian subcontinental

01:26:46 --> 01:26:46

standard

01:26:47 --> 01:26:49

of English in the better schools is better

01:26:49 --> 01:26:51

than what it is in this country. So

01:26:51 --> 01:26:52

That's why they're producing all of these great

01:26:52 --> 01:26:54

writers. Anyway, so,

01:26:56 --> 01:26:59

I found that really a kind of perfect,

01:26:59 --> 01:27:01

but very brief statement of

01:27:02 --> 01:27:03

he's not saying untranslatable.

01:27:04 --> 01:27:06

Who's translated it? It is a translator. But

01:27:06 --> 01:27:07

he's saying

01:27:08 --> 01:27:09

yes but no. It's a translation, it's not

01:27:09 --> 01:27:11

a translation. Anyway,

01:27:13 --> 01:27:14

but he also uses classical

01:27:15 --> 01:27:17

texts. I mentioned that he uses the Hanavi's,

01:27:18 --> 01:27:19

Bayan al Quran,

01:27:21 --> 01:27:23

but he also uses the classical commentaries quite

01:27:23 --> 01:27:26

extensively. So he uses Baydawi. He uses Razi.

01:27:26 --> 01:27:28

He uses Ibn Kathir. He uses

01:27:29 --> 01:27:30

Ibn Abbas.

01:27:30 --> 01:27:32

So he's really covered them. And also the

01:27:32 --> 01:27:34

Ruach Anani of Alusi,

01:27:35 --> 01:27:38

mid 19th century Iraqi commentator, which could be

01:27:38 --> 01:27:40

seen as kind of the beginning of,

01:27:42 --> 01:27:43

a new school of

01:27:44 --> 01:27:47

commentary. Anyway, so he produces this work

01:27:48 --> 01:27:50

and very complex publication history.

01:27:52 --> 01:27:54

And this is one of the tragedies of

01:27:54 --> 01:27:57

the Ummah. We don't have proper university presses.

01:27:59 --> 01:28:01

In the Arab world, they certainly don't. The

01:28:01 --> 01:28:03

only exception really is

01:28:03 --> 01:28:06

Turkey, where the divinity faculties do have their

01:28:06 --> 01:28:08

own journals and do have their

01:28:08 --> 01:28:10

publication houses.

01:28:11 --> 01:28:13

But not generally elsewhere in the Islamic world.

01:28:13 --> 01:28:15

So he gives it to a Pakistani publisher

01:28:16 --> 01:28:17

who mangles it.

01:28:18 --> 01:28:19

Abolhyse and Nedwi

01:28:20 --> 01:28:23

rescues it and works on it. And finally,

01:28:23 --> 01:28:26

it's published in Lucknow in 4 volumes.

01:28:27 --> 01:28:29

The first proper edition doesn't come out until

01:28:29 --> 01:28:30

about 1985,

01:28:30 --> 01:28:31

so it has to wait

01:28:33 --> 01:28:35

40 years or so before it comes out.

01:28:37 --> 01:28:39

He has other books on the Quran,

01:28:39 --> 01:28:41

which are interesting. Arut Al Quran, which is

01:28:41 --> 01:28:43

on the toponymics, the place names in the

01:28:43 --> 01:28:43

Quran.

01:28:44 --> 01:28:47

He has a book on, the famous

01:28:47 --> 01:28:49

the the the proper names in the Quran.

01:28:50 --> 01:28:51

So who is the firaun?

01:28:52 --> 01:28:55

Who are these individual prophets and so forth.

01:28:55 --> 01:28:57

This is aalam in the Quran.

01:28:58 --> 01:29:00

Other books. He has a book on Tassawaf,

01:29:00 --> 01:29:01

Tassawaf islamin,

01:29:02 --> 01:29:04

published in Lucknow in 8 in 1929,

01:29:05 --> 01:29:06

I think.

01:29:06 --> 01:29:08

Which is an interesting kind of book, in

01:29:08 --> 01:29:10

that it's a kind of summary of some

01:29:10 --> 01:29:12

of the early Tassaroff manuals

01:29:13 --> 01:29:14

from Sarraj,

01:29:14 --> 01:29:16

4th century of the Hijra,

01:29:16 --> 01:29:17

Kitab al luma,

01:29:19 --> 01:29:20

Down to

01:29:21 --> 01:29:22

again Mulla Abdulrahman Jami,

01:29:24 --> 01:29:24

and

01:29:25 --> 01:29:28

8th 9th century, and his lower ehar, which

01:29:28 --> 01:29:30

we looked at briefly when we talked about

01:29:30 --> 01:29:31

Jami. So a very interesting

01:29:33 --> 01:29:35

way of introducing Sufism just by these

01:29:36 --> 01:29:39

literary figures. And it's written to some extent,

01:29:39 --> 01:29:41

in order to alert people who might be

01:29:41 --> 01:29:43

seduced by the kind of Ahlul Hadith

01:29:45 --> 01:29:46

attempt to shrink Islam,

01:29:47 --> 01:29:50

that this is part of the fullness of

01:29:50 --> 01:29:50

scriptural

01:29:51 --> 01:29:51

Islam.

01:29:52 --> 01:29:54

Here's a short seerah, which is interesting again,

01:29:54 --> 01:29:57

unusual based very much on the seerah events

01:29:57 --> 01:29:59

as these are recounted in the Quran.

01:30:00 --> 01:30:03

And biographical works. So this Akbar Allah Habadi,

01:30:03 --> 01:30:06

the satirical poet who helped to,

01:30:06 --> 01:30:09

catalyze his his conversion or his reconversion. He

01:30:09 --> 01:30:11

has a whole book about him. Very useful

01:30:11 --> 01:30:13

biography, I'm told.

01:30:15 --> 01:30:15

So he's

01:30:16 --> 01:30:18

really in a state of some poverty in

01:30:18 --> 01:30:19

Dariabad,

01:30:20 --> 01:30:22

turning out these books and this journal. He's

01:30:22 --> 01:30:25

able to do this partly because he's not

01:30:25 --> 01:30:27

part of an organization, and he tries

01:30:28 --> 01:30:29

to pull together,

01:30:29 --> 01:30:31

you know, all of the Muslim tendencies in

01:30:31 --> 01:30:32

India.

01:30:32 --> 01:30:35

That's certainly been for CMC an important principle

01:30:35 --> 01:30:38

that we don't have any confessional

01:30:38 --> 01:30:40

requirements for studying here. Even if you're a

01:30:40 --> 01:30:42

a Christian, you could take the BA at

01:30:42 --> 01:30:45

CMC, and we're kind of inclusive in that

01:30:45 --> 01:30:45

sense.

01:30:47 --> 01:30:48

And I mentioned his

01:30:49 --> 01:30:52

good relations with with these

01:30:52 --> 01:30:54

Hindus. It is very important I think to

01:30:54 --> 01:30:57

remember that this strict Islamic authenticity,

01:30:58 --> 01:31:00

the guy whose mother won't stand on a

01:31:00 --> 01:31:01

railway platform,

01:31:02 --> 01:31:04

is also from that same world that was

01:31:04 --> 01:31:06

friendly with Hindus and they were reading Persian.

01:31:08 --> 01:31:10

That can't be stressed enough really,

01:31:11 --> 01:31:12

in our polarizing

01:31:13 --> 01:31:14

BJP

01:31:15 --> 01:31:15

times.

01:31:17 --> 01:31:18

So

01:31:24 --> 01:31:26

he maintains this

01:31:27 --> 01:31:28

extraordinary

01:31:29 --> 01:31:29

sort of diligent

01:31:30 --> 01:31:32

life as an independent scholar,

01:31:33 --> 01:31:35

which is another mode that you find

01:31:36 --> 01:31:38

some olemmat trying to follow nowadays. Even though

01:31:38 --> 01:31:41

in the Islamic world, majority of Muslim countries,

01:31:41 --> 01:31:44

there's so much state supervision of olemmat

01:31:44 --> 01:31:47

and insistence that if you're going to work

01:31:47 --> 01:31:48

on religion you have to do so in

01:31:48 --> 01:31:50

the context of university or even a Darroch

01:31:50 --> 01:31:52

law that is subject to some kind of

01:31:52 --> 01:31:53

state scrutiny

01:31:53 --> 01:31:54

because of the securitising

01:31:55 --> 01:31:56

of religion.

01:31:56 --> 01:31:58

It's really a privilege

01:31:58 --> 01:32:00

to be outside that world and to be

01:32:00 --> 01:32:01

able to research and to do

01:32:02 --> 01:32:04

new and constructive things, rather than be part

01:32:04 --> 01:32:05

of an apparatus

01:32:06 --> 01:32:07

which is ultimately,

01:32:09 --> 01:32:10

curated

01:32:11 --> 01:32:13

in order to ensure the survivability of some

01:32:13 --> 01:32:16

regime or other. That's a harsh judgement, but

01:32:16 --> 01:32:18

a lot of our institutions have become like

01:32:18 --> 01:32:20

that. They're ancillaries to

01:32:21 --> 01:32:23

regime survival. This is a subversion that we

01:32:23 --> 01:32:24

really have to,

01:32:25 --> 01:32:27

at least, be alert to. But, you know,

01:32:27 --> 01:32:29

in the west, rather like in the

01:32:30 --> 01:32:31

republic in India,

01:32:32 --> 01:32:34

you're not subject to those kind of strictures.

01:32:34 --> 01:32:36

And as long as you're not outrageously

01:32:36 --> 01:32:37

extreme,

01:32:38 --> 01:32:40

you can do new things

01:32:40 --> 01:32:42

the way he did in order

01:32:44 --> 01:32:44

to serve

01:32:44 --> 01:32:45

the

01:32:45 --> 01:32:47

religion. So we should close.

01:32:48 --> 01:32:50

He dies, as I say, at the beginning

01:32:51 --> 01:32:53

of 1977.

01:32:54 --> 01:32:56

He dies in Lucknow,

01:32:57 --> 01:33:00

and the Jannazzar prayer, the first Jannazzar prayer

01:33:00 --> 01:33:02

is held at Nedretul Olomar.

01:33:02 --> 01:33:04

And according to his own wishes,

01:33:05 --> 01:33:05

Maulana,

01:33:06 --> 01:33:10

Abloh Hassan Ali Nedwi leads the Jahnazzar prayer.

01:33:10 --> 01:33:11

He's buried in Dariabad,

01:33:11 --> 01:33:14

kind of returning home, buried in the Dargah,

01:33:15 --> 01:33:15

the little

01:33:16 --> 01:33:17

Sufi cemetery

01:33:18 --> 01:33:19

of his ancestor,

01:33:20 --> 01:33:22

Sheikh Mahdoum

01:33:22 --> 01:33:24

Ab Keshe, the one who brought water to

01:33:24 --> 01:33:26

the village. Whatever it is

01:33:27 --> 01:33:28

that he did.

01:33:29 --> 01:33:29

And,

01:33:31 --> 01:33:33

on his grave is inscribed, of course, a

01:33:33 --> 01:33:36

Quranic inscription, which indicates his humility.

01:33:51 --> 01:33:53

So in Surah Al Zumr, we have a

01:33:53 --> 01:33:55

particular connection with Surat Zomer

01:33:55 --> 01:33:57

at CMC. It's

01:33:57 --> 01:33:59

the treasures keep keep coming.

01:34:00 --> 01:34:02

I've never seen that Ayah

01:34:03 --> 01:34:03

on

01:34:04 --> 01:34:05

a gravestone

01:34:05 --> 01:34:06

before.

01:34:07 --> 01:34:10

The translation is, say, oh my servants who

01:34:10 --> 01:34:11

have been extravagant

01:34:12 --> 01:34:13

against themselves,

01:34:13 --> 01:34:16

do not despair of Allah's mercy. Allah forgives

01:34:16 --> 01:34:17

all sins.

01:34:17 --> 01:34:19

He is the forgiving the merciful.

01:34:20 --> 01:34:21

That's a very contrite

01:34:21 --> 01:34:23

verse to choose.

01:34:23 --> 01:34:25

And he was a very humble

01:34:26 --> 01:34:28

person, despite these, you know, very significant,

01:34:29 --> 01:34:30

accomplishments.

01:34:30 --> 01:34:31

And

01:34:32 --> 01:34:34

this has something to do, I suspect, with

01:34:34 --> 01:34:36

his wandering in the darkness for 10 years.

01:34:36 --> 01:34:39

It's sort of agnostic or atheistic period.

01:34:40 --> 01:34:42

Don't despair of Allah's mercy.

01:34:43 --> 01:34:45

That could be said of the whole Ummah

01:34:45 --> 01:34:47

as we wander in this darkness of craziness

01:34:47 --> 01:34:49

that's going on now. And

01:34:49 --> 01:34:50

so few Muslim countries

01:34:52 --> 01:34:54

to whose structures one can really give heartfelt

01:34:54 --> 01:34:58

ascent nowadays. Things are really decadent, in some

01:34:58 --> 01:34:58

cases,

01:34:59 --> 01:34:59

outrageous.

01:35:00 --> 01:35:03

There's a lot of darkness around, but look

01:35:03 --> 01:35:05

at this. He went through the ultimate darkness,

01:35:05 --> 01:35:09

came back again, shone light to so many.

01:35:09 --> 01:35:11

So we're proud to have his tafsir in

01:35:11 --> 01:35:12

the CMC library.

01:35:12 --> 01:35:14

Insha'Allah it'll be in the library helping people

01:35:14 --> 01:35:17

in a 100 years time. Do not despair

01:35:17 --> 01:35:18

of Allah's mercy.

01:35:20 --> 01:35:23

That's a good ayah to remember in this

01:35:23 --> 01:35:25

time when we really seem to be in

01:35:25 --> 01:35:25

a tunnel.

01:35:26 --> 01:35:26

So,

01:35:27 --> 01:35:28

yeah,

01:35:31 --> 01:35:32

Abdul Majid,

01:35:32 --> 01:35:33

Daria Bedi,

01:35:38 --> 01:35:40

Interesting life, traumatized life, in a difficult time

01:35:40 --> 01:35:41

of

01:35:42 --> 01:35:44

shifting between a fully medieval

01:35:45 --> 01:35:47

God oriented life to the pragmatism

01:35:48 --> 01:35:52

of test tubes, railway trains, British Raj, institutional

01:35:52 --> 01:35:56

racism. A difficult time he lived through. Caught

01:35:56 --> 01:35:57

between 2 worlds

01:35:57 --> 01:35:58

and showing

01:35:59 --> 01:36:01

that because Islam is light and can't be

01:36:01 --> 01:36:03

confined in any world,

01:36:04 --> 01:36:05

that you can use Islam

01:36:06 --> 01:36:08

in the context of the English language,

01:36:09 --> 01:36:10

and the Quran's

01:36:10 --> 01:36:13

light continues to shine

01:36:13 --> 01:36:14

even in the language

01:36:14 --> 01:36:15

of the imperialist.

01:36:17 --> 01:36:18

So Islam

01:36:19 --> 01:36:20

prevails.

01:36:21 --> 01:36:22

It has the upper

01:36:23 --> 01:36:23

hand.

01:36:26 --> 01:36:28

What remains of the Raj

01:36:28 --> 01:36:29

now?

01:36:29 --> 01:36:31

Well, some messed up mines

01:36:32 --> 01:36:33

and a few railway stations,

01:36:34 --> 01:36:35

but Islam is still going.

01:36:36 --> 01:36:38

Churches of the raj, largely empty.

01:36:39 --> 01:36:42

Mosques are still full. Despite all of pessimism,

01:36:42 --> 01:36:44

the mosques everywhere are still

01:36:44 --> 01:36:45

full.

01:36:46 --> 01:36:49

Do not despair of Allah's mercy.

01:36:49 --> 01:36:50

So insha'Allah,

01:36:51 --> 01:36:51

it's

01:36:51 --> 01:36:54

a dramatic story, but one from which we

01:36:54 --> 01:36:56

can learn practical lessons because it's a story

01:36:56 --> 01:36:59

of our time and our age. May Allah

01:37:00 --> 01:37:01

grant him,

01:37:02 --> 01:37:02

paradise

01:37:03 --> 01:37:04

and insha'allah

01:37:04 --> 01:37:05

add to

01:37:07 --> 01:37:08

the blessings that he has given to this

01:37:08 --> 01:37:10

Ummah through his tafsir and his other works

01:37:10 --> 01:37:13

inshallah, and support the Muslims of India in

01:37:13 --> 01:37:16

these difficult times insha'Allah. They've been through difficult

01:37:16 --> 01:37:17

times before insha'Allah.

01:37:20 --> 01:37:22

Allah's word is uppermost.

01:37:29 --> 01:37:31

Cambridge Muslim College,

01:37:31 --> 01:37:34

training the next generation of Muslim thinkers.

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