Yusuf Chambers – Studied Every Religion Then Found Islam
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The Islam community, which is part of a social group called the Islam community, is a part of a group called the Islam community. The project aims to bring the message of Islam through actions rather than big talk, and is part of a social group called the Islam community. The importance of normalized Islam is emphasized, along with the use of cutting-edge technology and people as tools for personal growth. The history of the world to be called back to Islam is also discussed, including the "by the way" tour in London and the "by the way" tour in Manchester. The importance of providing a blueprint to avoid becoming dangerous and reflect on the importance of humanizing Islam is emphasized, along with upcoming events and events for people with addiction.
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hamdu Lillahi Rabbil Alameen wa salatu salam ala Rasulillah Salam aleikum. Wa
Rahmatullah. We have a very good friend today. Sheikh Yusuf Estes. Oh, yes. The man myself. He's alright. Oh, no, no, you know.
I'm another Gora. Yeah, I've seen you before. So when have you seen
where we've seen you piece TV? Yeah. You know about the story about use of Vestas. Well, one guy came up to him in the street and said,
I know you, you're on television, shake Bilal Philips
you know, the best one I heard I was in Malaysia. Yeah. And
actually, the first time I'm doing green Yeah.
I was in Birmingham. I was giving a lecture. So let you in here we are just about Yeah, he he went on first. And I said look, you know, I'm just really happy to just the first time I met John Fontaine and and everyone always asked me is John spontaneous? So
everyone's laughing so when I go up I said the you know, I'm really happy to see over here in green everyone
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no, no. You see recognize my accent? Oh, yeah. You know? Oh, you from Manchester. Yeah, you said that you read? Don't follow football.
Liverpool.
Until you were from Liverpool now for Manchester.
That's the worst thing you can say. So Mike. I know. Okay, this window here. I'm gonna have him. Welcome to another episode of The Young smokes podcast. And we have UK is biggest. Schmuck our Smurf.
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If chamber. That's what my wife calls me useless.
So here, we're in Leicester. Yeah. And we're in the city retreat. Yep. So I think this is a good time for you to tell us about this new project that you've had. It's been running for a couple of years.
Yeah, well is the city retreat.
What is a blank canvas.
It's kind of like a blank canvas in the city where people can come, kickback, chill, retreat, and meet each other on a equal footing equal plane. But it's run by Muslims. And it's initiated by Muslims. And fundamentally, it is about trying to bring the beautiful message of Islam through actions rather than big big chat because we could chat.
We ain't good at math talk the talk. We can't walk the walk the walk the walk. Yeah. So yeah. So I realized that for a long time, we used to go around doing these tours and big up tours and 20 things. You was one of the founding founders of IRA. Yeah. Which is arguably one of the biggest our organizations in the world.
Yeah, I mean, Allah subhanaw taala was very merciful at that time because we had no money and we
To open AI era, there was no money there was there wasn't even the motivation for doing it. People didn't even know why we were doing it actually took ages to explain it. But I went from that IRA flex.
And some things happen. And so I moved aside and I moved up to Leicester. And I said to myself, we need to, can you kind of change the your approach? Yeah, I mean, look, you can't leave the dour.
You just have to you like,
you know, like a butterfly. You've been cocooned for a long time. And then suddenly, you realize you can fly out of the cocoon, and do it yourself. And that's what happened.
No, Mashallah. I mean,
anyone who's actually been involved in grassroots Dawa,
such as our tables working with the Muslims, this is their dream, you know, to have such a space. Such a central space. Yeah. And he is right in the city like this. You know, this is literally a few minutes walk from the center. Yeah, yeah, it is right in the center. I designed it that way. Because I could have opened up in the ghetto, the Muslim ghetto, what's the point?
population is Muslim. And, okay, there's a lot of people falling off the bandwagon as it were.
But effectively, you need to be in a place where there's lots of people that you the bandwagon you go
around, right. I mean, you know, there's a lot of data.
That was mostly in sport, you're trying to get data to your people? Well, I,
you know, I'm trying to do
is to normalize Islam. And Muslims doing activity, which is associated with the Islamic message in an area where they're not Muslims.
So essentially, we're trying to normalize Islam in this environment. And that's what the Prophet saw someone did. So what do you say to someone who says, well, they're never gonna be happy with you until you leave your religion? Yeah. Well, what do you mean by normalizing Islam? But because it's so someone who's not familiar with Tao, or speaking to the non Muslim English people, they don't know where you're coming from? You know, a lot of people when they hear about your project, they don't get it. I get it. No,
they don't get it until they've been here a few times. And they've seen what we do. Because seeing is believing brother. But that's not a good thing to say to the atheist. Yeah. But anyway.
But yeah, I mean, you can.
But
essentially,
they don't get it because the flex isn't our flex isn't calling, that flex is maintaining,
its retaining what they got in their family, what they've got from their traditions, what they got from their, you know, their, their life expectancy, you know, that would expectations, their life, which is set up in their family. Yeah. Whereas we being reverse new Muslims, old new Muslims, particularly me, you know, we gained
our faith after having to force ourselves basically, to find ourselves. And so we were happy with opposition. Whereas a lot of people in the ghetto, they're not, they don't even know what the opposition is, really. And some of them have not even asked questions.
So essentially, this is normal for us to be in a society, we grew up in this society with these people. And for us to be able to normalize Islam in this environment is key. If we manage to do that, and it's tough. Guess what?
That was easy.
It's really literally No, today we went for a full English breakfast. Yeah, very. Yeah.
And there's an old lady struggling with the door. And you've run over and helped with the door and close the door in her face. No, you're the open the door. Yeah. You know, and she thought you Jewish, right.
And then as we go out, you gave her a book about Jesus. Yeah. And then she opened it and realized you. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. So follow, essentially, I mean, you know, to normalize Islam, meaning they're used to Christian morality, and Islamic morality is not that far removed at all. Look it up the People of the Book, Jews, the Christians and the Muslims Abrahamic faiths. The only
The jump that they need to make is that Muslims are not going to be a problem for them. So when they see us in the city center, being far being a problem from them, that they're actually offering solutions to them, and not pushing them to suddenly become Muslim.
Believe me, they're gonna love us.
And that's what's happening. Yeah. I mean, it's a very open space, like you say, it's an open canvas, you can do what you want to hear. Yeah, it's not a masjid. You can pray her? Yeah. But a lot of people don't get it, you know, they are gonna think that I think a lot of people imagine that you're going to have like, some woman leader leading the salon or something, they kind of think it's that type of vibe, but it's not what they do. They don't understand that you run it as an Islamic organization. Yeah, they also think that funding is from other sources, you know, to deal with the government, government. And
we've actually turned that down. Because at the end of the day, we want to be want to be on free flow, what the people want, laissez faire. You know, people want spirituality. They want faith.
But they're scared of it. They've been frightened away from it.
We've frighten them away. So I want to speak to you about
first of all, before we go into
Dower, I want to ask you, because a lot of people might not know who use chambers is I mean, it's been a while since you've been on PSTV. The solution for humanity this solution? Yeah. Are you you know, you're not as
well known as you used to be? Yeah, you know, you. There's a few more rivets in town now. Although there are
always confusing, everyone. So for things, for those who are not aware,
how did you come to Islam?
I mean, how old was he when he was 26? Okay, six to 26 and a half, something like that. So, I embraced Islam, after a period of about 11 years of searching.
And although I didn't go out and say, right, let's spend the next 10 years searching wasn't like that, obviously. I was dead keen to find out what it was all about who I was. So I just kept searching. And left school when I was 15. Run away from home, typical stuff, you know, and then started searching, meeting people talking to them. And then there came a time when I'd done the work bit. Sick of the workplace, the Monday thing I've done, the pubs I've done the clubs, I've done the
music scene, because you've grown that year from an Irish background. Yeah, so the Irish background.
And then you start asking big questions. Yeah. But aside from all of that, what's that about?
pointing outwards as in the universe and the bigger things
that as I said, spent 11 years on that 11 years.
And then I went to university to find the purpose of life. 11 years is a long term, you said, what do you do?
It's an awful long time.
Fooling around messing around, pushing people's boundaries, asking lots of questions, running away, hiding.
Reading an awful lot of literature, which was some of it is very useful. Some of it confused the * out of you. You know,
not once in that, like 10 years, 10 and a half year period, did I ever come across Islam? Sometimes not once? Did you look at other different religions? Or? Yeah, I looked at this. I looked at sorry, Judaism, I looked at Christianity.
Many times, I kept dabbling with it. I became a Buddhist for a while, do some Buddhist meditation found that very useful. Ask the guy what's what's the purpose of life, but he didn't have the answer.
That
you know, so So I moved away from that when he didn't really have the answer.
Long story, long story, but basically, I dabble with all the world's religions and Islam never came across Islam. No, no, the only time was six months before I became Muslim.
Maybe maybe a little bit more than that.
Before that, I I live with a Bengali family. Yeah. So the Bengali family
had taken me into their house and I was running their businesses. I was an optician at that time. So running their small optician practice.
And
in that six months period, they've never explained anything they ever said to me. Because I didn't know it was a
pay for the white man let me take so nothing ever said was
in this way is La Selim
his is nabi he's nosy not God. Okay
fine, whatever that means.
And that was it didn't expect months that was the doll
and that was quite good
that was quite good one
on it really?
So
and then you know I went back to see them after being Muslim and give them set arms and they didn't understand what was going on. What do you mean by get Salam aleikum wa rahmatullah wa barakatu. At the door.
You said, Oh, Hi, Tim. Come in, have some tea. I didn't tell Muslim. I just wait to see if they would know.
The second time went back, give them Salam again. So why are you giving sunlamps to us? I said, because I'm a Muslim.
And terror, I said, But how did you become Muslim? We didn't call you to Islam.
It's interesting. Yeah. I mean,
it's difficult because a lot of people don't know how they don't know the priorities on them. Right? Yeah. If right, we're frightened, actually, we are reticent reluctant. Even more these days, were reticent reluctant to give data because we feel that straightaway, they'll come down on us and under like a ton of bricks like they do on social media, like they're doing the television like they do in the media, like they're doing the movies. And like they're doing the shopping mall now. Like they're doing the street now, you know, because there's free license against Muslims, but we killed we killed it anyway, long time before they started that by not calling them.
You know, Allah says if you don't
you don't care about this. You don't love this way. I'll find a group that will. If you're, you know, there has to be a group amongst the Muslim community. Yeah. Yeah. You know, commanded the good. Yeah. forbidding the evil calling. And I'm listening. Yeah.
And I've heard that I would have a similar experience as yourself. I didn't know that a white man could be a Muslim. Yeah, the lights have seen. I keep saying this. I feel like every podcast I'm seeing the likes of seeing the use of Vestas up looking green yourself.
Laurens brown etc. Yeah. On TV? Yeah. Have you met him? His Yeah, I did a podcast with
him a
long time. Now.
But yeah, I mean, this is the thing, just telling people what Islam is. Yeah, at least then you can make your own decision. Then 11 years you were searching? Yeah, just being given maybe a basic pamphlet or some information about Islam
may have kind of directed you in
a certain
way to search.
Yeah, would have added to the show would have added to the party. But the party was then dominated by stuff I was able to read in a way that was accessible.
But I was born in you know, a by and large, very white dominated middle class. British, you know, backdrop you know, sorry.
Born in Woking spent some time in Bristol then came back to Guilford, Godalming, Hazel mail. There's sorry. Sorry, places.
And
Muslims weren't there were Muslims were there. They were hiding, hiding what they had because they feared that they would be, you know,
somehow
oppressed or put down? So they probably would they were being put down at that time. So when when you came to Islam, when did you meet after him green? Like when did you up to him green start having ideas about a year and Darwin actually setting something up around the 2000, something like that. We set up green and chambers
around that time. That was an organization because absolutely him been going up and down. And as I started to as well as going up and down the country giving lectures and universities and he was in the Hyde Park, before it became a disorganized rubble of people beating each other up.
I've seen the old videos up to him. It didn't look too much, but
there was a certain element of organization in the chaos
Not now. But when? Yeah, I mean, people might disagree for the cameras. Yeah. Yeah. Before the cameras before the young smokes, appeared on the scene.
No, I mean, we said that we need to kind of in some way professionalize this so that we don't end up in prison with a debt. And the Dow stops
so we tried to do that through Ira then we started doing fundraising together, and Islam channel and I'll plethora of different channels.
And then we had a little bit of extra cash to go out and do the talks. And then we started organizing talks ourselves, you know, organizing events,
fundraising, etc. I think I disappeared for a couple of weeks to Morocco or something with my family.
And
abdur-rahim and socket, sitar I'm sure other guys got together. And they concepted this thing in my absence, like Ira got back. And they said, Look, this is what we're going to do.
So wow,
that's really ambitious, because that was calling the world back to Allah. A new front Fidel, the t shirt was a new front calling
Islamic era, like the new but the t shirt was specifically a new front for the dollar on the front and the back are calling the world back to Allah. So anyway, it was a and then we had all these like brainwaves and the super charged thoughts about how we can call all of the ads from different parts of the world. And we did. Bill Phillips was there
was was there toffee Choudhry Abdur Rahim of course and some guys from Mexico, some guys from Guatemala. Ecuador. Yeah, here from Ecuador. Some other guys from all around the place you seen you? I believe who's saying he was there? Was he? I've seen him on some of the was yeah, I'm not sure if he was there on the initial tour, not us.
Yes, this was
he was there. Allow Phillips was there, you know, so we had I called Zack a Nike when he came on the phone.
Because we had like nine cities, what 10 years ago, see almost 10 years ago to almost two months ago, two years ago, 1010 years ago, two months ago, shall I say anniversary. And
it was big. And it was short. It was like the thinking was blow blow a job. But then we came out the tour with virtually nothing. No, the donations were poor. One man came to us.
And he basically wrote out the check to start Ira upon one man, all of the tours, the tour of the tour of the tour, and we took on a lot. We were seeing schools, televisions, radio stations, magazines, so to venues, the whole lot. We were doing everything, suddenly, we took there was like, it was the best thing ever. You'll never repeat something like this. But it was like we had a whole cavalcade of vehicles going up and down the UK with these amazing personalities that have been falling. You know, and then
you know, it ended up in the evidence crib. But then the guy writes the check. And that enables us to take on a few full time dot key and maintain relationships with the others.
Some were upset because we weren't able to fulfill the promises of being a world collective dour organization. But now that is the case with Ira. Ira has done that now. Have people in every continent talking about Dow acting about acting according to the Dow, that's good.
Then you you kind of few years ago,
kind of took a step back from my era. You started your own project. Yeah. So you have the city retreat. And you have a an ambition to get one of these in every big major city and yeah, yeah, I mean, the blueprints taking a long time to set up.
Because people in the community to simply understand what's going on here. Is it it's like, you know, what's that?
Is it is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's Batman. You know, it's and it's like they you know, is it a mosque?
Is it a church? No. Is it our center?
You know, it's a bit like
that it's or is it a synagogue?
synagogue? You walk in? Yeah. See me walking around. Yeah. So it is very
Do you have any Jewish? I do. Yeah. I've got Jewish on both sides. In fact, I recently found out that I could probably go and get Israeli citizenship if I wanted to
get one.
I don't know what the benefit is for really any benefit be interesting. Be interesting for you.
To see me on the back end have a good beating.
No, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I in all honesty, cool fundraiser. Yeah.
As your phone going, right now. Hello, top in the morning to you?
Well, yes, Subhan Allah is it's an interesting concept, because me and my, my local team, if you like on my group have
closed our brothers. In Manchester, we've been, you know, thinking about doing something like this in Manchester for a long time. So the main thing, the main issues when the blueprint comes out, and it's distributed, and others, others are already wanting to take, I've got people in Birmingham, Manchester, I've got people in Scotland, I got people in Qatar, we've got people in different parts of the world who want me to give them the blueprint.
You can't make the blueprint and tell.
You can't give the blueprint until you've lived it.
You know, the Prophet saw some had the Meccan and the Medina and period and before that, it was the period of Muhammad Allah to dealing with the people and trying to understand the message and good retiring to the cave and asking assistance from Allah subhanho wa taala. And dealing with the issues of the people, according to his fitrah. And then he gets ye, and then it moves into a different arena totally. And the Dow moves forward, and they start calling secretly, and then they start falling openly. And then they set upon and then you know, there's Hedra. So with us, we've been going through phases where the Dow and the Dow is just right there with the city retreat is just to
choose to normalize Islamic
care character in the society to get people and normally, when you get people coming in the center that we're not never go in a mosque, never at all. There'll be terrified going on us for here because it's like a retreat. It's a Dallas and it's not an obvious data center. So there's no architecture. So the one of the things that I learned from the kind of Quilliam Abdullah Henry William Quilliam
age in the Victorian Britain is that the center was just a house.
Okay, it was the new as a mosque, and they used to attack it. And that is very tough during those days. But
essentially, there's no nothing to stop people coming in here. And people walk in and they say, What is this place? And we said, we kind of say, well, it's a community center. Do you need any help?
No, that would never happen. If the there was two domes and the minaret
and the writing 100,000
pounds on how many? Yes, 100,000 By the way, some of these minarets? Yes, yes. SubhanAllah.
And so they're not going to come? Now the Prophet saw some did the same thing. So why are we doing this stuff anyway?
You're not using our intelligence. You know, this is
as Allah says, In the Quran, you know,
call to the people with wisdom and fair preaching.
argue with them in a way which is better, you know.
And the way to establish and normalize the faith of Islam is just be human.
And then explain to them why you're being human. Because no human is, is abnormal.
Do you know what I mean?
Like normalize the faith, bring it back into reality in the heart of the city center.
Nothing to stop them coming in.
When they come in, you they get the tea straightaway. They get the biscuits, they get the smile. And they sometimes they sit here reading a Bible.
They'll sit here reading the Bible, right? And then we just give them another book. He said, By the way, this is interesting as well, if you read this one,
and then English book.
And then sometimes they say, what else do you do here? I mean, well, we've got the homeless stuff we're doing at the moment. Although
The homeless stuff needs a long it needs another podcast, because Muslims are all into this stuff, but they're not thinking of step two and step three and step four. You don't want to be dangerous. You
see what I mean? Yeah, you know, I have
some thoughts about the homeless projects as well. It's hard because how, as a Muslim, can you tell someone not to feed someone? But at the same time, it's not going to help? It's a short term. Yeah. You know, if the Muslims and the Christians keep feeding homeless people keep giving them the necessary the needs that they have the council and the government, they're not going to do anything about it. That's, yeah, well, they forego the responsibility, you know, people take over. But then because the people are not perfect, they have no professionalism.
You see, because, you know, we were doing it. And then greenlink took over and started doing it. I was talking to camera the other day.
And we found then after that, there's another phase that happens after that is when everybody comes you got to signpost, them.
You got to deal with a complex needs, with class, a class drug use, with their disease, with the incredible odors that they bring, because they've not washed
in a properly for weeks, clothes, etc. They're dedicating themselves.
So one has to then move into a different paradigm, you know, you're not just like dealing with God, give them a bed, we're giving them winter night shelter. So you give them their 10 beds in here, you know, on the on the winter nights,
then it moves into a different How are you going to deal with their real under
that what's underpinning their addiction? Or the fact that they've left society? Are you going to deal with that? If you're not going to deal with that, don't lie to them.
Don't keep them, you say. So we anyway, we've been going forward says these people that walk in, they see these Muslim guys in the city center, giving assistance to the people that they should be helping.
And they started give me internet donations, I've had hardcore EDL guys arguing with us in here, the next day, they come in with 500 quid
upon this is groundbreaking.
But
we're doing this for Allah, that's the thing. So we need to keep ourselves on. Now you see, it's just it is a big responsibility to take on. And if you do take on the homeless, Project fully. You can't do other projects, you know, like, especially if you've got children coming in and out. Right. So that's where we got next door, there's a premises come up this land over here, there's places over here.
When the Muslims start to realize the significance of a model like this, then, you know, businessmen can easily buy in fact, it's owned by Muslims. Anyway, so yes, hopefully they'll give it was one day. But
then that becomes your detox or your Assisted Living Center. So they come in here, you feed them, and you've got plan B, plan C, Plan D, and you know, where it's going. And somewhere along the line, whether surreptitiously like carefully and subtly
you imbibe the message of Islam, you have to if you're not going to give these guys a purpose, you just lying to them.
You know, they they're lying in their bed, and you're lying to them.
You know, so a few of them took charge with us. Sure.
But then dealing with addiction issues, and
you know, it's I don't know if they're muscle enough,
you know,
you see, you see this up and down for life.
Are they alive? That's the thing, you know,
a lot of these homeless things around by Muslims or with Muslims, because Muslims feel guilty about not giving doubt. So they think what can I do to show my faith, I love my faith, I want to make my faith manifest. So they go off and they'll give all their stuff from the house to different projects. And the thing of the hamdulillah is I've done something, you see what I mean?
So that's why we do but the thing is, we tried to institute it and make it happen here. So you work with normal some charities tomorrow. Tomorrow. We got six events tomorrow and Saturday. We've got six events. So you got like maybe
Mellon cancer day we've got Laura so local less debase charity that's coming and doing an event.
We've got a refugee Meet and Greet as it's basically for displaced people meeting we've got
Arabic lesson as well and like all of these people
there's nothing to stop them joining the Arabic there's nothing to stop them joining the Quran class or the city the circle on Sundays, Sunday they do. They join. Some of them come before the hotbar they stand at the back and listen to the football. We've had radical far right people listen to the football and then they come they give a donation in the box over there. It's upon
why is it that we haven't been doing this the crazy thing, the worrying thing? We've been doing this for 67 years and those massages 2000 of them or plus?
I don't think we'd be in this problem today.
You know, some people might think that by doing something like this
you must be watering down the religion.
watering down was nothing What would you say? Would you
Yeah, they say I'm you know,
I've never seen Yeah, like yeah,
they say that. You know, Islam very seems wishy washy. My answer my answer to them is what is Islam?
Is this a set of rituals and clothing? If it is, I'm leaving tomorrow.
The gang you know, it isn't? I know isn't right. Because I know what changed me was not the clothes not the beard.
It wasn't looking at someone's beard and saying wow, I want to be like that.
Be it is nice.
But it makes you feel like a man.
But it's essential. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, bro. Go for a bad call
talking about before the big bear man Johnny. He wasn't the beard. Yeah, so now the beard is good. Yeah. I like the beard. I mean, I couldn't do without the beard. Now, face I couldn't go back at all that
we ever done that.
I haven't done it. But I've seen people and like you don't recognize them. And he's like, this is bad enough when he goes to the barbers and he just asked for like, yeah, you feel like you've got no bed you feel like gonna face
it fearless. We didn't come to Islam for this meet we found the belief in Islam. No, it was the it was the
esoteric or the light, the spiritual aspects of this faith, the Brotherhood, the sisterhood, the Brotherhood, the
and having a fundamental understanding of what this world was all about. You know, and who had created us and where we're gonna go and
direction? Focus. Yeah, direction and focus, you know.
I feel that the mosques have just been become about the five daily prayers. Juma. That's it. Maybe some classes for the kids in the evening.
Just to recite the Quran, not understand, you know, it's become very easily so similar to how Christianity has just become a very repetitive thing rather than actually implementing and, yeah, you know, actually changing your life and not being a part of your whole life in the workplace, on the streets the way you deal with people.
I mean, effectively, I mean, I've always said for a long time that the efforts are internally and externally to Christianize Islam.
Do you know what I mean? No, do you mean effectively to compartmentalized the faith and not make it something which is lived with, but lived separately? For Friday, so you just leave it on Friday? For the madrasa then after that it's meaningless anyway, because you just learned the Quran, like a parrot with no taste weed with no tafsir should I say
and no contextualization of the message.
And you're not living it. You're not going to sit you're certainly not going to look at it. We just learned called for Allah who I had, say Mohammed that there's only one God and that is Allah
So
let's implement that in our values in our
in our life, you know, but you're not going to do it. So what you effectively done is set up a chain reaction
of hypocrisy and nonsense
so a person would then just compartmentalize their faith and become Christian because the Christian so that you know, the what happened in in with the Roman state and Paul and you know, we're not gonna get into deep Christianity fundamentally the state took over and then controlled it as its own asset invented it. Yeah, the new the new version. Yeah. Which is what you some would argue is what people are trying to do today to some degree of success to allow people to say look, this lab is not it's not doesn't give all the solutions it's only a quick fix for now and again, Fridays, okay, you know, take the kids in madrasa getting them to learn the Quran. Oh, yeah, have the party afterwards.
Quran Whoa, Mashallah.
And then afterwards, get them married. And what's the issue? They go into Jen anyway.
But that's it.
Isn't that what?
Tell me I'm in. It was funny. I was just walking through the sister center today.
And just was just gonna be the same people just like sheep, you know? Yeah. People, they need to slump. They'd have a herd of Islam. These 11 years you were talking about?
There's loads of people like that. Yeah. And what they have heard about Islam is the wrong message. You know, just what the media has fed them. Well, yeah. Yousef, it is a pleasure to come and visit you here in the retreat. Yeah.
Hopefully insha Allah in the future. We can do some more podcasts, maybe speak about some of the more
important points of Dawa within our communities here in the UK.
Yeah, and I think I think I think we can
discuss that further. Inshallah. Inshallah, I know you're tired today you've had a very stressful day as well.
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