Yousuf Raza – Telepsychiatry Pakistan X Saving9
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This is Yusuf Raza.
Unfortunately, I do not have Azam with me
today.
He got caught up.
In any case, we have a very special
show planned for you today.
As we shared, our Mental Health Awareness campaign
is going on.
And a lot of people object to us
and criticize us, that the negative aspects of
the picture are being shown quite a lot.
It is as if there is nothing good
going on.
It is as if there are no good
people around.
It is as if there is no good
work being done.
So, keeping that in mind, and to share
with our audience and anyone who cares to
listen that there is not just a ray
of hope, there is a lot of hope.
There are a lot of good people doing
a lot of good stuff out there.
And so for that reason, we are joined
today by two of the representatives of Saving
Nine organization.
I will allow for them to introduce themselves.
I will first ask Faizan Tirmidhi, who is
the director of development for Saving Nine, bring
him in stream, and then he will be
followed by Amina, and then the three of
us will try to talk about all of
their projects and all of the wonderful things
that they are doing, and the experiences that
they have from that.
And there seems to be a technical issue.
I think, Faizan, you're on mute.
Now we can hear you.
I'm sorry, I don't think I can hear
you.
I cannot
hear you at all.
And we're back.
Is it working now?
I don't know if it's just me or
if that's the case with everyone.
I can hear you, but very scrambled.
I'm sorry, I can't catch any of that.
Let me ask Amina to join us.
Amina, she is the director of mental health
operations at Saving Nine.
Unfortunately, Faizan is having technical issues, part of
the package.
But now that you're here, thank you so
much for being here.
If you could introduce Saving Nine for us.
Of course, assalamu alaikum to you and to
everybody who's watching.
My name is Amina, and I'm the director
for the mental health initiatives at Saving Nine.
And Saving Nine is an organization that works
in public health, in mental health, and in
education.
And we basically build communities of care.
And we basically go into schools, universities, ping,
gaon, anywhere, anywhere who would let us in.
And we spread literacy for first aid, and
we spread mental health awareness.
And our narrative is built around empathy and
caring for each other.
And we've been working for about three years
now, I want to say.
And it's been an amazing, amazing journey.
That is wonderful.
Any specific areas you're mainly working around Pindi,
Islamabad, as I'm given to understand?
Yes.
Yes.
So primarily, because the biggest cluster of our
team is in Islamabad and Pindi, that's where
a lot of our on ground operations happen.
But we do trainings in Lahore and Karachi,
and we have a team in the States,
where they work in helping us kind of
spread the word and run operations and just
a lot of other things that they do.
Okay, great.
And I think Faizan is ready to join
us.
I have proper internet, I'm using this device.
So my name is Faizan, as you can
see on the screen, and I'm the director
for development operations.
And the pin side...
And I think the technical difficulties have taken
over once again.
All right.
So can you hear me?
Yes, now we can.
Let's take three.
All right.
I will let Amna do more.
And that's what I would like more because
of the technical issues.
And I will join in in between.
We can hear you now, by the way.
Yes, please go ahead.
Let's see how long this lasts.
Please go ahead.
Okay, I shall really speed up the process
then.
So Amna introduced us.
We've been around for three years.
We started off in Islamabad.
Today was the first day when we actually
expanded our operations from Union Council 7 in
Pindugarh.
Okay, Amna to the rescue.
Yes.
Faizan was trying to say something.
He was saying that you guys expanded today,
there was some milestone achieved today.
I actually, I think that was something in
his team that we've started working in other
operations, and we're out of Union Council 7.
We're moving forward to the next Union Council
and basically we're growing.
One thing that I really, really love about
the work that we do is that we
don't just go into a community and say,
okay, bye, after a couple of years, we
really, really work on developing the community itself
and having the community take ownership of what
they're doing.
So for example, with Faizan's work, where he
has, we're running an ambulance called the Women's
Network.
So we've trained men and women from the
community in first aid.
They are first responders.
They have continuous professional development courses that they
undertake and they're growing, right?
So eventually when we do step out of
this community, it will be a self-sustaining
model where the people have taken ownership of
it.
A huge thing that happens is people go
in, they have expertise, they make change.
There is significant change that you can see
in data that they publish.
But over a period of time, because yeah,
initially they were on positions that were not
of a leadership level.
So you lose the community leaders.
So here we basically only are there to
facilitate and the community takes initiative.
And we've seen amazing things happen.
Things like that happened.
So the place where them seeing how ambulance
used to stand, our EMT said that in
between shifts, they have a lot of time.
So they started running a garden and they
planted vegetables and they told people who don't
have money to eat, they can come and
take whatever they want from the garden and
take it to their houses.
And it's really building this community and this
narrative of taking care of each other, which
is so important.
And especially I want to bring the discussion
slightly to the mental health side, if I
can.
Part of the big problem here is that
mental health ends up taking a backseat in
most conversations about health because you don't have
a basic infrastructure.
Because access to first aid, access to normal
public health facilities is so limited that you
cannot even start having the conversation about mental
health yet.
And so what we really want is for
communities to take care of each other until
that accessibility increases and a lot of amazing
work is happening to bring more access to
mental health.
But until then, the community kind of takes
care of each other.
And we've had awareness campaigns about depression, about
anxiety, about PTSD with members of the Masiha
Ambulance who have then taken it forward into
the community, which has been great.
Just to share a small anecdote, a lot
of times if somebody was having an episode
of mania in bipolar, it would often be
said that they are possessed by something.
And instead of taking the proper help or
getting medicines or going to a psychiatrist or
the hospital, they would end up being taken
to somebody who would claim to be able
to rid them of this possession and in
the process traumatize them further with physical aggression.
So things like that have somewhat gone down
in this region at least.
And it's really such a powerful thing to
witness communities kind of change mindsets.
That's wonderful.
Amika, if you can walk us through when,
and we have Faizan back with us, thank
you for joining us.
Let's just continue our conversation on this, your
mental health awareness campaigns that you led within
the community.
And of course, you're going really into the
suburban areas, the rural population.
How were you received?
How was the whole campaign received?
Okay.
So I think a lot of it, I'm
not going to take a lot of responsibility
for how we did something amazing.
A lot of it was this organic growth.
We started with doing first aid courses in
a couple of the schools in Penn-Bigval.
And then what happened after that was that
we saw the need for an ambulance there.
And then our ambulance started functioning.
And then we were in contact with local
influencers, people who had thought leadership in the
area and being seen with those people kind
of got us this rapport built between the
two communities.
And we were able to kind of gain
a certain amount of trust with them.
And then after that intervention, when we said,
hey, you know, depression is one thing, anxiety
is one thing, people are not just lazy,
people are not just useless, you know.
And that was kind of like, okay, tell
me, what are you doing?
You know, like to go in directly and
tell somebody, no, this is wrong, it would
have been a little more difficult, definitely.
But I think because we had that rapport
with the community, and we bonded on different
levels as well, right.
And then whatever interventions we were doing, they
were saving lives in the community.
So there was a lot of back and
forth between the kind of trust we built
over the years.
And then what happened after that was that
we took to the some of the five
of the schools in the region.
It's a small village.
And we went to five schools in the
area.
And we kind of had conversations about corporal
punishment, right.
And we talked to the teachers about the
kind of impact and the effect that that
has on a student's or a child's mental
health, you know.
And the most famous Bandura bobo doll experiment
tells us that aggressive behavior is internalized, and
then children in turn, manipulate that aggression and,
you know, manifest it in different ways in
their lives.
And that was kind of the thought that
we started with.
And we started the safe school spaces project
in the PIND.
And we kind of did interventions on empathy.
And one of the biggest things we saw
there was, it's not just that there's a
lot of policy that says, okay, you know,
corporal punishment is wrong, it's prohibited, it's banned.
But I feel like the teachers who themselves
have been taught the same way that they
teach now, don't know any other way.
So when you give them the tools, when
you kind of give them access to teaching
strategies that could move away from that, you
know, and they start seeing that, okay, there
is another way to go about it.
And you start telling them from their own
experience that, you know, let's take you back
to when you were a child and you
were hit in school, or you were treated
so badly.
How did that make you feel?
And how do you think that impacts your
life now?
So coming in and telling somebody you're wrong
is something that didn't really either like speak
to us in any way, but I think
it's also not the right approach, right?
Changing mindsets is about introspection.
It's about having them come to a realization
that you facilitate, that perhaps there is another
way to go about it.
And I think one thing that we were
very mindful of was to respect the fact
that there is a certain culture that we
don't want to go in and disrupt and
say, we know better than you.
It was a joint learning.
I learned so much in those training sessions
with those teachers, with community people, part of
it being I've learned so much Punjabi over
the last three years, and my Urdu has
gotten so much better.
But, you know, on a more serious note,
there's a lot of give and take between
the kind of learning we share.
And it's just, it's wonderful, because then you
see that there are initiatives that these people
take.
So for example, after we were done with
the Safe School Spaces trainings, we saw that
new teachers went into the community.
And the Puran teachers, or tutors, they started
sharing all of their learning with those teachers.
And this is what I was talking about
initially, you know, when you empower the community,
and you give them leadership roles, they really
take on that mindset, and they want to
create change as well.
So it's been, I think, humne itna kuch
nahi kiya, in logon nahi zyada kiya, and
it's just been so exciting to watch this
whole thing.
That's, that's, that's so inspirational.
I think the critical point, jo hum log
nahi karte as psychiatrists, or as campaigners for
the cause of mental health, jo aap logon
ne, the way you said, ke wo organic
growth uski hui thi, or before you went
in to teach, aapka ek, aapki presence waha
pe established thi, community leaders saw you, they
interacted with you, they saw what you had
come with, in terms of you were actually
saving lives, wo first aid trainings, wo ambulance
service, all of that, having been, they could
see that, and they could trust you.
And so, wo jo ek alien feeling of
being invaded by people, yeh shayar ke log
aagey hain, apne aapko pata nahi kya samajhte
hain, kapde bhi humare jaisa nahi pehnte, zabaan
bhi humare jaisi nahi bolte, aur yeh, bas
ab hume koi, humari brainwashing karenge, aur hume
koi, ajeeb-ajeeb kisam ki cheezain sikhayenge, you
were able to ensure that you bypassed all
of that, that you did not come across
those obstacles, kyunke aap logon ek trust gain
kiya tha, che yeh toh humein sikhanein hain,
yeh toh humein, wo cheezain jo humare logon
ki zindagiyaan bachaari hain, aur na sirf yeh,
and they didn't seem to see any vested
interests either.
It's not like you were charging them an
arm and a leg, and looking to, you
know, run for political office from that particular
area, that probably came as something very surprising
to them as well, ke yeh log karne
kya aaye hain, and I'm sure that contributed
to the trust, I'm sure that contributed to
the trust.
Faizan, thank you for coming back, I hope
your * image is going to move now.
Okay, as somebody in our comments is suggesting,
there's like a digital jinn that seems to
be taking over, we don't have the technical
exorcism available to us.
Okay, chale, we continue then.
All right, so, Faizan,
we can't hear you, we can't hear you,
there's a scramble, and your image is blurred.
Chale, coming right back to you, Amna, as
I understand it, aap log, okay, now I've
lost both of them, and it just leaves
me here, so I will wait for either
one of them to come back, maybe it's
the internet on my end, but thank you
all for being here, quite a happening episode
already, and Amna is back, you're back, all
right, yes, so, as I understand it, aap
logon ki jo interventions thi, they started happening
as the need was assessed, jaise jaise aapko
laga ki yeh area bhi addressal maangta hai,
is cheez ki bhi kami hai, toh saath
hi saath, you developed the resources, and the
human resource in particular, to be able to
deliver, and the strategy, however, remained the same,
ki humne empower karna hai, humne community ko
saath leke chalna hai, humne unke trust pe
develop karna hai, and so when we have
to leave from here, the community is self
-sufficient in these services.
Right, so somewhat, yes, I think it was
a balance of the two things, we always
had a vision of what areas of interventions
we wanted to do, right, so first aid
being the first and foremost primary thing that
we wanted to achieve, because, you know, it's
something that is relatively simple, not to mitigate
or, you know, tone down the work or
the importance of it, but it's a relatively
easy skill to acquire and learn and administer,
and it's shocking that while it is something
that can be so simple, there are so
many lives that are lost, because of the
fact that people don't have access to the
knowledge, or they don't know what to do
in case of an emergency, right, so that,
I think, going forward was the first thing
that we wanted to do.
It just so happened that our core team
that we started with was a bunch of
teachers, you know, so Sama, the CEO, he
has a degree in teaching from Columbia, Saima
Syed, the head of training, has, you know,
taught for so many years of her life,
and I was just, I had just graduated
and Fizan had been teaching for the past
two years, ever since he had graduated, I
also became a teacher.
So we really wanted to focus on, you
know, the accessibility of first aid.
So people and how we were teaching, right,
we were very mindful of that.
So the course was designed in a way
that anybody, you know, regardless of their level
of literacy could learn first aid.
And then we also had, and in our
courses, during the classes and everything, we were
very mindful of making sure that the course
isn't boring, right.
So one thing that we, we, you know,
sat down and thought, why don't people do
first aid, you know, and it's because it's
a little boring, you go, you sit, and
then we like integrated role play and, and
scenario based learning, and the trainings are crazy.
I really recommend anybody who is listening to
enroll in one of the trainings, it is
one of the most, I mean, it's a
really fun experience.
Whoever wants to enroll in these trainings, they
don't have to go to union councils to
get it, you have something to deliver within
Pindi Islamabad as well.
Yes.
So we, well, right now, because of COVID,
things are a bit, you know, toxic, to
put it lightly.
But we do have sessions that we do
on a rolling basis.
We go directly to organizations and schools, if
they have, you know, our minimum number of
participants who want to take the thing.
If you're in Karachi, if you're in Lahore,
Pindi, you know, anything that's accessible.
I mean, I know, there's a lot of
other places that are accessible.
If you're anywhere where we can reach, just
drop us a message on our Facebook page,
or send us an email, and we can
have that conversation.
We're really like, right now, what we're offering
to schools is, is the first aid training
in collaboration with the mindfulness and empathy training
for the teachers.
Because it's not just the corporal punishment, right?
There's a subsection or an economic divide in
this particular kind of behavior.
But even in private schools, students are stressed,
they are anxious, the teachers don't know how
to help them.
And being a teacher myself, teachers want to
help, right?
They want to know what they could possibly
do to help their students, or what they're
saying, because children are so sensitive now.
And they're also so, so aware of nuances
in communication, in language, and the layers that
an interaction has.
And the mindfulness training is basically just, just
about understanding that the interaction that you have
with your students can no longer be like
a power dynamic that looks like this, right?
There is, you need to connect with your
students, because they need a sense of belonging
as well.
And it's so important for their mental health.
I mean, it's a very fundamental part, which
Maslow pyramid out there.
And so that training really focuses on that.
So it's not just about the PIND.
The PIND work is there in the gaon
and in the rural areas, because we wanted
to bridge that gap of accessibility, right?
I feel like as we were going into
these private schools, and people who can actually
connect with their students, we wanted to bridge
that gap of accessibility, right?
So we wanted to be able to actually
pay for these trainings and receive it and,
and benefit for them.
It was a little unfair that people who
could not afford it, we're not getting it.
So we made sure that that kind of
balances out and we do both things in
parallel.
Okay, okay, great.
So let's come back to how mental health
got added into the mix.
Was that part of the initial vision?
Or you sensed the need for it?
So I think, the initial vision, no.
But I having I had a degree in
psychology, and I was very excited to kind
of do something with it.
And and the clinic and sitting in one
room, talking to somebody somehow didn't appeal to
me.
And then you know, we wondered about what
else we could do.
And yes, the need for it also arose
because we saw that it started off with
the discussion of, you know, how can we
make this more accessible for the students, and
how can we make this more accessible for
the students, and how can we make this
more accessible for the students, and how can
we make this more accessible for the students,
and how can we make this more accessible
for the students, and how can we make
this more accessible for the students, and how
can we make this more accessible for the
students, and how can we make this more
accessible for the students, and how can we
make this more accessible for the students, and
how can we make this more accessible for
the students, and how can we make this
more accessible for the students on inclusion and
differentiated learning.
Which then brought the concept of inclusivity, which
then brought the concept of, you know, integrating
people with other disabilities, integrating people with struggles
who perhaps cannot do everyday normal things like
other people can.
And so we started, you know, seeing how
we could integrate mental health into our overall
work and image, and that tied it into,
you know, the emergency health care intervention, the
first aid intervention.
So right now, we are also working on,
well, you know, it's still in the initial
stages, but we're trying to launch the first
mental health ambulance in Asia and the second
in the world, yes.
And we're going to start off with like
a little more of a pilot in a
more academic manner to kind of see what
we can do.
We want to base it in main Islamabad,
just a small, small prelim study slash intervention
and see what happens.
Because what happens is that our first responders
are not trained in mental health intervention.
You know, if somebody is having a severe
manic episode, a schizophrenic episode, a psychotic break,
if somebody has, you know, tried to commit
suicide, how do you go in and help
those people beyond the physical injuries that they
have on the way to the hospital?
Where do you take them?
You know, are you doing anything to re
-traumatize them?
Are you doing anything to help them or
not?
So those were all conversations that we wanted
to have, you know, if somebody is addicted
to some kind of drugs or, you know,
has problems with addiction of any kind and
they have a relapse and they need to
be taken to a hospital, how do you
encourage them to go rather than stuff them
in an ambulance and take them, you know?
Those are all things that, and there's not
a lot of literature available here that takes
into account the cultural context.
So we're trying to base it on the
model of the mental health ambulance in Sweden.
Yeah, but obviously we want to make it
culturally relevant.
One thing that we've really learned is over
the past three years is that bringing things
from outside does not necessarily work.
So there's like still, we're still in the
planning phases of how this can happen, but
we're really excited about this.
We're trying to get it rolling as soon
as possible as well.
That is wonderful to hear.
Not only is there going to be, there's
teaching, workshops, empowering, all of that going on,
but there's going to be an actual mental
health ambulance.
We know that there's a need.
We know that there is a need and
for sure there is going to be the
response that you're looking for.
That's incredible.
Okay, so again, if we get back to,
there's a question that was popped in.
Why saving nine?
How did that name come about?
It comes from the statement, the phrase, a
stitch in time saves nine.
And so we thought it was great because
it really got the whole ethos of what
we were trying to do, which is early
intervention in an emergency situation.
Okay.
Okay.
Fezzan is here with us and his internet
is working.
And, but actually what happened was that this
lady was the first one to get her
license.
She started off on a really rocky start.
This was her first lesson and she got
spooked, but we really, we told her, you
know, you can do it.
We made it into a thing and that
really encouraged her.
And she was the first one out of
all of them to get her license.
And we were so proud of her.
And, and yeah, so, so it's been, it's
been really fun.
And it's, you know, sometimes it's not just
first day training.
You're also a driving school.
That's incredible.
That is incredible.
I'm very curious to know most of the
team members that you've mentioned, they're non-medical
people.
I want you to read my book.
It says you don't have to be a
doctor to save lives.
There you go.
And actually, cause that comes as, as it's
an inspiration and it's also food for thought.
I mean, the cream of Pakistani schools is
thought to go into medical school.
And a lot of us go into medical
colleges.
But even here, there is so much to
be said.
Medical school and the way we're trained, dealt
with, taught during our house jobs and trainings,
somewhere along the way, we lose that empathy.
Somewhere along the way, there is nothing that
is done about the desensitization that sets in
that this medical community should have taken that
initiative in getting the * out of the
hospitals.
You've turned them into ivory towers.
And here's me having started off looking not
to talk about negative stuff and focusing on
the good that takes place, but I
think
you have a very valid point.
You're right.
But I think it's also somewhat unfair what
you've said, because it's a bigger part of
an institutionalized norm that has been set in
stone.
It's not just their behavior towards the community
in general, but also the community's behavior towards
them.
It's so interlinked and muddled, there's no cause
and effect.
It can't be just that if they do
something, change will come or not.
But I will take up the point that
you said about desensitization and the loss of
empathy.
Being in the profession that they are, one
could understand how that could happen.
But there are steps needed to be taken,
regular reminders, regular professional development, regular trainings that
keep you in touch with that, so to
say, what you were saying, that jazba for
humanity.
And I think with our team as well,
Faizan, you would agree with me, bi-annually
we sit down and we have a conversation
with them, because they see so much trauma
every day.
It is very difficult to day in, day
out, see somebody bleed, see somebody cry, see
somebody scream, and to sort of sit down
with them and check in, like, hey, you've
been exposed to these violent images.
How are you feeling?
Do you need some time off?
You know, so it's that they don't realize
the toll that it does.
And then that reflects as well.
Yeah, so if you want people to care
and show that kind of care, I think
people who are responsible for the medical community
or for people who are seeing so much
death every day, need to be taken care
of as well.
Because these people are fighting the self-preservation.
So I completely understand when something like this
happens.
And this then goes to conversation about a
higher level, where what are they doing to
secure their mental health so that they could
move forward.
But that does not take away as much.
There's a whole lot that goes in.
I'm just kind of sharing what we've learned
over the past three years here.
Yeah.
The on-ground experience is instrumental.
Farhan, if you could share with us, your
interaction with the institutional bodies, the BHUs, the
Union Health Council, how have they contributed or
been an obstacle, I don't know, in the
path of whatever it is that you're looking
to develop in those particular communities?
So with regards to the latter, the Union
Health Council has been quite supportive.
The president over there, in conjunction with us,
was the Yehudi Sadash I was talking about,
because the guy himself is quite progressive.
He has spent most of his life in
France and he just came back a few
years ago.
And he's been on developing that place in
terms of infrastructure, in terms of basic medical
and health facilities, schools and everything.
And he campaigns throughout.
And his name is Raja Kassar Ghaffar.
And I am very lucky to have met
someone like him, because there are not many
other Union Council presidents like him.
So we struck gold when we met him.
And when it comes to the BHU, I
think that they were quite unsupportive and we
had to literally carve out our niche over
there.
We had to beg pretty much for a
room over there because the doctor wasn't coming
over there.
There were spider webs filled within the dorms
of that doctor over there.
It was empty for the longest time.
And it was very hard, but we eventually,
through the Union Council president, were able to
get one room, which we then rebranded, painted,
and just tried to make it a center
of learning and compassion as well.
One of the EMPs says, they send us
videos of gardening in that particular area when
we were over there.
Now we shifted to hospitals.
But they used to be gardening.
And I often asked him, Arshad bhai, why
are you doing this?
There is no other work.
So he said, we are planting fruits so
that other people can come and take shade.
And that just really caught me.
They somehow managed to infuse this medical training,
like the scientific medical training, with their personal
community ethos.
And that sense of ownership was just so
reverberating through them.
It's pretty clear because they respond, whether they're
sleeping, it's just amazing how they do it.
And they do it, and they are always
that voice.
I have not seen a single death within
the ambulance.
We've heard about deaths outside the ambulance.
They left them in the hospital.
But there's some divine force guiding them.
Because these people are not literate.
But the scenarios that they've been through, I
mean, Osama, Amna, Saima, all of these people
were the trainers.
And they repetitively put them through these regimented
scenarios in which something could be slightly different,
just to help them to learn to improvise.
So that really is something that I think
they have owned up to and they're confident
about.
And they are now teaching, like the workshop
I just told you, we are expanding in
that sense.
So it's like full circle.
It's great.
And it's great to witness that.
The example you gave of the fruit planting,
the gardening that they're doing, and I think
it really says, it's symbolic of what you've
been able to develop.
When you take goodness from yourself, not with
an aim to supplant or replace or dictate,
but with a genuine intent to build a
community and to relate, then you're able to
attract towards the best that that community has
to offer as well.
The people themselves, regardless of their level of
literacy, then they're able to share their wisdom
and bring that into that beautiful relationship as
well.
And we see literally fruits of those trees.
Okay.
So very quickly, before we close, Faizan, do
you remember that share?
Yeah.
It says, I've
ruined it.
I'm so sorry.
I can't get the words.
Okay, Faizan's happening again.
Yeah, I think Faizan's internet is not working.
Chale, that's okay.
Okay.
Chale, it was fun having you as long
as you could be here with us, Faizan.
We're going to have to ask you to
thank you for being here, for sparing your
time with us and sharing what you're doing
with us.
Amna, very quickly, there's people watching and there
will be people hopefully watching the recording as
well.
They want to know how they can benefit
from what you have to offer and how
they can contribute to whatever it is that
you're doing.
How do they do that and what can
they do?
Okay.
So the benefit you can take away from
here is by investing in the trainings.
Not to sound like, oh, our training is
amazing, but our training is amazing.
And the added bonus is that you kind
of learn how to save lives.
You understand what to do in case of
an emergency.
All of those things are included in this.
And then, I mean, mental health is a
really important conversation and our first aid course
also has the psychological first aid intervention aspect
to it as well.
It has methods of communicating with other people
that center around kindness and empathy, which are
so important.
So please do enroll in the course.
You will be benefiting yourself and everybody around
you.
And if you do want to play a
role in building Masiha Ambulance up, if you
go on our website, you can donate to
the ambulance.
We also have a Zakat fund for people
who cannot afford the services of the ambulance
and utilize it.
The charges of the ambulance are completely waivered
off for them.
And you might be helping someone by doing
that.
So please do donate if you can.
And if you want to get involved, if
you want to work, if you want an
internship at the BHU, work at the ambulance
with us, especially for students, we really offer
this.
It really works as community service hours.
It's great for character building.
So if any parents are listening, you want
your children to come in and interact with
us, with the EMPs, learn about culture in
a different context, please get in touch.
It would be great to have you and
work with us.
Thank you.
Thank you so much, Amina, for sharing all
of that.
All of you listening, all of these wonderful
trainings that you have at your disposal, really,
to benefit from and then a wonderful cause
to donate for.
Before I forget, the reason why Saving Nine
and Delhi Psychiatry met in the first place,
something that we're going to be, we're very
excited about, signing an MOU, a Memorandum of
Understanding with Saving Nine, in order to further
our services in mental health profession for, Faizan
was sharing earlier, Amina se bhi amari baat
hui thi ke there are a lot of
emergencies, poisoning se related, self-harm, attempted suicide
se related, which do need a follow-up.
They need psychiatric help.
They need psychological help.
So whatever we can offer from the platform
of Delhi Psychiatry Pakistan, we would be looking
to develop this collaboration as well.
And to end with the share that Faizan
was alluding towards, that Amina was talking about
from Mian Muhammad Baksh, not that I remember
it off the top of my head, but
Kuratulain was kind enough to share it in
the comments.
So I'm just going to read it off
and sound very poetic.
Thank you, Amina.
Thank you, Faizan, for being with us.
We will continue to try to support you
as much as we can.
Thank you for your support, for our cause,
for whatever it is that we're doing, for
coming to Psych Baitak, and really honoring our
show.
Thank you all for your comments, for your
questions, for your participation.
We will see you next week on Psych
Baitak as well.