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Yasir Qadhi

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The Story of Adam (#20) Sheth and Idrs

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are set up Alikum warahmatu Allahi wa barakato Al hamdu Lillahi wa wa Salatu was Salam ala Mala, the VI M about brothers and sisters, it's been a very very long hiatus from our series, the stories of the prophets. And I know there has been a lot of requests and demand. And so at hamdulillah Bismillah, in the name of Allah with the help of ALLAH asking you the blessings of Allah. Let us resume this series. And for a quick recap, I have spent a considerable amount of time talking about the benefits from the story of our father, Adam, and some of the questions and issues that arise from that. And as you have seen in that series, I am following a methodology that is perhaps

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somewhat different than many others who speak of these stories. And I am separating what our actual tradition says meaning the Quran and Sunnah should say, what are actually what he says, from what later scholars might have derived from what archaeologists might say, and raising issues that

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we a person of our times is going to be questioning and wondering about. And there is no doubt that when a person does this, and does things that people are not accustomed to especially someone the scholarly class, there's no doubt that there's going to be objections raised people will be,

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you know, somewhat disturbed some of them. And so be it, I have presented my evidences, I do not claim that they are 100% Correct. I have given my opinions and I leave it to Allah subhana wa Tada to judge every word for the sincerity and then after that to the erudite scholars to correct or to accept as they see fit. If there's any benefit of this from ALLAH, if there's any mistakes, it is from myself and from che THON. And I say all of this because we now begin our second part after doing the story of Adam, and, frankly, I'm not going to be regurgitating what is found in most of the books that talk about Casasola, Ambia, or the Stories of the Prophets. If you listen to the vast

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majority of preachers and teachers, they will be more than happy to tell you what is found in good books, nothing wrong with reading the books, even Cathars, you know, kosamba, for example, which is basically a selection of his study or authority in his study. But I mean, as I have explained in the past, I'll tell buddy, and even cathedral with utmost love and respect to them, they're basically taking this information and knowledge from Judeo Christian sources. And those Judeo Christian sources really are not frankly worth any academic merit. I mean, again, being brutally honest here because we have to understand what Allah revealed to the Prophet Musa alayhis, salam, and all of the

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prophets, the the methodology of Allah azza wa jal and revealing sunnah to Allah, the Sunnah of Allah azza wa jal look at our Quran. The stories that are mentioned are meant for moral reflection. It is not the Sunnah of Allah to give Junior genealogical tables, 20 pages long, for example, that are found in the older New Testament, and to give every single detail the way your chronology or history was written. This is the methodology of mankind, where we go into all of these details and reboard the readers and whatnot. So the question arises, that from where did the ancient rabbis and the children of Israel themselves get this information? And the response to this is we do not know

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and we shall never know perhaps some of it perhaps some of it comes from the Prophet Musa, they said, I'm telling them various things, but the bulk of it really, it's basically a type of mythology. And all you need to do is to look at the creation story in Genesis to look at various things that we know factually to be untrue the six days and you know, God created this and then this and then this and whatnot. We know these to be frankly not actually academically correct. We thank Allah Our Quran doesn't have any problems like this at all. We thank Allah for that. So if we know for a fact then that the Judeo Christian chronology of events doesn't really bear a lot of academic

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merit. Well then, even if we narrate it as I will, because you should know that they say that we're simply narrating it so that you're aware this is what they say. And this is what is found in their books and this is what even Kathy are talking about.

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He took you should be aware but for me as a person you know living in this time and place with the knowledge that we have to actually believe in this type of genealogy or in this type of history that's not i Allah didn't tell us this the Prophet system did not tell us this yes if Allah says so in the Quran no doubt we accept if the process um says so he's speaking from anywhere lame. But if we find it in, you know, tuxedo, Teddy hottie if we find it from cabinet bar, from even a tavern, or even a Sahara, because as we said, even Ibis another really early Allahu anhu, it was common for them to narrate from Australia, and they didn't find an issue with this. And there is no theological

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harm, there's no sin, but at the same time, it's not a fact. And when we know in our times, that much of this is simply not true. So we have to have this kernel there. I say all of this introduction because today's to interesting figures. Fact of the matter is, we hardly know anything about them from the actual ye of Allah and the Sunnah of the messenger sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, what we do know is what people 10s of 1000s of years later have said, so I'm going to narrate this, but realize in the end of the day, it's what they have said and there is no verification frankly, much of it simply does not add up, but it is what it is. So we'll begin with the first person we

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will discuss and that is the person by the name of sheath or an English and Latin Seth sheath. Now, she is allegedly the younger son of Adam it his Salem, Oregon COVID, and hobbies or hobbies and hobbies are the older sons, and according to again, legend, there was the third son sheet. Now according to some versions of Judeo Christian sources, Adam and how we're only have three sons, not many, many sons. This is one version of events. And so she was the younger son now we know from the Quran already mentioned the story of Hobbit and Javi. And so she is their younger brother that comes into the picture. Is he mentioned in our sources Well, the Quran does not give any indication of

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sheath not directly, not indirectly. And as for the Sunnah, the name of sheath is not found in any of the classical 10 collections of Hadith. The six along with Mussolini by Muhammad, along with them Lachlan, other the flow of the classical tenor, you call them that he's not found in any of those. However, his name does occur in the Muslim inhibin and authorities al COVID, and others. So it does, it is found in what we call the tertiary sources, not the primary Hadith, not the secondary, the tertiary sources of Hadith. And the hadith is a very, very long one. So I actually brought the Hadith so that we can benefit a little bit from it, and then we'll discuss its authenticity. The

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book I have in my hand is the famous book of Ibn Hibben which has been restructured and reordered by the famous Hadith called even be banned because even hips, forget Duncan canoes, even headband and even Billy band they sound similar, but they're two very different people, even headband wrote his book and arranged it in a very, very, very obscure and difficult manner, your mind will go in loops trying to understand his arrangement. And so even Billy band comes along few centuries later, and rearranges even a band in a way that it's user friendly, we can understand and read it. So, the way that a bit headband has been printed is according to the arrangement of Ibn Villeurbanne. So in this

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arrangement or the restructuring, in volume, two page 376 Hadith number 361. There is a Hadith with a long chain because again, even headband is in the fourth century way after Bahati almost 200 years after 180 years after Behati. So even headband has a long chain back to avoid resell Hawala money from Abu Bakr Al Rifai with a fiery who says, I entered the masjid of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, and he was sitting by himself. That Hadith goes on and on it is literally 12345666 pages completely of text. So it's one of those Hadith that frankly, most scholars of Hadith automatically know one of the signs of a week of robotic hadith is pages and pages of text, nobody can memorize,

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you know, an entire 510 paragraphs simply from memory, when you find the Hadith that is just long pages of texts, generally something is you know, not right with it. And this is one of those. So this is long, Hadith. We went over it, by the way, right at the beginning of our lecture series, because it is this hadith in which the Prophet system was asked ya rasool Allah, how many MBR so the person said, 124,000 Then he said the arrow Sutala how many Rowsell and the President said 310 and something a large quantity. Then he said, Yeah, rasool Allah Who was the first of them. So the President said Adam

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Then, without said, the rasool Allah was he a Nabi whom Allah sent. So the process of allegedly responded yes, Allah created him with his hand and blew his room into him and spoke to him directly. Then the prophets Assam allegedly says, oh, Abu Zahra. Four of them were a Syriac four of them were a Syrian, ethnically a Syrian, so a Syrian Yun, a Syrians. It's an ethnicity and it is an ancient civilization. Four of them were a Syrian, Adam, and Schiff. And no, and that is Idris and he was the first who wrote with a pen and nor So according to this hadith for prophets were a Syrian or Syriac Adam and she, that's the only time his name is mentioned in Hadith and a flu. And he is Idris

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memorize this phrase, it is directly in the hadith of no Wahoo or Idris. So it is a no and at least was the first to write with a pen in this hadith. And no, then he said for from the Arabs or a Buddha who would ensure if and solid and your Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Allah he was sending them then Abu Dhabi said, O Messenger of Allah, how many books did Allah reveal the process of allegedly said 100 books, four of them were larger books. Media to Kitab waterbar to Kudo is

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wounded Allah sheath come soon as Sahifa sheath was given 50 Sahifa scrolls, so again, we have sheet over here, and a flow who was given 30 Sahifa. And Ibrahim was given 10 Sahifa. And more so was given before the Turon Torah 10 Sahifa. And then Allah revealed the Torah and in June and Xboard, and Quran, these are the four that are couteau right? So how many books did Allah reveal 100 books, four of them are really significant books. And then the process of mentions these five here, four here, 10 here, 10 here and have them it says that she got 50 ciphers, 50 ciphers, like a huge quantity we're gonna get to she gets 30 and then on and on. And then the Hadith goes on and on. But

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that's not relevant to us in this particular lecture series. Now, this is the only time that she is mentioned in an alleged Hadith as I went over way when I started the story of it. So we went over this hadith for the number of Prophets, this hadith is not just weak, it is very, very weak. And honestly, the signs of it not being authentic are beginning to end of them, like I said, is the length, and of them is this extreme amount of minut detail that again, would be bizarre to find, and of them, frankly, even the history mentioned in it. So to claim that Adam, the first A man is a Syrian just doesn't make any sense. The Assyrian civilization, indeed it is one of the most ancient,

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and perhaps the people at that timeframe would have thought that it is the most ancient civilization. But we know for a fact that the Assyrians weren't the first of mankind, the Assyrians lived 2000 BC 3000 BC at max right before them there were plenty of humans and plenty of people around there. The Assyrians are a developed civilization there were human beings before them, how can add them be a Syriac? How can add them be a later ethnicity? It does not make any sense. In fact, how can Adam be any civilization He's the founder of all civilization. So to claim that Adam is a Syriac, it shows us that this is not coming from the ye from a source that is 100% authentic.

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These are the standard folklores and legends that permeate you know, for the first 300 years and then sometimes, you know, accidentally that's what I've Hadith and what a weak Hadith and what a forge fabricated Hadith indicates, because when we say the hadith is fabricated, or very, very weak, essentially what we're saying is that in all likelihood, somebody is saying this and then a mistake occurs and somebody back projects it to the mouth of the prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam. So, we say then, that there is no authentic mention of Chief Seth in the Quran and the Sunnah, but because he occurs in a life, Hadith, very life Hadith. Let's just mention very quickly about some of the

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things that are mentioned in the folkloric tradition as for the Quran, as soon as we said, authentic sunnah has nothing about sheep. Now what is mentioned in the books of Tafseer then because now we have this

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alleged Hadith mentioned here, so automatically is going to bring about some discussions and some references from the Sahaba and Debbie

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rune and so we have for example a Tabari mentioned a number of things about sheath both in his seat and in his study.

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So uh, poverty

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has a a statement attributed even Abbas, in which he said that when Adam Alayhis Salam died, she said to God, that Oh God, pray the solid over Adam. And Gibreel said to sheep, actually you pray over your own father. And then he taught sheep how to pray. So that'll janazah. And he said, say that it could be 30 times, five of them is how you're supposed to pray salatu janazah and the rest of the 25 is a blessing and a cream and an honor for the Prophet Adam. So this is again, one of those traditions we find. And again, I mean, as we are, as I have said before, a lot of these types of legends and stories, they are apocryphal in nature, and we simply narrate them and leave it as it

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is. And there are also other famous storytellers in our tradition, the most famous early storyteller, perhaps I didn't mention his name in the in the previous sections, I've done that, if I haven't, then we can introduce him now. And that is the famous storyteller. That who was perhaps the first very famous carved a niche for himself, a sauce or the storyteller, and he is Wahab who would tell these legendary stories and was recorded by and large. And His stories were actually compiled into a book, by and large, this person will have is not considered to be an authority in any sense of the term. And in fact, he's not even considered to be a scholar. But because he happened to be

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the first at the right time in the right place, all that he said, took on a certain weight, and it trickled down into quite mainstream sources, including poverty, including urban kotoba, and others who mentioned these types of legends and stories. So once again, in today's lecture, I'm simply telling you what others said. And in our actual analysis, all of this is simply tails, you should simply be aware for general information sake. So what he says and this phrase of his ends up in poverty and even Kotova, and others will have says that she the son of Adam, was the most handsome of all the children of Adam, and the best of the children of Adam, and the one who resembled Adam

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the most and the one whom Adam loved the most. And he was the one whom Adam handed the legacy the torch was passed down to him, he was the one who took charge after Adam, and he is the father of all other children of Adam. After Adams generation, everybody goes through sheet the other two sons did not have sons that lasted on for many generations, according to what hap that all of the children of Adam and our times are descendants of sheep. And according to what Herb sheath was the one who first built the kava, with brick and clay, and Allah sent upon sheath 50 ciphers. Now, that phrase is found in that weak Hadith, which shows you that there was this notion from back in the day, that

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sheath was inspired with the first book to be sent down, and that is 50 ciphers. And she lived for 912 years. And she gave birth to Anoosh. And many other children and Anoosh had a son called T Nan. And Elena had a son called Mahala Yean. And Mahala II had a son called yarded. And yarded had a son called New and that is a disease. And then it Reese had a son and a son, a son and the note so this is a standard biblical lineage. By the way, what do you think is the herbicides names that are found in the Bible according to the Bible? Or who are these becomes the Seventh Son of Adam and Noah becomes the 10th, son of Adam. There is an even more fanciful tale that honestly I'm I'm not even

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going to go into the details because it is so bizarre, but I'm simply saying it because it is found and provocative inside. And it is found in other source books that are overall reputable, but again, what do we say the reputable the reputable when they talk about their domain insights, the pot is meant to discuss the Sahaba tab or whatever tab your own when you find information in that generation take it but inside also has a discussion of the previous owners and nations so does authority so when a poverty and had been sad are talking about what they've I witnessed or what happened in the generation right before them or what not then yes, that's definitely very, very

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weighty. But when a poverty tells you what allegedly happened 100,000 years ago, because again, we talked about, you know, Adam and whatnot, when did they live and Allah knows best when they lived but it might have been 100,000 years ago. So when a tombery mentions the stories of seeth chef

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Hi, Seth is the English and chief is the Arabic one. When one property mentions their stories, we take it with a grain of salt. But nonetheless, we find the story in Aqaba kata and others in which again, allegedly, that Adam told sheath on his deathbed, that make sure your sons do not marry the daughters of Rb of Cain, because Keynes family is all a straight. So your son should not marry the daughters of Rb. And so she took his sons and lived away from the daughters and their children after them. And so, after a generation or 100 years or whatever, again, all of this you can just listen to it. And you know, this is mythology. These are the tales of the ancients that people used to say

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back then, their mentalities were different and they, they had no problems believing in these tales in our times, it lists literally like a tale out of a children's book, and we know these types of things didn't actually happen. So the children of you know, the children of sheath apparently lived on the mountains and rich and the daughters of Rb lived on the shores. And one day the children of sheath, the sons of seeth sheath came down and saw the beautiful daughters and they were enticed, and they were commanded or they were seduced to commit Zina. And so Zina became common and then Chara will hammer became common and alcohol became common. And so you know, Allah azza wa jal then

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sent in the next few generations, the prophet Nurhaliza Salam, again, all of these, as they said, which you should simply be aware, and there is no actual shred of evidence for any of this actually taking place. An interesting side note is that because sheath is mentioned in this regard, and because it is said that 50, sort of 450 Sahifa scrolls came down, she is given a very high status in some of the most exotic and ancient and esoteric faith traditions of our times, in particular, the man the Ian's and the Yazidis, both demanda Ian's and the Yazidis consider sheath to be a very seminal figure in their religion. So just a very interesting anecdote or interesting tidbit. For

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some of you who might not know who they are, the Mandaeans are one of the smallest religions in the world today. And they are one of the most ancient religions and they're one of the most secretive religions. And it is rare to come across any of them in fact, and I am who I am, I have yet to actually physically meet a man that you and I travel and I meet with people of all faiths and whatnot. I've never actually to this day physically met Mandy Of course if I really wanted to, I could go out in but in my day to day life that I travel and whatnot, not one, there are probably less than 60,000 left in the world today. And they go back pre Christianity they go back to Allah

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knows when how many millennia they go back to and they are the ones who have the Quran references was saw the guna when they saw the saw, they own the Sabians. The saw the own, these are in our times called the Manda. Ian's they what they call themselves and what the people call them. What the academic literature calls them is Mandy Ian's and the Mandaeans are a Gnostic faith. Gnosticism is a whole different trend. They have their own beliefs about soul and the tension between this world and the Hereafter. And this element of dualism, which is common throughout all of Gnosticism. But the Mandaeans, clearly, in my opinion, and I've only studied them, you know, a little bit. In my humble

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opinion, I think it is obvious that the Mandaeans do go back to some prophetic revelation to some basis of the Shediac. They have clear Tawheed belief in one God, they have a clear understanding of the hereafter and the soul being immortal, and Heaven and Hell, they believe in prophets. And in fact, the main Prophet they revere is Yeah, John the Baptist, believe it or not, and I believe that sheath taught John the Baptist and that she is the mentor of John the Baptist. And they call him Szeto Szeto. They call sheath Sheetal. And they consider him to be the son of Adam, who became the mentor of John the Baptist. By the way the manda Ian's they pray regularly three or five times a

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day, some say seven times a day. And they have very strict rules of doing hustle from Geneva they have to bathe regularly, and the water has to be running. So Mandy Ian's are found by the way I forgot to mention they're found in Iraq. They are Iraqis. Historically, an area of Iraq where the man to eons of recent there has been a migration to some European lands, but still, the majority of them are in Iraq. And they are a group that prays that fasts, they have a system of fasting. They do also they wash themselves before they pray. They're very strict on purity and cleanliness and they have versions of the Sharia and athletes that we would recognize and our classical scholars, many of

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them consider them to be a part

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Part of the allocate tab. And I also consider this to be the case that we should treat them the way that they are allocated or treated in our Sharia because of their beliefs and their theology. So this is the mandate. Yes. Interestingly enough, they are people who revere sheath immensely in their tradition, by the way, so there's levels amongst them and their priestly classes, a very elitist class.

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And you must be initiated. So their secret to religion, they're not supposed to tell you too much. They don't accept converts at all. You cannot convert to man to any man the en ism. And what else about them? Yeah, so apparently, there's only 20 of their priests left alive to date. They're very small group as it is, and very few are chosen to be priests. So there are a dwindling civilization. Interesting tidbit of history. But anyway, they are people who revere chi, that's why the name came up. Also, the Yazidis are perhaps one of the most, from our perspectives. Very interesting. And, of course, theologically very bizarre. And I don't mean this, I mean, just think theologically, they're

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very interesting group was let me put it that way. They have come into the news because of ISIS and the massacres against them and the taking of their women and whatnot. And obviously, these are travesties that we don't support, that should not be done. But that's why they have come into the news that you see these they also go back a long time they are a syncretic faith, what is syncretic faith, a syncretic faith is a faith that has taken from two or three and then merged it to produce a new faith tradition. There is either these are not Muslim, they don't consider themselves Muslim, but they have Islamic terminologies and motifs, but they are not Muslim. And they go back to a very

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ancient religion. When Islam came to that region of Iraq, at some point in time, this religion, adopted elements of Islam, but still retained elements of Islam, meaning the name Allah and whatnot is found. And you know, they have their own terminology shape on and whatnot. And so they have their terminologies. But in reality, their faith tradition goes back to not even drawstring ism, the precursor to Zoroastrianism, so that we Zoroastrian ism came from, there were a group of people that were still upon that old school religion. And at some point in time shahadi, a Muslim theologian came to them, tried to teach them to hate try to preach them, they respected him, they admired him.

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But after he passed away, they took some of his true teachings of Islam. And they retained their original and they kind of sort of brought forth what is now called ESP DISM. And there's a lot of misunderstanding with regards to who they are, what they are, the common perception, they are called the devil worshipers. But that's a common misconception. They don't actually technically worship the devil, but they have a bizarre mythology in which a bliss becomes a venerated figure. And because of this, these types of these types of things have gone. Why are we talking about him today, right now? Well, once again, because she becomes one of the main personas of the end the tradition as well, and

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he becomes the keeper of secrets, etc, etc. Now, from our perspective, from my perspective, as somebody who studies history and and and academics and intellectual history, I think it is obvious to me that sheath if he existed, because we really don't know if he did exist if he existed, he becomes the type of figure that these movements conveniently find an excuse to tack on their beliefs and religions too, right? So he actually becomes a mythical figure, even if he existed, the persona that he actually was is completely irrelevant. Now. He'd becomes the secret figure who was given so much alleged alleged knowledge even in his life, Hadith, 50 scriptures given to him and 10 given to

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some other prophets think about that. So even from that time, you have this notion, which is again, not from the grace of the hadith is very weak. It's not the process of saying this, but the notion that he has a lot of knowledge and he becomes a hidden and mystical figure. And so that's why these groups like the Manta, Ian's or the Yazidis or whatnot, they link and latch on to the persona of a sheath. And apparently, apparently, some of these movements claim that they actually have the teachings of sheath in book form. Now, again, these are both Yeezys and the Mandaeans are extremely secretive. And we do not have access to their entire books to this day, they do not publish them,

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they don't You don't walk into a store and buy them. So there is the legend or the claim that they have preserved the original teachings of sheet. Obviously from our perspective, that is simply not possible. They might have had some things from a previous prophets and whatnot that have been corrupted over time. We don't believe any book has been preserved other than the Quran in any case, that is what we have to say about the Prophet sheet. I will quickly move on to another prophet whom we have just a little bit more information about the

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basically that is it and that is it. Is it his Salam Idris Ali Salam. Now the Prophet Idris, unlike Shiite is mentioned in the Quran and mentioned twice and both of these are mentioned in passing. We do not have any incident or story of Idris in the Quran whatsoever. But we do have two references the first Subramania verse 56 was goldfill kitab Idris in the whole kind of so they are Nebia WaterFire. Now who McCann and ideia mentioned in the book Idris mentioned the name of Idris in the book.

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He was a righteous person and he was a Nebby and we raised him to a high place now Sudha Meriam Subramanyam mentioned many prophets it begins with mentioning Zakariya moves on Teresa and Meriam her his mother, then it goes back to Ibrahim chronologically, then mentioned is how often Jacobian passing in one verse then jumps forward to Musa alayhis salam, who is of course in between Abraham and Teresa then briefly mentions how rune then goes back to his summary. And then the very last Prophet mentioned in suit, Imodium is Idris what could have three Kitab ETDs. So Idris is mentioned in a longer in a chapter in a surah that mentions all of these other prophets and the surah does not

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grow and crop chronological order. It's important to mention this, because the rest comes at the end, even though the claim is that he's at the beginning chronologically, that that would match the style of the suit. If that were the case. The second time that it receives mentioned, is sort of the MBR verse 85. And once again, this is just in passing just a list. Allah mentions sort of MBA I mentioned lots of profits, that's why it's called the surah of profits. And Allah says that what is smart either what it is whether Keithley Kulu may not solve it in Word Hana houfy, Rama Tina and his smile and Idris and dutiful, all of them were from the patient people, and we included all of them

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in our merci. So once again, in passing by the way, it is interesting to note that Idris is mentioned after is smart enough, both in surah. Mme and inserted MBR why this is the case I do not know. But there does seem to be an intentional reason why is my email is mentioned in both times this is only mentioned twice, and both of these times it is right after the name of is married. In surah. Maryam is made is mentioned. And then the next verse mentioned Idris and is Surah Ambia. The same verse. What is SMA ILA? What is it isa? Well Cuffley is married and it is and it will give it all over from the patient. So this is what the Quran says. Now, here we have a Quranic one phrase,

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what are fina Homer can and i Li, we raised the DS to a very high MACOM McCann, we raised him to a very high level. What does this mean? Well, if we turn to the tafsir literature, once again, we find a whole bunch of stories, a whole bunch of interesting anecdotes, some of which are clearly coming out of the Judeo Christian sources. So for example, one of them perhaps the most famous one is once again from the infamous Cabot ball. Remember we talked about cab so many times, cab happens to be a Jewish rabbi who converted to Islam at the right time in place his father, his grandfather, rabbis, he is coming from an island class he is he is a very knowledgeable rabbi. As a young man, he

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converts to Islam and he interacts with the first generation of Sahaba. Ie he misses the Prophet says me doesn't he's not a Sahabi. So he interacts with Ramadan Natale Allah when he accompanies him to the conquest of Jerusalem, and he is a senior person of knowledge in the first generation. And so there is no denying that he was given a certain status and respect. And again, go back to what Amon Khaldoon said that the people have that time in place. They viewed the Judeo Christian civilization with a type of all and a type of respect. And they took what they would say with a certain weight that they consider to be inherently better than paganism which of course it was. And so because of

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this, much of what God said, went unchallenged, and some of it was absorbed by people whom we respect from our tradition as well. And everybody knows this every student's knowledge and Adam knows this that some of the early to have your own and even Sahaba, they took from Cavalia bar. And that's not a problem. As I said, it's not a sin to do so. But now that we're looking back at the literature, we have to just say, well, this is not necessarily authentic, it is something from God. So what did God say about this? Well listen to this tale. And again

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Somebody can say,

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how do we know it didn't happen to which I respond? We do not know it didn't happen. But the question is, which one is more likely of the two that Gabi is simply narrating from the Israeli yard? Or that this is something that actually happened, you know, seven 8000 or 10,000 years ago whenever it is lived. So what is the story, the story goes as follows. And again, by the way, even the story itself does not make sense logically or from an academic standpoint. But again, Allah knows best. The The story goes as follows that it is allegedly, the prophet that is, wanted to renegotiate his time of death with the Angel of Death. Pause here, right there. This makes no sense.

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No prophet of Allah would renegotiate the time of death. With the Angel of Death, the Angel of Death doesn't control death. It doesn't make any sense anyway, what the report says, so it is wanted to renegotiate his time over that he wanted to live longer, so that you can do better deeds and whatnot. So he convinced an angel to take him up to the heavens, to talk to the Angel of Death. Again, pause here. Angels don't the Quran tells us we don't do anything except if Allah allows us we cannot just do anything like this. So again, theologically the story, honestly, frankly, we should just reject it, but that it is founded the syllable but it is found in mainstream collections, it is

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what it is. So apparently, it is rides on the back of an angel. And the angel is fluttering upwards, taking him up into the heavens. And as he's going upwards in the fourth heavens, lo and behold, who should they see? Other than the Angel of Death coming down? And so the Angel of Death sees this angel coming up with a man on his back goes, Hey, whoa, what you don't hear what's going on? Tell me. And the angel of this angel says, Oh, I'm just taking this up, you know, to meet you, actually, what are you doing here? Right. So and the Angel of Death says, of course, that's not the actual wording. You can tell. I'm being facetious because I don't believe this actually happened. So the

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angel of death then says to this angel, who's on your back, and the angel says Idris, and the Angel of Death allegedly says, Oh, my God, how crazy is this? I was told by Allah to take the Reese's soul in the fourth heavens. And I was thinking, how could I take his soul in the fourth heavens when he's on Earth? And actually, he's over here. And so apparently, the soul was taken in the fourth heaven. And this is what Allah says, what a foreigner who mccannon idea. And we raised him to a high Macan, meaning he was in the fourth heavens, and then he died up over there, even had your comments. And it was what we expect him to comment that the fact that this was raised up as when he was alive, this

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is not mentioned in any authentic report that we should rely upon. This is exactly what we believe is not mentioned anything like this.

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Another interpretation, again, coming from the tab your own so again, we don't have to take it Mujahid who has some very interesting views, both about Jesus and others. Mujahid said that Idris was raised up alive to Jana, just like Isa was raised up alive to gender. So that is an opinion of who died. That Mujahid said that Idris was also alive, and he was raised up to Jana. Well, then if he's alive, is he still alive? Did he die in Jana? What's gonna happen again, silence here. And again, we have to understand that it's understood in early development of ideas, you're going to find these strange opinions. So he has an opinion in which it doesn't have to mean much. It's

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something that he believed or felt or whatever it is what it is. So a yet another opinion is that he was raised up and died in the sixth heaven and whatnot. Now, the majority opinion of our scholars is that Idris was the first prophet after sheath

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and that Idris is the same as a no or in English and Ark or Enoch. The Bible has Enoch, right, E and O ch. And in Arabic, no. And so the majority opinion is that it is is a canoe,

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and that Idris is a title, and a group is the name. And even one of the scholars of the past that Idris is called Idris, because he was the first to really teach Ghana, uterus, the rasa so it becomes Idris, and once again, with utmost love and respect to our scholarly tradition. When you read in verbs, and nouns that are Arabic into ancient names, you know something isn't fully academic, because the Arabic language is a developed language. It's existed for a period of time and it still exists. It did not exist since the beginning of time. We've talked about this when I talked about the language is rather muddy. So we know for a fact that people did not speak what we would

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recognize as Arabic 200 ce 100 c, they spoke proto Arabic, they spoke a version which is you know, not recognizable to us.

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but it will eventually become Arabic because Allah revealed the Quran, we now have Alhamdulillah by and large, classical Arabic preserved. But otherwise, you know, to say that Idris or other whatnot spoke Arabic, it does not make any sense, as we said, and I went over this in my previous lectures here. So the first opinion, as I said, is that this is none other than a canoe or Enoch. Now those who say that it is is a no or Enoch, then it would make sense for me to mention him now. First there was Adam, then allegedly sheath and then it is and then Noah will come, according to the Bible. Enoch is the great grandfather of no way, you know, Enoch is the great grandfather of Norse of the

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Grandfather's father, and therefore, he would be the seventh descendant of Adam, and therefore three names above, nor nor the son of so and so so and so says enough, you know, and this opinion is supported by the week narration I just quoted you from within headband. Remember, I said, Remember the narration, know who it is. Remember I said that, that is found in this week report, I know who it is. And this is the position of authority, and we've been cathedra. And they've been sad, and have quite a number of early authors that Idris is none other than a no. And this would fit perfectly with what the Old Testament says, and the biblical references to Enoch. In Genesis,

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chapter five, verse 24, the verse the Bible says, Enoch walked faithfully with God, then He was no more because God took him away. What a final mccannon idea. And in Hebrews, chapter 11, verse five, by faith, Enoch was taken away from this life, so that he did not experience death, he could not be found, because God had taken him away. For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God. So this motif or notion of Enoch, being taken away being raised up, it seems, what a fan of America and an idea, and from this as well. And we find to this day in Jewish folkloric tales, the Midrashim, and others that are basically, even the Jewish people have what they consider the actual

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revelation. And then they have their version of Israel yet pun intended here, their version of folklore and tales and whatnot. And these are the commentaries that are found of the of the Old Testament of the, the, the ancient books, The Five Books depend to talk. And in these Midrashim, in these legends, one finds very similar to what we find in cab, that Enoch was taken up to heaven and appointed the guardian of the heavenly treasures, and taught all the secrets and mysteries, and so on, and so forth. So the stories of Cab, we actually are able to find equivalents in the Jewish texts. And if anything, it shows us that gab was a Jewish rabbi, and he's taking from the knowledge

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he has, and frankly, sometimes you find them to be very similar, and sometimes you find them to be not that similar, and what the shows because scab is coming from a Yemeni tradition of Judaism, right. So gab is a Yemeni Jew. And most of these books that we have are Babylonia, and other places. So even those two sources not being exactly the same makes sense because we don't expect the Yemeni strand of Judaism to be exactly the same as the Babylonian where they are off the strand. Interesting point here, Enoch, allegedly wrote a book that is ascribed to him by a sect of Judaism called the Essenes. And you've all heard of the Dead Sea Scrolls and the discovery. So the Dead Sea

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Scrolls has a book allegedly written by Enoch, it is called the Book of Idris, the Book of Enoch, the Book of Enoch, and it is actually found and whatnot. And of course, we don't believe Enoch actually did this. Now, this is the first opinion this is a no or Enoch. And if that were the case, and he has mentioned in the Quran, then chronologically he should come where I just said, which is Adam and then sheep, and then it is according to the biblical genealogy, there is a second opinion and that is that Idris is not enough. Rather, Idris is a Prophet from the Bani Israel In Israel is a Prophet from the Bani Israel in the children of Israel. And he should not be mentioned with you not

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at all and this hadith is weak anyway, so we are mixed mixing up when we say his Enoch, Noah, Enoch, according to that opinion, is not mentioned in the Quran and Sunnah Idris is one of the Israelite prophets, and maybe even he is Elias or Ilya salaam when Allah Ilya seen according to one interpretation, and this is the position a memorable hottie emember Behati lien lean towards this opinion, and not only Imam and Behati but also perhaps some of the Sahaba felt this way as well. It has been narrated from Ibn Masood and even Abbas and others

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They thought that the Quranic reference to Ilias salam ala Ilya seen that the reference to Ilyas is in fact it is, and of the evidence that they use for this

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is that when the Prophet system went up to Islamia Raj, and he met Adam Alayhis Salam, Adam said to him, peace be upon you are noble prophets and our noble son. And when he met Ibrahim Ibrahim said the same thing. But when he met Isa, he said did not say my noble son, he said, a noble prophet, and when he met Idris as well in the fourth heaven, it is said, Peace be upon you are noble Prophet, or righteous Prophet and Oh noble brother upon Kenny. So it is called him a phone carry. And according to this Imam Al Bukhari says, basically, that if the prophet system had been a descendant of Idris, ie, Idris was you know, Enoch, then he would not have said welcome or noble brother and a noble

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prophet, He would have said like Ibrahim, and like Adam, are noble brother and Oh noble, sorry, sorry, oh, noble Prophet and honorable son, because Enoch would then be of the ancestors of the Prophet SAW Selim. So Imam Al Bukhari used that phrase, which is in his saw here, that that he says, In the fourth heavens to the prophets of Salaam, welcome, oh, noble brother, and oh, noble Prophet, the fact that he called him a noble prophet. In the end, a noble brother indicates he's not a father, even hedger comments on this and disagrees with him admirable haughty, and even hedger says that there is no evidence in this whatsoever. Rather, either one can say that this is a mistake from

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one of the narrators that they're just you know, they're narrating by meaning. Or he said that Idris is being humble, showing humility, and not raising himself to the level of Ibrahim or Adam and saying or noble rather, so even hijab and the majority say it is is enough or no, now, two other things Inshallah, and then we're done for today. There, there are references in Hadith to a prophet, whom many have interpreted to be into these. It's an authentic hadith reporting Sahih Muslim and a Muslim at Muhammad. Report from Malawi a typical Hakuna salami who said that, I asked the Prophet Sall, Allahu Allah, he was setting them about divination by drawing in the sand pause here we need

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to explain.

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There's always been weird techniques and methods to predict the future.

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Reading palms, Fortune Cards, mashallah drinking chai, and then you know, looking at the tea leaves, right? You've all seen these types of things looking into the crystal ball, and all of them have been uncategories actually considered haram. And if you believe that this person knows MLA, but this might even be actually it is a type of [???]. If you believe in those are in the labor, this is no doubt at issue. So all such things have been shut. There's also a technique, it's actually still found in some cultures. As far as I'm aware, it's not common in the Western versions of these types of things. It is called Hatha Raman. And there are various methods of Hatha Raman. But they all

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centered around drawing lines in sand and then deciphering those lines. So you draw either you get somebody else to draw, right? And so the person you know, you tell them just to draw something and then you decipher, or you draw somewhat haphazardly, not really thinking things through, and then you analyze what you have drawn to, like a mystical experience takes over you. And you draw it in the sand with your finger with a special instrument and whatnot. And if the drawing is you know, the person allegedly looks at it, and then predicts the future says you should get married you should undertake this journey. Don't take undertake that business. This is called hotdog ramen. This is

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called Hottel or ramen. Now, why are we even at HECM said I asked the process of about doing hotter ramen. The process was asked about any Omen, auguries about reading, and almost two birds about fortune telling. And he kept on saying and haram and this is, you know, your slides and accepted 40 days and whoever does this doesn't believe what has been revealed to me. When he was asked about what the Roman he gave a very, very, very atypical and interesting and somewhat Yeah, we have to think deeply about an answer. He said.

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There used to be a prophet who would write in ramen can they hope to be he would draw the ramen. So whoever's Raman whoever's prediction comes out to be true. It is because of that profit.

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What does this mean?

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What so the meaning of the hadith is, there used to be a prophet whom Allah gifted the science to? And that Prophet, it was a part of his prophecy. That's how Allah gave him the gift, because that's what Prophets do they predict the future. So there was a prophet who actually did this. And therefore,

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whoever's prediction of your groups is correct. It is because the remnants of what that Prophet did have reached this person. Now, our scholars have interpreted this hadith. And I think legitimately so

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with the claim that this is a prohibited but an indirect one, instead of saying It's haram, instead of saying, not allowed, if the process, some said is haram, and it's not allowed, that would be problematic insofar as a previous Prophet did it correctly. So the Prophet system had to say something that respected the rights of the previous prophet to do this, while indicating that it's not a lot for the rest of us. And so what he said was a prophet of the past use to do this. I can't say anything about that. Some of you guys who are still doing it, and you think it is divine, when it actually happens in accordance with reality, when he says something that turns out to be true,

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it's not because he has some special information, rather, is because of what knowledge was given to that Prophet eventually made its way indirectly to this person, but because this person is not a prophet, and because sometimes he's going to be right or wrong, you should not get involved in this science. This is what the majority interpretation has been. Now, what has this got to do with this? If you look at any commentary of this hadith, starting from even hedges starting from a nowhere and others, the vast majority of scholars, they say, the reference in this hadith is to these and why do they say this, there is no authentic reference that is Idris, but once again, this narration over

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here, I put it to before, right, and it explicitly says, We're who our human health public column is the first to write with the column is the first right with the column. Now, this notion of writing with the poem has been interpreted by the majority of scholars that this is a reference to this is a reference to the notion of Hatha romiley Octo rumley, there is another interpretation based upon this phrase, and that interpretation is founded inside and others and even this half even, and it is founded on poverty. And that is that they interpreted this phrase at face value. And they said it that is Alayhis Salam was the first human being to be blessed with the art of writing a one woman

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Hot Topic column. So Allah gifted Adam the ability to speak Allah gifted Idris the ability to write Allah gifted nor had the ability to build ships, Allah gifted, Tao would the ability to bend, metal and an iron and so on and so forth. And so the notion came that Idris is the founder of not even writing civilization. And you will find again bizarre you know, statements in past books even tougher, the better the one of this medieval scholars of history actually has even more longer than this. He was the first one to plan a city right to have a city planning is Idris, okay? And

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the Grand Mufti of Egypt and that is the heart of them a Muslim in the masjid that person, the Grand Mufti of Egypt actually said that

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it is was the one who built the pyramids. Can you believe it? Denise was the one who built the pyramids of Egypt. And he actually said,

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What can we say about this, he actually said that the Sphinx represents this, it was meant to represent the prophet that is,

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anyway, so as I said, we stick with the Quran and Sunnah and other people's statements leave remain other people's. There is no evidence that Idris was the first to write with a pen. The notion that he was the first to start writing is also problematic insofar as human writing goes back relatively recent and humanity is far far far beyond this. So mankind has been alive since you know 10s of 1000s of years. And writing is really relatively recent only a few 1000 years. So if it is worth 100 and 100 is the great grand

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further of knowing, which means writing is going to predate the flood, then this would change a lot of everything we know about archaeology and history, it would not make any sense. Rather, firstly, what the prophets have said, the authentic version is hotter Roman, not the first writing hotter Roman, which is divination by drawing in sand. And secondly, the authentic hadith does not mention the name of it, that is, if it is, if there is no problem, there is nothing about writing. And then thirdly, to extract from this, that he is the founder of civilization that, according to him inside, he's the first one to wear clothes made out of cloth, before him, clothes were made out of leather.

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So Denise was the first to so if she was the first to build the pyramids, Michelle, that the reason was, again, all of these legends of whatnot, we take them with a grain of salt, and we frankly see the humanity of our, you know, tradition. And again, it's it is what it is, and stuff rather this is not meant to cast any doubts on our tradition, it is meant for us to be

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people who understand the difference between what Allah and His messenger say, and between what anybody else says no matter how respected and great they are, in the end of the day, they are human beings who are products of their time in places and especially when it comes to stories of the past. It is human nature to create these legends and myths and whatnot. And so, at the end of the day, this whole hour long lecture, we actually know hardly anything about sheath and Idris and frankly, the entire lecture that I have given you, it is so that you know what others say As for what we ourselves know from the Quran and Sunnah sheath absolutely nothing. And it is what a foreigner who

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McCann and Alia in the Hokkaido, Saudi Arabia and that is about it, we do not even know if this was a no or whether he was ileus both opinions are plausible and there is no definitive statement that we can say therefore, where we do not know the Wiser thing to do is to not claim to know and to remain silent and say Allah subhana wa Tada knows best. Allah wanted us to know Idris that's why he says worth good victory. This is a prophet of Allah, we are expected to love and believe in Him without even knowing any details about him and that is what we do we respect and admire him, we affirm what Allah says what what a Fatima cannon idea and we leave it's reality interview to Allah

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subhanho wa Taala and inshallah with this, I will conclude for today until next time, somebody can rahmatullahi wa barakato.

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