Channel: Yasir Qadhi
Can The Dead Hear
Smith Rahman Rahim al hamdu Lillahi Rabbil alameen wa Salatu was Salam ala Sayidina, Muhammad Ali, he was a big marine about today's lecture is going to be about the book, The first of probably two or three lectures about the relationship between the living and the dead. And I wanted to begin this portion of our bodies off with the very, very relevant and pertinent question, and one that everybody asks about, and that is that, can the dead hear the living? When we visit them at the cover, when we're standing by their side, when we say Salaam to them? Can the dead here? And are they aware of the presence of those who are next to the cover? And this issue, which is called some outrun motor? The hearing of the dead is one that is used as an example, for the fact that even within Sunni Islam, there are theological or Alka de differences. Yes, it is true that they are kind of six six, or can we agree upon, it is true that most issues of Islam agree upon. But not
everything is agreed upon. Since the time of the Sahaba, there have been some minor issues of disagreement, even in matters of creed or theology. And this is number one on the list, can the dead here or not? Even the Sahaba disagreed amongst themselves. And you have on the one side, a certain group on the other side, another group? So this is an issue from the outset, we should be aware that there is no unanimous opinion amongst our own odema. If the Sahaba themselves differed, what do you think is going to happen in later times? And today, insha, Allah, I'm going to summarize for you in extensive detail, I say it is a summary. But in Charlotte is a very exhaustive lecture over the conflict, the conflict of this issue, and why it exists. And before I begin, realize that what we're talking about is the issue of the dead hearing in the vicinity of the cover. No mainstream scholar in the history of Islam, ever said that the dead can hear anything and everything that is Allah
subhanho wa Taala, who is a semi annual Basir. No one ever said that, wherever we are, we just call out and the dead can hear no, the controversy is if you go to the cover, and you stand by the cover, can the dead here, right in the vicinity, like in our life, we have a vicinity we can hear if somebody's speaking in the hallway, I can never hear that person, right. And if somebody's speaking in front of me, then I can hear them. So to the rhythm of the past and others have been what not the controversy was, can the dead here within the vicinity of the cover? No one said all hearing only Eliza which is all hearing. So we begin by the first group of people, those who said they cannot hear those who said they cannot hear and at the head of this entire group of scholars is none other than our mother, Asia or the Allah who are issues position is the dead cannot hear and some of the other Sahaba followed her and a group of Roma in Islamic history followed this position and the
evidence she herself used and all other later odema use it as their number one evidence is the Quran itself. The Quran seems to indicate that the dead cannot hear and there are a number of verses in our lecture I mentioned three and these are the main three, three of them. In fact two are exactly the same verse But repeated twice suited and number one verse 80 and surah a room verse 52, are exactly the same they are literally the same word for word for in color to smear on Mota wala to smear Osama Dora either well lo moody bien This is the exact same phrase twice in the Koran for in Naka LA to smear Odin Mota you Yasuda la cannot make the dead to hear you cannot make the dead to hear what to smell so much alone with bidding and those that are you know basically on a deathbed meaning here arrogant and whatnot. If you call out to them, they're going to turn away How can you make them here? So the tafsir is just like the arrogance Cora is turn away and leave a lot is saying
just like the dead cannot hear so to the orange will not hear. This is the parable being set up right
Those that don't want to listen to your message out of school a lot they are like they're like The what? The dead so this is an example being set up for in the color to smell Mota one are to smear Osama do either William with bidding, this arrogant person he might as well be dead in the cupboard The both of them cannot hear, which means the one in the cover cannot hear. Right. So these are two verses exact same. The third verse sort of falter verse 22. So the faulted verse 22 one is there we'll hear what I'm what in the law how you smear Omen Yeshua wama, antebi Muslim ear in men, Philco bore, the living and the dead are not the same. The living and the dead are not the same. A lot can allow anyone he wants to hear. And you cannot make the one in the cupboard to hear women and to be mysterion manful hobo, you cannot make the one who is dead to here. Now, once again, what is the reference being set over here? It's a very deep and profound example. Not similar are the living and
the dead. Why am I still here? Well, and what? This verse has a double meaning both of them are valid. The first meaning not similar is the one who has a man and the one who has Cofer
because Allah azza wa jal uses the metaphor of life for a man and uses the metaphor of death for Cofer, is that clear? The Quran in multiple verses uses the metaphor of life for a man and the metaphor of gopher for
sorry, the metaphor of death for Cofer and there are multiple examples in the Koran. A woman can and may attend for a hyena, for example, give the example of the one who was dead and we brought him back to life. Even above said, this is an example Allah is giving of the car for whom Allah guided to Islam. A woman can Matan for Hina Allah cause the car for me yet, and Allah says we brought him to Islam, he became alive. Right. So the metaphor of Eman and Cofer like the living and the dead is throughout the Koran. So Allah is saying the example of the one of Imam versus the one of Cofer is like the example of the one who is alive versus the one who is dead in how in their hearing. The one who is alive can hear, but Yasuda law, the one who is dead, the one who is in the Cabal, can you make him here? So to the one who is gaffer, and has a covering on his heart, someone Bookman omean, they will not hear him lie, yes, smart one. And the meaning of semar here is that they're not going
to hear to benefit, just like the one in the cupboard does not hear at all. Right? So this is a very deep metaphor that a large xojo gives of the Muslim in the cafe, like the living in the dead in the sense of hearing a hearing of benefit and hearing the actual hearing. So these verses are quite apparently explicit to one group of people. At the beginning of them is our mother, I shall do one half and many other odema who will mention as well, in the other camp or the other group, are also many scholars at the head of them is none other than ermitage rhodiola Juan and his son had been Omar and a number of Sahaba. So you have any major so how about on both sides, you have major Sahaba on both sides, and their evidence.
And later scholars are many, many, many ahaadeeth know verses of the Quran, many a hadith that seemed to indicate that the dead here and the most powerful and the most explicit one is the one that occurred when the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam buried the dead at the Battle of butter. He buried the mushroom corn at the Battle of butter and 70 Malik says that the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam left the cover of the people above there for three days. Then on the way back to Medina, he passed by their copper and he stopped and nada whom he shouted out to them. NIDA is to speak loudly. Nada whom Yeah, about Joe has been his sham. Yeah. Oh my Yeah, even holla Yeah, roots by Abner obeah. Yeah. shaybah even labia he mentioned the force en el de de for Yanni evil leaders have the courage by name. He's mentioning them by name. He's calling them by name. Yeah, but yeah.
Are they supposed to wider boom have called for in near Khawaja to man wider? Robbie, Robbie, how have you found the promise of a lot true? Because I have found the promise of a lot true.
The promises and speaking to the people of the cover, Omar said Yasuda law, can you face smile? How can they hear you? What annoys you g Bo, how can they respond to you when you're speaking to them? Walker j yfu. And they have been decayed. they're beginning to decay.
How can they hear you when they're in the corpse in the cover? kafer Yes, Maru and the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam said one lady in FCB, Eddie Ma and to be as Malema Coleman home while back in the home la corona and Yuji boo.
I swear by the one in whose hands is my soul, the prophet system is given custom By Allah, you right now are known are known less able to hear me than they are able to hear me, you can hear me exactly the same as they can.
This is a very explicit phrase, and it is in behati. And many books have given him all the books of Sierra mentioned this, the prophet system is saying, I give you a sum, you are hearing me as well as the people in the public can hear, but they cannot respond back to me. And he then went on and commanded that the the world because they were thrown into Well, he commanded that they will be covered up and to this day, if you go to battle, you know, the exact location of that well, that they were thrown into this evidence is the primary evidence that I'm going to blow up and his son had been or used to say that the dead can here because the Profit System is explicitly saying that they can hear me just as well as you can, and he's giving us some
and other evidences of the evidence is headed and so hypo Hadith the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam said in the lab that either will be I feel chapati he when the person is lowered in the grave and the heavier that goes on, then the phrase comes to what is harbor who will in no hula smart will put it on him when his companions go back and leave the one in the harbor can hear the footsteps of his own companions as they leave. This Hadeeth is in Bahati and it is quite explicit. The one in the Cabal can hear the footsteps of his us hab when they go back and leave the cemetery. Okay, so this is a second evidence, a third evidence the famous had you have a shot of your loved one and also in Bosnian Muslim, that the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam God came and told them to go to the public the last week of his life with the famous incident when he left in the middle of the night, and I sure followed, wondering he might go into another house if you get my drift here and she's
jealous What is going on? And he rushes to Berkeley. And he overhears the alarm I know what he's saying. And this was the last week of his life Scylla lahardee who was set up and he said the famous that we all know a Salaam Alaikum Yeah, hello million Muslims. I mean, we're in insha Allah who become law his own ness Allah Allah know what a common fear this is the other two said when you visit a copper now how does this indicate that the dead can hear the scholars say this Salaam is a Salam have to hear a salamati komiya handle copper Jacobo Salaam wa Alaykum like you give to the living now you have visited the dead in their copper you give Salaam to them as well. It is the same as the Salaam to the living, right? So the same thing Salaam Alaikum that we say to the living we say to the copper when we go to the opera and so this is a to hear or a welcoming and now the Prophet system is as if speaking to them. Well in insha Allah will become law on it's just a matter
of time I will meet you He is saying this right? This is not $1 per se This is a statement what in nutshell logic I'm gonna head on. I am going to meet you very soon my death is coming. I'm going to meet you very soon. So he is as if speaking to the people of the cover, and this indicates obviously that they must be hearing them.
Number evidence number four, the motel watcher narrations narrated by over 15 of the Sahaba It is one of them with to watch a hadith that the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam said that whoever sends his Salat upon me whoever sends his Salaam upon me, Allah subhanho wa Taala will convey their salaams and in other versions in that Illa Allah Malika to say yeah Hainan fellow there are angels that are touring in the land. That word sia Hmm. In a modern Arabic is tourism, in classical Arabic even wonders that Allah azza wa jal has angels that are wandering touring in the land. Their only job is to convey the salaams of my oma to me. So whatever you send Salaam, the angels bring it to me. Okay, so the scholar say this indicates that the one in the copper is aware of the salaams being sent in particular the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam and this is evidence number four evidence number five is a hadith that is pretty explicit.
But it is not found in the six books it is found in the more tertiary books of Suna in the Sahih bin hibben. And entirety of demisch can have been asaka and others and then bayhealth. He also has it and other tertiary books of Hadith.
it and it goes as follows that the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam said, or It is reported that he said ma'am and Roger and your Maru Allah Cobra, Roger in Cana yada foofy dunya for you certainly more Allah He in our fellow who died at his Salaam, this is a very, very explicit Hadith. There is no person who goes to the cupboard of one of his friends in this dunya, whom he knew Muslim, and he says Salaam to him, except that the one in the copper knows out of who he knows. And he then returns the Salaam. Okay. And this study is, as you can imagine, the subject of a lot of controversy, is it authentic or not? And this is one of the key factors. The point is even if it's not authentic, they have other evidences that is used, but if it is authentic, it is pretty explicit. And I have done my brief research and Allah knows best it doesn't seem to be sahi or even hesson. And this is the verdict of the majority of scholars have been Hagit at albani. They said that this this narration is
actually slightly weak, there's a missing link in it. So nonetheless, it can be used along with all of the other evidences as a type of Yanni something to put along with, but it's not one of the main things that we can do. Another point of evidence is the authentic
will see or legacy of Amitabh Dada sort of the last one, this is a Muslim, I'm gonna be honest, when he was about to die, he told his sons and he told his family, he told his family when you bury me, stand over me for as long as it takes to sacrifice an animal and distribute the meat. Now, what is sacrifice animal distributed meat, this is an expression in Arabic. You know, they didn't have a watch obviously, the concept of Nyssa and 2013 or something is not quite what they knew they had an expression that basically as long as it takes to slaughter an animal cut it up and distribute the meat, I don't I'm estimating maybe half an hour for them, okay or 25 minutes something because once you know how to slaughter an animal and cut it up, it's very fast job. So they had an expression in Arabic, which is stand over me this period of time, which is 20 minutes, 25 minutes something so I'm also saying when you put me in the cupboard, don't just leave stand there for a period of time 20
minutes 30 minutes
until he said, a step needs to become I gain comfort from your presence. So I'm going to be honest is saying and I'm but is a hobby is a famous hobby. He is a knowledgeable, so happy. And I'm also saying stay there around my cover so that I can find comfort from your presence. And I'm able to respond to that assume of my rugby meaning mela cane meaning Moncure and nickeil. Right. So he is basically saying I want your audience support. Be there while I am responding so that I know you're there and I can find comfort in your presence, right. And this heartbeat seems to indicate what it seems to indicate that Amityville house knew that the one in the cupboard is aware of the presence of the one outside that is why he is telling his own sons and his family. When you bury me Don't leave immediately wait a while until I'm able to respond to my my lord is messengers. messengers here means angels Yeah, it also doesn't mean your soul and the sense of prophets and then you can go
away. So, these are some of the main evidences that are used. Added to this. Added to this is the issue not quite an evidence per se, because this is never an evidence but it can be added to a list at the end of the list. And that is the motto Water Water Water music has been narrated by numerous numerous numerous people then will tell what their narrations from the scholars and the righteous of the Muslims and the alarm of the believers that the people of the cover are aware of the presence of those who visit them by the dreams that that living see of the dead, okay, this is something that is now become mutawatir that and you find this by the way, it's not just folklore and legends. You find this in famous books of any Tajima biographies, you find this many of the classical odema you find this famous speaking of their Mattia who have passed on and then they say, Oh, I saw him in a dream. And I visited him in the grave and he said, etc, etc. Right? So the notion of in a dream, the dead
come to the living, and tell them about their visits to the cover. Or tell them why didn't you visit me For example, right? You have neglected me, your house upon me as you should visit me For example, right? This is something that a number of scholars say is mutawa till now.
Islamic evidence law Shetty. aqeedah is not based upon dreams, obviously we all know that. But we say there's nothing wrong with adding this to the list at the very end. In and of itself, it is not an independent evidence. But in English, we say supporting evidence, right, we just add it to the long list of things that we can add. This is definitely not independent evidence because a million dreams does not make the shediac. But when you have all of these ahaadeeth Can't we just add this as well because it conforms with these ahaadeeth and that's what this group has done a bit. nakaya mentioned this point as well. Even though I am mentioned this point as well, that it is Tawana Tara, It is well known that people narrate this, that they see their loved ones and their loved ones know that they have visited them in the cupboard or not. Now, this group of people, this group of allameh,
before we move on to the names and other things, how do they understand the verses that we said are the evidence of group number one, right? How do they understand the evidences that Allah says in the Quran? For Nicola to smear with Mota? How do they understand this? This group understands that one a lot is saying you cannot make the dead here. The hearing is the hearing of benefits, not the hearing of a physical auditory sensation.
And the evidence is the context. Because when a law calls the corporation, someone, they are not actually some to the sole means death. They're not actually Deaf to the voice, what are they Deaf to?
The message, the truth acting upon it, right? They're not deaf to the voice. They're Deaf to the response that should be generated. So these other second camp, they say the verses are very clear. And the context indicates that what a lot is referencing is not the summer of the year, but the summer of the whole, there's a difference between the two. Right? And a lot also says in the Quran. For in terms of sorrow, well, I can Tamar, Allah what a kulu Latif isador, even the heart can see. And Allah is saying those people reject Islam. It's not their eyes that have gone blind, it is the hearts in the chest that have gone blind. Right? So the the metaphor or the language of hearing and seeing for the soul is something in the Koran, it's not something we are creating, it's in the Koran. So the question is when Allah is saying the dead cannot hear, what hearing is referencing the hearing of the voice or the hearing of response of the soul. group one says the hearing of the voice
and group two says the hearing of the response the hearing that is basically a hearing of of into fact, a hearing of benefit. And
they also mentioned you know, as we said, the whole notion of someone Bookman, omean, deaf, dumb and blind, not in a physical sense in a spiritual sense. So they say the Quran is very clear that what is being referenced is the hearing that will bring about a benefit. And Allah is saying, just like the one in the cupboard, it is too late, you can shout and scream and yell if they did not accept Islam in this life, Of what use is it So Allah is comparing the living with a seal over his heart with the dead, they can both hear, but they will not respond or they cannot respond. Okay, so this is how group two interprets the evidences of group one clear. Okay, now let's flip the question around. How does group one, interpret the evidences of
group two? Right? Because we have to be fair here, we have to and this is what the true researcher does. You don't approach the question biased. You look at the evidences, you see what each group is saying. And you put yourself in the shoes of each category, each camp, how do they view the evidences, and then the researcher is allowed to make his or her opinion up, it is not fair to approach the question already biased, it's not fair to just already have a mindset or only look at the evidences of one side, the open minded researcher, this is what he or she does, you look at the evidences, you weigh them both out, you put yourself in the shoes of each other, and you respond to the evidences. So
those who follow group one, they say, all of these evidences that you have brought forth are exceptions to the general rule. And exceptions don't make a rule. The people have burden.
A large surgeon made an exception for them,
to punish them.
The people of butter, Allah made an exception for them. And that's why the profitsystem is saying you can hear as well as they can. This is they flip it around.
Rather than extrapolate a rule, they make it into an exception. Right? And the issue of the footsteps walking away. They say, this is at the very instance when the rule goes back into the body and moonkin nicaea. And then after that it finishes after that is gone. This is when the because the head is, by the way, but I've been as I've added the famous one, the road comes back in and Moncada nicaea and in that Hadith, and the man hears the footsteps meaning this is it the end now the curtain is gonna fall. And now the real bar is a whole began now the rest of the bars will begin. So they say this is a 1520 minute exception basically that now it's beginning. And now that is his end that's going to cut off. As for the Hadith I just quoted that any Muslim who comes in visits his brother and says Sam, and a lot will not a lot, the man will recognize and respond. So obviously they say this hadith is weak, and they have evidence for this Hadees being weak that didn't
technically it is weak. So these are in a nutshell, two of the, you know, mainstream positions of Islam who held each position. So as for the position that the dead can hear the dead can hear.
I believe it is fair to say that a slight majority or maybe even a large majority held this position. Historically speaking, if you tally up the names of those who said the dead can hear it appears that they are in a majority. And at the head of this list is overdub mahapatra, viola Juan and his son Ibn Omar and an asymptomatic and herbal hurry rhodiola one, so amongst us, so, how about you have some big names and more than one and from the latest scholars, you have even hasm the scholar from underdose mm and Noah we the great the greatest Shafi scholar after Mema Shafi, Mr. masucci, the famous scholar of mameluke, Egypt, even taymiyah and Eben Pagan, both argued for this. And no surprise, most of his modern followers reject this, as you know, I'm pointing out some of the minor tensions that exist out of the money. Anyway, I have my reasons for doing so. But as is typical, those who look up to these two figures, they don't follow these two figures on this issue.
And most of the modern followers of these ama, they say no, no, the dead cannot hear. And they have another position on this and they're respected or them I'm not saying that. But in terms of even taymiyah they both argued that the dead can hear and even cathedra, the famous professor in his seat, he explicitly says that the dead can hear and in recent times as well, the famous Mufasa allama Chantilly in his autobiography, he has an entire section about the evidences for the dead cat here. And he has like I think three or four pages, where he goes into detail about these same evidences that I have mentioned, just to quote you some of these so that you know I'm not making this up, even taymiyah it is much more fatawa volume for 273. He was asked, do the dead speak in their hover? And he replied, Yes, it is clear that the dead can speak in their cover meaning to each other or to Allah not to the living means the dead are able to communicate in the habit and the
buzzer right amongst themselves meaning not to the living and also even in the Tamia saying they can hear those who speak to them,
as has been narrated in the Sahara that the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam said they can hear the footsteps of those who are around them when they walk away. This is even taymiyah in his majority, and also in his mid morphotype folio for page 298. He says that are a shadow of the law one had this even taymiyah saying I shadow the law one huh? Two oh well reinterpreted the explicit ahaadeeth about the dead hearing in the cover. He says, what are the Aloha unha took these ahaadeeth and didn't understand them literally. She had a reinterpretation and reinterpretations allowed when there are evidences that allow you to do this. But then he said even taymiyah saying, but the statements of the Prophet sallallahu wasallam do not need to be reinterpreted. In other words, he's politely saying there was no need for our mother, I showed her the olana to do this. The statements of the Prophet system are clear, because the Koran does not contain anything in it that requires
this negation. Now what is he referring to?
I should have the love wine have said that when So, this this Hadeeth is in body and other books have had these authentic when Eben O'Meara told the people of the incident have been many, many years later, after the death of the prophet SAW sent him and the people have been heard the Prophet system, Isha said, is authentically narrated, by the way Hema he has made an error and he slipped his memory. He said this is not what the process and could have said but why him meaning a bit Omar
Or made a judgment error or made a lapse or something that their memory did not serve them properly. What he means an honest mistake she's not accusing them of either but
more than this it's just an honest mistake any everybody's memory feels he made a mistake. And she said, Don't you hear what Allah is saying in the Koran for in Nicola to smear old Mota.
So I Isha rhodiola Juana is quoting the Koran against a bin Omar's narration of what happened at better. And she is saying a bit on what is mistaken. A bin Omar made a genuine mistake because the Quran tells us the dead cannot hear. Rather what the prophet system said was that they know not they hear they know that. Eliza, which is promises true, just like we know unless promise is true. So this is our issue is
that we are reinterpretation of what happened at but even Tamia is saying, There is no need for our mother to reinterpret. There's no clash in the first place. Because he is saying that the dead over here, they are not going to hear a hearing of benefit. As we said, we explained what how they interpreted this, this verse, so it been to me is very clear. He believes the dead can hear
em in his famous book Guitar Hero, and I'm quoting these on purpose because again, with my utmost respect, many of those who follow these are them, I don't really follow them. And so I'm gonna put them in this GitHub, page 141 he writes, a lot never intended with these verses, which verses in galactosemia remota. Alon never intended with these verses, to negate that the dead can hear. How can this be intended when the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam informed us that the dead hear the footsteps of their funeral people that that he informed us that the people have been hurt him that he informed us that when we go to the copper, we should say salam to them in the same manner that Salam has given to the living and that he informed us that when a brother visits his brother in the cupboard that allows that when the brother visits his Muslim brother in the Cobra, his brother responds to him and responds to the Salaam, meaning ignore him considers the Hadees to be authentic,
the one that I said is weak, have no pay, I'm considered to be authentic and he quotes it. So if no pay him and had been tamed me and others, they are of the opinion that that the dead can hear and they are very firm on this position. Now who's on the other side, we also have some major odema and beginning with Aisha rhodiola. Juana herself. And from the top of your own petard, the student have been abuzz from the great aroma. Albay happy who died for 38 Hydra ebin Alia also from underdose even Josie not even no claim, there's two scholars people get confused with them, even Josie who is 596 and 8am, who is 797 to 20 years difference between them. So even though Josie is another famous scholar who's pre even taymiyah he said they cannot hear even Kodama also, when the of the humblest scholars of all the Avaya, they're also one of the humbling scholars and from the Hanafi scholars, even though the hamam and even Aberdeen, great hunter fear Adama, they also denied that the dead can
hear and from the non Madhavi scholars a show Carney from Yemen, he also denied that the dead cat here and in our modern times the famous muhaddith chef, lol Bernie, may Alonzo Joe Have mercy on him. He wrote a treatise or a book, which is essentially a negation of the dead, being able to hear so he also considered the dead cannot hear and they try to bring some more interpretations. The evidences are pretty much as they are. There's no other interpretation. What I quoted to is essentially the main evidence as they try to bring some other nuances of them is that they say, and shefali Bonnie's treatise is pretty thorough, if you read it in this regard, that they say that
aroma rhodiola one when he is telling the prophets of some Yasuda law, how can they hear you
indicates that or Omar understood that the dead cannot hear right to get this point?
The Prophet system did not correct him uncondition unconditionally he could have said or Omar
What could he have said
the dead can hear. But he didn't What did he say?
They can hear me now as well as you guys can hear me. So this group says this indicates what
exception it indicates exception
Otherwise, the profitsystem would have said, What do you mean they can't hear? Of course the dead can hear. Right? So the fact that omoto the law one year I taught, although he makes the I did the fact that our model D alone understands and he's questioning Yato Sula, how can you speak to them, they're dead. And in response, the profitsystem is saying, well, they can hear me now as well as you can, it seems to indicate an exception. And the other issue that they mentioned
is that the issue of the footsteps, the issue of the footsteps, the very fact that they only hear the footsteps and also when Moncada nickeil are questioning and when the row comes back, seems to indicate as I explained already, that the curtain is falling, that that's it, the end is now going to be the next phase because you know, it's like the footsteps walking away and that's it. And so now, this is where the real button if you like, begins and as for the prophets of the law where I said I'm visiting the Cobra and saying As salam wa Alaykum Allah Coleman minimum estimator meaning this is an interesting point, they say this is not the here to here means greeting This is due
to hear and do our two separate things to hear his greeting whether you to me to hate him for how you beat him in her or to do her Allah says when somebody comes in greets you with any greeting respond with the same greeting or to give better greeting than that to hear is for the living.
But they say a Salaam wa Alaykum can also be used as a DA may a law's Peace be on you.
So, which one is it to hear or Salaam when you go to the copper could be either. So those who say the dead here they say a Salaam Alaikum is eta here and the other campus saying no, it is not to hear it is a DA right. So they eliminate this evidence as well. And they also say just like we say in the Salah, a Santa Monica you have nebi right and we are not speaking to the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, he is now in the barossa and he is now in the other life.
As for the of course we already mentioned that the dead recognizing the brother and then saying Salaam to him. They say this Paddy is not narrated in any of the famous six books which is true it's not and it is found in the more tertiary books of Hadith. And the isnaad. All of them have slight weakness now it is true this hadith is mentioned by four or five is nods candies is not strengthen one another if not pay him thought they could assume they thought they could assume he also uses that. But the other groups the more you know stricter of the head, the scholars they say no, these nuts are weak and there seems to be a validity to that. As for the statement of album, that house album, they're all said Oh, my family stay with me. Right? This group says Ahmed Abdullah Al so the Illa one is a Sahabi. And his opinions are respected but they don't become the Sharia. That's his opinion. And for psychological reasons he wants his family around him. We don't be shady on the
opinion of a companion. Okay, so they say this is Zach Allah here, but we don't extract shediac from the opinion of a companion. As for the mutawatir narrations that
the angels send the Salaam to the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam they say this is an evidence against you not for you.
This is an evidence against not for how so Who can tell me how?
Excellent point. A lot. zoa gel is using angels to bring the salon of the living to our profits are some indicating what
indicating that the it's not the hearing. It is a separate and this is specific for one person that is who the prophets have said it is not reported in any book. And nor is that the belief of any mainstream Muslim that much of all of us have our group of angels that come to us when we're dead. No, that doesn't. That's our Prophet sallallahu sallam. So they say this is an evidence against you, not for you. Okay, so we have here now two very different positions. Each one has its evidences, each one has its great aroma. And now we come to the conclusion, which is what do we do with this controversy? And honestly, dear brothers and sisters, I have thought of this issue and researched it for a long period of time. It's nothing new that I'm doing for the first time today, and it really remains unclear to me. There is no unequivocal evidence on either side.
And even the companions differ, so we should respect this issue. Even the Sahaba amongst themselves different and the tab, you're on interpret tab, you're on different and you have greater allama. On both sides, it is very clear that our mother I should know the Allah one ha did not believe that the dead could hear it's very clear. That's why she didn't even accept this wording of a bit and wasn't happy. And she goes, No, no, this was a mistake, he couldn't have said that. Right. It is also clear that had been omitted, and others accepted that the dead here when you go visit them. And
this issue now, by the way, again, to be very accurate and pedantic here, the narration of the Prophet system speaking to the people of butter is reported by multiple male Sahaba I should have the laquanda was not there.
She was not there. The Battle of burden, there were no women.
So she is rejecting the narration based on what she thinks is an interpretation of the Quran, by the way. And even Tamia is saying there was no need for her to do that. There was no clash in the first place. Okay, so this is an interesting point that we do need to take into account that the wording of an aroma and the wording of the because unless and others merit the same thing, it's not just if an aroma, multiple Sahaba are saying the process of went to the people of butter, and he spoke to them, and he called them by name. And I show the alarm did not say this is an exception. Her interpretation was no he didn't say that they hear because the dead cannot hear. And later scholars had to affirm that the process of said that wording, but then they said it's an exception. Do you guys understand what I'm trying to say? Right? So even this is an interesting point here now
and also by the FYI, just FYI information sake. Around a century and a half ago, a very famous Hanafi scholar named Norman sorry, Norman. Lucy, the famous Professor hated the Lucy, he wrote a book that is called a yatabe unit Vietnamese Samurai and water in the Hanafi yet is sad that this is a tree teaser, a booklet which is one of the more comprehensive books written in the last century, in which he quoted some of the famous Hanafi scholars and he wanted to say that mainstream Hanif ism does not affirm that the dead can here. However, for those of you know, hanafy, the school as you should know, Hana fism has multiple strands and you have the Iraq day school, you have the Shammi school and you have the Indian School as well. And the Indian School by and large affirms that the dead can hear. Okay, so this is even within the Hanafi school, you have this controversy, if you go to some of the classical tough seers, one of the greatest manifestos of the origin in Judea poverty,
who is one of the earliest professors over 1100 years ago, 310, he died, he explicitly says that the verses that the dead cannot hear, or hearing of benefit not to hearing of the face, not to hearing over the thing. So poverty affirm that the dead can hear other great scholars, they looked at these evidences and they basically shrug their shoulders, and they said, We don't know, most famous amongst them, even Abdullah bar, the famous andalusi and scholar ibn Abdullah Bara said, these issues of whether the dead can hear or not, we will never know for certain, which is a very valid point until we're dead. We're not going to know it until we're there. And until then, there's no point discussing it. So just let it be very practical approach, right? If an adult bar is basically saying, we're never going to know for certain, what's the point, just leave it. The problem is curiosity. Correct. The problem is we're not satisfied with the bars answer we want to know Can we
hear or not? Now, before I get to my conclusion, I'm kind of hyping it up.
And my conclusion pretty straightforward inshallah, and you already guessed it, I think in the in the, in the lead up to this, this issue of whether the dead can here before I get to my conclusion, we also need to make a very important disclaimer,
whether the dead can hear or not, there is no action that is based upon this controversy. We need to make this very, very clear, no 50 ruling changes. This is an abstract theoretical issue, can the dead here or not? When you visit their power? Do they know you're there or not? Nothing changes in terms of what we do outside of the cover.
Is that clear? Why? Because one of the main reasons why the followers have been tagged me in our times and many of the famous odema in recent history wanted to deny that the dead can here is to get to the bigger issue which is clear cut. Should you ask the dead for your name.
And of course, this group, which is the correct position says no, you cannot ask the debt free, which of course I agree with, you don't go to the cover. And you say you also have a cover cure my child, they also have a you don't do this right. As we know, some groups do this, as we know, this is something that happens in our in our times. So the group that wants to get rid of this habit or this practice, one of the tactics they want to use is to say that the cupboard does not hear the media does not hear, right, and you understand where they're coming from. In this regard, I want to say, we need to be very clear whether the dead can hear or not, the fear of dealing with the dead does not change at all.
We do not go to the cupboard and have conversations about life on Earth. None of the Sahaba did this with the Prophet sallallahu, alayhi wasallam, none of the tablet room did it with the Sahaba. They didn't just go and have a chair, pull it up to the cupboard, and say I just want to update you about what's happening. You know, while since you've been down there since last month, let me tell you what's going on. Since you no longer have internet Wi Fi password, let me explain to fifth doesn't change much worse than this is to ask the person in the cupboard to do something for you. Oh, so and so ask Allah to give me something, or even worse than this, or so and so you give me something, right? We understand this is how wrong we understand this point. And Sharla everybody in this audience understands this is a major sin. And it is a stepping stone to Schick so we are definitely against this altogether. So there is no question therefore, that this is a HD high the aka the issue
that has no bearing on our actions. And history affirms this, that the classical odema did not go to their teachers, the Sahaba did not go to the Prophet systems, and said, Dr. rasulillah, we're having major issues. There's a civil war going on. Can you help us out here? You know, there's two people fighting you love both of them in this world? Can you tell us why none of them did this? Right. So it's very clear that no fit is is there. So
to conclude, what is my humble position? Truly, I sympathize with even Abdullah bar in the sense that we will never know until we're there. Right? At the same time, Allah knows best I find myself very sympathetic to Eben Tamia his position overall. Because
the Quran does not negate the hearing of the dead unequivocally. If you look at those verses, all of them, they're dealing with hidayah
they're dealing with guidance. So it does appear that what Allah is saying the dead cannot hear what he's negating is the hearing that is beneficial. The hearing that we call over the call. And
all of these evidences, maybe each one of them can be interpreted this way, this way, this way, as the other group tries to do. Right, which is a valid one. It's valid he had but put together what is the message that we're getting?
You see what I'm trying to say here, right? Each one you can make it we'll have it and you can say okay, he means this okay? He means that he means this, but put together, what are we getting from all of this? We're getting and I quote Eben Tamia, volume five, page 366 of Memorial fatawa all of these traditions and other than them indicate that the may yet can hear the speech of the living. But this doesn't mean that every may yet here's every speech of the visitor that comes to him. Right? Because even in this world, sometimes the living don't hear the speech of the other living right.
Husbands don't hear this feature their wives very often. And they're both alive and shallow toddler
so just like in this world, sometimes the living don't hear the speech of the living doesn't mean every single may yet hears every single visitor that comes to his grave.
Four It is possible that a law can allow some of them to hear in some circumstances and not in others. It is possible that they may yet might be this has been Timmy might be busy with something else. So that when the visitor comes he is unaware. And I found this very profound, right? That even Tamia is not just making a blanket overall free for all every time dummy yet is visited by the living he is aware of the living know the May youth is in his own world. And the may yet there's no doubt busy in a lot of things either good or bad we asked a lot for good but maybe it's the opposite the bad. So there's no guarantee that the living when they visit them a yet that every single time they will be noticed and heard.
But overall it is clear that it does happen. But it is not an exception. But it is a generic rule. But it is not necessarily the case that every single time the person will know. And therefore Allah knows best but it can be made an argument that the dead are aware of the visitations of the living. And again we're talking about when the when the when the living visit to the cupboard, that's what we're talking about you right? And the dead can hear the Salaam and are aware of the Salam if Allah wills not every single time and it is very likely that
especially if a long time has gone by because we also talked about the May it's going to sleep in the grave remember we talked about this as well right? And so maybe that translate comes and so if it if a descendant comes a second generation third Gen your great great grandfather for example, it's not the same as a freshly deceased for example, Allah knows best but again this appears to be the case based upon the the narrations what not and
to conclude I need not to get too personal but as well I also have experienced this in my life as well when it comes to dreams of the deceased and whatnot, then you get a notion of this and my teachers and many of my loved ones as well. And this is not an evidence in the shed Yeah, it is not an evidence. But if no am himself says the water, it is water water that people have seen this in their dreams and that the dead are aware of the visitations of the living. So this is not a standard of evidence, but it is something that can be added to the list as well. And I agree with him in to me, I did not pay him overall. And Allah subhanho wa Taala knows best before I open the floor for q&a. As you know next week we're going for ombre so I will not be here until the two weeks we're going to be coming and then we will have the part two of this discussion so no questions about that which is what can we do for the disease that's going to be in two weeks inshallah, today's lecture
was all about hearing As for what we can do and what we cannot do that when they shall be after two weeks so we open the floor for q&a inshallah, who will be our first question or Marcia along could you're always our first question may Allah bless you and increase your enthusiasm
very good question.
Our brother asks that, that I said that dreams do not become a part of the Shetty
Abdullah bin is eight. And others saw the the done and the MIS procedure of the event in a dream.
And the response to this, they're seeing it in a dream did not make it [???]tier.
They're going to the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam and the Prophet system commanding them to do it is what made it [???]tier.
Not the dream in and of itself. The dream.
The technical term use that nurse will be he you find comfort in it, but you don't derive theology and filth from it. Okay, sisters, any question from the sisters? Going once going twice back to the brothers Bismillah? Yes, go ahead.
Can the dead talk to each other as a Mia says yes, it does appear to be the case that the island will barossa if Allah wills they can talk and meet one another. if Allah wills, there does not seem to be open license evidence that every dead can meet any dead. And this doesn't even make sense logically. Rather, this appears to be that whomever Allah wills amongst them will be able to. And we of course, have a confirm narration that the prophets met one another in the night of his stolen marriage, and they are no longer alive. The process was alive, but the rest of them other than Isa have gone on. And they had conversations with one another. Right. And we also have in the authentic narrations that the prophets have said Moosa and Adam had a fight. They didn't have it in this dunya they had it in barossa. Right, they had it in buzzer moose and admirer are having a debate and fight and dialogue. So from this we can say Allah knows best that there is clearly indications that some
of the dead can meet some of the dead who when where what as a blue bar says we will never know until we are a part of that world. Okay, sisters just go to the backward
in that collage to smear old Mota.
But there's something to hear that maybe they are but that we
are just trying to understand.
to smear to smear the Arabic to smear means you cannot make them hear a smile you smear is not semia yes smell a smile, you smear Oh is to make the other one here. Right? So in that color to smear old motor the sister is saying basically that can wait Can I comment a little bit more about the meaning of this verse and does it mean that the dead cannot hear. So I'm just saying the word that Allah is using is you cannot cause the dead to hear. The controversy was what hearing is being referenced the hearing that is the physical hearing, or the hearing of the words or the hearing that is hearing of benefit. As for the dead hearing from each other to each other. That's not what is referenced here it is the living speaking to the dead and whether it is a physical or a metaphor or not a metaphysical but to spiritual and Allah knows best. Okay, here's good
So, our brother says when we visit the cover of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam
does he hear us does he know of our presence and this issue goes back to the very issue of candidate here or not. So the group that says that the dead can hear in the vicinity of the cover the group that says this will say that the Prophet sallallahu Sallam is aware just like any media is aware he would be aware infinitely better of the ones in front of him right. And in this case, they would say there is no need for the angel
and this group would then say that is the whole point of us going and giving Salaam directly the other group will argue that no wherever you are in the world, even if you're physically in front of the cover
an angel will convey the ceram and so regardless of whether you're in front of the cover, or you're in America, it is the same but when you're in front of the property you get an emotional basically softness that you benefit from your salon is the same wherever it is. So this is a good question. Now there is a fabricated Hadeeth by the way we should be aware of it it is mold or it is not even forget the six books is not in any of the authentic books of Hadith it is fabricated that whoever sends Salaam to me from far away the angels convey the Salaam whoever comes to my harbor directly I hear his Salaam and this hadith is fabricated madore it is not authentic. Okay. Yes brotherhood.
So we will discuss this issue in Sharla. And if not two weeks, maybe in third week through so now but the dreams of the living vissa v the dead. We will discuss this in detail inshallah. Okay, good question. Sisters. Yes. Go ahead. Yes, quit
our sisters saying that because they're aware of their surroundings or what?
So it is a part of our Shetty by all the sisters about burying a Muslim in a non Muslim grave? Is it because of the surroundings? What not? It is unanimous consensus of all of them that have been scholars that Muslim graves should be separate and distinct from non Muslim areas, they should have a separate thing. Now why this is the case? There is no explicit reason in the Sharia. Why is this the case? Is it because they will hear the either of the others is going to be is it that we don't know? We do not know. So I can't answer you. Why is that because there is not an explicit narration why, but it is something that in which there's no difference of opinion. Therefore, if a Muslim passes away, in a land where there is no Muslim cemetery, then the ideal thing to do, if possible is to take him to the nearest Muslim cemetery, even if that delays his burial by a short and reasonable period of time, if it will make it unreasonable and too extended and the body will begin to decay.
In this case, it is about aura. And if possible, he should be buried in a separate away plot. And if that is not possible, then locally for long enough set aside and you bury him wherever and ask us for him. Nothing can be done. In that case. Allah knows best final question from four brothers simultaneously raised your hands very quickly. Let's do all of them very quickly. These four and then that's it.
The brother says Is it a sin to hold the wrong opinion? No, our Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam said, if a person exercises his best, most judicious HD hard, he tries his best to get to the opinion, and he is correct a lot will give him a double reward. And even if he's incorrect, he will get one reward. Allah does not punish for a sincere effort brothers Bismillah.
So our brothers saying that, why is it sinful to speak to the dead in front of The Hobbit out of emotion?
I'm not gonna say it's sinful, I will say definitely this goes against the actions of our oma of the righteous and the ruler of our ummah. And the Sahaba themselves, if anybody deserves to be spoken to, it would have been the prophets of Allah, Allah who was selling them, if there was any time when somebody needed to speak to a deceased, the Sahaba during civil war would have come to the Prophet solicited them and done something right. So this goes against the actions of our oma. And it is not something that we're open to Now, obviously, if you become emotional and you say something, this is one of the reasons why people have weak emotion should not go to the grave in the first place. As we know, if you get my reference here, that you should have a strength when you go to the cupboard, it is not something that is allowed. I'm not going to use the word sinful, the least that can be said is that it is microlenders best final question because whereas it was really a good
can the living creatures hear the dead
it is narrated, it is narrated that the Baja M or some of the beasts can hear the the torture of some of the people of the club, it is narrated that some of the behind there are narrations in this regard, that the behind him so some of the beasts they are able to hear the
make the audible cover. And so this indicates that not all but at times certain things are made clear to them. And Allah knows best I'm just this is my own, he had.
Perhaps this is one of the reasons why cemeteries are abandoned for all or almost all living creatures. that these are not places where generally speaking we find you know, the living go there. Allah knows best in this case inshallah, this inshallah will conclude in our series Sharla in two weeks in sha Allah with Isaac on official American
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