The speakers discuss the history and cultural significance of "imitating the" in religion, emphasizing the importance of celebrating graduations and celebrations in public events, avoiding double-crossing, and attending religious celebrations. They stress the use of "headache" in clothing and media, as well as the history of dressing up in the Middle East and the use of shiny clothing in buildings and public places. They also touch on the Frenchier stamp and its significance in French culture, emphasizing the need for safety and fashion.
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hamdulillah Isla De Niro
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Al Hamdulillah Al Hamdulillah Al Hamdulillah Camden County Daniella Bullock
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una Masada to see him rollin be in Moscow Val Karim
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la hamdulillah salat wa salam ala rasulillah.
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So this is going to be in Sharla with either our last hurrah for this year of 2018. And I thought
that inshallah Tada, I'll continue what I had done two weeks ago, or three weeks ago, and we did the
reality of beta. And I went over a number of important categories, a number of issues. So please,
for those of you that haven't listened to part one, this is actually part two. For those of you that
haven't listened to that, please go back and listen to the reality of Buddha. This is actually a
continuation from where we left off, and we're going to be utilizing some of the material from that
lecture as well, I'm not going to be going over it again. So today's topic is about essentially
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celebrations. But in order to understand celebrations, we have to link it to another topic, and that
is the topic of imitating the kofod. To shabu belco far, and that is because one of the main reasons
why some of our scholars prohibit certain types of celebrations is because they link it to the issue
of imitating the kofod. And they say that because it is how long to imitate the gopher, therefore
celebrations become held on. So today's topic, even though it's about celebrations and the filco
celebrations, because it is so deeply entrenched with the issue of the Chabot, we also have to
briefly talk about that. Obviously, I always make this disclaimer every single time and I do so
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because a lot of times, even if you've seen my comments in Facebook and Twitter and whatnot, a lot
of people they say, Oh, you missed this point, you missed that point, I have one lecture. And this
topic can easily be many, many lectures, I can do everything. So I always make this disclaimer still
doesn't matter. People say I haven't covered this or that fit in shall anyway. So let us begin.
Today's topic is a very, very sensitive one that some people, some people get very emotionally
charged up about, they have made up their minds, they're firmly entrenched in their opinions. And in
reality they have, whether they understand it or not linked their identity really, with this issue
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of making something out on such that when somebody comes along and says, oh, maybe it's not how
long, they literally feel as if their identity has now been completely destroyed as if they are no
longer religious or practicing Muslims. And that is why it is difficult to have a dialogue. Even I
myself for many, many, many years I haven't given this is the first time I'm actually giving a
lecture about this, because I know the backlash that has caused in the minds of some practicing
Muslims, I merely asked you to set aside your preconceived notions or prejudices and listen with an
open mind to listen with an Imam filled mind. I'm going to quote you evidences from the Quran and
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Sunnah this isn't coming out of far left field, I'll quote your own lemma. And I will explain to you
that in fact, a very easy argument can be made to defend both positions. Again, it's not as if it's
a clear cut lottery issue, there are two opinions as there are usually the case and the fact of the
matter is that in this case, one of the opinions clearly seems to be more rooted in academic
knowledge, then the other button shall let us begin with our preliminaries. So, what is read what is
a celebration? The word read is a noun that comes from the verb either you do and read signifies two
things, a regular return at a time interval and a congregation of people. So read is called read our
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religious read is called read, because it happens every year at the same time and because people
gathered together at that time, so read means to repeat to come again and again I they are who do
and also HTML on us people come together. So the reason why our Holi festivals are called IID is
because number one, they occur regularly every day, the first every year, the first show what is
going to be our either filter and the 10th of the car, there's going to be our either a set in stone
every year, and then also what happens on HTML on us people come together. So celebration, it is
something that people do. This is why he is called EAD and we see the and this is the technical
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term. And we see the linguistic meaning of this in the famous Hadith of the Prophet sallallahu
alayhi wa sallam, which says in Arabic, who would language Allah kobori reader letters to every
reader, don't make money.
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Cover and read don't make my paper and read. Now, this Hadeeth people easily misunderstand the
process of saying don't make my cover read. And Muslim reads this hadith and says, How could anybody
be happy and festive at the cover of the prophet SAW Selim? When the Hadith says don't make my cover
and read and when you say read and the Muslim mind you think happiness celebration sweets Medina
Allah has it How can the cupboard become an aid, but the linguistic meaning of it is not festival
per se. linguistic meaning of read is what? To come repetitively, right? To make it a frequent point
to come there. So the profitsystem is saying, Don't make my copper, a regular place of visitation I
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eat, don't add a Udo, don't keep on coming back to my copper and make it the goal rather than the
masjid or the house of Allah subhana wa so using the word eight over here, and of course we know we
have to or aids in Islam, the two primaries that we have infiltrated and this is something much much
earlier hamdulillah there is no love amongst all the scholars. Our Prophet system entered Medina,
the first year of the hedgerows, we know and he saw the people celebrating two days and he said
Allah subhanho wa Taala has substituted your two days for two better days it will filter and it will
okay this is an important Hadith memorize it. He has substituted your two days with two better days
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Riedel filter and and you don't have to have so this hadith clearly indicates that we have two
primary reads and it is something that is well known. Also we have the word read and another Hadith
we'll come back to this hadith as well. I'm going to quote it now. And this is the Hadith reported
also a widowed and Western environment where a man came to the Prophet of the law while he was
setting them and said O Messenger of Allah, I made a promise of vow another to Allah to sacrifice a
camel at a place called buana. bawana is a small coastal village close to yesterday on the on the
Red Sea. So I made another to Allah to sacrifice a camel at buana. So the Prophet sallallahu alayhi
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wa sallam said, was this place Bwana a place where there was an idol, or an IED of the Aedes of
Jamelia. And the man said, No. So the process said, in that case, fulfill your vow go and sacrifice
the candlelight one. Okay, so he asked was that land and read? And what does it read over here mean
people coming there celebrating a religious festival. And the concept therefore of a place and a
time being read is something well known and understood. And there are the headings we already
mentioned of the Prophet system, saying Allah has given you to better reads, so he's abrogating
other reads, and we have as the statement of the Sahaba This isn't a Hadith, Abdullah Ahmed Abdullah
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Al said, whoever lives in the land of idolatry, and builds his house in the land of idolatry, and
celebrates their Nehru's no ruse is a pagan festival, it is still common in lands that used to be
Zoroastrian. It used to be a Zoroastrian festival, the Medusa, they had no rules. No rules that this
is because narrow is New day, new year, right? No rules is narrow is the new year new day, so no
rules was the Festival of Zoroastrians. And with the coming of Islam, the Zoroastrians basically
left their restaurant ism, they embraced Islam. But by and large, the festival remained and it still
remains to this day in that region. And it is a festival of just a holiday a new year now, right? So
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Abdullah, Al said, whoever lives with them wishes they can build his house with them, we should
again, celebrate their nose, and there are festivals, he shall be resurrected with them. So we have
over here the method or the statement of the Sahabi that the Muslim should not celebrate no rules.
Okay. But do keep in mind, we're going to come back to this point. When is he speaking he's speaking
one knows, is a religious festival. This is in the time where there's restaurants everywhere and no
rules has a clear religious element to it, it is the Festival of Zoroastrianism. So, the issue
therefore comes that what is the Islamic verdict on celebrating festivals other than the two
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festivals of Edo filter and Riedel odd hat. So, two primary reasons are given by those scholars who
say that we should not celebrate festivals, as you can already tell. There are two opinions on this
issue as always the case and we're going to mention both of them. Those scholars that say one should
not celebrate any festival other than filter and other hat. They have a number of excuses primarily
to number one, they say
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Any festival other than the tour, EADS will constitute a bidder in Islam. Okay, so they say any
festival is an innovation into the religion. And last halaqa that I gave on beta, we went over the
types of beer, the other categories of bitter, and we explained what is a beta. And we say, and I
say very clearly, any festival that is done without the intention of getting Allah's reward cannot
be called a beta. A Beta has to be in the matter of the religion. Okay, so some scholars were a
little bit
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encompassing, they stretched the definition of bitter. And they basically argued that a festival is
always associated with holiness and religiosity. And so introducing any festival inherently is going
to be linked to beta. And this is a stretch that belies experience. It goes against the common
experience of the world that we live in, that there are religious festivals, everybody knows them.
And then there are secular festivals that people do that are not of any particular faith. So that is
a bit of a stretch. And we already talked about it, I'm not going to go down that basically today's
already been there. Essentially, any non religious festival cannot be argued as being bizarre, it is
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nonsensical, because I can only be done when you do a festival and you think it is Islamic. And even
then, we talked about the categories that we went over with our Adolphe and all of that I mentioned
that last class in any case, the next thing that they say, all celebrations are held on because it
is imitating the kuffaar This is the second reason they say the shabu belco for imitating the
kuffaar this is where we need to now pause the issue of celebration spend around 2530 minutes
talking about this issue of imitating the co founder and inshallah This is basically half of today's
lecture. So it's going to be two birds with one stone celebrations and imitated the Godfather
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because they are linked together and inshallah as well. The concept of imitating the co founder will
benefit us What does it mean? What is how long and what not?
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So now we begin? Is it true that our religion tells us to not imitate the co founder response? There
are verses and ahaadeeth that do seem to suggest some type of principle is not coming out of thin
air. For example, the Koran says Surah Baqarah verse 121, total ankle Yehuda nosara had that Tommy
letter on the hood and then Asada will not be fully content with you. The real law is the highest
level of contentment. They're not going to be fully content with you until you follow their Miller.
Okay. Now what does Miller mean?
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So some would say their middle means anything to do with them. So they make the argument that
anything that does that is related to their ways their lifestyle, their custom is their Mila. So
therefore, Allah azza wa jal is saying they are who then the Masada will not have real law with you
until you follow their Mila, which means you shouldn't be following their Mila. Is that clear? They
make a generic argument from this verse, and the most explicit Hadeeth there's nothing explicit in
the Quran that says don't make the show boycotters, generic stuff like this. But the heady there is
a very explicit heading and it is authentic isn't a Buddha would start embodying Muslim, but it's an
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Buddhahood and that had his mentorship Bobby Coleman, for whom in whom this is the simple headset
that everybody should memorize. It is the the fundamental Hadith that talks about imitation
mentorship, Bobby Coleman for whom, in whom, whoever, to Chabad and to Shabbat means to imitate to
be similar to whoever imitates a group of people shall be counted as amongst them. mentorship by
habit, coalmine for whom in whom whoever imitates a group of people shall be counted amongst them.
And this is the most explicit Hadith that seems to indicate if you're chabahar with Zoroastrians,
then you will be counted amongst as restaurants. If you Tisha with Buddhists, you will be counted
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amongst the Buddhists. So this hadith makes a generic argument, whoever to chabahar whoever imitates
a people shall be counted amongst them. We also have two dozen ahaadeeth a lot of ahaadeeth there's
quite a lot that specifically, prohibit or allow things based on not imitating the others. Okay, can
anybody think of any Hadith that comes to mind? There's, there's a lot
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What about it?
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excellent example, simple example. The issue of Muharram fasting one day
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When he was told that you're hooked fast that one day What did he say?
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Oh, I'm gonna fast two days then shows you what
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doing something different okay? The process for example said that be different from the delicate up,
let your beards grow and trim your mustache because they would let their views grow and grow their
moustache said be different from them, let your beard grow and trim your mustache. The process that
I'm said be different from the who they don't pray in their shoes so you pray in their your shoes,
they hold back then would take their shoes off and the process of instructed Muslims to pray with
their shoes. Ironically, the situation has changed 180 now and they would wear their shoes when they
pray by and large and we are all barefooted over here okay but that we're going to get back to this
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point. So when the process of said this headed there who would would be barefoot when they prayed
but the point is he said be different from the hood. Pray in your shoes. Okay. And the Sahaba for
their entire lives would pray in their shoes the machete will walk into the shoes as you know they
would pray with their shoes on back then. And there are so many other things the process of said be
different from dedicated, put henna and do a spell of your beard espouses to put hand on your beard.
And he dye your beard when your beard goes white it as soon as to dye the beard we should not keep
it fully white as was the custom of the sorry, not that he's the Hollywood machine sorry, be
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different from the machine again, because then we should Kane would like to have full white beard
when you become older. And the process of said that's not the sooner the sooner is to have the is
well or the 10 died in and the editor or workers father as well, as mentioned over here, so don't
imitate the kuffar dye his beard dye the beard. So we have many other instances, as I said around 20
ahaadeeth, where the process of says be different from do this be different from don't do that. So
we have a whole bunch of a hadith that clearly say that we should not be following the ways of other
peoples and also we have the Hadith and Timothy or the Prophet says and criticize later Muslims. And
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he said, you're going to follow the ways of those before you footstep by footstep and inch by inch.
So much so that if they entered the lizard hole, you too will enter the lizard hole. Now there are
so many of these ahaadeeth we should also mention one other headache before we move on. And that is
that all of these ahaadeeth came in late Madani timeframe, not in Makkah and not in early Medina.
And there is a clear reason for this. And even Ibis narrows Sahaja Muslim even Ibis narrates that
the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam loved to agree with the keytab in all those matters that he
was not prohibited from doing so. And so when he migrated to Medina, he parted his hair in the
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middle, like the advocate tab did Hadith in Bukhari and Muslim.
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The advocate up the hood had their hair in a certain way, he followed them. Then, at some time in
the Middle East stage, he began to make Mahadeva. Okay, so this hadith shows us that at one phase of
the serum, in fact, the entire mccunn phase and some of the early Madani phase, there was no
maharlika there was no command to make notice Chabot, this came later on. And this is a key point.
Because our profit system would never have done something that is intrinsically evil. He never drank
alcohol. He never worshipped idols, things that are intrinsically evil, he could never have done.
The fact that at some stage, he was wanting to copy allocator shows that intrinsically, it's not at
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all times at all places evil. Rather, at certain points, something happened. And what was it that
happened? Well, I'll just mention it now. And this is what very few scholars point this out. The
majority of scholars, they just go with the flow, and they just say, oh Mahadeva Mahadeva. But the
fact of the matter isn't, some scholars did point out this switch occurred. And that switch
indicates there was a reason and what is the reason? The reason is the political landscape changed.
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Islam became dominant and powerful, it became its own civilization. When Islam became its own
civilization, then we should set the standard and not follow other standards when Islam was being
persecuted when Islam was the one that's not you know, at the top at this stage right at that stage,
it did not make sense to make ohada it would have been problematic to to oppose and the profitsystem
did not oppose at that time. So the concept and one can also say By the way, one can one can also
say that, at that stage, the process of wanting to
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copy the delicate up because the
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Kitab we're closer to the truth than the pagans. So by copying the advocate up, he is still closer
to the truth than paganism. Now that Islam has become dominant, he doesn't need to show that anymore
at all. And he can now set the standard and move on from that. So the issue of Mahadeva, to the co
founder of being different from the co founder is one that is yes, it is something that does exist
in our tradition. And that many, many scholars have written books about it. And perhaps the most
famous book ever written. And definitely one of the most thorough books ever written,
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is the book by shareholders. And we've been saying here, which is called equity loss. So Dalton was
messed up in the Mahadeva, de vilja. him following the serata, muster team, by going against the
people of jehane. The title of the book tells you following the serrato, muster theme, by making
mohalla, by being different of the people going to jehane, whoever is going to jehane, we don't want
to be like them, we should be other than them. And that's how we're going to be on set autonomous
stopping. Okay, and he establishes in this book, a two volume book, it's a nice chunky volumes, two
volume book, he is a very detailed book, a PhD has been written as well, in some University about
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this, I came across it. And the book is available in Arabic and a summarized version of somewhere in
English, a very summarized version, not the whole book at all. And in this book, he establishes a
psychological and theoretical foundation, to make the argument that the sharp bow is wrong. The
sharp bow is detrimental to one's a man and to one's faith. And he basically says I'm summarizing
the entire two volumes in three minutes, he basically says that it is healthy, for a community to be
associated in each and every way possible, outwardly, and inwardly. You want to be associated with
the people of the truth with the people of your own faith of your own religion. It is He calls it a
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share our a sign of Islam, that you demonstrate your Islam, and others see your Islam, and he gives
examples, like you know, you feel a camaraderie when you see somebody dressed up like you
automatically there's a connection, right? If you're in a strange land, wearing your clothes, you
know, just imagine a Pakistani consensual outcome is early America 6070. It doesn't have any other
clothes, he sees another show about coming, he's in the crowd, what's he going to do? automatically,
there's going to be that connection, right? That connection, even timaeus thing is good to have four
people have a man, what's wrong with it? If you're human, and you have other people of your mind,
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you should strengthen one another in that regard. And he mentioned that this is why our dress
indicates our internal attitude. Why do we dress up? When we go to an event when we go to an
interview? We're not going to go in our pajamas indicate something? Why is there a gear or a room a
code of dress for specific things? So the army, the military, why do they dress in a certain manner,
when they dress up in those army fatigues, they actually get in the spirit of doing and marching and
whatnot, it has an impact, okay, I go scuba all the time when I dress up in my scuba gear, even if
I'm not in the water, I just waiting to get into the water. There's just there. It's human nature
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that you want to do that. So his point is, of course, that Muslims should have that collective
feeling and let people of other faiths dress in their manner, let them be different and dress in
their manner and let people of Islam dress in their manner as well. And of course, he quotes the
famous
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decree of armodafinil hottub,
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which is the the famous decree which has been obviously criticized roundly by many people, because
it goes against modern, you know, the modern nation state and secularism, it definitely does go
against it from that regard. And that is that the last one, he made a decree that people of
different faiths should wear different clothing. This was in his khilafah Muslims should dress like
this. And it is not allowed for them to wear the clothing of the delicate of their handicapped dress
like this. That's their clothing, that's their clothing, they shouldn't dress the way Muslims dress.
So he made a ruling in this regard. And it is called the ruling of Omar and he had a long list of
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issues. And by the way, the ruling of Omar was not universally applied throughout Islam. Okay. It is
very clear. Anybody who says to the contrary, is simply wrong. The bulk of Islamic history was not
applied. Whether you agree with that being valid or not as a separate issue. I'm just saying, as a
factual statement, for the majority of the Obama's existence, civilizations did not enforce these
types of codes of conduct, even though Yes, socially, it was understood, but there was no
enforcement on this. This was something that very rarely took place, but even taymiyah quotes this
as well. And he then spends one volume out of two, talking about celebrations, basically 40%
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The book is about celebrations, even though it's about the Chabot. But where does most of the shabu
occur in these celebrations, and he specifically mentioned the no rules and the various Christian
festivals. And he claimed and of course it says that it is not allowed to celebrate them at all. In
Tamia, by the way, he makes a very interesting tidbit he just mentioned and then moves on. And it
shows you that his argument is much more nuanced than many of his later followers make out. He says
that these laws are contextual, even taymiyah says, and he says that at some times, and some places
to shop with could fall becomes MOBA, or maybe even wajib, or Mr. hub. This is a bin Tamia, who has
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two volumes against the shop bow, he just has one paragraph and then moves on. But it is that one
paragraph that interests us. And he mentioned at some times, at some occasions, to Showboat might be
MOBA might even be Mr. Hat, maybe even it is wajib. And he gives only three or four examples. And
then he moves on because that's not the purpose of his book, and of the examples he gives. For
example, if a Muslim is living in doubt, we'll cover or data hub, and it is going to cause an issue
for him to dress differently. In that case, it becomes Mr. hub to dress like the people. This is
Eben Tamia, who overall was very strict that Muslims should have their dress code. But see, here's
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the problem. And I keep on I've said this many times before that many of the followers have even
taymiyah they actually tarnish the image of Tim even taymiyah. And they just copy and paste his
fatawa without understanding where he's coming from. Even Tamia is writing in Damascus of 700
Digital, he is writing when there is a powerful mameluke civilization. He is writing when there is
an glory, when 90% of the city is going to be Muslim, so very different time and place, and for his
followers to copy and paste snippets, and then apply them in modern secular humanistic democracies
in a very different time and place to simply wrong and that is one of my main arguments in today's
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lecture, that some of these fatawa might be valid when they were uttered by whom they were uttered.
But first was our contextual they are not permanent. They're not the speech of Allah. Allah did not
forbid certain things, certain times in places might have done so. So
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anyway, the point is that bin Timmy does have this book you should be aware of it many other books
were written as well. I'm not going to go over a history of these books written however, realize one
point for most of Islamic history. Muslims lived in Muslim majority lands that were ruled by Islam.
There was a philosopher, a Sultanate an empire, whether it was the Mughal Empire, whether it was the
ultimate Atlantis, whether it was the mum blue, most of the time Muslims are living in Muslim
dominant countries or not even countries and are called countries. The nation state is a modern
construct, as you know, it is a European construct. But the point is that the concept of Muslims
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living as a thriving minority in a lawn Muslim land was very, very rare, almost unheard of before
modernity, as well. The advent of colonisation changed the dynamics of Muslim non Muslim
interaction. So, when the colonizers came, and they didn't come, they invaded Muslim lands. When the
colonizers invaded Muslim lands, the issue of imitating the kafar once again was brought up.
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Think about it. You have people of other faiths coming in, pillaging your country * literally
and metaphorically, your peoples in your lens. Okay, acquiring destroying this and that, in that
context for the last 250 years. Basically, Napoleon basically invaded Egypt in 17 9017 at 1790s. And
that's the beginning of column D at the beginning of official colonization before this, you have
unofficial colonization, where, you know, anyone is not going to there anyway, where was I?
colonization began unofficially 1600s, officially late 1700s. And at that point in time, the issue
of the Shabbos bill could fall once again was brought to the forefront. Why can anybody tell me why
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imitating the kuffar at this point in time, quickly, quick we don't have time Hurry up.
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Okay, so there's a sense of identity here. Against against them. What else?
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is a valid point? What else?
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recognize who's Muslim who's not Okay, what else?
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You are being invaded? Do you want to copy the image invaders?
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What does it show?
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About your own self Iza if the people that have raped and pillaged You are the same people you want
to emulate, think about that.
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There is dignity,
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dignity. It's your dignity at stake here. Have you no shame, Have you no dignity, that the very
people that have destroyed your civilization, you will then put them on a pedestal. Okay, this
notion of there is of Islam came to the forefront. And that is why in the last 250 years, the issue
of the shabu belco far came to the forefront of discussions. In medieval Islam, it's there here and
there been Tamia wrote one book on it is two volumes. But it is not the majority. He wrote,
literally hundreds of volumes. It is not a major source of books and writings in medieval Islam.
It's there. But it's, you know, it's not a big deal. But in the last 250 years, and especially in
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the era of colonization, and now we're talking about this all the time, it changes a lot of things.
And of course, the issue comes as we said of dignity and there is and this is across so this isn't
just an event, a meal or a selfie issue. This transcends any one trend. So for example, the famous
African scholar with man, Dan fodio, who died in 1817, with London phobia was a great alum from from
Africa from the Fulani tribe, and he founded this quarter Empire. And the so called to Empire was a
magnificent empire in Africa that was lasting for 200 something years. And he fought his his empire,
not him himself fought against the British. And this is a very amazing legacy of the Sukkot to
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Empire, the founders Earth man, Dan fodio, and he's writing at a time when the British are invading
and they're colonizing and they're, you know, doing their things whatnot. He writes a treaties
called
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a man mentor shall be added to their Seon warning the people of eemaan from imitating the kofod and
the evil people, another warning book, and he, at this stage, he writes that Muslims should not be
dressing in the style of the colonizers of the people that are basically taking us over. And of
course, it makes complete sense. I mean, these are the people that are literally killing you,
literally. And you're gonna abandon your culture and abandon your people and a sense of inferiority
complex and you're going to dress like them. Okay, complete makes completely sense. And, of course,
earthman danfo do, as we said, it's not just any one trend of Islam. He's a Maliki scholar of the
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shoddy School of Theology of Casa de Sufi, and his writing, in a way that very much allies with him
and Tamia very much, it's really the same spirit. And it's not just molecule called the Shadi in
India, when the British came. Again, there was a very strong movement to oppose the British in
everything that the British had to do. This was something that was very well known, and in
particular, the the obon school and of course, our Indian brothers all know that the obon school and
we should all understand that the Bundy school is a direct reaction to the British Invasion that the
obon madrasa was founded after the mutiny of 1857. Literally, it is literally caused by the collapse
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of the Mughal Empire. So the Deobandi tradition overall. And I say this with respect, I'm not
Deobandi. So it's awkward whenever I talk about another tradition, but I'm equally critical of all
and respectful of all now inshallah no big deal. point is that one needs to understand what is the
mindset of the Deobandi tradition that they opened, is being established literally, after the
British have kicked out and exiled the last Mughal Emperor, and the beautiful dynasty of Islamic
India has collapsed. And the British have now taken over completely. What do you think is going to
be the mindset of the AMA? It's going to be a very closed very angry with the British legitimate?
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How would of course they're going to be angry with the British, of course, there's going to be this
somewhat of a self ism mentality, like I'm not going to do anything with the British. And so many
factors were given at the time that it is held on impermissible to dress like the British act like
the British eat like the British, learn the British language, go to British schools, and why should
they not give such as a tour? You understand that this is now a sense of we are Muslims, they have
come and taken us over. And so for tours were given and at the time, even it was considered held on
by this group of Roma to study in the British schools and of course, the British schools at the time
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were missionary school. So think of that as well. There was an element of conversion wanting to take
place as well. So completely understandable. Okay, my criticism is not to 1857 Belbin is that 1980
the open hasn't changed much. That's the criticism. It's not that it happens.
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It wouldn't happen but the mindset is still the same. And booklets were written I came across one.
Maulvi Abdul hai a surah. T. He wrote a booklet warning the Muslims of India from shaving their
beards, and from wearing coats and pants. And from wearing Andres donkey trophy,
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the hat of the Congress. Okay, this is this is something that is how long to wear the hat of the
British who should wear the Muslim trophy? And not unreasonably trophy. Okay, not the hat of the
British. And again, I mean, this was written 100 what, 100 years ago? More than that, well, of
course, put yourself in the shoes of Indian Muslims. Why would you give up your land, your
civilization, your culture, and want to emulate a group of people that have destroyed the old
Emperor? Empire? Think about makes 110% sense. And and this guy, of course is a hanafy Deobandi
would not he's not some, you know. And the reason I say that because some people say, Oh, this is
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just a selfie thing, the invitation to go for No, it's universal in Islam. And another last example,
when a tattoed came along, this enemy of Islam, he came along he abolished the caliphate, and he
forbade Muslims from wearing their Islamic headgear. And he mandated in the 1923 or four he mandated
all men must wear English cap, English hats, because you know, in that day, Westerners all wore
their their hats
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is well known. I mean, you look up any any black and white movie, any Westerner wants your movie,
why are they wearing hats? It was the custom of the day to wear that cap. So I totally you should
know this at a total legislated that every Turkish male must wear European hat. What do you think
you're an American to say tell me
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how long is how long? We are Turks. We have our Who are you to come and tell us to wear. And so a
certain * octave Jolla, he wrote a pamphlet in which he claimed that wearing such a hat is a sign
of the one who is morally bankrupt. No, Mr. nota.
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So the hat becomes the sign of moral bankruptcy. And you know what, I agree with that, for the time
and place, very legitimate for tour complete. Makes sense, okay. And, by the way, he himself in the
* * art of hajah. He writes in his pamphlet that he is one of the few that mentions that the
Prophet says that he was the one who initially he wanted to copy the hierarchy tab, then when the
power balance shifted in the favor of Islam, then he wanted to be different from the allocate tab,
what he's implying is that the total was doing the opposite, that the power balance is the opposite.
Now, now you have an inferiority complex. And you want to do the other way. And so we have these
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types of treatises written in Egypt, in Damascus, in India, in Istanbul, and it makes complete
sense. But the issue we need to ask ourselves is,
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is it Islamic, to copy and paste those photos from those times in places and then put them and bring
them into our time and place? Once upon a time, dressing like a European was something that only
Europeans did? No Muslim dress like that. And there were no Muslims in Europe in large quantities,
and it was a Muslim land. So for Muslims in Muslim lands, to give up their culture, their habits,
their language, and take on the language of the colonizer will lie there is no doubt this is
inferiority complex. And we worry about inferiority complex of a man and not just a very complex of
civilization. Okay, this is very clear. But that was over a century ago, more than a century ago.
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And since that time and place, obviously, much has changed, much has changed. And based on that,
therefore, our scholars themselves have also begun to change. Realize that it wasn't just coats and
hats, for tours were given at the time, believe it or not, that wearing watches was held on to,
because it was not something that Muslims did, okay, that was given to many different natures in
this regard. But as we said, one needs to understand at that time and place to do something
different from your people indicated something, even taymiyah himself writes and now I quote that
paragraph. If a Muslim is endowed with how to born in the land of non Muslims, then in that case, he
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is not required to appear differently from the people. And then he mentioned reasons and whatnot.
And this is something that again, was understood. The famous Egyptian scholar Mohammed Abdullah
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Well, he was asked more than 100 years ago, Muslims in South Africa, South African Muslims, I spoke
about them a few months ago as well. Muslims from South Africa, they were wearing the European style
hat. And he was asked this fatwa is it helpful to wear the European style hat in South Africa, and
he gave the fatwa that it is permissible for them to do that, because it shields them from the sun,
because the situation is different, etc, etc. Now, we see therefore, that we do have these rules of
not imitating the kuffaar. But looking at the text and the context, we can derive four principles,
okay. And these are the four principles that we'll use before I move on to the final point, which is
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the issue of celebrations. Firstly,
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the primary prohibition of imitating the kuffaar deals with rites of worship and religious
festivals. Therefore, anything that is religious of another religion, the default is that it is how
long, any ritual, any worship that they do, any festival that they do. If a person does the
religious ritual that is unique to that ritual, there is no doubt they have fallen into how Tom and
if they do it, thinking Allah will reward them, then it is how Tom and Rita if they do it from a
religious perspective, it says hold on and be done. And if you now go back to those 20 Hadith I
mentioned, almost all of them deal with specific rituals. Some of them are customs, but almost all
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of them deal with rituals. So, the first rule, the default is that imitating the religious rituals
of other faiths is how Tom and this is what those ahaadeeth primarily referred to. Secondly, the
chable imitation can only occur to that which is unique and specific to a particular faith or
civilization, not when it is generic to large groups of mankind,
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that Chabot has to be done for something, whether it is an action or it is a Libous or it is a
festival that is unique to one group of people, if it is done by large segments of different
civilizations, there is no to Chabot, because it is generic. And many examples are here, any type of
cuisine, any type of technology, any type of mechanism that people live by, that they adopt from
other civilizations and cultures, there is no to Cheb bow when it is not unique to one civilization,
if large segments of the world are doing something such that it is not recognizable to be one
civilizations, then there is no Tisha bow, mentorship, Bobby Coleman, for whom in whom there has to
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be a comb that you're making a fish out of. And there are many examples of this. You know, this
segment of the law has suggestion to build a ditch. Where did it come from?
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The Persians did the President say, Oh, I'm not going to do that. No. The issue came of the process
of wearing a ring with a stamp on it. The first time he wrote a letter to heraclius. They said to
him, the Sahaba said Yasuda law, it is the custom of those people that they will never accept a
letter from a ruler, except that there's a wax seal on it. So the President didn't say, oh, there's
your boo boo, far I can't do it. He said, Okay. Make us ring for me, Mohammed Rasulullah, as we
know, so I said him, he made that ring, he put the wax seal, he sent it to heraclius. There is no
Tisha boo, this is the culture of the world. That's what everybody does. So he did it. Okay. And so
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many other things as well. I mean, cuisine wise or process will never age rice in his whole life. He
never ate rice, is somebody gonna say is to Chabot to eat rice? No. eating rice is not of one
civilization. It's generic food, nothing to shortbow in this as well. So, we said that the issue of
the Chabot It must be something that is unique to a specific faith, a specific civilization. Also,
it is very important to note and even Nakayama himself mentions this, that the whole issue of
looking different needs to be taken into the context that our Prophet says of himself did not look
radically different from his own people.
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This is something that a lot of those who talk about the show Buble could fall they ignore.
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When the process of said don't make the show Buble kuffaar. What was he wearing?
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The same clothes as the crush of maca, the exact same foods. He did not bring about a fashion
revolution. Think about this is something that the more
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stricter strand, for example, that they always want to say don't don't don't, they don't understand
the context even of the original ahaadeeth. The Arabs dressed in a certain manner, I would process
them without them. Here's the point. mentorship, Bobby Coleman for who among whom is not necessarily
evil all the time.
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Whoever imitates a group is of them, the process of imitated the outcome is the outcome, yes or no.
Whoever imitates the outcomes of them is an outcome. Is that a problem? No. See, this is the point
that some group of scholars, again, this is hosting. I mean, they try their best, but you have to be
a little bit more broad in your understanding of what's coming going on here. If not by him himself,
man, this isn't some left wing progressive talk, even if they have himself mentions in his book.
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This is not to that comment of them, it'll come to me No, I think
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he mentions that the apostle when it comes to the clothing, the base default, and the sooner is that
the person wears the clothes of his people, as long as it is allowed to do so. Obviously, if you're
in a land that doesn't have clothes, it's not sooner to go naked. So as long as it is allowed to do
so, our Profit System dressed in the clothing of his people,
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and he dressed up in accordance with the clothing of his people.
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How does that when the process of visited when dignitaries visited, he had a special Yemeni cloak he
would wear for them? This is dressing up. Now who told our process that um, that a Yemeni cloak is
considered dressing up? Did he invent that? Or was that the custom of the time? You see, it was the
custom of the time, Yemen was a better civilization than Hejaz at that time. And Yemen had better
cloth and better, you know, embroidery. So the Yemeni cloth, the Yemeni shawl on top was a better
garment. So when delegations would come, he would wear Yemeni, the Yemeni shawl on top, he is
dressing up in accordance with the culture of his time.
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So once again, the problem comes, these are allama, who talked about the shampoo will go far.
There's nothing wrong with the shampoo with your own people, when the peoples are generic, like the
process of himself. If we want to dress up, we will wear a jacket or coat a suit. This is our
culture. And that is why I say it is sooner meaning sooner in the sense of what a processor would do
it is sooner to dress in accordance with the culture of your peoples. And it is a problem that some
of our dilemma, make it something embedded in the minds of the people that anybody who dresses like
this cannot be a person of knowledge. He must be dressed. And here's the irony, if you want to look
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at where a person is coming from, look at the clothing of their ulama.
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So people have certain persuasion will dress in the quarter she wore white with the turban you know,
and they go back to 1700 India, and that's the sooner for them. Others are going to be dressing in a
Moroccan you know, so with the type of turban and that's basically 1800 Morocco, others are going to
dress like the Saudi styles of the 1700s they think that is the sun. And each one of their
suddenness is essentially their founders have their own tradition. And they think this is the
default and they don't see the process and himself never wore the clothes that they think is the
Sunnah never not even the thought that they were because that fine cotton that they're wearing with
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the nice buttons Made in Italy with the beautiful sinuata that the way and the underwear let's not
forget that as well. Right because again, let's be honest here see and again I have to some to be a
little bit facetious a little bit sarcastic because it is irritating that the very people who tell
us don't jump Udo they fall into it man hated I hated lotion without even understanding. Okay, look
at the watches that they're wearing. Okay, look at the pens that they have look at where is it
coming from? The small things, you know that the jacket even on the top, there's going to be a
jacket, where did that come from? So, in their own way, they are taking even as they tell us living
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in western lens to follow them in their clouds thinking it is the sun No, it is not the sun. And if
you understand this point, then as we said, the shub book can only take place Rule number two and
something that is unique and specific to a particular faith or a particular civilization. pants and
shirts are now no longer a part of one civilization.
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In 1700 50, mortal India, yes it was. Why would an Indian in 1700 Delhi will dress like the undress.
Why? No reason. But times have changed and that footwork is no longer applicable. There is no
inferiority complex anymore. We dress up because this is the way we
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We dress up. There's no notion of that us and them anymore. The anger is have not only left India we
are in their lands now. Okay? This whole anger is is the British, the anger is are no longer in
India well, indirectly at least but they're not directly in India we are now in their lands whole
situation has changed. So this is the second rule. The third rule here
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is that there is no two Cheb bull without an intention for two chable you cannot have the shop bow
without wanting to have the shampoo. In other words, something that's just happening, something that
you just do can never be the shampoo, how two points are actually I would say three points number
one, the word the chable means there is an extra effort, because little bit advanced Arabic here but
just bear with me. There tshabalala was Nita far to Pharrell means you did something to get there.
The Sha Bo means to be similar, intentionally or unintentionally. That Chabot, you want it to be
similar. The word used is the shabu not the shadow and the shadow means to be similar. Our process
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of did not forbid the shabu he forbade to Chabot the Showboat means you go out of your way. And you
intend, I want to copy that person. Anything that you do, just because you're doing it, because
everybody's doing it. That's not to shop. Also, we say intimate our melburnians actions about
intentions. And so if there is no intention for the job, then it is not to Chabot. And of course,
there's something some of the classical scholars as well said in Aberdeen, a famous Hanafi alum. He
mentions in his book that the Shabbat is only mcru, when the issue itself is blameworthy and when
the intention is to imitate when the intention is to imitate when the intention is not to imitate
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and the issue is generic. What Claudio, what food you're going to eat. There's no tissue book in
this regard. Therefore, that which occurs naturally, amongst any groups of people, this might be the
SHA bow, but it is not the shadow. And the shadow is not how long the shadow is how long fourthly
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that which is no longer unique to non Muslims is no longer how long to imitate something that might
have been unique in the past, but is no longer unique. Now, it is no longer how long to imitate. And
this is something again, this isn't something I'm inventing. Classical Rhoda mentioned many examples
in medieval times the problem comes in I say this with utmost respect. Many of our dilemma still
their mindset is in medieval times, they cut and paste those fatawa. And they stick to them without
allowing their own intellects to think about the context of fatawa and broaden not all of them. But
some or many of them are like this. And this is unfortunately, in my humble opinion, listen to my
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lectures enough to know, this is one of the reasons why Unfortunately, there is a disconnect between
many of the scholars and between the populations of Muslims, a lot of times the scholars with my
utmost respect to them, they are operating in their own little circles of influence amongst their
very practicing very hardcore conservative Muslims, and the rest of the oma is disconnected from
them. And there are reasons for this one of them being again, anyway, so this is why my criticism
here, when the situation changes, and it is no longer unique to the kuffaar, then it is no longer
prohibited to imitate. And this is why you see me dressed up in this manner over here. Whereas I
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myself 200 years ago would have fully agreed with the fact was that it is wrong to dress up like
this, because dressing up like this 200 years ago would imply something very different.
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In India, in Ottoman Turkey, in Damascus, whereas now times in places have changed. And again, this
isn't anything new. For example, there are many us out of the the Sahaba. Some even say there's life
already but there are a thought of the Sahaba there are definitely you know statements
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where
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we wearing a certain type of cap, which is called a tie Elisa was considered to be something not
good to do. However, this tie is a cap was worn by the Jews of a certain place, however, and it
resembles the type of frankly frankly the Shema that some of this Rudy's wear these days, something
similar to that, okay, and many other cultures were okay, it resembles like that. But the Toyota was
considered to be forbidden or mcru by many of the classical irlam other first two, three generations
because it was something that Yahoo did. Slowly but surely the Muslims kept on wearing wearing
wearing until it became something they themselves did. Even hedger comments on this prohibition, and
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he says, this would only have been forbidden when the teologia was something that
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was only worn by the Jews. But that is no longer the case now, so it is permissible to wear it.
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This is even hedgerow writing, not some left field progressive guy. And in fact, one of the famous
scholars of Hadith was called Imam of piety. See, because he was known from a family of this, he was
called a Mamet play Odyssey. And the same goes for many other issues. Mm hmm. For example, and some
of the earliest scholars, many of the early scholars, even some Sahaba, they insisted that Muslims
were their turbans with the technique, and technique means you take it over here, and you take it
under your beard, and you throw it behind. Okay, so this is the technique, it goes underneath it.
And they said that it is makrooh. It shouldn't be done that you don't practice the technique. This
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is the first generation this was the Hejazi style of wearing the turban let's say, well as Islam
spread, people wore turbans in different manners, and people would, you know, cut off the tail, and
we're only the turban. And that version, in the time of the first generations was not done by the
Arabs, it was done by the iGEM or other people. And there are a thought from the early Sahaba into
your own to not dress with the turf. There's not no headache, there's no hiding. It's just so have
the tab your own and imams to have to panic. Later scholars said no big deal if you do it too many
ignore no big deal. What happened, people just kept on wearing wearing when until finally it became
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something that is permitted. So therefore,
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it is very, very clear that our scholars understood that something might be the Chabot in one time
or one place or one land, but it is not the Chabot in another time or another place or another land.
And that is I think where unfortunately, a lot of times when you hear these how long it was, those
scholars are not following this simple rule. Certain things might have been to Chabot they're no
longer to Shabaab. Now, this is pretty clear. But let's get to the final issue before we get to the
actual the actual, we haven't even done the reads yet. We're going to do that in a while in the
show. Don't worry, we'll get it done today. So let's get to the final issue. We talked about a
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culture ceasing to be unique to non Muslims like the libous. What if a religious ritual ceases to be
a religious ritual? You see the difference between the Libous and the ritual? What is something that
used to be from the Dean of the non Muslims? slowly over time, stopped to be from their Deen and
became something from their culture?
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This is the key point here. Okay.
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Does the ruling
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is it related to the origin? such that no matter what happens, we will go back to the origin? Or is
the ruling related to how people perceive it? such that if it's ritual, it will be ritual? And if it
is custom, it will be custom? Remember, rule number one was rituals or how long to imitate? That's
rule number one, right? Well, what if it used to be a ritual but it is now a custom and no longer
ritual? Okay, here is where we have two camps. Here is where we had two schools of thought,
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a well known position, and this is the one that basically makes the celebrations How long is that it
doesn't matter how people view it, we go back to the origin. And if the origin is pagan, then the
ritual will be pagan, even if it is no longer practice has paganism.
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And this is the basis of which many celebrations are considered to be huddled. And you will read
this in any footwear that makes it how long they will go back to its origin, the look up some book,
a lot of times, it's not even true. Sometimes there might be true, it's not irrelevant whether it's
true or not. But the point is that the heading is based on its origin. And they say are what is the
origin of birthdays? What is the origin of no rules? What is the origin of New Years? What is the
origin of this and that, and they will go and link it to something pagan, the famous photo, you've
all heard of what is the origin of the ties, even though this is a myth, the origin of the ties is
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not the cross but still the photo was given. And so it's still common in our days to hear it, the
ties used to be a Christian symbol, and therefore it is how long because the origin is,
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you know, a Christian symbol, so they will link it to the origin. However,
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I respectfully disagree with that. And I say that it is very clear looking at the shitty and that
lived realities and I'll explain it is very clear. And in my mind, personally it is crystal clear.
And this is the position of frankly, frankly, the majority of scholars have
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world beyond one strand of Islam. There's one strand that is very hardcore on this. But the majority
of scholars the world beyond that strand, they they don't view it this way. They say that what is
considered to be a custom is a custom regardless of its origin being a ritual. You look at the knee
in the men are madhubani yet you look at the NEA and they actually bring the evidence of the hadith
of wanna remember this the slaughter of the camel, they bring that back as an interesting point
here. In one version when the man comes and says to the process, I want to slaughter a Cambodian
bawana. In one version, Eben Marja, the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam says, Do you find
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something of Jamelia still in your heart in Botswana? And the man says no. So the problem is that in
that case, go to one.
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Notice what he linked it to do you find some of the feelings of joy helliya. Do you still have that
veneration? Is that something why Bwana? What is there? Is that something you're linking to JD said
no. In that case, then go. So Nia matters, not that Bwana might have been a pagan land 1000 years
ago, the man did not feel any attachment, religiously to born. Do you have anything in your heart to
jelly? No, okay, then go do it. This Hadith Isn't it weird magic. And from this, I would say the
majority of scholars beyond that one strand that thinks they're following even taymiyah. But I don't
think the following have been Tamia, that one strand, they beyond that one strand, they basically
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say, we don't look at the origin 15,000 years ago, 5000 years ago, 2000 years ago, we look at the
lived reality. And based on that, therefore, they say, if the people don't view this as being a
ritual, and they view it as being a custom, then we will view it as being a custom and not a ritual.
And this is I would say the lived experience actual reality of human beings. Let us look at the
issue of birthdays. Who in the world celebrates a birthday? Thinking of some type of paganism?
Nobody, even pagans who do pagan stuff, don't do birthdays with the Neo paganism. They go to the
woods and do whatever they do. They don't do birthdays, rituals of paganism are gone. By the way. I
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don't even know if it is true. Because to be brutally honest, a lot of times these photos they find
hodgepodge type of things and they bring them in academic studies need to be done that are a little
bit more thorough. Is it really something that is 100% solely coming out of paganism, but even if it
is, even if it is, it doesn't change the fact that it is no longer done. So those scholars who say
let's look at the origin, they will also say for example, you cannot buy Nike, Nike is how long?
It's a well known factor. Why is Nike how long according to this group? Because the guy who you
know, made Nike where's the Nike guy who works here? Where's our Nike guy? He's not here, huh?
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We have three people from Nike and our machines my shoulder, do you not know that? They should get
free free free Nike gifts that humble as well. If you if you if you know them? Well, they'll give
you a free Nike shoe. Give them your shoe size, size. So they say Nike has held on why is Nike hat
on? Because that swoosh is the symbol of
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what is the symbol of
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Which one? You're the Nike guy? Yeah, see, here we have the Nike guy, okay?
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No, don't worry, I'm not gonna say, Don't worry, you can raise your hand.
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You should know the symbol of your own company.
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It is the Greek god of victory. It is the Greek god of victory. Now,
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to believe that somebody is going to buy Nike to venerate the Greek god of victory, and to put the
God on his shoe to venerate it. I mean, you tell me Does this make sense to you?
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But see, this is again the problem of May Allah bless all of our own Ummah, but I have to say, See
these types of fatwas. Unfortunately, what they do, they disconnect the masses from their dilemma.
This is the problem. They disconnect the masters from the aroma and the fatwa is baseless. It's not
based in academic training of Islam. Somebody is going to put a symbol of a god on his shoe to
respect the god what type so that's their photo. They said Colossus comes from there. But you see
these same people that say wearing Nike is how long the same groups of people, they will have no
problems talking about the days of the week and the days of the month, which are all variations of
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gods. Sunday is the sun god Monday, the moon God Thursday, the God of for the Nordic God. Wednesday
is Warden Odin, the God of the Nordics Warden is Wednesday, every single day of the week and I'm not
this is the reality look it up
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the months as well. Every
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On June, July, August is veneration of somebody veneration of a false god. And we're using this all
the time. From their perspective, it should be held on to say Monday.
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But Who says that? Because they can't. And so again, because we have to look at the reality of how
the culture is done, not the origin. And again, I mean, there are rituals in every single religion
that have faded out and become culture without exception. And I'll give you an example from our own
cultures the Mandy, right? The Mandy, that happens in the weddings. Okay. And for the non DC folks
here, there's a it is it is mandatory in our culture wajib
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no Ford and Henry Ford, you cannot have and this is something that even the most practicing ultra
conservative Deobandi Salafi, shadie, whatever they will all do, it doesn't matter.
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They will do the mandate, what is the Mandy, it is a celebration, where henna is put in elaborate
designs on the body of the and the hand in the face and the feet of the of the bride. Okay. Now, it
is well known that the origin of the Mandy is Vedic Hindu practices. It is well known look this up,
that the origin is to venerate the sun by drawing symbols of the sun. That's why these intricate
things are done in the color of the sun, the yellow and whatnot, right? And the tumeric and all of
this is done there. It is coming straight out of Vedic practices in ancient Hinduism. But even
Hindus these days don't even do it with that is gone. And Bangladeshis have it as well. Right,
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Mandy, and Nepalis and Pakistanis and Indians, we all are doing it.
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And we are Sikhs, Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu is all gone now. The ritual has lost its ritual meaning
and has become something that is cultural. So the vertical based on the culture and not on the
origin, man, these are halal.
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What happens in there might be her arm, that's something else. But the Mandy itself is Helen. Okay.
See, that's the point. So we look at what is going on over here. So based on all of this, I
mentioned four rules, we can summarize the issue of the sharp bow and then move on to celebrations.
In reality, the sharp bow applies in two and only two scenarios. That's it, that the sharper that is
how long, only two things. Number one, when there is something unique to a religion, and the only
thing that's unique to religion is the rituals and festivals of a religious nature. Wearing a cross
is a religion. Okay, having the skullcap is a religious thing, that type of skullcap. Okay, the
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Buddhist
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yellowish thing. Okay.
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menorah is a particular religion. So that's or going to the church or synagogue. This is a religious
ritual, the Shabbat and that is clearly not something we do.
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And number two, when a Muslim intentionally goes out of his culture and civilization, in order to
feel a sense of pride, in a non in a civilized history of culture other than his own, this is an
inferiority complex. That is how long because you should take it in his own people. Simple as that.
If he happens to be of those people, like the profitsystem was out of like we are Americans. There
is no Tisha book, when we dress like our own people.
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We're not going out of our way to dress like someone but somebody else in order and also as even
taymiyah said, even if a Muslim or to be visiting their lands, that he's not doing it to get his is
doing it to get bike through customs without the boat aside, being dressed in an open a turban or
something. No problem there. Islam's not that strict. This is urban Tamia writing the same guy who
wrote two volumes on if that almost stopped him. But again, his followers don't really read him,
they cut and paste from him. They don't read him as I criticize those groups of people that they
only read him and they may they don't think even to me, they just you know, they don't really
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understand even to me in any case. So now we get to after all of this, the conclusions of the actual
age. Okay. So with that very necessary Prelude of the show before we get to the issue of
celebrations, and we'll mention four
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four aspects number one, celebrating a celebration yourself celebrating a celebration yourself.
There are four types of celebrations. The first, any celebration that is personal and private. That
is
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Something that is not communal, and something that is not religious. any personal or private
celebration that has nothing to do with the religion has nothing to do with Islam. Islam is not
making it out or headed or Maputo or MOBA, the celebration is neutral. The Shetty I did not dictate
personal celebrations. There's nothing in the Sharia that dictates anything about personal
celebrations. There are Hadith about Allah substituting tour EADS, as we're going to come to if
anything, it is a communal, a personal celebration cannot be a bitter because there's no religion
involved. And
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the Sherry, I did not dictate when you can be happy. And when you can throw a party and invite
friends over. There's nothing in it. for or against this, it is neutral. So if you graduate and you
want to have a festival, go ahead. If you get a new house or festival, go ahead. If you're bored and
you want to have a festival, go ahead.
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If you think it is the day you were born, or whatever your birthday and you want to have a festival,
go ahead. The Shetty is not telling you anything about this.
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There's nothing in and of itself that forbids it. And therefore these personal celebrations, and in
particular, the two most famous ones are birthdays and anniversaries. There is nothing in the shady
are to forbid them. Now, the group says it is better. We say
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with utmost respect, this is the weakest argument it cannot be better. Because when you celebrate
the birthday of your five year old kid, do you expect a lot to reward you for that? Is it a part of
the religion? No, you have not understood the meaning of beta with my utmost respect even though you
might be more knowledgeable than me and the million one feels it can't be better. This is just
wrong. Number two, they're gonna say oh, this is the shampoo with the kuffaar.
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So, we got rid of the issue is better they say number two is the shampoo for Well, we already we
already explained in a lot of detail that there can be no to Chabot when it is something that is
done by large groups of people transcending any civilization. And we said that even if the origin
was pagan, if nobody is understanding paganism, and it is a generic ritual, there is no touchable so
the Cheb book cannot be there. There is no Tisha born in eating hamburgers and french fries. There's
no to Shabbat and liking cheesecake. There's no to Sheboygan dressing like this and speaking English
there is no trouble in celebrating birthdays cannot be to shuffle. We understood this point with
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that. Then they say oh, but the origin is pagan. We already explained the origin is pagan means
nothing. Because Tuesday's also pagan, and we all know what Tuesday is okay? Then they say oh, but
birthdays and anniversaries have intermixing and shut off and how long things would we say to this?
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Drink water.
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Don't make something how long because of something that is obviously Haram in something else. Don't
mix and match. Don't pick and choose like this way. Okay? Make it *, I'll keep it Hello, then do
that. Then they say oh, but there's is so often waste of money.
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To which we say who amongst us is safe from that? Why are you picking and choosing this one battle
and ignoring the Seraph in your wardrobe? These are often going out to restaurants, this trough and
this and that. And then you want to prohibit the five year old birthday firewheel child's birthday
is like this off, be fair,
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birthdays or holiday? Because there's nothing to make them out. Is that clear? The default
everything. You have to prove it's wrong, and anything they throw at you. And I've been saying this
for more than a decade is nothing new. You're hearing from me, but because people are so sensitive
in this regard. It cannot be a short book. And it's ironic you're speaking to me in English wearing
pants and shirt living in America and you're talking about birthdays being fashionable. What do you
mean again, think about this. It's not the job. It's a generic thing that everybody is doing. It's
nothing to do with any paganism. On top of this. On top of this, certain types of these celebrations
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can actually bring a positive goal that the Shetty I once loved between families.
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anniversaries are of the most easiest ways to win your wife's heart back Mashallah to botica Please
don't forget your anniversaries right? I say it is sooner meaning meaning not sooner, like so now
here meaning the goals of the Shetty astronaut the presidents and obviously, it is of the goals of
the city to celebrate your anniversary quote me on that no problem. It is of the goals of the
shediac to celebrate your anniversary. Why not have the goals of the city to bring love between a
couple
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And Allah created women that way they love these dates us we don't even think about the days that's
the problem right? Make sure you put the date in your calendar 10 times the put it right now like
whatever is your anniversary like there and then surprise go out have a nice party do something
highlight obviously no Shut up, just drink some some grape juice, no problem, keep it holla. But
celebrate, why not? What is wrong? How can this surely I forbid, a celebration between a husband and
wife that will increase their love. Think about, again, those Rola dead make a heroine based on
what. So we say all of this is completely, there's no basis to make it how to play it. We talked
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about the four types of slivers number one personal celebrations, number two celebrations that are
of a communal nature, but our non religious, Fourth of July, or national days and Muslim lands or
whatnot. So a group of scholars say that it is how long again, as we as we said, and they quote the
Hadith Allah has given you two days better than those two days.
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I understand where they're coming from. And frankly, let me be frank here, when it comes to joint
communal civilizational holidays, they have a better point because the Hadeeth can be understood to
apply to communal holidays. They are hadith of Allah has given you to is better than those trees
cannot be used for birthdays. Because it's not an IED where people come together. It's your personal
house, or your whatever you get a moment, it's not a communal holiday, which is an eight. It's not
the gathering of people is the gathering of your friends, a national secular day, I can understand
the argument, nonetheless. And therefore some animosity from other odema say makuu. And that makes
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sense to me. And yet others say that in and of itself, as long as there's no religion involved, it
cannot be bitter because there is no religion, right? And if it is done for any other goal or
whatnot, it becomes mobile or whatnot or even mcru. But the point is to argue that it is haram is
simply a big word. Where did you get out on from even the Hadith, Allah has substituted your two
days for to better days does not indicate the heading substitution does not indicate the heading. If
the process of had one to two, he could have said very easily. Allah has forbidden any reads other
than our two reads. And that would have it that wording. We could have forbidden any national
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secular holiday, that wording but he didn't. He talked about two religious festivals of Jamelia. And
he said those two religious festivals, get rid of them. And Allah has given you two better religious
festivals. So religious festivals we already agree we're going to come to this as well. So bottom
line, generic and and by the way, we're talking about you celebrating meaning you're doing it if you
are the president of the country, should you endorse a secular this we're talking about? We're going
to come to number two which is attending. We don't do the Fourth of July. We are we are witnessing
there's a difference between the two. We don't do Thanksgiving we're witnessing there's a
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difference. We're talking about you instituting that. Maybe it's mcru. Maybe it's mobile. Definitely
not hold on. And definitely not watch it okay. We can eliminate those two mcru to MOBA is where I
would say a secular holiday you instituting it? Okay. Number three, a holiday that is uniquely
religious. Here we have no problem saying this is where the shred er says, No.
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We do not celebrate Diwali.
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We do not celebrate a festival to another god.
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And we do not celebrate Christmas. as Muslims. We do not Institute those celebrations. We don't
bring the tree into our house and hang but we don't do that. It's not our religion to do that.
That's what they do. We have ours. So clearly, that's religious celebrations. That is head on.
Number four is a celebration that is in between two and three. That's the problem. Okay, or one and
three. Little bit of this little bit of that. Such as Thanksgiving, such as Halloween. It's not
clear cut secular, Fourth of July.
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And it's not clear cut. What I said thanks. Sorry. Let me take the by Thanksgiving I would say a
secular sorry. Let me take that back. Because Thanksgiving, there's no there's no particular
religion per se right. That was a mistake a slip of the tongue. I didn't mean to say Thanksgiving.
Halloween is the example I have in mind. Because Halloween clearly has certain religious
connotations.
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And it was meant as a religious festival. And to this day, segments of mankind celebrate that day as
a religious festival.
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To this day, not only that,
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But the issue comes of intentionally wanting to dress like Sheldon and whatnot. And there, it's not
clear cut because you know, 99% of the people who celebrate Halloween have no religion in mind. But
that 1% is there. And there is that connotation with Shelton and whatnot. And really because of
this, I cannot say clear cut how long and I cannot say clear cut MOBA. It's something that is. And
here's another question. We gave the example of Halloween, but in some lines, and I predict in
America even in 50 years Halloween might become a secular festival.
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When it does, there is no question that the ruling will be based upon how people perceive perceive
it and now and not how its origins were. But right now.
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Right now Christmas is a
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Christmas is a religious festival. Right now, by and large still in America, by the way, I mean,
Europe is different. Some places of Europe is already becoming secular. Okay? Hmm. Oh, no, no, I
meant Christmas. Sorry. Take that back. Christmas. I meant Christmas.
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Christmas is category three.
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In 50 years, Christmas might become category two, is what I meant to say scrub that scrub that
rewind. I was saying that. Right now Halloween is category for Christmas. It's category three. Is
that clear? category three is Pure religion, four is vague. Maybe in 50 years, Christmas might
become another category.
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That's what I'm saying. When it does, then the ruling will be based upon that. If a time comes when
Christmas no longer has anything to do with the birth of Jesus Christ, just like the men, they no
longer celebrates the sun.
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Our sisters did not even know until I said to them that this is celebrating the Sun God didn't even
know it. And I know some of they're gonna feel guilty when they do it. But they don't need to feel
guilty. Nothing to feel guilty about is no big deal. So if Christmas were to leave all Christian
connotations, and it seems like that's heading that way, then at that time, the verdict will be
different for Christmas. And in the interim, there's going to be a gray area that we're currently
seeing. So this is the first thing you celebrating. The second thing, you are attending the
celebration, you witnessing the celebration, this is much more easier. Because you're not doing it,
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you're seeing it and attending. So we're talking about now only religious because we already said
personal private, nothing of the shittier going to birthday parties, nothing wrong with there's
nothing that surely has nothing to do with that. Unless the * is going on there. Then it's to
what the * I'm not with the birthday party. So we're talking about attending religious festivals.
Now. There are a number of artha of the study room and the setup that discouraged attending
festivals. And they even interpreted a verse of the Quran, well, Edina, Elijah Luna zoo, they don't
attend religious festivals. And there's no question that Muslims should not be going to holy sites
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and participating in rituals of other faith traditions, there is no question about this, we do not
go to the Ganges River, how disgusting, you know, things happen there, as we know, they burn bodies,
and they leave them there, you know, is filled for us not just and
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and that thing is very, not very clean, we do not go and dip ourselves thinking is going to be holy,
do we? We don't do that. Okay, we don't go to a temple and give puja to the gods I would have been.
So to go on their holy day, of course, is not going to be something we do. So that's very clear. We
do not go to the festival locations. However, how about going to family festivals that are meant to
be in reminiscent of the religious one, going to a church on Christmas to celebrate, you know, the
festival, religiously. It's not the same as going to a family's house that is having a family event
okay. Not the same thing. How about going to that family event? There is no question that Muslims
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should not Institute these festivals in their houses, we said this. And generally speaking,
generally speaking, we should avoid these types of festivals even on a private scale because they
are primarily religious still. But a number of our scholars and this is m Jo, which is a very
conservative body have also said that if a convert wants to attend the Festival of their family on
that day, their ruling is not the ruling of the Muslim born and raised here and he's making
Christmas in his house. Big difference between the two, a convert that's the one day of the year
their whole family comes together. Right? You're a second cousin and your third on twice removed and
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you're Matilda odd whatever they come as the one day of their they're all going to come from across
the country and they're going to sit together and you're the only Muslim What a great opportunity to
be yourself and show them who you are. It is foolish to forbid a convert
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To go to their families festival, but with the condition that they don't participate in, and what
and the actual ritual, and the photo is from Amgen many bodies that the Convert can go to their
personal now, how about office festivals? office festivals are not religious, even if they occur
around religious holidays. And everybody who works in an office knows this only some Rola who have
never worked in corporate America think otherwise, brutally honest, I'm just being anybody who works
in the real world knows that festivals at Christmas time in your office have nothing to do with
Christmas, even if the icons are there, but Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, atheists, agnostics, it is a
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festival of the office, it's not worshipping Jesus Christ.
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So there's nothing wrong with you being in that environment. And there are no rituals. It's not even
allowed in America, for them to have rituals on the employees over there. You can actually you know,
take cause them into trouble. So no problem being a part of a generic festival that happens to
coincide with their one that is not religious. Is that clear? And Imam Ahmed very strict item
generally speaking, great scholar said and this is in the book of Hillel via mohana about witnessing
Christian celebrations by going to the bazaar there's a Christian celebration going on. The bazaar
is a festive place there's going to be you know things going on whatever you can imagine jugglers,
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whatever going in witnessing a mama had said, if they're in the bazaar, and they don't go to the
church. I don't see a problem with that.
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This is your mama. Fireworks on the Fourth of July, not even religion. Nothing wrong with that.
Okay, we're walking in the bazaar, and the Macy's parade is going on on the 25th they have the tree
I say Oh, just the tree and the light. You're just looking at it. Nothing wrong with that, per se.
You're just seeing it you're not being a part of the of the ritual. And in fact, we can even say
therefore there's nothing wrong with taking advantage of Christmas sales.
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No problem. Religious Lama, there's no problem. And Mr. Mohammed was asked about this use you can
buy it didn't they me, I said you can buy on their holy days, even if it was a big trick straight.
He said don't sell to them on their holidays. Because he was in his mind. He was saying if you sell
they're going to use it in their shirt, but in these days, who does that anymore? So anyway, that
was his first one disregard by him. So that's attending a festival number three, congratulating them
on their festival. I know we're late inshallah, we'll be done in 10 minutes. But this is as you
know, a very important lecture, and it needs to be given. Number three, congratulating them on their
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celebrations.
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There's nothing explicit from the Quran and Sunnah or any of the 40 moms that allows or forbids
congratulating them on their celebrations.
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If known by him in his famous book achaemenid Dima, he has a very harsh comment, in which he says
that and he's against this he says that to congratulate them for their celebrations is worse than
congratulating them for drinking or congratulating them for committing murder.
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Because he views it as shirk their celebration. So if you're congratulating them for their shidduch
then you are congratulating them for a sin that is worse than
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drinking and murder. Okay, now this will tell you wrote
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a few years ago, some adolescent simpleton Neo fight on YouTube, these these overzealous youngsters
he's in his fiery voice he said, No, I am says that celebrating No What is he saying Merry Christmas
is worse than murder.
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And that YouTube clip went viral across the internet and like it's this you know, even a minute
Tamia their own followers have done more damage to them than anything they themselves have ever
done. Their own followers are just so into their own bubble and whatnot even though pay him did not
say that I am wrote a very precise and actually had to clarify and and and you know, explain that to
defend a claim even if I politely disagree with him they'll claim but even though claim is very
academic He did not say saying Merry Christmas is worse than murder. He said congratulating them for
their holy days is worse than congratulating them for homicide and murder. There's a big difference
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between the two right and this Neo fight just literally anyway, so you know my anyway So where was
I? So yes, so even though clay definitely says you should not congratulate them for their and you
know, I understand it makes sense. Listen to the logic is very straightforward. They say that
believing in another god is should cause paganism. So worst of all sins, and what is a holy day,
other than venerating that other God, whatever that God might be. Hence, they say to congratulate
them on their festival is essentially congrats
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You're letting them on their belief in another god and worshiping another god. So it is a logically
constructed argument, it's not far left field. And we respect that argument, we say, okay, you have
made a valid point, do realize that it is one opinion. And there aren't many scholars who basically
agree with the first bit, which is to celebrate to worship another goddess should. And they agree
with the second bit to celebrate that God is also wrong, but they disagree with the third bit, which
is to wish somebody a good celebration does not mean that you're endorsing the first two. You see,
this is where the disconnect comes, right. And this is the standard fatwa from most of our scholars
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outside of that one school of thought, you know, scholars from us heard from Jordan from many of the
other. And even I know, I know for a fact within the Deobandi tradition as well, there are two
schools within this and some of the deobandis allow it and some of them don't allow it as well. And
one of the things that they mentioned is that it is well known in multicultural settings that non
Muslims wish us happy reads as well. And they don't think that their Christianity is compromised,
when they say Happy read to us, they understand that wishing somebody happy read doesn't mean that
they're now all of a sudden Muslim. It's just a generic statement that they say. And they also
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called the scholars that allow this they quote from the seller, and from Mr. Mohammed and others,
who basically said that it is allowed to wish for something good for the cafard in this world, may
you have good life, may you have good children, should they make a generic? Hello. So they say if
it's allowed to make a generic to any day, why can't you say it on the day that they're extra happy?
You see, they just make an argument like this. And they also say, Allah says in the Quran, when
somebody greets you, then you should greet back the same or better. So if somebody says Happy
birthday to you, on your a day, why shouldn't you also wish them, you know, a Happy Holi whatever
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day that they have now.
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And that's a good argument to make, I will say, without deciding which one is right and wrong, let's
get out of the laugh. And instead of saying Merry Christmas, even though I'm not saying it is hot
off, and I'm not saying it is Hello, I am just silent about the right now. But instead of saying
Merry Christmas, why don't we get out of the tail off and use a generic greeting? Use a generic
greeting. May God bless you. Okay, Happy holiday, good day to you, whatever is your generic
greeting. Just use your generic greeting so that you get out of the * out of group one. Okay?
Because look, I'm going to be on it. So it is a logical argument. It's not coming out of again,
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nowhere. So logical argument. Why would you wish a particular holy day just be generic, happy season
or whatever, you know, you get my point. You're just a generic greeting, and you get out of the fall
off. And, you know, reminds me of something even my boss said, even our boss said, even my boss, he
said, If around said to me barakallahu fique. I would say well, barakallahu fique.
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If you're around, said to me, may Allah bless you, I would make Damilola blood white, why shouldn't
I make your own for somebody? Why shouldn't I make some positive statement for Him? May Allah bless
you. Okay. So if somebody wishes you something, you know, and you say, yes, you know, God bless you.
And you know, for us, God bless you is good, because God bless you with everything, including
Hidayat God bless you. Bismillah you know,
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God bless you. Yes, God bless you with good health, good life, with guidance, everything God bless
you. What's the problem with that? You should not be any problem whatsoever. So the third thing we
said is to greetings and we said, I'm not saying how wrong i'm not saying that I'm just saying get
out and just say, you know, generic final thing then we're done. Accepting gifts because of the
celebration, like accepting gifts because of the celebration, your neighbor gifts you on Christmas,
okay? Can you accept that gift or not? I do the law one. It the famous idea of the law when I was
living in Kufa
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and Kufa was a Lando Zoroastrians at that time Muslims have come. And one day he was gifted
something in the Arabic books is called falou that all the bases know what falou the Jews, but your
followers is not their fault. They didn't have vanilla ice cream and they're filled with edge. Okay.
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2d fruity. Okay, so, he was gifted something called falou that and he had never gotten it before. It
was a mixture of Concord, it was a Fallujah in 1400 years old. So go back, our modern Fallujah is
generated from that. Okay.
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The altos have no idea if I do this right. You guys don't know where they have no idea right? Okay.
This is in the books of Arabic Hadith. He was gifted by Luther edge for religious still in our
cultures. Okay, it's a very nice sweet but in our time, it is ice cream and other things mixed up
but of course back then it was different. He loved it. Mashallah diabolical. So he said, What is the
occasion?
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Why am I gifted this Fallujah? They said it is no rules for us.
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It will be a loved one amount of my heart he said may everyday be you'll notice
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what does this show?
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He likes photo that just
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what's the problem and getting gifts on there? This is Ali Baba the alohar. May everyday be father.
Let me get some more. Okay. Someone came to the Aloha mother. And she said we have some Zoroastrian
neighbors. And they gift us on their read. Can we accept their gifts? Our Isha said, anything they
sacrificed on that day, do not eat, but you may eat of their fruits and their plants. Now, why can
you not eat the sacrifice of Zoroastrians? Because they're not adequate up?
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Not because it is holiday? Because she said eat of the others, right? Let's do visionary Carlo
Kobani Isabella. Okay. The Hindu says the love to eat dinner, do
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eat dinner, do this exactly what the author is exactly what the author is. Right? The Zoroastrian is
sending on his holy day food. He said, If there's meat, Zoroastrian, but anything else on the plate,
go ahead and eat it. Right. And of course, the point is that that meat is not allowed for us to eat.
And so that's like that, I will Buddha's as well, he would say the same thing. He was living among
the Sahaba versus eslami. He was living amongst those restaurants. I mean, like when Islam was
conquering Persia, and he told his family as well on the day of no rules that anything that comes of
meat, do not eat, but anything else you may eat of it. So the same ruling coming on notice, but you
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may eat of it. Therefore, anything that they gift us on the day that you generically holiday, we may
take it, and the generic will when we are gifted, we gift back. So if we give back on our aid, or
even if it's the same day, in and of itself, there should be no problem. And especially if it's in
an office environment, which isn't even a ritual. A lot of you asked me about the office gift chair,
it's not even a ritual oslon no big deal. So with this inshallah Tada. We summarized by stating
that, unfortunately, it appears that some odema May Allah reward them for their costs and their
sincerity and their desire to protect Islam in their desire to protect Islam. They wanted to make
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certain things how long and also because these things might have been held on at certain times in
places. However, there is no strong basis to consider these things. How long in particular festivals
and celebrations have a generic nature, what is how long are uniquely religious festivals and
celebrations that are meant to venerate other gods and these are things we do not do as Muslims. But
if we happen to witness them third hand, we see the fireworks we do end up there. So this is how
that and if people gift us things on that day as well. It is held out as long as the object itself
is halal. And we may give generic greetings to our friends and neighbors on that day. And it's
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probably safe to avoid specific greetings when it comes to the actual day of the the name of the
festival. It's probably best to do that. And there's nothing in the media that encourages or
discourages personal celebrations. It's between you and Allah Allah did not dictate it's not
something that surely I came with to dictate your personal private celebrations there is no Oran and
Sunnah to allow or deny. Therefore the default is that it is hella things are headed unless the
proof comes otherwise. And with that, inshallah Tada. Time is way too late. Tomorrow is Thursday, we
will have the q&a tomorrow, inshallah Tada, afters athanasia for this very topic. So come tomorrow,
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first of all tarisha will have the q&a for that said I'm waiting for him to learn about a catch up
from the law. So latos law, he was a banker. So for those of you attending,
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we can begin the q&a. So who has the first question from yesterday's article, this one is
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the problem comes with these other harm items.
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As I said, we differentiate between
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the religious festivals that involve rituals, and between the religious festivals that involve
happiness, but no rituals. And the rituals that are dedicated to worshiping rather than a law have a
severe level of prohibition. And it is the position that I advocated yesterday as Mr. Mohammed said
that
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If you're going to go to the bazaar and look at the festival, they're okay. But don't go to the
synagogue or the church. So if there is a happy festival, that is around their Holi festival, such
as in your office, there's the Christmas party that takes place or on campus, there's the diversity
group taking place. The how long issue doesn't is not just to look at the celebration, how long
issue is what happens there. And in this case, there's going to be dancing, and there's going to be
suggestive dancing. So even if it wasn't the valley, it wouldn't be appropriate for a Muslim to
attend. So the issue is not that it is coinciding with Diwali. If they were to have a generic Diwali
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festival with balloons and you know, things, there's nothing wrong for him to just look and see
what's going on. Like, for example, there's the, you know, the parade that takes place over here. In
some cities, there's a parade,
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Christmas parade, the Thanksgiving parade, what not? Or Fourth of July 4 of July, as the Secretary
said, but even those who said it is how long to do it, what not, they didn't differentiate between
doing and between seeing. And there's a big difference between you looking at the festivities versus
you participating in the festivities. So the issue comes, in this case, what takes place, and not
the fact that they're having a festive occasion? Is that clear? Okay, on the other questions?
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No, Now, again, this is this is this is a complex thing. So they have brought horses to your, you
know, workplace or whatnot. And they're saying, Come on, everybody go ride the horses. You know,
that's what the.
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So if they're asking you to participate in the actual practice, you look, there's two separate
elements here. There's the element of happiness and joy, there's going to be free coffee, there's
going to be hayrides. for the kids, there's going to be, that's not a problem. But if you are a part
of the,
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the the actual, I mean, here we get to this gray area. So this is a great area, this isn't a ritual
per se. It's not a ritual. What is clearly how long is the ritual? That is no question about that.
This parade, as I said, in my my HUD statement is very clear there, this person is asking, Can I go
to the bazaar and see, and the point was, there is festivities in the bazaar. Right. And there's
nothing wrong, therefore it's your community and the kids like to see you like to see seeing is not
endorsing. And generally, almost everything that happens there is not related to rituals, they don't
do rituals and the bizarre, but there's going to be whiffs of the ritual, like you said, Santa
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Clauses there, and this is there. So my advice to you is to not dive in the deep end.
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But if you see the ambience and whatnot, we shouldn't be that strict, you know, oma cinema, for
example. There, it's not directly related, but still it is related. That oma cinema, and of course,
she was in every senior for many years, as you know, married to a set of I remember. And when she
came to Medina, she was in all at the churches she had seen they had never seen stained glass, they
have never seen magnificent monuments, right. And so she was describing in wonder and amazement,
which means she went inside the church. And she's seeing everything there. Right. And she's telling
the prophet SAW Selim, and it's human nature, we want to see these magnificent buildings and were
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struck and off and the process of didn't feel are always a bit of that, how could you walk to the to
the villa, Didn't you hear? It didn't tell you this. So unfortunately, sometimes we make Islam more
difficult, you know, my position, disregard, there's nothing wrong with just looking at what's going
on. But now if you're going to be asked to build the church, notice a different thing.
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To paint the stained glass, that's a different thing. You see what I'm saying? And there should be a
reasonable amount of distance. So I would be hesitant. I'm not saying it's not a big word. I would
be hesitant for you to participate in the actual you know, parade itself, because in the end of the
day, there are going to be those icons there might be across somewhere. And you know, why would you
then be in that particular line? You see, so there are levels shall Okay, yes.
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We already said this is okay. You weren't yesterday we didn't.
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but what But what exactly is that
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It's a $25 gift that everybody gives everybody. There's no ritual. And you have to participate
simply because it's etiquette. How rude is it to say, I'm not going to participate? There are
Buddhists, there are atheists or agnostics, there is no ritual there. Right? So it's a matter of
edit now, I wouldn't Institute it, if you were the CEO of the company, I said, then do something
else, you know, or I would say, do it on eat. So you say, Okay, we have this, but you're not the CEO
of the company shall the one that you will make darn sure that one day you'll be the CEO of the
company shall, but until you are, what are you going to do? You know, I got an email today that the
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sisters like I said that
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last year, I said, No one the whole office was like, what, you know, why would you not participate
in? What's the big deal? Sure. She was very concerned. Like I said, What do I do this year? I said,
Go ahead. No big deal. There's no ritual involved in gift exchange. Okay, it was good. Anybody else
was you?
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Wait, wait, wait, wait. I don't think I don't not sure. I don't think the actual fruits that are
offered to the God are taken out of the temple and given to strangers outside.
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From what I know, from what I know, they give it they give it to the priests and the visitors of the
temple.
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No, not just that, but as a matter of ritual themselves that this is not like your average offering,
this is something given, this is not giving gifts on the day of this is giving gifts to the gods. So
unless your colleague has some high place in the temple, she has access to that, then it makes sense
that if she is that type, so in that case, that which was offered to the gods should not be touched.
Okay, because that was consecrated to other than Allah subhanho wa Taala. That is separate than
giving sweets on the holy day. You see, so if you know, and by the way, that's rare.
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I agree. But that's rare. It's very rare.
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Yeah, so this is a thing that she's involved with that then yes. Okay. That's then you should not do
that. Okay. Yes, but
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outside of Christmas time. So. So now Look, look, look. So if it is associated with Christmas, like
the Christmas tree, the Christmas tree is associated with Christmas. It is the icon of Christmas.
Here, we do get the issue of the Shambo because we said yesterday, what when does the show occur?
When it is unique to the religion? Or even a civilization not your own? And you go out of your like,
why would a Muslim want to have a Christmas tree? There is an element of wanting to be like the
other group, the least that can be said if it's not sure because how clearly, right but generic
lights. I don't think if I see a light that's green and blue, I don't automatically think of
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Christmas, if I see it outside of Christmas.
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You see, so let's be a little bit more specific here. And if you get lights on sale, and you just
put them outside your house, or a day or something like that, you know, I mean, I don't see a
problem with this. But to me, somebody asked me yesterday about decorating around Christmas, I said
no, it should not be done. Because you may decorate your house at any time. But for a Muslim to do
it around Christmas, it is an indication that you know it's not our festival. As we said we don't
celebrate this festival, but we may observe so if we pass by somebody's house, let's say and they
have beautiful ornament ornaments right now. Okay, so you have some strict parents they speed up the
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car, children lower that lower the gaze. Don't look at the light.
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Okay, understand, um, I said I saw that beautiful stained glass
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to the process and say don't look at I mean, again. Sometimes you get these ultra strict weatherman
as I said, I'm very very critical of them. Just like I'm critical of progressive because I think
both of them are harming the religion in their own way. The religion is livable, it is an easy
religion. I mean, you teach your children I teach my children this like look, this is Christmas. You
know, we don't celebrate it. They believe this and that and that's their festival will celebrate on
April.
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That's it. I mean, what more difficult is that? Even the four year old understands that Okay, that's
there. We have our eight they have their so it's so they can admire that like but now should you put
lights on your house? No. Why should you should you put that tree in your
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Of course not because then you are tacitly getting involved and that's not our celebration. Okay.
Other questions?
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No, no, no no, they the blessing that they give is a generic blessing This is not consecrating to a
false god Christians as an adults their rituals anyway it's not just on Christmas if you go to a
religious Christians house you will not start eating until they say grace and whatnot okay? This is
not dedicating the food to other than God this is just their hamdulillah right this we have to be
careful here. Christians do not consecrate food to other than God like Hindus do like other
religions do.
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Yeah, so it doesn't ruin the food there you use tech aside there you don't hold hands and whatnot so
I'm a Muslim you guys do that?
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Okay, you say your blessing. No, bro say and I'm the recite recite my ministry.
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keep on saying that. Okay, Suna Fatah. Okay.
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Excellent. So now you Okay, so? Yeah, say, yeah. And so you just give a generic, we thank God for
all that he has blessed us. And you know, when you can just give the generic stuff. Excellent. And
there's there's not going to be any rituals in this country? Don't worry.
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Yeah, that is an issue now. So you are an employee. And as a part of your job, you're going to be
asked to put up these decorations. Right? I see that. That's it. That is obviously more problematic
area.
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One, though, and a Muslim, but this is not an A Muslim business.
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And a Muslim business, it does make it easier, because even if he wants to do that, you know, you
give him your NOC, you say look good employee to do that. It's like, huh, yeah, exactly.
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Tell him to come speak with me, I'll get you off. But in a serious note, if it's a non Muslim, and
he's asking you to do this, if you are able to get another employee, and you basically do favors for
that, like, Look, I'll do a shift of yours if you deserve or not. I mean, there are ways you know,
this, we all know the terms like if you're able to come to the law, if not, then I honestly say, I
don't see this as being how long or short in and of itself, because again, this is not rituals.
Again, my point is, most of the fatigue, that was raised are a little bit superficial, they just
lump everything together. But it is not the case. If you were asked to build a church is not the
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same as your generic warehouse employees saying, hang the lights here, you see, you're asked to
hammer across inside the truck, it's a big difference. And I say no, is not allowed for a Muslim, to
be employed to build a temple, you know, for other than Allah. Okay, that's not our job to do that.
But in this case, your employer has a generic place a house, I mean, a warehouse or whatever. And
you're just being asked to put up these various decorations. It is not a ritual, it is the festivity
spirit of the season, and it should be avoided. But if you are indeed forced to do so, and that you
might be the only employee, right? And it's very common in this country, these types of minimum
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wages are gonna get fired. You know, this, you notice, I don't think this is a fight that needs to
be done for the sake of Allah. He's not asked you to drink wine. He's not asked you to come and
shoot it. Those were the case, then yes, you get fired rather than but this is not one of those
things that you really need to stand your ground for what I mean, I don't see this as being to that
level. Is that clear? Right. So if you're asked to do it, and you have no alternatives, and this
will nutshell, let's go back all the way. Anybody from this site? sisters, nobody. I see. Don't
worry, I know. There's
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no prohibition there's no prohibition. But the question arises, should you do this for no reason?
Let's flip it around. Right. There is no specific prohibition and we have to realize in Makkah,
there were temples everywhere the Kava itself even though the guy was only saw it as a separate
thing, but the Kava 360 idols, you know, the process of doing a lot he sees these idols, what are
you going to do? And obviously, MCI is holy anyway. But then point point is, there's no there's no
explicit prohibition to to go to a temple. The the permission primarily is upon, obviously to
participate in the ritual. But I will push back a little bit and say, even if there isn't an
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excellent supervision, why should a Muslim want to go there for no reason? If there is a reason and
reasons can be true?
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Review. Mr. lebeau wants to see the beautiful thing, right? And maybe most likely, she must be going
off ritual time, just like when we visit churches, typically, we will not be going during ritual
time. We're going to read off time number one, number two. The other reason is that, you know, your
your colleague has passed away or his mother or whatever you go as your token of condolence. Right.
So you show your face, you show your colleagues, okay. And you give your condolences, and you leave,
there's no prohibition to walk into another temple, nothing in the corner.
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Yeah, I mean, I've seen I've walked in as well, I mean, I walk into old world old churches, I mean,
that, again, it is you are not participating, you're not validating their system, you're simply
looking at the architecture. And
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I don't see this as a How'd you know, some scholars do find this problematic. And again, I see where
they're coming from. But I'll be honest, I've done it and I will do it again, if I if there's a need
to do so. I mean, especially the old churches of Europe, whatever I've been to so many I've been to,
and I'm going to Bethlehem most likely, if there's time, I'm going to go to the, you know, church or
Nativity again, I've been there, you know, two times, I'll go again, it's an interesting church to
see. And to me, I like to see the Christian people more than the architecture, I personally benefit
just to see it what not is a sign for me, you know, so I go to the church of Nativity itself, which
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is the holiest of all the churches, you know, I haven't actually been in the line to go see where
they say Jesus was crucified or whatnot.
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There's a line that's like two hours or hour and a half long, especially in this season. The in this
season of the Christmas season, literally the line is like any outside the church, but you can just
walk in and see the church and walk out. There's no line for that. But if you want to go into the
chamber,
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haven't been there. But I'll be honest with you, if I got the opportunity I would walk in and see I
don't see any problem at all. I mean, just seeing I want to see what's going on. Maybe that's where
the garden of gets them anyways, I don't know. Maybe it was maybe it wasn't for me. It's just a
historical relic. I it doesn't affect my he man. I don't approve of what they might be doing work
not but it's a curiosity for me. I don't see a problem with that. Okay. They're good.
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know if this is against you or not. Now you can leave alone upset or sad. You're not the one doing
it. Everybody's being done to them. So as soon as the festival finishes, you'll be the first one to
take it off. No problem. I don't think it's problematic that they do it. Okay, sister, you have a
question in the back. I saw a hand raised. The question is gone. Okay, back to Smith, isn't it?
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So, Valentine's is clearly not a religious when we talked when we went over the issue, even if it's
pagan in origin, if it's gone, it's gone. So Valentine's is neither. There's no religious element
involved. The problem of course comes which is obvious here that if
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this is happening between a couple before marriage, then that is the problem that obviously we do
not we do not incite passions and flirtations before marriage, okay, this is not something that is
done and obviously Valentine's has that token but if a couple married couple
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and you know maybe you and I don't understand this because we grew up in a different culture, but
maybe converts for example, who every year chose Valentine's before they became Muslim. Okay, then
they converted to Islam and they kept on doing something special on Valentine's Day very realistic
example okay for them for example Should we tell them it is how long for you to do something on
Valentine's see me and you most of us here for you know 14th February like doesn't nothing happens
we didn't grow up like that. Okay, but do realize we have to look at the local machinery beyond me
and you the machinery the Islamic ruling is beyond my culture, your culture. If there are people for
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whom this was a day of expressing love, there's no religion there's no ritual right? It is a purely
a religious holiday. And we mentioned yesterday, personal private a religious holidays The shediac
has not come to prohibited you may do whatever you want as long as it is within the confines of the
Sharia. So if a couple wishes to do something special go out you know this and that. There is no
problem if they want to decorate or throw cards or whatever, all of this the shady I would not
prohibit it. Okay.
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So, generally speaking, mainstream Muslims invoke Allah subhana wa tada and says a lot upon the
Prophet SAW Selim,
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02:00:36
that's not a problem, there are some fringe extreme Sufi groups,
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especially those that are involved with veneration of graves to a very abnormal level. Amongst that
group of people, they do essentially with Hindus due to their idols they do to those grapes. And
they will dedicate food to the grapes. And they will give sweets to the cupboard itself. And
obviously, who eats those sweets?
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they themselves do the people around them, right. So, I would apply, I'm not calling them Hindus,
but I will apply the same ruling to those food items. Because that was meant for the cover.
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Which is different than what you were saying that there's a gathering of Vicar, and there's food
going to be eaten by the people, and they just do a group they care to bless the food. So the
subwoofers have levels. And the more extreme to subwoofer, I mean, to be brutally honest, the
extreme but lbz, I'm talking about their version of you know, venerating the graves is a little bit
beyond what I would consider within acceptability. And they have the Lotus and they have the 40
days, and they have this and that, you know, and they do rituals that are very similar to Hinduism
around the grave. And we should definitely not be supporting something that is that extreme. And I
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would not participate in I would, and here we also have an element of data as well. Like, if your
cousin or somebody is doing this, then you can say, look, I just don't agree with this stuff. So
there's an element of that was okay. There's been a final question. I have to go and get ready for
tomorrow, boys.
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Yes, so yesterday's class was the shampoo bill Kfar. There's actually many categories of shampoo.
There's the shampoo, original brindisa shampoo, and this app visual men imitating women with
amendments to shampoo with faceting, right, all these different categories of shampoo. And we didn't
talk about it at all yesterday, because that's not the topic. But one of the categories is the shop
book with people a fist.
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And in every culture and civilization since time,
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immemorial.
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There are certain groups that are known to be troublemakers, you know, just into the drugs and the
women and this and I know, right, what kind of in Medina did decide to write and move to the valley
when I used to go there. No, it's always there. So for a Muslim to go out of his way to want to look
like them, is also not something that is befitting obviously, it's not to the level of the
Sheboygan,
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it's not to that level of hunting, but it is still something that we can discourage against at the
very least. Now we have to be careful, though, that fashion is not the same as what we're talking
about of evil people, or gangsters, let's say, okay, and it is possible that gangster fashion
becomes hip and cool, which is happening right now. Okay, where it's no longer associated with
actual evil, and it because something so this is a difficult area, and we look at it case by case,
and this is an evolving area, there is no doubt that much of what is highlighted now would have been
had on some point in time, much of what is hot on now might be helpful in a few generations. And
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that's the gray area. So we talked about examples yesterday, of things being clear to shampoo for
200 years ago, and clear cut no longer with the children too far. Now, your clothes are no longer
with the shampoo. Whereas it would have been in your own society. I would say 100 years ago, is that
not correct? Your great grandfather would never have seen another person of his tribe where what
you're wearing, is that not correct? Yeah. And if somebody at that time in place wore this, the
vertic would be to shampoo 100% right. But in your time it's not. Now what happened in the interim?
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Did it just overnight become how long to had? Wasn't there a period of struggle, there would have
been a generation maybe
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Your grandfather with you or your you or your father, I don't know you with your son, there's gonna
be a struggle generation, what are you doing how you do that, right? And the haraam is going to be
slowly, slowly, slowly changed until it becomes harder. And by the way, this isn't just now. I mean,
I didn't talk about again, so much to say time is limited. Wherever Islam went, the people kept
their close. Think about it. Yes, the thought did spread, but even the thought was modified
culturally, but generally speaking, wherever Islam went, so when Islam was introduced to any
civilization, at that point in time, there would have been this strangeness of clothes, right. But
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what happened the Indonesians have their garb, the Malay have their garb, the the Nigerians have
their Mashallah very x, you know, the Pakistanis have their every civilization, the men, not the
women have their own jobs and some of the men who have their own clothing system.
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Clearly, then,
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there must have been a time where the Muslim said, Oh, we can't dress like that. But what happened?
Slowly but surely we have authentic narrations of the first generation that they discouraged
dressing like the Persians and within a few generations, the Muslims wrestling like the Persians.
Okay, we have authentic generation of generations. I told you yesterday my Mohammed and others Imam
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Maliki banana said that I didn't give fatwa in this Masjid until 70 or 80 moorhen namkeen gave me
the right to give a tour. Give me jazza Well, Hannah Qin Mohan, like we talked about it right. It
was the norm everybody made technique. And that's why they said to not make technique is the shampoo
far because there were civilizations that only did the turban and tucked it in the Sudan Easter, but
how is it?
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technique we're doing technique? With? You don't know. You don't know the Sudanese Serbian? Hmm.
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Is there a tiny Granada henyk?
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Not.
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They go round and they tuck it in the back. They tuck it in the middle. Yeah, they don't go down.
They don't go to the you're talking about the Mauritanian one. The Sudan. The Sudanese one has no
technique. Okay, so my point is that
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an even by the three 400 years of the higit up,
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we have a thought from the scholars, they say, well, the technique is no big deal now. So what
happened from 100? To 300?
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The same thing that's happening now, with your pants and your whatnot, the same thing, this is a
problem for us to think that it's only pants and shirts that are changing, no, it happened and it's
going to happen. This is something that the life is the way things are. Okay, inshallah with that.
Skinny one is an issue because of our Okay, last question, because
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yeah, but see, do they expect a large reward for this? And that becomes evident?
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No, I mean, the issue comes, do you want to support them in this in this thing that they're doing,
and it's a case by case basis, if you feel that, and you know, I mean, in our lands in India,
Pakistan, everybody knows that some groups don't do the gathering, and some groups do it. You can
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even more reason for you to give him the power to be polite, as you know, I don't do these types of
things, you know, and write me another day or I'll invite you another day. But listen, I mean, in
the end of the day, it's a case by case basis. I'm not saying it's how long to go. I'm not saying is
how long, it really depends on what his Nia is what he's doing. You know, there are levels of
gathering, not every guy to me is exactly the same. There are levels. So, you use your judgment
call, if it is extreme, and it is something that is beyond, I would say and where they're invoking
other than Allah. If they're calling out to other than a lot. I think that's definitely the red
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line. We should not do that. And if it's less than this, then you can make a judgment call.
