Yasir Qadhi – Is Infinite Punishment Fair, Is Gelatin in Medicine Permissible Q&A #13

			Bismillah Al Rahman Rahim Al hamdu Lillahi Rabbil Alameen wa salatu salam ala sayyidina. Muhammad
Ali, he was like a big Marine.
		

			Question for today, two questions, the first question our brother emails and says,
		

			I'm having trouble understanding the issue of the eternality of jahannam. How do we answer somebody
who says that no matter how evil a person is, a finite amount of sins should not be punished for
infinity? So the brother is asking, how can we understand that Jahannam is never ending, and this
dunya is ending? And a person says, How is it fair, that somebody's being punished for all of
eternity, for a finite quantity of sins? And then the brother says, And on that note, is it true
that Ibn Taymiyah denied the eternality? Of jahannam? Okay, so he asks a very deep and profound
question of theology. And as you know, I always like to start with theology or methodology. And my
		

			first question, so this is a two part question. Number one, the wisdom of Jahannam, being a bit
about the eternality. And number two, did Ibn Taymiyyah say that Jahannam is not eternal, that it
will stop and that there will be no agenda after that. As for the first question,
		

			realize that the scholars of Islam of all of the flock of Islam that are mainstream Faruk, all of
the classical groups of Islam, they have unanimously agreed that Jana is eternal. No one is of
significance of any group denied the agenda is eternal. And this is the standard position of all the
schools of Islam. As for Jahannam, then it is also the case that the majority position the
mainstream position of all of the groups and even Yes, of course, the one we're most interested in
Sunni Islam is that Jahannam as well is eternal. And this is the standard doctrine that we find x
licitly affirmed in many books of Arcada of many strands even as soon as I'm not just of any one
		

			particular strand. And there are many evidences for this, for example, in the Quran, in Surah
Telegin Allah says when the Yasi la hora Sula who for in nella Hoonah Raja Han nama Holly Dina vi ha
aboda. And by the way, FYI, three times in the Quran three times Exactly. Allah azza wa jal mentions
Hadith ENFP. How about that for Jahannam and for Jana is more than this for Jen num three times.
Allah says Holly Dena fee ha Avada. They shall be residing in it forever. Khalid and Khalid Khalid
actually does not mean forever hard, it means long life. So that's where the name Khalid is the one
who lives long. So Hollywood does not necessarily mean forever, Hulu or Hulu, it means long, but not
		

			forever. But the word Avada. That's where we bring the the twist and we say other than means, and it
does mean in Arabic Aveda means, forever and ever and ever and ever. So three times Allah mentions
Jahannam and then he says Holly Deena fie her a brother And
		

			in another verse in their machine, a minify. Dobby Johanna Holly Dune, the sinners shall be in
Jahannam sinners here means we should raccoon because whenever ALLAH says Colleen, then he's talking
about the big sin which has shook the sinners will be in Jahannam Holly dune forever and your
longtime holiday and Islamic forever longtime la you tell one whom it will never subside from them,
Lofa Toronto won't see him Mobley soon and they shall remain in it a while vada Menachem well I can
kind of Homo voddie mean, and we did not do just injustice to them. They did injustice to
themselves. And there are many, many evidences in the Quran. For example, coulomb knowledge or julu
		

			home, but the Nahum julu Then Hira Alia, do cool. Every time their skin withers away, we will give
them another skin so that they can taste the torment. So there are many, many verses that indicate
eternality of jahannam. Therefore, it is pretty much standard doctrine that Johanna will also last
forever, for the category of those who commit shipwreck us for sinful Muslims, then by unanimous
consensus, they will not be in Jannah forever. There's no controversy over that. Now. The question
was not over the eternality. The question was, how do we understand the wisdom? Right? How do we
understand the wisdom because no matter how many sins a person has done, one lifetime is how long 60
		

			years, seven years, 100 years, Let's even say the Prophet Nora time, 900 years 900 years compared to
infinity of Johanna
		

			A Kaffir comes a non Muslim comes, or even a Muslim who has doubts and says, How is that fair? This
is the question right? Okay, how do we respond to this question? Firstly, realize that
		

			the problem of trying to explain the wisdom of Allah is an impossible one.
		

			You're asking a human, to try to explain to you the wisdom of the creator of humans.
		

			You are putting a person and it's not possible. And in the end of the day, perhaps our minds cannot
understand what are you going to do then? Rather than come with the assumption that I can understand
every wisdom of Allah? This is an arrogant assumption. Who are you to understand every wisdom of
Allah Now, is it wrong to ask for the wisdom? Is it wrong to ask the wisdom of a ruling? Yes or No?
No. What's the evidence for this?
		

			How do we know it's okay to ask for the wisdom?
		

			Many the Sahaba asked Yes. Aluna. Case Aluna aka the angels asked, Why are you creating Adam right?
Why would you put Adam coldwater geography Herman ucda via one 100 to subdue him? I'm gonna call
this vlog, it is not haram to try to ask why it is haram to reject if you don't understand why there
is a difference between the two. Right? They asked you about this, they asked you about that. And no
problem asked. So the brothers question is not a problem. But before I answer I want to say even if
you don't understand or I don't understand, or I cannot help you understand, that doesn't change the
ruling. So we have to answer the first in this manner. Also realize that while we fully believe that
		

			Allah does not do any injustice in the Hola, hola, yo valine will miss Oliver rock one hour Buka
Viva la mia lil a bit, your Lord does not do volume. While we firmly believe this, what is loaded
volume is to burden someone with more than he or she can bear or to punish someone for the sins of
another person. This is literally as for the severity of punishment, this is not
		

			asked for punishing this versus that. This is not voted the law giver in any law in any land and a
constitution, they will give you the punishment, the same crime in this country in 50. States you
might have 50 Different punishments. In this one country, you might have 50, I'm being exaggerating,
but really, I'm being true in some way. It is possible the same issue can have multiple punishments,
even in this land, depending on what state you live in.
		

			This is the reality of law, punishments are different. And Allah has every right to assign any
punishment to any crime, because he is the law giver, he is the one who decides. So one, he has
assigned a punishment for a crime somewhere. Now while doing that this is not volum, Lauren would be
to punish x for the crime of why that is doing. And Allah will never do that. Right? Locally will
not necessarily there was one article was written was it Accra, these are two rooms, Allah said he
will never do. As for the severity of punishment, there is no room over here, the law is clear. And
the law has been told to us. So there cannot be any room for the quantity of punishment. In the end
		

			of the day, Allah is Malik and he can punish as long as he wants for any crime that he has told us
as a crime. The second point here is that to try to understand the wisdom, let us give us some
examples in our own human law. Do we judge the length of the sentence by the length of the crime or
by the severity of the crime?
		

			Do we judge the length of the sentence by the length of the crime or by the severity of the crime?
severity of the crime? A murder in our times, if you use a gun will take one milli second 0.001
seconds something like this, a murder will take less than 100th of a second? Correct? If you use a
gun.
		

			Should the punishment if somebody were to say, why did why why was he given a lifetime for the deed
that cost point 01? Will anybody think this is illogical, illogical, rather or excuse? Will anybody
say oh, the crime only took one second? Why is he being punished for 70 years? No, you don't look at
how long the crime was you look at how evil the crime was correct. This is the law everybody
understands. Now in our religion, and honestly, even without the Quran telling us this common sense
tells us the biggest crime of any human being is to ignore why he has been created. What bigger
crime is there
		

			And then to ignore, to not even think about to simply turn away from the highest purpose of
existence, which is to really try to find a Why am I here who created me? What's the purpose of
life, worship of Allah subhanho wa taala. And therefore, it is completely logical and rational, that
the one who refused to even think about Allah, the Real Mushrik and kaffir. And that's why we say
the believers were sinful, this does not apply to them. The believers who believe in Allah who have
an ounce of iman as the prophet system said, eventually there'll be more from Johanna no problem
there. That is where the logic applies where, okay, a finite quantity of sins. Yes, okay. But the
		

			one who did not even think about sin and good he didn't think about heaven and *, life and death,
he never thought about why he has here. Then this person, Yanni Subhanallah, what was his life for?
What did he do with all of his life, as Aisha said about her great uncle intrude on Ya Rasulullah
bentwood and did so much goodwill ALLAH forgive him and even the prophets Assam said, la Ubuntu
sadaqa No, because even to Dawn never once said, Oh ALLAH forgive me. He never wants even as a
mushrik as a pagan as a Kafir. He never said, Oh ALLAH forgive me. Allah was never on his mind, why
should then Allah turned him and forgive him. So the one who never thinks of ALLAH turns away from
		

			Allah has no purpose other than to live like an animal, when Allah made you a human and better than
an animal and you live your life like an animal, then this, the severity of the punishment is based
upon the severity of the crime, and what greater crime is there than to turn away from Allah. And
this is indicated in a hadith in Sahih, Muslim authentic hadith, the Prophet SAW, some says that
Allah will say, to the one who is being punished the least in Jahannam, the least, and in which
should be punished, punished forever, Allah will say, oh, so and so? Would you give up all that you
possessed in your life, your wealth, your family, everything? Would you give it up right now to be
		

			saved from Johanna? And the man will say, Yes, I will, and 10 times more, Allah will say, listen to
this, but I didn't ask you for all of this in this worth Earth. I only asked that you worship Me,
and don't do shit with me. And you refused for a beta. You refused, and you insisted on worshipping
other than me. So here we have one of the wisdoms of the eternality of the punishment. What did
Allah ask of us, all of our time, all of our wealth know, Allah said, understand who created you and
believe in that entity and worship Him? And if your sinful alternative for forgiveness, Allah is go
for the Rahim. But the one who didn't even care to think, and that's why again, we go back to
		

			another question I give many, many months ago, about how about non Muslims who never heard of Islam
and I mentioned look, we say Islam is the only way to Allah subhana wa, tada, there's one path, but
there might be people on other paths, the path does not lead to Jannah. But Allah knows the person
was sincere, not the path. And Allah might forgive the person, not the path. So we firmly believe
somebody who try to be religious in an environment where there was no Islam, who try to be sincere,
righteous, pious in his own way, without knowing Islam and whatnot, he shall lead this person we
hope the best for him. We don't pronounce a verdict in this dunya. But the arguer we hope the best
		

			for him no problem with that person. But how about the one who just did not care? Woman Araga and
decree the one who turned away from Allah is thicker. So the severity of the punishment is due to
the severity of the crime. The third thing we can say here, is that another thing that some of our
scholars have mentioned, the eternality of the punishment, is due to the fact that the crime would
have been eternal if they lived eternally. In other words, Allah says in the Quran, they want to
come back to this earth, right? And Allah says, Well, I do, right, if they were to come back. Right,
hello, Raja, what is it? Well?
		

			No, well, I would do that I'll do them and one, if they were to be returned, they would go back to
what they were doing. This is the very key phrase in the Quran. When you do that I do. If Allah
Allah says, if I were to bring them back, they would go back to doing what they had been doing,
which means if they live forever, there should be forever. And so their punishment is for ever as
well. So these are three answers that can be given to respond to the wisdom as for the issue of Ibn
Taymiyyah, denying the eternality of Jahannam This is a very, very interesting and a very detailed
and a very controversial topic. And I would love to give a much longer lecture which was a very
		

			advanced lecture for were to be given. And in fact, in my master's dissertation
		

			shouldn't 20 years ago or something, there's an entire section about this issue. Because it dealt
with one of the topics I was doing in a nutshell, did event me hold this view,
		

			it is quite clear that he defended the existence of two views in Sunni Islam, one that says Jahannam
is eternal, and one that says Jahannam is not eternal. In fact, the last book that he ever wrote,
and I have it in my library, the last book that he ever wrote, before he passed away, is the
refutation of the
		

			eternality of jahannam. Or and the title itself has has there are different versions of the title.
The title is the the issue about the eternality of gender is gender eternal or not, if not a year
mentions this that I asked even to me I mean, okay, Mrs. Main student, I asked even Taymiyah about
this question, that is it true that some of the set of denied that Jahannam is going to be forever?
Even Taymiyah said, Yes, it is true. And then he wrote his famous treaties. And it is a treaties
that has been discovered, and it has been published recently. And he defends the two opinions, but
he doesn't actually say what his own opinion is.
		

			So this has left people skeptical. Now his students ignore him. His students ignore him,
		

			has written about this in many, many places. And in fact, in one of his books, he has like 1015
pages about this topic. And in fact, I've written a paper that is published as well about immune
claims view on this issue, and you can reference it over there. But if I am, perhaps in all of Sunni
history, is the one who defends this issue of Jahannam not being permanent, most like the most
detailed evidences he brings to claim that Jahannam is not eternal, that at some stage Jahannam will
cease to exist. And the people in Johanna will cease, they will not. And he interprets Holly Dena
fee has a Buddha, as a Buddha here means long, long, long, long, long, long, long time, but not
		

			eternal and his evidence is Quranic and from the self as for the Quran, Allah says lab Athena fi
Acaba and a hub means long periods of time. So Allah says they will be in it for long periods of
time. And Allah also says in the Quran, that they will remain in it Madame Mata sama watchword,
although Illa Masha are a book in the Rebecca Farah Ulema you read, they will be punished in
Jahannam for as long as the heavens and earth remains. Now this is an expression in Arabic Madame it
is semi watered out means forever right? Then also it means they will remain in Jannah forever. Then
Allah says, Allah, masha or a book except if your Lord decrees something else. In Rob Baca, Lima you
		

			read, Allah is Able to do whatever he wants. Now why did Allah end the verses of Johannes punishment
with this very interesting ending? They shall be in there forever. Except if Allah wills and Allah
can will whatever he wants, you see this except it will pay in bases it on this issue, and he does
bring this issue as well of Allah's Rama, etc, etc. Then after 10 pages of defending and evidence
and he quotes even Masood Ibn Massoud said this remarkable, Karpov said this Abu Huraira said this,
there are narrations found in the classical books that eventually Johanna will cease to exist from
the Sahaba not any Hadith about the prop from the Prophet system. Then Abraham says if you were to
		

			ask me what my opinion is, I will say Allah knows best and he and left it at there. He did not
categorically state, right. Hola. foully Modi decoded the Quran and Allah Akbar, Allah Lima, Ud. So
both Ibn Taymiyyah and Abdul Karim, they this is my opinion, seem to be inclined towards the claim
that Jahannam is not eternal. But to say that they believed this is also not 100% accurate. They
defended it. Yes. And they said this is very plausible, especially if we don't pay him. They said
this is very plausible. Now. I want to just finish off here by saying that this question there's a
second question as well, that the the issue of Ibn Taymiyyah and his position has caused much
		

			controversy. Has it been Tamia typically always does Subhan Allah Masha Allah Ibn Taymiyyah is the
person I admire the most in all of Islamic history. And it is also true to say he generated so much
controversy while he was alive and even until our times not all controversies bad by the way, hint
hint. So, and of course even even TV of course, is very interesting. That's how to look I just have
to
		

			See this here that his followers and I have gently criticized many of his followers, His followers,
some of his followers today, they did not like the fact that they've been telling me I might have
denied the eternality of Johanna, because this is something that you don't find in any person before
even Taymiyah. So some of the modern people of that movement, who claim to follow in Tamia denied
that even Timmy ever said this. And they say this book is a fabrication. And they say he could never
have said this. And there are made massive debates within that movement, whether he said it or not.
And I find this so interesting, that they have constructed an image of me that even Ibn Taymiyyah
		

			could not live up to, if you understand what I'm talking about. If not, then don't worry about it.
But the image that they have of their version of Islam is so unreal, that even their own scholar
that they look up to, could not live up to their own interpretation of that image. And also I what I
of course, I admire Ben to me immensely, even though I'm not a blind follower, and I respectfully
disagree with some minor things. But one thing I love about Ibn Taymiyyah he didn't care what
anybody thought. And he spoke what he believed to be the truth, even if and this is a key point,
even if pretty much everybody before him said something else.
		

			And he seems to be one of the first people breaking away from a vast majority of scholarship. But he
feels the Quran and Sunnah says something else, simply because 99.9% of the people before him said
something didn't mean anything to him.
		

			And to me, that requires intellectual bravery, whether you agree or disagree, this is independent
mind set. And I hope that also contextualize this a little bit of other things without going too
detailed. Whether that is true or not. A low bidder just in the afternoon history will be the judge
in this world as well. But I agree with this point. 100% So what if 99.9% of the people before you
said it doesn't make a doc with a capital hat?
		

			And if you look at his position on the triple product, for example, we'll talk about the one because
that was a question also can window talk about that Ibn Taymiyyah was the first fapy the first item
to publicly state the triple Talaq cannot be triple and this is the fact where that even as her now
is adopting and other institutions are adopting because they realize the world is a very difficult
place if you follow this position, we'll get to the issue of triple Tada Ibn Taymiyyah was the one
who said this, that now is becoming standard position even though none of the mainstream scholars
before him said that so in any case, if you want a further reading, there is actually a book
		

			published by Oxford a collection of articles you also have my article in there published in it and
the title of the book is Islam and the fate of others by Muhammad Hassan Ali. And there is an entire
chapter about him and to me his view about Jahannam and there's also a chapter about my view about
salvation you will find it in that book that is our first question. The second question hamdulillah
simple easy very juicy inshallah simple and to the point.
		

			Our sister Fatima says that she has to take a medicine and that medicine has gelatin in it and so
she is confused is gelatin in medicinal tablets permissible standard question, we always get asked
it. So today inshallah we will answer this question in an academic fashion. Firstly, what is gelatin
gelatin is a type of protein it is derived from animal tissue. It is a form of collagen and it has
properties that makes it useful for various foods and medicines of them is that it can be very
easily made relatively tasteless and odorless and it has a protective layer so it can be made to
basically
		

			put medicine inside it and you have the gelatin capsule outside of it right so it's odorless and
tasteless and you're preserving the stuff inside of it or you can add sweet and make the gelatin
itself into a sweet think of jello. Jello is exactly gelatin that's what gelatin is right jello is
nothing but gelatin so that that material which is you know, just enough permeable and whatnot to
enjoy to eat gummy stuff and you put some sweetener to sugar. So gelatin can put give texture to a
food, it can protect the food inside of it. It's something that can be very useful in many different
		

			types of food and that is why we find it in so many different food products. Now, where does gelatin
come from? There are four primary sources of gelatin number one, animals number two fish number
three plants and number four synthetically produced Okay, these are the four sub primary sources of
gelatin. Now, we are talking about the first one if if gelatin comes from fish, it is halal for us.
If gelatin comes from plants, it is halal. If gelatin is synthetically manufactured in a laboratory.
It is halal, however, don't quote me but like 80 to 90% of the gelatin in the world comes from the
first category which is animal
		

			If you do not find gelatin from plants, except with great, great, great difficulty, those that are
strict vegans, and they will not take gelatin from animals, they will somehow when they manufacture
their pills, they will go to the gelatin from plants, and therefore the price is going to be jacked
up because it's more difficult, etc. So that's very rare to find gelatin from fish is also very rare
because I mean, come on fish bone seriously, it's not easy to do, right. So some types of gelatin
comes from fish. And typically when it does, it will also have the label on there. But these are
very rare as for synthetically produced gelatin, as far as I know, as far as I know, you will not
		

			find it in any food product, because to produce synthetic gelatin is like 50 times more expensive
than to just extract it from animals. So why would anybody produce it in a lab, nobody produces it
in a lab and then puts it in a food product, it costs too much. So the default when you pick up a
product and it says gelatin, where is it from? What's the default, animals ignore the other three
categories unless it's set so if it says And I've seen this with my own eyes, gelatin in brackets
plant derived if you find this on the product 100% Hello. And generally when the corporation is
using plant gelatin, it will want to tell you why. Because it's advertising to the
		

			to the vegans. Okay, so we're now talking about gelatin that is animal derived, and that is the
default now, obviously, obviously, now gelatin is derived typically from the meat and the joints and
sometimes even the skin of the animals, obviously, if you're going to use animals that have been
slaughtered according to the laws of Islam, so the animal itself is thought hid and it is there
behind what what not. Obviously if you make gelatin from those bones, gelatin is halal. Okay. Nihari
is one step away from gelatin.
		

			This dog Nihari Nihari is one step away from gelatin and it is 100% halal. Okay, so whenever you
invite your next, make your next new hottie I have to come and make sure it is halal for you as well
make sure you invite me for that. So obviously, when the bones are halal, what you produce from the
bones is halal. But when you go to the marketplace, are they using the Bhakra? from either of ha?
No, they're using where Which animal do they use most?
		

			Consider pig. Why do they use Pig the most? It's the cheapest for them. And also, by the way, the
most gelatin comes from those bones as well. By the way, it's two reasons. First, pigs are cheap for
them easy there. And then number two, the amount of gelatin they extract from that quantity is more
from pigs than from other animals. So the default when you see gelatin in the Western world, is that
it is not just coming from a animal, it is coming from the one animal that you don't want it to come
from, which is Kinsey. Now, I know that some Muslim countries produce gelatin.
		

			And if it's a Muslim country producing gelatin, the assumption should be the gelatin is hella
because we do not expect any Muslim country to produce from consider, they're going to be producing
it from cows and whatnot. And we assume it is halal. But we are worried about now the non Muslim
lands that we live in. So we say the most of the gelatin that comes from the substances that we
purchase on our shops here in this part of the world, it is actually coming straight from the most
nervous animal, and that is the pig. So with that, that was all the introduction. Now we get to the
big issue. And this is an issue that I want all of us to know. It's a simple rule of fic
		

			does something that is not just become pie here, when it changes.
		

			This is the question
		

			or does it always remain not just if the source of something is not just Will it always be not just
or when it changes, it will cease to be not just and we can now say that it is for what it is now
pure. The Arabic term for this. The fifth key term for this is, is the Hala is the Hala and all of
you without exception know the root of this word, because you say it all the time. La hawla wala
Quwata illa biLlah howl means hallelujah Hulu means what state change state is the Hala to change
from one house to another to change from one state to another. This is what is the Hala means it is
the technical term that the books of filth use about changing substances and products and this is a
		

			classical topic of Islam. You will find discussed in all the mud hubs. And the question is, does st
Hala make the Nilgiris toy here? That's the question Okay.
		

			And you will find and this is an interesting point because actually inshallah our minds will think
about this
		

			In early Islam, what I call classical Islam, the majority of the med hubs and scholars said no it
does not. And it is the standard position of the Shafi school and it is the Mortimer the accepted of
the humbly school and it is the well known also in the Maliki school as well that something which is
not just will always remain nameless. However, the Hanafi school mashallah Tabata Cola, they were
the forward thinkers here. And they said
		

			is the Hala renders Niger's into PA hear something that was not just one it undergoes a
transformation completely, it ceases to be noticed, and it becomes thought here. Okay, and
		

			and I'm going to be very explicit here Subhanallah I hope this doesn't also the 10 second clips into
the refutations I have to be conscious of them all the time Subhanallah
		

			our classical scholars with utmost respect to them, we're also human beings, and their fatwas and
the rulings and understandings are based upon the knowledge that they knew the fact of the matter.
Anybody who knows the most basic knowledge of modern chemistry, cannot possibly hold the majority
position anymore.
		

			Why? Because everything keeps on changing the atoms in us would have been not just at one point in
time, they're going to be nudged to another point in time. Change is a part of nature. And we all
are recycling our atoms. And what was not just becomes tired, what was thought it becomes not just
what we eat, goes out comes in oil goes out, not just right. And what goes out not just decomposes
and fertilizers and comes out to him again, with utmost respect, and this is not meant I will the
biller to make fun of you, it was the classical scholars of Islam, please don't read and we would
not be here without the classical and yes, even the medieval scholars of Islam is not a disciple,
		

			the bill is just the fact the scholars are human beings. And they just thought that something that
is not yours is going to remain not just forever. We love them, we respect them, but we now have
knowledge of chemistry, knowledge of basic physics knowledge that they did not have. Something that
is nudges when it changes and decomposes and completely become something else. It is no longer the
original and it is no longer an intrusive become star here we eat that which comes from the negative
becomes tired. Even physically we understand this we can take urine and in the simmer, simple
distillation in the most basic laboratory extract pure water from urine. Can we not do this now?
		

			Right? Pure, the purest In fact, many cities of the world, their drinking water is recycled water.
		

			You did not know this. Okay? This is well known. Now he's going to Google which city and never go
there. Right? Some of the largest cities in the world. Their tap water which they drink is the
notice that has been recycled and everybody understands it's completely legit, right? And again,
this shows us My dear brothers and sisters is not our divine law making fun of any minutes. It's
knowledge you build on what the past is, is that malarkey we, we thank you for all that you've done.
Now we take your contribution, we now benefit with what we know we move forward. That's what
knowledge is when we do so we're not trying to criticize the past. We're simply saying, we thank you
		

			for your services, we now need to move on, nobody can ever claim that is to have a doesn't change,
not just him to tell her this is now the default position of every modern scholar of our times and
every council of field across the globe. Even the shafted Council the field have changed their
method. And they say is to had a render slide into sorry, not just into the head. Is that clear
right now. And this is the position of all the scholars of modern times regardless of what the
classical said, because it's common sense. And chemistry proves this. Now, we firmly believe now
what's the evidence by the way, the evidence has many many evidences of them is vinegar. Vinegar is
		

			an evidence because what is vinegar? Many of us muslims have no clue what vinegar is. When you find
out you're shocked you're like is vinegar. How long is the next question? No, our Prophet system
came home IDF is in Behati and he said to Aisha, that is there anything to dip the bread in, you
know condiment is anything? And she said we only have vinegar. And he said give me the vinegar and
he dipped the bread and vinegar and he said what a great condiment Nirmal Adama hole. What a great
condiment is vinegar. Vinegar is a great thing to dip your button you know subzi type of stuff same
thing you dip your butt into eaten he ate vinegar. Vinegar is completely Halal by unanimous
		

			unanimous consensus. What is vinegar all Muslims do you have any idea what vinegar is? You would
know what is vinegar?
		

			It is Hummer that has gone through the entire fermentation process. You cannot get vinegar without
an intermediary of actual Hummer? Why almost lemons for marshmallow
		

			hamdulillah May Allah keep us this blissfully innocent, we should keep this blissful innocence. Why
do they cork alcohol?
		

			Why is alcohol always blocked? We don't want any air when they don't want them we rephrase that.
They don't want any air in it. Why? Because if you uncork the alcohol and you leave it be what
happens. It becomes vinegar. That's what vinegar is. Vinegar is fermented alcohol. Right now. The
majority of madhhab say that alcohol is nitrous whether it is or not as a separate issue. I will
talk about that one day but that's the position they have. And the majority of men to have all the
methods say all the men have say that that vinegar is thought you understand what's just happened
here is the HANA is the HANA the majority of men have all format to have say that alcohol is not
		

			just hammer is notice. And all the men have say vinegar is tall hit, what just happened is to holla
this shows us another example that is given as this is the issue of skin leather, are processing and
passed by a shoe hadith is in Abu Dhabi, and the ship was dead. It wasn't that I had died. So of
course nobody's going to eat the sheep. The person said why don't you Why don't you take the skin
and use use leather get the leather from the dead animal. And they said Yarrow, salts Mater. It's a
dead animal is not just and our profit system said tanning the animal, purifies the skin. Tanning
sorry, tanning the skin. So I purifies it, tanning the skin, purifies it. Now, the skin if you take
		

			it filthy wet, what not? This is not just correct. Yeah. Now you're going to tan it which means you
go through a chemical process, you put it in the sun, you do this and you completely change it is a
complete transformation. It was not just now it is for him. So this is the evidence in the Sharia
that clearly indicates is the Hala does make the nurturers into PA him. We are all understanding
this point. Right. Okay, final big section and we are done. Now that our proven is the Hala is
indeed legitimate in transforming the jossa into taharah. The question we need to ask ourselves is
the following.
		

			Is the extraction process for gelatin? A valid is to whether or not this is the question.
		

			We agree that is the highlight changes not just in total here agreed?
		

			Has gelatin undergone a sufficient is the Hala
		

			Is this a fifth key question or a chemical question Who can tell me
		

			chemical question. So believe it or not, based on what answer a chemist will give the four key will
have a different answer. You understand this point here. Once again, we are seeing different
specializations coming into play place. And if you Google is gelatin Halal without understanding
this also that I've told you all this also without understanding the soul, and you caught me 10 Rule
Amma seven of them or six of them will say gelatin is not just three or four will say gelatin is
halal. And you go look up those three or four who say gelatin is halal. And they will say so, based
upon the understanding that is the Hala has occurred
		

			in gelatin.
		

			In fact, there is no disagreement amongst all the 10 about the soul. The disagreement is in
Chemistry not in fact, believe it or not. So who should we ask a family or a chemist?
		

			For this issue, we need the faculty chemist and the chemical dream by the way. Okay. I have a minor
in Chemistry as true I do actually. It's all gone. By the way, it's all completely gone.
		

			But who should we ask the 14 Who are the chemist? In this case, we need to ask the chemist
		

			we need to ask the chemist has a genuine transformation occurred in the extraction process of
Gelatt.
		

			With my utmost respect to our fuqaha once we have proven that is the Hala is good and it is we now
need to find out whether it's the has occurred. And this is not the job of our folk Aha, they will
not tell us if this data has occurred in gelatin and in the extraction process. This is the chemists
job to tell us we go to the chemists, I have been to over a dozen specialists even though insha
Allah I am not to jehlen chemistry and I've done my own research and our own position, which is the
same. I have personally asked over a dozen specialists, including PhDs in chemistry and
biochemistry, including people that have specialized in collagen and in proteins. And I have found
		

			them unanimously to tell
		

			made the exact same thing, as I concluded with my very basic knowledge of chemistry. And that is,
what do you think?
		

			Mashallah, you want the easy position?
		

			Before I answer you, let me tell you this.
		

			And when I tell you this, you will know my answer, you can produce gelatin in your kitchen.
		

			It's very, very, very simple. You can literally, Google how to produce gelatin in your kitchen. And
you can take the bones, put them in water, boil them scrape a little bit, right? Take the bones out,
you know, make the water evaporate, do this and that. And that is basically your gelatin.
		

			What do you think I'm heading with this
		

			it is not a process that radically changes the structure.
		

			It is simply transferring that collagen from the bones of the animal into a substance that you can
use for your food. So very, very, very basic surface level. It's not even fractional distillation
level, if you know your chemistry and whatnot, it's very basic level. And that is why and one of my
friends that I spoke with us about this, and he was very passionate, and he was writing a paper for
a filthy journal. He's a PhD in biochemistry, but he's writing a paper about his data of gelatin,
actually. And he said, Just show me
		

			any gelatinous structure. And I will tell you with basic microscopes that I have, whether it comes
from a pig, or a horse or a cow, just by looking at the structure from the microscope, that's how
little change has occurred, that I can just look at and I'll tell you where it's from.
		

			And in my own research on this issue, I think it is very clear that
		

			it's the highlight, of course changes in the jossa to taharah. Yes, we agree. But gelatin does not
undergo a process of Mr. Hala
		

			gelatin does not undergo that process, you simply take the protein material from the bones of the
pig, and you transfer it into that candy or into that jello or into that pill that you are using for
your medicine. And therefore it retains, it's no Jassa the verdict will be that it retains that
adjuster. Okay, therefore, and by the way, this is the position of the much more I feel called
Islami. And I will always try to quote your mathematical estimate because I have said many, many
times out of the modern councils of the world. It is the largest and earliest and most respected
modern Council it meets in Makkah. Robertson ultimately, Stanley founded it, and it's one that
		

			represents almost all of the dominant schools of modern Islam and geographic geographies and over
100 or demand, moved to Tokyo with money all of these great orlimar are part of this module and it's
not me OYC ziani council and they have
		

			their power or their their decree, which is in front of me here issued
		

			October 31 1998, about the issue of gelatin, and it's an Arabic And I simply say that it is allowed
to use gelatin if it is extracted from Halal sources that are slaughtered According to the sources
of Islam. And it is not allowed to use gelatin that comes from haram sources like pig and the bones
and the skin of pigs and of the fatwa This is the fatwa of much metaphysical Islam and Robert and
Maccha were pretty much all the scholars that are there. They basically said, gelatin does not go as
to holla. It doesn't count as the Hala That having been said our sisters question was about
medicine. So we say if the medicine is needed to sustain a reasonable level of life, it's not some
		

			beauty product, and there is no alternative to conditions then this is the rule.
		

			If either of these two conditions is not met, if you're taking something for beauty, it's not
something that's needed for quality of life. Without it you're going to suffer or not have a destiny
it's not a matter of life and death by the way gelatin is not that no it's a matter of look, you
cannot breathe normally your blood pressure is going to die something of this nature where the
quality of your life will be markedly different and you have a product here that has gelatin in it
right and inside of it is your your medicine. If you can find a halal alternative for a price that
you can afford, then you should go to that Halal alternative and I humbly say most medicines will
		

			have a halal alternative as far as I know. Most medicines will have Halal alternatives do the
research. Okay. I even know of a case where the doctor said to him for this particular medicine. You
don't really need the capsule. You can open the capsule, put it into water than drink the water and
make sure you go to the doctor don't come to me go to your doctors right again.
		

			Yeah people of Islam don't ask scholars questions that they're not qualified to answer a scholar as
a human being a scholar is also by as a scholar has his own views, I cannot give you stock options I
cannot give you a you know if FIPPA view and you know you go to me for what I know and you go to the
specialist for what they know so, if you have an alternative excellent if not ask your doctor would
not okay this medicine can i Is it allowed for me to put in another substance without taking the
capsule and insha Allah this would be the ideal thing if you're not able to there's no substitute
and the doctor says no, this has to go in tact into your stomach, whatever. In this case, locally
		

			for long enough said Allah was and you're allowed to take this medication, if there is no
alternative and with that insha Allah Allah we come to the conclusion of today's halacha Inshallah,
tomorrow we will have our lecture was Salam alaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh