Channel: Umm Jamaal ud-Din
Laila Illallah Muhammad Allah so Allah, La ilaha illAllah Muhammad Allah, Allah, may Allah Illallah Muhammad Allah so Allah, Allah Allah Muhammad Rasul Allah, Allahu alayhi wa sallam and in Sylvania Allahumma salli wa sallam Island have you know, have you ever had an alumnus when he was on an island Urbino have you know, human alumnus? Well, he was within a mile in Urbino. Thank you all so much for coming. salaam aleikum shefa al hamdu Lillah Allahu alayhi wa sallam Island have you know have you been to Mohammed Salah? Hernan Rahim, can be so Hanalei will be handy. So Hannah, why are we handy? So I heard a lot he'll be handy.
how are you?
It's such a blessing to see you.
Coming on, thank you for inviting me inshallah.
There's a lot of fun you will have you know, Muslim rasulillah I had the extreme honor and the immense privilege and the joy of introducing she has her own jamaludin Mashallah. She has her own janella Dean is not only a shefa but Mashallah she is someone who has a diet she uses her knowledge and shares it and teaches in Australia Mashallah. She has studied the Quran she has an ijazah she's memorized it and Mashallah, she said it in Saudi Arabia as well. She has a Bachelor's in Islamic Studies. And Mashallah, as a mother of five children, four of her five children to botica have already memorized the Quran and in sha Allah The fifth was well mail Muslims how to make all of them
of those who live it and love it, and Masha, Allah She is also a copper and hamdulillah she has been a convert for over 30 years and has dedicated her life to Islam. So she has her own family Deen. We are very honored and excited to hear your story today in sha Allah. I've had the extreme privilege of getting to know you more personally in this past year. And I'm just so excited to actually talk to you How can you share with us on Jamila? Dude, she has her own Jelly Bean how you came to the poor at what is the steps especially as someone who's a convert has no background in Arabic who's coming into the religion fresh How did you enter the poorer? Alright, first of all, Bismillah
Alhamdulillah wa Salatu was Salam ala rasulillah wala, and he will softly he or Manuela will be shortly sadly were yesterday the MD Dr. Tammy Lisa, Annie. Yes, probably. I mean, first of all, I just want to say barakallahu li ke Shankar Madame, for inviting me, Allah subhanaw taala elevate you in status in dunya and earth era? And
may Allah not hold us to account for what, you know, was said about us and maybe forgive us for all of our shortcomings and make us better than what people think because, you know, the public image. Sometimes it, you know, amplifies your true self so much that, you know, I want people to have a realistic image of us. Not, you know, we're not, it's not an unattainable, you know, we're not on an attainable status or anything like that. So, um, well, I
Viki So look, um, I just, I'll just start off first mentioning how I first got introduced to the Koran. So like, initially, I had just read the Quran, you know, the English translation, obviously, and our men boss upon a lot of family giving me a lift in the car. And, you know, in the, in the, in the car, they were playing, you know, shut up to the bosses, up to summit, you know, the plane, he's recitation, and I didn't know what it was, you know, so I just asked them, you know, what's that? It's, you know, send them amazing of the sound. Yeah, because I actually have a massage, you have a singing background. So like, you know, I'm very sensitive, and
how can you Yani, how can I explain it, you know, like, Subhanallah, you know, you when you've got that kind of background, you're very more sensitive to, you know, analog, beautiful sounds, you know, so I just asked them, you know, what's that, and they told me, that's the Koran, you know, and I was like, panela imagine that, like, I just read, I just read the English translation and actually come from a Christian background. My father is a lay preacher. And, you know, the Bible is just read, you know, as in, you read it, like you read read it, you know, read it in your book, right? However, like to think that, you know, this quote, on is in a form that is recited in such a way
that's like, out of this world, right? Like, the sound of it is just, like out of this world, that's literally especially when you listen to you, you know, ship up to the boss, it's up to summit. I mean, the way he recites is just my shot a lot. It's another, another level, right? So, um, that was my first introduction. And like, I remember after that, you know, I would always want to play it in my bedroom. Like I was still living with my non Muslim parents at that stage and I sort of was this into it. It's just I'm very attracted to it. You know the sound. Of course, I don't understand a word but you know what, I just love the sound.
Anyway, then I remember this
really early like it was probably my first like they're taught this family told me on you know, on the 27th night in a Melbourne we're going to go to the masjid because you know that night in in our local Masjid everyone stays the whole night in the masjid, you know, ladies and men rights and men are downstairs or upstairs. And then on that night, they had a young girl she was about, I don't know, 15 or 16 something like that. And they got her to recite the Quran in the front of the masjid.
Right. And so like, I'm upstairs and I'm just this new reverb don't know much. Don't anything, you know. But then I saw this young girl, you know, reciting the Quran and I was really taken in by that, you know, it just, and just the whole night itself. You know, everybody knows, like, shall I was the night of the buzzer, but, you know, it's just, I just, I think it was like, having some sort of, you could describe it as, like a spiritual experience, you know, like, I felt like, there was like, Sakina around me there was like, nor like, it was just a beautiful feeling on that night, you know? Yeah. And, you know, she was reciting the Quran and then I was asking after that about her,
you know, like, Who is she, you know, they told me all like, Mashallah, like her mom had come back to Islam, and you know, her mother, they're born Muslims. But, you know, the mom had come back to Islam. And you know, her mom has started to memorize the Quran and all her kids, she got her kids to memorize the Quran, too. So when I heard that, I was like, I don't know, it just came in my heart, like Charlotte will be like that, too. You know what I mean? Like, it just came in my heart, you know, like that. But I also had a lot. Yeah.
So like, after that, I mean, even from the very beginning, when I first reverted, like, straight away, I started memorizing, like, short stories of the Quran, right? Um, but I couldn't read Arabic. So I used to just read from the translator, you know, I'd memorized from the transliteration.
What I used to do is I had a book and I would just write out the, you know, transliteration, and then I would write the English underneath. That's how I say,
So, look, I memorize all those really short, serous, like, you know, and just to give people an idea of how difficult it was, you know, like,
I remember one of the earliest series I memorized was sort of casiotone Alright, that took me about three weeks, because it was really tricky, you know, like,
how long? Yeah, about three weeks to memorize student casiotone? Because it is a tricky surah you know? Yeah. Um,
so that was, that's, that's the very, that's my introduction to the Quran, right? But then,
if we're talking about the actual journey of the Quran, like, that's how I got serious and sort of, you know, I really took that those serious steps.
So, like, just two people have a realistic understanding of what it takes to memorize the Quran, right? Because I think that people have got, there's too many stories of this person who memorized in nine months or Yeah, and three months, and then everyone thinks, Oh, my God, what's wrong with me? Why can't I memorize it? You know?
And especially, especially if you're not an Arabic, like, you know, you're not a
native Arabic speaker. I mean, to compare yourself to that is just so unrealistic, right? Unless you're like, a hottie that has like a
Anyway, look, to be honest, for me, it took me over a span of 20 years to memorize the Quran.
Everyone who's listening and who thinks, Oh, is it too late for me? Oh, I've been doing it for two years. And I'm not done yet. 20 Yeah. And because, look, I had a lot of life going on in between, I had five kids and hamdulillah. And I had a lot of life going on in between. So, um, in a nutshell, I mean, I'll, I'll say how it was. In a nutshell. Now I'll go into a bit more of specifics. So my memorization is kind of divided into two parts, like I did like half to put on in the early stage of my life before I had too many kids. Then I was kind of focused more on the kids while I was doing revising, and stuff, and then I got to a stage where I kind of got them a bit more of my hands and
started and went back serious to finish off the rest of the Quran. You don't I mean, that's how it was for me. Um, but I'll give you a bit of an idea. Like, this is a bit more in detail now. So
Alhamdulillah in the very early days of my life, just after being married, and having my first son, and hamdulillah we had the opportunity to travel to Saudi Arabia. Right. But up until that point, I had been memorizing from the transliteration, right. And so I, you know, I did do some research and just about Ah, can I just send it you know, so I had, I think I had like four or five edges that, you know, does that from, you know, the back of the Quran? Right, I had those done, but they're all from the transliteration. Okay. Yeah. And then, and of course, in the meantime also, I have to admit I have to also mention that I'm, obviously I've been learning Arabic like the the script, know that
Arabic script, how to read and write it. I've also been going
To read lessons to write
but what happened was
I wasn't able to memorize from the Arabic script because the Arabic wasn't familiar from the familiar enough with me like I wasn't familiar familiar enough with the Arabic to able to you know,
you know, to be able to memorize from the Arabic right so what happened was in Hampton a lemon for the lake Darla, along with Tyler, he, you know, opened the door for me to be able to study the Quran at Tom Donald Buddha in Jeddah.
A lot of people may have heard of that amazing Institute, and somebody's lying down. And so when he was, you know, the first class I took, we had to memorize the whole of suits le imraan. Wow, they just started yet.
Because I already had a bit of tech background by then. And believe it or not, I was still memorizing I actually memorized the whole extrudes lm Ron from my transliteration. Mind, you still did it.
but what happened
was I came to the next GL, and we were gonna do is to the bucket. All right, super bucket. Right.
So what happened was, I started doing the first few pages, but I said to myself, I just can't keep continuing like this anymore. I've gone on to the Arabic script, but by that time, I was a lot more familiarized with the Arabic script. So I began memorizing, you know, from the Arabic script by then, right, that's how I got myself onto that. Now, another thing that I should mention that was significant to me
at this point, you know, that when I was living in Jeddah, you know, Alhamdulillah I had the opportunity opportunity to meet many female half ivatan caught on right, many, many and one of them that particularly I have to mention, you know, inspired me, probably the most was my shaker, um, Karima
Sarah, Sarah, Pinsky. It's difficult to say last name, but you may know that she's very Mashallah her Ted read books are very well known her Ted read site, like online is is very well known and she's an American revert actually American convert, been living in Saudi for probably, I'm not sure how many maybe this must be 40 years by now. She's been living there.
But when I knew her, she had just finished memorizing the whole Koran, right. She just finished and she'd been doing them or adductor revision. So basically, you know, to see another revert, like myself,
you know, basically, uh, you know, I said to myself, you know, if she can do that, you know, she can memorize the whole Koran. And she's a reverse, she's a convert wherever you want, whenever you want to call her.
Then inshallah be vanilla with the help of a level Tyler, I can do it too. You know, that's, that's basically what you know, really inspired me, I think as well. She can do it. Yeah, we can all do and show love, even in love with the help of Allah. Right.
So, um, okay, so I stayed in Saudi for a bit longer. And then, you know, we ended up coming back to Australia, because by then I had twins as well. So like that was to cope overseas with twins and another child, that was just no.
So we came back to Australia, and by then I'd been raised up to the end of any sack. And, you know, and we didn't have any local cases, you could memorize Quran back then. Right? So basically what I did, I asked around my community, because we have a lot of Arabic come, we have a lot of Arabic speaking sisters in my community. hamdulillah. So I looked around, and, you know, I found someone on similar level of shepherds as myself. And, you know, we started memorizing together
and revising as well. And I remember we did up to probably like the end of October,
And then, about 10 years ago, when I wasn't as focused on helping my kids with their HIPAA, I began my own program. And I started memorizing like four edges that each year and that's about four or five years.
So that's in a nutshell, the way I went. But you know, what I'm saying is like, I kind of got the first sort of 10 and last five in the beginning, and then there was like, a time where I was going through where I was just like doing other things like a lot of other things in between a lot of other things, but still revising, always revising and handling micron and stuff like that. But then I went back into the more serious
organization, you know,
about 10 years ago, handle law, there are really powerful points that I think resonate with so many people. You talked about memorizing with a transliteration for those of you who don't know what that is, that's literally writing out the Arabic in English. So instead of reading Bismillah R Rahman r Rahim in Arabic you'd write B is m i l l h and read Bismillah for every single word of the sewer she's memorizing so you memorize this that for a disaster and so today about yet I did it
Probably about the last five I think it was last five. And then I know I did any Brian and I started in Buffalo but like I said, it was just like, we continue like that. Any of us, you know, when we start with a poor animal like, oh, our Arabic isn't good, it's really weak. It doesn't matter. I'm gonna read it in English and I'm gonna rise it. So how to lead as well. So I have a few questions, a lot of questions actually.
do listen, while you were reading at the same time, did you do those both at the same time? So look,
I like mean fully like Darla, like a lot. Allah blessed me with an Arabic speaking husband, right. So by the time I you know, it's only not very long I was memorizing on my own. And then after that, like I would memorize on my own but then I would check it back with my husband, you know, he would, you know, he'd be and listen to my
pronunciation because I just wanted to put a little warning that if you decided to memorize from the transliteration, you'd really need someone else there who's got you know what I mean? 90 Arabic speaker to be able to like, because you can make a lot of serious mistakes with the pronunciation if you memorize from transliteration. Just to put that I think that's important to mention. In here it is so yeah, it's just memorizing the Arabic and you're not sure how you're pronouncing it. So definitely, always work with the teacher sometimes people ask me about memorizing I'm like, do you have a teacher you need a teacher, but also so so when you were doing this transliteration, where
you also reading the English translation at the same time to understand what you were memorizing. So what I used to have this book, and I'll actually write out the transliteration and underneath would be the English words. So what happened was, I did start picking up a bit of Arabic, like, you know, doing your whenever you're, you know, like, it start to make, like, you know, seeing that dunya art means, you know, this this world and you know, alpha dies next life So, and I kind of had had limited Lebanese friends as well. So, um, I had, you know, a new bits and pieces of Arabic, like, you know, different different words. But that's, that's how I was trying to make it relevant by um,
you know, by by always putting this translation underneath. Yes. So, okay, just like last year, and for sharing that.
You know, memorizing, especially as people who come from non Arabic, you know, non native Arabic backgrounds. There's this expectation that we're just gonna, like, get it. And it's like, no, like, you're really in your own language for a really long time before
getting to be able to process the Arabic of it. Hmm. You also mentioned
your life and that was of this journey. One of them was seeing a young woman reciting poetry and when you were just kind of becoming just fresh into Islam, and the example of chifa Kadima.
Um, so these, you know, come to light, you are surrounded by women who have memorized and in gender just, this is normal. What? Yes, founded by that? How salutely What, what impacts you think? Or how important do you think it is for women to see other women in women's spaces? memorize them when we say don't put it in your own stories and panelo those were two huge, you know, points that many women don't ever experience. Yeah, look, I didn't realize how powerful that was. Until I realized there's no people out there who have never had that. Like I hamdullah will like it as a revert or a convert.
I I just realized how all of this means so much that I had such a positive experience into Islam because how do I have a different experience? I'd never been exposed to any of that.
I don't know what I mean. It could be very different. But I handle a lot of just you know, let me have that experience on hamdulillah Yeah,
um, you Mashallah are a mother who has helped your children and rice butter and so many of us want our children to memorize color and want them not just to memorize but to love it, to live it to understand and to call to it? How do you Mashallah for you know, when when one child memorizes before and we say to botica law, that's a blessing that's a blessing family, may Allah protect you, bless you and your family, how did you encourage four out of five and Mashallah your fifth is on the in the process inshallah, like, did you do that?
before? Okay, well, I want to do here because I like to be real. Okay.
I think real is very important, because these days everything is so fake. Okay. All right. So number one, the very important there's a few disclaimers, first of all, all right, so first of all, um, number one, I wasn't working. Okay, when I had my first and I had my twins Mashallah.
I was not working back then. So I was able to, you know, focus obviously on my kids. And I made that my priority like just just I wanted to do that. That was always inspired. I've met families in Saudi who, you know, like nine kids had memorized the Quran and I was like, your ally wouldn't be like that. You know what my kids
Like that I'm not going to let the fact that I'm leaving Australia being excuse, Well, okay, and we didn't have cron schools or anything back then. Right. So, um, so I was handed out, I said, I had to, you know, Allahu Allah gave me the circumstances that made it, you know, easy for me to be able to just focus primarily on the memorization and, you know, I really want that for my kids. Because, like, I knew how difficult it was to memorize and as an adult, and I just wanted my kids to be able to, I thought, if I can go into life with it alone, like, but, you know, the best martial law, you know,
the second disclaimer is, you know, I have to say, I have a very alberic supporting husband. Um, so, you know, this is something my husband wanted to my husband wanted is for the kids as well. So, that's why, you know, he was behind me, and, you know, he was helping me as well in the home. So he, you know, he enabled it and made it, you know, facilitated it from, you know, familiar to be able to do this.
And that's why I just want to say to sisters, you know, don't think he can do everything, right, don't think he can have that. If you want to get your kids to memorize the Quran, don't expect that you're gonna have the Spotless house, and you're gonna have the best food on the table. And, you know, you're going to be an amazing wife and calm and relaxed. And you know, it's not, you can't do everything. All right, we think we can do everything we can. Okay. So it's about, it's about, you know, deciding what you're going to do and negotiating that. And, and I don't, it's not just the mothers, I just want to quickly mention too, it's not just some mothers, I actually know a family, a
lot of my body a lot less than during Sydney, they've got 10 kids, that dad's the one who's sitting with each of the kids, right? And he's the one getting the kids to memorize, and I think they've got like about, I don't know, maybe five or six kids already memorized from those 10.
So it's not always just a mum, right. The other thing, which is very important to mention is that my kids do have an Arabic background. Okay, okay. My husband is a native Arabic speaker and a llama. Derek, you know, since I was small, he's always spoken Arabic to them. So like, it does, like, Look, I'm gonna be honest, it does make a difference to have an Arabic background.
And so, you know, if your kids aren't from an Arabic speaking background, you should not compare to someone who has, you know, Arabic speaking kids, like my kids are fully Arabic speaking like a normal Arab household, because I've always spoken English to my kids. But they still, you know, they're still got, I mean, like, now that some of them are very, very fluent, like you wouldn't even know right, but I'm saying they still had that RV because my husband was always speaking to them. And they will always reply back in Arabic. Right. So.
So that's my disclaimers. If
I'm so sorry, to cut you off, please go ahead. That's okay. No, go what you're saying, I'm just gonna say I really appreciate you pointing out these privileges, because not everybody has the same privileges or opportunities as other people. And many times when we talk about the other end, it is as if everyone has the same opportunities and is given the privilege has and that's so unreal, so thank you, for being so upfront about the realities of hunting that, that you have these particular circumstances, when that's not the reality for so many people, and none of us should compare our realities with yours. But we can all still take from the advice that you can give, because there's a
lot more that inshallah are irrelevant to anybody. Yeah. So, okay, so going to my tips and shalabi vanilla on, you know, how to get your kids motivated into this path of going on? Right? So,
obviously, number one, really, the best advice I could give anybody, right, and that is you have to look at your own love and connection to the Quran, that is so fundamental. And with anyone who's got any idea about raising kids, action speaks louder than words. Right. And my personal opinion is that, you know, mothers in particular, they have, you know, an A powerful opportunity to set the tone of the household. You know, like, imagine insha, Allah is, you know, if your kids, you know, they're walking into the house, they're hearing the recitation of their, their mother, you know,
there's just that motherly, you know, that that bond between the mother especially in the early years, they wake up in the morning and hear the recitation of the mother, you know, generally it's just a normal part of their household. You know, it's to hear that sound of their mother and the one, you know, the mother that you've already, you've got that, you know, connection with her. Um, and then the other thing is very, very, very important, which unfortunately, some people had this damage, which is very sad, but the kids have to grow up from small having had a positive attachment to put on. Right. So, what if you can try to combine between, like the warmth of the love of the
along with the recitation of the Quran, Mm hmm. You know, an example of that, for example, you know, when you're rocking them to sleep at night, you know that you've got that warm, you're holding them on your lap, you're embracing them and you're for example, reciting a to Kumasi for example, and they associate
The recitation of the Quran is something so warm and loving. Yeah, this is very powerful.
Okay, so we want them the most important part is to help them to grow up having their hearts attached to the Quran and having positive memories of the Quran associated with the quarter, I think this is really fundamental right?
But besides that, and then obviously, you want to do this yourself. Like, there's a lot of love, we have a lot of a lot more arm
alternatives now, but you know, time management, obviously, for anything you want to achieve, you need to have time management, right? So here, you know, if you're going to be you want your kids to memorize the Quran you like, I did start off with one, I only had one very hard to do, I don't know how anyone does, you know, a whole lot in one go, I only had one. So I start off with him.
And obviously, your first child, you have a lot more time to worry. Yeah. So and it's a priority. And so like, it's, it's a daily thing, you do it every single day, at a certain time, you have days of revision, and you have days of like memorizing, but you have to also be ready to sacrifice other things. Like there were many times where, like, what other people were out having barbecues and you know, doing stuff on the weekend, we were home, like we were home a lot in those early days. And, you know, we were revising, and I'm not saying I'm boring for them, but I'm just telling you that you can't just be out there and like, we've only got so much energy, right, you can't be out there
doing all this stuff. And then you want to come home and do all this memorization with the kids, you just got to really conserve your energy. And you got to focus your your efforts and energy into one in one to one place. Right.
Um, and so that's why you know, like, you really need to decide if this is what you really want, you know, you're, then you got to focus on that goal. And don't try to multitask. Don't try and do like, like, I think we are living in probably one of the hardest times now sisters in particular. You know, it's so much harder now to stay focused on your goals. Like imagine, I can't imagine how it must be for some of you may Allah make it easy. Like your young sisters, you've got your young kids and you're going on social media. And you know, this sisters, you know, she's written a book and his other sisters doing Tao and his other sisters, you know, and just overwhelmed. And you're like,
Okay, yo, and Susanna was that my business, I want to, I want to and then I'm supposed to be a perfect wife and mother. And there's too much. There's so many distractions now. Like, I didn't have that like back then it was like I can do a few sisters were doing stuff in the community. But like, you don't I mean, I was I didn't have to turn on my social media and get bombarded with all these successful soap stories. And I'm thinking like, I'm hopeless. I'm only sitting here with my kids memorizing Quran, you know. So I think that's a real battle for everyone now, how to stay focused, and then how to not also constantly be comparing yourself to what everyone else is doing and feeling
like you're not doing enough. Right. So yeah, I think that's Yeah. So like, Look, if you want to memorize if you want to do something like this, in this day and age, you're going to have to have enormous and not an enormous amount of, you know, patience and perseverance. You know, absolutely. You. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. No, you want to ask a question. You started by how, you know, building that love for the floor and with your children, you know, from the very beginning of just holding them rocking them, we sit in court and for them, and then you're kind of shifting to talk to me about the nitty gritty reality of it takes time and it takes a lot of focus and effort.
You know, children at times don't want to sit and recite, they just want to play. So how do you balance that when you know, you have you want to inculcate this love you don't want them to feel like they were pushed into doing something and they missed out of other things as children salutely Absolutely. So my daughter's just come on.
My oldest daughter, Leila, yeah. Um, so look, Alhamdulillah again, Alhamdulillah for everything. When I went through that Crohn's that Quran schooling Gita.
When I started memorizing the Quran, they actually had like a class for kids that were three years of age. And it was an amazing class and the teacher allama baddeck. May Allah bless her she was she, she's had a beautiful way in incorporating the memorization of the Quran, you know, with the level of the kids. So for example,
this is one of the greatest lessons I learned from her how to make the Quran light on the kids so they actually enjoy memorizing Okay, so she had little techniques, like, of course, the main way that kids learn at that age is repetition. Okay, but so she had them do different things while they're memorizing so for example, she might put them put the little kids like in a little train, they're putting their hands on each other's
you know, shoulders and they're going well do have well lately either suggests like, they like
isn't really going around, or she might have them on the, the table one stands up and says one AR the other one stands up, you know, she she tried to like, you've got to have some activity going on. But then, you know, but of course not disrespectful for the crime, but you know, just like activity. And so what I adopt adopted for my kids, one of the things I did, um, I didn't use it, make them sit there with their arms crossed. So like my son, he would be like playing with his Lego, for example, when when kids used to play with Lego that was
on the floor, and he just be playing because kids are listening. Like any one of you here, you've all got small kids, right? You all know kids are listening, even if they look like they're not listening. They might be looking like they're concentrating, but they're actually listening. So I would just recite the Quran over again, like the particular as I wanted him to memorize. And then you'll find the Pinilla that after a couple of days like you recite it for like, say, do they do it, say 10 times on the first day, 10 times the next day, 10 times next day, by the next day, if you can come on yellow Habibi sit on the lounge. Let me hear what you've got so far, you know, and you'll
find the panel, they've got a lot of the words already there. That's okay. So and then, obviously, as well, when he'd memorize a certain amount I used to give him like we'd memorize. I was firm on him, especially with my first one. I, you know, we had more discipline and stuff. But like I would always give him when he completed a certain thing I wanted him to do
I give him like a Do you have, you know, Kingdom surprises? Oh, yeah, comes in ache. Or he's to get that I put it up. And he used to love that, um, and when, you know, when they older, like, they want to let it go on the PlayStation two, when they had PlayStation,
PlayStation anymore. But like, if you had an iPad, like you've got to have a routine. So the best thing is first thing in the morning, when they first wake up, get them when they're fresh. And then they can do whatever they want the rest of the day. That's how I kind of got, you've got the when the kids when the kids get used to it from when they're small. It's really easy. They grow up like that. And it's just they take it, it's normal for them. So that's, you know, you're gonna make it normal. Yes. Hello. Um, but the other thing I wanted to say that the earlier you begin the better, right. So what why I say that is because you need the tongue to get used to the recitation. Because
when a child is born, if you've ever studied anything about speech development, like they've actually got the capacity to grab any sort of letter. Yeah, together. But as you get older, you lose it. Tongji though, yeah, so I could say like, as soon as my kids were saying basic words, my rent about two, two years and three months, you know, start getting into memorize put on several, for example, suit your class, that's the best one is easy, very short. And again, don't be don't think they're not taking it in, like they just staring at you. And you think they're not taking anything in? Guess what, after they start talking more,
it all starts coming out. And don't be too fussy. About like that I have every little how to for every little lead are like they've got the idea. You know, they're getting it, you know?
Um, so the advantage of teaching them when they're very young, like that is number one, like I said, getting it tongue used to it. And then number two, it becomes a normal part of their life. Like they grew up with it. And it's just like something that is so normal to them that they can't imagine life without going on in their day. Yes. You know what I mean? Yeah.
That is so cool. Yeah. And then, obviously, too, so we're talking I'm trying to think about all different age groups here, because everyone's thoughts on different age groups. But, um, look, I did use it with my kids and, you know, talk about the basic meaning behind the story, for example, you know, sort of let her Yeah, you talk about the story, even make it exciting, like kids need you to make it, they need you to break it down for them. make it relevant to their life, you know, so that they really feel Oh, yeah, you know, oh, that's really bad. You know, how did you do that? You know, and
so, that's what it's about. And then the other thing I wanted to mention was, um, you know, don't be in a rush to get them to finish. Like, I feel like
sometimes people get in a little bit of a, you could say maybe an unhealthy mindset where it's like, um, I want my kids to memorize the Quran by the time they're four.
And it's like, ultimately, it's it's not a competition and it's not about how like, let me tell you straight out okay, this is this is my experience please, you know, inshallah, I hope it's, you know, your take it on, but it's not about how old they are when they finish. But you know, the main aim is and ask yourself this, are they going to grow up and keep revising it as a youth and adult bodies more important because I have to say I've seen a lot of sad stories in my time.
When people like they're really we're putting a lot of pressure on their kids to memorize, you know, in a really young age, and then unfortunately, that kid grew up and lost their coat, and they didn't even feel motivated to keep revising it, or, you know, continuing on with the Quran in their life, and I would rather have my kid finish later, and be self motivated to hold on to it and be revising it, then, you know, they're memorizing a really young age, and then they just, maybe they've got bad experiences with it. And, you know, they just lose it. I have so many young adults talk to me about how they're just starting to go back to religion after they have memorized the Quran as a child, and
then completely distanced themselves from it, because they just couldn't stand, you know, the idea of feeling like they were forced into constantly memorizing,
when you have, you know, parents who want this for their kids, and they think that the way that they need to do it is just, you know, pushing them into it, that's when the kids don't even want to themselves. When you have teenagers, when you have older kids, what kind of advice do you do you have for, for parents who didn't start out, you know, in this loving, nurturing, fun way with them raising the other end. And now either they are trying to encourage their child, but their child wants nothing to do with it, or they have had children who have been kind of forced into my most important end, and now they really don't want anything to do with it. What would you what kind of
advice do you give in those circumstances? Look, with regards to the parent who may have had a bad experience themselves,
it could even be worthwhile,
you know, addressing the trauma that you may have,
because you don't want to pass that on. Like, you never know, how you might
unconsciously be, you know, kind of, you know, giving your child the impression that you've got some sort of negativity, for example, so you want to kind of like, address that trauma inshallah, within yourself, so that you can go over that. Because, you know, really, as I said to you, it's really important out an approach, like, if you really are coming to the Quran, with your heart, like, full of love to the Quran, the children's sense that straightaway. And that's, that's the most important thing. And like I said, it's going to be your example, ultimately, like, you can say, as much as you want, you know, happy go revise or code, memorize or whatever. But if you're not actually kind of
giving that as an example, that you're always with the court on yourself, then why should he go do it, and you're not doing it? You know?
So that's one thing, you know, obviously, I think, as parents, we all know, we've got things we don't like about the way our, you know, the way we were parented. So we don't want to be doing the same mistakes. So we want to think, go back and think, Okay, what can I do to make sure I don't fall into that, you know, past that mistake back onto my, you know, to my kids.
And I forgot, forgot the other part, you know, if someone's been brought up with them, you know, trauma themselves.
again, I think it would be worthwhile to consider doing some work with that, and realize that that was just actually not the Koran that you've got a problem with, it's actually, unfortunately, the parenting style that has sort of,
you know, given you some trauma, that now you've unfortunately, attached to the words of Allahu taala. But the words of a loudhailer themselves are something that, you know, upon a lot is so much, you know, blessing in them and the hope and the motivation that you get from the woods of a lot of resilience, the, the, you know, this, you know, solidifying of your Eman that you get through reciting the Quran that, you know, upon, are you missing out on that if you're not holding on to it? You know?
So, Pamela, is that cool? Yeah. Jackie local. Hi, Ron. I, um, I was working at a long time ago, I worked at a Muslim camp, and I was teaching a quota and for the kids and one of the things that we did was because they were so excited all day, they got to paint and run and everything was, you know, water games, but for anti and what we did was we made it like you mentioned like for the younger kids, we had them listening while they were just playing for the older kids. It was just games It was like games with water and and it just really changed you know, the perspective of teens who came in like all 4am class, but then left with like, what is your ad class because relevance and
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not a lot. Okay. Because by the time I finished doing all my own revision
and reading and all the other things I do in my day, right? Um, I don't tend to actually listen as much. You don't try to say but what in the past I like I would always I always loved
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there were so many themes from what we talked about today whether it was learning about the poor and and listening to it and that is what brought you this like, you know this like amazed like you were amazed when you are looking into SM and becoming Muslim, the young girl who you heard recite your Korean teacher talking about woman inculcating this love for their children and loving it ourselves. So many of us didn't grow up in communities where we saw a woman reciting the Quran constantly. And, you know, many times right now women say, I wish that I had this connection, but
they blame themselves for not having it. And I think that we all should be responsible. Of course, we should all be responsible. But there are also times that women never were exposed to the idea or were oftentimes, and I've heard so many stories of women who are not encouraged to go towards the end, because at the end of the day, you're never going to lead the way up. So what's the point of memorizing I've heard that so many times, unfortunately. What is the culture like in Australia for women and memorization? Are there women who are actively memorizing and put it on? What is it like for women to have examples of other women reciting Quran? Does it make a difference for a woman to
have those examples?
hounded a lot in Australia, to be honest. Um, so we have a high percentage of, you know, our communities, predominantly in the Arabic community. Oh, I'm so look, I've always known everybody like everybody's hamdulillah here, very keen to memorize the Quran we have now and hamdulillah Koran schools.
You know, people are encouraged like what men or women you know, it's always been like that, even out our main mosque down here. Like, they've always had Koran competitions for kids. So, you know, males or females, the kids are always participating in, you know, like, for example, you have to each year, you have to memorize a new juice. And then in Ramadan, like the last 10 nights Second,
you know, like, the night of the 29th, for example, they'll give out the prizes to the kids who
have memorized like a new juice, or maybe they've done five, you know,
so, it's like the kids grew up males or females, you know, memorizing the Quran. And, um, yeah, handily, like, I think probably sisters are probably memorizing the Quran more than brothers here.
To be honest,
what a blessing, Mashallah. And that, that to feel that encouragement from the community to feel like it's part of this, you know, this, this culture, this coffee look for it, you know, if you don't feel it, I mean, not everybody like is paying people not doing that. But I mean, if you look for it, you can find it. Yeah. It's not hard to find, if you want to find it, it's there. And that's, that's, you know, a blessing. So Pamela, yeah, of course, I'm hamdulillah. Um, do you have advice for someone coming into the hood as a convert? Or someone coming to the Quran as a non native speaker? What advice would you give to someone who is looking to start their journey, but have felt
like they just don't have the background, they've had negative experiences, they don't even know where to begin? What advice would you give?
Look, I think number one, that's what I was sort of getting to before is done. Number one, don't compare yourself to born Muslims. And especially not the ones from, you know, Arabic speaking background,
and realize just be real and realize that your struggles are going to be far greater than, you know, someone who's already had the Arabic language growing up, or at least, they grew up listening and reciting to Iran from when I was small. Right, it's very different. And I think the other thing is, you know, always keep in mind that the reward we get for our struggles, is according to our, you know, our loss, you know, as sincerity.
And, and the effort as well, that you put into it and, you know, it's not, you know, the more difficult and, you know, the longer it's going to take you to you know, become fluent in reciting or you know, memorizing, then be below $1 you know, the greater the reward and Sharla you know,
you know, if you look at the Hadees recorded by email or by Heidi, in which the Prophet sort of lawyers told it Sharia law and her edge ruukki Allah padri na sabiki
you know, like your, your, your reward will be according to your, you know, the, you know, the tiredness that you get, you know, she had to do an extra part of worship because something happened during Hajj
you know, and she had to do extra and
was more tiring for her. So when when someone has, has to do greater effort in order to do an act of worship, you know,
and they've got it, obviously that also takes you have to have more sincerity as well to be able to do that because to stick to that and not compare yourself to others and all those things, it's not easy. So you have to just always revisit your, your intention, you know, but like
any lawyer, yeah, regular thinking, I'm
gonna say, you know, at times I do actually have classes here in Sydney. And obviously, you know, one of the main students I have are like,
quite a few from, you know, converts or you know, especially non Arabic speakers. One of the things I tell them because, you know, they get flustered everyone gets frustrated You know, you're trying to recite, it takes a long time to fix your rules, you know, fix your letters. I tell them what, Allahu Allah told the prophets that alone is salam, you know, led to Headley PDD sanika Yuta jalebi, you know, don't try to Don't try to you know, rush Just take your time in sha Allah, Allah Allah Allah will just with time with patients with da inshallah Allah to Allah will facilitate, you know, open up the door for you. And remember that as of the Quran Allah Allah says, Well Ludhiana Jehan
rufina Lana's Deanna Hoon sabudana what, you know, Lucha Lama moistening, right? Like those who strives for our sake, we guide them to our paths. So it's, you know, you make the effort inshallah, you make the drive to ask a lot to open the doors for you shall not allow Tyler, He'll open the doors for you and shoreline, and I'll be with you and your path being in the
coffin. And that was so beautiful. Okay. And you also spoke about reading the transliteration while you were memorizing with the translation? How important do you think it is for people to understand what they're memorizing?
Look, it is obviously very important, because otherwise, you're not gonna have any connection, you're not feeling like you're feeling what am I doing this fall, it's just like, this big disconnect between the words and you, she knows so. But to be honest, the the,
you have that also takes patience to like, I went through a stage where I was memorizing a lot of things, I didn't understand them, but like, you know, if you can try to it is it is easy, it is important to pursue the path of Arabic language as much as you can as well. So I do encourage people to at least get like a background Arabic that, you know, gets to get you to a level where you at least understand most of the Quran, you know, most of the words of the Quran at least. So that that way, like when you're memorizing, you can connect. But look, again, you know, memorizing can actually help you build up your Arabic vocabulary. Right, right. Right. So you know, yeah, so I
found that as well. I found that as I'm memorizing I start picking up new words, and I start Okay, start making connections. And so you actually do build up a vocabulary over time as well with the memorizing, yes. panela Yeah, that's so so beautiful, though, you know, something I think about as someone there were so many times before I learned Arabic that I was like, I wish that I knew Arabic and panela just the fact that you can listen and read and read the translation, like the more you do that, the more that your vocabulary increases. And it's such a gift that Allah gave one language that anyone can learn. This isn't something that you have to be born with. Like you can learn a
language this is a this is a study, you can study this and then you can know it, some handle is shown on a lot of fluffy t shirts. Is there any
or unfortunately Your time is done. Yeah, that's okay. Um, look, I think
probably go back to what I was saying before, like whether you're talking about your memorizing or whether you're talking about trying to get your kids to memorize.
Remember, the most important thing is you know is the intention and Sharla You know what, why you want to do this go revisit why what is your why behind it? And remember Allah Allah says in lm e la Wolfie rubycon highrock ut confira buches Allah knows that you've got inshallah the good intention in your heart, he'll give you the good, he'll give you the good outcome. So, you know
one of the main reasons I wanted to get my kids to memorize the Quran is because in today's society, there's just so many negative pressures and I'm gonna bring up my kids in one Muslim country, not that the Muslim countries are
much better either, but I just felt like there's been a lot of negative pressures on them. And you know, that's affecting everyone z men were detrimentally affected you know, in every man by the all the pressures Right, right. So that's why I said to myself, you know, if I can show up, you know, fill their hearts with the good on then be in the la sala, this will be from the greatest protections for them. And inshallah, you know, of course, if it's done the right way, like I was mentioning, if you do that you build them up from within
It's a protection between the left arm, you know, misguidance and, and from the negative pressures, right? So that's one thing. And the intention, why you want to do it not because you like, I'm, I think people need to be careful about, you know, putting the kids too much out there on social media, like it could feed the heart with the wrong kind of,
you know, it could breed certain maybe wrong kind of ideas about memorizing the Quran, we wanted to do it, like,
you don't want to say from them from the heart, and you know, and have the right intention and get it because the other thing too, I'm gonna say to you,
it's possible that someone puts their kids out there when they're small, but then that pressure of having that public status could actually be really detrimental for them, like as a teenager, like, because if everyone knows him like that, and then they're not able to live up to that image, but we all know, like, you know, shutting somebody, um, you know, that being a public speaker, I'm not that you necessarily chose it, it just happened, right?
But, but there's a lot of pressures that come with that. Yeah. Right. And it's hard enough as an adult to be able to deal with that. They learn, expect your kid to be able to deal with that, and they're gonna go through the teenage years, still, there's a lot of stuff happens, you know, in the teenage years. So, um, look, yeah, I think the best thing, you know, moulden when they're small,
you know, and the other thing, make a lot of dough and make a lot of dough out for yourself, make a lot of glass for your kids, always in your sector. Ask a lot to back $1 you know, to make you and then show if you want to be from the vino Quran, you know, but look, our kids don't have to be happy being they don't have to be memorized the whole Quran, if at least we put what we can in their hearts, you know, and the most important thing like I said, we want them to grow up with the love of the Quran, and a habit in their daily life. That's the most important thing. Thank you so much. Thank you does that fluffy and that is so important to clarify that this isn't about Oh, my kids
have memorized the Quran. That's amazing. No, it's about giving them tools of connection, that they feel grounded no matter where they are. And then inshallah they can always go back to the meaning and live it and love it and call to it. And Pamela, it's just so powerful when you help your children have that tool of self soothing and resilience, and being able to face anything in life, knowing that they have the Quran with them is really so powerful. It's so powerful as an adult. So I can imagine as a child, how powerful that must be. Yeah, that's it and
it's such an honor and such a gift and a blessing to have you I feel so motivated and inspired to take your words to heart and until implement your advice into my own life. How can anyone classes with you or connect with you? What's the best way for people to learn from you? So look, I don't actually run like put on classes online. Alhamdulillah I already have a few classes he I just did a lot of a lot of American living a time where classes are everywhere, you can wait, you can you will find you know,
the class. But besides that, you know, like I do have my, you know, my platform online, basically, I use my platform more for allowing us to connect if they need to, they've got like questions about Facebook, for example, or just general Islamic questions. I'm I you know, handle I have, you know, a [???]tier degree. So I'm able to help sisters, you know, with anything and also, you know, I dropped my youtube channel as well, right? I put a few lectures on there. Okay, that's for the time being, yeah. on YouTube, and I have been inspired and motivated. I'm just gonna spell out your name. inshallah, for anybody who isn't able to see it. It's u M, M, underscore, J, a, m a, l underscore UD
underscore di n en Jamil or Dean, you can look her up and show on Instagram, on Facebook on YouTube. And you're saying that people can send them your send your questions if they have them? Yeah, but if you all start sending questions today, I might not be able to answer them all in one go. I've a lot of stuff going on. Facebook is just like, a small part of my life. Like, I have a big life here in Sydney. A lot of other responsibilities and hamdulillah lamella always give you success in everything that you do. Does that's located for taking the time out of all your responsibilities to speak with us. It's been such an
award, you know, giving me the honor of having this chance to speak to my sisters around and around the world. And I asked a lot of data to fill our hearts and our children's hearts with the you know the love for the for the Quran and maybe unite us all in genitive to ghosts in Sharla your planning
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