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Let me take this opportunity to congratulate you
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for punishing genocide Alhamdulillah, as I said, it's
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a it's a bittersweet victory.
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Obviously, we're just beginning but the very very
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first step as we understood it was to
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attach a political cost to Zionism and the
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genocide and Alhamdulillah, we we played a significant
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part in that and for we're grateful for
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the opportunity to do that And now we're
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looking forward to what comes next Mmm, how
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was the mood at Jumu'ah today?
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It was good most of the khutbahs that
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well the khutbahs I listened to and the
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other people that I am aware of that
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were swapping notes about khutbahs many of the
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Messages were attempting to be about reconciliation unification
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these sorts of things you would sort of
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expect But the mood is fine.
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Yeah, I didn't see anybody really either freaking
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out some of the grocery stores with more
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Republican I think the the mood at hope
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that Whole Foods is different than the mood
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at Walmart People at Whole Foods are probably
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panicking and the people at Walmart are high
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-fiving each other So we live in a
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divided land So tell me about the the
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Muslim Contribution to this because I've heard kind
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of different things I've been I've been listening
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to what you've been saying and the different
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brothers from across the pond What what do
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you think in your opinion I want I
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want to get get your views on okay,
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what's next but before we go on To
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that what's what's the Muslim contribution been do
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you think very good?
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I mean it it is incontrovertible fact that
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Palestine and Gaza were among the most important
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factors in this election and in order to
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Figure that out.
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You don't look at what people say You
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look at where they spend their money Because
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Politicians are liars almost categorically almost to a
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man So they will say things in order
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to make you fit think that that's how
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they really feel But they say things that
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are very, you know misdirection right now that
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everybody's wrestling over the narrative Democrats are saying
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No, we lost because it was the economy
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or no is immigration or no it was
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this everybody's fighting over the narrative But if
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you look at where they spent their money
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It's no accident that both Trump and Harris
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spent at over a week in Michigan around
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Detroit and then their very last destination was
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the Lehigh Valley in Pennsylvania swing districts swing
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states with swing states with large Muslim populations
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and Their mailers the mailers that they were
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sending out were explicitly About this messaging one
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way or the other the Trump campaign Crunched
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the numbers we found out the New York
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Times ran an article where the Trump campaign
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Calculated that the undecided voters the voters that
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were still undecided within the last few days
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of the election were six times more likely
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to decide based off of Wow, and that
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was and that was completely borne out by
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by reality They poured their last week or
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the last ten days Into PR and meetings
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with the Muslim community Trump went to a
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Yemeni cafe in Dearborn, Michigan He went on
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stage and he praised Muslims and he prayed
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our he praised him.
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He praised Muslims and praised Arabs He said
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that they are they're not terrorists.
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There are friends.
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They want peace all this this sort of
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thing It might all be lies who knows
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but the thing is that he tried like
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he recognized that it's a formidable force Exactly
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and it if it were not a formidable
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force, they would have put their money and
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their time elsewhere the same thing with Harris
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Harris was going around now she because she
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had Essentially decided to go all-in on
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the Zionists and not depart even an inch
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Whatsoever, but she was still in Michigan up
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until the very end of then in Pennsylvania
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They were still trying to do some mixed
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messaging If you saw the mini scandal where
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the news came out with how different her
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messaging was in, Michigan right and even the
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how different her messaging was to the Muslim
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community versus the the Jewish community she was
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sending mess like mailers and and text messages
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to the Jewish community saying if you've seen
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mixed messaging, don't worry like Harris is a
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hundred percent with Israel.
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So she trying to have her cake and
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eat it too.
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This is 2024 You're not gonna be able
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to get away with that Whereas she was
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bussing people in from out of state brown
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people.
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That was the criteria They had to be
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brown in order to go door-to-door
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in Detroit and in Dearborn to listen to
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Arab voters and They were told explicitly and
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I was shown text messages They were explicitly
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told to listen to their pain and sympathize
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with them and guide them back to voting
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Harris So you don't do that if the
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Muslim vote doesn't have power Like that was
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there that was their last there if they
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had three last moves on the chessboard All
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almost all of those moves are exhausted on
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the Muslim community So yes They must don't
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let anybody tell you anything different now They
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want to deny it because they don't want
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the Muslims to think that they that they
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have that much power going forward They would
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much rather Ignore the Muslim vote and ignore
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the burgeoning Muslim political power.
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So now there's this sort of denial That
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had anything to do with the Muslims Or
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there's denial about how many Muslims voted Trump
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or excuse me How many Muslims didn't vote
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for Harris, you know, some people are trying
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to peddle the the the numbers that oh
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Well most Muslims voted for Harris anyway, so
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it wasn't them It was it was this
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other group for this other group But you
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don't you don't get that type of spending
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that type of time that type of resource
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allocation if you're not the Major front and
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center decider in this election and that's exactly
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what happened.
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So in other words, it's the genocide stupid
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Yeah, exactly.
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It's the genocide stupid so One thing I
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heard actually, I think you said this about
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the abandoned Biden campaign the Madden abandoned Harris
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campaign is That there's been an attitudinal shift
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in Muslims.
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No more.
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Mr. Nice guy Oh that really made me
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proud of the the Muslim community there.
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Masha Allah.
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Can you explain to the the views what
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you meant?
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Absolutely.
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Okay, I was gonna grab my charger.
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So you carry on sure.
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So the abandoned Biden movement started in the
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late fall early winter of 2023 and It
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was started by people that are very Politically
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astute who realized that there's no ability to
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negotiate without leverage and So they drew a
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line in the sand and they said that
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If we don't get a ceasefire by X
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date Then we are going to ensure that
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Harris loses or at that point it was
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Biden We're gonna ensure that the Democrats lose
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a presidential election now when this was the
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attitude and they came out or We I
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mean I was kind of always sort of
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on the sidelines, but you know involved a
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bit with the movement There was so much
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skepticism There was so much naysaying the same
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things that you're hearing now about the Muslim
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the Muslim vote doesn't matter You guys are
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wrong.
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You don't know what you're doing.
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The math doesn't work out.
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You don't have the numbers You don't do
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that like all the naysaying of the Muslim
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community came out like it was very very
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intense It was almost like Noah building the
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ark people like walking by Ridiculing, you know,
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I'm serious and I'm fully fully like I
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know a second if you're not Actual person
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that's in the pay of one of these
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parties.
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I will have be happy to have grace
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with you and say, you know Now, I
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hope you see what this was about Now
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what surprised me?
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Was that come?
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March I would say come March People that
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I never expected to come around to this
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sort of logic and fully abandon the Democrats
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did in in droves there were people that
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we were having discussion with and dozens of
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whatsapp chats, you know every day for you
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know, since October since November and these were
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people that were highly skeptical of abandoning the
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Democrats in December By the time we hit
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March or April We really saw the mainstream
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the bulk of the Muslim grassroots community Lock
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in on that message lock in on the
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Democrats have to be punished Now what was
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what was interesting to me?
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Was that this was not the preferred?
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Attitude or position of many of the Muslim
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elite that there were people that either they
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had developed relationships within the Democratic Party or
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they had run programs with the Democratic Party
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or they were doing political advocacy and most
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of their they understood the Democrats to be
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a natural ally So you had a really
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interesting Confluence of factors where the Muslim community
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was on was was doing what they had
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to do and Certain both individuals and organizations
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were almost like nervously looking around like well,
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I guess we can't say anything so it
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became It would have and we saw this
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actually play out with Mattie Hassan later, right?
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So the same thing that played out with
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Mattie Hassan where he tries every trick in
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the book to try to run interference for
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the Democratic Party, he tries to say Trump
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in the first hundred days.
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He's going to do all this He's going
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to all is we're not gonna have a
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democracy anymore We're not gonna have it's gonna
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be a dictatorship all the like maximalist worst
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-case scenario There were people and there are
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people and groups that wished that they could
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have said what Mattie was saying But they
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understood like Mehdi found out that if they
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said those things their credibility would be shot
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Because the grassroots bulk of the Muslim community
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would not have it and that was something
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that I did not anticipate I thought that
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this was going to be a Vanguard movement
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to the end and that it wasn't really
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necessarily gonna catch fire Like it did but
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we would do the right thing and maybe
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we would Get lucky quote-unquote and then
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take credit for it and and see what
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happened but this was actually again by by
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March April definitely May because the and the
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Democrats made it easy for us because they
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kept on with their insistence and their butchery
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and their arrogance and you saw Stephen Miller
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and all the the talking heads everybody was
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so Evil and they didn't have that one
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thing that Obama was able to leverage against
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the Muslim community Which was that sort of
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credibility and the charm and the articulation they
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didn't have that it was just bare-naked
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fascism which made it really impossible for The
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Democrats to then come to us and say
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well if you elect Trump, then you're going
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for fascism We're like the Democrats are already
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there Every single thing no and this was
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the conversation that and I wasn't I was
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able to just like sit back and eat
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my popcorn and what and watch people who
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Who three or four months ago were skeptics
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We're now holding these people's feet to the
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fire and saying that the Democrats are already
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doing it You're saying Trump's gonna do this.
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The Democrats are already doing it.
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Like what is worse?
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What could be worse?
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So that was the actual sentiment of the
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Muslim community and then you know We tried
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to do what we could my me on
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my side Jalal worked really hard at Sammy
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Hamdi worked really hard a bunch of people
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worked really hard in order to try to
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Just keep the pressure up that nobody would
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buckle at the end because that's what we
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were afraid of that that the the Circumstances
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would be such that it would become in
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doubt and that people would buckle at the
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very end What we saw is the exact
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opposite at the exact opposite more people came
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through than we expected But they came through
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in a way that we didn't expect they
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actually came through by voting for Trump directly
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How do you know who they actually voted
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for you don't but it's anecdotal So I
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I can't count the number of people that
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when the last half of October came around
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Messaged me privately and said doesn't it make
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more sense to vote Trump?
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And I was I would have to give
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people advice I said well my position was
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and and and was till the end if
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you think that this is going to be
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extremely close and You are able to stomach
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voting for Trump then there's a there's a
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mathematical logic to that And that is a
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logical action.
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If you think that it's gonna be a
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blowout like I did I thought it was
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gonna be a blowout for Trump the whole
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way and You're more concerned about demonstrating with
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exact quantifiable measure What is the Muslim political
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power?
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Like shifting it into like using the Green
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Party as a bank To store our votes
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to measure to say this is how strong
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we are.
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I was trying to think long-term but
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The Huge number of people literally the day
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of told me that they flipped from they
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were planning on voting Stein They got nervous
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that Harris was gonna win and they ended
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up voting for Trump, especially the people in
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Michigan and people in I mean I'm what's
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up?
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There's like over 800 people, you know, we're
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hundreds of people in Michigan hundreds of people
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in Pennsylvania And I was as well probably
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I have my phone cover.
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Yeah, I have my my spies You have
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to and a lot of spies on those
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groups or maybe people in a you know
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Part of the Democrat Democratic Party machinery You
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know, they're in there kind of minions or
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whatever but Yes, so it seems It seems
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like they maybe do you think is a
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Gen Z thing as well?
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Why is it like all generations because I
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feel like Gen Z even here all over
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the world they don't they're not as passive
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As you know compliant as no deal That
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is absolutely true I don't know if that's
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what tip the scale in the election But
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I do know that from my because we
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will have to wait to see what the
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data is on how much Gen Z turned
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out to vote in general Traditionally the younger
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generation is underrepresented in electoral politics They usually
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don't get out the vote But you're absolutely
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right about the character of Gen Z and
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I've seen I've experienced that a lot of
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on the activist scene so if you go
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to the activist scene the protests and and
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that whole the college scene absolutely very unapologetic
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very You know, they need guidance like they
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make sort of some mistakes as we all
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do but they're thirsty for the guidance Which
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I give them credit for they want they
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want someone to come in and show them
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What's the Islamic way to do all this?
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They want to politically organize they want to
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have a real impactful change They they are
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not afraid to go to toe-to-toe
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with anybody.
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They're ready to go to toe-to-toe
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with elected officials They're ready to go toe
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-to-toe with the universities They're ready to
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go toe-to-toe with all of these
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threats that they have they understand the threats
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that are against them quite well But they
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they need help And they need help with
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how to do that.
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So I'm just so definitely that's that's a
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that's an accurate assessment I'm not sure and
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time will tell whether that translated into being
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an effect with no election or not.
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But did you see?
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Shift in attitude in in older generations as
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well.
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Yes so that's the thing like the people
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who we know voted and the people who
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are in the In the chat groups and
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duking it out over these issues.
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They were the older generations they were that
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mid generation of the from 30 to 50
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or from 30 to 55 and They I
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was I was pleasantly surprised how many people
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came around So from from afar, it seems
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like it was basically look.
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Yeah, Trump says bad things about us who
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might say bad things about us, but The
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Democrats are doing actively doing bad things about
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us We need to just just take the
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bear the nuisance the the tedium of the
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first one to punish the second one yeah,
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I mean the thing was the Democrats made
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it easy in the sense that They didn't
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give anything for the Muslim community like all
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of the Democratic operatives would have loved I'm
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sure they were pulling out their hair They
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would have loved if the Democratic Party just
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gave them something to stand on but they
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gave them nothing and so in the face
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of such callousness and disrespect I mean for
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For the love of God you go you
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run with Liz Cheney and you brag you
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brag in Michigan and you brag that a
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hundred neocons Are endorsing you like as I
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said on Paul's program.
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It's as if they wanted to lose It
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was the most cynical campaign I've ever seen
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It was the most spiteful campaign to the
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Muslims I've ever seen as almost like it
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was almost like they're dangling a leash To
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the Muslim community and say all right time
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to get back on the leash Muslims Like
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that was the attitude with which so it
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became very very hard People saying well Trump,
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you know moved the embassy We're talking moving
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the embassy which obviously none of us like
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Moving the embassy versus we're looking at kids
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body parts every day in Plastic bags like
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you can't you can't compare those two things.
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Oh Trump is going to You know end
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democracy The Democrats already ended democracy like like
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look at how they pushed out anybody else
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they undermine it They made sure that it
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was Harris as opposed to anybody else.
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They don't want an open primary They didn't
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want any competition that Harris was there.
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Look at how they go for their rivals
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go against their rivals They shut out Palestinians
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at the Democratic Convention They as I said
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spit in the face of anybody who hopes
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that even wishes them Well that has a
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dissenting opinion They're so spiteful like they really
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really Messed it up like like they it
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was almost a foregone conclusion So people were
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not willing to tolerate that type of discourse
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They were not willing to be told things
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are going to be worse under Trump and
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even now You have in all of these
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whatsapp groups and places.
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You've got the one voice who is saying
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Oh, you guys don't know what you just
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did Trump is going to do this trauma
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stuff But most people don't care most people
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said like yeah, that was a calculated risk
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that we took but we could not give
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a raise and a promotion to someone who
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was in charge when this genocide happened and
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Make no mistake.
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I mean if you had if Harris had
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won it would have been a promotion We
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would have zero leverage whatsoever If they were
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able to do that to us and then
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get rewarded by having another four years No
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self-respect or dignity either to be frank,
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no, absolutely But like you mentioned Pretty much
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all of the mainstream legacy media even lots
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of the kind of Young kind of podcast
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non-muslim podcasters out there.
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They're talking about this being oh, it's because
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of the economy Inflation all that kind of
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stuff.
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So you're squarely saying no it was because
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Primarily because of the genocide Absolutely Look at
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where they spent their money That's just look
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at where the campaign spent their money what
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their messaging was No one was talking about
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the economy in the last ten days the
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campaign No one was talking about immigration like
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once in a while, but if you've got
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ten talking points Seven of those ten talking
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points for each campaign was about was about
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foreign policy was about as I was about
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Middle East is about Israel that was what
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was on everybody's minds lips and that was
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where the expenditures went.
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So you have to follow the money Well,
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it's one thing I'm really in we're really
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interested in is turning like the momentum into
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a Movement, right?
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Yeah What's the plan now?
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You've got all you've got a success under
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your belt as a Muslim community there.
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You've got people riled up you've got people
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getting a taste of some you know Self
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-respect dignity standing on their own feet not
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not waiting for someone else to give them
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anything but demanding stuff.
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How do we Utilize this and build upon
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this now.
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Absolutely.
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Well, I think two main lessons Perhaps three
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that have come out of the last year.
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What we learned is that who funds you
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runs you so the the previous playbook for
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a Muslim individual organization if they wanted to
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if they felt like they want to get
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involved in the political advocacy space was to
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Get together your organization And your pitch deck
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and get funding from one of these big
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institutions He's not what Imam Dawood Waleed calls
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the non-profit industrial complex To basically get
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funding outside of the community now what happens
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with that is that those funds almost always
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come with either strings attached either explicit strings
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attached or subliminal psychological strings the idea that
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You have to that the way to change
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is through relationship building and Through loyalty proving
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your loyalty to a party or to a
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politician and then getting favors later on By
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the time you wait for those favors, you
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will be dead.
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They will they have not materialized.
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They will not materialize They did not materialize
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so People found themselves that many of the
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main orgs that purport.
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I should say many Some of the main
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orgs that purports to represent the Muslim community
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within the political advocacy space were completely dominated
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by funding outside the community and therefore they
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were they were not accountable to the community
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astroturf a hundred percent so when the community
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is saying genocide is a red line and
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then their funders are Organizations that are aligned
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with the Democratic Party and they understand themselves
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to be funding other Initiatives that are aligned
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with Democratic Party interests and They then are
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in a position where they essentially turn back
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to the community and say well, have you
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thought about?
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immigration Like no, we're talking about genocide They
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have compromised themselves whether they did it intentionally
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or not The worst of them did it
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intentionally in order to get a position and
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that their career path Well, but many of
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them did it unintentionally where they came in
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with good intentions.
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They thought this is how the game works
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I guess this is what we have to
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do you show up for all the PR
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things and take your selfies and and your
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Pictures with Harris and pictures of Biden and
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pictures with the center and that senator and
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you think that you're positioning yourself to make
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a change They're using you for credibility.
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You're not going to make any change whatsoever.
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So Realizing that our community is infiltrated with
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some of these groups that have been That
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we have gotten very very low ROI We
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have very very low return on investment with
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this type of work and learning that we
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need to be funded by ourselves that you
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cannot hope to really make change if you
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are not actually funded by yourselves in the
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community and therefore accountable to the community So
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we have some work to do when it
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comes to cleaning house and making sure that
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we isolate and don't platform those types Of
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groups who are really haven't really done much
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of anything They sell to the Democrats that
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they are the power brokers of the Muslim
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community They sell to the community that they
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will give access to the the elected officials
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and nothing really ends up trickling Either way,
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they just put themselves up as a middleman
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and the gatekeepers so cleaning house and Deplatforming
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and isolating and shutting out.
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These orgs is very very important and the
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other thing that we learned is that you
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cannot do politics if you're not willing to
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talk to both sides and Negotiate on both
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sides that this is not that our whole
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theory of allyship is off before October of
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last year We thought well we find the
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people who are sort of progressive values, right,
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you know the LGBTQ community and racial justice
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community and pro-immigration and all the lefty
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issues and this is our coalition and we're
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going to march, you know, the aggrieved minorities
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are going to march through and and you
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know institute change and That was that didn't
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work.
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That didn't work.
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The ROI was very very low Now what
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we did see because people will respond and
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we'll criticize that assessment they'll say but people
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were so Supportive of Palestine you had I
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heard I was told I was told by
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somebody who was a Muslim I was a
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Muslim that said this may Allah guide them
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in us that queer children were Linking arms
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and protecting Muslims when they were praying at
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a protest Like a first of all, there
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is no such thing as a queer child
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second of all second of all Okay, we
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can respect people's good intentions and even their
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high toleration of risk But what was the
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result of all of that allyship?
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What was the result of what we did?
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What did we get in exchange?
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Nothing like to be frank like we got
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a lot of noise.
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We got a lot of venting at protests
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We we did not actually stop the genocide.
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We didn't even slow it down So now
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we have to go back to the drawing
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board and crunch the numbers and say is
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This worth the investment because this comes at
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a price.
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What's the price that it comes at in
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these circles?
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We often have to leave our values at
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the door.
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They accept us for our identities, but they
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do not accept our values and so now
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you've got a space you show up to
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a protest where you show up to some
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sort of coalition work and That space does
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not reflect your values You can't even mobilize
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your community to come because your community will
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not come if there's rainbow flags everywhere Right.
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So what did you do?
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your community did not come along with you
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and They're patting you on the back and
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they're saying we support you We'll do like
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this that the third for you, but you're
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not getting anything done.
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You're not getting results so this entire arrangement
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needs to be rethought and To add it
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to add to that They not only dominate
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the space culturally and say well, yeah, well,
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how can you not be for queer liberation,
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too?
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This is intersectionality.
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If you're going to be for Palestinian to
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liberate there are queers in Palestine.
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You have to be for right?
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So that's asking us to give up our
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values But then they also police us and
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tell us who we can and can't talk
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to So if you wanted to engage with
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someone who's on the right who's an anti
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-war Isolationist on the right or like a
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God first Republican or something like this they'd
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say You're you're this or you're that you're
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you know They'll have names for you and
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they'll say that they can't work with you
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because they have a puritanism to them So
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this is a strategic mistake We cannot allow
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ourselves to join up with people who are
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gatekeeping and telling us Who we're allowed to
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to be in coalition with that's not sovereignty
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We have given up our sovereignty within the
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space of allyship.
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We need to reassert and reassess How we
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need to reassert our sovereignty in these spaces
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and reassess our relationships Anybody who's trying to
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tell us who we can and can't work
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with?
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No, sorry You don't get to work with
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00:27:28
us anymore So we have to because there
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are people on the right that are starting
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now We have Candace Owens and her types.
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We have people who we at Tucker Carlson
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All right, he's got some some stuff but
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00:27:40
you've got people who are starting Thomas Massey
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is about to introduce legislation into the Congress
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that is going to Attempt to prevent dual
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citizenship holders from being lawmakers And that is
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a direct attack at Zionism and the Israeli
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00:27:58
lobby So it's not going so what the
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00:28:03
Democratic sort of infiltrated Either mentally or institutionally
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00:28:05
will say is the only people in Congress
00:28:05 -->
00:28:08
asking for a ceasefire are Democrats So what
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00:28:11
you guys have placed yourself on the left
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00:28:14
and the right Anybody who would be a
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00:28:17
potential ally on the right thinks that being
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00:28:18
a Muslim or being pro-palestinian is a
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00:28:23
leftist Antifa issue so you have actually pigeonholed
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00:28:26
us and Limited what we can do by
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stacking up beat with the left in a
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00:28:31
loyalty first sort of way so our whole
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Idea of what we're doing when we're doing
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00:28:35
coalition work and who were allowed to ally
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with and work with has to be completely
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revamped the third thing that we learned the
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third thing that we learned is that Making
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a demand making a threat and delivering on
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that threat works This was the philosophy of
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abandoned Biden.
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They said that we're giving you a deadline.
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Here's the deadline You need to have a
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permanent ceasefire by this deadline if you do
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00:29:01
not do it, there will be political consequences
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00:29:03
You're not gonna be in office come November
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and it worked.
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Okay.
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00:29:06
Now, what is that gonna look like as
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00:29:08
many people are like, oh We have to
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00:29:10
avoid another mistake We can't just run to
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00:29:11
the right and do that make the same
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00:29:13
mistakes with the right that we made with
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00:29:14
the left That would be also a huge
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00:29:16
mistake because some people are saying.
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00:29:19
Oh, we're Muslims are more natural allies to
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00:29:20
the right We got traditional values.
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I don't buy that.
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00:29:23
It's not it's not that simple The right
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00:29:27
has different sub movements different flavor of liberalism.
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00:29:29
Yes, and it's just not that's not how
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00:29:31
you do politics You don't it's not a
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00:29:31
loyalty.
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We're not getting married.
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We're not making Bay.
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00:29:35
Ah, we're not hitching ourselves.
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There's no rishta.
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00:29:40
We're not Hitching ourselves to any one side.
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What we're doing is who are the people
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00:29:44
who are willing to work on this issue
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00:29:47
and Then we're gonna take them left or
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00:29:49
right and nobody's gonna tell us what what
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00:29:50
to do and nobody's gonna tell us who
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00:29:51
we have to work with or who we
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00:29:54
can't work with and then we're gonna move
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00:29:56
forward from there, so now we have a
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Trifecta Where we have a tripod that is
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00:30:01
very rare that happens at American politics where
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you've got both the house and the Senate
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and the Executive are all the same party
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Yeah, can you can you I was gonna
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ask you about that actually because can you
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explain to?
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00:30:15
So you guys have the House of Commons
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00:30:16
in the House of Lords Yeah, because the
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00:30:18
House of Lords for us is not elected
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00:30:20
or anything It's just you know, right and
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00:30:22
we have house our House of Commons is
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00:30:24
the House of Representatives But we also have
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00:30:25
a House of Lords ish things with the
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00:30:28
Senate But it is elected Representatives only have
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00:30:30
two-year terms and there's many of them.
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There's over there hundreds of them senators This
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is all Congress, okay, the Congress has two
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00:30:40
houses a bicameral you say Parliament we say
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Congress I guess Parliament Congress is more.
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Okay, so we have the Senate.
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There's two senators from each case is only
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50 senators and They're on six-year terms
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So they're they're there for longer.
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They're much more influential So that's why we
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00:30:57
always have someone being reelected every two four
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or six years there's there's a cycle so
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00:31:03
It's rare that one party control both the
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00:31:06
House of Representatives and the Senate and the
00:31:06 -->
00:31:09
president And that's what we have now So
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00:31:11
we have Trump now in the White House
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00:31:14
as the executive the Republicans control the Senate
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00:31:17
and the Republicans control the House of Representatives
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00:31:20
They would like to keep this control as
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00:31:24
long as possible Right if they're able to
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00:31:25
control this as long as possible.
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00:31:27
It's very easy for them to push legislation
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00:31:31
If the House or the Senate were to
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00:31:34
flip blue in two years, they would have
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00:31:37
a much harder time accomplishing their goals So
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00:31:39
what we need to do in my opinion
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00:31:42
in order to keep the Republicans honest and
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00:31:45
to make them deliver on Their some of
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00:31:47
their rhetoric and some of their promises is
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00:31:51
to say hey Republicans If you do not
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00:31:54
do X and It could be a ceasefire.
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00:31:55
It could be arms embargo.
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00:31:56
It could we have to decide exactly what
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00:31:57
that is.
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00:32:02
You don't do X by date why we
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00:32:03
are going to ensure that we flip the
00:32:03 -->
00:32:05
house back to the Democrats in two years
00:32:05 -->
00:32:08
time and we're going to now make a
00:32:08 -->
00:32:11
list of How many people do we need
00:32:11 -->
00:32:12
to flip in order to do that?
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00:32:13
How many seats do we need to flip
00:32:13 -->
00:32:15
to put the majority in the Democrats?
00:32:16 -->
00:32:17
Where are they weakest?
00:32:18 -->
00:32:19
What are the races that are vulnerable and
00:32:21 -->
00:32:23
Who are we gonna races as in?
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00:32:28
electoral races Which electoral race in which electoral
00:32:28 -->
00:32:30
race are they vulnerable?
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00:32:32
I know I get this cross-atlantic stuff.
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00:32:33
I'm all for it I'm all for it.
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00:32:36
But sometimes the lingo sometimes our lingo we
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00:32:37
get a little in trouble.
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00:32:42
Anyway, so What were you saying?
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00:32:48
so Basically Which which politicians would they save
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00:32:50
seats or when they're in a vulnerable seat?
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00:32:53
Yeah Yeah so which seats are vulnerable and
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00:32:55
Then we're going to recruit people and say
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00:32:56
we're going to run this person on a
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00:32:59
Democratic ticket or an independent ticket depending on
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00:33:01
the situation they're going to be anti-zionist
00:33:01 -->
00:33:06
and They're going to win against your Republican
00:33:07 -->
00:33:09
Representative to the point where we flip it
00:33:09 -->
00:33:11
if they don't meet our demands So that's
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00:33:13
how we have to this formula is a
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00:33:15
working formula as the punishment formula in order
00:33:15 -->
00:33:18
to keep them Moving and to keep us
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00:33:20
on the offense and that's what you have
00:33:20 -->
00:33:22
to do Yeah, that's a that's a very
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00:33:24
very I really agree with the idea really
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00:33:27
and we should try something similar in the
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00:33:30
UK as well Muslim vote campaign is more
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00:33:33
like movement like a like a five election
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00:33:37
cycle kind of campaign and It requires us
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00:33:41
to not be To obviously no loyalty to
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00:33:46
a party, but also no kind of Undying
00:33:46 -->
00:33:48
hatred to a party either you need to
00:33:48 -->
00:33:52
have that flexibility that look you're controlling You're
00:33:52 -->
00:33:55
you're you're acting rationally in that and tactically
00:33:55 -->
00:33:58
that look we you know It's not an
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00:33:59
issue of saints and sinners.
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00:34:01
It's not like one is a shaytan and
00:34:01 -->
00:34:05
one is an angel, but look Tactically we're
00:34:05 -->
00:34:08
going to use our power to to push
00:34:08 -->
00:34:10
and to push to for this one to
00:34:10 -->
00:34:12
win not because we like them but because
00:34:12 -->
00:34:16
we want to exercise Exercise leverage exercise power
00:34:16 -->
00:34:17
because nobody's going to give it to you
00:34:17 -->
00:34:18
You have to you have to show a
00:34:18 -->
00:34:20
threat Exactly and that takes maturity because we've
00:34:20 -->
00:34:22
had some situations here where?
00:34:22 -->
00:34:24
The messaging gets lost because people think that
00:34:24 -->
00:34:26
they're pledging Bayer when they when they vote
00:34:26 -->
00:34:28
That's that's sort of the immaturity that we
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00:34:29
have to educate around.
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00:34:33
So in Pennsylvania, for example, we had Bob
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00:34:34
Casey was a senator He was a senator
00:34:34 -->
00:34:35
for 17 years.
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00:34:38
His father was a senator before him huge
00:34:38 -->
00:34:41
Zionist tons of AIPAC money We delivered a
00:34:41 -->
00:34:42
loss.
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00:34:44
He's gone now And we're gonna we're gonna
00:34:44 -->
00:34:47
claim that victory definitely as ours 100%
00:34:47 -->
00:34:50
Now the guy who's coming in to replace
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00:34:52
him McKenzie is also a Zionist.
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00:34:53
He's new to pot He's newish to politics.
00:34:53 -->
00:34:55
So he doesn't have as much debt to
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00:34:59
pay, but he said horrible things about About
00:34:59 -->
00:35:01
Palestine and he's many trips to Israel and
00:35:01 -->
00:35:04
things of this nature Now the immature the
00:35:04 -->
00:35:06
immature sort of political take would be well,
00:35:06 -->
00:35:08
you guys didn't do anything You just replaced
00:35:08 -->
00:35:10
one Zionist with another with another Zionist.
00:35:10 -->
00:35:12
Maybe he's gonna be worse That's not the
00:35:12 -->
00:35:14
point the point is that you punt you
00:35:14 -->
00:35:17
made an example out of somebody and now
00:35:17 -->
00:35:20
you sent a message to everybody and You
00:35:20 -->
00:35:23
send the message and you exercise the punishment
00:35:23 -->
00:35:25
as often as you have to until everybody
00:35:25 -->
00:35:28
gets the message So maybe McKenzie doesn't believe
00:35:28 -->
00:35:30
that it was the Muslim vote that actually
00:35:30 -->
00:35:31
toppled Casey.
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00:35:33
Okay We'll take that we'll wait for six
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00:35:36
years and then we'll prove it again If
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00:35:38
he doesn't if he doesn't tow the line
00:35:38 -->
00:35:39
that we want him to tow And then
00:35:39 -->
00:35:41
if you're able to do that, the politicians
00:35:41 -->
00:35:42
will get wise to it.
00:35:42 -->
00:35:44
They will say okay this whole Zionist thing
00:35:44 -->
00:35:45
It sounds good.
00:35:45 -->
00:35:46
It's a lot of money, but it's not
00:35:46 -->
00:35:47
worth it.
00:35:47 -->
00:35:49
You're only gonna be a one-term politician
00:35:49 -->
00:35:52
So that's what it has to be and
00:35:52 -->
00:35:54
and we have to you know, that requires
00:35:54 -->
00:35:56
comms You know communications that requires media requires
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00:35:59
lots of things, but we're getting there I
00:35:59 -->
00:36:01
think people are realizing that there are situations
00:36:01 -->
00:36:04
in which You have to just punish somebody
00:36:04 -->
00:36:06
even if they're not gonna be replaced by
00:36:06 -->
00:36:10
a better somebody Because you're trying to it's
00:36:10 -->
00:36:12
not about having your hero in office.
00:36:12 -->
00:36:14
That's not how politics works It's about punishing
00:36:14 -->
00:36:17
certain political behaviors Imagine like, you know, some
00:36:17 -->
00:36:19
people have dogs or like the shock collar
00:36:19 -->
00:36:20
like you get to a certain thing and
00:36:20 -->
00:36:23
it like shocks them We are establishing a
00:36:23 -->
00:36:26
shock collar for politicians that they go beyond
00:36:26 -->
00:36:29
a certain line and they get shocked And
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00:36:30
if we have to do it to every
00:36:30 -->
00:36:36
single one of those dogs Masha'Allah, I
00:36:36 -->
00:36:39
mean it's a you know, we're glad to
00:36:39 -->
00:36:42
hear that from the Allah So in summary,
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00:36:45
I'm presuming it's not just about the next
00:36:45 -->
00:36:47
six years the next election, but between now
00:36:47 -->
00:36:50
and then establishing Comms establishing yourself as a
00:36:50 -->
00:36:52
presence that look we're watching you, you know,
00:36:52 -->
00:36:56
we're we're gonna hold you to account We're
00:36:56 -->
00:36:59
counting, you know The ways that you vote
00:36:59 -->
00:37:02
we're establishing all of this this data and
00:37:02 -->
00:37:02
stuff.
00:37:02 -->
00:37:06
So number one you said going forward Who
00:37:06 -->
00:37:08
funds you runs you?
00:37:08 -->
00:37:10
Yeah, so you're looking at kind of more
00:37:10 -->
00:37:14
independent funding for the Muslim community grassroots getting
00:37:14 -->
00:37:18
rid of astroturf organizations Parachuting in and stuff
00:37:18 -->
00:37:23
number two was rethinking allyship You know looking
00:37:23 -->
00:37:25
at it's not about They are it's not
00:37:25 -->
00:37:26
about being in camps.
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00:37:29
It's not about You know pledging legions to
00:37:29 -->
00:37:32
one one group or another but on a
00:37:32 -->
00:37:34
case-by-case thing on this issue Anyone
00:37:34 -->
00:37:38
left-wing right-wing whoever MAGA, you know,
00:37:38 -->
00:37:41
whoever agrees us on this point You know,
00:37:41 -->
00:37:42
we work together on that and it's no
00:37:42 -->
00:37:46
like, you know No tribalism that regard and
00:37:46 -->
00:37:49
number three you're saying Establish you're going to
00:37:49 -->
00:37:54
establish a longer-term strategy of punishing any
00:37:54 -->
00:37:59
any politician Who basically gets out of line
00:37:59 -->
00:38:00
and try to build your power that way?
00:38:01 -->
00:38:05
You mentioned the phrase ROI a return on
00:38:05 -->
00:38:05
investment.
00:38:05 -->
00:38:10
Yes can you can you see a Future
00:38:10 -->
00:38:11
where you can get as good an ROI
00:38:11 -->
00:38:14
as as a pack does because they spend
00:38:14 -->
00:38:16
a few hundred million and they get billions
00:38:16 -->
00:38:16
In return.
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00:38:17
Absolutely.
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00:38:21
I think that's not the best I Absolutely
00:38:21 -->
00:38:23
think we can get there because it always
00:38:23 -->
00:38:26
takes more money to prop up falsehood than
00:38:26 -->
00:38:28
to support the truth So they have to
00:38:28 -->
00:38:31
they have to spend that much Because what
00:38:31 -->
00:38:34
they're asking people to run cover for is
00:38:34 -->
00:38:37
so despicable and so evil That it requires
00:38:37 -->
00:38:40
that many resources and that much attention in
00:38:40 -->
00:38:42
order to keep it going if we were
00:38:42 -->
00:38:46
to exercise a Tenth of the effort and
00:38:46 -->
00:38:48
money that a pack exercises.
00:38:48 -->
00:38:50
We could probably get the same results I
00:38:50 -->
00:38:52
have no doubt about that and you have
00:38:52 -->
00:38:54
that money It's there.
00:38:54 -->
00:38:55
It's there.
00:38:55 -->
00:38:56
It just needs to be organized just needs
00:38:56 -->
00:38:59
to be organized You know outnumbered.
00:38:59 -->
00:39:01
Yeah, we are organized hundred percent.
00:39:01 -->
00:39:09
Yeah in terms of Republicans, right so Going
00:39:09 -->
00:39:11
forward now, what's your assessment?
00:39:11 -->
00:39:14
I mean like 20 years ago, you know,
00:39:14 -->
00:39:17
we remember that that it was a time
00:39:17 -->
00:39:20
younger people might think what they can't imagine
00:39:20 -->
00:39:23
a time where Muslims were kind of Close
00:39:23 -->
00:39:25
to Republicans and all that family values all
00:39:25 -->
00:39:27
that kind of stuff, but then obviously it
00:39:27 -->
00:39:28
didn't stop the war on terror I didn't
00:39:28 -->
00:39:30
stop them spying on you and locking you
00:39:30 -->
00:39:33
up and you know, genociding all over the
00:39:33 -->
00:39:36
world in Muslim lands What what lessons can
00:39:36 -->
00:39:36
we learn from there?
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00:39:38
You did touch on it a bit in
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00:39:40
terms of don't be you know Tribalistic and
00:39:40 -->
00:39:41
so but are there any other lessons in
00:39:41 -->
00:39:44
terms of going forward now you have Republicans
00:39:44 -->
00:39:46
in all three kind of branches of the
00:39:46 -->
00:39:52
state What lessons can we learn from the
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00:39:57
last time around in bed with Tribalism is
00:39:57 -->
00:39:58
precisely the word for it.
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00:39:59
I'm glad that you use that I think
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00:40:00
a hundred percent we need to stop being
00:40:00 -->
00:40:02
tribalistic when it comes to politics and we
00:40:02 -->
00:40:05
need a more sophisticated Political language because in
00:40:05 -->
00:40:07
reality the the right is not the same
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00:40:11
in 2024 as it was in 2016 and
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00:40:13
there's lots of scholarship on this stuff like
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00:40:17
Reaganites are not the same as neocons and
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00:40:18
neocons are not the same as tea partiers
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00:40:20
and tea partiers are not the same as
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00:40:23
MAGA, right you we actually have to stop
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00:40:26
being so tribalistic and like Republican bad Democrat
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00:40:28
good and we need to actually pay attention
00:40:28 -->
00:40:30
to the movements that are going on and
00:40:30 -->
00:40:33
everything's fluid that people don't realize that Everything
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00:40:35
is fluid in politics.
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00:40:38
Everything is constantly shifting and rather than does
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00:40:43
not just genders But you have to take
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00:40:46
a Steering position when it comes to how
00:40:46 -->
00:40:48
things are developing and moving.
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00:40:50
So right now a perfect example There's a
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00:40:53
huge tussle on the right as to what
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00:40:54
type of Trump administration.
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00:40:58
We're gonna see a lot of conservatives are
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00:41:02
Against the pump against Mike Pompeo coming back
00:41:02 -->
00:41:03
and returning it to a major role within
00:41:03 -->
00:41:07
the the cabinet He was a hawkish neocon
00:41:07 -->
00:41:09
type Bolton was also a hawkish neocon.
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00:41:13
So even though Trump ran on a populist
00:41:13 -->
00:41:17
Message and a populist campaign He definitely had
00:41:17 -->
00:41:19
neocons in his in his cabinet that acted
00:41:19 -->
00:41:22
like neocons if I was asked recently Like
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00:41:24
what are the two most harmful?
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00:41:28
Movements left and right to the Muslims and
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00:41:30
I actually think at least in foreign policy
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00:41:33
But honestly in general I would say on
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00:41:34
the right were the neocons and on the
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00:41:36
left with the neoliberals I think both the
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00:41:38
neocons and neoliberals were the worst things for
00:41:38 -->
00:41:44
Muslims Because of the securitization the security state
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00:41:46
the surveillance state the foreign policy all these
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00:41:50
things I really don't like the the progressive
00:41:50 -->
00:41:53
trans agenda either But look at how much
00:41:53 -->
00:41:55
we've been able to push back on that
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00:41:58
as well They don't have as much teeth
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00:41:59
as the neoliberal state.
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00:42:01
I think my personal opinion though.
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00:42:02
They're bad.
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00:42:03
That's not the point The point is to
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00:42:07
actually talk in sophisticated ways about these different
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00:42:11
movements and be able to understand what is
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00:42:13
the potential which with each one and what
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00:42:16
is the limitation and Then which ones do
00:42:16 -->
00:42:18
we want to engage with and try to
00:42:18 -->
00:42:18
enhance?
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00:42:21
Versus which ones do we want to undermine
00:42:21 -->
00:42:24
and Neutralize so when it comes to the
00:42:24 -->
00:42:27
right We certainly have a strategic interest in
00:42:27 -->
00:42:30
making sure that the America first God first
00:42:30 -->
00:42:34
Republicans the ones that are anti interventionist That
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00:42:36
they triumph over the neocons That is a
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00:42:38
hundred percent a priority for the Muslim community
00:42:38 -->
00:42:40
that we want to be engaging Thomas I
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00:42:42
bring up Thomas Massey a lot and Thomas
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00:42:44
Massey is a demonstration of how poor and
00:42:44 -->
00:42:47
unsophisticated The Muslim political thinking was up until
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00:42:47
very recently.
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00:42:49
He was targeted by AIPAC.
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00:42:52
They tried to primary him in his in
00:42:52 -->
00:42:56
his Republican primary with a Zionist Republican and
00:42:56 -->
00:42:59
he won thankfully, but the Muslim community did
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00:43:03
absolutely nothing to help him now Despite that
00:43:03 -->
00:43:04
he seems to be a person of principle
00:43:04 -->
00:43:06
or at least more so than many Republicans
00:43:06 -->
00:43:09
So he's still doing things that are yes.
00:43:09 -->
00:43:14
He opposes us Intervention in Palestine, maybe not
00:43:14 -->
00:43:15
for the same reasons that you and I
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00:43:17
do but he still does so we have
00:43:17 -->
00:43:21
a strategic interest in engaging and enhancing and
00:43:21 -->
00:43:24
strengthening people like Candace Owens people like Thomas
00:43:24 -->
00:43:27
Massey people that are this type of Republican
00:43:27 -->
00:43:30
and this type of conservative and attempting to
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00:43:34
neutralize and to undermine the Ted Cruz's and
00:43:34 -->
00:43:36
the Mark Rubio's and the people who are
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00:43:38
and the John Fetterman's and the and the
00:43:38 -->
00:43:41
you know these people who are full-on
00:43:41 -->
00:43:46
neocon very Anti Muslim anti-islamic sentiment and
00:43:46 -->
00:43:47
the same goes for the left.
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00:43:48
There are other movements on the left.
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00:43:49
There are neoliberals They're a centrist.
00:43:50 -->
00:43:51
There are democratic socialists.
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00:43:54
There are far leftists we have to assess
00:43:54 -->
00:43:57
who are the people that are strategic for
00:43:57 -->
00:44:01
the Muslims to Enhance and to strengthen and
00:44:01 -->
00:44:03
who are the ones that are actually really?
00:44:04 -->
00:44:06
Unstrategic or they are against our interests and
00:44:06 -->
00:44:07
try to undermine them.
00:44:08 -->
00:44:10
We have to get over that impulse, you
00:44:10 -->
00:44:13
know We have this thing that this voice
00:44:13 -->
00:44:15
Sometimes actually real people saying, you know, how
00:44:15 -->
00:44:17
can you support so-and-so when she
00:44:17 -->
00:44:17
said XYZ?
00:44:18 -->
00:44:19
We have to get out of that kind
00:44:19 -->
00:44:22
of that impulse that it's not about You
00:44:22 -->
00:44:27
know Rishta It's not about you know And
00:44:29 -->
00:44:31
Joining their tribe, but you have to have
00:44:31 -->
00:44:32
keep them at an arm's length, but say
00:44:32 -->
00:44:35
it recognize that look tactically Yeah, this person
00:44:35 -->
00:44:38
is far better than or far less bad
00:44:39 -->
00:44:41
compared to to that person and we have
00:44:41 -->
00:44:43
to we have to find a way to
00:44:43 -->
00:44:45
To get that maturity across because I can
00:44:45 -->
00:44:48
just see someone saying well last year you
00:44:48 -->
00:44:52
told us abandon Democrats and now you're telling
00:44:52 -->
00:44:53
us to vote for and what's all this
00:44:53 -->
00:44:54
flip-flopping going on?
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00:44:57
We need that kind of political maturity absolutely,
00:44:57 -->
00:44:58
and you have to pay attention to how
00:44:58 -->
00:45:00
people react to these things to like I
00:45:00 -->
00:45:02
met with Jill Stein in a private meeting
00:45:02 -->
00:45:05
and I told her I said we understand
00:45:05 -->
00:45:07
that the Green Party's position on LGBTQ is
00:45:07 -->
00:45:09
not our position as a Muslim community and
00:45:10 -->
00:45:12
This is not going to change.
00:45:12 -->
00:45:13
It's like we understand you're not going to
00:45:13 -->
00:45:15
change We understand we're not going to change
00:45:15 -->
00:45:18
but what our biggest anxiety is and therefore
00:45:18 -->
00:45:21
it's an obstacle to your campaign is People
00:45:21 -->
00:45:24
are going to be afraid of the overreach
00:45:24 -->
00:45:28
especially with our religious institutions if you go
00:45:28 -->
00:45:31
with a maximalist LGBTQ agenda, and so if
00:45:31 -->
00:45:34
you're going to ever Speak about this issue,
00:45:35 -->
00:45:36
which she didn't really a lot because I
00:45:36 -->
00:45:38
well I also told her I wouldn't recommend
00:45:38 -->
00:45:40
speaking about this at all but if you
00:45:40 -->
00:45:43
have to then apps then you should be
00:45:43 -->
00:45:45
sure to mention religious freedom and the sovereignty
00:45:45 -->
00:45:48
of religious groups and their practices and their
00:45:48 -->
00:45:50
houses of worship and their schools and things
00:45:50 -->
00:45:51
like that in the same breath because if
00:45:51 -->
00:45:53
you Don't it's a non-starter.
00:45:53 -->
00:45:54
You're gonna be you're gonna have people who
00:45:54 -->
00:45:55
are never gonna vote for you in a
00:45:55 -->
00:45:59
million years From the Muslim community, even if
00:45:59 -->
00:46:02
it's the strategic move because you're basically advertising
00:46:02 -->
00:46:04
something that's so repulsive to them now She
00:46:04 -->
00:46:07
didn't end up taking that advice So she
00:46:07 -->
00:46:09
actually posted something on her social media within
00:46:09 -->
00:46:11
the last week or two of the campaign
00:46:11 -->
00:46:14
That was totally a maximalist LGBTQ thing So,
00:46:14 -->
00:46:17
I mean a lot of people I'm certain
00:46:17 -->
00:46:19
that that probably turned people more towards Trump
00:46:19 -->
00:46:22
then towards that then towards her and It
00:46:22 -->
00:46:24
was also the notes that you take down
00:46:24 -->
00:46:25
when you're talking to and you're trying to
00:46:25 -->
00:46:27
play hardball You're trying to negotiate with a
00:46:27 -->
00:46:28
politician.
00:46:28 -->
00:46:30
Is this person responsive to what I told
00:46:30 -->
00:46:32
them that this has to happen.
00:46:32 -->
00:46:35
It didn't happen You're done like, you know,
00:46:35 -->
00:46:36
like that's you know You you had your
00:46:36 -->
00:46:38
chance and now I move to somebody else
00:46:38 -->
00:46:41
because there's there's other fish in the sea
00:46:41 -->
00:46:44
We have to be comfortable walking away and
00:46:44 -->
00:46:47
Getting back in the game and seeing seeing
00:46:47 -->
00:46:47
what else is out there.
00:46:47 -->
00:46:50
You're never gonna get anywhere Through this loyalty
00:46:50 -->
00:46:53
politics of just you know, attach yourself to
00:46:53 -->
00:46:56
this person or this party You know, I'll
00:46:56 -->
00:46:59
tell you a secret last time last time
00:46:59 -->
00:47:02
around when Trump was Elected I really kind
00:47:02 -->
00:47:04
of I mean all we saw was all
00:47:04 -->
00:47:07
this Kind of scaremongering against him.
00:47:07 -->
00:47:08
He's so evil.
00:47:08 -->
00:47:09
He's this is a fascist.
00:47:09 -->
00:47:13
Is this and that and This time around
00:47:13 -->
00:47:15
all of that stuff that was coming from
00:47:15 -->
00:47:19
the the kind of mainstream liberal media It
00:47:19 -->
00:47:22
was like I had zero Effect on me.
00:47:22 -->
00:47:26
I was like this I've seen your Because
00:47:26 -->
00:47:27
first time around I bought we bought into
00:47:27 -->
00:47:30
the the liberal criticisms of him and the
00:47:30 -->
00:47:31
smears and so forth But now we've seen
00:47:31 -->
00:47:34
the liberals for the real genocidal face of
00:47:34 -->
00:47:36
liberals different flavor of white supremacy You know
00:47:36 -->
00:47:39
like Malcolm X would say, you know, they're
00:47:39 -->
00:47:42
smiling Fox compared to the wolf and I
00:47:42 -->
00:47:45
really wanted Trump to and I was like
00:47:45 -->
00:47:47
a big following like watching because he was
00:47:47 -->
00:47:51
he's been on real kind of Podcasts and
00:47:51 -->
00:47:53
and and just getting out there and that's
00:47:53 -->
00:47:55
when I saw about a month ago.
00:47:56 -->
00:47:57
I said this guy's gonna win He's going
00:47:57 -->
00:47:58
on all these podcasts.
00:47:58 -->
00:48:01
He's speaking people directly.
00:48:01 -->
00:48:03
He's just riffing He's just going going to
00:48:03 -->
00:48:07
rallies and just Let's just be quiet listen
00:48:07 -->
00:48:09
to music and start swaying and stuff This
00:48:09 -->
00:48:12
is like it's just he's getting around.
00:48:12 -->
00:48:17
He's circumventing all of that machinery that's that's
00:48:17 -->
00:48:20
been creating these narratives of fear-mongering and
00:48:22 -->
00:48:29
and Yeah, I think I thought perhaps the
00:48:29 -->
00:48:32
The stuff we were told about him first
00:48:32 -->
00:48:35
time around and since then was not true
00:48:35 -->
00:48:38
it is is he a nice guy It
00:48:38 -->
00:48:39
doesn't matter.
00:48:39 -->
00:48:41
The thing is that he's a politician and
00:48:41 -->
00:48:43
that's the thing like like there's always is
00:48:43 -->
00:48:44
he a politician or is he?
00:48:45 -->
00:48:49
Actually trying to enter this with different rules
00:48:49 -->
00:48:49
and stuff.
00:48:49 -->
00:48:51
I don't think that Trump believes in anything
00:48:51 -->
00:48:53
but himself Right.
00:48:53 -->
00:48:55
I think that and that's why he he
00:48:55 -->
00:48:57
changes and he flip-flops and he you
00:48:57 -->
00:49:01
know He's got an enormous ego He wants
00:49:01 -->
00:49:03
to be seen in a positive light He
00:49:03 -->
00:49:05
would love to bring some he's very unsophisticated
00:49:05 -->
00:49:07
when it comes to his understanding of foreign
00:49:07 -->
00:49:09
policy and stuff like that But he would
00:49:09 -->
00:49:12
love to be seen as the person who
00:49:12 -->
00:49:14
makes peace in the Middle East He would
00:49:14 -->
00:49:16
love nothing more than to be given like
00:49:16 -->
00:49:19
a Nobel Peace Prize or something like that
00:49:19 -->
00:49:21
because it strokes his ego Now some that's
00:49:21 -->
00:49:23
been my argument for a while that you
00:49:23 -->
00:49:25
can you can manipulate somebody like that, right?
00:49:25 -->
00:49:28
You can create situations in which their interests
00:49:28 -->
00:49:29
align with your interests.
00:49:29 -->
00:49:32
He's not an ideologue He does say that
00:49:32 -->
00:49:34
you know, he has personally suffered at the
00:49:34 -->
00:49:35
hands of the deep state and stuff like
00:49:35 -->
00:49:37
that so I think of all the things
00:49:37 -->
00:49:38
are or any of the things that he
00:49:38 -->
00:49:41
might actually believe in are his whole things
00:49:41 -->
00:49:43
about with the deep state but even that
00:49:43 -->
00:49:44
like if he was so against the deep
00:49:44 -->
00:49:46
state and why did he have Pompeo and
00:49:46 -->
00:49:47
people like Bolton in the circles like these
00:49:47 -->
00:49:51
are deep state guys and You know have
00:49:51 -->
00:49:55
those people in well It's possible they're they're
00:49:55 -->
00:49:57
they're jockeying right now, so that'll be really
00:49:57 -->
00:49:57
interesting.
00:49:57 -->
00:50:00
Is it going to be a Kushner Pompeo?
00:50:00 -->
00:50:02
Sort of administration or is it going to
00:50:02 -->
00:50:05
be he's got his his Trump jr Is
00:50:05 -->
00:50:07
very different from Kushner and he's got his
00:50:07 -->
00:50:11
other son-in-law The Lebanese guy a
00:50:11 -->
00:50:12
lot of people are saying that they're gonna
00:50:12 -->
00:50:15
have a lot more influence I was told
00:50:15 -->
00:50:18
some I was told privately from people who
00:50:18 -->
00:50:21
had meetings with Trump that He's basically pushing
00:50:21 -->
00:50:24
Kushner out if that's true That's actually a
00:50:24 -->
00:50:26
very very positive thing for the Muslims because
00:50:26 -->
00:50:29
Kushner is a Zionist But the thing is
00:50:29 -->
00:50:31
that I don't believe that Trump believes in
00:50:31 -->
00:50:31
much.
00:50:32 -->
00:50:36
I think that he's he's Except himself, which
00:50:36 -->
00:50:38
you would rather deal with somebody like that
00:50:38 -->
00:50:43
then Then somebody who's ideologically attached to Zionism.
00:50:43 -->
00:50:44
Trump's not a good person.
00:50:44 -->
00:50:46
He's not a moral person.
00:50:46 -->
00:50:48
He's done terrible things He did he did
00:50:48 -->
00:50:50
horrible things in in Yemen.
00:50:50 -->
00:50:52
Let's not forget that so we don't I
00:50:52 -->
00:50:54
don't believe in and I don't think is
00:50:54 -->
00:50:56
Necessary to rehabilitate Trump as this like misunderstood
00:50:56 -->
00:50:57
person.
00:50:57 -->
00:50:58
Now.
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00:50:59
What's true about what you're saying?
00:50:59 -->
00:51:02
Is that the Democrat and liberal?
00:51:03 -->
00:51:06
Smear campaigns are so vitriolic that they cease
00:51:06 -->
00:51:09
to become credible So you can't you can't
00:51:09 -->
00:51:11
separate fact from fiction anymore and this actually
00:51:11 -->
00:51:14
happened when it came to You know, they
00:51:14 -->
00:51:17
were going after Trump throughout his whole Tenure
00:51:17 -->
00:51:19
with his Russia connections and it was it
00:51:19 -->
00:51:20
was kind of farcical.
00:51:20 -->
00:51:22
They never were able to get anything really
00:51:22 -->
00:51:25
on him so then when January 6th happened
00:51:25 -->
00:51:28
which was actually something major, which I actually
00:51:28 -->
00:51:32
agree was like That's a problem that's a
00:51:32 -->
00:51:35
boy who cried wolf Like the bull he
00:51:35 -->
00:51:35
cried wolf.
00:51:35 -->
00:51:37
The Democrats had no credibility left They're just
00:51:37 -->
00:51:39
like you guys have it in for Trump
00:51:39 -->
00:51:40
and it muddied the waters It would have
00:51:40 -->
00:51:43
been a clear moral thing to be like,
00:51:43 -->
00:51:46
hey, look, let's join up with Pence And
00:51:46 -->
00:51:47
let's join up with the other Republicans in
00:51:47 -->
00:51:48
the military.
00:51:48 -->
00:51:50
I said, this is too far We can't
00:51:50 -->
00:51:52
have this as a precedent for challenging election
00:51:52 -->
00:51:55
results This is gonna endanger democracy, but they
00:51:55 -->
00:51:57
had always had it out for Trump We're
00:51:57 -->
00:51:58
always trying to catch him on something and
00:51:58 -->
00:51:59
so they didn't have any credibility.
00:52:00 -->
00:52:04
So what their their their viciousness and their
00:52:04 -->
00:52:06
Uncharitable and the other thing too is that
00:52:06 -->
00:52:08
the Democrats will criticize Republicans for things that
00:52:08 -->
00:52:10
they do when they're in office It's they're
00:52:10 -->
00:52:13
lit they're so tribalistic and partisan that yeah,
00:52:13 -->
00:52:16
it makes them impossible to believe just like
00:52:16 -->
00:52:19
how How many Americans did not?
00:52:20 -->
00:52:22
Go with the official line and they fought
00:52:22 -->
00:52:25
the official line about kovat and everything like
00:52:25 -->
00:52:27
that because the pharmaceutical industry has no credibility
00:52:28 -->
00:52:30
Nobody trusts the pharma industry or the health
00:52:30 -->
00:52:32
industry in the United States because they've been
00:52:32 -->
00:52:34
screwing people over part of my language They've
00:52:34 -->
00:52:38
been they've been exploiting people for decades and
00:52:38 -->
00:52:40
then you expect everybody to fall in line
00:52:40 -->
00:52:43
and listen to the CDC and Say that
00:52:43 -->
00:52:44
oh, yeah, let's do whatever the city's like
00:52:44 -->
00:52:47
you you can't possibly that's not a rational
00:52:47 -->
00:52:49
thought So this is the same thing the
00:52:49 -->
00:52:51
Democrats when they smear Trump you always have
00:52:51 -->
00:52:52
to take it with a grain of salt
00:52:52 -->
00:52:54
Maybe some of the things that I say
00:52:54 -->
00:52:56
are true or there's a kernel or there's
00:52:56 -->
00:52:58
some truth in it But it has become
00:52:58 -->
00:53:00
very very hard to separate What is the
00:53:00 -->
00:53:02
actual real threat?
00:53:02 -->
00:53:05
From what is just democratic propaganda because they
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want to make him seem like the worst
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thing ever because they want you to vote
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for them while they Send us vacuous candidates
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00:53:13
with no personality and no policy.
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00:53:14
Hmm.
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00:53:16
You know, I was thinking when I was
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hearing some of these kind of people crying
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00:53:23
on the radio and Kind of having a
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00:53:24
breakdown though.
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00:53:26
This is terrible Trump and then all three,
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00:53:30
you know Representatives the Senate everything is I
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00:53:33
was thinking maybe if we ask these people
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how do you feel right now?
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00:53:36
Oh, no, everything's everything's kind of closing in
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00:53:37
around us.
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00:53:37
Now.
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How do you feel about?
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00:53:43
this person having his finger on a button
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00:53:46
controlling 700 military bases all over the world
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00:53:50
and I was just thinking like Could there
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00:53:52
be something here where you get people who
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00:53:54
are actually shaken up to get them to
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00:53:56
realize that wait a second Is there is
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00:53:59
it a good idea to have Such an
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00:54:02
expensive such a vast Empire so much so
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00:54:05
many boots on the ground different countries So
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00:54:07
many nuclear weapons so many there's so many
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00:54:09
so much so much Power all over the
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00:54:12
world and to try and maybe in in
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00:54:15
that some way I know Jill Stein ran
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00:54:16
on the ticket of okay, you know closing
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00:54:20
all the bases and a dismantling empire Is
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00:54:22
there a way we can carve out some
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00:54:24
kind of campaign that look you realize that
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00:54:25
this?
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00:54:27
Someone like this in your in your own
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00:54:29
words is a threat to the world of
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00:54:33
that democracy, whatever Now, you know, how about
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00:54:36
you working on scaling back some of the
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00:54:38
the boundaries of this this US Empire?
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00:54:40
I mean, he does seem like a person
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00:54:42
who's all America first and you know anti
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00:54:44
interventionist and isolationist and stuff and that could
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00:54:47
maybe help In that regard if he's not
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00:54:49
surrounded by neocons, do you think there's something
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00:54:49
in there?
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00:54:52
I mean, there's something Sort of like that
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00:54:53
it's already underway.
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00:54:55
I mean that is a faction of the
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00:54:58
right at this point I think that one
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00:55:01
thing that nobody has tried yet is to
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00:55:06
attempt to run a nonpartisan Campaign around process
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00:55:08
issues so that we have a fair fight.
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00:55:09
What do I mean?
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00:55:11
I mean that there are certain things that
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00:55:15
make American elections very easy to buy very
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00:55:18
easy to influence like why does a pack
00:55:18 -->
00:55:18
have so much power?
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00:55:22
There are very very common-sense issues like
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00:55:25
Trump, I think one of his slogans is
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00:55:29
Common core of common sense or something like
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00:55:29
that.
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00:55:31
Like there are certain things about how decisions
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00:55:34
are made politically in the United States that
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00:55:37
the vast majority of Americans agree with that
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00:55:42
Nobody has really seriously attempted to sally a
00:55:42 -->
00:55:45
campaign for now Imagine if you put together
00:55:45 -->
00:55:47
a very very targeted we're not going to
00:55:47 -->
00:55:49
get involved in the culture wars We're not
00:55:49 -->
00:55:51
going to get involved in the social issues.
00:55:51 -->
00:55:55
We're going to fix campaign finance We're going
00:55:55 -->
00:55:58
to fix Ranked versus first past the post
00:55:58 -->
00:55:59
voting.
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00:56:02
We're gonna fix The whole super PAC phenomenon.
00:56:02 -->
00:56:05
We're going to fix all of these things
00:56:05 -->
00:56:09
that determine how politics happen in the United
00:56:09 -->
00:56:11
States, which makes it very susceptible to moneyed
00:56:11 -->
00:56:16
interests and to External interference and makes the
00:56:16 -->
00:56:18
fight so much harder like you could fight
00:56:18 -->
00:56:20
a pack by making a Muslim a pack
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00:56:24
or You could make them register under FARA
00:56:24 -->
00:56:26
and take money out of politics and there
00:56:26 -->
00:56:28
won't be anything like a pack ever again
00:56:28 -->
00:56:29
What's right?
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00:56:32
Far is the foreign agent Something or other
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00:56:38
act where it forces Groups to register within
00:56:38 -->
00:56:40
the the federal government as acting on the
00:56:40 -->
00:56:43
interests of foreign agents So a pack has
00:56:43 -->
00:56:45
not been forced to register as a foreign
00:56:45 -->
00:56:46
agent Even though it acts in the interest
00:56:46 -->
00:56:49
of Israel that would limit what they can
00:56:49 -->
00:56:51
do Right, there are things on the books
00:56:51 -->
00:56:53
that are law that hasn't been applied the
00:56:53 -->
00:56:57
Leahy acts which actually affect whether US military
00:56:57 -->
00:56:59
aid can go to nations that are committing
00:56:59 -->
00:57:02
atrocities and violating international laws These things are
00:57:02 -->
00:57:05
law right but the thing is that if
00:57:05 -->
00:57:07
you find it the thing that we have
00:57:07 -->
00:57:08
to do or one of the things that
00:57:08 -->
00:57:09
we have to do is study the way
00:57:09 -->
00:57:12
That decisions are made rather than only focus
00:57:12 -->
00:57:15
on the end product of policies What are
00:57:15 -->
00:57:17
the processes that arrive at these policies in
00:57:17 -->
00:57:17
the first place?
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00:57:19
If you look at the political terrain, we
00:57:19 -->
00:57:20
have a very unfair fight.
00:57:21 -->
00:57:24
The the inputs are enormous all these sorts
00:57:24 -->
00:57:26
of things How do we actually level a
00:57:26 -->
00:57:26
playing field?
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00:57:30
Nobody has actually attempted to do this that
00:57:30 -->
00:57:31
to my knowledge and I think that that
00:57:31 -->
00:57:36
would actually be a really interesting Attempt or
00:57:36 -->
00:57:39
a really interesting movement to initiate So no,
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00:57:41
okay, that can be another thing you can
00:57:41 -->
00:57:45
what you guys can work on So that's
00:57:45 -->
00:57:47
getting late here we've got a we took
00:57:47 -->
00:57:48
a lot of time let's let's regroup after
00:57:48 -->
00:57:50
a few weeks you get you crack on
00:57:50 -->
00:57:53
with you know, trying to try to influence
00:57:53 -->
00:57:57
the tussle within Trump's inner circle and outer
00:57:57 -->
00:58:00
circle as much as you can inshallah Congratulations
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00:58:03
again We'll stop the recording in a minute
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00:58:04
You can put your mega cat back on
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00:58:07
but my hair for joining us.
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00:58:09
Well, let's let's regroup in a few weeks
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00:58:12
inshallah And see how you get on And
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00:58:14
that's my head on to you at home
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00:58:15
for watching if you like this podcast as
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00:58:17
usual give like and share Just know in
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00:58:19
the comments get involved have your say until
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next time.
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