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The Deen Show – Why Kevin Lee accepted Islam
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The speakers discuss their experiences with religion and the importance of finding one's own values. They also talk about the benefits of pursuing a passion for Islam and finding one's own "immigrational" status. The upcoming "immigrational crisis" can affect personal and professional lives, but it is important to stay true to one's values and not give up on others. Practiceing spiritual practices among Muslims is around for 1000 years, and people are trying to avoid confusion between their spiritual practices and their religious beliefs. They also mention a surprise they received from people who had tried to convert them to Islam.
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A very peaceful in a very fulfilling journey. You shouldn't be drinking, you shouldn't be important. You shouldn't be going into clubs or anything like that. So it really accepted my place in life as a Muslim. Did you get a chance to watch that? What was your reaction? Some of the most disciplined people that I know are very religious. It's really fascinating, particularly fighters. Like a lot of the Islamic fighters were and it just made so much more sense did he did John Jones also say, Well, I voted him now Muslim. I'm good, sir. How are you doing? Oh, man, how good God is so good. Yeah, I think you said it perfect. Right there been a Muslim your whole life and I was so caught up in Oh,
what do I look like? Oh, is everybody looking at me? I even had that misconception a little further and he fell on his face and prayed to himself No, he prayed to God and I will look them in the found no, I'm Muslim. I will die in Muslim as salaam alaikum greetings of peace. I have a surprise for you. Some amazing news. I recently found out that a very famous veteran formerly with the UFC by the name of Kevin Lee, who is an American former lightweight champ professional mixed martial artists. He formally competed with the UFC EFC and his recently, on ESPM he bravely courageously announced that he had he had accepted submission to the Creator, not the creation, Islam. I've accepted Islam,
right, I've converted over to Islam. Now I really want to know just like you do what led him to make this decision? Is it all those scientific proof mentioned in the Quran embryo in the grand cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the seventh seventh century?
Evening
could not have known these facts about human development in the seventh century, because most of them were not discovered until the 20th century, these facts could only have been revealed to Muhammad by the one no one who knows all about it. Is it a simple message of the purpose of life with a lucid and clear belief in the absolute oneness of the Creator is the Brotherhood the moral code is that the love of Jesus is a mighty messenger. I love a chance to ask Kevin Lee myself all these questions and more would you guys like that? Should we get Kevin Lee on the D show?
Should we well, that's my surprise to you. Alhamdulillah we got him here with us for this special episode of the D show with Kevin Lee mm
final messengers Muhammad peace be upon him. This is our religion Islam.
This is the dijo.
faith of Islam show Welcome to the deen show. The Deen show
salaam aleikum. Wa alaikum. Salam, how you doing, brother? It's a pleasure to be here. I'm doing great. I'm feeling great. It's a pleasure to talk to you. Very nice. Alhamdulillah. Thank you for accepting the invitation. Yes, yeah. Thank you for extending it.
So,
ESPN, you're on ESPN? Like many of us, we saw this short clip there. I've accepted Islam. Right. I've converted over to Islam. How did it lead up to that that you came out? I don't even know what the question was before. After I just saw that clip. Can you kind of go ahead and and fill us in how it came to that and what made you come out on ESPN to have officially announced that you had accepted Islam? Yeah, I've been pretty selective with the media that I've been doing, especially in the last two years. I feel like I've been through an extended period of personal growth. And in this while we're while we're negotiating my fighting career, while I'm getting ready to sign a new
contract with a different organization
The conversation that we were having just kind of led to it and it led to the announcement almost, it wasn't like I planned it be beforehand but
in Shalonda and mashallah, it worked out perfectly.
And I think it was just in due time that I actually make the announcement and, and tell people and kind of let people in a little bit more into my personal life.
My my, my religion and my faith is a personal thing. So, so my family everyone around me have known for over a year plus, but it was the time that I let the public know, as well. Yes, correct. It's you actually made that decision back in 2021. Right. Yeah, it was October 2021, where I officially walked into a mosque for the first time and I officially said the deed and in was accepted. Share that with me now share that experience, first time walking into mosque because I'm trying to get you know, the whole world to come and connect, because we got so many misconceptions stereotypes. You know, there's this false fear that's created, but how was it you know, that first time you go ahead
and you step in, and you make that now that decision, I'm going to go into mosques and see for myself was going on with these Muslims. You know, what, how was that experience life? And what led you again, to make that even decision to go ahead and step into a mosque for the first time? Yeah, I think you said it perfect, right there. That there's a misconception. And I even had that misconception, right. I can remember, as a child, my, my mom was always Muslim, right? She, her name Veronica Muhammad. And, you know, she, she would take me with my cousin a few times to a few mosque. But I'm very young at this time, right? I'm seven, eight years old. But everyone in my family,
everybody in the community, everybody kind of had these stigmas around Islam and Muslims, to where I didn't take it serious. I didn't, my heart was closed off because of how everyone kind of always portrayed the religion. So I never really even took it serious. It's been like a few years, and I don't know how much you want to kind of dig into this and how much
you know, you want me to talk about it necessarily. But I do feel like it's important. However, however, you however much you feel comfortable. You know, we'll dig as much as you feel comfortable. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I do feel you know, it's important to give people a good storyline that they can that they can follow that they can understand, to get to a better understanding, you know? Yeah, tell us about that, please. So I want to say this all started in 2018. Doesn't 18 2018 was the first time that I really kind of had my eyes open. And for me, fighting is a huge part of my life, right. I've been a professional for for over 11 years now. And it was before my fight with Hatfield, Los
Angeles,
was fighting over a former world champion for the first time. And in the locker room of that fight. Like, it's hard for me to explain, right? It's hard to explain some of these things if you haven't experienced it, but it was almost as if my eyes had been, like, changed a little bit like they had been open. And it was strange, because I didn't necessarily know what it meant. And I'm getting ready for this big fight. And you know, I'm in the locker room, I'm getting ready to walk out and I can remember walking with like, this crazy confidence, like I just knew, everything seemed to be in sync, everything seemed to be to be to be coming together. I didn't necessarily know what it meant,
right?
I ended up losing that fight, which created a lot of confusion. Like why would this happen in the locker room and and I ended up losing the fight.
And I went on a crazy and that's kind of what started this whole this whole journey and this whole path to what what does it all mean? What what is what is I feel like
I was speaking to me and God was speaking to me in that night. And it took me a long time to recognize the voice and to understand it and to to come to the understanding and I didn't really get a my heart didn't really open up to it being a lot nearer to it into being a Muslim was the path that will get me closer to it until about 2020
at after
I'm sorry, I feel like I'm I feel like I'm kind of rambling a little bit.
Too far. No, no, he's going good. You got 2018 You got something going on now and you're you know, at the point we all come to a point I mean, well we all have our personal journeys that we go through and you know, you're getting jumping in a cage, you're risking your life and now you're thinking like What's this all about now? What's is it the question that's coming to summary like what's the purpose of life? What's it all about? You know, I mean,
I can imagine Kevin, look, I've often given his example like imagine you jump into this cage. And there's no goal ultimate goal at the end. There's nothing there's no like, more winner. There's no point there's nothing. It's just like random, you know what I mean? But what about right? You know, so are you is that that's what you're hitting, too at this is what's going on the point in your life. Exactly, exactly. That's, that's, that was kind of the point. I was hitting that at 2018. What does it all mean, right?
And what does it all mean? What does it all mean? That's the question. Okay.
And I'm so used to just kind of, okay, just buckling down and just doing what I'm used to doing right, just go back to fight and go back to what you're used to doing. Which is what I did in 2019. Right. 2019 was, it was a great year for me. I made necessary adjustments. I felt like I got closer and closer to the path that I needed to be on.
That was the year that I fought at Madison Square Garden and all these great things started happening, right.
And then and then my, my, my,
my humbleness kind of went away. I started saying oh, it was me that did this. Oh, it was me. It was like, oh, because I because I because I'm the man. That's why
you start doing the chest bump hop pointing to you. Exactly, exactly. I'm like, Oh, yeah. Okay, of course, this this bolster happen this way. I'm putting in all this hard work. So I'm doing all of this. And that's why these good things are happening. I call that the Conor McGregor. You know, the short? Yeah.
So tell us more. Keep going. Yeah,
I was filling it. And then I got smacked with a reality check. And 2020 I think that's when my heart was forced kind of open. You know, it had been closed off. But after I fought Charles all Aveiro,
which was a great fight, right. I felt like I was winning that fight.
It was it was a great fight in the moment, but it just after the fight, it was so impactful to me.
And it really
made me sit in search and think and it made me
it just made me realize like, I'm not necessarily the one that's, that's in charge of this whole thing. You know, you have to you almost had to let go, I had to let go and, and just surrender myself.
And it took me it took me almost a year before I before I actually accepted that and actually realized that that's what I needed to do. It wasn't until May of that year, that
that I started looking toward towards Muslims that I started that I started kind of opening my heart up a little bit that I started listening just just a little bit more, and it just made so much more sense. And on my birthday, I had an experience where I felt like God really came to me. And he told me, Hey, listen, you've been a Muslim your whole life, you just you just haven't, you just haven't accepted it. You just haven't. You just haven't listened to you. You've been stuck in your own your own hubris, you've been stuck in your own in your own ego for so long.
My birthday is in September, and after that experience, I decided okay, I'm actually going to open my heart and actually listen and follow through. And since then, it's been an amazing journey. Since then, I've gained more clarity each and every day. I feel like every day I put my face on the ground and I think I'll offer for given me this breath for allowing me to step and I'm going to continue to just step in his shoes. And it's a very, very peaceful and a very fulfilling journey for how you were saying is just just fighting and there's no really there's no end goal you know, there's no money to be made yet. Sure. But but I'm just fighting just to fight. Now I feel like I'm fighting
for a different reason in the fight is everyday. Well, you know, it has me thinking and I just want to bridge this gap here because that's what we kind of try to do is try to define these terms help the average American the average person, you know, understand like when we say Muslim, you know, this is so close to home, when you understand the meaning a Muslim is just simply wondering, you define it on who submits his or her will to the Creator of the heavens and earth. That's what a Muslim is. Right? And you just came back as we say there's a statement by the last amount of ministers at the mankind Prophet Muhammad is when someone accepts Islam, they're just coming back to
that natural way. You know, they're coming back to that submission. Because you're submitting to something you're either some into your desires, you're submitting to money, fame to a human being, you came back to that natural way of worshipping just the Creator of the heavens on Earth.
If it's just it's something that makes so much sense and you mentioned Allah, Allah, people are going to see now that Jesus peace be upon them. He would he spoke Aramaic, and he would say, Hola Hola. Hola. He would also call on God, Allah. So this is now it's like helps people understand better, you know, so they're not thinking something foreign, you know. And then I mentioned earlier in the show, you had the greatest American hero of all time, Muhammad Ali. He was a Muslim. He was a Muslim, he was one who's fallen that same way of life. Tell me this. So now how is it and you said, you put your face on the ground? If someone opens up the Bible and quote sees Jesus and he went a
little further and he fell on his face and prayed to himself? No, he prayed to God just like you. You're doing the same? What? How was that experience? And you see Habib doing it after his fights. Also, he's saying that hamdulillah he's praising God. We even saw John Jones saying they'll have the, you know,
the John Jones Awesome. Yeah, I'll say he said it. Yeah, I can send you the clips. So I converted him now Muslim. I'm good, sir. How are you doing? Oh, man, how good. God is so good.
I did a program on this. And this is this is kind of like saying Hallelujah, like all pray to not yourself, you know, but to like, Khabib does, like pointing up a boat, you know, to the crater. That's it. So how was it now, when you first made was called Sajida. When you put your face on the ground, you humbled yourself, you know, how was it? Malcolm X, when he did this? The first time he said things would never be the same? You know what I mean? It was just that humbleness? You know, just connecting with God Almighty. How was your experience with that? When you first time and then now you're continuing obviously to establish the prayer when I first did it, right. And I'm gonna
try to be as candid and as open as possible. Yes, please. When I first did, I was it was so far. And it was such a
it was it was it took a lot, right. It took it took a lot for me to just kind of bow down really like literally. And figuratively. So Malcolm was talking about yes, yeah, it took it took an incredible amount of of, of, I don't I don't necessarily know the word for it.
But it just it took a lot. And the first time that I did, I was so caught up in Oh, what do I look like? Oh, is everybody looking at me? Oh, what is what is I was so caught up in in my own ego of being here still. Um, I want to say it took me about a good four or five months before I really just just now it's such a peaceful and it's such a it's such a, it's such a rich, ritualistic thing to me that I don't necessarily think about it, it just it just gives me peace. Right? It just gives me is just it's almost like walking, you know, I don't after you do it for so long. You just you don't even think about it. Yeah, that's just normal. But the first time, I'll have to say is extremely,
it's hard. It's very hard. Would you say? Because you were fighting was called the neffs. You were fighting fighting your inner self. It's called jihad, that struggle now. Yeah. And it was that tug of war back and forth. So you have to, you have to submit it. Right. And it's hard to know who to give into right. And I think you said, I think you said a good earlier is, is even people who don't necessarily recognize themselves as Muslims, they're still given it to something right, you're still you're gonna, it's that's just a way of human nature, you're gonna bow down to something. And I think I've spent so long and bowing down to my own ego, and in my home, what was the word you use
for it? Now? neffs This is that? Yes, this is the neffs This is the ego. This is the self, you know, the inner self that wants this wants that wants, you know, that fulfillment, you know, other than right, you get what you're given and all those things that can be harming it or harm harmful for it, you know? Okay, so yeah, exactly. That's a great way of putting it and I'm still learning a lot.
So yeah, I think I think that that was a very hard battle to first have. But what's kept me on the path. You've even mentioned that I think the greatest fighters in the world, and the greatest fighters in history have always been Muslim, and they've always accepted that you're talking about Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson. I feel like Floyd Mayweather even even though Floyd isn't coming out publicly and saying that he still lives his life in a lot of the same way that Muslims do. Is there something we don't know that Floyd Mayweather Did you hear something is he does he come into Islam investigating Islam, Floyd Mayweather, Mayweather, Did he accept this? I've heard rumblings. But
you're not going to hear directly from me. I think that's a very personal thing. So something that you have to ask him but as far as as far as living his life and and living his life in the group
Rick weigh in and praying and I think he's very much along that path. Yes. Tell me Tell me this. You've also been blessed to how important is it with good companionship good friends you got a brother Saeed who's around you also. He's your coach when your coach is your coach and he's someone like him and others you know have Did you get a chance to spend some time also with hubby? Was he able to also be a good influence on you and others like that? Seeing you know, what's different about these guys, you know, we could be out doing business but a time comes and now they're like, hold on, we gotta go. Pray. Hold on. You're not gonna go drinkin. Hold on, let's go to the club. You
know, after party, right? Nick Diaz. Let's go to meet you at the after party. We didn't go to the party. So these things stand out. Absolutely. And I think the first person to introduce me to that is for razza hobby.
My brother for us. Xavi, Misha. Yeah, good. Yeah, he was the first person to introduce me to it with without really doing it and is not doing it directly, right, just by seeing the way that He lived and seeing Oh, yeah, yeah, he operated. I went to him in 2019. And like I told you, it's that's the year that I felt like I shine the most. I was spending the most amount of time with him in in, in Canada, before this whole craziness with COVID. And all that stuff is going on.
But yeah, for Ross, my brother's IE, there's, there's been a lot of people, especially since I've made the announcement that have come out and give me support. And they're all super disciplined.
And they just they have the thing that I've always liked. And I feel they don't beat themselves.
Up. I haven't met a devout Muslim yet that beats themselves in the way that that I have before. I remember you reminded me now for Azabu Yeah. Wow. I interviewed him but I also had miticide vectus. He was also what you guys mitzvah Yeah, he went through. If you can watch the interview I did with him. He talks about same thing. He kind of let his you know, mine and he lost direction. And then he felt like he got humbled. You know what I mean? Same thing, and then that helped to bring him back on what he needed to be upon. And he also somebody who you trained with, didn't you? And yep, in Canada. Yeah, lads that you that you also interview? Yeah, yes, yes. Yeah. He spent some time with
us also in Chicago.
Yeah, yeah. He's incredibly smart. He's incredibly smart. And he's a great mind. Not just for MMA, but for life in general. He's, he's incredibly shallow. Hamdulillah. So tell me this. Recently, you had, did you see Joe Rogan? He was actually praising the Muslim fighters. Did you see that? Where he was coming out? And he was what we're talking about, actually, Joe Rogan was talking about, you know, just his discipline, and, you know, not getting caught up into hedonism. Did you get a chance to watch that? What was your reaction? Some of the most disciplined people that I know are very religious. It's really fascinating, particularly fighters. Like a lot of the Islamic fighters that
have Dagestan. There are some of the most dominant fighters and some of the most religious fighters, so devout and because they don't have the distractions, that a lot of the hedonist do, you know, they're not party like the guys at a Khabib Nurmagomedov camp are some of the most dominant fighters there, they wear their hair all exactly the same way they practice all that all they care about is like family, religion, training. They don't chase girls, they don't drink. They're just, they're, they're just training constantly, like insanely dedicated to their craft. And they're the most dominant to be just very wealthy. Yeah, and drives a Toyota truck. I mean, he's, he lives in the
same house. I mean, it's like he's very devout in his beliefs and the way he's raising other fighters. And now he just got out. I think he's decided to retire completely from mixed martial arts to coaching and everything. very religious. I haven't, but I think I maybe it's the clip, where he was asking below, I think that for a fighter, having a religion like that, especially being devout, it does have an advantage. And that that's one more thing you don't have to think about. Yeah. And it also just builds you up from you when you're a kid, just the discipline of I know I have to do this, this and this every single day. I'm not allowed to eat this. I'm not allowed to eat pork. I'm
not allowed to do this. I'm not allowed to gamble. I'm not allowed to play, drink or anything like that. So it puts you in those things that a lot of those things are worse for you as a fighter anyway, like you shouldn't be drinking, you shouldn't be important. You shouldn't be going to clubs or anything like that. So at the end, I think it's like the being that's why you've seen most of the Muslims starting to be the best fighters out there. Where he was asking Bilaal and he was asking him how
how it is training with with a lot of the Dagestani guys, and I know pretty much all of them are all Muslim, you know, and he talked about the discipline that they kind of have, and day in and day out, you know, and I really feel like that's where the fights are one um,
and especially me, I've been, I've been fighting for a long time, right? I've had almost 30 professional fights at this point, the best fights are always won when I'm when I'm strictly discipline.
Before the fight, they they're always won before the fight. And I think that sometimes you can kind of forget that along the way, you know, you can just kind of you can,
you can kind of get lost in it. But, you know, those guys, they just they never wavered from it. And I'm happy that I'm finally along that path. I don't think that there's a reason ever for me to go back into the hedonism. I could spend the rest of my life in it and not enjoy those things. And that can be very tempting, right tantalizing, you know, the whole world opens up to you person becomes, you know, a great fighter, and then things just start coming your way, right? And then sometimes, you know, you go down that path and it goes into the path of destruction. But
I think it can be tempting if you don't, if you don't have a bigger purpose, if you don't have to figure out exactly what your outlook is. And when you realize like that there's so much in this life and the hereafter that that you have to that you're going to be held accountable for. If you don't have that, then yeah, it can be very tempting, which I was when I was young, but you know, I'm not a young man anymore. I'm a madman.
You still talk? You mentioned Balaam. Muhammad, you're in touch with him? You guys? Yeah, he's a good friend. He's an attorney. He comes to Florida sometimes to train with us to tell him and tell him I'm looking for him. I have heard about a program we lost touch. It's been like a long time. But tell him I give give him my salaams and tell him I'm looking for him. Okay, absolutely. Yeah, we got to hook up tell me this. We also had recently, and this is what for me, for me really had me wake up to the reality of what we're talking about the bigger scheme of things, you know, what's the purpose of life, you know, just thinking and contemplating on death. And we had someone just recently,
Connor, I mentioned his name, because now he also there was something a video of him getting hit by a car, Conor McGregor, and he said, Man, I couldn't I could have just died, you know, something along those lines. And people don't think about that, you know, are you more conscious of that? Now the reality that at any time, you know, life can be taken. We're all just hanging by a thread anytime, you know, everything, all this stuff. And all this stuff we imagine is going to stay behind. Yeah. And I martial law didn't have to go through a near death experience like that in order to to understand that, right. I think I think you're right, I think it's going to change him
actually, I think he's going to even change Connor, somebody who, who has all the resources and the biggest ego in the world. I think, at the end of the day, you start to realize, once this is all said and done, and once you die, and you have to be held accountable for you for all your actions and everything that you put into this world.
That that it's bound to humble even even the biggest, the biggest guys, you know, and you hear Mike Tyson talking about it a lot. He's somebody that I really look up to. He's somebody who's, who's who, Conor McGregor kind of pales in comparison to right when you start talking about fame celebrity or all these worldly things. He pales in comparison to Mike and Mike will tell you straight up that
you're going to be held accountable for the pretty things you know you're going to have to if something is going to change you no matter how big and strong you are something something's going to change you and I think this is along the paths of changing Connor and hopefully change in the MMA scene in general you know I think we have been stuck in this whole period of of you know, the trash talk and the in the sandwich you need just to hyper fight and just to get people's interests but at what costs in it what what cost to yourself at the end of the day you know once you once you're done fighting and once you have kids looking up after you at what cost are we going to do this too and I
hope if Connor changes and if everybody in the in the game changes that it can go towards the right path and maybe could be beaten Connor was was a way for that to start in like I think that fight was 2018 I'm not really sure when that fight was but yeah, I hope that's along the right paths of changing the whole game. I wanted this to be us just scratching the surface because I really look forward to doing our next insha Allah interview there. We were supposed to meet up I was there in person
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Muslims around here it's pretty huge and split like this the place the location that you opened in basically for further south from the other big massages. And everyone I know a lot of people that are used to come Mike my cousin lives nine minutes from here, another uncle of mine lives about five to 10 minutes from here, this area, the Masjid opened up in an area that it's much needed. And this size, this
the center, this center is much needed for this area. And the idea of this center is needed for the whole state because we don't have anything like that in the whole state that was center where it's gonna basically nurture and basically educate and it's gonna basically spread this name
so Inshallah, this could be a warm up, where we can go more in depth, you know, to more your story, I just wanted us to kind of touch upon some things and make the kind of introduction, but Inshallah, I'd love to do it proper in person. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Inshallah it'll happen. And, you know, I think, yeah, that will be great. I feel like in person is always better. Right. Absolutely. Yes. So, just a couple more questions before we conclude. So it's nice to see someone like yourself now, you know, coming to Islam, and just being brave enough and courageous enough, because it sets a good precedent for others, you know, because there's been so much, you know, bullying with the kids,
you know, you know, as soon as you say Muslim people start thinking, you know, and I think the tide is starting to turn now people are opening their minds, you know, you just had also recently I don't know if you've heard of this Lex Friedman. But yeah, yeah, he's a good friend of I think Joe Rogan's he just had any mom, so they might on his program, and I listen to that, listen to that. Yeah, yeah, it was great. It was great. I mean, so I mean, you just can't be someone you're sincere. If you're looking for the purpose of life, and you hear these things, you know, that's just connect with the human soul, like it did with you that you can at least be inquisitive to want to know more. And
then, at the end of the road, if you decide to take another pet, that's your that's your, that's your right, but at least, you know, you take that step, you know, to clear your mind from all of this false hype propaganda that's been out there, you know. Yeah. And I feel like that's, that is a good message that we that we have to send to the youth, you know, I think the stereotypes are definitely out there. And I can only speak in my personal experience, right?
In you know, growing up in Detroit and being around nothing but but but black people, you kind of only associated with the most extremist forms of Islam, but when you really, if you really opened up your heart, and you really were to dive into, into the truth of it, is it's just extremely peaceful. It isn't. And these practices have been around for 1000s and 1000s of years, they're practiced by billions of people. There's, I hear so many of like, my close friends and stuff that will say, Okay, I'm not religious, I'm spiritual. But okay, but But what does that mean? You know, what, okay, your spiritual, but how do you get in touch with that spirit and I think the practices of Islam and the
practices of being a Muslim bring you more and more in touch with with that with that spirit. If you are spiritual, opening your heart to the billions of people that have already been sent in this spirit, they they've been practicing for a lot longer than you, you can you can learn from other people and
then you don't have to create this. I feel like a lot of people these days are creating kind of a separation between themselves and the rest of the world versus us all coming to
gather in in really standing and standing with God. You've tweeted, you know, have you gotten a lot of love from the community in that? Have you gotten? Has there been any kind of pushback has some any from your family or others that you know, have some kind of questions like?
How do you deal with that? Is it going to be challenging? Or does that just does that increase your motivation to learn more, so you can answer certain questions that come about? Yeah, exactly. I've gotten, you know, people questioning in and people like, kind of, oh, you're not really like, Oh, what do you believe? Do you believe this and that, and I've had like, Christians trying to convert me back over.
I've had people straight up telling me like, No, you're not Muslim, you're a Christian, you're Christian. And I will look them in the found no, I'm Muslim, I will die and Muslim.
And, you know, and then they try and you know, kind of, that's why it's very interesting to me, because they will bring up Jesus and they'll and they'll, you know, kind of teach me the lessons of Jesus.
A lot of them I've heard before a lot of them I've I feel like, in I don't know, maybe you can educate me here. But but let me explain to you what I hear when people say a lot of people will quote the Bible. But I almost feel like I'll hear the same quote from the Bible. And people will draw two different conclusions from it. Versus when I hear people quote the Quran, I always hear the same message, the exact same message from the Quran, there's no, there's no, it's not up for interpretation. Oh, along, don't even
let me only do
one a miracle.
That is the word of God, and they'll stick to it. Whereas people will kind of use Christianity or, or they would use these other scriptures. And they'll use these other words, and justify whatever actions that they're taking right now. You know, I can do this. It's okay, because the Bible says this, But then another person will do the exact opposite. I can do this. It's okay. Because the Bible said that, and they'll take the same words and flip them around.
That's just my personal experience. Yeah. From what I've seen from from other religions, and like you said, Yeah, I've had people. People come at me in all different types of ways. But it doesn't. It doesn't it'll never swayed persuade me. You know, I don't ever, you know, Nick never knocked me off my path. I've spent 30 years getting on this path, and there's nothing that can that can change me. Yeah, that's when you know that you're on the original way. Just like you know, Islam. You were saying this has been around for, you know, for since the first man Adam, he was told to submit his will to the credit heavens on earth. He was a Muslim. You know, Jesus was the Muslim, Abraham was
the Muslim that people say, What are you talking about, because a Muslim is one who submits his or her will to the Creator heavens and earth and the Lord's prayer or, or Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name, thy will be want, this is Islam, and you're doing the natural way, the way of Jesus of Abraham or Moses, you're not submitting to a human being, to money to your desire to your neffs, as we call it, you submitted to the One who created you and that's the natural ways the beautiful way. And I like what you said about when people quote the Bible, obviously, we respect you know, people's decisions that they live by whatever way what they live by as Christians and whatnot.
They're called people with the book in Islam. But we say that now we have the as you had the Old Testament, the New Testament you have the last and final testament as the verbatim Word of God Almighty, the Quran, the previous books, they were distorted they were changed that's why God Almighty Allah said the preserved book that we have today revealed a span of 23 years the Quran so
that is beautiful. It's very very nice talking with you brother. I'm so elated and so excited to hear this good news straight from you. And we opened up and we said we had a surprise and we got the surprise to the people I'm sure people gonna be so excited. And we'll give him something to look forward to next time inshallah probably towards the end of the month, I'll be down in Florida inshallah. I will love it. I would love that. Yeah, yeah, we have a much more in depth.
conversation. I feel Yeah, I feel there's a lot I can learn from. Yeah, I'm here from your brother. Anytime any questions, anything. I'm here to help you out as my new brother in the dean and Islam.
Give up give all the brothers down there and salaams give if you talk for us all day, Mr.
Ali, you're with what's his name your manager now I'll
get give him give him my Salam, salam, Saeed and everybody and inshallah we'll see each other in person supply. Thank you so much. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Thank you so much. I Scylla s
Salam aleikum Abdullah
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