The Deen Show – WATCH Jewish Dr. Norman Finkelstein DESTROY Common ZIONST Argument
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When you go to Israel, 21% of
the population is Arab, and out of that
Arab, I think 12% are Muslim.
They have political parties.
They vote.
They have freedom of speech.
They're prosperous.
I've been to many of their villages in
northern Israel, and compare it to anywhere else
in Jordan or Egypt, Syria, Iraq, there's nothing
like it.
No Arab citizen anywhere in the Middle East
has the freedom to express himself and to
vote and to worship as he feels as
they do in Israel.
Your response?
Well, in the past few years, there have
been several human rights organization reports on the
situation, the legal status of Arabs, Palestinians, in
the area from the Mediterranean Sea to the
Jordan River.
There was one put out by B'Tselem, the
main Israeli human rights organization, monitoring the West
Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza.
There was a report put out by Amnesty
International.
There was a report put out by Human
Rights Watch.
The first point to make is there isn't
an occupation anymore.
The occupation under international law, what distinguishes an
occupation from an annexation or an illegal annexation,
is one thing.
It's very simple.
What distinguishes an occupation from annexation is an
occupation is temporary.
Well, Israel occupied the West Bank and Gaza
in 1967.
We're talking now about more than a half
century.
It's not temporary anymore.
It's an annexation.
So, the first point we have to keep
in mind is there is one state, one
state from the Mediterranean to the Jordan.
That is the state of Israel.
And as B'Tselem put it, there is one
state, and that state is anchored in the
principle of Jewish supremacy.
Now, there are unequal levels of Jewish supremacy.
In the case of the West Bank and
Gaza, West Bank including East Jerusalem and Gaza,
in the case of the West Bank including
East Jerusalem and Gaza, they have no rights.
They have no right to vote.
They have no rights whatsoever.
They're basically a helot, a slave population.
Is he lying?
Does he know this?
Well, then we'll go on.
He says, I said, there are unequal rights.
You have to remember, even in the United
States before the Civil War, there were blacks
who were free.
It wasn't everybody.
Every black person was a slave.
But nobody would make the ridiculous claim that
blacks enjoyed equal, the free blacks enjoyed equal
rights to whites in the pre-Civil War
South.
So it is true that in the portion,
and we have to bear in mind it's
just a portion, in the portion of that
Israeli state that extends from the Mediterranean to
the Jordan, there's a portion, namely the Palestinian
Arabs in Israel, who enjoy, they have the
right to vote.
That's correct.
They have representatives in the Knesset.
That's correct.
My last recollection, it could be wrong at
this point, but they had one Supreme Court
justice.
That's correct.
But they were also second class citizens.
Nobody disputes that.
That's just a silly thing to say.
So what one can say is that there
is one state, half the population of that
one state, or nearly half the population of
that one state, nearly half, it would be
about four and a half million, nearly half
the population has no rights at all and
haven't had any rights since 1967.
And then the other portion of the Arab
population, namely the portion within the state of
Israel, that is not the West Bank, not
East Jerusalem, not Gaza, but within Israel itself,
they enjoy some rights, but they're still, by
all reckonings, they're still second class citizens in
a thousand different ways.
It would be very difficult now to go
through all the laws on the Israeli books,
which relegate the Arabs of Israel to a
second class status.
You could say, well, no, it wouldn't be
exactly right.
I can't find the exact analogy, but that's
roughly the picture.
So we shouldn't forget that when we're talking
about Israel at this point, there's only one
state, the areas, the West Bank, East Jerusalem,
Gaza, they have been effectively and illegally annexed
to the state of Israel.
They are illegally annexed territories, but part of
Israel.
Is this one state you're talking about, is
this undisputed?
Is this a fact that this is an
apartheid state?
I would say that two of the human
rights reports I refer to, one by Amnesty
International and the other by B'Tselem, describe the
whole of Israel as an apartheid state.
Human Rights Watch described the West Bank, including
East Jerusalem and Gaza, as an apartheid-like
state, but they refer to the state of
Israel itself as the Arabs having second-class
citizenship, but not equal to apartheid.
And just a couple more questions before we
conclude.
I've heard you say, and this is, I
want this to really sink into people's minds,
and if their hearts haven't been darkened, you
know, to have some kind of feeling, you
know, otherwise they got to go see a
cardiologist, and maybe the cardiologist is not going
to even help when you mentioned more children
have been killed in Gaza in the last
three weeks than all...
It was at three weeks already, at three
weeks already, there was more children killed than
all the war zones in the world combined,
either in the year 2020, 2021 or 2022.
Wow.
And you mentioned this a week ago, so
that was at three weeks, we're into four
weeks now.
Now it's up to 4,500.
We have to be clear, because now there's
going to be mass death.
There's going to be, there has already been
mass death, now there's going to be negative,
because the whole medical system has collapsed.
They're systematically targeting every hospital in Gaza now.
So everyone in an incubator is going to
die.
It's, it's, it's the end of Palestine.
And everybody from Joe Biden to Bernie Sanders,
everybody who opposes the ceasefire now has oceans
of blood on their hands.
They have oceans, they are complicit in, complicit
in genocide.
Why do you think, I mean, and this
can go into my final question here with
the term, never forget, does that include Palestinians?
The lessons that you learned, what made you
now come to where you're, where you are,
where you put your career, you put, you
put everything...
With all due respect, I don't even want
to talk about myself.
You know, there's a complete catastrophe unfolding.
It's the end.
You know, it's their final solution.
When you unabashedly, unashamedly, boldly, flagrantly, and blatantly
target the hospital system of a country, then
you are in neon lights, in Klieg lights,
telling the world the goal now is the
complete annihilation and polarization of a people.
That's your goal.
Okay.
Thank you.
Thank you, Dr. Finkelstein.
You're welcome.
Thank you very much.
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