The Deen Show – US Special Forces veteran RESPONDS to Navy SEAL Jocko Willink – I cry for Palestinian children
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A former US Special Forces Sergeant discusses the dehumanization of American people and the need for them to speak out against what's wrong, including being approached by the government during a national security crisis. They also discuss their past involvement in the armed forces and their past involvement in the military. The speaker expresses concern about the use of negative media and the media's portrayal of them, as well as the current conflict between the United States and the Republic of Jerusalem, which is a ideology of resistance. They express their desire to defend the Republic of Jerusalem and encourage people to visit the deen center in Tampa.
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Did you serve together at all? I know
war.
What's going on in Palestine right now is
not a war. But I think it's a
fair fight that's happening
in Gaza at this time.
So what about my statement of saying that
I also cry for Palestinian
children? Rogan have an impact at all,
on you? That he put up on Twitter
that shows them Oh, maybe. Drone bombing those
kids that are those men, I should say,
unarmed people that were walking towards the rubble.
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US Special Forces. No. No. No. I'm not
talking about Janko Willnick. What do you feel
about that from a from a moral perspective
as a former seal?
Do you think it's a fair fight? What's
happening there? No. No. No. I got someone
who actually, Jaco
Will Inc, if I'm pronouncing it right, can
can learn
something from, a man of courage, not just
that, but,
show of extraordinary
humanity.
And I wanna go ahead and introduce my
guest
and have him come out. Let's take a
look here who he is, and I'm excited
to have him on.
My name is Alan Spero.
I was with 3rd Special Forces Group.
I was with the commanders in extremist force
of b 2 3. I was a sniper,
assaulter, and a preacher. I know war.
What's going on in Palestine right now is
not a war.
It's not. It is the dehumanization.
It's the genocide.
It's the ethnic cleansing
of a specific people
to take their land. This is not war.
These are people that are defending themselves.
I see this constantly where people are just
repeatedly dehumanizing these people. This is wrong,
and there's nothing more American than than speaking
out against what's wrong. I can't tell you
how many times I've seen
horrible things,
and this takes it to an entirely new
level. The US tax payer is paying for
this, which makes it even more frustrating.
I'm paying for this. I am seeing what's
happening to this. This needs to stop.
Whatever you can do,
anything, this needs to stop. God, I love
you very much. I love all the work
that you're doing. Welcome to the When I
was ready to talk about this, I would
go to the audience, and I was explaining
how much respect I have for the faith
of Islam.
Sergeant Allen, professor, how are you? Excellent. How
are you doing? Good. Good. Great to have
you on the program. Thanks for having me.
So, former special US forces
and, usually people think of, Jocko Wilnick. Am
I pronouncing his name right? Mhmm.
Are you
familiar you're familiar with him? Did you guys
were you did you serve together at all?
Do you have any history together? Have you
guys
So the only history prior to
this last August was,
I taught at at the origin camp Mhmm.
That he has every year, and that's where
I got to meet him, actually talk to
him. And
the only other time was actually at Gracie
Nationals in 2001.
We were both purple belts Mhmm. Competing in
the same tournament,
but we
didn't talk at all or anything like that.
So we're just kinda, like, you know, interweaving.
You know how jiu jitsu is? Yes. You
know, just like we were talking about earlier,
you know, you know, everyone kinda knows each
other in one way or another.
So what I was, what was extraordinary is
your humanity,
you know, coming out.
And these three points,
nothing more American
at this point than, you know, speaking out
against this. What got you to the point
that you are actually speaking out?
Honestly, the
so
initially,
I I went to the city hall meeting
to
because I was frustrated. I just saw the,
veto,
from the US for the 3rd time,
shutting down that the ceasefire resolution,
and I was really frustrated.
Saw that there was a city hall meeting
coming up, and
you know what? These guys get paid for
it. They're gonna hear me vent. I didn't
know anyone going in. I didn't know that
there was other people that were,
speaking for that cause until later. And
it was strange because I didn't know it
was being recorded.
A friend of mine from Houston,
asked me if I spoke at city hall,
and I said yes.
And
they found the video, they edited it, and
they asked me, you know, do you mind
if we send it out? I think it
would be really powerful. And
I was like, sure. I don't I don't
see how that would be. I was just
literally venting and ranting, but it seemed to
make a huge impact. So I'm glad and
just gonna keep pushing forward with it and
carry the momentum as much as I can.
Now fill us in. Okay. You talked a
little bit about that now when you were
when we played the video. So you're a
former US Special Forces Sergeant.
Tell us a little about your history in
in the armed forces.
So initially, I enlisted in 95
and then as a lightweight vehicle mechanic.
I was stationed at Fort Hood in Texas,
and that's that's originally how I ended up
in Texas.
There wasn't anything going on, during that time
frame in the nineties. The Somalia had been
over,
Bosnia,
and Kosovo had been played out and was
everyone was coming back from that.
And,
I just discovered jujitsu in 96.
So,
and I caught that that addiction bug.
And as we both know, at the time,
there was
very few black belts in in the US,
and the only black belt that was actually
in the state was Carlos Machado.
So I ended up moving up to, Dallas,
and that's how I ended up staying here.
In the meantime, I was in the reserves
going to school.
I reclassed to field artillery, and I was
a drill sergeant
And did my trail time in, Fort Sill
in Oklahoma.
And
after 9:11,
I didn't want
to
to be on the sidelines.
You know, there was a fight that was
going in. You know, my grandfather was in
World War 2. My my father was in
in the air force in the seventies, and
I felt that was, like, the calling, you
know, of my generation.
So shortly after that, I, listed,
or went back active duty
and, went to a selection. I made selection,
went to the q course, and then got
recruited on to b 23
and did my time with b 23 and
got out in 2010 from active duty.
2000
from 2010,
2012, I was in, Special Forces National Guard,
and then I got out entirely in 2012.
And you said here in the
talk that you were giving there that this
is not a war. What did you mean
by that?
So in any engagement,
any type of conflict, there's we do have
to abide by the the ROEs, the the
rules of engagement,
and
that's taken very seriously.
You don't target civilians. You don't, you know
the
the games
and I say games
and the
horrific acts that, are being played out there
are literally an extermination. There's
there's so many things missing
from their narrative. You know, going in there
without names and then when they come out,
they got names. Oh, yeah. This guy's a
terrorist.
Well,
how do you target them? You know, there
there's so many things that are off on
this.
And by the time they actually go in
there and do the mission, you know, they're
like, oh, yeah. We got, you know, 50
of these,
Hamas. Well, did you go on there looking
for 50? You know, do you have verification?
Can you bet that is there anything that
you can do to verify that this person
was a terrorist or you're just saying they're
terrorists?
And that's what it it that from the
very beginning, it's been going on, and it's
just continually,
escalated from there. So
they don't abide by any rules and engage
in any type of international law.
And
to say that they're the most moral army,
I I think is is an absolute joke.
I mean, so I mean, you're
former special US forces, so now you're looking
at it from a different lens, from a
different
way that the normal person. So you're seeing
things
that most people like, you know, some common
sense is there and people who,
because there's a lot of programming also. That's
another thing, you know, the media and, you
know, the common narrative and whatnot. So how
long did it take you to and and
what's spoke your interest
interest had you get more interested that you
even went further because it's for some people,
it's like that, yeah, they see it, but
they're like, I'm not I'm not gonna speak
out. The the courage that I talked about,
you need some some some courage and and
also the courage of of speaking out,
against the herd, the the the masses. Right?
The the the common,
narrative,
you went above and beyond. What got you
to that point?
Not so proud to admit this, but the,
what
the moment that everything became unraveled for me
was
maybe a few days after October 7th.
There there been things along the way for
the last,
you know, 15 years or so that kinda
popped up kinda like that doesn't sound right,
and that doesn't feel right. And we
no. I'll just, you know, shelf it. But
the moment that I heard the words,
unprovoked,
It made me and and it was being,
excuse me, it was being parroted by all
the major media.
And
so they,
they were literally just reporting the exact same
thing over and over again and never mentioning
once what had happened
October 6th, you know, or October 5th, or
October 4th, or the the year prior, the
year prior to that, and everything else.
And
it was frustrating to, like, if you're going
to be a media outlet, you have to
give,
the most accurate account
of the situation possible.
And it was literally just one-sided.
And
regardless of
I knew that there was gonna be repercussions.
I I already knew that,
but it didn't matter.
It's it's the right thing to do. I
wholeheartedly believe in it
and that's really all I needed.
The
The other things that that came up were
just kinda
how should I put this? The
the things that I saw, the things that
I did, and the the questions that I
have
really became highlighted,
after October. You know, looking back
and seeing, like, how the media has played
this and how they're layering
it and
the, different reports that are coming out that
they're giving,
it it sounded just
it was to me, it's it just sounded
way too falsified. They're they're just they're not,
you know, realistic
actions and reports. It just everything seemed off
on it. They're they're
I can't really put my finger on it,
but anytime that, well, I can. It it
was just
anytime that you have, you know, people that
are
using starving people
to lure them
into an area where you can create
a deadly situation.
Where you have starving people and I can't
get this out of my head, but when
you have starving people that are literally just
trying to get food and
you know this,
and in the dark,
while everyone is
literally starving to get the supplies that they've
been waiting weeks for.
And then you use that opportunity to create
chaos
and create a situation so that you can,
you know, make it worse, so you can
actually take out more people.
And I I truly believe that is their
ultimate goal. If you look at it from
a perspective where they're just trying to get
rid of people,
everything they're doing makes sense. It doesn't matter
if you kill them, if they're,
if they move on their own,
if they, you know, migrate somewhere else, voluntary,
involuntary, it doesn't matter. Just get them out.
Everything else starts to make sense. And if
you just look at that perspective, then all
pretty much
90% of your questions that you have about
what's going on are answered because
it's a method, a a way, and a
manner for them to eliminate them off that
land.
Now you mentioned the,
the Carlos Machado from the Machado brothers. Anybody
who's in the jutsu knows who the Machado,
legendary Machado family. Now it had me thinking
about okay. Machado's,
you got Joe Rogan. He's also,
connected. His his lineage is there, right, with,
John Jox? That's,
he's his student. John,
Joe Rogan and John Jox student.
Did Joe Rogan have any impact on you?
Because he's also started to,
he had a I recently had Dave Smith
on. He's also Jewish. He's talking about this,
the common narrative,
and what we're fed is totally lies. It's
not true. And he says he's I'm quoting.
He says, look. I I'm Jewish.
Right? And I would wish the Israelis I
wish. Right? It'd be make my life much
more easier. Did Joe Rogan have an impact
at all,
on you? I wanna know what was what
she was fired for. Because was it criticism
of Israel? Was it I mean, did she
show that Edward Snowden video that he put
up on Twitter that shows them drone bombing
those kids that are those men, I should
say, unarmed people that were walking towards the
rubble that clearly weren't causing any danger to
anybody? Yeah. Right. Just bomb them? Yeah. No.
It's your duty. It's just like for Biden
or whoever you like is supposed to cover
up for them because But the whole thing
is like they're always saying they're only targeting
Hamas and everybody else is a casualty. Well,
if those guys are just unarmed civilians and
they're walking alone, that's what they appear to
be. Dresden. And you just blast them from
the sky with robots.
This is the tragedy of war. Yeah. This
is insane. And no one knows what to
think now because if you can't talk about
that, if you can't say that's real, then
you're saying that genocide is okay as long
as we're doing it. And that That is
what we're saying. And if you're saying that
from a perspective of someone who literally went
through the holocaust or your your people, your
tribe went through the fucking Holocaust and now
you're willing to do it? I hope the
irony is not lost on you.
It's so nuts. It's so hard to imagine
that someone
were a culture like, a country was, like,
officially founded in, what, 47?
48. 48? Okay. Officially founded.
So that's so recent.
And you and you guys are willing to
do what was done to you that led
you to believe that you needed to start
your own country? You're willing to do that
at least in a small scale in Gaza,
like, there's nothing left. If you see the
video And have you met Joe Rogan since
you guys have the same teacher?
So,
I got my black belt from Carlos, and
we split ways after 13 years.
I've been ranked under Chris Houdard, who Mhmm.
Got his black belt from Higgin Machado.
So I know. I I I know. I
yeah. He I know Higgin. Yes. Yeah. So,
Chris Houdard,
one of the dirty dozen, got his black
belt from him, and then,
I've been ranked I've been under him for
better part of a decade. I gotcha.
So,
I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and, play
this next clip. I wanna get this, reaction
from you in the hopes of, hopefully, his
humanity can come on. I've read one of,
his books, and he uses the term, this
is Jocko,
warriors, and warriors translating into people of integrity,
good character, and whatnot.
And this is really the time now. We're
seeing a modern day genocide in 4 k.
There's a slogan never again, but now everyone's
quiet, silent,
except for people like yourself. So I wanna
get your reaction to this. And when you
look at the situation with Israel and their
war with Hamas,
and in particular,
the the collateral damage of so many civilians,
particularly children,
getting killed in in the process
of trying to eliminate Hamas. What do you
feel about that? From a from a moral
perspective as a former seal,
do you think it's a fair fight, what's
happening there?
Do I think it's a fair fight that's
happening
in Gaza at this time?
Yeah. You know, I saw I saw a
video clip the other day, Pierce,
of some Israeli soldiers that were moving down
the street in Gaza.
And
as I was watching them move down the
street,
I
remember that that feeling I told you you
get in your gut of that gut wrenching
horrible feeling when someone's gonna get wounded or
killed? Yeah. As I was watching these Israeli
soldiers move down the street, I I got
that feeling. What do you think? The question
was is it a fair fight? How would
you have answered that, and, what's your reaction?
No. It's not a fair fight. It's
I I don't know how it
I'd love to talk about him. I I
do respect a lot of what he says.
I I got to meet him and talk
to him this last summer.
I do also. That that that's why I,
you know, I I'm hoping that,
he sees this and he can connect with
someone like you, and
and he he can have a
a a shift and,
and come out and start speaking out.
And that's the thing.
And I I understand his perspective, and I
understand what he's saying,
But
the the larger context is is what's missing.
You have a military
occupation
that you cannot deny. I mean, if you
this is an apartheid state. If you have
different roads that certain people can can drive
on and certain people cannot,
This is part of apartheid. That you were,
I don't know, ashamed of 90% of the
job you had to do here. What was
these 9 90%?
This.
I was in the patrol that escorted
the engineers who sealed up the doors of
these families here, so they cannot
go out to the street because the street,
the road where we are now, is a
road.
Palestinians cannot step a foot here. And Palestinian
families who live on this road,
their front door is welded shut. And for
them getting in and out of the house
is climbing on the roof, taking a ladder
in a back way into the
old city. But this is Palestine, Palestinian territory.
Yeah. This is occupied territories. Yeah. Even the
most right wing government in Israel's history,
which is the current government, never annexed Iran.
Yeah. Under military rule from 1967 to today,
more than my lifetime.
Palestinians, they have no say.
If you have,
different laws, if you have
I mean, the people in Gaza, I mean,
for the last couple of decades, they've had
bans on
everything from,
cilantro to
potato chips, wedding dresses, fishing poles. I mean,
all these different things.
How can you not see that as, like,
an occupied state?
You have the continuation of settlers
that are they're pushing through, you know, trying
to colonize.
These are legal settlements that there is no
argument that they're illegal settlements,
bottom line.
And
these are the things that are that are
not taken out of context or excuse me,
that are taken out of context
when
they're just trying to give their narrative. Right?
They're just showing, you know, the Israeli soldiers
that are walking down, something bad's gonna happen.
If you reverse roles, right,
you'd see it not as a bad thing
about to happen, but a good thing
happening for the resistance. Right? So
a lot of it is different, you know,
having
to understand the perspective of it.
And,
again, my biggest thing is
no innocent civilians,
bottom line. That that is
that is where I draw the line. Absolutely
not. Do I you know, I don't agree
with what happened,
on October 7th
because it involves innocent civilians.
I also don't condemn, you know, condone what's
been going on
for the 30,000,
you know, or was it up to now,
like, 30 6000, you know, 38,000
that have been killed?
And it's not just the proportionality, but it's
the intent of what they're trying to do.
It it matches up exactly
the last 75 years what they've been attempting
to do.
And that is to literally to exterminate as
many Palestinians as possible so they can just
take their land.
Resources,
anything that, you know, that that's there, you
know, for the the canal, the Ben Gurion
Canal, the,
the natural reserve
excuse me, the natural, gas reserves,
off the coast and on the land.
If you look at it from that perspective,
it's very difficult,
you know, to see
anything other than an occupier that's oppressing,
the population.
How do you think some of the special
forces, some of the people in your unit,
Jocko's unit, Jocko himself, his unit, and if
they had to deal with some people coming
over here and they were like, you know,
our country. Alright? And they were like, hey.
My great great grandfather,
he said, this used to be ours. God
gave us this land. How do you think
that would be,
the the reception of that would be taken?
And this is one thing. It's a talking
point that I that I do bring up
a lot when I'm having these conversations with
people that that don't have the same mentality
as I do. Mhmm. And
when you
have
if you if you just reverse the roles,
Mexicans crossed over the border, they said this
is our land, this Texas belongs to us,
There's an argument to be made there. Right?
There there is an argument to be made.
Mhmm. And they use those as their justifying
rights to, you know, attack Texas, and then
they separate.
Right? And they have, you know, Austin and
or Dallas in one and Houston in another,
and it constantly gets smaller and smaller. And
everyone else, you know, they're being killed. There's
no there's no justice whatsoever. They I got
evicted from my home. They killed my sister.
They killed my my uncle.
They they tortured and detained my, you know,
my younger brother.
I mean, all these things have to be,
you know, contextualized
to understand what's actually going on, You know?
And if you just reverse that same situation,
I have yet to meet someone
that honestly is responding is is responding in
an honest manner that would say, no. I
would fight back.
Every single one of them is saying, yeah,
I would fight back. Then why aren't you
seeing this?
But but but but Hamas,
but terror, but it's the same narrative.
But you literally just agreed that this is
an occupied state. This is, you know, a
a clear occupation and apartheid,
and that you would fight back. So why
can't you see that? And it's for some
reason, there is the connection that I have
the most most trouble, like, you know, for
them to see. Mhmm. And I understand it's
difficult because you're getting all these different,
reports, you know, media, mass media that's funneling,
you know, all these different these narratives, the
the same narrative over and over again on
how, you know, oh, well, if Hamas lays
down their arms,
there would be peace. If the Israelis laid
down their arms, they would get slaughtered.
We don't have any more slave rebellions here
in United States
because we don't have any humans that are
enslaved.
So there's no resistance to be made. That's
the reason we don't have, you know, slave
rebellions anymore. There aren't any more slave. There
aren't any slaves, period.
So
if you look at that in the same
context, what would get rid of Hamas? It's
the resistance, the the ideology, because you can,
yeah,
absolutely agree that you can actually get rid
of Hamas, but something will take over right
away. It's the ideology of resistance that will
never be defeated
military wise. And we've we have this in
in so many instances in history. Mhmm. And
this is the biggest thing that I find
upsetting is that we
we have to learn from history so it's
not repeated,
and it's repeating itself.
We're seeing it happen,
you know, and
we're and I see so many people standing
by. This is what I feel is wrong.
This is where I feel, like, you know,
regardless of, you know, what the ramifications will
be, I need to do the right thing.
Mhmm. And the right thing right now is
defending,
you know, the Palestinians and what's going on
right now
and and bringing my voice to as as
far reach as possible
to make that be known.
I wanna get your reaction to one more
video,
and this is really important because all human
life is precious. I like what you're saying,
innocent life. This is all human life is
precious, but it it it just seems like
the Palestinian life here,
it doesn't seem like some people are taking
it as precious. It's like,
that's that's the really crazy thing. So I
wanna go,
and this is somebody, Candace Owens, who recently
got fired, and she started also speaking out.
I am uncomfortable
with the amount of innocent life that is
lost right now and got
that. And let's have a look at this.
And this is one of the things you
clearly do not understand.
The same way most don't, who are anti
Semites, you don't get it. I cry for
what's going on in Israel.
I cry just as much for what we
are forced to do.
Golda Mayer had a great quote.
She said that
one day we may be able to forgive
them for killing Israeli children. We will never
be able to forgive them
for making them making us kill their children.
So what about my statement of saying that
I also cry
for Palestinian children is wrong to you if
you also admit it is sad when Palestinian
children die? It's painful, but it is not
in any way, shape, or form morally equivalent
to October's It's mind blowing. I don't what's
your what's your reaction to that?
I I think, a buddy of mine that
I was talking to a couple weeks ago
put it best.
And
so he was comparing that to a domestic
call.
Yeah. And
when you put in that context, I I
couldn't I mean, it's not funny. I get
it. But the analogy was was
got me chuckling. The it just using
the,
you know
I'm sorry. This is not funny. It's not
funny in both situations, but, I mean,
it it is as ridiculous.
You know,
a cop walks in and both in the
kitchen, the woman's beat up,
and and the guy's constantly, well, she made
me do it. I I didn't wanna beat
her, but she made me do it.
How can you I mean
It's the same thing he's saying pretty much.
Yeah. And I don't that that's the thing
I don't understand is is there
oh, it's Hamas that's making no. You're doing
it. Bottom line, I don't care what you
say,
what what your context is, you're doing it.
That's the bottom line. You're doing it. There
is no, like, oh, he made me do
it. No.
You're doing it.
If tell if if Hamas built tunnels under
Tel Aviv,
and the exact same scenario, they they they
took hostages
and they were hiding in tunnels
in in a
intricate tunnel system under Tel Aviv.
Not a person in their right mind would
say that would bomb Tel Aviv and do
the same thing to Gaza. They wouldn't flatten
it. Right? They would do surgical, you know,
entries.
The whole thing that the first questions that
came out after October 7th, you know, they
kept saying hostages. Women, hostage, hostage, hostage.
Especially after, like, a couple of months, it
just started becoming, like, so old and repetitive.
And
if they knew where the the hostages were,
why aren't they getting them? If they don't
know where they are, I'm telling you, I
I don't have, you know,
an entire career in SF.
I haven't been there for 20, 30 years,
but I was in a hostage rescue unit.
Bombing the area where your hostages are at
probably isn't the best idea.
I'm just saying. You know? It it
so if it is the hostages that you're
concerned about and and another thing is, shooting
them
probably isn't the best idea either.
Mhmm. You're trying to get them alive, back,
you know, shooting them when they're surrendering
and waving white flags and speaking to you
in Hebrew.
You've seen that also. Yeah. It's very sad.
I wanna thank you again. Thank you for
your humanity. Thank you for speaking out. God
bless you. Thank you. Thanks,
brothers and sisters. This is your brother Hassan
Shibley, and I'm so excited, so grateful to
Allah to be standing right here at the
Deen Center that is being established in Tampa
by brother Eddie from the Deen Show. We
are so excited that he's chosen Tampa to
be this hub and center for dawah, not
just locally, alhamdulillah, where we can host seminars,
programs, dawah activities. There's enough space for a
school, gymnasium,
and a studio that can
reach people globally to share the beauty of
Islam. We're so excited to have this established
here locally in Tampa and I wanna encourage
you all do what you can to help
complete this project and make it a reality
and I invite you all to join me
in supporting the center. May Allah make it
a sadaqa jariyah for all of us to
share the beauty of the deen with all
humanity. Ameen.
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