The Deen Show – UFOs Are THE JINN Will Tucker Carlson confirm – Experts on Aliens Confirming Jinn from the Quran

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The conversation covers various topics related to the "naughty, dark, and dangerous" world, including the "naughty, dark, and dangerous" world, the "phenomenon," a non-urbanized, non-English term used by the Jinn, and the "monster factor" that causes people to feel attached to them. The speakers provide advice on reading the Quran and avoiding disclosing information, as well as providing resources for non-English learners to learn about Islam. They also suggest doing small experiments and avoiding disclosing information.

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			Gin, what we were referred to as
the gin. What happened was that he
		
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			came home one night, went into his
bedroom, and suddenly, these three
		
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			dark, shadowy figures materialized
through his wall into his bedroom.
		
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			They were wearing the hats and the
overcoats. There's enough going on
		
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			in the skies, but not just the
skies underwater that travel at
		
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			insane speeds and go undetected.
In a way, I refer to them as the
		
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			gin, because a gin, you know, in
Arab culture. You know, they're
		
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			sort of like so now they're made
out of quote, unquote fire or UFOs
		
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			are real. We have proof. United
States military has been studying
		
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			them. She's just in a plane and
filming out the window, and they
		
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			had seen this thing, apparently.
And she's trying to film it. And
		
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			it
		
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			shoots by the plane. This is the D
		
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			we have very exciting episode for
you, for those that have watched
		
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			the recent not too long ago,
episode with Joe Rogan and Tucker
		
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			Carlson. Deeper level is
		
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			what. Okay, so if they're
spiritual beings, which I believe
		
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			they are speaking about
		
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			the supernatural, the unseen world
of many call it the UFOs,
		
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			unidentified flying object,
aliens, I have a
		
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			person here who with a team, not
just by himself, but with a team,
		
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			has committed to doing research
and investigating this world that
		
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			Tucker was speaking about with Joe
Rogan books such as passport to
		
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			begonia
		
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			dimensions
		
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			and then we have those creatures
that they didn't identify. We're
		
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			going to be identifying them here
today with my next guest, who's
		
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			written an essay
		
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			called the gin hypotheses, a very
good friend of mine, brother Eddie
		
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			from the Dean show, who I've known
for a number of years. From the
		
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			very beginning, when he started
it, I was among his early guests,
		
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			and Masha Allah, our brother,
Eddie, has been very active in
		
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			promoting dawah, spreading the
message of Islam, and he has now
		
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			taken everything to the next
level. Eddie has now, after a
		
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			number of years on the Dean show,
taking the Dawa efforts to the
		
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			next level, which is that of
establishing a Dawa center for the
		
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			USA, he is about to launch it in
its fullness, but it has already
		
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			started in Florida, and he needs
your support. This is an effort
		
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			which began already some months
back, and they need your support
		
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			for spreading the message of Islam
in the USA. So my brothers and
		
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			sisters reach out to support him.
We need your support now.
		
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			Imran, Hussain, assalamu. Alaikum.
How are you doing? How are you
		
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			very good, bro, you watched this
episode not too long ago where you
		
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			had Joe Rogan along with Tucker
Carlson, and they're describing,
		
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			did you notice they're describing
some creatures? Are they good or
		
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			bad and
		
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			and I think some of them are bad,
yeah, but they didn't give it a
		
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			name, yeah. What is it actually? I
mean, now it's sort of, you have
		
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			to ask, like, what is this? What
did you think about that? Yeah,
		
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			it's very interesting. Tucker
Carlson's approach, from a
		
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			Christian approach, which is to
call it demons and angels. So the
		
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			supernatural, as he's clearly
blatantly referring to as it was
		
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			very interesting, because up until
now, when you hear about the UFO
		
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			topic, or the UFO phenomenon, at
least on the media and the TV,
		
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			which has become very popular. You
know, the government's been coming
		
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			out with staff. There's been
congressional hearings which we
		
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			could talk about, you know, and
all of this is happening. So it's
		
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			interesting to see, because they,
the angle they're taking is most
		
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			likely, it's beings from other
planets, extraterrestrials,
		
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			aliens. Now, you know, Islamically
Sure, there's that possibility.
		
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			You know, the Quran doesn't
directly speak about alien life,
		
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			but there are Ayato verses in the
Quran which allude to life being
		
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			out there in the universe. So it
acknowledges the possibility there
		
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			is that scope within Islam to
acknowledge the existence of alien
		
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			life. So that's not a problem.
However, when you look at what we
		
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			know, what we're witnessing, as
far as this phenomenon is
		
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			concerned, and what's been
discussed and what the
		
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			whistleblowers have said, and what
the government's coming out with,
		
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			and what people have been
experiencing over the centuries,
		
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			as captured in these books by
Jacques valet. You see that they
		
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			when you look at the the aspects
of the phenomenon, you see, well,
		
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			it seems like it's something else.
It seems like it's probably what
		
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			we refer to as the gin. Now, we're
not talking about Ghostbusters
		
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			here, right?
		
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			Hello, Ghostbusters. They're here.
		
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			They catch the ghosts
		
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			because people think they'll put
you in a category like of
		
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			Ghostbusters, yeah. Oh, you've
been watching too much of these
		
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			movies, yes. But what was
fascinating about that interview
		
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			is Tucker's actually he's talking
about.
		
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			What governments have put out
there unclassified. Now that was
		
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			classified, and you actually have
seen and then whistleblowers who
		
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			work for government agencies, so
they're documenting these things,
		
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			and now you're researching this
also. And this is not something
		
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			now that is
		
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			connected to Ghostbusters
somewhere in the desert talking
		
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			about this stuff. I mean, the
government's acknowledging it this
		
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			congressional hearing, hearings on
the congressional serious
		
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			hearings, yep, hearings that
they're having. People what
		
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			testify, yeah, under oath, yeah,
yeah. We had one recently. We had
		
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			David grush, who was one of the
recent whistleblowers to come out
		
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			prior to him, Lou Elizondo, who
hasn't been in a congressional
		
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			hearing yet, but he was one of the
first. But he was one of the first
		
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			whistleblowers to come out. His
book is coming out in the next
		
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			couple of days on the topic, on
the subject, which is going to be
		
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			interesting. Then there was David
fravor, a captain of one of the
		
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			fighter jets in America, who
basically had an encounter
		
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			himself, and described Danny uni
testified to what we saw under
		
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			oath. So we had this serious
congressional hearing. You have
		
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			serious academics, Jacques Vallee.
You know, he's probably the most
		
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			well respected guy in ufology.
These, Dr Jacques Vale, yeah. So
		
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			what are they? They're taught,
what do they name these creatures
		
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			as aliens? What are they? Yeah. So
it's interesting, because with
		
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			Vale, when you look at his
research and you study his work,
		
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			you see, well, he doesn't favor
the the ET hypothesis. He doesn't
		
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			reckon, after all of his et,
right, extraterrestrial, yeah. But
		
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			there's a film, so you got UT. So
they think, oh, that's just a
		
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			classic, yeah, yeah, classic
films. I mean, good films. But
		
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			listen to what we're talking we're
not talking about that now. We're
		
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			not talking about Hollywood. We're
talking about the real deal.
		
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			That's Hollywood. Yes, absolutely.
So this is real. I mean, this
		
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			stuff's been, at least researched
in a very real way. What is this?
		
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			One, passport magone. This is one
of his first books, Dr Jacques
		
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			Vallee and Harry, who is
Jacqueline? Who is he? Jacques
		
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			Vallee was a computer scientist.
It goes way back, you know, 40
		
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			years he's been researching the
subject. He's a PhD. As far as I
		
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			know, a doctor like I said, the
most well respected ufologist. Is
		
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			he coming from a religious
background? I know, a very sort of
		
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			secular, empirical perspective,
yeah, yeah, computer scientists,
		
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			you know. So he's looking at this
in a very objective what triggered
		
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			him to look into this? I think it
was a fascination for him. It was,
		
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			it was an interest to him, you
know. So he looked at, he studied
		
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			it 40 plus years, I think, and his
conclusion is, ultimately, he
		
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			doesn't reckon his
extraterrestrials or aliens from
		
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			another planet. He's not a Muslim.
He's definitely looked into some
		
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			Islamic sources. Definitely looked
into Christian sources, and what
		
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			the Christian tradition has to say
about angels and demons. He
		
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			mentions the jinn in the
introduction of his book
		
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			dimensions. He mentions the word
jinn. Now we're identifying what
		
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			these creatures are, jinn, the
jinn, and this is mentioned in the
		
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			Quran, yes, and detail in the
Islamic sources. So he mentions
		
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			that. He mentions it from his
research there. And you can tell
		
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			he's done his research because
he's looked at the Islamic
		
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			tradition, at least to some
extent. And he, you know, brings
		
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			the idea of jinn into this whole
phenomenon, you know, but it's
		
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			interesting. Tucker Carlson, he
doesn't mention the jinn. He's sat
		
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			with a lot of different people who
are experts. Why are you
		
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			surprised? Because he's coming
from a Christian perspective. One,
		
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			yeah, secondly, he's, obviously,
he's well connected, and he's
		
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			getting information from the
inside, from people. Do you think
		
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			he heard this term Jim before
we're listening, watching us? I
		
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			believe so. I believe he has. I
believe people like Jim Simi van,
		
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			for example, who is an exci agent,
he's got videos online, and he
		
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			clearly, you know, unequivocally,
says that he reckons this
		
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			phenomenon is related to the jinn,
and this is a non Muslim, non
		
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			Muslim,
		
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			yeah, there's video of he's
saying, this is the jinn, in a
		
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			way, I refer to them as a jinn,
because a jinn, you know, in Arab
		
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			culture, you know, they're sort of
like us. They're made out of
		
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			quote, unquote, fire. He's done
his research, and now he's looked
		
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			into the Islamic sources, and
that's what we did with the
		
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			program that we did. We had a
qualified Jinn expert, someone
		
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			who's done series on the jinn, and
then we're listening to Tucker
		
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			Carlson explain and describe what
this is. And then he says, No,
		
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			this is the jinn. He's talking
about the jinn, yeah. And what's
		
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			interesting it is Jim simevan, I
reckon the reason he started to
		
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			research into the jinn was because
of the experiences he himself had.
		
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			He hasn't come out openly with his
full experiences, but he had
		
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			experiences. He had something
attached to him that also affected
		
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			his family in a negative way. Now
this concept of attachments or
		
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			possession is there amongst the
jinn too. We know this. This is
		
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			one of the main things we know
about when we think about the term
		
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			jinn, or the concept of jinn is
attachments and possession. Now
		
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			here we have a non Muslim Xia
agent who has engaged, who's
		
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			interacted with this phenomenon,
and say, has said that he has this
		
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			type of attachment experience with
this phenomenon. There's a place
		
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			in Utah, for example. It's a very
famous place now, Skinwalker
		
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			Ranch. There's a whole new History
Channel documentary on in our
		
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			zone, there's different seasons,
they have spoken about the
		
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			attachment phenomenon, that when
people go the military officials
		
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			have gone onto the ranch, and
they've left with what they call
		
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			an attachment, something that's
affected them afterwards, gone
		
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			home with them, affected their
family members and so on and so
		
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			forth. What ranch? It's called the
Skinwalker Ranch. What does this
		
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			play? It's basically.
		
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			A ranch in Utah, in America. Yeah,
and it's apparently a hotspot for
		
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			UFO and paranormal activity, for
the gin, for what we'll refer to
		
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			as the gin. It's a hot spot for
the gin. Yes, that's, I'm
		
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			convinced it is right, because
the, again, the phenomenon people
		
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			have witnessed there, the previous
owners, current owners, etc. I
		
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			mean, it's, it's linked. I mean,
it's very, for example, creatures
		
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			like dogs, you know, huge dogs
appearing and walking, being dogs
		
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			being shot out with massive guns
and nothing happening to them, and
		
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			then just suddenly the tracks
disappearing and thinner. Weird
		
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			stuff, you know, cows, the cattle
on the ranch is just going crazy,
		
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			being stacked on top of each other
in a little shed, and no one knows
		
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			how they got in there. Weird,
strange things. They're
		
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			documenting this, yeah, they call
it the Trickster element of the
		
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			phenomenon, you know. They call
it, they say there's these. This
		
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			phenomenon has this trickster
element. It plays tricks on you.
		
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			Wow. And we know the jinn play
games with humans. They lie to
		
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			people, deceive people. And
deception is another thing.
		
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			Jacques valet mentions in his
research that this phenomenon
		
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			deceives people, you know, prior
to, for example, I think the 40s,
		
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			you know, these beings, when they
would abduct people, they would
		
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			tell them, we're from Mars and
stuff. And then later on, as
		
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			people researched this and knew
life didn't exist on Mars, then
		
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			they started to change their
story, oh, we're from this
		
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			planetary system, or we were from
here or there, you know. So
		
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			there's deception involved in this
whole phenomenon. Now, it's one
		
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			thing, us talking about it, we
know it. But then again, pointing
		
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			back to Tucker Carlson, and then
him giving the evidence. And then
		
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			he he said, Tucker, that this is
one of the biggest tricks that
		
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			they played on the American
public, is to convince people that
		
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			these are aliens when they're from
other planets, they're not. Can
		
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			you elaborate on that? Yeah, if we
get that cover, bro, that book,
		
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			that mogoni passport to mogoni,
this one, I mean, the cover is
		
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			quite telling his or if you, if
you look at this cover, you've got
		
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			this, this being, and he has these
different masks, yes, right? And I
		
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			think it's very interesting
symbolically, at least, because
		
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			what it shows is that even ballet
reckons that this the same
		
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			phenomenon that's been appearing
to people throughout the
		
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			centuries, but taking on different
guises or different appearances.
		
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			Now, why would it choose to
appear, say the jinn. Why would
		
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			they choose to appear to people
today in the 21st century as
		
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			aliens from other planets? It's a
very interesting question to ask.
		
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			Well, one potential answer is,
think about the psyche of the of
		
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			the 21st century man. How it's
very secular, very atheistic, very
		
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			technological, right? So if you
want to appear to people today and
		
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			get people to submit to you. You
need to appear as a race that's
		
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			far superior to the human beings.
You need to appear in a way that
		
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			will be more readily accepted. And
like we were saying earlier, you
		
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			know, the concept of ET
extraterrestrial life is more
		
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			acceptable than to believe in
spiritual or supernatural beings
		
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			these days. And again, when you
look at, for example, some of
		
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			these. One of the pilots that
testified under oath, not David
		
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			grusch, fraver, Commander fravor.
You know these things, these
		
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			objects that they're seeing, are
running circles around the best
		
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			technology America has, wow,
right? So, I mean, when you run
		
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			circles around the best technology
on this planet, what state is that
		
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			going to leave you? And you're
going to be in awe. You're going
		
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			to be like, Wow, these beings,
whatever they are, they're
		
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			superior to us. So it creates this
sense of submission. And we know
		
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			the jinn throughout history, if
you look at Arabic literature, is
		
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			all that Jinn have appeared to
humans throughout history in the
		
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			form of gods and higher deities
and higher beings, so that they
		
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			would fall into worship to them,
you know? And then this all goes
		
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			back to the origin stories, bro.
You know, when shaitan wanted to
		
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			misguide the progeny of Adam,
right? Because he felt he was
		
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			superior to Adam. I am better than
him, as he says in the Quran, as
		
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			Allah captures, you know, it's
almost like this phenomenon
		
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			continues to show this
symbolically, I am better than
		
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			you. And what better way to sort
of make the 21st century man
		
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			submit to you than to appear in a,
you know, highly technological
		
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			civilizational form that's better
than human beings, you know. Maybe
		
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			that's one answer, you know. But,
and I think it's very interesting,
		
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			because if you look at Valley's
work going back in history, these
		
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			phenomena take took on different
appearances according to the time
		
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			and place, and appeared slightly
more advanced than the technology
		
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			of the time. Now it's not just you
doing this, this research, you got
		
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			a team with Brother Farouk mcdemo.
He's a marshal arriva. Brother
		
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			studied at Medina. He has studied
this far longer than I have. He's
		
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			always studied this over maybe two
decades. So what are you guys not
		
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			now? You're having discussions
around the round table with your
		
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			team, talking about this unseen
world of the gin. Like, what do
		
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			you what are you coming away with?
I can imagine the conversation.
		
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			Yeah. So one of the when we first
started interacting, one of the
		
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			first things we asked or discussed
was, well, do we want to bring
		
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			this out to the public or online?
Do we want to speak about this? Is
		
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			there any benefit in the DAO for
the for this subject? And
		
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			initially we didn't feel it was
the right time, but now that
		
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			there's been congressional
hearings, that there's been
		
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			whistleblowers, that there's
serious academics studying this.
		
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			Dr DW pisoka is another religious
studies professor who studied
		
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			this.
		
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			A decade or so back, you had a
professor from Harvard who was the
		
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			head of psychiatry who did the
whole book called abductions, on
		
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			the abduction phenomenon. You have
a recent paper that's been.
		
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			Published on ResearchGate by three
academics, two from Harvard as
		
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			well, who are talking about this
whole phenomenon. And they
		
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			actually entertained in their
paper, the crypto terrestrial
		
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			hypotheses. And one of those
categories, again, mentioned
		
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			interesting that these are non
Muslims. Are looking at the
		
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			phenomenon, studying it, and they
are seeing parallels, you know. So
		
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			we thought, Now is the time to
speak about this. Because if
		
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			Christians are speaking about
this, Tucker Carlson is coming
		
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			out, giving the Christian
perspective on this. As Muslims,
		
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			we have the answers, you know. And
if you look at the phenomenon, and
		
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			you look at the jinn, and you put
them side by side and compare
		
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			them, you see that there are some
striking similar similarities.
		
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			There's hardly any differences. I
am yet to come across something
		
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			that cannot be explained via the
jinn hypotheses. So in the essay
		
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			that I wrote, it's an introductory
essay, I cover sort of five key
		
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			areas of comparison between the
jinn and the UFO phenomenon, and
		
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			to see the parallels between them,
and they're quite a bit evident. I
		
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			mean, like you guys were
discussing on the previous show,
		
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			Marshall, it's very it's evidence
right there in front of you. You
		
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			can see the links. Tell me when
you look into some of these
		
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			hearings and you're watching the
in front of Congress, is it
		
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			they're testifying? Yeah, you know
what? What are some stories that
		
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			stuck out, that are just mind
blowing? You talk about this
		
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			attachment and going to decision,
so they don't mention the
		
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			attachment in the congressional
hearings. It was very specific to
		
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			do with what they had heard from
inside sources and what had, if
		
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			they had, you know, this claim
that they had crushed craft and
		
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			all of this type of stuff right
now, one thing to mention is, just
		
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			because Congress or the US
government is speaking about this,
		
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			that's not the reason we're
speaking about that's not the
		
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			primary reason. The reason is,
well, this has been happening
		
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			throughout history. We studied the
literature on this. Every culture,
		
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			every civilization, has spoken
about beings, these supernatural
		
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			beings who are not divine, but
there's somewhere in the middle
		
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			between man and God and that they
have, you know, affected people
		
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			and human beings. So this
phenomenon has been expected or
		
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			experienced cross culturally, you
know, throughout the generation.
		
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			So there's not something new. And
especially when we saw the
		
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			interest in this subject by the
non Muslim community out there,
		
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			you know, who have not only heard
this online or on the media, but
		
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			have had experiences themselves.
Many people have had these
		
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			experiences. They don't believe in
God, but they have these
		
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			experiences. You know, it's an
opportunity for us to show them
		
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			what Islam has to say, and for
them to therefore, hopefully come
		
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			closer to Islam and discover the
truth of Islam. Do you feel
		
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			because you mentioned some books,
these other books here. These are
		
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			now books from Muslim authors. If
somebody's out there and they're
		
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			fat, because so many people, I
forgot what was the exact number,
		
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			but it was like a very high
percentage, 50 or more percent,
		
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			that you have Americans who
believe in life on other planet
		
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			and aliens, basically. So people,
there's a fascination with this
		
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			topic. I mean, you have this Dr
Abu Asmaa, Bilal Phillips, yes.
		
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			This is a translation of Ibn
taymiyya essays, or the jinn. And
		
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			this is a phenomenal book to read,
by the way, because once, if
		
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			you're a non Muslim, I mean, if,
even if you're a non Muslim, yeah,
		
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			and for Muslims as well,
especially because what this does
		
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			is it broadens your horizons of
what the Jinnah. Because when we
		
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			think about identity, what comes
to mind, we think of possession.
		
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			Yes, we think of fear. That's
pretty much it. When you realize
		
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			that the jinn could take on
different forms, that they can,
		
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			you know, they could travel in
different ways. They can do
		
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			manifest in different ways, affect
people in different ways. When you
		
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			learn about the world of the
Jinnah, which is this book, you
		
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			know, World of the jinn and the
devils, yes, and by the way, the
		
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			sheik in this book, he dedicates
four pages to the link between
		
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			jinn and UFOs in that book. And
how does he make that link? He
		
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			just says he, according to his
research of the UFO phenomenon,
		
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			that he thinks it's the jinn, it's
the jinn. Okay, so he said, so
		
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			it's not something I'm coming up
with, or brother Faruq, or just
		
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			something. So it's not UFO, it's
the jinn, but the UFO phenomenon
		
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			is now what they're attributing it
to, unidentified flying. It's
		
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			unidentified, but we're
identifying it now as the Gen
		
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			Yeah, absolutely. And now there
may be questions people have,
		
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			well, these are craft flying
through the air. You know? How do
		
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			you explain exactly? So these are
what called the loose ends, right?
		
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			Or the supposed loose ends. Now,
the first thing to understand is
		
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			that it's not just craft flying,
flying through the air. When we
		
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			talk about the UFO phenomenon,
some of the stuff we discussed,
		
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			like the attachment stuff, the
deception stuff, the abduction
		
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			stuff, there's a lot more to it
right now, when it comes to craft
		
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			flying through the air, there's
some ways you could explain this
		
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			one. Jinn could have their own
technology, right? And I know it's
		
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			going to sound crazy, but we know
Allah refers to them, the Quran,
		
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			as builders and divers. And Allah
specifically referred to the jinn
		
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			here as builders and divers. Now
that's interesting. If they're
		
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			builders, then they build things.
We know they were build things for
		
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			Sulaiman, you know, in the past.
So they can build things. If you
		
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			look at the historical records,
the Arab records, you see that the
		
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			stories of the jinn making things.
So for example, in there's a very
		
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			good book called The intelligent
world of the jinn. It's an
		
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			academic piece, but it was very
interesting. The author mentions a
		
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			story in there that the jinn would
make swords, but they were not
		
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			like human swords. They were far
better than human swords, and they
		
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			had special powers, and they could
do certain things, etc. So this
		
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			was an interesting example,
because.
		
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			Shows, once again, Jin trying to
outdo the technology of human
		
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			beings, and succeeding in that. So
if they can outdo the technology
		
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			of human beings, as far as swords
are concerned in history, well,
		
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			now we have fighter jets. So they
could just make these, quote,
		
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			unquote, UFOs, these craft that
can outmaneuver and outdo the best
		
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			technology, as far as fighter
technology is concerned today. And
		
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			it's possible for them, because
they are builders. They can build
		
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			things. You know, we have examples
of this. So it could be possible
		
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			that these craft are just crafts
that the jinn had built, and they
		
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			are controlling somehow. Again,
the rest of the speculation, Allah
		
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			knows best how that works, but
it's a possibility. It's not that.
		
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			It's an impossibility. Secondly,
we know that sometimes there's
		
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			counts of these craft appearing
and just suddenly dematerializing
		
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			and disappearing. A lot of times,
people don't see material craft.
		
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			They see balls of light, orbs, you
know, floating through the air. So
		
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			these could just be Jinn
themselves, just taking on
		
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			different forms, inanimate forms,
for example, you know, again, is
		
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			that maybe that's a possibility.
Just like they can take on forms
		
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			of human beings or animals, they
could potentially take on the
		
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			forms of inanimate things,
		
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			Sheik al Islam Ibn Taymiyyah, he
mentioned some examples in his
		
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			books, as well, of certain Sufi
sheikhs appearing to the disciples
		
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			in the middle of nowhere and
helping them out and then
		
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			disappearing, you know, jinns
speaking through birds, you know,
		
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			and all of these. So they can do
there's all of these stories about
		
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			them. So I guess those are two
ways of to sort of square that
		
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			circle, if you like, and just
couple more questions. He
		
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			mentioned in this interview that
he describes them in the ocean, in
		
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			the air, traveling at such fast
speeds, when we connect that to
		
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			the Islamic sources, what we have,
yeah, does that connect 100% two,
		
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			two narrations come to mind. So in
the Quran. There's the verse I
		
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			just mentioned, which is that
Allah refers to them as builders
		
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			and divers, right? So they do
divers is an attribute that
		
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			subscribe to them. The link to the
water. We know there are
		
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			narrations where the throne of
shaytaan is over the water. I
		
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			thought about that, yeah. So
there's the other that's another
		
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			link.
		
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			You know, there's something else
coming to mind. It's just gone
		
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			now, but there are several links
late. So when you watch that
		
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			interview where you just like now
and your team and you, you wrote
		
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			this essay, the gin hypotheses you
you've been studying this for
		
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			years, when you watch this
interview with Tucker Carlson,
		
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			were you like at the end, just
like this gin expert I had on,
		
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			yes. Who made the series? Did you
say this is the jinn 100% 90 900%
		
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			I am currently, and I'm I'm open
to changing my mind if I have
		
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			other evidence. So for me, what
will change my belief on this is
		
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			if I could see something about the
phenomenon, the UFO phenomenon,
		
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			which cannot be explained via the
jinn, and currently I haven't come
		
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			across anything. Yeah. So
therefore, for me, that hypothesis
		
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			holds, right? And although, like I
said, Islamically, sure, there's a
		
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			possibility we can accept that
there's extraterrestrial life, but
		
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			I think if you look at what's
going on, this is the best
		
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			explanation. I think me as a
layman in the topic, just from
		
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			what I know identified as a jinn.
And I think most Muslims, 100% who
		
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			also know Islam, and
		
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			the little that we know, we
identify this the gin is not hard
		
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			to connect. No, no, I will. And
the narration, sorry, it's just
		
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			come to mind with the process. And
I'm saying that the Jinn of three
		
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			kinds, you know, those that appear
as dogs and snakes, meaning, take
		
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			on physical forms, those that fly
through the air, yes, and those
		
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			that come and go. So fly through
the air. I mean, what UAP and UFOs
		
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			do? They're flying through the air
at fast, rapid speeds. You know,
		
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			we know the story of the throne,
when Suleiman Islam asked for the
		
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			throne to be bull and the Kareem,
you know, the jinn boy within the
		
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			blink of an eye. Yeah. So they
have certain abilities and
		
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			capabilities that we don't have,
that we're seeing being displayed
		
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			by these UFOs today. All right, so
as we conclude now, two two
		
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			messages now for we'll start with
the Not Yet Muslims and non
		
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			Muslims. Come to the Muslims what
I was thinking and tell me for
		
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			them. Now, can you see this as a
way for them? Now, okay, reading
		
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			these books and coming closer to
even, what advice would you give
		
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			them to look into not just this,
but Islam? Because, all right, we
		
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			have other descriptions of unseen
things. If Islam is right on so
		
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			many things, you know development.
You know when we have the human
		
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			embryo, for instance, you know the
mountains actually stabilize, and
		
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			other other things that are there
in the in the Quran, that it's
		
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			unfathomable that you have a man
who cannot read or write, Prophet
		
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			Muhammad, peace and blessings.
He's He's just coming up and
		
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			guessing all of these things. It's
not really a guess, right? Yeah,
		
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			it's too much. Then you have the
Hellfire paradise. But over here
		
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			now we have this for the for the
alien lovers and what? Yeah, so
		
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			now he's talking about this unseen
world of the jinn, but then we
		
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			have the unseen world of the
Hellfire that's coming paradise
		
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			that should be even taken more
serious, yeah. So connecting it
		
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			all. What advice would you give?
Yeah, I mean, two pieces of
		
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			advice. One, I would say, is read
the Quran and see what the Quran
		
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			says about the jinn. There's an
entire chapter dedicated to the
		
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			jinn beyond that chapter, Allah,
God addresses the jinn throughout
		
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			the Quran.
		
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			Surah Rahman, for example, men and
jinn are both addressed. Their
		
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			purpose is the same as.
		
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			Which is to worship God. So that's
what we were created. Whether we
		
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			do this or not, that's a different
question. So read the Quran and
		
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			see what the Quran says about the
jinn. The second thing I would say
		
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			is, and I know there's many people
out there that have experiences,
		
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			phenomenal experiences, with
certain beings or creatures or
		
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			weird paranormal experiences,
right? I would say, do little
		
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			experiments for yourself. Play the
Quran in your house. Because we
		
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			know playing the Quran, especially
the second chapter of the Quran,
		
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			Baqarah, is profound. It has a
powerful effect when people do
		
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			Rukia, which is the removal of
jinn from a person that's attached
		
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			to a person, it's reciting Quran
upon them. Do a little experiment.
		
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			If you're having issues with this
stuff, you're experiencing this
		
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			stuff. Play the Quran. Play the
Quran and see how that what
		
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			impact. So do that physical
experiment for you. Go find it
		
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			online, the Quran. Just type the
Quran on YouTube. Yeah, yeah. 100%
		
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			try it. Play it and see if that
makes a difference in your life.
		
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			See the activity cuts down and
disappears. You know, that would
		
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			be proof for yourself right by
staring you right in the face, you
		
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			know. So that's why I would advise
non Muslims to do it. And at the
		
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			very least, even if you don't
believe in God, when you read the
		
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			Quran, you'll find a very powerful
angle to this whole topic. You
		
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			know, because scientists are
starting to research this now look
		
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			into this, and they're scratching
their head, and they don't know
		
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			what's going on, yeah, because we
know there are maybe elements they
		
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			could study, but there are certain
aspects of this phenomenon which
		
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			are beyond the physical. They're
not gonna be able to understand it
		
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			completely. So you have to take a
multidisciplinary approach to the
		
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			subject, you know, you have to
look at the science, you have to
		
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			look at the philosophy, you have
to look at, you know,
		
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			anthropology. You have to look at
religion as well. You know, don't
		
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			just dismiss religion. Look at
what religion has to say and look
		
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			at what Islam has to say in
specific, particular so that's for
		
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			the non Muslims. That's what I
would say. Look into Islam. And
		
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			now closing for the for the
Muslims. Now you have the Quran,
		
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			the Sunnah, I can't imagine now.
And you have, you have so many.
		
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			This is another thing that just
mind blowing, along with the
		
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			living miracle the Quran. Then you
study the life of Prop Muhammad,
		
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			peace and blessings be upon him.
And then you have, let's say, a
		
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			book like fortress of the Muslim,
yes. And you have so many, what we
		
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			call supplications, dua, yes, for
protection, against attachment,
		
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			possession, right to be protected.
Your eth God, right? So what would
		
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			you say to the Muslims to take
this more serious? Yeah, so few
		
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			pieces of advice for the Muslims,
because I know sometimes we have
		
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			the tendency of going down these
rabbit holes with these subjects
		
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			and topics, right? So I wouldn't
recommend anyone to do too much of
		
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			a deep dive into dive into this
topic. The reason we're discussing
		
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			this and sharing this because it's
public now everyone's talking
		
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			about this. We need to show them
what Islam has to say in regards
		
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			to this topic, right? At least one
perspective. So don't go too far
		
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			down this rabbit hole, right? It's
not going to benefit you too in
		
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			any way. Secondly, yes, you have
to protect yourself, because
		
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			shaitan is there. Was was there,
right? He is continuously
		
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			affecting us. We have a Kareem
that's attached to us, you know,
		
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			that's attached to us from the
very beginning. Every single one
		
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			of us has that that wants to
misguide us and take us away from
		
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			the straight path. So we have to
protect ourselves through athkar,
		
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			like you mentioned, get the
fortress of the Muslim. Read
		
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			AYATUL kursi, you know, recite
that regularly, especially when
		
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			you sleep at night, the colds,
three goals. Recite those, protect
		
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			yourself, because you don't even
realize how much we're being
		
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			affected by shaitan on a daily,
hourly basis, every single day,
		
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			you know. So it's important to
protect ourselves from this
		
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			perspective. And thirdly, third
thing I'll say is, if and when,
		
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			quote, unquote disclosure happens,
say the government comes out and
		
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			says, Yes, you know, there's life
out there. I want Muslims to know,
		
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			look, because, you know, there's
some people throwing this thing
		
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			out there. Oh, what is this going
to mean for world religions? If
		
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			alien life is discovered, or these
other beings are discovered, is it
		
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			going to crumble people's faith?
Well, not for Islam, not for
		
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			Muslims, because we only have one
explanation. We have two
		
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			explanations. We have the jinn
explanation as a potential
		
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			explanation. And yes, Islam allows
for the concept of beings on other
		
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			planets that Allah has created.
Allah has created and scattered
		
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			throughout the heavens and the
earth. So either way, whatever
		
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			they say, you know, whether they
say it's aliens or they say it's
		
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			another being that's been living
here, we have an explanation. We
		
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			don't need to worry. It shouldn't
shake anyone's faith in any way,
		
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			shape or form. You know, it's
just, it's what's if anything is
		
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			profound, that Islam has the
answers even to this mystery that
		
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			we're facing today, absolutely.
And where can people read this
		
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			essay that you've done on the jinn
Yeah, so this is on the Sapiens
		
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			Institute website. If you just
type in Sapiens Institute Jinn
		
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			hypotheses on Google, it should
come up. But where you can go to
		
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			the sapienstitute.org website and
you can read the essay there. So
		
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			that's probably the best source
that's currently there. But we
		
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			have also a website that we've
started, iREP dot world. So I R,
		
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			E, P, Islamic research into exotic
phenomena. Dot world. So that's
		
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			just a startup right now. We're
just trying to put something out
		
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			there for people, Muslims and non
Muslims that had experiences that
		
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			can't contextualize them within
come and learn about Islam and
		
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			hopefully find answers as well.
Isn't that what that remind me
		
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			that lovely brother, sapiens.
Hamza sources, yes, give him my
		
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			love, yeah, mashallah, yeah, he
misses you, bro, yes, mashallah,
		
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			I'll definitely give me Islam. All
right. Thank you for sharing. May
		
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			Allah, bless you. Islam. You too.
Welcome. Saram Kat.