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small Al Hamdulillah Salaam Alaikum. Peace be with you. I'm your host, you are watching The Daily Show. Thank you for coming back for another great episode we got Dr. Lawrence Brown. It's exciting, exciting. He's back with us again. We had to get someone who is well versed in Christianity to talk about the next topic. We don't want to offend nobody. We really want the best for our brothers in humanity. Some people are confused. And we want to clear the confusion. And now Dr. Brown who was an atheist, you can go to the deen, show calm. He has his own private section there to hear his story. He was an atheist. He was trying very hard to be a Christian. The whole doctrine of the Trinity, and
many of the other tenants of Christianity didn't make sense. And he ended up coming to Islam, Islam the same way of life of Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Noah, that complete and total adherence to God's laws that complete
submission and surrender to the One God alone and not his creation. Somebody come back, we're going to be clearing up confusion about the Trinity. The Trinity is going to be given us the top 10 reasons why the Trinity is not valid. We come back here in addition, don't go nowhere. This is the theme.
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Salam Alaikum Peace be with you. While I can smile. How are you? How are you? Dr. Brown? Yeah. Alhamdulillah. All Praise be to Allah. It's a pleasure to have you back with us here at the deen show. And I got to just describe a little bit about our past, we have your conversion story. We've done some shows with you in the past and you have at the deen show.com your own private section so people can read a little bit more about you get to know who you are watch some of the other videos. But in this week's show, we're going to be talking about the Trinity. You have a DD doctor and Divinity PhD in religious studies. And you're very well verse some will consider you a Christian
scholar. So we want to talk to the experts. And there's some a lot of confusion about this Trinity. So we know that the Quran says that this is something that Jesus or none of the messengers never taught. The consistent message that God has always declare through our time that he is only one undividable not three and one, one and three, just one. And we believe Jesus taught the same teaching, but there's some confusion about the Trinity. So you're gonna be giving us today the top 10 reasons why the Trinity is not valid. I don't want to waste their time, your time to just get right to it. The top 10 please begin. Okay.
Number 10. The word fidelity is nowhere to be found in the Bible.
Now, the word Trinity is not as important as finding the actual doctrine. So number nine, so you just jumped you just it's down. 10 is done when? Time. High. Let's take it. Let's take it to number 910 is done. You don't find the word Trinity anywhere. And that was simple. That was easy. Okay. But as I said, the word is not as important as the doctrine. So the question is, do we find the doctrine in the Bible, we go into nine then number nine, Harper Collins Encyclopedia of the Bible states, quote, the doctrine of the Trinity as such, is not revealed in either the Old Testament, or the New Testament HarperCollins Encyclopedia of the Bible telling us what telling us I'll say it again,
quote, the doctrine of the Trinity as such is not revealed in either the Old Testament or the New Testament.
You know, we almost don't need to do the rest of this program because that pretty much says it right there. But let's continue. So we were moving on to eight now we're gonna move quickly. This is eight was okay, we got a duffel or to drop the Duff. Let's go number eight. We'll we'll just keep moving through these. The point then is, well, if the doctrine is not revealed in the Bible, where did it come from?
The doctrine of the Trinity started with Tertullian and 220. c, what does that tell us? That tells us that the the doctrine of the Trinity was dreamed up by Tertullian, who was Tertullian. He was a lawyer in Carthage around 200 years.
After the mission of Jesus Christ. So this was not a doctrine that was written into the Bible. This was a doctrine that was derived by a lawyer. And we all know how much we trust lawyers. Sorry, but I gotta throw that one in, because I'd love to see what was in his fine print. But the bottom line is 200 years after the mission of Jesus Christ, that is one to 2 million came up with the concept of the Trinity.
Take it step number seven. So we already went from 10 987 Take it away, Dr. Lawrence bra seven. Where did it go from there Tertullian came up with the concept in the year 220. And see, where did it go from there? Talk to Christian scholars, they will tell you the Trinity is an evolved doctrine, meaning that it was not a reveal the doctrine It was a doctrine that evolved in the minds of the theologians who developed it. Council of Nicea in 325, developed it further Council of Constantinople, and 381 ratified it and it became authoritative at the Council of Charleston and 451. So what are we saying? We're saying, over 400 years, after the time of Jesus Christ, was how
many years over 400 400 years of childhood and was in 451. So what are we saying? We're saying that over 400 years after the time of Jesus Christ, this is when the, the doctrine of the Trinity became authoritative, at the Council of Charleston. That leads us to number six. So you're talking about now we went from 10, we're moving on to six, and all these things. This is not something that came with the first met Adam, or the Prophet Moses, Noah, this is evolving, you're taking my 400 years after Jesus left the scene. This didn't come with any of the profits. This came from the mind of a lawyer over 200 years after the mission of Jesus Christ. It evolved over another 200 years after
that, it was ratified into the Christian canon at the Council of Chelsea men for 51. or excuse me, actually ratified at the Council of Constantinople in 381. And then became authoritative at the Council of shell. All right, so we're moving on to to number one, now, this is number number six, number six.
Number six, take it away. Please, everybody knows Hans Cole, the leading theologian of the Roman Catholic Church, and, and he, in commenting, talking about throughout the New Testament, quote, there is no doctrine of one God in three persons, quote, modes of being no doctrine of a triune, God, a trinity. These are the words of hands calm, okay, if we don't trust him, with regard to Catholic or Christian doctrine, I don't know who we can trust because he is one of the most authoritative voices on on Catholic and Christian doctrine. You want to hear it again,
goes like this. There is no doctrine of one God in three persons modes of being no doctrine of Triune God, a trinity, as he's talking about inside the new test mind.
I mean, it's mind boggling the Trinity, but this is mind blowing, that you're making it so easy to understand. And all we ask that people out there they have an open heart and open mind and just, you know, the truth shall set you free. Can we move on to number five? Number five,
take it away, Harper's Bible Dictionary. Harper's Bible Dictionary says, quote, the formal doctrine of the Trinity, the formal doctrine of the Trinity, as it was defined by the great church councils of the fourth and fifth centuries, is not to be found in the New Testament, not to be found not to be found. The formal doctrine of the Trinity, as it was defined by the great church councils of the fourth and fifth centuries, is not to be found in the New Testament. And that's number five. That's Harper's Bible Dictionary wasn't with the first man Adam, with none of the prophets. And after the Jesus left the scene, 400 years later, you mentioned some attorney. Now we know how attorneys work
Tertullian Yeah, we're gonna take a break. And we're going to come back for number four of the top 10 reasons why the Trinity was never the teachings of any of the prophets, and it's not valid right back.
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Back here on the deen show, we don't waste your time we don't even waste nobody's time we're given the facts, not to fiction. And let's continue on with number four of the top 10 reasons why Jesus peace be upon never taught the Trinity and his Trinity is not valid. Talk to us.
Okay, we just talked from Harper's Bible Dictionary, let's go to number four and even more authoritative source, the new Catholic Encyclopedia, quote, the formula itself does not reflect the immediate consciousness of the period of origins.
What does that mean? We're talking about periods of period of origins, in other words, during the time at the mission of Jesus Christ, and the recording of the manuscripts that, that form the foundation of the Bible, and the new Catholic Encyclopedia says, quote, the formula itself, referring to the Trinity does not reflect does not reflect the immediate consciousness of the period of origins. Now, you can you can even read further elsewhere in the new Catholic Encyclopedia it states, quote, among the Apostolic fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective, nothing. That's a very strong statement for a Catholic reference work to
make that among the Apostolic fathers. Okay, the ones from which the religion, you know, was passed on to, to future generations, among the Apostolic fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective. That's number four, the new Catholic Encyclopedia refuting the Christian doctrine, the Catholic doctrine of the Trinity, we're moving on to number three I'm going to dig into, and I'm going to ask you some very serious questions. But I want to get through these so we don't waste no more time. Let's go into number three. Number three,
the first commandment, first commandment not to place any partners beside God, that God is one God. And that jumps to number two, I want to go quickly, we just went from three, we're going to number two, wasting no time with the Lord. Right. Let's go to number two. Why does it jump to number two? Because number two is the words of Jesus Christ, three places in the Bible, Jesus Christ is quoted as having said, Here, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. He doesn't he doesn't add any modification. He doesn't add any explanation, if ever there were replaced to explain the Trinity, that would have been it. If you ask any Christian to explain the essence of God, they'll say, Well,
God is one but he's three. He's three, and one and delta. And they will try to explain, if they explain it that way. Why didn't Jesus Christ Why did Jesus Christ say, hero, Israel, the Lord, our God, the Lord is one period full stop, nothing more. Because there is nothing more, nothing more. If, if he had if he had wanted to explain, that would have been the perfect spot. He didn't say it once. He said it three times, or at least it's recorded three times, Mark 1229, Matthew 2237, and Luke 1027. look them up, you'll find that he's not only saying this, but he's saying that is the greatest commandment. So that's number two. Now, before we go to number one, people are just going
to have to wait, I want to ask you. Now you went from being an atheist? You didn't that means you didn't believe in God. Right? And you said you were trying very, very hard to be a Christian. Now, is it because of this and these things? this confusion here that you weren't able to truly be a Christian? Yeah. And you know, I think I think a lot of people out there understand because a lot of people they want to believe they believe they have a core belief. They believe in God, they believe in the chain of prophethood. They believe that there were books of Revelation, but they identify it and they identify the same thing that we are talking about here. They identify in consistencies.
They identify contradictions, they identify division between what the scripture says and what the Church says about the Scripture. They recognize inconsistency between what Jesus Christ said about himself and what other people say about Jesus Christ. They they recognize that
we are you know, we are defining in Islam, we are defining
The problems in the Christian canon where that contradicts the Christian scripture, just hold up, we're gonna get to number one, just just hold on one second. But if someone says, you know, he didn't have the Holy Ghost in them, he wasn't full of the Spirit. Is that what
you mean? Like me? You're saying, You're saying, okay, I can't understand because I don't have the Holy Spirit. Yeah. What do you gotta say about this? You know, I mean, how can you fight an argument like that? I mean it. To me, it is such a nonsensical argument. Why is it nonsensical because you have all of these people walking around claiming to have the Holy Spirit inside them? Who told them that they have the Holy Spirit inside them? A man,
somebody in their congregation, a priest, a pastor, a minister, or whatever, has told them, you have the Holy Spirit inside you okay? But why do you trust this man for telling you that?
You know, is he a prophet? Is, is he does he have some special connection to God that allows him to tell people that they have the Holy Spirit inside them?
You know, take the evidence I present and you weigh it for yourself. It's not gonna you know, it's not for me that anybody is going to come to the religion of truth. It's for you. Okay, I'm not asking for your money like a televangelist. I'm not saying, you know, send send your bucks to the deen show.com. You know, I'm not I'm not asking for your money. I'm not asking for your prayers. I'm not asking what am I asking for?
All right, you weigh the evidence, you decide for yourself. This is about this is about your life, your righteousness, your hereafter. That's all. That's all comes down to Are you ready for number one? I'm ready for number one, can we get a deferral?
Go ahead. Number one.
The reason why we should not believe in the Trinity is because when we completely analyze the Bible, there is no evidence to support the Trinity in the first place. None whatsoever, no evidence whatsoever. Now, that's a strong statement. Let me give you some examples. If you go to a Christian and you ask them, what's your primary evidence for the existence of the Trinity, the first thing that they're going to trot out is they're going to say the first epistle of john, chapter five, verses seven through eight, where it is said for there are three who bear witness in heaven, the father of the word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one, and these three are one. Okay? And
they will even say it to you that way. Eddie, these three are one, that's how they're gonna say it.
Well, that's how they say it. How did the scholar say?
The fact of the matter is that scholars recognize that the first epistle of john, chapter five, verses seven through eight, is an insertion. It does not exist. In any of the ancient manuscripts, it was written into the margin by a scribe, who in the process of copying the manuscripts, wrote it in as a personal insertion.
Somebody liked it, they took it from the margin, they transported it into the text. You can't do that. If that's the word of God, you can't play with the Word of God. And it's not the word of God. Well, you can play with the Word of God, but it's not going to take you in the right direction. I'm just saying, This is what happened. Yeah. Okay. We all know people have played with the Word of God, they've taken out things that they didn't like they've put in things that they did, like they have manipulated at fashion that molded it to be what they want it to be. Everybody out there knows that there are unrighteous people who have grabbed ahold of religion to to take them closer to their
worldly desires. Okay. And this is one primary example of that. The the number one evidence that people hold up as an evidence for the Trinity is one, john four specific john five, seven through eight. Okay. And scholars now recognize that that is an insertion that was added in, that was added. That's a very bold statement. Now, can you back up what you're saying? You said Christian scholars have also attested to what you're saying, Can you back this up? Sure. And I mean, let me just ask the people out there you know, who, who is not sick of hearing people say things about religion, and they cannot support their assertions. We're all sick of that. So here comes the interpreter's Bible.
Look up the look up the first epistle of john five, seven through eight. They say these verses are to be rejected by Dr. Schofield, along with eight doctors of divinity in his reference Bible states that this verse has no manuscript authority, and it was inserted. Professor Bruce Metzger states with regard to this passage that the words are spurious and do not belong in the New Testament. Kurt and Barbara Barbara
Bharti ermine, many others have recognized that what is called the johannine, comma, which means these verses are illegitimate. Now, is it just individuals who recognize it? No. is economic ecumenical groups of scholars who have who have recognized it as well? How do we know that? Because read the new,
Revised Standard Version of the Bible read the Revised Standard Version of the Bible, the ni v, the good news, the new English, the Jerusalem, dar B's, New American Standard Bible, all of these Bibles have removed or modified the passage, so it no longer reads these three or one, go to the most authoritative Bibles of our time, the New Revised Standard Version of the New International Version, and you will find that the first epistle of john five, seven through eight, allegedly supporting the proposed Trinity has been modified or removed. But let's hold it right there. And we're gonna wrap it up when we come back. Here in addition, I sologne, Dios, otherwise solo e nasukawa.
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Back here on the deen show with Dr. Lawrence Brown, we're giving you facts, not fiction, backed up with evidence after evidence. We're giving the top 10 reasons why Jesus peace be upon him. He didn't teach the Trinity, nor did any of the prophets. And this is not valid. So we shouldn't believe in it. We shouldn't practice it. And we're going to go on and continue on you're finishing out wrapping up number one, please go ahead. Okay. Number one, what we're talking about is the fact that there is no evidence in the Bible to support the doctrine of the Trinity. We've just refuted one john five, seven through eight. The next evidence if there's any other evidence that anybody holds up, it's
Matthew 2819 2819, is the verse in which the disciples are commanded to go out and baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. What is the problem with this verse? The problem with this verse is Mark 1615, describes the exact same circumstance, but it is the disciples to go out and baptize in the name of Jesus Christ. So which one of these verses are we going to take? Do we recognize that there's a contradiction between the two? Most certainly, how do we resolve that we look at the example of what the disciples actually did, which was that they went out and they baptized in the name of Jesus. So we have to either, you know, we have to assume that either they
didn't do as they were told, which doesn't make sense, or if they were doing as they were told, the formula to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit was, was not valid. In any case, even if those words were true, including those three words, three entities in one in one line does not make them co equal co eternal cons substantial. Moving on john 14, nine, Jesus Christ is quoted as having said, he has seen me has seen the Father. A lot of people say, Oh, that's it, he has seen me has seen the Father saw Jesus Christ. You've seen the Father was the problem with that. problem with that is john 537. Because on john 537, Jesus says, You have neither heard his voice at
any time or seen his form. Jesus Christ is standing in front of their faces, and telling them with his own words, you have neither heard his voice and they are hearing his voice. And he's saying you've never neither heard his voice, nor seen his form, and they're looking directly at him. Okay, what does that tell you? If he's saying, you're hearing my voice, you're seeing my form, but I'm telling you, you haven't seen God's form and you haven't heard his voice. It's clear that we're not talking about the same entity. Some people jump in and they say, john 1030, john 1030, I and the Father are one.
Okay. What happens after john 30? After john 30, the Jews accuse Jesus Christ of making himself a god and they prepare to stone and does Jesus Christ stand up with the omnipotence of divine authority and say, you heard me right, I said it once and I said it. I'll say it again. No. He goes on to explain to him to the to the Jews that they heard him wrong. And he cites Psalm 82 six. We also know from Psalm 82 one that we find in the Psalms that it says that those to whom the scripture has come, the revelation has come shall be called
Sons of God and in 82, one that the judges are actually called God's not sons of God, but actually called gods. And he points out what we have pointed out before that this is metaphorical language. And if that doesn't convince you the last point, I in the Father are One, john 1030 I in the father and one. So what? So what is john 1711 and john 1721, where Jesus Christ talks about how all of the disciples are one, and how they're all one in Jesus and God. Okay, so it's no longer a trinity. It's Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, God, all of the disciples, all of the believers all in one. So you can't, you can't have it both ways. You can't accept this metaphorical language as literal in one
passage, and then not as literal and another, far, far more credible to recognize that you cannot accept these passages as literal, there was a lot of information, I'm sure you could expound on this for hours and hours, have you condensed it, you made it simple and easy to understand. I feel that if someone's sincere, they open hearted, you know, open minded that you know, this is going to continue to make sense and they're going to continue their quest, and hopefully, they're going to come to the same realization that you came to, and many others 1.5 billion that, you know, Jesus, indeed, was a mighty messenger of God, and you call people to the oneness of God, the same way all
the other messengers did, including the last and fundamental problem on peace be upon, but if those people who are out there who who want to get more into this topic with you, and they want to question some of the things that you have gone over with us today, how can they get a hold of you, and also maybe to read some of your books.
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through amazon.com, but the first place to start would be my website's level truth.com and eight scroll.com. That's where people can find you. Yeah, level truth, two words, level truth.com. no space in between no underscore anything like that. Eight scroll also two words, just eight and scroll.com. Anyone want to have a healthy dialogue with you? That's where you're at, click the Contact Us button, it comes directly to me. Thank you. Okay. Thank you very much. My pleasure. And there you have it. Those are the top 10 reasons why Jesus peace be upon him. never taught the Trinity the Trinity is not valid. And this was not a teaching of any of the messages of God. This is
a very important topic because we're all going to die. And we're going to have to be, and we're going to be accountable in front of the one guy. And he has, never, ever, never, sanction legislated any of his messengers to teach preach anything but pure monotheism. And it's what we're calling you to. This is what Islam caused you to surrender and to submit to the One God purely worshipping Him alone, and not what he created. And it's interesting to know before we leave that this word Trinity is not in the Bible, but it's in the Quran, the verbatim Word of God and it says, Don't say Trinity, you'll be better for you. Your God is one God, worship Him alone, and not his creation. If you like
what we had to say, continue to come back here to the deen show. We hope that you enjoyed this week's show. We look forward to having you back with us again next time. Till then peace be unto you. I am not afraid.
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