The Deen Show – Reaction- Dan Bilzerian on God, Religion the QURAN
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With a certain Dan bazarian followed my friends died over
there, like, you know, and I just look at what they provide us with,
and it's, it's not nothing. It's like a negative, even the Western
value and all this kind of you were party guard before, yeah,
Muslims in there, you know, pretty
morally sound for the most part. So you consider being Muslim. I
don't know about the religion. I think I'm probably read the prawn.
So we were there. I used to go clubbing in that Nestle square,
very square every weekend. Some people might wonder, what? What
does 33 that's the age.
Salaam, I'm here with two esteemed guests, and we're in London.
Alhamdulillah, we're united here. Salaam, how you doing? How you
doing, how you doing, how you been. We're in your backyard now,
two from the States. Here in London, we're gonna come to you.
You came to us. Alhamdulillah.
So tell us, you know what I like? I want the audience also to see I
like this jersey over here. Yeah, some people might wonder what,
what does 33 that's the age of Jesus, yes, the son of Mary. What
inspired you to get this jersey? This is actually not my brand or
anything. Yeah, some brothers called Team Islam, when they made
it, and they made it, especially for dawah. So when we go out and
call people towards Allah, and we talk about how we love Jesus, how
we love Moses, how we love Abraham, how we love Muhammad,
peace and blessings be upon them. This is a way to represent that
many people have this misunderstanding, as if Muslims
don't love Jesus, as if we don't accept Jesus, but we do. We love
Jesus. We believe in Jesus as a prophet, as a messiah, as a
messenger, as somebody who brought a message of God, as somebody who
was the only way to God for his time, meaning every prophet that
comes, he's the only way to get to God for that time. Meaning, if
Moses's time, he's the only way to God. You can't follow somebody
else. Abraham's time, that's his time. Jesus time is his time.
That's his time. Peace and blessings be upon all of them. So
we got this to represent our love for Jesus and our belief in Jesus.
Peace and blessing be upon him as a prophet in Islam, we don't
worship them. Don't get it twisted, but we love and respect.
I want to get you guys perspective. I just did a segment
on video that just came out. It was an interview. You think the
Middle East in the world would be a better place if Israel didn't
exist? Yes, okay, Israel's committed, you know, so many
terrorist attacks. They're stealing land right now. They're
operating apartheid. They're apparently committing a genocide
on Palestinians like Do you believe in the genocide they're
committing? I think with certain Dan bazirian us with, and it's,
it's not nothing. It's like a negative, you know, even if they
didn't do jack, that would be, you know, bad, but they've actually
done things to hurt us, and over and over and over again. So like
this whole thing of their our greatest allies, it's complete.
And, you know, we send them a billion dollars, and they send a
pack $100 million and then they distribute our politicians and
repliches around telling them, say, how about this? Is like the
about he's like the new Hugh Hefner of our age. But the good
news is he's seeing what already we know is that this life of
hedonism is a dark hole. So there's a Muslim that's in touch
with him that I know personally, and he's been talking with him,
and he hasn't really posted the hedonistic stuff for over, like, a
year, and he wants to do things that are more fulfilling. So he
was recently, I don't know if you've seen the interview, some
bits of it going around that he's talking about, Muslims are good
people. They're globe, like quarter globe is Muslim bad guys
and all terrorists. There's, like, a pretty peaceful religion. He's
seen past all the programming that Muslims are terrorists. All
Muslims are terrorists. Fucking *. But that's what all the
kids fucking coming out there is, like all every fucking bad guy in
these movies, always these hot terrorists. You know, they're
always fucking bad guy. All the other nonsense that's out there.
There was, we'll show some clips of that, but there was one part of
the interview I want to get your guy's perspective, because a lot
of people have this misconception revolving around what you're going
to see in this video clip, you know, going to church and
worshiping and doing all that stuff. To me, the idea of a like,
God that's up there that is requiring him to worship Him seems
a little strange. I'm not saying it's not, you know, it's not,
should not be religion, but you just have to be more successful
people are. We're like, they know, the better fighter is less. You
need everybody telling how great is. You know, I feel like, if you
were God, would you really need me to worship you all the time and
tell you how great you were? Doesn't seem to, you know,
correlate with the experience that I've had. I feel like everybody
knows the right thing is to do. Just do the thing, like that
religion thing, you know what it is, you know, like, I mean, every
kind of conversational, sociopathic so just do the right
thing. And, you know, treat others as you want to treat. You know, I
think there's a lot of knowledge in the Bible. There's a lot of
good quotes in there. But as far as, like, traditional, mainstream
religion, I'm not, you know, far to be anything, maybe Christian.
You know, I like Muslims. I mean, I think they have a pretty piece
of religion. They really bad rap in the media. But I'm a lot of
Muslims, and they're, you know, pretty morally sound for the most
part. So you consider being Muslim. I don't know enough about
the religion. I think I'm probably read the chronic so lot to
unpackaged there. So I mean, if we want to start from reverse or
forward to help Dan along the way, I would say, let's start from the
beginning, where he was saying that he has this difficult time
understanding why a god would need us to worship Him. So the first
thing to understand is Allah, the Creator, the God, the only one
worthy of worship, has no need of us. But.
We are in need of worshiping him. See when we pray five times a day,
it's not that Allah needs it. It doesn't sustain Allah. It doesn't
make Allah more powerful, but it reminds us who is our Creator, who
is the greatest, who are the one we're going to return to if we
don't keep that mental check on us, we I mean, imagine, even with
the prayers and even with the Quran, how much of an ego we have,
how much pride do we have as human beings, even knowing that God is
the greatest, we have this misconception of thinking we can
do everything right. But as a Muslim, when I put my forehead on
the ground, Allah doesn't need that, but I need that humbleness
to show myself, that look, this life is temporary. There is a
creator that created me that I have to go back to, that I have to
submit to, because that creator's laws are how I should live. I
don't know best. My Creator knows best. I need that, right? So
that's the first thing to clarify from that misconception, and I'm
sure Ali is gonna break into that. Secondly, this idea of just do the
right thing. Everybody knows what? Well, that's the thing people
don't What do you mean do the right thing? Is abortion? The
right thing or the wrong thing? Now, you can talk to different
segments of our country and the country that we're in right now,
and there'll be segments that will feel very morally compelled to
say, abortion is the right thing. It's a woman's right. It's her
body. It's her choice. It's wrong for you to tell a woman what she
can do with her body and her pregnancy, and it's her right.
They will morally make that argument. On the other hand, other
segments of our countries, Christian and otherwise, will very
morally say that abortion is murder. It's horrible, it's the
wrong thing. It's ABS the right thing is to condemn it and not
allow it, right? So you see, both sides are using a moral judgment,
very different, is it not everybody? If you take about
euthanasia, like people who are older, whether they can kill
themselves, people that are in pain the death penalty, you will
find two very morally compelled, different arguments to opposite
sides of the spectrum. Totally one of them will consider their point
to be morally correct. So where's morality guidance now? Now, if you
look at, if you look at America, and I'm gonna let the Brits have a
have a pass, you know, in America, our forefathers were slave owners.
You know, those people whose faces are Mount Rushmore that are on
your dollar bills, they were slave owners. Right now, if we say that
today, they say, oh, that's presentism, though, that at that
time that was morally Okay. Well, today we would say slavery is
morally not okay. So why do we have George Washington a slave
abusing you know, slave owner on our dollar bills. Because, again,
you take morality as being subjective. It's not objective. So
this idea of just do the right leaping thing, it's nonsense.
Because what is the right thing? Right? If somebody steals, how
should we deal with them or forgive them? Well, then you're
gonna get robbed every day. Oh, then put them in jail. Like,
what's that going to do? Right? That's why our creator sent us
guidance, whether it's the time of Moses or Abraham or Jesus or
Muhammad, peace be upon all of them. That divine guidance tells
us how to live, how to treat our neighbors, how to deal with
criminal acts, how to deal with spiritual diseases. That guidance
is needed in objective morality, right? And last thing I'll say,
inshaAllah benefit from our brother is he's on the right
track. He said, I want to read the Quran. Great. Read the Quran. Our
our advice to him is, go and read the Quran. And if you have
questions, reach out to us. We're here to help you answer questions.
I mean, to say that, I guess if I was going to choose, I choose
Christianity because you're from a Christian background doesn't make
sense. In the end, you have to choose what's right. You have to
choose what's most just, what's most morally correct, what's best
preserved. That's That's the true message. I mean, you yourself were
not raised in an Islamic environment, but you chose Islam.
Many people may not realize Ali Dawa, Ali brother, chose Islam.
You know myself, I was raised going to church, but I chose
Islam. Why? When I read the Quran, when I read the Islamic belief, it
made so much sense. It was so clear, it was so correct, it was
such a divine truth, that it showed me that all the corruption
the church put in and synagogue and temples and all that could not
stand to the truth of Islam. So we hope he will continue that path
and actually read the Quran and ask questions, and just like when
we saw and rotate first coming towards Islam. It may be a
process, but Inshallah, he'll be Muslim, just like when we saw
siniku First Coming to Islam. It took months, but Alhamdulillah is
a Muslim today. We hope. I don't know the brother, Dan Missourian.
Dan Missourian, Inshallah, someday will be a Muslim as well. I have
no idea who he is, by the way, the first time I've heard of Ummah
same I know about the.
Don't know his name, yeah, so go ahead. What's your what's your
take on, what's your insight on some of those, just touch upon the
thing of him saying, you know, does God need us to worship him? I
believe this is one of the issues even, not just for himself, even a
lot of Muslims face. There's one aspect of Tawheed we don't really
understand, which is that we there is, there is a narration about a
group of angels that were created, and their sole purpose is to be in
sajda from the moment they are created, to Yani, your makayama,
to Allah, subhanaw taala tells them to lift their heads up. And
when they lift their heads up, they say something very
interesting. They say, oh, oh, abud, like we did not worship you
the way you deserve to be worshiped. Now this is very
interesting, because we're talking about, you know some, some of us,
you know, we pray and we think we're remote. You know me, I pray.
My son is extra. We're talking about group of angels who have in
sajjadah for millions or billions of God knows how many years. The
moment they are told to lift their head up, they say to Allah, we did
not worship you the way you deserve to be worshiped. One
aspect we don't understand about talking is the following. We
worship Allah, not because what it does for us, but because of who he
is. Like, for example, when I speak to people in like non
Muslims, and I tell them, when you see a famous person, they say,
James Bond, or whoever it is at their time,
these famous actors, you get excited, oh my gosh. Oh gosh,
isn't that? Isn't that? And then you go, when you go next to him,
Your palms are sweating. Then respect yourself is okay, if I can
take a picture the respect you give him, and ask the question,
Did this guy pay your debt? Did he back you up in a fight? What did
he do so much that you have this level of respect that you around
him? It's okay. Why are you? Who is he? What has he done for you?
Because of he's an actor who he is. Now, if that's the respect you
give to a human being that is an actor that you watch and you're
excited, what about the one who's created the heavens and the earth?
So it's not that Allah, Subhanahu wa needs us. Allah doesn't need if
every single human being stopped praying, Allah doesn't need us.
That's why, if we understand who Allah is and understand Allah's
attributes, understand who he really is, we will then grasp that
he deserves worship, even if he didn't command us in the Quran to
pray. We would pray. We would bow down because we believe he
deserves that. And then just touch upon the morality thing again,
like I can remember, I was having a little debate with one of these
Murtagh, yeah, and they were mocking Islam. They were look at
the Quran. The Quran says you cannot marry your mom or your son.
And that was a very interesting you know? Why? Because he was the
same person talking about morality, because he has no object
morality. He was the same one who said, Actually, I have morally, I
cannot say it is wrong for me to have intimacy with my own
daughter. And I thought so, Panola, you are mocking the Quran,
but the Quran is a solution, because you're telling me there is
nothing wrong with me doing a with my own daughter objectively. So to
me, that's the only thing I can take. I mean, it's a profound now.
So for to have someone like Dan bazarian Now, now we have people,
specialists who are in the field of communicating the message, and
then, God willing, you guys can help get this message to him, to
help facilitate an easy way for him to really not, because a lot
of times what people think is just so confusing. There's so many
religions, so now it's kind of like they're all the same, just a
buffet pick one. So why does Islam stand out? And how can you say
because we say that other religions are man made, but Islam
is the divinely sent religion. How do they come to that realization
like we have? I mean, the thing is, if you look at many famous
people who searched open hearted with their heart open for the
truth, whether it's from Cat Stevens or Dr Mirza buchai name,
right? They always end up with Islam when they actually open
their heart. See most. What we see amongst people that are become
hardcore Christians is because they were born in it, or their
families in it, or their traditions in it, right? Same
thing with Judaism and stuff like that. But when you look at people
who like myself, to be very honest, right? Growing up, I went
to church. I never went to a Muslim, right? I didn't know
Muslims. I went to Baptist Church and Mormon churches and kingdom
halls and Catholic churches. And with all of that, none of those
man made falsehoods ever satisfied my heart. It's only Islam, because
Islam is the only one that gave you a divine, pure message, when
you look at the idea of Christianity, and again, this is
with love and wanting good for all of humanity to be saved. I'm not
there's not a criticism, but hopefully a way of opening their
mind. Nobody can explain the Trinity without coming back to
either dogma or coming see how beautiful Ali explained, right?
Like the fact that only Allah deserves of worship and can be
worship and worship none but Allah. Right? It makes such clear
sense. But when you go to the Trinity, you will see our debates
always either it's a mystery or just accept it, or such a dog and
pony show that they have to like do mental gymnastics to try to
explain these things, because in and of themselves, they make no
sense. If you look at the Hindu religion, and again, I'm saying.
This was hoping to spread good and truth and not not. It's not an
insult. But when I started to study it, none of it could make
any sense. It just seems like, like stories, you know, because
even if you talk to a lot of Hindus, they will say that, like I
had a debate here in the UK with the Hindu lady, and she said the
story of Krishna is more just myth. It's not reality. Even
though she was a hardcore Hindu, right? Why? Because to say your
god, somebody you worship, was stealing women's clothes to see
them naked, is like, like, how does that? How do you take that as
a truth, right? Like, like, this is why I studied Hinduism, right?
And
I got to a chapter about in Mahabharata about Ram and Sita,
right? So RAM is a God, quote, unquote, right? And Sita is a
goddess. And he tells Sita, stay in the home. So far, I respect
him.
He goes out and rawor, who is this evil king from Sri Lanka? I don't
know why. Sorry, Sri Lanka has become the bad guy in story with
like, 10 heads, or maybe 12 heads. He got a lot of head, so he came
and disguised himself and God tricked a goddess to come out and
kidnapped her, kind of summarizing the story. No,
don't get offended, brother. But if somebody looks at your wife
wrong, what are you gonna
do? Not good? Be honest. Be real, bro, our Gita, our protective
jealousy kicks in. You look at my wife wrong, and we're gonna have a
problem. Yes, you raise your hand towards my wife, bro, you're
getting knocked out. I don't care. I gotta go to jail. I'm gonna
defend my honor right now. Let's go to Ram. Ram comes home. He's a
God that people worship. And his wife's gone and he can't go defend
her. He a god cannot go and get his wife back. He has to get
monkeys to help him. I kid you not, monkeys. Hanuman, the Monkey
God with monkey army, to go monkey around and get Sita back over a
year she's there, getting whatever, and that's why he leaves
her later. He's like, I don't know what happened on that island,
right? So how could you worship something like that? Doesn't make
sense. Like that. You know Buddhism again. You know this
whole concept of reincarnation, okay, if you live a good life,
then you reincarnate into something better. Okay, how does a
cockroach live a good life? Like, how does a cockroach come back as
a monkey? Like, like, what is he got to do? Right? Like, like,
like, what does a dog do? Your good dog to come back as a cow?
Like, like,
if you think through these things, these are just stories. And you
know, Christianity basically corrupted the true message of
Jesus and infused paganism, whether it's Christmas, whether
it's this idea of Zeus and Hercules and God and godlings and
God having * with women and having children. And they kind of
morphed that message, pagan message, into the beautiful
message of Jesus corrupting it and coming up with this new religion,
right? Judaism, took the true message of Moses, peace and
blessings upon him, and added all kinds of stuff that rabbis came up
with that's not in the towra, that's not in any of the Divine
writings or anything. So they mean this man made religion in Islam
till today, when we pray every aspect of that prayer I can show
you from the Quran or authentic honey, when you go for Hajj, every
aspect of Hajj, of Amra, I can show you from Qur'an authentic
hadith. When we fast in Ramadan, when do we begin our path? When do
we break our path? You know, even, what do we eat to break out all of
that from evidence. It's the only religion preserved on the true
message as it was sent.
Let's finish off with an invitation. How would you invite
Dan bazir and or anyone else out there who now is tuning in and
they like what we have to say, the worship of the Creator, not the
creation, the pure monotheism. It makes sense all of this other
stuff that's out there, Trinity and God being a man, paganism.
They're not really digging that. What steps would you tell Dan the
first as you should take. And how would you invite someone else to
contemplate, look into Islam, personally, myself, obviously
coming from a similar background of, you know, just living the
Western value and all this kind because you were party guy before,
yeah. So is you Eddie, don't try, yeah. So the thing is, coming from
that life, we understand their lifestyle Exactly. Because what is
you hit a wall when we we started doing dollars in Leicester
squares. Square. So these people that are walking, I know their
psychology, because I was at that very spot. I used to go clubbing
in that Leicester Square very spot every weekend, because I was
empty. I was boss. I was looking for a purpose. And I know these
fake smiles and I'm look like I'm having fun. No, you're not. I know
how I felt. I know how you that's why, when I speak to them, I can
relate to them. You.
So Subhanallah, I would personally say one thing to understand is
when people come and say, I live in a live in a higher power. But
one thing that I came to realization is that it is
impossible to believe in a higher power and then just say, Okay, you
just put me here. Put you here for what? How does it make sense? I
cannot believe in a creator that is purposeless. God, Allah,
subhanho taala gave me a purpose. How is it possible that a glass
has a purpose. My socks have a purpose. My trains, everything
that I have here, this mic, this camera, everything has a purpose.
And me, I'm far superior creation. How could I not have a purpose? So
to me, I would say, to ponder upon this number one, number two, to
understand that only in the remembrance of Allah do hard to
find peace, which means that we believe in something called the
fitra, which is your innate disposition. Allah, subhanaw taala
has created us that we will only find happiness in his remembrance.
That's the reason why. If you look that, one thing that I realized
was anything that I would give like, be it the money, the cars,
the girls, all that kind of stuff, my I was rejected, and my soul was
saying, this is not what I want. It's like when you eat bad food,
what does your stomach do? It vomits out. It's got a program to
say, bad. Take it out the system. The soul is the same thing. The
sword has its food, which is the remembrance of Allah. Anytime you
give it something that doesn't belong there, it's saying, No,
thank you. That's not it. It's not that. And what happens with the
Western and also in the Western world, is they think, okay, if I
go to if I buy the latest car, or if I get a house, and they're
like, what is it? There's something missing. That missing
puzzle is, what is your fitrah, which is your innate disposition
that is remembering Allah. Once you find that, then you will find
true content and happiness. And that's why I would tell our dear
brother, is very simple when you're on your own. This what I
did. I said, God, if you are there, and I believe you are
there, guide me to the truth. I don't care. Is it Christianity?
Please, all day, every day, I didn't pick and choose. I said,
whichever is the truth, if whichever religion is the truth
tells me I need to every day, go climb a palm tree, calm down, do
20 precepts and five black flips. Is it the truth? No problem. The
point is, the only true message that I found was what Quran is
preservation and number one, it's simple essence of Tawheed. I
already believe that when I looked into Christianity, automatically,
I said, bye, bye. You're telling me Jesus is God. Salaam Alaikum. I
started reading the Bible first. I used to know a family who's
Christian. I still make Christmas with them, Easter with them. I
open the Bible, I start reading. I'll start watching some debates.
The moment I heard Jesus is God as salaamu alaykum, there was no way
I can believe that the one who created the heavens earth became a
man like me. No, thank you. So pray internally, because if you do
genuinely seek the guidance, that's what Allah says in the
Quran, we respond to the caller that calls upon us. You sincerely
call to God. Allah will send you signs and shall and then read the
Quran, the Bible, wherever you want to read. That's what I would
advise, what I did personally, and I believe that Allah will guide
you. Want to mention yes please before we end. And this is
something that we did a podcast recently here in the UK. There was
a woman, a sister, who was an Islamophobe, and you can watch
this video, and Inshallah, maybe if you're here, we could do some
with her and her husband.
She used to go to Muslim countries to convert Muslims towards
Christianity. She would bribe schools, Muslim Islamic schools in
Muslim countries to allow her to sit. And she's got videos of this,
all these hijabi little girls, and she's out there trying to preach
Jesus to him. She would go out to, you know places to go, put big
signs against the Prophet Muhammad. SallAllahu. SallAllahu,
and she was an Islamophobe. She was from the leadership of her
church. She was a student of every islamophobe whose names you know.
For years, she would go around doing this. And Alhamdulillah,
Alhamdulillah, she saw some of our videos. People who watch these
videos that share them. You're a very important part of the Dawah
that the message got to her, where she got a Quran, and she read it,
and she flew to the UK from Portugal to speak to me. We were
having an event here with our brother Amen And Sharon. And I
remember, at 11 o'clock we finished the event. Then we went
to the, what they call the unit, you know, in the their center. And
you know, of course, not alone. She was sitting with cover, you
know, out of respect, and she debated with me for four hours.
Wow, four hours. This is after, like, you know, at midnight,
after, you know. And at the end of that, with tears in her eyes, she
accepted a stall, and she she told us not to tell anybody, because
her community, her family. Imagine somebody who is that hateful, but
what changed her? She actually read the Bible, realizing the
nonsense, and she read the Quran right, objectively, it changed her
heart. So imagine if she can be a Muslim today. Alhamdulillah, we
didn't talk about this because we don't care about views. She told
us, keep it a secret. We kept it a secret until she was ready to open
up about it. We did a podcast. We had her husband with her and
stuff. We discussed she tells her own story. Alhamdulillah, she's a
Muslim hadjeba today. Practice.
Saying, Dahiya, may Allah protect her. She's married to a good
brother, mashaAllah. So
what does that tell you? Everybody out there, if you're objective and
you're honest and you read the Quran and you read the Bible
objectively, you will end up being
a Muslim.
You do not guide the wrongdoers. So if your heart is clean, you're
looking for goodness. Allah will guide you beautiful sincerity,
wanting to know the truth. God Almighty, directly, praying to the
Creator who guides you the truth. So there you
go, Dan and anybody else who's seeking for the truth. You got the
formula right there. Thank you guys. Once again, you.