The Deen Show – Lawyer Enraged at Andrew Tate being Arrested after he Accepts Islam – Lawyer Breaks Down Case
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The speakers discuss the negative impact of press releases on women's accusations of abuse and the lack of clarity on the situation. They emphasize the importance of showing proper evidence and highlighting the lack of clarity. The discussion also touches on the struggles faced by Muslims in the past, including injuries and criminal charges, and the pressure on individuals to speak out against Islam. The segment ends with a call to donate and a message to encourage listeners to visit the deen show.
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As a lawyer, seeing what's happening to the tape brothers, is just so so enraging crime that's preposterous that is contrary to the fundamental principles of international law and human rights could actually tell your loyalty to the principles of justice. When you see how you want it apply to those who disagree with a normal case with a normal individual, I believe the Tate's would absolutely be out, it's actually an insult to women. It's an insult to women. It's, in fact, even if I disagreed with everything they stood for, I would stand by this position because as a lawyer, I took an oath to protect justice, that's gone too much. And it's a disservice to the many, many women
that are actual victims of abuse, the artists of who it is regard I as a lawyer would never tolerate the idea that a human being can be locked up by the full force and power of a damn bank been freed. This guy allegedly was involved in a scheme that then they ended up he ends up accepting Islam. He ends up accepting Islam, and then he comes back, and now he's in jail. Does this have anything to do with his decision? To take Islam as a way of life? We've been told that they're out to kill us all. So I'm gonna go brothers and sisters, we went to the streets to ask Americans about Islam. Here's what they said. Do you know anything about Islam? No. Do you know anything about Islam? No, sadly,
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And your take Tristan Tate, it's all over the news. And we want to get to the bottom of things try to understand things a little bit better. They're still detained, not charged. And who better to give us a better understanding, then a lawyer so someone who has experience in this field in this realm? We're at the law office of Shibley and Shibli
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So you're also a trial lawyer, civil rights lawyer is can you give us a little bit of Vandalia? Yeah, my law firm. You know, I did about a decade of civil rights defense for the Muslim community. And they're running with the largest American Muslim civil rights organizations. And through Allah's grace, now we have a private practice, which really aims to providing Islamic ethical quality representation to the Muslim community and help them meet their legal needs in an Islamic ethical way. We do everything from Islamic State Planning and wills, to marriages, and divorces, hopefully, to Sharia compliant manner, to business contracts. And we do quite a bit of civil rights work and
criminal defense. In fact, just within the last couple months, we've had numerous Muslims in the state of Florida, who were wrongfully arrested or charged with crimes they did not commit. And by getting involved early, gathering the evidence and providing it with the prosecutor to the prosecution, able to get the charges completely dismissed. But what does that teach you? That teaches you that innocent people get arrested and charged all the time, and you need to have a strong legal system in place in order to be able to liberate them? And I think that's why, as a lawyer, seeing what's happening to the tape brothers, is just so so enraging, and just discussing
it, I wanted to get your perspective as an attorney, a lawyer practicing for many years. These cases that you've tried, this is in the United States.
This is a little bit different because it's in Romania now. Sure. Well, we've had we've had cases International, I mean, one of the you've had international Absolutely. And we were able to use the media and political pressure to liberate those who are even wrongfully arrested overseas. And, and we see that the US government has the power to do that. I mean, you look at most recently a case, obviously, I wasn't involved in, but of a basketball player, who, you know, flew into Russia with THC oil, which is illegal over there, frankly, it's illegal in the US. And that's, that's a crazy thing I want to discuss. But the US government put forward its full influence and power to demand
that she be released and she was convicted, she was facing years and hard labor. And the US government was able to get her after a conviction released and back to the US. Meanwhile, the we're locking up people for the same crimes here domestically. Let's get to the evidence, put emotions to the side, it's gonna be very emotional for a lot of people, a lot of people in are on one side of the fence or the other. But many people are also now who are objectively looking at this and looking at the evidence, they're seeing that okay, it doesn't hold weight, even had so many different people coming out and saying, okay, they haven't been charged, charged them already. If they did something
wrong, okay, charge them, prosecute them, but they're being detained without charges now. And now, the evidence, let's go over that. Let's look at the evidence. And then you as an attorney, you should give your perspective. Right. So let's look at the situation right now. So far, these brothers have been arrested since December, they're going on three months in Romanian jail
with completely abhorrent conditions, without being charged with a single crime. Mind you, the brothers have been wiretapped, at least for the 10 months prior, you know, they've had the eyes of the world on them. And clearly the eyes of the Romanian government, and the fact that they've been spying on them for 10 months, they've had them in jail for three months, and they could potentially under Romanian law, they could potentially hold them for up to 180 days, without being charged with a crime. That's preposterous, that is contrary to the fundamental principles of international law, and human rights, governments should never have the ability and the authority to detain individuals,
human beings, without charges for such a long period of time. It's preposterous, it's unheard of. And it's just crazy. And the fact that so many people even in the US are okay with it, just because they disagree with the takes on some political views or social views, that doesn't matter. The principles of liberty, are paramount for all of us. And if any one of us see, you could actually tell your loyalty to the principles of justice. When you see how you want it apply to those who you disagree with, if you're okay, with those whom you disagree with having their rights violated, then what you've done is you've destroyed your own rights as well. That's a good point. You know, as a
lot of great Americans have said, Listen, I may disagree with your views, but I will die defending your right to say it because if you lose your freedom to say something I disagree with, then we've all lost our freedom. And this is what we've seen with the teats, you know, the Tate's? I mean, arguably, the most famous people in the world. I mean, certainly Andrew Tate was the most Googled person. And, you know, very, very soon after he publicly embraces Islam, starts sharing quotes of the Prophet Muhammad's iclm. starts talking about the beauty of our deen
all of a sudden, he's arrested on allegedly years old charges, which just don't hold water. So so let's talk about it. Let's start about where we are right now, how we got here and what that means for the principles of liberty and justice for all humanity. Yeah, if that's just coincidence, what you said that he recently just recently accepted Islam. And as this have anything to do with that, before we even get to that, let's look at the evidence. Sure. That suppose the evidence that's there starting with if you as an attorney, if you had evidence now, or even the prosecution here, if there's evidence that can exonerate your defendant, they're obliged to take that they have to turn
it over. They have to, they have to make it accessible to the defense, and frankly, they have to review it. And that's why we've had so much success in the US. Like I mentioned you over the last year, we've had multiple cases of extra community leaders, imams sisters that run charity organizations in the US either getting arrested or charged with false crimes, and Alhamdulillah. They contacted our office, we were able to review the evidence presented the prosecution and then the prosecution had to review it. And when they reviewed it because they're sincere, they thanked us, they said we weren't aware of this. We're dropping all charges. That's where now in Romania,
it's a little bit different. It's completely different that not only are they're not turning over any exculpatory or vindicating evidence, it seems that they are actually actively trying to stop that evidence from being made public. Certainly they're not reviewing it. Certainly they're not working with the defense towards truth. It's very clear it's a politically driven situation. So let's talk about the evidence. So because I think
when you see what's out there and you see the conditions there and it's it's mind blowing, so the facts are again, these brothers have been in jail since December and we're going through
months up to 180 days that they can be held. We've seen a complete silence amongst the Western governments that claim to be proponents of liberty and justice, let's go ahead and look at objectively the evidence that's presented, and then one by one if it carries weight, right, I mean, regardless is what we have to decide, regardless of who it is. Regard I as a lawyer, would never tolerate the idea that a human being can be locked up by the full force and power of a government for not just one day, one week, one month, but now three months without being without being charged. That is abhorrent. I don't care if you're accused of murder, of terrorism, of *, the power of the
government to incarcerate and take away the greatest thing, which is fundamental human liberty.
It cannot exist without due process, without justice without evidence, which should result in charges and the fact that they haven't been able to charge them for this long. I mean, if they're really so guilty, bring forward even lesser charges, and then you could always increase the charges down the road, but the fact that they haven't been able to throw any charges on them, and listen, we live in the US, can I tell you how many times people have been charged? And still they were innocent? Let's talk about how many times people have been convicted. And they were innocent. I mean, in the US, we saw the case of advance aid, where are all those people who stood by advance
they get for years? Why are they not speaking out and then say he was convicted, allegedly of murdering his girlfriend. And now I don't know, it's a decade or two later, was just released, exonerated. It reminds us that listen, innocent people get arrested, innocent people get charged, innocent people even get convicted. And the fact of the tape brothers, they haven't even been able to charge them and they're holding them now for three months. It's an attack on liberty for all humanity, the strongest evidence that they have. Let's take a look right at us. Attorney. Now, give us your perspective. Well, first of all, two of the alleged victims that were on the victims list
publicly came out, saying, What are you talking about? We're not victims, you know, and the government's response is, oh, you're brainwashed. And they gave them that diagnosis, without even any mental health professional speaking with them. So it's like they're just ready on their defense points. They they're so sloppy in what they're doing, that they're putting people on the victims list, that are openly saying to the world on social media, hey, we are not victims take didn't do anything wrong to us, you know, do not include us in this prosecution. We have nothing to do with it. And they've gone above and beyond they've got videos, they've come out salutely very vocally
speaking out. And that's actually an insult to women. It's an insult to women. It's taking away the mind and agency in the authority of a woman, that woman Listen, you're too dumb to know, if you're a victim. That's what the government throws out. That's an insult to women. Where's all the women rights activists not speaking out? You know, women have agency they have authority, they have they have the power to have consent or not. And when a woman comes out and says, Hey, I'm not a victim, and for the government say no, no, you're stupid, you're brainwashed, you don't know what you're talking about. It's an insult to women, everywhere. It's an insult to Liberty everywhere. So that's
the first issue is right off the bat, when you have the list of alleged victims, at least two of them have spoken up very vocally saying, we're not gonna say we're not gonna listen to you, you're wrong. You are a victim, whether you like it or not. And that just is an insult to women. Everywhere. That's the first thing. The second thing. I mean, the explosive, and you've covered this so well, the explosive text messages between two of the alleged victims. So now we got another two, right, that you're bringing up now another two with a history of accusing those that don't like me, I believe one of one of these women that she got mad with her mom. So she made accusations against
her own mother, her own mother, she got in a bad relationship made accusations against them. She knows Listen, we live in this metoo world where if you're a woman, and you don't like someone, just run your mouth, makeups a BS, and you'll gather a lot of support. And that's gone too much. And it's a disservice to the many, many women that are actual victims of abuse. You know, and my office has represented so many women that are actual victims of domestic violence, of *, of abuse, and they're so disheartened by those that loudly make up such claims just to gain an advantage to gain advantage and a divorce to extort someone for money. Whereas the true victims are actually often too
scared to speak out. And often afraid people won't believe them, but it's because of thugs like these people who want to take advantage for their own personal agenda. So So you look at these two women now we it's not just he said she said we have their own words. We have the WhatsApp conversations, where they're saying they're gonna get an Oscar for their acting, where they say, Matt, your acting is so good. Yes, I've been practicing where they're celebrating that they're, you know, colluding with each other to frame the teats and how rich and famous and popular they're going to be even getting their own Netflix special. So we have that evidence. I mean, that in and of
itself again shows that
that
let these women clearly are conspiring to commit a crime, to falsely accuse someone and to get that for their own personal benefit that by itself now because these are the two key witnesses, right of the case, I believe, just as by itself should be enough to exonerate them to have them set them free, I think, absolutely, it should be enough to exonerate at least have them released pending any other concrete evidence to arrest them. Because even in the US when you're I mean, look at Sam bank been freed. This guy allegedly was involved in a scheme that, you know, resulted in the theft and embezzlement of billions, billions of dollars. He's living in his parents home right now. And, you
know, he's got access to God knows how much crypto wealth that's hidden, that's untraceable, you know, and yet, he's free to live in his parents home, pending the investigation. And yet the Tate's with such flimsy accusations against them have been locked up in horrid conditions for months. Again, I don't care if you like or hate the states. In fact, even if I disagreed with everything they stood for, I would stand by this position, because as a lawyer, I took an oath to protect justice for all humanity. And I know that when those even that were that we disagree with, when they lose their rights, we've all lost our rights. And then the timing of it, which we need to talk more
about the timing of the arrest is just it's just shocking, but but let's get more to the point. So you have the WhatsApp messages, where they're admitting to conspiring to set up the dates, right, and that they're such good actors, and they're going to make so much money and fame off of this. Now, I've seen where people they go into some of the messages now that they're having with their mother, but it seems like with those, when you look at the transcripts, they're like, they're they're coming in and deceiving their mother, because now they're, you know, saying one thing, and then this conversation happens later on. Right? Right, right. And their mother was freaking out. She
doesn't know the truth from the falsehood, and it's just a mess. So there's a lot of manipulation, a lot of manipulation. And this is a problem, we have to talk about this problem. There is a theme, in particular, in 2023, now, of certain, angry women who don't get what they want, who manipulate and abuse the system, for their own benefit. And a lot of us are enabling that. And it's destructive. And you know, what, they ultimately paid the price. I mean, I do family law. Yeah, I can't tell you how many times I've seen spouses come out with the craziest accusations and waging war against their ex spouse knowing they're gonna get support, and they'll get some support initially. But then, as
the time wears off, they're like, What have I done? I've destroyed myself, I've lied. You know, I've manipulated and usually it catches up with them. And usually they regret it. And I've seen this happen again and again. But we live in a culture that enables that. And what we don't understand is, it's not just harming those that are accused. It's really even destroying the accusers in their family. How does it work? Because these two women, one is from the US, the other one is from UK, right? They say the Moldova. Sure, sure. So now, and there's actual criminal investigation against because you got to remember, this all started back, I believe in April, yes. Where the Tate's home
was raided based again on false accusations, the tea, it actually started back then correct. And they actually count and nobody's arrested, then again, there was no reason to arrest them. But what dictates it is actually counted with criminal charges and investigation against the accusers. And because there has to be accountability. You cannot simply falsely accuse someone potentially destroy their life. So what another piece of evidence so we spoke about two of the victims alleged victims coming out and saying we're not victims and the government said be quiet, you know, you're talking about we spoke about now two of them conspiring to bring down the Tates to gain fame. And in their
own words, again, having had done this before having a pattern of doing this. Third is we have the CCTV footage, the security footage, this is very important here this footage Absolutely. Which prosecution currently is not the prosecution has taken and is refusing to release it. I believe they haven't even given it to the defense if I'm not mistaken. But that really destroys their case, because again, it shows the woman coming in and out freely of the compound. It shows the dynamics of the environment, the relationship and I think it really destroys their case, you can't be captured, you know, and not free to leave when you're sitting there laughing and joking. And just coming and
going about as you please. Again, there's just a very common theme of people, consensually entering, entering into whatever kind of relationships whether platonic or otherwise, then trying to take advantage trying to extort trying to get money and when they don't get what they want saying you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna say whatever I want to say in the world is gonna believe me because guess what, hashtag believer hashtag me too. And it's a shame especially when Muslims support that because where would Yusuf Ali Salaam and I'm not comparing anyone to anyone, but we have to take historic lessons. Where would you say Valley Easter Lambie
With hashtag believe her, hashtag me to the Quran itself speaks about this disease of false accusations, right against people in a position of influence and success. You know, the story of use is very clear the man was falsely accused of *.
And I shall do a low on falsely accused of fornication. Again, we can't continue to blindly support accusations without evidence and stand by as people literally lose their liberty. This doesn't really look good for the Romania does it at the end. I mean, I think the it's clear Romanian justice system as a joke is very corrupt, politically driven, and is certainly not a country for the rest of history. Now. I mean, what are the people gonna remember? It's a humiliation or an unjust country. And I believe it shows how easily their politicians and their leaders may be bought out. Yeah. And I'm sure most lot of Romanians are speaking out. Also, you've heard the news come forward. So
there's a few there is that kind of be politically motive by one party there, you know, I think it's a slap in the face to public freedom, because I think what they want to show is, look, it doesn't matter if you're the most famous man in the world. If we want to get you we can. And it's going to have a chilling effect, or that's what they want it to have. They want to have a chilling effect, to keep people quiet to keep people in line to keep people promoting whatever agendas they have. And when you speak out. They want to say we don't care if we're the most famous person will get you and I think that's the scary thing. And we cannot give into that. We have to continue to be fearless and
courageous. We need to all speak out. You know there's people actually would advise me not to speak out because Oh, the tapes are too controversial. But listen, I'm more than anyone firsthand know what it's like to be falsely accused and see that those who make the accusations in the end, they're just really destroying themselves. And Allah Himself promises. Do not think it is bad for you. It is good for you. When believers face injustice, they will always come out on top and I do believe Allah subhanaw taala will put good in this for the brothers. Absolutely. What else do we have? So moving on, you have the CCTV footage hasn't been released, it shows now coming in and out completely
destroys the case. Any accusation? Just stop there for a moment. This is for people to understand there's cameras all over the house. Correct? Watching people, and if you're doing something illegal, you certainly wouldn't want to record it.
It's kind of like those TV shows reality shows, right? That you imagined brother big. Yeah. So you have these shows with cameras all over. And now this is what the prosecution doesn't want to use as evidence. Right? If what they're saying is true, they would want to release that. Yeah, because it should solidify. But it's a game now and correct. Okay. Because we're on about justice. Correct. And finally, frankly, you have the social media, of the alleged victims themselves. It shows them vacationing and traveling and having fun and being free, or even, you know, after when they were allegedly
victims, you know, it just destroys their case. And I've seen that because, again, I firsthand witnessed a you know, a woman who will claim to be locked up and beaten and abused by her husband. Meanwhile, her social media shows her traveling the world first class, and the crazy thing is, people will ignore their social media ignore the facts, and just they want to believe they want to support this idea that yes, the men are bad, and woman can can never lie. And then you look at the facts and the reality when the dust settles and people often have regrets and that's why Allah says verify do not blindly believe anything look there's hope for all people I don't want to just by
bringing what I'm going to say next is look if if a person has been through everything in life and they chose the worst path in life, you know, there's always hope for that person even if that person was a stripper or a prostitute which in this case, they are that's who the accuser so they're in this world is realm and we don't want injustice to happen to anybody and that person in Islam you have that prostitute who fed the dog water to the dog I love her gave her gave her paradise right so those women also we want good for them for guidance for them and to change their lives around right to speak the truth you know not to perpetuate lies and misinformation and in this situation this is
not like someone if you look at who the people are this is this is actually this carry weight now when you're in a situation like this and you're defending a case or anything do you bring up you know their profession their job, you know that you have someone here is one is a is a prostitute the other one is as a pole dance stripper or you know, I think more important than their job which I think it's important to understand context is their history, their history, a combined with a professional combined with what they do they have a history of going after successful men and extorting them and then accusing them when they don't get what they want. You know, if the same
individual somehow is allegedly been, you know, targeted by multiple wealthy men, and all these men have raped them. Yeah. And okay, and she's come out again and again with these accusations. You know, maybe she's the one doing the plotting and that's why I appreciate the example in the last episode, which was like the whole
Well, you know, the opposite of the Loverboy condition, right where they come up. I mean, they know what they're doing. You know, they're they're presenting themselves as lovers to these men and and that they cherish them that they genuinely love them to get in their circle to benefit from being within that circle to live the luxury lifestyles, the nice restaurants, the Jets, the you know, the travels, the vacations, the nice watches, and then
usually there comes a point where they just want cold, hard cash, you know, they extort them, hey, listen, give, you know, pay up, or I'm going to start, you know, and this and this, and this is another trend, or we're saying I mean, it's wrong when men do it, but also you have a woman who manipulators, both sides, both sides, do it and listen, as Muslims, we're not pro men are pro women. We are pro justice, and Allah commands to speak up for justice. And again, what concerns me about this case is it reflects everything that's wrong with a culture that wants to believe or disbelieve individuals simply based on their gender. men lie, women lie. Men can be truthful, women can be
truthful, not everyone is perfect. We all have our sins, and our shortcomings. And we may have disagreements on different things. But again, you cannot disregard the principles of due process and justice. And I believe that tait case, is a classic example of the disregard of the principles of human rights and justice. And again, which we didn't dive into yet. When did they decide to bring the world down? So we're done here with looking at them? Yeah, I mean, these are the key, the key the key pieces to point out. So if this now, if was something that you were defending, prosecuting on either side you're looking at, is this something that would just be here in the United States
just pretty much thrown out? I mean, if I was in the US, if this was in the US, if I was representing the states, we would immediately
prepare sworn affidavits from the
the woman who, who who were alleged victims, but were not victims who said we are not,
you know, emphasizing that they are not victims, we would supplement that with records of the WhatsApp conversations with whatever CCTV footage is there. And we would actually ask that the state itself dropped the charges completely. And if not, then we would demand release on bond
until formal charges are brought, and even then, that the client should be free and able to be free. pending a conviction. I think, look, the problem is this isn't a normal case where the normal rules apply, quite frankly. And any lawyer who tells you that is BS. Okay. But if this was a normal case, with a normal individual, I believe the tapes would absolutely be out. I don't think they wouldn't even face charges. Not not when the evidence is that that we can, in fact, the evidence is a sculptor, that evidence actually vindicates them, you know, because it's one thing you can't prove that you didn't do something. But you can prove that the woman were free to come and go as they
please visa vie the the footage, you can prove that they had the intention to set up the Tate's visa vie their own words, you can prove that the prosecutors and the government's going above and beyond to set these people up even to place people who weren't victims by their own admission as victims was so those are all provable. And that would be enough, I believe, in a justice system that is blind to have the tapes released. But again, this isn't about the evidence. Now is this conveniently happening that just recently, and let's get to this part here, recently looked back in was it April that they were wiretapping, they were investigating them, they brought him in, they released them.
So then they end up he ends up accepting Islam? He ends up accepting Islam, and then he comes back, and now he's in jail. Does this have anything to do with his decision to take Islam as a way of life? I think that played a major role. I mean, again, they've waited so long, you know, the the alleged incidents in question, I mean, are quite old. The fact that the government chose to wait to really try to bring down his world when he's speaking out proudly as a Muslim and Europe has its tremendous history of Islamophobia. And I think they're scared of the power and the influence that Islam has. And they see other people following Pete's footsteps and embracing Islam. Just Just
recently, we read about another person who was very popular actually, in the Islamophobic side, and in the far right side, embracing Islam.
I think it should raise a lot of concern for us at the minute he becomes Muslim, and start sharing Hadith and start speaking and start learning about his faith. You know, they come out with their full force against him. Again, I believe they're trying to have a chilling effect. And, you know, they're trying to prove a point saying, Listen, we can shut down the most influential person in the world if we want.
It's troubling. Did you follow the law in case it seems similar in a way that there was something are you familiar with what happened with rice that he ended up
getting charged with something that happened years before his conversion. He accepted Islam and then they ended up
arresting him. This is a common theme. I mean, right now, to be very frank, I think there is an organized, orchestrated effort to tie down to try to take down
male Muslim leadership,
really in this country and global. I mean, I think those that can be seen to represent masculine Muslim men, in positions of leadership
are seen as a threat because we stand against everything, that society now warships, you know, from
just godlessness and atheism, to extreme toxic feminism, that is leading to ridiculous amounts of divorce, and family problems, to support of deviant lifestyles that had brought about the Wrath of Allah subhanaw taala for previous nations, you know, I think traditional masculine Muslim men, or those that could become that because it takes to just embrace Islam, right. So he's definitely not a scholar, definitely not a Muslim leader per se. He's an influential individual who embrace Islam, and could be on the path as he studies the deen as you reforms as he changes as he grows, to play a positive role. So there's an organized effort to to harm them. And I see that in the US in
particular, as well, whether it's through false accusations through criminal charges, through random articles. I mean, it just it happens again, and again. And we want I think, destroy the idea of righteous, proper pious male leadership. And part of that is also because we have full standards, I mean, we expect and think people are to be perfect, and people are to be human. Everybody has their ups and downs in their strengths. But we should all be given the benefit of the doubt, we should take the good, leave the bad and remember the principles that we want to apply to us, which is we're all innocent until proven guilty. Have you seen some of these arguments or some of these attack
coming from Muslims who say, Oh, you're defending someone who's XY and Z? Who was involved in this that? Oh, absolutely. I mean, this things are things from his past. Sure, sure. I mean, it's, there's so much toxicity in in regards to having these kinds of conversations and people want to take some of the and to be frank Tate's done some horrible things in his past. I'll be very frank with it. You know what I'm saying? I mean, running some of the businesses, certainly, we're not Islamic, whether it's gambling, whether it's involving females, there's things that we as Muslims, absolutely reject. But I also believe, as he's going on his path as Islam, he himself would
absolutely reject, you know, Islam purifies. It destroys what came before. And what we want to do is we want to be barriers to God's mercy to humanity, that only those who are with us and like us and agree with us should have God's mercy and we forget God's mercy encompasses all things. And on that point, I do want to share one of my favorite Hadith, because it's a lesson for all of us. Look, whatever Tate did in his past, doesn't come anywhere close to what why she or the Allahu Anhu did. We all know what she did was she was an assassin. He was hired to assassinate the uncle of the Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, and he did so and then he desecrated his body. And we
know how close Hamza radula Han was to the prophesy. Salam. So why she eventually he realized the truth. He wanted to become Muslim. And so he went to the prophesy said we said listen, the Quran says believers do not commit shirk don't worship other than Allah, I've worshipped idols. The Quran says believers don't fornication, I fornicated. The Quran says believers don't kill the innocent, and I've killed the innocent and killed your uncle. what hope is there for me to become Muslim? by and far, why she's done worse than what any of us including tape could ever do. You know, from the murder to the Chinook to the fornication, you name it, he did it. He did it all. He did it all. And
yet he went to the Prophet saying, I want to repent. Now the prophets I said, Because I said, Listen, you killed my uncle, get out of here. There's no mercy for you. That's what we would have done. Maybe if we love our uncle, we don't want to see his killer go to paradise. But the prophesy said it was a mercy to all creation, he transcended even these personal differences in the political differences. He waited till the revelation came and then Allah revealed the verse. Yes, believers do not kill, do not fornication, do not commit shirk. And whoever does that will get a terrible punishment except for those who repent and believe and do righteous deeds. Not only will Allah
forgive them, but he will replace their evil with righteousness. So how about the man who killed 99? And then exactly, you got this beautiful, beautiful sir. And you know what the story is why she doesn't finish why she actually didn't jump on at that moment. Because he said there's are too many conditions. Okay, I will believe I will repent, but how do I know my good deeds will make up for it. So then Allah revealed a second verse of murder.
See, saying ALLAH does not forgive shirt but he forgives anything besides that to whomever he wants. And again, why she didn't jump on it. He said, too many conditions. How do I know Allah wants to forgive me? And then the verse came told my servants were wrong themselves. Do not give up hope in the Mercy of Allah Allah forgives all the sins altogether. So that is the Mercy of Allah. He can forgive even the worst of people he can forgive the person he went from being cursed for killing the uncle the prophesy, sell them and being a fornicator and being a murderer to being a Radi Allahu Allah, may Allah be pleased with him because he became a hobby. So why are we trying to stop Allah's
mercy from each other? When somebody becomes Muslim, even if we disagree with their past, we ought to welcome them. And frankly, regardless of the religion, when their rights are trampled upon, we all have to stand vocally against that, because if it's their rights today, it could be our rights tomorrow, if one and then you had that example of the man who killed 99 Yes, so then he went, and he ended up that story is just 99 he literally killed murder, you cannot get worse than murder. You know, in Islam, we have Allah's rights and human rights. And some of the scholars have written that in many circumstances, human rights are actually more dangerous, more critical than Allah's rights.
Because Allah if you violate his rights, if you don't worship Him, if you ignore him, he's not hurt in the least. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? But human beings, we are limited. So if you oppress me, if you hurt me, I'm caused harm. So you can't just worship Allah and hurt me. You know what I'm saying? And yet this person did the word committed and murdered nine men, people went to a scholar said, Can Allah forgive me? And the guy said, he had the canceled culture, you know, and if anybody deserved canceled culture, somebody who killed nine people, so he gave him blame him, but he said, What you and I would say, bro, you killed nine people. You know what hope is there. What you and I
may say, right, if we didn't know better, so you know what he's like, Well, if I kill 99, I'm going to * anyway, what's another one? So he killed him to kill the 100 people. And then he truly, genuinely regretted it. He went to the other one to the other person who was wise. And he said to him, I've killed the 100
Is there any hope for me, and the person said, What can stand between you and the mercy of our Lord, but you can't just say you're sorry, you have to take meaningful change. You have to travel go to this, you committed all the sins in the city, go to this other, get away from these bad friends get away from the bad company company. This is what we say. And we say we say in Arabic, or Sahib Sahib, the friend pulls, you know, the Prophet said, and said, that we're all on the religion of our friends and our companions. And this is the amazing thing, by the way, we'll take what I noticed is when he became Muslim, he's hanging out with other Muslims. He's going to the machine, he's starting
to talk with different scholars being unrighteous content by step, step by step, you know, we put such false standards for people when he started to take those steps of change. So anyway, this guy was told you have to go to the city of the righteous. So he starts traveling to the city of the righteous, and on his journey, what happens we know he passes away. So now the angels come one of mercy and one of wrath. The Mercy wants to pull him to paradise. The Wrath wants to take him to Allah's, you know, curse and punishment, and they're arguing, right, the the mercy of the angel of wrath and punishment. Listen, he killed 900 People now we got to take the angels of Mercy said no,
he repented, we got to take him. So Allah sends an angel to judge between them and the angel says, measure from the two cities. If he's closer to the bad city, take him back, take him towards Allah's displeasure. And if he's closer the good city, take him to the city of righteousness. Which city was he closer to? He just left, he was going to the one he just left which means he should go towards Allah's punishment. But look how merciful Allah is. He told the bad city move farther. He told the good city move closer. Allah moved to cities to forgive a sinner who killed the 100 people. And then he was go to the city of mercy and He was forgiven. Look
Subhan Allah Allah calls you to forgive you. Let's not let's not put any barriers between us and Allah's mercy and others and Allah's mercy. Let's love for others. Well, we love for ourselves. Let's wish good for everyone. And this is the sad thing because I noticed there's a hatred by which we talk about others. You know, it's just people, there's a lot of hatred. I mean, even if the person is as bad as you say, wish for him good wish for him is sincere repentance, wish for him that it becomes a source of good for humanity. What do you sly, that healing that's going to help that person to go ahead and get that level that they're gonna leave off all of these evil, the best
person that they can in humanity, that's the track record of Islam. It's literally takes drunks fornicators polytheists, and makes them amongst the most righteous and pious you look at Islamic history. Some of the most righteous men in Muslim history before Islam were highway robbers, literally were highway robbers, but they witnessed how those they robbed were behaving in their connection with their religion, they repented. And so you have people who are
are really close to agitate some commas manager manager who also accepted I believe brother Julius Mashallah. He's someone who also accepted Islam you can see him really taking Islam serious and praying in the masjid and him talking about also how agitate is also starting to anything he comes into, he really takes serious and now him being, you can see because now it would have been much harder for him to connect with the Quran. Sure. And now this is kind of, you know, Allah and Allah is wisdom. Inshallah, last month, Allah uses him for the deen for the Dawa, that he's sitting them down and having them connect with the Quran. And he shall he gets out much stronger. And I mean,
there's benefit of everything that happens to the believers is of benefit. We certainly have to believe that and we do and I've seen it in my own life. Allah says, don't think it's bad for you, there's always good, we just have to keep that connection with Allah subhanaw taala. You know, Yusuf Ali Salam was falsely accused, thrown in jail. And how was he described by his companions, we see you amongst the righteous, the time in jail gave him an opportunity to manifest His righteousness to display his righteousness, and then he was liberated. And likewise, when he was liberating the position of power, his brothers came to him didn't know it was his brother, but also as described
him as of the righteous. And that's how we believers have to be righteous, whether in good times or bad times the prophesy sentence of the first people to enter paradise are those who are thankful to let in good times and bad times. That's the nature of this world. So as we close out, tell me now what would you think is a way forward to facilitate some kind of because obviously, in this Romanian system, there's seems like
that justice is not happening is not going to happen. public pressure you talked about you have some success, where you put the media and so we're using the little means that we have others can also, and then also political pressure, absolutely nothing. So a few things. I mean, first, before I jump into that, I really want to emphasize a point for everybody that's watching because Michelle, I think you have a great audience. Many are Muslim, many are not. And those that are watching, that aren't Muslim, sometimes may think Islam isn't for them, because they've committed or they commit all these sins than the Quran advises against and I want people to understand, the Quran advises you
against these sins to protect you to make you the best version of your * point. Yeah. And you know what, no matter how many of these sins you commit, every time you repent to Allah, Allah is willing to forgive you and give you a fresh slate what I want people to understand. Islam is not just for the righteous, we think that to be Muslim, grow out your beard, go for aamra given charity, it must mean you're righteous and if you have any sins and shortcomings, then you're a hypocrite for even doing those righteous things. That's a satanic way of thinking. The pure way of thinking is the reality is Islam is for each and every one of us it is for the sinners. The Prophet himself says
I've said, My intercession is for the people of major sins amongst my Never let your sins and weakness keep you away from Allah rather let drive you to Allah, whatever sins shortcomings you have, let that be motivation. The Prophet said good deeds erase the bad deeds. So it's not as for all of us it is for the sinners don't think you're a hypocrite because you do ABC sin, and now you're thinking of becoming Muslim, or you're Muslim, and you're going to the mosque or you're going for Umrah, listen, you're not a hypocrite, you're a human struggling on their journey to Allah. And that's what Allah asks of us. So keep it up. Don't be hopeless. In terms of this, you know, one of
the cases you had asked me about international cases, and we didn't get again into the detail, but we had a case where the Israelis beat up a Palestinian teenager from Tampa, and they locked them up and they made his face, purple and blue. And this is something that happens normally to the Palestinians at the hands of the Israelis. And you know what? Hamdulillah we expose that video. In the national media here. We create a firestorm viewed millions of times exposing what the Israelis did and handled within a few days, we actually had them released from the prison, and we had them on a flight back to the US and they testified before Congress and the White House even that was
straightforward. I tell you when we met with the White House officials they said this was made possible by the media firestorm you created unfortunately, I think what's working to the Romanian officials advantage is that because
you know, Tate's been so demonized by the by the left and the left has a lot of influence in the US media that there's been a lot more silence you know, you will you have very I mean voices that I've often disagreed with Tucker Carlson speaking out, but you know, he's unfortunately your voice compared to everyone else that is out there. We need isn't I don't know what your point. Is that interesting. Tucker Carlson. He's defending a Muslim now. Right? Right. Right. It's Subhanallah you know, strange times we will not talk much mr. Tyrell and Tucker listen we we may have had or disagree I don't remember if I've been on his show. I don't I don't think so. But but again another
Fox News shows and really I want I want to thank Tucker for speaking up because very principle that is a principal position and it makes perfect sense. And it's important I think more in the media speak out. You know, Romania has to be taught a lesson this isn't this isn't acceptable, just like we did when when that that uh,
Lesbian football player was arrested for having some THC honor, which is ironic, because right now I have criminal defense clients who are arrested for the same thing facing felony charges. So again, even in the US, you know, minorities are going to jail for these things. And overseas, we've helped people get out for these things. But the point is more political pressure, more media pressure. And really we ask people in positions of influence globally, to do what they can, because I'm afraid of the chilling effect. We don't want this message that, you know, a popular person becomes Muslim. And then just within days, almost, he's thrown in jail, and the world isn't able to do anything. And
then the next person in a position of influence is afraid to speak out. And the reality is, let's let's be real, you know, everyone's got some sort of skeletons in their closet. I'm not saying, you know, I certainly don't believe the accusations are true, but no one is perfect, especially if you've grown up as a non Muslim, you've been, you know, drinking and clubbing and this and that, you know, that, in fact, even in the US, let's be real. There's so many felony crimes on the books that they say the average American commits at least three felonies. So it's, I don't want this idea out there, that if you embrace Islam, they can come after you and destroy you and the only one that
stand with you, we have to stand united as an alma for justice as Muslims, but even non Muslims as people who are committed to the rule of law and justice, we have to stand for the principles of liberty and justice and demand due process in the case of the Tate's. Yeah, and we've also this is a very important point because it's not just because Andrew Tay We've also spoken out you have also, you have other people Aafia Siddiqui, for instance.
That's the whole difference, a heartbreaking the office of leaky case, that's a woman now, who is a heartbreaking case. And honestly, shame on the Pakistani government for not taking an active role in seeking her freedom. In fact, they played the opposite role. And in the past, one alone MOQ and the decade after 911, so many Muslims are sold, literally sold to the US government for money. You know, 5000 $10,000, I had some just recently released from Guantanamo after decades.
Without charges, it's a reminder that this dunya is a test because the injustice that happened especially towards them some community in the in the decades since then living is heartbreaking and enraging.
And obviously Kevin, she's been in horrible conditions right now incarcerated in Texas.
Again, the charges don't make sense the evidence doesn't support it. She herself a victim of injustice of torture of abuse. well respected sister. You have heard you have Imam I mean, you know, also facing false charges and decades in jail. Has Won alone. MLK, you have the Holy Land foundation? Yeah. I will work with Miko. pillared about this exactly. I mean, they they supported charities at the UN and the US aid was supporting, but they've been locked up some of them for decades. So you know, Allahumma Stan, we ask Allah subhanaw taala to make us a means of liberty of justice for humanity, and we can have a positive impact. I mean, here in Florida, we had a model
Toba, you know, I visited him in jail, he was locked up his legs were in chains. He was *, you know, facing 20 years in jail allegedly for supporting terrorism. And the community was scared to stand with him handed we stood with him. And through Allah Tofik took the stand and told the judge, Your Honor, if you're going to keep him in jail for 20 years, may as well take me and every other Muslim because the evidence you're using against him could apply to all of us possession of Islamic books, supporting the Quran. So just lock us all up, then you just destroyed the Constitution and pieces lock us all up and handed the judge released him. And if you speak to your mom who told her
now and I think a legal experts, a lot of them say, had we not been as a community courageous enough to stand with them and take the stand, he might still be in jail. To this day, we have to stand against injustice. Be fearless. And remember the greatest act of striving in the path of Allah is to speak truth to tyranny. And that's what we do in sha Allah as devout Muslims as Muslim lawyers and will continue to do so. We ask Allah to grant justice and liberty to the Tate brothers and to all those that are wrongfully incarcerated and make us a means of peace, justice and guidance in this world. Thank you for having me. It's always a pleasure to have you likewise.
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