The Deen Show – Hollywood Actor Invites Justin Bieber to Islam What he found out about JESUS & Christianity
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The speaker discusses the importance of finding the perfect person and pursuing a passion for pursuing a passion for pursuing a passion for. They acknowledge the difficulties of finding the definite message in the Quran and find it difficult to follow. They also discuss the trinity and its potential threat to Islam. They stress the importance of acknowledging and finding the truth in the world and finding connections with God. They also mention the trinity and its potential threat to Islam.
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It's gonna be okay, and I have hope,
and,
I trust God, and,
I trust that this is all gonna
it's all for a reason.
I mentioned his name. Sure.
And he's somebody also who he it seems
like he believes in God. Mhmm. So maybe
if he if he, comes across this video,
maybe he'll look into,
the way of life
that now you you're talking about that's based
on proof and evidence.
Yeah. And,
maybe this, Justin Bieber will also come to
Islam. When I really sit in my room
and I'm alone and I can just, like,
god, are you there? Like, I feel this
connection with something that's a higher being. It
just and picture it as being a perfect
thing. Yeah. It just puts an ease to
my soul that's, like, I can't describe. Special.
It's special. Yeah. Justin Bieber. Yeah. And I
don't mean to be weird and, like No.
This is you're talking to a a a
guy who was raised within the Catholic church.
I went, you know, 10 years of Catholic
school. Weird. Yeah. I went to church every
morning, man, for many, many years. What what
did you did you have any of those
experiences? So first, he's talking, starting off talking
about, like, not being able to trust people
who's wanting something. Right? But then he's talking
about spending that that time alone and higher
presence and Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, SubhanAllah, even
even I think the time that I felt
it the most was when I actually went
the search. Mhmm. Because I think I at
the start,
coming from being an atheist,
I didn't believe in God. Right? And so
at first, I'm looking for proofs and evidences
to believe in God. And so,
you know, I once I accepted that as
a fact, there because that was the start
right there I realized there's a necessity for
the existence of a creator of the universe.
Once you realize that
then looking into religion or looking any further,
you know, even during that time, you know
that if there is a God,
that
you're now doing something for the sake of
him. Even if you don't even if you're
not following a religion yet, I'm going on
this search with the intention to get closer
to God, with the intention to find the
objective truth. And if that objective truth is
God, then I'm asking God to open my
eyes up to that truth. Right? And so
even through this whole search
of not even being religious, I already started
to feel like
it's, it's an internal connection that you have
just knowing that you're working towards getting closer
to somebody. Mhmm. You know? Even though you
don't exactly know
what it is that you're working towards getting
close to, you know it's you know that
whatever the god
is, that you're trying you're you're on a
path
trying to be sincere and get closer to
him. So yeah. And and you can see,
like, when I mentioned these childhood actors who
grow up and they fill that void because
everyone now naturally wants to know why am
I here, why I've been created.
It obviously went through your mind and you
started to search and
you went further. You didn't cover it up
with all the entertainment and everything,
and just numb yourself, and that's what we
see happening. People numb themselves, alcohol, drugs, and
they they don't really investigate, look like you
did, and it leads to
a
these things here and there, but Islam gives
you the antidote and and
helps you to get through all these challenges
of life. Absolutely. So now tell me this,
when you see because that's what the end
goal is. And then people might not worship
the creator,
but then they're worshiping their desires, money, fame,
status.
So in this industry, did you did you
see, like did you go to any parties?
Did you get invited to some of the
after the shoot? Usually, they'll have, like, the
after parties red carpet,
and just observing just observing, you
know, the, demeanor of people, how they were.
What what was your impression on it? Yeah.
Look. I I I've always I think one
thing I've always hated
is one of my biggest pet peeves was
the like, the red carpet. Yeah. Especially the
way like, when we use the word celebrity,
it's almost to me it's almost like what
have you done that's why should we be
celebrating this? You know when you use the
word idol, why are you looking up to
this person? You don't know anything about their
internal
state. Right? They could be the most unhappy
person. You're idolizing them. You wanna become this
person, and they could be absolutely depressed. And,
you know, we see it many times, people
that we might consider idols or that the
public, might consider idols that end up committing
suicide or, you know, you know, damaging themselves
in ways that are are
are so terrible.
And to just to go back on your
point about kind of
people
using whatever it is to distract themselves.
One thing that literally
is what kind of
increased me in my,
ambition towards searching for the truth was, a
quote that I heard.
I can't remember who it was that said
it, but, it was,
imagine that you went to sleep tonight, and
you woke up on a train.
And you had no idea how you got
there Mhmm. Where you were going, those would
be your first questions.
And you would not care about anything else.
If if a server came by and tried
to hand you champagne and people were like,
don't worry about where we're going. It's, you
know, we're we're we're having fun on this
train. You would you would be like, no.
I wanna know where we're going and where
and how I got here
and what how what is going on. Right?
And so
and who put me here? And subhanAllah, that
that is exactly
this life. You know? We've been put here.
We don't know how we got here. We
don't know where we're going. We don't know
what our purpose is.
We don't know why we're here.
And yet, you know, all these all these
illusions and distractions,
whether it's drugs and alcohol, whether it's, you
know, distracting
with media and, you know, finances and materialistic
gains and whatever else whatever our desires our
worldly desires are,
those things
are are simply
distractions Yeah. From and to keep us away
from the real question and to keep us
away from the truth. And so when I
realized, okay, yeah, this makes a lot of
sense. It's the most important question to answer.
There's nothing else that could possibly be a
bigger distraction than not knowing.
Okay. So for the people
who are out there, they see, okay, Hollywood
actor, young young young man, and now he's
thinking about more serious things, purpose of life,
you know, why we've been created, why we're
talking about God and all that, and it
makes sense. So they're they're with you. They're
with us. Okay? But as soon as you
just go deeper and and people start talking
about
Jesus,
the trinity
Mhmm. Or other religions, you know, and and
and in each of these religions
and what I I we call them man
made religions. Why? Because in one way or
another, you're these are things that man has
developed over time, and it forms into creation
worship. So,
this was something unique about your story and
then you'll lose the people and then people
the fitra
rejects this and then people start to associate
all these weird
superstitions, incantations
with the religion. They're like, this stuff is,
like, you know, way out there. It's like
and then they start looking at at all
religions as just weird and whatnot.
So you wanted to poke holes in the
different religions and you started to examine
all the different religions. Yeah. And then you
got to a point you were like either
I'm going to,
you tried so hard not to be Muslim,
and Muslim is simply one who submits his
or her will to God, so it's not
an Arab in the desert or whatnot,
and I'm gonna die knowing it's the truth
or I'm gonna die Muslim.
So what was it about all the other
religions that turned you off and what was
the the the main thing about Islam that
turned you on? Sure, Sure. So for me,
when I started my search, I had basically
a list of 3 criteria Yes. For any
book that claimed to be the word of
God, any religion that claimed to be,
you know, true. Yeah. My 3 words 3
criteria. Yeah. 3 criteria. Number 1 is, the
book needs to be preserved. We need to
have evidence of its preservation. Preservation. Beautiful. You're
thinking logically. Okay? So preservation. So I need
to know that what I'm reading today is
what was revealed or what was the is
in its original form. Yes right number 2
was there can't be a single contradiction
because if God's the author
then you know God couldn't have a single
contradiction. There there couldn't be a contradiction in
this book. Beautiful. Right? And number 3,
there has to be some sort of signs
or evidences
of divine knowledge. Some some something that couldn't
have been known at that time or something
that human beings couldn't understand, but we've later,
through
advances in technology, been able to find out
to be true. Preservation? Yep. No contradictions
and evidence that it's from the creator. Yeah.
It's not just blind faith. Yeah. And so
this is the thing that was my was
kind of the was spearheading my search. And
Reminds me of my journey also. Really? Same
thing. Almost identical. Yes.
I wanted evidence. Yeah. So you believe in
God and then what? They take you down
a dark road of some man made religion.
I don't wanna follow man made I wanna
follow the way of life from the creator.
Absolutely. And so I think for me,
it actually was very easy for most of
these religions. It's very it's very quickly that
you can start to find flaws. Whether it's
in, you know, the Bible or or any
other books or religions, you can find the
flaws in okay. We don't have any proof
this has been preserved. We can see changes
in the bible. We can see changes that
have happened over time with these different religions.
We we can find contradictions, clear cut contradictions.
No. There's no way to reconcile whatsoever,
and we don't and we see sometimes even
in these books things that it speaks about
that it gets wrong. Mhmm. And SubhanAllah. So
for me it was actually very quickly that
I was able to get through a lot
of a lot of religions until really Islam.
Mhmm.
And when I got to Islam,
the first thing I went straight to was
the preservation because for me, if it's not
been preserved,
then that that throws out a lot of
things anyways. Mhmm.
So for me preservation was number 1. And,
I got
when I started to look at okay. Number
1, we have kids that are half of
the Quran
from the age of 10 years old. So
clearly, we can be memorized. For people who
have never heard this word, haf, is what
for the They're able to memorize. Right? They're
able to Memorize the preservers of the Quran.
Preserve the entire Quran word letter by letter
and word by word from memory. Yeah. SubhanAllah.
I don't know there's not a single other
you know religion that had this
in in in it right Number
2, we have a carbon dated manuscripts back
to the lifetime of the prophet Muhammad sallallahu
alaihi wa sallam.
And and, full manuscripts
from only a short time afterwards.
Right?
And so for me, I had hard evidence
from an
imperial,
empiricism
standpoint of, like, okay,
western our western idea of what stands for
evidence. I have carbon dated we have carbon
dated manuscripts. You know you know about those
in in Birmingham. I think right now. Birmingham
manuscript. You know about that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
You're looking at one of the oldest fragments
of the Quran ever discovered.
It's written on parchment,
most likely made from sheep or goat skin.
And it's been dated by experts as being
more than 1300 years old.
And that makes it among the earliest known
fragments of the Quran anywhere in the world,
and it's here in the University of Birmingham.
This remarkable document had been resting on the
shelves of the university library for decades without
anybody realizing just how old it was,
until a researcher
decided to take a closer look. The person
who actually wrote it may well have known
the prophet Mohammed. He would have seen him
probably.
He would maybe have heard him preach.
He may have known him personally
and that really is quite a thought to
conjure with.
Birmingham has one of the country's biggest Muslim
communities,
and they have welcomed having such a treasure
in their city. When I saw these pages,
I was very much moved, and there were
tears of joy
and emotions in my eyes. You've done your
homework. Yeah. And
so so that was one thing plus the
memorization
proved to me that okay
it's it's possible that this has been preserved
right and and it being possible
is enough for me to you know not
say okay I have I have proof it
hasn't been right so this is the thing
is any of these religions I needed proof
it hasn't been not proof that it has
100%
been
just proof that it hasn't been and that
was enough for me to you know if
it's possible that it's been preserved
then that was enough for me to put
it as a point for and not against
right or at least put it in the
middle.
Next came to contradictions.
This is what I spent the most time
upon
was really just trying to find a contradiction
and for me my Google search was literally
proof the Quran is wrong that was it
Contradictions in the Quran. Proof Islam is false.
You're really trying not to be Muslim? No.
Yeah. Of course. I mean, I don't want
to be upon anything that isn't the truth.
Right and so if somebody out there has
found a reason why Islam is false I
want to listen to them I want to
be convinced by them
because we know I mean it's no question
what it means
there's a lot of sacrifices that you have
to make there's a lot of restrictions that
you you have to follow so you've listened
to a lot of these Islamophobes' career people
who are in it just for, you know,
all day and night. They don't call people
to their religion, Christianity, or whatever religion. They
just spend all their effort on trying to
disprove Islam. You listen to a lot of
those. It's sad. Yeah. It it really is.
It's almost like
you said it. Right? You said it. They
basically their entire life mission is to disprove
Islam and not even to prove their own
religion. Uh-huh. Even we see ex Muslims
that will like make their entire
entire,
YouTube channel about not being an ex Muslim
and it's like their whole identity is the
fact that they left Islam.
Like something there already tells you that there's
there's not that much sincerity and more a
emotional hatred or
dislike with,
with Islam or Muslims whatever it may be.
Yeah. And even most of these ex Muslims
they never actually
practiced Islam. They never searched into Islam. And
even if you listen to their arguments of
why they left Islam or why they dislike
Islam a lot of the times it's purely
emotional it's purely this is happening here or
this like and it's it has nothing to
do with a logical conclusion. Yeah. Okay. Let's
go back to, before you, you were talking
about contradictions, but let's give them a real
life example. Now. You
are,
are you Arab? No. I'm not. Are you
fluent in Arabic? I'm not fluent in Arabic.
No. Neither am I. I'm not Arab,
But you're going to go ahead and when
we talk about preservation,
every Muslim,
one who is submitted to the will of
God is a Muslim, as I said before,
and Islam is submitted to the will of
God, is striving to preserve,
to memorize some of the Quran.
Mhmm. And their prayers
and and then the different, surahs that we
have. Right. You've already memorized some of the
Quran.
Can you go ahead and share some of
the memorization with the opening chapter, the Al
Fatiha? Oh, sure. Sure. Can you recite that
for us? Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Yes.
So this is how the Quran we have
we often have a a saying that you
can take all the books
in the world, throw them in the ocean,
lock them up in a safe, Get rid
of all of them.
And if they're gone, you wouldn't be able
to bring them back, but that's how the
Quran has been preserved. It's the only
text that you can actually bring back with
people like this who are memorizing it and
reciting it. Not Arabs. The Quran is eternal.
Literally,
it's eternal.
Eternal there's nothing other than Allah subhanahu wa
ta'ala that could stop the Quran from being
preserved and if people would just take the
meaning of this verse
it's calling upon the creator for guidance Yeah.
Acknowledging, you know, obviously the the meaning and
everything, and it's like it's almost like somewhat
like the the Lord's prayer. Yeah. You know,
Lord's prayer. Oh, our father, who art in
heaven, hallowed be thy kingdom come. Thy thy
will be done. This is thy will be
done is Islam. Right? Submission to the will
of God.
It's it's it's it's amazing.
So we gave them example of preservation,
the contradictions. You're talking about finding no contradictions.
Now you have people try to, you know,
like, these they'll bring something up and then
they don't go to an expert and then
they'll think, oh, I got you here, but
you got through all that also, all those
games that they play on. Yeah. So it's
tough. It's tough to do. Like, I'll be
honest. Having the amount of free time that
I did
is really what helped me. I don't know
how I would have I I I don't
know how I would have navigated it. It's
really tough to navigate because you have so
many people, especially in,
non debate contexts.
Right? Where you're just it's just one guy
in his room or wherever it may be
speaking
whatever he wants to speak to a camera.
And if enough people want to listen and
hear and if it makes enough people happy,
they'll get views. Right? And people will believe
it even though no one's fact checked him.
No one's no one of knowledge has actually
come to, you know, debate or counter his
arguments.
He's simply just a random guy speaking for
all anybody knows. Right?
So for me, I literally had to do
what what you're saying is I had to,
you know,
listen to a guy, whatever he says,
however wrong it may be. I didn't know
it was wrong. So I would listen to
him, then I would go and find the
counterargument.
Yeah. Right? For for every single video or
every single article that I was reading, I
would find the counterargument, and then I would
find the counter to the counterargument,
and then I would go back and forth
and keep doing this until I came to
my own decision on what seemed the most
rational and and logical opinion.
And then once that that singular topic was
was clarified for me, I would move on
to the next one. And I would just
do this. And this is what literally took
me. I've spent 6, 7 hours a day
for 4 or 5 months, doing this locked
in my room, just research. Were you within
yourself,
asking, seeking, saying guide me in in whatever
words you were saying? Were you asking
however you called upon the creator for guidance?
Yeah. You know, personally, I wasn't even I
don't think it was an out loud thing,
but in In your heart internally. Yeah. Internally.
Absolutely.
Internally, I I I knew that look I
whatever the whatever
this journey leads me to, whatever I I
end up upon,
I know that I've been searching for a
connection with God. I know I've been searching
for the truth. Now when you say God,
in your heart, were you saying, okay.
Jesus, Mohammed, were you calling upon I was
calling upon the creator of the world. The
creator. That's it. The creator of the universe.
That's it.
How whatever and however that,
was, I didn't know. But And I and
I always tell people that's the simple thing
to do. It's simple homework. It's call upon
the one who created you. Yeah. As soon
as you put an intermediate between you and
god, you messed it up. Yeah. Yeah. So
this is something that, again, goes with the
innate nature. Call upon the one who created
the one that Jesus prayed to. Let's talk
about Jesus, so Oh, please. Now talk to
me here. You talk about also this journey.
You,
and this is in no way disrespecting our
our our brothers and sisters out there of
any other religions. We're just pointing out some
of the obvious to have people to think
and
your love for Jesus. We often say that,
you know, Jesus, peace be upon him, when
you accept Islam, you truly know his message,
you truly love him, his blessed mother.
What's your relationship with with Jesus is now,
and why didn't you end up like Justin
Bieber taking Jesus as God? Right.
Yes, pal. So I didn't I because I
didn't come from a Christian background, I kind
of,
I I was I was waiting to I
was still needing to be convinced by Christianity.
Whereas, you know, many people who maybe come
from Christianity or are born into a Christian
household, that love for Jesus or that, you
know, that experience of having Jesus' name spoken
all around the house and stuff and everywhere
you go is already there for them. So
for me, my first really okay. Who is
Jesus? You know? Obviously, I hear hear him
spoken about in some songs and whatever it
may be, and I know what Christianity is.
But, who is this guy Jesus? You know?
And why do Christians believe that he's God?
And so when I started to do my
research, especially into the bible, you know, going
through those three things, preservation,
no contradictions,
and
divine knowledge or some sort
of evidences of being from the creator.
I found with Christianity
you know I was I was having a
hard time with those things but one thing
I did find interesting was the fact that
you have different accounts of the same guy,
Isa alaihis salam or Jesus Christ's life. Right?
You have the same you have people saying
that he spread a certain message, that he,
you know, performed miracles,
that he was, you know,
preaching and and and trying to
spread a message.
And so for me, that still seemed interesting.
Okay. You have different accounts of the same
man. They're all saying the same thing or
similar things.
While I found contradictions in them that didn't
negate the fact that
these are this there's still some evidences or
truth to this.
And so,
the more that I started to really
at the start, I veered away from Christianity.
I said, okay. I I can't really follow
this because it hasn't been preserved, and there's
contradictions. I can't I can't believe that this
is exactly from God. Alright. Stop right there.
So, you you figured out,
that Matthew didn't write Matthew, Luke didn't write
Luke. People, of course, call the gospel books
Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Well, they call
them Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John because we
don't know who wrote these books, and there's
no point calling them Sam, Fred, Jerry, and
Harry. I mean, they're they're written by people.
We don't know who they were written by.
They are anonymous. You might not think so
because they have the title, the gospel according
to Matthew. Whoever put that title on it
was an editor later. The followers of Jesus
were Aramaic
speaking peasants from Galilee,
lower class men who were not
educated.
In fact, Peter and John in Acts chapter
4 verse 13 are literally said to be
illiterate.
They couldn't read and write. Of course not.
They were fishermen. They didn't go to school.
The vast majority of people in the ancient
world never learned to read, let alone write,
and their native language was Aramaic. These books
are written in Greek
by highly educated,
rhetorically trained
writers who are skilled in Greek composition. Yeah.
The 4 gospels, our anonymous books, you figured
all this out. Yes. These are Christian scholars
telling us. Yes. Yes. Christian scholars. And this
is the thing, it's
like, Christians will
unknowledgeable
Christians
will
not know this, but knowledgeable Christians will stipulate
that. Your homework. Yeah. So you figured that
out. Okay. And then you give an example
of the,
you talk about the trinity not making sense.
Yeah. Can you touch upon that? Yeah. Sure.
For me, I mean, there's just the idea
of
3 all powerful,
beings, but 1 are all powerful. To me,
number 1 didn't make sense. Number 2, when
I started to really look into you know,
I I came back to starting to look
at Christianity a second time,
closer to the end of my search before
getting to Islam.
And that's when I really started to see
these,
Christian and Muslim debates. And when I started
to see these debates,
a lot of the time they would speak
about, okay,
this this guy Jesus couldn't have been God.
You know? Number 1, he says,
none knows,
the hour except the father. Right?
And so right away, if you have 3
if you're speaking about a trinity where there
are 3 all powerful, coequal,
but one all powerful, then they should all
have the same knowledge. They should be all
all knowledgeable, all wise. Yet, you know, Esalai
Salam didn't know the hour. He he goes
to look at a a a a he
he sees a tree Tree. From a from
a distance and says, let me go over
to see if there's some fruits, and he
only has to walk up to the tree
to see that there's no fruits on the
tree. These these are not attributes of an
all knowledge. And this is no disrespect to
Jesus. No. No. We're not. No.
This is pointing out the obvious Yeah. That
he's not all knowing, that he didn't claim
to be God. He sought guidance from his
creator Yeah. Put his head on the ground.
Right? He's depicted Prayed like Muslims. Yeah. Prayed
like Muslims. He's depicted even even though like
of course we don't depict any of our
prophets. He's depicted by the Christians wearing white
thobe with a beard.
To me it was like Saying Assalamu Alaikum.
Yeah. Yeah.
SubhanAllah.
To me it was just like All
the signs are pointing you to is to
Islam. To Islam. Him being a Muslim. So
that was even my first like oh what
is what is Islam? Because honestly, Islam wasn't
even
on my radar in terms of a religion
that I was gonna take seriously and search
and search like and go down until this
until it's seen