Tariq Ramadan – Islamic Ethics How we Know Right and Wrong #4B

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			Okay. About your question on
		
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			you know,
		
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			that's,
		
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			of course, you know,
		
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			in a book that is going to come,
		
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			which is
		
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			about
		
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			contemporary
		
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			Islamic
		
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			reformers.
		
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			It was written a long time ago in
		
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			French. It's going to be published now
		
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			in the coming year in English.
		
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			I'm talking about Said and Norsin.
		
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			I'm also talking about, some of the reformists.
		
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			And, you know, when they are dealing on
		
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			the ground,
		
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			there is a strategy for him for them
		
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			is how do we go towards a practical
		
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			reform?
		
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			And it's normal they would say, for example,
		
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			it was set by side in North Sea,
		
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			one of the first in the 20th century,
		
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			and then you can even find this with
		
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			Hassan El Bandein, the way he was thinking
		
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			of changing.
		
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			I start with the individual, and then the
		
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			family, and then the society, and then the
		
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			state. It's what
		
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			we call the gradualist approach.
		
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			My point on this is that we have
		
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			to be very clear.
		
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			A gradualist
		
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			approach
		
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			has a meaning
		
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			and could be efficient
		
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			only if we start with the cosmological
		
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			overall view.
		
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			That's very important, is is what do we
		
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			want to achieve? How where are we heading?
		
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			So the problem that I have with many
		
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			activists
		
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			is that at the end, they're so active.
		
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			They are responding to so many practical challenges
		
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			in free term, for example, that at the
		
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			end the overall picture is lost.
		
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			So we are ending up in a competition
		
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			for power, in a competition
		
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			for efficiency,
		
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			that you can be efficient
		
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			at a specific time, very pragmatic,
		
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			but at the end, what is the what
		
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			is the what are you trying to do?
		
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			And and
		
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			the measurement of success is also very important.
		
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			Because if at the end, you are counting
		
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			how many people you are training
		
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			and how many families. And say, oh, it's
		
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			very successful. It's a question of number. So
		
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			it might be that the number of individuals,
		
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			it's not reflecting
		
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			the overall vision of the project.
		
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			You know, when you for example, even like
		
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			this is
		
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			in a discussion that I,
		
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			I had on Islamic schools. At the end,
		
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			you are training people, and you are training,
		
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			children,
		
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			and it's an Islamic school. But at the
		
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			end, the technicality
		
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			of setting the Islamic school is
		
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			undermining the very essence of the philosophy
		
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			of Islamic teaching.
		
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			So there is a distortion.
		
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			This is why you always have to check
		
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			your intention. Within this, you can put family,
		
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			but I don't want to start talking about
		
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			family. Family is essential,
		
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			but not in the way we are putting
		
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			in. Everywhere you go, you know, family is
		
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			essential.
		
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			Family yes, that's fine, but tell me, how
		
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			are you going in this world today to
		
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			speak about the big picture? How do you
		
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			get and how do you set a family?
		
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			Because, willing it or not, today, family is
		
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			a jihad.
		
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			To set a family is just, welcome to
		
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			the world of jihad. It's going to be
		
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			tough.
		
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			I'm gonna have to say to people when
		
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			they are going to get married, you know
		
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			what? It's a new jihad.
		
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			So it's love, but
		
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			a jihad of love is
		
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			it's you know,
		
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			I'm serious,
		
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			but this has to come with the big
		
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			picture.
		
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			So I don't want that. My question here
		
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			is, I want to come to practical
		
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			discussion through the overall thing, because my main
		
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			concern today is I have been working at
		
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			the grassroots level with so many people who
		
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			are so active that we are losing the
		
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			the the the way and the objective. And
		
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			more than that is that,
		
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			at the end, if you enter into discussions
		
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			with other trends, for example,
		
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			literally Salafi
		
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			or,
		
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			Mutasa Wifun,
		
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			if you don't have this in mind, it's
		
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			very, very
		
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			easy
		
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			to divide and to experience fracture on details
		
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			where at the end the overall picture is
		
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			much more important than that.
		
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			So so this is this is my take
		
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			on that.
		
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			You know, I always when I was asked,
		
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			when I was to go to the States,
		
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			they were asking for an activist scholar.
		
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			And this is exactly what I want. I
		
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			want I want to reconcile university
		
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			with society,
		
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			with the city.
		
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			This is what I want, but not at
		
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			the price
		
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			of the knowledge that is necessary to be
		
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			an activist and not at the price of
		
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			activism
		
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			being lost because we are worshipping knowledge.
		
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			There's a loisortilla in this.
		
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			That's essential.
		
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			I, of course, don't buy the theory,
		
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			which is based on,
		
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			utilitarianism
		
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			from the starting point, is how in fact
		
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			everything
		
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			in
		
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			the human being
		
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			behavior, which also is based on theories that
		
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			we have in
		
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			behaviorism.
		
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			There
		
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			is something which has to do with
		
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			a psychological
		
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			theory which is also based on this. In
		
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			fact,
		
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			what is driving you, the driving force,
		
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			the motives of everything you do, is self
		
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			interest.
		
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			This is why I told you,
		
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			if you don't start
		
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			with a deep
		
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			not only saying it, not only stating it,
		
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			but understand the deep understanding
		
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			of the
		
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			first truth, which is La ilaha illallah,
		
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			which is the tawhid,
		
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			you are going to be lost in this
		
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			discussion,
		
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			because this is the starting point, saying, no,
		
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			there is nothing like truth. It's all about
		
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			useful
		
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			means to achieve
		
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			self interest.
		
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			So what you are looking in psychological terms
		
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			is this peace. So the way you are
		
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			going to define peace is the way it's
		
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			going to be useful for yourself.
		
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			So instead of
		
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			having an axis which is la ilaha illallah,
		
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			it's the self, which is the axis of
		
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			everything,
		
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			the self,
		
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			to the point that when you say, for
		
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			example, in economic terms because this is used
		
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			also within economics by saying: You know what?
		
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			At the end, what is the driving force
		
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			of
		
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			economy?
		
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			It's going to be profit. Why is it
		
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			profit? Because every human being is trying to
		
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			find its self interest. So it could be
		
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			in psychological terms or it could be in
		
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			financial terms. So it's the
		
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			same. So the very center,
		
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			the center of gravity of the whole system,
		
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			is the person,
		
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			not the truth. So
		
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			I have no scientific
		
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			means
		
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			to show that it is wrong.
		
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			But my take on the truth is to
		
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			say: That's wrong.
		
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			It's in fact I'm not only driven
		
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			by my self interest, there is something that
		
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			was put by God which is calling me
		
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			back. 'Yehayu
		
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			Haledinah'em
		
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			and 'U' is come back, come back to
		
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			the origin.
		
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			It has nothing to do with interest. It
		
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			has to do with destiny.
		
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			It has to do with the very essence
		
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			of my being.
		
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			So the only answer that you can get
		
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			to this,
		
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			to
		
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			utilitarianism,
		
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			is not to try to go to the
		
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			moral and say, you know what, not everything
		
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			in our ethical framework is about pleasure
		
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			or hardship.'
		
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			No, that's this issue is you are entering
		
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			into the paradigm that they are setting for
		
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			you.
		
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			So my take on this is I'm questioning
		
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			the very system
		
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			based on the definition of the self. I'm
		
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			sorry that's not the way I see it.
		
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			Why? Because my definition of the self is
		
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			coming from a deep understanding of this relationship
		
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			between the transcendence
		
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			and my presence,
		
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			which is not based on this,
		
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			To the point
		
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			that even in the way
		
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			I have to think about
		
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			il geno and nahr,
		
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			paradise and hellfire.
		
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			It's something which is a step.
		
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			We need to get that. It's a step.
		
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			It shouldn't be the final understanding.
		
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			Some we are asking Allah. We are asking
		
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			you, Allahum manas alukaljannah.
		
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			We're asking you the paradise.
		
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			But we need to be very cautious with
		
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			not ending this. And the Khayyam al Jazia
		
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			was saying this supplication
		
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			is the starting point of the spiritual journey.
		
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			It's imam I tajir.
		
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			It's the imam of the trader.
		
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			I do this, give me that.
		
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			Am I going to tell you about the
		
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			trade that is going to save you?
		
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			This is the starting point. It could not
		
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			be the last one. Why? Because the highest
		
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			level is an ihsan.
		
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			Not the way we are translating the hadith
		
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			that you've worshipped Allah as if you were
		
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			seeing him, because if you don't
		
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			see him, he's seeing you. And we are
		
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			transforming this into something which is a guilty
		
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			approach, which is: Be careful. He sees you
		
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			when you are doing wrong.
		
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			That's not the meaning of the hadith al
		
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			Hassan. It's he's with you wherever you are.
		
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			He's with you, so talk to him.
		
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			No. Remember that he's here. He's every time,
		
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			wherever you are, he's with you. He's close
		
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			to you, closer to the jugular vein.
		
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			This it's important why,
		
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			because at the end his presence
		
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			with you is not the presence
		
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			of
		
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			this nurturing a sense of guilt,
		
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			but
		
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			nurturing a sense of
		
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			meaning,
		
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			a sense of destination,
		
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			coming back to him. Not for your self
		
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			interest because the highest level,
		
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			fearing
		
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			this loving,
		
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			reverential love that we have, as if we
		
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			are seeing you. And this,
		
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			that the highest level of our spiritual journey
		
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			is to see you as you are, not
		
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			paradise.
		
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			Sorry?
		
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			It's a pleasure. Yes, but once again, once
		
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			again, you are transforming this into the
		
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			utilitarianist
		
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			framework, and I'm rejecting it from the very
		
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			beginning.
		
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			That's even more than pleasure.
		
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			This is salvation.
		
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			You get the difference?
		
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			What they are saying in terms of pleasure,
		
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			I'm saying this is to be saved in
		
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			the name of the truth and the truth
		
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			calling me back to the origin.
		
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			They cannot get that, because they are transforming
		
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			me into a set of emotions
		
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			that are driving me. I'm not driven by
		
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			emotion,
		
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			to the point that my spiritual journey is
		
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			going to be sometimes
		
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			something which is going to
		
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			push me to get something which is not
		
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			going to come in the whole journey,
		
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			it's
		
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			sacrificing yourself.
		
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			What if you say,
		
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			I'm giving my life?
		
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			They will translate this, oh, because you think
		
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			that the pleasure after will be better than
		
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			the pleasure here.' So this is a translation
		
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			of everything into a
		
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			very materialistic
		
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			emotional
		
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			description of the self,
		
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			which is not what we are talking about.
		
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			So this is why I'm saying the starting
		
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			point, it's not in trying to show that
		
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			we are accepting hardship.
		
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			The starting point is: where is your truth?
		
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			Are you at the center or God is
		
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			at the center?
		
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			If God is at the center, all this
		
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			theory is not working.
		
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			Because behind this theory you know what you
		
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			find?
		
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			That God
		
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			is a human creation.
		
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			That's it.
		
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			It's a human creation, that you are creating
		
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			God and then you put the you explain
		
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			where you are going to find pleasure
		
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			and hardship, and then you construct the whole
		
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			thing.
		
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			Because from the other side,
		
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			this is why sometimes people are saying, do
		
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			we really need God?'
		
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			I said, this is not my question.
		
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			I'm not talking about God as I'm in
		
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			need
		
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			of creating him.
		
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			It's the very essence. This is the truth.
		
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			So the starting point is an act of
		
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			faith.
		
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			It's a good question because this is where
		
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			in entering into this discussion you have to
		
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			position yourself.
		
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			Are you falling into the trap of accepting
		
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			that everything in your life is based on
		
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			pleasure
		
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			and rejecting or avoiding hardship, which is the
		
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			starting point of
		
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			utilitarianism,
		
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			which is an ideology,
		
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			an ideology that is saying, at the center,
		
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			that God is not the center,
		
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			or creating an understanding of religion.
		
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			Because sometimes you can have people, and they
		
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			say, God exists,
		
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			but all the religions are produced
		
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			by this type of understanding.
		
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			Who said that?
		
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			At the beginning when he started to leave,
		
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			he was a believer first, Nietzsche said that,
		
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			and step by step he went to destroy
		
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			the church and die, then, kill God. God
		
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			is dead.
		
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			It's what he did.
		
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			But I would say that
		
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			I am taking time for this question because
		
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			it's a critical one. But I want you
		
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			to understand that in all what I said
		
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			today,
		
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			it's the first thing that I said, which
		
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			is my answer.
		
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			From an onset, accept the initial premises of
		
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			an article? Yes, that's a good question, but
		
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			this is what I exactly try to do,
		
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			is
		
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			if you are talking about being Cartesian,
		
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			and it's true, you have to be
		
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			not
		
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			what I'm saying
		
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			is not
		
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			rationalistic,
		
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			but it's not irrational.
		
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			You have to put in a rational way
		
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			where your act of faith
		
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			starts and what it means.
		
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			So you start with: this is the truth,
		
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			and this is the system. This is my
		
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			cosmology.
		
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			You might disagree with it,
		
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			but this is something which not only
		
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			I think with my mind,
		
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			but I am experiencing it with my heart.
		
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			This is the truth for me.
		
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			So you put the others into a situation
		
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			where they cannot start but with mutual respect,
		
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			because they don't have the means to destroy
		
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			this,
		
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			except by destroying the whole the first truth,
		
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			by saying, okay, that's fine, but this is
		
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			your position.
		
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			And then, in all the construction and the
		
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			discussion,
		
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			to be also able, in your own
		
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			system,
		
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			to be able to take a few things
		
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			which are right. In fact, it's true.
		
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			For us,
		
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			who is the one
		
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			that is pushing you only to think about
		
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			your self interest?
		
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			Who is the one which in yourself
		
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			is pushing you to just follow the interest?
		
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			A shaitan.
		
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			And a shaitan for you could be something
		
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			that you but even a shaitan
		
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			is working on what?
		
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			It's working on your natural state. Right? It's
		
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			in you.
		
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			So
		
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			it's in fact denying God
		
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			and only taking the way you are and
		
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			stressing on one dimension of your being.
		
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			But you understand what I mean is not
		
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			to reject everything and say, I understand exactly
		
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			what you are saying, but in my system,
		
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			this is there.
		
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			This is
		
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			in zuie nalynas, Hobbeshe Hawat, which is, I'm
		
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			following my interests.
		
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			And everything which is coming from my truth
		
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			is your interests are natural,
		
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			your spirituality
		
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			is to master them.
		
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			It has to do with this: I'm calling
		
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			you to mastering, to controlling the self.
		
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			Okay?
		
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			So
		
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			once again,
		
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			positioning yourself in your own cosmology
		
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			without denying that in the system of the
		
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			other, there is something which is right, but
		
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			not the way it's central. It's the way
		
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			it's at the periphery of the whole system.
		
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			What you make central, it's peripheral
		
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			for me.
		
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			But it's there. I understand that.
		
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			Okay, so I'm I'm Can I make a
		
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			deadline?
		
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			I don't know. I don't
		
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			Okay. So keep them, and we'll have time
		
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			to talk about
		
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			Not on not on that specific, no? So
		
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			so you can say something you want? You
		
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			want to say I've read it, and, he
		
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			offers a kind of third way. But there's
		
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			some on discussion. Okay.
		
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			A third way. Okay.
		
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			Good.
		
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			What I was saying,
		
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			the verse.
		
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			No. What I was mentioning here is that
		
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			we have to be very careful.
		
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			It's once again your intention.
		
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			It's,
		
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			your children,
		
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			your money,
		
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			and your children
		
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			are gifts.
		
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			And And what you have to do with
		
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			the gift is al baqiyat su salihadu. What
		
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			is the best is still your good behavior.
		
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			It doesn't mean that per se your
		
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			money
		
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			and your
		
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			children
		
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			are
		
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			negative. They are
		
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			becoming
		
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			negative
		
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			if they
		
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			divert you from 2 things:
		
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			being with Allah
		
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			and doing good.
		
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			This is what I'm saying. So sometimes you
		
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			look at your own children,
		
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			you are so obsessed with their education
		
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			that at the end
		
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			the love for them
		
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			takes precedence
		
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			over the love of him,
		
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			which is the Abrahamic experience. Be careful.
		
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			And then the second is the money
		
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			be careful, the money is by the means.
		
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			If it becomes
		
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			an end, that's the end of it.
		
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			Yes? And remember the powerful words of the
		
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			prophet
		
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			'Likum, Likuli'u'mmatin
		
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			fitna wa fitna to ummatinmal.'
		
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			My the test for my community is going
		
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			to be money.
		
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			And if you look at our situation today,
		
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			that's the reality of it.
		
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			So, because
		
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			is it not crazy
		
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			to see how much resources
		
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			we have
		
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			in the Middle East with this,
		
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			Gulf States and the way we are
		
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			wasting,
		
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			corrupting everything,
		
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			they have everything that is needed to change
		
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			the world for the better.
		
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			And it's for Sault Ste. George, the economist,
		
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			saying, 'If only these Muslims
		
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			were just abiding by their own rules, we
		
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			wouldn't have this corrupt
		
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			neoliberal system around the world,
		
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			killing people through the debt.
		
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			That's what she's saying, and saying to Muslims,
		
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			'just abide by your own
		
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			standards.' Anyway,
		
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			another discussion. So,
		
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			the promised land.
		
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			No, for us
		
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			there is no promised land.
		
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			The world is for
		
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			all the human beings. And then we have
		
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			to be very cautious in
		
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			there is something in the notion
		
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			of promised land, the way they are translating
		
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			it, which was in the past coming back
		
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			to the origin,
		
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			that it's not the property
		
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			of the Jews, it's for everybody.
		
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			And then what we have here as an
		
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			understanding coming from the Koran
		
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			is that
		
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			it was the moral election.
		
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			It's not the Jews the way now the
		
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			Zionists are translating this into
		
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			a cultural,
		
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			racial,
		
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			and blood belonging.
		
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			And for us, once again, the whole is.
		
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			And this is where we have to start
		
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			with a clear
		
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			religious answer to this. The holy sites
		
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			should be open to everyone,
		
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			for the Christians, for the Jews, and for
		
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			the Muslims.
		
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			So it's not to come back as Muslims
		
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			and to destroy and to take over.
		
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			No. It's to open it up
		
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			and to make it and to refuse that
		
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			there is something called
		
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			a Jewish state only for Jewish people
		
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			and no others. So this is
		
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			transforming
		
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			the moral election
		
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			into a physical election,
		
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			which is a type of shirk.
		
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			And if you end up worshiping the land,
		
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			not knowing that this land is for everybody,
		
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			this is the very distortion of the Promised
		
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			Land. The Promised Land is the source from
		
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			where the moral teaching should be taught, and
		
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			this is why the Promised Land for all
		
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			of us is this coexistence that we need,
		
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			and especially an Alqoz.
		
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			Al Quds is not for the Muslims
		
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			to take over and to deny the rights
		
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			of the other. It's exactly the opposite. And
		
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			this is where
		
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			our promised land should be the shared land,
		
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			as the world and the earth should be.
		
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			To the point even for ourselves, can you
		
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			imagine that among the privileges that the prophet,
		
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			was
		
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			mentioning for Muslims
		
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			was that
		
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			the earth, the entire earth is a mosque.
		
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			This is why you pray.
		
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			So, there is nothing that you can just
		
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			reduce
		
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			to this.
		
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			Al Makkah
		
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			is specific because
		
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			it's
		
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			a space of al Haram. It's
		
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			something which is the center of the it's
		
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			a mosque which has
		
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			specific boundaries here, but
		
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			we never are talking about it as the
		
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			Promised Land.
		
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			We're not talking about this. This is from
		
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			where the center, the spiritual teaching should come,
		
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			and this is Doreiblas. This is giving us
		
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			the direction.
		
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			That's a very good question about Ichthyad,
		
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			not
		
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			because the others were not good questions.
		
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			That's
		
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			a good question among the good questions. Anyway,
		
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			this was not my point.
		
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			It's not because I'm opening
		
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			up Ishthihar
		
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			that I'm making it, you know,
		
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			accessible to everybody. No.
		
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			When it comes to the texts, the scriptural
		
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			sources, I'm quite clear. Not everybody can deal
		
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			with the scriptural sources. You cannot do this.
		
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			You need to be equipped
		
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			as much as when it comes to translating
		
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			from the text. So this is why, for
		
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			example,
		
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			we are taking this notion and we want
		
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			to train people on this notion,
		
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			on this notion
		
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			which is specific. And by the way, if
		
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			you are interested, let us know about this
		
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			because we want to have we are creating
		
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			now a network of students around the world
		
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			through the we have CAAN, which is the
		
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			Keil alumni network around the world, people who
		
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			are following the summer schools that we're having
		
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			around the world and trying to create a
		
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			network of people
		
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			at least sharing some of the principles, and
		
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			being able to come to the debate. In
		
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			this discussion,
		
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			what we are saying is that ishtehad is
		
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			not only a legal thing. It's not only
		
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			dealing with the text. When it comes to
		
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			dealing with the text, of course,
		
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			not
		
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			all the Muslims, the average Muslim, is not
		
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			going to know how to deal with this
		
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			text, and you have to be equipped.
		
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			But when it comes to the translation
		
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			in the world, for example,
		
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			you have to be equipped with the world.
		
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			So, for example,
		
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			how are you going to accept
		
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			an ishtihad, a vahalem
		
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			in a field where he's not equipped
		
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			and he's going to no, we need the
		
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			ishtihad of a medical doctor, for example, and
		
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			we'll talk about this. And this is normal.
		
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			They started to do this in the eighties
		
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			with medical physicians and scholars coming together.
		
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			So in some issues you need a shared
		
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			ishtihad
		
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			with collective and shared,
		
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			parity councils, for example, where they come together.
		
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			And then in some issues, when it comes
		
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			to the cosmology,
		
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			to the philosophy of life, what we are
		
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			talking about here. The oulama, the shuyor, the
		
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			folkaha
		
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			are not going to do to be able
		
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			to make it themselves.
		
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			So depending on the field, there are different
		
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			types of ishtihad
		
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			requirement requiring
		
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			different
		
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			competences and skills that is going to be
		
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			but we need to
		
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			add the competences
		
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			and not to think that HSDI added only
		
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			about the legal. I don't want this reduction
		
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			of the concept to the legal.
		
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			So, this was your question?
		
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			Yes.
		
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			So,
		
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			what you are saying about civilization,
		
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			the Western civilization is ahead,
		
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			you have we have 2 ways of
		
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			dealing with this,
		
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			to look at the West and say, yes,
		
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			in
		
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			economic,
		
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			industrialized,
		
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			scientific terms, no one can deny the fact
		
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			that the West is ahead.
		
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			Lots of means, lots of power,
		
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			and by the way, we also now have
		
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			to reassess the West, because
		
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			very soon in many, many fields what is
		
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			coming from Asia, from China, from India, from
		
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			Japan,
		
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			is competing with what we call the West
		
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			now. Where are the Muslims,
		
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			and where is the Islamic civilization?
		
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			You have 2 ways to think about that.
		
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			One way is: they are ahead, let us
		
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			enter into the competition and try to be
		
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			as good as they are with the same
		
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			means,
		
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			with the same sciences,
		
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			with the same and show, for example, as
		
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			we are we will be talking about it
		
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			this afternoon or later this morning, about economics,
		
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			and we are competing
		
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			with the same means
		
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			and trying to achieve the same goal.
		
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			Or maybe to take a step back and
		
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			say:
		
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			no, our contribution now, it's not into competing
		
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			the waiters,
		
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			It's to propose something else, because the way
		
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			it is is not good. It's not good
		
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			for humanity.
		
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			Do we have? So this is another way
		
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			of looking at it. My take on this
		
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			is what I'm saying is that
		
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			what I want us to be as, for
		
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			example,
		
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			Western Muslims,
		
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			It's our contribution and the added value of
		
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			our presence.
		
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			It's not to compete by showing that we
		
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			are
		
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			as citizen as the other, as westernized as
		
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			the other, very integrated in everything, to the
		
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			point that our rate of divorce is exactly
		
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			the same, so we are very much integrated.
		
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			That's the reality of it. That's the reality
		
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			of it, that if you the people are
		
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			saying you are not integrating. Just look at
		
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			the rates in the divorce. No, the statistics.
		
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			We are now coming close.
		
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			Welcome.
		
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			I'm not going that way.
		
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			My point is and by this by by
		
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			saying this, I'm not dismissing,
		
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			and there is nothing which, in in my
		
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			discussion here, is looking at the West in
		
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			a decadent way. We I'm a Western
		
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			citizen. I I look at my societies
		
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			as something which is destroying families, destroying,
		
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			the very essence of some common principles that
		
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			we have. Where
		
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			then, should lie my contribution and the added
		
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			value of my presence?
		
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			Where?
		
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			In something which is questioning the paradigm,
		
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			questioning the very essence of what it is,
		
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			not waiting for it to collapse, because I'm
		
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			going to collapse with it,
		
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			but to be
		
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			a force within,
		
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			questioning, for example, all these discussions that we
		
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			have with atheists, agnostics,
		
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			or economists, or scientists that are reducing everything
		
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			to
		
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			the materialistic
		
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			side of the
		
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			equation. This is what I want.
		
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			So do we have this
		
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			in fact, today
		
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			we have the knowledge,
		
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			we have the skills, we have the young
		
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			generation,
		
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			But too often the young generation
		
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			wants to enter within the society. They want
		
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			to enter within the society by proving that
		
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			they are
		
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			acceptable
		
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			and they can do as good as the
		
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			other.
		
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			But that's not my point. I don't want
		
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			us to do as good as or as
		
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			bad as,
		
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			but to do it differently,
		
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			to ask other questions, to question the question,
		
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			to question the system.
		
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			For example, when I was writing the
		
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			Arab awakening,
		
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			the people wanted me to say, You know
		
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			what? We are for democracy, so let us
		
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			export the Western democracy there. I'm sorry.
		
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			I don't want this Western democracy to go
		
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			there, because I live in Western democracy and
		
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			have some problem about the real
		
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			efficiency of what the democratic
		
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			process is in our country, as I said
		
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			yesterday, because that's not working as well. We
		
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			have to improve. We have to come with
		
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			alternatives. Do we have them?
		
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			So critical thinking, it's important.
		
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			The courage.
		
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			This is the only thing that I like
		
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			is,
		
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			in Obama's contribution,
		
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			is the title of a
		
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			book, which has to do with audacity.
		
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			After this, I left everything coming from him,
		
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			everything, because he's the president of words. He's
		
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			not the president of the alternative.
		
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			It's even worse.
		
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			In practical terms, it's even worse. But audacity,
		
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			it's you have this courage, this intellectual
		
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			audacity that is needed. And to to come
		
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			with this? This is where I think your
		
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			question is is critical.
		
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			It's not to try to catch up. I'm
		
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			not catching up.
		
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			I'm going somewhere
		
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			else. You understand, Mike? That's essential. It's the
		
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			cosmology is it's something else that I want.
		
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			I want something else. Do we have the
		
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			means to propose?
		
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			Today, today, look at what we are proposing
		
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			in all the fields. We are not proposing
		
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			any alternative. There is no bad deal.
		
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			There is no bad deal.
		
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			So this is where
		
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			and you know why I'm saying this.
		
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			People are saying, why is all you are
		
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			saying it seems that what you are saying
		
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			is so nice, so open,
		
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			so a philosophy or pluralist, and still they
		
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			are attacking you as if you were the
		
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			devil.
		
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			You know why?
		
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			Because listen to what I said yesterday and
		
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			today: that's very dangerous.
		
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			That's much more dangerous than I saw.
		
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			In the way I am, critical from within,
		
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			saying we need something else, And we are
		
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			confident.
		
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			We are not in a state of, you
		
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			know it's not an inferiority mindset. I'm not
		
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			to be,
		
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			waiting for you to say you are good.
		
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			I don't care.
		
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			So the point here is the way you
		
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			position yourself with being assertive with your value,
		
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			saying that I know that in the name
		
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			of my faith, I cannot accept the world
		
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			the way it is. I'm not going to
		
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			be accepted in your world. I want something
		
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			else. So my critical take on this is:
		
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			do we have an alternative? And not only
		
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			among Muslims. With all the people of good
		
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			faith, all the people who have principles, I'm
		
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			with them.
		
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			I'm not going to accept corruption. I'm not
		
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			going to accept instrumentalization
		
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			of religion
		
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			within Islam
		
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			or outside.
		
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			You get this? So when you come with
		
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			this,
		
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			it's quite dangerous.
		
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			And
		
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			I don't have a problem being a controversial
		
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			intellectual.
		
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			If my controversial
		
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			presence
		
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			is bothering you and pushing you to think
		
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			twice,
		
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			hamdulillah.
		
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			So I think that hamdulillah means praise to
		
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			God.
		
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			So,
		
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			quickly,
		
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			that's also a good question that you had
		
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			about empirical.
		
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			I have a problem with, you know
		
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			So it was about the question was, do
		
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			we have to separate between what is coming
		
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			from the Koran and the empirical truth that
		
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			we can find?
		
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			I have a problem with those who are
		
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			trying to find in the Koran everything
		
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			the Koran is not a scientific book,
		
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			to start with.
		
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			And even in, if you know, there are
		
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			things that were known
		
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			by the Chinese and the Indian much before.
		
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			In fact, in many, for example, when it
		
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			comes to,
		
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			the 0 coming,
		
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			brought through the Indian
		
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			and printing
		
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			brought through the Chinese,
		
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			All this,
		
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			we have to acknowledge this. And sometimes the
		
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			Muslims in 17th century, they were reading the
		
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			Koran and they didn't get all the knowledge.
		
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			And now we are thinking about things
		
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			that the Koran is revealing itself through our
		
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			contemporary knowledge.
		
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			But to the point to go in the
		
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			Koran and say everything is there, and then
		
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			I think that and once again,
		
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			it's not a scientific book.
		
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			And the scientific truth of today could be
		
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			a scientific error tomorrow.
		
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			So we keep
		
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			on catching up.
		
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			So science is saying, oh yes, yes, it's
		
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			in the Koran. So it's the truth.
		
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			My position on this is to be quite
		
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			clear on that.
		
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			Nothing in the Koran
		
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			is against
		
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			science,
		
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			But science is not the parameter of the
		
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			Koran.
		
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			So what I'm saying is that I am
		
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			not going to find something in the Koran
		
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			which is completely
		
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			wrong in scientific terms.
		
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			By saying this,
		
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			I'm saying that
		
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			I'm not proving what we have in sign
		
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			through the Koran. I'm just saying it's coming
		
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			from
		
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			God
		
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			And what is
		
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			in the text,
		
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			whatever is the state of knowledge today, the
		
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			scientific state of knowledge, I don't think that
		
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			we can find a scientific error in the
		
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			Koran.
		
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			This is what I think.
		
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			Say it again? If I was to, you
		
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			know, push the
		
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			Yeah. That doesn't fall into
		
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			the boundaries of the field of empiricism.
		
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			Have you done that? No. No. But, because
		
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			there is a difference between
		
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			because if I think
		
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			that natural laws are coming from God, he's
		
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			the first that can do things beyond the
		
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			natural law that's my faith.
		
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			So
		
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			I'm not going to start with this by
		
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			saying everything which is no,
		
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			it's the other way around. It could be
		
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			that we find in the Koran things that
		
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			are not proven by science,
		
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			but nothing coming from through the scientific discoveries
		
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			is going to be against what we find
		
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			in the Koran.
		
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			My take on science is just to say
		
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			there is no
		
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			contradiction, but I'm saying again that the Koran
		
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			is not a scientific book.
		
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			This is why I think
		
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			that the moral
		
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			teaching should be separated from the empirical science
		
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			trying to prove one to the other. I
		
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			think that this is completely
		
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			a wrong methodology
		
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			It's not going to work. But as somebody
		
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			who is saying it's coming from God, I
		
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			really think that nothing that is coming from
		
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			scientific
		
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			discovery, you will find something which is, oh,
		
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			it's exactly the opposite of what you find
		
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			in the Koran. Why? Because the Koran is
		
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			not a scientific book, so it's not talking
		
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			about that.
		
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			It's not. So try to
		
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			play with words and try to change, you
		
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			know, el mudra it means this because this
		
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			is what And even and and even we
		
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			have problems today in,
		
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			in, for example, bioethics.
		
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			And
		
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			when it comes
		
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			to,
		
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			genetics or even embryology,
		
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			it's it's tough. It's very tough, what we
		
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			have, and not meaning the Quran, because the
		
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			Quran is is wider than the discussion. It's
		
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			just steps. Nothing is said there. But when
		
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			you come to the hadith,
		
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			and you have the hadith, 40 days,
		
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			120 days, and said, what how it works
		
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			in scientific terms that this is why you
		
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			have problems. Do we have to take this
		
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			as
		
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			complete truth? Do you have to suspend your
		
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			judgment? Be careful about
		
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			the authenticity of every discourse that's something else.
		
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			But I agree with you, and I think
		
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			it's the starting point of our positioning
		
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			not to because, you know, the spirit behind
		
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			this is what? It's competition.
		
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			Again,
		
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			science is there, they are ahead, let us
		
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			show them that the Koran is
		
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			everything was there.
		
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			So, Alan was silent.
		
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			So, I think that that's a problem.
		
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			Last question here,
		
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			which is coming from, and
		
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			I say salaam alaikum to the people who
		
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			are following us.
		
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			It's the link between what I said,
		
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			yesterday.
		
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			That's exactly it.
		
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			The whole and it's a good question by
		
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			the way, because it helps us to get
		
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			a sense of the construction of the whole
		
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			seminar
		
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			Understanding
		
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			what are the fields within which we speak
		
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			about ethics, and how this is
		
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			constructed on the sources, the means and the
		
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			objectives. Remember, the 3 main fields. And trying
		
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			to reconcile
		
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			this field through the goals that we are
		
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			trying to achieve. This is what we did
		
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			yesterday.
		
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			All this is going to be connected with
		
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			this cosmology that we are talking about. And
		
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			the cosmology is saying the source is etawhayil,
		
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			lahayil, lahu, so it's
		
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			God. The means are not only legal
		
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			it's everything which has to do with science,
		
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			with a philosophy of law,
		
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			and what to do
		
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			with knowledge.
		
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			So it's the way you understand
		
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			in your ishtihad
		
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			your accountability
		
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			that is coming from the legal.
		
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			Etaklif.
		
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			So, for example,
		
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			in the world,
		
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			what the scholars did coming from the legal,
		
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			they are saying there are 5 categories.
		
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			So the 5,
		
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			that have to do with the preferable,
		
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			the
		
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			obligation,
		
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			the permissible,
		
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			the preferable, the detestable,
		
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			and what is the other one? I forgot.
		
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			So there are 5. The prohibited. The prohibited.
		
00:41:05 --> 00:41:08
			The prohibited. The one. Haram. I'm forgetting the
		
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			Haram.
		
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			You see how much I'm
		
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			not haram
		
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			don't forget the haram. Anyway,
		
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			there are 5. So in this, el agametaklifia,
		
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			this is where these
		
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			categories are ethicolegal
		
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			categories.
		
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			Ethical and legal at the same time, and
		
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			not only legal. So this is why there
		
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			is a connection here, and within this, in
		
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			the way you deal within the world with
		
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			this cosmology,
		
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			you try to achieve and you ask what
		
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			is the final goal. And the final goal
		
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			of this journey is,
		
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			reforming yourself
		
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			to the knowledge of God and Allah's love,
		
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			loving him, being loved by him, which is
		
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			the final thing that you are trying to
		
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			achieve
		
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			beyond even, beyond even any obsession with
		
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			reward and punishment
		
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			because this is also something which is important
		
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			in the discussion.
		
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			And having said that, in this journey
		
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			this is where the spiritual input is there.
		
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			So, the 3 fields that I was talking
		
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			about
		
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			they can only be reconciled through the goals
		
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			that are part of this understanding of the
		
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			whole cosmology.
		
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			And this is where
		
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			you
		
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			come here and you start having an understanding
		
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			of in which way you are going to
		
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			deal with, for example,
		
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			the environment,
		
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			and the environment
		
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			as the source
		
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			and the starting point of the God's gift
		
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			as the creation. When he's saying, Sahar al
		
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			Hakom, it means he gave you this, he
		
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			put this at your disposal,
		
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			which is the starting point, this environment,
		
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			and then everything that you are doing in
		
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			FIRC,
		
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			everything that you are doing in the legal
		
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			is protecting nature. Everything.
		
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			You need to have a legal framework protecting
		
00:43:03 --> 00:43:04
			nature.
		
00:43:04 --> 00:43:07
			So, for example, even if you accept private
		
00:43:07 --> 00:43:08
			property,
		
00:43:09 --> 00:43:11
			no exploitation, no destruction,
		
00:43:11 --> 00:43:12
			respecting.
		
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			So, this
		
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			is essential here in the way this is
		
00:43:17 --> 00:43:19
			going to be translated in the legal
		
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			and even in the spiritual.
		
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			Why?
		
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			Because
		
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			Allahu Jameel you hadbul Jama' God is beautiful
		
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			and he likes beauty.
		
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			And when he's saying this,
		
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			your relationship
		
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			to nature is going to be part of
		
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			your relationship to culture and your relationship to
		
00:43:38 --> 00:43:39
			arts.
		
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			Arts, imagination,
		
00:43:42 --> 00:43:45
			the way you are. For us, arts is
		
00:43:45 --> 00:43:46
			not entertainment
		
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			it's elevation.
		
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			Through which
		
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			channel are you going to get this elevation?
		
00:43:54 --> 00:43:55
			By this cosmology,
		
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			where you have
		
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			this dimension of this nature and this environment.
		
00:44:00 --> 00:44:01
			There is a connection between the way you
		
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			look at the environment and the way you
		
00:44:03 --> 00:44:04
			look at art and imagination.
		
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			So and consumption,
		
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			and then elevation, and then being, and then
		
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			purification,
		
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			and then reforming yourself.
		
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			Sorry. So, all this is connected. So, you
		
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			understand why
		
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			environment comes first in the whole
		
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			discussion that I was
		
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			starting.
		
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			I don't think I don't know if you
		
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			have because there are other questions. Can we
		
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			keep it for
		
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			Quickly. Quickly, then.
		
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			Yeah.
		
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			That's another big question.
		
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			But there is a philosophy here. So
		
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			the question is
		
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			how practical
		
00:45:06 --> 00:45:08
			tips I can give you about how do
		
00:45:08 --> 00:45:08
			you
		
00:45:09 --> 00:45:10
			master your consumption.
		
00:45:14 --> 00:45:16
			This is a nice way of putting it.
		
00:45:16 --> 00:45:19
			Is it this or not? Yes. Why are
		
00:45:19 --> 00:45:20
			you laughing?
		
00:45:23 --> 00:45:24
			Why are you laughing?
		
00:45:27 --> 00:45:29
			So what was your your word?
		
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			It's okay. The one who is mine. No.
		
00:45:34 --> 00:45:35
			I want yours.
		
00:45:44 --> 00:45:46
			How do you live in a I'm repeating,
		
00:45:46 --> 00:45:47
			in a materialistic
		
00:45:48 --> 00:45:50
			world? And then? How do you be aware
		
00:45:50 --> 00:45:52
			how to be aware of our conception?
		
00:45:53 --> 00:45:55
			Ah, to be aware of our conception.
		
00:46:00 --> 00:46:01
			I think that
		
00:46:02 --> 00:46:03
			once again
		
00:46:03 --> 00:46:05
			come to the big picture.
		
00:46:06 --> 00:46:07
			And what is,
		
00:46:08 --> 00:46:08
			you know,
		
00:46:09 --> 00:46:10
			it's
		
00:46:10 --> 00:46:11
			about who you are
		
00:46:12 --> 00:46:13
			and what you need.
		
00:46:15 --> 00:46:17
			And there is something which is essential.
		
00:46:18 --> 00:46:21
			La Illa Illa Allah in a cosmological
		
00:46:21 --> 00:46:23
			way is saying, your only
		
00:46:25 --> 00:46:25
			dependency
		
00:46:26 --> 00:46:27
			is to God.
		
00:46:27 --> 00:46:28
			Any
		
00:46:28 --> 00:46:30
			other addiction
		
00:46:31 --> 00:46:32
			could be potential shirk.
		
00:46:33 --> 00:46:34
			So the starting point is, in
		
00:46:35 --> 00:46:36
			the capitalistic
		
00:46:38 --> 00:46:40
			economic system, is to create addiction.
		
00:46:42 --> 00:46:45
			And addiction is undermining the very essence of
		
00:46:45 --> 00:46:46
			Tawhid.
		
00:46:48 --> 00:46:51
			So anything that is working against
		
00:46:51 --> 00:46:54
			the liberation of yourself is putting you in
		
00:46:54 --> 00:46:54
			danger.
		
00:46:56 --> 00:46:57
			This is the start this is the big
		
00:46:57 --> 00:46:59
			picture. And then you have to check your
		
00:46:59 --> 00:47:00
			need
		
00:47:01 --> 00:47:02
			through who you are.
		
00:47:03 --> 00:47:04
			And be careful:
		
00:47:05 --> 00:47:05
			fashion,
		
00:47:06 --> 00:47:06
			publicity,
		
00:47:07 --> 00:47:07
			advertisement
		
00:47:08 --> 00:47:10
			is to create in you the need
		
00:47:10 --> 00:47:13
			for things that you may not need.
		
00:47:14 --> 00:47:15
			Creating this.
		
00:47:16 --> 00:47:18
			So, ah, this is it. So it's
		
00:47:21 --> 00:47:23
			in the practical term, it's very much to
		
00:47:23 --> 00:47:26
			start with this. This step is no addiction.
		
00:47:28 --> 00:47:30
			My freedom should be protected. And what
		
00:47:32 --> 00:47:33
			do I need
		
00:47:34 --> 00:47:35
			for my life?
		
00:47:36 --> 00:47:38
			And the third thing which is important here,
		
00:47:39 --> 00:47:42
			it's also something which has to do with
		
00:47:42 --> 00:47:43
			no excess.
		
00:47:47 --> 00:47:49
			You know, I'm very often saying to Muslims
		
00:47:50 --> 00:47:52
			it's good to eat halal meat
		
00:47:53 --> 00:47:55
			if only you were to eat less meat.
		
00:47:56 --> 00:47:59
			Less. You don't have to eat so much
		
00:47:59 --> 00:48:01
			meat as we are doing,
		
00:48:01 --> 00:48:02
			because
		
00:48:03 --> 00:48:05
			I'm not, you know, advocating
		
00:48:06 --> 00:48:07
			vegetarianism.
		
00:48:08 --> 00:48:09
			But why not?
		
00:48:11 --> 00:48:12
			Halal vegetarianism.
		
00:48:14 --> 00:48:16
			But at least to eat less meat, to
		
00:48:16 --> 00:48:18
			be very you know, this is the way
		
00:48:18 --> 00:48:21
			the prophet Isaiah was always saying, Be careful.
		
00:48:21 --> 00:48:23
			Don't eat too much. It's not good for
		
00:48:23 --> 00:48:24
			your health.
		
00:48:24 --> 00:48:26
			Don't eat too much meat. Just
		
00:48:27 --> 00:48:28
			and this is something which is
		
00:48:32 --> 00:48:33
			this intellectual
		
00:48:33 --> 00:48:34
			conscious
		
00:48:34 --> 00:48:35
			con contentious,
		
00:48:36 --> 00:48:37
			conscientious
		
00:48:39 --> 00:48:39
			attitude
		
00:48:40 --> 00:48:42
			that you have towards,
		
00:48:43 --> 00:48:45
			the things that you are eating, it's important.
		
00:48:45 --> 00:48:46
			For example,
		
00:48:48 --> 00:48:50
			you know what is haram, and you don't
		
00:48:50 --> 00:48:51
			drink alcohol,
		
00:48:52 --> 00:48:53
			I hope.
		
00:48:54 --> 00:48:56
			You don't eat pork,
		
00:48:56 --> 00:48:57
			that's fine.
		
00:48:58 --> 00:48:59
			But there are other things that you also
		
00:48:59 --> 00:49:02
			have to to deal with in the global
		
00:49:02 --> 00:49:02
			order.
		
00:49:03 --> 00:49:05
			It might be that there are things that
		
00:49:05 --> 00:49:09
			the whole philosophy behind is creating maybe addictions
		
00:49:09 --> 00:49:11
			in others that you might also have to
		
00:49:11 --> 00:49:14
			show that this is not right. And sometimes
		
00:49:14 --> 00:49:15
			you know, for example,
		
00:49:16 --> 00:49:17
			that for me,
		
00:49:17 --> 00:49:19
			if you are asking me about,
		
00:49:20 --> 00:49:21
			halal fast food,
		
00:49:22 --> 00:49:24
			for me it's a contradiction in term.
		
00:49:26 --> 00:49:28
			Fast food is by definition something that I
		
00:49:28 --> 00:49:31
			cannot get as something which is an Islamic
		
00:49:32 --> 00:49:33
			way of life.
		
00:49:33 --> 00:49:36
			To eat fast is not the right way
		
00:49:36 --> 00:49:36
			to eat.
		
00:49:38 --> 00:49:40
			So if you put it halal to make
		
00:49:40 --> 00:49:41
			it, you know,
		
00:49:42 --> 00:49:44
			as you have in Malaysia, say, you know,
		
00:49:44 --> 00:49:45
			they
		
00:49:45 --> 00:49:47
			have halal meat and
		
00:49:47 --> 00:49:48
			the sisters
		
00:49:49 --> 00:49:51
			are having the hijab, masha'Allah.
		
00:49:51 --> 00:49:54
			So it's halal, you enter Bismillah and eat
		
00:49:54 --> 00:49:54
			very fast.
		
00:49:56 --> 00:49:59
			So the old chain is problematic.
		
00:49:59 --> 00:50:00
			I, for example
		
00:50:01 --> 00:50:01
			and
		
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			I'm not pushing for that.
		
00:50:05 --> 00:50:06
			Yes, a bit I'm pushing for that,
		
00:50:07 --> 00:50:09
			But it's a personal fatwa. But at the
		
00:50:09 --> 00:50:10
			end I can tell you something.
		
00:50:10 --> 00:50:13
			In the way you deal with things, it
		
00:50:13 --> 00:50:15
			gives you a sense that you have limitation
		
00:50:16 --> 00:50:18
			it pushes you to think twice about what
		
00:50:18 --> 00:50:19
			you are eating.
		
00:50:19 --> 00:50:21
			I don't enter McDonald's.
		
00:50:22 --> 00:50:23
			You will never see me in a McDonald's,
		
00:50:24 --> 00:50:25
			for many reasons:
		
00:50:25 --> 00:50:26
			the philosophy behind,
		
00:50:27 --> 00:50:29
			the way they deal with people, and what
		
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			is translated in the ground. For me for
		
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			me,
		
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			it's a personal fatwa. It's haram haram.
		
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			I don't enter in this.
		
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			I don't go these these things. I'm avoiding
		
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			all the fast foods because I don't like
		
00:50:44 --> 00:50:45
			the philosophy behind.
		
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			These are destroying the very essence of what
		
00:50:48 --> 00:50:50
			it means to eat
		
00:50:50 --> 00:50:52
			and what it means to eat in family,
		
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			to be together,
		
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			and to take time with the culture and
		
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			everything.
		
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			I prefer to come with the way
		
00:51:00 --> 00:51:02
			you were eating in Pakistan,
		
00:51:03 --> 00:51:04
			and to colonize,
		
00:51:06 --> 00:51:08
			and to be the added value,
		
00:51:08 --> 00:51:11
			to take time to eat with your family,
		
00:51:11 --> 00:51:12
			take time to prepare,
		
00:51:13 --> 00:51:16
			take time to talk, take time to discuss,
		
00:51:16 --> 00:51:18
			instead of let us go, the whole family
		
00:51:18 --> 00:51:21
			quickly, just a McDonald's before movies.
		
00:51:22 --> 00:51:24
			It's a philosophy of life.
		
00:51:24 --> 00:51:26
			So this is why you check things. You
		
00:51:26 --> 00:51:28
			know, you understand what I mean? It's deeper
		
00:51:28 --> 00:51:30
			than tell me the fatwa haral
		
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			because some are going out of this room
		
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			saying, you know what he said?
		
00:51:35 --> 00:51:35
			Haram.
		
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			They don't get the whole picture.
		
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			You understand?
		
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			I want so
		
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			the haram for me, it's not the legal
		
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			answer to the detail.
		
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			It's the meaning of it within the big
		
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			picture. Who are you supporting?
		
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			What are you doing?
		
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			When you know, for example, the transnational
		
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			corporations
		
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			are launching
		
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			war, psychological
		
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			war, against
		
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			cultural way of eating and drinking,
		
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			And they come with their ad ads and
		
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			say, you know what?
		
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			Coca Cola is a way of life.
		
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			And you know what? It's true.
		
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			It's a way of life.
		
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			And you today, you don't care.
		
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			Stop hard on. Is no scholar who has
		
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			told you, don't drink alcohol. They even drink,
		
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			Coca
		
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			Cola, the Sheikh. You have some Sheikh Bismillah?
		
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			I don't drink. I don't drink these things.
		
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			I don't.
		
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			Why I don't drink these things? Because at
		
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			the same time, it sent to my mind,
		
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			to my heart,
		
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			a sense of be careful with these things,
		
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			because the danger is here. It might not
		
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			be legally
		
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			haram. It's philosophically
		
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			wrong.
		
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			It's wrong. There is
		
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			a Mastering
		
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			your your consumption,
		
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			is what I meant.
		
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			It might be it might not be legally
		
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			haram, but it's what? It's legal.
		
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			Yes. That's it.
		
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			Sometimes it comes like this. Okay.