Shadee Elmasry – Third Spaces NBF 349
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The speakers discuss the importance of avoiding arrogance, small talk, and disrespecting people for their behavior. They also emphasize the need for individuals to encourage others to do so and avoiding double-standing. They mention upcoming events and plans for people to attend, including a coffee shop and Halal festivals. The negative impact of fasting during the summer months on one's health and the importance of staying at home during the day to avoid hot and cold seasons are also discussed.
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That's what I know was that it means you hear it all the time but
people don't know what it means is he's at your ease. As if just like
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information and schedule to Xochimilco set up Monique. All
right, let's get to our program today.
A really quickly we want to continue reading a little bit
every day from a reset of Cush ADEA. And from stories Oh yeah,
we're going to start segment number one, but he sat up, push it
just five minutes. Segment Number two is going to make our main
subject today which is
third spaces. Then we cap off with some of the stories of the idea.
And then we go to q&a. We have four segments today.
So first of all have DECA to Toba for laga fee. Look at the lobby
Arrojo we're on tilba tilba The Ritz meaning in the Arabic
language is to return what you Carlo tab a Raja, he returned or
he returned for toe but to Arrojo I'm Mecanim at the moment fish
shutter ie illa ma Hua mahmudul Fisher. So in the language of
religion, the technical language, the technical meaning here is it
is a return from what is blameworthy
in the sacred law to what is praiseworthy in it in the sacred
law, or call us Allah Allahu alayhi wa sallam and the messenger
of peace be upon him said in the Matoba tuna dharma. The Truth
About Toba, the essence of Toba is regret. So that's truly the
essence of it.
But of course, it has four pillars, you have to regret it.
You have to attempt to stop it. You have to ask God for
forgiveness. You cannot be arrogant with God and say, I'm
going to change but has nothing to do with God. I'm not apologizing
to anybody. No, Allah has rights over us. Our Creator has rights.
You cannot oppress your own self. You can't add in harm anyone. So
I'm just going to change my ways for myself. No, you did harm
someone this body of is did you make it? Did you buy it? Then it's
therefore it was given to you. It's given to you by God,
therefore, it has rights. So you have to seek forgiveness from
Allah. And then the fourth condition, we said what we said
regret seeking God's forgiveness, stop doing it and commit not to
return to it again. We can't say I'm going to stop now. But
next Superbowl party, I'm going to drink again. Next New Year's I'm
going to stop now I see forgiveness. But next New Year's
maybe I still may commit sin again. Can't do that. And you
should never a person negates the repentance when they look fondly
back at the days of their sins. Right?
You might have somebody who makes he repents but then he says you
know what?
They still were good old times right in the club.
At the bars
surrounded by all those women, taking out interest loans and
building big businesses. We're good old times.
Like I'm Cinna gusta. You have guests and you are Zachary who
alone sorry. zany to father
because Mallikarjun Zachary is Janie Where are you from?
Florida, Florida law UK but and you're here for the
summer intensive Arabic mashallah, where are you staying? I'm staying
in
Myrtle street.
So you're good. With a place to stay. All right. Tell us about
yourself. Zachary Aziz came for the Arabic program from Florida
with part of Florida. Orlando Florida. Just went to Orlando last
Thanksgiving mashallah nice area is beautiful. Yeah, communities.
It's burgeoning. But
there's a lot of good things happening I'd say very good. So
you're coming from Orlando you can hang out here in the summer. All
right. Very good. You so you're actually escaping some some heat
because it can get hot and it can get humid I'm sure right. It's
extremely humid. Mashallah, this is the most beautiful weather.
Yeah, yeah, it's very humid out in Orlando. So where does the wind go
south? The wind comes this way. So Tampa should be okay. Right. less
humid Tampa. Tampa is pretty good. Yeah. less humid near the coast.
Yep.
Central Florida. I have to say I love Florida. Sometimes Florida
has this rap for being just an old folks home basically. But that's
not true. There's a lot of really neat places especially down by
Miami. Of course Miami is crazy. But there if you come out of Miami
a little bit, that's where it's balanced between active and and
there's a lot of stuff going on. gorgeous weather beaches,
everything, but
not some of the craziness. Tampa is also an amazing place. Right.
So I love Florida. It's our version of California. The east
coast version of California is Florida. And then the keys are
amazing. Right. All right. So tell me about yourself. Student,
college student, third year, third year, University of what? Rollins
College Rollins College. We're all on garros tennis. Now.
You guys know about Roland Garros? That's the name of the tennis
court. I think it's named after a guy in France where they have the
French Open that they play on clay over there. Anyway, that's some
Edmond dunya, the lion follow.
Okay, so your student in what I'm doing environmental studies, I'm
trying to do planning and Landscape Architecture, Planning
and landscape architecture, you're going to own a company.
That's where the money is, right? That's what the benefit is. Yeah.
Like you can design people's landscape or they do it on the
computer now. And then you just have workers do it, and you'd
never touch a single bush or a shrub. That's how they do it.
Yeah, no, it's therapeutic. It is totally therapeutic. like it'd be
nice to do spend the whole day doing visits from home to home to
home. That's how these landscapers work because I have friends who
are landscapers and your landscaper now right? Did you do
it? Saturday, is your mic on? Yo Do you guys know that Omar is now
that's why he's getting tan he's getting handsome he's getting buff
to he's a part time landscaper now what did you do? Everything
everything so you go from how many homes did you go to? It depends
sometimes it's like a whole community center like I mean
that's what center a big city Yeah, that sounds is a really
different house doesn't where he'd have the township now as a
contract. Yeah, he's townships. Yeah, he's like the township. Like
the actual town. Yeah, the township, the township center
area, and like, yeah, the other day like it was like, like
rainstorm so all the parks does that mean the parks and
everything? I haven't been in park yet. Okay. So landscaping this guy
where he'd I actually there's some things I love about it. He's so
he's a landscaper, right? And he's different, he can praise with a
semester. But he wakes up every day, at about 4:35am Every single
day of his life. Okay, unless it's raining. And he says he goes out
to Dunkin Donuts. And he drinks his coffee and he does all the
paperwork of the day. There's a lot of paperwork to be done. And
he shoots off all the emails, all the invoicing, all that all the
paperwork, he does it at his cup of coffee at Dunkin Donuts at
between five and 636 30. He does the labs and he picks up the
workers on the trucks. And he starts delivering them, dropping
them off. And given everyone the assignment, then he spends all day
in the sun doing physical work, right? This man is guaranteed he's
more physically fit. He's 50 to 54 years old. He is more physically
fit than all of us combined. And he you could tell like he's always
tanned. Right? He's always 10 and he's always out in nature.
And he's he's got to wake up early because you got to do the
paperwork. Then you got to pick up the guys and any date range you
get the whole day off a rest his body when it rains. So landscaping
is beautiful work being so you really need landscaping you need
to get physical you're skinny. You need to get this guy some food,
right?
Are you Egypt? Are you from Egypt and from your friends are
Egyptians okay? You get some food. If he's gonna landscape
you're out in nature, your your need to now know some business,
right? And you need to be a fighter too. You got to fight for
your customers. You got to see what the other landscapers are
doing and you got to do better. Then you got to go and know where
the sources are. Like, where do you buy the stone from? Where do
you buy shrubs from? Where do you buy trees from all that stuff?
Then you need to have a nice website and Instagram. That's how
you're going to reach your community. You plug into
Instagram, you know all these? Well, who does all the purchasing?
It's the moms right? The moms the one so you need to get on her
Instagram, right? And then once you get one community member you
get four. In any community you go through, you get four right away
one, you get four immediately.
So landscaping, just a great business.
Good for you.
I have a question here. Someone's Jonathan's asking. According to
Sam, Can God forgive someone coming to church on Sunday? Can
God commit sins forgiven? Sure, yeah. If they repent before they
die, of course. But they have to repent before they die. It's the
only sin if you die with the sin that's not forgivable in the sight
of Allah that's not forgivable in the sight of Allah was forgivable
is everything less than that. So I fornicated I pathetically a person
fornicated and died without making repentance, that God can forgive
it on the day of judgment if you choose. Right, or you suffer some
punishment, some suffering, on the way to the judgment, or at the
judgment, or even after the judgment, and then you would go to
heaven after that. But Heaven is paradise the door the visa for
Paradise? Is belief in Allah and all of his messengers. What was
Satan's sin to Satan disbelieve in God? No, Satan believes in God.
Satan rejected God's choice of Adam, as a prophet.
When Satan rejected Adam McCullough, so you're a
disbeliever. You can't just accept God everyone's gonna accept God
who is going to see God and not accept him you better you have to.
Right. So how does Allah know who's truly humble? He creates one
like you and says,
I'm making him better than you submit to that fact.
Okay, say in, refuse to submit to Adam, the fact he's not submitting
to Adam. He's submitting to the fact that Allah chose Adam. He
refused that. Satan has no problem worshiping God, as long as no
other peers, created beings are better than him. Now you have to
have conditions with God. You accept everything that God gave
you, that God says, so Allah, tested at least without any tested
us humans with prophets. So there's no other creature outside
of us, that's lower than us. So our test is actually easier than
Satan's test. Satan. He's a beautiful creation, that Allah
creates a creation that out externally looks weaker, and not
as pretty. Right? And according to Satan, obviously, because Satan is
made of fire, smokeless fire,
smokeless fire, it's like a form of light. And we're made of clay.
So what's prettier, clay or light? Right? I always say people go to
light shows they don't go to soil shows, right? You can have
fireworks light shows and you like looking at that. Northern Lights,
but no one sits there. No one throws soil in the in the air and
says this is art, right?
It bonfires, we love light. We love fires. They're beautiful. But
so Satan's view is I'm prettier than than, than Adam.
I'm from a greater material. So he made a mistake in judging that God
judges by materials doesn't judge by materials. So then
our test is easier, because all we're asked to submit to is
prophets who are of the same creation as us. So it's not taking
anything away from us, we're still can believe that this is the most
beloved species to Allah.
And in truth, there is no species, beloved to Allah, there are people
beloved tool, and that person happens to be from the species of
human beings. Right? So that's the answer in terms of Can God forgive
shitcan? What is Schoodic? It is to worship other than Allah, or to
give an attribute that is solely for Allah to another being. So for
example, eternal existence.
If you say, the eternal existence, infinite existence, had never had
no beginning no end, that is solely for Allah subhanaw taala.
Right, that's attribute solely for Allah. And our will will occur the
first and the last means he has no beginning. He is the first without
a beginning last without an end. Now, if you say the world is also
first, and with no beginning, as the Greeks used to say, then that
shit, right, you have given a created being the attribute of the
Divine. Likewise, when people always ask about is to Gotha,
which is like a moot question, it's a pointless question. It's
just a litmus test to see what team you're on. That's the truth.
The answer to it is that if you ask, any created being that which
only Allah can give certain things only Allah can give it. Other
things. Yes, Allah gives it in reality. But you can ask other
people, for example, I can ask you to hand me a cup of water, I can
ask you for a job I can ask you for a place to sleep does not
shift in that. I'm allowed to ask that.
On one condition, I can't believe that you're the source of the
wealth. If I believe you're the source of the wealth, the absolute
source of wealth, that's schicke. Secondly, if I, if I ask a
creative being of something only Allah can give, that will be sure
to forgive all my sins. Right? I go to a to a shake, shake your
like my priest, forgive my sins. He can't do that. Right. All
right, should create something for me. Can't do that. Right. So
creating something
forgiving all your sins, things only Allah subhanaw taala can do.
I can if I ask a creative being that shit, so it's about the can
for sure be shook in those two ways. Outside of those two ways,
it will not be sure to you will be something else. It could be, for
example, my theology teacher and fifth teacher, check them out,
which should be said. So l l GZ. Macro. So number one, the asking
someone who can't do something is micro pseudo science, for example.
asking somebody something they can't do. So I keep begging you.
Come on, give me access to the president. He can't do that.
Right. It's pointless, or cure. Go to someone and say, put your hand
on my stomach and cure me for pregnancy. Many women do this
right. He can't cure your pregnancy issues. Right? Maybe he
can make dua for you but he can't cure your pregnancy issues.
Asked to add will urgency This is called asking somebody who cannot
do
Something is micro, you're just it's suffer. It's stupidity.
However now that's third thing we have to talk talk about is that
there can be a source of people questioning your deen, rumors
spreading about you and misunderstandings of shit. Because
we take what the society is upon if the whole system if it's quite
pop common that people view something as should even if it's
not right, then they may accuse you of that, then you should avoid
that as a matter of that area. Okay.
So if you're doing something that is, maybe you believe in it, but I
believe it's sweated out just hypothetically. So edit I just
asking somebody who can't do anything for you. But you say no,
no, I believe that he can cure my flu or whatever, I go to the grave
and he's going to cure my flu. Alright, that's your belief has no
basis but at the very least for me, it's you're asking someone who
can do something for him or crew. But other people view that as
Schick
although they're wrong
okay, because you're not asking something only Allah can give so
he can cannot be sick.
But they'll accuse you of shit. And as a result of that, you
actually must stop because now you're going to just be accused
for no reason. Right? Said the video.
We're not going to say a ruling on that must stop but but we could
say
it's highly discouraged to put yourself in a position where you
will be accused. Okay? Even like Eastern Avenue For example, in the
summertime, on a Friday and Saturday night, it's all bars and
I don't know what else is there but have people are half naked. So
you don't go there. You don't go there. You're going to be exposed
yourself to since and people may say Oh, this guy goes Easton
Avenue. Right. And he's not he's not good. So all murder was seen
on Eastern Avenue A couple times. Right? Then he was saying oh, if
he proposes to your daughter, don't go don't accept US Eastern
Avenue. Which is not true, by the way. Sometimes, but to get some
food and believe ya got the food and leave. Don't even leave your
car. You gotta get food decent evidence wild foods. Ustinov has a
lot of good restaurants and all the halal food is there too. It's
like
funny why the halal all the Hello businesses are there. What are
those owners doing? Exactly? Anyway, but that's the summary of
his Tabata and that's what she comes back. He said, I know some
people say that, you know, we have to repeat things because they're
always newbies. And as for you know that accusation of asking
angels it's not an accusation that is a Hadith of the prophets of
Allah when he was under prophecies to be honest with you if you are
alone in the desert lost somewhere. Call out Yeah, a bad
Allah uni. Hadith prophets isin are we asking something that only
Allah can give?
Can I ask a human for directions? Prophet is saying ask angels for
help. If you're if there are no humans, right?
And he met me No, we did it for lost animals because animals
running away. Can't get him. He saw his own shoe his own scholars,
it's in the book of remembrance. Say
Yeah, bad Allah. What was it? Oh Gifu missile. Yeah, bad Allah.
This will stop the animal, an animal stopped on its tracks. And
he said he did it himself one time.
So
again, the issue is asking the creation of what only Allah can
give or believing that the creation has absolute power.
That's the difference. All right.
So let's finish off at Toba here for a bubble or Suleyman, le
Sunita, Colusa to Toba
had to sit with Allah to Asha and nudge him with Tarik will Asma
Allah Allah owed and the fourth one is seeking forgiveness from
Allah subhanaw taala and Adam regret at Tuck leave off the sin
what as wala lay out intend never to go back to it again.
Okay
let's go to our topic today
which is
what this book here because just just because it's so pretty,
that's it? That's why I got this book here.
Yeah.
What is the third space what do we mean by the third space and what
is meant by it?
The third space is
the third out of two which is your home is your first space and your
work
is your second space we all need people need a third space. The
third space is
tapping into third space. Sociologists talk about it for us
most of the most of us has mastered their prophesy centum
established that third space essentially
not in not, you know established the third space but we can
describe it as a third
Space, which is the house of Allah. Right. And that is the
greatest of third spaces. So but we're going to talk about this in
sociology
is all observations of how humans behave and analysis of how humans
behave. And some of its, you know, pretty neat to read. So in
sociology, the third space refers to the
social surroundings beyond your home, and your work. And they
include places of worship cafes, bars, clubs, community centers,
public libraries, gyms, bookstores, places where you go
voluntarily to do something you like and meet other people.
Without a hierarchy. In your home, you have a little bit of a
hierarchy, right? In your work, you have hierarchy. But in the
third space, you don't have such a hierarchy. And that's really why
people like it, and you go voluntarily and nothing is
expected of you. That's the beauty of it, absolutely, nothing is
expected of you. So one of the sociologists guy named Oldenburg.
He has these characteristics, and he says Your, your home is a place
where people live. The second place is the workplace.
Where people spend most of their time actually, and the third place
are the anchors of the community. And they foster, I don't think
it's working. It's probably not plugged in depth thing needs a
battery, that's all probably
out is working, okay, maybe pull the antenna up.
Alright, not a problem. The third space is where you go in public.
And really, the community forms and gels around the third space.
According to the sociological view of things, and so far is makes
sense, right? That's where the community gels that's where
norms are established. What is normal behavior, it's usually
established in all three spaces, but mainly that third space, where
are is the community addressed, as opposed to just the workspace, you
don't address the community, if you have a store or something or
an office, you don't address the community. So you address the
community in these third spaces. So first characteristic out of
eight, he says that it's a neutral ground. You don't have to be
there. That's what he means by that, like, no one has to be
there. You're not tied to it financially, politically, legally.
By your family, no one is tied to this space at all. So that's the
first thing. The second space is it levels everybody out. So it's
not based on your social, socio economic status, your political
status, your lineage, there's no prerequisite to be there. Like
anybody can go like a coffee shop, right?
a bowling alley back in the day in the old 50s and 60s, the guys
together go bowling, right.
In Egypt, they have the naddis, right? You go there, you play
soccer, you get a bite, you hang out, it's like a third space in
that regard.
Okay, the main activity there is conversation, getting to know
people, no obligations, just chit chat, light hearted, good natured,
it's a place for relaxation, it's not a place for hardship, or for
any hard work. Number four, it's a neighborhood place, it's
accessible. And accommodating, it's not something that you have
to pay a lot to get into. It's not something that you have to travel
a lot to get. So be someplace that you could go to within a few
minutes. So it's accessible.
needs can social needs can be fulfilled there.
What's the next one? That it consists of regulars? Right, there
are people there who always go and as a result, you get to know
everybody, very quickly, you get to know everybody. And these
regular set the mood of the place, they attract newcomers, they are
welcoming to newcomers, et cetera. Okay, and of course, it can be a
bad place if they're not welcoming to new newcomers.
Five or six. He says it has a low profile. It's it's not a grand
operation. It's just a neighborhood operation. Like the
neighborhood bowling out the in England. Their third spaces are
the pubs the local pubs so much. So they ask you what pubs you go
to. Right? So the local for us, obviously neighborhood masjid,
like nothing to me is better than a really good friendly
neighborhood Masjid.
As long as they're teaching what you believe in, right? And
everyone will go to the message that they trust to show you there.
Right so that's the third space it's like the neighborhood. It's
so it's low profile. There's no reason to be snobby. Like for
example, no one goes and gets dressed up and, and get x snobby
to go for McGraw
Hill just going from people go with their flip flops, right?
People go like there's no pretension there at all. That's
why people like to go all types of individual
Lazarex are accepted there and no one's under any obligation. Like
you're not even obligated. You're missing a lot of Sunon. But you're
not obligated to send me anyone or to make eye contact. I just want
to go somewhere on a pray and I'm gonna leave. I'm not under any
obligation to talk. Of course, it's soon. It's too soon to talk
you're leaving off Minnesota.
He says here the mood is playful really meanly. There's no tension,
there's no hostility. And I would change one thing, the main goal of
the third space of the masjid
is not to talk to people, but it's to talk to Allah subhanaw taala
and talking to people with secondary, that's the main
difference.
Okay.
So the seventh one, he said that the the the mood should be very,
very light. Okay, and it should just be frivolous banter. And
that's really what you notice in massage at frivolous banter. Hey,
what's happening? Nice. You got a new car. Congratulations. Well
done. All right, Jetta baby and Masha Allah, are you this is your
mom, nice to meet you. First time seeing your mom. All right. I
didn't even know the guy's name. I'm telling you, you many times
you go to mustard, you have this little banter with people in the
hallway or whatever.
And you don't even know who they are. But you know the face, right?
Like, I know this guy, he's a plumber. I can't remember his
name. Right. And he's not bothered by that knee, I'm not bothered by
that.
And that's for that for a few minutes for like 60 seconds, you
feel part of a community. Right? For 60 seconds, you feel that
there are others around you supporting what you're doing. But
there's no tenant, there's no responsibility here. Right?
Lastly, the third space if you go off, and it becomes a home away
from home, and it gives a feeling of warmth, belonging,
being part of something being wanted.
And you part of you is rooted in that space. And you gain a
spiritual and emotional regeneration by spending time
there. Like I feel rejuvenated, I can go back to you know, my life
afterwards feeling I have community I have friends, it's
also a great place to make your acquaintances. Right. So
the righteousness of a paper of a people breeze is based on the
third space. So if your third space is the bar, where people go
to lose their intellect, I guess maybe you could say the good part
of it, they're going to relax. So everyone should be a source of
relaxation. But at the same time, what is the actual result is you
lose your intellect, and you behave badly. So that's not a good
third space.
Now, why are we talking about this? We're talking about this,
mainly because it got a bunch of our radars, the nature of the so
called Muslim third space, that is not the message
for the so called unmasked types. Now, I don't have much sympathy
for someone says them unmasked, because I find there's some
entitlement there. Right? And there's a lack of humility there.
Right? Nonetheless, don't those people also need some kind of
doubt. Right? If you're humble,
then do you need that much towel? If you're already humble, but some
people, they have a little bit of a
you can say, edge to their personality. Maybe they had a bad
experience. And maybe they're not that humble. But don't they still
also need some dough? Maybe some people are so living in such an
unassuming lifestyle way of living. All of this is new to
them, and they feel too intimidated to go to a masjid.
Alright. There's a lot of people who will be too intimidated to go
to a gym. Why would it be any different? Most guys will not go
put a tank top on and go to the gym. Like I don't feel like
confident doing that. Right? Because I'm so out of shape. So
let me work out at home for a while and then you go to work out
home is useless. You're not going to achieve anything. So yeah, how
about a gym for totally unfit people? Yeah, maybe we'll go
there, where it's relaxed. We're just trying to barely get
acceptable. Then with maybe one day we'll go to the gym. So why
don't we say consider the same analogy for Dean and religion and
spirituality. Maybe a person lives such a in such a way that even a
sub slight conversation would expose them.
Right? So someone's like, hey, what's what do you do when the guy
may be like working at a bar?
Simple question. I can't answer it. I work at a bar. What if
somebody lives? Oh, this is your child's Oh, that's your wife? No,
it's like my girlfriend. Right and he has a girlfriend and a daughter
out of Zina. And he and maybe also many Masjid goers.
They are actually
insensitive, and they don't have the job to deal with people.
Many examples of people who said they don't go to massage and
because simple reason is that they have to tattoos in public places,
or visible places. Every time they go someone says something to them.
And he's like, sick of it already. Like what is this? And it's true.
There are some errors A guy came even to our Masjid a at a tattoo
immediately. First thing, so it's just haram. Why are you telling
someone's who's haram? A can't wipe it off? Right? You can't go
to the bathroom and clean it off. Right?
What's the point? It's already it happened already. And either he
doesn't know It's haram. In which case,
he's a newbie, so leave, let them grow a little bit or he knows it's
haram and you're redundant. There's literally no point and
you're a stranger, you totally foreign to this person. And you're
going to tell them it's haram. Like, well, there's no point in
this. So
that's the second reason. So number one reason some people may
not have the humility to go to a masjid. Some people, they have
such baggage, there'll be too afraid to go to the masjid
and be judged by everybody.
So, they do need some dough. So now let's go to the next point. If
you give them Dawa
in a space outside the masjid, like a coffee shop, like a roots,
or any one of these other places? Well, there's not many other
places to be honest, right? Maybe there are under the radar. But now
we ask the question, oh, what is the nature of what you're going to
be doing there?
So the attempt of Osama Khanna may Allah have mercy on him and others
is to create a place a space for such people where the regular
Moscow and people who may judge them and say something to them,
are not there
to try to flee those people.
Number two, they're also trying to create a non sacred space where
you don't have to observe the the sacred rules of the mosque.
Because that they made that may be too heavy for them.
The second reason that they're making this this alternative third
space. Thirdly, they want to be able to talk to them themselves
with a very simple bow.
Without much pressure. And that environment that looks like an
environment they know like a coffee shop.
That's the third motive,
right to make it look like a place that already comes to maybe these
people they don't know how to sit on the floor. They'll feel so
alien sitting on the floor. So point being is that it's not it's
understandable this intention to say listen, the regular Masjid is
a bar too high for some people.
It's fathomable, it's not off the wall. So we have to create a space
for people who, yes, who are assailed with the disease of
arrogance, have too much baggage and are just not
accustomed to the way of the massage. So let's just take that
is that like so far off of a concept? Just just that
What do you think?
Turn that seems
like my original thought of it, or, you know, reaction to go into
those places are like, Why isn't this just happened? Yeah.
A lot of times you can get
No, it's not plugged in. Alright.
So while he's plugging it in,
yeah, seeing said that.
When he looks at these things, he immediately says, Why does it just
happen in domestic?
Yeah, because I mean, I was thinking about, like, the work
that you do here, like you have the institution and then the
institutions home is just the Masjid. Yeah. But I like a lot of
places that are not able to do that. And in the beginning, you
know, the teacher that I was sitting with, you know, he would,
you know, he would like, like dance around the the T word does.
And, you know, he'd be afraid to say it and then every time he
would say it, then you would like, you know, have a disclaimer, then
a little explanation and then continue the train of thought. And
maybe that's maybe that could just be the level that that a community
is at. And how about let's take a look at another
Example. They'll day laborers, the Mexican and Ecuadorian and
Honduras and Dominican Republic. Do you think that they would ever
flourish as a community? If they had to go to a predominantly Arab
or DC Masjid?
You would never have a community for them. This is so intimidating
in so many different ways. It's a new religion, a new, doubly new
culture. He's already not American. He's foreign in America.
Now he's going to go into a foreign land a foreign building in
a foreign country, right? Yeah. On top of that, oh, look at these
guests. Come on, in gentlemen. It's about double. And so like the
barrier of entry to, I guess, like the Dawa in general can be
can be shortened if, if they if there's a third space? Yeah, for
example, like, like a non Muslim shows up in the masjid. That was
kind of awkward. Yeah. But non Muslim shows up in one of these
places. It's kind of like ethnocentric welcome. Yeah. No,
come as you are my man. What's happening? And I'll tell you
what's going on too. It's the regulars of the masjid that will
will chase away any person who just walks in the regulars of the
Masjid.
Eventually, early on, come sit. Yeah. Called Monica Jean. Why is
he sitting there?
The regulars of the masjid, this is the truth. This is their they
have taken the masjid as their home. It's their my safe space.
It's my neighborhood space. Right? And that's not a good quality, but
not every common person is a day and has the tact of Dawa. That's
the truth. I again, guarantee you, there are many, many converts, who
shouldn't be told, don't go to that mustard, you will be told off
you something bad's gonna happen. Even if it's something innocent.
Like I guarantee you, you're gonna have a guy who works in it hardly
speaks English. He's gonna walk up to somebody total genuine
genuineness and love and everything. But the cultural
nature of the discussion and the ignorance on both ends of each
other will cause him to leave. Like how many times a convert will
walk in, Masha, Allah, what's your name? Well, my name is Christian.
Oh, you are no Muslim? Well, I've been muscle for six years. Oh, you
should change your name. You can't be Christian and Muslim, right?
He's totally like, and this distinct to him. This didn't cross
his mind at all. He's like he keeps going on with his life. He
didn't realize he just totally bothered somebody who may think
that to them. That's a huge interaction that what had just
happened is huge. I'm never coming back here again.
So I would like to make both sides are innocent, but it's just the
ignorance of one another that makes them want to flee.
So people create these third spaces. We're talking about these
third spaces, right? The reason that they're made, it's not
outlandish. The reasons that they're made is that the people
they're catering to will be turned off from masajid.
Even some people with handicaps have been told off. Not
intentionally, right. It was sort of been told off right.
Or not told off but treated in sensitively. So we said the first
reason is there are people too arrogant to go to a masjid and
change his way of of living? You got a 50 year old guy. He never
sat on the floor in his life. He's never been to a Arab or DC
building in his life. Why would he go into your building? Right? He's
arrogant. Arrogant. People don't deserve some doubt. Right? All
right. So you have to cater to that. Number two.
You have people with great baggage,
a lot of baggage and within one conversation needed to give
himself away. Right? Number three, its culture. Some people it's a
barrier to entry. That is unnecessary. The culture of the
mess the culture of the people there, the nature of the sitting,
what's going on here have no clue what's going on. What it was. We
go in there and we see okay, people praying nephila Before
McCullum. People pray. I mean, before Isha, for example, people
praying Neff and after Aisha,
a guy over there making will do
a pair of socks in the masala is not foreign to us.
Right? Do you know how many people that's all this site right there
that you just saw for 50 for 510 minutes is completely foreign to
them. Now on top of that, he's still going to learn something new
about Islam and archaea. Why all these unnecessary barriers of
entry? That's the logic behind these third spaces. Okay, so now
we have to get to the controversial part. There's a lot
of
All this I think everyone can understand this so far, right? But
here is where the controversial side of things come into play.
Which is namely, the question of when a Muslim operates a third
space in the name of Dawa.
What monk Herat? Will he be tolerant of?
And is that correct? Are we allowed to tolerate monka?
Sometimes you think maybe you know what?
Certain things a knowledgeable Muslim just cannot do. He just
cannot do it. If an ignorant Muslim does it, that's his thing.
Right? That's, that's another EB innocent, right? But certain
things just get or can we bend and look for the barely acceptable
positions in med hubs to establish something? Right. Now, let me ask
you another question.
Are we going to act like we also don't go to restaurants and coffee
shops that do have music in the background? So why is it okay for
us to attend it? There is seems to be to attend we can attend in
these places, but we couldn't establish it. Yeah, maybe you can
have an argument for that. Yeah. Okay, you're going because you
have no other place to go.
You'll meet someone at a coffee shop, and they have music in the
background, non HIV people all over the place for you as a guy,
let's say
because you have no other place to go. So maybe yeah, that's but I
can't establish that for myself. I can't go and do that myself. Yeah,
that's an argument.
But if a Muslim were to do that, and sometimes these places are
like that, they don't have many rules. It's just like a coffee
shop. And then once a week someone comes gives a talk. And it's
understood that this is, you know, a Muslim third space type of
coffee shop, where all these things are not going to be forced
on anybody, all these rules will not be forced on people.
That's where you start getting people to to criticize it.
Okay, so you criticize it? Because it seems like when you establish
it, when you do it, you're approving of it, you're approving
of all these more cuts, right? You're approving of all this
stuff. And on top of that, the second criticism comes, when now
you've actually created a very attractive place for the knifes.
Now you have
to love Adam, sort of getting lazy? And say, Yeah, let's just go
here, right? And feeling like maybe Are you now doing them a
disservice, because you're pulling them down? I'm telling you what
the critiques are not saying what's what is accepted sound or
not, this is just a discussion. These are the critiques. The
critiques are.
It's one thing where I have no other place to go.
It's another thing for me to establish that kind of restaurant,
or kind of third space, or coffee shop.
Second critique is, yeah, I get you're, you're attempting to reach
a certain audience, but you're actually opening you're sort of
allowing other members who should be, you know, aspiring something
higher. Right. So for example, we have mbyc We never had a coffee
shop around here. Claiborne is not so close to MBSE. But let's say
hypothetically, neck tchotchkes became a cool hangout space, a
Hiber or a Harada house. Right next door to MBSE. All of our
meetings used to happen in the masjid. We observed the rules in
the masjid to sanction sanctity of the masjid you absorbing that
whole whole thing. The column was established we're praying we're
doing everything next door a Muslim guy comes in opens up a
coffee shop.
Great meeting space, plenty of outlets, tables, chairs he's got
some music
and it's a mix place now all the people used to have their meetings
in the massage and and we're benefiting or now just go in there
because a Maybe it's easier on his legs. Maybe for whatever reason.
So yeah, I can You can fathom also that that's a disappointment.
That's a drop. You used to always be in the house of Allah Now
you're in a coffee shop. That is a drop.
So it's a it's, it's an upgrade for someone who never was in any
Islamic environment at all.
And now started to go to this place. At least he sees other
Muslims. Maybe there's a little corner for Salah. And if there's
monka it's gonna have a limit.
But at least he's around other Muslims. Yeah. So for some people,
it's an up it's an increase. We know people who dropped out of
Masjid communities because they want to stray and not innocent.
They chose to go straight. That's their choice. Who knows what
factors they had in their life but they
that's their choice. They they went that route in life now.
I do see a lot
Out of those people feel much more at home at these Muslim coffee
shops. And that is a little step up because they will mingle with
other Muslims who are better influences than let's say if they
were,
you know, at some other place, other third space that had
nothing, no connection to Islam.
So there's two perspectives on it. There's the perspective of
somebody who, who's who actually
didn't need it, and has went from a lofty, lofty your place to this
place. And there's a perspective someone who's in a worse place to
a higher place.
All right, so that's, that's those are the points of the discussion.
Right.
What do you think?
I think this is, I think there's a lot of institutions that we
respect, meaningful on, like, Muslim knows, or even seminaries
that if you looked at the pictures of their like location when they
started 10 years ago, you'd be like, Wow, that's crazy. Meaning
it'd be like, it'd be like a small room. Yep. And no, there was no
sort of barriers or gender separation there.
Maybe men and women are coming through the same entrance. But
what they've done over the past 10 years, is that you have that they
are now they have a gender, they have a small gender separation,
maybe look put up, like we have an MBI see the small barriers that
are there. And then now they've separated the men's women's and
the woman's entrance. And then now they've, like, basically, it's
it's an incremental thing. And I think one thing that people don't
understand is that even though you've maybe perhaps you have
lived your, your, your family, your extended family, and your
entire culture has lived their life in this particular way. And
this is an absolutely normal thing for you for you to like, complete,
you know, pada or like, there's a curtain entire way through your
house. And you know, like, it's that's just the normative, how you
live, how you live, how your family lives, and everything like
that. But I think it's what people don't realize is that there's a
lot of people that just don't live that way. Yeah. And for them to
come to a masjid. And then just like, it's a big paradigm shift
for them. And yes, it like, I don't think anyone's going to sit
here and argue yet it is better to move towards, you know, and even
that sort of degree of separation and have its own harms and its own
detriments, but to move generally, in that direction is, I think, a
pretty objective good.
And I think the whole thing is, are you progressing? Are you
moving in a particular direction? Because a lot of times, it just
seems like these places seems to stagnate. They start at one place,
and then later. Great point. Great point. Here's the other critique.
People go there. And then they never advance. Right? Here's my
academic, sort of intellectual academic response to that, is that
that sort of is an eyeball test. If you know what I mean by that.
Like, that's not real data.
Number one piece of information. We don't have, let's say
hypothetically, he stagnated at that level. Yeah, he prays Jamaah
he doesn't he may read have Ghazali books or Rumi books on his
shelf, right? And by a scarf here and there.
But he's still mingles the listen to music. Here's the question, do
you know, do we have can we ever know? Or do we know what his
alternative would have been?
Like that person who always goes to that type of Islamic thing? If
in the absence of that, what would he have been like? If all you had
was ideal,
and the rest of society, and you never had this gray middle? You
don't have? Like it's very easy to fathom, it's not crazy to think
that without this, he would have been an if he definitely would
have would have not have been at the ideal, he would have been far
worse. So we don't have that piece of information to make that
judgment call. But we do also, I can also do an eyeball test until
Yeah, this guy, if he wasn't here, he would have been somewhere else.
So I as much as we could say that he's not advancing. I could also
tell you without this crutch. Without this middle space that we
don't necessarily endorse nor condemn.
He would have been far worse. That's one piece of second thing.
We also are seeing what are we seeing a two year, three year
window or a one decade? Right? Everyone commenting on this is
young, right? So what are we seeing here a decade? Well, what
if someone's arc is longer than a decade?
What if someone to transform themselves, what takes them to
transform in 15 years? What you took in one year, right.
That's fathomable to it's fathom. Well, we haven't seen the rest of
the arc of this person yet. Yeah, so maybe he'll he'll be in this
call who was shot
powerhouse I don't wanna say call warehouse to not ruin the brand or
the company because there is a company called cobble house.
CO who has shop is die was seen
for 10 years. For 15 years, he may be in that maybe that's a 15 years
it took for his situation to improve and to change. And then
when he has a wife and kid, maybe the things will start changing,
right.
So maybe that's the second piece of information, we don't have that
long vision of how people are going to change.
So that's, that's that's the response to the oft often spoken
critique that, you know, these places they don't advance. The
people go there and they just stagnate.
Right, so stagnation. It may appear a stagnation to us.
But I'll tell you another reason that some people know they never
they don't change a lot.
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All right. So Ibrahim duel, Abdullah saying previous podcast,
we said that we shouldn't use this argument.
And we should insist that people respect Joomla. And someone who
says at least they come to Joomla is actually wrong? Because we
should keep the status, right? Yes. So that's, that is the case
in uplit. When you have already come to a place that has a
standard, right? You're coming to a place that has a standard keep
the standard high.
Now, if you are now trying to appeal to people who will not go
to that message that place, they will not go to that place.
It's not a crazy idea to say alright, let's make a let's let's
break the fall. Let's accept the reality as it is. Yes, he we can
blame them all that we want. But that's not going to get us
anywhere. Let's accept the reality as it is these people they will
not come to Masada for different reasons. And we give we listed
three reasons. Either these too arrogant, or it's culturally too
foreign to him. Or he has too much baggage, he's ashamed. Those are
three reasons people won't come to a masjid. Right. And I would say
the last two are less guilty, the one he's guilty. He's arrogant,
but
doesn't he still Don't you still want to break the fall? Those are
the three reasons. So that's why they make this third space. And as
a result of that, you know, we have this big discussion. So
here's another question I have to ask, or a statement really, I'll
tell you the real reason people are motivated to make these so
called third spaces. The or I should say alternative third space
because the first third space, for most of us, at least here is a
masjid. For many people. It's not that they they're one of these
three categories, right? But the real motive is that
people have in their own families.
Individuals who have fallen off
kids, siblings,
good.
Other relatives, they're responding to that. They've
suffered for a decade dealing with that. That's driven them to create
this space
and not listen to what anyone has to say anymore. Because you oh you
people who are so self righteously criticizing us. I reached out to
you guys for 10 years. You cannot reach out to these people. They're
there for whatever reason, innocent or guilty. There's a
there's a chasm between you two. There is a chasm for whatever
reason. We're not gonna say who's innocent who's guilty. But you're
here, they're here and you're not meeting
And
so therefore, we're gonna make this third space. And I don't care
what you have to say, because I have to have to have a crisis to
salvage here.
And I'm not saying I'm building anyone up, I'm breaking their
fall, I'm actually decreasing the harm that they could be in. That
by itself is a type of obligation, we have to say that it is a type
of obligation to see someone going 60 miles into a brick wall. Okay,
and at least take his foot off the pedal a little bit, and turn the
wheel a little bit, you can save his life that way, right, he's
still hitting the wall. But instead of going 60 miles into a
brick wall this way, pull the wheels a little to the left, let
it the passenger seat hit at 30 miles an hour. Yeah, he'll get
some neck, he'll be in a neck brace, but he won't be in a
Janessa.
That's not this is not unfathomable. This is complete
common sense. It's just that most of us aren't in that situation.
And
I find it a bit arrogant to look down
on these situations. And I find it in arrogance that is maybe based
on ignorance. And it's one of the tricks of iblees to make you
measure everybody against the standard with which Allah has
blessed you to reach.
I mean, let's take some of our families, right? Not all of our
families were practicing Muslims, but some of us may come from a
family, you could say, for your whole family life you have not
seen monka open in your households is not accepted in your house. And
you've seen all colors of righteousness and piety in your
home.
Okay.
So that person at that, at that point would be is foreign this,
this, this market is foreign to them. And if he's raised that way,
never raised have any sensitivity that other things exist. Right?
And it could happen to you. So a lot of kids, for example, any kids
who grows up, kids do not put themselves in other people's
shoes, innocently. Right. They don't put themselves in other
people's shoes. So they may go past the poor person and see that
their house is dirty. Say what kind of towel dirty? These people
are right? Yeah, so he has he doesn't know what poverty is. He
doesn't know what depression is. He doesn't know any of these
things.
Well, what happens if that child keeps growing and nobody tells him
that now he's like, 20 year old and he's in what I said
facetiously the 18 year Surya program, right futsal program, and
one person actually took it seriously and responded. Now
there's no such thing as an 18 year program. I was just being
facetious right. Because these these it seems that these Sharia
programs, you know, they keep going, right? If that program
Doublelift that program, right? So if you're in that environment the
whole time, how does shaytaan ruin you?
He can't get you to judge. He can't get you to to mess up a
muscle. He can't get you to skip Salah that's out of the question.
He can't even get to skip us. So nuts out of the question, right?
How does he say it's on get you to these people? Okay? To get them to
root nullify all their deeds? Easy. look down on others. That's
the easiest way. But in the name of religion.
Right. Oh, he's doing a munkar in the third space? He's 100%.
Correct. But if you looked at the whole picture, right, you probably
would have a lot more mercy. When talking about that Mocha, and not
saying it's not a mocha, we don't say that the ends justify the
means it's extremely important principle and Sharia. Even if you
have a technique of Dawa, that has brought 10,000 people into Islam,
yet it's a forbidden technique. It's so forbidden and your sinful.
And Allah guides whom He wishes how he wishes, even through monka.
That's possible, right? The World Cup had brought many non Muslims
entered Islam because of the World Cup, even in entire families and
some pictures I saw an entire Brazilian family entered Islam and
put their entire, like so many people entered Islam in Qatar,
that does not change the ruling that spending how many hundreds of
millions of dollars on sports? Is Mocha, just
flat out sinful to spend that much money on on to spend less than
that hat? If they spent 10%. It would still be sinful. Right?
That's this the ruling in Islam? We don't spill money on on these
things. Right. Yeah, they may say someone may say it's not the sport
that we're getting. It's the people's attention, and we got it.
All right, fine. But nonetheless, it's more, right. We're not
spending going around encouraging everyone to spend that much money
that much time on play. That's not in Islam.
So that doesn't mean some good won't come out of it.
And it also doesn't mean because good comes out of it that it
becomes halal. That's not how we law is made in Islam. So just keep
that in mind. But
if you saw the whole picture
You may actually be a lot more kind tempered and humble in your
critiques.
Right? And that's the point that
this is how shaytaan causes a very righteous person to lose all their
good deeds and to fall from the love of Allah possibly. Right?
This is how it's happened. So
yep, be careful never to look down upon anyone else, because Verily,
the center is closer to Allah than the arrogant one Subhan Allah, the
sin be careful not to look down on sinners because sinners are nearer
to Allah to Allah than the arrogant the sinner can make is
broken and knows he's a sinner. Miss namely, this is the sinner
who knows he's a sinner and feels down about it.
Not the sinner who believes his sin is acceptable. He is a cafe it
could be a careful at that point. Or the sinner who stubbornly
stubbornly waging war against God with his sin not we're talking.
The one he knows he's messed up in the he's a failure in the deen
is better in the sight of Allah than the arrogant person. The
arrogant person may benefit hundreds of 1000s of people, but
with Allah he's hated.
There's a difference. Now Thomas is perfectly he says, in his
tagit, I would use this full mouse to do my mouse, Zhu Li will
iftekhar I don't mean a thorough nihilist. Well, it's just one of
the great hiccup of him. And I thought, so. Don't be fooled by
who you benefit, you may benefit 100,000 people and he be despised
by Allah for his arrogance.
And another person, he doesn't benefit anybody. He can't benefit
himself. Yet every day he feels terrible about himself. He's in a
better position with Allah. Simple as that. So that's what what
is something we have to be careful two tricks of bliss. Number one,
anything that works, let's just do anything that works as long as we
get them in. That's the trick of victories. Right? ends don't
justify the means. And it's not we cannot do what's unlawful. Now, if
you are weak, and you're trying to do your best, but some unlawful
things slip in. Alright, we can hopefully, that can be addressed.
But the second trick of Iblees is on righteous people.
His actions are all righteous. So how does the police get to this
person, make him look down on everybody else? Right. And that's
why I believe part of spiritual Tobia is exposure. If you're a
thought of him,
and all you're exposed to is my shave, and our rod, and books, and
other righteous people have levels of piety,
while being totally ignorant
of the other ways people live, you're primed to be targeted with
arrogance. He's you're gonna see that and you're gonna feel so
disgusted by them and hate them and not know how they live and why
they're living like that. That's how Shakedown gets you. But if you
are somebody, and this is what we're one of the things we're
trying to do here to be a thought of, and yet simultaneously you in
your consciousness that people are suffering out there. People are
working so much day and night. The idea of doing a lot of a bad it's
just so overwhelming to them. Just to be aware, that's it, to be
aware of that will make you immune to this arrogance, and some people
just to go to their families. You every the bigger the family, the
more mixed it's going to be. That's the truth. Right? And to
see, Oh, hold on this guy. This is just like my aunt, so and so.
Right? Yeah, she's got a good heart, but she's a little crazy
ideas, right? She's a mixed bag. Well, why don't you see everyone
else has a mixed bag too. All right.
I'm telling you, be careful. The people who are very pious don't
let shaytaan ruin all your good deeds through arrogance
in consideration, looking down upon these efforts, alright, what
it was completely unacceptable for us.
In such a third space, well, obviously what would be completely
you know,
unjustified. In the deen anything that would be completely
unjustified in the deen.
It's about making haram Hala.
Or, you know, purposely and openly promoting. Alright, let's talk.
Let's talk about this one. This one was a tough one.
How about one time in California, a group did the unprimed Muslims
who don't go to the prom. But this is really was hard for them not to
go to the prom.
And they want an alternative. So they made their own Islamic prom.
If there's such a word, right, everyone gets dressed up. They go
to the party. There is a gap between men and women. They have
dinner and a party and there's music.
Not gonna say that they even put Islamic music music, right? It was
just music.
But there was no data
Think no guys and girls think there was mingling, obviously,
there's going to be mingling, but they tried to keep it a little bit
separate. And they did that. Alright, here's my point. Yes,
it's probably
it's there's a lot of milkers there. But you're maybe dealing
with that person who's headed to the brick wall.
And a couple parents probably got together, said, listen, the US
problems is so bad. And our kids are so upset. We got to decrease
it a little bit. So I'm not saying is this Khaled I'm not saying I
would let my kids go to that type of thing. But I look at it with an
eye of compassion because these people, for whatever reason, their
kids are going a different way, in life, right? And they just want it
to decrease a little bit. So
the it doesn't sit right with me to just
to put something down, I'll tell you when, when it's it's another
point that needs to be brought up.
Pious, the people who are live in piety and in observance of Allah's
law don't have to go to everything, right, they don't have
to go to these things. What everything and now in the Islamic
sphere has to be suitable to you. One time we even had an event for
the youth that we tried to make to bring in the kids who don't go to
the massages.
And someone complained and said some of the kids who go there, you
know, they got their ear AirPods on their on their phones the whole
time. They're like their bad influences. To the regular Masjid
going kids. What are we going to do? I have a solution. Your kids
don't come? Right.
Because it's not made for you. If you're someone who right is that a
certain level of behavior Islamic behavior because your parents
because of whatever reason, okay? Then you need to make a another
type of event for the regular public school kids without any
pressure.
Just at least show up the shelf to the masjid is a meeting point
only, right? We we meet we pray. I also and we all go go to Brooklyn
or something, right?
And then come back for for maybe for Aisha, maybe fresh, right.
But at least they showed up and they were under some of our if
that's Oh my gosh, they're going to be exposed to kids talking
about lyrics, talking about whatever. So don't bring your kid.
Not every master program has to be for your kid. Not every Islamic
institution in the country Muslim run institution has to be for you.
Right. Simple as that. I don't think any of us would disagree
with the saying that our beloved Klaver is not a place for tillable
ale after 11pm. Right? Even in Ramadan. Right? You pick it up and
you leave. Why it's the scene. Right? And at a coffee shop guys
not guilty isms running a store, right? I'm not it's not my job to
make to a judge who comes in my building in my store and said, No,
you can't shop with me here because your hair is showing. No,
you're wearing shorts you can't buy from me. It's not how it
works. He's running a coffee shop.
But you told him
you can go there at 3pm 6pm on a Tuesday, not 11pm On Saturday, not
9pm on Saturday evening, right? It's going to be a scene. It's not
appropriate for you to be there at that point. But for other people,
that's extremely beneficial for other people to have a place like
Kleiber and UCLA houses coming then hurrahs is coming, it's all
coming. It's going to be a whole third space scene. Third space
row. You know that it's all coming harassers coming down the street
from Kleiber house is going to be down the street from her us right
this is great for certain people suffering certain things the other
one huh modulus ism Where's this coming? Summer is it are they
going to forbid wrong there
that's that's what we'll go right.
He called it imagine this right. So yeah, eventually people. We're
going to be the minority we need a coffee shop to with trees down the
plants down the middle, complete gender segregated coffee shop with
casita is running right. It's upon Allah. But anyway,
those are all my thoughts on the subject. Now we can open it up to
the people on the stream also Eliane you have your thoughts?
Yeah, here what do you think?
Olga?
Okay,
yeah
that's it last we covered it.
I think we covered every aspect of it right now
Have
we covered every aspect of it? So that's it. Now we can go to the QA
for a little bit open QA.
Actually, one thing. Yeah. Got stick the mic from the
administration side. Like you said, you mentioned that some
people do have progress little by little over 10 years. But that's
for the consumer. What about if I'm the one running that place?
And I keep it, the activities the same? The separation? Same? I eat
no separation for 10 years? Well, sure. There are people benefiting?
Yeah. But
I mean, what about me, I have to, it's like, I'm just deficient.
You're a fishnet. But but you're dealing with new fish every day.
You may be there for 10 years, right? But you're dealing with
newcomers for 10 years. Every year, you're getting someone new.
How do I justify that? Like, I'm, I can't just say okay, I'm doing.
Like you said, I can't be doing the smoker like I'm thought of.
Okay, so say
we're actually gonna start to Spaceballs the thought of it. But
yeah, let's say someone is, and they happen to start it with good
intentions in the beginning, they I want to start with different
phases, or fishnet first. All right, then we come in, we cook
these fish, skin, this fish, and then we cook it. And then we have
a whole program. But now if I'm stuck at the fishnet, and there's
so much monkey going on, and I'm doing facilitating it, sure,
there's people benefiting but I don't think you can ever justify
facilitating a mocha.
So then what's, what's the line? Like? You have to you have to only
facilitate something acceptable in the form of hubs. That's the
truth.
Right? These can exist, like, but then none of these can exist. So
then, who does it? Basically, who takes on that institution will
always be that phase? Yeah. It will always be that phase. It's
not, you're not going to take that institution and move up. But I
think the best thing is that institution to be married
to or connected somehow to something another step up. Right?
Yeah, connected to the other step up, because there's there's no
funnel. Okay. Let's just say, someone did advance for two years.
Yeah. Now let's see this third space closes. Now the question is,
is that person? Did he benefit enough from that third space that
he can float? Or is he just going to drown after this third Speight
closest you could drink maybe. But some people are like that. There
are people in the community, you have to give them a lifeboat for
their whole life financially. Some people are like that, I come to
the conclusion, there are some people, they will just be for cut
out for life. Right? You just the community has to take care of
them. Right? There's no concept of get yourself Pull yourself
together. He's just going to be like that. There are also people
in the dean who are like that.
For their whole life, they you just if the moment you your hand,
let's go this person is defeated by his knifes, or by the dunya. I
mean, that's what you create a pipeline, right? Like, for
example, if we take Safina I mean people that are watching the
stream, they want to learn some Islamic knowledge. But if they
want to take it a step further, they have ArcView. Yeah. And then
if you want to take it even further, and that will flood. And
then same thing for like these colleges, for example, you have
like MSA, yeah. Right. The people that go to some assays, maybe
they're not the most religious, oftentimes, it's a very mixed
crowd. But then it might be known, for example, like what we have in
Rutgers here is that we have like an adult lasagna club. Yeah.
Right. So people they know that's there. And if you want to take it
a step further, further, they you know, they like there's actual
classes going on, this is serious. So you can float, but I think that
people don't want to, like swim further. They have that option.
Right? So the pipeline is probably when you have to have that
pipeline. And you have to have the expectation that some people won't
move.
So you maintain that section, but then you have that option there.
Yeah. that you guys can advance. So there's people that go, Yeah,
well, surely not benefit, and it may harm them.
Which is, which is fine, right? Because you can say it again,
there will be people that go maybe like close to love, that if they
were to go to these spaces, it would actually be more harmful for
them. They shouldn't go to some people, they shouldn't go. But
here's the thing, like if they don't go and if there aren't
people that are good, yeah. And there's just a bunch of people who
are involved in monka, who is going to help advance these
people. If everyone is the same at the same level, and they're all
just Okay, now you have a bunch of people who are doing one cut
outside of this third space. Yeah. And now you gather all those
Muslims who are doing monka No, and now they're just doing monka
with Muslims thinking that it's okay to do but there's no one who
is better to actually guide them and to tell them anything. If we
tell these people not to go, Well, we have to I think you always have
to, you have to preach advancement.
Like you always have to advertise these other places. But again,
like you can never first intentionally facilitate a mocha.
You could have a very low barrier.
Right, like what is barely headed
by a by reliable sources? Yeah. Right.
For every single thing that you say there could be an answer,
although it's not the ideal and it's not the safest, but it's
there is an answer. Once you do that philosophy to do that, but
then you can advertise that there is
you can advertise that.
You know, there are better programs to go study more, you
know, have won all that stuff. Yeah.
You know?
How much can you force someone nowadays? Like maybe in the past?
It's like, you're in your community? Yeah. If there's like,
all the programs are pious, you're gonna become pious. If there's
Parliament like you live in summer fund, they're gonna become an item
no matter what. Today, people like if they don't like something, they
can go drive a little. That's exactly why people, the people who
make these spaces, that's what's haunting them.
What's haunting them is that if only this existed, my sister would
have been better my brother would have been better. My son would
have been better, my daughter would have been better. And I know
a chef. Not in here. He's in your, but he opened up a type of very,
just like this kind of third spacey thing. I didn't even know
what it is. Like, what is msgid? No. Is it? Are there classes here?
No. Is it a coffee shop? Who knows? Right? But I'm pretty sure
the motivation was his own kids. He saw that his kids, for whatever
reason, forget the past. He could be guilty. They could be guilty.
You just don't know. Right? It's irrelevant. But between them in
the masajid, and the ideal is a big
cavernous
chasm.
Right?
What is he going to do? He's got to break the fall somehow, at
least let them be within a Muslim environment. At the very least,
speak
with these coffee houses, legal to enforce gender? No. Yeah, you can.
You can. So like, if I open like a coffee shop, if you open the
coffee shop, you can have segments. This is a family area.
This is a guy's area. This is a growth. If you want us to do that.
You could do that. Yeah. I don't know. What's going to happen if
someone says no, I'm not observing that but and then if I say, yeah.
Is it permissible? Alright, we're gonna stick to two subjects on
this. Thoughts on Halal fest.
Halal food festivals.
Well, listen, I think sometimes they need to make bigger spaces.
Some of the hymns are so crammed. You're rubbing up against people
so much that ends up becoming unlawful for us. But
other than that, the other debate was do we do them in the last 10
nights of Ramadan? So that's your taking people out? I actually used
to do it on the first Saturday night of Ramadan, not the last 10
Do it on the first Saturday night last and you have the less than
nights you shouldn't take good distract from that. In my opinion,
personal opinion
on what you say about them
as a frequenter of these, I guess, yeah, you went. So we went for
just a little bit to see what kind of food there was. But then we got
in there, and it's kind of like an arena. It's like, there's a bunch
of vendors that make like a giant circle in this parking lot. Yeah.
And everyone is just within that circle. And there's like people in
lines for restaurants, the lines are big. And you kind of have to
walk through lines sometimes. But sometimes there'll be so crowded
that there'll be like a woman next to you. On your right, left front
back. And it's like, you can't move. Yeah, but they're also not
moving because they're in line. Yeah. So, but yeah, that food
festival.
It's okay. The but the other there's a scene in Dallas. Big
scene. Yeah. I mean, we shouldn't sit down but there's this big
scene Muslim scene in Dallas. Like you said, there's like 10
different coffee shops. Yeah. And people at least what they're doing
is they're praying a thought away. And then they're mostly
which is good because a lot of people they're their friends are
like, this is what it's good to mix. It only opens after a raucous
No, it's definitely open. Yeah. But everyone floods in after that
I say okay, but some people they have to take a fall a little bit
to get these people in
like to me Storage Spaces maybe it's good if if a thought it was
strong and he's charismatic to go into these spaces and maybe like
Mr. Mars like a magnet with these people for for who which gender
all all all 60 genders okay Mars
like for example,
but
so if you can get some of these people and be like, hey, like,
before we go to the coffee shop, let's pray ish, at least. Yeah.
And then maybe next year, pray to it. I guess that's how it is.
That's how
It is it's your have to massage it in. And but the thing is, you will
always have that crowd. It's not the idea that you're only going to
get that crowd once, and then you move up with them like a class in
a school, that there will always be new people, right? And people
leaving and people coming. So that's why these, my personal
opinion, if you don't, if you don't have a gradient,
and you just have the ideal and nothing else, he will suffer a
lot. Right? So the question is, how do we put that gradient in
without
ourselves doing the mocha? That's the key. You as an organizer
should not do it.
Okay, you don't have control over people in your public space. You
establish a public space, you yourself, don't have the Mocha,
don't do the mocha.
And now we can discuss okay, but am I
kind of guilty for facilitating it? All right, let's say
a couple to love and open the coffee shop. What's it gonna look
like? All right. Do I see munkar happening at 11pm? And say
shutting down colorless. No one drink coffee after? Go home? He
could if he wants, right, there's a big like red button. Yeah,
emergency shelter. That's it?
Yeah, so that's where these this is up for discussion. Right? At
what point? Am I guilty? For creating a public space where
people can do monka but I myself am not doing it. I'm not selling
anything unlawful, right? At some totally within the lawful. But
people are hanging out here in ways that I would not want my own
kid saying, you
know, that's a tough question.
It's a tough question you can only tell is, what's the ruling for
let's say, the owners of of a restaurant who had that have that
situation? Are we gonna go tell them shut your place down? He's
just say by what? Shut a lot. Am I responsible for who comes in buys
and sells?
Right? We are responsible, though.
All right.
We are responsible for our own kids. And nobody's to say if you
would accept it for your kids you should accept for other kids. No,
that's not the case. I can accept something for other people's kids.
I don't know except for my kids. Because other kids have different
circumstances. Right.
Other kids have different circumstances.
My kids don't have those circumstances.
Next discussion, next comment? Who do you owe who's who's got
something?
All right, let's just go to
some of these comments here. Again, again, a lot of the
comments are we don't see people advancing. I can't it's not real
and right there's not real data right there. It's it could be but
have to step in because you can't just rely on some Muslims who are
slightly more religious than others. To keep her give us like
the point of the shift is just a point. And a scholar is not just
to read books is to see people's Eman 100% 100% If you're not doing
that, you're just teaching classes to with love. And yeah, already
was you might as already strong done at what point what role does
the chef have any mom yeah, and a scholar play in this environment.
That's why the automat said there are there are all all he is is
essentially
and you come and take from it like you take honey from a from a
beehive. But then there are more bees. Robbie's the Mora bee is
someone who's taking you in the from the position that you're in
right now and slowly, trying to get you to a better position.
This is going to be massagin. It's not going to be overnight and it's
not going to be by Zed. Zed is like scolding. It's not going to
be like that. You can scold someone who knows better you can
and should scold someone who knows about it. scold someone who has no
reason not to do is like you have a kid in the House who not who's
not who is lazy about salah you can be scolded right for that. You
don't need to massage that in your in the house your grandma's praise
your dad praise everyone in your lineage just prayed for last 100
years so you have no excuse, right? It's not like you lived a
different life. Right and now we got a massage Salah and you're six
years old, so your eight year old nine years old. You're gonna pray.
So certain things there's no excuses for but there are people
who do have excuses. And again, yeah, they could be guilty. They
could be innocent, whatever.
I think this you have to, if they're not involved in this
gradation of, of institutions, then others will fill those voids
in ways that they don't like
and then
That's why I'm actually a little bit. You know, I think it's
important for them to not just dismiss it. Keep dismissing it
until Allah brings one in your own family who's like that? And see
what kind of heartache you have after that, and see the rejection
you get from the massage for your kid. Yeah, no one masajid our
neighborhood, places that are clean neighborhood mosque, I'm not
saying ajam msgid neighborhood mosques, there are expectations.
If we start getting a kid who has a bad influence in the
neighborhood, must we kick them out of the question? Because why?
Because now, this Masjid is a place for people to benefit from.
As opposed to you now you're harming them, you're a bad
influence. You're not coming to get cured, neutral, you're
neutral, I'm here to get cured, I have my past etcetera. No, you're
now actively harming other people, we will remove you, right?
If you're just you gotta pass, and I'm trying to improve myself done.
And
so
they gotta be involved in these things. But you got to keep
thinking trial and error of how to do it where you are actually
innocent by the book.
That's how it has to be.
Silicon Valley, which has a tagline says,
come as your to Islam as it is. Yeah. So.
Yeah. So that sort of summarizes to me the purpose of this. Yeah. I
mean, it's that's how it is. He says, The tagline of tech leaf
you're talking about come as you are to Islam as it is. But the
there has to be an understanding that, at some point, we can't
cater to the ego too long. At some point, we got to say there are
there's some work that's got to be done spiritual work that has to be
done. Like you have to be able to change a little bit, you can't say
no, I'm not changing at all. There has to be at some point. And
that's up for the person who, who's inviting that crowd to make
that judgment.
Zoe, as are yes, we have a third spaces in the opposite. No. So if
the message here, the coffee shop is here. The Zarya is here, right?
So it's lower in that it's gonna have many people. But it's further
on the on the line on the bell curve.
Because it's for more committed people. The salary also has great
benefits we have to have as though the zawa is for people who want to
have more intense and longer Majelis. They could have done what
a masjid would establish. Right? A Masjid is not going to, you know,
they're just not going to establish what is that we will
establish?
was simple as that, right? They're just going to establish the five
prayers, maybe something here and there. Massage. That's what
masajid are for. Right there for everybody there for weddings there
for whatever everything Jenna has is everything. What happens if I
get people who are now so thirsty, they want to have a medidas they
want to have federal, or let's say images every night,
hypothetically, just Majelis nonstop. That has to be accounted
for to like you need a lot of things in Islamic institutions in
the Muslim world survived because that a lot of institutions, right.
And this is definitely one of them. And props this it's not
we're not going to say it's the most sacred but what happens there
is
the Zoe's so the way Zoe literally just means an angle. And the
reason they call it that, because they tend to be small spots, nooks
and crannies in the city. Because they're on the bell curve. They're
further down the line, but they're lower.
Because their numbers are less, but the intensity is higher.
I want to get a form guys. Input data facts on a form.
Yeah, there's a new prospect
and thought effects on a form. That's as to not just for classes
only Zoe the non stop.
Yes.
You read one of the stories on that earlier. Yes. And one of them
was the junk I became the taxi driver. Yeah. So he was just being
on them for so long. And it took them years to change also. So
repeat that. So you went I think, one or two weeks ago, yeah.
Sort of the attack of another driver was the was the who was who
drove the arm around, and then it took them a while a while for him
to change also. So if you put like someone in a
bad situation into a surrounded by an ideal one, it still takes time.
Takes a lot of time for you to change, right. It takes a lot of
time. But you have to have the Zoja to
what were we saying? I was saying before this that I
I
just lost my train of thought. But yeah, people take time to change.
And if we don't create those, I think it's from our ignorance of
how possible and how likely this stuff is to hit our own families.
Hopefully not our direct family, but your extended family for sure.
Right? You know,
I even know old people grew up on on this crooked path.
Massage is very foreign to them. But what are you going to do?
You're going to give them nothing, right?
So let's say now you're a mom.
And someone invites you to this third space. And it's known to
have a lot of monka. And these things
are from whom? From the admin from the administration, or the tumors
and other people, the people coming in not. It's just what
happens in that space is like, it's just known to everyone that
so people are not dressed properly in the flirting. Yeah, what else
is there?
There's no, there's no drinking? Obviously, no alcohol. Yeah, no,
they're not dressed properly. And they're flirting, right? Yeah, no
barrier, nothing like that. Now they come and they invite you as a
chef.
On one hand, you have your reputation. But on the other hand,
this is what you gave her life for, to help these people. Right?
Like, this is why he became a scholar to help the amount of
those who are going to hit that brick wall. Yep. So I'm wondering,
like, how do you? How do you approach that situation? Because
in our times, it's like, if you're seen in the wrong situation, you
might get cancelled. But at the same time, this is, this is why
you did it.
I'll tell you the answer of what it right off the cuff. I would
say, once, but not so often, that you'll be attached to it. One
invitation, maybe, maybe.
But even those at least, that they should have guys section and a
sister section, right? At least that it's understood, you can have
that. Now the sisters, not how they're dressed does not on me.
It's not on the admin,
because they opened up a coffee shop, which is not a message. So
public space, I can lower my guests. Right? Although my gaze,
and maybe, you know, once but
and depends have to if people are changing, and they're improving
you Rogen. And as for those who would cancel somebody for for
giving a talk there.
The administration has not directly facilitated monka.
You gave a speech that is not accepting of the monkey, either.
You gave it just a good talk. You lowered your gaze and you didn't
flirt around with people. So why they canceled you that's come
their arrogance, in my opinion, and their narrow mindedness.
That's that's how I would view it. If he's going to be speaking good.
Speaking something good. He's talking Well, the attendees may be
wayward, even the Methodist itself, the magis itself, if
you're going to be a speaker there, or a regular speaker, you
should have
apply some of the modesty that we're commanded to apply. You
should make that a request. I should. I don't want to have a
mixed gathering like this. No, separate them like that. And then
I'll come and talk.
Who cancels you for that? Is someone very narrow minded? And
has issues? Right? That's my opinion on that.
It's like, I'm just thinking, like, what would have you ever do
in that situation? Like, would he give the I feel like he would just
give, but he lower his gaze? Of course, like he's a shit. He's the
only one. He's like the most capable of actually giving a
speech. They're not some random Joe Schmo who can. Doesn't have
any desk? Yeah. Yep. But people are like, we shouldn't bring this
Imam because there's so much going on here. Well, what should be the
strongest in their training, what they what he does is he turns his
chair, towards the male side angled towards the male side. So
he never even sees or he puts the old chair on the male side, right.
So this is going to do so there are some parameters that we have
to look at. And we have to observe, no doubt about that. One
time that happened where he was taken to the University. Yeah.
When he was visiting in 2011. And someone had told me that he did
was that while he's giving it was like a completely mixed gathering.
Yeah. So I told me that what he did was he basically sat there is
that night? You're sitting there the entire time. He's talking,
eyes closed sunglasses on.
So
check this out. Question here. Pro West says
this guy supports Kanye.
So we're just gonna do it. Anyway. His name is pro West. Do such
places influence more people away from the Dean
And then towards the end in our people who are already established
in the religion he sank, find these places to be an undoing for
them. And we say it is fathomable to, to have that it's fathomable,
that someone who's always go next to NBC to hang out or to the
messenger to hang out at Asia before Asia after a show you get a
bite to eat with people. Then suddenly,
coffee shop comes around coffee shop comes around, whatever. And
he hangs out there. And now he gets to see what he wouldn't see
in the masjid. Right. And there is no reminder of Scylla no position
of Scylla No, no to love anyone walking in and out that would he
would benefit from its fathomable, we have to address that too.
Right, it is fathom that that would happen. That's what I talked
to some of my colleagues about this. And they said that that's
their big biggest issue. Right? This is their biggest issue with
these things. That's why they don't like them. They see their
students going from here to there, to these kinds of coffee houses,
and no longer shaytaan exists, right? We have to know that
shaytaan works at different angles for different people. And if
you're as m&r thought says, Hey, come, right there is one of the
hiccup sets, if Allah put you in a lofty situation, and you're
seeking a lower situation, right? That's in his hot minute him
Medallia to go down from a high him be very mindful of this. We
may be tolerant of this. But that doesn't mean it's for you. As an
audience, right, you're coming to study Arabic and stuff. So the
expectation is we want to be all going up. If you're on the
trajectory, and you're going up at a speed of let's say 20 miles an
hour.
Now, you've been influenced to go at 15 miles an hour, that's a
down, right, even though you're still doing benefit.
The only time that that could possibly be acceptable is if some
forward come upon you and obligation came upon you to help
others that force you to slow down. But for you to just to go
and hang out in these places because it's easier on your knifes
that's what this you are talking about. And that is something that
has to be discussed. Right and that it should be spoken against.
Even if the sheriff himself establishes the coffee shop is
it's not for you guys. Right? It's not for you guys. Yeah, maybe in
the daytime. That's it, but to take you away from the masajid No,
it shouldn't be
Attila the Hun says
I procrastinate my good deeds. Alright, we want to stick to this
subject. I'll answer it anyway. procrastinate, good designs of
coming across a dunya. We benefit for the action, which makes me
want to do it even more, is my good decrease because I attached a
dunya we benefit to it. No, I don't see I think it is. And the
proof of that is that Allah Himself who permitted betrayed on
Hajj because hedge of course, is a very financial heavy burden. So
people needed to do trade there to finance their trip back. Other
people used to not need financing, he's a Mexican or he's from a jazz
or he's from Egypt, goes to hedge does three months worth of buying
and selling?
Right? In two weeks? So there is no not necessarily does it mean
that your deed is nullified just because you found a benefit?
All right.
How do we refute Christmas with your super rationalism? Well, I
have to look up with the exact terms but let's stick to the
subject of
the spaces and maybe we should interview some people who are
involved in third spaces. What do you think about that? All right.
Are we on Insta?
I have a question. Yep.
So feel free like a pizza shop? That would be like
you have to force it to be what you call out on
gender segregated also. No, I never heard of anything like that.
So it was just like an area where people are known to hang out. I
never heard of that, that you as a restaurant owner, have to monitor
the the nature of your customers. I never heard of anything like
that.
I never heard of anything like the Julian
a tagit.
You would lose business in the first place.
You don't have to I don't think that you have to ask as a
restaurant if a man and a woman come in are married or not. I
don't think you have to ask that. Because
I think that's different from a hotel you know in Egypt is a law
Okay, you have to show that you're because they're sleeping involved,
right? There's no sleeping at night pizzeria. Right.
to people that you would be maybe facilitating. So they actually in
those those hotels, so I don't even know if if if, if I own the
hotel here in the United States, you're not allowed to do that,
first of all, but would you be by Sharia obligated to ask every man
and woman who comes in?
You would be obligated? I think if you could tell that this is a
prostitute, then yeah, that's different. That's that's usually
obvious. But I don't think you'd be obligated to ask
if this man and woman are married or not.
That's best.
Yeah. So in, in Florida, we had a great, I thought it was a great
program. And it kind of fell off a little bit later. I think I have
my own reasons for why it happened. Yeah, basically, they
would do it invite people to fetch. And they would say, if you
don't come to fetch, you don't get to participate in this program.
But it'd be Saturdays at fetch, you'd come and you'd pray. And
they'd have a halacha it wasn't, it wasn't long, Halaqaat like
maybe 30 minutes. And they'd have some, some leaders in the
community who aren't. They're not too old, like, they can still
relate to the youth.
They'd come and they'd give a talk. And they, you know,
sometimes it was just about something random, sometimes it was
prepared, but it drew a lot of people in, you know, and they'd
have events every once in a while, they need to cook breakfast with
one another. And you start seeing people come to the masjid for
fetch on their own regularly. And you got like in the community, we
have forefather of the youth now, masha Allah, who who benefited
from that, you know,
but after the Halacha, you know, you had games basically for a long
time, they'd have soccer in the masjid. Yeah.
And I think that's that's mainly what drew a lot of animals that
live in the mosque and the masala
they in brought and brought a lot of people in. So the question is,
to what extent could you make the measured kind of that third space?
Because I'm thinking of the profitable laryngitis? And I'm
like, did they have a third space? Or what people come to the message
at whatever like as, as it comes to them as as you are,
essentially. So
first of all, the one thing that we're taught is that the prophets
of Allah who seldom used the masjid, for everything, for his
meetings, everything because it was the only building that they
had. That's when things were done. And the reason we're taught that
is that we in the let's say, in the medical school, we are taught
that the Catholic cannot enter the Masjid. But we said hold on a
second in the time of the Prophet the habit, she's the Christians,
they entered the Masjid. They said that was only because of a Dora
there was no such thing as buildings for other people. For
other things to do. So these things, I think they're great
ideas what you're saying, but masala itself has some sanctity to
it. And games
should be done outside.
Come as you are type of attitude with a coffee shop should be done
outside.
And I think we have to reach a level that sometimes not
everything is gonna be directed to everybody. And there very well
could be something established by a sheikh or by a masjid, that is
not meant for the those who are advancing. They should actually be
said, No, you don't go to this, right. You go to something else,
everything. There's a diet for everybody. And Allah knows best.
We're all trying to work this out. Right? We're all trying to work
this out.
The someone keeps asking Stardust Crusader about joining mega bene
Asia and Maghrib. insula in the summertime is in the northern
hemisphere because there's no real night. The best thing is to ask
the few who have lived in that and who go with that every single year
they deal with this. So I think that you should
you should talk to them and they do have fits out for that. Some of
them just have a photo that you pray Maghrib and then an hour and
20 minutes afterwards you pray Asia, if and then some of them
pray Maghrib with Aisha if Magnum is extremely late, to the point
that a person has a great homage and a hardship
in staying up that late than waking up for a fudge and then
going to work sad or someone said about how do we wake up for fetch
for tahajjud in the summer months, it's really hard
money maybe possibly one of the things you can do is
you can pray Maghrib if it's too hard to stay up pressure you can
sleep and inshallah you won't have the CARA here for that the
discouragement of that because you're just doing it out of a
hardship, then wake up fresher than sleep again, then wake up for
200 and Fajr. And Allah knows best but that's one way to do it.
Usually the automa and the audio
He's talked about winter being the best time for fasting and for
tahajjud because it's easy, but it's hard during the summer. I'll
did Boston today that says how much knowledge should have before
enrolling into ArcView plus
you should have taken the Basic Book of Arpita and FIP to go into
ArcView plus and have a basic idea of Arabic. One or two or three
texts in these books should do the trick for you.
What about a third space for those who have neuro disabilities
people can have any space that they want really that's dedicated
for any group that they want. And the only thing on the
administrators is you are Silla Muslim, and you could only do what
is permitted in Islam. But you're not responsible for what the
people do.
So I can open up a gym. Okay?
I'm not responsible now the users of this gym secretly have money on
the game. That's not my duty. Right? You paid five bucks you can
use the gym for the rest of the day. Right? It's not my
responsibility what you guys do on the side you curse each other it's
not my responsibility
This is not my home
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negated those types of things in the public and they even though
they held him to be insane like he's innocent because he wasn't of
the right mind.
But we don't follow those things.
Okay, let's go to doing
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a reason. Is it allowed
said to pray with your hands down in the chef a school does not
invalidate the prayer does not have do it all the time. The Habib
do it to show that it's permitted a prayer raka in the prayer with
their arms down for that reason to show that it does not invalidate
the Salah
was the best revision schedule for Hibbs of Quran every day, every
day from the fire review and the near review at least 20 minutes of
each minimum.
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revise three hours a day.
Do my neffs have rights.
Every desire that Allah created,
it has benefits if it's put in the right place, at the right time, at
the right amount in the right manner. And IBLEES His job is to
take these human desires and make you misdirect them. So that you
don't you'd no longer enjoy them. And you would they would cause you
suffering and distance from Allah. And that's what one of the amazing
things about the sins of temptation is that say in the
human being cannot create a desire, all we could do is enjoy
the desires Allah gave us. You think about that, like you can
there is not a you cannot create a single desire. How amazing is
that? You can only enjoy what Allah gave you. But the job of
Iblees is to make you
miss direct is to miss direct the use of these desires and the way
in which you use them the amount in which use and the time in which
you use them up to the point that this desire becomes your downfall
becomes an addiction and it becomes a downfall and it becomes
a source of disease right for you
and a source of disgust. So that's what IBLEES wants to do.
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