Shadee Elmasry – Syria Update with Bilal Abdul Kareem – NBF 408

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The Safina Society is hosting a live stream discussing contemporary issues related to theology, sharia, and affairs. The speakers emphasize the importance of unity and loyalty to the people, protecting the Iranian people and their families, and finding one's brother in leadership and guidance. They also touch on the difficulties of reaching the United Nations and the lack of human contact in the region. The speakers emphasize the need for unity and loyalty to the people, the importance of protecting the Iranian people and their families, and following the same stance using Twitter. They end with a Q&A session and a discussion of Galmeden.

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			Bismillah ar-Rahman ar-Raheem.
		
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			Alhamdulillah wa salatu wa salamu ala rasulillah wa
		
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			ala alihi wa sahbihi wa man wala.
		
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			Welcome everybody to the Safina Society Nothing But
		
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			Facts live stream.
		
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			It's a live stream where we talk about
		
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			the contemporary issues related to theology, related to
		
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			sharia, fiqh, but also related to the affairs
		
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			of the ummah, which has, we can say,
		
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			been on steroids for the last few weeks
		
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			because the affair, almost the last year since
		
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			Gaza started and nowadays we are talking about
		
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			Syria and let's get straight to our episode
		
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			for today, which is brought to you by
		
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			GRT, Global Relief Trust.
		
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			Omar, when you get a minute, fire that
		
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			up because we help support the Syria Winter
		
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			Drive.
		
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			Amazingly, they started that, they launched it two
		
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			weeks ago and now, and they were going
		
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			to cancel it because they couldn't get on
		
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			the ground with all the events occurring and
		
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			now they're actually expanding their work.
		
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			They're able to go to expand it because
		
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			it's now that there's no war any longer.
		
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			Well, of course, we know that Israel is
		
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			going in, that America is going in, but
		
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			the worries about the Assad regime are not
		
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			there anymore.
		
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			So they are able to now expand their
		
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			work and we raise funds for that.
		
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			One of the things we do on this
		
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			live stream is a dollar here and a
		
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			dollar there is a kaffarah for our sins
		
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			and it's for a good cause, and today
		
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			we have with us a special guest, one
		
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			of the few voices that we can get
		
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			on the ground who's been doing this for
		
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			some period of time now and his news
		
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			outlet is On The Ground News.
		
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			He's been a really amazing source of direct
		
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			information on the ground in places none of
		
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			us can go, even many of the press
		
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			couldn't have gone before, and that is Bilal
		
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			Abdelkarim.
		
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			Welcome to the Safina Society podcast.
		
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			There might be a delay.
		
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			Can you hear us?
		
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			Yeah, I can hear you.
		
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			You can hear us.
		
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			Okay, good.
		
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			All right, welcome to the live stream.
		
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			Okay, so we will begin.
		
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			Welcome.
		
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			Thanks for having me.
		
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			And thanks again for coming on.
		
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			We're going to cover a couple of things
		
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			and mainly questions from Twitter that we received
		
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			on Twitter.
		
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			I want to give people a chance to
		
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			ask the questions and I may reformulate them
		
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			or just pick out the part that's relevant,
		
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			but we're going to go in this following
		
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			order.
		
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			Personal bio, and you can say as much
		
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			as you like about that.
		
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			How to help out people that now they
		
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			want to pitch in.
		
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			We're going to talk about Sidnaya Prison, which
		
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			is probably one of the worst in the
		
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			world that we've seen.
		
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			We haven't seen footage like this before.
		
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			Haven't seen children who didn't even know what
		
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			a bird was or what a tree was
		
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			because he was born out of as a
		
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			result of * and lived their entire life
		
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			in a jail cell.
		
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			Their own childhood.
		
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			We're going to talk about the future government
		
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			and internal affairs.
		
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			And then we have questions on foreign policy.
		
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			So let's begin with the first category of
		
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			questions.
		
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			And this question is from Bilal Sayyid who
		
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			says, Could you tell us about yourself?
		
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			How did a brother from Brooklyn become a
		
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			news source for Syria?
		
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			First of all, as for my bio and
		
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			how I got here, as most of you
		
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			probably already know, I used to be a
		
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			stand-up comedian.
		
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			And that's going back some years ago.
		
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			Very interesting.
		
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			And around 27, 28 years ago, I accepted
		
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			Islam.
		
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			And after I accepted Islam, I had this
		
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			beautiful thing called Islam.
		
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			And I wanted to share it with the
		
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			world.
		
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			I wanted everybody to have a piece of
		
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			it.
		
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			So that kind of began my journey because
		
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			I was always into production.
		
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			I was into music and managing different groups
		
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			and stuff like that.
		
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			So when I became Muslim, I kind of
		
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			just transferred that production savvy from music and
		
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			hip-hop and R&B to actually producing
		
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			stage plays that revolved around some Islamic themes
		
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			and stuff like that and all.
		
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			So that got me started.
		
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			Then I became the program director.
		
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			I was the first program director for Huda
		
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			TV.
		
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			Maybe I'm not sure if you guys know
		
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			about it.
		
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			Of course, yeah.
		
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			And I had my own production company where
		
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			I was producing Islamic content.
		
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			But then at some point, I started to
		
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			say, hey, look, man, I'm seeing a lot
		
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			of content on TV around Islam, but it
		
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			doesn't represent anything that's going on in the
		
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			Muslim lands.
		
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			I mean, it's great to talk about Aqidah.
		
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			It's great to talk about fiqh.
		
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			But how about if we try to apply
		
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			this to some of the things that's going
		
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			on in our daily lives, like in Palestine,
		
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			like in other places where there are hot
		
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			spots?
		
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			Well, when I was working in Huda TV,
		
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			they weren't so interested.
		
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			I was like, come on, man, let's do
		
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			some new stuff.
		
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			They were like, no, no, let's just stick
		
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			to the regular program.
		
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			I was like, oh, come on, man, don't
		
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			be like that.
		
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			But it wasn't my TV.
		
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			It wasn't my channel.
		
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			So I had to do what the program
		
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			that they wanted me to do.
		
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			And I got bored with that.
		
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			And then I said, look, guys, I think
		
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			I'm going to end my tenure here.
		
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			And that's when I started doing documentaries and
		
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			traveling around.
		
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			Then the Arab Spring kicked off in 2011.
		
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			And I was living in Egypt.
		
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			I had made hijab to Egypt.
		
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			And when that happened, I was right there
		
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			and I saw it.
		
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			And then I traveled to Libya, which is
		
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			a neighboring country.
		
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			I'm right after the fall of Gaddafi and
		
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			I did a documentary from there.
		
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			And then I wanted to see what made
		
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			the Syrian rebels tick because they were talking
		
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			about Islam and implementation of Sharia.
		
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			So that appealed to me.
		
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			So I was like, okay, let's go.
		
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			Let's see what that's about.
		
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			That's how I got here.
		
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			Mashallah, wonderful.
		
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			And how long have you been living in
		
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			Syria?
		
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			Well, when I first came here in 2012,
		
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			from 2012 to 2015, I wasn't really living
		
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			here.
		
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			I was going back and forth, staying maybe
		
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			for a month or so at a time,
		
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			a couple of weeks.
		
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			And I would go back and forth.
		
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			But then in 2016, I came and I've
		
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			been living here ever since.
		
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			Okay, wonderful.
		
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			Mariam Mahfi says, I remember when you were
		
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			arrested and held in Syria.
		
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			Is that true?
		
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			And what was your experience like?
		
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			I was arrested by Hayat al-Tahrir al
		
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			-Sham.
		
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			My charge was basically for being a troublemaker.
		
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			I am a troublemaker.
		
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			I really am.
		
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			And I admit that.
		
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			But if you want to know what my
		
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			official charge was, it was Tahrir or inciting
		
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			the people against them.
		
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			Well, at that time, they were doing some
		
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			things that they were not supposed to be
		
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			doing, like mistreating prisoners and such like that.
		
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			So I had an obligation to speak out
		
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			on that.
		
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			They weren't so excited about the reports that
		
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			I was making, so I got locked up.
		
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			And that lasted for about six months.
		
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			It wasn't a lot of fun.
		
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			I myself did not experience torture, but others
		
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			did.
		
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			And once I was released, I moved out
		
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			of those areas, but I continued to speak
		
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			out against the mistreatment of prisoners and indefinite
		
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			detention, and I still do that until today.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			So you were arrested as a journalist, and
		
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			sometimes that's a badge of honor for journalists.
		
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			Well, yeah, you could say it was a
		
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			badge of honor, I guess.
		
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			You could use those terms.
		
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			But for me, when I was sitting in
		
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			my jail cell, I was cool because I
		
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			was like, look, I did this for the
		
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			sake of Allah.
		
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			The people who I reported on were mistreated.
		
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			I don't know them personally and all, so
		
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			I did it for Allah.
		
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			So I felt that my intention was good.
		
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			So when you feel like your intention is
		
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			good, you don't really worry about the results
		
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			because you don't control the results.
		
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			So I said, Allah knows where I'm at,
		
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			and he'll do something for me.
		
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			And I just have to just, I just
		
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			got to be cool.
		
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			So in that area that they ruled, was
		
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			it Idlib?
		
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			Yes.
		
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			And did they have trials and things like
		
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			that, or was it sort of just random?
		
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			It was neither this nor that.
		
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			One of the problems that we have here
		
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			is the justice system or a lack of
		
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			the justice system.
		
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			Now, I want everybody to understand, Hajj to
		
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			Hirshan is a group where you've got a
		
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			lot of good people in it.
		
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			But that doesn't necessarily mean that everybody is.
		
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			And I think that one of the roles
		
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			that's very, very important for all of the
		
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			Muslims, but for people like myself particularly, is
		
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			that it's not necessarily to bring government down,
		
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			but to keep them strong by not allowing
		
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			them to freely do things that they're not
		
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			supposed to be doing.
		
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			And that's the role that I saw for
		
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			myself.
		
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			That's the role that I see for myself
		
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			going forward in the future.
		
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			Because I think that Hajj to Hirshan could
		
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			have a very pivotal and dominant role here
		
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			in the new Syria.
		
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			But also at the same time, Allah always
		
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			uses one group to check another group.
		
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			And as long as the brothers want to
		
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			do the right thing, then it's going to
		
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			be a good thing.
		
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			And I want to make sure that everybody
		
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			knows that.
		
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			But when there are certain individuals within the
		
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			organization that think that they don't have to
		
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			do the right thing because they feel like
		
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			they're in the right, then that's when you
		
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			have to pull their coat and say, you
		
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			know what, I can't do it like that.
		
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			Sufyan al-Thawri, one of his policies was
		
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			that it's always good for the emir to
		
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			feel a little bit of discomfort and concern
		
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			from the popular scholars because it's going to
		
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			make them think twice before oppressing.
		
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			And Sufyan al-Thawri is famous for giving
		
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			governors a hard time, for not bending to
		
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			their whims and their wills.
		
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			Even one time one of them came to
		
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			visit when he was sick.
		
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			So he was sleeping with his back turned
		
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			to him.
		
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			Another visitor came and told the governor and
		
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			the governor said, we're just waiting for him
		
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			to wake up because he's asleep.
		
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			So Sufyan al-Thawri turned to him and
		
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			he said, no, I wasn't asleep.
		
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			I was just ignoring you.
		
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			So Sufyan al-Thawri had this policy that
		
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			if the governors above you need to think
		
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			twice, if they have a carte blanche, they
		
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			could easily oppress and do things they shouldn't
		
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			be doing.
		
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			Yeah, I think that this is important.
		
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			I'm sorry, I just want to say one
		
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			little point right here.
		
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			I think that this is very, very important.
		
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			Why?
		
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			Bashar al-Assad got to be the way
		
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			that he is because he had unchecked power.
		
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			That's what happened.
		
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			There's a saying that says absolute power corrupts
		
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			absolutely.
		
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			So when you don't have that person, it's
		
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			just like having two parents in the house.
		
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			Sometimes the father is being too heavy handed
		
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			with the kids.
		
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			Father will come and say, or, you know,
		
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			maybe after the kids go to sleep and
		
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			say, hey, man, you can't do it like
		
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			that.
		
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			You know, this is going in the wrong
		
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			direction.
		
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			That's true.
		
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			Now, when you don't have that, then the
		
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			kids get smacked around.
		
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			And next thing you know, it gets out
		
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			of hand when you don't have a person
		
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			to check them.
		
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			Now, somebody's going to sit there and say,
		
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			OK, we'll be like, who appointed you to
		
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			be that person or whatever.
		
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			And the person who appointed me to be
		
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			that person is Alastair Cameron Watana.
		
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			We have to enjoy the good and forbid
		
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			the evil.
		
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			So I just don't want people to think
		
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			that.
		
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			I think that Hayat Jahir Sham is completely
		
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			facet.
		
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			I'm losing my English here.
		
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			Corrupt is the word for it.
		
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			I think that they have good elements and
		
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			they have some bogus elements, just like any
		
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			other organization.
		
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			So if we just stress the good and
		
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			try to forbid the evil, we might have
		
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			a shot at this thing.
		
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			Great point.
		
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			Commanding right, forbidding wrong.
		
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			It's a general commandment to the entire ummah
		
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			for everyone to do it to the ability
		
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			that they can with their hand, if not
		
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			with their tongue and if not with their
		
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			heart.
		
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			Let's go to we're going to skip the
		
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			part on how to help.
		
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			We're going to put that at the end.
		
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			But let's go to the next subject.
		
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			The biggest shock for most people and maybe
		
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			some people knew about how horrific the Sidnaya
		
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			jail was.
		
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			And but I don't think a lot of
		
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			people knew it was this bad.
		
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			So has the prison been completely emptied out
		
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			says Ali and Mexicani.
		
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			He's asking about certain doors, which were digitally
		
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			closed.
		
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			Were they able to saw through?
		
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			Were they able to get those people out?
		
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			What's the latest update on the Sidnaya prison?
		
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			Well, the latest update, firstly, is that there
		
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			are no more prisoners there.
		
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			The white helmets came in with their heavy
		
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			equipment.
		
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			And, you know, after consultation with former employees
		
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			who helped to run the prison previously years
		
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			ago, there are not three or four different
		
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			levels below ground.
		
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			You know, that was misreported, including by myself,
		
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			because those who were who were at the
		
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			scene were making a call for the former
		
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			people who were working at the prison to
		
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			come and help them out.
		
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			And that's how new information came, came forward.
		
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			Those people who were released are the only
		
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			ones who were being released.
		
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			Now, there is some speculation as to whether
		
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			certain prisoners or a good number of prisoners
		
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			were taken from that location and brought to
		
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			another location in Latakia.
		
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			So, yes, that speculation is still there.
		
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			But as for the prison, there are no
		
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			more prisoners that are expected to be released.
		
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			And I'm going to tell you something, brother.
		
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			It's it's it's it's just I'm I've lost
		
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			words, man.
		
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			I mean, when when you go there and
		
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			see.
		
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			The cell is just like a tin box.
		
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			There were no light fixtures inside there.
		
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			There were no light fixtures, so it's not
		
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			even like they're going to pretend that there's
		
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			going to be lights on.
		
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			There were no lights fixture.
		
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			It was dirty.
		
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			And while it wasn't underground, you got very
		
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			much the feel that it was.
		
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			There's no ventilation or anything of this nature.
		
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			Torture is I mean, I don't what am
		
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			I going to tell you about the different
		
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			modes of torture that that they would use
		
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			on a regular, regular basis on the people
		
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			from hanging them to by their hands or
		
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			hanging them with their hands behind their back.
		
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			I want to tell the brothers and sisters,
		
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			listen, you want to understand what's going on
		
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			here.
		
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			Check this out.
		
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			Why don't you take a rope?
		
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			And put it around your wrist.
		
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			You can get your wife or your husband
		
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			or your brother or whatever, and then you
		
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			just take it and throw it over something.
		
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			And you try to suspend yourself from it
		
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			for one minute.
		
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			I said.
		
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			You won't make a minute.
		
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			Now, that's the good.
		
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			That's the merciful one with being suspended like
		
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			this.
		
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			What about the one where they send you
		
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			with your arms behind your back and suspend
		
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			you like that or the beatings or the
		
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			lack of food?
		
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			Now, I'm not talking about lack of food
		
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			like you got to you.
		
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			You ordered a burger and some fries, but
		
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			the fries didn't come.
		
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			So you take the burger and say, hey,
		
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			man, I ain't going back there no more.
		
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			That's not what I'm talking about.
		
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			I'm talking about where the body is emaciated
		
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			because it's a lack of food.
		
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			I mean, when you're starving prisoners, literally, literally,
		
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			we've seen the pictures starving men.
		
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			Just yesterday, we made a horrific discovery of
		
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			bodies that were killed at the Branch 27
		
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			and the St. Naya prison where they would
		
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			just stash at the rest of prison that
		
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			is located in Damascus.
		
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			They just left them there.
		
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			The bodies, some of them were pitched black
		
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			like charcoal because they'd been there for so
		
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			long.
		
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			And, dude, it was like a house of
		
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			horrors.
		
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			A house of horrors.
		
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			It's stuff that you say, nah, man, you
		
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			know, that's a good story and all.
		
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			But, you know, people, they don't really do
		
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			stuff like that.
		
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			Yeah, they do.
		
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			So for anybody that will ever come and
		
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			say now they might be able to tell
		
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			people who don't know.
		
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			But ain't nobody going to be able to
		
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			come to me and say, oh, why did
		
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			you guys make this revolution against the leader?
		
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			Or why did you do this?
		
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			Brother, I don't want to hear it because
		
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			you tell me when that's the result.
		
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			When they kill their own people, they have
		
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			no regard for human life.
		
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			It's like it's like fun.
		
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			It's like a gag for it.
		
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			And we're not going to we're not going
		
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			to resist these people.
		
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			You want to tell me that all of
		
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			the Amr bin Ma'ruf and Nihiyan and
		
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			Muqar doesn't apply anymore?
		
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			Brother, take it someplace else.
		
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			You know, what was really like almost made
		
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			people vomit when they realized there had been
		
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			nine, eight, seven year old kids.
		
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			Who had never seen sunlight in their life
		
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			as a result of rapes.
		
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			Can you tell us something about these children
		
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			and how are they going to what state
		
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			were they found in?
		
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			And then how are they going to be
		
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			introduced to even food, real food and regular
		
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			life?
		
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			I mean, it must be like the trauma
		
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			of all traumas.
		
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			To be raised like that.
		
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			Well, you know, you don't know what you
		
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			don't know.
		
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			And these kids, they were not.
		
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			If you ask them, OK, well, tell me
		
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			what is a what is a cow?
		
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			I don't know what's that.
		
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			We can't really fathom that, but they don't
		
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			know that they don't know.
		
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			So it's actually just a little bit easier
		
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			for them because it's not like he was
		
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			free and then went to prison.
		
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			He's always been him.
		
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			So it's a little bit more.
		
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			I don't know if I want to use
		
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			this word merciful, but it's easier on him
		
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			than it is for his mother to see
		
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			that that's the way her son has to
		
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			be raised.
		
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			Who would think that this was a good
		
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			idea?
		
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			I mean, exactly.
		
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			How do you oversee something of this nature,
		
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			a prison like this?
		
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			Now, I also want you to understand that
		
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			I reported from from Abu Salim, notorious prison
		
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			under the Gaddafi regime.
		
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			Also from their cells and everything.
		
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			Brotherhood.
		
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			It's the same thing.
		
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			You understand what I'm saying?
		
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			It was the same thing.
		
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			They were using coke bottles and sticking it
		
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			up the detainees anuses as a mode of
		
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			torture.
		
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			You know, the glass coke bottles and all.
		
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			So the result of all of this, if
		
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			we just go back as a movement and
		
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			we just continue on with things as is,
		
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			we have missed the point.
		
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			What we've got to do is we all
		
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			have to take a stand and say.
		
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			We are not having a lack of justice
		
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			in our lanes.
		
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			We're not having it anymore because that's what
		
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			keeps us weak when the when the authorities
		
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			have to constantly use resources to keep a
		
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			an oppressed people in check.
		
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			Because society can't grow.
		
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			It can't grow like that.
		
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			Now, whoever's in charge, he doesn't care if
		
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			society grows.
		
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			Man, I'm riding on a helicopter.
		
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			He doesn't care what society has to do
		
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			as Muslims.
		
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			And we have to care and we have
		
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			to stay engaged because justice is not self
		
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			-implemented.
		
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			That's one of the things they said was
		
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			one of the differences between al-Mulk al
		
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			-Adud and the Jababira.
		
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			The Mulk, like in a monarchy, the king
		
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			actually cares that his country is clean and
		
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			productive and things like that.
		
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			The Jababira are like the lowest class of
		
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			society who are now tyrants and dictators and
		
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			have no care or concern except for themselves.
		
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			But it's like you said, it's what a
		
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			society tolerates.
		
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			And if a society is not going to
		
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			tolerate it, the people who are in charge
		
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			are going to think twice.
		
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			Let's go to this.
		
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			OK, so we answered the question and Ahmed
		
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			Indada's question has been answered too.
		
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			Let's go into government and internal affairs.
		
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			So this question is from Rami S.
		
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			and he says, what is the next step
		
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			in forming the government, consolidating the different groups?
		
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			Can you expand on that, bringing the different
		
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			factions together, inheriting institutions and personnel from the
		
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			old government?
		
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			Can you comment on that?
		
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			Well, the direction which it seems to go
		
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			first, let's talk about the different groups.
		
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			This is the first time, and I want
		
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			everybody to hear what I'm going to say,
		
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			this is the first time that all of
		
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			the groups were together and look at the
		
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			result.
		
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			I'm going to say this again, brother.
		
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			It's the first time that all of the
		
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			groups, no exceptions, were together and look at
		
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			the result.
		
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			What could we do as an umma if
		
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			we put aside a lot of these differences?
		
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			Most of these differences are manageable and are
		
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			not something where we have to break the
		
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			unity.
		
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			So that's the first thing.
		
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			The second thing is in terms of governance.
		
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			Well, there are going to be some remnants
		
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			of the old government who are going to
		
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			participate in a transition phase where it seems
		
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			that Riyadh Hijab is going to be the
		
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			main guy.
		
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			He's going to be backed by Abu Muhammad
		
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			Joe's planning.
		
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			We'll have to see how that is going
		
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			to play out.
		
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			But that's the way that it seems like
		
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			it's going to go.
		
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			But I'm going to tell you something.
		
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			There's something special happening here right now.
		
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			And you know what?
		
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			The reason why I got locked up is
		
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			because I talk too much.
		
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			And I'm going to tell you, if it
		
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			wasn't like that, I would tell you.
		
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			But when these brothers and everybody decided that
		
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			they were going to work together, the magic
		
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			happened.
		
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			And I'm talking about the halal magic, you
		
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			see?
		
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			And that's got to be a lesson for
		
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			everybody.
		
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			Guys, there's a lot we can accomplish.
		
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			We've got to work together.
		
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			You were there in Egypt when there was
		
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			similar euphoria, when Mubarak was removed and a
		
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			unity that the Egyptians may have never seen
		
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			before.
		
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			Do you see any similarities and dissimilarities here?
		
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			Well, no, I can't really say that this
		
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			is the same thing because it was a
		
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			totally different dynamic.
		
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			Number one, the armed forces are revolutionary forces.
		
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			The armed forces at the Syrian revolution were
		
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			not a part of the actual people who
		
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			were protesting.
		
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			They were supposed to be the neutral ones.
		
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			This is the first thing.
		
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			And we all know that Abdel Fattah el
		
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			-Sisi, who overthrew Mohamed Morsi, is from where?
		
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			From the armed forces.
		
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			So, you know, when we're talking about unity,
		
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			there was unity from amongst the people that
		
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			they wanted to get rid of Mohamed Morsi
		
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			Mubarak.
		
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			But they were not unified in terms of
		
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			what is going to happen after that.
		
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			Now, all the armed factions and the people
		
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			are all unified that they wanted to get
		
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			rid of Bashar al-Assad.
		
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			We'll have to wait and see where that
		
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			unity goes afterwards.
		
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			So we have to wait and see.
		
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			But I think that it's going to be
		
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			less important who's in charge.
		
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			But what's more important is that the people
		
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			stay engaged.
		
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			It's that the people, I'm talking about the
		
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			brothers and sisters, and you're in America, you're
		
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			in Canada or wherever you guys are, stay
		
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			engaged.
		
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			Because if you stay engaged, we're going to
		
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			win this.
		
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			The first phase was to get rid of
		
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			Bashar al-Assad.
		
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			Mission accomplished.
		
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			Second phase, to rule with justice and to
		
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			unify the people, and we need your help.
		
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			So you bring that issue up in Egypt.
		
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			In Egypt, the military was not engaged in
		
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			the revolution.
		
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			They were sort of the third party.
		
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			There was the government, the people, and the
		
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			military.
		
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			And the military is eventually the one that
		
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			told Mubarak, all right, time's up, you got
		
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			to go.
		
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			And they're also the same people who ended
		
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			up saying, telling Morsi, you also got to
		
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			go.
		
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			But in this case, you're saying that the
		
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			Syrians, the revolutionary force is a military force.
		
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			It has power.
		
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			So that raises the question, well, what happened
		
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			to the old military force?
		
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			Assad, surely he had an army.
		
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			Surely he had guns, tanks.
		
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			Where is all that?
		
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			Okay, as for the military personnel, basically it
		
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			imploded.
		
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			The army, which was in tatters anyway, it
		
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			was poorly funded, poorly managed, poorly run for
		
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			a long time.
		
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			And it was propped up by Iranian money
		
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			and proxy forces, along with Russian air power
		
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			that made them seem stronger than they actually
		
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			were.
		
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			So in terms of their personnel, after they
		
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			fought some battles in different places or whatever,
		
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			they basically did insihab.
		
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			They withdrew.
		
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			Retreat.
		
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			And they would withdraw.
		
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			That's right.
		
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			Thank you.
		
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			They would withdraw and retreat from battlefront after
		
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			battlefront until basically they changed their clothes and
		
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			they left.
		
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			Because they realized that the Bashar al-Assad
		
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			regime was over.
		
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			It was finished.
		
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			It was done.
		
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			They knew that when Russian forces pulled out
		
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			their forces from key areas around the territories
		
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			under the control of Bashar al-Assad.
		
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			When they did that, the Syrian Arab army,
		
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			they realized they were in some deep stuff
		
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			and it was going to be trouble because
		
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			they didn't have the Russian air power to
		
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			back them because Russia's knee deep in a
		
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			fight against the Americans.
		
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			So at any time, Russian troops could find
		
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			themselves in direct contact with American troops.
		
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			They don't have the means to be propping
		
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			up Bashar al-Assad again.
		
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			At some point, Putin was like, you know
		
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			what?
		
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			This is just not working, man.
		
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			And you're on your own.
		
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			If you want to run off, all right,
		
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			you can come here, but that's the best
		
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			I can do for you.
		
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			The Iranians have their problems with the Israelis,
		
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			their proxy force of Hezbollah.
		
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			Their leadership has been decimated.
		
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			Their numbers have been decimated.
		
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			The ceasefire isn't really much of a ceasefire
		
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			because the Israelis are not respecting it.
		
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			So they could find themselves in that full
		
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			-blown conflict at any time.
		
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			Plus, the Israelis have 60 days to leave
		
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			southern Lebanon.
		
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			Who thought that was a good idea?
		
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			I
		
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			don't
		
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			know who signed that deal.
		
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			I don't know why they thought that was
		
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			a good idea.
		
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			But at the end of the day, Hezbollah
		
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			just didn't have the horses to be able
		
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			to back the decrepit and decaying regime of
		
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			Bashar al-Assad.
		
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			New Syria needs to have an army.
		
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			So are these defected, withdrawn, old soldiers –
		
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			and they are going to need something to
		
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			do – are they going to use them
		
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			to form the new army?
		
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			Of course not the leadership, but the actual
		
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			infantry, the actual soldiers.
		
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			You need a lot of people with experience
		
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			to be part of an army.
		
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			Are they going to recruit from the populace?
		
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			How is New Syria going to put together
		
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			its own army now?
		
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			I think recruiting personnel at this time is
		
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			not something that rebel forces are looking to
		
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			do.
		
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			I think that's the right move.
		
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			I think some time has to pass.
		
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			And what's more is that one of the
		
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			problems that took place in Egypt was that
		
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			the deep state was still active.
		
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			And Mohamed Morsi – may Allah have mercy
		
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			on him – tried to include them.
		
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			And they were like weeds.
		
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			And they grew and they choked him.
		
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			So I don't think that there should be
		
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			a rush at this time to try to
		
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			recruit that person drawn from, but not at
		
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			the moment to go back to the…
		
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			We're not talking about a young infantry guy
		
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			who is probably a Sunni just forced to
		
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			be part of the army.
		
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			As you said, they're conscripted.
		
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			They're forced in.
		
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			He may not believe in it, but he's
		
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			just a young soldier who knows how to
		
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			drive a tank.
		
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			But the leaders in the old days, you'd
		
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			get executed right away if you're from the
		
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			old guard.
		
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			They can't afford to have you with your
		
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			knowledge and experience roaming around causing problems, as
		
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			you said, like weeds that are going to
		
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			choke the New Syria.
		
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			But that's neither here nor there because we
		
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			don't have information on that.
		
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			Now, let's go to this question.
		
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			M.U. Mullah said, many people were not
		
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			backing the Mujahideen, simply assuming – this is
		
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			the wrong question.
		
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			But the question was, many people were not
		
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			backing the Mujahideen in Syria, imagining them to
		
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			all be ISIS and al-Qaeda extremists.
		
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			So how much of the ISIS and al
		
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			-Qaeda representatives are still active, are part of
		
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			this, and have they changed?
		
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			OK, well, the first thing I have to
		
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			say is I want to tell you something
		
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			that my mother told me, and it made
		
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			a lot of sense.
		
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			She said, son, don't ever let your enemies
		
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			choose your heroes.
		
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			Now, the importance behind that is that we're
		
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			getting most of this from Western sources, and
		
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			that who's good and who's bad, who you
		
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			should like and who you shouldn't like.
		
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			And as long as they're going to be
		
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			the ones who are going to say, OK,
		
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			click here for the dropdown menu of the
		
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			people who you can like and who you
		
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			can't like.
		
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			OK, if I go on that mentality, Harriet
		
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			Tubman never would have been on that list.
		
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			Martin Luther King and Malcolm X never would
		
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			have been on that list.
		
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			Nelson Mandela was designated as a terrorist in
		
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			the United States until 2008.
		
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			So we cannot allow Fox News and CNN
		
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			and everything and their characterizations in terms of
		
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			who's cool and who's not and all.
		
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			We'll never be able to be successful like
		
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			that, because they don't want you to be
		
00:37:20 --> 00:37:20
			successful.
		
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			They will only allow you to call a
		
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			good guy, the weakest one, the biggest sellout
		
00:37:28 --> 00:37:31
			and all, who's always getting smacked upside the
		
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			head and his wife's hijab getting pulled off.
		
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			And somebody says, yo, man, why don't you
		
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			throw a kick or a punch or something
		
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			like that?
		
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			And he said, no, we just have to
		
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			make duat.
		
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			He said, brother, see, those are the ones
		
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			that they like.
		
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			You see?
		
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			OK, I digress.
		
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			I'm getting excited.
		
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			OK, the point of the matter is that
		
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			we have to understand that ISIS was a
		
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			group that was born out of severe oppression,
		
00:38:07 --> 00:38:13
			torture, and tension in the camps of the
		
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			United States of America.
		
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			These extremists, and I'm calling them extremists and
		
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			I'm choosing my words very carefully here, their
		
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			experiences led them to be extreme.
		
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			And they overstepped the bounds and they didn't
		
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			see the good.
		
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			That's the reality of the situation.
		
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			That's where they went wrong.
		
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			To my understanding, there's no ISIS element here.
		
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			Nobody's calling for the slaughter of Muslims.
		
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			Nobody's calling to say this one's out of
		
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			Islam.
		
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			No, he's in Islam.
		
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			That talk is not here.
		
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			That's not prevalent here.
		
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			We understand that Syrians have been cut off
		
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			from Islam for 50 some years.
		
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			OK, so this one, he smokes more cigarettes
		
00:39:02 --> 00:39:04
			than a little bit.
		
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			That one over there is sipping tea when
		
00:39:06 --> 00:39:08
			he's supposed to be making salat.
		
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			OK, we got to understand that these are
		
00:39:11 --> 00:39:13
			the realities here.
		
00:39:13 --> 00:39:17
			Now, we can jump up and down and
		
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			bang our heads up against the wall or
		
00:39:18 --> 00:39:20
			we can say, hey, man, some of these
		
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			people, they just don't know.
		
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			So we have to be patient with them.
		
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			We have to try to teach them.
		
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			We have to try to our best to
		
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			to help them to understand where the good
		
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			lies, because they don't have it.
		
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			The only Islam that they were allowed to
		
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			have access to is state-sponsored Islam.
		
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			Ibn Taymiyyah, Allah yarhamahu, if you walk down
		
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			the streets in Ibn Taymiyyah, you would have
		
00:39:45 --> 00:39:46
			the Secret Service.
		
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			On that Secret Service, we call them security
		
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			and state security surrounding you and taking you
		
00:39:51 --> 00:39:54
			to say Naya in a quick, quick fast.
		
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			I had I spoke to one imam just
		
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			yesterday where he points out some of the
		
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			regime mistakes in an Akhira class that he
		
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			had.
		
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			And he did five years in St. Naya
		
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			prison for him, you see.
		
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			So I'm saying is that this new Syria
		
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			is going to take patience and understanding and
		
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			a lot of duas from the ummah.
		
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			But we can win this.
		
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			We really can.
		
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			But the only way we can win is
		
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			if we help the people to understand that
		
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			it's got to be the Islamic way or
		
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			we're going to lose.
		
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			Well, that leads us to the next question.
		
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			Is there a specific direction on where this
		
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			is headed?
		
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			Is it headed to be guided by Sharia
		
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			or is it headed to become more of
		
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			a civil, just a regular civil state?
		
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			Regular, I mean, by what we commonly know,
		
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			that is maybe partially allow some scholars to
		
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			talk, but not necessarily guided by Islam.
		
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			Is there any talk about which direction this
		
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			is going?
		
00:41:06 --> 00:41:08
			I think, well, of course, there's always a
		
00:41:08 --> 00:41:10
			lot of talk and everything.
		
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			And the fighters which are around the country
		
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			are Islamic fighters.
		
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			But I think that maybe that's not the
		
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			conversation that I think that we should be
		
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			having.
		
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			I agree with that, actually.
		
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			Not dodging the question, but the conversation I
		
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			think that we should be having is as
		
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			follows.
		
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			What are we going to call for?
		
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			The days of just saying, well, let's see
		
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			what the government is going to do.
		
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			No, we don't want to see what the
		
00:41:42 --> 00:41:43
			government is going to do.
		
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			We want to let the government understand from
		
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			right now, there's going to be some Islam
		
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			up in there somewhere.
		
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			It's not going to be a situation where
		
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			it's like, well, is it going to be,
		
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			is it not going to be?
		
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			Well, OK, we gave it our best shot.
		
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			No, not after 14 years of fighting, not
		
00:42:00 --> 00:42:03
			after over a million people have been killed,
		
00:42:03 --> 00:42:06
			not after half the population has been displaced,
		
00:42:06 --> 00:42:08
			not after all that we've seen of these
		
00:42:08 --> 00:42:09
			different prisons.
		
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			We are going nowhere without a fight.
		
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			Doesn't make a difference who it is, what
		
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			your name is, how many Muhammad's you have
		
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			in your name.
		
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			It makes no difference.
		
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			If there isn't going to be justice and
		
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			Islam, then we will call for your removal.
		
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			It's simple as that.
		
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			We will be patient.
		
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			We will be tolerant.
		
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			But we as a people, we've come too
		
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			far.
		
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			We've fought too hard.
		
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			We've gone through too much to turn back
		
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			now.
		
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			So we would say to Abu Muhammad Jolani
		
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			and to all of the others who are
		
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			in positions of leadership, we are your brothers
		
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			and sisters in Islam.
		
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			And you're there to spearhead this operation.
		
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			But brother, if you think that we're going
		
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			in the opposite direction, you are under a
		
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			very big misconception.
		
00:43:02 --> 00:43:03
			Very good answer.
		
00:43:04 --> 00:43:08
			And here speaking also about that, the leadership,
		
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			who do they look for for their Islamic
		
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			guidance and counsel?
		
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			Is that clear at all?
		
00:43:18 --> 00:43:18
			No.
		
00:43:18 --> 00:43:22
			I mean, the question is clear, but who
		
00:43:22 --> 00:43:26
			they're looking for for their religious guidance.
		
00:43:27 --> 00:43:29
			Well, that's not completely clear.
		
00:43:30 --> 00:43:33
			And we actually need more help from the
		
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			scholars.
		
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			I got to tell you, scholars ain't showing
		
00:43:38 --> 00:43:38
			up.
		
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			I know people are going to not like
		
00:43:41 --> 00:43:43
			what I'm saying right now.
		
00:43:44 --> 00:43:48
			But what the heck am I doing here?
		
00:43:48 --> 00:43:50
			I'm just a cat from New York.
		
00:43:50 --> 00:43:51
			How did I get in?
		
00:43:52 --> 00:43:53
			Where are the big shots?
		
00:43:53 --> 00:43:54
			Where are the ulama?
		
00:43:55 --> 00:43:56
			How come they're not here?
		
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			I don't need to sit in Riyadh or
		
00:43:59 --> 00:44:01
			to sit in Kuwait and stuff like that
		
00:44:01 --> 00:44:02
			and to pass Fatawa.
		
00:44:03 --> 00:44:04
			No, we need you to be here.
		
00:44:05 --> 00:44:07
			We need you to help us to understand
		
00:44:07 --> 00:44:11
			these affairs up front and personal.
		
00:44:11 --> 00:44:12
			But you know what?
		
00:44:12 --> 00:44:13
			We're going through a period of weakness.
		
00:44:14 --> 00:44:14
			Why?
		
00:44:14 --> 00:44:16
			Because if you look at Saudi Arabia, yo,
		
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			you've got to ask yourself a question.
		
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			You've got Beyoncé or however you want to
		
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			say it.
		
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			And you've got all these other scantily clad
		
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			women up on stage in Riyadh.
		
00:44:29 --> 00:44:30
			Where are the sheikhs at?
		
00:44:31 --> 00:44:33
			Where are the ones that are quick to
		
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			come up and say, no, this is not
		
00:44:35 --> 00:44:36
			jihad in Palestine.
		
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			No, this is not jihad in Syria.
		
00:44:40 --> 00:44:40
			All right, brother.
		
00:44:41 --> 00:44:42
			I understand what you're saying.
		
00:44:42 --> 00:44:43
			I don't agree with you.
		
00:44:43 --> 00:44:44
			But you know what?
		
00:44:44 --> 00:44:47
			I can't really hear your Fatawa because the
		
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			music is too loud and you ain't saying
		
00:44:49 --> 00:44:49
			nothing.
		
00:44:51 --> 00:44:53
			I mean, I'm just saying what everybody around
		
00:44:53 --> 00:44:54
			the world knows.
		
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			They're acting very, very badly.
		
00:44:58 --> 00:44:59
			And it's time for them to pay some
		
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			zakat on that knowledge.
		
00:45:01 --> 00:45:05
			And if you speak where you are, then
		
00:45:05 --> 00:45:07
			brother, I'm from New York.
		
00:45:08 --> 00:45:11
			I wasn't born in Syria and I came
		
00:45:11 --> 00:45:11
			here.
		
00:45:11 --> 00:45:14
			So that means you could leave Saudi Arabia
		
00:45:14 --> 00:45:18
			where they got plenty of money and go
		
00:45:18 --> 00:45:20
			someplace else where you can speak.
		
00:45:20 --> 00:45:23
			Go someplace where you can benefit the people.
		
00:45:23 --> 00:45:25
			I mean, look, man, you know what?
		
00:45:25 --> 00:45:29
			When they're making kabbas with chicks dancing in
		
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			front of it and the ulama aren't saying
		
00:45:32 --> 00:45:32
			anything.
		
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			What kind of example are you setting?
		
00:45:37 --> 00:45:37
			Subhanallah.
		
00:45:41 --> 00:45:44
			I saw recently pictures of some of the
		
00:45:44 --> 00:45:46
			soldiers attending a class.
		
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			Was there like a nice inspiring picture of
		
00:45:49 --> 00:45:54
			a Sheikh Fawzi or Fawazi and Nimr?
		
00:45:54 --> 00:45:57
			Is that something prevalent that the soldiers in
		
00:45:57 --> 00:46:00
			this revolution love knowledge and are always sitting
		
00:46:00 --> 00:46:04
			at the attending these classes now after fajr?
		
00:46:04 --> 00:46:06
			Of course, they're very busy in the daytime.
		
00:46:06 --> 00:46:08
			But after these pictures came out for after
		
00:46:08 --> 00:46:10
			fajr and they're encouraged to do this and
		
00:46:10 --> 00:46:12
			encourage, maybe that's going to be a bridge
		
00:46:12 --> 00:46:14
			between this revolution and the scholars.
		
00:46:16 --> 00:46:17
			We hope so.
		
00:46:18 --> 00:46:20
			We do have lots of good brothers who
		
00:46:20 --> 00:46:25
			do study and they and they do share
		
00:46:25 --> 00:46:27
			that knowledge with the others.
		
00:46:28 --> 00:46:30
			More needs to be done.
		
00:46:30 --> 00:46:33
			OK, but I do think that there's some
		
00:46:33 --> 00:46:35
			good things that are happening right now.
		
00:46:35 --> 00:46:38
			And there's very, very real reasons for the
		
00:46:38 --> 00:46:40
			ulama to be excited.
		
00:46:40 --> 00:46:41
			I'm going to say that again.
		
00:46:41 --> 00:46:44
			There are very real reasons for the ulama
		
00:46:44 --> 00:46:45
			to be excited.
		
00:46:45 --> 00:46:46
			But we're not there yet.
		
00:46:46 --> 00:46:47
			And we need you.
		
00:46:47 --> 00:46:48
			We need you to us.
		
00:46:48 --> 00:46:49
			We need your support.
		
00:46:49 --> 00:46:53
			And that support also means that when they
		
00:46:53 --> 00:46:56
			see that the brothers are going off track,
		
00:46:56 --> 00:46:57
			it doesn't mean that you have to get
		
00:46:57 --> 00:46:59
			up on Twitter or Facebook or YouTube and
		
00:46:59 --> 00:47:00
			curse them out.
		
00:47:01 --> 00:47:05
			But somebody who who's saying, hey, look, we
		
00:47:05 --> 00:47:09
			see we support you, but you're going in
		
00:47:09 --> 00:47:10
			the wrong direction.
		
00:47:10 --> 00:47:12
			But you my man and I support you.
		
00:47:13 --> 00:47:15
			But you can't do it like that.
		
00:47:16 --> 00:47:17
			Understand something.
		
00:47:17 --> 00:47:19
			Those voices matter.
		
00:47:19 --> 00:47:20
			They matter.
		
00:47:21 --> 00:47:22
			It's not I don't want anybody to think
		
00:47:22 --> 00:47:29
			that the people here are immune to what
		
00:47:29 --> 00:47:32
			may be said about them because they're not.
		
00:47:32 --> 00:47:35
			But when it's said constructively and with love,
		
00:47:36 --> 00:47:38
			there's a lot that you can accomplish a
		
00:47:38 --> 00:47:38
			lot.
		
00:47:39 --> 00:47:43
			This question is on Al-Jawlani himself, who
		
00:47:43 --> 00:47:45
			now most people are using the name Ahmad.
		
00:47:46 --> 00:47:47
			What is it?
		
00:47:48 --> 00:47:53
			Ashara, his actual name, but who is known
		
00:47:53 --> 00:47:54
			as Abu Muhammad Al-Jawlani.
		
00:47:54 --> 00:47:56
			You had reported on him.
		
00:47:56 --> 00:47:59
			And this question says negatively, but he has
		
00:47:59 --> 00:48:01
			apparently had many changes.
		
00:48:01 --> 00:48:02
			He's a young man.
		
00:48:03 --> 00:48:03
			So.
		
00:48:04 --> 00:48:06
			Has your opinion of him changed?
		
00:48:08 --> 00:48:08
			No.
		
00:48:12 --> 00:48:14
			And is it true that you had reported
		
00:48:14 --> 00:48:15
			about maybe you don't want to say this
		
00:48:15 --> 00:48:17
			because and you could feel free to just
		
00:48:17 --> 00:48:18
			tell me to skip the question.
		
00:48:19 --> 00:48:21
			But what was your opinion on him in
		
00:48:21 --> 00:48:24
			the past and why hasn't it changed?
		
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			OK.
		
00:48:26 --> 00:48:26
			I'm not.
		
00:48:29 --> 00:48:32
			I'm not a battlefield success.
		
00:48:34 --> 00:48:38
			Attains the extensive experiences that I've had.
		
00:48:38 --> 00:48:40
			And I'm going to say this clearly and
		
00:48:40 --> 00:48:41
			I want everybody to understand.
		
00:48:42 --> 00:48:46
			Abu Muhammad Al-Jawlani is a person just
		
00:48:46 --> 00:48:48
			like me and you, and he makes mistakes.
		
00:48:49 --> 00:48:51
			The big ones, big, big mistakes.
		
00:48:52 --> 00:48:55
			And I didn't hesitate to call those out.
		
00:48:55 --> 00:48:58
			And I can't not hesitate to call those
		
00:48:58 --> 00:48:59
			out in the future.
		
00:49:01 --> 00:49:03
			I wouldn't say that Abu Muhammad Al-Jawlani
		
00:49:03 --> 00:49:05
			is my favorite person because he's not.
		
00:49:06 --> 00:49:08
			But I'm sure I'm not his favorite person
		
00:49:08 --> 00:49:08
			either.
		
00:49:08 --> 00:49:11
			But I will tell you one thing, if
		
00:49:11 --> 00:49:13
			he's going to do the right thing, I'll
		
00:49:13 --> 00:49:14
			support him.
		
00:49:15 --> 00:49:17
			And it doesn't get more complicated than that.
		
00:49:18 --> 00:49:20
			If he's going to do the right thing,
		
00:49:20 --> 00:49:22
			I'll support him.
		
00:49:22 --> 00:49:24
			If he's not going to do the right
		
00:49:24 --> 00:49:25
			thing, I'll try to advise him.
		
00:49:26 --> 00:49:27
			If he continues to not do the right
		
00:49:27 --> 00:49:29
			thing, I'll oppose him.
		
00:49:30 --> 00:49:31
			And I think that's the way it's been.
		
00:49:32 --> 00:49:36
			That's that conditional support based on a condition
		
00:49:36 --> 00:49:38
			you can never go wrong with.
		
00:49:38 --> 00:49:40
			And that was a position that everybody should
		
00:49:40 --> 00:49:42
			take on any – when people are political
		
00:49:42 --> 00:49:45
			actors, you're not backing the individual.
		
00:49:45 --> 00:49:46
			You're backing their action.
		
00:49:47 --> 00:49:48
			And this action you're going to support, this
		
00:49:48 --> 00:49:49
			action you're not going to support.
		
00:49:50 --> 00:49:53
			And that makes your life very simple rather
		
00:49:53 --> 00:49:55
			than choosing a side for an individual.
		
00:49:55 --> 00:49:57
			This isn't like knowledge of transmission where I
		
00:49:57 --> 00:50:00
			say, yes, this individual is trustworthy, this one
		
00:50:00 --> 00:50:00
			isn't.
		
00:50:00 --> 00:50:01
			These are actions.
		
00:50:01 --> 00:50:03
			If they're going to take the right actions,
		
00:50:03 --> 00:50:04
			you support that action.
		
00:50:04 --> 00:50:05
			If they're taking the wrong actions, you don't
		
00:50:05 --> 00:50:06
			support that action.
		
00:50:07 --> 00:50:09
			Do you want to go in further on
		
00:50:09 --> 00:50:12
			your past experiences with him at all to
		
00:50:12 --> 00:50:15
			give people – to color for people some
		
00:50:15 --> 00:50:19
			image, some visual of who they're now interacting
		
00:50:19 --> 00:50:19
			with?
		
00:50:19 --> 00:50:22
			Who is this person behind the face and
		
00:50:22 --> 00:50:23
			the name that they keep seeing?
		
00:50:28 --> 00:50:33
			Well, Abu Muhammad Jolani, I didn't like the
		
00:50:33 --> 00:50:36
			way he managed his justice system, didn't like
		
00:50:36 --> 00:50:37
			it at all, didn't like it one bit.
		
00:50:38 --> 00:50:40
			And I felt that that was one of
		
00:50:40 --> 00:50:41
			the things that was holding us back.
		
00:50:42 --> 00:50:45
			Now, you asked me have I changed my
		
00:50:45 --> 00:50:48
			opinion, and I said to you unequivocally no.
		
00:50:49 --> 00:50:49
			Why?
		
00:50:50 --> 00:50:53
			Because when I see that those changes are
		
00:50:53 --> 00:50:57
			being made, then it's all good.
		
00:50:57 --> 00:51:01
			But I can't be hypocritical and just to
		
00:51:01 --> 00:51:03
			say, hey, you know what, because I want
		
00:51:03 --> 00:51:05
			to see this table and everything else.
		
00:51:06 --> 00:51:08
			I say, what are you talking about?
		
00:51:08 --> 00:51:10
			I didn't say anything bad about him in
		
00:51:10 --> 00:51:10
			the past.
		
00:51:10 --> 00:51:12
			No, I did say bad things about him
		
00:51:12 --> 00:51:12
			in the past.
		
00:51:12 --> 00:51:14
			I don't want to say good, bad things
		
00:51:14 --> 00:51:16
			about him in the future, so I'm making
		
00:51:16 --> 00:51:20
			dua, hoping that he will do the right
		
00:51:20 --> 00:51:20
			thing.
		
00:51:20 --> 00:51:22
			And if he does, like I said, I'm
		
00:51:22 --> 00:51:23
			going to support him, and I don't care
		
00:51:23 --> 00:51:24
			who doesn't like that.
		
00:51:24 --> 00:51:26
			But if he's not going to do the
		
00:51:26 --> 00:51:28
			right thing, then as his brother in Islam,
		
00:51:28 --> 00:51:30
			then I got to hold his hands and
		
00:51:30 --> 00:51:31
			I got to say, come on, I can't
		
00:51:31 --> 00:51:32
			be like that, man.
		
00:51:32 --> 00:51:33
			You got to do it this way.
		
00:51:34 --> 00:51:35
			And if that doesn't work, then I got
		
00:51:35 --> 00:51:37
			to get some scholars to say, go talk
		
00:51:37 --> 00:51:37
			to him.
		
00:51:38 --> 00:51:40
			And if that doesn't work, then we got
		
00:51:40 --> 00:51:42
			to tell the ummah, tell Joe Manning to
		
00:51:42 --> 00:51:43
			chill.
		
00:51:43 --> 00:51:45
			And if that doesn't work, we have to
		
00:51:45 --> 00:51:46
			oppose him.
		
00:51:46 --> 00:51:49
			But there are levels and there are steps.
		
00:51:49 --> 00:51:52
			And right now he's doing some good things.
		
00:51:52 --> 00:51:54
			So I think we should encourage him.
		
00:51:55 --> 00:51:58
			We should be alongside him doing those good
		
00:51:58 --> 00:51:59
			things.
		
00:51:59 --> 00:52:02
			And hopefully he'll say, hey, you know what,
		
00:52:02 --> 00:52:04
			I'm feeling a power I haven't felt before.
		
00:52:05 --> 00:52:06
			The ummah is behind me.
		
00:52:06 --> 00:52:08
			And if he starts messing up, then the
		
00:52:08 --> 00:52:11
			ummah should be advising him, not opposing him,
		
00:52:11 --> 00:52:13
			not looking to throw him in the trash
		
00:52:13 --> 00:52:14
			bin.
		
00:52:14 --> 00:52:16
			But to say, hey, listen, brother, man, we
		
00:52:16 --> 00:52:17
			can't do it like that.
		
00:52:17 --> 00:52:18
			We're Muslims.
		
00:52:18 --> 00:52:19
			We don't get down that way.
		
00:52:20 --> 00:52:22
			And if he's willing to listen and everything,
		
00:52:22 --> 00:52:25
			then we opened up a brand new chapter.
		
00:52:26 --> 00:52:29
			We have, we have, look, I want the
		
00:52:29 --> 00:52:31
			brothers to understand what's going on here.
		
00:52:32 --> 00:52:36
			The land of Sham is under control of
		
00:52:36 --> 00:52:37
			the brothers.
		
00:52:39 --> 00:52:40
			That's you.
		
00:52:41 --> 00:52:43
			That's historic.
		
00:52:44 --> 00:52:46
			We work together.
		
00:52:47 --> 00:52:50
			And now somebody asked me, Bilal, who would
		
00:52:50 --> 00:52:53
			be your first choice to be running the
		
00:52:53 --> 00:52:55
			show after the fall of Assad?
		
00:52:56 --> 00:52:57
			I probably wouldn't say.
		
00:52:57 --> 00:52:59
			But he's there.
		
00:52:59 --> 00:53:02
			And since he is there, then we have
		
00:53:02 --> 00:53:04
			to say, hey, man, do the right thing
		
00:53:04 --> 00:53:06
			and we'll be right behind you.
		
00:53:06 --> 00:53:07
			If you're not going to do the right
		
00:53:07 --> 00:53:09
			thing, we're going to advise you.
		
00:53:09 --> 00:53:11
			And I think that's the way that's got
		
00:53:11 --> 00:53:11
			to be.
		
00:53:12 --> 00:53:12
			OK.
		
00:53:12 --> 00:53:15
			This question is also on internal affairs and
		
00:53:15 --> 00:53:18
			on the treatment of minorities and the treatment
		
00:53:18 --> 00:53:22
			of sectarianism in Bilal al-Sham.
		
00:53:23 --> 00:53:26
			There are Christian groups, there are Alawi groups,
		
00:53:26 --> 00:53:30
			there are many other non there are non
		
00:53:30 --> 00:53:31
			-Muslim groups.
		
00:53:31 --> 00:53:33
			And there are groups within Islam, within Ahl
		
00:53:33 --> 00:53:37
			al-Sunnah that were not in agreement with
		
00:53:37 --> 00:53:41
			the ideology of these of the revolution or
		
00:53:41 --> 00:53:43
			of the forces such as Heyat Tahrir al
		
00:53:43 --> 00:53:43
			-Sham.
		
00:53:43 --> 00:53:46
			Has Heyat Tahrir al-Sham issued statements on
		
00:53:46 --> 00:53:47
			how they're going to interact and how they're
		
00:53:47 --> 00:53:48
			going to treat them?
		
00:53:52 --> 00:53:56
			Heyat Tahrir al-Sham is interested in oppressing
		
00:53:56 --> 00:54:02
			the Shia, oppressing the Kurdish brothers and sisters.
		
00:54:03 --> 00:54:05
			But this country's been through a lot, man.
		
00:54:05 --> 00:54:09
			And Abu Muhammad Yolani, he understands that part.
		
00:54:10 --> 00:54:11
			We'll have to wait and see what that's
		
00:54:11 --> 00:54:12
			going to translate into.
		
00:54:12 --> 00:54:17
			But he understands, along with the other brothers
		
00:54:17 --> 00:54:20
			who are around the country right now, that
		
00:54:20 --> 00:54:26
			these people have been through a tremendous ordeal.
		
00:54:27 --> 00:54:29
			And what we saw in St. Naya was
		
00:54:29 --> 00:54:33
			only a microcosm of what this place actually
		
00:54:33 --> 00:54:34
			has been like.
		
00:54:34 --> 00:54:41
			You know, the ikhtikar, which is a monopoly
		
00:54:41 --> 00:54:45
			that the government had on essential items, it
		
00:54:45 --> 00:54:47
			kept the people in abject poverty.
		
00:54:48 --> 00:54:55
			So, I mean, I would say that a
		
00:54:55 --> 00:54:57
			lot of changes have to be made.
		
00:54:59 --> 00:55:00
			I'm sorry.
		
00:55:00 --> 00:55:01
			Can you please just repeat the question?
		
00:55:01 --> 00:55:03
			Because I lost my train of thought there.
		
00:55:03 --> 00:55:06
			The question was about Heyat Tahrir al-Sham
		
00:55:06 --> 00:55:08
			is coming with a belief.
		
00:55:08 --> 00:55:10
			It's coming with a deen.
		
00:55:10 --> 00:55:12
			So the people who are not on their
		
00:55:12 --> 00:55:15
			deen are worried or want to know their
		
00:55:15 --> 00:55:16
			position.
		
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			Right.
		
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			No, I don't think that they have to
		
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			be worried in that regard.
		
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			Really, I don't.
		
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			I think that Hayat Tahrir al-Sham and
		
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			the many groups that are working alongside them,
		
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			nobody's interested in saying, hey, let's do some
		
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			reprisal attacks against some Christians.
		
00:55:34 --> 00:55:36
			Let's go burn a church down.
		
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			Let's go kill some Shiite.
		
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			No, that element is not there.
		
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			And I think this question came as a
		
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			result of personalities like Candace Owens, J.D.
		
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			Vance talking about how this is going to
		
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			be like a death to Christians, et cetera,
		
00:55:53 --> 00:55:54
			and fear mongering.
		
00:55:54 --> 00:55:57
			I think everyone who's heard anything from what
		
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			Hayat Tahrir al-Sham has said knows that
		
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			that's really not the direction they're going to
		
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			into.
		
00:56:05 --> 00:56:08
			Yeah, well, if we're going to talk about
		
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			Candace Owens, I understand Candace Owens.
		
00:56:12 --> 00:56:17
			She's a Christian and that might be her
		
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			experience.
		
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			But I have to ask you a question.
		
00:56:20 --> 00:56:22
			And maybe if somebody knows Candace Owens, maybe
		
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			they can pass this along to her.
		
00:56:24 --> 00:56:27
			Candace, you don't have any real experience with
		
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			these Islamic fighters.
		
00:56:28 --> 00:56:29
			You really don't.
		
00:56:30 --> 00:56:32
			If you'd like to call me or contact
		
00:56:32 --> 00:56:33
			me, I'd be willing to have a conversation
		
00:56:33 --> 00:56:35
			with you and all.
		
00:56:35 --> 00:56:36
			And if you like what I have to
		
00:56:36 --> 00:56:37
			say, you can accept it.
		
00:56:37 --> 00:56:38
			If you don't like what I'm saying, then
		
00:56:38 --> 00:56:39
			you don't have to.
		
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			But I think that you're laboring under a
		
00:56:41 --> 00:56:42
			bit of a misconception.
		
00:56:43 --> 00:56:47
			There hasn't been a history of Islamic fighters.
		
00:56:47 --> 00:56:48
			I'm not going to say Hayat Tahrir al
		
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			-Sham because Hayat Tahrir al-Sham is only
		
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			a part of what you're seeing happening here
		
00:56:53 --> 00:56:54
			in Syria.
		
00:56:54 --> 00:56:57
			But Islamic fighters here in Syria don't really
		
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			have a very extensive history of going after
		
00:57:00 --> 00:57:01
			Christians.
		
00:57:01 --> 00:57:02
			It's just it's just not there.
		
00:57:03 --> 00:57:06
			You know, I think that there are a
		
00:57:06 --> 00:57:08
			lot of people here like myself.
		
00:57:10 --> 00:57:14
			I grew up in the church, so I
		
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			don't have that animosity towards Christians because they
		
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			have a different belief system than me.
		
00:57:21 --> 00:57:24
			Growing up in New York, you know, we
		
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			had all shapes and sizes, but not everybody
		
00:57:27 --> 00:57:28
			has that experience.
		
00:57:29 --> 00:57:31
			But I think that given the way that
		
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			the situation is here right now, that there's
		
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			going to be this bloodbath or slaughter of
		
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			Christians and so on and so forth.
		
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			Candace, it's not like that.
		
00:57:40 --> 00:57:43
			I'm open to have a conversation if you
		
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			would like.
		
00:57:43 --> 00:57:45
			As for J.D. Vance, J.D. Vance
		
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			is a total bum and a loser.
		
00:57:48 --> 00:57:53
			This guy has access to intel that Candace
		
00:57:53 --> 00:57:54
			Owens doesn't.
		
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			So I'm a bit less, you know, understanding
		
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			from his perspective.
		
00:58:04 --> 00:58:09
			I think that he has a certain base
		
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			that he has to play to.
		
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			And in order to be able to maintain
		
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			that base, there has to be an enemy.
		
00:58:15 --> 00:58:17
			And the enemy has to be Muslims and
		
00:58:17 --> 00:58:17
			Islam.
		
00:58:18 --> 00:58:21
			Everybody knows his position about Muslims.
		
00:58:21 --> 00:58:22
			So, you know, to us, it's kind of
		
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			big.
		
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			When you say Hayat al-Tahrir al-Sham
		
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			is merely a part of these Islamic fighters,
		
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			who are the other people and groups?
		
00:58:33 --> 00:58:34
			It's everybody.
		
00:58:35 --> 00:58:36
			All the groups.
		
00:58:36 --> 00:58:39
			There are no groups who are sitting on
		
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			the sidelines.
		
00:58:40 --> 00:58:42
			Everybody is engaged.
		
00:58:42 --> 00:58:43
			Everybody is engaged.
		
00:58:44 --> 00:58:45
			So it's not like I can give you
		
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			a roll call because I don't have to.
		
00:58:47 --> 00:58:49
			The roll call is this.
		
00:58:50 --> 00:58:50
			Everybody.
		
00:58:51 --> 00:58:51
			It's all in.
		
00:58:52 --> 00:58:54
			And that means some young people came in,
		
00:58:54 --> 00:58:55
			volunteered.
		
00:58:56 --> 00:58:58
			Like a volunteer army?
		
00:59:01 --> 00:59:04
			Well, there's no forced conscription.
		
00:59:05 --> 00:59:06
			No forced conscription?
		
00:59:06 --> 00:59:08
			People just came and volunteered to be part
		
00:59:08 --> 00:59:08
			of this?
		
00:59:10 --> 00:59:13
			People wanted to be a part of the
		
00:59:13 --> 00:59:14
			rebel factions.
		
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			Look, you've got to understand something.
		
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			If you go back to 2012, 2013, you
		
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			had the Friends of Syria that was spearheaded
		
00:59:26 --> 00:59:30
			by then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
		
00:59:30 --> 00:59:30
			Remember that?
		
00:59:30 --> 00:59:31
			OK.
		
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			The United Nations.
		
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			You had Antonio Gutierrez.
		
00:59:38 --> 00:59:39
			You had De Mistura.
		
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			And you had a lot of folks that
		
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			came and wanted to have conversations and discussions
		
00:59:45 --> 00:59:47
			and so on and so forth about Syria.
		
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			And it didn't amount to anything.
		
00:59:50 --> 00:59:50
			Zero.
		
00:59:51 --> 00:59:51
			Nothing.
		
00:59:52 --> 00:59:53
			We got no benefit out of it.
		
00:59:54 --> 00:59:55
			You know what happened?
		
00:59:55 --> 00:59:57
			How we were able to turn things around.
		
00:59:59 --> 01:00:04
			When the Muslims decided to fight and to
		
01:00:04 --> 01:00:06
			secure their interests, things changed.
		
01:00:07 --> 01:00:09
			I wish I could tell you that it
		
01:00:09 --> 01:00:11
			was the United Nations.
		
01:00:11 --> 01:00:12
			Oh, what happened?
		
01:00:16 --> 01:00:17
			Oh, it dropped off.
		
01:00:17 --> 01:00:18
			Oh, what is it?
		
01:00:19 --> 01:00:20
			The Zoom has 40 minutes.
		
01:00:20 --> 01:00:21
			All right.
		
01:00:21 --> 01:00:22
			Send him another Zoom.
		
01:00:23 --> 01:00:23
			Our Zoom is fine.
		
01:00:24 --> 01:00:24
			All right.
		
01:00:24 --> 01:00:26
			Let's message him again.
		
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			And until then, we can look at some
		
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			of the questions that the audience has here
		
01:00:30 --> 01:00:32
			that maybe we can get to when he
		
01:00:32 --> 01:00:34
			returns.
		
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			It looks like just maybe his Zoom just
		
01:00:35 --> 01:00:38
			got cut off or something because we still
		
01:00:38 --> 01:00:39
			have to ask about Turkey.
		
01:00:40 --> 01:00:41
			We still have to ask about the Israeli
		
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			incursions.
		
01:00:42 --> 01:00:45
			We have to ask about Israeli tanks being
		
01:00:45 --> 01:00:47
			25 kilometers outside of Damascus.
		
01:00:48 --> 01:00:51
			We haven't gotten to international portion of it.
		
01:00:51 --> 01:00:55
			We asked about his personal biography, how he
		
01:00:55 --> 01:00:55
			became a journalist.
		
01:00:56 --> 01:00:59
			We asked about interior matters, ideological matters.
		
01:01:00 --> 01:01:02
			And now we're going to now ask about
		
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			international matters.
		
01:01:04 --> 01:01:05
			OK, he's back.
		
01:01:05 --> 01:01:05
			Good.
		
01:01:06 --> 01:01:08
			Glad we didn't lose you there.
		
01:01:10 --> 01:01:11
			Yeah, you're back.
		
01:01:11 --> 01:01:11
			You're good.
		
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			It just clipped for a second.
		
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			But we want to now turn into international
		
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			matters.
		
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			This is the final portion of the segment
		
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			of questions that we have.
		
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			How much help, if any, is Turkey giving
		
01:01:27 --> 01:01:29
			to Syria right now?
		
01:01:31 --> 01:01:38
			I don't understand that the Turkish government actually
		
01:01:38 --> 01:01:40
			thought that this operation was a good idea.
		
01:01:40 --> 01:01:45
			A lot of the Turkish-backed groups that
		
01:01:45 --> 01:01:51
			are participating initially were not participating.
		
01:01:52 --> 01:01:53
			They came in.
		
01:01:54 --> 01:01:56
			The fight began early in the morning.
		
01:01:57 --> 01:02:02
			And the first convoys of reinforcements coming from
		
01:02:02 --> 01:02:06
			Turkish-backed groups didn't start going over until
		
01:02:06 --> 01:02:06
			that night.
		
01:02:06 --> 01:02:11
			If Turkey was backing it, then they would
		
01:02:11 --> 01:02:13
			have all been in place from the very
		
01:02:13 --> 01:02:14
			start.
		
01:02:14 --> 01:02:17
			And plus, I've had extensive conversations with different
		
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			people and such like that.
		
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			So I don't think that Turkey is backing
		
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			it.
		
01:02:25 --> 01:02:28
			I don't think that they oppose it, particularly
		
01:02:28 --> 01:02:29
			after the result.
		
01:02:30 --> 01:02:33
			But to say that, oh, well, look what
		
01:02:33 --> 01:02:35
			Erdogan's done and stuff like that, it's just
		
01:02:35 --> 01:02:36
			not like that.
		
01:02:36 --> 01:02:37
			I don't think that that's real.
		
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			Do you see Turkey being a strong ally
		
01:02:40 --> 01:02:40
			of the new Syria?
		
01:02:41 --> 01:02:42
			Every country needs allies.
		
01:02:43 --> 01:02:46
			Is Turkey going to be an ally, if
		
01:02:46 --> 01:02:48
			not the strongest ally, of new Syria?
		
01:02:49 --> 01:02:50
			Or is that not true either?
		
01:02:56 --> 01:03:00
			Well, I think that the new Syria allies
		
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			have to be based upon how they view
		
01:03:03 --> 01:03:05
			the Syrian national struggle.
		
01:03:06 --> 01:03:10
			And as for Turkey, Turkey hosted millions of
		
01:03:10 --> 01:03:11
			refugees.
		
01:03:13 --> 01:03:17
			And they opened their borders when others didn't.
		
01:03:19 --> 01:03:24
			And they backed Syrians when nobody else would.
		
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			That's huge.
		
01:03:28 --> 01:03:29
			That's huge.
		
01:03:29 --> 01:03:31
			Now, I couldn't sit here and tell you
		
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			that I like everything that Erdogan says and
		
01:03:34 --> 01:03:35
			everything that he does.
		
01:03:35 --> 01:03:39
			I think, underneath it all, I think that
		
01:03:39 --> 01:03:41
			Erdogan is a pretty nice guy, a pretty
		
01:03:41 --> 01:03:42
			decent guy.
		
01:03:42 --> 01:03:44
			And do I think that Islam actually means
		
01:03:44 --> 01:03:45
			something to him?
		
01:03:45 --> 01:03:46
			I do.
		
01:03:47 --> 01:03:48
			That doesn't necessarily mean that I'm going to
		
01:03:48 --> 01:03:50
			agree with everything that he's saying and that
		
01:03:50 --> 01:03:51
			he's doing.
		
01:03:51 --> 01:03:54
			But I do think that he's a guy
		
01:03:54 --> 01:03:56
			you can definitely have a dialogue with.
		
01:03:56 --> 01:03:58
			And you can't ask for more than that.
		
01:03:58 --> 01:04:01
			I think some of these other jokers like
		
01:04:01 --> 01:04:08
			Mohammed bin Salman, this nut from Nahyan, from
		
01:04:08 --> 01:04:10
			Abu Dhabi, and some of these other guys
		
01:04:10 --> 01:04:15
			like Abdul Fattah al-Sisi, I see them
		
01:04:15 --> 01:04:16
			as enemies of Islam.
		
01:04:16 --> 01:04:18
			These guys, you know, if you want to
		
01:04:18 --> 01:04:20
			talk about Nahyan and you want to talk
		
01:04:20 --> 01:04:23
			about Sisi and everything, they were cool with
		
01:04:23 --> 01:04:26
			Bashar al-Assad before this thing happened.
		
01:04:26 --> 01:04:28
			It was the United Arab Emirates that told
		
01:04:28 --> 01:04:35
			the general of the Arab League, all right,
		
01:04:35 --> 01:04:37
			you should let Bashar al-Assad back in.
		
01:04:37 --> 01:04:38
			What the heck?
		
01:04:39 --> 01:04:40
			Let him back in?
		
01:04:40 --> 01:04:42
			This guy hasn't changed anything.
		
01:04:42 --> 01:04:46
			You think that the Emiratis, they don't know
		
01:04:46 --> 01:04:48
			that St. Nahyan was going on there?
		
01:04:48 --> 01:04:49
			I knew what was going on there.
		
01:04:50 --> 01:04:50
			How they didn't know?
		
01:04:50 --> 01:04:52
			Of course they did know.
		
01:04:52 --> 01:04:53
			But you know what?
		
01:04:53 --> 01:04:54
			They didn't care.
		
01:04:54 --> 01:04:56
			It didn't make a difference to them.
		
01:04:56 --> 01:05:00
			They had some regional interests and it included
		
01:05:00 --> 01:05:01
			Bashar al-Assad.
		
01:05:01 --> 01:05:03
			So the Muslims got thrown in the meat
		
01:05:03 --> 01:05:03
			grinder.
		
01:05:04 --> 01:05:05
			And that's the way it was.
		
01:05:07 --> 01:05:10
			So to round the whole thing out, you
		
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			know, I think that Turkey can be an
		
01:05:14 --> 01:05:16
			ally, a great ally.
		
01:05:16 --> 01:05:18
			And let me tell you something.
		
01:05:19 --> 01:05:22
			Early on, when this thing first started and
		
01:05:22 --> 01:05:25
			we were running back and forth, you know,
		
01:05:25 --> 01:05:29
			trying to come into Syria to lend whatever
		
01:05:29 --> 01:05:32
			support that we could for the Syrian people.
		
01:05:33 --> 01:05:36
			And the people at the Turkish border, I'm
		
01:05:36 --> 01:05:39
			not talking about Turkish military, I'm talking about
		
01:05:39 --> 01:05:40
			average Turks.
		
01:05:40 --> 01:05:45
			Dude, they were given grapes and drinks and
		
01:05:45 --> 01:05:48
			take a rest at my house and then
		
01:05:48 --> 01:05:50
			go ahead and stuff like that.
		
01:05:51 --> 01:05:53
			The Turkish people are some amazing people.
		
01:05:53 --> 01:05:55
			The Muslims are some amazing people.
		
01:05:56 --> 01:05:57
			But you know what?
		
01:05:57 --> 01:06:01
			Sometimes we can't really see it because they
		
01:06:01 --> 01:06:03
			may be governed by people who are not
		
01:06:03 --> 01:06:04
			so amazing.
		
01:06:04 --> 01:06:06
			I mean, the U.N. has seen so
		
01:06:06 --> 01:06:10
			many world leaders, so many leaders who are
		
01:06:10 --> 01:06:12
			against Islam and fight Islam.
		
01:06:12 --> 01:06:14
			We've seen enough of the people.
		
01:06:14 --> 01:06:17
			But we've got some amazing Muslims that out
		
01:06:17 --> 01:06:19
			there do a lot for the state.
		
01:06:21 --> 01:06:24
			So that was the question on international relations
		
01:06:24 --> 01:06:25
			with a potential ally.
		
01:06:26 --> 01:06:29
			And you've been speaking, you spoke many times
		
01:06:29 --> 01:06:31
			about Islamic unity, the unity of Muslims on
		
01:06:31 --> 01:06:32
			this matter.
		
01:06:32 --> 01:06:35
			And it's something that I have to agree
		
01:06:35 --> 01:06:36
			with you 110 percent.
		
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			أَفَمَنْ كَانَ مُؤْمِنًا كَمَنْ كَانَ فَاسِقًا لَا يَسْتَوُونَ
		
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			When you have a Muslim and you have
		
01:06:42 --> 01:06:44
			a force of disbelief in front of you
		
01:06:44 --> 01:06:47
			or oppression or hypocrisy, what have you, you
		
01:06:47 --> 01:06:50
			have to support your brother even if not
		
01:06:50 --> 01:06:52
			in every single detail you're going to be
		
01:06:52 --> 01:06:52
			with him.
		
01:06:52 --> 01:06:55
			But in principle, in morale, in this fight,
		
01:06:55 --> 01:06:57
			you've got to be on the right side.
		
01:06:58 --> 01:07:01
			المؤمن ليس كالكافر At the very least, right.
		
01:07:01 --> 01:07:04
			So I totally love that theme that you
		
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			keep bringing up, which brings us to now
		
01:07:07 --> 01:07:10
			the final question, which is on the incursions
		
01:07:10 --> 01:07:11
			of Israel into the land.
		
01:07:11 --> 01:07:12
			They didn't wait.
		
01:07:12 --> 01:07:17
			The Americans bombed them on Sunday, probably the
		
01:07:17 --> 01:07:19
			weapons depots, I imagine.
		
01:07:19 --> 01:07:23
			And now there's word that the Israeli tanks
		
01:07:23 --> 01:07:26
			are in the country and not so far
		
01:07:26 --> 01:07:27
			off from Damascus.
		
01:07:27 --> 01:07:28
			So tell us, what are they doing?
		
01:07:30 --> 01:07:31
			What information do we have?
		
01:07:36 --> 01:07:42
			The Israelis have a certain understanding that anybody
		
01:07:42 --> 01:07:47
			that isn't Israeli friendly is a threat to
		
01:07:47 --> 01:07:49
			their security, needs to be neutralized.
		
01:07:50 --> 01:07:54
			And they invade Lebanon based upon this principle.
		
01:07:54 --> 01:08:01
			They've carried out all types of attacks against
		
01:08:01 --> 01:08:05
			would-be enemies based upon their security.
		
01:08:06 --> 01:08:09
			Their actions are what keeps them insecure.
		
01:08:09 --> 01:08:09
			OK.
		
01:08:12 --> 01:08:16
			The Israelis entered into the province of Quneitra,
		
01:08:16 --> 01:08:18
			which is near to the Golden Heights.
		
01:08:23 --> 01:08:27
			Benazir Smoltrich has said that step by step,
		
01:08:27 --> 01:08:29
			they're going to take over Damascus.
		
01:08:30 --> 01:08:33
			They're going to take over different territories here
		
01:08:33 --> 01:08:34
			in Syria.
		
01:08:36 --> 01:08:38
			And I guess I would have to say
		
01:08:38 --> 01:08:40
			to him, well, good luck with that.
		
01:08:43 --> 01:08:46
			Do you see clashes in the future with
		
01:08:46 --> 01:08:47
			the new Syrians?
		
01:08:48 --> 01:08:49
			Yeah.
		
01:08:50 --> 01:08:51
			Absolutely.
		
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			But right now, what are those tanks?
		
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			When they give us the image that tanks
		
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			are rolling into Damascus, what are they planning
		
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			to release troops and what does that exactly
		
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			mean?
		
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			Well, that's not really what's happening on the
		
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			ground.
		
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			There's been a contested area called the Golden
		
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			Heights for a long time.
		
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			And the Syrians or I should say that
		
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			the Israelis had been encroaching on that territory
		
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			even during the time of Bashar al-Assad.
		
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			Now, they didn't make this type of incursion
		
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			until his downfall.
		
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			But it wasn't that it was Bashar al
		
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			-Assad's forces that were actually keeping them away.
		
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			Bashar al-Assad has no history of launching
		
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			any rockets or bombs or throwing a rock
		
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			or a stick over the border to the
		
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			Israelis.
		
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			That's just the reality of the situation for
		
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			whoever does or does not like that.
		
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			So their incursion into this territory is not
		
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			something that was surprised, unexpected or what happened.
		
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			They've been trying to bomb the different weapons
		
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			depots and such like that and all to
		
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			keep rebel fighters from.
		
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			Benefiting from the Ghanima or the weapons falling
		
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			into their hands.
		
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			But I don't know if this is news
		
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			for Netanyahu.
		
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			But as is protocol for rebel forces, that
		
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			as soon as they take over a territory
		
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			and there are weapons depots, they immediately take
		
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			them out of that particular area into a
		
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			new area.
		
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			So seeing that some old planes that didn't
		
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			work anyway were destroyed and seeing some things
		
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			like that.
		
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			And you automatically assume, oh, no, they didn't
		
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			benefit or something like that.
		
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			That's just not the case.
		
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			It's protocol that the areas taken over at
		
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			2 p.m. You can believe by 4
		
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			p.m. there are people who are taking
		
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			those weapons and ammunition and other war goodies,
		
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			if you want to call it that, from
		
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			that location to another location.
		
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			That's just standard operating procedure.
		
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			OK, so they're entering into the Golan Heights,
		
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			but they haven't come near Damascus and entered
		
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			into Syria.
		
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			No, I mean, you're talking, you know, tens
		
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			of kilometers, more than 40 kilometers away.
		
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			And so there hasn't even been a, you
		
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			know, that's not what's happening on the ground
		
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			right now.
		
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			So that must be a false.
		
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			Sorry, you froze up for a second there.
		
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			OK, can you hear me?
		
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			Yeah, can you just repeat the last 60
		
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			seconds?
		
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			Can you hear me?
		
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			Yeah, we can hear you now.
		
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			Yes, I'm saying that that might be what
		
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			Smuldridge wants.
		
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			Yeah, well, it's good that we had the
		
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			Wi-Fi for for an hour almost.
		
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			And we're completely cut again.
		
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			Well, listen, I mean, they're just having a
		
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			war going on.
		
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			So apparently their connection is not always going
		
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			to be great.
		
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			Without that, it's not always great.
		
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			I'll be back.
		
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			OK, now you're back.
		
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			Yes.
		
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			OK, so let's repeat that.
		
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			The question was that, is it a false
		
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			report that the tanks are heading in on
		
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			Damascus?
		
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			Was that a false report?
		
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			I'm sorry, could you please say that again?
		
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			There were reports that tanks are heading in
		
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			on Damascus, Israeli tanks.
		
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			Was that a false report?
		
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			False report.
		
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			OK, good.
		
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			What else would you like that perhaps I
		
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			haven't asked, that you know on the ground
		
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			that is important for people to know?
		
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			And remember, the whole theme here is concern
		
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			for the Ummah, getting ourselves educated about what's
		
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			going on for the sake of the prophetic
		
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			teaching.
		
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			If it wasn't for the prophetic teaching of
		
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			having concern for our Ummah, of having oneness
		
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			in the rows of the Ummah, we wouldn't
		
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			be doing this.
		
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			So this is all really in response to
		
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			that teaching of the Prophet ﷺ.
		
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			So tell us what you would like people
		
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			to know that perhaps today we haven't brought
		
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			up.
		
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			What I would like them to know is
		
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			that we here, myself included, are working on
		
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			a project called the Justice Covenant, or in
		
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			Arabic it's called Mitak al-Adhan.
		
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			The Justice Covenant is a document that outlines
		
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			what the Syrian people are expecting from their
		
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			leaders in terms of justice.
		
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			And it is as follows.
		
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			It's a 17-page document, but the main
		
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			parts are four.
		
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			One, no torture.
		
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			Two, no indefinite detention.
		
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			Three, all suspects are innocent until proven guilty.
		
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			Four, every detainee has the right to see
		
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			a judge within 48 hours of their initial
		
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			detention.
		
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			Now, if you're asking what the people can
		
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			do, if it's cool with you and I
		
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			give my Twitter, I
		
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			want people to raise their voices around the
		
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			world with this new Syria to encourage Abu
		
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			Muhammad Jolani and the authorities to adopt the
		
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			Justice Covenant.
		
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			So everybody knows what everybody else is doing.
		
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			You see, I could say I want justice
		
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			and you could say you want justice.
		
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			We could both say that.
		
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			But my idea of justice might be there
		
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			is no torture of any kind.
		
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			Your idea of justice might be there is
		
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			no torture of any kind except for certain
		
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			individuals.
		
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			Do you see how the difference can be
		
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			right there?
		
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			But when we both sign on, that's this
		
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			document that says no torture.
		
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			Now we've got something that we can check
		
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			one another with and say, listen, brother, you
		
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			signed it.
		
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			This is the situation.
		
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			Where did we go wrong?
		
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			Excuse me.
		
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			I have a bit of a cold.
		
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			Where did we go wrong and how can
		
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			we get back on track so we can
		
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			be on the same page again?
		
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			Because we need to work together.
		
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			So what I'd like for the people to
		
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			do is to support us, support the Justice
		
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			Covenant.
		
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			Ask the people if you know people here.
		
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			What's up with the Justice Covenant?
		
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			Are the people going to sign on for
		
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			it?
		
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			I just left Damascus just earlier this morning.
		
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			And I left Damascus and I went to
		
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			Homs and I'm back in the northern part
		
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			of the country.
		
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			We're out every day.
		
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			We're going all over.
		
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			It's all in time now.
		
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			And because we want the Syrian people to
		
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			understand what justice is going to look like,
		
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			inshallah, in the future with their support.
		
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			No more torture.
		
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			It's not specific just for some people.
		
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			The Prophet ﷺ didn't do it.
		
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			We're not into it.
		
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			You understand?
		
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			And in terms of indefinite detention, Bashar al
		
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			-Assad was doing that and that's why he
		
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			got tossed in the dustbin.
		
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			We're not doing that.
		
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			We're going to do something different.
		
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			And we're going to be looking for the
		
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			tawfiq from Allah ﷻ because we want to
		
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			do it the way that he intended.
		
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			The Justice Covenant was written by a group
		
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			of people who have Islamic knowledge and they
		
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			are lawyers.
		
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			So they have an understanding in terms of
		
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			the processes of justice.
		
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			So if you'd like to support us in
		
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			any way, I'm not only talking about money.
		
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			I'm talking about support us by tweeting about
		
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			it, by talking about it, by asking people
		
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			about it, because we would like for this
		
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			document to be adopted not only in northern
		
01:18:02 --> 01:18:05
			Syria but all of Syria and then other
		
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			than Syria so that now we can start
		
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			to say, hey, we want the population to
		
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			be on our side because this is what
		
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			we are about.
		
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			This is who we are.
		
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			It's not about my rhythm, my beat or
		
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			some fancy talk.
		
01:18:18 --> 01:18:21
			The Justice Covenant is written and if people
		
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			would like to support it, man, it would
		
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			be a real boost.
		
01:18:25 --> 01:18:26
			Okay.
		
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			Two questions.
		
01:18:26 --> 01:18:29
			You mentioned your Twitter handle and then it
		
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			froze again.
		
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			So are you saying that this Justice Covenant,
		
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			what was the relation with that in your
		
01:18:36 --> 01:18:36
			Twitter handle?
		
01:18:36 --> 01:18:38
			Is it something that…
		
01:18:38 --> 01:18:39
			No, they can contact me.
		
01:18:39 --> 01:18:40
			Oh, okay.
		
01:18:40 --> 01:18:43
			Contact me and ask me, Bilal, how can
		
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			I help?
		
01:18:43 --> 01:18:44
			Okay, good.
		
01:18:45 --> 01:18:47
			And where is the Justice Covenant?
		
01:18:47 --> 01:18:51
			Is that something that has been presented to
		
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			the different groups or still it's just an
		
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			incubated idea at this point?
		
01:18:56 --> 01:18:57
			No, it's not an idea.
		
01:18:58 --> 01:19:02
			It's been presented to different groups and some
		
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			have been more forthcoming than others and I'll
		
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			tell you why.
		
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			It was presented to one group and they
		
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			said basically, look, the Justice Covenant is good
		
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			but here's the problem.
		
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			If we were to sign on to that,
		
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			then the people will have the opportunity to
		
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			hold us to account.
		
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			And if we fall short, then we'll be
		
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			held to account.
		
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			That's what's supposed to happen.
		
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			In terms of what they're doing is wrong,
		
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			they can say, well, we didn't sign on
		
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			to that.
		
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			So that's why what we're doing now is
		
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			we're not necessarily expending all of our resources
		
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			and going to the authorities, but we're going
		
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			to the people and we want the people
		
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			to say, hey, that's what we want.
		
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			We don't want any more torture.
		
01:19:59 --> 01:20:01
			We've been with St. Nyan and we've been
		
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			with these different prisons and we are not
		
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			with the movement.
		
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			So as long as the authorities are saying
		
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			no to indefinite detention, no to torture, that
		
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			the detainees are innocent until proven guilty and
		
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			they have the right to see a judge
		
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			within 48 hours, I'm in.
		
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			You're not even asking much.
		
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			There's no controversial thing in Islam or otherwise
		
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			on that.
		
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			So someone who doesn't sign off on that,
		
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			you don't want them in charge.
		
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			Well, you have to understand the way leaders
		
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			think.
		
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			And I'm not necessarily talking specifically about Jolani
		
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			or this leader or that leader.
		
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			I'm talking about leaders in general.
		
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			They have a hard job.
		
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			But they take the wrong paths to be
		
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			able to solve their problems.
		
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			And sometimes they want to have that freedom
		
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			that if they feel that somebody is guilty
		
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			and they have information, that they should have
		
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			the freedom to put the screws on them.
		
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			OK.
		
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			We don't like that type of a methodology,
		
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			because if you ask Bashar al-Assad, Bashar
		
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			al-Assad, do you want to spill the
		
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			blood of Syrian people?
		
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			He's going to tell you no.
		
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			Only the terrorists.
		
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			150,000 of them.
		
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			Right.
		
01:21:20 --> 01:21:23
			That man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.
		
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			So we have to adopt an Islamic principled
		
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			stance and take that stance and enforce it.
		
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			Torture we ain't with.
		
01:21:34 --> 01:21:35
			Indefinite detention we ain't with.
		
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			And we have to try to encourage our
		
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			brothers who are in leadership positions that this
		
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			is what we want.
		
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			This is what we expect from you.
		
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			Please give it to us so that we
		
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			can work together.
		
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			Very good.
		
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			That's how to help.
		
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			That's how to be part of this.
		
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			And we will, inshallah, try to have you
		
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			on again, because we're we want to stay
		
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			connected to this and we want developments.
		
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			And any time that you want to get
		
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			word out, please let us know.
		
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			And we'd have to have your Twitter is
		
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			at Bilal Kareem.
		
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			That's a Twitter handle that you can follow
		
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			ONG, which is on the ground news.
		
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			Again, the Twitter handle is at Bilal Kareem.
		
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			That is K-A-R-E-E-M.
		
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			And you'll see Bilal Abdul Kareem there and
		
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			he's posting regularly and he has videos when
		
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			he gets to places.
		
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			So it's been very, very useful.
		
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			Very, very helpful.
		
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			I thank you so much for your time
		
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			and thank you again for coming on and
		
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			hopefully that we can have you on again
		
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			in the future.
		
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			Inshallah.
		
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			I'm in agreement.
		
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			Jazakallah Khairan.
		
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			Thank you so much.
		
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			And there you have it, brothers and sisters.
		
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			Bilal Abdul Kareem, much awaited interview.
		
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			Such an easy personality to talk to.
		
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			You can talk to him forever.
		
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			Maybe it's that New York straight shooter personality.
		
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			So it's a wonderful personality.
		
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			Follow him on Twitter.
		
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			And he's a rarity, someone who is giving
		
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			us regular news in the English language.
		
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			I'm really grateful that he was willing to
		
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			come on and hopefully we'll have him on
		
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			again.
		
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			So, brothers and sisters, it's now 3.30.
		
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			We have to stop here.
		
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			We'll take your Q&A later on.
		
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			Jazakallah Khairan.
		
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			Subhanakallahumma wa bihamdik.
		
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			Nashhadu an la ilaha illa anta.
		
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			Nastaghfiruq wa natubu ilayk.
		
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			Wa al-'asr.
		
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			Inna al-insana la fee khusr.
		
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			Illa allatheena amanu wa aminu as-salihaat.
		
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			Wa tawassu bil-haq.
		
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			Wa tawassu bil-sabr.
		
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			Wassalamu alaykum.
		
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			Bilmeden aşkı kulağına zulüm var.
		
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			Yıldızlar kadar dinleyin.
		
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			İçme dışarıda bulunduğum için.
		
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			Zülkarı aşkla eğitim var.
		
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			Ya Allah.
		
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			Kardeşim.
		
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			Tövbe ya Allah.