Shadee Elmasry – Safina Society Podcast S1 E1 Tradition, Marriage, History
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Salam Alaikum everyone and welcome to the first Safina society
podcast. My name is Maureen. I'm one of the students here at Safina
society and I'm here with my teacher, Dr. Shadow Masuri. And
today we're going to be having a light conversation. Before we get
started, I'd like to have Dr. Shadi give a small introduction to
himself and a little bit about Safina society. So, grab some
coffee, grab some tea, and why don't you join us for some light
conversation today. So inshallah here's Dr. Shetty. Smilla rahmanir
rahim. hamdulillah Lama, Surya Barik, ala Sayidina Muhammad wa
salatu salam? Well, I'm originally from New Jersey. And I started
seeking knowledge, probably when I was pretty young, 12 and 14. So
mache came, and I started very lightly, but I was very interested
in the lifestyle of scholars from a very young age, and then
eventually at around 1718 started studying and didn't look back and
you're always continuing to study, the resources were much so even
until now, I'm still you know, studying. I have teachers once and
twice a week, with whom I still continue studying. In 2013 and
2012, I came to New Brunswick Islamic center, start teaching.
And really what I wanted to do is have an institute for traditional
Islamic knowledge. So they were generous enough to allow me to
incubate Safina society, which is the organization inside of mbyc.
So that's the situation we're in right now. Safina society is an
organization dedicated to disseminating traditional Islamic
knowledge live and online as well. And there have been a lot of
people asking for a podcast. So I started looking into to what
podcasts are all about, you know, what works, what doesn't, and here
we are doing one, so Inshallah, you know, people could benefit
from it.
So thank you, Dr. Shadi for the introduction and the kind words,
so in sha Allah, you know, there's some things, there's lots of
things I'd like to talk about on this podcast. But
you know, one thing that's, you know, for me, personally, been
bothering me is, you know, what can I do about my spiritual
situation in terms of how I'm feeling based on recent events
that have been happening in the world? So, you know, there's just
lots and lots of carnage. And I would say, you know, fifth nine
evil that's gone on in the world, and sometimes I just feel like an
emptiness inside, and I don't know what to do. What do you think, you
know, you know, how do I how do I deal with this? Well, firstly, the
news is actually really bad, the news is really negative. The news
itself is not a neutral thing. So I actually don't watch a lot of
news, believe it or not, you get the BBC popups. If you if you
watch a lot of news, you're going to be very depressed. And
increasingly, if you just don't mind your business, if you're
involved in anything, you can get really depressed by the state of
things in the world today, but Muslims, stew, young youth amongst
the Muslims, their default setting, if they start looking
into things, if they're not connected to an Imam, or a scholar
who could could show them the ropes of the world, okay, and
navigate the meanings of the Quran and the Sunnah of the Prophet
peace be upon him, your default setting is going to be confused,
right? It's not It's very complicated. And the Prophet peace
be on him said, Whoever lives long after me. Okay, we'll see much
difference. Sarah, at 11, cathedra, there's going to be a
lot of groups, there are going to be a lot of opinions, there's
going to be a lot of differences, okay, a lot of breakups, between
groups, a lot of disputation. So we constantly have these types of
times of confusion, right? And this is why the real, the solution
to all these things is constantly going back to knowledge and people
even that itself, the path of knowledge itself is confusing,
because you're going to be told there are three four paths and
each path is telling you the other is right and the other is wrong,
or one is right and one is wrong, right and they're mutually
exclusive. So you're going to be furthermore confused. So really,
if we're going to agree that knowledge is of prime import to
understand the world, okay? Then we have to understand how to seek
knowledge and we're going to tell you, you have to follow living
scholars. So then we need to go further and see well what what
which living scholar?
There are so many living scholars and from this we have from the
Prophet peace be upon him a cut from the Prophet peace be upon him
that he said the Scott the living Scott
Allah is the One who you see him you remember a lot so that the
ruya Vokera law if you see him he remember Allah. We also know that
ensuited Yusuf, it tells us will focal Cooley, the element name
above every scholar is a greater scholar, which means the sign of a
true scholar is that he has teachers, he has greater teachers
above him. All right, he didn't, he doesn't wing it. You got a lot
of people out there today. They're just winging it. They're not part
of anything. They don't have teachers. They don't have mache.
They're not connected to any tradition of scholarship. So how
do we know if their judgments are right or wrong? If they don't have
a teacher? Okay. How do we know anything? There was? Absolutely
no, I agree. So, you know, for, you know, for me, it's a Finnish
society, it's been easier to come in contact with teachers and get
to know more people. But you know, before I came here, it was very
difficult to really get in touch with the right teachers and to
learn the right knowledge. And I would say the majority of people
today don't even know where to start. Right? Where do you get the
right teacher? Who do you contact? And let's say, if we were to focus
our, you know, range down, let's just take the average Muslim, what
is the average Muslim supposed to do? This is a good question.
Because
how do you start and in anything, really, just getting your foot in
the door is the biggest accomplishment. I remember myself
being totally confused. Now, I love scholarship and knowledge but
didn't know that our Alma was as divided and broken up as it is,
which is prophesied. So
the Prophet told us this, this is going to happen, which gives the
person comfort because when you see a problem, and there you have
your Prophet peace be upon him telling you that he's telling you
that is going to happen. That means he's also giving you an
antidote to it, right? A solution to it. All right, he recognizes
it. So you know, this prophet, Prophet peace be upon him. He's
not with us today, but it's prophecies are living amongst us
today we see in front of our own our own two eyes. So the way I
begin, was I asked myself what access do I have? And that is
Allah. So you have Allah right. And we have a DUA, that is the dua
that will deliver you right to the scholarship, that is going to be
true Allahumma Edendale Khan, what is it gonna do? Well, I didn't
know about that about them. What is it gonna just you know, this is
a dua that should be said, in the last third of the night, in the
prayer in the sexta. With tadagra with desperation, whenever a
person is confused about the truth whenever an individual doesn't
know. All right, and fits in it is not fits, and it has a couple of
meanings. Number one is temptation. Number two, it's
killing right. And the third definition of it is when the truth
and falsehood are confused, when the truth and falsehood are
confused, right? And a person doesn't know truth from falsehood.
At that point. That's what we call fitna, right. We call that fitna,
and this dua is supposed to clear up the fitna. On top of that you
have in the Quran. Okay, well may have tequila. Yeah, aloha.
Maharajah. All right. What is Oakland? Hola, Jessup. All right.
And we have
this idea which states whoever it's Taqwa Allah will show a way
out for him. This isn't everything in knowledge and wealth. In any
situation. Whoever has Taqwa Allah will show him a way out. Okay?
Well, my tequila your Allahu Allah, whoever has Taqwa. Right.
And we the Prophet peace Ivana said whoever acts upon what Allah
taught him, then Allah will give him more knowledge directly from
himself. And that knowledge directly from himself is not
anything new. It's understanding of what's right and what's wrong.
Okay. All right, whenever you have a dilemma, what is this right or
that wrong? So most people out there, they are suffering from
this and will continue because as new events come, you get more
confused by new events where there's no precedent on these
events. So even the contemporary scholars will be different. And by
the way, in America, you have very few scholars, you have advanced
students of knowledge, right? So even in America, don't say oh,
these are Scott, do we have advanced students of knowledge we
also have, we have to recognize that okay, advanced students of
knowledge, that means there'll be susceptible to mistakes and they
have to have teachers that they go back to Alright, as much as
there's a movement now to this. Alright, let's develop our own
scholarship. How are you going to develop scholarship when you don't
even have scholars in the first place?
You have to have there has to be a constant go back and forth. And
the advanced student analogy is going to be wise enough to
recognize what part of his teachers teachings are
relevant to his location, right and which part were are absolute
right to every location. So could you Could you repeat the dua for
us once again, the DUA is Allahumma Medina haka, what is
what are they not about Allah about Allah? What is up and he
never, which means Oh Allah, show me the truth as truth. Right, and
give and bless me with the ability to follow it and show me falsehood
as falsehood and give me the ability to avoid it.
And we avoid falsehood, right? Some people out there, and Islam
is not
a type of free for all operation. If once you know that something is
a falsehood, the proponents of that falsehood we are taught to
stop listening to them completely. Right? And he's someone with a
complete heresy in the deen, why you're going to confuse yourself,
right? You're gonna confuse yourself, you're going to be
confused, okay. And you're going to end up going in circles. Okay.
And the if you had any other discipline, in any other
discipline, you spend a long time choosing which university you go
to, and then you stick to it, you don't switch every two years. You
don't take a class here and a class there, you don't switch out
after freshman year. And then after sophomore year, switch to
another school trainers, if you're going to get a trainer, you're
going to think very hard on who is the right trainer. Okay, you'd go
and spend a little time with this person a little time with the next
person all the time with the third person. And then you figure out
which trainer right is going to suit you and you stick with them.
The people who switch and go back and forth. These are the least the
last people to learn, right? are the last people to achieve or
attain anything you need consistency in all disciplines. So
imagine now the most important discipline the discipline with a
lot of detail. The discipline with the most on the line, there's we
have heaven and * on the line. Right? So a person should spend a
lot of time first asking the question of from whom do we take
our deen? Right What are the signs of people we said the first sign
is if you see if you're in their presence, you remember Allah azza
wa jal, the second sign, all right, is will focus equally the
element Aleem above this person is another scholar, which means and
above that scholars and other scholars and above that scholars
another scholar, what do we call that? It's not a chain of
transmission. Right? He's not coming out of the blue. So this is
a very important subject this subject of who do we learn from?
Right. And it's and not only is it important, but it's a problem
that's occurred, that I see regularly, you know, there's so
I'll give you an example. You know, when I when I was in
college, you know, when I was learning knowledge for the first
time, what I encountered was
mediocre students of knowledge almost. But I didn't know
anything. Right? I was a novice. And so when somebody would tell me
something, I would take it at face value. And I would assume that
this is correct knowledge. And I see this a lot when it comes to
universities and assays, a lot of different areas. And what comes
there is also almost a an arrogance of knowledge and, and
and a refusal to learn from the right teachers, how would you, you
know, what advice would you give for there are a couple of things
that you touched on there. couple of important things. The first
thing is that
not a lot of people are taught epistemology, which is quite
simply the question of what determines truth, right? Or if you
want to use even simply some journalistic if you want to call
it journalistic ethics, or values, or criteria of what is your
source, right? In the court of law, if a lawyer says something
and makes a claim, he's got to back it up with a source, okay?
All of knowledge is one of two things either transmission, or he
had right transmission or a self thought of theory, right? A theory
from yourself. If it's transmission fossa, we ask a
Sahar, we ask you, all right, how why should we trust the person
that you're transmitting? From? Who did you get your information
from? I teach my kids actually, they come and they tell me things.
Things that happened. I asked them, Who told you this? Oh,
someone's on the playground. Alright, you got to learn a little
lesson here called Who is your source? Right? Well, that's not a
trust. That's not acceptable source. Absolutely. So secondly,
if it's HD head, then what's your evidence? So the first thing that
I want to bring people's attention to, when you hear things about the
dean, the first question to ask Who did I hear this from? Because
a lot of times people make claims that aren't even true. Okay? And
because maybe they look like a reputable source, or we didn't
even think of the concept of questioning the source. Okay. So
you got to always question the sources number one. Secondly,
alright. Secondly,
is the issue of arrogance, knowledge is as valuable as it is,
it can be used as a wield shaitan can wield it against the person.
Right? And this is why, in traditional Islamic knowledge,
we'd never separate between knowledge and piety, right
knowledge and the acts of ritual worship and the service of the
community and the service of the family, the old lemma, in the
past, the Sahaba, the ultimate, all the people the past, they
never separated. The agenda of knowledge or the institution of
knowledge.
From the whole path of life, right and the path of salvation with
Allah azza wa jal, the two aren't separate. And unfortunately, the
university setting does separate that, right? You can't deny that
the university separating the setting doesn't do this, the
university setting, right does not have a concept of incorporating
your knowledge of staying humble, of passing your knowledge on to
others, of making sure your knowledge is a benefit for your
afterlife. What you do with your knowledge is never even brought
up. Right? So this is one of the problems is where when, when
knowledge becomes the setting of knowledge, the actual setting of
where learning takes place, tells you immediately a lot about what
you're going to get as a result. So I'm actually a big believer
that behaviors are determined before anything happens with just
the setting. Right? Just the setting of how this learning is
taking place will indicate to immediately how it can be used or
misused.
Certainly, so you know, you mentioned a few times
traditional knowledge, right? So, I mean, I think I understand
exactly what traditional knowledge is, but what's the, what's the
real difference between, you know, modern knowledge versus
traditional knowledge? Okay, that's a good question. Now, when
we talk about traditional knowledge, I can tell you what I
mean by it. What I mean by traditional knowledge is that
which is passed on, in which there is a sacred that is recognized,
the first thing in any concept of the word tradition, is the word
sacred. something sacred is recognized and agreed upon and
guarded.
Okay, then it's passed down, it's passed down, and the passing down
of the baton, right, is as sacred as the baton itself, the way it's
passed down to whom it's passed down the whole process, where if
we say modern, we're going to remove the word sacred, right? And
we're going to replace it with the word mundane or secular. Okay? So
modern knowledge looks at the sacred traditions. So if you're
going to study Islam or Judaism, Christianity at a university, you
are basically taking a dead corpse and dissecting it, that's what it
is, it's treated like a dead corpse. Whereas if we're saying
traditional Islamic knowledge, Islam is, let's say personified by
a baton. And it is a golden baton that is handed down from one
teacher to his student, he has to check his student first and make
sure his student is on the right path. I've never had a teacher who
has never advised me of Taqwa. I've never had a teacher who never
asked me how my prayers were. They always ask, Well, are you federal?
Are you doing federal, a federal in the masjid? You're doing these
things? Okay. I've never had them not advised me if they see a
mistake happening, right? So they are checking. It's like having a
you could say pure milk, you need to make sure the cup that you're
pouring it into is pure, and the process of the transmission, how
it's transmitted is as valuable as the thing itself. This is what we
mean when we're talking about traditional knowledge. The subject
matter is sacred. We all agree upon that. The Guardian, which is
the scholar of that sanctity, himself is viewed differently than
any other people. Allah tells us. How do you study Alinea, Animoto?
linaria Laila, mon, are the ones who know are they equivalent to
the ones who don't know? So that person who has, Allah has
entrusted him with keeping this knowledge sacred, and guarding it
and spending his whole life reviewing it and studying it to
make sure he's understand to make sure he's a sound vessel for it?
He himself is in a sign of Allah azza wa jal. This is why in
traditional circles, we love our ships, right? We love them. We
don't go astray in our love for shakes like some Janya, probably
in this day and age, it's a minority, but you do have groups
out there who go astray in their love of a chef. But we're not
going astray in our love of a chef, right? And America. I don't
think that really exists very much, but maybe it does. But we
are Schick is not just a professor, you know, he's not a
professor, you're gonna sit in his class with your PJs on and your
feet in front of him. And he's just whatever he says it's just a
guy who read a little bit more than you. That's what a professor
is. He's a guy no different than you. Right? In his moral and
ethical character. He just read a little bit more than you, right?
That's all he is. A Sheikh is not a Sheikh is someone
who is guarding himself because he's a vessel of this knowledge.
There has to be an upgrade example and I myself, every year, every
day, I look at myself and check myself because even though I'm
just a student, and but I'm still passing knowledge on and everyday
I look myself Is this the behavior of someone and you got to fix
yourself and you make mistakes. And the mistake it's an
embarrassment to
Make I'm not saying mistaken knowledge I'm saying mistakes and
o'clock. Right? I've made mistakes with people, right? Been harsh
with people. But I go back to myself and say look, is that
you're, you're not, there's not a university class, he just no one
cares. No, people look at your o'clock, right people look at your
character. People look at your prayer in the masjid, people look
at your behavior. So teaching this knowledge if you become a teacher
in any way, shape, or form, right, in the traditional pie artistic
setting, you are the first person who's going to improve, because
every day, you got to look at yourself in the mirror and say, Is
this the behavior of someone who's passing on the hadith of Rasul
Allah? This is the behavior of someone who's teaching people FIP
and spirituality into soul with an aroma Khurana tafsir. And it's a
contradiction. So this is the big the meaning of when we say
traditional knowledge versus secular knowledge.
See, my thing was right, when I was at university, and and I could
probably say this a lot about a lot of other people. Right? The
bigger concern isn't the dean, right? Of course, it's it's, it's,
it's unfortunately, just that's just not on many people's minds.
And the reason why a lot of people are at MSA are a variety of
reasons. And in the end, the dean is really just one reason you
know, who I feel benefits the most, from, you know, I feel
benefits the most in these essays,
is,
once someone has a tribulation, and a trial, I look at MSH. And I
see the people who have had trials and tribulations. These are the
people who benefit the most. Right? In college, you go into
college, you get something happens, you're not used to the
environment, all these things, right. And then you go into maybe
a type of crisis. You're in crisis mode, you don't know who you are,
you don't know what you believe. Right? You're now through all
these ideas are thrown at you. I see these college kids every day.
And they're always looking for something. Right? Right. And a lot
of them right when they have, especially if they have a Muslim
origin to them, right? If that was Muslim families, okay? Then they,
they know where to go. So they start coming back to the masjid,
they start coming back to
coming back to Allah studying the CEO of the Prophet peace be upon
him. So a lot of people who have that type of existential crisis in
college, right, and they start wondering why they exist, what are
they doing or how they're supposed to live? And they start coming
back. Unfortunately, a lot of people have this, but there are
people out there there are groups fighting for your soul, there are
groups fighting for your kids souls, right? And they want you
there. They want you on their side, and they want your kids on
their side, everyone's you go to university and 100 groups are
going to pull you, right. So which one are you going to go to? That's
why we have to have our youth have to be grounded, right? I have a
class in Sofia society called Dina essentials. And all it is is
preparation for the polemics, right, and the hockey, the
pitfalls, and what they're going to be presented in college so that
once they enter college, I want them to have seen it all. I want
them to have seen. I want them to be
thoroughly aware of what what kind of proofs to their philosophy,
teachers are going to try to bring them against God. All right, I
want to be thorough, thoroughly aware of how we're supposed to
handle sexuality, right? How are we supposed to handle the
questions of sexuality? I want them to be able to dice it up in a
nuanced shades, right? So that they could not look like
blockheads, right and not lose their Deen at the same time. All
right. So
out in college, colleges, if your kids are not educated in the Dean
before they go to college, right, if you relied on your local Sunday
school, even your Islamic school, you might be in for a little bit
of surprise, they're gonna be in for a surprise. And you might be
in for a surprise of the result. Because college is you got 100
groups out there trying to pull at your, at your soul, and they want
you and we, the Muslims have to want the more. We have more to
fight for. Right. And that's why we're doing I'm out there and
trying to get involved in any type of media. Right and get the
message out there.
Through all the mediums. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I do
see you eyeing your coffee. So why don't you tell us a little bit
about what you're drinking today. People Muslims have gotten
obsessed with coffee to be honest with you and when people say why
do you got so obsessed? Firstly, everyone's obsessed with coffee.
Sure on the eastern west coast, the life that gets us so stressful
Allah azza wa jal give us a little gift. Right one guy told he said
What Why are you so obsessed with coffee? Right? You don't know You
don't love anything else? And he gave a honest answer. He said
honestly, I love a lot of things, but most of them are haram.
Right? So I mean, that's, that's what it is. And but you got to be
careful. We don't like any type of addictions, especially if we're
people of fasting if you fast you can't be addicted to anything.
Right?
In Yemen, coffee, the first people who discovered it were actually
Muslims in Yemen. And there is a dispute that some people say that
Ethiopians that Ethiopians are fighting for the Yemenis are
fighting for it. Yemen was relevant in world history for
about 90 years. And when they had coffee, and no one else had it,
right, the Ottomans, maybe it was a little bit more. I mean, Mocha
is a city. It's a port in Yemen, right? And support in Yemen, and
the beans. There, they're a little bit different. The aid got it
spread coffee spread through the worshippers. True that it was
called the Muhammad had been I've heard this before. And so as I had
my professor and so as he said, your first assignment is on the
moment had dead is to get out check out every single book from
the Source Library, which is the fourth biggest library, Islamic
Studies library. Islamic library, in the Western Hemisphere was
University of London. So as your job was to get every single
English and Arabic historical source on Yemen, and read them in
the hole in the summertime, and I spend the summer it was the summer
of 2003. I went and I had probably three piles of books, right around
my desk and one of them was the history of coffee, right because
the Ottomans went and fought 90 years against the the Shia disease
in the north, for control of the ports. After the Zaydi is, fought
the Ottomans for 90 years, they got very good at war, as soon as
the Ottomans left, right, as soon as the Ottomans backed out of it.
The 80s were so strong, they conquered the rest of Yemen. Right
and that's why Imam and had dead in his lifetime, he Tarim was
conquered by these, these at she and that's why he refused to be an
imam. Right. And that's why in the Rajib, in the Euro, famous vicar
that had that compiled file, things that were sort of answered,
antidotes is ABCD.
So he has a verse in there, he says, playing with the mushiya
didn't have good and bad come from Eliza. Because the mock Desi like
thought rationalist thought says that the good is from Allah, the
evil is from ourselves. Right? It's a little bit of a diversion.
But you know, you got a lot of these people, you know, they're
they just got nuts over coffee. And it's a type of like a yuppie
hippie thing. And it's one of the few things that Muslims actually
have to be proud of is that they're just not even some of that
they have to be proud of. It grew in their countries, they didn't
invent it, right? They just happen to grow in their countries. And
it's called the Arabica bean for that reason. But coffee to me is
one of the biggest numbers. People are so weak, the amount of
people's we can't even wake up. That's how weak people are, can
even wake up. So I think think about Allah gave us this as a
Rama.
It's a miracle. The coffee growers of Yemen, they recite to us, they
have to ask for coffee. I mean, their whole economy used to be
based on coffee, right? Their whole economy was based on coffee.
And it's only now that they had down there, right. In West Africa.
It's the green tea and yet Minister coffee so that Facha has
that they recite all right.
So so another topic that I'd like to talk about before before we do
close here. And you know, so I was
just getting the word out that we were going to start this in a
podcast and naturally a bunch of brothers asked me to talk about
the topic of marriage. Marriage. Yes, yes. They they asked me you
know, you know, what, what, what's what's wrong with the way we
conduct marriages as youth of today?
Safina starting a management matchmaking.
Trust me, if I started a matchmaking operation will be very
easy, right? You won't have much choice. But
so here's the problem is the problem with most youth is they do
it the other the wrong way. Right? They come to me. Firstly, it's a
pattern. Every few months, I get a brother. He says it's an
emergency. I really don't even know you. And it's an emergency.
Okay, so what is the emergency? We don't even know each other, but
he's coming to me for an emergency. All right. I love a
woman. But my mom said no. Right. Here's the thing. I love a woman.
So my mom said no, but my mom said no. Okay, so he did it backwards.
He fell in love with someone before thinking. And this is just
common sense, right? Just common sense. If you know for sure you
got to go through your parents. This is if you have parents, if
you have Muslim parents, if you're a convert, you have different
story. If you're like 40 years old and not married or you're 36
you're already making a decent salary. It's different. But if you
got this young guy, his dad's paying all his bills.
Okay, he still goes, we can't even go play flag football with his
friends without asking his mom. All right. And then he falls in
love with someone, before he even thinks about his parents. You
don't have a crisis, you have stupidity. Okay. You are not in a
crisis, you're in stupidity, your crisis is your stupidity. It's
just think about it. It's common sense, right? You know, for sure
that your situation will require you to go through your mom and
dad, you ask them, okay, are you willing to do it by yourself? By
yourself? So no, no, I would never, you know, marry without my
mom's happiness and approval. Okay, so you got a good head on
your shoulder from that perspective, these people raised
you, they spent money on you. And they have the right to be happy at
your wedding. Right? So but then you went off and have developed a
relationship with a woman for five months on the campus, right? Or
online, and you fell in love, and she fell in love, and you never
thought twice. Alright? Is this thing going to work with my
family. So you want to bring two things together, but you went
opposite ways, right? And now you want to bring them together, it's
not gonna work that way. So all I'm telling you is be logical. If
in your life, you need your parents approval, because you're
still just a young guy, you're sort of dependent upon them. I
mean, in theory, you always want your parents to be happy. But once
you're 40 years old, you're a guy, 40 years older, a woman 40 years
old. At that point, you're ready out of the nest, your parents
aren't going to be much, you know, they're not going to micromanage
your situation. But you got a 20 year old guy or a 23 year old
girl, okay. And their parents are very involved in their lives. All
my advice is my first piece of advice is, you know, use your
noggin, use your brain and think that if they're going to be
involved, then you might as well right, consider that before you
develop a relationship five months into some with someone, and then
you come crying, right? And what do I do with these young people?
You know, what do I do? I just tell them, you, you knew your
family is going to be involved, but you fell in love anyway,
without, you know, talking to him about he knowing that they're not
going to be involved. Right. So this is the first point of many
different points that are practical points. Right.
Absolutely. And, and I'm, and I guarantee you that you know, we'll
have more conversations about marriage in the future, as it's a
very exciting topic.
But since Isha is around the corner now and then we hear the
unknown Insha Allah, it's about time that we wrap this up. So once
I'd like to thank our listeners today in sha Allah, so please join
us next time for our Safina society podcast. We'll try to be
regular on this inshallah. It was a pleasure talking to you, Dr.
Shetty, and it was a pleasure hearing from you. Sharla Could you
give us a small dua before we end So Monica law Moby Dick Nisha?
Illa Illa Anthony iStockphoto going into a lake with acid in an
in Santa Fe Of course. Illa Lilina, Illinois, Minnesota, what
will happen?
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