Shadee Elmasry – Princeton Encampments NBF 343

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See

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this La Romana Rahim Al hamdu lillah wa Salatu was Salam ala

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Rasulillah. Early he was sappy woman. Voila, welcome everybody,

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to the SOFIA society. Nothing but facts live stream on a gorgeous

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Tuesday, filming right out of live out of New Brunswick, New Jersey

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one mile away from the Robert Wood Johnson University Medical Center,

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third storey the soup kitchen is on the first story.

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And we're on the third story. Of course, the big news today is the

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the death of Iran's President

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and Prime Minister, right. It's both the President and the Prime

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or the sorry, the foreign minister Hussein amid Abdullah, Hassan

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And Ibrahim, but I see

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in a helicopter crash, I'm surprised first of all, that they

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would put the president and the foreign minister in the same

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flight. But I guess some countries do that. If there's resource

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limitation. It makes sense that that happens when they have

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limited resources. But usually when they don't, they don't put

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these big officials in the same flight usually get and you wonder

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if this was something that was intentional, or was not but

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apparently most of what's being said is not that it was not

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intentional. And you have a lot of Syrians who are not shedding a

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tear.

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Okay.

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You're not sure they're not shedding a tear Lada show him.

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Blame racy for Raisi. For all of what happened a lot of what

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happened in Syria, so much killing from the Iran side in Shem. So

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there's a lot of people who are not shedding a tear for him. Okay.

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We have much not not much to say about this. It's not like we're

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going to have any news that any other sources are going to have.

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But let me take this question. What are the Hadoop punishments?

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And do they still apply today?

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Well, the answer is in, in theory, all of the shittier applies until

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the end of time, in terms of the hokum the belief about the

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application of all of the shittier applies until the end of time.

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Allah subhana wa Tada said, the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa

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sallam was sent care fatten leanness to all people to care for

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all people. So people today are part of all people. So this is one

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of the bidder in theology or belief to think that the Prophet

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peace be upon was only sent to the people of, of the past, or his

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people or the people up to modern times, really. So then where's the

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line?

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So the Prophet peace be upon him was sent to all people and his

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city is applicable at all times and all places. The question is up

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to the ruler, or up to the people, how they're going to apply it,

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when they're going to apply it that's really up to the people,

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but it is an obligation at all times. So what are the dude? First

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of all, punishment in Islam is for two things in general,

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public sinning, and the oppression of people. And the method of the

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punishment is in two different ways. One is called Hadoop, and

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one is called Tassie. As for Hadoop, it's what Allah subhanaw

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taala said explicitly enlisted in the Quran.

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And as for Tassie, it's the discretionary punishment of the

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ruler of the government.

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They're the ones who decide so the ruler can decide or his shooter

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can decide his Senate, they could decide what should be the right

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punishment for this. And they're here there are differences in the

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methods and there are some conditions we're going to cover in

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a second. The head crimes are nine murder, injury

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Bevy rebellion apostasy. Fornication Zina cut false

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accusation of, of Zina

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Seneca robbery and it has conditions Hiraga terrorizing the

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public stopping wrote any terrorizing in public.

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Drinking Alcohol should have become publicly drinking alcohol

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and justice. Now in terms of the Thera three here, if you notice

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there are victims here, murder, of course,

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injury of course, and setup. I was robbed in my well, so the body and

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the wealth, there are victims here. In this case, two of these

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have a victim, the one who was robbed and the one who's injured

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one of them have has inheritors of victims of the victim, the

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inheritors, the immediate, who would have inherited his money. So

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these people have a choice of three we call this is called in

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today's parlance, restitution of justice. In other words, it's

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justice in which the victims are involved. And the victims are they

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have a choice in what happens, it's not that the way the system

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is today, where the criminal is taken to court, and the victim is

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just sitting in the back of the courtroom watching. Know, if the

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criminal is found guilty, then we bring that victim up and say

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you're part of now the punishment. So you could do three things. You

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could do a raffle, you can forgive them altogether, you can ask for

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the DIA, you can ask for the blood money.

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And you can not accept any of that and insist on kiss us. So in the

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case of injury, and robbery, the victim of the of this crime has

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the choice by himself. But in the case of murder, the inheritors

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have this choice, or every one of them has the choice. Now, of

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course, now you can't have a partial execution. So if one of

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them says that I want the blood money or I forgive, then

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immediately it downgrades to either to either blood money, or

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execution. And everybody can make their own choice, oh, sorry, blood

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money or forgiveness. so awful. If if I choose to forgive, then my

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share of inheritance doesn't have to be paid.

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But if my brother, let's say, were the only two inheritance, Let's

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hypothetically say I had a brother, he does not want to

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forgive, he wants the money. And I choose to forgive, I don't want

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the money, then the criminal only owes half of the deal. So by the

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percentages of inheritance, the inheritance law percentages, get

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involved here. And if you forgive then you're only forgiving your

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percentage of the inheritance law. So at the end of

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at the end of the Mejlis, whatever the amount of people who want the

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deal, they're going to require he's got to pay that now who pays

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it his tribe? So again, the rest situational justice is in three

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ways either piss us, I want to see him punished. Or dia, I'll take

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the blood money instead or Apple complete forgiveness and it's up

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to the victims. Okay.

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So now we asked the question, what are the actual sauce? What are the

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precise let's say everyone says no, we want the kiss us. So for

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murder, if it's proven its execution. If it's injury, it's

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ifer and I and the murderer and the iPhone, this happens exactly

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how he did it, provided that there's no torture involved.

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Number three rebellion, the punishment of rebels or boycotts

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is execution. The punishment for apostasy is execution after three

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days chance to repent.

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The punishment for Zina fornication and adultery if the

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person was not married, then it's 100 lashes and one year

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imprisonment in the medical school.

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In the for adultery. If the person was married, it's a random

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number six, I will cut which is falsely accusing somebody of Zina

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at lashes robbery. Seneca, it has conditions are there conditions to

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robberies not just even like pickpocketing, that it's not any

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old robbery theft. I mean, it's robbery. That means you broke a

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lock, you sold something at a certain value

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and you left with it. So for that you lose your hint.

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You're going to lose your hand.

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For Hiraga its execution or banishment. And the ruler may not

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forgive this, because this is it's public. So a lot of people are

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scared and there's no way to see who's scared and ask them all. The

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ruler may not forgive this. So people were what is an example of

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someone terrorizing the public Helaba like someone opening up,

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let's say an abandoned road or a road that where the police don't

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go oftentimes they go set up shop there and as you're walking past

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They come in the old days, a gang and they take all your stuff.

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Okay? So it's head off but you're, you're terrorizing the people in

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public.

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And then number nine showed a bit of glamour is at lashes and that's

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based upon sade nyali. was asked by Satan Omar about this. And he

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said, when someone drinks they speak, they say things that are

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that could be he could say a cough. So tears and other cuts,

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it's ad lashes based upon that.

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Okay, now the compensation what is the compensation? It's 1000 dinars

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of gold, and the dinar at the time of the Prophet peace be upon him

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was 4.25 grams of gold with differences of opinion on this

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just to let you know, you may hear a different number. But the

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majority number that said is that the dinar of the time of the

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messenger sallallahu alayhi wa sallam was 4.25 grams of gold.

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So that makes the blood money of the human body to be 4250 grams of

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gold ometer Why don't you bring that up? Or? Sorry, look that up.

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Got what is today 4250 grams of gold worth got in dollars today as

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of what date are we? What are we may 20/25. Okay, he's gonna look

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that up right now. So that's the full day of the body. But there

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are other body parts that are so important

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that they're worth the whole deal. For example, you lose your

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intellect, any of your senses smell, taste, sight, speech,

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hearing, the ability to have *, the ability to have offspring, the

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ability to sit down the ability to stand up. So for example, if you

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were to paralyze somebody,

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right, the head of the male body part, the male or member, the

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nose, the this part of the nose, the what's called the meta, the

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testicles, the ability to lactate for a woman she can't lactate

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anymore, but that's a whole body whole deal.

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The skin on the top of the head, one eye, if someone was only had

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one eye to see their blinds in the left eye, and you poked out the

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right eye, entire deal, the whole thing. All other injuries are

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subject to judgment, which is called Tokuma.

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Now, after these nine crimes, there are many other crimes people

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do in the world, in society, so what about them? For that we said,

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There's Tassie, Tassie, it is discretionary punishment by the

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ruler or his shooter or the government. And what is he allowed

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to do? He's allowed to imprison the person, an amount of time that

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would make him change his ways. He's not allowed to give put him

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in jail for life just like that. The way we do here, if you want to

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talk about cruel and unusual punishment, that's extremely cruel

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and unusual punishment. Ask any person you committed a crime and

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you want to just get flogged and go home.

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To your wife and your kids. Yeah, he may be a criminal, but me he

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may be like, American Gangster, he's good to his family.

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There are many criminals, many mafiosos they're bad people. They

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commit crimes. They're bad people for the society. But they're good

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to their family. So where are you going to deny someone a father? Do

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you know that there was a statistic the other day that was

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stated that

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if you were to reduce

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illegitimacy or remove legitimacy from the crime statistics, it

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would go down by like two thirds.

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Most criminals, they're illegitimate, they have no dads.

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So if you're putting all the dads in jail, you're actually producing

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more criminals. You start to wonder maybe that's what you guys

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intended.

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So so he is allowed to imprison him for a time that will change

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his behavior. Another thing is that he's allowed to publicly

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condemn him it's funny thing in Qatar, there's a page in the in

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the newspaper way back in the day when people used to get the

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newspaper in the morning and read it. And it's a page on people are

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caught speeding, and it puts their picture. I mean, speeding is not a

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big deal, right but still, it's embarrassing for somebody to be

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have their picture in the paper. So if you caught speeding on the

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road,

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okay, they

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that's, they put your picture up. Okay, the next one he's allowed to

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do Is he allowed to flog you any amount of floggings as opposed to

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the other muda hip that you can't pass 40

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The next one is, if you're harming people, he's allowed to force you

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to sell your house and move he's allowed to do that. If you're a

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nuisance to the neighborhood, you can do that. If you are cheating

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people, he's allowed to find you for the amount of money that you

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cheated people. But what is he he's allowed to execute you to?

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Drug dealers, for example, like the guy all the way at the top? Do

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you know how many lives

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I ruins

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so drug dealer execution is on the table you can execute. But what

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May he not do? He may not take your money we can't find people

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for for things that unless there is a direct permission in the

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video to find that person. Okay, let's talk about the nature of the

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floggings lashes are with a leather strap strap that may not

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break the skin or break the bones cannot do either one.

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And the hitting should not be light and should not be hard and

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should be between the shoulder blades on the back of the person

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and he shouldn't wear a heavy garment that would block the

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strikes nor should he be naked or shirtless. I mean

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he should be sitting down and he should not be wrapped up he

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shouldn't be tied up or handcuffed or anything like that. And he gets

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this strike sitting down much like we saw in the Associated Press. As

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I said when they go Associated Press filming Indonesian

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floggings and, and pretending to be outraged.

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There's nothing there. The flogging is not that hard, because

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you're not allowed to use both joints, the elbow and the

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shoulder.

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So you could flog like this or you could flog like this there is no

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roundabout as if you're like an Olympic thrower. You know that

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sport that

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shakes out when you supply what is it called? Oh, give me so I can

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show them what you're not allowed to use.

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You know, the hammer throwing or that big ball that they used to

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throw they turn all the way around, use all their joints and

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fling that thing. You're not allowed to do that.

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You use one joint here you're not this is a completely unlawful

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whip.

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This is unlawful to use. Yes, we have a whip. Yeah, we have a whip

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here. I mean, just in case. I mean it is it is lawful if I'm trying

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to kill someone to really hurt them. If the place if we have a

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thief here or something, I can use this on him. So it's a whip, I'm

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gonna have to say excuse me thief back up a few meters so I can wrap

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up my whip. Hey guys, get out of the way I'm about to whip this

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guy. No. But we do have this whip and what that what it is, is it

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goes from thick to thin to much thinner to very, very thin. And

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this is what would have cut your skin right here, this little thing

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right here that would cut the skin. When you whip this thing it

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moves so quickly. So what will be the shutter a strap, probably this

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thickness right here.

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You can take that off this shutter, this will be a shutter a

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strap right here.

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And it should not have a whiplash effect. We're not allowed to do

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that.

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It was keep it there.

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And the punishment should be witnessed by the public

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punishments are meant to be to scare people off.

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It's not supposed to be.

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And I'm going to actually double check this because I did read

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somewhere that it's the the victims, right? To do the

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punishment. It's his right to enact the punishment like to do

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it. And Allah knows best.

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So that's the answer to the first question that we had here. We have

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guests coming on from Princeton. And before that, we will continue

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with our stories of the Olia, we're going to read some stories

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of the Zodiac first let me almost Can I bother you to give me this

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pile of books here. Sorry to make you get up

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all right, if you are in Dallas, we're going to be I'm going to be

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there. This is the book we're reading from by the way. Let's put

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it here while I read this quick announcement. A couple quick

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housekeeping announcements, strengthen sacrifice Friday May

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24.

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So firstly

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145 There's the hook but at SMS have no clue what SMS is. But it's

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a messenger. Obviously. Then there is a family the crew gathering at

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6:30pm.

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Then there is youth night at ICI at 8:30pm.

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Then there is God's Euro at Epic

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at 10pm.

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So SMS then the vicar gathering is at someone's house, then youth

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night

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is that ici? Anahata at Epic. Okay, so that's going to be this

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Friday if you're in Dallas. You can come through to any of these

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events. Next thing we have if you want to spend all summer, okay,

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all summer, here at NBC and with Safina society studying the Arabic

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intensive attending nothing but facts, attending our liquor

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circles, attending all our dinners and luncheons and everything. Feel

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free

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to come in the tuition is basically nothing stranger 50

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bucks.

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It's an Arabic program that runs three live classes a week

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on site and one online

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three live classes a week

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and one online.

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All of them are at night. All the live classes are at night. So you

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can hang out you can come to the stream, you can come to our other

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events, you will be very busy. And that's starting in the month of

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end of this month of June. right towards the end of June. Okay,

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let's now read from the stories of the odia because a brother should

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they showed me a comment. A guy says I got click baited. He said

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that the stories of the Olia was only like five minutes at the end

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of the last episode.

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So in that case, we'll make it up to him by reading a little bit

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more than 10 minutes. At the beginning here. We are reading

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from the Olia of Morocco.

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Of all of these are from this generation the idea of this

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generation so to hear the quiet benefactor Hodge Jalali of

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muchness * Jalali of meekness.

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And he was one of a Sheikh Mohammed Habib's closest

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companions

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is air condition, I don't know what's going on with this air

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conditioner.

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So close that when he died, he was buried right besides the ship in

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the Zoa, in Mykonos, he was a merchant, and to purify his

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wealth, his shake, ordered him to feed 40 people a day for the rest

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of his life.

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Isn't that something 40 people a day for the rest of his life,

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because he was so wealthy. So to purify your wealth and to purify

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yourself, feed 40 people a day for the rest of your life. This he did

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without fanfare. In other words, people didn't know. And he had a

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table in. Maybe it was in this area. And people he says the

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author says we were guests there many times, he would always sit

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quietly to the side and make sure that we were well fed.

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And he had no interest. It would seem he had no interest in the

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world.

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The chef it would, it would it would seem he says that he had no

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interest in hired to dunya at all. Although he was a very wealthy

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merchant, I'm telling you, there are some skills, if you have the

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skills, you literally cannot avoid wealth. I'm telling you, for

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example, if you're, if you're if you're good at trading, you're

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gonna become wealthy. If you're good at real estate. If you're a

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restaurant guy who has 50 restaurants, it's not so hard, you

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put it you put the downpayment, you build the whole thing up, and

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then you hire the right people to do it. And you take from that, you

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know, 123 $4,000 a month. And you do that for 100 restaurants.

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Over Over time you build up all these restaurants. So at some

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occupations you literally cannot have you can't avoid being very

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wealthy and you shouldn't even have to avoid it. Why should you

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avoid it? But but if you look at how he reacted to it,

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it didn't increase his appetite for the worldly life.

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He then said, Everything he did was for others his many acts of

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generosity. Most of them were unnoticed and unrecorded. What did

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not go unnoticed, was his profound and almost heartbreaking sobriety,

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calmness and serenity. He was so still his face was like a deep

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ocean and a sea of peace.

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I find the two angels I captured

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of his beautiful face almost two angles, sorry, two angles. He

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said. I captured his face almost hypnotic. This is again Peter

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Sanders the author. Just setting eyes on this quiet man of Allah

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was a cure for an ailing heart and this is exactly one of the

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descriptions of the Olia either through, look at Allah. Either

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Rukia Allah if they are seen, Allah is remembered.

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The next one

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is known as the guardian of the books. Imam Abdul Wahab of

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muchness the guardian of the books.

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So the first one was a tagit, a businessman. The second one was an

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imam who had a massive library and his name was Abdul Wahab imam of

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the Zarya of Sheikh Mohammed, Al Habib. There's zoafia What is his

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Elia? It's a shift has his own spot.

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And he has a place of prayer and a place

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Have eating in place of sleeping in place for classes. It's his own

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area.

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And sometimes it's very big and sometimes it's tiny. But it's an

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area where he's in control

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as opposed to the public Mosque, which is for everybody and maybe

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the state,

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the government runs it has has rights over it. Because every

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Masjid is not just a free for all. There is an administrator to that

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master. And there is somebody who runs that Masjid. So

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they have rights, they can remove who they want to remove, they can

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say no classes here. You can have class there we're gonna have a

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session here we're not having anything at all. We're closing it

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right after Isha. People have to understand there are rights, they

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have the right to do that if they run the masjid and they see what

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that's the benefit. What is the problematic is when sometimes

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these masajid may be taken over by state entities who don't want the

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flourishing of Islam. They don't want Islam to flourish. That's the

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difference.

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But they do but by rights, yes, they have rights for that.

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He led the five prayers at the Zoja. And he always gave

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discourses on the Religious Sciences. And he advised the

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Pokhara on matters of the sacred law and the spiritual path. He was

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fastidious about his attire. And you can see very clearly here, oh,

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you don't have that picture. Get that picture of the library if you

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can, because he's wearing

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he's wearing this beautiful Moroccan throw all white hood on

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his head, or it's a shawl on his a shawl on top of that and a

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beautiful cape. That Moroccan style that is really, really

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something else very striking. Especially when it's all white,

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a subdued men. He lived a regulated and austere life and His

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richness, his wealth was in knowledge.

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And he had no desires for the worldly life. Between times of

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prayer and remembrance, he would retire alone to his humble room in

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the Zoja, which had a small mattress on the floor, and shelves

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of books that he would refer to. A confidant told me that he wants

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that besides Imam Abdul Wahab as they had a meal together. The Imam

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was smiling and clearly enjoying his food kept repeating under his

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breath, a stuffed full of Lhasa for Allah stuff for Allah. For

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most of us when food appears God disappears. And my friend realized

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that the saint remained this way he remained continually in God's

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presence, regardless of the circumstance. Are we allowed to

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say someone is only when we say is someone is already we are allowed

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to say it, I'll sob oven.

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us a bit of meaning, in our estimation, why the Prophet

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sallallahu alayhi wa salam

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gave us science of hula Hadith could see the famous Hadith quotes

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he has signs of hula. So therefore, if we see those signs

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in people, we are allowed to assume he's a Willie. But we are

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not allowed to say to say Hola, Wali, Allah Seville of Qatar,

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we're not allowed to say he is a well he was a man of Allah. Okay,

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and someone who attained Wilaya with the intent of saying it with

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absoluteness.

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That's the difference.

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When we say only Allah knows something, it means only Allah

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knows it. Absolutely. And we may attempt to know it and come to a

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conclusion which we know is speculative.

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Hence, in the Tafseer of the Mocha diet, you do have Sahaba and early

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MUFA Soutine.

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giving their commentary about verses which we know only Allah

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knows the answer. Their commentary is LSCB oven

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in the with the understanding that they're speculating and it is

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permissive permitted to have a speculation which you believe is

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very likely to be true.

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Just can't say it's absolutely true. Ven does not mean it's

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doubtful ven means I'm you can have a given that is Raja, a

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speculation that you feel very strongly about very strongly that

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this is true, but I just can never say 100%

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Just like when we start to try to put together a puzzle of events

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after the fact based on the evidence, you walk in the house,

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you see a cake eaten very sloppily not cut. We can have a pretty

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strong suspicion that a child came and with his hands took from the

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cake.

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Pretty strong suspicion that that happened.

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An adult would cut it with a knife. But can you say absolutely

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that happened? You can't say absolutely but very

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very likely that happened. So that's a very strong version. Then

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if you go down to 5050, that's a check.

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That's a check. So you have gone from 51% can go all the way to

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99%. That's a big range. That is a huge range. But once you hit 5050

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That's a check. When you go underneath that that's a weapon.

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That's a weapon. I will ham mean nothing. Right? That's a weapon.

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And who had a weapon?

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Or Oh front of Imran Hussain, who was refuted all day yesterday from

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Jake blankets, Ella to Sheikh Assad Rashid, and both of them are

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correct.

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When our friend I have not heard so I mean, not too friendly, more

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good, can't be friendly with somebody who says these things.

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The Russian Orthodox are guided people. He says he's fall in love

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with the Russian Orthodox these days. So he has this one.

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It's there's there's absolutely no basis for his theory, that the

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Russian Orthodox are the inheritors of the Byzantine people

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who were

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that there is going to be an alliance between Muslims and them

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at the end of time, whatever his theory is, it's a theory that that

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is a weapon.

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And he's now taking that with him. Now he has a problem because these

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people are Kufa

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and the Ottomans fought the Byzantines. So he has a big

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problem with this. I'm not going to go into his theory, but this

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because he has his theory doesn't match with the clear texts.

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And the age man that had him and people are Muslims. And they were

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the Muslim party. And they were the victors and the martyrs and

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the rightful in their battle with the Byzantines. Mohammed

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Al Fattah the seventh Ottoman Sultan.

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So he has to make he I guess he makes the tech field of them he

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did.

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Or tab D of Tafseer of them or something but then he refuses to

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hold the Russian Orthodox as non believers. And that's just yet

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another

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in insult to the messenger, sallallahu alayhi, wa salam and a

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brand a type of perennialism where the first pillar

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here gonna sacrifice the first pillar of Islam, Leila had alum

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hamdulillah for the sake of your theory

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that's a weapon.

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Next subjects.

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Now we go to another member of this group, this blessed group

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that was around the great Sheikh Mohammed signal Habib and this

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time we have them one should we had the

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the one who financed it all, we had those scholar the fapy. And

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now we have the month should they say Allah Moonshadow robe almost

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hit the moon should? Or some I think maybe the thing is this from

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one should motors should the moon should is like half of a motor

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should a month should as a singer

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of religious songs that move the heart a motor should is a

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spiritual guide. So what they say is that the sing the one who sings

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these beautiful songs moves your heart. So he's almost his values

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like half of a spiritual guide, who directs your heart, directs

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your heart me and teaches you the ways to purify your heart and get

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close to Allah. His name was Hamid or Hammett. I don't know there's

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no diacritical so I can tell.

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He was the nightingale of the Zoja raised from childhood by Sheikh

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Mohammed Al Habib. He raised Him

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He grew up in an atmosphere of a bed and Vic and he studied the

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Quran. And he had an amazing ravishing voice, clear and

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incredibly sweet.

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He sat beside the chef and he would recite passages of the

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Quran.

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And Sheikh Mohammed Habib would give the Tafseer

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when the full Quran gathered to sing verses from the Deewan. The

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Divine is Sheikh Mohammed Habib said Maha Mudra Habib's book of

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poetry which is educational poetry.

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CD Hamid's voice soared, above others, an outpouring of pure

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ecstasy, ecstasy. Okay, I found this on the web for how much is

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every time you say anything that sounds like Siri opens up.

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He earned his living as a civil servant. In other words, he worked

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and in the city like a regular person, and as a result of that,

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he was clean shaven, and he dressed in a suit for work. So he

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was modern at that he was one of the first people to have to live

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this double life of part modern and part tradition.

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No, there was a time when people didn't do that they were

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traditional thrown through, but their modernity came in and forced

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people to have to adapt. Okay. But in the Zoja, he was his true self,

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and he would wear the traditional djellaba. And his voice was

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timeless, a rapturous expression of the Oneness of Allah.

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And as a picture here, beautiful Zoja that they're in.

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Now, let's go to the next one, who is the next

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very, very important member of these gatherings in any group

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always has one of these, which that is, the one who takes care of

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the building.

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takes care of the building. And here

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the molar faqeer of the Salem, Murray Abdus Salam,

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his name is and he had a daunting and scary outward appearance due

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to an accident that occurred that altered his face.

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But he had a huge heart that overflowed with mercy.

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And he was also one of the regulars at the Zoja of the shape.

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One day, I found him leaning against one of the pillars in the

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Zoja clutching his stomach in agony. But even in his terrible

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pain, all he saw was Allah's mercy and he kept repeating and

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hamdulillah Al Hamdulillah.

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hamdulillah

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the next one,

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let's put that picture up, you get to see what he's talking about.

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Look at these. The old world Subhanallah there's such a

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serenity in the old world. It's really sad that it disappeared.

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People my age may have caught a glimpse of it. People from the

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time of Peter Sanders and his colleagues caught a lot of

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people my age caught a small spoonful, maybe

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have it. But we caught it so young that

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as modernity washed through these places, completely, altering them

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and washing away the old, the old worlds, it's like a memory that

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you have to pull up. Now, unfortunately for people like

00:37:24 --> 00:37:24

myself.

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The next one was CD 35.

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And he would come to the Zowie of five times a day to make the call

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to prayer. So he was the more than, and he was he was blind.

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But he was always happy and content, the extent of his poverty

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in this world would shock most people. But he had a wealth in the

00:37:48 --> 00:37:51

next world that would amaze us all, meaning like the spiritual

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wealth in his heart, he was satisfied his heart.

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Yep.

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If you were to rely on God, as he should be relied on, he would

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provide you as he provides for the birds who leave home hungry in the

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morning and return in the evening fed. That's a Hadith of the

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Prophet salallahu Salam. And that was his state, he was completely

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dependent upon Allah. And again, in any group, you do find people

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who have this kind of, they represent for the group, this is a

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hood.

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They represent Zoid for this for, for the rest of the group, they

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suffer. Yeah, that's him. They suffer.

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They're the ones who received the suffering.

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And when they do though, they number one, they give the rich a

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chance to do good deeds, the halves. But number two, when a

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person suffers, he, an attribute grows inside of his heart.

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A connection a type of mad if a develops in his heart that others

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cannot handle. The others can't have that.

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A type a level of patience. So is the heart of the one who's

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suffering is not the same as the heart who is the one who's who has

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a lot and he gives any fights and he struggles their hearts are

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different.

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One has to have a lot of stubborn,

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the other may have more courage. One may have to have a lot of

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Zewde

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the other may have to fight temptations, so their hearts are

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going to be different.

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The next one

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there's no title here. I returned to macness in 2017 and was walking

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through the old town when I noticed a djellaba clad blind

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gentleman walking towards me. Something about him reminded me of

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the Zoja caretaker CDR at

00:39:52 --> 00:39:55

Morocco CD is a word of respect says they use it for everybody

00:39:55 --> 00:39:56

like a Mr.

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But I knew that he had passed away nine months ago.

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Previously next I thought of CD 34. But was it possible it was 45

00:40:03 --> 00:40:07

years since I had photographed him? I raced after him to satisfy

00:40:07 --> 00:40:12

my curiosity. He was maneuvering himself unaided. Like a person

00:40:12 --> 00:40:16

with eyesight when he acknowledged that he was CD Khalifa. So that's

00:40:16 --> 00:40:18

why it's a continuation. He looks totally not him.

00:40:19 --> 00:40:24

Yeah, that one. Yeah. So he's the same person as the previous entry.

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But now 45 years past.

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He was amazed.

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At the stately age of 84, with a daughter about to be married. He

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asked about many people from those early visits.

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God had crossed our paths again, so I took the opportunity to

00:40:42 --> 00:40:45

photograph him, he agreed to meet me in the Xhosa. Later where he

00:40:45 --> 00:40:49

stood serenely as I took the new portraits we live such different

00:40:49 --> 00:40:52

lives, but for a few moments, I entered his world

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and you could see his face there having aged 45 years

00:41:05 --> 00:41:09

next, we have the lost soul who became a man of the way

00:41:11 --> 00:41:12

the way meaning the path of Allah.

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And I think we have to stop here because our guests are here.

00:41:17 --> 00:41:22

Today we're interviewing three, or is it two? Is it two or three?

00:41:24 --> 00:41:27

Hold on, let's turn your mic on in a second. We'll turn your mic on

00:41:32 --> 00:41:35

Okay, so you want to stick your last name in there if possible

00:41:47 --> 00:41:49

where's the third person?

00:42:18 --> 00:42:20

All right, we're setting up for

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our interview with the Princeton brothers.

00:42:28 --> 00:42:30

They have been the

00:42:33 --> 00:42:38

leaders of the oh here we are. Here we go. Good. Well done. Why

00:42:38 --> 00:42:41

come Saddam Rahmatullah we're gonna put you on in a second.

00:42:41 --> 00:42:44

Masha. Allah. Well done. Do you have? Can you put your phone wide

00:42:44 --> 00:42:45

David?

00:42:47 --> 00:42:48

Wide so that

00:42:54 --> 00:42:58

if you can, if not, it's not a problem. If you can't, it's not a

00:42:58 --> 00:42:58

problem.

00:43:02 --> 00:43:06

For those on Instagram, if you want to see the whole thing, come

00:43:06 --> 00:43:12

over to YouTube, hop over to YouTube, Safina society. And you

00:43:12 --> 00:43:16

get to see the whole picture. We have three members of Princeton

00:43:16 --> 00:43:19

who led the hunger strike, we're gonna get an update on that from

00:43:19 --> 00:43:24

them on what's happening. What's the latest? How the graduation

00:43:24 --> 00:43:27

went? Because we know that many universities canceled their

00:43:27 --> 00:43:28

graduation.

00:43:29 --> 00:43:32

So we're gonna see we're gonna get the update from them.

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Yeah, Cole was here. You know, we do have an Israeli follower with

00:43:38 --> 00:43:40

tons and listens to everything here.

00:43:41 --> 00:43:42

He's a good guy.

00:43:43 --> 00:43:45

I don't know if he's a Muslim, or he's just I don't see the

00:43:45 --> 00:43:49

comments. Is his comments. Good to me saying hello guys. So, okay.

00:43:50 --> 00:43:55

He's here to listen genuinely or to bother us. Well, Yakov, this

00:43:55 --> 00:43:57

concerns you because the

00:43:59 --> 00:44:00

the

00:44:02 --> 00:44:05

he says here, he's a Jew. Well, this concerns you so pay attention

00:44:05 --> 00:44:10

because this has to do with protesting Israel's genocide. I

00:44:10 --> 00:44:12

don't know if you would identify with Israel or not.

00:44:13 --> 00:44:16

I mean, why would you pin your religion to a government? That's

00:44:16 --> 00:44:20

just human beings, right, who probably do a ton of bad things.

00:44:21 --> 00:44:25

In any event, here we go. Jaco says I emailed you never replied

00:44:25 --> 00:44:25

I'll check the email.

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All right, we are on welcome. We have a recast and we have semi

00:44:35 --> 00:44:40

real and we have David. Welcome to the civil society. Nothing but

00:44:40 --> 00:44:44

facts. Live Stream. Very pleased to have you all here. So you are

00:44:44 --> 00:44:48

from prints and let's start with let's go clockwise. Let's go like

00:44:48 --> 00:44:51

the way we would do tough. So we'll start with David first,

00:44:52 --> 00:44:55

bottom left corner, and then we'll go around to summit and then to a

00:44:55 --> 00:44:59

week. All right, David. Let's go with the first question. Or let us

00:45:00 --> 00:45:04

Tell us give us the summary of your protests. When did it begin?

00:45:05 --> 00:45:10

Is it still going? When did it end? The causes, the purposes etc?

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Yeah, so our hunger strike was tied to the encampment at

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Princeton University, which started on April 25. And it went

00:45:20 --> 00:45:23

for 21 days and then just recently wrapped up, we had

00:45:24 --> 00:45:27

sort of big rally to mark Nakba day like the memorial of the

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Nakba. And then we sort of wrapped up the encampment there.

00:45:30 --> 00:45:34

And then our hunger strike had ended, our hunger strikes started

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the sort of,

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I believe it was like the Friday of like, the first week of the

00:45:38 --> 00:45:42

encampment, and it kept going for about 12 days, and then also

00:45:42 --> 00:45:45

wrapped up, because we felt we had sort of made substantive progress

00:45:45 --> 00:45:48

on very much changing the conversation at Princeton

00:45:48 --> 00:45:53

University, you know, in a lot of ways, like Palestine, or even just

00:45:53 --> 00:45:56

activism in general was the thing that was very sort of underground

00:45:56 --> 00:45:59

on campus. It wasn't something that was very out in the open. But

00:45:59 --> 00:46:01

you know, what we did with the encampment and sort of the hunger

00:46:01 --> 00:46:03

strike very much put it into the center of campus discourse in a

00:46:03 --> 00:46:07

way that, at least personally, I'm very sort of proud of. Very good.

00:46:07 --> 00:46:11

Very good. Let's turn now to set me tell us Did you face any

00:46:11 --> 00:46:12

backlash?

00:46:13 --> 00:46:17

From your advisors, your professors, your Dean's?

00:46:19 --> 00:46:23

Yeah, I think actually more so than backlash. We were We were

00:46:23 --> 00:46:28

amazed at how much support we were getting from the community. The

00:46:28 --> 00:46:31

amount of people that just came out from all over New Jersey, it

00:46:31 --> 00:46:33

was it was incredible. Like, I don't think any of us were

00:46:33 --> 00:46:38

expecting it. And we were really surprised by the amount of people

00:46:38 --> 00:46:42

that were, like, overwhelmingly supportive of us. And I mean, as

00:46:42 --> 00:46:44

far as backlash goes, I wouldn't say

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I think compared to the support, it was almost not noticeable.

00:46:49 --> 00:46:55

Especially directly from the community, from the faculty. And I

00:46:55 --> 00:46:58

think it was just like overwhelmingly positive. I think

00:46:58 --> 00:47:01

the people who actually came up to us, at least, obviously online,

00:47:01 --> 00:47:04

there's always people who are, you know, saying whatever they're

00:47:04 --> 00:47:07

going to say it's kind of impossible to not have backlash

00:47:07 --> 00:47:12

when you're kind of in the public. But I think that people who

00:47:12 --> 00:47:15

actually made an effort to like come see us in person. It was very

00:47:15 --> 00:47:18

positive, like even even there was very minimal counter protester

00:47:18 --> 00:47:22

presence even. Very good. Very good. Let's now go to Adi, tell us

00:47:22 --> 00:47:26

the the hunger strike. What were the terms that you were asking

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when you went on hunger strike? And did you receive

00:47:31 --> 00:47:36

any of the requests? Certainly, of course, so we had two demands. The

00:47:36 --> 00:47:40

first was a meeting regarding disclosure, disassociation and

00:47:40 --> 00:47:43

divestment of the university for its investments in Israel and the

00:47:43 --> 00:47:48

apartheid state of Israel. And two was essentially amnesty, both

00:47:48 --> 00:47:53

legal and disciplinary and legal for the arrested students, both at

00:47:53 --> 00:47:56

the peacefulness and Cleo Hall. And then also at the inception of

00:47:56 --> 00:47:56

the encampment.

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And with regards to the the outcome, so handler, we had a few

00:48:02 --> 00:48:03

meetings with the administration, actually.

00:48:05 --> 00:48:06

I think.

00:48:07 --> 00:48:10

So I think the bargaining team had two meetings with them. And then

00:48:10 --> 00:48:15

we as hunger strikers had a meeting with them as well. And the

00:48:15 --> 00:48:19

sort of outcome of that meeting was actually just released. I

00:48:19 --> 00:48:23

think just yesterday, the students received amnesty, or okay, I guess

00:48:23 --> 00:48:27

it were the unbarred from campuses that or it wasn't embassy, but I

00:48:27 --> 00:48:31

think they were unbarred from campus. And yeah, that that

00:48:31 --> 00:48:34

decision just came out yesterday, after a faculty meeting where by a

00:48:34 --> 00:48:38

slim margin, the faculty was able to push for a recommendation to

00:48:38 --> 00:48:42

grant amnesty to the students or, yeah, so I think basically, the

00:48:42 --> 00:48:43

view, the actual thing that happened is that they were

00:48:43 --> 00:48:47

unbanned from campus. So. So that was a win. And then also, of

00:48:47 --> 00:48:47

course, we had,

00:48:49 --> 00:48:52

we had, you know, sort of three meetings with the administration.

00:48:53 --> 00:49:00

And so in that respect, both both demands were met, to some extent

00:49:00 --> 00:49:02

that you were unbanned from campus, but wasn't the hunger

00:49:02 --> 00:49:05

strike on campus? The hunger strike was on campus. That's

00:49:05 --> 00:49:08

right. So the the students were arrested with hunger strikers they

00:49:08 --> 00:49:10

were arrested.

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And did they say that they agreed to at least have talks about the

00:49:15 --> 00:49:16

divestment?

00:49:17 --> 00:49:22

So? That's a good question. I think the idea regarding

00:49:22 --> 00:49:25

divestment is that they kept redirecting to like a committee

00:49:25 --> 00:49:29

called like the CPUC Resources Committee. And basically, they

00:49:29 --> 00:49:33

kept citing sort of processes that are in place for us to pursue. But

00:49:33 --> 00:49:36

this is not really in line with with past precedent, where we were

00:49:36 --> 00:49:39

able to sort of circumvent these processes for I think, for like

00:49:39 --> 00:49:43

the Black Justice League protests and other sort of precedents. So

00:49:43 --> 00:49:46

but yeah, I don't think we were able to sort of circumvent the

00:49:46 --> 00:49:50

process, but we're still sort of actively pushing that front to see

00:49:50 --> 00:49:53

if we can, you know, realize any change in that respect. Okay, very

00:49:53 --> 00:49:58

good. So let's go swing down now to David. Explain the nature of

00:49:58 --> 00:49:59

the hunger strike. Is this a water fast

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or what's the nature of the hunger strike? How many days? Did you end

00:50:03 --> 00:50:08

up? Was it you're in the heat for a couple of days? How did it go?

00:50:10 --> 00:50:14

Yeah, so the terms of the hunger strike were sort of based on the

00:50:14 --> 00:50:17

practices of like Palestinian political prisoners, who have

00:50:17 --> 00:50:20

engaged in hunger strikes, where they essentially just drink water

00:50:20 --> 00:50:23

and salt water, we sort of adapted that we did water, but we also

00:50:23 --> 00:50:26

like had electrolyte packets that we also added to the water that we

00:50:26 --> 00:50:29

were drinking, to sort of imitate that hydration, effective salt

00:50:29 --> 00:50:32

water, but in a slightly, you know, more safe manner.

00:50:33 --> 00:50:37

And then, so the hunger strike lasted in total for I believe,

00:50:37 --> 00:50:41

like 12 or 13 days. But we had sort of people who like rotated

00:50:41 --> 00:50:45

through during that time. So for example, you know, we had a good

00:50:45 --> 00:50:48

contingent of people who did seven days, and then broke just for

00:50:48 --> 00:50:52

their sort of like health reasons. I, for example, did like nine

00:50:52 --> 00:50:55

days, and then we had a meeting with administration that we felt

00:50:55 --> 00:50:57

went well, so we broke after that. But then there are other people

00:50:57 --> 00:51:00

who kept going to sort of make sure that we actually got to the

00:51:00 --> 00:51:02

stage that Eric mentioned, where there was sort of this official

00:51:02 --> 00:51:05

announcement about the arrest of students.

00:51:06 --> 00:51:09

So it was very much a sort of, you know, I think Samir mentioned that

00:51:09 --> 00:51:12

we had a lot of community support. And it was very much like a sort

00:51:12 --> 00:51:14

of team effort in some sense, where people were, you know,

00:51:14 --> 00:51:17

coming in as they could, and then backing out when it was sort of

00:51:17 --> 00:51:19

called for, for their health reasons.

00:51:20 --> 00:51:21

And then,

00:51:22 --> 00:51:25

you know, one other thing I'll mention is that we were very sort

00:51:25 --> 00:51:28

of, you know, well supported, like, medically, for example,

00:51:28 --> 00:51:30

they're like community doctors who are checking on us.

00:51:31 --> 00:51:34

And, you know, that was sort of an interesting element of the hunger

00:51:34 --> 00:51:36

strike, because we were conscious of the fact that we were very

00:51:36 --> 00:51:39

supported in a way that a lot of the people in Gaza are like, not

00:51:39 --> 00:51:41

like, you know, they're going through famine, and they don't

00:51:41 --> 00:51:43

have this sort of medical infrastructure. So I think it was

00:51:43 --> 00:51:46

also a very sort of humbling experience for a lot of us,

00:51:46 --> 00:51:47

reminding us that, you know, we were doing this gesture in

00:51:47 --> 00:51:50

solidarity with the Palestinian people, but we still can't really

00:51:50 --> 00:51:53

comprehend the sort of extent of the suffering that they're facing.

00:51:53 --> 00:51:57

So your inspiration for the hunger strike was the hunger of the

00:51:57 --> 00:52:02

people of Gaza now that Rafa are in camps? That are they're not,

00:52:02 --> 00:52:04

they're not in hunger strike, they're in pure just hunger,

00:52:05 --> 00:52:09

because of the lack of resources. So I have a follow up question to

00:52:09 --> 00:52:14

that is, so you went on a basically seven day hunger strike?

00:52:14 --> 00:52:17

Tell us about that physically? How did that affect your ability to

00:52:17 --> 00:52:22

think your ability to process just to be alert all that? Because I

00:52:22 --> 00:52:24

can tell you personally, I've never I don't have experience with

00:52:24 --> 00:52:27

anything close to that. So I'm curious.

00:52:28 --> 00:52:29

How'd it go?

00:52:30 --> 00:52:32

Yeah, I think there was a really wide range of experiences for the

00:52:32 --> 00:52:36

people involved. And I think in part, the sort of,

00:52:37 --> 00:52:40

you know, there's really, like, certain people had more severe,

00:52:40 --> 00:52:42

like medical consequences. And a lot of that, in part was the

00:52:42 --> 00:52:45

result of the actions of the university, the University sort of

00:52:45 --> 00:52:48

refused to allow us to, like set up shelters for the hunger

00:52:48 --> 00:52:50

strikers to stay. And even when there were several days, where it

00:52:50 --> 00:52:53

was very cold and rainy, and like windy, and they literally just

00:52:53 --> 00:52:56

refused to like even acknowledge the possibility that like tents

00:52:56 --> 00:52:59

would be helpful. And they sort of actively took down like tarps that

00:52:59 --> 00:53:01

people set up so that hunger strikers could, you know, be

00:53:01 --> 00:53:04

protected from the rain. Because, you know, the goal was for us to

00:53:04 --> 00:53:06

be visible and sort of out there at the encampment all the time,

00:53:07 --> 00:53:08

but that the university intentionally made that very

00:53:08 --> 00:53:11

difficult and more dangerous to our health than it needed to be.

00:53:12 --> 00:53:15

So, you know, we had like, for example, a hunger striker who went

00:53:15 --> 00:53:18

to the hospital, and we had other people who sort of had like more

00:53:18 --> 00:53:21

severe weight loss and symptoms, but then, you know, others among

00:53:21 --> 00:53:24

us, like, I mean, personally, I like felt not that bad throughout

00:53:24 --> 00:53:28

the entire thing from below. And I think in part that was the result

00:53:28 --> 00:53:30

of, you know, something severe mentioned, like, the sort of level

00:53:30 --> 00:53:33

of support that we're getting from community, and many ways was like

00:53:33 --> 00:53:37

more energizing than any food ever could be. So I think morale was

00:53:37 --> 00:53:41

very high. Physically, there were sort of a wide range of symptoms

00:53:41 --> 00:53:45

that were on display. Okay, I have one more question on the protests,

00:53:45 --> 00:53:48

and I want to talk about ideological things. So Samir,

00:53:49 --> 00:53:52

do you think that the end of the school year sort of helped all

00:53:52 --> 00:53:53

these universities?

00:53:55 --> 00:53:59

Yeah, all these protests came towards the last few weeks of

00:53:59 --> 00:54:04

school. It's interesting, I think, in some ways, it helped them but

00:54:04 --> 00:54:08

it also helped us in many ways, because universities graduation

00:54:08 --> 00:54:11

for universities is like a big point of leverage that we had over

00:54:11 --> 00:54:14

them. So Princeton's graduation is actually quite late, the

00:54:14 --> 00:54:19

graduation hasn't even happened. It's a week from today, May 28. So

00:54:20 --> 00:54:24

other universities where the graduation is much closer to the

00:54:24 --> 00:54:27

end of classes and the finals, I think, definitely, I'd imagine at

00:54:27 --> 00:54:30

least it's served as like a major point of leverage for them were

00:54:30 --> 00:54:34

universities. I think part of the reason that you're seeing this,

00:54:34 --> 00:54:37

like intense police response is because they were so worried about

00:54:37 --> 00:54:42

the way students are, are are openly protesting and making this

00:54:42 --> 00:54:46

visible, making the issue of Palestine visible and making the

00:54:46 --> 00:54:50

ongoing genocide visible. It was so problematic for universities

00:54:50 --> 00:54:54

because they have all these alumni and parents coming during

00:54:54 --> 00:54:57

graduation. So I think, obviously, there's an element of like

00:54:57 --> 00:55:00

students are leaving campus but at the same time, there's kind of a

00:55:00 --> 00:55:03

competing clock and graduation. That's that's that universities

00:55:03 --> 00:55:06

have and reunions for most universities tend to be around

00:55:06 --> 00:55:08

this time as well. I mean, that's especially bad.

00:55:10 --> 00:55:16

Okay. Now permit, permit me now to shift from strategy, which is what

00:55:16 --> 00:55:18

you are all engaged in

00:55:19 --> 00:55:21

and thought, okay,

00:55:22 --> 00:55:28

thought involves, like the philosophy behind an activist

00:55:28 --> 00:55:28

movement.

00:55:29 --> 00:55:32

And you're all from Princeton. So I'm sure you're very thoughtful

00:55:32 --> 00:55:36

about this is that when a lot of Muslims went to encampments, a lot

00:55:36 --> 00:55:41

of people who may work maybe we're not fully aware of the nature of

00:55:41 --> 00:55:46

the activist world, they were a bit surprised by the nature of the

00:55:46 --> 00:55:51

of a lot of protests, namely, that there was a nationalistic vibe to

00:55:51 --> 00:55:56

a lot of them, maybe even a Marxist type of attitude towards

00:55:57 --> 00:56:01

the powerful that they were a bit taken aback by? So

00:56:03 --> 00:56:06

tell me, tell me, where where is your? Where are your thoughts

00:56:06 --> 00:56:11

regarding the nature of the activist? Crowd, as some people

00:56:11 --> 00:56:14

like to put it? And I don't want to say that in any conduct can

00:56:14 --> 00:56:19

condescending way, but the thought of activists? Is it? Is it rooted

00:56:19 --> 00:56:23

in a type of nationalistic socialists type of secular

00:56:23 --> 00:56:26

approach? Or is it rooted in a

00:56:28 --> 00:56:31

religious theology? Or do you think people don't have either

00:56:31 --> 00:56:34

they don't really care for either of that they're not even thinking

00:56:34 --> 00:56:38

that deeply. And they're just protesting what they see in the on

00:56:38 --> 00:56:41

the news? So we'll go to a week for his first thoughts. I'd like

00:56:41 --> 00:56:43

to hear all your thoughts on this.

00:56:44 --> 00:56:47

Yeah, that's, that's really interesting observation, I think.

00:56:47 --> 00:56:49

Okay, so for one, I think part of the beauty of this is that it's

00:56:49 --> 00:56:52

very in homogenous, like, you know, we have, like, you know, a

00:56:52 --> 00:56:54

very classical examples that we're building sort of like a microcosm

00:56:54 --> 00:56:57

of the society that we want to see. And so we'll see, for

00:56:57 --> 00:57:00

example, like, you know, we had our drummer service, and then at

00:57:00 --> 00:57:03

night, you know, the Jews had their Shabbat service, and like,

00:57:03 --> 00:57:07

all in the same sort of area. So the ideologies are definitely

00:57:07 --> 00:57:08

like, there are many different, you know, different groups of

00:57:08 --> 00:57:11

people here with very different worldviews and perspectives. But I

00:57:11 --> 00:57:14

think we're all like, what unites us is the fact that we're aligned

00:57:14 --> 00:57:16

with the cause of justice. And, you know, we're here to stand up

00:57:16 --> 00:57:19

against oppression. And so I think, for that reason, like,

00:57:19 --> 00:57:21

we're able to sort of,

00:57:22 --> 00:57:25

you know, actually, you know, not really care about these

00:57:25 --> 00:57:28

differences, and really try and focus on the unity that we need in

00:57:28 --> 00:57:30

order to further the cause. Right.

00:57:31 --> 00:57:34

So, and I think that's reflected also in the programming, like,

00:57:34 --> 00:57:38

it's not just like, you know, like, first of all, like, David,

00:57:38 --> 00:57:40

you know, would would leave, these are our that we would do after

00:57:40 --> 00:57:43

each, you know, of the phenomena, and like, this was sort of our way

00:57:43 --> 00:57:45

of, you know, engaging with

00:57:46 --> 00:57:50

renal system like engaging with, and then all of these different

00:57:50 --> 00:57:52

sort of like groups would have their own sort of things in the

00:57:52 --> 00:57:54

programming sequence where they would, you know, do things in

00:57:54 --> 00:57:57

their own way. So, yeah, basically, my underlying point is,

00:57:57 --> 00:57:59

that's not homogenous. I think that's beautiful. Like, I think,

00:57:59 --> 00:58:03

you know, the, the, yeah, the fact that there were these differences,

00:58:03 --> 00:58:06

but we're united under the single cost. And I think the the having a

00:58:06 --> 00:58:11

homogenous, sorry, a heterogeneous group, everyone is able to say

00:58:11 --> 00:58:13

something different. In other words, there are certain things

00:58:13 --> 00:58:17

Jewish students can say they're walking to get in trouble for that

00:58:17 --> 00:58:20

a Palestinian student cannot say, as an example.

00:58:21 --> 00:58:26

All right, David, your thoughts on this concept of the heterogeneous

00:58:26 --> 00:58:30

nature of the underlying thought and beliefs of the different

00:58:30 --> 00:58:31

protesters?

00:58:33 --> 00:58:35

Yeah, I mean, I think something that's really interesting to think

00:58:35 --> 00:58:38

about, as well as like, at least something that I experienced at

00:58:38 --> 00:58:41

the encampment was that I think there was, even if people wouldn't

00:58:41 --> 00:58:44

necessarily articulate it in through the lens of something

00:58:44 --> 00:58:47

religious, there was definitely a very sort of, like spiritual

00:58:47 --> 00:58:50

energy at the encampment, I think, like I remember, at 1.1 of the,

00:58:50 --> 00:58:53

like, administrators from the Office of Religious Life came over

00:58:53 --> 00:58:56

to me and frequently we're sitting in like, the hunger strikers area.

00:58:56 --> 00:58:58

And he was like, it feels like a monastery over here. He was like,

00:58:58 --> 00:59:01

there's definitely like this very, like, sort of,

00:59:02 --> 00:59:06

I think, yeah, I guess spiritual or maybe poetic is the right word

00:59:06 --> 00:59:09

for it. So I think something that's interesting about, like,

00:59:09 --> 00:59:11

the encampment, as an experience, is that, you know, as a reader

00:59:11 --> 00:59:14

sort of alluded to, a lot of the people there were there because

00:59:14 --> 00:59:17

they sort of had these visions of like, what they want, like a more

00:59:17 --> 00:59:20

just world to look like or a more equitable world to look like. And

00:59:20 --> 00:59:22

I think what's interesting to me is that like, in many ways, those

00:59:22 --> 00:59:26

visions aren't really secular, because they're sort of referring

00:59:26 --> 00:59:30

to, like these sorts of ways of making meaning that sort of exceed

00:59:30 --> 00:59:32

secular or materialist understandings of the world.

00:59:33 --> 00:59:36

You know, this is sort of an more long standing academic debate that

00:59:36 --> 00:59:39

I'm interested in, like, there has been like debates over like Fanon,

00:59:39 --> 00:59:41

for example, and sort of decolonial theory, and whether

00:59:41 --> 00:59:44

decolonial theory sort of has this like spiritual dimension to it,

00:59:44 --> 00:59:46

because it's very much gesturing towards this idea of like another

00:59:46 --> 00:59:51

world beyond empire and beyond imperialism, and there's sort of a

00:59:51 --> 00:59:54

very otherworldly quality to that that isn't necessarily articulated

00:59:54 --> 00:59:57

in the same way that a religious person would, but there's

00:59:57 --> 00:59:59

definitely something there and I think this is like one of the most

00:59:59 --> 00:59:59

interesting

01:00:00 --> 01:00:03

Part of the encampment experience is like encountering people who

01:00:03 --> 01:00:06

like are, you know, not Muslim, but they almost articulate things

01:00:06 --> 01:00:07

in a way that feels very Muslim.

01:00:08 --> 01:00:11

And so that was sort of an interesting, unique part of the

01:00:11 --> 01:00:14

experience, this sort of idea of like us all coming together around

01:00:14 --> 01:00:17

like an almost like, collective meaning making project, which in

01:00:17 --> 01:00:21

many ways religion is also like a meaning making project. Very good.

01:00:21 --> 01:00:24

Beautiful. Next. Sameer? Your thoughts on that?

01:00:25 --> 01:00:26

Yeah.

01:00:27 --> 01:00:32

I think it's interesting, we talked to a lot of people who

01:00:33 --> 01:00:35

loved community members were a lot older than us who are reflecting

01:00:35 --> 01:00:41

on their experiences with issues that maybe Muslims exclusively

01:00:41 --> 01:00:43

might have cared about in the past. So for example, like the

01:00:43 --> 01:00:47

Bosnian genocide, they would talk about how, you know, there wasn't

01:00:47 --> 01:00:52

really these type of movements during that time, or post 911, or

01:00:52 --> 01:00:57

in any previous kind of tragedy that occurred in Palestine, there,

01:00:57 --> 01:00:58

even when there were protests.

01:01:00 --> 01:01:04

They tended to be like a very small group of people, and they,

01:01:04 --> 01:01:08

you know, didn't really experience a lot of, like non Muslim support

01:01:08 --> 01:01:12

in those moments. And now, when you look at these protests, that

01:01:12 --> 01:01:17

are occurring in solidarity with what's happening in Gaza, it's

01:01:17 --> 01:01:20

like a, I mean, it's a completely different world compared to what

01:01:20 --> 01:01:25

they were experiencing, and the way they described the world

01:01:25 --> 01:01:30

around them. And I think it's important that we highlight the

01:01:30 --> 01:01:34

kind of diversity that our week was talking about, as like a major

01:01:34 --> 01:01:39

strength and development in what's going on. It's it's

01:01:40 --> 01:01:44

really, really been beneficial that not everybody in these

01:01:45 --> 01:01:47

protests are the same types of people.

01:01:48 --> 01:01:52

Yet, they're all able to sort of see the true nature of the

01:01:52 --> 01:01:57

injustice that's unfolding. And I think trying to paint in broad

01:01:57 --> 01:02:01

strokes, why all those people are seeing that injustice as anything,

01:02:01 --> 01:02:05

but the fact that they see the truth and what's happening, like

01:02:05 --> 01:02:08

saying that, Oh, well, it's because they all share this some

01:02:08 --> 01:02:11

some particular ideology. I wouldn't say they necessarily do.

01:02:12 --> 01:02:14

I would say that they're all.

01:02:15 --> 01:02:18

I mean, as you put it, they're seeing what's happening on the

01:02:18 --> 01:02:21

news. And they see that there's a grave injustice, injustice

01:02:21 --> 01:02:22

unfolding.

01:02:23 --> 01:02:27

And I think people also understand it, not just as an injustice

01:02:27 --> 01:02:30

that's happening in Palestine, but as something that is emblematic

01:02:30 --> 01:02:34

of, of injustices that are happening all around the world.

01:02:34 --> 01:02:37

And that has been happening. So we've had teachings where, you

01:02:37 --> 01:02:39

know, people come and they connect, what's happening to

01:02:40 --> 01:02:42

things that are occurring in Korea, things that are occurring

01:02:42 --> 01:02:46

in Kashmir are things that are occurring in Sudan and the Congo.

01:02:46 --> 01:02:48

And so there's like a lot of

01:02:49 --> 01:02:50

intersectionality,

01:02:52 --> 01:02:55

about systems of oppression throughout the world. And I think

01:02:55 --> 01:02:58

that's actually been a very immense strength, and a very

01:02:58 --> 01:03:02

empowering part of what we've been experiencing. When you have a lot

01:03:02 --> 01:03:06

of diverse thoughts all agreeing on something, chances are that it

01:03:06 --> 01:03:11

is a clear and gross oppression. Whereas if you only had one group

01:03:11 --> 01:03:15

of people holding something to be in depression, then yeah, maybe in

01:03:15 --> 01:03:19

depression in their view, as opposed to something where

01:03:19 --> 01:03:23

everyone seems to have like a type of edge now that what's happening

01:03:23 --> 01:03:27

here can't be right. Even if you don't have any set of ideologies,

01:03:27 --> 01:03:31

and most people don't have a clearly defined belief system in

01:03:31 --> 01:03:36

their life, they just sort of living without that. And they're

01:03:36 --> 01:03:40

coming out against this to let me ask this now, again, we'll go

01:03:40 --> 01:03:41

around the clock.

01:03:42 --> 01:03:45

How far are we from the

01:03:47 --> 01:03:53

the the feeling that taking Israeli money, or taking a PAC

01:03:53 --> 01:03:59

money? Is something taboo? Are we ism? Are Americans 10 years from

01:03:59 --> 01:04:01

that? 50 years from that 20 years from that?

01:04:02 --> 01:04:05

Where do you think we're headed? Will it ever happen that

01:04:05 --> 01:04:12

universities would find it to be taboo, to have ties with the

01:04:12 --> 01:04:15

University of Israel, or politicians would feel like I'm

01:04:15 --> 01:04:18

gonna lose, it's gonna be a big headache. If people find out I'm

01:04:18 --> 01:04:21

taking a PAC money, so I'm just gonna stay away from that.

01:04:23 --> 01:04:24

Where do you where do you think we're headed with that?

01:04:27 --> 01:04:31

Yeah. Okay, so I think I mean, of course, you see this sort of, you

01:04:31 --> 01:04:34

know, we're college students right now, when you see sort of like the

01:04:34 --> 01:04:35

Wii.

01:04:37 --> 01:04:39

Like the fact that this is happening all over the country and

01:04:39 --> 01:04:43

all around the world. So, if you just imagine you know, in 10 years

01:04:43 --> 01:04:46

when when each of us are in, you know, moving towards positions of

01:04:46 --> 01:04:51

power, like this one, this world reflects the general consensus by

01:04:51 --> 01:04:55

nature of, you know, us being the future of the, you know, like the

01:04:55 --> 01:04:59

world in some sense, right. So, I can imagine very easily that like

01:04:59 --> 01:05:00

within the next 10

01:05:00 --> 01:05:05

yours are so like, of course, I this is you know, and this is just

01:05:05 --> 01:05:08

the way that I see it. But also I've also been living, I've been

01:05:08 --> 01:05:11

in a bubble of like, I've been adding a cabin for two weeks like

01:05:11 --> 01:05:15

so. Like my perception of the world is probably very biased

01:05:15 --> 01:05:18

right now. But But yeah, I don't know, I could imagine very easily

01:05:18 --> 01:05:21

in 10 years when when these people are in the workforce in the world,

01:05:21 --> 01:05:23

like actually realizing

01:05:24 --> 01:05:26

or not, not just they're not realizing change right now. But

01:05:27 --> 01:05:31

yeah, that can be very natural sort of timescale. Yeah. David?

01:05:33 --> 01:05:36

Yeah, I mean, I think one of the remarkable things about the

01:05:36 --> 01:05:39

encampment for me as well, it was like, the way it brought in a lot

01:05:39 --> 01:05:43

of people who I wouldn't have expected to, like, be there

01:05:43 --> 01:05:46

essentially, like people who are new on campus who sort of had

01:05:47 --> 01:05:50

vaguely like liberal or leftist politics, but who I didn't know

01:05:50 --> 01:05:53

actually like, would be willing to do anything tangible about this

01:05:53 --> 01:05:54

cause specifically.

01:05:55 --> 01:05:59

And so my sort of hope, for where the movement goes from here is

01:05:59 --> 01:06:02

that for a lot of people now, like Palestine is an issue that they

01:06:02 --> 01:06:05

like, think about critically, and it's sort of at the front of their

01:06:05 --> 01:06:07

mind, in a way that it may not have been previously.

01:06:08 --> 01:06:11

So I think just to echo sort of Rick's point, like, I'm very

01:06:11 --> 01:06:14

hopeful about, like, our current, like, generation, I think polling

01:06:14 --> 01:06:17

suggests that, like, our generation is quite, you know, by

01:06:17 --> 01:06:21

a good margin, like the most sort of pro Palestinian generation in

01:06:21 --> 01:06:25

America. And I hope that will only sort of increase as people sort of

01:06:25 --> 01:06:28

come to view Palestine is like an important cause through things

01:06:28 --> 01:06:31

like this encampment, like I think, I genuinely do believe

01:06:31 --> 01:06:33

that, like this woke a lot of people up. And it sort of put

01:06:33 --> 01:06:36

Palestine into the center of the discourse, in a way that it hasn't

01:06:36 --> 01:06:38

been previously, you know, like something Samir mentioned, that

01:06:38 --> 01:06:41

committee members have also mentioned to us is like, you know,

01:06:41 --> 01:06:44

they really like this, like this kind of things that were chanting,

01:06:44 --> 01:06:46

like from the river to the sea, like, it's we're sort of

01:06:46 --> 01:06:50

unimaginable, like 10, or even, you know, 20 years ago, like for

01:06:50 --> 01:06:52

these to be things that like college students are, like, openly

01:06:52 --> 01:06:55

sort of saying and embracing. So I think there's a way that like, the

01:06:55 --> 01:06:59

Overton window has shifted very rapidly. And if we keep pushing,

01:06:59 --> 01:07:01

you know, shallow, that'll continue to sort of be the case.

01:07:02 --> 01:07:03

Very good. Very good, Samir.

01:07:05 --> 01:07:10

Yeah. So if you think about the example of boycotting Starbucks,

01:07:12 --> 01:07:16

where, you know, boycotting Starbucks, in practice, probably

01:07:16 --> 01:07:21

doesn't make a huge dent in Starbucks is, you know, financial

01:07:21 --> 01:07:24

profits or their ability to operate as a business. But, like,

01:07:24 --> 01:07:29

really what it has done is now, you know, when somebody goes to

01:07:29 --> 01:07:33

buy a cup of coffee, they have to think about the fact that there's

01:07:33 --> 01:07:35

a genocide occurring. And they have to think about the fact that

01:07:35 --> 01:07:38

even in buying a cup of coffee, I'm now implicated in this

01:07:38 --> 01:07:42

genocide, or it's possible to be implicated in this genocide, which

01:07:42 --> 01:07:46

is not something that people were really conscious of before. And I

01:07:46 --> 01:07:50

think this, what this movement has done is it has done exactly like

01:07:50 --> 01:07:54

that kind of that effect of boycotting Starbucks, it's kind of

01:07:54 --> 01:07:59

put that everywhere, I think it's not possible to, you know, kind of

01:07:59 --> 01:08:03

affiliate yourself with Israel now, without at least thinking

01:08:03 --> 01:08:06

about it. Even if even if, you know, there are people who are

01:08:06 --> 01:08:09

Zionist that may decide I don't care, I'm like, down with the

01:08:09 --> 01:08:13

Israeli government, it's impossible to just like accept

01:08:13 --> 01:08:16

that relations with this country is just a normal thing, like

01:08:16 --> 01:08:20

relationship with any other country. I think it's becoming

01:08:20 --> 01:08:25

increasingly difficult to maintain that position. And I mean, like

01:08:25 --> 01:08:30

Rick said, we've been in like, a pretty, like, pro Palestine space

01:08:30 --> 01:08:32

for like, past three weeks. So it's hard to say,

01:08:33 --> 01:08:37

in like, an unbiased way, like, how are things truly shifting, but

01:08:37 --> 01:08:40

I think, based on you know, all of the people that we've talked to,

01:08:40 --> 01:08:43

it's at the very least, like, it's impossible not to think about

01:08:43 --> 01:08:47

these things. And like David's been saying the Overton window has

01:08:47 --> 01:08:50

most definitely shifted, just the fact that we're able to even have

01:08:50 --> 01:08:55

these protests at this scale is a sign of that. Well, people when

01:08:55 --> 01:08:59

you when students were going for the divestment, and people were

01:08:59 --> 01:09:03

saying, No, there's no point there's no way these university do

01:09:03 --> 01:09:08

as multimillion dollar deals like Rutgers has a huge center count

01:09:08 --> 01:09:13

going up. That's between them and University of Israel, or Tel Aviv

01:09:14 --> 01:09:17

University, one of these, but the point was that by making such a

01:09:17 --> 01:09:21

big bulk bold claim, you get people's attention. The true

01:09:22 --> 01:09:26

success is altering the culture of what you all have said basically,

01:09:26 --> 01:09:30

that this is now like normal speak. This is now the language of

01:09:30 --> 01:09:33

justice is now to care about Palestine.

01:09:34 --> 01:09:38

People are now keeping track of who said what, and change doesn't

01:09:38 --> 01:09:42

happen immediately the in the financial element, you the

01:09:42 --> 01:09:47

financial is usually the last. The cultural comes first. You change

01:09:47 --> 01:09:51

the culture, you alter what people perceive what the common person

01:09:51 --> 01:09:57

perceives, then bigger businesses will have to start to think twice.

01:09:57 --> 01:09:59

We saw this last June when they were

01:10:00 --> 01:10:04

massive drops in the stock of target and Bud Light, because of

01:10:04 --> 01:10:09

how much they pushed certain agendas that bothered families and

01:10:09 --> 01:10:13

bothered mothers and bothered fathers that they pulled up pulled

01:10:13 --> 01:10:16

back. And we saw major league baseball and National Hockey

01:10:16 --> 01:10:20

League, all these banned all sorts of political statements. Why?

01:10:20 --> 01:10:23

Because the culture changed. And that's really what these protests

01:10:23 --> 01:10:26

are doing. Because when you put yourself out there in public, and

01:10:26 --> 01:10:30

you have something dramatic, like a hunger strike, nobody can not

01:10:30 --> 01:10:35

cover that. Media has to cover that people are going to see it.

01:10:35 --> 01:10:38

And so you change the culture you get in people's heads, you change

01:10:38 --> 01:10:43

the culture very slowly. Now, my next question, we know for sure

01:10:43 --> 01:10:47

that AIPAC is working 24/7, all these other groups that they have

01:10:48 --> 01:10:53

24/7 to support their cause? And to fight for their cause? These

01:10:53 --> 01:10:58

protests seemed to have come Yes, maybe there were some people who

01:10:58 --> 01:11:03

were activists before this. And they put it in high gear. Many

01:11:03 --> 01:11:06

other people, for the first time did anything like this.

01:11:07 --> 01:11:10

They don't know how it works, what the language is, how does this

01:11:10 --> 01:11:15

stuff work? So my question is now, how do you how do you plan to keep

01:11:15 --> 01:11:16

this up.

01:11:17 --> 01:11:21

So it can't just stop here. And everyone packs up and goes home,

01:11:22 --> 01:11:26

because the other side is going to be building up their agenda, and

01:11:26 --> 01:11:29

working 24 hours a day, to ensure something like this doesn't happen

01:11:29 --> 01:11:35

again. So we can be basically let the energy go down to a zero. And

01:11:35 --> 01:11:38

then when something happens start up again, we'll be starting up

01:11:38 --> 01:11:42

from zero again. So how do we keep this up? Going forward? What kind

01:11:42 --> 01:11:45

of physical actions can the regular person do

01:11:46 --> 01:11:48

to keep the momentum going?

01:11:52 --> 01:11:55

Alright, let's start with let's go with a week, we'll keep going

01:11:55 --> 01:11:56

around the clock.

01:11:58 --> 01:11:59

Yeah, that's, that's really good question.

01:12:00 --> 01:12:01

Yeah.

01:12:02 --> 01:12:05

I think I've also been very actively reflecting on this

01:12:05 --> 01:12:07

myself, I think so. I mean, there are two things. I mean, there's

01:12:07 --> 01:12:09

sort of like the general advice you can give to, like, you know,

01:12:09 --> 01:12:12

the everyday person of like, what they can do. But then there's also

01:12:12 --> 01:12:15

like, you know, like, as a Muslim, right, like, I need to actively

01:12:15 --> 01:12:18

reflect on the risks, but also the other has wills for me, and then

01:12:18 --> 01:12:20

think about, like, you know, the specific things that he's given

01:12:20 --> 01:12:23

me, like, I need to think about, like, how it is that I can use

01:12:23 --> 01:12:26

that to serve his cause, right, is to stand up for justice to command

01:12:26 --> 01:12:30

right and forbid, wrong. Right. So I think that reflection, I think,

01:12:30 --> 01:12:34

is a very big piece that maybe people have not been think about

01:12:34 --> 01:12:37

as much like I think the protests, these sort of massive acts of

01:12:37 --> 01:12:40

unity are very important. But I think that this needs to be sort

01:12:40 --> 01:12:43

of balanced with sort of like very actively thinking about, like, you

01:12:43 --> 01:12:47

know, what are the camels that I am the Lord, right, like, what is

01:12:47 --> 01:12:49

what is the hospitals that have given me that I need to know,

01:12:49 --> 01:12:53

like, think about how I can use it to surface cars.

01:12:54 --> 01:12:57

So that that is something that I think we need to think about, like

01:12:57 --> 01:13:00

reflecting on that. And then also, I think, just in general, like,

01:13:01 --> 01:13:04

sorts of continuing continuing the BDS movement in this SMU was

01:13:04 --> 01:13:07

referring to like a study of ethical consumerism, and to like

01:13:07 --> 01:13:10

thinking about, like, how economic decisions have, you know, like,

01:13:10 --> 01:13:12

moral ramifications, I think,

01:13:13 --> 01:13:14

can really like

01:13:16 --> 01:13:18

pushing on that, I think,

01:13:20 --> 01:13:22

yeah, that that can be another big component of it, too. But yeah,

01:13:22 --> 01:13:24

this is definitely something that I'm also thinking after free

01:13:24 --> 01:13:27

actively. Yeah. And I don't really have answers. So, you know, in

01:13:27 --> 01:13:31

Islam, you keep your Eman up. Because the sooner the shooter

01:13:31 --> 01:13:35

gives you little things that you do little and big things that you

01:13:35 --> 01:13:38

do every single day, like you can not forget, even when you go to

01:13:38 --> 01:13:40

the bathroom at three in the morning, there's a sudden, go in

01:13:40 --> 01:13:44

with your left foot, right, use your left hand wash, your hands

01:13:44 --> 01:13:48

come out with your right foot, and there's a.so, a three in the

01:13:48 --> 01:13:51

morning, you're bumbling your way to the bathroom. There's like five

01:13:51 --> 01:13:58

little touch points that basically keep the oil drip dripping in the

01:13:58 --> 01:14:01

engine of that. Amen. Even at three in the morning. We need like

01:14:01 --> 01:14:05

something like this that everyone could do. So middle class people

01:14:05 --> 01:14:07

just continue stop drinking Starbucks, right? That's something

01:14:07 --> 01:14:10

that they could do. Everyday they drink coffee, they buy coffee, at

01:14:10 --> 01:14:13

least that's something they could, it doesn't even have to be it

01:14:13 --> 01:14:17

could be tangentially related, but this keeps the spirit alive. You

01:14:17 --> 01:14:19

know, David, your thoughts on this?

01:14:20 --> 01:14:23

Yeah, I'll just pick up on one particular aspect, I think that I

01:14:23 --> 01:14:26

think will be really important, you know, because like part of

01:14:26 --> 01:14:29

this sort of work that AIPAC and other sort of Zionist

01:14:29 --> 01:14:32

organizations do is there sort of consistently pushing a narrative

01:14:32 --> 01:14:34

and they've been very effective at that for a long time, where

01:14:34 --> 01:14:37

they're sort of trying to make people think that their sort of

01:14:37 --> 01:14:41

framing of the problem is the only way to think about Palestine.

01:14:42 --> 01:14:45

And you know, especially one thing that they tried to do is just

01:14:45 --> 01:14:46

erase the existence of Palestinians in the first place.

01:14:46 --> 01:14:50

Like they tried to make it seem as if this isn't like an empty land

01:14:50 --> 01:14:53

and you know, sort of like Zeina settlers just came in and sort of,

01:14:53 --> 01:14:56

you know, took over an empty place. So I think, you know, one

01:14:56 --> 01:14:59

of the number one things that we can do to sort of break that logic

01:14:59 --> 01:14:59

and expose

01:15:00 --> 01:15:04

falsehood is just insist on Palestinian presence. And you

01:15:04 --> 01:15:06

know, one way we can do that. And I think it goes back to what Eric

01:15:06 --> 01:15:08

was mentioning about what was happening at the encampment is

01:15:08 --> 01:15:12

just consistent education. Like when you have the time, read

01:15:12 --> 01:15:15

Palestinian poetry, look at Palestinian art, you know, read

01:15:15 --> 01:15:19

Palestinian literature, read scholars like Edward Saeed, you

01:15:19 --> 01:15:21

know, others sort of like Palestinian writers.

01:15:22 --> 01:15:26

So that, when it comes to like the sort of narrative that gets pushed

01:15:26 --> 01:15:29

in, like the broader, you know, culture, you have the tools to

01:15:29 --> 01:15:32

resist that for yourself. And also, just like in one on one

01:15:32 --> 01:15:34

conversations with people, that's a very effective way of sort of

01:15:34 --> 01:15:37

changing the culture, if you can actually respond to these things,

01:15:37 --> 01:15:40

when people bring them up in your personal life. So that's the sort

01:15:40 --> 01:15:43

of thing that I would mention is like, how do we sort of sustain a

01:15:43 --> 01:15:45

movement, it's making sure that people take the steps to get

01:15:45 --> 01:15:48

educated so that these things don't leave their mind, and so

01:15:48 --> 01:15:51

that they always have these talking points ready. And that

01:15:51 --> 01:15:53

will be, you know, really crucial thing. And I think that's an

01:15:53 --> 01:15:55

infrastructure that we're developing, you know, like, more

01:15:55 --> 01:15:58

and more people are starting to study this issue, and understand

01:15:58 --> 01:16:00

the sort of real history of the region. And that will be very

01:16:00 --> 01:16:03

effective in making sure that there's like a large group of

01:16:03 --> 01:16:05

people who can push back against the sort of Zionist lies that are

01:16:05 --> 01:16:09

very prominent in the media. You notice that things that you said,

01:16:09 --> 01:16:14

tell the story over and over? Read, talk to people? We have the

01:16:14 --> 01:16:19

same thing with knowledge, right? The Quran, but we have Ramadan,

01:16:19 --> 01:16:24

Allah gave us Ramadan, Ramadan is a month. No, Matt, everyone

01:16:24 --> 01:16:27

stopped what they're doing. And they recite Quran, right?

01:16:28 --> 01:16:32

You know, what amazing thing that you guys could do is, what was the

01:16:32 --> 01:16:37

darkest moment of the whole period of time from October until now?

01:16:38 --> 01:16:39

That should be a month.

01:16:40 --> 01:16:45

And it should have a name in which everyone tells the story? Because

01:16:45 --> 01:16:48

on the one hand, people say, no, no, we should tell the story all

01:16:48 --> 01:16:52

the time, not limited to one month. Yes. But that one month,

01:16:52 --> 01:16:56

does so much when you concentrate everything into one month?

01:16:57 --> 01:17:00

Everyone has a month, right? Why shouldn't the Palestinians have a

01:17:00 --> 01:17:02

month? And what would the name of that month be?

01:17:04 --> 01:17:04

And

01:17:05 --> 01:17:09

the goal of the month is to tell the story of the neck bow of 1948,

01:17:09 --> 01:17:13

then to tell the story of this and to tell all the stories. And also,

01:17:13 --> 01:17:17

it's a chance to answer back to all these other ridiculous claims

01:17:17 --> 01:17:20

like there are no such thing as Palestinian people, or that the

01:17:20 --> 01:17:21

land was empty.

01:17:22 --> 01:17:28

Or that or even just the origin of how this neck bap and what legal

01:17:28 --> 01:17:31

authority gave them. What gave them the authority to settle here

01:17:31 --> 01:17:34

in the first place? And was that a valid authority? And the

01:17:34 --> 01:17:39

repetition of that? So let me start by asking somebody, what do

01:17:39 --> 01:17:43

you think of this concept that there needs to be a month, like

01:17:43 --> 01:17:47

human psychology operates this way, where going forward, we'll

01:17:47 --> 01:17:51

never forget this, we'll never forget all the other things that

01:17:51 --> 01:17:55

led up to it. And schools, we should push it, it should be

01:17:55 --> 01:17:58

pushed in public schools. It should be pushed in Islamic

01:17:58 --> 01:18:03

schools, and every Muslim should give Yeah, give life to the story

01:18:03 --> 01:18:07

and retell the story right? In this month, whatever month that is

01:18:07 --> 01:18:11

really the darkest day where this happened. What do you think of

01:18:11 --> 01:18:12

that idea? Summer?

01:18:14 --> 01:18:20

I mean, there's a lot of weight to it. I think the are constant

01:18:20 --> 01:18:26

retelling and re emphasizing of this erasure of Palestinians is, I

01:18:26 --> 01:18:30

mean, this is what kind of keeps this movement alive. I think.

01:18:32 --> 01:18:35

One time me and David, were discussing this idea of

01:18:36 --> 01:18:40

we cannot forget, I mean, we were just discussing, this is something

01:18:40 --> 01:18:45

we've we've mentioned, time and time again, in like our doors and

01:18:45 --> 01:18:48

just repeatedly just in our discussions, and Metallica is at

01:18:48 --> 01:18:53

the encampment, which is that we need to make sure that we do not

01:18:53 --> 01:18:57

forget the pain that is being experienced by the Palestinians.

01:18:57 --> 01:19:02

It's not like this is something that goes away their wounds and

01:19:02 --> 01:19:06

wounds can heal, but kind of forgetting the pain that brought

01:19:06 --> 01:19:09

about those wounds is is what

01:19:10 --> 01:19:14

kind of allows you to get hurt again. And so the idea of

01:19:14 --> 01:19:17

constantly, like, reminding ourselves of these stories is

01:19:17 --> 01:19:22

important. As for like, you know, like a month in particular, I

01:19:22 --> 01:19:23

always worry about

01:19:24 --> 01:19:28

like, for example, if you look at like Martin Luther King Day, like,

01:19:28 --> 01:19:32

how many people are like truly honoring the legacy of Martin

01:19:32 --> 01:19:35

Luther King, like we have it as like a federal holiday, but at the

01:19:35 --> 01:19:39

same time we see like a pretty wild suppression of, you know,

01:19:39 --> 01:19:43

student protests by our own government, and like people trying

01:19:43 --> 01:19:46

to pass bills and all of this so so I mean, there's not like a

01:19:48 --> 01:19:51

I wouldn't say that, you know, officially declaring it at a

01:19:51 --> 01:19:53

certain time is necessarily going to

01:19:56 --> 01:19:59

solve like this, this or solve this. I do that

01:20:00 --> 01:20:05

issue of storytelling. But I think the sentiment of like we need to

01:20:05 --> 01:20:09

be regularly reminding ourselves of this is is very important. And

01:20:09 --> 01:20:13

I mean, it's something that we already do in many ways. Islam is

01:20:13 --> 01:20:16

a tradition that that I mean, in many ways, we are telling the same

01:20:16 --> 01:20:20

stories over and over again, and extracting more and more lessons

01:20:20 --> 01:20:23

from them every time and applying those to the modern day. Like

01:20:23 --> 01:20:27

that. That is that is, you know, the essence of our tradition is

01:20:27 --> 01:20:31

retelling these stories that are in the Quran and the Sunnah and of

01:20:31 --> 01:20:33

like the righteous predecessors.

01:20:35 --> 01:20:39

Another thing if any of you are in the legal fields, wouldn't do a

01:20:39 --> 01:20:44

lot of Palestinians qualify for legit CSE.

01:20:47 --> 01:20:48

political asylum?

01:20:52 --> 01:20:57

And if so, I mean, political sign being fought right. And you be in

01:20:57 --> 01:20:58

danger by your own government?

01:21:00 --> 01:21:03

Wouldn't there? Wouldn't that be an action that people could take

01:21:04 --> 01:21:08

is helping them apply for political asylum? Takes a lot of

01:21:08 --> 01:21:09

effort for sure.

01:21:10 --> 01:21:14

But is it a valid idea? Is it a crazy idea? Let's go over now to

01:21:17 --> 01:21:20

think okay, I honestly I think David is very well equipped to

01:21:20 --> 01:21:23

answer this question. of legal field some, okay.

01:21:24 --> 01:21:27

Yeah, I mean, I don't know the exact legal particulars. But yeah,

01:21:27 --> 01:21:28

I'm technically headed off to law school.

01:21:29 --> 01:21:33

But I think there definitely are like amazing organizations that

01:21:33 --> 01:21:36

are sort of doing work to try and support Palestinian rights, like

01:21:36 --> 01:21:39

through the US legal system. I know Palestine legal is one

01:21:39 --> 01:21:42

example. Other examples are like the Center for Constitutional

01:21:42 --> 01:21:45

Rights and like care, sort of supporting activists like in the

01:21:45 --> 01:21:49

US doing this work. So there's certainly is like a degree of

01:21:49 --> 01:21:54

like, legal maneuvering to be done. But I think also, what's

01:21:54 --> 01:21:55

sort of interesting.

01:21:56 --> 01:21:59

This idea of like, for a lot of Palestinians, I think they

01:21:59 --> 01:22:02

wouldn't want to sort of leave their land. And I think that's

01:22:02 --> 01:22:05

sort of always like, a complicated question is like, how do we sort

01:22:05 --> 01:22:09

of, you know, work from over here, but still center, like what

01:22:09 --> 01:22:11

Palestinians want, and like, what they're sort of looking for in

01:22:11 --> 01:22:14

their liberation movement. So I think, you know, the idea of sort

01:22:14 --> 01:22:18

of like asylum or like, leaving for a lot of Palestinians is like,

01:22:18 --> 01:22:22

something that they just like, completely reject. And I think,

01:22:22 --> 01:22:24

you know, those sort of conversations about like diaspora

01:22:24 --> 01:22:26

and egg style have been playing out among Palestinians since the

01:22:26 --> 01:22:29

Nakba. And that sort of conversation feels like it's

01:22:29 --> 01:22:32

internal to their community, as opposed to something that we as

01:22:32 --> 01:22:34

activist would decide, I think we are sort of role is to like,

01:22:34 --> 01:22:38

support what they think is best for the future of their people.

01:22:39 --> 01:22:42

No, we definitely will won't be deciding for them or even

01:22:42 --> 01:22:47

suggesting it. But I can imagine that there are some who need to

01:22:47 --> 01:22:52

have a sit who want to move on. And we could, that option should

01:22:52 --> 01:22:56

be explored for them. And the fact that we have Palestinians already

01:22:56 --> 01:23:00

here, it would indicate that right? So PostNuke, by you saw on

01:23:00 --> 01:23:03

AJ plus one of our locals who you really got two miles from

01:23:03 --> 01:23:11

Princeton Dode, Assad had to deal with Assad was was profiled. And

01:23:11 --> 01:23:16

he's he has stories directly in the neck of other his uncle's were

01:23:16 --> 01:23:20

shot right in front of him. And his family was woken up in the

01:23:20 --> 01:23:24

middle of the night. And they all just left they just drove were

01:23:24 --> 01:23:29

driven. I believe he said west there were shooting from north,

01:23:29 --> 01:23:33

south and east. So that forced him to go west. But if

01:23:34 --> 01:23:37

you're right 100%, that it's really their choice, and that a

01:23:37 --> 01:23:41

lot of them feel that leaving is a capitulation, or that leaving is

01:23:42 --> 01:23:46

almost sort of doing exactly what Israel wants. And we actually saw

01:23:46 --> 01:23:50

this, if you remember, pretty early on, all of a sudden one of

01:23:50 --> 01:23:52

the talking points was

01:23:53 --> 01:23:57

we'll we'll take Palestinians and we'll take people from Gaza in and

01:23:57 --> 01:24:00

it was like the right wingers were saying this and it was like hold

01:24:00 --> 01:24:03

on a second. Why are you saying this? You're saying this because

01:24:03 --> 01:24:06

that's what they want. They want them to be completely to leave,

01:24:06 --> 01:24:09

then there'll be no claim to the land afterwards.

01:24:10 --> 01:24:14

All right, let's now turn to closing remarks. Anything that you

01:24:14 --> 01:24:15

have want to say

01:24:16 --> 01:24:19

Bob Jemma, anything that is related or tangentially related to

01:24:19 --> 01:24:22

what you discussed, that you feel that you want listeners to hear?

01:24:22 --> 01:24:24

Let's go down with some meat and then go right around the clock

01:24:24 --> 01:24:24

again.

01:24:27 --> 01:24:31

Yeah, I wanted to kind of go back to one of the questions you asked

01:24:31 --> 01:24:36

about what can the average person do? So I've been we've been

01:24:36 --> 01:24:38

talking about how this kind of like normalization that's been

01:24:38 --> 01:24:39

occurring.

01:24:40 --> 01:24:44

And part of that that normalization is hand in hand with

01:24:44 --> 01:24:48

kind of the nature of the injustice increasing. So really,

01:24:48 --> 01:24:52

what's happening is the material stakes are speaking out against

01:24:52 --> 01:24:57

injustice are decreasing, and the spiritual stake is becoming

01:24:57 --> 01:24:58

higher.

01:24:59 --> 01:25:00

Meaning like you're

01:25:00 --> 01:25:04

The risk that you put yourself out is less. And the importance of it

01:25:04 --> 01:25:08

is greater than any time before. And so I think that kind of

01:25:08 --> 01:25:11

rebalancing of the equation should prompt everybody to think that

01:25:11 --> 01:25:13

whatever I've been doing so far,

01:25:14 --> 01:25:16

I need to be doing more than that now.

01:25:18 --> 01:25:21

And, I mean, that's going to look different for every person. But I

01:25:21 --> 01:25:27

think that is, like, ultimately, what this what the whole idea of

01:25:27 --> 01:25:32

normalization of this, of talking about this genocide, normalizing

01:25:32 --> 01:25:36

the ability to speak out against it. That is what it's for. It is

01:25:36 --> 01:25:39

for the people who felt like they couldn't do something before, to

01:25:40 --> 01:25:43

think again, what can I do now, now that I have this kind of

01:25:43 --> 01:25:48

greater opportunity, and a greater obligation to do so? And how can I

01:25:48 --> 01:25:53

like, factor that into to my life now? And so I think that's

01:25:54 --> 01:25:58

kind of the way people should be considering this, this equation.

01:25:59 --> 01:26:01

In terms of, you know, what can I be doing further?

01:26:03 --> 01:26:06

Yeah, I guess we'll leave it there. Very good. Very good. So in

01:26:06 --> 01:26:10

summary, everyone's got to increase their, their output of

01:26:10 --> 01:26:15

action. For this cause a little bit, whatever it is, whatever it

01:26:15 --> 01:26:17

was, you got to increase it, which mostly for most people with

01:26:17 --> 01:26:21

sentiment, only, just ideas, thoughts, maybe sympathies now,

01:26:21 --> 01:26:24

then we move to action. And it needs to be a habit.

01:26:25 --> 01:26:28

In order for things to really be big, they need to be habits and

01:26:28 --> 01:26:34

habits need to be small NS set times. Rather than free float. You

01:26:34 --> 01:26:37

guys know, like, how do you study it just free float study? No,

01:26:37 --> 01:26:40

there's got to be a time to study, there's got to be an amount to

01:26:40 --> 01:26:45

study. And it needs to become a routine. And that's how you build

01:26:45 --> 01:26:49

one layer over another. So those are my two cents on how to how to

01:26:49 --> 01:26:53

effect action, rather than just have the idea of action. But how

01:26:53 --> 01:26:57

do we make it actually happen? Let's go to and this how does

01:26:57 --> 01:27:01

Allah rejoice near to him? He doesn't say pray whenever you feel

01:27:01 --> 01:27:04

whenever you can't know, there's a set time for prayer. There's a

01:27:04 --> 01:27:09

window, right? And there's an amount to the hood for cars, no

01:27:09 --> 01:27:12

more than five no more, no, five, no three.

01:27:13 --> 01:27:17

Fasting, there's a time to fast. Okay, so let's go to Eric, what do

01:27:17 --> 01:27:20

you think? Any closing statements

01:27:21 --> 01:27:23

that you want the audience to hear?

01:27:24 --> 01:27:26

Yeah, I mean, I think I think the most important thing, I mean,

01:27:26 --> 01:27:29

there's so one was sort of what I alluded to earlier, this idea of

01:27:29 --> 01:27:31

like trying to really deeply reflect on like, what is the risk

01:27:31 --> 01:27:33

of the last ones has given me and how can I use that to surface

01:27:33 --> 01:27:36

cars. And other is, in order to do that, I think it's very important

01:27:36 --> 01:27:40

to empathize like strongly with the examples, or tradition is rich

01:27:40 --> 01:27:44

with in many senses, like the prophetic sort of Prophetic

01:27:44 --> 01:27:48

Mission is, is deeply related to the study of establishing justice

01:27:48 --> 01:27:52

and fighting facade corruption land. One of sort of the, the

01:27:52 --> 01:27:54

inspirations that I have, like for, you know, the hunger strike,

01:27:54 --> 01:27:57

and these protests in general is the example of most artists that

01:27:57 --> 01:27:59

I'm, you know, the door, I wouldn't be shot at slavery,

01:27:59 --> 01:28:02

right. So there are so many, so many of coalgaadi, like thinking

01:28:02 --> 01:28:06

about, like, how can I speak up and then also, this idea of like,

01:28:06 --> 01:28:09

reflecting on, you know, each of the each of the prophetic

01:28:09 --> 01:28:12

missions, they sort of leveraged the zeitgeist, right, like a

01:28:12 --> 01:28:15

spirit of the time, and they're sort of their miracles were

01:28:15 --> 01:28:17

related to this. You know, you have

01:28:19 --> 01:28:23

the Yeah, I mean, the Quran, like, sort of like time when, like

01:28:23 --> 01:28:26

language and poetry was really important. And you have, like, I

01:28:26 --> 01:28:29

said, I was like, sort of medicine and healing and these sorts of

01:28:29 --> 01:28:31

things. So thinking about what is the spirit of a time? What is the

01:28:31 --> 01:28:34

medium that people are listening to? And then thinking about, like,

01:28:34 --> 01:28:38

how can we sort of spread the message of truth and justice,

01:28:38 --> 01:28:40

through the medium of the time not trying to like,

01:28:41 --> 01:28:44

yeah, so sort of just reflecting on that. But basically, just

01:28:44 --> 01:28:47

turning to the examples that are in our tradition, which is rich

01:28:47 --> 01:28:50

with examples of what it looks like to stand up for justice.

01:28:51 --> 01:28:55

That's a great point, the medium of, of our time, or shorts,

01:28:55 --> 01:28:59

really, if that's what you meant by medium, like the physical

01:28:59 --> 01:29:03

medium that people use are 32nd little clips, and those are that's

01:29:03 --> 01:29:07

why propaganda, unco had a couple of those. They were fire. I mean,

01:29:07 --> 01:29:11

people don't really have time for our long lecture. But clips are

01:29:11 --> 01:29:14

really the one of the mediums and where our youth today if you want

01:29:14 --> 01:29:18

the future go where the youth are. And there was one scholar who was

01:29:18 --> 01:29:22

asked, Why doesn't he use technology that Allah gave him why

01:29:22 --> 01:29:27

he's not on social media, etc. He said I, I fear, to do something

01:29:27 --> 01:29:31

that none of my teachers had precedent in doing and could mess

01:29:31 --> 01:29:35

it up. So then they asked his colleague who is on every media

01:29:36 --> 01:29:41

medium, and he answered and said that I fear that Allah will say,

01:29:42 --> 01:29:45

I gave you all these opportunities, and you never took

01:29:45 --> 01:29:49

them. Right. So the other side's reaching everybody through far

01:29:49 --> 01:29:53

bigger medium that will ever have through Hollywood every month. Now

01:29:53 --> 01:29:56

there's another holocaust movie coming out to make sure they drill

01:29:56 --> 01:29:59

it in our heads and remind us of the sympathy factor.

01:30:00 --> 01:30:05

And I'm sure that we're going to start seeing in the coming year in

01:30:05 --> 01:30:10

two years, all the documentaries. And I think that the, the more

01:30:10 --> 01:30:15

simple laptop based documentaries that are going to come out with

01:30:15 --> 01:30:19

all the footage from Gaza are going to be far more powerful

01:30:19 --> 01:30:22

because there'll be grassroots, right documentaries, and that'll

01:30:22 --> 01:30:25

be that's great work for anyone who is in media to start putting

01:30:25 --> 01:30:29

together these documentaries. And a good documentarian could really

01:30:29 --> 01:30:34

change a lot of perception and reach a lot of people. All right,

01:30:34 --> 01:30:36

very good. So, David, final word.

01:30:38 --> 01:30:40

Yeah, I mean, it's very connected to what you just mentioned, like

01:30:40 --> 01:30:42

this idea of documentary. And I think, you know, also just going

01:30:42 --> 01:30:46

back to the idea of like, past, like a Palestinian month, or sort

01:30:46 --> 01:30:48

of, you know, what it means to sort of memorialize the Nakba, I

01:30:48 --> 01:30:50

think, something as Samir mentioned, something that we've

01:30:50 --> 01:30:53

been thinking a lot about is the idea of memory. You know, those

01:30:53 --> 01:30:56

because like remembrance is obviously such a central part of

01:30:56 --> 01:30:59

the Islamic tradition. And I think when it comes to how we think

01:30:59 --> 01:31:03

about what we're seeing in terms of people being martyred, you

01:31:03 --> 01:31:06

know, a sort of crucial element of like martyrdom and the Islamic

01:31:06 --> 01:31:08

tradition, is that the sort of, you know, the root word of

01:31:08 --> 01:31:11

Shaheed, both is martyr, but also witness. So you know, Islamic

01:31:11 --> 01:31:13

thinkers have talked about how there's this connection between

01:31:13 --> 01:31:16

the idea of martyrdom and being a witness to the truth, or sort of,

01:31:16 --> 01:31:19

you know, your life having this transcendent quality, where it's

01:31:19 --> 01:31:22

not just about your individual death, your death becomes about

01:31:22 --> 01:31:25

this sort of collective process of memory and, you know, striving for

01:31:25 --> 01:31:28

justice. And so I think that's sort of a crucial thing that we

01:31:28 --> 01:31:30

need to be thinking about is like, how will we sort of honor the

01:31:30 --> 01:31:33

sacrifices of our martyrs? How will we sort of honor their

01:31:33 --> 01:31:35

memories? I think that's a crucial thing.

01:31:36 --> 01:31:39

And what will that will take from us, as you mentioned, is a sort of

01:31:39 --> 01:31:42

a habit of, you know, remembering the pain of the people of

01:31:42 --> 01:31:45

Palestine, and sort of feeling that pain as we're commanded to

01:31:45 --> 01:31:46

feel the pain of the Ummah

01:31:47 --> 01:31:51

and sort of sitting with those negative feelings, and realizing

01:31:51 --> 01:31:53

that we're given those negative feelings for a specific reason

01:31:53 --> 01:31:56

that there's sort of a power to morning, there's a power to grief.

01:31:56 --> 01:31:58

And we see this in our tradition, right? Like, there's beautiful

01:31:58 --> 01:32:01

examples of like the prophesy stem like morning, Heidi's are mourning

01:32:01 --> 01:32:05

the loss of his Tony Brahim. So we can sort of learn from this idea

01:32:05 --> 01:32:09

of like being motivated by grief, I think, and sort of sitting with

01:32:09 --> 01:32:12

the memories of what's happening. And allowing that to sort of, you

01:32:12 --> 01:32:15

know, compel us to be better servants of Allah and better

01:32:15 --> 01:32:18

servants striving for justice, I think that would be the sort of

01:32:18 --> 01:32:21

number one theme I emphasize is like, we need to be sort of

01:32:21 --> 01:32:24

thinking about the negative feelings as being given to us for

01:32:24 --> 01:32:28

a reason to sort of motivate us to do more. That's a that's a great

01:32:29 --> 01:32:34

sentiment. And also, these martyrs, they, they the one of the

01:32:34 --> 01:32:37

best ways to honor their, their, their sacrifice.

01:32:39 --> 01:32:45

They left loved ones who can tell their story. So I'm within one to

01:32:45 --> 01:32:49

two years these when if, if, and hopefully things settle, who knows

01:32:49 --> 01:32:53

how they'll settle down, but people can no interact with them,

01:32:54 --> 01:32:56

and get the story of what happened to your mother?

01:32:58 --> 01:33:01

What was the last day like with your mother? Like, how did she

01:33:01 --> 01:33:04

die? Who did she save? And you're gonna hear stories that are just

01:33:04 --> 01:33:07

amazing. And we see are we ever because we already are seeing

01:33:07 --> 01:33:12

them. And this is without any organized attempt. And I think a

01:33:12 --> 01:33:15

lot of people will fund these documentaries. If there's a good

01:33:15 --> 01:33:20

documentarian to go out there spend a year, you know, spend a

01:33:20 --> 01:33:24

year researching interviewing people, putting together the story

01:33:24 --> 01:33:29

of so many people who have died, that hopefully, they can die

01:33:29 --> 01:33:32

without their story of going untold. That will have died,

01:33:33 --> 01:33:36

hopefully millions upon millions upon millions will hear the

01:33:36 --> 01:33:40

narration about how they died, who they were saving, how they were

01:33:40 --> 01:33:45

living. Who were they, like they have we have to put a picture to

01:33:45 --> 01:33:48

like you someone said one of you said that AIPAC is always telling

01:33:48 --> 01:33:53

the story. Right? Like who are the people of Gaza? These were regular

01:33:53 --> 01:33:56

people who went shopping, who played soccer, who watched movies,

01:33:56 --> 01:34:01

who, who, who raised families, like those stories have to be told

01:34:01 --> 01:34:05

and hopefully going forward. You know, we've talked about a lot of

01:34:05 --> 01:34:08

different things that can be done to continue this juice to keep

01:34:08 --> 01:34:12

this machine oiled. So that the next time something big happens,

01:34:13 --> 01:34:16

we have momentum and we're not flat footed, I think on October 7,

01:34:16 --> 01:34:20

all of us were flat footed. Alright. You know, a lot of us

01:34:20 --> 01:34:22

were flat, no one expected that this is going to we're going to be

01:34:22 --> 01:34:26

called to talk about this to do something to do anything. So

01:34:26 --> 01:34:30

hopefully the next time around, that we have to defend and speak

01:34:30 --> 01:34:35

out. You know, we'll have made a runway, these documentaries former

01:34:35 --> 01:34:39

runway, these encampments are forming a runway where people now

01:34:39 --> 01:34:42

have a memory. People now have a precedent you got you guys have

01:34:42 --> 01:34:45

set a precedent of this is what works, this is how to do it. We've

01:34:45 --> 01:34:49

done it before there's like a muscle memory to it now. So may

01:34:49 --> 01:34:53

Allah reward all your work and continued inspiring you with your

01:34:53 --> 01:34:56

sacrifice and all of those colleagues of yours. And

01:34:57 --> 01:34:59

classmates that helped you and all those around the

01:35:00 --> 01:35:04

The entire country, the university entire country that did this, and

01:35:04 --> 01:35:06

there were some notable universities that made a lot of

01:35:06 --> 01:35:10

headlines. And there were some that put probably put in tons of

01:35:10 --> 01:35:11

work without

01:35:12 --> 01:35:17

getting any headlines. So But nonetheless, Allah sees, and we

01:35:17 --> 01:35:20

ask Allah to Allah to give you success in the future. Thank you

01:35:20 --> 01:35:22

guys so much for coming on. Anytime that you want to come on

01:35:22 --> 01:35:25

that you want to share something, you have a development, you have

01:35:25 --> 01:35:29

an idea, you just contact Omar and inshallah I'd love to have you

01:35:29 --> 01:35:29

guys back on.

01:35:31 --> 01:35:35

Alright, just a couple. Thank you all very much. Thank you for

01:35:35 --> 01:35:35

having us.

01:35:37 --> 01:35:39

times, I'm just like, well up here.

01:35:40 --> 01:35:44

There we have a folks we have to keep it up. And we need this the

01:35:44 --> 01:35:49

story of the neck but should be told religiously. When I say

01:35:49 --> 01:35:51

religiously, I mean, like, as a witness.

01:35:52 --> 01:35:55

We know how to get things done in our religion, because we have the

01:35:55 --> 01:35:58

concept of ODOT. start very small.

01:35:59 --> 01:36:00

But hit it every day.

01:36:01 --> 01:36:04

The way to do something that you do every morning, every evening,

01:36:05 --> 01:36:09

in addition to your prayer, your five prayers, it keeps you

01:36:09 --> 01:36:15

remembering Allah, constantly nonstop. But it's so small, that

01:36:15 --> 01:36:19

you can't forget it, you can't miss it. So short five minutes

01:36:19 --> 01:36:19

would.

01:36:20 --> 01:36:24

So what our path has taught us our spiritual path has taught us is

01:36:24 --> 01:36:29

how to effect a change in yourself. And effective change may

01:36:29 --> 01:36:33

start off as a big momentous moment, like the death of someone

01:36:33 --> 01:36:39

changed you. loss of a job change you terrible sickness change. But

01:36:39 --> 01:36:43

after that, you don't want to fall down again, you need something to

01:36:43 --> 01:36:47

keep little bits of drop of oil, drop a motor oil to keep that

01:36:47 --> 01:36:51

motor going to keep that engine running. And that's really what we

01:36:51 --> 01:36:52

need here.

01:36:54 --> 01:36:59

Alright, so that concludes that segment. Let us now turn to the

01:36:59 --> 01:37:05

q&a for today that today's the first stream of the week. So we

01:37:05 --> 01:37:09

want to have a q&a. We have a few minutes for a q&a. All right,

01:37:09 --> 01:37:10

let's let's go Bismillah.

01:37:12 --> 01:37:15

Jake Branca tell us refutation of the Russia IRA. You know how many

01:37:15 --> 01:37:18

people have refuted the shadow or attempted to refute the shadow

01:37:18 --> 01:37:22

before. And Jake is a colleague, I mean, I just texted him yesterday

01:37:22 --> 01:37:26

sent me his video on check them Ron Hussein. He texted it to me.

01:37:26 --> 01:37:30

And we talked about it. And I agreed with him in terms of of

01:37:30 --> 01:37:36

that and from the differences of opinion, is whether or not

01:37:36 --> 01:37:39

somebody can say someone is a candidate and the Maliki school,

01:37:40 --> 01:37:46

there is a statement that if someone openly makes a does Cofer

01:37:46 --> 01:37:51

in front of you, then what you may do is say that this person is now

01:37:51 --> 01:37:55

a Catholic, what you may not do is execute the Hadoop upon him.

01:37:55 --> 01:37:58

That's what you may not do. I believe in the Hanafi school is

01:37:58 --> 01:38:02

slightly different, that you cannot even say that this person

01:38:02 --> 01:38:05

has a calf but only a judge can do that. Because he would then

01:38:05 --> 01:38:09

question he would then ask where the conditions met? Did he say it

01:38:09 --> 01:38:13

intentionally? Did he do that? This than the other? So FYI, there

01:38:13 --> 01:38:16

are two opinions on this. Yeah, and it let's be realistic. If you

01:38:16 --> 01:38:20

see a guy go up to the Buddha or to some Hindu idol, and prostrate

01:38:20 --> 01:38:21

himself,

01:38:22 --> 01:38:26

are we going to say no, we have to make to walk off and leave it to a

01:38:26 --> 01:38:28

college or is it right? It's right in front of you. Whatever, if he

01:38:28 --> 01:38:31

says something? What if the person literally right in front of you

01:38:31 --> 01:38:34

says that's not necessarily to believe in the Prophet peace be

01:38:34 --> 01:38:38

upon him? Are we going to say well, no, he's still a Muslim. And

01:38:38 --> 01:38:43

we have to make to walk off and only a judge can do that. So I'll

01:38:43 --> 01:38:44

get you the direct

01:38:45 --> 01:38:49

quote on that, but, but I am telling you that this was

01:38:49 --> 01:38:54

discussed by myself and some other students of knowledge with automat

01:38:54 --> 01:38:59

who said yes, if it is sorry, right in front of you, then what

01:38:59 --> 01:39:04

you may not do is execute anything. There are there are

01:39:04 --> 01:39:09

loathsome by Sharia that would occur. For example, this person's

01:39:09 --> 01:39:11

marriage will be nullified right on the spot.

01:39:13 --> 01:39:16

The inheritance will be not so there that you may not you have no

01:39:16 --> 01:39:19

power to do anything like that. Of course the person would have is to

01:39:19 --> 01:39:21

tell you, you can kidnap the person, put them in a basement for

01:39:21 --> 01:39:25

three days and lock him up and give him a stab of three days.

01:39:25 --> 01:39:27

Those things you cannot do.

01:39:28 --> 01:39:28

But

01:39:30 --> 01:39:32

in any event, it's not an it's not something that anyone should run

01:39:32 --> 01:39:35

around doing. But there are some budwood yet to Dean

01:39:37 --> 01:39:41

Alma alumina Dean Badulla does not take on him to see that this

01:39:41 --> 01:39:43

person has contradicted them.

01:39:46 --> 01:39:49

But anyway, I didn't see his refutation of the Ashara

01:39:51 --> 01:39:54

sends it over. Do you know what he's talking about? This person is

01:39:54 --> 01:39:59

the questioner is saying that. The old I think older? Yeah, I mean,

01:39:59 --> 01:40:00

it's all

01:40:00 --> 01:40:03

Okay, so it's nothing recent. But I mean, that's what's going to be

01:40:03 --> 01:40:06

happening. That's what they do all day long and we do the opposite

01:40:06 --> 01:40:10

all day long. But anyway, I don't think there's much value in going

01:40:10 --> 01:40:14

too much into these things like we already go a lot into this this

01:40:14 --> 01:40:19

podcast is live stream is like a and this organization. It promotes

01:40:19 --> 01:40:22

the SVOD updated approach to the Metro DDR, plida as they say in

01:40:22 --> 01:40:23

Arabic, like

01:40:24 --> 01:40:28

a purist, but the humbly update is also a valid data which we would

01:40:28 --> 01:40:33

accept and we have lessons on it. If you want lessons on the hand

01:40:33 --> 01:40:40

bediako Ada 12 lessons in Hanbury Arcada go to ArcView dot orgy and

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we have it with Shift use FM and Sadhak that that we promote we

01:40:43 --> 01:40:47

don't promote the Tamia nakida we promote the humbly athlete and

01:40:48 --> 01:40:49

there are differences

01:40:50 --> 01:40:54

big differences according to shift use has been cited in those

01:40:54 --> 01:40:57

lessons which I attended that class listen to the whole thing.

01:40:58 --> 01:40:59

Intro to humbly awkward.

01:41:01 --> 01:41:05

Really, there is a point of time where it comes that all of these

01:41:05 --> 01:41:08

debates, it make no one buddy bliss happy. It's one thing to

01:41:08 --> 01:41:12

talk about to to correct what's wrong. But at some point, we're

01:41:12 --> 01:41:16

making a bliss happy with this. Okay? Because

01:41:21 --> 01:41:24

it's taken us away from other things that are far more

01:41:24 --> 01:41:28

important. I would say far more practically imperative. They're

01:41:28 --> 01:41:32

happening right in front of us, whereas these are ideas. And yes,

01:41:32 --> 01:41:35

you have to correct the ideas but we also have to look at what's

01:41:35 --> 01:41:38

happening right in front of us. There are people that are losing

01:41:38 --> 01:41:42

their dean for base very much, much simpler things like going to

01:41:42 --> 01:41:44

the prom and Prom weekend.

01:41:45 --> 01:41:47

Did you go to the prom and Prom weekend?

01:41:48 --> 01:41:49

Yeah.

01:41:50 --> 01:41:52

Good for you. Okay.

01:41:55 --> 01:41:58

Be dodgy is ethically awkward outside so knowledgeable? Haven't

01:41:58 --> 01:42:02

very awkward, don't say ethically is that there is a broad scope.

01:42:02 --> 01:42:04

Which Which one are you talking about?

01:42:06 --> 01:42:08

So hadn't belly up either no one would ever say

01:42:09 --> 01:42:11

that it's outside of Edison.

01:42:13 --> 01:42:17

Is it haram to buy an electric vehicle given the unethical

01:42:17 --> 01:42:22

environmental environmental implications? I'm sorry, I'm not

01:42:22 --> 01:42:27

familiar with the environmental and ethical implications of the

01:42:27 --> 01:42:31

electric vehicle, the Eevee industry. So I'm not the right

01:42:31 --> 01:42:35

person to ask because I'm not familiar with the implications on

01:42:35 --> 01:42:41

that. I mean, what about a regular gas automobile? That that puts up

01:42:42 --> 01:42:44

things into the environment that are not good for the environment,

01:42:44 --> 01:42:49

that's probably would be even worse for the environment.

01:42:51 --> 01:42:56

What about guard garments below the ankles, the garment below the

01:42:56 --> 01:43:00

ankle? If we notice that the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa

01:43:00 --> 01:43:04

sallam said whoever drags his is our to capoeira.

01:43:06 --> 01:43:09

That's the condition there that you are dragging or lengthening

01:43:09 --> 01:43:13

your is our out of arrogance, meaning just like if you see the

01:43:13 --> 01:43:15

old Roman movies,

01:43:16 --> 01:43:19

I'm going to want to pull up one of these pictures the old Roman

01:43:19 --> 01:43:23

senator or something like that. And they would were a big is a big

01:43:23 --> 01:43:24

foe.

01:43:25 --> 01:43:26

And it would drag

01:43:27 --> 01:43:32

it would drag and that was a sign of wealth and a sign of grandeur

01:43:32 --> 01:43:34

that you would drag your job.

01:43:35 --> 01:43:39

You have see if the one that where they drag it. Like the old kings.

01:43:39 --> 01:43:43

Yeah, something like that. But is there one that drags even more so

01:43:43 --> 01:43:47

that is out of Kibera than yes, that's that is sinful.

01:43:48 --> 01:43:52

That is sinful. But if you're talking about the pants of today,

01:43:53 --> 01:43:55

where everyone wears, it's

01:43:56 --> 01:44:00

even past the ankle, but there is no cover sought. It's just the art

01:44:00 --> 01:44:06

of of how these pants are worn. Then the application the condition

01:44:06 --> 01:44:06

didn't apply to you.

01:44:08 --> 01:44:12

Or another example if it's you bought it, you purchased it it was

01:44:12 --> 01:44:16

large and didn't get a chance to cut it. For example.

01:44:18 --> 01:44:22

The condition doesn't apply save a buck listen to of course we know

01:44:22 --> 01:44:25

that narration in which he asked the messenger of allah sallallahu

01:44:25 --> 01:44:29

alayhi wa salam if it applies to him, he said that due to his

01:44:29 --> 01:44:35

thickness that is our goes down a bit from his waist and passes his

01:44:35 --> 01:44:38

ankle the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam said that you do

01:44:38 --> 01:44:43

not do it intending to cover so the condition here is with the

01:44:43 --> 01:44:46

intent of to cover you see what's going to happen is this I'm going

01:44:46 --> 01:44:51

to tell you what cost is going to clip that. It's gonna go up. Then

01:44:51 --> 01:44:55

everyone's gonna say, people are dying and guys and you're talking

01:44:55 --> 01:44:59

about the pants. Listen, it's open QA walk us clip this part two,

01:44:59 --> 01:45:00

it's open.

01:45:00 --> 01:45:03

QA people can ask any questions they want. And I'm able to answer

01:45:03 --> 01:45:08

them if I know the answer. So it's not that we're promoting these

01:45:08 --> 01:45:11

subjects as this is what we're going to set the talk as today.

01:45:11 --> 01:45:16

But it's open QA, so don't come and write a comment. That is so

01:45:16 --> 01:45:20

out of touch with what we're doing here and say people are dying in

01:45:20 --> 01:45:22

Gaza, but you're talking about pence. I'm talking about what the

01:45:22 --> 01:45:27

people are asking in this segment, because it's called Open QA.

01:45:32 --> 01:45:37

Thoughts of being looked down upon and thinking worse. The worst of

01:45:37 --> 01:45:41

others is a question you're How do I deal with such thoughts? To be

01:45:41 --> 01:45:45

honest with you, the human being is somebody is a creature that

01:45:47 --> 01:45:48

hey, give me my standard.

01:45:50 --> 01:45:52

The stent, the iPad standard, it's somewhere here.

01:45:53 --> 01:45:55

The human being someone who

01:45:58 --> 01:46:00

Oh, there it is. Thank you. Actually, don't get up as

01:46:00 --> 01:46:01

someone's gonna fall if you get up.

01:46:04 --> 01:46:05

Someone's gonna fall cameras gonna tip.

01:46:06 --> 01:46:07

something's gonna happen

01:46:13 --> 01:46:18

if you're somebody who's who, who's very upset that you get

01:46:18 --> 01:46:23

these feelings of comparison all the time, this is a disease that I

01:46:23 --> 01:46:25

think everybody suffers to a degree.

01:46:26 --> 01:46:28

Everyone suffers to a degree.

01:46:30 --> 01:46:34

And it's a terrible, terrible feeling in your heart. Well,

01:46:34 --> 01:46:37

there's one simple solution to that decrease your exposure to

01:46:37 --> 01:46:42

created beings to humans. You can get that feeling from scrolling.

01:46:44 --> 01:46:46

Oh my god, she did this. Oh my gosh, she accomplished that. Oh my

01:46:46 --> 01:46:49

gosh, that's, that's who he's marrying. Oh my gosh, this, that

01:46:49 --> 01:46:49

and the other.

01:46:52 --> 01:46:57

You start making so feel down. You mix with people too much. You will

01:46:57 --> 01:47:03

feel down. Guaranteed. The solution is a little bit of Ozuna

01:47:03 --> 01:47:07

and Hello. So it's up to you to do a good deed. Can you see why this

01:47:07 --> 01:47:10

thing is not producing any colder? What is going on here? It's not

01:47:10 --> 01:47:13

that hot that the AC is not working. Come around my face.

01:47:13 --> 01:47:15

Yeah, we're all sweating here is hot.

01:47:18 --> 01:47:22

The cure is a little bit more OSLA on it.

01:47:23 --> 01:47:25

If that's what's gonna cure your heart

01:47:29 --> 01:47:33

and a little bit more, it is coming out cold. So just yeah,

01:47:33 --> 01:47:37

just push the push the the curtains probably is blocking it.

01:47:38 --> 01:47:44

A little bit more remembrance of Allah being out in nature, being

01:47:44 --> 01:47:45

all alone

01:47:46 --> 01:47:50

in nature, and now the spring and summers coming. You will feel

01:47:50 --> 01:47:50

better.

01:47:51 --> 01:47:56

I think that being in a home alone, it's claustrophobic. This

01:47:56 --> 01:47:59

reason why Allah made us feel that way. So being out in nature is far

01:47:59 --> 01:48:01

better. And

01:48:03 --> 01:48:09

remembering Allah, remembering death, all these are the cures for

01:48:09 --> 01:48:16

that terrible, terrible feeling of comparison itis. It's a terrible,

01:48:16 --> 01:48:19

terrible disease that comes with like a flu of the heart. It knocks

01:48:19 --> 01:48:23

you out. You can't act you can't do anything. You feel so

01:48:23 --> 01:48:26

miserable. You're always sad. You have a great blessing in front of

01:48:26 --> 01:48:27

you but you can't be happy with it

01:48:32 --> 01:48:34

I think that's a good clip for what costume?

01:48:35 --> 01:48:38

Comparison itis terrible disease.

01:48:40 --> 01:48:43

book recommendation in Spanish for a new Muslim.

01:48:44 --> 01:48:47

We should know this. We have Spanish tower going on here. But

01:48:48 --> 01:48:50

I can't tell you off the top of my head.

01:48:51 --> 01:48:53

What there is we'll have to find out and get you the answer to

01:48:53 --> 01:48:54

that.

01:48:58 --> 01:49:01

What should you look for when searching for a moto B? Firstly,

01:49:01 --> 01:49:05

what isn't? what a what a B. You're talking about someone we

01:49:05 --> 01:49:09

have a very intimate relationship to with who guides you in the path

01:49:09 --> 01:49:12

of Islam not only teaches you Sharia,

01:49:13 --> 01:49:17

but more guides your heart. Do this thicker do this thicker next

01:49:18 --> 01:49:20

and teaches you matters of the heart you look for somebody very

01:49:20 --> 01:49:26

simple, who is effective in changing you and whose teachings

01:49:26 --> 01:49:29

are in line with the Sunnah and Gemma, see how simple that is? It

01:49:29 --> 01:49:31

was actually set up that Hakim Murad, who answered that question

01:49:31 --> 01:49:34

a long time ago. He said that

01:49:35 --> 01:49:41

the sign of a true path and a true guide. He affects you. You feel

01:49:41 --> 01:49:42

change.

01:49:44 --> 01:49:45

And you may actually end up moving on.

01:49:48 --> 01:49:51

For example, your first teacher in Islam will affect you. He's

01:49:51 --> 01:49:56

bringing you so many new ideas, so many new things. Then you may

01:49:56 --> 01:50:00

squeeze him like a sponge. I've taken everything

01:50:00 --> 01:50:00

from him

01:50:01 --> 01:50:05

and I'm I've heard it all before I have not moved anymore. Hello, you

01:50:05 --> 01:50:10

graduated that's called graduation from that shake. You don't discard

01:50:10 --> 01:50:11

him you know you owe him

01:50:12 --> 01:50:16

your gratitude for life, man, Alemany hydrophones so to level up

01:50:16 --> 01:50:20

the st. Olive Nebuta job. And you know, we know that many things are

01:50:20 --> 01:50:23

attributed to him. We don't know what's what is what? So I'm just

01:50:23 --> 01:50:26

saying that this is a well known saying it's attributed to say 90

01:50:26 --> 01:50:29

Who knows what's true? You say that he has so many things

01:50:29 --> 01:50:31

attributed to him and Allah knows best, what's true and what's not.

01:50:33 --> 01:50:38

But it said, Whoever teaches me a letter I become a slave to him. So

01:50:38 --> 01:50:41

we always have to think we don't we are not people who throw our

01:50:41 --> 01:50:45

old shoe in the garbage. No, we always honor them. Allah put them

01:50:45 --> 01:50:48

at the level that they teach the beginners, let's say, then you're

01:50:48 --> 01:50:51

gonna move on to someone else. He inspires you. He moves your heart

01:50:51 --> 01:50:55

to get close to Allah and forget about distraction. It's not that

01:50:55 --> 01:50:58

you fight distraction, you forget about it. You are so enraptured

01:50:58 --> 01:50:59

with his teachings.

01:51:00 --> 01:51:03

But you have to make sure the teaching is sound too. So you take

01:51:03 --> 01:51:06

the knowledge that you do know. And you compare it to the parent

01:51:06 --> 01:51:09

to what he's saying, Is he saying from the book, and the Sunnah, and

01:51:09 --> 01:51:10

the Sharia and the mother,

01:51:11 --> 01:51:15

then yes, and he's moving my heart. And I feel like I'm getting

01:51:15 --> 01:51:18

better than yes, you tick off those two boxes, follow them,

01:51:18 --> 01:51:21

follow that person, focus. Don't let yourself be distracted,

01:51:21 --> 01:51:24

shopping around, focus on that person benefit, squeeze it all

01:51:24 --> 01:51:25

out.

01:51:26 --> 01:51:30

And you may reach a shift that you will never keep. And those are the

01:51:30 --> 01:51:34

real shoe. The terminal see you we call that terminal, you never will

01:51:34 --> 01:51:38

find you'll never pass him. You will never say I squeezed enough

01:51:38 --> 01:51:41

from him. No, these are the shoe the monopolies. And you usually

01:51:41 --> 01:51:45

heads of the total, the righteous total that are upon the shittier.

01:51:45 --> 01:51:48

And there are some people say no, they're all the straight, really.

01:51:48 --> 01:51:50

So I named them all if you're judging that they're all straight,

01:51:50 --> 01:51:54

the name them. If you can't even name them all. How are you judging

01:51:54 --> 01:51:55

that they're astray? Right?

01:51:56 --> 01:52:00

There are many, many, many of you out there who have total

01:52:01 --> 01:52:04

they may not be like public lead, having total

01:52:05 --> 01:52:08

and having a toady does and being a chef and immoral B

01:52:09 --> 01:52:12

does not mean that they're having a masjid and dancing around in a

01:52:12 --> 01:52:17

circle doing really, you know, ring around the rosy and

01:52:17 --> 01:52:20

everything that you imagine them to be doing? No, sometimes they're

01:52:20 --> 01:52:23

just the regular shit. He teaches he lives his life. He talks to

01:52:23 --> 01:52:26

people and he lives like everyone else, but he is a shake. And I'm

01:52:26 --> 01:52:26

what?

01:52:27 --> 01:52:31

Why is it that the equine Muslimeen got away with having a

01:52:31 --> 01:52:34

beta and all the supporters of Equine Muslimeen never talk about

01:52:34 --> 01:52:37

that there's a bi and they never condemned that and they're totally

01:52:37 --> 01:52:41

accepting of that in the Arab world. But when it comes to a shit

01:52:41 --> 01:52:42

to do tarbiyah

01:52:44 --> 01:52:48

and he employed sometimes they employ Ave on sometimes not, that

01:52:48 --> 01:52:50

all of a sudden is a scandal.

01:52:51 --> 01:52:56

It's an agreement to follow him to obey him in what is beneficial in

01:52:56 --> 01:53:01

the deen and halal. And it is an agreement essentially that he will

01:53:01 --> 01:53:06

pay attention to you. So you could probably get a I could probably

01:53:06 --> 01:53:09

find a personal trainer, these high level personal trainers in

01:53:09 --> 01:53:13

Hollywood in LA and all that that train the actors that you probably

01:53:13 --> 01:53:16

under contract you better you only eat what He tells you to eat.

01:53:17 --> 01:53:20

One trainer is he discarded?

01:53:22 --> 01:53:27

A singer because he caught them on a clip, drinking a coke.

01:53:28 --> 01:53:30

You're not allowed to do this. Well, I'm wasting my time here.

01:53:30 --> 01:53:34

I'm coming and spending five hours a day with you. We work out from

01:53:34 --> 01:53:38

eight in the morning until 11 Then you have a meal, then you have a

01:53:38 --> 01:53:43

break. Then you come back at 4pm you know to six, then you have

01:53:43 --> 01:53:45

workout again, then you have another meal. They do this for

01:53:45 --> 01:53:49

five, six weeks until they get in shape for the movies. They have

01:53:49 --> 01:53:52

deals, you must obey Him or else the deal is off. So that's an

01:53:52 --> 01:53:56

unlawful contract. The fact that it's a lawful contract. Firstly,

01:53:56 --> 01:54:00

no one would ever say that it's an unlawful contract. Okay, it is an

01:54:00 --> 01:54:05

oath that you will pay attention to me and train me and I will

01:54:05 --> 01:54:08

listen to you in what is valid in the Sharia.

01:54:09 --> 01:54:12

The moment you asked me to do something unlawful, I'm not

01:54:12 --> 01:54:16

breaking the oath. And if I break the oath and I want to break with

01:54:16 --> 01:54:18

you I lost my first three days I broke my oath

01:54:20 --> 01:54:20

okay

01:54:24 --> 01:54:26

of course it's from this movie you

01:54:27 --> 01:54:31

faster it is because it's like a commitment. Like another almost or

01:54:31 --> 01:54:32

like not another but

01:54:34 --> 01:54:35

this is an agreement.

01:54:36 --> 01:54:40

So that's fasting three days is the explanation for direct. Yeah.

01:54:42 --> 01:54:46

So that's what a moto B means. And there are many in the world today.

01:54:47 --> 01:54:47

I'm telling you.

01:54:50 --> 01:54:54

It doesn't just have to be his turban this big. And he has a

01:54:54 --> 01:54:57

parade every time he walks from point A to point B a parade of

01:54:57 --> 01:54:59

50,000 people are following him carrying food

01:55:00 --> 01:55:00

Eggs.

01:55:01 --> 01:55:04

It's not like that for everybody. This is like imagination now

01:55:11 --> 01:55:16

Do you know any Sheoak in Germany? Who was a chick? One of Habib's?

01:55:16 --> 01:55:19

Have you ever met as a student in Germany? Is my mood shift my mood

01:55:20 --> 01:55:23

in Germany? In Germany? Check my mood. look him up. I don't know.

01:55:24 --> 01:55:27

His last name, unfortunately. But it's checking my mood. I see him

01:55:27 --> 01:55:27

in ombre.

01:55:29 --> 01:55:33

So I'm an ombre, like two years in a row. But I can't just can't

01:55:33 --> 01:55:34

remember his last name.

01:55:36 --> 01:55:39

Is it a red flag if a bit more be as harsh natured?

01:55:41 --> 01:55:42

It's

01:55:45 --> 01:55:45

maybe

01:55:47 --> 01:55:48

you have to see if what suits you.

01:55:50 --> 01:55:55

You have to see what suits you. You can't know you have under no

01:55:55 --> 01:55:56

obligation here. You have to realize this.

01:55:58 --> 01:56:02

Should I do do art before or replacing old flowers from a grave

01:56:02 --> 01:56:06

with new fresh one? So the gods is asking the question which we have

01:56:06 --> 01:56:10

to now answer the question. Are is a Muslim allowed to go to a grave

01:56:10 --> 01:56:13

and put flowers on the grave?

01:56:14 --> 01:56:17

Of course, there's another one that's going to be it's an answer.

01:56:17 --> 01:56:19

He's going to be clipped. And then people are gonna say, Oh, you're

01:56:19 --> 01:56:22

talking about flowers and graves when people are dying in Gaza?

01:56:23 --> 01:56:25

It's predictable now. But then we're going to answer it anyway.

01:56:25 --> 01:56:31

Because this is open. QA. The Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa

01:56:31 --> 01:56:34

sallam pointed to two people at the grave. And he said they're

01:56:34 --> 01:56:36

being punished, but not for something major. But its major

01:56:36 --> 01:56:39

meaning they thought it's not major. And in life, people don't

01:56:39 --> 01:56:42

think this is a big deal. But with Allah, it's a big deal. It's a big

01:56:42 --> 01:56:45

deal, because one of them he didn't clean himself from urine

01:56:46 --> 01:56:49

after he wasn't cautious about cleaning up beer and after going

01:56:49 --> 01:56:52

to the bathroom, what does that mean? means his prayers are not

01:56:52 --> 01:56:56

gonna be valid. He's not taking seriously something Allah told him

01:56:56 --> 01:57:00

to take seriously. Because he was his mind. And in his mind, he

01:57:00 --> 01:57:04

said, This is not important. But who are you? When Allah says

01:57:04 --> 01:57:07

something's important? Why are you judging big and small? Your

01:57:07 --> 01:57:10

judgment of what's big and small is irrelevant. There's nothing big

01:57:10 --> 01:57:13

and small when Allah speaks about it. If Allah were to speak about

01:57:13 --> 01:57:16

it, then it's a big deal. It's not for you to judge what's a big

01:57:16 --> 01:57:21

deal? And what's a small deal? Furthermore, gossiping, it's

01:57:21 --> 01:57:24

forbidden to go around gossiping like this. And this other man was

01:57:24 --> 01:57:28

gossiping. Even sometimes the gossip it's not hurtful, and it's

01:57:28 --> 01:57:31

not a lie. So what's the problem? Well, the problem is you're

01:57:31 --> 01:57:33

creating an environment for misunderstandings. And you're

01:57:33 --> 01:57:34

creating

01:57:36 --> 01:57:40

an environment now for people to maybe start envying each other or

01:57:40 --> 01:57:42

disliking each other. That's forbidden.

01:57:45 --> 01:57:48

Then the Prophet sallallahu alayhi, wa salam took a branch,

01:57:48 --> 01:57:52

and he placed it on their graves. And he said, perhaps that this

01:57:52 --> 01:57:54

will decrease the punishment as long as they say green.

01:57:56 --> 01:58:01

Why, because of the tests via, of green things, things that are

01:58:01 --> 01:58:05

alive, have a type of consciousness in which they make

01:58:05 --> 01:58:07

us be they praise Allah to spirit means they're praising Allah.

01:58:09 --> 01:58:12

So therefore, that's the Sunnah there that these things can

01:58:12 --> 01:58:16

decrease punishment. Anything that would have the capacity of tested

01:58:16 --> 01:58:19

via humans have the capacity of disappear, that's one of the

01:58:19 --> 01:58:23

proofs that you can receive site Quran, make dua do to do that, and

01:58:23 --> 01:58:28

bring anything green. So the only correction here is that it's not

01:58:28 --> 01:58:30

limited to flowers, anything green

01:58:31 --> 01:58:35

that you put it there, so long as it's green, there will be some

01:58:35 --> 01:58:39

tests via and there will be a decrease in any hardship that

01:58:39 --> 01:58:39

they're suffering.

01:58:40 --> 01:58:44

What about graveyards in the grass? What about the grass alone?

01:58:44 --> 01:58:46

Glad grass is green? So it applies? Yes.

01:58:53 --> 01:58:57

Yeah, this is we're talking about Muslim graveyards. So the answer

01:58:57 --> 01:59:00

to that is it doesn't make a difference whether or not you do

01:59:00 --> 01:59:05

make drop before or after. Doesn't make a difference. But but it is

01:59:05 --> 01:59:07

permitted to put those things on the graveyard.

01:59:09 --> 01:59:11

Just directly from the Hadith of the Prophet sallallahu. It was on

01:59:11 --> 01:59:16

them.al Amin. Thank you. He says the Sheikh is named Martin Mahmoud

01:59:16 --> 01:59:17

Kellner.

01:59:18 --> 01:59:21

So that's the organization that's a shift you want to look up if

01:59:21 --> 01:59:24

you're in Germany. His name again is Martin, Mahmoud Kellner.

01:59:32 --> 01:59:35

Can we pray at mo Salah in a graveyard? Yes.

01:59:37 --> 01:59:41

Your thoughts on Imran Hussein's views on the Quran in the podcast

01:59:41 --> 01:59:45

with Julie. I didn't see that clip. I saw the clip in which he

01:59:45 --> 01:59:50

essentially holds the Russian Orthodox not to be cool far. And

01:59:50 --> 01:59:55

that's the clip that everyone was talking about. In terms of where

01:59:55 --> 01:59:57

at least Jake's Drake Brancatelli is

01:59:58 --> 01:59:59

clip on that

02:00:01 --> 02:00:05

And again, it's the first pillar of Islam. Are we going to now? Is

02:00:05 --> 02:00:09

that now up for discussion? Is that now something that needs

02:00:09 --> 02:00:15

analysis and he said it there, I don't have a long time on this by

02:00:15 --> 02:00:20

until enough time to teach you the Quran regarding the

02:00:21 --> 02:00:27

truth of the matter, what is there now? A big Tafseer on whether or

02:00:27 --> 02:00:31

not we need to believe in Allah and it all of his messengers, and

02:00:31 --> 02:00:37

all of his books, and all and angels, is that something we need

02:00:37 --> 02:00:41

now? That is something that is unnecessary. This is known in

02:00:41 --> 02:00:43

religion by necessity,

02:00:44 --> 02:00:47

that you have to believe in these things. I'm sorry, it can you be a

02:00:47 --> 02:00:50

vegetarian. But every Friday you eat a steak.

02:00:52 --> 02:00:54

It's in the word, right?

02:00:57 --> 02:00:58

Yeah.

02:01:06 --> 02:01:08

You want to share that so we can all hear it? Yeah.

02:01:10 --> 02:01:14

Put it find the clip and put it on. Okay. And let me tell you

02:01:14 --> 02:01:17

something, people. Don't be fooled by huge beards that many, many

02:01:17 --> 02:01:22

beginners, they will literally just skip if somebody doesn't have

02:01:22 --> 02:01:23

a huge beard.

02:01:24 --> 02:01:29

They'll skip. And if he does, they will really take it seriously. You

02:01:29 --> 02:01:31

cannot be that naive people. I'm telling you.

02:01:32 --> 02:01:36

If he has a humongous beard and Islamic clothes and caps and all

02:01:36 --> 02:01:41

that. That's not how judgments are. That's not how judgments are

02:01:41 --> 02:01:43

made. It's not how judgments are made.

02:01:44 --> 02:01:47

And you can go to Shem. And you go to Sheikh Mahmoud in Syria, the

02:01:47 --> 02:01:52

Syrian scholar in Turkey, who is one of the most amazing scholars

02:01:52 --> 02:01:52

alive.

02:01:54 --> 02:01:58

And he wears a shirt and pants and he has a trimmed beard. Like if he

02:01:58 --> 02:02:01

was walking you wouldn't even know is he probably think he's an

02:02:01 --> 02:02:03

engineer. And he's part of Akena right?

02:02:05 --> 02:02:07

There on standby, because remember last time, yeah.

02:02:08 --> 02:02:11

Almost tell us there's a lot of hate watches and spammers. Well,

02:02:11 --> 02:02:15

it's good. I benefit from views, the organization benefits from

02:02:15 --> 02:02:18

views so I could care less. Right? And the more hate the more

02:02:18 --> 02:02:23

comments whether good or bad it benefits. So if you really try to

02:02:23 --> 02:02:26

want to harm what we're saying, Don't give it attention.

02:02:30 --> 02:02:32

He has a huge beard.

02:02:34 --> 02:02:36

If a person I can't have you talking too much, because you have

02:02:36 --> 02:02:40

no mic. So every time you talk, and I have to stay silent than the

02:02:40 --> 02:02:40

audience here is nothing.

02:02:42 --> 02:02:44

So don't take offense, but I can't have you talking too much.

02:02:47 --> 02:02:50

If a person sees the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam. In a

02:02:50 --> 02:02:53

dream will they see him sallallahu alayhi wa sallam in a wakeful

02:02:53 --> 02:02:54

state in their lifetime.

02:02:55 --> 02:02:58

That is based upon the Hadith manual. And if in my name, if I

02:02:58 --> 02:03:01

say only first say ironically akkada. Maybe we can read the

02:03:01 --> 02:03:03

Shadow Hearts on that. But the answer to your question is not

02:03:03 --> 02:03:07

necessarily. There's many cases in which people saw the Prophet in a

02:03:07 --> 02:03:09

dream, but not in the wakeful state. And we'll read the Shadow

02:03:09 --> 02:03:12

Hearts on that soon. Now that you bring it up,

02:03:13 --> 02:03:17

your opinion on shift out of clouded his works. I know he did a

02:03:17 --> 02:03:20

lot of great work. And I know he was involved in some controversy,

02:03:21 --> 02:03:24

in terms of prayers with

02:03:25 --> 02:03:29

Hindus and things like that. So but I can't really comment any

02:03:30 --> 02:03:33

much except that I know that he is from Arizona. His work is

02:03:33 --> 02:03:38

scholarly works are more than rooted in Arizona. Well, Jamal,

02:03:38 --> 02:03:42

that's what I get that I can tell you. What the latest updates of

02:03:42 --> 02:03:43

his political life I can tell you.

02:03:45 --> 02:03:46

That I don't know.

02:03:57 --> 02:04:01

Is a sugar haram to make dua to Allah and ask them is to have

02:04:01 --> 02:04:05

artha I'll tell you what schicke exactly is when you ask any

02:04:05 --> 02:04:09

created being. There's two things, when you ask any created being

02:04:09 --> 02:04:11

that which only Allah can grant.

02:04:12 --> 02:04:15

This is the meaning from ieq. And I will do what you can assign it

02:04:15 --> 02:04:18

alludes to this, only you are worthy of worship, there are

02:04:18 --> 02:04:22

certain things is only worthy of Allah subhanaw taala.

02:04:23 --> 02:04:28

And it's not seeking help only you we seek help in those matters.

02:04:28 --> 02:04:32

That only Allah can provide. For example, the guidance of the

02:04:32 --> 02:04:32

heart.

02:04:34 --> 02:04:37

For example, creating something for example, forgive all my sins.

02:04:38 --> 02:04:41

Of course, I can ask somebody to forgive me if it's an offense of

02:04:41 --> 02:04:45

that person. So I stole from you. All right, I give it back forgive

02:04:45 --> 02:04:50

me. Yes, that I can ask but I cannot ask somebody like in

02:04:50 --> 02:04:55

church, I sinned privately in my own home, and I drank come,

02:04:55 --> 02:04:59

forgive my sin. Only Allah can forgive your sin. Only Allah

02:05:00 --> 02:05:06

can create. So certain things are only in the power of Allah to ask

02:05:06 --> 02:05:08

any created being of that it should.

02:05:09 --> 02:05:14

Secondly, to believe even to set Booba doesn't we have to define

02:05:14 --> 02:05:20

that to sub n will additon to sub unguided and means that in this

02:05:20 --> 02:05:24

life there are middlemen there are means, for example, the means to

02:05:24 --> 02:05:28

to get a cure is to go to the doctor, the means to get my car

02:05:28 --> 02:05:31

fix to go to the mechanic, the means to get educated to go to the

02:05:31 --> 02:05:36

teacher to believe that that person has true power in himself.

02:05:36 --> 02:05:37

That's not that sure.

02:05:39 --> 02:05:42

So I go to him, I asked him even please take me as a student,

02:05:43 --> 02:05:45

please do the surgery on me.

02:05:47 --> 02:05:48

So I asked him

02:05:50 --> 02:05:54

to believe he has power that should occur for us, we believe

02:05:54 --> 02:05:55

you have no power you are a setup.

02:05:56 --> 02:06:00

Now the question is to ask that person

02:06:01 --> 02:06:08

who has no power. So URL edges, who has additon either than means

02:06:08 --> 02:06:10

in our customary daily life? We don't believe you have power. But

02:06:10 --> 02:06:14

we may say the words, we may talk as if you do. Oh, he can help you.

02:06:14 --> 02:06:17

Yes, that's just the way we talk. But in our theology, we don't

02:06:17 --> 02:06:21

believe he has any power. So we separate between our theology and

02:06:21 --> 02:06:24

the day to day speech, the day to day speech. Yeah, he saved my

02:06:24 --> 02:06:27

life. I'm allowed to say that because I mean, Allah used him to

02:06:27 --> 02:06:27

save my life.

02:06:28 --> 02:06:32

Allah subhanaw taala says in the Quran, Allah He had to offer

02:06:32 --> 02:06:38

amphis Allah takes your souls, it is Allah. However, he also says

02:06:38 --> 02:06:40

medical moto Levia to affect them.

02:06:42 --> 02:06:46

Right, so he attributes this Taking of the soul to the angel of

02:06:46 --> 02:06:50

death. So that's the proof that we are allowed to speak about the

02:06:50 --> 02:06:54

means with the same language as the source. I allowed to say that

02:06:54 --> 02:06:58

doctor saved my life, meaning I believe he is the sort the suburb

02:06:58 --> 02:07:03

by which I say my parents raised me my parents fed me as a dad, I

02:07:03 --> 02:07:07

guess I'm the one who feeds you. Yes, I am the one Allah sent as a

02:07:07 --> 02:07:11

means to feed you to give you to raise you all that. So that's off

02:07:11 --> 02:07:13

data there. That's why we say the word AI that's an in at word to

02:07:13 --> 02:07:20

Sebulba as a means now for me to ask someone who is absolutely has

02:07:20 --> 02:07:25

no power, something that I may have otherwise asked a created

02:07:25 --> 02:07:29

being such as for a job for money for food.

02:07:30 --> 02:07:33

I can ask create a human being for these three these things right?

02:07:33 --> 02:07:37

But for me now to ask something that cannot help me is my crew

02:07:37 --> 02:07:41

because it's a waste of time. And if it would make people think ill

02:07:41 --> 02:07:45

of me worse even think that um, emotionally that is haram. Okay.

02:07:45 --> 02:07:48

So for example, nobody is going to go to a serie where can I find

02:07:48 --> 02:07:52

free money? You do that all day long. It's free to do that.

02:07:52 --> 02:07:56

Meaning you're wasting time it's Sabbath. It could be even haram,

02:07:56 --> 02:07:59

because it's Abbath. It's uselessness. So say,

02:07:59 --> 02:08:02

hypothetically, that someone comes in the belief that the dead man in

02:08:02 --> 02:08:06

the grave can help you. And you say, Oh, give me money? No, I

02:08:06 --> 02:08:10

don't believe that. You're he's He has power in himself. I don't

02:08:10 --> 02:08:14

believe that. But he's just like you. He has power to fly around

02:08:14 --> 02:08:17

and bring me money. Because he's a big worry of a lot. So that's a

02:08:17 --> 02:08:21

belief, right? There's no bait. There's no proof of that. No

02:08:21 --> 02:08:24

explicit proof of that. But you believe that hypothetically, we

02:08:24 --> 02:08:27

and but you say I'm asking him for something that humans can give.

02:08:28 --> 02:08:32

It's not limited to only what Allah can give. And I'm asking him

02:08:32 --> 02:08:35

believing he's a sub. That maximum was tell us you're wasting your

02:08:35 --> 02:08:38

time. But now people are gonna think you're a pagan, no, or

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emotionally because that's the perception No, so now it's haram.

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And that's exactly what Hamza Sheikh Hamza bucket he said, when

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he quoted Abu Hanifa, saying that he disliked people to say be

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Hockley Mohammed. Imad, because someone may imagine that Allah

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owes something to the Prophet sallallahu Salman, we know that

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Allah does not owe anything to any creation, no matter how glorious

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and majestic Allah has made that created person.

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Allah was the nose Oh, nobody anything. So where it may ruin

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your reputation cause confusion and cause you to be blamed, then

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at that point, it becomes something that person should not

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do on a loan as best he meant with what Abu Hanifa said, but Tahiti

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morbid Cara here. So she comes back recites that and he's talks

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about a Sugata. in that language. He said, Now look at the

02:09:28 --> 02:09:31

perception of Issa worldwide, get your head out of the books, look

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at the perception worldwide.

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People are gonna accuse you, no matter what you say about the

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theology. So for that reason, he says he avoids it. And he holds it

02:09:41 --> 02:09:44

as something from said the video so that you're not accused. But

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anyway, that's where it should because yes, there is a lot that

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can be shared in these two ways, in the way that

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asking a creative being that which only Allah can grant you or to

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believing that that creative being has any power in himself that

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could be shipped outside of it.

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Like if I'm sitting and I'm dying and the doctors right in front of

02:10:02 --> 02:10:08

me, and I start to have a belief that he is the source of my cure

02:10:08 --> 02:10:13

that right there is a problem. Forget Graves, who goes to graves

02:10:13 --> 02:10:16

in the United States is their graves of odia. Right? I'm sure

02:10:16 --> 02:10:20

there are LDS but not that. There's no history of this. So

02:10:20 --> 02:10:22

this has really just become a,

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you know, one of these litmus tests debates. And that's really

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all it is. It's pick a team, right? I need to know what your

02:10:30 --> 02:10:32

statement is on this. So I know what your position is, what team

02:10:32 --> 02:10:37

you're on. And those ineffective I only look at it because it's a

02:10:37 --> 02:10:39

good exercise and knowledge to see what we believe why we believe it.

02:10:40 --> 02:10:41

Good.

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And

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that's it. But other than that, it's really one of these just a

02:10:48 --> 02:10:51

hot button question to see what group you're part of.

02:10:57 --> 02:11:02

We our hearts Yeah, images is acceptable. We accept images. In

02:11:02 --> 02:11:03

other words, saying,

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Yeah, rasool Allah, in these poems, we accept that.

02:11:09 --> 02:11:13

And even if you were to believe if someone was to believe and there

02:11:13 --> 02:11:16

is probably a lot of reasons to believe, Rasul Allah sees our

02:11:16 --> 02:11:19

actions. Yes, there's a hadith Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa

02:11:19 --> 02:11:22

sallam said, I'm showing your deeds, if I see God, I thank

02:11:22 --> 02:11:27

Allah, if I see other than that, that means that I seek support for

02:11:27 --> 02:11:31

you. So that means that if I were to address the messenger he

02:11:31 --> 02:11:35

receives what's wrong with that? Right? So but we would not ask

02:11:36 --> 02:11:40

that which is only in the power of Allah, we do not believe that

02:11:40 --> 02:11:43

anyone has power, but Allah. And by the way, the team means just

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believing that they believe that people do have power because Allah

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put it there. We believe no one has any power.

02:11:50 --> 02:11:54

And we may talk about people have power, we may say you came you

02:11:54 --> 02:11:58

went you saved, you did this great thing. Right. But that's either

02:11:58 --> 02:12:02

too Suburban. And on top of that, whether or not anyone deceased

02:12:02 --> 02:12:07

from the odia, or the MBA can help you we have really no, no absolute

02:12:07 --> 02:12:10

certain certainty on every case on that.

02:12:12 --> 02:12:14

In your worldly life, so it's done.

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And all of this as a quotation, not from myself, but from Sheikh

02:12:21 --> 02:12:25

Muhammad chubbie. And from other Allamah in Arcada. And from other

02:12:25 --> 02:12:30

books that I'm summarizing for you. So it's not my take on the

02:12:30 --> 02:12:33

subject is what I've gathered from automa on the subject.

02:12:42 --> 02:12:45

I used to Marina Yes, you can call you can email info at Safina cited

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dot o RG for any questions you have about studying abroad, or she

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in different countries if you're trying to connect with somebody.

02:12:51 --> 02:12:54

Ladies and gentlemen, we will stop right here.

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A lot of good questions. A lot of good discussion here.

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And again, if you want to study with us in half an hour Oh, isn't

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it now. Class should start now.

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