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Rahim Al hamdu lillah wa Salatu was Salam ala Rasulillah. While
early he also be here well Manuela welcome everybody to the Safina
society nothing but facts live stream on a beautiful Monday in
which I'm joined by my friend and guests as you can see next to me
here shed huddle and sada Welcome to the
villa Chicago. This should be no stranger to anybody here,
especially people who have taken classes on ArcView or come to mbyc
or know about our community because he lives around the
corner. We're lucky to have him in the area. And Charlie, he spent a
couple of years studying in Egypt and probably will go back for a
period of time to finish up his education and come back and be our
Mufti here in the lights. And sha Allah, nobody steals him in the
process. I'm going to be watching and intercepting emails to make
sure nobody sending any offer letters to Sharon.
But he will also be joined by Sammy Hamdi, who you said is a
risk advisor. As a professional. That's what I saw as on the madman
looks podcasts. He's always said he's a risk. He's been doing the
rounds. Yeah, he's been doing the rounds. And he's been doing a good
job. In terms of explaining a lot of the background of what's going
on these guys. They got to follow the news all the time. When
they're in the financial world, they got to follow the news all
the time. And that's what semi Hamdi, as you're gonna see is
very, very in tune with everything that's going on. Now. What is the
in your
keeping up to date? What's the latest? Give us the Yeah, so of
course, for those who don't know, I'm Palestinian. So it's like
different for us? Because we're keeping up because we're speaking
to family and friends all the time. So I have family in Gaza. I
have family in what we call the 48. borders. And a lot of so you
have in Israel, the 48. We call the original borders. That's
Israeli border. So all the Arabs were there. Yeah. Right. They
don't say that. They're Israeli Arabs. Of course, they call
themselves 48. Arabs. Okay, because they can't they don't want
to attribute them. Exactly. So they're Palestinians with Israeli
citizenship. Okay, that's what they are. And then and then
there's also I have a lot of friends in the in the West Bank,
too. Okay. Right. So every, every single person that you speak
about, it's like, Where do I even begin to speak? And that's, that's
what I found to be very difficult. That's what they're saying. Yeah,
that's what they're saying. That's what I feel too, right. Every time
we speak about this, it's like, there's so much going on. Yeah,
that you don't even know what to say. Right? Because you have to of
course, they're the death toll is over 5000 that they've killed.
Right, they reach over 5000 Last night was very brutal.
You know, following it.
But then you also have in the West Bank, too, right. The last time I
checked, it was over 90 that they killed, right. This is Israeli
settlers and IDF soldiers. And if people Yeah, over 90 people that
they've killed.
You know, protesters, a good amount of them women and children,
elderly people that the jails in the West Bank, they've taken over
5000 Extra prisoners, so they have 5000 before now it's over 10,000.
Wow. Right. And what people don't understand is the reason for you
to be arrested is as simple as making a DA as simple as anything,
right? And then you have the 48 borders, right? They've been
arresting left and right. Anyone who writes a Doha, who even
follows news who even likes a post that they don't like, right? This
is like being a traitor, right? This is so there was this? She's a
famous palace. She's, she's from the 48 borders. So she's a famous
Palestinian singer, and also neurosurgeon like she's famous in
the there, right. So unique combination. Yeah. And she was
getting threats from other Israelis for putting up a dua for
Gaza. Right. And so they started giving her death threats. Wow. She
goes to the police to complain. Like to put it on to report it.
Yeah. What did they say to say, Okay, we have to arrest you now.
Because you're demoralizing the worst fear? Oh, my God. Right.
Wow. So that's the level to which you're going crazy. Even some
might have seen a video of in quotes. Yeah, right. You have this
store owner. They walk in? They turn Let me see your Facebook Open
up your phone. They saw a few likes on like, you know, that's
the stuff they said all right. You're coming with us. So they're
just going round rounding up for went up. Even academics and like,
you know, professors, like left leaning Jewish professors. They're
not even exempt from this. Really? Yeah, they're not necessarily
exempt from it. So Melinda was just put out an article going over
this. Yeah. Now when we say like speaking about what's happening in
Gaza, of course, the main focus that you want to have is on what's
happening in Gaza. Yeah. Okay, but then all of these other things
play a part too.
because you're being ignored, or you're being taken away from
what's happening, and opportunity for this and operates. Exactly,
that's what it is. So they're seeing anybody right now.
Who is an Arab outside. And so you also had in, in Israel, you had a
few from Gaza, like workers were able to get it to work. A lot of
them were missing put in jails and the people who brought them in.
Wow, also Well, right. So it's like crazy, right? So. So this is
important to keep up with, right? Of course, the focus is on Huzar.
And he speaks about Alexa. But then you have these, like
secondary debates that come up, where they say, Oh, well, this is
happening because of Hamas. Well, then you say, oh, Hamas did what
they did, and not that we necessarily support all of their
actions. But you know, this is not a defense of them. But they did
what they did, because of the circumstance. You cannot start
history on
October 7, it's what they're doing, right? And then they say,
Oh, well, before that you had these Arabs who are living under
Israeli citizenship, and they're living fine. So why is it that
these people can't live with us? Right? So then you need to now and
then this whole issue of the West Bank comes up, right? Because you
see now okay, with the West Bank, there is no hummus. So why is it
why do we have over 90 people that there? What do they have to advise
or not stop machete over there to exactly why is it there to them?
So if you if you use the legal system, right? You go to jail. If
you're in the West Bank, and you do nonviolent resistance, you
might be killed, too. Yeah, right. You do violent resistance. Now the
whole world calls you a terrorist. So it's like, yeah, what do you
want to do? Right? It all goes back in my opinion about the
matter. Then all goes back to one simple thing in the heart of the
Jewish religion, they have no shittier on how to govern non
Jews. In fact, I should retract that they do have a shittier. And
that should do is to eliminate that's Deuteronomy, yeah, there
was this one. Did you see that Rabbi? There's a struck by reading
passages from the from the, from the from the Torah, from
Deuteronomy, specifically, speaking about, like, what are the
rules of engagement of words and one, how to turn and he's saying
you have to kill all of their women and children, you know,
quoting because they will grow up. And this is an injustice to the
person that they will kill in the future. And you see, this is not
far away. This is the problem, right? This is not far away from
the rhetoric that's being used in the Israeli Knesset by the high
IDF people, the IDF spokesman, right, there's, there's a swan, I
forgot what it was called. But everything's there, right? They
put together a document going over all the genocidal statements that
have been made, because the point about genocide is by intent, you
have to intend to do it exactly right. But you have all these
statements from the Israeli President, you have statements
from the IDF, Defense Minister, you have statements from high
ranking Knesset people, generals, right. Speaking about cutting off
the water, they're all animals, they brought it upon themselves,
all of these things, right? And it's clearly coming from
somewhere. It's got to if you're if this is your book, and you go
to Israel, chances are you're a religious person back in the early
20th century, right? You come from Eastern Europe, you're coming to
Israel.
Everyone's reading this book. And this law, everyone's reading the
law. Everyone's studying. So 5050 40% of your population
studies, right? These are your leaders, right? And they're
repeating this stuff. And I was like, okay, that's, there's so
there's no way to know. But then you have to go now and appeal to
the west for money, then you have to appear like a democracy. This
is a schizophrenic society. Yeah. Right. Where you on one hand, your
true belief, they should be all killed. But our biggest ally is
liberal on the other side where everyone's equal and everyone
should be treated equally. Yeah. So this is where you have a
schizophrenic society. And this is something that cannot be like
understated, right. So this is even amongst their left their
leftist, or maybe not leftists, but the more liberal crowd, right,
because the leftists are a little bit different. And this is
important, right? To follow this, you really need to know, Israeli
politics as well know what's happening on the inside.
It's very important to understand why they're doing what they're
doing. Sometimes.
The Liberals are just as bad. So like, there's really precedent
right now the president or not the Prime Minister, he's a liberal.
Right. And he had very similar statements to make. I remember one
genocidal statements. Yeah. Yeah. I thought they would be a lot more
No. Enlai Northwestern, not not maybe just the leftist? Yeah, so
they're not.
Yeah, there's something that many people don't know. I was actually
when I was there in 2014. And there was a war happening on
wasn't 2014 Right. And I went to the gym just like a normal gym.
Right? And it was no, no, it was in Boston. Oh, you were in the
clicks area, the clicks area. Okay. Now this gym you have of
course, you have Palestinians and Jews going to it as well. So I
speak English right when I go there, right? Just pretend like
I'm a foreigner. Yeah, right. So this
this guy, so I needed a spot on the bench. So as this random guy
to spot me right. And then after he said,
As nonroad was he was watching me do something. And then he came up
and spoke to me. Okay, right. Anyway, he asked me first, but I
don't know how it happened, right? The main thing is he didn't
realize that I'm Palestinian, right. He thought I'm just like a
tourist in the area. Yeah. So he's like, all of these, you know,
people in the Gaza, we have to just level it flat. Wow, this just
a normal average guy, right? Just level it flat level flat, the
women, the children, and this and that level, the whole thing flat.
Right. Very, very, you know, crazy. And this is not the first
time that I've heard things like this, right. But it was different
to hear it directly. Like, you know, you don't even know who I am
sure you feel comfortable saying, Yeah, that's right. If he feels
comfortable saying this, that means that's normal rhetoric. They
say amongst themselves. Yeah. Right. Then, eventually,
eventually, he asked me where I'm from, right. So when I told the
name of the village that I'm from, His face changed. And he started
saying, you know, we want what's best for you Arabs.
Like,
you know, for me, I saw it as a good opportunity. I'm like, Okay,
well, he's spilling the Yeah, what he feels inside, let me milk this
out, right until he asked me where I'm from. But I was just surprised
to just a normal for all he knows, I could have just been a tourist
out of town. I personally feel that that's where that's where
we're headed. And the whole world will watch and approve. Yeah, and
it just it the same thing happened to the Jews in Germany, the whole
world watched and approved, we saw it happen, right? In history, at
least, it's happened in the last century. Now they're just on the
other side, they internalized it, and I believe they're going to do
it to somebody else, because they've internalized it so much.
Now, if you're on Instagram, hop onto YouTube, so you can see
everybody. Now, I want to ask you a couple things. Now, there's some
basic education here that a lot of people may have an idea of, but
don't exactly have a specific knowledge of it. A couple of terms
here, the Nakba,
the 48, borders, the 67. Borders and the 73. Borders. Could you
explain to our viewers what exactly like very simply, what are
these terms? Yeah, so very simply, the neck, right, of course,
everything is a catastrophe. Right. And what happened is
leading up to the Nakba,
you had these Israeli groups like the Oregon and others going around
and threatening and making life very difficult for the Arabs were
living there. One thing that people don't necessarily
understand is when this this Israeli project started. Yeah, not
like the commoners weren't necessarily in tune with what was
happening. They didn't like they see new people coming in. Yeah,
but not everyone in the beginning. understood what was happening.
We're talking 19 1019 Yeah. 20. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then there's
certain key figures who came up, who kind of made people aware of
what's happening and saying that we need to fight back and not
write certain names that I don't want to mention. Right. So because
we're going to get in trouble here. Right.
But
leading up to the neck, but basically, what happened was
when when the war happened, a bunch of over 750,000, right,
Palestinians were displaced, actually 4819 48 Like immediately
upon Ben Gurion, saying that this is now a state of Israel, and I'm
its chairman or whatever. Yeah. Or its prime minister. Right away.
The Arab militias got together and they started to fight. Yeah. So
then
the everything happened between two extremes, or I don't want to
say extremes, but in two levels, right. So you have things as bad
as the derriere see massacre?
Over 100 People just murdered, right, or even more than that,
right. So the records are there. Anyone can search it up? Where?
Israeli Israeli soldiers? Well, they weren't. I don't know if they
were technically Israeli soldiers at this point. But they weren't
just massacred. Yeah. It's a very brutal massacre that happened and
it's very well reported. That 90 year old IDF soldier who said, I
don't know if you saw that clip, saying we will keep participated
in that massacre. He must have been 25 years old. Yeah. He
participated in that massacre. Right. So there's people living
today who participated in that. Yeah. So you had mass, which that
we showed that, by the way here.
And then And then things that it wasn't to the level of massacre,
but like threats until they got them out. So you had things like,
I don't want to say it's a light, but as light as what happened in a
Korean citizen alley. So I visited this this past summer when I went
and it's basically we're one of the great grandsons of Ahmedabad
and blah, blah, blah, and who is buried, or there's a mahkum there
for him, right? And there's a masjid and there's a graveyard and
his name is Ali. Yeah. Okay. And there's nothing else around. Yeah.
But there's a graveyard that if you look carefully, you'll see
like that there were houses there, but it's basically nothing there.
What happened there is that
they were going around and
doing basically terrorist attacks on Arab villages around
leading up to the Nakba, where they got scared and they left.
Right and they left. Now the interesting thing is right, they
say that nobody they the Arabs didn't want peace.
Well, this is an example of a village that actually did not have
a problem living in peace with Jewish people. They of course,
didn't realize what was about to come. Yeah, right. And so a lot of
the agreements that they had between like a local Jewish
village and they're built was on the pretext that they would be
able to stay peacefully and all of these things, right. But, you
know, even done, right. So these are talking points that they say
that when you get into the minutiae of things, right, it's
very easily debunked. Yeah. So you have things in the middle of
massacres, and basically threats, like, you know, you better get out
of here. And now when they left, they weren't allowed to return. So
like, like my family that's in a flood zone right now. Right? Some
of them left from Yaffa. Yaffa is close to what they have now Tel
Aviv, right. So you have is like right next to it, right? So
my grandmother on my dad's side, they left and they went to hodza.
Now most of them were not able to get back.
You see, even though they were they? They weren't promised to
come. No, but the international law gives the right for refugees
to return to their homes, either people who still have the deeds
and the keys to their home. So they're considered refugees of the
war from the 48 Well, yeah, and you have you have an n 67 is
another similar word to that. So you have in 70% are refugees 70%
But those are refugees. And this is important context for you know
when they say that they need to leave you want to make a
population that's already refugees leave again it's gonna say you can
you can come back it's so stupid it's so absurd when people say and
you see these you see this sentiment come from people who
sort of just dabble in the issue their distance distant from the
issue and and definitely not Arab or Palestinian. And they say
absurd
comments like, why don't they because it just leave a find a
peaceful home somewhere else. As if we're living in Europe, or
America where all these states have open borders. And you could
just go somewhere else, right? Right. So it's infuriating. Even
then, right, like why you know, that needs to be questioned,
right? Why are you supporting ethnic cleansing? Exactly, you
know, it's like, why don't they just sleep Hold on a second. Are
you saying are you saying that you support ethnic cleansing? Like why
is the question even coming up? Where are you
where they need to leave this is not a natural disaster you're
submitting to the right it's crazy. So in the neck but how long
does that take that or was that like a couple months? Or like a
couple years if I remember correctly, right? Unfortunately my
my the exact things are not fresh in my head but it should be like a
year year or a little bit more a long time. Yeah, you could do a
lot if I remember correctly though. It could be do a lot
All right, our guest has arrived
Alma Are we ready? Okay great.
Thank you very much for having me appreciate it
in the way that we were immediately after October 7, so
why don't you give us the on the ground update of of what's
happening in Philistine?
Deus Ex Machina. Thanks to you. Thank you to Sheikh Harun who's
there as well, and and everybody who's watching this? I think now
all eyes are on this potential grand invasion that might take
place. It's becoming increasingly imminent based on the information
that's coming out. Israel wants to go in there are suggestions that
it's going this time to try to occupy northern Gaza and that
Netanyahu is peace offering to the Israelis who are protesting on the
streets against him and blaming him for what they call to me the
greatest crisis to Israel since 1948. Netanyahu believes that the
best way to resolve it is to take more land from the Palestinians
give it to the Israeli settlers, and they'll forgive him for it.
The problem is there are three obstacles that Israel and
Washington are scrambling to try to resolve before they begin a
ground invasion. The first is the of the issue of where the
Palestinians will go. And that's why there's heavy pressure on Sisi
in Egypt to open the Rafah crossing. I've seen a lot of
criticism of CZ, that it's callous that he's kept that Bookcrossing
closed. But I do think and I'm not defending him if I was in a
position I'd open it
But I do think that one of the reasons CeCe doesn't want to open
it is because he knows that the Israelis want to drive the
Palestinians into the Sinai Peninsula, where they will live in
new refugee camps and the Israelis will never allow them to return
afterwards, after they finish their ground operation and CCP is
going down in history as being complicit in a new Nakba in Gaza.
The second obstacle is Iranian proxies. There's deep concern that
Hezbollah in Lebanon in Lebanon is waiting for the Israelis to get
bogged down in Gaza, because the Israelis don't have a very good
history of ground operations in Gaza. Every time they go in, they
struggle, they get bogged down, they end up with a lot of
casualties. There's concern that once they go into Gaza, Hezbollah
will cross over from the north, and those who remember 2008 2009.
It's generally considered that the Israelis lost to Hezbollah that
Netanyahu was unable to subdue them in the last year with
Hezbollah. And the third obstacle is public opinion as a result of
social media breaking Israel's monopoly on the narrative as a
result of everybody sharing Palestinian content as a result of
the liberation of the algorithms, particularly on Twitter and the
like, allowing pro Palestinian content popular pro Palestinian
content to appear on new home pages, and the light is really
struggling with the narrative and anybody who opens Washington Post.
You'll notice that underneath the headline about blinkin visit to
Saudi and Egypt, Washington Post describes that the reason for
Lincoln's visit was to ask Saudi Arabia, Egypt and these countries
to try to tone down public opinion. And we're seeing videos
now of some scholars in Saudi who are now saying that citizens
should stop talking about Gaza. Because when el amor is the one
who knows about the issue, and that you all have your analysis is
causing an unnecessary burden. So there are these are the three
obstacles now to Grand invasion. There are reports that the
Americans have sent a Three Star Marine General to Israel today to
discuss the risks according to some of the reports the risks of a
grand invasion, by Dennis trying to pressure the Israelis to hold
off on the ground invasion. They're not sure whether it's wise
or not, they'll and the final thing that's worth mentioning on
this is that the Hamas saw and the other Palestinian factions are
trying to fend off the ground invasion. There are reports that
the Red Cross is now to receive 50 hostages of dual nationality that
are due to be released as a result of negotiations with Qatar, the
idea being that if they can release those 50 dual
nationalities, then the Americans can get the Israelis to put off
the ground invasion. But the one thing that is worth noting here is
the idea of the grand invasion suggests that Netanyahu has the
initiative and he is the one in the ascendancy. But the reason
NETIO is going into the ground invasion is because no matter how
much he bombs, Gaza, he's unable to wipe away the humiliation that
he suffered at the hands of the Palestinians, and also the
humiliation that he suffered. In that breaking of the monopoly on
the narrative. I assume that you're in the US. But we've seen
videos here on social media of DeSantis, the Republican candidate
going into a supermarket, trying to say Israel has the right to
self defense and Americans responding and saying, We don't
believe you anymore, because of what we've seen. So I think that
the public opinion, Iran, and the issue of where to put the
Palestinians are the reasons why it's been delayed, but all talk to
answer your question directly. All talk is on an imminent ground
invasion. Nobody knows when but it's certainly building up to it.
I'm gonna ask one question, then I'm gonna turn it over to Chicago.
And I don't know if you've ever met, but you can find him on
Twitter. Chicago insider, you're still on Twitter. I asked you have
you tried to get off but I felt like I had to get back on to kind
of talk about this stuff. Yeah, to add and to help at least, dictate
the points. shaved head on is from Philistine you're also from
Philistine. I'm from North Africa, where Algerians are renowned for
their support. Okay, Mashallah. One people? Yeah.
We saw in the World Cup, how Morocco was there were more
Palestinian flags, the Moroccan flags held by the Moroccan fence
so Allah reward them for that. I want to ask you the first
question.
I was thinking yesterday, the public opinion worldwide is now
swaying, maybe not in America, but in the rest of the world. It's
swaying against Israel heart, it's not hard to fathom, and to imagine
the Mossad doing something inflicting something upon
themselves. So egregious.
That will, that will then be pinned onto Hamas and justify all
this all over again. Because the public event is going so far, I
believe that's a possibility. What are your thoughts on that?
I think certainly, it's a possibility. And we've already
seen the attempts to do that. I think that when you remember the
story of the 40, beheaded babies, and the way that it was
proliferated on mainstream media and amongst Israeli allies, I
think the reason that story went so wide why it was really pushed
was because the videos that were coming out actually showed
magnanimous fighters coming out to channel 12 In Israel, where the
woman says they came into my house, they said they won't hurt
me because they're Muslim. And then one of them asked me
For a banana, and they left after two hours, there was an interview
with Israeli radio, which was caught live. And the section was
later deleted, of a woman who described that when the
Palestinians came in, they didn't harm any civilians. But when the
Israelis came to liberated they shot some of the hostages and shot
some of the Israelis in order to try to say that the Palestinians
did it. There is also deep concern for anybody who follows Israeli
journalists, that a lot of the families of the hostages in Israel
itself are complaining that Netanyahu is showing no regard for
the hostages that he's going in, and that they're not a priority
that he prioritizes the annexation of the Gaza strip over the lives
of those particular hostages. And that's why I think that Israel has
been pushing it, if you remember the hospital when they bombed the
hospital in the hospital, and they tried to blame it on a Hamas
rocket, which was later debunked by forensic investigators. And oh,
since then the light, because there is this deep concern about
the shift in public opinion. And you were saying maybe not in
America, but the polls that came out two days ago, suggests that at
least 53 54% of Americans are now in favor of an immediate ceasefire
in Gaza, they no longer buy, and that's unprecedented for the US.
And in the UK. We have a YouGov poll, which is one of the reliable
pollsters that says that more than 76% of Britons are in favor of an
immediate ceasefire. And that's quite simply unprecedented. So I
think that when you when you talk about the concern about Mossad
staging something they've already tried to stage something with
regards to the 40 beheaded babies, they tried to stage something by
saying that the woman was killed and paraded on the streets. And
the news week later published and said that she was actually being
taken to a hospital where she was receiving treatment. They tried to
say that there were rapes that occurred. But then the eyewitness
accounts of Israeli settlers themselves said, We never saw any
of these things that the Israelis are saying. And that's why it's
important to stress here. And it builds on your point, as Dr. Anson
Qureshi from from cage said on Twitter when I was reading it, he
said, you know, the Israelis are telling us what is happening, but
the Palestinians are showing us what is happening. And it's
becoming abundantly clear through social media, that the vivid
images of what's happening is forcing the shift in social media.
And so while your question implies that Mossad might do something I
would stress they have, and they are failing so far, as a result of
public opinion when you ask Haroon Are you still using Twitter he
says I'm using Twitter because I want to promote the Palestinian
cause. The reality is this war of narratives is being won on social
media. BBC presenter apologized not because the BBC editorial
board said she did anything wrong. She apologized because the social
media was so overwhelming. And the feedback was so overwhelming they
had no choice but to apologize. CNN the reason they apologized was
not because the Israeli said we're unhappy with your narrative. They
apologized because of social media was so huge. They had to apologize
Sky News, which I never thought we'd ever apologize for any
content on Palestine came out and apologized because they present a
que Bernie had said that the Palestinian ambassador said the
Israelis had it coming. And Sky News apologize for that publicly,
the State Department in the US you have the resignation of one of the
main directors and blinkin has to hold the listening session two
days ago with his staff to plead with them not to resign because
they're feeling the pressure from social media. So I think that it's
true that Mossad might be planning something more, but and I'll
finish on this point, but the point is that they have tried,
they have pushed and they're failing every single time, not
because of government campaigns by Muslim nations or the like. But
because of the ordinary people using their social media, and
demanding the proof of the veracity of all information.
That's what's making them crumble. And this is why what's important
to note here is this is genuinely a battle where you can see the
real impact of the mobilization of the OMA and all Allies of justice
outside of them. It's a it's a great time, actually, for anyone
who cares about journalism, epistemology, to watch. And to
watch, it cannot be denied. Yeah, right. And this is what they call
the new media where everyone's little cell phone
combined together, actually brings you certainty, yield certainty and
exposes lies. Let's turn it over now to Sharon, what would you like
to? Yeah, so I think as we said in the beginning, you know, any
Palestinian that you speak to now, when you ask them what's happening
on the ground? Right? The A lot of them and this is something that
I've said, and many of my friends over there have said, well, Allah,
He we don't know where to begin. Right? So the focus you want it to
be and, of course, but then there's other things that have to
be spoken about as well. So I wanted to see what what, what
Sammy thinks about, you know, about how we frame our discourse.
So of course, we want the focus to be on husba. But then there's
other things that are happening in the West Bank, in the inside
Israel with them, what they're doing amongst themselves to
Palestinian Palestinians inside there.
You know, how do you kind of choose where the focus should be?
So you have this these discussions on?
I don't want to call them conspiracy theories, but
questioning the narrative of what happened on the
October 7, so you have an article that just came out. And I thought
it was interesting. And they said that we should investigate and see
how much of those 1400 civilians that were killed are actually not
all of them were civilians. And that's another important thing to
keep in mind is that a lot of them were soldiers, but that a lot of
the civilian that could have been from IDF soldiers in there
fighting with Hamas. And that's not something that so it's like,
there's so much that's happening and you're not sure where to focus
on. So how do you decide
what to focus on? And what to touch upon a little bit? And what
to maybe leave for later?
I think that's a very important question. And it's a question
that's often asked even in the WhatsApp groups with with with a
number of journalists and scholars and alike who are trying to help
to unify the message with which we're trying to talk about
Palestine. I think that what's important to note is to fight the
battles that you know that you can, when and where you won't get
caught into a mudslinging competition. By that I mean that
we will focus on the issue of the civilian casualties, the rights of
the Palestinians not to live under occupation, the violence that
Israel implicates on the occupied people, the way that they
monopolize the narratives, and everybody's sudden wake up
suddenly waking up to it, the realities of the Palestinians who
live under the Israeli occupation, you will notice that human rights,
which today is using the word apartheid, amnesties, using the
word apartheid, apartheid is being used on the Congress floor, these
things are unprecedented. You couldn't imagine they would happen
70 years ago, but they're happening now, as a result of the
breaking of Israel's monopoly. what Israel is concerned about is
not that you will prove that the IDF were involved in the
criminality of whatever happened on October 7, what Israel is
terrified of is that the world will now see the Palestinians as a
human, that the world will now see the Palestinians not as the
barbaric animals that they've been painting them as for the last 70
years, but that they will see them as ordinary children, as mothers,
as fathers, as elders and the like. That's what Israel is
terrified of. And that's why the focus of any talk on Palestine
should be on the humanity of the cause. And on the humanity of the
Palestinians, that these are not terrorists being killed. These are
ordinary civilians. And that's why I thought it very poignant that a
lot of the focus in recent days has been about the idea that when
everybody says, Will you condemn Hamas, people are saying, Okay,
fine, let's suppose I do. And let's suppose we go past this
point. Let's imagine Hamas is eradicated. Let's imagine you
remove them, then what do you do about the world? That is the West
Bank, for example? What do you do about the Palestinians who remain
there? Suddenly, you find that where they're trying to drag you
into a mud mudslinging path, in terms of what Hamas is and what
they do. You force them onto a terrain that is very much
realistic, where they have no answers. You mentioned earlier
about the West Bank. The reason the West Bank is such an
uncomfortable topic for the Israelis and Western media is
because there is no Hamas in the West Bank, you have a Palestinian
authority that has abided by all of the conditions that the
Americans have wanted. Since the Oslo Accords of 1993. You have a
Palestinian Authority that proactively restraints the
resistance of the Palestinians in order to uphold agreements with
the Israelis, you have a Palestinian Authority that
cooperates on security issues with the Israelis, on the basis of the
Israelis will leave them alone, what's the excuse for Israel to
keep bombing them. And that's why I think that when it comes to
social media, the reason they've been so effective is because they
haven't been bogged down on where the Israelis want to talk about,
which is criminality of actions or terrorism and the like, but
focusing on the humanity of humanity of the Palestinians. And
that's what's making the Israelis go ballistic, they cannot fathom
the idea that the ordinary American who shouts at the
scientists in the supermarket is telling them that I don't believe
that those civilians deserve to be bombed because of the actions of a
few. And that's why Israel's monopoly is being broken. Because
we're seeing a lot of non Muslims online who are saying that all my
life, I believe the Israeli narrative, but I can't think of
any scenario where it's justified to Bhama hospital and kill 500. To
leave babies under the rubble to see the pictures of a baby's head
being split into two wire the biller. May Allah never show
anybody anything like that, to see the video of the child who's
shaking with fear, and then burst into tears when he's hugged by
somebody, because he doesn't know where his parents are the light
that shakes the heart, because what you're speaking to here is
not just to the conscience of humanity, but to the flipper or
the fitter is screaming in every individual Muslim or non Muslim,
that there is something so horribly wrong here. And no matter
what Israel or Ben Shapiro, these other people are saying nothing
can justify what I'm seeing before my eyes. And that's why I know
sometimes some Muslims want to get bogged down. And you mentioned in
particular, he wants conspiracy theories. But the reality is that
the victory is not being won in those battles. It's being won in
finally breaking Israel's stranglehold on the monopoly. And
for the first time, US breaking through the algorithm and actually
telling people the story, and it's worth noting here, there is a
prominent political analyst in the US who helped to modernize the
political industry where I work my job is to advise corporate clients
how to save money in crises and disasters by advising them what's
going to happen next and scenario planning but
Have Ian Bremmer, who we tend to follow for his analysis, he put a
tweet out where he said, I've never seen so much disinformation
on the issue of Palestine in Israel. What he meant was, is I've
never seen so much pro Palestinian content on my page. So you can
imagine how many people are now being exposed to that. So the
question and I'll reframe your question slightly, what should we
be showing the world, we should be showing the world that the
Palestinians are human, that they are mothers and children and
fathers with aspiring dreams like everybody else, and that they're
being slaughtered simply because Israel believes it has a 1000 year
old claim on a piece of land? And I think that's what's breaking the
narrative. And we're seeing the global shift in public opinion.
And I have I have a burner account on Twitter, where that allows me
to look at these things without being able to reply right away.
But it's like you said, the average Joe, even in the United
States, and all these fake accounts and regular people there,
the longer this war goes on, the more educated they're getting on
the issue. So in the beginning, you saw people posting stuff like,
Hey, what's going on over there, or they're added again? Well, now
or two and three weeks in, the same people have bothered now to
look up history of Palestine look up origin of the Israeli state,
and they're actually this, in a sense, it's backfiring badly upon
Israel, the more people are getting educated, that Israel is
not a state, a country like Ecuador, Bolivia, like a regular
old country that has been around for hundreds of years, is a
country that, you know, came into being with controversy came it
came into existence through a Nakba, or a desert, what was
called the great catastrophe came into being by British hence, right
putting it in and came into being through refugees, as we mentioned
before you came on because is in fact, 70% refugees, the people of
Gaza all came out the throught from the Nakba, and moved in and
on this live stream itself. One of the things we're trying to do is
the ABCs. The 101. What is the history of Israel? What is the
history of Palestine? What is the Nakba, for example, what is the
1948? Borders? How, who was
Theodor Herzl, what were the ideas going on? In the 1900s, that led
to the existence of the state. So the people on the ground, on one
hand, they're catching up to history, and a lot of these guys,
especially a lot of the right wingers, this is their first rodeo
on Palestine in Gaza, the people who got activated politically,
through Trump, these guys who are very outspoken online, and are
very much America first, this is their first time actually truly
getting exposed to this type of thing. True. So if the narrative
is being changed across the board, even really in the United States,
although the establishment is not budging on it, but I want to shift
now to another subject, which is the Arabs and normalization? Is
this just going to be a bump in the road? And then 12 months from
now we're back to normalization? Or is this actually a bigger halt
and a bigger pause, and a bigger
crack in the movement of normalizing relations between
Israel and Arab countries?
I think that
the reality is that when you look at the stances of the Muslim
countries towards what's happening today, in Gaza, you can see it
very clearly that they're being very careful not to offend
Netanyahu. Erdogan, for example, has this gas pipeline that he
wants to build in the Mediterranean. And he's concerned
that this economic corridor that was announced at the G 20 summit
in India, two months ago, last month, is going to go India, it
crosses a little bit of the sea, then UAE, Saudi, Jordan, Israel,
and then goes into Europe, he's worried that will completely
transform the economic nature of the region, and that he's trying
to convince the Israelis not to go through Saudi and UAE, but to go
through Turkey instead. And that's why Erdogan has been quite
unprecedentedly quiet and not as loud as he has been in the past on
ISRAEL PALESTINE. The Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman
initially appeared to buckle for those who've been following Saudi
over the past few years, you will notice that the statements
official statements on Palestine tend to start omitting the word
colonize and occupation. And in one statement, we even saw Israel
being used between quotation marks where the Saudis were it was an
upgrade from occupation but the Saudis would say we're not
recognize them because it's in quotation marks. We saw the Saudi
Crown Prince buckle in the in the first few hours of October 7, when
he went back to referring to them as an occupying power. We saw him
lift restrictions on dua for Palestine that were entrenched
during Ramadan when Imams were told to stop making a lot of dua,
and some of them were sacked for making dua for Palestine the first
place that haram started making dua for Palestine again, which
show
For a lot of people as well, but equally we're seeing that the
Saudi Crown Prince for those who followed his speech at the Riyadh
summit with Asian countries of Malaysia and Indonesia, two days
ago, in a speech five minutes long, he dedicated exactly 32
seconds to the issue of what's happening in Gaza. He called it
violence, not an escalation or a conflict or the like. He didn't
mention Israel by name, nor did he condemn Israel. And he also while
he mentioned the 1967 borders, he didn't condemn Israel, which
implied that the Muslims would say, oh, Bin Salman now is now to
buy 96 Seven borders, whereas yesterday he was saying I just
want to make their life easy. But the Israelis would say he didn't
condemn us. So clearly, there's a messaging over there, the UAE is
giving 20 million in aid, while simultaneously blaming Hamas and
blaming the Palestinians for what happened on October 7. The reason
I mentioned all of these various different stances is to show that
for the Muslim nations and the regime's their belief is that
Netanyahu will win this round that the Palestinians want to achieve
too much, that Netanyahu will still be a power and no one wants
to offend Netanyahu. And that's why the Americans and some of them
the head of the Foreign Affairs Committee in Congress today, he
actually said that normalization is not of the cause that the
Saudis still wanted. And the reason the Saudis still want it is
because for them, they want the Americans to protect them from
Iran and Iranian proxies, the Houthis they fired on the Saudi
Aramco in 2019. And take the Iran Iraq hash the shabby loyal to Iran
fired rockets at the Royal Palace in Saudi Arabia in 2021. You the
Houthis filed missiles towards Jeddah when Formula One was being
held for the Saudi Crown Prince, the offer of a NATO style security
agreement with the Americans nuclear technology to develop
nuclear capabilities, and also a public American affirmation so
companies will come and build vision 2030 as well today, the
Saudi Crown Prince while Gaza Burns has announced the opening of
the World Cup of the video game tournament and has affirmed that
this will play Saudi Arabia now will Allah tell him that the
center of the video game industry in the world and this is part
division 20 going forward? When you see archives newspaper Saudi
Arabia's national newspaper, you would assume like Kuwait and Oman,
for example, that the front page would be plastered all over it
with addresses and with Philistine instead, we have half of the page
about economic development, a quarter of the page about
something King Salman said and we have on the bottom right hand
corner, a picture of Gaza destruction but to focus on Gaza
it so we saw Al Arabiya the Saudi channel for example, three days
ago, host pilot Michelle of the hemisphere Politburo and the
presented goes in on him, she goes into burn him. Why did you do
this? Why did you now you brought disaster on the Palestinians. You
brought disaster on the Gazans. All of these are messages and
indications at least from Saudi Arabia and Turkey and the UAE,
that normalization will hold that will maintain our relations with
Israel, we want good ties. And this is just a blip in the
process. Once things calm down, we'll go back towards
normalization of ties. And there are actually Saudi commentators
who are now pitching the idea on social media, that bin Salman
could normalize ties with Israel in exchange for de escalation, or
in exchange for Netanyahu allow or not annexing the West Bank or
Gaza. And then the Muslim world will say that the bin Salman
intervened and rescued the Palestinians from certain
destruction. But I think the direct answer to your question is
there are no indications that suggest that there will be a
revision of normalization. There are no indications that Morocco
will reverse ties, as it did in 2000 when the Intifada happened,
and it closed the Israeli office this time, the Americans are
content with the statement. So the like, and I think the Americans
have received enough signals from Saudi Arabia, in particular, and
from Erdogan, that really, really we just want this issue to be
finished and to go away. And I think that's why the direct answer
to the question is, I think that once this finishes, there's still
a very real prospect for normalization of ties between
Saudi Arabia, and the US particularly you see, Bin Salman
become more comfortable now of the initial fear of public opinion.
And beginning now to try to tell people tell us, that's enough now.
But let's, let's focus on my wonders of vision 2030. So just to
go off of that, one thing that stood out to me this time around
in the discourse that we see from Blinken, and others and Biden, and
you see more discussions around a permanent solution. So they say,
you know, to the Palestinians aspiration to a two state solution
are to have their own state, and that we need to see this happen. I
was surprised that they were even speaking about it this early.
So what you know, do you see that that's a difference in this course
from past
wars on hodza. And what do you think that means?
I think that in public, the Americans are shouting about
unwavering support for the Israelis. But I think that behind
the scenes the Israelis are concerned
And that Biden is not entirely on board with what Netanyahu is doing
that Biden is playing this very awkward balancing act where he
doesn't want to lose control of Netanyahu by condemning him
publicly. But he's doing what he did in 2021, where he would hound
them about needing to see a strategy written on paper. And in
2021, it ended because Biden picked up the phone and said,
times out, you've run out of space, I can no longer hold this
position in order to support you. I think that a lot when you look
at for example, here in the UK, Kier Starmer, the head of the
opposition party came out and said that Israel has a right to cut off
electricity and water in violation of international law after a
public backlash from the Muslims and the Muslims party. And there
was an emergency meeting held by the party during the nighttime,
where the Chief of Staff warned that the royal Muslim bloc, which
is a sizable blocks for the Labour voting bloc was turning away from
labour Kier, Starmer started rolling back on that statement. I
think even with the White House when it came out and said Biden
had lied and didn't see any images of beheaded babies. I think that
even inside the White House itself one publicly there's a unified
stance, I think inside collarbones shatter there is a lot of division
between the men in terms of how they should proceed and like. So I
think that when we hear statements of two state solution, and then I
think that that's the crack starting to show that the
spillover from the divisions that are there, underneath those, and
that's why I think that those divisions are brought about by
social media, which is why and I always tried to emphasize this
point that people shouldn't underestimate the power that they
have to actually bring about change in terms of raising their
voice. And I do think this is an Islamic principle, first and
foremost, particularly when you consider that the Prophet Muhammad
Sallallahu sallam said believe one yellow area, the point had been
advanced the cause even if it's just by saying a verse, In other
words, just even if you say something, it has an impact. I
think that applies here. And I think a lot of the cracks even in
the European Union, we're seeing Spain be very loud about how angry
it is, with one delay in the EU Commission president's unwavering
stance with Israel, we saw Joseph Burrell, who is to put it simply
head of foreign policy for the EU tele press conference, that one
Delaine does not represent the EU position on Israel, and that we
don't support Israel, in terms of unwaveringly and the light. I
think that all of these cracks suggests that when you see these
statements in diplomatic language, when you see these concessions
statements to say solution and the light, it's basically a message to
say that there's something not right here and we need something
to happen. We can't say it publicly. But we're going to say
through this particular language, I think there's a lot of
difference. It's true. I finish on this point. It's true that, you
know, people might hear and say loads of people are dying. You're
talking as if there's, you know, like in Faraj, there's something
coming on the horizon. That's going to, but but I think that
within the complexities of what's happening, there's a lot of
difference between the Americans and the Israelis. And I think
Netanyahu believes that there's a certain window that he has to
launch the grand invasion. And that's why I think he may not
succeed in it.
You mentioned the importance of everyone's voice. There are voices
speaking from an Islamic perspective, and from a strategic
perspective, that are hesitant on denouncing normalization we know
shift bin baya stated that this is not something for the this is
something for the heads of state only to decide because they have
knowledge that we don't have, in so many words. This is what he
said.
We have also another commentator saying that
this is Shahid Bolson, who is the controversial speaker, but he has
clips that are watched her out all over the world. There is no way
around this fact without normalization, you're basically
guaranteeing that Israel will only ever be accountable to the United
States. And the Arabs and Muslims will never have any leverage. Part
of why you're against against this is your hatred for Israel
justified, he says. And the other part is hatred of our own regimes,
which I have argued time and time again is is only in the interests
of the West. He says perhaps you can start understanding how and
why this is your stance is nothing but guaranteeing Western hegemony
and Muslim helplessness. But you call that more the morally correct
position. So here we have someone saying that strategically, Arabs
would have some leverage over Israel if they normalized.
I have an opinion on this, but I want to first hear your opinion. I
want to hear shit headwinds opinion on this normalization as a
strategy to have leverage over Israel.
First of all, I will highlight shad moss and has a one hour and a
half critique of my opinion on normalization of ties. For anybody
who wants to listen you can find it as well. I think that Allah
Subhana Allah Allah says in the Quran, yeah, you already know him
and Aarthi Allahu Akbar Allah so Allah Allah Allah Merryman come,
but he finishes that part with for interfaith intent as atom fishy
and for those who in Allahu Rasool in quantum took me known Abdullah
he went to Malacca. Delica final lesson will tell you Oh, you
Believe obey Allah and the Prophet and those who rule from amongst
your dose of authority amongst you, but in the event that you
disagree with one another who is disagreeing here, it's the ruler
and the people being rude and Lavina Ave, not Helen Henley will
not the elite of the society. Allah is saying Alina Ave and the
ruler which means there are instances where the ruler will do
something that we cannot fathom and we cannot appreciate. Allah
doesn't say in this case, see to only lamrim and concede to those
who have authority over you. Allah says we will do who will Allah he
will Rasul go back to the Quran and the Sunnah. In other words,
the it's decided not in favor of the authority but in favor of what
is correct in the Quran and the Sunnah. And that's what Abu Bakr
Siddiq meant when he said Kawi Mooney that correct me pressure me
to take the correct course Allah subhanaw taala himself has said
that the basis of the argument that we follow the rules on the
basis that they no better is a false premise that the Quran
itself blows out obliterates that argument in and of itself. Allah
has also ordained on every person that they're able to identify have
converted, and Allah has put the onus on everybody to try to fix
it. Rasulullah sallallahu sallam said Mara, I mean c'mon Karan
Feluda you will be there he said mera min calm Who amongst you sees
amonkar Notman Betty C'mon Karan who sees among you from the elite
something that is one can let him change it with his hand, let him
go out and exert effort to change the wrong with his hand and if he
cannot, because the one in authority has too much power, then
with his tongue let him denounce it let him condemn it, let him get
pressure let him try and earn a you know, sit with the doctor shed
in Missouri and talk about it so people are aware of the bunker and
the light so they can make a difference and change public
opinion. And if they cannot let them condemn it in his heart, and
that's the weakest of faith. So Allah has made on the Prophet SAW
Selim has made the resistance to all forms of oppression regardless
of who does it has made it incumbent on the moment and going
to the third stage of authority we've done Quran we've done sunnah
April Khaldoon said a Landrieu assassin want justice is the
foundation of dominion will former Muslim Behera belong Ron
oppression destroys a civilization and it will take me a stress the
point of justice so much that he said that Allah will allow a state
that doesn't believe in him to survive as long as it's just but
will not tolerate an Islamic state that is oppressive for Allah
allows justice to exist to shirk, but does not tolerate Islam to
exist with oppression, Allah believes to be too heinous a
crime. When people talk about the idea of power as a share had
Bolson alludes to in his video. And in this tweet, that
normalization can bring benefits. So the light, anybody who opens
suit at Hood, for example, in the Quran, we'll see that Allah
doesn't describe the people of items and mood as people who are
weak as people who are economically in poverty or the
like, that I do want to eat on my dad to a man and let him walk me
through half will be learned. They will people who built
extraordinary things economically, and they will people have great
strength, but Allah destroyed them, he destroyed them, because
Allah is not looking for the economic prosperity, and as much
as he's looking for the justice, and we're the people who will
stand with the justice, despite the odds that are against them.
And that's why I think that when I go back to your question, in terms
of, you know, don't go against authority and normalization might
benefit to the like, the reality is that normalization, in the
words of the Israeli ambassador himself, to the United Nations, in
the same meeting, when Netanyahu held up that map of the region
where he's erased Palestine completely from the map. And then
he celebrates normalization with Saudi Arabia and says, it will be
the greatest deal since the end of the Cold War. The Israeli
ambassador told can television that Israeli television, they
asked him, they said, will your right wing government accept
normalization of ties with Saudi Arabia? He said, normalization
with Saudi Arabia means the complete Arab abandonment of the
Palestinians. And when the government realizes this, they
will accept it, I understand the need to try to be politically
nuanced, in terms of what we have people tried to talk about example
of how they appear. They tried to talk about the example Abu Jandal
when he tried to come back to Medina and the process, LM told
them, I've signed a treaty, you have to go back, I get it, but I
don't think it applies here. I do think that the reason why and the
final point and apologies for going on a bit on this, but the
final point that's worth mentioning is here. If the
situation was like who they be, or where the Muslims lack the power
to impose themselves and therefore sign the treaty, would they be
perhaps there might be room to discuss this possibility. But the
reality is that Saudi had when when the Canadian ambassador
criticized Saudi human rights, Bin Salman kicked out the Canadian
ambassador and added job he said, we're not we're not a banana
republic. When Biden called bin Salman a pariah bin Salman started
rigging, increasing the oil price. And he forced Biden to go to him
in Jeddah and plead for a reset in relations when Biden started
antagonize
I think bin Salman, Bin Salman invited the Chinese Ji Jinping and
gave them contracts to say to the Americans, you want to treat me
like that. Let me show you what happens to anyone who disrespects
me. So when you insult bin Salman, he deploys his leverage against
the Americans. And he makes them rush to him to tell him please,
please, we'll make concessions. But when it comes to Philistine he
is not willing to exert the same leverage. When Erdogan wants to
spite the Americans, he invites the Russians. And he made the
American scramble and said they're sent the head of CIA send their
secretary of state send the vice president sent John Bolton to
Ankara to plead with him not to deploy his power and leverage in
favor of his interests. And they make concessions and everyone gets
those concessions, and Dugan uses that leverage for his own
interests, but he's not willing to deploy it for Palestine. In other
words, the final sentence is this. The Muslim countries have the
power to force the Americans to rein in the Israelis, but they
choose not to. So when you argue that normalization with Israel
might bring benefits, yes, see the use the power you have now. And
when that fails data, let's talk about the idea of normalization.
But you haven't even tried yet. And that's why I reject the
suggestion. Don't let them out of Syria. I like what you said about
and I hope someone clips this out for him as a response, the whole
clip, but they have the power. They don't use it. On top of that.
Israel and the West. Israel is not a subservient creature to American
demands, it seems that Israel is driving America, not the other way
round. So the assumption that Israel would even bend towards,
towards those who they're normalized with is also a faulty,
faulty assumption because America is far more powerful than the
Arabs will ever be. And yet Israel is not an obedient creature to to
America. Yeah, they've disrespected the United States
many times, there are hot mic moments many times in which
Israeli speakout Prime Ministers have spoken against the Americans,
Americans frustrated with Israelis, not listening to them,
not consulting them before they do major things. So it's not even
that America itself cannot rain in Israel, let alone Arabs come
together. And we have a normalization deal, as if now you
have a polite neighbor, who's gonna want to make sure the fence
is mended. And we're all getting along. So I think this is a very
strange, it's a very strange take to imagine from a guy who pretty
much he's very politically in tune with things. It's a very strange
take and one that from the shadow EU perspective, and from the
strategic perspective,
I don't see any room for it.
Yeah, but my point, I was just going to make one point here,
everybody concessions on Google because the statement was made
three months ago, the UAE ambassador to Washington was in at
a think tank. I think it's kind of Gil Brookings, I'm not sure. But
you can find it use the federal table, the UAE ambassador is
talking asked about normalization and whether the Abraham accords
have achieved anything for the Palestinians. And he says and I
quote, he says that we've been unable to leverage any influence
over the Israelis with regards to the Palestinian issue. And when
and remember, the UAE brought Bahrain and Sudan and Morocco to
Tel Aviv to get the it was the UAE that pushed them as a gift to say
we can bring it usable Otaiba says that now it's no longer our
responsibility. We leave that to the future nations that normalize.
But let me tell you how many flights now there are between Tel
Aviv and Abu Dhabi, and how great our economic ties are. So even the
premise that they would be able to leverage that influence. Netanyahu
is not stupid. He knows that they're coming because they want
Washington. And even when you see the way he bombed Egypt today, and
the Egyptians can't even react. Netanyahu knows he's telling them
we know you're unpopular with your people. We know you can't stand up
on your own without American help. Don't try to come to me and try to
leverage anything. Yeah. So when it comes to normalization, which
we call Takbeer. Right? normalization, when I spoke to my
Messiah on this, especially shots where he said that the Hohokam
Muslims are It's haram, like Jews, it's not permissible, right? And
then you come to is it possible in with Messiah and manifested if you
wait them out? Can there be a fatwa for a specific point in
time, that is theoretically possible, however, this is going
to be based off of
a guru formula BISAZZA, Allah, Allah and this the last one I want
to focus on is the lack of Takbeer of normalization. That means the
consequences or the the future consequences of it, right. So when
we see what are so we need to speak about what does
normalization mean, and we can put that to the side for now, but what
are the consequences of normalization? Right, we need to
analyze that we need to that needs to be part of the discussion. And
we don't need to look far. Yeah, Netanyahu was at the UN a few
months ago, speaking about what that means for him. Right? He said
that he's going to bypass you know, we, of course, these are all
lies, right? And and I'm not quoting this to agree with him,
but he's saying he said
We've tried to do peace with the Palestinians for so many years,
and it didn't work. So I have a different idea. Let's bypass the
Palestinians and go to our other neighbors and have peace with
them. And then they have no choice but to accept what everyone else
has done. He flipped over his board. And he showed Israel as a
full the full shooting rasa including the Westbank annex,
basically, right with no mention of a Palestinian state at all.
Right, and Allahu Allah and what He has planned for the Palestinian
people. So we know what the Malla we know what the consequences are,
they've said it. And we also know it, as a semi pointed out from the
Abraham Accords, what it has been, yeah, right. And so and so unless,
you know, I think it's more probable than not that this is
only going to lead to a situation getting much worse, not getting
better. And this there's also a buying of time type idea for, for
Israel, because you have this concept of the right to return for
Palestinians who are refugees who are out well, the longer that this
protracted, the longer that this goes on. Yeah, right, the more I
don't want to say useless. But the more needed that this is because
as Palestinians and other countries, few generations past,
they have no connection. So by the time you give them that, right,
yeah, you know, who's coming back. So this is, these are some things
that we need to think about, you know, that pro normalization, so
doesn't seem to care about it. No, but but also just just you
mentioned them being by name as well, I will just throw out as
well that I understand the anger at a lot of the scholars who are
seeming to be justifying these things or the like. But I would
also like to remind also the viewers that the IMA that they
love in history, my Maliki men and women are hand Berlin, and these
others, and Imam, Abu Hanifa. These were scholars who were
tortured for their opinions, they were beaten, they suffered a lot
for the opinions that they expressed or the like a scholar,
the punishment that the scholar gets for going against the ruler,
is not that he gets a slap on the wrist and he goes home, they face
very serious, dangerous consequences. And often, what they
have to think about before they speak out is not what you have to
think about, I can tell you from experience is terrifying planning
of flight route, and trying to make sure you don't go over the
airspace where there might be an emergency landing, and they might
take you off the plane. I mean, we have a friend that happened to him
flying back from Khartoum, to Turkey and the Egyptians made the
plane landsec dragged him off the plane. And we haven't heard from
him in about eight, nine months or the like he's disappeared. So I do
think that for the scholars also, it's worth worth remembering that,
look, I'm not justifying it. But I'm saying that when people say
how can a scholar come out and say this? It's because it's not easy
to tolerate the dark prisons of a lot of these regimes. Yeah,
there's pressure on on on Arab scholars, and for a long time,
it's been like this.
I want to now shift to the metaphysical element of things.
It seems like the Arabs, states, Turkey, you mentioned Erdogan,
they've essentially abandoned the people. And, yes, maybe they may
in their mind, it's a small little strip smaller than the state of
New Jersey.
2 million people. But it's a test. It's a test. We're being tested by
those through those people are ones position towards those
people, it's part of their test. And I can't imagine metaphysically
this going away, this betrayal is not going to go away. I believe
that this betrayal, it has to come back upon you. Madhava metalphoto
Floods NDFP walk off, of course, the Arabs did not try it. The
saying is whoever digs a hole for his brother falls into it. Of
course, the Arabs didn't dig the hole for for Gaza. But they see it
they have ability, there is ability to do things. Good. But
you mentioned you gave evidence of Arabs of Erdogan have been said
Man, actually flexing their muscle and scaring the American into you
know, running to them for meetings. We have ability,
but there's no effort, there's nothing being done for them. I
fear that this group of people is going to be the tests that
determines the fate of that region in the future. And all I could
really foresee is this calamity, in some way, shape and form coming
back on the region. Allah knows best in the form of some kind of a
war in the some form of some kind of catastrophe.
Life can't go on with oppression like this, that oppression, you
put it out in the air, it has to come down is not disappearing.
like Einstein said energy is not born or destroyed. Or a disappear.
It has to come back. Right? It's every action that we take is a
boomerang, that's going to come back and I fear for all the states
who are doing this, that their people are going to be the ones
who suffer the most because when a when the hacking when a ruler does
something, the good and the bad result of that comes back to the
people. Right.
What are your thoughts on the metaphysical element of this that
I do?
Just can't see this passing by and life being, yeah, life may be
normal in the decades to come. But eventually, this abuse has to come
back this oppression and abandonment of the people of Gaza,
it's got to come back to I think it's very difficult to and I think
this is more in, in brother Sammys domain on what is going to happen,
where it's the effects of things. But I think it's hard to predict
sometimes what is going to happen as far as for, for the people, the
general people themselves.
The general people themselves as Messiah, like Chef and Maria and
others, senior Messiah
have said that, you know, Allah Subhanallah, the eye of the Quran
that Allah will not change the condition of the people until they
change change themselves. So you know, in addition to all of the
things that we're doing practically the tying your camel
part, you cannot forget that this a by the side living in accordance
with Allah, Sharia has to be part of it as well. So I think this,
this, the point that brother Sammy made earlier about the scholars
who are closer, closer to the Hakim, this is something that
you know, when you think about it, a lot of times, if you think of
yourself, if you are in the positions of some of these, these
high positions of the rulers, and the scholars and so on, how would
you act? Well take a look to your own life. And take a look at how
you act in your own life, when you see something wrong happening, are
you someone who's facilitating it or standing against it. So if it's
something in your own life without immediate consequences, you cannot
stop, then imagine if you were in these positions, you might be even
worse. So it's important that we not just always shift blame and
focus on ourselves, in addition to doing the you know, because you
have some people who take that to an extreme, don't do anything,
just stay at home and do a bad and nothing else as if, you know, all
of this other these other things with the correct knee is not a bad
as if it's a correct intention. But the other side cannot be it
has to actually be the foundation of it. Like the ultimate
Reliance has to be on Allah subhanaw taala. And then what
comes after it's true, we we can't You can't necessarily judge
somebody who's in a position yet at the same time. There are many
ultimate,
there are many people, like they become a Hoja. If we see a
pattern, right? And if it rarely is a person in a unique situation,
right? So for example, if you if you know how to live in the United
States without being an alcoholic, right? Many Muslims live in the
United States and they never drink, right? So nobody could come
and say, Hey, I'm in America, you don't know what it's like. Right?
And I have an excuse. Right? So other people become a Hoja for or
against. And we can compare.
You know, of course I don't, I'm not supposed to speak right now
about a specific person, but the concept that, oh, you never know
what the situation they're going through. That's true. But you're
not the only person living in that environment. We can compare you to
other people. Other Imams, some Imams left, some Imam stayed
silent, some Imams at least just pulled out of the political sphere
altogether. So we have to look at our peers sometimes are the Hoja
against us, right? I remember Muhammad Zakaria, the calligrapher
in Washington, DC. He was talking somebody's out we really it's
really hard to become a calligrapher here in America. And
this person was an Arab. And he said, Why are you saying this art?
I'm a non Arab speaker. If you want it, you can do it. Um, the
proof, he's using himself, he's a convert. I'm the proof. So
likewise, all of the peers of a generation are the proof for or
against a person because they suffer in the same political
climate, the same country, the same desires, the same era, okay.
And if they're avoiding it, then they become the example. All
right, any final comments or questions for our brother, Sammy
Hamdi?
I think that one of the things that I wanted to mention on the
point that you mentioned, but the metaphysical aspect, I think that
often Muslims can forget that their their lives are part of a
long tapestry of history where Allah subhanaw taala has always
been in control. I think that sometimes when we use suggest that
it will come back on the people, but I actually think it will come
back on the regimes and here's what I mean. I think that what the
regimes are more concerned about is that over the last 90 years,
the OMA has really made huge gains. I think when you think that
90 years ago, only 90 years ago, the French were officially in
Algeria, the British were officially in Egypt, when flat
when the un un was writing after World War Two when France was
liberated from Nazi Germany. They wrote the charter every man is
born free. France celebrated in Paris and massacre 1000s of
Muslims in Algeria who took to the streets, but the OMA didn't stop.
They kept pushing and kept pushing and Algerians who were infinitely
inferior in military terms to the French still managed to drive out
the French out of Algeria. 17 years later, they made the world
impossible they made colonization, impossible to continue in the
world, Allah subhanaw taala decreed that outcome despite the
difference in strength between the Algerians and between the
French and then we continue through this period we get to the
Arab Spring, where ordinary people my father is originally from
Tunisia, my mother's Algeria. But I'm from Sidi Bouzid, the
hometown, my father, my ancestral home. Mohammed Boise's is from the
village next door. No one would have thought anyone in Sidi Bouzid
around downtown would spot the Arab Spring, the OMA brought down
authoritarian regimes that brought down these invincible regimes. So
I think that why why do we think the regimes are acting from a
position of strength? I always argue that there are the acting
from a position of panic that the world and the global shifts that's
taking place is one in which the Muslims are showing a propensity
for bringing about global change, even if they don't like the way
that it's happening, or the turbulent process. And that's why
for me personally, I always say the Quran as a political book is
the best way to learn political analysis. You read surah to hood,
for example, and Allah subhanaw taala tells you about all the
prophets who could not convince their people. The Prophet Muhammad
Sallallahu Sallam managed to succeed in taking his people to
Mecca. But think politically, he wanted the greatest success for
Tameka, but political analyst at the time still thought Mecca
Medina were backwater areas not worth conquering. But it was the
greatest success because of what it meant and what he left behind.
And Allah defined the success of the Prophet Hamza Salman, and make
the epitome of Mecca. Ibrahim Ali Salam never saw his progeny, but
he was promised that it would be like the stars. He never saw it
but Allah honored him with it and considered success. Lute al Islam
had an area which used to be wielding me when I was 1718 years
old, and trying to read political books, follow Anneli become covert
and Oh, are we in Conan shady? When his people come to try to
oppress him, he says if only I had the power and a strong
reinforcement to push you back, he's he cries out in the area
acknowledging I don't have the power. In the same way
Palestinians are saying I don't have the power to drive back the
Israelis but Allah is the One who intervenes and destroys his people
and rescues them. And that's why I think that when you're looking at
the way the situation is today, I think the best area to describe it
would be when Allah says woman I'd rather hear that our Salah has
saya who are moving on forget for Allah he can kind of say to whom
much Cora not the result of the say the striving because Allah is
saying here that yeah to to share the SME Yes. You Haroon. Yeah,
everybody who's listening, I alone decide the outcome. I decide how
we should be. I decide the course of events, I decide what succeeds
and what doesn't succeed. Your choice is not as in the outcome,
Allah will not consult us in it. Your choices in whether you want
to strive and use the powers Allah has given you to try to bring
about that change. And you may not live to see the success. But if
you strive Allah, thanks. It's like, whoa, like you can say you
homeschool. My grandfather was a Mujahid who fought the French, he
used to tell me that my generation was about securing liberation.
Your generation is about building from there. I don't want you to be
fighting my fight, I want you to go forward. And that's what how
the OMA should see itself in terms of going forward. And that's why I
think that I always think Muslims should flip the narrative. The
reason regimes are panicking, is because the OMA broke
colonisation. from bottom up. It wasn't a top down affair. Its
ordinary Muslims took to the streets and made colonization
impossible. Then ordinary Muslims toppled the vincible regimes. The
panic is that an old man that believes itself to be weak, is
that actually has the capacity to be strong, that an OMA that thinks
it's incapable is actually very capable, but doesn't know it, nor
does it appreciate its potential to be capable. And that's why I
think that even with this Palestinian issue, and I'll finish
on this point, Netanyahu is not bombing Gaza, because he believes
that Gaza should be pounded. He's bombing Gaza, because he's
terrified that what's happened now is that last week, we were saying
the Palestinian cause is dying. Today, it's roaring in all four
corners of the earth. There are protests in New York, in London,
in Paris, in Berlin, in Rome, in Malaysia and Pakistan in Africa.
There are protests everywhere, everybody suddenly believes that
the Palestinians are still alive. Bloomberg has on its front page
four or five days ago, where it says that normalization without
talking to the Palestinians is finished now Netanyahu has sold us
a fallacy they're saying that we can't go back to how we were
before and that's not because of the regime's that's because of the
ordinary OMA the ordinary people mobilizing and making that
difference when Israel sits with the heads of social media to share
the and they're trying to limit hashtag Palestine or the like.
They're not trying to limit government campaigns. They're
trying to limit the ordinary people like Shi Haroon from going
onto Twitter and actually tweeting it because it messes with the
algorithm and promotes the pro Palestinian content. They coming
after the OMA the the represses on oppressors know the value and
strength of this OMA even if the OMA doesn't know it itself, and
that's why I'd rather finish on this point. You suggested it will
come back on the people but I think the regimes are terrified it
will come back on them that Allah who will punish them through the
people just as He punished the colonizers, just as He punished
Ben Ali in Tunisia, just as he pointed
Mubarak in in in Egypt, they're worried that there's something
coming for them as well. And with and if you look at the trajectory,
I do think there's a lot to be grateful for, and a lot to be
optimistic for, even if perhaps is not the way we want it. If this
army is not running, then at least it's walking. If it's not walking,
at least it's crawling, but the OMA is moving forward. And I'm
really glad to share and I think here is a very good example. I'm
in London, the UK, you're in the US. There are brothers in Malaysia
too, and you're in contact with all of them. The OMA today's it's
lovely the way that all these initiatives are being pieced
together to help to amplify the voice you are in one lane I was in
another lane. Today Allah has brought upon us together tomorrow,
he'll bring me another pass. Allah is dictating the outcome because
we chose to strive. So Allah has bringing the efforts to get and
piecing it, because the outcome and victory belongs to him. But
the battle and struggle belongs to us and what an honor it is to be
part of this struggle. I love the optimism here. And they the idea
that we have to have belief, it all starts with belief. I was
speaking the other day with with with people that
Israel itself, when you look back at its history, it starts with
words. It starts with pain. And it starts with words. And it starts
with words from regular people. Theodor Herzl was not some
diplomat, he was not a ruler of any sort. He was a journalist, a
journalist, alright, he was a journalist that didn't really have
much of a name to himself, he was a novelist. But he was a guy who
had belief, you have to admit, you have to give credit where credit
is due, he had belief and he had a big vision. And what I'm seeing
here, if you look at if you have any pattern recognition, anywhere,
the latter part of this century is going to belong to Muslims.
Because whenever a beginning of a century, takes a group of people,
and just sort of green lights, bullies them around the world from
pillar to post, and everyone is accepting of this bullying, and
every calamity and catastrophe in the world as Muslims, but yet
nobody cares. And nobody wants to do anything is permitted to do
this in the world right now. If you have pattern recognition, go
look at when this happens to other people, by the end of the century,
that pain has forged a will.
And a unity amongst that people that becomes unstoppable. That's
why I always tell people, the end scent of this century, what is
going to be very favorable for Muslims will be driving it, they
will be driving it, they will be driving the world by the end of
the century. Forged by all this pain. People say I will watch all
these videos and I feel like there's nothing I can do and I
can't do anything. Yeah, there isn't. That's part of the plant.
In Mecca, the Sahaba could not do anything except watch abuse for 10
years. Three years it was silent. Dawa. 10 years they were abused
and abused, ramped up for 10 years. All they could do is watch
Allah Tada did not allow them to do anything. But that watching
forged within themselves such a will, to put up a fight. And to
ask the question, Who are we what are we what is justice? What is
right what is wrong? And it Ford's within them such a willpower, they
became unstoppable. After that.
Go to the Germans they got humiliated in World War One. That
humiliation forged a willpower in a generation produced the Nazis.
Good. Morals aside, they were an unstoppable force for a period of
time. What the Nazis did in the Holocaust, and what the Russians
did with the pilgrims to the Jews. They gave them so much pain. And
all those Jews could sit back and watch and be victims and suffer.
What did it do? It forged a will within those people, they produce
a state of Israel, morals right and wrong aside, just look at the
pattern here. Okay. African Americans did it for centuries,
they were green light to do whatever you want to them. Now,
the culture of the youth, the culture of the world is driven by
African Americans, specifically African Americans, what comes out
of that culture is going to go to the rest of the world. No one
emits there's no form of music that goes that went that came from
China. Well, there's no Kpop but rap is something that's gone to
the whole world. Right, it for the pain forges a will. Pain forces
you to ask questions and pain forces you to now realize it's
going to take a lot to avoid this in the future. And I see that,
that Muslims are in that beginning of that trajectory. You can't do
anything. You just look at the pain but we can do something. And
that's what we talked about. It starts with talking. It starts
with tweet, it starts with changing public opinion.
That's what hurts will did. We talked about him last week,
extensively. What did he do? He talked, he talked, he talked, he
met with people he got the ball rolling on a political vision. He
didn't even know where to go. He's gonna go to Uganda one is going to
go to South America at one point, right? He didn't even know where
he was.
God, at the end of his life, he concluded on Palestine, right. And
then still the Western Jews left him off the stage. Yet he kept
talking and talking and talking and it became something now
Muslims are forming their political will. And that political
vision involves erasing all these borders and having an ummah that
is led by the Quran that is led by the Prophet salallahu alayhi wa
sallam, so nothing, and that has a vision for itself. And for the
rest of the world, not just ourselves. Right? Your leader,
Claire omits an outrageously Ness, your your leaders of the world,
for an environment, we have to have visions for these things. And
I think that we're seeing, we're in the beginning of it. And we're
going to start seeing that and towards insha. Allah when Mike,
when our kids,
when our kids are older, they'll be in those positions. And we'll
be like that 90 year old, you know, that was tells stories about
the past, and oh, you wouldn't believe it, people did whatever
they wanted to Muslims back in the day. Right. So now I'm gonna give
it to Sheikh Hassan for closing words. And then we will thank you
for your time, just echo okay, but let's have Shall I don't give us
your closing words. So I think in keeping all of this in mind, I
think it's anybody who looks carefully realizes that the
Palestinian issue is representative of so much more.
It's not just the Palestinian issue. And I think that's why
it causes so many people to move in a way that we don't see
happening for other places because of what it represents. And so I
think it's important that as each and every single one of us are
reading or listening to things or speaking, that we are constantly
reflecting, right, what is our message? What is our role going to
be? Because if you look at the spirit of the Prophet sallallahu
alayhi wa sallam, you see how fast Islam spread in a way that you
could say from the marches. And it's a miracle, how quickly the
message of Islam spread during the time of the Prophet salallahu
Alaihe Salam that the Prophet salallahu Alaihe Salam saw it in
his lifetime, and then it continued to grow after in a way
that was unprecedented, that this can only happen in the way that
the Prophet salallahu Alaihe Salam taught every single Sahabi to have
their message meaning what are they going to what is their
receta? What is their message in this world? How is their life
going to play in the spreading and so it's important that all of us
reflect and see it might not be obvious right now, I'm going to be
honest, when this all started, I was sitting in front of my screen,
it's difficult to work difficult to do anything difficult to read
difficult, because you're focusing on this but then after you start
thinking and reflecting you start to see things opening up okay,
this is kind of the role that I can play, whether it be a role in
front or behind the scenes or whatever it is, it does not have
to be something flashy, it can be something as simple as some people
seeing a
information that they find is very useful, and they have the skills
to be able to do graphic design for example, and they take the
most beneficial information summarized and put it in a image
that can be shared something as simple as that, but every single
person has their message has their thing that they can contribute to
the cause of the Ummah
and what have you bomber always says
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alright, the your your will that is inside your heart. Well know
whatever you do, it will come out into the world somehow you can't
underestimate it enough to like you said, kind of saw your home
mascara can Asako mascara, you your effort will be thanked by
Allah, which means rewarded by Allah Tada. And the end result is
with him. Regardless, it's going to happen. So you want to be a
shareholder in it or not. That's the only question. It's going to
happen either way. Brother, Sam, you we kept you for a long time.
You have very well spoken and Sheikh Hassan and I, we always
talk FIP and we talk evidence. You're a journalist, and you
showed what it means to bring journalistic evidence. Right, and
he's citing many
ambassadors saying this on this channel on this date. That's
journalistic evidence. So it was wonderful to hear that and it was
great to hear again the optimistic message about Muslims about the
future and about the situation just like Colombia and we hope to
talk again soon. Elijah Zeke Baraka lofi command good luck and
Dr. Shetty I've seen you in the past on these videos it's an honor
to be a male are all the efforts and keep elevating your shall mean
and you to borrow coffee
while I come sit down
all right, Masha, Allah, he was very well spoken. I did watch some
of his but not extensively. And it really did a good job. Michelle. I
think the one of the reasons why he he resonates with so many
people in the spreading is the way that he's telling everyone that
there is a role for you to play. Yeah, and I think that's very
important. I think a lot of people as I was saying before,
I like myself where? What am I going to do here from America in
exactly this defeated mentality, this mentality that believes that
the single individual is nothing. And I always look smaller, Henry
Ford changed the world. He changed how we live the Monday through
Friday work week was Henry Ford. Nine to five is Henry Ford. Right.
Just connecting the idea that the car was something was like a
private jet today. Only the rich had a car he came and said, Hold
on, why can't everyone have a car? Well, if everyone has a card that
alters everything now, a seller of hats I sell hats, I'm not selling
hats to 500 people. I'm selling hats now. 50,000 people can drive
to my store. He transformed everything, the men? And what was
the regular guy? The the Wright brothers, the Wright Brothers,
what did what did not not allow you to use them to completely
transform the world? What were they? What were they born smart?
Were they born into a science lab or something? No, they were
regular guys who came up with this crazy idea that you could actually
defy gravity, right? And they did it and they transformed the world.
So many people in the founding fathers were people who said, Hey,
we can make our own country here, right? So regular individuals,
they can't you, you're as weak as you believe yourself to be weak.
And you're as strong as you believe yourself to be strong. And
sometimes the people who are altered the world and change the
world are nothing other than the only people who believe themselves
capable. That's the only reason they do it is not they don't have
a different skill set. Different they still need to sleep eight
hours a day, right? They still need to do everything else that
they need to do that regular people do, but they believe
they're going to change the world. And we have to start having that
approach. We have to have that attitude. Right.
Everyone will be rewarded based on their intention. Yeah, right. At
the end of the day, you cannot determine the outcome of your
work. That's on Allah. Yeah. And the problem is if you think that,
you know, you don't want to do anything, because you don't see
what the outcome will be. Well, you had too much reliance on what
you can do your reliance on Allah you you can't see it, why would
you need to see it?
That ruins the fun. The fun of it is that I don't know where this is
going. But I'm shooting for the stars. I don't know where this is
go. I don't know what's going to happen next. Some people need the
whole staircase laid out before they go up the steps. In reality,
all you need to do is one step because that's all you could do
anyway. Whether you're not you see if there's 10 steps there are
there isn't either way you're only going one step right. So all you
need to see is the one step ahead of you and your imagination. Let
it
do the rest of the work.
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Rahim Welcome to the Sweet Society program
along with a coma Rajala Are you in London right now? I'm in
Birmingham, Birmingham okay Masha, Allah give us the update.
Because what's on the on the ground? What's happening?
So why don't I will? I'll start off with saying I was actually
doing some calculations and people like stats, statistics for
everything. And I was trying to work out just how many people have
died since the last 15 days of bombing of Gaza.
Subhanallah every hour
just over, you know, the how the stats worked out is 14.2 people
have been killed
in Gaza. So
the death toll at the moment is 5100, of which at least 2000 Are
children.
Over 1400 Are women,
the rest of our elderly and men?
You know, this is the, you know, 2023 for me will always be
remembered as the year where we can put our televisions on, or we
can put our tablets or mobile phones or whatever it is, and
actually watch genocide taking place. Subhanallah that's it's
it's, it's an insane thing is what social media is, it's an insane
thing. You're literally watching it, but this is what we can do.
Right? So tell us about the ambulances insha Allah so today
I've spent most of the day we sent a team of
mechanics.
Like many people, I can drive cars, but I don't know much about
cause of ads. So I've sent a team of mechanics to Germany and
Holland yesterday, they've spent the whole day they're going
through various different traders that sell
ambulances and fire trucks, we have sourced eight very good
ambulances and two fire trucks. Tomorrow, Inshallah, we will put
them through a full service even though they have been serviced
already, but we will do another service on them. And we will then
source extra parts, things like brake discs, time belts, service
kits, and things like this, two, three of those of which, once
we've done that, or the other team tomorrow are going to be sorting
out the paperwork side of things, getting them registered. So we're
able to get them out of Europe, sorting out insurance and all the
all the admin side of things. Inshallah, the idea is myself and
another team will then fly out on at some point on Wednesday, to
pick up those ambulances and fire trucks and drive them to the
turkey border with Bulgaria and inshallah hand them over to the
Turkish Red Crescent, who will clear these emergency response
vehicles into Gaza for us. We've been told inshallah this will be
cleared, it may take up to two weeks.
Obviously, as you've probably seen on your on the media and the
videos, we've been sending our majority of our Gaza team
in the times of conflict and war, they actually turned to frontline
paramedics. And there's a reason there's a reason for that shift
is, is because we don't obviously as you know, there's everyone's
been targeted to anyone could be killed. And there's a small
section that have got a skill set that can save people's lives. And
what we don't want to do is send doctors and paramedics out in
areas that have been bombed. So we want to keep them in the
hospitals.
Frontline drivers or paramedics will try get the injured people
and take them to the hospitals. And ultimately, everything gets
uplifted. So the paramedics almost become doctors, the nurses almost
become doctors, and some of the basic stuff that maybe you know,
cleaning and bandaging and things like that. ordinary civilians will
do so our aid workers currently our frontline paramedics at the
moment.
I feel like I'm talking to Shakira, hemos see if you must be
originally from Liverpool, is that right? Stuck for too long?
He just told you to say that.
You've got a record that um, do you guys have a rivalry or
something with Liverpool?
If there's any place in the world I don't like it's Liverpool.
That's crazy. But I bet you all these people on the stream,
they're going to tell us Yeah, this sounds like just like Sheikh
Ibrahim OCF was accents and Patil
is messaging you right now.
Take it up with him that.
Now, many people have been asking us since we've been showing your
the GRT rep in on the streets, because they're saying how is grt
doing it? Are you allowed to speak on how exactly what is the funnel
or the I can give you a broad
information? Look, we know that Gaza has been under a blockade for
the past 16 years. And the people we know Look, one of the things
that happens with Gaza is like a lawnmower effect. Every time it
grows. Israel comes and cuts the grass down. Yeah. So they know
every year every six months, every two years. There's the potential
of of bombings and war. So
So what you'll have is a lot of traders, warehouses, businesses
that will stock up on things that they can stock up on.
And obviously, this is where, you know, we specialize in conflict
areas that grt actually started as a result of the whole blockade.
And guys, our founders originally traveled to Gaza back in 2008 910,
and 12. And so our source of inspiration behind the charity has
been Gaza. So we've got obviously a good network, a good connection
with people there. And so we source out, and we've got the
relationship with those traders, because we've been working with
them for a number of years. So we are able to access certain things
that many others can't access. And, of course, what we try to do
is make sure that our people, you know, there's over, obviously a
million people who are internally displaced, but Of that million,
there are probably hundreds of 1000s, who have actually lost
everything. So, you know, as we know, there's been over 20,000
residential buildings that have been damaged or destroyed, of
which at least seven to 8000 have been totally destroyed. So it's
going to be a potentially seven to 8000 family homes have been
completely wiped out. And if those people were able to leave alive,
they would have absolutely nothing. So these are the priority
areas. We're trying to talk the in terms of helping those people
who've lost literally everything. So are there are there banks set
up there? Are their banks functioning there? One of the
things is there's there's no way you can send money into Gaza bank
to bank. Yeah, it has to be by hand, that has ways in terms of
example, there are legitimate businesses who we were again, this
is about based on trust, who are providing certain items, but they
have international banks, maybe in Jordan or and that's okay. So that
answers the question to many people. And the reason I'm saying
this asking this openly is because people genuinely wonder how are
you doing it? Right? So there is your answer for it. He's dealing
with merchants, businesses, established businesses into Gaza,
whether it's for bread for food, this business has banks
internationally. And funds are wired, okay? Because I can't tell
you how many times I'd see a brother in the masjid and say,
Hey, listen, this grt that is real, how you guys have a guy and
Reza, where's he getting the stuff from? Where it? How is the money
getting in? Right? So and I felt like it wasn't a question that if
I if we asked it here, people see how it works. They can emit they
could you know, get a picture that yeah, this is not nobody was
really doubtful, but just wondering, how is this? How is it
happening? So that's how it works. This is legitimate questions. And
of course, every person you know, you're you're going to be donating
from your
wealth, and you have every right. And subhanAllah we've been
inundated with questions about these kinds of things. How will
you do any that message? I'll say to people, you know, what, like,
this is the time to trust your brothers and sisters. Yeah. You
know, I know that might be a small minority of charities that have
maybe given all the charities a bad name. Yeah. But this is where
we basically don't look, there are many genuine charities who do not
have people on the ground and Plaza Hamdulillah, we probably
have about 20 Odd charities that are actually working with us,
meaning they actually given us the funds, we are doing distribution
for them. And you know, they using that platform, their contacts,
their networks to raise the money, and then handing it over to
another charity. And ultimately, at this at the time we do, we
should try trust the charities. And then the other thing that's
really important for people to understand is that look, not every
single penny that has been donated or raised is going to go to Gaza
right now. That is going to be a massive rebuilding exercise. And
inshallah we pray that this conflict, this war, this genocide,
whatever you want to call it, get stopped right now, you know,
there's nothing better for me to hear right now to have some sort
of international CGI announced. And once that's announced, you
know, we follow what the media hype is. And if tomorrow is an
earthquake in another part of the world, we'll be all focused on
that. So for me is we try to raise as much as we can now it doesn't
mean we're going to spend everything right now. We will
spend like, I'll give you an example, we sponsor around 400
orphans in Gaza. Now, it might be that we need to sponsor now 800
orphans and Plaza. And when we sponsor them, we sponsor them for
life. We're not just going to sponsor them for one month, we
will allocate funds to them throughout the year, there's going
to be people's homes that need rebuilding, there are hospitals
that need fixing that are, you know, we've had 23 ambulances that
have been destroyed. This is why we're trying to put our ambulances
back on frontline. There'll be other people's businesses, you
know, we might not have somebody who had he was above it, or who
had a book shop or whatever it is, they've died, their business has
been destroyed somehow, you know, so we either support the widows
and the families to continue with that business, or we rebuild that
family with that business because we want to do is that long term
sustainable project where they're not reliant on us to keep the
We mean that money we want them getting at least working for their
for their welfare not not giving us every year etc. So there is
that short term emergency urgent need. And that is a long term
objective of rebuilding unsustainable projects. Very good.
And here people are saying yes, I was wondering, say just says, Oh,
that explains it.
Purina says we trust you. We're just curious. Robbia says, Thank
you for asking the question. And I think that inshallah is going to
increase people's
donations, we're ready went up 600 pounds just in this interview.
Alright. 600 pounds. I'd like to ask the question of the the rubble
and the, the trash removal, because we're thinking about not
trash. It's Rubble, right? Cement, you see, like,
it just rushes Well, you know, yeah, because everything has been
stopped. There are people's, you know, waste product. Where is this
going? Yeah. Where, where's the there's, you're not calling a
plumber at this hour, right.
The biggest concern, one of the biggest concerns now is the
sanitation and the hygiene stuff. You know, there's not access to
clean water right now, people are drinking bad water, we already
know 97% of water in Gaza is polluted with sewage deliberately.
So that is going to be a long term health issues. And one of the
biggest concern is the spread of things like cholera and diphtheria
and stuff like that. And that's a major concern, a big problem.
And as soon as this conflict if it comes to an end sooner than later,
and then there's another earthquake, halfway across the
world, no one's going to think about Gaza. But they have to wake
up the next day, they have to do stuff, they have to live their
life.
Rubble and garbage needs to be removed, buildings need to be
rebuilt. This is going to take, you know, charitable efforts like
this. So what is the first thing that we're gonna that you plan on?
Do you have a plan for a specific location, for example, that you're
adopting? To clean it out and rebuild it? And the reason I'm
asking this question is because the more specific a causes, the
easier it is for an individual to relate to it. And I'm telling you,
when you were sending those footage, that footage back from
the ambulance, and that brother was sending the footage directly
to us and saying here, Safina society viewers, here is the you
know, bags of bread, here's the ambulance, right, that has such an
impact on everybody, because we get to see the person right there
in front of us. So what's the the plan for afterwards? Is there a
specific spot that you want to rebuild?
You know, on a normal disaster, we would have that at this stage
where things have been copied formed?
The need is everything. At the moment, I cannot say to you,
medicine, water, you know, food. Yeah. You know, whether it's
sanitation, you know, people's lives have been destroyed in every
aspect. As an organization, we want to make sure the first
priority is people have clean access to safe access to water.
This is a major priority because we cannot rebuild anything unless
people the population have been access to drink water, safe
drinking water, then there's an issue of rebuilding homes. I mean,
one of the things people forget is the size of iser Yeah, you know,
subhanAllah we had an incredible project in Ramadan just gone
Wallahi you know, it's one It's madness. We raised quite a
considerable amount of money to plant olive trees and Gaza.
Use of seawater I when I told him how many olive trees we need to
plant. He goes, hey, where do you want me to do it? Shall we do bunk
beds?
This short space of land? Yeah, how many? You know, guys are just
going to be full of olive trees. And Swan Allah we planted them.
And now do we think, you know, these olive trees will have to be
taken over where we build new homes, because this is you know,
that the fields that you've seen where people are sleeping, this is
one of the areas that we were building,
planting these olive trees. But suppose look, one of the focus
areas that we want to we want to do is the water, and you know, the
orphans and the widows project, because these are the things that
are things that are closest to us. These are the things that are most
rewarding. And these are the things that will lead to greater
good as well. Because if we can sort these things out, then
inshallah the other things will come about, look, we're not going
to be a charity. I mean, you mentioned the UAE giving 20
million pounds, which Alhamdulillah is considerable
amount of money by this grand scheme of things. It's, it's not
much, but I think this is where the big players will come in and
start rebuilding homes, etc.
But I think for us, what we need to focus on is, you know, for me,
I actually have three orphans that are sponsored in Gaza. So
I'm desperately trying to find out if my orphans I call them my
orphans, my children, I mean, one of the girls, she was born at the
same time as my son, she was born one week after my son. So I used
to say to the child's grandmother, you know, one day I would give
access to those and my son's gonna marry the, the orphan girls, you
know, we have a laugh on a job. I'm desperately trying to find out
if she's okay. You know, we do know that out of our orphans that
we sponsor at least around 35 to 40 have been killed somehow. And
as at the moment
it's a very difficult question to to answer. Ultimately, as things
come down, normally, when we do aid relief, work with based on a
needs assessment, find out what the needs of the area is, when
situations like this, you know, talking to all the partners, and
people on the ground, the need is everything. You know, whether it's
from hygiene products, to water, to food, to building to medicine,
the need is great. And in fact, the UNHCR ACR today said, this is
probably the biggest catastrophe, since since World War Two
Subhanallah, I can imagine, it's, it's
a complete, you're going to have to build from the ground up after
this, if even, it's not like it's going to go back to normal, it's
still going to be contested land, it's still going to be land that
they're going to harass, they're going to close up, whether they
take the north part and the south part will be a content contested
is going to be a place where they harass them, they make everything
difficult, they're not going to let supplies just come in as such.
They're going to make it such a headache. And on top of that so
many people including maybe your orphans, now refugees, they may
have gone somewhere else or who knows where because so many people
are displaced now. And because as as well, but this brings us to the
end of our program, masha Allah, we raised up to 15,367 pounds of
450,467 pounds. So we raised 700 pounds in the span of this small
interview, and it doesn't matter big or small. What matters is the
effort relative there. We didn't have 700 pounds 15 minutes ago,
now we have it so relatively, that's what's important. And it's
effort, that's important. We're going to hit to 20,000 this week
bit in the Natal. If we're at 15 For now, right and people are
going to watch this stream later on. All right, throughout the day,
inshallah Tada, we're gonna hit 20,000 pounds, which was our goal.
We're gonna hit that and we ask Allah to Allah to accept it from
us and everyone who's pitched in one pound even or just share it.
You may not have money right now but just share it to your friends
share it to your friend group tell them that they got someone on the
ground who's doing it directly. You could see him in that he he
came on our program with through videos before and we can send Hey,
Mark, can you ask he asked him to send another video, like a daily
clip, a daily routine, like just haze to finish it, this is what
we're doing blah, blah, blah 30 seconds. Right? It gives people a
real time feeling that they're helping someone on the ground
there. So Brother RtQ does that glauca May Allah reward you near
from the insha Allah Yanni type of Mujahideen doing this type of
work. May Allah and keep you inspired, keep you strong, then
give you Sofia can bless all your work and accepted, answer your DUA
and guide your children and all of those who help you with grt just
gonna love
and for everybody, this was a great kickoff for the week and a
great stream. We will see you tomorrow. Thank you Chuck Haroon,
who took time from his busy day.
He's tall, he is not just Ireland and Philip, his Ireland in
accounting, right? And he's getting his jazz as soon in
accounting, he's 1/4 of the way so we're taking him away from
studying to get his CPA jazz and accounting. It's one out of four
tests, right? So he's done one make draw for him to get the give
him Tofik insha Allah and you did start sharing at one point some
accounting tips on on Instagram and yeah, I was gonna say a while
back, right. Yeah, that was gonna start doing that kind of stuff.
But is it secret that you're an accountant? No, it's not secret,
but it is what it is. Yeah. But the point is first up to see he
has a profession where I was sitting around just reading books,
he's doing something right. And that's and it's very useful stuff.
So there's that good luck to everyone who took part in this.
Everybody will see you tomorrow. Subhanak Allah whom OB Hamsik a
shadow Allah Illa Illa. And Mr. Farrakhan had to go in a call us
in in Santa Fe Of course. Illa Allah, Dena monomial. Saudi. What
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