Shadee Elmasry – NBF 136 Journey to Islam Shaykh Hashim Ahmad

Shadee Elmasry
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The speakers discuss their experiences with religion and their belief in spirituality, as well as their desire to see people from their culture and go back to their current country. They stress the importance of finding guidance and guidance for one's journey, particularly in regards to their beliefs. They also emphasize the need to connect with the right people and environments to avoid confusion and misunderstand, as well as learning to be fair and accurate to avoid confusion and misunderstand. The "one plus one equals two" concept in mathematics is used to justify prices, and the "one plus one equals two" concept is used to explain the concept of "one plus one equals two" in mathematics.
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Welcome everybody to the Safina society nothing but facts live

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stream, where we have a special guest today, as you could see, on

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our split screen. It looks like we're sitting next to each other

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but we're actually speaking across from each other. We have a special

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guest. His name is Chuck Hashim Ahmed. He's visiting us from

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California. He is somebody who I'll give a brief introduction

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about and we're going to have an open discussion about his path

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coming to Islam and everything he's learned, masha Allah, he

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became Muslim.

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You and your wife became Muslim in California, and then not actually

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not in California, but you're from California, Rich from California.

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They became Muslim, then moved, many people are going to be happy

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to Pakistan, and lived a long life in Pakistan raising children who

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are Masha Allah Imams all across the country, just went to your son

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Ibrahim's masjid, in Long Island, and I was just in Huntington, Long

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Island, and where he used to be the Imam he had invited me there

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and now I think now he's not the Imam there, but he still lives

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there.

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And then, of course, Sheikh Abdul Rahman was one of our own for a

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while and Trenton and now he's in Sharon, Massachusetts, but Masha

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Allah, a life filled

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with stories and adventures in the life of the deen and the

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modalities and the masajid. So welcome to our live stream. And

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let me kick it off with with the story of tell us about the time

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when you were young, what was the perception of Islam, how much

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knowledge of Islam was, was in the air and amongst people because

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that's something that today, everyone knows about Islam.

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But in those times, even when I was in high school, Islam was just

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like, only a few people knew about it. In America, at least. So tell

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us about that aspect. Okay, yeah. So where do we start that so

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I think probably my first recollection of you know, Islam or

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Muslims were probably kind of an abstract image of these desert

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wheeling people that in those days, at least for me, what I can

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remember, recollect, there was a kind of an AW.

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Which is interesting. There was, I never saw these people I didn't

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know anything about but there's something about these, these,

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these, these headwinds, you know, in the, in the desert, which is,

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of course, no Saudi Arabia.

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And I didn't know anything much more about them than that. And

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there was nothing like, you know, Islam was not the hottest thing in

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the news and said, Yeah, nobody ever heard of, it was a Muslim.

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Yeah. Mother, who would they have?

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Somewhere in the East somewhere? There was no no conception. Yeah.

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And,

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in fact, coming from a,

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basically an atheist home.

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My father family, they're Ashkenazi Jews from Hungary,

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originally from Hungary that run the turn of the 20th century they

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came

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secularists, reformed Jews, if you will.

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Somehow or another, my father was totally against anything religion.

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We had a synagogue in our back in our backyard from our backyard, if

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you just jumped over the fence, you'd be in the synagogue?

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Probably. I never saw the inside of that. Yeah, it was like taboo

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we talk about we don't think about religion is like off the, the

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chart. Yeah.

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So the I don't know anything about Islam.

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And then, you know, I was my family were very sort of different

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into things. Even though, as I said, my father's from a Jewish

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business family. My mother's from a European mix of pot pourri of

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there's a long story Jewish to know she's Christian, or from a

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Christian family, she doesn't consider herself a Christian

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either.

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So we grew up a religious and I remember the first thing that I

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that I even thought of religion was

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I remember sitting on a couch when I was about five or six years old,

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with my mother looking at the, you know, the window of the of the

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front of the living room onto the street.

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And some odd I remember this vividly, you don't remember too

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many things when you're five or six years old, you know. But I

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remember asking my mother, you know, if people on Saturdays and

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Sundays they go to the synagogue, the church and stuff like that.

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So, you know, why don't we do that?

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I don't know that fit throughout the year.

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So she said, Well, if we do that, then we can't do the things we'd

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like to do.

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That's gonna take our time up. You don't want to do that. Yeah. So

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there's two things that our family was you know, into kind of

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Uh, besides just being the old American, you know, kind of

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working in house and home, but my family, they were all musicians

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rather than the music.

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So I grew up with that.

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And horses. And this is in California, which part of

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California now this I'm born in Cleveland, by the way. Oh,

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Cleveland. Yeah, I'm born in Cleveland. My parents are from

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Cleveland. So my very early childhood was in Cleveland.

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As I said, somehow, my father, he was enamored by horses, cowboys,

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and he always wanted to do that. And so eventually,

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in 1960, you know, so we had moved out of the, you know, main city of

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Cleveland out to the suburbs, we had our horses we had stable, and

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we had so we were big into horses. But your dad wasn't the immigrant.

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His dad was immigrant. His grandfather was in him. Oh, so

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you've been American for two dice. And you're

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the late the latter part of the 1800s is when my Okay, both sides

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before the World Wars even. Yeah, so they weren't even part of the

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world wars. No. Okay. So yeah, my father fought in World War Two, he

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was an All American. In fact, it's interesting. We would lie about

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our age not to get drafted. Well get out of it, particularly me in

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Vietnam, War era. But my father when he was 17, he lied about his

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age. So you go into

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right, so he was a gunner, and he was like a radio guy, and you're

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all American.

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So

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yeah, so I mean, we didn't have anything like that. So we're into

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like horses and my elder sister. And I just like, you know, like,

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we see the traditional people that with Quran, you know, when they

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four year or five years old, from the Chi then and you know,

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there'll be a stick on your head. So we were like that with horses.

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And we had to be horsemen. Oh, every weekend, we'd be on the road

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with my father and mother, and we'd be attending horse shows,

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really? And then, you know, we had the group and then we'd be

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traveling around performing. So you were you were writers for show

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horsemen. Yeah. And the horse shows. That's a whole culture that

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Yeah, yeah. So yeah, it's a pretty interesting because we used to go

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through the Amish country, you know, we were connected with them

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kind of so used to come to Pennsylvania. Yeah. So Ohio, Ohio.

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You go up. I think it's like, Columbus is right next to

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Pittsburgh. And that's to what's takes you down right in a place

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called jogger county ultimately, so we moved out of the city, we're

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out in the rural area.

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So then ultimately, my father says, Okay, so, you know, why am I

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managing our business? Our factory in the downtown Cleveland, like,

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your cowboy? I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna start a guest ranch. Dude

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Ranch. I don't know if you've heard of that. No term, the horse,

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the horse riding world. Yeah, it's a whole nother.

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That's a whole nother world. You're right. So what happened was

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so he and two other partners, they took a trip and they went out to

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Colorado. Yeah, the surveyed around and they found this 500

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acres of virgin land, like, in the middle of nowhere in the Rocky

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Mountains, next to natural forest. And the only thing on that

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property was like a burned down cowboy dance hall. And it was like

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a little log cabin was left to that. And that's all there was on

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his 500 acres. So we went out there and we developed this

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resort. And people you know, it was Hey, dude, what's going on?

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People don't know, dude. You don't know where that comes from? Yeah.

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What is it? Yeah. So dude is in western nomenclature, you know,

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cowboy. And it's the city slicker who doesn't know anything about

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country life. And he comes out and tries to be a cowboy. Okay. He

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said, Dude, I didn't know. So therefore we call it a dude ranch.

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Oh, a city man who? Actually that's what we used to do. We

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bring families out there and we teach them horse riding and

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archery and right. We and waterskiing and it was a whole,

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you know, program and then in the night, we would entertain them

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with our music and shows. So that's fun. Yeah, it was great. It

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was great to be action, and how would he get the word out that

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this business exists? Well, he had a, he had a degree in marketing.

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Which was supposed to be used for the family business, but then it

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kicked in. Well, there. Yeah. So it actually became maybe the best

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or at least one of the best resorts of its kind. Wow. So that

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was great. Because of your family business. Yeah, that's great. So

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now so how does that take us to religion? So out there in

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Colorado, I mean, as a child, I was very introverted. I'm not like

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now. I was very introverted. And I used to stay alert to myself and

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just reflect on things. Nature. I used to love nature. That was my

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thing. So in Colorado, I would just take off into the mountains

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and just climb up on the mountains and absorb Allah's book. Just

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marvel at that and so

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After a while, what my father was espousing, you know, there's no

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creator. And

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that doesn't make any sense. You know, we got this. And then in the

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in the mid 60s, so that's when the, the California thing started

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because my mother and father were having problems. Interestingly,

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this kind of a lesson for all of us.

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They were having very, you know, critical fundamental problems, but

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you know, we kids never were aware of it. They always kept it, you

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know, I really respect them for that. Yeah, among many things, but

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they had no clue. So then my mother's Okay, we're gonna have a

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little vacation in California, because my grandparents were out

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there since forever, I guess. And so we took off to Los Angeles. Now

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a young musician. I mean, this is the place that we go. Right at the

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edge of Hollywood, right? Yeah, right in what town? I was in West

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LA, near Beverly Hills. Okay. Santa Monica and Beverly. Glen,

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you're familiar with it. And so Wow, here I am, and ready to go.

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And so now, this is the 1960s. All that stuff is happening? And I'm

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right in the middle of it. Yeah. In the music world, entertainment

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world artists and musicians and civil rights and the hippie

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movement, that and I'm just immersed in all of it, you know,

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right out there in it. Yeah. And of course, it this, at this time

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in this age. You know, this, this concept of spirituality? You know,

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the American Dream is turning into a nightmare, right, folks? It's

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like, it's not giving us happiness. It's not giving me a

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satisfaction. Yeah, we came here we, you know, self made man,

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woman, whatever. And then you get all this stuff. And you have no

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inner peace. Empty. That's what Rebel Without a Cause is all

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about. Yeah. And that's what it was, without a call. What what's

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the purpose? What's the point? There isn't any?

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You know, so there isn't anything just, you know, at large just do

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it? Do it? You know, like Nike says, Just do it. Yeah, whatever

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comes into your, into your, you know, your desire, you're like, I

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feel like it I feel you're winning. So what sort of that

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anyway?

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So then this concept of new, there's a spirit, you know, and we

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need to find out about that. So that intrigued me very early on.

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And I'm not alone. I mean, people, number of people from that era

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that happened, particularly musicians, the first the first

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Muslims in this country, you would know that, you know, they were

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jazz musicians and criminals on the street. Malcolm's type. Yeah,

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or, you know, like, like us from the, from the jazz world, you

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know.

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And jazz was considered something like it was fringe etc. While it

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was itself a niche subculture counter. Yeah, thing anyway.

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That's what I don't know if you're you've ever seen this quote from

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Satan.

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The Egyptian writer who became a Islamic

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activist, yeah, he came to America. Really? I didn't know

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that. Yeah, he came to America. And he wrote back, he wrote some

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memoirs, and he's one of the things he said about it is that

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this country is doomed. Okay. In the source of it all, is this jazz

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music coach.

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But I tell you what, I don't think you got that. Right. May Allah

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bless him. He had amazing insights. But I don't think he got

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that one. Right. It's a matter of fact, these are the people that

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came towards us, not the Spatola. Yeah. From back in the 40s. Yeah.

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And,

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in fact, you know, the web Jamaat, yeah. You know, which I was also

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highly influenced by that early on. So the founding the Majelis,

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shooter of that originally was five brothers, three of which were

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former jazz musicians, myself, and there was one look, man, I don't

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know if you know, look, man, that was one of the Rocky from New

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Jersey,

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Afro to Afro Americans and me. Yeah. And there was two Indian

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guys, you know? And because actually, it was

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good, the black people anyway, the black culture is half of them were

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Muslims anywhere at least. And then they're up there are much

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more spiritual. They're much more religiously oriented people, you

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know. And all the music from the black community stems from the

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church.

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You won't find any black musician that didn't start in the church.

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That's why they're there. Their style is so unique and so you

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know, well, over so Elvis, Elvis, his music started from he was

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influenced by them by black churches because he was poor. And

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he lived next to some of these revivalist churches and his

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shaking. Yeah, moves came from those, you know, those wild

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revivals of churches where they like if you go in the white

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community

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is where they got the Oregon music race going on in the in the in the

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in Baptist party. I mean, it's like it's like a nightclub. Yeah.

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And the first person that really brought that out of the church

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into the public domain was Ray Charles, who I ended up working

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for No way. Yeah. Was my childhood idol. My dad really liked him and

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ended up working. So

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he when he brought that dead genre to the to the stage, they got

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upset, so you can't bring this. This is sacred music and he's

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bringing it onto the your foot making it filthy like this. Yeah.

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He said, Well, that's all I'm gonna do.

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So that was kind of a turning point. But in any case.

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So now we have in the 60s, people are starting to say, wait a

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minute, but there's there's something fundamentally missing in

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our lives. It has to do with the Spirit. So now, you know, since

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Christianity, Judaism, and then the, you know, the established

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religions that we were familiar with just weren't cutting the

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cake, you know, that this wasn't doing anything for anyone, as far

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as we could see. So where is it happening? So then the eyes turn

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toward the east, the Buddhists, you know, the Hindu traditions

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yoga, so we're in all of that kind of stuff standing on that stuff.

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You know, week long water fasts and all that kind of thing. The

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guru of the of the Beatles was named was Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.

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Have you ever heard never heard of him? No. Yeah, it's very

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interesting guy. So this guy, he was the guru of the of the

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Beatles. Which that's another whole you could have Oh, podcast

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on that. I never even knew that they were into this. Oh, yeah. You

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know, they started out, I want to hold your hand, and I love you.

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And, yeah.

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But they ended up with some very profound observations, there was

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there was two, I would say, in our era. There were two, you know,

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sort of reflectors or mirrors of our society and critiques of what

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was going on with the Beatles, The later Beatles, you know, like, you

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take like, the song Eleanor Rigby.

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And the theme of that was all the lonely people, where did they come

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from? All the lonely people? Where did they belong? You know? So, I

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mean, we were seeing that there's, there's some fundamental problems

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here. You know, man is not living a human life. So what's what are

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we missing? We're missing spirit missing, contact with the Spirit,

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we're missing divine guidance that that's finally what I came to the

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conclusion, I think.

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And so we need that guidance. Even somebody like The Beatles, you

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know, like the, the Rolling Stones, they're still around,

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right? Yeah, one of their most famous songs was I can't get no

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satisfaction.

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And the amazing thing, people don't reflect on that the poor

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guy, you know, he's flying on his private jet. And he's got his his

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villas all over the world. But he says, I don't get any

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satisfaction. It was a Wow, great, you know, he looked the poor guy.

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He's, he's, you know, he's empty. Got to feel sorry for them.

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And so this is what and this is what ultimately, luckily. Because,

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you know, then I started seeing, you know, being in the industry

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and they're getting into showbiz and, and all that, and then seeing

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the reality of that lifestyle. Colleagues, you know, they're all

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dying and dying right in the front. So if you want to live past

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30, you know, better look for a different lifestyle. This is

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dangerous. So you ended up getting into that scene, and then getting

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professionally into that. So yeah, so I was a professional, very

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early age. Kids, you're asking me, I said, How did you become a

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Muslim? When I was 20 years old? So we were very young, you said,

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Well, I was I was pretty old. I felt like it was an old man, I

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feel much younger. Now. What was the instrument because I was a

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guitarist, basically. But I played a lot of things. And then how

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would that work? Like, how would you get gigs? Or did you join a

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band? Or? Well, you know, like, every musician, you know, I

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started out when I first got to California would you would do to

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go down to the music shop, you know, and play around with the

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guitars and there'd be, there'd be like, it'd be like, you know,

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build there'd be like bulletin boards, none of these still have

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that kind of thing, you know, looking for a guitar player for

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that form a band, let's say you start you know, and then you get a

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contact here, I think the first kind of break was there was a band

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that we formed, I was like 17 years old.

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I was probably earlier than that 1516 years old, and we had a

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battle of the bands on some TV station and then you so you get to

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know and then you get a contact needed to move up. And yeah, so.

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So getting into that, and then you know, being in that society, then

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you see this sickness and then they hypocrisy and greed and just

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material. You know, on the one hand, you have an artist is

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trying, he perceives things he's trying to express that in his art

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form, whatever that might be. A

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then you have, you know, these, these blood sucking, you know,

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business side of the whole thing. It's just sick. You know, and then

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the whole thing is just so sick and so perverted, and causing such

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travail and everybody's, you know, like out of their minds. And so do

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I want to live like this for this to my life, I mean, end of the

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day, what's you know, and then at the same time, and then what I

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would do, I would take off from gigs, when I got just too

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overwhelming, I would just take off, we go to Big Sur, or go out

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in the desert, fast and do yoga and

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tune back in, you know, and then cleaned out a bit, and then come

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back and get involved and fully talk too much. And then finally, I

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said, No, this is just This is madness. I mean, we're not

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supposed to be living this kind of this is not what we're here for.

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And I don't know, it's kind of like, you know, it sounds like you

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know, fairy tale kind of, but

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in Big Sur acts, I know big Southern California. What is that?

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It's, it's on the coastal highway

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around Monterey, you know, a Mondrian, up in the bay before you

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get to the bay. It's an area it's one of those beautiful places

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that, you know, it's an iconic place. And it's an iconic place,

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particularly for the hippies. And, you know, it would be a perfect

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Sufi Dhoni, you know, destination like you should ever confab.

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So, it's these big mountains, these big, beautiful, huge,

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awesome mountains that go right down into the sea lifts and His

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majestic sea and you're on these mountains between every mountain

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is a stream and the virus is just fabulous. So I used to go there

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and you know, just camp out and cook my own food or fast and do

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meditation, this transcendental meditation but by the way, when

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this Mauricio his yoga guy came, so I was in LA Airport, among

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others to greet him and so shaved you know, a guy comes with a long

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beard or painted face, he's wearing this line, loincloth

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barefoot. That's crazy, guys. Oh, yeah, that's the one. But then

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after a while, you know that you realize it's, this is really not

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what do they call to? What do they call it? What they do is they have

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a kind of maraca kind of a thing they call Transcendental

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Meditation, which just shut off all of your shut off all of your,

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you know, your, your, your are the thoughts and just kind of focus on

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your inner being and your inner, you know, it's just kind of

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shutting off from the material world and try and focus on your

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spirit, decreasing their distractions, basically. Yeah,

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you're not we have a kind of a watered down version of that,

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which would they call?

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What do they call that?

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awareness or some mindfulness, mindfulness, mindfulness? Yeah,

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it's something along those lines. But that was a little bit more

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philosophical. Yeah. It tended to kind of touch on Sufi concepts.

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Yeah. And they're, and they're all about, like, not eating a lot. Not

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talking a lot. Yeah, right. decreasing your thoughts. Exactly.

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And that's what then so it was spiritual exercises, you know, and

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I think in every, every traditional culture you've got,

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because people recognize spirits. So whether it was prophetically

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inspired and got, you know, diluted, or just it came fifth

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three, or whatever, but we find this in all traditional here in

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our indigenous, you know, cultures in America, we have things of that

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nature, whether they were originally divinely inspired or

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not, who knows? Yeah. But in any case, I came to the conclusion

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that

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all of these spiritual disciplines, they're all pointing

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to one thing, there's a creator, the originator of the entire unit,

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the controls, and if you if you connect with that, then you're on

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then you made it. And if you haven't, you're gonna be you know,

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you're off the frequency. You're not you just you're just lost. And

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so I had this kind of revelation that was also very kind of

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indescribable spiritual experience, I just kind of felt

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like, and this is kind of thing and Buddhists that they tried to

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you merge with the, with the, with all of existence, you know, got

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you, you would know that stuff. Well, today, they just say the

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universe. Yeah, cool. So I have that actually, I had a kind of

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experience like that two times. And one was in Big Sur. And, and I

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just from that moment, I said, Okay, that's That's it. That's it.

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I'm done with this stuff. Yeah. It's like this. You know what

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you're all about Moses coming down from the mountain with

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the stuff with love, you know, you know, but it was it was really

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like, and now I'm very clear this what I'm gonna do, I'm getting out

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of here. Yeah. And I'm going to search for that. I'm going to look

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for that. And at this time again, now going back to your question,

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so wrong here and there. But

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at this point in time, Islam I don't know anything about Islam

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other than Allah

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Is your Mohammed. Right. And by the way, Malcolm. So I never met

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Malcolm but being a musician and being engaged with black musicians

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and engaged in the, you know, the civil rights and in the black

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national movement and all that. So I was, you know, really connected

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with all of that. So I was a big fan of Malcolm, and all of us were

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every Muslim my age, Malcolm was like, 90% of why they're Muslim.

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Yeah, I'll let you know. So you know, after reading his

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autobiography, and all that, and then he then he mentioned about,

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you know, these Muslims, and they don't have this thing called

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racism, you know, they can actually get along the whites and

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blacks and green, whatever color you are, it's not an issue. said,

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wow. That that's unique. I mean, come from the west. And you know,

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like, that's, that's a situation where there's no, as they say, in

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Arabic, called the Hola, abolhassan ma na, you know, that's

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it, that's it, that's the situation, there's no judges gonna

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be able to figure that out.

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So, I had come to this conclusion now being a pretty extreme

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radical, in my own way.

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Being connected with everything radical, anything that was an

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unconventional radical that was up there.

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So now everybody's going to Tibet in India. So I'm not going to do

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that. Yeah, I'm gonna do something else. And like, I had a close

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connection with Africa, right? So I'm gonna, what am I gonna do? So

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I checked out stuff, you know, and I'm looking now with the, with the

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concept that since there's a must be a Creator, He sent these holy

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people and he sent these, these messages that has to be somewhere,

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the real one, the one that wasn't tampered and twisted, and all of

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that. So where's that going to be? So I came up with this idea, you

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know, that it's going to be in Ethiopia. Why Ethiopia? Because

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ostensibly, you know, the early followers of Saudi salaam, Jesus

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peace be upon him, they migrated to Ethiopia. And they kept their

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tradition and they've got the altar, and they still have it

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there in the mountains. And that sounds pretty hip, you know? Like,

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that's, that's pretty awesome. So I'm gonna go there. That's so

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interesting. Yeah, I thought you were gonna say Morocco, because

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that's where everyone else was going. No, that was a destination.

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And I also put that on the on the route. Yeah. But But even at that

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time, that wasn't a destination for spirituality. That came later.

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That was, that was a destination for the hippies, for drugs, drugs,

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and just froward culture, not necessarily Islamic movies.

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You know, they do weird stuff. They have good hashish. They're

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very ornamental and dancing. And it's pretty weird plays in these

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different Orientals that that was the attraction in those days.

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But Ethiopia,

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yeah, so I thought they're gonna, you know, these mountains of

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Ethiopia, that really sounds far out. It's gonna be, so I'm going

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there. That's how I was. I feel like I'm just gonna do it.

00:28:02 --> 00:28:06

Because you crazy. I mean, you know, anybody there?

00:28:08 --> 00:28:12

So, I mean, you speak, you don't speak the language, you know,

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anybody? Hi, you're going to connect with any. So amazingly, I

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don't know, I'll put this. He said, Look, the one who I'm

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seeking for knows what I want, and he's gonna show me so that was the

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hippie mentality. You know, that was those kinds of the good

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teachings that, you know, yeah, we learned, you know, good karma and,

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you know, good vibes go around comes around. And so I'm just

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going to be positive and throw good vibe, is gonna provide me

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right into what's happening. You know,

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it's interesting, but that kind of, you know, there was.

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So I set off for Ethiopia. That's, we don't have time for that. But

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that is a long story. Wow, full of all kinds of what did you What did

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you How long before you actually got something out of Ethiopia?

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Well, so as I said, since I was tested, these vibes worked. Yeah.

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So.

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So the idea is religion, right. And as I mentioned, so since I'm

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very influenced by Malcolm also in his and his mentioned of the

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Muslims, so I want to go to Ethiopia where I want to see these

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Muslims to. So therefore, intentionally, I went

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to Luxembourg, down through France and down through Spain, mostly

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walking and just, I have no timeframes.

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And then I go to Morocco, and then from Morocco, all the way across

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North Africa, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Nigeria passing by

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anyway, hey, train, walking train. That's crazy. I don't know. I'm

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just you know, you got time. Yeah. And the world is just gonna absorb

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and just move on at my own pace, however long it takes. And so when

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I get to Morocco,

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it's Ramadan.

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Right.

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And

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so then everybody's fasting. So as I said, you know, we used to fat

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ask them do this water. And when again, they sit the whole country

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is fasting. Are you kidding me? They said, Yeah, even our King,

00:30:07 --> 00:30:13

he's fasting. I have Wow, this is this is real. And so so

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immediately it was there was a you know, the election, you know,

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there's a it was a sink, you know.

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And so I just and it was in Morocco, you must have been there.

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It's a mesmerizing, especially in the 60s. Oh, you know, all the

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modernity human and.

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And then yeah, and then this concept white, black and all that.

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Yeah, absolutely does no concept of it. You know, as I as I usually

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say, it's so weird. I've been Morocco. We've been Sameera. No,

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no, I've been there. It's weird. That was the iconic. That was the

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hippie Destiny's Child, you know, if you could, if you could hang

00:30:51 --> 00:30:55

out in this winter, that was the top of the line. So actually, I

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lived there for a while. And I lived in a house actually. And I

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got so immersed in the culture, that was my thing. I could just

00:31:01 --> 00:31:05

kind of adapt. I just got immersed myself in their culture and all

00:31:05 --> 00:31:08

that and I became like, one of the family members of a family in

00:31:08 --> 00:31:12

Minnesota. And interestingly, the the

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the, the father must have been have some kind of African

00:31:18 --> 00:31:21

background because he was black is cool. I mean, really, you just

00:31:21 --> 00:31:25

look African totally. And then And then his wife, who was probably a

00:31:25 --> 00:31:29

Berber, she was like white as snow. So you got black is called

00:31:29 --> 00:31:32

whiteness, and children are the colors of the rainbow. I mean,

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they're all different shades and colors. And, and it was beautiful,

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you know? Wow. You know, so.

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And then I got I got hooked up with Moroccan musicians.

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Right. And musicians always clicked with musicians. And so I

00:31:48 --> 00:31:53

got into rockin traditional music music. Can now if you look I heard

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Yeah, I heard it's, it's a very interesting, I was trying to

00:31:57 --> 00:31:58

explain this to somebody.

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Which, you know, it's pretty hard to explain. But it's, it's part of

00:32:04 --> 00:32:07

the culture. It's, it's, it's definitely satanic.

00:32:09 --> 00:32:14

No question about that. But it's still somehow connected to the

00:32:14 --> 00:32:20

culture. And it's also connected, obviously, to Islam in a way, even

00:32:20 --> 00:32:24

though it's brilliant. And it's so it's like ritual. It's like ritual

00:32:24 --> 00:32:30

music. You know? And, you know, it goes on, and then people go into

00:32:30 --> 00:32:34

transit. It's kind of like how you know, and stuff, you find this

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kind of. So So I was doing them. I didn't really understand what's

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going on. But then I was playing with them. And so I used to hear

00:32:41 --> 00:32:44

the Athan. And I used to get really like, it used to really

00:32:44 --> 00:32:45

fascinate me,

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used to hear the alarm. And then

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and so these musicians were the first ones actually to invite me

00:32:52 --> 00:32:55

to Islam. And so the point is going back to your question,

00:32:55 --> 00:32:57

still, I don't really know anything about Islam, nobody, you

00:32:57 --> 00:33:01

know, we don't have any real information about it. Wow, thank

00:33:01 --> 00:33:02

you so much.

00:33:04 --> 00:33:04

Yeah.

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And so I'm not really seeing a lot of truly Islamic things in my

00:33:10 --> 00:33:14

musician, buddies, or the hippie crowd, or, you know, people who

00:33:14 --> 00:33:17

connect with them. So you don't really get a chance to see

00:33:18 --> 00:33:22

really Islamic teachings in that context. Other than, like, cut

00:33:22 --> 00:33:22

them.

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You know, yeah, friendliness, generosity,

00:33:29 --> 00:33:34

honoring the guests. But also, if you're in that environment, and

00:33:34 --> 00:33:38

you see something good. That's like the edge. So if the goodness

00:33:38 --> 00:33:41

trickled down to these people, right, then it's pretty thick.

00:33:41 --> 00:33:44

It's pretty good. Yeah, that's the point. And you know, when people

00:33:44 --> 00:33:48

ask me, So how did you ultimately accept Islam? You know, you know,

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I didn't hear a single I had of Quran I didn't hear a single

00:33:52 --> 00:33:57

Hadith. Nothing. It was all these, you know, glimpses of Islamic

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character during this journey, you know.

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And so still, I don't really know much about Islam. And we don't

00:34:04 --> 00:34:08

know, I didn't know anything about the Prophetic teachings of

00:34:08 --> 00:34:10

Muhammad Ali saw nothing but his seal.

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But seeing these, you know, seeing these, these qualities, you know,

00:34:16 --> 00:34:21

and then all across North Africa, it was it was a one year journey,

00:34:21 --> 00:34:25

approximately for I got to Ethiopia. It's amazing. That

00:34:25 --> 00:34:27

everything could never happen anymore.

00:34:28 --> 00:34:31

With the world economy and the way things Yeah, it could never happen

00:34:31 --> 00:34:33

anymore. Yeah. Eldest countries that haven't they're all been

00:34:33 --> 00:34:37

destroyed Yemen. I mean, yeah. Subhan Allah. Later on, when I

00:34:37 --> 00:34:41

went to Yemen, the two countries that were most impressive people

00:34:41 --> 00:34:44

usually ask me what the two countries that really stand out

00:34:44 --> 00:34:49

was Morocco in Yemen. So many people say that. And the reason is

00:34:49 --> 00:34:52

that because they were isolated, one all the way in the West one

00:34:52 --> 00:34:55

all the way in the South. Yeah, their culture grew up exact by

00:34:55 --> 00:34:58

itself. Whereas like Egypt, everyone's there. So it's going to

00:34:58 --> 00:34:59

be neutral. Yeah.

00:35:00 --> 00:35:03

And the thing about Morocco, when would you just leave Morocco and

00:35:03 --> 00:35:04

go to Algeria,

00:35:05 --> 00:35:09

even though they're very similar people, ethnically, culturally,

00:35:10 --> 00:35:14

but it's a totally different feeling. The Moroccans they love

00:35:14 --> 00:35:18

their culture. Yeah. And even if they're not religious, but they

00:35:18 --> 00:35:20

love their culture, everybody knows Quran.

00:35:21 --> 00:35:25

So I didn't know at that point, but later after, after a few years

00:35:25 --> 00:35:30

ago, I went again after all these years. And you know, you would

00:35:30 --> 00:35:34

have noticed that everybody knows Quran, you know, in the masjid

00:35:34 --> 00:35:37

every morning is that there's the Jews. Yeah. And that's how you

00:35:37 --> 00:35:40

know what day of the month it is. Yeah, you want to know what day of

00:35:40 --> 00:35:41

the month is go in the masjid.

00:35:42 --> 00:35:45

And whatever, whatever, whatever, you know, Jews they're reading

00:35:45 --> 00:35:48

that's the day. Yeah, because for those who aren't aware of this,

00:35:48 --> 00:35:52

it's by law. In Morocco. It's a law law by law. I didn't know

00:35:52 --> 00:35:57

that. Yeah. And it's endowed by the state that after fetch, his

00:35:57 --> 00:36:01

past be recited, which is half a dose after market. Yeah. The

00:36:01 --> 00:36:05

second. Next, his has to be recited. And that's recited in a

00:36:05 --> 00:36:08

group. Yeah, yeah. So the Imam turns around after the sun isn't

00:36:08 --> 00:36:10

everything and he settles, then they make a big circle.

00:36:11 --> 00:36:15

Right? It's usually two rows connected, like in a long oval,

00:36:15 --> 00:36:18

and then they recite it. Sometimes they're like seven people in the

00:36:18 --> 00:36:21

little mosque is like eight to 10 people. And they'll recite and so

00:36:21 --> 00:36:24

many of the people know it from memory. Yeah. Yeah. And sometimes

00:36:24 --> 00:36:28

you have a guy in a business suit, right? Sitting and he's like,

00:36:28 --> 00:36:32

tired. It's like, after maghrib. And he's reciting from memory,

00:36:32 --> 00:36:36

right? Yeah. It's a middle motor. It's not Mulkey as seen. It's

00:36:36 --> 00:36:39

something from the middle like students and photocards Shara.

00:36:39 --> 00:36:43

Yeah, and they're reciting. So that's one of the most amazing

00:36:43 --> 00:36:48

things and believe it or not, I heard that the first people to do

00:36:48 --> 00:36:53

this were the Tebay of Egypt, the soldiers, and they were reciting.

00:36:53 --> 00:36:55

And it's in the books that they were the first people to do a

00:36:55 --> 00:36:59

group recitation, because people weren't reciting. And they want

00:36:59 --> 00:37:01

the soldiers to recite, so they would do this group recitation.

00:37:01 --> 00:37:04

And that that's the same melody that's still employed now in

00:37:04 --> 00:37:08

Morocco. Lower group. Yeah. And it's, it's also it's almost

00:37:08 --> 00:37:09

military, its military.

00:37:11 --> 00:37:15

Cadence, right? It's one cadence, boom, boom, boom. Yeah, that's

00:37:15 --> 00:37:19

interesting. I didn't know that. And I had a friend who was just

00:37:19 --> 00:37:22

like, you know, like these regular Moroccans. They love Islam, but

00:37:22 --> 00:37:25

there's not much Islam that you can see right away. Yeah. And this

00:37:25 --> 00:37:29

guy, he's a family guy here. And he's a gay, we're from an area

00:37:29 --> 00:37:35

called Soos. Yeah, right. And, and they're just like, just he's

00:37:35 --> 00:37:38

Muslim by his identity, and a lot of things about him are Islamic,

00:37:38 --> 00:37:41

but he's not putting much effort into seeing, like, what does FIP

00:37:41 --> 00:37:45

say What a shitty essay is just going with the flow Muslim guy. So

00:37:45 --> 00:37:51

he says, Where I come from, in Zeus, it was a thing, no matter

00:37:51 --> 00:37:54

what gathering we have, you have to end the gathering with yesin.

00:37:56 --> 00:38:00

So that's how they're very Yeah, someone will just start, it

00:38:00 --> 00:38:02

doesn't matter if you're you go out a bunch of guys go out for

00:38:02 --> 00:38:06

tea. Right, the sign that the gathering is done, someone will

00:38:06 --> 00:38:09

start with yesin. And we all right, your site? Yeah. See, it

00:38:09 --> 00:38:11

doesn't matter. You pray don't pray your website. Yes.

00:38:13 --> 00:38:13

Hello.

00:38:16 --> 00:38:20

So, yeah, then you get to Ethiopia? And then did you find

00:38:20 --> 00:38:24

what you were looking for? Okay, so that very interestingly,

00:38:26 --> 00:38:31

as I said, I still, you know, I still don't know, you know,

00:38:31 --> 00:38:34

anything academically about Islam, other than what I see. Right.

00:38:37 --> 00:38:37

And,

00:38:39 --> 00:38:42

and in every country, there's, there's, there's new revelations

00:38:42 --> 00:38:46

in terms, I mean, we see new things and we see new aspects of

00:38:46 --> 00:38:52

human behavior that indicate, you know, the uniqueness of Islamic

00:38:52 --> 00:38:55

character, which obviously is coming and what what, what I was

00:38:55 --> 00:38:59

trying to, you know, correlate was these good qualities like this

00:38:59 --> 00:39:03

generosity, and this, this this, like, for example.

00:39:06 --> 00:39:06

I was,

00:39:08 --> 00:39:11

I was coming from a place like glulam, beams, right, way down in

00:39:11 --> 00:39:15

the south, near the Spanish Sahara, you know, the toric, the

00:39:15 --> 00:39:19

land of the product coming up from there. And then I passed over the

00:39:19 --> 00:39:23

year, in between over the year and it's weird. I was going back to

00:39:23 --> 00:39:25

my, where I was staying in, Sierra.

00:39:27 --> 00:39:31

So now I'm traveling on the road. And in those days, you know, a car

00:39:31 --> 00:39:33

or two might come in a day, you know, yeah.

00:39:35 --> 00:39:38

And so it's hot, you know, I'm hot and I'm hungry, and I'm thirsty

00:39:38 --> 00:39:42

and I'm tired, and there's no transport and I'm just walking

00:39:42 --> 00:39:45

along the road. I got my backpack and my guitar. And

00:39:47 --> 00:39:52

so I just kind of exhaustedly Sit down by the side of the room. So

00:39:52 --> 00:39:55

this Moroccan guy comes by reading his donkey and he looks at me

00:39:57 --> 00:39:59

and he says, like, you know what's wrong with you?

00:40:01 --> 00:40:04

So you look despondent, you know, like,

00:40:05 --> 00:40:07

I did exactly what he said, you know, but I mean, it's like, you

00:40:07 --> 00:40:08

know what's wrong with you? And you know.

00:40:10 --> 00:40:12

And that's the thing about Moroccans, you know, you probably

00:40:12 --> 00:40:16

noticed that they're all happy. Oh, they're always happy. Yeah.

00:40:16 --> 00:40:20

Regardless, it's such a happy culture. Yeah. So he's looking at

00:40:20 --> 00:40:23

me like, Hey, what's wrong with you? Yeah. I said, yeah, yeah,

00:40:23 --> 00:40:27

yeah. Well, you know, just start with, like, I'm tired. I'm hungry.

00:40:27 --> 00:40:29

I'm thirsty. And what else you want? You know?

00:40:30 --> 00:40:32

He said, Well, you know what, that's what it is. So why don't

00:40:32 --> 00:40:33

you just enjoy it?

00:40:37 --> 00:40:38

You know,

00:40:39 --> 00:40:45

that this guy. We thought we were hip. This guy's like, he's, you

00:40:45 --> 00:40:50

know, stuff like that. Yeah. What did he take you on to his he just

00:40:50 --> 00:40:54

up and I'll tell you nothing in Libya. Amazing thing. So anyway,

00:40:54 --> 00:40:57

so he went on his when I said, yeah, he's right to enjoy it.

00:40:57 --> 00:41:00

Yeah, it's bright sky. No, yeah, he's right. Absolutely. Wow. Hey,

00:41:00 --> 00:41:01

thank you, you know,

00:41:03 --> 00:41:08

once I went into into into a date market, Rakesh, you know, my, my,

00:41:08 --> 00:41:12

my background, you know, natural food, AIDS, like after deeds every

00:41:12 --> 00:41:18

day. Okay. So I go to the date, Mark, you got these 10,000 guys,

00:41:18 --> 00:41:22

in one place selling the same thing dates? That doesn't make any

00:41:22 --> 00:41:27

sense. You know, why didn't you you know, find a place where

00:41:27 --> 00:41:31

there's no data, you know, and some data come on the market

00:41:31 --> 00:41:33

share, how are you going to get any market share here, you got 20.

00:41:34 --> 00:41:37

So I thought, you know, okay, these poor guys, you know,

00:41:37 --> 00:41:42

Moroccan, third world of America, and, you know, come from business

00:41:42 --> 00:41:46

family, I have little business savvy. So I'm gonna do a favor to

00:41:46 --> 00:41:49

these guys. I'm gonna give them a little marketing, you know, sort

00:41:49 --> 00:41:52

of coaching. So I went to one of them, I said, Hey, you know what,

00:41:52 --> 00:41:55

this doesn't make any sense. You know, you guys are all sitting

00:41:55 --> 00:42:00

here. Why don't you you know, like, find a place mark is a big

00:42:00 --> 00:42:04

place, you can find it, you know, some place here there and set up

00:42:04 --> 00:42:07

your shop. And you can probably get, and the guys looking at me

00:42:07 --> 00:42:10

and smiling. You know, like a little kid comes up and says,

00:42:10 --> 00:42:12

uncle, I think, you know, oh, yeah, Sunday that.

00:42:15 --> 00:42:18

He's looking at me like, you know, okay, Sunday, you know, he said,

00:42:18 --> 00:42:24

Look, he says, If we all sit here, or we sit all over the universe,

00:42:24 --> 00:42:28

we're gonna get what Allah is gonna give us a problem. It's

00:42:28 --> 00:42:29

impossible. What's the tension?

00:42:32 --> 00:42:33

Again, you know, like,

00:42:34 --> 00:42:38

we're supposed to be hippies. But this guy's talking about, you

00:42:38 --> 00:42:42

know, I said, so I mean, so these these people on another level, how

00:42:42 --> 00:42:46

they perceive the world and what's going on in the universe. Yeah,

00:42:46 --> 00:42:49

you're on another level. And it's like everybody, it's not just the

00:42:49 --> 00:42:52

clerics. Yeah, everybody's like that. Even my musician buddies,

00:42:52 --> 00:42:54

and they're doing all the things musician who everywhere. But

00:42:54 --> 00:42:58

still, they've got this level of, you know, different newness, you

00:42:58 --> 00:42:59

know, uniqueness.

00:43:01 --> 00:43:02

Okay, now,

00:43:03 --> 00:43:05

fast forward. Libya.

00:43:07 --> 00:43:10

I'm in Libya, by the way, in Libya, I had a very interesting

00:43:11 --> 00:43:15

encounter. Because now, you know, being a rebel, you know, from the

00:43:15 --> 00:43:17

60s and getting out of America, like, I don't want to see America

00:43:17 --> 00:43:21

again, ever, you know, like, you know, like, this is the worst

00:43:21 --> 00:43:24

place on earth to go around the earth and you find out what, it's

00:43:24 --> 00:43:28

all pretty much like that or worse, you know, but in any case,

00:43:28 --> 00:43:31

so as soon as in Morocco, I you know, I was wearing Moroccan

00:43:31 --> 00:43:34

clothes, I had a turban, you know, these todich they have the black

00:43:34 --> 00:43:37

turbans, they even and I loved that thing. That was as you wrap

00:43:37 --> 00:43:42

it around your mouth. Yeah. And yeah, and I just was immersed in

00:43:42 --> 00:43:42

all that.

00:43:44 --> 00:43:47

I was speaking a little, you know, I was speaking some some Arabic,

00:43:47 --> 00:43:49

you know, the colloquial Arabic.

00:43:51 --> 00:43:56

And so when I get to Libya, I get a quote, I'm finding Algeria and I

00:43:56 --> 00:43:57

get to Tunisia.

00:43:58 --> 00:44:03

Very interesting. And I got stories rather than rather, but

00:44:04 --> 00:44:08

when I get to Libya, okay, so I got across the border, no issue.

00:44:08 --> 00:44:12

So I'm in sixth, which is the place where of Orpheus, from

00:44:13 --> 00:44:16

where he and he was ruling at this time, and he had just taken over

00:44:16 --> 00:44:20

at that point. Yeah. And he had his pictures up everywhere. And

00:44:20 --> 00:44:26

everyone was, you know, hip hip. Hooray. So, so I'm sitting at this

00:44:26 --> 00:44:29

little, you know, roadside Cafe kind of thing, you know, like bus

00:44:30 --> 00:44:35

with bus stops. And so, I'm having lunch.

00:44:36 --> 00:44:40

And then I get on the bus and we go, so in the meantime, these

00:44:40 --> 00:44:40

policemen come.

00:44:42 --> 00:44:46

And these policemen are standing behind me and like, right behind

00:44:46 --> 00:44:50

me. Like, we want you to think you're a spy. I don't know what

00:44:50 --> 00:44:53

they thought. But in any case, they were kind enough to let me

00:44:53 --> 00:44:54

finish my food.

00:44:56 --> 00:44:59

And then they say we our chief wants to talk to you

00:45:02 --> 00:45:07

Okay, so I go to the chief. And I say assalamualaikum

00:45:07 --> 00:45:10

Waalaikumsalam. We're not Muslim that but you picked up Yeah, I

00:45:10 --> 00:45:14

picked up. Yeah, I'm living on Muslim families. And I'm like, you

00:45:14 --> 00:45:16

know, I'm only you guys, you know? Yeah, basically.

00:45:19 --> 00:45:21

So then he says, Where are you from? I sent from the United

00:45:21 --> 00:45:23

States. He said, What are you doing with those clothes?

00:45:25 --> 00:45:27

Whatever. No, you can't.

00:45:28 --> 00:45:32

So this is cultural appropriation before that became a thing. Yeah.

00:45:32 --> 00:45:35

I mean, this really blew me away. I couldn't, I couldn't believe

00:45:35 --> 00:45:37

this. He says, No, you can't you can't wear those. And he was

00:45:37 --> 00:45:41

serious. He was gonna get angry, in fact, so you can't wear those

00:45:41 --> 00:45:43

kind of clothes here. You have to wear your own clothes. Weird.

00:45:45 --> 00:45:48

So you know what? I don't have any clothes like my own. These are my

00:45:48 --> 00:45:50

clothes. So Well, you better get some Oh, he's gonna put you in

00:45:50 --> 00:45:54

jail back in Tripoli. Oh, my god. Guys.

00:45:55 --> 00:45:58

Serious. And he said, Don't try anything new. If these two guys

00:45:58 --> 00:46:03

are going to be with you, you go and get 10 changes. So this kind

00:46:03 --> 00:46:06

of knew what happened to our culture a really weird, you know?

00:46:06 --> 00:46:10

Or maybe like, maybe you're trying to impersonate I don't know what

00:46:10 --> 00:46:14

his Psych was, but it was pretty, pretty intense. So then I don't

00:46:14 --> 00:46:17

have any other clothes. And how am I going to shake these guys? And

00:46:17 --> 00:46:22

what am I going to do? So then I get back to the that cafe.

00:46:23 --> 00:46:27

And these guys are a little bit behind. In the meantime, a bus

00:46:27 --> 00:46:30

comes. So I grabbed my stuff and jump on the bus and for they go

00:46:31 --> 00:46:34

off on my way. Okay. So

00:46:36 --> 00:46:40

at Maghrib time, now, somebody gets down from the bus, the next

00:46:40 --> 00:46:44

stop, and he goes in, he buys a big bag of boiled eggs. I don't

00:46:44 --> 00:46:46

know if you ever noticed that. That's one of the things he did

00:46:46 --> 00:46:49

get on the side. And maybe it was in those days, boiled eggs goes

00:46:49 --> 00:46:53

easy thing. Yeah, you know. And he distributes that to everybody on

00:46:53 --> 00:46:53

the bus.

00:46:54 --> 00:46:58

So obviously, this is he's part of the group and maybe this bus is

00:46:58 --> 00:47:01

just a group and they're going to Benghazi that we're going to bid

00:47:01 --> 00:47:01

posi.

00:47:03 --> 00:47:03

So,

00:47:05 --> 00:47:09

okay, another guy gets started and he gets a big bag of almonds and

00:47:09 --> 00:47:12

you just distribute salmon to everybody. Okay. Then we get done

00:47:12 --> 00:47:16

a mother or a mother ship time and we have dinner. Couscous, you

00:47:16 --> 00:47:18

know, North Africa, everybody's got their own kind of couscous.

00:47:18 --> 00:47:21

Maybe there's, we all need couscous, and they're fighting

00:47:21 --> 00:47:24

with each other. Who's gonna pay for everybody? In America? We're

00:47:24 --> 00:47:28

gonna fight who's gonna you know? Yeah, yeah, up. No, yeah. They're

00:47:28 --> 00:47:30

fighting. Who's gonna pay? No, I'm paying them.

00:47:33 --> 00:47:36

Anyway, I know, they're very generous, but this was like, you

00:47:36 --> 00:47:37

know, in steroids.

00:47:38 --> 00:47:42

And they were strangers. Well, I didn't know that. I mean, I

00:47:42 --> 00:47:45

assumed they were a group. Yeah. Because I mean, they were just too

00:47:45 --> 00:47:48

familiar. And they were just, you don't do that with everybody.

00:47:48 --> 00:47:52

Right? Well, we'll see. So

00:47:53 --> 00:47:57

we get the Benghazi. Every single one of them went in a separate

00:47:57 --> 00:47:57

direction.

00:47:58 --> 00:48:00

Jeep? I

00:48:01 --> 00:48:04

feel like nobody knew. But they all knew one another. And they all

00:48:04 --> 00:48:08

had this fraternity. So this uku within Islam and all that, I mean,

00:48:08 --> 00:48:11

it's just, it's just kind of nobody had to tell me in Islam,

00:48:11 --> 00:48:14

that we're all Brotherhood and the philosophy, they just this. That's

00:48:14 --> 00:48:17

why people always ask, What can I do to be a representative just be

00:48:17 --> 00:48:21

a Muslim. So you have to do some homework, your actions are going

00:48:21 --> 00:48:24

to attract people in ways you can't even imagine. I'll tell you

00:48:24 --> 00:48:28

a story about that. The reverse of that. Cynthia hay wrote us and his

00:48:28 --> 00:48:32

friend who was Afghani, they went out for pizza one time. And

00:48:32 --> 00:48:35

they're sitting around, and there's just a bunch of guys

00:48:35 --> 00:48:40

eating some pizzas. So the guys behind them, they couldn't help

00:48:40 --> 00:48:44

but overhear the guys behind them. Were about five guys that ate

00:48:44 --> 00:48:48

three pizzas. So they're like, Well, guys, what's the math on

00:48:48 --> 00:48:53

this? Because the math doesn't even out. And then they finally

00:48:53 --> 00:48:56

figured out the fraction that works. And then but one guy

00:48:56 --> 00:48:59

interrupts he said, No, but I saw that you had four pieces. I only

00:48:59 --> 00:49:03

have three pieces. Right. So how are we going to divide this up?

00:49:04 --> 00:49:05

Now the Afghani

00:49:06 --> 00:49:09

can't believe what he's hearing, right? That they're arguing and

00:49:09 --> 00:49:13

they're counting what you ate. Okay, yeah, but I saw that last

00:49:13 --> 00:49:18

time you ate for, right? And we split it evenly, so that he can't

00:49:18 --> 00:49:21

believe what he's hearing. So we got so fed up, fed up, he goes up.

00:49:22 --> 00:49:25

And you know, these pizzerias, like, they'll have like a pizza

00:49:25 --> 00:49:27

prepared, and they'll give it by the slice. He's like, give me that

00:49:27 --> 00:49:32

whole pie now. So the guy puts the whole thing into a box. And he

00:49:32 --> 00:49:36

pays for it. He takes it and he slams it on their table. And he

00:49:36 --> 00:49:37

says, Would you all just eat and shut up?

00:49:40 --> 00:49:43

I got the shock of that. Like, like, like, what is this? And

00:49:43 --> 00:49:46

here's like the F Gettys. Also, this is like really into their, in

00:49:46 --> 00:49:50

their culture to this generosity. Yeah. So the guys are like, they

00:49:50 --> 00:49:52

looked at him like he's from Mars or something like who would do

00:49:52 --> 00:49:55

that? Like you just paid for that by yourself. A Muslim would do

00:49:55 --> 00:49:59

that. So why don't we even had a neighbor one time and we had to

00:50:00 --> 00:50:04

burgers. And we had ordered some Hello burgers. And we had the

00:50:04 --> 00:50:08

burgers out. And she was passing by. So my wife said, Ron, just

00:50:08 --> 00:50:11

come on in. And she sits at the table and we're about to eat.

00:50:11 --> 00:50:16

We're unwrapping these burgers. And so naturally, we went got a

00:50:16 --> 00:50:21

plate for her to eat to just go, I can have one. We're like,

00:50:22 --> 00:50:25

how could we invite you in and eat in front of you?

00:50:26 --> 00:50:31

So it's like a foreign for a lot of people. Yes, this this tight

00:50:31 --> 00:50:35

festiveness and I think it's cut them is one of the best. Why is it

00:50:35 --> 00:50:39

move people? It's an extra it's a reflection of event. Because you

00:50:39 --> 00:50:42

believe that there's no limit. There's no limit to the sustenance

00:50:42 --> 00:50:46

that Allah has. Whereas stinginess is the opposite. It's like there's

00:50:46 --> 00:50:47

a limit

00:50:48 --> 00:50:50

to the to the sustenance that Allah has revealed.

00:50:51 --> 00:50:55

So it sounds like to me that it's just kind of the generosity of

00:50:55 --> 00:50:59

people that was the biggest What did an episode Some say the first

00:50:59 --> 00:51:04

thing he came to Medina? Yeah, even as I'm sure salaam, what the

00:51:04 --> 00:51:11

mood bomb was, or hum. Saloon has neon. That's a big setup. Yeah,

00:51:11 --> 00:51:15

the first thing that the social things, say salam to one another.

00:51:15 --> 00:51:19

He didn't say Okay, now, this is haram, this is haram Be sure you

00:51:19 --> 00:51:24

do this, don't do this, you know, get yourselves you know, together,

00:51:24 --> 00:51:27

you know, become a fraternity, you know, have love for and affection

00:51:27 --> 00:51:31

for one another, connect with one another and collect this one thing

00:51:31 --> 00:51:34

that blew me away in Islam, the collective connectivity with

00:51:34 --> 00:51:38

Allah. It's not just me. And I'm the whole collective the first

00:51:38 --> 00:51:42

time I saw saw that in Jamaat, it blew me away upon the whole

00:51:42 --> 00:51:47

concept that you know, you have not simply your personal

00:51:47 --> 00:51:52

connection, you have this whole Jamaat and for Muslims, they

00:51:52 --> 00:51:54

really blows them away. Because how did you get blown away by

00:51:54 --> 00:51:59

something we see every day we see new phases. We never even thought

00:51:59 --> 00:52:03

about that. For somebody you never seen that. Yeah, it's mind

00:52:03 --> 00:52:06

boggling. You know, sometimes I think the best thing for Muslims

00:52:06 --> 00:52:10

is to be tossed somewhere. Now, this is probably not the case

00:52:10 --> 00:52:13

anymore, because we're all exposed to everything on the internet. But

00:52:13 --> 00:52:18

for Muslim youth to be flung somewhere far from Islam. We

00:52:18 --> 00:52:22

wouldn't actually do that. But when life does that to somebody, I

00:52:22 --> 00:52:25

there's so many stories of people who their way their appreciation

00:52:25 --> 00:52:29

of time only occurred when they lost all of it, if not lost it,

00:52:29 --> 00:52:32

but they were in an environment that was totally the opposite.

00:52:32 --> 00:52:35

They realized, wow, like, we would never this would never go on in

00:52:35 --> 00:52:39

our society or in our family. That's an interesting story about

00:52:39 --> 00:52:39

that.

00:52:40 --> 00:52:45

When I was a student in Makkah, we're talking about back in 70s,

00:52:45 --> 00:52:46

you know, late 70s.

00:52:48 --> 00:52:51

So in you know, in traditional Arab society, you've got the

00:52:51 --> 00:52:55

Rwanda Yeah, they're a little informal village chief. Right.

00:52:55 --> 00:52:58

Yeah. Well, actually, this was in Makkah. So I mean, every every

00:52:58 --> 00:53:02

Mahalla? Yeah, every, you know, section of this, of the of the

00:53:02 --> 00:53:04

town has got the influential guy like

00:53:06 --> 00:53:09

the tribal chief, if you will, but I mean, he's the big shot of the

00:53:09 --> 00:53:12

of the area. So anyway, so they're under that height where we lived,

00:53:12 --> 00:53:14

and they see it in Makkah.

00:53:15 --> 00:53:19

So he had a little General Store, and his young son used to sit on

00:53:19 --> 00:53:22

that store. So when I used to come from the Haram at night,

00:53:23 --> 00:53:28

and, you know, I used to just talk with this kid for a while. Nice

00:53:28 --> 00:53:30

kid, you know, I'd give him Dawa, and talk with him.

00:53:32 --> 00:53:36

Clean shaven, nothing really outstanding, just typical Saudi

00:53:36 --> 00:53:38

kid. And he happened to be the son of the

00:53:39 --> 00:53:44

top of it. So and then I interestingly, I gave him he said,

00:53:44 --> 00:53:46

You got any good books you can give me so I gave him the route to

00:53:46 --> 00:53:50

Saudi? Two days, three days, like she got anymore. I was really

00:53:50 --> 00:53:50

good.

00:53:51 --> 00:53:54

Did you read the whole thing? said, Yeah, I read the whole thing

00:53:54 --> 00:53:55

cover to cover cheap.

00:53:56 --> 00:54:00

I mean, but how many of those Hadith did you actually act on

00:54:00 --> 00:54:05

them? Yeah. Anyway, that's great. You did anyway. Nice kid. So one

00:54:05 --> 00:54:07

day, he says to me, you know, Chef,

00:54:09 --> 00:54:10

I'm gonna go to America. I'm gonna go to America.

00:54:13 --> 00:54:14

And I'm like, what?

00:54:16 --> 00:54:21

You want to go where? I'm gonna go to my brother's there. And he's

00:54:21 --> 00:54:23

studying English. And I want to go there.

00:54:25 --> 00:54:29

And you have no clue what's going on in America. Everybody in the

00:54:29 --> 00:54:32

world. Every Muslim wants to come here and mocha and you want to get

00:54:32 --> 00:54:38

America? Khan really? Now that he I mean, he was like, some this

00:54:38 --> 00:54:41

guy. He was determined. No way. I'm going to talk him out of that.

00:54:41 --> 00:54:44

Okay. All right. We're gonna go to America. Okay, let me tell you

00:54:44 --> 00:54:49

something. You are not a number one. You're Muslim. You're an

00:54:49 --> 00:54:54

Arab. from Saudi Arabia. You're from Makkah. I mean, like you are

00:54:54 --> 00:54:58

the epitome of being a Muslim. Yeah, everybody's gonna be focused

00:54:58 --> 00:54:59

here. The demographic

00:55:00 --> 00:55:03

Yeah, you're the you're, you're the you're the, yeah, you're the

00:55:03 --> 00:55:07

index. So you go to America, everybody's gonna be looking at

00:55:07 --> 00:55:10

you and you're gonna be the representative of Islam and, you

00:55:10 --> 00:55:13

know, don't screw around. If you're, you can't be messing

00:55:13 --> 00:55:19

around over there kind of like. So if you gotta go there, just keep

00:55:19 --> 00:55:23

that in mind. And the second thing is, you're gonna sink over there

00:55:23 --> 00:55:25

unless you get contact with the right people. So I'm gonna give

00:55:25 --> 00:55:29

you some addresses, and some phone numbers. And as soon as you get

00:55:29 --> 00:55:35

there, you contact these people, okay? said okay. Anyway, he goes,

00:55:35 --> 00:55:40

I don't see him for the next four or five months or whatever. Then I

00:55:40 --> 00:55:42

come back, I'm coming back one night, and there he is sitting on

00:55:42 --> 00:55:45

the shop. This time with a beard.

00:55:47 --> 00:55:48

Right, yeah.

00:55:50 --> 00:55:55

So I said, Simon, we Mashallah. And you're back. What is jazz or

00:55:55 --> 00:55:59

what? And he said his typical Saudi, and I never forget the

00:55:59 --> 00:56:01

exact lalala shape. But Dominica.

00:56:06 --> 00:56:09

Yeah, give it up. I just, you know, throw it out.

00:56:10 --> 00:56:14

Okay, so what happened? That's what he said. So, you know, you

00:56:14 --> 00:56:15

said, Look,

00:56:16 --> 00:56:20

you know, I'm born in Makkah. I never saw caffeine.

00:56:21 --> 00:56:25

I never saw. Yeah. I mean, there's no way for me to even

00:56:26 --> 00:56:31

conceptualize what a caffeine and Cooper disbelief we never saw

00:56:31 --> 00:56:34

that. In those days, you wouldn't even see, you know, a woman

00:56:34 --> 00:56:37

improperly dressed, you know, or anything like for that man.

00:56:38 --> 00:56:41

And then, you know, then I went to America, and I got in as soon as I

00:56:41 --> 00:56:46

got down to the airport was like, shock. Yeah, what do I do? And

00:56:46 --> 00:56:49

then luckily, I remembered, you know, you'd give me an I call them

00:56:49 --> 00:56:53

this wonderful one of our brothers from around here. It was JFK, he

00:56:53 --> 00:56:56

would he would have landed into my brother's, you know, picked him

00:56:56 --> 00:56:56

up.

00:56:57 --> 00:57:00

He said that saved my life. Otherwise, I would have, I would

00:57:00 --> 00:57:03

have probably died of a heart attack right there. And then I'm

00:57:03 --> 00:57:08

telling you, contrast is an extremely important part of

00:57:08 --> 00:57:14

shootin Mina. You cannot actually, we supposed to be grateful. But I

00:57:14 --> 00:57:17

can't be grateful for something I don't really truly understand.

00:57:17 --> 00:57:20

Yeah, that's right. And we know a thing by its opposite.

00:57:21 --> 00:57:25

So should the contrast idea the contrast is so important. There

00:57:25 --> 00:57:30

has to be a contrast, right? And I've always noticed it against my

00:57:30 --> 00:57:34

relatives in comparison myself against my relatives in Egypt, who

00:57:34 --> 00:57:40

never got really close to them, but I saw them and how foreign to

00:57:40 --> 00:57:44

them? My mentality is to them. And I'm sure a lot of people are like

00:57:44 --> 00:57:48

that. They just don't understand why I'm into this stuff. Right?

00:57:48 --> 00:57:51

They don't get it at all. It's because you guys don't have

00:57:51 --> 00:57:56

contrast. We have a great contrast here. So the key is, what is the

00:57:56 --> 00:58:02

shutter a way of giving you the contrast? I think in the old days,

00:58:02 --> 00:58:08

it was jihad. Go out to the to the hinterlands. Yeah, give Dawa.

00:58:09 --> 00:58:12

Right, maybe join the army. See what those enemies are like.

00:58:12 --> 00:58:14

Because they're when they're out in the

00:58:15 --> 00:58:18

on the edges. They're not just they're fighting the whole time.

00:58:18 --> 00:58:21

Sometimes there's no war. So you go out, go to the marketplace of

00:58:21 --> 00:58:25

those, you know, Spaniards or Crusaders, whatever. There's some

00:58:25 --> 00:58:30

interaction here. Right? There's contrast. But it's sorry. Because

00:58:30 --> 00:58:34

you can't you can't Yeah, do it in a wrong way, either. Right. And

00:58:34 --> 00:58:37

then I'm Jada J. Lee. And I'm Jana Ville, Islam. Subhan. Allah,

00:58:37 --> 00:58:41

that's so important. So you got to do it in a way. That's why when a

00:58:41 --> 00:58:44

lot of people ask me about conferences, said, Look, my kids,

00:58:44 --> 00:58:45

they go to Muslim school.

00:58:46 --> 00:58:50

They two, three times a week, they spent half the day in the masjid,

00:58:50 --> 00:58:55

like with me on the job, right? Now, when we get a vacation, I'm

00:58:55 --> 00:58:57

not gonna go take them to an Islamic conference after that,

00:58:57 --> 00:59:03

right? It's like it's too much. So I want them to see a contrast. So

00:59:03 --> 00:59:06

we'll go to a big city, take a vacation and like Boston,

00:59:06 --> 00:59:10

Virginia, or just go camping, like there's got to be a contrast where

00:59:10 --> 00:59:14

they're able or we join the local soccer teams, you gotta be able to

00:59:14 --> 00:59:19

see what the world is like, but in a way that is mature. You really

00:59:19 --> 00:59:21

don't get caught by it. Yeah, well, they're not gonna get

00:59:21 --> 00:59:25

caught. And it's not irresponsible parenting. Right? There could be a

00:59:25 --> 00:59:27

common sense where a lot of parents they want to do this,

00:59:27 --> 00:59:30

like, I want my kid to know what's out there. But it's done in an

00:59:30 --> 00:59:34

irresponsible way. You can be asked by Allah what you did. So I

00:59:34 --> 00:59:39

wanted to be in a shut it way. And small regular dosages. And the big

00:59:39 --> 00:59:43

nama for us is that we're next to New York. Because there you'll see

00:59:43 --> 00:59:46

like the heart of this limit, right? When you get when they go

00:59:46 --> 00:59:51

to New York City, it's like just the peripheral vision gives you an

00:59:51 --> 00:59:55

education about what people are, how they're like, what they're

00:59:55 --> 00:59:58

going through, stuff like that. And one of the biggest things it's

00:59:58 --> 00:59:59

not like a knock but

01:00:00 --> 01:00:04

On the East Coast, people tend to be a bit suspicious and not

01:00:04 --> 01:00:08

friendly. In the south, I think they're friendly. So when you say,

01:00:08 --> 01:00:11

Oh, hey, go do this. And like man that people are not friendlier.

01:00:12 --> 01:00:16

He's not like, going in the masjid and talking to anybody. Right. So

01:00:16 --> 01:00:20

their contrast, like that's so important. And that's probably

01:00:20 --> 01:00:23

what you're coming from. And he finally got a contrast this young

01:00:23 --> 01:00:28

man in Mecca, probably trust, and now we appreciate Islam after.

01:00:29 --> 01:00:34

Yeah, so that's why this is I said, for example, Salaat Yeah,

01:00:35 --> 01:00:38

I've seen it all your life. From day one. You've seen saliva.

01:00:38 --> 01:00:43

You've seen mustards. The first time I saw Saladin Gmod was on a

01:00:43 --> 01:00:44

boat

01:00:45 --> 01:00:49

speaking of Egypt, and I went from Cairo down Nile to Aswan.

01:00:51 --> 01:00:53

You know, those people are really nice down at us one beautiful,

01:00:54 --> 01:00:57

beautiful it's a whole different thing. Cairo I was fine as soon as

01:00:57 --> 01:01:00

I got out of the limits of Cairo. Yeah, I was.

01:01:02 --> 01:01:06

Gonna cave was like, I just got down there in the middle of the

01:01:06 --> 01:01:08

CBO. I always look for the cheapest place to live in. It's

01:01:08 --> 01:01:10

always in the middle of the city. Yeah.

01:01:12 --> 01:01:15

In the near the opera, there was an old opera down. Yeah. I

01:01:15 --> 01:01:18

remember that name, but I can't remember whatever that area was.

01:01:19 --> 01:01:22

So and then the thing was, he would go, you would just go

01:01:22 --> 01:01:26

outside and all these little restaurants. So you'd have all of

01:01:26 --> 01:01:30

these pots and pans you know, they'd be serving out of. So the

01:01:30 --> 01:01:33

guy that's serving things, he's a drummer also. And so.

01:01:35 --> 01:01:39

So he's got to be, you know, counting these things. It's just

01:01:39 --> 01:01:43

overwhelming, you know? Yeah. Anyway, so that's why they do so

01:01:43 --> 01:01:46

good in New York City, like Egyptians. When Egyptians come to

01:01:46 --> 01:01:50

New York to do business to buy and sell in New York City. They

01:01:50 --> 01:01:53

steamroll the competition. Like all the little side businesses,

01:01:53 --> 01:01:58

especially food in Egypt, in New York City, it's Egyptians. They've

01:01:58 --> 01:02:01

steamrolled anybody who's in the cart business, right. Like the

01:02:03 --> 01:02:06

the cart food business. They know how to get the attention. Keep the

01:02:06 --> 01:02:10

attention. Such hustling muck of these to do that. Yeah, remember

01:02:10 --> 01:02:12

that falafel guy? Yeah, he was.

01:02:13 --> 01:02:14

So

01:02:15 --> 01:02:16

we I go down to a swan.

01:02:18 --> 01:02:22

And I have to go with this big boy hate on us here if you're familiar

01:02:22 --> 01:02:26

with that. This is that it's there's a big dam, the end of

01:02:27 --> 01:02:28

either I don't remember whether it was in

01:02:30 --> 01:02:35

the dam would have been in Egypt. Sudan, which is a huge lake,

01:02:35 --> 01:02:38

manmade lake. Three days journey. It was or something.

01:02:39 --> 01:02:42

And it was this old boat like Mark Twain kind of a thing. paddled

01:02:42 --> 01:02:46

back and Wow, that's crazy. Yeah, like the Mississippi River. So

01:02:46 --> 01:02:50

yeah, but this is the Nile not the sin yet. And you're going against

01:02:50 --> 01:02:53

the current to go south? Yeah. Because the Nile is only river

01:02:53 --> 01:02:56

that goes north. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah, the only

01:02:56 --> 01:03:00

it's the only river in the world that actually goes reverse instead

01:03:00 --> 01:03:03

of from the ocean to the lake. It goes from the lake to the ocean.

01:03:03 --> 01:03:09

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So at the end of that lake boy hate on us here

01:03:09 --> 01:03:13

is why the Khalifa is beginning of Sudan. So you land in Sudan. You

01:03:13 --> 01:03:16

start off in Egypt, and you end up in Sudan, beginning of Sudan.

01:03:17 --> 01:03:22

So on this boat, there were these Sudanic there was bedded with

01:03:22 --> 01:03:26

these Bedouins from Sudan. And they used to sell their camels in

01:03:26 --> 01:03:26

Egypt.

01:03:28 --> 01:03:31

And they would sell the camels and they would be coming back, Sudan.

01:03:32 --> 01:03:35

And so these guys would call the Abon on the boat, and then they

01:03:35 --> 01:03:37

would offer salad in Jamaat.

01:03:39 --> 01:03:40

So

01:03:41 --> 01:03:44

I was with another there was another Afro American guy was a

01:03:44 --> 01:03:49

bass player. And he thought his ancestors are from Ethiopia. So we

01:03:49 --> 01:03:51

hooked up in s one. So we're traveling together. So we're

01:03:51 --> 01:03:55

sitting here, two of us. And these guys they call the Athan, which

01:03:55 --> 01:03:58

I've been hearing all day long, but you know, because they're in

01:03:58 --> 01:04:02

Maliki mother. You don't go in the masjid. He doesn't allow that.

01:04:02 --> 01:04:05

Yeah. non Muslim. So no, I think it's the looser. But in those

01:04:05 --> 01:04:08

days, you know, we're not allowed in the masjid and you wouldn't

01:04:09 --> 01:04:13

dare set foot. I mean, it's like taboo and so I never got to go

01:04:13 --> 01:04:16

into a masjid. Previously, I always wanted to do that fairs and

01:04:16 --> 01:04:19

all these places could see these places that were just amazing. But

01:04:19 --> 01:04:22

yeah, I never went inside. So I never actually saw the Muslims

01:04:22 --> 01:04:23

praying.

01:04:24 --> 01:04:25

And listen Jamaat.

01:04:27 --> 01:04:30

So now this guy calls the Athan and then I'm sitting there

01:04:30 --> 01:04:31

watching I know I've never seen this before.

01:04:33 --> 01:04:36

Ryan can resonate with this probably, you know, but listen to

01:04:36 --> 01:04:41

him. Saw don't do what? So what?

01:04:42 --> 01:04:45

So I love it, then they stand up in this line.

01:04:46 --> 01:04:49

You know, if you go to a church or a synagogue, and these places did

01:04:49 --> 01:04:52

nothing like this, yeah, there's no last single some songs and

01:04:52 --> 01:04:56

we're standing in chairs. These guys are standing up. This guy

01:04:56 --> 01:04:59

says Allahu Akbar. And it's like

01:05:00 --> 01:05:04

cut off. And all these other guys back Allahu Akbar. It's like one

01:05:04 --> 01:05:11

body, one focus. And it's like, wow, these geysers, this is a

01:05:11 --> 01:05:13

serious thing I've ever seen, you know?

01:05:15 --> 01:05:19

And then to totally quiet totally still. And then Allahu Akbar, like

01:05:19 --> 01:05:21

one body record.

01:05:25 --> 01:05:28

And keeping in mind, these are bed wounds, you know, simple people,

01:05:28 --> 01:05:32

but this discipline is just something out, it's almost

01:05:32 --> 01:05:33

superhuman.

01:05:35 --> 01:05:38

And then some Mula huitema. Then when the Allahu Akbar did they all

01:05:38 --> 01:05:40

went into such dot

01:05:41 --> 01:05:44

that just blew me away. Subhanallah

01:05:45 --> 01:05:50

That's it. That's it. That's what I that's what I'm looking for that

01:05:50 --> 01:05:56

that Ryan's resonating. So Right. Yeah. Because, I mean, that's the

01:05:56 --> 01:06:02

ultimate of humanity in front of the creators can't get, it doesn't

01:06:02 --> 01:06:05

get better than that. So whatever religion that's in, that's what it

01:06:05 --> 01:06:08

is. And I knew what religion that's in. So it's like, but I'm

01:06:08 --> 01:06:10

already Ethiopia, I've gone all these waves. So that's, um, the

01:06:10 --> 01:06:14

back of my mind. But from that moment, it was like, that's what

01:06:14 --> 01:06:18

it is. It's amazing. You made the intention to get to

01:06:20 --> 01:06:25

Ethiopia, but you're getting an education way before? Yeah, yes.

01:06:25 --> 01:06:28

So this month, Allah has, you know, I had a history teacher,

01:06:29 --> 01:06:32

from us her in op X. And most of the teachers are outside. He's

01:06:32 --> 01:06:38

here in McAllen those days, in the Jamya. So we had Dr. Hudson share

01:06:38 --> 01:06:43

with us a very well known story and scholar about salary. So when

01:06:43 --> 01:06:46

I first met him, and I was signing up for his class, and he talked to

01:06:46 --> 01:06:48

me he want to know, what's your story? He said, hatherleigh your

01:06:48 --> 01:06:48

call?

01:06:51 --> 01:06:54

Said that doesn't make any sense. I mean, what what he wants to hear

01:06:54 --> 01:06:57

something logical why they accept Islam, I gave him like proofs.

01:06:57 --> 01:06:57

Yeah, I

01:06:59 --> 01:07:02

just couldn't figure that out. But we, we really developed a love

01:07:02 --> 01:07:05

affair. I mean, it was, it was awesome.

01:07:06 --> 01:07:10

Russia Dean was just fantastic. Anyway.

01:07:11 --> 01:07:12

So

01:07:14 --> 01:07:19

yeah, just to seeing this, you know, the salaat. It just like

01:07:19 --> 01:07:21

knocked me out. So when I got to Ethiopia,

01:07:22 --> 01:07:25

I still don't know anything other than, you know, like this. This,

01:07:26 --> 01:07:29

that I was in Sudan, and Sudan, all kinds of things happen. And

01:07:29 --> 01:07:33

then finally, when I got to Ethiopia, the, you know, the straw

01:07:33 --> 01:07:38

that broke the camel's back, if you will, was I actually did end

01:07:38 --> 01:07:42

up connecting with these Coptic monks, the ones that I was, you

01:07:42 --> 01:07:43

know, the box set as it were.

01:07:45 --> 01:07:45

And,

01:07:47 --> 01:07:50

and if you remember back, the whole thing was, you know, the one

01:07:50 --> 01:07:52

I'm looking for, he knows what I'm looking for. He's gonna take me

01:07:52 --> 01:07:56

there. So I didn't know how I don't know. But yeah, and I

01:07:56 --> 01:07:59

couldn't even imagine that. That's how it would end up. So when I got

01:07:59 --> 01:08:03

to Ethiopia, and I found these monks and I mean, she talked about

01:08:03 --> 01:08:07

Zuid Oh, my God. I mean, these guys didn't Yeah, there wasn't it

01:08:07 --> 01:08:11

wasn't in the equations. I mean, these guys lived in caves. They

01:08:11 --> 01:08:15

grasp the growing of the out of the wild and well, you know, I

01:08:15 --> 01:08:18

mean, celibacy and, and zoo hood and

01:08:19 --> 01:08:23

but more than a dunya you know, distance from anything worldly.

01:08:23 --> 01:08:27

But in spite of that, there was no mood on their faces.

01:08:30 --> 01:08:33

You know, so you know, you're getting a contrast after Islam.

01:08:33 --> 01:08:36

Yeah. After seeing these Muslims all happy, newer, you know, you

01:08:36 --> 01:08:40

can sense it, and being an artist and a musician and a hippie and

01:08:40 --> 01:08:42

all that. So that's what we're looking at anyway. You know,

01:08:42 --> 01:08:47

that's what Yeah, that's the vibe, you know, this vibe is not cool at

01:08:47 --> 01:08:51

all. Like, it ended up because their skin was was dark, their

01:08:51 --> 01:08:56

continents was dark. They just do weren't happy. They weren't like,

01:08:56 --> 01:09:00

you know, Basha, you know, like, you know, continents of joy or

01:09:01 --> 01:09:06

just like, you know, like, you might have, you know, recollect

01:09:06 --> 01:09:10

there was an incident where, oh my god, the law passed by some monks,

01:09:10 --> 01:09:12

you know, that were in their soma and

01:09:13 --> 01:09:16

um, you know, Amita Nasi bought Tesla not on hommy Oh, look at

01:09:16 --> 01:09:19

their faces they're they're so engaged in his struggling and

01:09:19 --> 01:09:27

their Tjahaja you know, the effort and but the end result is Yeah, is

01:09:27 --> 01:09:30

disaster so that's kind of like what I it kind of hit me up this

01:09:31 --> 01:09:36

was no no, so it struck me that the religion that's that's really

01:09:36 --> 01:09:39

going to be solving the world's problems from the Divine, it's

01:09:39 --> 01:09:43

going to lighten up because it's going to produce gonna relax a

01:09:43 --> 01:09:45

parasite in light. There's no light there's darkness on there.

01:09:46 --> 01:09:50

These guys are wrong when they have to talk to him. I just looked

01:09:50 --> 01:09:51

at these guys.

01:09:53 --> 01:09:57

Right like you know how I always say that. Bidet Fisk heresy

01:09:57 --> 01:09:59

whatever it is heresy inside of us.

01:10:00 --> 01:10:05

Lam untruths outside of Islam, that Allah Tala out of His mercy,

01:10:05 --> 01:10:09

He gives a sign on the face of the people to the common man who is

01:10:09 --> 01:10:13

not going to read proofs. Right. And you see that with the monks of

01:10:13 --> 01:10:18

Christianity and the hairsplitting Jews of Judaism, where these laws

01:10:18 --> 01:10:22

that make no sense, right, like you got this not so unnatural. The

01:10:22 --> 01:10:25

way you're living is so unnatural, the other side, right? And even

01:10:25 --> 01:10:29

bit out within Islam. Yeah, like the Shia flagellation, that's from

01:10:29 --> 01:10:32

ALLAH SubhanA, WA Tada to keep everyone else away. Like, I'm not

01:10:32 --> 01:10:36

doing whatever that thing is, that can't be right. Like that cannot

01:10:36 --> 01:10:40

be with God's religion. And then other groups, likewise, they do

01:10:40 --> 01:10:45

something to themselves, which turns off the fitrah. Like, it's

01:10:45 --> 01:10:49

too ugly, it's too wild. It's too extreme. It's too legalistic. It's

01:10:49 --> 01:10:54

too denying, like Zillow to an extreme. I can't do that. I mean,

01:10:54 --> 01:10:57

I go talk to some of these fitrah Christians who became Protestants,

01:10:58 --> 01:11:03

like so either the path of God or marrying a woman. Right? That's

01:11:03 --> 01:11:07

why why would you do that to me, right? What's the tyranny of or in

01:11:07 --> 01:11:12

the genius of an SubhanAllah? That's how it is. So, so tell me,

01:11:12 --> 01:11:15

just out of curiosity, did they have generosity to the guest?

01:11:17 --> 01:11:18

These Christian monks,

01:11:19 --> 01:11:22

as I said, I didn't really I didn't have to interact with him.

01:11:22 --> 01:11:25

Just they weren't, like, you know, welcoming or anything like that.

01:11:25 --> 01:11:27

I'm interested in this and it wasn't like,

01:11:28 --> 01:11:33

like, they were moved from anywhere. So it as soon as I saw

01:11:33 --> 01:11:35

them, I was just turned off. Yeah, so that was the end of the story.

01:11:35 --> 01:11:40

And by this time, by this time, I most of the people I would be

01:11:40 --> 01:11:43

connecting with would be Muslims. That's just our this month, I'll

01:11:43 --> 01:11:46

set it up. And ultimately,

01:11:48 --> 01:11:54

it's amazing how I actually, you know, just took the stance that

01:11:54 --> 01:11:59

okay, I want to swim No. So they're in Ethiopia.

01:12:00 --> 01:12:03

So I was traveling all around, you know, as a music musician, just

01:12:03 --> 01:12:08

anywhere you go, you can play music and kind of get over. And so

01:12:08 --> 01:12:12

I was traveling around all over various villages. So I was in a

01:12:12 --> 01:12:14

village, and there was this.

01:12:16 --> 01:12:17

This fellow young guy,

01:12:18 --> 01:12:22

who was sitting in a little cafe, and then he comes out and he says,

01:12:22 --> 01:12:23

what are you what are you and

01:12:24 --> 01:12:27

through a translator actually speak English?

01:12:28 --> 01:12:32

And then so he says, Well, you know, me, I'm a sport, man. I

01:12:32 --> 01:12:35

mean, I put on the sport shows, like,

01:12:37 --> 01:12:41

car drives over him. I bought her on his streams and stuff, extreme,

01:12:41 --> 01:12:45

weird stuff that he puts on his show, and says, You're a musician.

01:12:45 --> 01:12:49

So let's let's, you know, make a collaboration. And we're unchosen

01:12:49 --> 01:12:53

a great, wonderful. So we started traveling around and doing this

01:12:53 --> 01:12:56

Ethiopian villages and Ethiopian village. That's crazy. And now

01:12:56 --> 01:13:00

Ethiopian villages. Very interestingly, people may not know

01:13:00 --> 01:13:04

this was no oh, by the way. We know you hear all this?

01:13:06 --> 01:13:11

No, is it knows a Ethiopian? Yeah. See what he says? Here's what my

01:13:11 --> 01:13:14

father said. Same thing, when accepting Islam from Ethiopian

01:13:15 --> 01:13:19

Orthodox Christian backgrounds. SubhanAllah. Well, gee, you

01:13:20 --> 01:13:24

so, so this guy is a Christian.

01:13:25 --> 01:13:29

And there's a there's a very distinct divide, obviously, you

01:13:29 --> 01:13:32

know, between the two and they don't really get along super well.

01:13:32 --> 01:13:35

And they definitely don't eat each other's food, the Christians and

01:13:35 --> 01:13:38

the Muslims. Okay. Yeah. I mean, you wouldn't notice that

01:13:38 --> 01:13:40

immediately. But if you look a little bit deeper, yeah, there's

01:13:40 --> 01:13:48

definitely been Omarosa. There's a clear divide. And so wherever

01:13:48 --> 01:13:51

village we go, and people don't know this, perhaps, that at least

01:13:51 --> 01:13:54

in those days, this was during the time of Haile Selassie, by the

01:13:54 --> 01:14:00

way, not only Selassie was that emperor, he was really iconic. For

01:14:00 --> 01:14:04

the afro Americans. Also, this guy had some kind of special, like, he

01:14:04 --> 01:14:08

was the I forget what they the Lion of Judah, or some weird

01:14:09 --> 01:14:10

nomenclature they had about this guy.

01:14:12 --> 01:14:17

But at any rate, it wasn't a good time for Muslims, not at any time

01:14:17 --> 01:14:20

after there was as well. But that was particularly a tough because

01:14:20 --> 01:14:21

he was tough on Muslims.

01:14:24 --> 01:14:28

So anyway, and half of the population are Muslims. I mean,

01:14:28 --> 01:14:32

that was the first major right, that was the first you know,

01:14:32 --> 01:14:38

immigration was was Ethiopia. And you know, the jazz you accepted

01:14:38 --> 01:14:39

Islam, you know.

01:14:41 --> 01:14:45

So they have a very rich, we're hoping to actually have a tour go

01:14:45 --> 01:14:47

to Ethiopia, love to do this.

01:14:48 --> 01:14:51

I haven't been back there since. So

01:14:52 --> 01:14:55

half of the population are Muslim. So whatever village we would go

01:14:55 --> 01:14:58

to, like I would gravitate toward the Muslims. And then my buddy,

01:14:58 --> 01:14:59

you know

01:15:00 --> 01:15:03

used to kind of earn him you know that was, and then I wouldn't you

01:15:03 --> 01:15:06

know, then I would eat. They don't eat each other's food and why

01:15:06 --> 01:15:11

you're going with them to be with us. I don't feel like anyway. So

01:15:11 --> 01:15:15

we went to we came to this village. And I'm just walking down

01:15:15 --> 01:15:18

the streets a dirt road is typical, small, little village.

01:15:20 --> 01:15:24

So some guy comes running up from behind. And he grabs me started,

01:15:24 --> 01:15:27

he says, I heard there's some American Muslim in our village. Is

01:15:27 --> 01:15:28

that you?

01:15:31 --> 01:15:35

So I said, Well, I can't imagine any other American walking around

01:15:35 --> 01:15:40

here in your village. So I guess that's me. You know that he took

01:15:40 --> 01:15:43

my hand and look at me see other. Hi, you're Muslim.

01:15:45 --> 01:15:50

How do you get that? That's good. Oh, yeah. What's that? No, being

01:15:50 --> 01:15:53

the hippie me, you know? Yeah. You know, what kind of which then do

01:15:53 --> 01:15:56

we have here? He says, look, look at your hand. Here. You see,

01:15:56 --> 01:16:02

that's one and eight. Very clear. Some people it's not really clear

01:16:02 --> 01:16:04

doesn't connect here. Uh huh. And if that's the case, then you got a

01:16:04 --> 01:16:05

problem. Oh.

01:16:07 --> 01:16:12

So he said, one and eight. Then you got eight and one very clear.

01:16:12 --> 01:16:15

99 means Oh, yeah. Oh my god.

01:16:18 --> 01:16:23

18 and 81. Yeah. And, and how did you react to that? Yeah, that's

01:16:23 --> 01:16:26

all I need it. So let's move on to the you know, because already all

01:16:26 --> 01:16:30

this time, it's just I just needed that. Anything. Just a little push

01:16:30 --> 01:16:34

always knows what is going to, you know, do for who?

01:16:35 --> 01:16:40

So that that's all I needed. Okay. Yep. Okay, done. That's it. Now,

01:16:40 --> 01:16:43

what did you know about a concept of taking Shahada? No, no clue

01:16:43 --> 01:16:46

whatsoever? Yeah. And then they didn't either. So you just

01:16:50 --> 01:16:54

so yeah, so when people ask you Who gave you a shot? Nobody. I use

01:16:54 --> 01:16:57

just one of the more I just want to listen and so that's it. That's

01:16:58 --> 01:16:59

it. So

01:17:01 --> 01:17:03

so now this guy he turns out he's a school teacher and actually

01:17:03 --> 01:17:05

using that he was he was an English teacher. That's why you

01:17:05 --> 01:17:06

knew English, you know.

01:17:08 --> 01:17:09

So now he takes me home

01:17:11 --> 01:17:15

and feeds me this pot. You know, the Scott was loosely leave that

01:17:15 --> 01:17:17

in Yemen to you know, they actually get it from Ethiopia. But

01:17:17 --> 01:17:20

the best is from Ethiopia. That's where they get Yeah, mostly comes

01:17:20 --> 01:17:26

from me. If not all of it. Yeah. So we sit up all night eating the

01:17:26 --> 01:17:29

spot. And he's teaching me the alphabet, olive Bata. So by

01:17:29 --> 01:17:33

Fudger, those in a salad or Fajr, anything, but this year, he was

01:17:33 --> 01:17:36

teaching me the alphabet, you know, and that was, that was

01:17:36 --> 01:17:39

great. You know, so by, by the time it's daybreak, so I know the

01:17:39 --> 01:17:40

alphabet now.

01:17:41 --> 01:17:46

Well, and plus I was a vegetarian. You know, all good. hippies are

01:17:46 --> 01:17:50

Yeah, yeah. So and nice. But so even anything, I wouldn't eat

01:17:50 --> 01:17:53

meat. And that was a big thing in all these countries meat is Oh,

01:17:53 --> 01:17:55

yeah. But I wouldn't read meat.

01:17:56 --> 01:17:59

But they said no, but in Islam, you know, our Prophet eat meat and

01:17:59 --> 01:18:03

you know, you gotta be okay. Okay, forget. Don't worry about fetch.

01:18:06 --> 01:18:10

At least. Okay. So I say that mean, and I got sick as a dog.

01:18:11 --> 01:18:15

Fine. Well, your nervous system, your digest? Yeah, it's just a

01:18:15 --> 01:18:18

that plus Ethiopian food. I don't know if you've seen it. It's as

01:18:18 --> 01:18:23

red as your culture with spices with with red pepper. Yeah, okay.

01:18:23 --> 01:18:26

I mean, when they eat it, well, that's part of their that they're

01:18:26 --> 01:18:29

talking and I figured out why because there's so much red

01:18:29 --> 01:18:32

pepper. Like, no, it's phenomenal.

01:18:34 --> 01:18:37

Yeah, I don't know what sign is why, but that's what they do.

01:18:38 --> 01:18:43

Anyway, so now now I'm a Muslim philosopher. That's it. I'm a

01:18:43 --> 01:18:47

Muslim and and now is I'm going to go back to Addis Ababa. And I'm

01:18:47 --> 01:18:50

going to go start learning Arabic. And I'm going to end I'm going to

01:18:50 --> 01:18:54

be Muslim now. That's it. If I go until my buddy going,

01:18:55 --> 01:19:00

Oh, that was like Scanlon MAN Yeah, can't you know we're

01:19:00 --> 01:19:05

brothers in Sorry man. That's that's the end I'm going so I'm

01:19:05 --> 01:19:06

back to Addis Ababa

01:19:07 --> 01:19:07

and

01:19:09 --> 01:19:12

and I didn't know anybody I don't know what I'm doing but like

01:19:12 --> 01:19:15

everywhere else okay. He's gonna show me what to do so I went down

01:19:15 --> 01:19:19

to the middle of the city already Ethiopian brotherhood know that in

01:19:19 --> 01:19:22

Mercado there's a big Masjid down there in the in the center of the

01:19:22 --> 01:19:26

city. We're always in the ghetto you know, Muslims, right. That's

01:19:26 --> 01:19:29

how we so I get this little room down there.

01:19:31 --> 01:19:32

And

01:19:33 --> 01:19:37

subhanAllah so I get this room and I'm right next to the masjid and I

01:19:37 --> 01:19:41

want to start being a Muslim. So the first thing I want to do is

01:19:41 --> 01:19:44

learn how to pray right? Yeah. So I went to my you know, these were

01:19:44 --> 01:19:47

some students or workers or whatever, and you know, okay, I'm

01:19:47 --> 01:19:51

Listen guys, you know, just like you and so I want to pray. Can you

01:19:51 --> 01:19:55

teach them how to pray? So well, we don't know how but let's go see

01:19:55 --> 01:19:59

if he knows you know. Subhanallah so I went to you know, so old

01:20:00 --> 01:20:02

timidly they said, Well, none of us really know how to pray. But

01:20:03 --> 01:20:05

just go to the mosque and then do what the people doing.

01:20:06 --> 01:20:10

Said, Okay. So I went to the masjid and it was it was Juma.

01:20:12 --> 01:20:16

Salatu. Juma and so you think that this is every prayer, in your mind

01:20:16 --> 01:20:19

was just like, oh, five times a day, we're gonna have Jim

01:20:21 --> 01:20:24

recollected that somehow I mean, I know, like, you knew that this was

01:20:24 --> 01:20:28

specific. It just so happened. I mean, just randomly, that's when I

01:20:28 --> 01:20:31

picked to go and it just happened to be doing. Yeah. Okay.

01:20:32 --> 01:20:36

So I get in and as I'm a little bit late, and like I was right in

01:20:36 --> 01:20:39

the bag, the whole place was packed. I was right in the very

01:20:39 --> 01:20:43

last row inside the masjid. And so then Allahu Akbar, you know, there

01:20:43 --> 01:20:47

was a football and then I saw the stand up, okay, just do what they

01:20:47 --> 01:20:47

do.

01:20:51 --> 01:20:51

And

01:20:52 --> 01:20:55

so I'm just, you know, checking them out and following along, and

01:20:55 --> 01:20:57

I'm okay. And then

01:20:58 --> 01:21:02

when I leave the masjid, and I see they're all offering no awful, you

01:21:02 --> 01:21:02

know,

01:21:04 --> 01:21:07

on the steps and outside, or Joe gets, you're supposed to do that,

01:21:07 --> 01:21:11

too. So, yeah. But the problem was, I had forgotten the sequence.

01:21:11 --> 01:21:15

Exactly. And exactly how so? So people started noticing that this

01:21:15 --> 01:21:19

guy looks weird, you know? Yeah, what he's doing? Yeah. And, and,

01:21:19 --> 01:21:21

you know, Ethiopia, particularly that time, it wasn't like a

01:21:21 --> 01:21:26

tourist spot. And then I'm used to having people. So it's like, you

01:21:26 --> 01:21:29

know, then they just started gathering around and pointing, I

01:21:29 --> 01:21:32

mean, I was like, you know, what's this guy who's with you? And I

01:21:32 --> 01:21:34

thought, Oh, my God, you know, this is my first and my last slot.

01:21:36 --> 01:21:39

And then ultimate, somebody comes up and just said something, and

01:21:39 --> 01:21:43

they all disperse. So, I don't know, it was an angel or whatever.

01:21:44 --> 01:21:47

But anyway, so then I went to Harada. And I went to do that when

01:21:47 --> 01:21:50

these places, you know, the traditional, free content that I

01:21:50 --> 01:21:55

started, that's where I started learning. And but yes, nobody said

01:21:55 --> 01:21:57

okay, c'est la la la, la manga, Shad, when I

01:21:59 --> 01:22:03

first shot it would have been when I learned to say shot in my jeep.

01:22:04 --> 01:22:07

And then it went on and on and ultimately went to Yemen. You

01:22:07 --> 01:22:11

know, what I love about these stories of people come into Islam,

01:22:11 --> 01:22:15

or they make Toba into, into practicing as Muslim, is that

01:22:15 --> 01:22:20

formula is named a VA hit the outwardly manifest. That means

01:22:20 --> 01:22:25

like to know that this religion is the truth should not take any more

01:22:25 --> 01:22:29

than a common sensical and fit three investigation. It's like

01:22:29 --> 01:22:34

your, like your journey. And it's, there's no investigation of

01:22:34 --> 01:22:36

theory, there is no absolute, there's not much thinking it's

01:22:36 --> 01:22:39

just being there. And then contrasting it with other groups.

01:22:40 --> 01:22:43

And then even the the Scylla is something it's the most important

01:22:43 --> 01:22:46

part of the religion. If there's a mosque, that's the easiest way to

01:22:46 --> 01:22:50

learn. And all you have to do is ask, What do you say when you're

01:22:50 --> 01:22:53

silent? Right? Like when in record, what do you all say? And

01:22:53 --> 01:22:55

it's due to what you're saying? Right? When you're silent? What do

01:22:55 --> 01:22:59

you all saying, and it takes just to study a fact and one sutra, but

01:22:59 --> 01:23:01

first how you don't even need to study. If someone just keeps going

01:23:01 --> 01:23:05

into the masjid, you're gonna hear fat enough, you're gonna memorize

01:23:05 --> 01:23:10

it eventually, in a few days, or a few months, weeks, I mean, so it's

01:23:10 --> 01:23:13

a thought. It's like, just like the sun and the moon and the ocean

01:23:13 --> 01:23:15

and the plants are out there. The truth of the true religion is

01:23:15 --> 01:23:19

going to be just out there. Yeah, it just needs to be seen by

01:23:19 --> 01:23:23

people. Most of the people except Islam here, and as you said, you

01:23:23 --> 01:23:27

have people who are academic by nature by, you know, by

01:23:27 --> 01:23:29

background, and they would approach it like that. They're

01:23:29 --> 01:23:32

very few. Most of the people believe in I think they have a

01:23:32 --> 01:23:36

harder time. Because in gonna have to rationalize the whole thing.

01:23:36 --> 01:23:41

And yeah, in logic, even in our books, they say that one of the

01:23:41 --> 01:23:44

hardest things to prove is that which is most obvious, because

01:23:44 --> 01:23:48

it's not meant to be treated like that, right? It's meant, like, you

01:23:48 --> 01:23:51

look at you see it, yeah, you look at it, you know, what, when you

01:23:51 --> 01:23:54

see it, so some truths are meant to be like that, right? You know,

01:23:54 --> 01:23:58

when you see if you try to prove, you know, like the most obvious

01:23:58 --> 01:24:02

things, it's very difficult to prove the sun is actually there.

01:24:02 --> 01:24:06

Yeah, exactly. How do you prove like, another simple? How do you

01:24:06 --> 01:24:10

prove logic, that the permissibility of use of logic,

01:24:10 --> 01:24:13

like you can't, because you need logic to even discuss that

01:24:13 --> 01:24:17

question, right? You can't prove rationally things that are very

01:24:17 --> 01:24:22

obvious. And that's one of the beauties of love the dean is that

01:24:22 --> 01:24:26

all you need to do is just be exposed. And have you almost said

01:24:26 --> 01:24:29

that one of the reasons prophesies seldom used to take loans from the

01:24:29 --> 01:24:35

Jews is Tosia irritant, it's Asad. Just an excuse to have a meeting.

01:24:35 --> 01:24:38

It's like an excuse to have a meeting, which is part of the

01:24:39 --> 01:24:43

purpose of the soup kitchen. Like we don't do any doubt. Just let

01:24:43 --> 01:24:47

just you're gonna come see us after regularly, you know, once a

01:24:47 --> 01:24:50

week, and some of these kids hopefully when we have a seven day

01:24:51 --> 01:24:56

dinner, some kids will see us five times a week just interaction is

01:24:56 --> 01:24:58

enough over a long period of time, you're going to know that this is

01:24:58 --> 01:24:59

this is real and this is real.

01:25:00 --> 01:25:03

This is true. And this is not like these people are different. Every

01:25:03 --> 01:25:05

single time I interact with them, they're different than everybody

01:25:05 --> 01:25:10

else. And that's the whole point of Tao. Right? It's, it's, it

01:25:10 --> 01:25:13

doesn't have to be an explicit speech. Absolutely no.

01:25:15 --> 01:25:17

So then it How long do you stay in Ethiopia?

01:25:18 --> 01:25:21

So Ethiopia, I stayed there for about seven months.

01:25:23 --> 01:25:26

And what ultimately happened there was

01:25:28 --> 01:25:32

I really liked it there. And I was telling you a hidden you know,

01:25:32 --> 01:25:33

that.

01:25:35 --> 01:25:38

An example of the cudham unprecedented kind of mid you

01:25:38 --> 01:25:43

would see this happen a number of occasions. So I'm just walking

01:25:43 --> 01:25:48

down in Hunter, which is one of the very, you know,

01:25:50 --> 01:25:55

very prominent seats of learning and shy if and so, amazing place

01:25:55 --> 01:25:59

the hardware. Harare comes from Yeah.

01:26:00 --> 01:26:05

And the houses are all mud. But they're just so immaculate. I

01:26:05 --> 01:26:10

mean, it's awful, and you feel so comfortable there and clean.

01:26:10 --> 01:26:13

Everything's mud, but everything is speaking Spanish is not

01:26:13 --> 01:26:17

absolutely immaculately clean. So what happened is I mentioned

01:26:17 --> 01:26:20

during that time, during the time of Heidi's lesbian property, it's

01:26:21 --> 01:26:23

Miss similar now

01:26:24 --> 01:26:28

that there's a lot of suspicion. And by the way, Ethiopia is one of

01:26:28 --> 01:26:31

those places that has never actually been colonized.

01:26:32 --> 01:26:36

The Italians for seven years, they managed to get certain pockets and

01:26:36 --> 01:26:40

they were. So the Ethiopians by, you know, by historically are very

01:26:40 --> 01:26:44

vigilant on anybody trying to come in. And I used to make fun of my

01:26:44 --> 01:26:47

Italian friends about this, because in history, we read that

01:26:47 --> 01:26:51

Italy wanted a piece of the pie. So they got involved in Libya for

01:26:51 --> 01:26:54

a little bit. Then they got involved and tried to take over

01:26:54 --> 01:26:58

Ethiopia. And at that time, Ethiopia was going through serious

01:26:58 --> 01:27:01

famine. So Ethiopia was always on TV for like, these people were so

01:27:01 --> 01:27:06

poor, right? And then we read we were reading in history class, how

01:27:06 --> 01:27:09

the Ethiopians beat the Italians. I was like, you guys.

01:27:10 --> 01:27:12

You guys lost them.

01:27:13 --> 01:27:16

But I'll tell you, they're fierce warriors. Yeah. Well, they got

01:27:16 --> 01:27:20

like a history of Yeah. And so they're very unique, a BIA, you

01:27:20 --> 01:27:20

know,

01:27:22 --> 01:27:28

this national pride, and they're all They're vigilant that anybody

01:27:28 --> 01:27:29

would try. And, you know,

01:27:31 --> 01:27:35

this was an amazing zoom in on. And it reminds me a little bit of

01:27:35 --> 01:27:39

a story about a woman from that they eventually made a movie about

01:27:39 --> 01:27:43

she's, she's actually from Pennsylvania, where this woman,

01:27:43 --> 01:27:48

she is a regular this is we're talking the 90s and the 2000s.

01:27:48 --> 01:27:51

She's like a regular well off

01:27:52 --> 01:27:56

American woman who has no beliefs. She doesn't believe in anything.

01:27:56 --> 01:28:00

And she's she's gone through a divorce. And then she's totally

01:28:00 --> 01:28:04

lost. Right. And from the outside, you think she's got everything

01:28:04 --> 01:28:07

going for her in terms of her life. She's got money, she's got

01:28:07 --> 01:28:10

health, she's got everything. But inside, she's totally lost. She

01:28:10 --> 01:28:13

goes through this divorce. And then she starts traveling the

01:28:13 --> 01:28:18

world as a therapy, like looking for stuff. She goes to India. She

01:28:18 --> 01:28:19

goes, and then

01:28:20 --> 01:28:23

the biggest experience that she had, she goes to like

01:28:24 --> 01:28:25

Bali,

01:28:26 --> 01:28:29

Indonesia. And then she's in like a little.

01:28:30 --> 01:28:30

I think

01:28:32 --> 01:28:33

she gets so sick

01:28:34 --> 01:28:38

of it. Yeah. And it was an Indonesian woman. And this is like

01:28:38 --> 01:28:41

literally right after 911. So she's coming back. And she's like,

01:28:41 --> 01:28:45

I don't care what anyone says about Muslim people, like whatever

01:28:45 --> 01:28:48

they did. That's like a small group. Because this woman she did

01:28:48 --> 01:28:52

not even, like speak any word of English. He just saw me sick every

01:28:52 --> 01:28:55

day. She bring me soup, she bring me food. She take care of me,

01:28:55 --> 01:29:01

right for like weeks on end until I came back to health. And but it

01:29:01 --> 01:29:04

reminded me of that, that it's just the Mohammed. Yeah, it's just

01:29:04 --> 01:29:08

the generosity of people. And if it's the truth, if this religion

01:29:08 --> 01:29:11

is the truth, it's got to trickle down to everybody, right? And it's

01:29:11 --> 01:29:15

got to make everyone a bit happier. Like what you said that,

01:29:15 --> 01:29:19

like if it's the truth, like everything in the in the world

01:29:19 --> 01:29:22

that we see, which is the creation, Everything's beautiful

01:29:22 --> 01:29:26

in the creation, right? Like, the stuff that's out there is always

01:29:26 --> 01:29:29

always beautiful. The stuff that's not beautiful, is always hidden,

01:29:29 --> 01:29:32

like cockroaches go down. They don't come out on a nice spring

01:29:32 --> 01:29:32

day.

01:29:33 --> 01:29:37

Cockroaches go down, rats are down right there hidden there in the

01:29:37 --> 01:29:41

darkness is right. So the bad stuff is hidden. But what's out

01:29:41 --> 01:29:46

there is beautiful. Trees are beautiful, right? So therefore, if

01:29:46 --> 01:29:50

this is the truth, it's got to crop up and everyone's got to

01:29:50 --> 01:29:54

touch everybody. So that's the approach that we should take, like

01:29:54 --> 01:29:57

my takeaway from this is like that's what that's what that was

01:29:57 --> 01:30:00

got to be like, and Dow can't be you can't

01:30:00 --> 01:30:03

Don't hold yourself back. Right? If it's true, you gotta be there,

01:30:03 --> 01:30:06

be out there, let people interact with you, if it's true.

01:30:07 --> 01:30:12

So this is really like somewhat did, it would be nice to have to

01:30:12 --> 01:30:15

make a movie about this actually. Like, it'd be one of those movies

01:30:15 --> 01:30:19

where he starts off in Colorado, California, then you take the

01:30:19 --> 01:30:23

hopefully it's gonna be a book, I'm working on that kind of W

01:30:23 --> 01:30:27

great, you know, and it will cook the Buddha, John Walker kind of

01:30:27 --> 01:30:28

thing. Well, we haven't even

01:30:29 --> 01:30:33

maybe at mbyc, Friday. For all those who are watching from New

01:30:33 --> 01:30:37

Jersey and New York, you can come down and meet Sheikh Hashim in new

01:30:37 --> 01:30:40

in mbsc, we're gonna have a women's program first at six

01:30:40 --> 01:30:45

o'clock. And then, and then we're gonna have a community wide

01:30:45 --> 01:30:49

program at 745, which is after a show 730 repression and some 45

01:30:49 --> 01:30:53

and then we'll have dinner. So at that program shook Hashem will

01:30:53 --> 01:30:58

give his message and the takeaways from his, you're going to be

01:30:58 --> 01:31:01

talking to mostly born Muslims. So,

01:31:02 --> 01:31:04

you know, the one of the wisdoms that you have to offer is that you

01:31:04 --> 01:31:09

have the contrast. And although that contrast may be from another

01:31:09 --> 01:31:13

era, right, it's a different contrast. But nonetheless, like

01:31:13 --> 01:31:17

your advice is going to be very valuable family related advice,

01:31:17 --> 01:31:21

and then just general community related advice on how we, how we

01:31:21 --> 01:31:25

can spark ourselves and we always have to have a spark, like there

01:31:25 --> 01:31:29

can never be a moment of dullness and boredom with Allah, you should

01:31:29 --> 01:31:32

consider that a sin. Like if you find that you're standing in the

01:31:32 --> 01:31:36

Presence of Allah, you're and you're just not in it, that

01:31:36 --> 01:31:39

there's something wrong. Right? Because look at the world around

01:31:39 --> 01:31:43

you. He has so much you just have to at least get yourself going

01:31:43 --> 01:31:47

somehow by ask him for something right for His kingdom. That is a

01:31:47 --> 01:31:53

bad Muslim. Yes. Lila Yes, the ballet. So that's what we're going

01:31:53 --> 01:31:56

to be looking forward to. We have time maybe for one or two

01:31:56 --> 01:32:00

questions only. And you have a question and here we got us.

01:32:00 --> 01:32:05

Welcome back from Egypt to us come and say salam to our Sheikh Jolla.

01:32:06 --> 01:32:10

Oh, awesome. Grew up with your son, by the way. Didn't you go to

01:32:10 --> 01:32:11

Trenton?

01:32:13 --> 01:32:19

Yeah, so three or four years and Trenton in Lawrenceville as well.

01:32:20 --> 01:32:27

Okay, one of my first teachers ever Yeah. Pray for him back and

01:32:27 --> 01:32:29

you look like you breastfeed.

01:32:30 --> 01:32:32

He like seriously last week.

01:32:33 --> 01:32:36

I hope he sent take all your clothes send it to the dry cleaner

01:32:36 --> 01:32:39

now. Do you fumigants cockroach eggs. He just came back from Kira.

01:32:40 --> 01:32:45

Do you fumigate all of your socks? Your everything not allowed in the

01:32:45 --> 01:32:49

house? You know your mom's? When we quarantine when we quarantine

01:32:49 --> 01:32:52

and you're right. She's right. Right, quarantine it all out. And

01:32:52 --> 01:32:58

then we need to feed him stuff and like an Egyptian Mashi to get your

01:32:58 --> 01:32:59

weight back up.

01:33:00 --> 01:33:05

Okay, let's see. Question. Okay, go ahead. Yeah, so

01:33:06 --> 01:33:12

this was a beautiful journey. So I feel like the whole, this whole

01:33:12 --> 01:33:16

idea was like compressed into this journey. Because I know before I

01:33:16 --> 01:33:20

was a Muslim, personally, there's this idea. As Muslims, we know

01:33:20 --> 01:33:24

that we seek the afterlife, we seek the role of Allah to Allah,

01:33:24 --> 01:33:28

we seek company with the prophesy, Solomon, all the NBA, I didn't sit

01:33:28 --> 01:33:32

down, and all the Saudi hanging over the agenda, and everything

01:33:32 --> 01:33:36

that is mentioned in the Quran. But then there's also this concept

01:33:36 --> 01:33:39

of it's not about the destination, it's about the journey. And like

01:33:39 --> 01:33:42

it kind of your whole story kind of reminded me of that. What's our

01:33:42 --> 01:33:47

viewpoint on that? And it's not like it's the destination is laid

01:33:47 --> 01:33:51

out in front of us as many as but like, what about the journey? What

01:33:51 --> 01:33:55

about the journey? Did you ever reflect on this, that the one dua

01:33:55 --> 01:34:00

that is wajib, there's only one dua that you have to ask from as

01:34:00 --> 01:34:04

well. If I don't ask for health, wealth, children success in my

01:34:04 --> 01:34:08

profession, I'm not going to be held accountable. I don't have to

01:34:08 --> 01:34:11

ask that. It's nice. I'm not saying it's good to ask for

01:34:11 --> 01:34:15

everything. As chef said, if you don't ask Allah, then Allah, you

01:34:15 --> 01:34:19

know, as you get gets angry. But what is the thing that we have to

01:34:19 --> 01:34:23

ask for continuously? Its guidance, right? And what are we

01:34:23 --> 01:34:25

asking guidance for? This is very interesting. This is the point and

01:34:25 --> 01:34:30

Dina said, oftentimes the team you ask to put us on the right path,

01:34:30 --> 01:34:31

the journey.

01:34:32 --> 01:34:35

You know, therefore the aroma said, it's, where is your ultimate

01:34:35 --> 01:34:39

destination, wherever Allah is going to take you in Ethiopia,

01:34:39 --> 01:34:42

some of the first Muslims that before actually accepted Islam.

01:34:42 --> 01:34:46

You had these guys that we weren't these kind of, you know, pseudo or

01:34:46 --> 01:34:48

semi Sufi, or whatever they were, I don't know. But anyway, they

01:34:48 --> 01:34:52

would just walk around with these big misbehaves, you know, these

01:34:52 --> 01:34:55

big testimonies, and they were just humbled and humbled in

01:34:55 --> 01:34:57

everything was humbling, learn 100 And they just be walking around

01:34:57 --> 01:35:00

these groups. And so I said,

01:35:00 --> 01:35:03

All these guys are hippies to me, you know, hey, wow, these guys are

01:35:03 --> 01:35:05

cool. What do you guys saying? I'm doing the appraisal? Hey, yeah,

01:35:05 --> 01:35:08

that's that's, that's fantastic. Where was this? Yeah, this

01:35:08 --> 01:35:11

Ethiopian Addis Ababa, which you'd see these guys around different

01:35:11 --> 01:35:16

places was the name of this tribe that there's a tribe that like. So

01:35:16 --> 01:35:19

I said, Where are you guys going? Wherever it takes us? What do you

01:35:19 --> 01:35:21

got to eat? Whatever love Jesus

01:35:23 --> 01:35:27

on steroids got nothing? Yeah, these guys, I said, You guys are

01:35:27 --> 01:35:30

great Come on Come, I took them home, you know, and I was living

01:35:30 --> 01:35:33

with another musician and the guy said where do you get these guys?

01:35:33 --> 01:35:36

You know, what are we doing here? You guys are cool, listen to what

01:35:36 --> 01:35:39

they got to say so I wasn't even a Muslim. But the point is, is that

01:35:39 --> 01:35:43

you know it Dennis Rodman was struggling to be on the path,

01:35:44 --> 01:35:48

you're on the path of Hamdulillah. And that's something we don't want

01:35:48 --> 01:35:51

to get off the path, you know, when he says, this is the path and

01:35:51 --> 01:35:55

these are the civil, don't get snatched away and wander off the

01:35:55 --> 01:35:58

path as long as you're on the path. That's that, and all that

01:35:58 --> 01:36:01

other stuff. That's the fringe benefits. Yeah. And that's the

01:36:01 --> 01:36:04

motivation as human beings, you know, what's in it for me? Yeah,

01:36:04 --> 01:36:07

but actually being on the path, if we're on the path, it's all gonna,

01:36:07 --> 01:36:11

it's all going to fall into place. Yeah, being on that path. And

01:36:11 --> 01:36:15

therefore, you know, it would be of great help to us, particularly

01:36:15 --> 01:36:19

here in this day and age, in this country, in our position, because

01:36:19 --> 01:36:23

a lot of times we don't see what we want to see. Right.

01:36:24 --> 01:36:28

Nobody's listening, nobody's paying attention. This, these

01:36:28 --> 01:36:32

obstacles are appearing, you know, nothing's coming up things, you

01:36:32 --> 01:36:35

know, falling into place. That doesn't matter. Are you on the

01:36:35 --> 01:36:39

path, you're on the, on the journey, then everything's fine.

01:36:39 --> 01:36:42

Just, you know, just okay.

01:36:43 --> 01:36:45

And all that other stuff that's gonna come, it doesn't mean I'm

01:36:45 --> 01:36:49

not discounting any of those favors. I want all of that to, you

01:36:49 --> 01:36:52

know, but being on the path, if we, if we're on the path, it will

01:36:52 --> 01:36:55

make it. So yeah, it is the journey being on the path of like,

01:36:55 --> 01:37:00

keep us on it. I mean, here. Here's the question.

01:37:02 --> 01:37:04

What is the number one thing? I think you just answered it,

01:37:04 --> 01:37:08

actually, that you would advise new converts? I think that's

01:37:08 --> 01:37:12

that's, you just basically said it. Yeah, like look for the right

01:37:12 --> 01:37:16

path and the right path to it's something that it unfolds over

01:37:16 --> 01:37:21

time. And it unfolds by Samba. Exactly, that's, that's what I

01:37:21 --> 01:37:24

would get, you'll get what you need, because not everyone is

01:37:24 --> 01:37:27

going to need the same thing. Like we could say academically as a

01:37:27 --> 01:37:30

curriculum, you need what you need to study, we can objectively say

01:37:30 --> 01:37:34

that updated zahana Silla, alright, we can say that, but that

01:37:34 --> 01:37:38

might not be on that people may need specific things. Like some

01:37:38 --> 01:37:42

people may need different medicines, for what.

01:37:44 --> 01:37:46

But I think you hit on the main thing, and that is connecting with

01:37:46 --> 01:37:50

the connected, I have the saying, connect with the connected

01:37:50 --> 01:37:51

disconnect with the disconnected.

01:37:53 --> 01:37:56

So if we connect with the right people, the right environments,

01:37:56 --> 01:37:58

you know, whatever that need might be, and so it's gonna be awful. If

01:37:58 --> 01:38:01

we don't do that, it's gonna be extremely difficult, if not

01:38:01 --> 01:38:03

impossible, and the good news is,

01:38:06 --> 01:38:10

today, we have these facilities available. When we became Muslims.

01:38:10 --> 01:38:13

It wasn't there was no infrastructure, there was no law,

01:38:13 --> 01:38:16

there was no, it was one of copies of Quran in the whole country.

01:38:19 --> 01:38:23

It was it was a desert. It was it was this, and I'm from California,

01:38:23 --> 01:38:26

and I'm back together. But I came over here to New York, because

01:38:26 --> 01:38:29

only in New York, was there anything happening, you know, and

01:38:29 --> 01:38:33

even with that was only two or three places in New York. And not

01:38:33 --> 01:38:37

many people knew anything. You know, we were all like, and we've

01:38:37 --> 01:38:42

made a lot of blunders, a lot of blunders. And so connect with,

01:38:43 --> 01:38:46

look for the people that you can relate to and be sure that they're

01:38:46 --> 01:38:49

credible. Yeah, there's a lot of bogus stuff floating around out

01:38:49 --> 01:38:55

there. You know, and exposure to the internet, internet is very,

01:38:55 --> 01:38:58

very dangerous. So be careful about Well, one of the things that

01:38:58 --> 01:39:01

I noticed is that because Islam has met is very public.

01:39:02 --> 01:39:07

That if you expose yourself to a lot of different masajid, and

01:39:07 --> 01:39:11

groups, it may be a bit dizzying in the beginning. But it's one of

01:39:11 --> 01:39:16

the best ways to actually realize what is Islam that there's no

01:39:16 --> 01:39:20

doubt about it, and what is totally French, and then

01:39:20 --> 01:39:25

everything else will be a difference of opinion. Right? Like

01:39:25 --> 01:39:28

does not have to be just one way. Yeah. But that's one of the best

01:39:28 --> 01:39:32

things is when you go to so many and makes sure NorCal I wrote

01:39:32 --> 01:39:36

about the web Gemma. It's like one of the blessings of these people

01:39:36 --> 01:39:40

is that they really know what is totally agreed upon. And what will

01:39:40 --> 01:39:44

never be separated from Islam. What you can totally disagree on

01:39:44 --> 01:39:47

and what will never be Islam, just because how many mosques they've

01:39:47 --> 01:39:50

been to how many Muslims have they seen how many groups have they

01:39:50 --> 01:39:51

been?

01:39:52 --> 01:39:56

It may not be something that you want to do to somebody. But if you

01:39:56 --> 01:39:59

have no other way of learning, just observing

01:40:00 --> 01:40:04

A huge what do they call it in statistics? Like

01:40:05 --> 01:40:09

a sample size. That's the word. Like the samples, this sample size

01:40:09 --> 01:40:14

cannot be wrong. Right? So they all pray five times is a 100% of

01:40:14 --> 01:40:18

them, right? Except, like one group. So you know, that group is

01:40:18 --> 01:40:21

different, right? They all but they don't all pray the same way.

01:40:22 --> 01:40:26

Okay, okay, so but they all pray five times a day. So that's

01:40:26 --> 01:40:29

basically the sample size is extremely important. When you

01:40:29 --> 01:40:31

listen to speakers on the internet, if you're gonna go on

01:40:31 --> 01:40:35

the internet at all, the and you're totally new to Islam.

01:40:36 --> 01:40:39

The best way to do it is to listen to everybody possible so that you

01:40:39 --> 01:40:42

won't be totally misguided. And they'll balance it all out. Like

01:40:42 --> 01:40:45

if you're fair, if I'm if I want to study something, and I have no

01:40:45 --> 01:40:48

clue about it, the right way to do it is not to get attached anyway.

01:40:49 --> 01:40:52

Let's listen to everybody and see where's the common line? That's

01:40:52 --> 01:40:56

what's going to the truth is good. Right? So that's the advice to

01:40:56 --> 01:40:57

somebody who

01:40:58 --> 01:41:00

says, I don't know what to do, I'm not going to put my eggs in one

01:41:00 --> 01:41:01

basket. Alright, fine.

01:41:02 --> 01:41:04

The truth is going to rise up over time

01:41:06 --> 01:41:10

by what everybody agrees on. So because otherwise, then the

01:41:10 --> 01:41:13

message wasn't conveyed properly. Right. And the essence of Islam

01:41:13 --> 01:41:17

has been conveyed properly. One God five prayers, afterlife, don't

01:41:17 --> 01:41:21

do drugs don't do these basic fundamentals. And then once you

01:41:21 --> 01:41:23

stick to those, Allah will guide you after that.

01:41:25 --> 01:41:29

So let's see if there's any other questions before we wrap up.

01:41:31 --> 01:41:35

Funny thing someone was saying that in mathematics, one plus one

01:41:35 --> 01:41:39

equals two, it took 378 pages to prove it.

01:41:41 --> 01:41:44

I was I was chatting with a mathematician we have one of the

01:41:44 --> 01:41:47

founders of our mosque was a mathematician. He's a math

01:41:47 --> 01:41:51

teacher. And I said meant that the new math is terrible. We all agree

01:41:51 --> 01:41:55

everyone is Jamel. What's the watcher that the new math the way

01:41:55 --> 01:41:58

they teach kids? It's terrible. Because it says Like

01:42:00 --> 01:42:05

if John has three apples, and Mary has three apples, how many apples

01:42:05 --> 01:42:09

are there? Six Apple's follow up question. Explain why.

01:42:12 --> 01:42:16

I don't I don't have an answer to it. Because three plus three is

01:42:16 --> 01:42:18

six. Then they say, Well, what?

01:42:19 --> 01:42:22

What's the principle? There's the commutative property, which

01:42:22 --> 01:42:26

property is applied? Right? Can you apply it to this? I'm like,

01:42:26 --> 01:42:28

just like six years old. They didn't even have a chart in my

01:42:28 --> 01:42:33

day. We did a chart, right? One times one is one, one times two

01:42:33 --> 01:42:33

was

01:42:34 --> 01:42:38

a table. And they're asking her for a property. She never studied

01:42:38 --> 01:42:41

the table. Right? But they want her to know the property can even

01:42:41 --> 01:42:46

add three beginning barely added right. So I'm telling him this is

01:42:46 --> 01:42:48

nonsense, right? It's not something that's any use. And

01:42:48 --> 01:42:51

she's like, Yeah, but then they need to know proofs later on.

01:42:51 --> 01:42:55

Alright, so I'm like, what? Proof? Three for three plus three equals

01:42:55 --> 01:42:58

six. He's like, Oh, yeah. But I'm like, these are six fingers.

01:42:58 --> 01:43:01

Right? So he's like, Yeah, but that's not a mathematical proof.

01:43:02 --> 01:43:05

So I'm like, I'm against the science of yours. Right? Because

01:43:05 --> 01:43:09

it you can't complicate things so badly. Like, how are you? Are

01:43:09 --> 01:43:15

these guys like vying to create University positions? By expanding

01:43:15 --> 01:43:18

their discipline so much that you need all this? You don't need any

01:43:18 --> 01:43:21

of this stuff? Right? Well, it's all it's a it's a, it's a

01:43:21 --> 01:43:24

consumer. It's a consumer, you know, culture, right? That's what

01:43:24 --> 01:43:27

so we have to have can't keep selling the same book. We need

01:43:27 --> 01:43:32

exactly it right. Yeah. It's all gonna be, sadly enough. It's all

01:43:32 --> 01:43:35

gonna go back to economics. That somebody's got it. Exactly.

01:43:36 --> 01:43:39

There's got to be all these disciplines. They're inventing

01:43:39 --> 01:43:44

stuff to justify their positions. Right? The liberal arts, they've

01:43:44 --> 01:43:47

they've transformed the liberal arts into, they're trying to

01:43:47 --> 01:43:50

imitate the physicists by being complicated and complex and all

01:43:50 --> 01:43:54

that stuff. Whereas you go to the past and Oxford professor, like,

01:43:54 --> 01:43:58

what does he do? He teaches the classics, just like a ship. Like

01:43:58 --> 01:44:02

it's to shake up Hanafi FIP, Sheikh Maliki fake Hanafi fiqh for

01:44:02 --> 01:44:05

1000 years, it's the same curriculum, what's your job, teach

01:44:05 --> 01:44:07

that teach this curriculum? That's it, you don't need to innovate

01:44:07 --> 01:44:11

some bizarre idea to justify your fear or your salary, right? That's

01:44:11 --> 01:44:15

what Oxford professor used to be teach Shakespeare teach whatever

01:44:15 --> 01:44:19

that other guys can name Monty, what's his name? All these these

01:44:19 --> 01:44:23

ancient classics, right, that they used to teach. That's it.

01:44:24 --> 01:44:28

But they got to justify stuff. So anyway, that's my thing on on

01:44:28 --> 01:44:32

these mathematical proofs. All right, can we close

01:44:34 --> 01:44:37

you know what I tell I tell. I also have a property in my house

01:44:37 --> 01:44:39

called the associative property. Right.

01:44:40 --> 01:44:44

What does this consist of probably it allows parents to shut their

01:44:44 --> 01:44:44

kids up

01:44:52 --> 01:44:55

Thank you, Ryan. Great job. And we'll close now with the dot job.

01:44:55 --> 01:44:59

Similarly, you can close with with $1 Arabic or English however you

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like it.

01:45:00 --> 01:45:03

handy lower blood I mean I definitely would have obviously

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was you know 33rd Kadima

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Allah Allah no Seetharama and he can take them out.

01:45:09 --> 01:45:14

Suddenly also Limburger law said number on early seed number humble

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consolidator. So lympho Baraka library Mata earlybird

01:45:19 --> 01:45:22

Allah loved one up another I'm known for selling on takfeer

01:45:23 --> 01:45:24

ha city

01:45:25 --> 01:45:30

Subhankar in Raleigh mean Allah Medina What do you know what John?

01:45:32 --> 01:45:36

Medina Serato statim Serato Medina naantali him in the bean was in

01:45:36 --> 01:45:42

the Ukraine was shahada in Saudi he hasn't met with agar Salah more

01:45:42 --> 01:45:46

salam ala Sayidina Muhammad on early He sent him to see him and

01:45:46 --> 01:45:51

Khedira Subhan Allah bigger Felicity, I'm seafoam Salam. Salim

01:45:51 --> 01:45:52

Al hamdu lillahi rabbil

01:45:54 --> 01:45:55

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01:46:30 --> 01:46:34

keep in touch with the shift online and I think the shift he's

01:46:34 --> 01:46:39

from a different era. You don't go and do you're not gonna find the

01:46:39 --> 01:46:40

shift. We're all live

01:46:43 --> 01:46:48

this shift you need to come and take the drive up Friday night and

01:46:49 --> 01:46:53

income at six o'clock to mbyc and you can keep keep the shakes

01:46:53 --> 01:46:57

company insha Allah does that Kamala Karen was salam aleikum wa

01:46:57 --> 01:46:58

rahmatullah wa barakatu.

01:47:01 --> 01:47:02

All right. Thank you so much.

01:47:42 --> 01:47:42

Job

01:47:51 --> 01:47:55

no oh

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god

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