Shadee Elmasry – Muslim Scholar Responds to FaZe YourRAGE on Age of Marriage
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Today, we're gonna answer this question
by Faze Your Rage,
who is replying to Sneeko.
I'm not I don't follow this stuff, but
I know he's a Muslim. Right? So this
URAGE guy goes off on Sneeko for believing
in Islam. Sneeko says he didn't watch the
debate, claims to be Christian, but the Bible
does not specify age of consent.
Doesn't even specify the concept of consent.
Says 2 adults can get married, which I
agree with. Tell these Twitch streamers to stick
to gaming
and screaming. A whole bunch of
what do you guys know? Gen Alpha talk.
And
he's saying here, phase your rage is saying
to Sneko
I'm I'm citing these people as if I
know who I am. I don't even know
who they are, but I know Sneko is
a Muslim. So
he's saying here that I never knew I'd
be living in a world where people would
have a problem with me saying
13 year olds
shouldn't be changing their gender, and I don't
think 14 year olds should be getting married
to grown men.
We are cooked.
Let me ask you a question. Is it
emotional? Is it about the emotional well-being?
Because if you're a Christian, last I checked,
god
in your world caused Mary to be pregnant
when she was about 14. So what are
we talking about here?
She was 13, 14 years old
when this happened.
Well, what does that tell us about society
back then?
12, 13 years old. You're an adult.
You're a full fledged adult.
If a girl reached puberty in those times
at the age of 9 and 10,
puberty is not reached at the same age
for everybody.
Strength is not reached at the same age.
Go to the Amazon rainforest.
Kids are there,
hunting.
Go watch these documentaries.
Within 3 episodes, you're gonna have a little
7 year old kid crouching
with hardly any clothes on, but, he's got
a blade in his hand, and he's, like,
cutting up an animal. I'm telling you, these
maturity's different in different societies.
So but you know what's funny too?
Is any American
policing the culture of other people?
Hey. What's your problem? If they're happy with
each other, what's your issue? Whether she's 13
or 14. Here's the main question.
Why do Americans and I don't know who
this fazer rage person is, but, they all
say the same thing. All the Christians say
the same thing.
Why do they imagine themselves
to care more about little
Muslim girls or Arab girls
than their own parents,
than those kids' parents? That's the premise here.
That's the premise.
So you need to wake up a little
bit because you yourselves
are permissive of so much abuse.
Forget. Do we have we have to go
to transgender. Yeah. That's the worst form of
abuse.
That is the you're gonna go down in
history for that stuff,
for allowing these surgeries to go on and
be decided by people who are 12 13
years old.
And you're talking about the age of consent
for something that if it were to ever
happen, which it never happens, by the way.
It never happens anymore.
These very, very young
brides,
unless you're talking about one village somewhere where
everyone does it. But when it did happen
in the time of the messenger, peace be
upon him, you have that parents involved.
You have the only source of knowledge
of the age of Aisha, let me tell
you this,
is her own self.
Years later,
after the prophet, peace be upon him, in
a time where she could have said, it
was terrible. I wouldn't have wanted to do
it because the prophets had passed on. Her
parents had passed on. Pretty much her whole
that whole generation had passed away. Now she's
an adult. She's free. She's the oldest person
in her generation now.
And she could say, oh, it was a
terrible thing.
As people, when they
get abused when they're young, they grow up.
And eventually, when all the scary people die,
then they tell the truth.
So the parents are okay with it. She's
okay with it, but you have a problem.
But let me tell you something else. This
is an argument from disgust.
Never try to rationally or respond to an
argument from disgust unless you first
dispel the disgust. And how you dispel the
disgust is showing them it it shift the
emotion to their
acts of disgust.
Like, what are you guys doing?
Go to middle schools today.
Go to middle schools and tell them not
to have boyfriends and girlfriends.
What's the difference? Right?
Marriage, at least the parents involved, society's involved,
everyone's involved. It's permanent.
So phase your age. Go write put a
post out. 14 year olds cannot have boyfriends
and girlfriends.
Okay. He did say a grown grown men.
So
immature men
is okay.
So you'd rather a 13 year old be
dating a 16 year old as opposed
to marriage
with another adult?
Your math is not adding up. Your whole
thing is not adding up. Amiksa says,
early age marriage in olden days was accepted.
Older Muslim men, even in this day, marry
very young.
Girls, should this be allowed? Let me tell
you the the criteria. What does a god
allow? What god allows requires the file. Is
the body capable of receiving marriage? Number 1.
Number 2, do the parents allow for this?
Because they in our worldview, parents will care
more about their kids
than white liberal Americans and Christians and evangelicals.
Evangelicals imagine themselves to care so much more
about all of our kids than those kids'
parents.
That's the premise here. So the parents are
accepting of it. They're happy with it. They're
proud of it. They're publicizing
it. Well, that means
they got friends too. Right?
Like, you wouldn't do something where all your
friends were like, what is he doing with
this kid?
You wouldn't do
that. Everyone would think twice about this. So
if I'm gonna go this route hold on
a second. I got we got a dinner
invitation next week. What are people gonna say?
So the whole society was accepting of it.
That's how that whole society lives. Just like
your society lives, you will let your daughter
sleep around and the dad cannot say a
word.
That's your society.
You raised a girl for 13, 14 years
old. She walks out with a boy. You
ask her, where are you going and who
are you going with? She flips out. You're
not allowed to ask her. She tells you
off after you raised her the all this
time,
and she goes out with a stranger with
pimples on his face
that you don't even know, and that stranger
is accessing her body all night. And you
have to accept that. So that's your society.
You've all accepted that, and you've been
taught to accept this through Netflix and otherwise.
Every dad is an idiot in every show
and every movie
and every commercial.
So that's your society. Their society,
they had different norms than you did. Who
are you to say just from a secular
perspective, who are you to say
that the entire society
doesn't know what they're doing? Just as you
wouldn't want someone to say that to you.
I'm not saying that that's my. That's not
the way we judge things, but that's how
you judge things.
You judge things as a liberal. Hold on.
We all agree to this. This is all
good. This is the way we wanna live.
K? If a if a 13 year old
girl has a, boyfriend who I don't know
who he is and I can't ask, that's
a that's Khalaf. That's how it is.
If you ask a question, your wife will
give you a dirty look. That's how it's
portrayed, and that's how it is in so
many homes.
But in our Sharia, in our religion,
we operate by social norms. We do. What?
But which social norms? Social norms of practicing
in good Muslims, not social norms of the
whole society.
The practice, the social norms of Muslims
in what is a social norm, first of
all? What is
is in a matter in which there's no
religious
commandment,
no clarity in
no
explicit judgment from god and his prophet
or from the scholars, then we all sit
around and and, essentially,
through our informal
interactions,
we make a judgment
on if this thing is good or bad,
and then it becomes a custom
so that
people don't enter into an experiment
with their families
in life and have no recourse.
They have no recourse. There's no one around
to ask.
And so is all based upon what we
all judge to be good and correct. Close
is
What close is acceptable
to walk around it? It's
Not gonna find it in the Quran or
the sunnah, these these basic details. Yes. We
know what to cover of our body and
how to cover it, but which which garment?
No.
What clothes to wear, etcetera.
What is the age of consent in Islam?
Age, it's not about age. It's physical health.
So Bedoche says, yeah, 18th is done. Who's
who the heck said 18? Right? I'll tell
you where 18 came from. It came from
the
about kids
who didn't reach puberty
due to some illness or something
or some physical abnormality that they didn't reach
puberty. So at what point do we consider
them
mature agents
responsible
for their actions?
Imam Malik assigned the age of 18. I
think Abu Hanifa assigned the age of 15,
but don't quote me on that.