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In the name of Allah, the Most Beneficent,
the Most Merciful.
In the name of Allah, the Most Beneficent,
the Most Merciful.
Welcome everybody to the Safina Society Nothing But
Facts live stream on a really, really nice
day out.
It is September, what are we, September 3rd
now, it's a beautiful day and we're on
the verge of a number of really, really
nice and beautiful events.
First of all, this week at Safina Society,
at MBIC, we're going to have an orientation
day for all of our classes and HIVs
that's local to New Jersey.
So if you are a local, hop over
to the Masjid today, uh, Friday and listen
to that orientation and register for your classes.
We have literally dozens upon dozens upon dozens
of different families and people, they register for
classes.
So be part of that and don't miss
out because we close registrations after a while.
Number two, September 13th and 14th, two Mawalid
in a row.
And that is at, and we're from the
people who hold that this is something that's
very good and wonderful, uh, to as long
as munkar are avoided in them.
And that is at MBIC, Friday night.
Next day at Maqasid.
This year, prophetic living from North Jersey, Sheikh
Yasser is not having, they're not having one
by itself.
Then week after that, it's actually two weeks.
No, one week after that, the Sunday, September
22nd, that we, that will be streamed.
You can't attend that anymore.
The, the seats are taken, uh, that's going
to be celebration of the life of the
prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, celebration of the
final prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam.
And that's going to be a t-neck
Marriott.
It's going to be a big event, which
for the first time we're going to pass,
we're going to have 1500 people there, probably
more, I guess, 1500 officially.
And then everyone's going to have, the speakers
will have their families and, and the staff
and all that.
October 26th, Omar, fire it up.
We have our very first La Cosina Gala,
which will be streamed or you can, uh,
show up and get yourself a ticket.
Tickets are now available for the October 26th
La Cosina Gala.
It's a giving gala in which basically it's
our annual donation, a fundraiser.
We're going to be featuring a lot of
new art, um, pieces, really nice art pieces.
They showed me what they're, what they've collected
and we're going to be auctioning that art
away.
Our main speaker will be our Spanish Halakha,
uh, is given at the soup kitchen right
here.
We're on the third floor of the soup
kitchen on the first floor.
Every Sunday, sister Nahala Morales, she's a veteran
in Dawah.
She gives a Halakha in Spanish.
So we now have the Dawah coming and
we have Imam Tom Fekini.
He's going to be our keynote speaker and
he is a very, very smart person and
he knows best about, so you want to
say, why would you get Imam Tom?
He's not Spanish.
It's not about that.
It's about native.
It's about Dawah.
He received Dawah.
He entered Islam.
So it's about that element of Dawah.
So we have sister Nahala and we have
Imam Tom.
Speaking of Imam Tom, he's been in the
news.
Omar, can you file that, fire that picture
up?
All right, fire it up because it was
a bunch of nonsense and I don't like
bullies and I love to go against the
grain with these types of things.
And when I saw our own New York
post, not our own, like we like it
or anything, it's trash, but you know, the
sports page is good.
But other than that, it's trash.
So he got on their radar and I
was like, good, put them on your radar.
Because firstly, there's nothing, you can't sue him
for anything he said here.
There's nothing there.
Not criminal nor civil.
But number two, put him on because get
him more attention.
We need to hear more from him.
And speaking of that, he is with us
on today's live stream.
So let's bring him on.
Imam Tom, welcome to the Safina Society, Nothing
But Facts live stream.
As-salamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh, Sheikh
Shadi, it's great to be back with you.
Likewise, likewise.
And I remember it was about a year
ago today that somebody from our team said,
there's a young American guy, he wants to
talk to you on a live stream.
And I'm thinking it's one of these live
stream with 10 people.
But I said, yes, anyway, no problem.
And I forgot about it, totally forgot about
it.
And I came 30 minutes late.
Then he said, all right, let's pick it
up next week.
I go next week.
I didn't, I wasn't reminded again.
I was late again.
So I shortchanged Imam Tom two times, but
he's been more than forgiving about that.
Let's talk about this, this whole little fake
hoopla, really just a fake hoopla that happened
with Shahid Davidai.
Why don't you introduce who he is exactly?
And why?
Very good.
Yeah.
Excellent.
Bismillahirrahmanirrahim.
So Shahid Davidai is a professor at Columbia
University.
And he, I believe he is Israeli.
He has definitely strong ties to Israel, his
father has strong ties to Israel.
He teaches in the school of business.
I don't know what his classes are.
Maybe he teaches genocide cheerleading or something like
that.
But this guy has been for the last
10 months since October 7th, has been vitriolic
in his discourse, the words that he has
used, especially against his own students.
As you know, Columbia University is ground zero
for the encampment movement.
It's ground zero for pro-Palestinian advocacy.
Columbia University is neck deep in ties to
the defense industry and to Israel itself.
And so as far as a top target
for BDS and divestment, it is, you know,
one of the top targets, right?
It's one of the top sort of schools
that if it were to move the needle,
right, if any sort of victories were to
be gotten in that university, then it would
be really a huge, a huge deal.
And so Shahid Davidai has been accusing students
for 10 months straight of being terrorists, of
being terrorist supporters, of being Hamas supporters, and
has smeared them in every single type of
way to the point where he created an
environment in which his own students were attacked
by chemical weapons.
Chemical weapons?
Yeah, yeah.
Skunk, right?
Which is an actual chemical weapon for two
students who are also IDF soldiers, either former
or present, that masked up in an anonymous,
cowardly way, attacked the students who are protesting
in favor of Palestine on Columbia campus.
And he wants to hide his hands.
Like he wasn't responsible for creating that sort
of environment in the first place.
And then, so we had this event.
So I've been in touch with the students
of Columbia.
I've been in touch with the students of
City College in New York.
I'm in touch with many, many different universities
and colleges in New York City, especially when
it comes to this particular thing.
We had an event.
It was a Zoom event.
It was the week before I went on
vacation.
So when all this sort of hit, I
was in the middle of nowhere in the
wilderness, right?
We did an event where they were talking
about Islamic political action, Islamic political sort of
engagement, these sorts of things.
Now this event was not run by Columbia
students, okay?
It was run by someone from CCNY, it
was run by someone from Brooklyn College.
And I don't even know if any Columbia
students were in attendance.
Maybe they were, maybe they weren't.
But one of the people in attendance, I
guess, was a mole, and they recorded everything,
which is no problem.
We have the full recording.
I mean, the whole thing was recorded.
And they chopped it up and tried to
make it look like I was threatening Professor
Shah.
Now what I did say was I was
using him as an example, as somebody, if
that we want to fight fire with fire,
because we know that the Zionists have absolutely
no problem with doxing people.
They have absolutely no problem with intimidating people.
They have absolutely no problem with trying to
end people's careers.
That if we wanted to fight fire with
fire, then somebody like Shai Davidai would be
a perfect target.
Yeah.
Because he has been so, again, toxic and
vitriolic with his discourse.
He has contributed to very, very unsafe environments.
And the thing that bothers me, you know,
I've started smiling when you were sort of,
when I was up there and you were
still introducing it.
Because I'm like you, you're a Jersey guy,
I'm a Jersey guy.
We don't like bullies.
I don't like bullies.
I hate bullies.
And if you were to pick on a
man your own age, that would be forgivable.
It's equal.
That's equal.
It's a fair fight.
But we know that he has, I think
Shai Davidai has what I call IDF syndrome,
right?
The Israeli Diaper Force's syndrome.
And you know what the IDF syndrome is?
You can't fight a fair fight.
You're used to picking on kids and grandmas,
and you think that you're tough stuff.
And then when something really happens, then you
hide behind whatever, you play the victim, right?
And which he's a professional victim and, you
know, perennial snowflake, you know, where he tries
to make it seem like everybody's out to
get him.
And you know what I was thinking about
the Quran when Allah says, يَحْسَبُونَ كُلَّ صَيْحَتِينَ
عَلَيْهِمْ SubhanAllah.
Allahu Akbar.
Right?
They think everything is against them.
They think everything.
I wasn't, I just brought them up as
an example.
I wasn't even talking to Columbia students.
And all of a sudden he, and I'm
sure he's got these connections with the media
and stuff like that.
And all of a sudden, it's a big
thing.
When he intimidates people, no, nothing.
When he tries to bully people, nothing.
When he's creating a dangerous environment for the
students at his own institution.
But when somebody brings up an example of
students trying to fight back, students trying to
not get expelled, students trying to not get
attacked on their own campus or not get
potentially criminalized as some sort of, you know,
foreign agent or tied to some sort of
foreign organization, which they're not.
Then all of a sudden, then all of
a sudden you try to push back against
that, it's a problem.
But you and I know what happens to
bullies.
That's why they back off.
Yeah.
A time comes without fail where the bully
picks on the wrong person and the bully
gets punched in the mouth.
And then the bully has to learn his
lesson the hard way and the house of
cards falls down.
So I mean, we wish we wouldn't have
to get involved in these things, right?
I have better things to do with my
time.
But when I see bullies and I don't
like bullies, then something needs to be done.
And he has no business teaching college kids.
He has absolutely no business being an institution.
He's a stain on the reputation of that
university, a university that I visit often.
And I've done speaking engagements before.
And if necessary, I'll come this semester and
I've been talking with some of the Columbia
students as well.
If necessary, I'll come again this semester.
I didn't plan on it.
I have my my my schedule is booked
all the way to January.
But if the opportunity arises, I would be
happy coming in person.
And maybe I'll make sure that Professor Shy
gets a personal invitation.
How does he actually do what he's doing?
Is he you talking about his rhetoric on
social media?
Is he speaking right out in the middle
of the campus or what?
I mean, he has done both and I
don't follow this thing like, you know, I'm
not following him or going through his stuff
with a fine tooth comb, like I said,
I've got better things to do than that.
You know, I live my life.
But when the time when I was on
social media, yes, it was very, very vitriolic
on social media.
And there were clips of him doing similar
sort of antics on campus in person.
I remember that there was one sort of
scene where he was denied clearance.
Even the university implicitly recognized by that, that
he was a toxic character.
That was that was escalating.
But they're they're too chicken to do anything
about him until the students organize or the
faculty organizes.
But even they implicitly recognize that this person
is toxic.
He escalates.
He does all these sorts of things to
contribute to an environment that let's just say
at the bare minimum is not conducive to
learning when students have to worry about their
own safety in the same places where they
go and study, which is ridiculous.
We would think that this is the United
States of America.
You would think that that this wouldn't have
to be a thing.
But unfortunately, Israelis don't care about the United
States of America.
Zionists don't care about the United States of
America.
They want to turn it into a police
state to arrest and intimidate anybody who criticizes
Israel.
Well, you realize when Netanyahu came over, Washington
turned into the West Bank like I did.
You did.
I don't know if you went there, but
no, I was in Texas at the time.
It was literally like from from my friends
who went like barricades, regular citizens couldn't walk
down public streets, right?
Streets were closed off and it was far
more security than the actual president of the
of the country.
So when Netanyahu came over, it started to
look like a police state, right?
Because that's what I'm doing with you.
That reminds me of our time in Medina,
you know, we were in Medina when the
king would come to town.
The king would like have a palace in
Medina or whatever and he'd have a palace
other place.
He wouldn't really visit Medina much because it's
not, you know, one of the main like
hubs or whatever.
But he'd come once a year.
Yeah.
And when he would come, barricades on the
roads, you wouldn't even be able to be
on the same road for hours that the
king was going to come down crazy.
And we laugh, you know, people, American people
are waking up, you know, we say that
this is a democracy, right?
We say that this is, you know, somehow
different than the absolute monarchies in the Middle
East or somewhere else.
But if a neutral observer was to look
at that behavior, this behavior, they'd say the
same thing.
It's the same exact thing.
We were talking the other day with my
friends on when cowards rule.
When a person who's a coward, who cannot
face you directly and deal with the situation,
when that person's on top, they make for
the worst organizational culture.
They are the worst.
And you know, there is one of the
sayings that there are certain three of whom
Allah hates.
A sheikh is zany, the old man who
fornicates because you're too weak anyway.
So you're still doing it and you're about
to die.
Why shouldn't you repent?
And you're too weak.
Secondly, what was it?
It was the one of them is al
-malik al-kaddab, a king who lies, right?
You're king.
You control the army.
Why do you need to lie?
Like who are you afraid of?
You've got absolutely no reason.
You've got every tool at your disposal.
Why would you have to lie?
Exactly.
So when a coward rules, he doesn't fight
you in the same way that a regular
conqueror fights you.
The old conqueror look you straight in the
eye and tell you we're coming and we're
going to kill you all.
Even he's the worst one, right?
Like the king is conqueror, we'll finish you
off.
Here when looking at Israel, you're looking at,
they cannot sit and say man to man,
bring Hamas out to this area right here
and let's finish this one time and that's
it.
Because they lose.
They lose.
There's no courage.
So instead, let's pick off, pick people off.
Let's pick off when you're clearly a greater
power.
The whole world is behind you, right?
And then let's go after, and then the
anger of the coward, the anger is inside
so now let's kick pregnant women, kids.
It's a nasty, nasty, despicable war.
This is not the Russians versus the Americans
where it's just two, you know, Goliaths going
at it.
And that's a big difference between when a
coward takes over and that's what we're seeing
here.
We're seeing a people who do everything, but
if you do one thing back, right, they
go cry and put the tail between their
legs.
But now you're speaking about this, I totally
agree, none of these people should be given
any ease in their public forums when they
say these words.
That means, oh, you're going to say stuff
like this, all right, we're going to take
all your public statements and all your public
life and we're going to dissect it in
a way that will make you so uncomfortable
that maybe you back off.
That's the strategy, right?
Tell us about the strategy so far and
is it working with anyone?
Well, I mean, that's the thing and that's
basically what we were just initially discussing right
with the students and it's up to them,
you know, they know best their situation, what
level of risk they're comfortable with and what
sort of their opportunities are.
But certainly, I mean, what I was specifically
recommending to them is that even professors, they
have reviews, right, their contracts are up for
a certain amount of years or things like
that.
Listen, when Fatima Mohammed of Within Our Lifetime
passed the bar with flying colors, you had
all these Zionists calling into the Bar Association
in New York trying to prevent her from
getting through the final hurdle, absolutely no justification,
trying every sort of dirty tactic and smear
tactic in the book, that's right, this is
like a 10th of that or a 20th
of that because Fatima Mohammed never called for
the slaughter of babies, Fatima Mohammed never justified
genocide, right?
It's like these people, again, they are genocide
cheerleaders and if you are a genocide cheerleader
and if you contribute to a potentially dangerous
climate for students that you're supposed to protect,
every teacher has a duty to protect their
students, for the doubter who might say, oh,
you guys would do the same thing on
the shoes of the other, no, no, no,
we don't do that.
We have principles in Islam, we protect that
there's innocent people and there's students, you have
a climate of like academic freedom and you're
in a classroom and you go to tow
with words and ideas and discourse and things
like that, you don't create a situation where
someone might get shot, you don't create a
situation where somebody might actually have physical violence
done to you, that is beyond the pale
and so the thing is, if that's going
to be you, if you're one of those
people who you don't deserve to call yourself
an educator and you certainly don't deserve to
call yourself a man, if you're going to
create this type of scenario, then there should
be consequences, you should not have a teaching
position, you do not deserve to teach at
Columbia University or anywhere else and so then
the question is how to reverse engineer that,
what are the levers that you have to
push, what are the pressure points, if the
person's up for review every three years depending
on what type of professor they are, what's
the review board like, how do you get
in a word to the review board and
that's again, a person by person sort of
determination and that's up to the students to
pursue if they wish but this is perfectly
legitimate, I see this as perfectly legitimate and
if someone like Shahid David thinks that that's
a threat, then you interpret it the way
you want, I say that consequence is no
coincidence.
The hoopla, all hoopla around these people is
good because at some point the guy who's
renewing their contract is going to be like,
do we want this attention on us?
Is it worth it?
At the end of the day for Columbia
University, is it worth it and that's why
them denying him sort of his clearance during
that brief period to me was very revealing
that they know that he's a liability, he's
a liability, you don't want someone like that
as part of your institution who's going to
be such a loud mouth and just poor
morals.
I can't imagine, I mean I'm an educator
as well, I teach middle schoolers, I teach
high schoolers every other year, I can't imagine
a situation in which I would create an
unsafe environment where one of my students will
be harmed.
I just can't even, that's just like not
even, it's a surreal thing to try to
imagine but that shows you like you said,
when cowards rule, the thing that came to
mind when you were talking about that is
that cowards are filled with spite and hatred
because deep down they know that they're cowards,
deep down that they know that they don't
have anything of true moral value that they're
fighting for and so they have to compensate
in some sort of way.
You know the psychology of the coward is
that he holds things in, that's number one
and he's afraid to get it out and
the problem with the coward is that if
you want something to change, when you're a
coward you either have a fork in the
road, you either say okay I'm weak and
I accept it or I'm weak but I
want things to change and I don't have
the courage to say something so that latter
one is the dangerous one.
If you're weak and you say oh fine
guys I'm resigning from the world, I live
on the side, I work nine to five
and go home and that's it, you're consistent
within your outward and your inward are consistent.
This other one wants change but is actually
afraid to affect the change himself.
The coward has to always use other people
to do it for him.
Absolutely, which is that defines the relationship of
Israel to the United States because they're trying
to weaponize anti-semitism which is like you
know someone said I think today on Twitter
is like that's like the KKK calling someone
racist for a Zionist to call somebody anti
-semitic.
They're going to use hate speech, they're going
to use whatever, it's like a bar fight,
whatever broken glass or bottle or chair leg
or whatever they can grab onto.
Like I said, this relationship is so problematic
for America as an idea and I think
people are starting to wake up for it.
They don't care about freedom protected rights, they
don't care about like any of this stuff,
they will throw all of it away, the
Zionists will, they will throw all of it
away just to punish people who criticize Israel.
So American people have to make a choice.
Recently the guild of educators or whatever right
word is for it, have recently stated what
is it a union, teacher's union, the teacher's
union has recently stated that they object to
America sending billions and billions over when their
own education systems are in shambles, teachers are
underpaid, schools look miserable across the country and
like hold on a second, now here we
come to another angle.
There is a moral angle, the moral angle
will get a bunch of us.
There is a humanitarian angle, will get a
lot of soft-hearted people and you see
these babies and these kids.
But the financial element will get a whole
another group of people who you never thought
would get involved and they're not coming and
saying we support Palestine, they're saying why is
billions of dollars, why are billions of dollars
going across the the world and especially they're
doing all this stuff with it, we get
nothing back and our own infrastructure is now
starting to collapse.
This is a huge player in this whole
effort.
It's the worst ROI on any investment you
could ever make and like people are starting
to wake up to it, I mean it's
pretty amazing to see and many people thought
we'd never even get this far but just
to ask yourself, it's worse than that, it's
worse than not getting anything returned because you're
basically providing political cover, you're putting your reputation
on the line, you're sending all your money
which is opportunity cost like you're saying, it's
like every dollar is not spent here at
home.
So now people are now getting more dissatisfied
but you're also funding such a belligerent and
cowardly and spiteful force that the entire world
wishes would just shut up and sit down,
that you completely ruin your reputation internationally, you're
a joke on the foreign stage, you've shown
that you can't even control and reel them
in.
So now like Biden, everybody's done this and
done this and Netanyahu and the rest of
them have shown that they don't care anything
about any red line that the United States
suggests or Blinken or anything at all, to
even say, that's not to say all of
them are sort of innocent, they have their
own problems as well but any restriction that
the United States ever tries to apply at
all, Israel basically sticks up the middle finger
in our face.
You tell me and then and then and
then everybody in the Middle East and the
Muslim world comes to resent the United States,
how does that protect America?
How does that make Americans more safe?
It's absolute insanity.
But people are starting to figure it out
with the democratization of media and different voices
coming through.
Outfits like the Israeli Post, I mean the
New York Post, are only boomers reading.
People our age or younger don't read these
things anymore and so they're starting to wake
up to a new reality.
It's like wow, they really pulled the wool
over our eyes for quite a while but
the true nature of what's going on is
very different.
When you look at something where the ROI
is not only zero, it's really negative, then
you have to ask the question, well what
is the motivation of this action?
And you gotta say, like it's not emotional.
If it was two people, you could say
one emotionally controlled the other.
If it's two guys, you gotta say, he
has something on the other guy.
There's no other analysis to this, right?
This is not Reddit conspiracy theory, just common
sense.
Why are you self-harming yourself?
You don't even believe in this.
If you believe it, why don't you believe
it for yourself?
Like the America first is completely dead, right?
Because they put Israel first.
You're harming yourself, so what is the motivation?
And that's where a lot of people are
going to start saying, you know, them tentacles
have gotten everywhere and it must be these
people, there's something major they're going to lose
if they speak out against this.
Definitely.
Well, you saw what happened to Bob Menendez
and I thought that this case was really,
really interesting.
You know, New Jersey Senator.
I mean, he was arrested and convicted on
how many counts of being a foreign agent,
accepting only five and stuff like that.
But what really, really was interesting about this
case is that if you look at his
comments after he gets convicted, he couldn't believe
that he got convicted, even though he was
so flagrant.
I mean, he had like, he had money
sewn into his suit pockets and he had
like gold bars laying around this house.
Like this guy, like never thought in a
million years he was going to get caught.
Old school bribery, by the way.
Old school bribery.
Yeah.
People who don't know, Bob Menendez was a
Senator for New Jersey.
I met him one time, he's an arrogant
prick.
He was one of those terrible guys, right?
And him and his wife got involved with
some Egyptians.
Christian Egyptians.
And these guys, yeah, they're Coptic Egyptians.
I don't know if that was relevant to
the thing, but they happen to be Coptic
Egyptians.
They literally bribed the dude with suitcases of
bars of gold, like we're in the time
of Al Capone or something.
And this guy had them hidden all over
the place.
And even inside of his suit, he had
it sewn and money put in there, sewn
back together like an old school bribery.
So that's the background.
So continue.
What's crazy is what he said, his comments
after he got convicted, he was like, he
said something to the effect of, if this
is how it's going to be, then all
the Senators are compromised.
Just like that.
I was like, whoa, he said the quiet
part out loud.
He basically said this is what everybody does.
And I guarantee you that the rest of
them aren't going around with Egyptian Guineas.
They're going around with shekels and they're going
around with other sorts of things.
We know that Israel does this.
Israel brags about doing it.
I know I can hear the Zionists now
saying, oh my God, anti-Semitic, it's an
anti-Semitic trope to say that, you know,
do the Jews control the world or their
financially?
Listen, Israelis brag about it.
Netanyahu brags about it.
This is public information.
It's not about being Jewish.
I've had good relationships with Jewish people throughout
my life.
Like I've got absolutely nothing against the Jewish
people, but Israelis and the Israeli government, they
have publicly stated that they are doing this.
Only an idiot would think that they're not.
And if they're saying they're bragging about this
much, how much is off camera that they're
doing?
And the logic says that who's the most
powerful person in the room is the one
you can't talk about, right?
If you could talk about them, they're probably
not that powerful, right?
The fact that I was thinking it was
Suharto, which one of the presidents of Indonesia
made one of these statements about them running
the economics of the world.
And then he was censured on all the
media outlets.
And then I think it's CNN.
He responded back and he said, well, you
guys are all proven the point, right?
Because if I utter a word and now
I'm getting harangued and censured by every single
media outlet for saying that, you've done nothing
except strengthen my point, make my point, right?
So school's back up.
Today was the first day of school here,
I believe.
Why don't we talk about the campus encampments
that it seems like it was yesterday that
they were going on, then school ended.
Most of the encampments, maybe who knows, just
got some kind of token deal that they
had to accept.
But what is the status with the encampments
and the protests on university campuses?
Are they...
A lot remains to be seen.
There's definitely the sense of gearing up for
a showdown on all sides.
You see that the Zionists have attempted to
maneuver throughout the summer to try to get
colleges and universities to have more robust and
meaty anti-Semitism protocols, which by that they
mean you can't criticize Zionism, you can't criticize
Israel.
So that's their chess piece, that they've tried
to maneuver in that particular way.
Any sort of holes that existed within college
administration bylaws or student handbook or things like
that, they've tried to plug those holes to
make it easier to prosecute, to expel, to
break up encampments, to break up protests.
It remains to be seen, I was just
reading just before I came online, that Columbia
University, nonetheless, students were picketing their first day
in class today.
And that was one of the things that
I've been talking to students all summer about,
trying to strategize, because encampment is a tactic.
Occupying space is a tactic.
Protesting is a tactic.
But there's many, many tactics.
And the real question is, in the realm
of politics, you either need to be able
to withhold something that somebody needs, or you
have to provide a credible threat to something
that somebody needs.
That's how politics works when it comes to
electoral politics or advocacy, lobbying.
Otherwise, it's not about being liked.
It's not about cooking brownies, baking brownies, handing
out brownies, and couscous.
It is about power responding to power.
And if universities even think that students don't
have any power, well, they're going to trample
all over them.
They're going to call in the cops again,
and YPD will come in with the guns
drawn, as they did in May, and they'll
sweep the encampments.
Which, by the way, it seems like most
of the encampments got swept by police and
busted up.
Some of them took heels and stuff like
that, but many of them were just sort
of absolutely obliterated by the cops.
So the question is now about tactics.
What do universities need more than anything?
In the neoliberal economy in which we live,
universities have become for-profit machines.
Universities are not about education anymore.
They are about bottom line.
They are about their dollars, their profit margins.
That's why university presidents get paid such obscene
amounts.
That's why they've cut costs over the years
when it comes to various services that universities
used to provide.
It's all about increasing the margins.
So that is something that is at one
time a strength, and it's at the same
time a weakness.
How do you affect that?
How do you deliver a credible threat to
that or withhold something from that?
For example, this is what the Zionists did
on their side, where they had powerful donors
that organized and basically said, all right, if
you guys aren't going to crack down on
these protests and encampments, then we're going to
withhold our donations.
That's what it's going to look like.
How can we manage that?
Because to be frank, it's no secret the
Muslim alumni network is not very strong.
They're not organized.
They don't donate big bucks to these institutions
that they're dependent upon.
So how do you create leverage in a
different way?
Colleges need tuition more than anything.
I think if there was something like a
coordinated tuition strike, and they also need labor,
they also need a certain amount of classes
to go off to account it for the
year.
So if the faculty were able to be
organized to do a faculty strike so that
things don't happen.
Overall, colleges care the most about money and
reputation.
Looking at the USA Today publishes a list
of the top universities and colleges in the
country every year.
Universities are always trying to get a leg
up on one another because that's their competition.
How do you knock them down a couple
notches in these rankings due to what they've
done?
I know some groups that are starting up
some sort of things about, and Jewish life
has already done this, and Zionists have already
done this, where they say, oh, this campus
is safe for Jewish practice.
Where's ours?
We have people that are making it.
It's actually in the works right now so
that we're actually going to be able to
withhold Muslim students from even going to universities
that are hostile to Muslim students, which is
just plain sense.
So these are the types of things that
you have to look about.
Is there a possibility that the encampment is
still a youthful tactic?
Yes, it is, but it's a case-by
-case scenario.
Every group and every student body needs to
look at its particular situation and look at
what's the best way to create leverage that's
going to force the hand of the college
to respond to its demands, which are not
ludicrous demands.
They are very, very simple and sensible demands.
And is there a group of you guys
discussing this stuff offline?
I mean, all the time.
The Jewish groups, they got tons of institutionalized
support.
Forget the student bodies, the Chabad House, they
got the student groups, but they got APAC,
they got all these institutions that have been
around for 50 years.
Who's taking the lead on our side?
Yeah, the bad news is we're playing catch
up.
So you're 100% right that we're not
as institutionalized.
Everything is very, very ground floor.
The good news is, and I say this
often, that it was as if the last
10 months turned the lights on.
So much energy in the Muslim community.
I just had a 30-minute call this
morning before work.
Someone wanted to get my time, someone from
the DMV area down near Washington, DC, about
these types of efforts.
Big shots.
We're talking about corporate, we're talking about tech
guys, we're talking about people who build up
and sell off companies.
So we're starting to see a ton of
energy being put into the institutionalization of these
services, which is great.
Yes, it was a lack of capacity that
we should have had built before.
I think that post 9-11, people got
scared and people turned to relief work and
people were, this was the type of capacity,
let's put it this way, this is the
type of capacity we should have been building
since at least 2022, 2020, or excuse me,
2002, 2003.
It wasn't.
Okay, whatever.
Let bygones be bygones, but now it's on
everybody's minds.
People are organizing themselves slowly.
There's growing pains, but I think there's a
lot to look forward to in the community.
So part of what I do is, yes,
these offline side chat conversations where we're connecting
people, we're networking people, we're seeing who's going
to be influential in this particular sector or
this particular sector.
How can we maximize benefiting from each other
and how can we create this type of
leverage such that we can actually just hold
our own and stop being pushed around?
And one of the things I always like
to talk about is that the Muslim activism
in the country is not going to be
similar to the Jewish activism.
Jewish activism is at a type of higher
level and works downward.
That doesn't work with Muslims.
Muslims always operate and we alter the culture.
We get into the culture.
We're regular people, blue collar people, middle class
people, more so than trying to operate with
some few elites that go downward.
So Muslims should not be intimidated when they
see that, let's say, Yale has, I don't
know, three donors who donate 100 million a
year and they threatened to pull out if
Yale doesn't do this, that or whatever situation.
I think Muslims are more likely to be
a mass group of people who affect the
culture and become part of the culture more
so than this top town.
What do you think about that?
Yeah, no, I completely agree with that.
And that's important for Muslims to keep in
mind because sometimes you get in the mind
of, well, how do we replicate what they're
doing?
Well, you can assess what the other side
is doing and you can take what works
for you, but it's not a copy paste
game.
It's definitely a strength of the Muslim community
to be grassroots.
The Muslim community can only be grassroots.
And that I think is going to actually
be one of the major causes of our
victory in the end.
Because when it comes to Zionism, as you
said, it's a very top-down imposed sort
of ideology.
They're using every dirty trick in the book,
whether it's blackmail or whether it's intimidation or
bully tactics, that builds resentment in people.
People will go along with it for a
little bit, but the second you fall, everyone's
going to be cheering for your downfall.
And that's the difference between the Muslim capacity
that we're building.
We're not looking to cheat anybody.
We're not looking to silence anybody or muzzle
anybody.
We're not looking to...
All we want, and this is something from
the beginning of Islam, all we want is
a fair playing field.
Give us a fair playing field, we'll bet
on ourselves every single time.
You know why?
Because our product is real.
We have a real product.
It's not some sort of ethno-supremacism, some
sort of cult mentality like Zionism.
It's not like that.
We believe in contributing.
We believe in making beautiful culture.
We believe in uplifting everybody around us.
These are Islamic principles.
So in any place that Islam has spread,
it has improved it.
Whether it's Spain, whether it's Southeast Asia, whether
it's parts of China, wherever Islam has gone,
it has indigenized.
It has produced a vibrant local Islamic culture.
That vibrant local Islamic culture has enriched everybody,
whether it's the local Christians or other sorts
of groups or whatever.
That is what we bet on ourselves every
single time.
So I definitely am optimistic when it comes
to that.
And when you look at some people who
say, what are you so upset about?
They conquered you guys.
You also and your Sahaba and your companions
conquered other people, right?
So I loved the answer to this, that
not all conquest is the same.
This is an extremely important point in debating
these people.
And conquest, we do recognize, is part of
life.
If a company comes by that makes bagels
and another store makes bagels and has run
far better, give it five years, he's either
going to buy this guy out or just
take over his little shop, right?
J.D. Rockefeller did the same exact thing,
right?
He knocked on people's door.
He said, your oil refinery will last two
years.
I know your books and your prices and
what you charge.
I know my books and my prices and
what I charge.
You got two years.
So you either could join me now or
you're going to be out of business in
two years, right?
So expansion is good for humanity.
When someone's doing something great, they run a
country well.
Expansion, why did Allah put it in the
world?
It can be good for people, okay?
Now, expansion, when you look at it, you
have to ask yourself, in what way did
you expand?
How did you treat the citizens?
We're going to also add, why are you
expanding?
You know that if a Muslim country says,
you know what, that's a really good country
to conquer because it has some oil.
Let's go take that.
That's not jihad anymore, right?
That's not jihad.
So intention is one thing.
And I'll get back to intention because intention
should mean nothing to anybody because I don't
see it.
It's in your heart.
What is the objective measure to test your
intention?
That's going to reveal your intention.
So we're going to look at, what did
you do to the people's homes?
Steal homes.
Where did the sahaba ever steal someone's house?
Right.
Number two, did they go and destroy the
nation itself?
Like the trees, the roadways, the buildings, so
the infrastructure.
Number three, did you repatriate these people in
some capacity, right?
Gaza and West Bank, what citizen are you?
What government has your back, right?
Nobody.
So that's number three.
Number four, and this is the beauty of
it, it's really what you said earlier about
the bully versus the genuine person.
Let's take a look at what happens after
the generation of the companions and their kids
and their grandkids and all their kids and
all the Arabs altogether don't rule anymore.
These countries are still Muslim, right?
If your intention was still vicious and you
produce such a vitriol in the heart and
hatred in the hearts of those people, the
grandfather to his son, to his grandson, they
talk at the kitchen table and they transmit
generation after generation sentiments, right?
Why are all these people after 150 years
or 200 years now 50% Muslim, then
eventually 100% Muslim and 90% Muslim?
Because the sahaba went into these lands and
did well by them.
Yes, we're conquering, but we did well by
you, right?
We did good by you.
So their kids remain, you know?
So if I was to look at an
oil refinery in Ohio that was taken over
by J.D. Rockefeller and that oil refinery
100 years later is still run by the
same family, right?
Under the Rockefellers, then clearly the granddad was
good to our granddad.
That's why he didn't spread the hate.
And that's a really important difference for when
people say Israel's conquering like anybody else, right?
There's a big difference between conquests and conquests.
What do you have to add to that?
Yeah, 100%.
Well, that's why Allah said, that's the difference.
The proof's in the pudding.
Truth will last.
And falsehood falls really quickly.
Like evil, when it falls, just like the
bully, falls really quickly.
And the heavens and the earth won't cry
for you, right?
Because the whole creation was wishing for your
downfall.
SubhanAllah.
SubhanAllah.
Right?
Whereas the person who's just...
Yeah, exactly.
And if anybody, you know, any non-Muslims
watching want to check out Richard Bullitt is
one of the foremost scholars in this sphere
where he, you know, did all the archival
research.
You spell his last name, B-U-L
-L-I-E-T, I believe, where he
analyzes basically how did Islam spread.
And just as you said, it conquered areas,
but it didn't even integrate socially.
They really let people just be and continue
on in their cultures and the way that
they were.
And they collected taxes from them.
You know, they built, we know the garrison
cities, such as, you know, Kufa and these
other sorts of cities, Baghdad, that didn't exist
before.
So the Muslims would come to a place
and literally build their own city for the
Muslims.
And then they would like that was a
garrison city to protect the area, because now
they're responsible for protecting them.
Pretty much leave everybody alone to do what
they were already doing.
And Richard Bullitt proves that basically it took
two to 400 years for some of these
areas to even become majority Muslim.
That like, it was a very slow and
organic process.
This whole myth of Islam being spread by
the sword.
If you mean, if your political imaginary is
just the color on the map that changes
color and allegiance, right?
That this is, you know, okay, yeah, then
spread by the sword in some sense of
the word, yes.
But if you mean that Islam is coming
and forcing people to convert and like, you
know, raiding homes and splitting up families, absolutely
not.
This is this is the guilty conscience of
the Christian society and the Christian civilization, because
that's how Christianity spread.
Yeah, that's when Christianity when the papal bull
was released in what was it 1495 that
said every land and possession that's owned by
a Saracen, those are Muslims, and a barbarian
or a native, which is the indigenous people,
you can take it.
Hmm.
That's what the Catholic Church said to model
in the 1490s, you come across something that
is owned by a Muslim, you come across
something that's owned by a pagan, that was
the word they used pagan, you can take
it, they don't have any right to that
property.
That's the logic that justified the conquest of
the Americas and everything else.
Yeah, that's if that's your tradition.
That's what you're projecting on Islam.
That's not Islam.
It's not historical Islam.
That's not anything like this, right?
So that's the thing.
It's like, you said it, you said it,
there's nothing really else that needs to be
added is that conquest is one thing, right?
Colonialism is another thing.
Absolute annihilation of a people and their culture
and their way is a completely different thing.
And exactly what you said, you can tell
by the long term effects, you can tell
by the long term effects, that Islam enriched
every place that it touched.
And what do we see happening to, look
at Gaza right now.
What's going on there?
What's being enriched there?
It's just a process of annihilation and complete.
It's complete rubble.
Complete rubble.
It's just a, it's sick.
It's just absolutely sick.
Let's shift over for a second.
Last time we spoke, we talked about the
abandoned Biden campaign, right?
Well, now what is your take on with
Kamala Harris?
I know my cameras went down for a
second, but you guys can still hear my
voice.
No problem.
Now with Kamala, where did the, where does
the abandoned Biden campaign go now with Kamala
in?
This is the best thing that could happen
to us.
And I'll explain to you why, because first
of all, Muslims pat yourself on the back.
Okay.
Because the abandoned Biden campaign played an enormous
role in Biden stepping down and don't let
anybody tell you differently.
They don't want to, they don't want to
admit it.
Yes.
The debate, him tanking the debate, it pushed
him over the edge.
Yes.
He was abandoned by his political allies, but
does that happen so quickly without a movement
like abandoned Biden?
I don't think it does.
So for all of the Muslims who held
rank, right, and who didn't break rank and
said, we're not going to vote for the
man who's responsible for the genocide of our
people, pat yourself on the back.
That was probably the major cause of Biden
stepping down.
Now the democratic party, and it's, you know,
some of these guys like Martin Lings, you
know, they talked about the idea of inversions,
right?
That the modern age is defined by or
characterized by inversions.
We call things that are actually their opposites.
Yeah.
So Martin Ling says, for example, that we
call it humanism, but humanism is the most
anti-human ideology because it removes the most
beautiful part of humanity, which is a connection
with the divine.
And so he, you can say that the
democratic party is its own inversion.
They call themselves democratic and they are the
most animosity.
They have the most animosity towards democracy.
They don't care a hoot for democracy.
I am in WhatsApp groups with democratic delegates,
actual delegates for the democratic party.
They have done every single dirty trick in
the book to make sure that it was
not an open convention, that there was no
competition, that it went right to Harris.
Okay.
Why is this good for us?
This is good for us because it makes
this election a referendum on Gaza and Palestine.
If it were still Biden, you had people,
and you can take, you can look at
people like Mehdi Hassan.
People like Mehdi Hassan, the genocide was not
enough to abandon Biden for Mehdi Hassan.
He only decided to abandon Biden and call
for his replacement after the debate because of
his mental acuity and he's sort of losing
it.
So what's Allah doing by giving us this
opportunity?
First of all, the election that's coming up
is going to be about Palestine and about
Gaza.
It's a referendum.
There's no other issues that are coming in.
We don't have to worry about, she's young,
she's like, you know, in her mental faculties,
etc.
Remove all of that noise on the side.
Focus on the main issue.
Two, it's going to show us the true
people who have not sold out Palestine from
the hypocrites and those who will sell out
Palestine.
There have been people since November and December,
I'm looking at you, M-Gage, I'm looking
at you, other groups that affiliate with M
-Gage, that were always from the beginning planning
on driving the Muslims back to the Democratic
Party come November.
They were planning it from the beginning, only
it would have looked bad to do it
earlier.
And so they were waiting on the fence
for the right moment to say, okay, you
guys had your fun, you guys did your
activism, you know, we achieved something.
Now really you have to vote blue, right?
Because their careers depend on it, because their
connections depend on it, because their own sort
of, you know, these sorts of things depend
on it.
Now we get to see who's really made,
what you're really made of.
Are you going to stare this down?
And that's why the Abandoned Biden campaign relaunched
as the Abandoned Harris campaign, right?
That's their official name now.
They're not Abandoned Biden anymore, checkbox, complete victory.
Now it's Abandoned Harris, okay?
So now you've got two camps.
I'll give you two quick anecdotes, which demonstrate
good political thinking from bad political thinking.
Example one is the pop-up organization, the
Black Muslim Leadership Council that was sort of
organized mostly in Philadelphia, who, I kid you
not, they endorsed Harris before she even picked
a VP.
Crazy.
It was like they were in a race.
It was like someone, like, I don't even
understand, like, in what universe does that make
any political, the only universe in which that
makes political sense is if someone promised you
something, you know what I mean, right?
So that's what not to do, because you've
lost all your leverage.
You don't have any ability to even influence
the VP.
You don't have any ability to influence the,
you know, the cabinet or the platform or
the campaign or anything.
You've lost all your leverage.
Abandoned Biden turns into Abandoned Harris and says,
nope, we're holding on all of our leverage
right here.
We're quite happy with what we've got because
we're playing a game of chicken right now.
Who's going to blink first?
And the longer you hold on to your
leverage, the more panic the other side gets.
And then eventually they'll start giving you concessions.
There's no way that Harris picks Walz over
Shapiro without the Muslim influence.
And that's not an exoneration of Walz.
Walz is not good, okay?
But he is better than Shapiro, right?
Without the Muslims holding on to their leverage
and basically promising, delivering a credible threat that
we're not going to vote for her, there's
no way that she picks Walz over Shapiro.
Okay, she picks Walz.
Now we've got her on the run.
Now's the time some people are like, oh,
well, how much do you want?
We want everything.
We want a refusal.
We want a declaration, an actual action that
you're not going to arm Israel.
You know, we want the whole kit and
caboodle.
We're not letting up now.
This is the worst time to abandon your
leverage.
There was one particular Muslim representative in Georgia,
who they denied her a speaking slot at
the DNC.
And this reminded me, so Panel, you know
what it reminded me of?
It reminded me of Linda Sarsour when she
was insulted by the Biden campaign and essentially
basically apologized for them.
Like what an undignified sort of thing.
What an undignified sort of thing.
And so we had a similar situation where
there was a Muslim representative in Georgia who
was denied the opportunity to speak at the
Democratic National Convention in Chicago just a bit
ago.
And yet she's still saying, we have to
buck up and we have to vote for
Harris.
What's the matter with you?
These people are weak.
Weak.
And yes, there's always a maslaha.
And you know, it was one of the
mashayikh, they told me, I love it.
It was such a concise statement.
There's always a maslaha.
That's so true.
And the shaytan will always give you a
maslaha.
But what is really happening here?
You have completely let go of all your
leverage.
You had to choose between sort of your,
either your party affiliation or who's funding you
or who's funding your campaign or this or
that third and what was right.
Don't think that you're going to get anything
out of Harris by pushing people to vote
for her.
That's not how politics works at all.
You know what's crazy?
I started to think about, you know, this
one instance from the seerah, you know, Khatib
ibn Abi Balt'ah, right?
And he's the companion and he's a veteran
of veterans.
His intentions are, you know, obviously impeccable and
unimpeachable.
But he does make a political error in
the seerah.
When they're marching to Mecca, Prophet Mecca, and
he tries to send the letter, right?
And this hadith is in Sunan Abu Dawood,
where he tries to send a letter ahead
to warn the Quraysh that the Muslims are
coming.
Now, why does he do it?
Now, I had sort of misremembered it.
So I looked back into Sunan Abu Dawood
for the actual maslaha hadith this summer.
And I was surprised that to find that
he didn't even send the letter to his
family, telling his family to like be careful.
He sent the letter to the Quraysh themselves,
basically telling them that the Muslims are coming,
hoping, with a sort of naive hope, let's
say, that doing so would earn him a
favor on the other side.
Right?
This is really fascinating.
Now, obviously, the Prophet ﷺ is given wahi,
is given revelation that this is happening.
He sends Ali al-Muqtad to go, you
know, chase down the servant who was hiding
the letter in her hair.
They confiscate the letter.
They look at it.
They confront him.
They say, what is this?
Umar ﷺ threatens to cut his head off.
The Prophet ﷺ accepts his repentance and says,
listen, he didn't intend anything bad by it.
But still, he was corrected by the Prophet
ﷺ.
It wasn't bad intention.
It was just bad politics.
It was just bad politics because you can't
do a favor for somebody and give up
all of your leverage and then just expect
a favor in return.
That's not how it happens.
So for all the Muslims that are going
to try to drive us back to blue
and drive us back to Harris and say,
yeah, but Trump is worse.
Yeah, but Trump is whatever.
It's like, even if he's worse, even if
he's worse, we die on our feet rather
than live on our knees.
Because once you tell, once you communicate to
the political establishment that you can even commit
a genocide against other people and we still
will vote for you.
Yeah.
What's left?
Exactly.
What's left?
There's nothing left.
So this is, I firmly believe, you know,
like this is, this is a showdown.
This is a really a moment of political
maturity for the Muslim American community where we,
we've made mistakes.
We have to learn quick.
This is a golden opportunity.
The, this particular election, we absolutely have to
ensure that Harris loses.
I believe that a hundred percent and that
leaves the door open to whatever you want
to do.
I do personally at this point, I'm going
to say it and you're, this is exclusive
to you.
I haven't given this, uh, this recommendation publicly.
My personal recommendation is to vote Green Party.
That was not my recommendation even a month
ago, but seeing, seeing how everything is unfolding,
we need our, our, um, dissent to be
quantifiable.
Okay.
And that doesn't happen if you vote for
Trump.
It doesn't happen if you write in, it
doesn't happen if you stay home and vote
and don't vote.
Secondly.
So we want our, our sticking it to
the democratic party to be quantifiable.
The second thing is that the Green Party
realizes that they are very indebted to the
Muslims and Arabs in this election cycle.
And if they realize that they're indebted, what
does that mean?
That means that you have leverage.
When you have leverage, you get to dictate,
you get to say, listen, the Green Party
was willing to let us basically pick the
VP.
Okay.
First.
Yeah.
They need our votes more than anything.
They realize this is their one shot.
That's why they've gone all in on, on
Palestine.
It does.
I don't trust Jill Stein, like for the
I don't trust her, but it almost doesn't
matter because when you've got somebody in a
position like this, they have to do what
you want anyway.
So we have an ability to shape the
campaign and to shape the shape, the platform.
And if we turn out major for Stein
and the Green Party in 2024, so that
they're over 5%, they get federal funding doors
open to them.
Yeah.
Now we're in a position where we say
2028, we want to pick your presidential candidate.
We, it's not going to be Stein anymore.
We want to run one of our own
people on your candidate.
And if not, we'll walk.
If not, we'll walk.
And then, you know, you know, we'll, we'll
part ways.
That's what political thinking looks like.
You build leverage, you exert leverage, you get
what you want, right?
None of this periodic diplomacy where, you know,
you just do nice things for people and
hope they don't kill you.
And another way I look at it is
that the right is a constant.
And they're a constant in that you have
no voice there.
They've basically told you that you're not even
going to come close to sitting with us.
The left, however, does have some dialogue with
Muslims.
So if you're going to use the leverage,
the only place to use it is the
left.
That's why simply merely supporting the left just
to avoid the right, that gets you nowhere.
Absolutely nowhere.
And I'll, I'll, I'll even see you that
and I'll raise you one more.
Muslims talk all the time about we want
a Muslim AIPAC.
If we really want a Muslim AIPAC, you
know what that would look like?
AIPAC and Israel in general, the Zionist project
has more support on the right or the
left?
Right.
Naturally on the right.
Their support on the right is not in
doubt yet.
It's starting to crack.
It's actually starting to crack, which is amazing.
But it's more automatic on the right.
On the left, it's not automatic at all.
So what does that, how does that influence
how they apply their money?
They're going to focus more on the left.
They focus on the left.
And they primary people.
So rather than let it go to a
general election, they're going to primary an anti
-Zionist Democrat with a Zionist Democrat.
So what would be the Muslim equivalent?
The Muslim equivalent would be primarying a Zionist
Republican, like a neocon Republican against an America
first or an isolationist Republican.
If we really want to talk that way,
that's what it would look like.
You know, many people are not ready for
that conversation because they, they believe that this
is like tribalism or like, this is like
gang life where you have to just pledge
your loyalty, bleed blue.
And if you're front in line, then they're
going to.
Yeah.
They're treating it as if there's some kind
of piety involved.
Like I need to be good and I'm
going to be rewarded for goodness.
You're not rewarded for goodness here.
And we had this conversation way back.
Remember when I, when we talked about consistency.
Yeah.
Right.
Remember at one school of thought, we're not
going to name who was behind that school
of thought was basically saying that you had
to be consistent.
And the other school of thought is like,
this is the politics, Habibi.
And it's like, this is not, we're not
doing dawah.
If someone becomes a Muslim along the way,
alhamdulillah, but this is politics, right?
So if you play the game, you play
the game.
So that's what it would look like.
But as, but even that, and just, you
know, to, to further round out what you're
saying that the cracks on the right are
very interesting and should be developed that, you
know, these, we didn't have in 2016, right.
We didn't have a Tucker Carlson or a
Candace Owens.
We didn't have people questioning Israel on right
-wing sort of podcasts with all their warts.
I know people are going to want to
cancel me for saying, oh my God, he's
a, you know, he's a fascist or a
right.
Listen, you can have your, again, purity.
Like you said, you can have your ideological
purity, you and yourself alone in your closet.
But let's talk about, let's talk about actual
politics.
If you want to get things done, it
benefits Muslims to develop sensible relationships with people
on both sides who are amenable to our
interests and who share common goals.
That's how politics works.
So we're, I feel we're growing up.
I feel like we're, we're heading in the
right direction.
Uh, tell me a couple of questions more
before I let you go is, uh, you
mentioned the green party and they even, uh,
open the door for Muslims to suggest a
candidate is so tell me about that.
Is it the first time I hear that?
Yeah.
Well, there's some inside information I can't divulge
at this time that we'll have to have
a conversation after, after November.
But I was, let me say this, that
we had generated so much noise and so
much leverage and the green party recognizes the
opportunity in front of them, that the Muslim
community had a major say and major opportunity
and was given a major voice when it
came to picking the VP to the point
where if we had been ready for that,
it totally caught us off guard.
If we had been ready, we could have
run somebody, put someone on the ticket.
And this is no, this is no disrespect
to Dr. Ware, like, but, but, but we
could have perhaps picked someone who was more
of a household name.
Let's just say that.
Wow.
Right.
Somebody that could have very unambiguously united the
Muslim vote.
Wow.
Let's just say that.
Wow.
That would have been interesting.
That would have been very interesting.
Yeah.
That would have really exposed all of these
vote blue, no matter who Democrats, who would
be going up against people who have, you
know, their, their, their reputation is impeccable and
not questioned in the Muslim community.
Not again, no, no shots fired at Dr.
Ware, not that he had, but, but people,
people don't know him like that.
That's all I'm saying.
Like, like that this sort of younger group
and the more sort of leftists, you know,
activist circles, they know Dr. Ware, but your
traditional sort of uncles in the masjid don't
really, this is the first time they're hearing
of him.
That's all I'm saying.
And what, what would you do now with
the very progressiveness of the green party?
How would you sell that?
How would that person sell that to the
Muslims?
Well, this is one of the difficult things,
and this is why leverage, this is where
leverage becomes important, right?
So if the green party knows that they
sink or swim this election, depending on the
Muslim vote, we have to leverage that.
We don't look at it in a tribalistic
way, oh, the green party's our friends now,
and we just shut up and we're down
the road.
No, now's when we say, all right, this
is part of your platform.
Listen, Jill Stein said something really dumb about
the Muslim Brotherhood the other week, calling them
like, you know, jihadists or something crazy, like
right-wing talking points.
It's like, if you have that much leverage
with a party, now's when you say, you're
not going to talk about this, you're not
going to talk about that, and this is
not going to be your issue, or this
issue is not going to be part of
your platform issue.
That's politics, right?
It comes to, of course, we know that
when it comes to sexuality and gender, the
progressives do not align with the Muslim community,
nor should they, right?
But when you actually start to do politics
and you build leverage and use it, now
you can actually gain concessions and that sort
of thing.
It's like, we love you guys on your
foreign policy, we love you guys when it
comes to this and that and the third,
but we don't agree over here.
So you guys, if you want our support,
support is always conditional.
That's what people are saying in politics, support
always has to be conditional, everything has to
be a transaction.
It's not that one, it's the opposite.
Like, we are being transactional.
If you want our support, you have to
shelve this, you have to put this aside,
you have to de-emphasize this, and that
makes it palatable.
That was my concern two months ago.
I would have said, don't endorse anybody.
I would have not endorsed anybody.
And I would have said, even to the
Green Party, no, because of these things.
Now, because of how everything has moved, I
see that the Muslims have enough leverage within
the Green Party to actually dictate somewhat, at
least, what those things are going to be.
And so that's why I'm actually advocating for
Muslims to go even more in on the
Green Party so we can build that leverage
and then use that leverage.
So you're saying, get in, show them what
they have so that they could see later
what they have to lose.
Yes, I think there's two prongs.
So one prong, I think that we do
have enough leverage to, even before the election.
I think when it comes to talking about
the campaign priorities and the different sort of
policies and things like that, I think that's
a conversation that can happen right now.
I don't think that has to wait until
we demonstrate at the ballot box in November.
In fact, it has to happen right now,
because as you were sort of alluding to,
we're not going to be able to turn
out the Muslim vote with rainbow flags.
So that's got to hit the shelf real
quick if we're going to pull out numbers.
However, when it comes to who are the
actual people on the ticket, that's something that
I think that if we really show up
for the Green Party in November and we
push them over, if they get 5%
or 10% or even 15%, if we're
being super optimistic, then that becomes a conversation
in December.
Or it's like, okay, let's plan for next
election cycle.
And we want more say as to who's
going to be your actual, like your presidential
candidate.
Really interesting.
It'd be very interesting to see the day
that there is a party that is willing
to listen to the Muslims so much that
even on matters of social values and things
that they'll have to listen.
And if they don't, then we walk.
And that's how haggling in the soup happens.
And that's why I thought that people, politics
is like haggling in the soup.
If you're not willing to walk away from
the table, they've got you.
So you have your goals, you realize that
it's a give and take, it's back and
forth.
But at the end of the day, you
have to be willing to walk.
If we pull out in huge numbers for
the Green Party and they say, forget you
guys, then we walk and we learn our
lesson.
We say, okay, we're going to do something
else 2028.
I think it's such an important lesson and
I don't, I kept you for an hour.
I don't want more than an hour.
I want to close with this.
Is that such an important lesson in any
relationship and anything that person does, you have
to outline at what point do I say
no to this?
And if you look at most people who
don't do that, and most people who buy
something that they don't want, it's basically, they
don't know how to say no.
And they never outlined at what price point
or at what request, at what element I'm
going to say, nah, I'm going to just
go my own way.
And what words are you going to use?
When they don't have that, they end up
basically buying the product or tolerating something like
abuse just to end the experience.
Exactly.
A hundred percent.
And that's why for your viewers, I want
every single person that asks that question to
any Muslim who comes to you now to
November telling you to vote for the Democratic
Party.
Ask them in what situation would you tell
me, would you not tell me to vote
for them?
How many Muslims have to die?
How many Palestinians?
Until all of Al-Quds has Israeli flags
over it, until the entire Gaza envelope and
all of the West Bank is taken, what
would it take for you to stand in
front of me and tell me to not
vote blue?
And I guarantee you, the vast majority of
people who are going to tell you to
vote blue have no answer for that.
No answer, yeah.
It's a blind loyalty and it's tribalism, as
you said, and it's like bir al-walidayn,
right?
That's what they're treating it like.
Interesting discussion as usual.
I had a couple more questions on my
mind that I want to bring up with
you, but it's too much.
We're holding you on too long.
It's okay.
It's an easy excuse to come back.
Alhamdulillah.
Very good, very good.
Thank you so much, first of all, for
staying so long.
I really appreciate it.
Anytime.
Inshallah, see you soon.
See you soon.
Jazakallah.
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There are a couple of things, and everyone
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Chief Lateef is here, and Chief Lateef actually
addressed Butch Ware on the LigvidIQ issue, and
he said, you're coming to our mosque, but
your platform has LigvidIQ all over it, right?
How are we going to support this?
And I heard Butch Ware's response, and he
is an eloquent speaker and everything, but on
this one, he got a little bit emotional,
right?
He got a bit annoyed, and he was,
in fact, I would say, through some things
that were non sequiturs, nothing to do with
anything.
He said, I will not accept to see
gay people getting killed.
Who's killing?
Who's fighting gay people and killing gay people?
What are you talking about?
Right?
People are celebrated wherever they walk, right?
If a kid wants to be accepted in
his school and become made a celebrity, he
comes out as gay, right?
Or a trans or whatever.
It's the opposite now, right?
You get celebrated.
And then he said something like, what was
it?
He had some other things that really had
nothing to do with what Chief Lateef is
asking, a very simple question.
You know, as that famous Instagrammer would say,
yes, it's a very simple question, right?
It's a very simple question.
How am I going to lend support to
a group that is saying something haram in
my religion and standing for it and cheering
for it?
It's a very simple question.
And see, Imam Tom answered it pretty well.
And he said, look, you have to eventually
develop enough leverage to actually say no, right?
And you know what Butch Ware would have
been better off saying?
He said, yeah, I don't like it either.
But my strategy is, if we can show
them how, if we can be involved in
this party, we can have a say in
removing it later, right?
That would have been a fair, you can
agree or disagree, but at least it would
be a fair answer, right?
Rather than trying to ignore the question altogether.
Chief Lateef is asking a very simple question
that every Muslim is saying, right?
It's a simple answer.
The right answer would be, yeah, but the
thing is, as the VP, he can't say
he doesn't like part of the platform, right?
So that's why he can't say that.
But that's the only answer to give.
So yeah, I don't like it either.
But I'm trying to change this party from
within.
And the Green Party is a party, as
an outsider, seems that you could change it
from within.
It's so small, it seems, right?
How many people are involved in the Green
Party, right?
It would seem if right now in 2024,
okay, 2024, they're asking the Muslims to be
so involved, then I think the future looks
bright for them to be more involved in
this party.
And there's 234,000 registered members of the
Green Party.
That is such a small party, right?
I mean, if one or two major Muslim
groups told their people to get involved, they'd
be the majority soon, right?
So that's the issue of, yeah, 244k.
That's nothing.
If it was a million, that's still nothing,
right?
In terms of having a voice.
So Imam Tom's point is that we can
actually be, we can actually influence these people,
right?
Influence this party.
And if that's the lifeline of the party,
a thing with only 250 members, 1000 members,
there are probably more Muslims in the whole
East Coast, right?
Hey, it's green already.
So might as well get involved in that
party and then say, listen, we'll leave if
you don't take this stuff off your website,
right?
Who knows if that'll happen, but that's the
idea.
All right, let's go to Q&A.
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Let's go to your Q&A.
Okay, good.
Very good.
Very good.
What place do emotions have in Islam, says
the pulsating amygdala?
How to avoid extremes?
Okay, either constantly obeying your emotion or ignoring
them.
Very simple.
Sharia doesn't necessarily tell you about things internally
because we can't see them or interact with
them.
But what Sharia does tell is what lines
this emotion has to stop here and has
to go here.
And that emotion essentially will be regulated by
that action.
So for example, maybe a simple example.
Allah says in the Quran, if you love
your homes, your businesses, your kids, your family,
all that more than you love Allah and
his messenger, then get ready for punishment.
Oh, hold on a second.
How do I look inside and see what
do I love more?
Right?
So the answer is outside.
The answer is on the outside.
If are you willing to do something forbidden
for the sake of money, then at that
moment you love money more than you love
Allah.
So it is objective through actions.
If you are willing to remain silent on
someone who insults your prophet just so that
a deal can go through.
Let's say you're at the table.
You're about to have a deal with somebody,
right?
And that guy, you're about to have amazing
deal.
You're going to make so much money from
this guy, from this deal.
And he says, luckily, you're not one of
these Mohammedans who does all these things.
And he goes and makes fun of the
prophet.
You as a Muslim are in a very,
very important juncture at that moment in time.
If you just chuckle and you make the
deal, so you were willing for the money
to throw your messenger over the bus, under
the bus.
Let's make it a lot clearer.
Right?
Your mom and your wife are sitting there.
And the guy across the table from you
says, good luck in your life.
You live with it, with that old hag
your whole life.
And now you're living with this, whatever.
And you smile.
Are you going to smile and chuckle?
You're getting up immediately.
You're getting up immediately off the table.
And if you do not flip the table,
right?
The prophet is more worthy of you, meaning
all your loyalty, all your love than your
own self.
Right?
So here, that's a good example.
Always give an example that we can all
get.
Yeah.
And then when you go and you tell
everybody, what happened?
No, no deal.
Why no deal?
Guy insulted my mom and my wife right
in front of me.
Right?
He thought it was a joke, but no,
no deal.
So at that point, same thing.
The point here is that love and emotions
are referred to, but the objective action is
on the outside.
So when you get too happy or too
down, many people have a little bit of
that bipolarness.
That's probably offensive in some circles, but I
mean to say they get too up and
too down.
No offense to people who actually suffer from
a disease of any sort, but you're going
to measure it first by haram and fard,
the two extremes.
The obligation, the extremes, I don't mean, I
mean bookends, the bookends of our legal rulings,
obligations or prohibitions.
You're too happy should not ever cause you
to do haram.
And many people do this.
When they get too happy, they spill into
the prohibited.
So therefore you are a follower of your
emotions at that moment, more so than Allah.
You love to be happy so much.
Right?
That you will even disobey your Lord in
that.
And another one, he gets so down, he
won't even get up to pray.
So you are too obedient to these emotions.
What do we say?
We say you have full control over your
limbs.
You are not majnun.
You are not possessed.
You have control over your limbs.
Fix the situation with your limbs.
Move, get up and move.
Now here's the thing.
When you do that, you stop being down
anymore.
Anyone who's down, go to the masjid, pray
in the mosque, hang out a little bit,
pray the next prayer in the mosque.
You won't be in depression after like two
prayers, right?
Unless it's an external depression like unemployment, sickness,
like that's different.
But a regular, I'm just down today, right?
Go to the masjid.
Some people, by the way, they have seasonal
disorder.
They should go out and get the light
because a lot of people say the light
works, right?
You know, the seasonal depression disorder, seasonally affected
disorder, whatever.
That light apparently does work on a lot
of people.
And basically, you wake up when you're having
your morning coffee or your breakfast, you just
push that light on for 25 minutes and
it's like shining on you.
Apparently, it really fixes people.
So a lot of people have seasonal effect
and most of us here, most of the
names I see in the live stream chat,
your DNA is not made for the Northern
Hemisphere, right?
And you know, DNA changes over time, like
maybe in two, three generations, those kids will
be made for this and who knows, maybe
not.
But all of us here, we're in hot
countries.
We're from hot, our parents are from hot
countries, right?
So who knows how long that's going to
take for our offspring here in the Northern
Hemisphere to just adapt to three, four months
of more or less gray, right?
Let's see what Malachi Klik says because he's
originally Norwegian.
He says, due to the sun not shining
except for four hours a day in Norway,
that happens to a lot of Norwegians.
See?
Even they get it because they have something
up way up at the top of Norway.
They have a little town there that has
something called the Polar Night, which is basically
the sun sets and it rises about two
and a half months later.
That it's one long night, right?
I wonder if someone's going to say there's
ever been a faqih who said, it's Aisha
for three months, right?
But of course they have to do taqdeer.
They have to pray according to an estimated
calendar, right?
So maybe they'll pray according to Asla or
something.
They'll get the Asla prayer times tables.
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By the way, speaking of Aqidah, I'm very
happy with what's happening these days.
These brothers, Atharis, Salafis are driving so much
attention to Ash'ari Aqidah.
I couldn't do it myself, to be honest
with you.
I couldn't get this much attention for Ash
'ari Aqidah myself.
And someone tells you, oh yeah, but they're
spreading falsehoods, lies, doesn't make a difference.
People have brains.
People have brains.
The resources are out there.
Half the people, firstly, are like, what?
What is this?
They don't even know either side.
The other half split them in two.
One has a bad, half has a bad
opinion.
Half has already made up their minds, right?
So all that remains is get the word
out there for what we believe.
There are, I'll tell you what they try,
it's imagined now.
The Ash'ari is sitting down and saying,
this is Islam.
Ah, let's see which way we can ruin
Islam by adding some Greek myths in here.
Let's sneak the Greek myths in here, whatever.
Guarantee you 99% of the Ash'ari
theologians, of the Hanafis, of the Malikis, have
never opened a single book of these Greeks.
Could not even tell you a single thing
about them.
It's nothing to do with that.
It has to do with simple, basic understandings
of Mas'al that seem to be contradictory,
and we have to solve the contradiction.
Basic terms, you know, one time I said,
a brother told me the other day on
Twitter, he said, you define place, your definition
of place is Aristotelian.
What's Aristotelian about?
Common sense.
Badeeh is a common sense.
Fitri, place is a location where another thing
is.
That's it.
The table is the place of the iPad.
That's it.
There's no philosophy in this, right?
The Hayyaz is the thing, it's like the,
a little bit, almost volume, almost, right?
Something completely wrapping something up.
And some said the Hayyaz and the Meccan
is all the same.
Are we going to now say that Meccan
is not a clear-cut meaning across the
world?
Go ask a Chinese man what is Meccan,
right?
Scholars too.
Why don't we go to the Arabic lexicons?
So we that are taught, we define the
terms, you define the necessary implications of terms,
and we avoid contradictions.
Straight up common sense.
For anyone who has, who thinks critically, not
infected by any other ideology, you will come
up with the same conclusions.
It's also hypocrisy, like, because the premise here
is that if you take something from a
non-Muslim source, then automatically everything is wrong.
Like, you know, like the Prophet ﷺ said,
Right?
Like a word of wisdom is the last
property of a believer.
So just because like, okay, like, what language
do you speak?
You probably learn things in English, right?
Is English like a Muslim language?
Is this from like a divine origin?
No, so your entire premise, right?
You're using the English language.
You're using something that was from the Kuffar,
English, right?
Yeah.
So all the things that you're doing, they
must be haram, right?
You're using English.
By the way, rational sciences, just basic rational
sciences, and demonstrable sciences can be taken from
anybody.
The reason is, it doesn't rely on his
honesty.
If a Hindu tells us that if you
mix blue and red, you get purple.
I don't believe him.
He's going to do the experiment right in
front of my face and in front of
my own two eyes.
In our world right now, half of the
Muslim surgeons, he was taught by Dr. Patel,
right?
But did he trust Dr. Patel?
No, Dr. Patel just did the surgery in
front of him, right?
Same with math.
It's an equation.
So certain knowledges, if the Kuffar has it,
it's simply because he did more experiments, or
he just thought about it more.
And you don't take it from him as
if you're trusting him and taking his knowledge.
No, it's merely if he can put the
equation of math in front of you, you
can learn it from him, right?
So nothing in Aqidah of the Asha'ir
or Maturidiyah has come from outside of Islam.
You know, one more thing, it's funny that
you say that because these people, right?
So I've seen some of these Salafi guys,
they point the finger at the Asha'iris
and stuff.
Oh, you guys are taking from non-Muslims,
this and that.
Even though, like you mentioned, we're not just
blindly taking it.
It's funny because you guys are actually doing
that.
So in some of these debates, they'll quote
statistics from non-Muslim sources, right?
So you're taking all these statistics that you're
relying upon in your arguments, where'd you get
that from?
From a doctor, John, whatever, right?
So why are you like, these guys, they
don't actually believe in what they're saying.
Here's the thing, if you actually believed in
what you were saying, right?
Then you would pick up on that, that,
okay, this is actually from a non-Muslim
source, this and that.
No, you guys are just picking choosers.
You don't actually believe in what you're saying.
Yeah.
So like, you're just misguiding people.
Bogues.
Thank you.
Logic is an innate, it's self-evident knowledge.
Logic, when I remember taking the first book,
the Sulam, that's the teacher, I'm like, oh
my gosh, am I going to take a
class?
I was like younger, right?
Here we go.
The sheikhs are speaking, like, this is it?
What is it other than someone who thought
about something that nobody else thought of?
If he had said, categorize this, we'd all
come to the same conclusion, right?
It's literally self-evident knowledge, right?
And some of the claims, even some of
the, our ulama didn't accept all of their
summary claims, right?
To show that our ulama didn't take everything
from them.
Do we take ahad hadith in aqeedah or
just action?
We take ahad hadith in aqeedah and in
ibadat and the Hanafis and Malikis have an
extra condition here that it should not offer
an exception to a mutawatir source.
The Maliki's mutawatir source is Ahl al-Madinah.
That is their mutawatir.
Of course, the Quran too, right?
Quran, we all agree is mutawatir.
The Shafis and Hanbalis do hold, however, that
the ahad hadith can provide an exception to
the mutawatir.
And the Hanafis have another rule that it
should not be from the matters of everyday
rulings, right Omar?
The Hanafis, they do not utilize the ahad
hadith in everyday rulings, if it affects daily
practice.
We'll just object that.
Anyway, I'm split-minded because at one point,
I want to respond.
Another point, I almost feel like lured into
a trap from Iblis because we literally have
Armageddon.
We feel like this is the century it's
going to happen, right?
This is the century Israel is going to
be so back against the world, they could
nuke a couple of countries, right?
You feel that's in the air.
And I'm here being drawn into these things.
I feel like almost like stupid about it,
right?
Like why am I discussing this thing?
We were about to get nuked.
Our whole world, I don't even know if
nuked, they'll give the countries away at this
rate, right?
They'll give their own countries away.
They give their people away, their brothers and
sisters in Islam, they give them away.
So that's why on the other hand, who
knows Allah Ta'ala may be using these
trends, all right, to spread this aqidah because
this aqidah will fill in all the gaps
in your head.
There'll be no contradictions in your mind at
all.
Let's, speaking of that, let's take one thing
since we did end up covering.
Amr, can you open up the pictures I
sent you?
And we'll just read those really quickly, because
this is a question that came up.
And let's go to, yeah, let's start with
not that one first.
Yeah, let's next one.
There you go.
Let's start with that one first.
All right.
So here is a question on when Allah
created Adam on his image, is it, did
he create Adam on God's image?
Or did he create Adam on his own
image?
Or did he create Adam on another man's
image?
Meaning that that man looked like Adam.
He's created in the same form Allah created.
And in that all three statements have been
said.
Remember, we're not here trying to push one
ijtihad, one commentary and saying that's all of
Islam.
I may, there may be a commentary.
I said, I believe this is the truth,
right?
This is most close to the truth and
most sound to follow.
But I have to tell you, if it
is a commentary or not, you're robbing, you're
fooling Muslims and misleading them.
If you tell them that an opinion is
the religion, and that's it, that's not right.
You have to say where it's a matter
of opinion.
And here I'm telling you, there are three
statements on this.
It's, okay, one of the first statement is
that Allah created Adam on his own image.
That's a statement.
But that doesn't mean we have to follow
that statement.
Just because something is a statement does not
necessarily mean that all of our teachers will
agree to it.
And our teachers and our main sources do
not agree with that.
What do they say?
They say that there is a second opinion
where it's a man struck his son.
Another hadith, the Prophet said, when you fight
wars, avoid the face because Adam created, Allah
created Adam on his image, meaning that was
the face that Allah created Adam upon.
So to honor that, don't hit that.
All right, let's take another one.
That could be the case.
Let's take another hadith.
This was the one that we have up.
Allah created Adam on his image and his
height is 60 yards.
So therefore, his here must refer to Adam.
Because in basic, and I think every language
has this, when you say a pronoun, it
points to the nearest noun that was mentioned.
That's number one.
Secondly, and his height is 60 feet tall.
Clearly, that's not Allah.
It's clearly talking about Adam, because no one
will say the height of Allah is 60
yards tall.
Okay, so third pronoun, again, the third pronoun
here.
So all refer to Adam.
Let's take another question here.
Why would Allah say that he created Adam
on his image?
Meaning the image that he had of the
dunya, that way that the human being looks,
is how Adam was created in the heavens.
It's to clarify that, to clarify the issue
of was Adam created differently in the heavens?
Like does the human being look the same?
Or when he came to the earth, he
looked different?
Right?
So let's turn to our go-to and
that is the first one we're going to
look at is Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani.
And then we're going to, and that is
the bigger one.
Okay, go to the move that.
Yeah, there you go.
Let's go to Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani.
Somebody recently said Nawawi and Ibn Hajar are
not authorities anywhere, or Nawawi is not an
authority to any Muslim.
Well, really?
You ever hear of Al-Shafi'i?
Right?
He is the number one authority in fiqh
for them.
Right?
And his aqeedah is pristine.
And his sharh of Muslim is an amazing
sharh, even though he wrote it very young.
Still one of the most amazing sharhats.
Well, yes, well he is our authority.
And go to any faqih in the world,
any Hanafi, Maliki or Shafi'i.
And he said, yeah, Shaykh, if I live
my life and all I had were the
works of Imam al-Nawawi, where he says
go, I go, where he says do this,
I do that.
Not he's saying, he's saying the religion says,
right?
What's my status with Allah?
And I succeed at that.
What's my status with Allah?
It's going to have to say, well, your
status is very good.
If all of your aqeedah is as Nawawi
said it, all of your fiqh is as
Nawawi said it, all of your akhlaaq and
your tasawwuf is as Nawawi said it, you
will be very good.
Is that no one's going to deny.
Now, unless, and if you do hold that
Nawawi himself is a misguided person, then we're
not talking to you anymore.
We can't talk to you.
They're like at that point, what common ground
do we have?
So this here is Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani.
He's the other one, except Ibn Hajar does
not have the tawassul and the place in
fiqh that Nawawi has in fiqh.
خَلَقَ اللَّهُ آدَمَ عَلَى صُورَتِهِ تَقَدَّمَ بَيَانُهُ فِي
بَدْءِ الْخَلْقِ وَاخْتُلِفَ وَاخْتُلِفَ
إِلَّا مَاذَا يَعُودُ الضَّمِيرُ It's differed upon.
What is the pronoun?
God created Adam on his image.
What is the pronoun?
فَقِيلَ إِلَى آدَمَ It has been said to
Adam, meaning, and by saying he's saying the
whole subject is up for interpretation.
That means nobody should simply say this is
it one way and that's it.
You can say this is what I'm most
convinced by and that's what I teach my
people, my family, and myself, and that's what
my belief is.
Fine, but keep recognized it is up for
shot.
And when we talk to these brothers the
number one issue is, I don't want to
even debate my point, the number one thing
is to debate or to get the point
across the whole subject matter is اجتهادي.
Like group dhikr, I don't even care if
you believe in group dhikr, or mawalid, or
misbahs, or anything.
But you have to admit what I do
care about, you have to admit this is
the subject of discussion.
There's not one way and that's it.
You have massive amounts of scholars on both
sides.
فَقِيلَ إِلَى آدَمَ أَيْ خَلَقَهُ عَلَى سُرَتِهِ الَّتِي
اسْتَمَرَّ عَلَيْهَا إِلَى أَنْ أُهْبِطَ وَإِلَى أَنْ مَتْ
So it's that image, the image that Adam
was created on in the heavens and then
came down with that image and died upon
that image.
دَفْعًا لِتَوَهُمِ مَنْ يَظُنُّ أَنَّهُ لَمَا كَانَ فِي
الْجَنَّةِ كَانَ عَلَى سِفَةٍ أُخْرَى To repel the
false understanding of some people, maybe it was
being said at the time of the Prophet
That he changed his image, that he was
one image in paradise and Allah changed his
image Okay, or his image changed when he
came down to the earth أَوِبْتَدَأَ خَلْقَهُ كَمَا
وُجِدَ لَمْ يَنْتَقِلُ فِي النَّشْأَةِ كَمَا يَنْتَقِلُ وَلَدُهُ
مِنْ حَالَةٍ إِلَى حَالَةٍ And this would be
a refutation to the evolutionist Muslims, which you'd
be out of Islam if you believe that
Adam evolved This is one of the hadiths
that supports that Concept that Adam as is
mentioned in the Quran was created as a
complete human being right as an adult Human
being that means he did not become as
we are a sperm a seed a zygote
or whatever And then he went through the
stages of birth So this hadith is refuting
that element too Okay in its words it
refutes it not that we can't say that
people were we don't know if people were
ever saying anything close to that Uh at
the time, but it could be that they
were saying that he had a different form
in the heaven and a form on the
earth Okay And it has also been said
Well So he says
here that it could be a refutation of
some atheist beliefs Who believed in the eternality
of everything that everything is qadeem that The
only way that a human being can be
created is from the seed of a male
and a female And that it can just
continuously goes back He's saying no allah created
him as he is now as a full
adult So he says and this
is close to It's amazing that ibn hajj
is actually pointing to Very close to an
evolutionary idea here or a naturalist idea here
He says it has been said that it's
a response to the taba iyan the naturalist
who say that the human being Came out
of natural processes So what darwinistic or naturalistic?
Ideas that we have now he's pointing to
that way back in his time ibn hajj
time find this when he died ibn hajj
All right.
So Okay, and then I uh the rest
of it I didn't see but he has
more possibilities 852 hijri, okay 852
after the hijra 1449 so that there is
Ibn hajj and that's what we teach and
that's what we believe Right knowing that it
is It's it's jihad from him Let's take
a look at say Imam and now we
Who's Saying this without any disrespect to the
Legitimate ulama who did say that it does
return to the image of allah ta'ala
and they have their own proofs and they
give different narrations completely And I wish that
This is just the summary because he does
have a ta'wil somewhere else in his
book imam And no, we have to get
that and I have to get him in
hajj later, but this suffices for us, right?
Imam and now he agrees here.
He says this hadith is very clear that
The pronoun goes back to adam God created
adam on his image meaning on the image
that adam was on as a human being
Same image in in as created as an
adult that same image.
He came down to the earth.
He was not created as a child created
as And naturally evolved.
He was not created in any other way
He was created directly as an adult and
upon that same image.
He existed in the heavens.
He came down He didn't change when he
came down Surah He was
created as an adult and he died an
adult he was not created in any of
these other ways and what else And he
was 60 cubits tall He did not grow
as we grow He's created 60 Cubits tall
whatever And he stayed that way He didn't
grow and he didn't go through phases as
we did Which we do we grow tall
and then we start small go tall And
the hadith is pointing to that his image
in paradise is his image on the earth
He did not change the human being in
paradise is not anything different than this Of
course in paradise would be much more perfect
but same concept face arms Those proportions that
we all know That's it And the rest
of the hadith has other elements to it,
but people were asking that question And that
is the answer that we hold on to
and that is authoritative according to many many
many hadith scholars Including here what we just
cited ibn hajjah and nawawi and many aqidah
scholars Teach the same thing All right, we
got to wrap up Subhanak.
Unfortunately, we have to wrap up.
We have a lot of good questions here.
I want to take but we will Close
it at that Was there something else that
we needed to cover real quick?
All right, let's stop here jazakum allah khairun
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