Shadee Elmasry – Alliances and Coalitions – NBF 362

Shadee Elmasry
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The speakers stress the importance of protecting Islam and the need for leaders to assess individual situations. They stress the importance of belief, life, personal property, and physical appearance in society, as well as the importance of marriage contracts and legal reasons for couples. They emphasize the importance of finding a genuine friendship with all Muslims and finding the right person to study. They also touch on the Mahabharata and the importance of not abandoning someone in a situation. Additionally, they emphasize the importance of visualizing rewards and working hard for goals, as well as finding the right person to study.
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Welcome everybody to the Safina Society. Nothing

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but facts livestream

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on a cold, believe it or not.

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First of all, it's cold because the guys

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who hung out here yesterday left their condition

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on. I don't know what to do with

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them. I'm finding them from here on in.

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Like, this is simple remote control, and all

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you have to do is hit the off

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button when you leave. It's happened when you

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have single guys. They don't know these things.

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They don't know how to shut lights. They

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don't know how to clean up. They don't

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know how to shut the air condition off.

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Like, why is it that guys and I

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guess I was one of them too. But

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they're just like bums,

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even the best of them. Right? But girls

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always have their ducks in a row.

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Like, 50% of them, I would say. They

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shut the light off. They tidy up.

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They got it together at a younger age

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than guys. Guys who just stay bums. Right?

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But then they carry huge loads as men,

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if that. Right?

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But that's how it has to be. Anyway,

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I'm just messing around, but they gotta shut

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the air condition off.

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It's driving me nuts. Yeah. Because they're not

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paying for it. That's why.

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They're not paying for it. That's why,

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now you start sounding like your parents. Right?

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You know that insurance commercial? Stop sounding like

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your parents.

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Shut the lights off. Lock the doors.

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What was what what insurance company is that?

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There's an insurance commercial that has that. Okay.

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Masha'Allah, these guys, they don't watch TV.

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Should Muslims have alliances or not? And,

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I've always been against any alliances.

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There happens mainly, maybe, possibly

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there are overlaps

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in one issue maybe.

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But you know what else is funny? I

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think

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who the heck wants to align with Muslim?

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They're so weak.

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You're you're you're just imagining.

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When people talk about the Muslims aligned with

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the left,

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Muslims aligned with the right,

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I tend to think it's mostly an imagination

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because you don't have what what are you

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offering?

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Neither do we have a massive voting block,

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let's say, here in America. England. Yeah. Right?

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Neither do we have a lot of money.

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So is this alliance

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in your head?

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Is it just, like, something you talk about?

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And and the reach is one way. The

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discussion is one way.

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No no one on that side is catering

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and trying to have an alliance with

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with with our community.

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So when we talk about this, I really

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respect an article written by Sheikh Mateen Khan.

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Sheikh Mateen Khan is one of our,

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neighbors in the area. He lives in piss

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he lives in the the town,

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next door, and he teaches Hanafi Fikh, and

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him and I do programs.

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We we've spoken at many programs. We've,

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have the same teachers in the past, like

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Sheikh Amin

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Mohammed is one of our common teachers in

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Akhida.

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And Sheikh Mateen and,

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Sheikh Mateen go way back. Sheikh Amin and

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Sheikh Mateen, I mean. So he says, Islam

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and Muslims have a long history in America

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and are very much part of the legacy

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of the United States. Muslims and non Muslims

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have worked together, lived together, played together. We

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have constructed institutions of peace and have even

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fought wars together.

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Right?

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I would say Muslims have been involved in

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these things more so than

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done it all together, like, as if we're,

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a significant social and political body, which I

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don't think that we are in the United

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States, at least. In England, yeah, maybe.

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This involves collaboration

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who's who's with groups whose values and teachings

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may be in direct opposition to Islamic

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ethics, morality code, Sharia, etcetera.

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So this article attempts to guide Muslim leaders

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at all levels and the general Muslim public

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at large in a direction with which benefits

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the national interest

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and protects

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Islam.

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Alright. Let's take a look at the.

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In general, Muslims and their leaders in particular

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need to be thinkers by assessing and reassessing

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individual situations.

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So the first thing, there are conditions in

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Islam, but ultimately

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the subject matter is.

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When do I make a deal with another

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group of people?

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If the deal

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entails,

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something forbidden in Islam, then we don't need

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a discussion. We know that that's unlawful. Right?

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But if it doesn't,

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but I'm getting cozy with a group that

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does other bad things

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or un Islamic things,

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that's an itchy heady matter. You're really just

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weighing

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right and wrong, and you may have ultimately

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at the the worst case scenario is you

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believe that person is upon a misguided error,

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not sinful.

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Right? You take it to this is an

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error of of judgment, and it could lead

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to harms in the future.

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Speculation.

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That's all speculation.

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Right?

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So he says here that

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we cannot be swept up in the euphoria

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of nationalism

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or anti establishment rhetoric

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by simply following the masses

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or the words of a dynamic speaker.

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After the prophet's migration,

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jurisprudence and state legislation were unified under his

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guidance and the guidance of several Khalifa.

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However, since this time, the 2 have been

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separated. Islamic scholarship is has been engaged in

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a process of risk management and the defense

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of Islam.

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Our main priority as Muslims is to be

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able to live, worship, and live our lives

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in a way pleasing to Allah.

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Alright.

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And every Muslim by necessity believes that Allah

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has guided us solely for our benefit.

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Alright. So the role of Islamic scholarship and

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leadership has been and continues to be charting

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a course that defends normative Islam through constant

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harm benefit analysis.

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And it's been a long time that the

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leaders of the of of of nations

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and Islamic Scholarships who care about the Quran

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have been separate.

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Right? Somebody once asked me recently,

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why is it that all the operate

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by calculation

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if there is, but yet all the,

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all the all the Islamic

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seminaries,

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they all uphold moon sighting.

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Like, by the book,

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the argument

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it it moonsighting is the default,

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and these other ideas are fatawa.

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Right?

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And many, many, many scholars deem these fatawa

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to be

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false fatawa, incorrect fatawa.

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It's a, but it's it could be right

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and wrong, and they deem it to be

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wrong.

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Well, the answer is that Masijid aren't even

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run by even the Masijid are not run

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by scholars. It's crazy.

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Like, their executive power of the the scholarly

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class in the Ummah has shrunk

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so much

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that they do not even run the anymore.

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They may run their Zawiya

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or their institutions

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or their Madadis.

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They don't even run the Masajid.

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Right? And even in Islamic countries, when they

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do, it's with orders.

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So

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whenever Masajid are now run by predominantly run

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by admins administrators.

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They run Masajid, not,

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scholars may have more or less input

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in Masajid, and Sheikh Amin runs his from

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top to bottom.

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I mean, Mohammed in Atlantic City.

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Hamdullah, MBIC gives me a lot of space,

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but, ultimately, the vast majority of

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Masajid are just run by admins.

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An admin, you can't expect him to know

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the difference between a Fethullah and a ruling

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and what what is the dominant opinion of

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the scholars about.

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They're not gonna know that. They they're not

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can't be expected to know that.

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It's like if I ran a hospital.

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Right?

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If I ran a hospital, I've never been

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through and through in the with doctors in

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the field of medicine in a way that

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would

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satisfy another doctor. So I'm gonna make decisions

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that,

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just make sense to me personally,

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and that will send a lot of doc

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it's gonna be pragmatics.

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Docs would be going crazy.

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So whenever

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collaboration with another group is suggested, you have

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to judge

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the harm and the benefit.

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Alright.

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The if there is some formal agreement, that

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formal agreement cannot possess anything forbidden in it.

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I would go even further than that, and

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I would say that it's extremely

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you gotta be extremely cautious even about,

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I'd be extremely cautious even about sentiment

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with these groups.

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Showing favorable sentiment

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to the right or the left or some

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other group.

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If you're a scholar, if you're a leader,

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your one favorable sentiment is gonna sway a

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lot of people. Right?

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And

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then they start to soften towards

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those ideas.

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And I think most people, generally, people in

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general tend to be sort of like one

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group.

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Like, they'll take the whole thing or leave

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the whole thing. Very few people can

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etch out. Yeah. I agree with this, but

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not this. I like what he says here,

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but I'm not like most people don't do

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this. They either accept him or reject.

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So that you gotta keep in mind that

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mentality of of of the people you're talking

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to as well.

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Well. So he says for this, we turn

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to the legal maxim,

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The prevention of harm precedes the attainment of

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benefits.

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This particular maxim is extrapolated among other things

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from the prophetic hadith. If I forbid you

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to do something, then keep away from it.

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If I order you to do something, do

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as much of it as you can.

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It is based on this maxim, for example,

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that Muslims are not permitted to to make

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beneficial changes to their property that might cause

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harm to their neighbor.

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Some benefits me, but harms my neighbor. For

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example, another example of those, I can't lower

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my prices so much

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in order to benefit the community

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in a manner that would put my neighbor

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out of business.

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And then, for example, in the old days,

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you used to have,

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all the juicers in one area, all the

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butchers that makes life easy for everybody if

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they could compare all the meat or they

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compare all the clothes in one area. So

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it's actually

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we're taught in

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that you're not allowed to lower your prices

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even to benefit society the the people

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if that would cause your neighbor to go

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out of business

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even if you just wanna be charitable. So

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that's a halal thing that you're doing that

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looks good on the outside, but it harms

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somebody else.

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Even if it benefits,

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a 100 people in their single transaction of

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buying the meat, but it destroys another person's

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full livelihood and livelihood is over a transaction.

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Right? Livelihood is more important. So

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we don't judge in Islam

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you you're a a thing just by the

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intent

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nor by the immediate image of what it

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is. It's also judged

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by the clear,

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result that it's having.

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Now if the result is speculative and

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we don't know, then that's different but

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it's always good to review this and to

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to to look at these of Elm.

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Alright. So he says we may find

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in the form of oppression

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through biases,

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Alright.

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A, which is to place a thing where

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it doesn't belong. That's a definition of Bulim

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in the Sharia. It is to place a

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thing where it doesn't belong.

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It will be to give one something that

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isn't his or her right. That will be.

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And Allah says in

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the why

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is? Because it's giving an idol

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or a person or the sun or the

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moon

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a a right, which is Allah's right.

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So it's putting something where it doesn't belong.

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Alright.

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He says oppression,

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this is what's strictly and severely forbidden. The

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prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam narrates a hadith could

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see, which means the meaning is from Allah.

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The wording is from the prophet

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memorize that. Hadith could see though

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meaning is from Allah, but the wording is

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from the prophet, peace be upon him. That's

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why Hadith Qudsi sounds a little bit different

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from,

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hadith which sounds a little bit different from

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had no. Quran. We're very different from Quran.

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My servants, I have made oppression unlawful for

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me and unlawful for you, so do not

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commit oppression against one another.

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So Allah has forbade oppression upon himself. And

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what is oppression? Oppression is not inequality. Remember,

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the law of this world

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is Allah creates

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things with different proportions

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with the wisdom. That's the law of

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this

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world.

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If I got that right. It's a saying,

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which means when Allah gives,

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he gives,

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everyone in different proportion.

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You're taller than this person. You're wider than

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this person. You're smarter than this person. You

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had better parents than this person. You got

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a different,

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you're born in a different country. You're born

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in a different era.

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You have this kind of nose, then that's

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gonna affect your life, these things. Each one

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of these little things affects your life. We

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can't deny that.

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You're born to a parent who knows how

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to parent well. You're born to a parent

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who doesn't know how to parent well. You're

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born with no siblings. You're born with 5

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siblings.

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You got 4 brothers. You're gonna lot know

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a lot more than a guy with no

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brothers. Right?

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So

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so on and so forth. You're the last

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child of the family, so you get away

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with murder. You're the first child of family.

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If you don't make your bed, you get

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slaughtered.

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Isn't that how it is? Right?

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So

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at

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ata of Allah should not be confused with

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justice.

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Justice means you don't do anything good

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without getting a reward. Either reward with love,

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that's for the believers, or compensation

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in this world with no love. Compensation is

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no. Let you pay a plumber.

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That's it. We're not friends. You came, you

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fix the toilet, I give you $90. That's

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it. You leave. We don't see you again.

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You don't text me hello. I don't text

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you hello. We have no relationship beyond this

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transaction. This is how Allah compensates non believers.

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What did you do? I fed a 1000000

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people. Okay. We will we will compensate you

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the value of feeding a 1000000 people as

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a kafir.

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Right? Yeah. We'll put statues, they'll name libraries

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after you, they'll name streets after you, and

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they'll name elementary schools after you, etcetera.

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That's your reward.

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Another one is.

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He gives Allah his rights. He gets his

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reward in this life and or the next.

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That's love. So,

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also, no one oppresses anybody in this world,

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not even animals, except that there's redress. That's

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the second portion of justice. There has to

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be redress.

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The redress even the prophet said if a

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goat hits another goat but one had one

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horn, one had two horns. So that's oppression.

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Even though

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animals have no moral,

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they have no moral, there's no morality for

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animals. There's no right and wrong. There's no

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bad animal, good animal.

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But, nonetheless,

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the result was an unfair fight between the

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rims. And you know when these rams hit

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each other

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is the mate during mating season, which is

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2 weeks

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of mating with

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all the female you.

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But who gets that flock?

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They're gonna ram each other,

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and whoever

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is in get loses leaves.

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So if during the year, your flock, you

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got a flock and you lost a a

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a a a horn for some reason.

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Next year comes around, a nice young

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ram is gonna come in and smash you.

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You're gonna lose. You lost your flock. That

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wasn't fair for you. So Allah Ta'ada recreates

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them in the opposite, and he says ram

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one another in the opposite.

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So

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even the animals who have no morality to

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them, there's no wicked and mean animal or

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bad animal.

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Even them, everything has to be even.

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Speaking of justice, did you water all 3

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plants?

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Good.

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Some are volunteers. I gotta put them to

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work.

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Anything else that needs to be done here?

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Any

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odd jobs that we don't wanna do?

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We'll think of something.

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Keep these kids sweating.

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Mhmm.

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Next,

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he says, in collaborating, we may benefit in

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the form of increased security, peace, well-being,

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freedom to practice our religion. This is the

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number 1. Maslaha in the Islamic terminology refers

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to what provides benefit and is consistent with

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the objectives of the Sharia.

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These objectives are extracted

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from the totality of the Quran and the

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sunnah and referred to in order of importance,

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protection of one's

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Islam, life, intellect, progeny, and property.

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The 5

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purposes that Sharia comes to preserve.

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Number 1 is belief, iman. Number 2 is

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life. Number 2 is your personal property.

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Number 3 is your intellect, actually, before that.

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And number 5 is your progeny

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so that every child has the right to

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be born to a mom and dad, and

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he knows who they are, and they were

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born in marriage. They

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they they had the child through marriage.

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That's his hock. And we need to know

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in society whose kid is who.

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We have to know this. Whose kid is

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who?

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Who's gonna take care of them? Right? We

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need to know whose kid is who. That's

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why friends don't need to get married. Friends

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never get married.

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It's because nothing will come out of us

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that needs to be taken care of financially.

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But what happens if me and you open

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a business?

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We have to have a contract.

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Right? We can't wing it.

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Me and you, let's start,

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growing oranges and selling orange juice. No contract.

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Can't do that. Gotta have an agreement. Could

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be oral, have to have witnesses, should be

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written,

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but you have to have a contract. So

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once there is a financial gain or loss,

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right, now we need to have a a

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contract.

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So, likewise, marriage has to have a contract.

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Right? Because when a man and woman come

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together, you're gonna produce something that society needs

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to that needs to be taken care of.

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Society needs to know. That's one of the

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many wisdoms

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of having marriage contracts.

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So the left,

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because they spew this ant their their their

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this

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sexual deviance,

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They're extremely light with criminals.

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They're

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totally permissive about drugs, and they wanna make

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lawful all these drugs.

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Right?

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And they've stunk up the city. Seriously, you

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go to New York these days, you just

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can't even walk. Did you go recently?

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No. But, sometimes

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the one to the Literally, what did you

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guys do to New York City? This place

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stinks.

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Right? Even people who smoke weed think it

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stinks. Right? Everyone thinks it stinks. Do you

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have a question? Yeah. I've been, like, an

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article saying that because of the smoke weed

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Everyone thinks it stinks. Do you have a

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question? Yeah. I read, like, an article saying

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that because of the smoke or something, when

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you walk in New York City, it's, like,

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7 times worse than actually smoking. It's terrible.

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Secondhand smoke probably is worse. Who knows?

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But because the left are into that and

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their generally appearance is very odd, the now

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the more woke they get with their

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just their appearance is just not fitly related.

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Blue air, multiple

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or, piercings everywhere, tattoos everywhere, and people just

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tend not to

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if you're if you're a Muslim with a

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family, you tend not to go that route.

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So that's sorta obvious. Yet again, on the

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flip side, they're the biggest

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the progress the more progressive, the more pro

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Palestine, and the more bold they are in

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breaking up the American Israeli alliance. Right? Now

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you go to the other side,

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they are the biggest Zionist, the biggest Israelis,

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and there was a brother who published a

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list of

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anti Zionist,

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right right wing,

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individuals.

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The the dissident right, they call it.

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Yeah. They're anti Zionist, but I think both

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the the the right

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and the and the far right dissidents,

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all of them

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have equal views towards Islam.

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So how am I gaining?

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Right. How am I gaining? They are tend

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to be pro family and they're pro Christian,

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but the pro Christian element of it

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and the pro European and white element of

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it is gonna render them

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fully against Muslims. So I don't this sort

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of an imagination that there may be a

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potential that some of people on the right

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have a lukewarm spot for Islam and Muslims.

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I I personally don't see it.

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So we end up being, as the Quran

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says,

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between blood and and and feces,

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like in the stomach of the the the

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utter

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of the cow

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is between where the blood is and where

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the feces are.

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Pure milk comes out of that. So we're

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sorta like that. We're between

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2 groups that

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each one of them may have something that

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we

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agree with

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and a whole bunch of things that we

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don't. So I don't see there where there's

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any alliance to either side. Sheikh Abdullah bin

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Hamid Adi will disagree with that. He holds

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that the right there is potential of alliance

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with the right.

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I didn't see how he would respond to

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those,

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to what I just said about the right,

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but,

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I'm sure he has an educated opinion. He's

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a very smart person

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if you ask me.

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I'm sure he has his opinion on that.

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But, nonetheless,

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I don't see, especially after October 7th, any

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any,

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bridge building

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with how Zionist the right has become. And

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the the dissident right, the Nick Fuentes types,

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do you think that he wants Muslims around?

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Right? This season, like, these are ideologues.

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It's fun to watch them attack the the

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left. That, I enjoy.

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Right? I enjoy them attacking the left and

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the and the Wilks, but it stops there.

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He says here now he his

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next step is after you ensure that the

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sharia has not violated in any agreement that

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you make, you have to check the collaboration.

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The intent as Muslims is Allah's pleasure today

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in America where they were non Muslims while

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fulfilling the rights suits them as neighbors,

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etcetera.

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And the prophet

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had the pact of the virtuous. He

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was sit in a situation where people were

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being oppressed,

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and the prophet, salaihi salam,

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said he would have joined this pact,

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in which,

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while reminiscing one day, the prophet spoke of.

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He praised the pact and announced that had

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the same situation, an agreement

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in joining a common

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shared with non Muslims. Come up today, he

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would join it readily. Notice, he said he

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would join the pact, not the people.

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He would sign that pact. He didn't say

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I would ally with the.

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I would sign that pact, a pact that,

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no person can come and trade with us

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and get ripped off. He said he signed

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the pact, not ally with those people. Keep

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that in mind. It's a big difference.

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Not only is there no issue with Muslims

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joining non Muslims for shared causes,

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such as eradicating poverty or safe havens for

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abused women, it may be recommended or communal

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obligation based on the situation.

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The contention lies when due to our small

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numbers, weakness, and other deficiencies,

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most of Americans often find themselves in need

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of collaborating with other groups who may hold

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ideas antithetical to Islamic morality.

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Groups may exist primarily to further another belief

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or lifestyle

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considered sinful. Not only that, let's talk about

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when the left is supporting Palestine, they're supporting

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it on a nationalistic basis.

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Right? So, yeah, the the not killing, we

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all agree on. That's fine. That's good. But,

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like, what is what would their vision be?

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Like, it's a purely nationalistic vision. Had nothing

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to do with

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at that point, we haven't we have no

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commonality. They would support a secular liberal

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Palestine Palestinian state. So aside from Zionists gotta

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stop what they're doing,

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right after that, there's a fork in the

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road.

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And that fork would they would be completely

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antithetical

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to what

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Islam and what Muslims would hold,

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for the for that land and the Palestinians

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themselves.

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Palestinians themselves

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are mostly very religious

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people,

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although their political parties,

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they did have in the past very secular

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political parties.

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They had in the past very secular,

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22 secular groups.

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And then the there was an Islamic group,

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and then there is now Hamas.

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Can we collaborate with such people? What are

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the conditions? Before we get into this discussion

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further, behooves us to first review

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the Islamic injunction against helping another

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in disobedience.

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Near the end of Surah Al Mah, the

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2nd ayah of Al Mah'ida, Allah says,

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Help one another towards virtue and towards fear

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of Allah and do not help one one

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another in sins and in aggression.

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From the first part of the quoted line,

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we may work with people to assist in

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virtuousness,

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but the latter part strongly warns against assisting

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people in sins.

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Cannot do this.

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You cannot even increase the popularity of somebody

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who calls to these things. It's called.

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You have to be careful of this.

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So you may

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inadvertently

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or intentionally

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give some lend someone some support or some

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favorable

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or just silence

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would be enough

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for which is the idea of increasing their

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popularity.

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You're not allowed to do this. So one

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example of that is if there is a

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a type of person who's

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calling to something sinful and unlawful in our

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religion

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and you're cozying up with them, you didn't

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say anything. You didn't come up, but you're

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hanging out with

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them. Right? You're

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the common person might say, oh, he has

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that view to him, then they must be

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good.

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And and therefore, their popularity increases. You helped

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boost them.

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Can't do this. It's forbidden to do this.

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I'm gonna read really quickly because we have

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a special guest today, folks.

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We have a very special guest in the

00:27:43 --> 00:27:44

house today

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who is

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a man who's made many films,

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many successful

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documentary movies. We're gonna interview him today.

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Very quickly. The prophet peace be upon him.

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The one who directs towards sin is just

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as the one who commits it, the prophet

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peace be upon him said,

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right?

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The one who directs towards evil is as

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one who commits it. Same thing.

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Where are,

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Allah on the day of judgment, a caller

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will cry, says the prophet. Where are those

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who disobeyed Allah? Where are those who followed

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them? Where are those who assisted them?

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And then pen and ink is there to

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document everything. So keep this very,

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close to your heart when you're thinking about

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this.

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And then he gives examples of where Muslims

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did have collaboration with non Muslims.

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Okay.

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And we'll read those later words today. But

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first, we will

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turn to our guests.

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We ready,

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Omar? Yes, sir. We are. Alright.

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Bismillah, Rahman Rahim, we have a

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guest today

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who has a very special place in our

00:29:02 --> 00:29:03

Islamic community.

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Very, very few people have done what he's

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done. He has produced

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a number a number of documentary films

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and spread them across the country.

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He's produced The Sultan and Saint. He's produced

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Nadia's Ramadan, enemy of the Reich, my fellow

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American.

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Inside Islam, What a Billion Muslims Really Think.

00:29:24 --> 00:29:27

Talking Through Walls, Prince Among Slaves was one

00:29:27 --> 00:29:29

of the most successful films that were produced.

00:29:29 --> 00:29:32

City of Light, The Rise and Fall of

00:29:32 --> 00:29:34

Islamic Spain, and one of the most popular

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ones that made it to PBS, Muhammad,

00:29:36 --> 00:29:37

legacy

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of a prophet. These are all UPF,

00:29:41 --> 00:29:43

productions, and our guest today is Alex Kronemer

00:29:43 --> 00:29:44

out of Virginia.

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Welcome to the nothing but facts livestream.

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Thanks for having me. It's our pleasure to

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have you, and let's,

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get straight into this. When you came in

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to Islam as a convert, there was nothing

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close

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to any kind of production that you could

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show

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your family, for example,

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or that you could show your neighbor, or

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that you would be generally proud of to

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watch yourself.

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Can you talk talk to us a little

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bit at that time when you came into

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Islam? What was the vibe like? What was

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the scene like,

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at that time?

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Yeah. Well, that's a very interesting question, and

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it's a long story. But,

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the short version of the story is,

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I did you know, I didn't,

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I was relatively indifferent to Islam before I

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was exposed to it. I didn't think about

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it really one way or the other.

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If I had any

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impression of Islam at all, it was through

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the Iranian hostage crisis. That was so it

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was kind of like I just had a

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sense of vibe of of it being sort

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of an anti American,

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you know, burn the flame kind of, kind

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of thing, but didn't have much,

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other feelings about it or, or sense of

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how Islam was perceived in America.

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When, when I became a Muslim,

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I was surprised

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to encounter so much hostility to my conversion,

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from family

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and, and friends and, and strangers.

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And it kind of all came to a

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head after, I was married and,

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was leaving the mosque with my 1 year

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old son

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in a stroller,

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and a car rolls slowly by,

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and a,

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this guy looks out white guy like me

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looks out the window, and and I think

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he wants directions or something. And he just

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yells, go back to where you come from.

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Drives

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off, which,

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was puzzling.

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But,

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but I think in part, because I had

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my son, this baby with me, it really

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hit me hard

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of how much

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antipathy there was towards Muslims.

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And,

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you know, rewinding back to what I just

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said earlier,

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If I was being honest with myself, I

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could have been that guy in the car.

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Mhmm.

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And and I and I recognize that

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what we call there's not like

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anti Islamic feelings are not baked into the

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DNA of America as they are in some

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European countries,

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but they're not

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in America. What the what the issue was

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and still is to a large degree

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is,

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ignorance. People just not knowing,

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what who Muslims are, what Islam really is,

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etcetera, etcetera.

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And so that was when I first started

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doing this work, where initially it was I

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was doing lectures as a public speaker.

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And that

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work took me to,

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an event in Saudi Arabia.

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Mhmm. And when I returned from the event,

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when I was on an airplane flying back,

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I was sitting next to this other white

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guy who turns out to be a Muslim

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too, which was, like, like, shocking because I

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thought I was the only white Muslim in

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the entire world.

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And,

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turns out his name is Michael Wolf, and

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he had written a book,

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recently about the Hajj, 1 American Muslims pilgrimage

00:33:05 --> 00:33:07

to Mecca. Mhmm. And he shared so many

00:33:07 --> 00:33:09

things in common in terms of

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the reaction people had

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to our becoming Muslim, the

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our desire to try to,

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inform people who Islam,

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who Muslims are, and what Islam is.

00:33:20 --> 00:33:22

And that was when we

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kind of bonded together

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to start to make documentaries

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that could reach mass audiences.

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When I did my public speaking, I might

00:33:30 --> 00:33:33

speak to a 100, 200, 300 people. Mhmm.

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My books might be read by a few

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1,000, but it felt like there wasn't gonna

00:33:37 --> 00:33:37

be change,

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on that scale. If we're really gonna provide

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information and understanding,

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we had to do it on a massive

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scale, and that's how,

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the film work began.

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So you're from Virginia. Are you from the

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southern part of Virginia? Or No. I'm not

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from Virginia, actually. I'm rich originally from Pennsylvania.

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Pennsylvania. Okay. Which part?

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Near Pittsburgh.

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Okay. So that's the Kentucky part of it.

00:34:02 --> 00:34:04

Right? That's the Kentucky part of it. Yeah.

00:34:04 --> 00:34:05

So for those list

00:34:05 --> 00:34:08

for those listening from England, pens Pennsylvania,

00:34:09 --> 00:34:11

is, a neighbor state to New Jersey, but

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it's huge,

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and it goes out west. And once you

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pass

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Philadelphia

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is,

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I would say, sort of cosmopolitan.

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Right? But then after outside of Philadelphia,

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it does get into the rural parts of

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the country, which is very pretty and the

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people are really nice, but they also as

00:34:29 --> 00:34:31

any rural area in any country,

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when they don't see a lot of,

00:34:34 --> 00:34:36

other people, they tend to have judgments,

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and there's no,

00:34:38 --> 00:34:40

kickback against those judgments. Like, if you go

00:34:40 --> 00:34:42

to Egypt and you go to the, the

00:34:42 --> 00:34:44

the farmlands of Egypt, it's the same thing.

00:34:44 --> 00:34:45

People who don't mix,

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they're easily form

00:34:47 --> 00:34:49

negative attitudes towards people.

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And there's no reaction to that because they

00:34:52 --> 00:34:54

don't mingle with those people. So it's not

00:34:54 --> 00:34:55

that those people are bad. It's that the

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it's just that,

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they never have a give and take.

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So their opinions are what people are not

00:35:01 --> 00:35:03

refined. I mean, I would add that it's

00:35:03 --> 00:35:06

I don't think you even develop negative feelings.

00:35:06 --> 00:35:07

You just don't think about other people.

00:35:08 --> 00:35:09

I mean, you you you think I mean,

00:35:09 --> 00:35:11

it's very interesting because

00:35:11 --> 00:35:13

in my town, there were,

00:35:14 --> 00:35:15

great religious

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divisions in my town. Mhmm. They weren't

00:35:18 --> 00:35:21

Christian, Muslim, Christian, Jewish. They were Christian, Christian.

00:35:21 --> 00:35:23

Mhmm. They were the orthodox

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and,

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commute there's a lot of Orthodox churches in

00:35:26 --> 00:35:27

my area.

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Yeah. Then there were the Catholic churches in

00:35:29 --> 00:35:31

my area. Then there was, at that time,

00:35:31 --> 00:35:33

what we now call evangelical,

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but that was just sort of beginning beginning

00:35:35 --> 00:35:37

to heat up. So there's evangelical Protestants who

00:35:37 --> 00:35:40

rejected both of them. Yeah. So I actually

00:35:40 --> 00:35:42

we talked about the clash of civilization. I

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kind of grew up in a clash of

00:35:43 --> 00:35:45

civilizations, but it wasn't

00:35:45 --> 00:35:48

between Muslims and others. It was it was

00:35:48 --> 00:35:51

within the Christian community. I never even thought

00:35:51 --> 00:35:51

about Muslims

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or Hindus

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or just name any religion. That was never

00:35:56 --> 00:35:58

even on my radar. Yeah. So it isn't

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I I it isn't just these more rural

00:36:01 --> 00:36:02

or provincial areas breed

00:36:03 --> 00:36:05

hostility. They just breed ignorance. Mhmm.

00:36:06 --> 00:36:07

And what about,

00:36:07 --> 00:36:09

if I can ask you a personal question?

00:36:09 --> 00:36:11

So if you're from that environment,

00:36:13 --> 00:36:15

how did you even cross paths with Islam?

00:36:15 --> 00:36:17

We're talking an era that's

00:36:17 --> 00:36:19

well ahead of the Internet

00:36:20 --> 00:36:23

interaction with different cultures and ideas.

00:36:23 --> 00:36:26

It, it doesn't happen automatically the way it

00:36:26 --> 00:36:28

does today. And if you want it to

00:36:28 --> 00:36:29

happen, it's not easy

00:36:30 --> 00:36:31

the way it is today.

00:36:32 --> 00:36:34

So how did you end up even crossing

00:36:34 --> 00:36:35

paths with this story?

00:36:37 --> 00:36:39

So that story begins basically my early childhood.

00:36:39 --> 00:36:40

My mother

00:36:41 --> 00:36:42

was Christian. My father was Jewish.

00:36:43 --> 00:36:44

And

00:36:44 --> 00:36:44

they

00:36:45 --> 00:36:47

thought about my earliest memories of life of

00:36:47 --> 00:36:49

them fighting about religion. Was I gonna be

00:36:49 --> 00:36:51

raised Jewish or raised Christian?

00:36:51 --> 00:36:53

And due to that and other reasons, they

00:36:53 --> 00:36:55

got divorced when I was only 4 or

00:36:55 --> 00:36:56

5.

00:36:56 --> 00:36:59

I had been raised Jewish or was intended

00:36:59 --> 00:37:00

to be raised Jewish

00:37:01 --> 00:37:03

up until that period. And then after that,

00:37:03 --> 00:37:06

I was I can remember being, you know,

00:37:06 --> 00:37:08

6 or 7 whereas babies are baptized, I

00:37:08 --> 00:37:09

was then baptized,

00:37:09 --> 00:37:11

and then was in a Christian

00:37:11 --> 00:37:12

environment.

00:37:12 --> 00:37:14

So from an early age, I had this

00:37:14 --> 00:37:14

sense of,

00:37:15 --> 00:37:18

kind of the randomness in a way of

00:37:18 --> 00:37:20

how you end up one religion or the

00:37:20 --> 00:37:21

other. And then in this Christian

00:37:21 --> 00:37:22

mindset,

00:37:23 --> 00:37:25

encountering, as I said, this sort of Christian

00:37:25 --> 00:37:27

hostility to one another

00:37:27 --> 00:37:29

made an impression on me. And so by

00:37:29 --> 00:37:31

the time I got to college,

00:37:31 --> 00:37:34

I was done with religion entirely. In fact,

00:37:34 --> 00:37:34

I I became

00:37:35 --> 00:37:36

I would call an evangelical

00:37:36 --> 00:37:38

atheist. I was I was,

00:37:39 --> 00:37:42

very hostile to religious belief and and religious

00:37:42 --> 00:37:43

people.

00:37:44 --> 00:37:47

And that was that that marked my intellectual

00:37:47 --> 00:37:47

life

00:37:48 --> 00:37:51

through college, but my emotional life was still

00:37:51 --> 00:37:53

very much connected to,

00:37:55 --> 00:37:56

for lack of a better word, a desire

00:37:56 --> 00:37:59

to be to draw close to the divine,

00:37:59 --> 00:38:00

however that was gonna be defined.

00:38:02 --> 00:38:03

I was not a good atheist

00:38:04 --> 00:38:06

because my heart wasn't in it. My head

00:38:06 --> 00:38:07

was in it, but my heart wasn't in

00:38:07 --> 00:38:10

it. So by the time I was out

00:38:10 --> 00:38:10

of call

00:38:11 --> 00:38:11

ending college,

00:38:12 --> 00:38:14

I just decided that I needed to

00:38:15 --> 00:38:17

I would study economics, international relations, but I

00:38:17 --> 00:38:19

needed to stop for a moment

00:38:20 --> 00:38:22

and really explore this rigorously.

00:38:22 --> 00:38:24

And so I went to Harvard Divinity School

00:38:24 --> 00:38:26

to study comparative religion, which is what I

00:38:26 --> 00:38:27

was doing.

00:38:28 --> 00:38:29

When

00:38:31 --> 00:38:31

I

00:38:32 --> 00:38:34

did very early on, I just realized, you

00:38:34 --> 00:38:35

know,

00:38:35 --> 00:38:37

great. I'm studying these things,

00:38:37 --> 00:38:39

through books. I'm having these interesting conversations with

00:38:39 --> 00:38:40

people.

00:38:40 --> 00:38:42

But, again, it's the heart thing. And I

00:38:42 --> 00:38:44

started going to various

00:38:44 --> 00:38:45

places of worship,

00:38:45 --> 00:38:46

churches

00:38:47 --> 00:38:47

and synagogues,

00:38:48 --> 00:38:49

even,

00:38:49 --> 00:38:51

I went to a Hare Krishna center once,

00:38:52 --> 00:38:54

but I hadn't gone to any any,

00:38:55 --> 00:38:55

mosque.

00:38:56 --> 00:38:58

And, again, as I said, my impressions of

00:38:58 --> 00:39:00

Islam have been formed by

00:39:01 --> 00:39:04

the Iranian hostage crisis. And so I felt

00:39:04 --> 00:39:04

like,

00:39:06 --> 00:39:08

you know, going into a mosque, I would

00:39:08 --> 00:39:09

be greeted with a great deal of hostility.

00:39:10 --> 00:39:11

But,

00:39:11 --> 00:39:14

I kinda convinced myself that I should

00:39:15 --> 00:39:15

try

00:39:16 --> 00:39:18

and just, you know, see what happens. And

00:39:18 --> 00:39:20

so I I went,

00:39:21 --> 00:39:21

and,

00:39:22 --> 00:39:23

this is in Boston.

00:39:24 --> 00:39:26

There's a lot of mosques in Boston now,

00:39:26 --> 00:39:27

but at least at that time, we're talking

00:39:27 --> 00:39:29

about 40 years ago at this point.

00:39:29 --> 00:39:31

The only one that I knew of, the

00:39:31 --> 00:39:32

only one I think there was actually was

00:39:32 --> 00:39:34

in that little town outside of Boston called

00:39:34 --> 00:39:36

Quincy Quincy, Massachusetts.

00:39:36 --> 00:39:38

So I took a bus there. It was

00:39:38 --> 00:39:40

Ramadan. I I I know that.

00:39:40 --> 00:39:41

And,

00:39:41 --> 00:39:43

I always remember I when I got to

00:39:43 --> 00:39:44

the door, I was really scared. And when

00:39:44 --> 00:39:46

I got to the door and I sort

00:39:46 --> 00:39:46

of,

00:39:47 --> 00:39:49

you know, straightened my shoulders and went to

00:39:49 --> 00:39:51

go straight in the sky, immediately stops me.

00:39:51 --> 00:39:52

He tells me to take off my shoes.

00:39:52 --> 00:39:54

Mhmm. My first thought was, oh my god.

00:39:54 --> 00:39:55

I'm being rocked right here.

00:39:57 --> 00:39:59

From. But, anyway, I took my shoes,

00:40:00 --> 00:40:02

went in, and I found this deep dark

00:40:02 --> 00:40:05

corner to hide in. And I slid it

00:40:05 --> 00:40:06

down and I just

00:40:07 --> 00:40:08

was there feeling very uptight

00:40:09 --> 00:40:10

and thinking, okay,

00:40:11 --> 00:40:12

noticing things that seem strange to me, like

00:40:12 --> 00:40:14

there's nowhere to sit, people are on the

00:40:14 --> 00:40:16

floor, that seemed really odd to me.

00:40:17 --> 00:40:20

And this was like sort of before the

00:40:20 --> 00:40:22

break of the fast. So people were coming

00:40:22 --> 00:40:23

in and doing some of the prayer and

00:40:23 --> 00:40:25

and and I was just watching it. And

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I remember thinking, okay, I gotta stay for

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about 30 minutes, and then I'll I could

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say I've been in a mosque, and I've

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done that. Check that off.

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And I was watching our clock, and it

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did the, you know, the minute hand was

00:40:37 --> 00:40:39

drawing near to 30 minutes when suddenly his

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door opens up

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inside the mosque. This guy comes out. I

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hear the call for prayer at Huakbar, and

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he's this this guy coming out, and he's

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I my first thought is looks like he

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has a Xerox box,

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top. And my first thought was that he's

00:40:53 --> 00:40:55

collecting the Muslim ID cards. And I was

00:40:55 --> 00:40:56

like, oh god. You know? So I kinda

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slumped a little more deeply into that corner.

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And,

00:41:01 --> 00:41:01

of course,

00:41:02 --> 00:41:04

he wasn't collecting ID cards. He was handing

00:41:04 --> 00:41:05

out dates.

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And I I had no idea what this

00:41:08 --> 00:41:10

was. And I was doing such a good

00:41:10 --> 00:41:12

job of hiding that he passed me right

00:41:12 --> 00:41:13

by. He didn't see me.

00:41:14 --> 00:41:15

But after he had gone and gave him

00:41:15 --> 00:41:17

dates to a man about 5 feet from

00:41:17 --> 00:41:19

me, I was trying to say what was

00:41:19 --> 00:41:21

it that was in this guy's hand. And

00:41:21 --> 00:41:22

I always remember this guy

00:41:22 --> 00:41:24

met my eyes, saw that I was pointed

00:41:24 --> 00:41:25

to his two dates,

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and I saw his eyes point to my

00:41:27 --> 00:41:29

hands, which were empty. He took one date,

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and he handed it to me.

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And

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I was really that gesture really stunned me

00:41:35 --> 00:41:38

because, I mean, here's a guy this is,

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you know,

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Ramadan's in the summer. You know? This is

00:41:40 --> 00:41:43

a hot day. He's not eaten or drank

00:41:43 --> 00:41:44

anything all day.

00:41:45 --> 00:41:47

He's just given me one of his two

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dates because I had none.

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I'm not anyone he knows, I'm not even

00:41:51 --> 00:41:52

Muslim.

00:41:52 --> 00:41:54

And I realized at that point that there

00:41:54 --> 00:41:56

was a spirit of generosity in Islam that

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I had no idea was there.

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And it made me

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want to suddenly

00:42:03 --> 00:42:05

know what is this religion.

00:42:05 --> 00:42:07

And I went after

00:42:07 --> 00:42:08

the the the

00:42:10 --> 00:42:11

prayer was over,

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which I watched,

00:42:13 --> 00:42:15

went back, and I got a Quran. And

00:42:15 --> 00:42:17

keeping in mind, my my Jewish father,

00:42:18 --> 00:42:20

it was a great kind of hostility when

00:42:20 --> 00:42:22

the when the divorce finally happened. And I

00:42:22 --> 00:42:24

remember one of the things my father and

00:42:24 --> 00:42:25

I never really saw my father after the

00:42:25 --> 00:42:26

divorce.

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And I remember one of the things that

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my father said was and he kinda kinda

00:42:29 --> 00:42:30

like pointed his finger in his my face,

00:42:30 --> 00:42:31

and he was like,

00:42:32 --> 00:42:33

you can believe

00:42:33 --> 00:42:35

in Abraham and Noah

00:42:35 --> 00:42:38

and Moses, but not Jesus. Of course, my

00:42:38 --> 00:42:40

Christian mother wanted me to believe in Jesus.

00:42:41 --> 00:42:43

And that was one of the divisions that

00:42:43 --> 00:42:45

I had inside my heart. Mhmm. I opened

00:42:45 --> 00:42:46

up the Quran and, oh my god, there's

00:42:46 --> 00:42:49

Abraham and there's Moses. There's Noah. All the

00:42:49 --> 00:42:51

things my father had mentioned. And then I

00:42:51 --> 00:42:53

turned to a chapter and see here's Mary

00:42:54 --> 00:42:57

and there's Jesus, right? And suddenly, you know,

00:42:57 --> 00:42:59

we are often as Muslims say, Islam means

00:42:59 --> 00:43:00

peace.

00:43:00 --> 00:43:02

But for me, it was real. It was

00:43:02 --> 00:43:05

like the first time I felt internally at

00:43:05 --> 00:43:06

peace

00:43:07 --> 00:43:09

that here was a religion that brought together

00:43:10 --> 00:43:11

these two faiths.

00:43:12 --> 00:43:13

And,

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and also from my atheistic period,

00:43:17 --> 00:43:18

appeal to me too. I mean, like, god

00:43:18 --> 00:43:20

wasn't a guy with a beard, you know,

00:43:20 --> 00:43:22

was more you know, couldn't define god and

00:43:22 --> 00:43:24

all that, which was a much more appealing,

00:43:24 --> 00:43:26

unbelievable idea to me,

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than what I had been fed as a

00:43:28 --> 00:43:29

as a child.

00:43:29 --> 00:43:30

So

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that was it.

00:43:32 --> 00:43:34

After after not very much

00:43:35 --> 00:43:37

more time, maybe a month or 2,

00:43:37 --> 00:43:39

I decided that I was gonna become a

00:43:39 --> 00:43:41

Muslim. So I went back to the mosque

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and I did my Shahada.

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And,

00:43:45 --> 00:43:47

and I really, you know, I really hadn't

00:43:48 --> 00:43:50

I really didn't know much about Islam yet.

00:43:50 --> 00:43:52

I mean, I just knew the basics, but

00:43:52 --> 00:43:53

it was enough.

00:43:53 --> 00:43:56

And I guess you might say, spiritually or

00:43:56 --> 00:43:57

emotionally, I was a bit of a drowning

00:43:57 --> 00:43:58

man at that point. So,

00:43:59 --> 00:44:00

all I knew was there had been a

00:44:00 --> 00:44:03

life preserver thrown in my direction. I just

00:44:03 --> 00:44:04

grabbed onto it. It's a problem.

00:44:05 --> 00:44:05

And,

00:44:06 --> 00:44:07

but I'll tell you a funny story.

00:44:09 --> 00:44:10

Or maybe it's not so funny, but something

00:44:10 --> 00:44:11

that's like a

00:44:12 --> 00:44:14

cautionary tale that I like to mention them

00:44:14 --> 00:44:16

to particularly when I'm doing a talk in

00:44:16 --> 00:44:18

in mosques and so forth, where everyone always

00:44:18 --> 00:44:21

celebrates, oh, you know, we've had 3 people,

00:44:21 --> 00:44:23

you know, embrace Islam this month and all

00:44:23 --> 00:44:24

this kind of stuff.

00:44:26 --> 00:44:27

The problem is

00:44:27 --> 00:44:29

there's not support for

00:44:29 --> 00:44:29

young

00:44:30 --> 00:44:31

for Muslim converts.

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At least there wasn't for me.

00:44:34 --> 00:44:36

And and, you know, you you you do

00:44:36 --> 00:44:37

this and you

00:44:37 --> 00:44:38

you you immediately have

00:44:39 --> 00:44:41

family who's against what you're doing. You you

00:44:41 --> 00:44:43

immediately experience a lot of negativity, and

00:44:46 --> 00:44:49

you experience negativity for other Muslims. Mhmm. And

00:44:49 --> 00:44:50

I remember

00:44:50 --> 00:44:51

back in Quincy mosque,

00:44:52 --> 00:44:55

my you know, after becoming a Muslim,

00:44:55 --> 00:44:57

my first Friday prayer,

00:44:59 --> 00:45:00

and I barely knew how to pray.

00:45:01 --> 00:45:02

And when it was over,

00:45:02 --> 00:45:05

this guy grabbed me from behind, turned me

00:45:05 --> 00:45:06

around,

00:45:06 --> 00:45:08

and started telling me all the ways that

00:45:08 --> 00:45:10

I invalidated my prayer because I looked this

00:45:10 --> 00:45:12

way and I'd done all this. And then

00:45:12 --> 00:45:14

and then and then I, I said, well,

00:45:14 --> 00:45:15

you know, I've just become a Muslim thinking

00:45:15 --> 00:45:17

that that would make him

00:45:17 --> 00:45:19

back off or or at least be happy.

00:45:19 --> 00:45:21

Mhmm. But it it made him more aggravated.

00:45:21 --> 00:45:22

And

00:45:22 --> 00:45:24

he he himself out. You know, have you

00:45:24 --> 00:45:26

have you how much of the Quran have

00:45:26 --> 00:45:27

you memorized and how much of this and

00:45:27 --> 00:45:29

where's your Kufi cap and where's it this

00:45:29 --> 00:45:31

and what's your name? And it really was,

00:45:33 --> 00:45:35

it it's it frightened me, to be honest

00:45:35 --> 00:45:37

with you. It frightened me not from the

00:45:37 --> 00:45:39

point of view of like, wow, I really

00:45:39 --> 00:45:39

don't know anything.

00:45:40 --> 00:45:42

And I didn't go back to a mosque

00:45:42 --> 00:45:44

for another year or 2. Wow.

00:45:45 --> 00:45:47

And and at least in my case,

00:45:47 --> 00:45:49

I I was still

00:45:49 --> 00:45:53

I that initial grasping on held me to

00:45:53 --> 00:45:54

the faith.

00:45:54 --> 00:45:55

So

00:45:55 --> 00:45:56

as I

00:45:57 --> 00:45:59

pursued learning and understanding and all that and

00:45:59 --> 00:46:01

grew more confident, I finally could go back

00:46:01 --> 00:46:03

to a mosque and interact with Muslims and

00:46:03 --> 00:46:06

feel good about that. Yeah. But I know

00:46:06 --> 00:46:07

I know of others

00:46:08 --> 00:46:08

for whom,

00:46:09 --> 00:46:10

similar experiences,

00:46:11 --> 00:46:13

they they left Islam almost immediately.

00:46:13 --> 00:46:15

So everyone's celebrating, oh, we got new Muslims,

00:46:15 --> 00:46:17

but if you're not protecting them and not

00:46:17 --> 00:46:19

not not just protecting them from the hostility

00:46:19 --> 00:46:21

that they might get from family and friends,

00:46:21 --> 00:46:23

but also protecting them from other Muslims who

00:46:23 --> 00:46:25

might start to put, and this happens with,

00:46:26 --> 00:46:28

women who convert to Islam all the time,

00:46:28 --> 00:46:30

right? Immediately, you gotta wear hijab. You gotta

00:46:30 --> 00:46:31

do this. You gotta do that. You know,

00:46:31 --> 00:46:32

forgetting,

00:46:32 --> 00:46:36

in my opinion, the essential message of of

00:46:36 --> 00:46:38

Islam and how it came to the prophet

00:46:38 --> 00:46:41

Muhammad peace be upon him was gradualism. Right?

00:46:41 --> 00:46:43

The Quran didn't come all at once. It

00:46:43 --> 00:46:45

came in pieces. The rules didn't come all

00:46:45 --> 00:46:48

at once. They came as people could take

00:46:48 --> 00:46:49

on the next one, could come full of

00:46:49 --> 00:46:51

that. And one of the one of the

00:46:51 --> 00:46:52

smartest things that

00:46:53 --> 00:46:55

is one of the wisest things,

00:46:56 --> 00:46:57

that I heard when,

00:46:58 --> 00:47:00

I was just becoming a Muslim, And I

00:47:00 --> 00:47:02

was I I remember talking to a very

00:47:02 --> 00:47:04

a very wise imam

00:47:05 --> 00:47:07

and to give me advice. And he said,

00:47:07 --> 00:47:09

just start with doing one prayer a day.

00:47:10 --> 00:47:12

And once you're once you once you've got

00:47:12 --> 00:47:13

that down, once you're good at doing 1

00:47:13 --> 00:47:14

prayer a day for a couple, then go

00:47:14 --> 00:47:16

to the second prayer. Do that.

00:47:17 --> 00:47:18

And, you know, and he said, like, a

00:47:18 --> 00:47:20

lot of new Muslims will burn themselves up

00:47:20 --> 00:47:22

by trying to do too much all at

00:47:22 --> 00:47:24

once, and then they just they get overwhelmed.

00:47:24 --> 00:47:26

Mhmm. And I thought

00:47:26 --> 00:47:28

and I did that. I followed that advice,

00:47:28 --> 00:47:29

and that really made a big difference to

00:47:29 --> 00:47:31

me too. And also kinda calm me down

00:47:31 --> 00:47:33

the gee. I didn't have to have the

00:47:33 --> 00:47:35

whole Quran memorized before I walked into a

00:47:35 --> 00:47:36

mosque, and I didn't have to have my

00:47:36 --> 00:47:38

clothing a certain way. I you know, it

00:47:38 --> 00:47:40

it, was a good thing. Anyway,

00:47:40 --> 00:47:41

that's more than what you asked me. But

00:47:42 --> 00:47:44

No. It's a great story. And, you know,

00:47:44 --> 00:47:45

it reminds you of that,

00:47:46 --> 00:47:46

recently,

00:47:47 --> 00:47:49

a lot of Muslims think that if you

00:47:49 --> 00:47:49

have

00:47:50 --> 00:47:51

a convert group,

00:47:52 --> 00:47:53

it should that should be a great support

00:47:53 --> 00:47:54

system. But

00:47:55 --> 00:47:57

increasingly, I'm finding that that's not even the

00:47:57 --> 00:47:58

case because

00:47:58 --> 00:48:01

that's assuming all converts have the same culture.

00:48:01 --> 00:48:03

Right? Yeah. And America is so diverse. It's

00:48:03 --> 00:48:05

not like a convert group in Japan.

00:48:06 --> 00:48:08

You have all mostly, it's gonna be Japanese

00:48:08 --> 00:48:09

people because their

00:48:09 --> 00:48:12

society is not as diverse as ours. Yeah.

00:48:13 --> 00:48:15

And when we have a lot of comfort

00:48:15 --> 00:48:15

gatherings,

00:48:16 --> 00:48:17

they would have been uncomfortable

00:48:18 --> 00:48:20

if they were both non Muslim. Right?

00:48:21 --> 00:48:22

Yeah. They don't they don't relate.

00:48:23 --> 00:48:23

So,

00:48:24 --> 00:48:25

even that is a hurdle.

00:48:26 --> 00:48:28

You need to bring all converts. They have

00:48:28 --> 00:48:31

total different backgrounds. Their parents have different ethnicities,

00:48:31 --> 00:48:33

different politics, different

00:48:33 --> 00:48:34

socioeconomic backgrounds.

00:48:35 --> 00:48:37

So it's really hard, you know, to put

00:48:37 --> 00:48:39

this together. I think the only solution is

00:48:39 --> 00:48:41

a genuine friendship

00:48:41 --> 00:48:44

irrespective of whether that's per second person is

00:48:44 --> 00:48:47

a convert or not. Right. That one single

00:48:47 --> 00:48:48

genuine friend

00:48:48 --> 00:48:50

who you really click with,

00:48:50 --> 00:48:52

I, that's what I found,

00:48:53 --> 00:48:54

is the best scenario.

00:48:55 --> 00:48:57

Yeah. Yeah. I I I agree. I I,

00:48:58 --> 00:49:01

sort of well, anyway, just to say that,

00:49:01 --> 00:49:03

that's how I became Muslim.

00:49:03 --> 00:49:05

And and one of the things that I've

00:49:05 --> 00:49:07

I've come to recognize

00:49:07 --> 00:49:09

for most people, if not I would almost

00:49:09 --> 00:49:11

say all people who've ever converted to,

00:49:12 --> 00:49:13

Islam,

00:49:14 --> 00:49:16

it it it starts with interaction with another

00:49:16 --> 00:49:17

Muslim.

00:49:18 --> 00:49:19

I mean, one of the I think one

00:49:19 --> 00:49:21

of the things that makes

00:49:23 --> 00:49:23

Islam

00:49:24 --> 00:49:27

is both like a great opportunity, but also

00:49:27 --> 00:49:29

a burden on Muslims is the

00:49:29 --> 00:49:32

Islam is a faith that's judged Mhmm. By

00:49:32 --> 00:49:33

how Muslims behave.

00:49:33 --> 00:49:34

Mhmm.

00:49:35 --> 00:49:37

More than more so than really any other

00:49:37 --> 00:49:38

faith. Mhmm. And I always say that you

00:49:38 --> 00:49:39

could take a bible.

00:49:40 --> 00:49:42

You could drop it in a in a

00:49:42 --> 00:49:45

village that never heard of Christianity. Yeah. And

00:49:45 --> 00:49:47

and if you read that Bible, you would

00:49:47 --> 00:49:48

understand Christianity.

00:49:48 --> 00:49:50

Right? Mhmm. Because it's stories that lays out

00:49:50 --> 00:49:52

the theology. But if you drop a Quran,

00:49:54 --> 00:49:56

you really probably wouldn't understand it at all.

00:49:56 --> 00:49:57

You need a Muslim

00:49:58 --> 00:50:00

who's living it

00:50:00 --> 00:50:01

to really make you understand

00:50:02 --> 00:50:04

what their faith is all about. Mhmm. And

00:50:04 --> 00:50:06

and and whether you're living it in a

00:50:06 --> 00:50:08

in a way that's attractive, on a way

00:50:08 --> 00:50:09

that's negative,

00:50:10 --> 00:50:12

then colors people's opinions about what Islam really

00:50:12 --> 00:50:14

is. Yeah. And so I think we're all

00:50:14 --> 00:50:16

accountable for that, ultimately,

00:50:17 --> 00:50:17

is how,

00:50:18 --> 00:50:21

others, how people we've interacted with,

00:50:21 --> 00:50:24

you know, have ultimately judged Islam by how

00:50:24 --> 00:50:25

we've behaved

00:50:26 --> 00:50:27

and and interacted with them.

00:50:27 --> 00:50:29

Yeah. It's it's it's funny that a lot

00:50:29 --> 00:50:32

of people from my generation, their 2nd generation,

00:50:32 --> 00:50:32

they grew up

00:50:33 --> 00:50:35

maybe knowing 5 Muslim families. That's it. And

00:50:35 --> 00:50:37

everything else was public schools, TV,

00:50:38 --> 00:50:41

your soccer team, your everything was with non

00:50:41 --> 00:50:41

Muslims.

00:50:42 --> 00:50:43

Then you have your parents

00:50:43 --> 00:50:45

and a lot of those that generation,

00:50:46 --> 00:50:49

there's they were soaked in Islamic culture but

00:50:49 --> 00:50:51

never studied Islam nor took it very seriously.

00:50:52 --> 00:50:52

And

00:50:53 --> 00:50:55

when that second generation comes and starts learning

00:50:56 --> 00:50:57

and starts reading books,

00:50:57 --> 00:51:01

their experiences are total opposites. Like, one's experience

00:51:01 --> 00:51:02

is solely from

00:51:03 --> 00:51:06

living with Muslim people, even they knew scholars.

00:51:06 --> 00:51:08

Right? Right. Lived with them but never studied.

00:51:08 --> 00:51:10

The other group only studies and hasn't lived.

00:51:11 --> 00:51:12

And it's so funny to see that,

00:51:13 --> 00:51:15

you know, they would look and say, that's

00:51:15 --> 00:51:17

not right. Like, the way you're doing things,

00:51:17 --> 00:51:18

there's no way it's right. I guarantee you

00:51:18 --> 00:51:20

it's not right, but they can't tell you

00:51:20 --> 00:51:22

why. Right? Yeah. And it's just because they've

00:51:22 --> 00:51:24

lived with the people who've done it without

00:51:25 --> 00:51:26

studying. 2nd group studies

00:51:27 --> 00:51:28

hasn't lived with the people.

00:51:28 --> 00:51:31

Right. Yeah. That's a good point. Yeah. And

00:51:31 --> 00:51:34

it's why the that's basically the companions. Right?

00:51:35 --> 00:51:36

Why we have a prophet in the first

00:51:36 --> 00:51:38

place is to show us how it's lived.

00:51:38 --> 00:51:40

Yes. And that's the key. And that's where,

00:51:41 --> 00:51:42

you know, like, their the Islam is the

00:51:42 --> 00:51:44

one religion that its reputation

00:51:44 --> 00:51:46

and its actual reality are so,

00:51:48 --> 00:51:49

opposed to each other.

00:51:50 --> 00:51:51

And as you experience it,

00:51:52 --> 00:51:54

it takes only a very small interaction

00:51:55 --> 00:51:57

to flip or to break a lot of

00:51:57 --> 00:51:58

the stuff that's being said about it

00:51:59 --> 00:52:00

Yeah.

00:52:00 --> 00:52:02

Is a very good lead to your,

00:52:03 --> 00:52:03

organization.

00:52:04 --> 00:52:07

UPF dot TV, everyone, is the organization. And

00:52:07 --> 00:52:09

if you're listening on Instagram,

00:52:09 --> 00:52:12

hop over to the Safina Sadie YouTube channel

00:52:12 --> 00:52:14

to see the full screen because Instagram still

00:52:14 --> 00:52:15

gives us a small screen.

00:52:16 --> 00:52:16

But

00:52:17 --> 00:52:18

we're

00:52:18 --> 00:52:21

interviewing Alex Kronemer who entered Islam. He's from

00:52:21 --> 00:52:23

the Pittsburgh area,

00:52:23 --> 00:52:25

entered Islam in Boston,

00:52:26 --> 00:52:29

and eventually came to forming this,

00:52:30 --> 00:52:32

organization with Michael Wolf, who is a writer.

00:52:33 --> 00:52:35

But was your background in film?

00:52:35 --> 00:52:37

No. Not at all. Yeah.

00:52:37 --> 00:52:40

I mean, that's the that's the other neither

00:52:40 --> 00:52:41

was Michael's, actually. I mean,

00:52:43 --> 00:52:46

the the naivete of a beginner Mhmm. Really,

00:52:46 --> 00:52:47

really was

00:52:49 --> 00:52:50

I think if I had known what I

00:52:50 --> 00:52:51

know now,

00:52:52 --> 00:52:54

about filmmaking, I would never have tried to

00:52:54 --> 00:52:55

make a film about the Wow.

00:52:56 --> 00:52:57

But it's because I knew nothing

00:52:57 --> 00:52:59

It's a problem. That made me,

00:53:00 --> 00:53:02

naively say, well, yeah. Sure. Well, let's do

00:53:02 --> 00:53:03

this. I mean, what happened

00:53:04 --> 00:53:05

really was, and there's 2 parts to that

00:53:05 --> 00:53:07

story, one of which related to something you

00:53:07 --> 00:53:09

were just saying a minute ago, but,

00:53:10 --> 00:53:11

I had,

00:53:12 --> 00:53:12

after

00:53:13 --> 00:53:15

divinity school, I had returned to my plans

00:53:15 --> 00:53:16

of working

00:53:16 --> 00:53:19

in economics and international relations and was actually

00:53:19 --> 00:53:20

working in the state department,

00:53:22 --> 00:53:24

which put me into contact with, a number

00:53:24 --> 00:53:25

of Saudi Arabian,

00:53:26 --> 00:53:26

diplomats.

00:53:27 --> 00:53:29

And through that, I was invited. They knew

00:53:29 --> 00:53:31

I was Muslim. I was invited

00:53:31 --> 00:53:32

to go,

00:53:32 --> 00:53:33

on Hajj,

00:53:34 --> 00:53:36

with the Ministry of Information in Saudi Arabia,

00:53:36 --> 00:53:39

and they're registering articles about it. That's all

00:53:39 --> 00:53:41

they wanted me and 70 other people from

00:53:41 --> 00:53:43

around the world that they brought. It was

00:53:43 --> 00:53:45

the first time they opened up the Hajj

00:53:45 --> 00:53:47

to journalists. And, so that was my first

00:53:47 --> 00:53:48

time in,

00:53:49 --> 00:53:50

actually, it wasn't my first time in Saudi,

00:53:50 --> 00:53:52

but it was my first time obviously doing

00:53:52 --> 00:53:55

the Hajj. And, and while I was there,

00:53:58 --> 00:54:00

I happened well, I was reading a biography,

00:54:01 --> 00:54:03

by I'm I'm blaming on his name. Martin,

00:54:05 --> 00:54:07

Do you know who I mean? Martin

00:54:07 --> 00:54:08

can't think his name right now.

00:54:09 --> 00:54:11

Anyway, I was reading about the prophet at

00:54:11 --> 00:54:13

the time, which was, like, really very detailed.

00:54:13 --> 00:54:16

Martin Lings, maybe. Martin Lings. Thank you very

00:54:16 --> 00:54:16

much.

00:54:17 --> 00:54:19

And I happened to meet a,

00:54:21 --> 00:54:22

sort of the swashbuckling

00:54:25 --> 00:54:26

Saudi archaeologist who

00:54:27 --> 00:54:28

befriended me and took me on a bit

00:54:28 --> 00:54:29

of a tour

00:54:30 --> 00:54:31

outside of Mecca

00:54:32 --> 00:54:34

at places where all these various historical events

00:54:34 --> 00:54:36

and the founding of Islam happened. And so

00:54:36 --> 00:54:37

I could really

00:54:38 --> 00:54:40

and finally, I ended up working with the

00:54:40 --> 00:54:42

CNN crew that was there,

00:54:43 --> 00:54:45

covering the Hajj for the first time.

00:54:46 --> 00:54:48

And so in that experience, I was sort

00:54:48 --> 00:54:49

of, like, both

00:54:51 --> 00:54:52

exposed to filmmaking

00:54:53 --> 00:54:54

and the and I saw the power of

00:54:54 --> 00:54:55

film.

00:54:56 --> 00:54:57

I was exposed to,

00:54:59 --> 00:55:00

you know, I I was seeing the story,

00:55:00 --> 00:55:02

like, it was taken to places where I

00:55:02 --> 00:55:02

can imagine,

00:55:03 --> 00:55:04

how we could,

00:55:05 --> 00:55:07

do the story in a film. And,

00:55:07 --> 00:55:10

I was reading this book, which my conclusion

00:55:10 --> 00:55:11

at the end of it was,

00:55:12 --> 00:55:13

wow. This is like, this is like a

00:55:13 --> 00:55:16

great American story, the story of the prophet

00:55:16 --> 00:55:18

Mohammed. I mean, he's like the archetype of

00:55:18 --> 00:55:21

the American hero. Right? He's I mean, if

00:55:21 --> 00:55:23

you think of the old western hero, this

00:55:23 --> 00:55:25

this person who's virtuous and good, going into

00:55:25 --> 00:55:27

a bad town, you know,

00:55:28 --> 00:55:29

cleaning it up,

00:55:31 --> 00:55:34

confronted, tempted, but never, you know, never failing

00:55:34 --> 00:55:36

in his in his mission and in his

00:55:36 --> 00:55:38

goal. And when it's all it rides out,

00:55:38 --> 00:55:39

you know, at sunset.

00:55:39 --> 00:55:41

And and that's kind of like the that's

00:55:41 --> 00:55:42

really kind of the arc of the prophet

00:55:42 --> 00:55:44

Mohammed's store piece. Sunset.

00:55:45 --> 00:55:47

So so I came back from that saying,

00:55:47 --> 00:55:49

we're gonna I wanna make a film.

00:55:50 --> 00:55:51

And I I had met Michael,

00:55:52 --> 00:55:52

Wolf,

00:55:53 --> 00:55:54

as I told the story just,

00:55:55 --> 00:55:57

maybe maybe 2 years earlier. And so I

00:55:57 --> 00:56:00

called him up very excited and said, hey.

00:56:00 --> 00:56:01

You know, what do you think? And he

00:56:01 --> 00:56:02

was for it.

00:56:02 --> 00:56:03

And so,

00:56:04 --> 00:56:05

we began

00:56:05 --> 00:56:06

again, naively,

00:56:07 --> 00:56:08

how are we gonna, you know, coming up

00:56:08 --> 00:56:10

with an idea of how we're gonna do

00:56:10 --> 00:56:10

this.

00:56:11 --> 00:56:11

And

00:56:12 --> 00:56:14

this is back in the day, you know,

00:56:14 --> 00:56:16

when there's not, computers where you can, you

00:56:16 --> 00:56:18

know, zip make a word document and make

00:56:18 --> 00:56:21

it look fancy and zip it off. I

00:56:21 --> 00:56:23

remember we I typed up a a brochure,

00:56:23 --> 00:56:24

a 3 column brochure, took it to a

00:56:24 --> 00:56:26

Kinko's, you know, that

00:56:26 --> 00:56:27

that place where you could get,

00:56:28 --> 00:56:29

copies made,

00:56:29 --> 00:56:31

older than threes, and Michael had a bunch,

00:56:31 --> 00:56:33

and I had a bunch. And Michael happened

00:56:33 --> 00:56:35

to be having dinner one evening with a

00:56:35 --> 00:56:35

group of,

00:56:37 --> 00:56:38

kinda wealthy people,

00:56:39 --> 00:56:39

who,

00:56:41 --> 00:56:43

Muslims, who were interested in Michael's work, and

00:56:43 --> 00:56:44

one of them asked him what he was

00:56:44 --> 00:56:45

up to. And he had one of his

00:56:45 --> 00:56:47

brochures. He handed it out. And suddenly

00:56:48 --> 00:56:51

around that table, the first, you know, few

00:56:51 --> 00:56:53

$100,000 to make this film

00:56:53 --> 00:56:56

we had. And so suddenly we were, boom,

00:56:56 --> 00:56:58

moving forward. And and I ended up quitting

00:56:58 --> 00:56:59

my job,

00:57:00 --> 00:57:00

and,

00:57:01 --> 00:57:03

we started, you know, slowly slowly accumulating,

00:57:05 --> 00:57:07

you know, permissions to do this, permissions to

00:57:07 --> 00:57:08

do that. But our biggest challenge

00:57:09 --> 00:57:11

was, well, how are we telling the story?

00:57:11 --> 00:57:12

It's a story of a person you can't

00:57:12 --> 00:57:15

show for an American audience. Right? Yeah.

00:57:16 --> 00:57:16

And,

00:57:18 --> 00:57:19

we were,

00:57:20 --> 00:57:22

we we're having a scholars meeting,

00:57:23 --> 00:57:25

and we were discussing this.

00:57:25 --> 00:57:28

And and discussing themes, we might explore them.

00:57:28 --> 00:57:29

It was lunchtime,

00:57:29 --> 00:57:31

And one of the one of the scholars,

00:57:31 --> 00:57:32

who was a woman, was,

00:57:33 --> 00:57:35

just talking about her son

00:57:35 --> 00:57:36

and how he was learning,

00:57:37 --> 00:57:38

Quran, Koranic recitation.

00:57:39 --> 00:57:40

And she said it was like and she

00:57:40 --> 00:57:42

made this comment like, wow, this is so

00:57:42 --> 00:57:42

interesting because

00:57:43 --> 00:57:44

I saw him sitting a certain way while

00:57:44 --> 00:57:47

he was reciting, she said. And he was

00:57:47 --> 00:57:49

sitting that way because his teacher sat, sits

00:57:49 --> 00:57:51

that way. And his teacher sits that way

00:57:51 --> 00:57:53

because his teacher sat that way. And there

00:57:53 --> 00:57:54

was a chain going all the way back

00:57:54 --> 00:57:56

to the life of prophet Mohammed. Right.

00:57:59 --> 00:58:01

And I remember just thinking, oh my goodness,

00:58:02 --> 00:58:03

this is what makes, this is one of

00:58:03 --> 00:58:05

the things that makes you Islam so unique

00:58:05 --> 00:58:06

is that,

00:58:07 --> 00:58:08

people consciously

00:58:09 --> 00:58:10

are trying to imitate

00:58:11 --> 00:58:12

the manners, the habits,

00:58:13 --> 00:58:13

the

00:58:15 --> 00:58:17

opinions of the prophet Mohammed.

00:58:19 --> 00:58:21

And that's how we tell this story. We

00:58:21 --> 00:58:23

tell a story through Muslims who are alive

00:58:23 --> 00:58:25

today, who in some way or another, they,

00:58:25 --> 00:58:26

through their lives, are reenacting

00:58:27 --> 00:58:29

the prophet Mohammed. And that gets back to

00:58:29 --> 00:58:31

what I'm saying how Muslims

00:58:31 --> 00:58:33

are the ones that really reflect the religion.

00:58:33 --> 00:58:34

And so that

00:58:35 --> 00:58:37

became the way we made that film. Mhmm.

00:58:37 --> 00:58:39

And we're making that film when 911 happened

00:58:39 --> 00:58:41

in the middle of it. But,

00:58:42 --> 00:58:43

we continued,

00:58:45 --> 00:58:46

to make it seem more important than it

00:58:46 --> 00:58:48

ever was before.

00:58:48 --> 00:58:49

And

00:58:49 --> 00:58:51

and when it was eventually broadcast a year

00:58:51 --> 00:58:53

after 9:11, by the way,

00:58:54 --> 00:58:57

a month after Jerry Falwell, the the, fundamentalist

00:58:57 --> 00:58:59

feature had gone on 60 minutes and called

00:58:59 --> 00:59:00

Mohammed

00:59:00 --> 00:59:01

a terrorist.

00:59:03 --> 00:59:05

Our film aired to about 10,000,000 people,

00:59:06 --> 00:59:07

and it gave

00:59:08 --> 00:59:10

an a a

00:59:10 --> 00:59:12

still shaken American public, not only a a

00:59:12 --> 00:59:14

picture of who the prophet was, but also

00:59:14 --> 00:59:16

a picture of who their American Muslim neighbors,

00:59:16 --> 00:59:17

colleagues

00:59:17 --> 00:59:18

Yeah. Were.

00:59:19 --> 00:59:20

And

00:59:20 --> 00:59:22

something you said way back in the beginning

00:59:22 --> 00:59:24

of our conversation about, you know, there weren't

00:59:24 --> 00:59:25

any films,

00:59:27 --> 00:59:28

when when I became a Muslim that I

00:59:28 --> 00:59:29

could share.

00:59:30 --> 00:59:31

We began

00:59:31 --> 00:59:33

hearing about people who were using,

00:59:34 --> 00:59:36

the film. And I remember 1 young woman

00:59:36 --> 00:59:37

writing and thanking us

00:59:37 --> 00:59:39

because she was a Muslim woman and she

00:59:40 --> 00:59:40

in college,

00:59:41 --> 00:59:43

and she had used the film to really,

00:59:45 --> 00:59:47

to gather her her roommates and

00:59:47 --> 00:59:50

her floor mates to watch it Yep. So

00:59:50 --> 00:59:52

that they would know who she was and

00:59:52 --> 00:59:55

how it really had had a remarkable impact.

00:59:55 --> 00:59:56

And so that's where we started. So we

00:59:56 --> 00:59:58

make films, but we also do a lot

00:59:58 --> 00:59:59

of

00:59:59 --> 01:00:01

outreach work. We develop,

01:00:02 --> 01:00:04

all kinds of ways to interact

01:00:05 --> 01:00:07

with various groups based on the film, whether

01:00:07 --> 01:00:11

it's civic engagement or interfaith work or policy

01:00:11 --> 01:00:14

work or whatever it is, because we realize

01:00:14 --> 01:00:15

that that the film is

01:00:16 --> 01:00:18

just the starting point. And and till now,

01:00:18 --> 01:00:20

I mean, we have films that are 20

01:00:20 --> 01:00:21

years old that are still being used,

01:00:23 --> 01:00:25

around not not only around the country, but

01:00:25 --> 01:00:28

around the world in peace building and education

01:00:28 --> 01:00:29

and so forth,

01:00:30 --> 01:00:32

which I think speaks to

01:00:33 --> 01:00:35

what Islam really is when

01:00:36 --> 01:00:37

it is presented

01:00:38 --> 01:00:40

in a way that people can connect with.

01:00:41 --> 01:00:42

That film was one of the first times

01:00:42 --> 01:00:43

that

01:00:43 --> 01:00:45

Muslims were presenting themselves

01:00:46 --> 01:00:46

Yes.

01:00:47 --> 01:00:48

To in the mainstream because it was on

01:00:49 --> 01:00:50

the publicly broadcast,

01:00:50 --> 01:00:53

the public broadcast service, which is PBS.

01:00:53 --> 01:00:54

Essentially, it's like

01:00:56 --> 01:00:56

what is it? 50%

01:00:57 --> 01:00:59

supported by just just public

01:01:00 --> 01:01:03

funds? It's not like a a W. NBC

01:01:03 --> 01:01:03

or ABC.

01:01:04 --> 01:01:06

Yeah. So And and we consciously

01:01:06 --> 01:01:08

wanted to be I mean, we

01:01:08 --> 01:01:11

we were looking at 1 I forget what

01:01:12 --> 01:01:14

know. There were some commercial television station that

01:01:14 --> 01:01:15

was very interested,

01:01:16 --> 01:01:17

but we quickly learned that, you know, we

01:01:17 --> 01:01:19

were gonna have to fit their format, and

01:01:19 --> 01:01:20

we were blah blah blah, and and we

01:01:20 --> 01:01:22

just felt like, no. Yeah. We we really

01:01:22 --> 01:01:23

wanna tell the story.

01:01:25 --> 01:01:26

You know, we wanted to tell the story

01:01:28 --> 01:01:29

independently

01:01:30 --> 01:01:32

Yeah. And not and not be locked into

01:01:32 --> 01:01:34

some kind of, you know,

01:01:34 --> 01:01:36

format. Yeah. PBS is, for those who don't

01:01:36 --> 01:01:38

know, it's a it's a nonprofit

01:01:38 --> 01:01:39

TV station

01:01:39 --> 01:01:42

that's that was plugged in to every cable

01:01:42 --> 01:01:42

network.

01:01:43 --> 01:01:44

It was basically part of free TV. So

01:01:44 --> 01:01:46

if you had a TV and you just

01:01:46 --> 01:01:47

plugged it in and you stuck your antenna

01:01:47 --> 01:01:49

back in the day, you got 13 free

01:01:49 --> 01:01:49

channels.

01:01:50 --> 01:01:52

You had to pay for cable to get

01:01:52 --> 01:01:54

all the other channels, but you had 13

01:01:54 --> 01:01:56

free channels. It's basically default TV that was

01:01:56 --> 01:01:57

all for free,

01:01:58 --> 01:01:59

that you got. Well, you were better than

01:01:59 --> 01:02:01

me. I had when my children were we

01:02:01 --> 01:02:03

only had 4. Four channels. Wow. That's crazy.

01:02:03 --> 01:02:04

That's crazy.

01:02:05 --> 01:02:06

So

01:02:06 --> 01:02:07

and also you have to people have to

01:02:07 --> 01:02:09

realize that there was no such thing as,

01:02:09 --> 01:02:11

you know, everyone telling their story. And, no,

01:02:11 --> 01:02:13

it wasn't like that. Your story was told

01:02:13 --> 01:02:15

by whoever told it, and you just had

01:02:15 --> 01:02:17

to live with that. So when finally someone,

01:02:17 --> 01:02:18

especially after 911,

01:02:19 --> 01:02:22

was known, like, known faces. People people had

01:02:22 --> 01:02:24

we all had met in Masjid.

01:02:24 --> 01:02:26

We're on PBS

01:02:26 --> 01:02:28

telling the story of the prophet, peace be

01:02:28 --> 01:02:29

upon him. We gave Muslims for the first

01:02:29 --> 01:02:32

time a a a a view of what

01:02:32 --> 01:02:33

it feels like

01:02:34 --> 01:02:35

to tell your own story to the public.

01:02:35 --> 01:02:38

I think that was a huge catapult. So

01:02:38 --> 01:02:40

that was like an amazing launch for UPF.

01:02:41 --> 01:02:43

Yeah. Right? And you've been sorta it seems

01:02:43 --> 01:02:45

like you never looked back because you have

01:02:45 --> 01:02:47

now 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7,

01:02:47 --> 01:02:48

8, 9,

01:02:49 --> 01:02:49

10, 11,

01:02:50 --> 01:02:53

12. Since 2001 to 2024, you have 12

01:02:54 --> 01:02:54

productions.

01:02:54 --> 01:02:57

12 national broadcast. We also have 2 theatrical

01:02:57 --> 01:02:58

releases. Mhmm.

01:02:59 --> 01:03:00

We also have probably,

01:03:01 --> 01:03:03

I would say, 200 small films.

01:03:04 --> 01:03:06

Like, as I said, we do these educational

01:03:07 --> 01:03:08

work around the film, so we make sometimes

01:03:08 --> 01:03:09

small films

01:03:10 --> 01:03:12

that support that work.

01:03:13 --> 01:03:15

And we also do work in in Hollywood.

01:03:16 --> 01:03:18

In where? In Hollywood. Oh, in Hollywood. Okay.

01:03:18 --> 01:03:20

Like what? Well,

01:03:21 --> 01:03:23

we, you know, it's very interesting because we

01:03:24 --> 01:03:24

came

01:03:25 --> 01:03:28

and come at this work as, not as

01:03:28 --> 01:03:31

Muslims, but as film producers. Right? And as

01:03:31 --> 01:03:34

a result of that, we're, you know, we're

01:03:34 --> 01:03:34

often,

01:03:35 --> 01:03:37

you know, at award ceremonies and different things

01:03:37 --> 01:03:38

like that.

01:03:39 --> 01:03:39

And,

01:03:40 --> 01:03:42

early on, we encountered I was sitting at

01:03:42 --> 01:03:45

a table with a group of other producers

01:03:45 --> 01:03:46

and and, oh, what do you do? What

01:03:46 --> 01:03:47

do you do? What do you do? And

01:03:47 --> 01:03:49

when I said what I did,

01:03:49 --> 01:03:50

one of them said, oh my god. I

01:03:50 --> 01:03:52

wish I knew you a year ago. We

01:03:52 --> 01:03:54

were and it was some popular television show.

01:03:54 --> 01:03:56

I forget what it was now, but saying

01:03:56 --> 01:03:57

we were writing this and we were gonna

01:03:57 --> 01:03:58

make the neighbors Muslim, but we

01:03:59 --> 01:04:01

we just didn't know enough about Islam and

01:04:01 --> 01:04:02

Muslims to do that. So we ended up

01:04:02 --> 01:04:04

making them Hispanic, blah blah blah. Mhmm. And

01:04:04 --> 01:04:06

I thought, wow. What a lost opportunity

01:04:06 --> 01:04:07

that is.

01:04:07 --> 01:04:10

And, and again, getting back to the fact

01:04:10 --> 01:04:12

that there's not necessarily inbred hostility. There's just

01:04:12 --> 01:04:14

like a lack of understanding and knowledge. Mhmm.

01:04:14 --> 01:04:15

And so

01:04:16 --> 01:04:17

around that time then, we're talking about 15,

01:04:17 --> 01:04:19

16 years ago, we,

01:04:20 --> 01:04:22

developed this program, which we call MOST, standing

01:04:22 --> 01:04:24

for Muslims on Screen and Television. Mhmm.

01:04:25 --> 01:04:25

And,

01:04:26 --> 01:04:29

where we provide basically support and information for

01:04:29 --> 01:04:31

producers and writers,

01:04:32 --> 01:04:34

to be telling Muslim

01:04:35 --> 01:04:35

stories,

01:04:35 --> 01:04:37

developing positive Muslim characters,

01:04:38 --> 01:04:39

and so forth,

01:04:39 --> 01:04:42

for their for their various television shows. And

01:04:42 --> 01:04:43

so we've now

01:04:43 --> 01:04:46

we've worked with on shows of many very

01:04:46 --> 01:04:48

popular television for, like the Simpsons,

01:04:49 --> 01:04:51

Law and Order, Grey's Anatomy,

01:04:53 --> 01:04:54

things that are not on TV anymore, but

01:04:54 --> 01:04:57

something called the good doctor. There was one

01:04:57 --> 01:04:58

I don't know. There's at least 20 or

01:04:58 --> 01:05:01

25 different shows that we've directly

01:05:01 --> 01:05:03

impacted and probably 25

01:05:03 --> 01:05:05

and 50 more that have indirectly been impacted

01:05:05 --> 01:05:06

by the law.

01:05:07 --> 01:05:10

Recently, there was not recently, maybe about 5

01:05:10 --> 01:05:12

10 5 5 years ago maybe.

01:05:14 --> 01:05:16

There was news spread about a guy who

01:05:16 --> 01:05:17

was from the military,

01:05:18 --> 01:05:19

went into a mosque,

01:05:19 --> 01:05:21

and wanted to essentially, he wanted to blow

01:05:21 --> 01:05:22

up the mosque

01:05:23 --> 01:05:24

in, the rural part of the country. I

01:05:24 --> 01:05:25

think it was Indiana.

01:05:27 --> 01:05:30

He steps in, and the president of the

01:05:30 --> 01:05:31

mosque happened to be there.

01:05:32 --> 01:05:34

And he says we're he he welcomes him

01:05:34 --> 01:05:35

in.

01:05:35 --> 01:05:37

Gives him a little tour. I think he

01:05:37 --> 01:05:39

gave him some water or coffee or something.

01:05:39 --> 01:05:41

They and the guy was just totally shocked.

01:05:41 --> 01:05:43

He was there to do a recon of

01:05:43 --> 01:05:45

what the mess would look like so he

01:05:45 --> 01:05:46

could actually blow it up.

01:05:47 --> 01:05:47

This is an,

01:05:48 --> 01:05:49

former soldier.

01:05:49 --> 01:05:50

Was that your production?

01:05:51 --> 01:05:53

No. It wasn't. But, I I know the

01:05:53 --> 01:05:55

people who made that film. It's a 15

01:05:55 --> 01:05:56

minute film Yeah.

01:05:56 --> 01:05:58

That we've been trying to promote. It's a

01:05:58 --> 01:06:00

really it's a really nice film,

01:06:03 --> 01:06:06

and the story is really yeah. You you

01:06:06 --> 01:06:08

summarized the story perfectly. And and, again, it's

01:06:08 --> 01:06:09

sort of like my story.

01:06:10 --> 01:06:11

You know, I went in. This person gave

01:06:11 --> 01:06:13

me a date. Right?

01:06:13 --> 01:06:15

I mean, if you think about

01:06:16 --> 01:06:17

12 major films,

01:06:18 --> 01:06:19

100,000,000 people

01:06:19 --> 01:06:21

having seen the films, the work we do

01:06:21 --> 01:06:23

in Hollywood, all that stuff, it began with

01:06:23 --> 01:06:24

some guy giving me a date.

01:06:25 --> 01:06:28

Right? That's crazy. So cool, mama. Right? And

01:06:28 --> 01:06:30

and that's the story of this gentleman too.

01:06:30 --> 01:06:31

I mean, he was he was kinda like

01:06:31 --> 01:06:33

a PSTD person. He was,

01:06:33 --> 01:06:35

he had been in in, like, I I

01:06:35 --> 01:06:37

in one of the wars, god knows which

01:06:37 --> 01:06:39

one it was, but he came back,

01:06:42 --> 01:06:44

just mentally messed up.

01:06:44 --> 01:06:46

And, yes, that's what he was gonna do,

01:06:46 --> 01:06:47

but he was befriended

01:06:48 --> 01:06:50

and welcomed that he needed that so much.

01:06:51 --> 01:06:52

And he became a Muslim, by the way.

01:06:53 --> 01:06:53

Subhadma.

01:06:54 --> 01:06:56

Subhadma. So, I forget the name of the

01:06:56 --> 01:06:58

story, though. But, anyway, yeah, it's a very

01:06:58 --> 01:06:58

good one.

01:06:59 --> 01:07:01

When you say short films, are they available

01:07:01 --> 01:07:02

on UPF's YouTube channel?

01:07:03 --> 01:07:06

Yes. Okay. Well, yes, but and also through

01:07:06 --> 01:07:07

our website. So if you go to our

01:07:07 --> 01:07:08

website, upf.tv

01:07:09 --> 01:07:10

Yeah.

01:07:11 --> 01:07:14

Most of the materials that we've developed for

01:07:14 --> 01:07:16

use in this dialogues and education

01:07:16 --> 01:07:19

are available on our website. Okay. Nice. Nice.

01:07:19 --> 01:07:21

What was your favorite movie to make?

01:07:23 --> 01:07:25

Oh, gosh. You know, that's such a hard

01:07:25 --> 01:07:27

question because each one is so different.

01:07:27 --> 01:07:28

I mean, we consciously,

01:07:29 --> 01:07:31

are always trying to tell different stories,

01:07:32 --> 01:07:34

that can appeal to different audiences.

01:07:37 --> 01:07:38

I mean, usually,

01:07:39 --> 01:07:40

what feels like my favorite movie is the

01:07:40 --> 01:07:42

one I'm working on now. Yeah.

01:07:42 --> 01:07:44

So we're working on now one that we're

01:07:44 --> 01:07:47

tentatively calling Islam's Greatest Love Stories.

01:07:47 --> 01:07:47

Mhmm.

01:07:48 --> 01:07:49

And and,

01:07:50 --> 01:07:52

again, it's, you know, it's one that

01:07:53 --> 01:07:54

we're trying to present

01:07:55 --> 01:07:57

Islam to a and Muslims

01:07:57 --> 01:07:59

Mhmm. To an audience who

01:07:59 --> 01:08:02

largely don't associate Islam and love as being

01:08:03 --> 01:08:04

connected in any way. Yeah.

01:08:05 --> 01:08:06

And we're not talking about romantic love in

01:08:06 --> 01:08:09

this in this film. It's it's love in

01:08:09 --> 01:08:10

a bigger sense. Mhmm.

01:08:11 --> 01:08:12

So, anyway,

01:08:12 --> 01:08:14

it was certainly the sultan and saint was

01:08:14 --> 01:08:17

certainly, I I was my directorial debut, let's

01:08:17 --> 01:08:18

say.

01:08:18 --> 01:08:20

And that was a great film to make.

01:08:20 --> 01:08:21

You know, it was literally a cast of

01:08:21 --> 01:08:22

100

01:08:23 --> 01:08:23

as we recreated,

01:08:24 --> 01:08:25

the crusades and and,

01:08:28 --> 01:08:30

the middle ages and so forth. That was

01:08:31 --> 01:08:33

that it was a very challenging film.

01:08:33 --> 01:08:35

Enemy of the Reich is a great film

01:08:35 --> 01:08:36

of the heroic,

01:08:37 --> 01:08:39

Muslim woman fighting the Nazis in World War

01:08:39 --> 01:08:40

2.

01:08:41 --> 01:08:43

Prince Among Slaves, as you mentioned, probably

01:08:44 --> 01:08:45

our most popular film

01:08:46 --> 01:08:48

in our backlist career, another great film. But,

01:08:48 --> 01:08:49

I mean, they're all

01:08:50 --> 01:08:52

it's hard to say. They're all great. I

01:08:52 --> 01:08:53

mean, in terms of to my heart, they're

01:08:53 --> 01:08:55

all great. As I look at the title

01:08:55 --> 01:08:58

this year, some of them are documentaries, and

01:08:58 --> 01:08:59

some of them are actually movies.

01:09:00 --> 01:09:02

Yeah. Right? Full on movies. No documentaries at

01:09:02 --> 01:09:04

all. Like, Prince of Monsters We made an

01:09:04 --> 01:09:05

animated film.

01:09:07 --> 01:09:09

Excuse me. We made an animated film called

01:09:09 --> 01:09:10

Lamia's Pope, which

01:09:11 --> 01:09:13

to your audience, they should look for. We're

01:09:13 --> 01:09:14

trying to promote it this year. It was

01:09:14 --> 01:09:16

a film that was a bit of a

01:09:16 --> 01:09:17

COVID casualty,

01:09:17 --> 01:09:18

because it was supposed to have it to

01:09:18 --> 01:09:20

the at score release and then COVID came

01:09:20 --> 01:09:21

in. Mhmm. And then but it's an it's

01:09:21 --> 01:09:24

an animated film about a 12 year old

01:09:24 --> 01:09:26

Syrian girl who's fleeing Syria,

01:09:26 --> 01:09:29

and she's given a book of Rumi's poetry.

01:09:29 --> 01:09:31

How do you It becomes a magical gateway

01:09:31 --> 01:09:33

where she meets Rumi when he was a

01:09:33 --> 01:09:33

boy

01:09:34 --> 01:09:35

fleeing the violence of his time, and she

01:09:35 --> 01:09:38

helps him write the poem that 800 years

01:09:38 --> 01:09:40

later saves her life. Ajib. Ajib.

01:09:41 --> 01:09:43

Omar, why don't you go to Lemia's,

01:09:44 --> 01:09:46

go to the trailer for that.

01:09:46 --> 01:09:48

And why don't you load it up and

01:09:48 --> 01:09:50

we'll show the audience right now what the

01:09:50 --> 01:09:50

the trailer.

01:09:51 --> 01:09:53

It shows on YouTube. Right?

01:09:53 --> 01:09:55

Yeah. So why do while he loads it

01:09:55 --> 01:09:57

up, I'm gonna ask you another question and

01:09:57 --> 01:09:58

take him a second to load it up.

01:09:59 --> 01:10:00

Most of these, you can I get an

01:10:00 --> 01:10:02

idea? Enemy of the Reich, you get an

01:10:02 --> 01:10:03

idea what it is.

01:10:03 --> 01:10:06

Rise and fall of Spain. Islamic Spain. Yeah.

01:10:06 --> 01:10:06

I got it.

01:10:07 --> 01:10:08

What a 1,000,000,000 Muslims thinks.

01:10:09 --> 01:10:12

What I what doesn't does require a little

01:10:12 --> 01:10:14

bit of a question is on a wing

01:10:14 --> 01:10:16

and a prayer. While we load up,

01:10:17 --> 01:10:20

this this for this trailer, can you tell

01:10:20 --> 01:10:22

us what what is that about? Is there

01:10:22 --> 01:10:24

something happened on a plane or what? Yeah.

01:10:24 --> 01:10:26

So that was a film that became something

01:10:26 --> 01:10:27

different than what we thought it was gonna

01:10:27 --> 01:10:29

be. So Mhmm. A lot of our films

01:10:29 --> 01:10:31

are, historical

01:10:33 --> 01:10:36

explorations. So there's a fixed history and but

01:10:36 --> 01:10:38

there's also a style of filmmaking which are

01:10:38 --> 01:10:40

which some of our films have been as

01:10:40 --> 01:10:42

well, which is called very tough, which is

01:10:42 --> 01:10:42

basically

01:10:43 --> 01:10:44

you don't know what's gonna happen. You're following

01:10:44 --> 01:10:46

a person or a couple or something as

01:10:46 --> 01:10:48

a on some kind of journey. So we

01:10:48 --> 01:10:50

were approached,

01:10:51 --> 01:10:52

oh, well, this is a few years after

01:10:52 --> 01:10:53

911

01:10:53 --> 01:10:55

about this gentleman who wanted to get his,

01:10:56 --> 01:10:58

flying license, airplane license.

01:10:58 --> 01:11:00

And and the FBI showed up.

01:11:02 --> 01:11:04

And and True story. It's true story. Yeah.

01:11:04 --> 01:11:05

Okay. And,

01:11:06 --> 01:11:08

he was gonna continue to get his flying

01:11:08 --> 01:11:11

flying license, but, you know, he didn't know

01:11:11 --> 01:11:13

what was gonna happen. And, basically, he wanted

01:11:13 --> 01:11:15

us to document it because what if he

01:11:15 --> 01:11:17

ended up, you know, arrested?

01:11:17 --> 01:11:20

Nice. Okay. So that was the original idea.

01:11:20 --> 01:11:21

So originally, I felt like, oh, this is

01:11:21 --> 01:11:23

gonna be a, you know, a hard inning.

01:11:24 --> 01:11:25

Well, it turned out to be the exact

01:11:25 --> 01:11:27

opposite. It turned out to be, I would

01:11:27 --> 01:11:29

say, our most

01:11:29 --> 01:11:30

comedic

01:11:31 --> 01:11:33

of of our films. Oh, that's great. Because

01:11:33 --> 01:11:36

it turns out that the FBI was not

01:11:36 --> 01:11:38

involved at all in our period of fall

01:11:38 --> 01:11:41

of flying. It turns out that learning how

01:11:41 --> 01:11:43

to fly is really kinda hard. Mhmm. And

01:11:43 --> 01:11:44

and,

01:11:45 --> 01:11:46

his wife,

01:11:47 --> 01:11:47

and

01:11:47 --> 01:11:49

they were kind of like a mismatched couple

01:11:49 --> 01:11:52

in a way. Mhmm. And so just their

01:11:52 --> 01:11:54

banter back and forth, and she thinks he's

01:11:54 --> 01:11:55

kind of crazy for doing this and this

01:11:55 --> 01:11:56

and that and the other thing.

01:11:59 --> 01:12:01

And so it's it's it's pursuing the mission

01:12:01 --> 01:12:02

by really getting

01:12:03 --> 01:12:04

helping audience get to know,

01:12:06 --> 01:12:07

kind of a goofy,

01:12:08 --> 01:12:09

but endearing guy

01:12:10 --> 01:12:12

and his family as he's trying to learn

01:12:12 --> 01:12:13

how to fly an airplane.

01:12:14 --> 01:12:16

And people can watch this on where can

01:12:16 --> 01:12:17

people watch this? On your website?

01:12:18 --> 01:12:21

Again, go to our website, the starting place.

01:12:22 --> 01:12:24

I don't know all the play like, our

01:12:24 --> 01:12:25

films are

01:12:25 --> 01:12:27

you can find some of them on Amazon,

01:12:27 --> 01:12:28

some of them on,

01:12:30 --> 01:12:33

other streaming platforms, but start with our website.

01:12:33 --> 01:12:35

Okay. Great. But that's a great film, by

01:12:35 --> 01:12:37

the way. It's it's a it's, as I

01:12:37 --> 01:12:38

said, it's a very,

01:12:39 --> 01:12:41

you smile a lot watching that. Nice. Nice.

01:12:42 --> 01:12:44

Let me tell everybody before we watch this

01:12:44 --> 01:12:46

trailer. Again, Lemia's poem,

01:12:47 --> 01:12:49

It's got a Narnia esque,

01:12:49 --> 01:12:51

a little bit of a Christopher Nolan touch

01:12:51 --> 01:12:52

to it where

01:12:53 --> 01:12:55

a girl is 12 years old. She's a

01:12:55 --> 01:12:56

refugee.

01:12:56 --> 01:12:59

And these Syrian refugees, they're had a really

01:12:59 --> 01:13:00

rough time in the past decade.

01:13:01 --> 01:13:02

She's fleeing violence in her country. And, you

01:13:02 --> 01:13:05

know, that's this age when you're have any

01:13:05 --> 01:13:07

upheaval, it really shakes up your whole life

01:13:07 --> 01:13:09

when you're 12 years old, 13 years old.

01:13:09 --> 01:13:09

So somebody

01:13:10 --> 01:13:12

she comes upon a book of Jalal Adina

01:13:12 --> 01:13:13

Rumi.

01:13:14 --> 01:13:16

And as she reads the book, a magical

01:13:16 --> 01:13:19

and mystical gateway opens up and she goes

01:13:19 --> 01:13:20

back

01:13:21 --> 01:13:24

to Afghanistan. She goes into Afghanistan where where

01:13:24 --> 01:13:26

wherever Rumi was from at the time,

01:13:26 --> 01:13:28

and he is suffering the same exact thing.

01:13:29 --> 01:13:30

He's a refugee.

01:13:30 --> 01:13:32

She meets him as a boy.

01:13:32 --> 01:13:34

She helps him out.

01:13:35 --> 01:13:37

He ends up being inspired by her, writes

01:13:37 --> 01:13:38

a poem.

01:13:39 --> 01:13:41

The magical gateway closes up again,

01:13:41 --> 01:13:42

and she benefits

01:13:43 --> 01:13:45

from that poem, which he wrote because of

01:13:45 --> 01:13:48

her. So that's the Christopher Nolan time loop

01:13:48 --> 01:13:50

thing where Yeah. You know? But it's a

01:13:50 --> 01:13:53

Narnia Gateway thing. So it it's a really

01:13:53 --> 01:13:54

interesting,

01:13:56 --> 01:13:58

story. So let's take a look at this.

01:13:59 --> 01:14:00

Hey. Am I gonna be able to hear,

01:14:00 --> 01:14:02

Omar? Okay. Good. Let's take a look at

01:14:02 --> 01:14:03

this trailer.

01:14:09 --> 01:14:11

The world is full of signs that we

01:14:11 --> 01:14:13

often do not see.

01:14:24 --> 01:14:24

Lamia.

01:14:25 --> 01:14:26

Lamia. Oh, thank god.

01:14:32 --> 01:14:35

You're leaving? I brought you a new one.

01:14:35 --> 01:14:36

Do you know who Rumi is?

01:14:37 --> 01:14:38

This

01:14:41 --> 01:14:41

book?

01:14:42 --> 01:14:43

It's special.

01:14:49 --> 01:14:51

My name's Lemia. Oh, Jalaluddin.

01:14:52 --> 01:14:54

But you can call me Jalal. Jalaluddin?

01:14:56 --> 01:14:57

Rumi?

01:15:03 --> 01:15:05

Try to look beyond this moment. You were

01:15:05 --> 01:15:08

made a writer because someone, somewhere

01:15:09 --> 01:15:10

needs your words.

01:15:24 --> 01:15:26

It is not our eyes that are blind.

01:15:27 --> 01:15:28

It is our hearts.

01:15:37 --> 01:15:38

This is really good to,

01:15:39 --> 01:15:41

I think I have an audience for this

01:15:41 --> 01:15:43

in our community to actually show this to

01:15:43 --> 01:15:45

them because it looks really interesting. And who

01:15:45 --> 01:15:47

helped you write this story? Did you write

01:15:47 --> 01:15:48

it yourself or was it Yeah. I wrote

01:15:48 --> 01:15:49

it. Yeah. Masha'Allah.

01:15:50 --> 01:15:52

What is, what's the length of this movie?

01:15:52 --> 01:15:54

It's an hour and 30 minutes. Oh, it's

01:15:54 --> 01:15:57

a lot of work. So so the animation

01:15:57 --> 01:16:00

and it's a full these are full animations

01:16:00 --> 01:16:00

now.

01:16:02 --> 01:16:03

So that's,

01:16:04 --> 01:16:06

some how do you how do you launch

01:16:06 --> 01:16:07

these when you have a

01:16:07 --> 01:16:08

movie like this?

01:16:09 --> 01:16:11

In the movie world, there's always, I don't

01:16:11 --> 01:16:13

know, a cinema that picks it up and

01:16:13 --> 01:16:14

puts it out there or,

01:16:15 --> 01:16:17

on Netflix. So how do you launch? Yeah.

01:16:17 --> 01:16:18

So

01:16:18 --> 01:16:20

the main way you launch is,

01:16:22 --> 01:16:25

at film festivals, major film festivals where people

01:16:25 --> 01:16:26

buy it in essence.

01:16:26 --> 01:16:29

And as I said, our launch happened

01:16:30 --> 01:16:31

in the middle of COVID.

01:16:32 --> 01:16:34

And there was we actually there actually was

01:16:34 --> 01:16:35

screened at this film And,

01:16:38 --> 01:16:41

you know, even till now theaters are not

01:16:41 --> 01:16:44

are struggling. Yeah. It is And, you know,

01:16:44 --> 01:16:46

even till now theaters are not are struggling.

01:16:46 --> 01:16:48

Yeah. It is available to stream.

01:16:49 --> 01:16:50

But,

01:16:52 --> 01:16:55

having that that initial theatrical bump is important.

01:16:56 --> 01:16:58

So what we are doing this year

01:16:58 --> 01:17:01

is we are promoting screenings of the film

01:17:01 --> 01:17:01

ourselves.

01:17:02 --> 01:17:02

Mhmm.

01:17:04 --> 01:17:04

Tying it to,

01:17:06 --> 01:17:06

refugee

01:17:06 --> 01:17:07

month,

01:17:08 --> 01:17:10

tying it to, well, many things.

01:17:11 --> 01:17:13

And so so, you know, we've had several

01:17:13 --> 01:17:14

dozen screenings,

01:17:15 --> 01:17:17

some very big, some, you know,

01:17:18 --> 01:17:20

only 30 people, and we're gonna continue pushing

01:17:20 --> 01:17:20

that

01:17:21 --> 01:17:23

this year. That's great. So how can we

01:17:23 --> 01:17:24

sign up for a screening at our community

01:17:24 --> 01:17:25

center?

01:17:25 --> 01:17:26

Oh, easy.

01:17:26 --> 01:17:27

Just

01:17:27 --> 01:17:29

just let the powers let one of us

01:17:29 --> 01:17:31

know that you wanna do it. We'll be

01:17:31 --> 01:17:33

happy to organize that for you. Okay. That's

01:17:33 --> 01:17:34

great. So that'll be a nice,

01:17:35 --> 01:17:36

screening at the start of the school year,

01:17:37 --> 01:17:38

and it'll pull out a lot of families,

01:17:38 --> 01:17:39

and we have a big gym. We can

01:17:39 --> 01:17:41

see it about a 100 or so. And

01:17:41 --> 01:17:42

the other thing that's very interesting about the

01:17:42 --> 01:17:45

film, I didn't I I wasn't thinking about

01:17:45 --> 01:17:45

it at the time.

01:17:47 --> 01:17:49

You know, I mean, the film has, you

01:17:49 --> 01:17:51

know, it's has scary scenes. There's war. There's

01:17:51 --> 01:17:53

monsters in it and so forth. And I

01:17:53 --> 01:17:54

kind of was thinking, oh, this is not

01:17:54 --> 01:17:55

really for kids. You know? It doesn't have

01:17:55 --> 01:17:57

any talking donkeys. And

01:17:57 --> 01:18:00

but I have found that little kids love

01:18:00 --> 01:18:03

this film. Mhmm. And I realized inadvertently,

01:18:04 --> 01:18:06

they love it because it has the Disney

01:18:06 --> 01:18:07

arc, which is,

01:18:08 --> 01:18:10

a mother if you think of most Disney

01:18:10 --> 01:18:13

movies, the mother is lost or gone. Mhmm.

01:18:14 --> 01:18:16

And then all these because, you know, sort

01:18:16 --> 01:18:18

of like for in the little kid's mind,

01:18:18 --> 01:18:20

as far as a mother present, nothing bad

01:18:20 --> 01:18:22

can happen. So Yeah. Adventure begins when the

01:18:22 --> 01:18:24

mother's gone. Right? Yeah. And and her story

01:18:24 --> 01:18:26

is same way. But at the very end,

01:18:26 --> 01:18:28

there's her her mother comes back.

01:18:29 --> 01:18:31

And if you think of every Disney movie,

01:18:31 --> 01:18:33

you know, beast dies and suddenly he's resurrected.

01:18:34 --> 01:18:34

Wally's

01:18:35 --> 01:18:37

got the his computer's broken, but suddenly he's

01:18:37 --> 01:18:38

Wally again. You know, there's that moment of,

01:18:38 --> 01:18:41

you know, of loss and then return. Yeah.

01:18:41 --> 01:18:42

And at the end of this film, the

01:18:42 --> 01:18:44

mother comes back. And I think that that's

01:18:44 --> 01:18:46

where the kid the kids just love.

01:18:47 --> 01:18:50

They're on this scary adventure. Lamia does okay,

01:18:50 --> 01:18:51

but then she finds her mother at the

01:18:51 --> 01:18:53

end. Yeah. So it's good for kids. It

01:18:53 --> 01:18:55

also has the the animation looks like some

01:18:55 --> 01:18:56

of the,

01:18:57 --> 01:18:59

Disney movies that they're watching. So the animation

01:18:59 --> 01:19:01

is really sharp. Yeah.

01:19:01 --> 01:19:03

No. There's a thing about animation too is

01:19:03 --> 01:19:05

I I Mhmm. In terms of things I

01:19:05 --> 01:19:06

didn't know.

01:19:07 --> 01:19:08

Every second

01:19:08 --> 01:19:11

of film, in an animated film, is 24

01:19:11 --> 01:19:12

drawings.

01:19:13 --> 01:19:13

Say again.

01:19:14 --> 01:19:15

Every one second.

01:19:15 --> 01:19:17

Yeah. Is 24

01:19:17 --> 01:19:21

different drawings. That's insane. It is insane. Yeah.

01:19:21 --> 01:19:23

We had 70 70 people. Some of it

01:19:23 --> 01:19:24

70 animators

01:19:24 --> 01:19:27

worked on this film. So 60 times 24.

01:19:27 --> 01:19:29

What's the math on that? Some of you

01:19:29 --> 01:19:29

guys are,

01:19:30 --> 01:19:32

into math. A 120,

01:19:34 --> 01:19:36

right, plus more.

01:19:36 --> 01:19:38

No. No. I mean, 1,200

01:19:39 --> 01:19:40

and more. Yeah.

01:19:41 --> 01:19:43

So let's say 1500

01:19:43 --> 01:19:44

a minute

01:19:45 --> 01:19:45

times 90.

01:19:46 --> 01:19:46

Yeah.

01:19:48 --> 01:19:48

Yeah.

01:19:49 --> 01:19:49

1,420.

01:19:50 --> 01:19:50

1,420

01:19:51 --> 01:19:52

times 90.

01:19:54 --> 01:19:55

Just do it times a 100. Might as

01:19:55 --> 01:19:58

well. Call it a day. 14,000 images.

01:19:58 --> 01:19:59

Right?

01:19:59 --> 01:20:00

Yeah.

01:20:00 --> 01:20:01

14,000

01:20:01 --> 01:20:03

drawings. That's insane.

01:20:03 --> 01:20:06

Oh, wait. Here's a question that's controversial in

01:20:06 --> 01:20:07

the art world.

01:20:07 --> 01:20:09

Do you plan to use AI?

01:20:11 --> 01:20:13

No. We don't

01:20:13 --> 01:20:14

plan to use AI.

01:20:16 --> 01:20:18

And it it's, yeah, it is a it's

01:20:18 --> 01:20:20

I I don't know if it's controversial. It's

01:20:20 --> 01:20:21

it's, highly charged.

01:20:22 --> 01:20:24

Yeah. As AI threatens to put a lot

01:20:24 --> 01:20:26

of artists out of work. Right? Exactly. Yeah.

01:20:27 --> 01:20:28

Yeah. And,

01:20:29 --> 01:20:30

at the same time, I can understand why

01:20:30 --> 01:20:32

it's irresistible to a lot of people because

01:20:32 --> 01:20:35

it's Yeah. It's cheap.

01:20:35 --> 01:20:37

Yeah. But but,

01:20:37 --> 01:20:39

no. We don't plan. And and and you

01:20:39 --> 01:20:40

might find interesting that

01:20:41 --> 01:20:43

PBS doesn't accept any

01:20:44 --> 01:20:47

any, any AI in their in their submissions.

01:20:48 --> 01:20:48

Are there

01:20:49 --> 01:20:52

actors and guilds now that have conditions like

01:20:52 --> 01:20:53

that? Like, we're not gonna work with you

01:20:54 --> 01:20:55

Oh, yeah. Well, that was part of the

01:20:55 --> 01:20:57

big act actor strike. That was part of

01:20:57 --> 01:20:58

what that was all about. Yeah.

01:20:59 --> 01:21:01

You know, that their images were taken and

01:21:01 --> 01:21:02

now they were gonna be used,

01:21:04 --> 01:21:07

introduced in, by AI to act out things.

01:21:07 --> 01:21:10

And and less for for stars, but for

01:21:10 --> 01:21:11

background actors,

01:21:12 --> 01:21:13

there's a you know, you you you know,

01:21:13 --> 01:21:15

people have careers in in this business

01:21:16 --> 01:21:19

without being stars. Yeah. They're they're they're just,

01:21:19 --> 01:21:21

you know, they're they're always being hired to

01:21:21 --> 01:21:23

be in the cloud scene, this, that, and

01:21:23 --> 01:21:25

everything. So they have, you know, a whole

01:21:25 --> 01:21:26

career in Hollywood

01:21:27 --> 01:21:29

Yeah. Doing that kind of work. And if

01:21:29 --> 01:21:29

suddenly

01:21:30 --> 01:21:32

you don't need them anymore, or you're, you

01:21:32 --> 01:21:34

know, you're kind of 90% of the, act

01:21:34 --> 01:21:35

working actors.

01:21:36 --> 01:21:38

Yeah. Most people think about Hollywood stars. They

01:21:38 --> 01:21:39

think of the Hollywood actors. They think of

01:21:39 --> 01:21:42

the star, but then there's a lot of,

01:21:42 --> 01:21:45

you know, non star faces in every movie

01:21:45 --> 01:21:47

you see. There has to be. You can't

01:21:47 --> 01:21:49

have a handsome mailman, for example. You can't

01:21:49 --> 01:21:52

have there's gotta be a regular dude. Yeah.

01:21:52 --> 01:21:54

You know, at a cash register or something

01:21:54 --> 01:21:56

like that in those scenes. So those guys

01:21:56 --> 01:21:58

are usually taken, we're we're not thinking about

01:21:58 --> 01:21:58

them.

01:21:59 --> 01:22:00

I wanna ask you about a couple more

01:22:00 --> 01:22:01

stories,

01:22:03 --> 01:22:06

Great Muslim American road trip.

01:22:07 --> 01:22:09

Alright. What what is that all about? Okay.

01:22:09 --> 01:22:11

That's a film that your audience should really

01:22:11 --> 01:22:12

watch. It's a 3 part film. It was

01:22:12 --> 01:22:14

on PBS, not this last summer, but the

01:22:14 --> 01:22:15

sum not summer before.

01:22:16 --> 01:22:16

Mhmm.

01:22:17 --> 01:22:17

It's,

01:22:18 --> 01:22:19

a story. It's,

01:22:21 --> 01:22:23

some of your audience may know Mona Hyder,

01:22:24 --> 01:22:24

the rap singer.

01:22:25 --> 01:22:26

Okay. I'm familiar with the name, but I

01:22:26 --> 01:22:28

can't remember who she is. Yeah. Yeah. She's

01:22:28 --> 01:22:29

Syrian,

01:22:29 --> 01:22:30

American. She's,

01:22:31 --> 01:22:34

she's produced a number of Muslim oriented rap

01:22:34 --> 01:22:35

songs.

01:22:35 --> 01:22:38

Okay. And her and her husband, Sebastian Robbins,

01:22:38 --> 01:22:41

who's a convert. Okay. They they take a,

01:22:42 --> 01:22:43

trip along

01:22:43 --> 01:22:44

Route 66.

01:22:45 --> 01:22:45

Like

01:22:47 --> 01:22:48

cars? The car. Yeah. Car trip. Yeah. And

01:22:48 --> 01:22:51

they find the American Muslim story

01:22:51 --> 01:22:54

along that most American of routes. You wouldn't

01:22:54 --> 01:22:54

think

01:22:55 --> 01:22:56

that on this iconic

01:22:56 --> 01:22:58

American route, there'd be anything to do with

01:22:58 --> 01:23:02

Islam. Yeah. But just about every mile, there's

01:23:02 --> 01:23:02

something

01:23:03 --> 01:23:04

related to Muslims,

01:23:04 --> 01:23:06

that they discover. That's an example of a

01:23:06 --> 01:23:08

very tough film, by the way. There's a

01:23:08 --> 01:23:09

lot of discovery that happens.

01:23:11 --> 01:23:11

Over those,

01:23:12 --> 01:23:12

everything

01:23:14 --> 01:23:17

from blues, you know, the origins of the

01:23:17 --> 01:23:18

blues and jazz,

01:23:19 --> 01:23:19

to

01:23:22 --> 01:23:23

a Muslim who

01:23:24 --> 01:23:25

40 years after Columbus

01:23:26 --> 01:23:28

Mhmm. Was the first person

01:23:28 --> 01:23:29

to lead a group,

01:23:30 --> 01:23:31

across the southwest

01:23:32 --> 01:23:35

and map out that thing Wow. In the

01:23:35 --> 01:23:36

area *. Including

01:23:37 --> 01:23:38

a Muslim who

01:23:39 --> 01:23:42

was responsible for mapping out the last 2

01:23:43 --> 01:23:43

two

01:23:44 --> 01:23:48

two, states of Route 66. Route 66 itself

01:23:48 --> 01:23:50

owes itself to a Muslim. Wow. So that's

01:23:50 --> 01:23:52

like the discovery over and over in this

01:23:52 --> 01:23:54

film. And it's it's got music in it.

01:23:54 --> 01:23:55

It's very upbeat.

01:23:56 --> 01:23:57

We made it to appeal to a younger

01:23:57 --> 01:23:58

audience.

01:23:58 --> 01:24:00

So it's it's a very good film. So

01:24:00 --> 01:24:01

when you do those,

01:24:02 --> 01:24:03

you just gotta be ready to improvise because

01:24:03 --> 01:24:06

you never know what's gonna happen. Right? And

01:24:06 --> 01:24:07

I remember

01:24:07 --> 01:24:08

one documentary

01:24:09 --> 01:24:09

about a guy

01:24:10 --> 01:24:11

who was

01:24:12 --> 01:24:13

charged with murder.

01:24:15 --> 01:24:16

And then

01:24:16 --> 01:24:17

in the middle of the documentary,

01:24:19 --> 01:24:21

there was a mic left on him

01:24:22 --> 01:24:23

accidentally on,

01:24:25 --> 01:24:26

and he's talking to himself.

01:24:27 --> 01:24:27

And

01:24:28 --> 01:24:29

in the talking to himself, he says to

01:24:29 --> 01:24:31

himself, well, what if they ask you if

01:24:31 --> 01:24:33

you did it? He said, just tell him

01:24:33 --> 01:24:34

I did it. Actually, no. You can't say

01:24:34 --> 01:24:36

I did it. And he's talking to himself.

01:24:37 --> 01:24:39

So these guys are putting the movie together,

01:24:40 --> 01:24:42

and his mic is left on, like, weeks

01:24:42 --> 01:24:44

later because the post production takes a long

01:24:44 --> 01:24:44

time.

01:24:45 --> 01:24:46

The guy admitted

01:24:47 --> 01:24:48

to doing it. And that was used in

01:24:48 --> 01:24:49

court,

01:24:49 --> 01:24:53

used against him. So talk about these types

01:24:53 --> 01:24:53

of

01:24:54 --> 01:24:56

on the go improvising. You never know what

01:24:56 --> 01:24:57

you're gonna come upon. You can come upon

01:24:57 --> 01:24:58

something totally crazy.

01:24:59 --> 01:25:01

Right? And that just takes the movie through

01:25:01 --> 01:25:01

the roof.

01:25:02 --> 01:25:03

Oh, yeah. I mean, that's,

01:25:04 --> 01:25:06

that's a big part of it. And also

01:25:06 --> 01:25:06

just,

01:25:09 --> 01:25:11

you know, I mean, if you think about

01:25:11 --> 01:25:14

it, we on that particular film, we traveled

01:25:14 --> 01:25:16

3,000 miles. Wow.

01:25:16 --> 01:25:19

So think of all the things that can

01:25:19 --> 01:25:21

happen on a 3,000 mile trip. Yeah.

01:25:22 --> 01:25:24

When you have cameras and people and, you

01:25:24 --> 01:25:25

know,

01:25:25 --> 01:25:27

so and so forth and Batteries and all

01:25:27 --> 01:25:30

that. Yeah. Getting set up and Mhmm. Breaking

01:25:30 --> 01:25:32

down and getting getting to a place at

01:25:32 --> 01:25:34

a reasonable hour to get a, you know,

01:25:34 --> 01:25:36

a night's sleep before you Yeah. Early next

01:25:36 --> 01:25:38

morning on your road again. Did you actually

01:25:38 --> 01:25:40

go with them too? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

01:25:40 --> 01:25:40

That's right.

01:25:41 --> 01:25:42

Route 66,

01:25:42 --> 01:25:44

where does it start again? It's in Chicago.

01:25:44 --> 01:25:47

Okay. And goes to Los Angeles.

01:25:47 --> 01:25:48

So it's

01:25:49 --> 01:25:52

diagonal like this. It go yeah. It goes

01:25:52 --> 01:25:52

down,

01:25:53 --> 01:25:55

cuts across the Texas Panhandle,

01:25:55 --> 01:25:57

and then and then begins to move up

01:25:57 --> 01:25:59

until it hits LA. Oh, so it actually

01:25:59 --> 01:26:02

goes very steep south first and then it

01:26:02 --> 01:26:04

goes across. Yes. Yes. Okay. So that's why

01:26:04 --> 01:26:06

in cars, he ends up in that New

01:26:06 --> 01:26:07

Mexico area.

01:26:07 --> 01:26:11

Yes. Yes. Okay. Good. Well, ladies and gentlemen,

01:26:12 --> 01:26:14

try it. You can get a filming of

01:26:15 --> 01:26:16

Lemia's poem.

01:26:17 --> 01:26:19

Go to UPF dot TV.

01:26:19 --> 01:26:21

This was Alex Kronemer, the founder

01:26:22 --> 01:26:23

co founder his

01:26:24 --> 01:26:24

partner is,

01:26:26 --> 01:26:28

Michael Wolf. Maybe that's someone else we should

01:26:28 --> 01:26:28

have on.

01:26:29 --> 01:26:32

But Michael Wolf is a writer. Alex Kronemer

01:26:32 --> 01:26:33

is,

01:26:34 --> 01:26:37

a cofounder of this, former journalist, now turned

01:26:37 --> 01:26:38

into filmmaker.

01:26:38 --> 01:26:40

These are some of them are documentaries you

01:26:40 --> 01:26:42

see here, and some of them are actual

01:26:42 --> 01:26:44

full fledged movies. And now you have an

01:26:44 --> 01:26:45

animated production.

01:26:45 --> 01:26:47

So always exciting stuff coming out of UPF,

01:26:47 --> 01:26:49

but always top quality.

01:26:49 --> 01:26:51

And we really thank you for coming on.

01:26:51 --> 01:26:52

And It's gonna be

01:26:53 --> 01:26:54

We're gonna have

01:26:55 --> 01:26:57

a showing of Lemmy's poem,

01:26:57 --> 01:27:00

here in New Jersey, and we'll announce that

01:27:00 --> 01:27:01

and people could come through to that.

01:27:02 --> 01:27:04

So, thank you, God, for coming on.

01:27:04 --> 01:27:05

Thank you. You're welcome.

01:27:07 --> 01:27:08

Thanks a lot.

01:27:09 --> 01:27:11

There you have it, folks. You know, we're

01:27:11 --> 01:27:12

always into the arts. I'm always into the

01:27:12 --> 01:27:15

arts, and I'm always into health and fitness

01:27:16 --> 01:27:18

and these types of things. And

01:27:21 --> 01:27:23

this this organization

01:27:23 --> 01:27:23

is

01:27:24 --> 01:27:25

probably,

01:27:26 --> 01:27:27

I would say, the best in

01:27:28 --> 01:27:30

film production because they've been consistent too. There's

01:27:30 --> 01:27:32

a lot of people come out with 1

01:27:32 --> 01:27:33

or 2 things,

01:27:33 --> 01:27:35

and then they they stop.

01:27:36 --> 01:27:36

But,

01:27:37 --> 01:27:38

UPF is very consistent,

01:27:39 --> 01:27:41

and it's consistent because it has leadership. That's

01:27:41 --> 01:27:41

why.

01:27:42 --> 01:27:43

Committed leadership.

01:27:43 --> 01:27:45

So let's take a look at,

01:27:49 --> 01:27:51

let's take a look at some of the

01:27:51 --> 01:27:52

comments and questions here.

01:27:53 --> 01:27:56

Farhan never heard the name Lemya before. That's

01:27:56 --> 01:27:57

pretty it's a pretty popular name

01:27:58 --> 01:28:00

between Morocco and Shem.

01:28:18 --> 01:28:20

Alright. We can take some general questions for

01:28:20 --> 01:28:22

a few minutes, and then we're gonna bounce

01:28:22 --> 01:28:23

and we'll be back.

01:28:24 --> 01:28:26

Today's Thursday. Right, Owen? Oh, Jake. Getting a

01:28:26 --> 01:28:28

kid. Lost track of the daisies.

01:28:28 --> 01:28:30

How do I respect my parents?

01:28:31 --> 01:28:33

They're I always forget. Well,

01:28:35 --> 01:28:36

when a person

01:28:37 --> 01:28:38

is good on their prayer,

01:28:39 --> 01:28:40

then Allah

01:28:41 --> 01:28:43

reminds them and he sends them

01:28:44 --> 01:28:46

reminders. So I would say,

01:28:47 --> 01:28:48

be good with your prayer

01:28:50 --> 01:28:52

and Allah will send you reminders of everything.

01:28:52 --> 01:28:54

But, ultimately, why don't you study it too?

01:28:54 --> 01:28:56

Why don't you get a book?

01:28:56 --> 01:28:57

There's a book

01:28:58 --> 01:28:59

called The Rights of Parents.

01:29:00 --> 01:29:02

Let's take let's get another photo, Omar. That

01:29:02 --> 01:29:03

photo's a bit

01:29:04 --> 01:29:05

no good. Let's get another one.

01:29:07 --> 01:29:08

Omar's making the thumbnail as you all know,

01:29:08 --> 01:29:10

and I get to watch him make the

01:29:10 --> 01:29:10

thumbnail.

01:29:11 --> 01:29:12

I gotta make sure I look good in

01:29:12 --> 01:29:15

these thumbnails. At least decent. At least decent.

01:29:17 --> 01:29:17

The go back?

01:29:19 --> 01:29:22

Yeah. That not close. Click around 10 seconds

01:29:22 --> 01:29:23

before or after that.

01:29:30 --> 01:29:32

The other angle. Do the other angle

01:29:32 --> 01:29:35

Facing the other side. Yeah. There that facing

01:29:35 --> 01:29:36

that side is better.

01:29:38 --> 01:29:40

Yeah. I I guess that's my good side.

01:29:40 --> 01:29:41

Or the front is fine too.

01:29:43 --> 01:29:45

Yeah. It works. That's good. Where is this

01:29:45 --> 01:29:46

shawl from?

01:29:47 --> 01:29:48

It was a gift.

01:29:48 --> 01:29:50

But if you want shawls,

01:29:51 --> 01:29:53

Yemeni threads is your place to go.

01:29:53 --> 01:29:54

Go to ww.yemanythreads.com.

01:29:58 --> 01:30:00

Is there a spiritual treatment for anxiety? Allah

01:30:00 --> 01:30:02

Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala says

01:30:04 --> 01:30:06

verily by the remembrance of Allah, hearts find

01:30:06 --> 01:30:08

tranquility. What's the greatest remembrance of Allah? Tawba.

01:30:09 --> 01:30:12

Tawba from sins. What's the next greatest remembrance

01:30:12 --> 01:30:13

of Allah? Equal to that

01:30:15 --> 01:30:15

is salah.

01:30:17 --> 01:30:19

100%. There's no discussion. No doubt about it.

01:30:19 --> 01:30:19

The prayer.

01:30:20 --> 01:30:21

You gotta observe a salah.

01:30:23 --> 01:30:23

The topical

01:30:24 --> 01:30:26

face products need to be the if

01:30:27 --> 01:30:29

they have animal products? No. Because

01:30:29 --> 01:30:30

will have occurred there.

01:30:32 --> 01:30:34

Complete transformation of the essence. So you don't

01:30:34 --> 01:30:36

have to worry about that.

01:30:40 --> 01:30:42

Should Bangladesh be considered a Hanafa?

01:30:45 --> 01:30:47

When will Arcview registrations

01:30:47 --> 01:30:48

reopen?

01:30:49 --> 01:30:50

Maybe 2 weeks.

01:30:52 --> 01:30:54

What is the minimum standard someone to be

01:30:54 --> 01:30:57

practicing? What's praying 5 times a day,

01:30:57 --> 01:30:59

not doing sins in public like having a

01:30:59 --> 01:31:03

liquor store or working in an industry that's

01:31:03 --> 01:31:03

forbidden,

01:31:06 --> 01:31:07

and your external,

01:31:08 --> 01:31:09

the first thing we that

01:31:10 --> 01:31:12

requires from us is the external, the actions

01:31:12 --> 01:31:12

of your body.

01:31:14 --> 01:31:16

And then we work on the internal.

01:31:19 --> 01:31:20

Allah states

01:31:21 --> 01:31:23

Allah does not charge a soul more than

01:31:23 --> 01:31:24

they can bear.

01:31:27 --> 01:31:27

Okay.

01:31:28 --> 01:31:30

Because the Sahaba asked Allah

01:31:30 --> 01:31:32

not to charge them with what

01:31:32 --> 01:31:33

they cannot bear

01:31:34 --> 01:31:35

and what is that meaning?

01:31:35 --> 01:31:37

The the meaning of

01:31:37 --> 01:31:39

that is that in the beginning,

01:31:41 --> 01:31:41

Allah says

01:31:47 --> 01:31:48

If you

01:31:49 --> 01:31:51

do something or you hide it in your

01:31:51 --> 01:31:53

heart, Allah takes you account for it. So

01:31:53 --> 01:31:55

the Sahaba said, oh, Allah, we can't control

01:31:55 --> 01:31:58

our hearts. Sometimes our hearts, we say to

01:31:58 --> 01:32:00

ourselves terrible things. Bad thoughts cross our mind

01:32:00 --> 01:32:01

all the time.

01:32:02 --> 01:32:03

So then the Sahaba

01:32:03 --> 01:32:04

prayed

01:32:11 --> 01:32:13

Oh, Allah, don't take us to account on

01:32:13 --> 01:32:15

something we can't control.

01:32:17 --> 01:32:18

You can't control,

01:32:19 --> 01:32:20

your thoughts.

01:32:20 --> 01:32:22

So then Allah, subhanahu wa ta'ala,

01:32:24 --> 01:32:26

remove that that charge,

01:32:27 --> 01:32:28

that charge that he would take you to

01:32:28 --> 01:32:30

account for your thoughts, that's been removed.

01:32:31 --> 01:32:33

Allah does not take us to account for

01:32:33 --> 01:32:34

merely for our thoughts.

01:32:35 --> 01:32:37

Except if you dwell upon them and it's

01:32:37 --> 01:32:39

a filthy thought, that's discouraged.

01:32:40 --> 01:32:42

However, dwelling upon a thought oftentimes

01:32:43 --> 01:32:45

will produce an action. It will become an

01:32:45 --> 01:32:46

action. So you have to be careful with

01:32:46 --> 01:32:49

that. That. Joseph David says, what is the

01:32:49 --> 01:32:50

position in in

01:32:53 --> 01:32:54

extreme territories?

01:32:57 --> 01:32:59

You fought you're gonna pray

01:32:59 --> 01:33:00

according to the most,

01:33:03 --> 01:33:06

nearest city that prays normal prayers.

01:33:07 --> 01:33:09

So let's say you go to the what

01:33:09 --> 01:33:10

do they call it? The polar night, I

01:33:10 --> 01:33:11

believe,

01:33:11 --> 01:33:12

in Norway

01:33:13 --> 01:33:15

where the sun sets and doesn't rise until

01:33:15 --> 01:33:16

3 months later.

01:33:17 --> 01:33:20

So what do they do? They they have

01:33:20 --> 01:33:22

artificial clocks, obviously. They have clocks. They have

01:33:22 --> 01:33:23

phones.

01:33:23 --> 01:33:25

And so it'll be, like, 2 in the

01:33:25 --> 01:33:27

afternoon, and it's, like, pitch black.

01:33:27 --> 01:33:29

So if you're a Muslim and you live

01:33:29 --> 01:33:30

there, you're gonna

01:33:31 --> 01:33:34

pray according to the next nearest city that

01:33:34 --> 01:33:34

prays.

01:33:35 --> 01:33:37

So I guess maybe you would go to

01:33:37 --> 01:33:39

Oslo or something where they pray all 5

01:33:39 --> 01:33:40

prayers,

01:33:40 --> 01:33:42

and you go according to that. And some

01:33:42 --> 01:33:44

have said you go according to Mecca, whatever

01:33:44 --> 01:33:45

it is.

01:33:45 --> 01:33:48

You you calculate it artificially, and you pray

01:33:48 --> 01:33:49

on time.

01:33:50 --> 01:33:52

My daughter is in HIF school.

01:33:52 --> 01:33:54

She turns 16 next month.

01:33:57 --> 01:33:59

What is the next move after she is

01:33:59 --> 01:34:00

done in 2 years?

01:34:02 --> 01:34:03

Well, in terms of the hips,

01:34:04 --> 01:34:05

you still are gonna do the the the

01:34:05 --> 01:34:07

do you do a second hips or a

01:34:07 --> 01:34:09

review, whatever you wanna however you wanna do

01:34:09 --> 01:34:11

it. Some people do a full second hips.

01:34:11 --> 01:34:12

In other words, they start over and do

01:34:12 --> 01:34:14

it again, or they just do a review.

01:34:15 --> 01:34:18

Every other day, recite a to the or

01:34:18 --> 01:34:19

half a.

01:34:20 --> 01:34:22

That's actually more important

01:34:23 --> 01:34:25

than actually the

01:34:25 --> 01:34:27

just doing the hips because otherwise, you can

01:34:27 --> 01:34:28

really lose it quick.

01:34:30 --> 01:34:32

What if someone is confused about different Islamic

01:34:33 --> 01:34:36

schools? Each has its own evidence. Each so

01:34:36 --> 01:34:38

certainty is hard. Belief can't just be about

01:34:38 --> 01:34:40

picking what you like. Right? So

01:34:41 --> 01:34:43

for this for Abdul Latif or Ihabid El

01:34:43 --> 01:34:44

Lotfi, sorry,

01:34:45 --> 01:34:47

the answer to that is that a common

01:34:47 --> 01:34:49

Muslim is not bound or charged

01:34:51 --> 01:34:53

to know these things. All you have to

01:34:53 --> 01:34:54

know is that

01:34:56 --> 01:34:58

Allah, you obviously believe in Allah and his

01:34:58 --> 01:35:00

messenger and there is none like unto Allah,

01:35:00 --> 01:35:02

and he's the creator of all things and

01:35:02 --> 01:35:05

these basic fundamentals. Now if you are curious

01:35:05 --> 01:35:07

and you're someone who wants to know the

01:35:07 --> 01:35:09

answer and I need to know this, then

01:35:09 --> 01:35:11

you don't study issue by issue. You studied

01:35:12 --> 01:35:13

the the scholars

01:35:13 --> 01:35:16

until you determine which scholar is most worthy

01:35:16 --> 01:35:17

of following.

01:35:19 --> 01:35:21

And then you you start to learn from

01:35:21 --> 01:35:23

them. And we can talk about living and,

01:35:23 --> 01:35:25

more importantly, the debt.

01:35:25 --> 01:35:27

So if it was madhhabs of Islamic law,

01:35:27 --> 01:35:30

you're not gonna study the Maliki rulings and

01:35:30 --> 01:35:32

the Hanafi rulings and the Shafi'i rulings. That's

01:35:32 --> 01:35:34

not how it works. You're gonna study

01:35:35 --> 01:35:36

Imam Abu Hanifa,

01:35:36 --> 01:35:37

his biography

01:35:38 --> 01:35:39

and his methodology.

01:35:39 --> 01:35:42

Malik, his biography and his methodology. Shafi'i and

01:35:42 --> 01:35:44

Ahmed. And then you're gonna decide. Why do

01:35:44 --> 01:35:46

we cap it off at those 4? Those

01:35:46 --> 01:35:47

are the only 4 whose

01:35:47 --> 01:35:50

schools are still alive with a tradition of

01:35:50 --> 01:35:50

people

01:35:51 --> 01:35:53

still teaching it and preserving and making sure

01:35:54 --> 01:35:56

that they're transmitting what in fact that said

01:35:57 --> 01:35:58

in methodology and in,

01:35:59 --> 01:36:00

the actual rulings.

01:36:01 --> 01:36:02

So so you do the same in.

01:36:06 --> 01:36:07

And in Akida,

01:36:08 --> 01:36:09

you may study,

01:36:09 --> 01:36:13

the the the major theologian theologians of the

01:36:13 --> 01:36:14

school. You may study

01:36:14 --> 01:36:16

his life and his methodology.

01:36:17 --> 01:36:18

And say, yes. He's worthy of following. You

01:36:18 --> 01:36:19

may study.

01:36:20 --> 01:36:21

There's not much about his biography,

01:36:22 --> 01:36:25

but when it comes to his his works,

01:36:25 --> 01:36:28

there's plenty to study and plenty to read.

01:36:28 --> 01:36:29

And so,

01:36:30 --> 01:36:31

to me, imam in Noahi

01:36:32 --> 01:36:33

is almost like

01:36:34 --> 01:36:36

in in right after the 4 imams from

01:36:36 --> 01:36:38

the most agreed upon,

01:36:38 --> 01:36:39

safest,

01:36:39 --> 01:36:40

most accurate

01:36:41 --> 01:36:42

scholars, simplest to read,

01:36:43 --> 01:36:46

but also copious in or or I should

01:36:46 --> 01:36:46

say,

01:36:50 --> 01:36:51

the amount of output

01:36:53 --> 01:36:54

prolific, I should say.

01:36:55 --> 01:36:55

Right? Prolific,

01:36:56 --> 01:36:57

but yet simple

01:36:58 --> 01:37:01

and accurate and connected to the sources as,

01:37:02 --> 01:37:04

and yet he came later. So he is

01:37:04 --> 01:37:05

exposed to other.

01:37:06 --> 01:37:08

He's exposed to a lot of issues.

01:37:09 --> 01:37:12

It's Imam An Nawawi. Hasharha Muslim, he wrote

01:37:12 --> 01:37:12

when he was

01:37:13 --> 01:37:14

very early on,

01:37:15 --> 01:37:16

very early on.

01:37:17 --> 01:37:18

Don't rely upon his

01:37:18 --> 01:37:20

Sharha Muslim for their.

01:37:21 --> 01:37:23

They rely on his fitbooks for the.

01:37:23 --> 01:37:24

So if you see Shafi

01:37:25 --> 01:37:28

opinions there, you're better off double checking it

01:37:29 --> 01:37:30

in, the Shafi'i fiq

01:37:31 --> 01:37:33

manuals. That and he wrote the one. He

01:37:33 --> 01:37:34

wrote the book

01:37:35 --> 01:37:36

in Shafaifik,

01:37:37 --> 01:37:39

this big. His shahar have Muslim is this

01:37:39 --> 01:37:41

big and shahar have Muslim, his first source

01:37:41 --> 01:37:44

was the Madaki scholar, Kaja Ayat, in in

01:37:45 --> 01:37:46

he he took from him first.

01:37:47 --> 01:37:49

And he always says. He

01:37:49 --> 01:37:50

wrote that when he was very young,

01:37:51 --> 01:37:53

and he never had to retract anything or

01:37:53 --> 01:37:56

take anything back. Just goes to show how

01:37:56 --> 01:37:58

accurate he was from his youth and how

01:37:58 --> 01:38:00

prolific he was from his youth.

01:38:01 --> 01:38:03

He was beyond gifted. He was like genius

01:38:03 --> 01:38:04

level.

01:38:04 --> 01:38:06

He never married. He died very young. I

01:38:06 --> 01:38:08

think he died at 45, believe it or

01:38:08 --> 01:38:09

not. He had no no

01:38:10 --> 01:38:10

family.

01:38:11 --> 01:38:14

So day night, he taught at his school,

01:38:15 --> 01:38:15

and he wrote

01:38:16 --> 01:38:18

day night. And he died at 45. He

01:38:18 --> 01:38:19

has an output of work.

01:38:21 --> 01:38:23

People, if they live 90 years, won't produce

01:38:23 --> 01:38:24

that.

01:38:27 --> 01:38:30

How are the Suras' names, says Helena Akhtar?

01:38:30 --> 01:38:31

Good question.

01:38:32 --> 01:38:33

The Suras were named by the prophet

01:38:34 --> 01:38:35

or

01:38:35 --> 01:38:36

by,

01:38:37 --> 01:38:38

the next generation.

01:38:41 --> 01:38:43

Or they have come to him in news

01:38:44 --> 01:38:44

from,

01:38:44 --> 01:38:46

I guess, main Jibril.

01:38:47 --> 01:38:49

For example, how did the prophet know about

01:38:50 --> 01:38:52

the reward of reciting

01:38:53 --> 01:38:55

and Al Imran come in the form

01:38:55 --> 01:38:56

of birds?

01:38:59 --> 01:39:01

Giving you shade on the day of judgment

01:39:01 --> 01:39:03

and but also pointing you in the right

01:39:03 --> 01:39:03

direction.

01:39:04 --> 01:39:04

Clearly,

01:39:05 --> 01:39:06

told him that. Right?

01:39:16 --> 01:39:18

Do you know Sheikh Abu Bakr Mosselliar, I

01:39:18 --> 01:39:20

believe of Kerala, India. I believe I met

01:39:20 --> 01:39:21

him once he came here.

01:39:22 --> 01:39:24

What is the Islamic view of law of

01:39:24 --> 01:39:25

attraction and manifestation?

01:39:27 --> 01:39:29

There's only one thing that they say that

01:39:29 --> 01:39:30

I believe is actually

01:39:30 --> 01:39:31

just

01:39:31 --> 01:39:34

good human advice, which is just to be

01:39:34 --> 01:39:35

constantly optimistic

01:39:36 --> 01:39:38

and persistent in seeking your goals.

01:39:38 --> 01:39:39

Beyond that,

01:39:39 --> 01:39:40

we

01:39:41 --> 01:39:41

we don't,

01:39:43 --> 01:39:43

charge ourselves

01:39:44 --> 01:39:46

with having to attract anything. We have a

01:39:46 --> 01:39:48

faster route to that. They'll make you not

01:39:48 --> 01:39:50

have to worry, which is,

01:39:50 --> 01:39:51

through Dua.

01:39:52 --> 01:39:54

The law of attraction is extremely stressful.

01:39:54 --> 01:39:56

You gotta constantly meditate about the thing, constantly

01:39:56 --> 01:39:59

think about the thing, and imagine yourself as

01:39:59 --> 01:40:02

some power that's attracting. We don't really do

01:40:02 --> 01:40:05

this. We're our methodology is yeah. In terms

01:40:05 --> 01:40:05

of

01:40:06 --> 01:40:08

the doctrine of taking the means,

01:40:08 --> 01:40:11

al akhdubil asbab, taking the means.

01:40:11 --> 01:40:14

Common sensically, I can't take the means if

01:40:14 --> 01:40:15

I'm not thinking about it. Right?

01:40:16 --> 01:40:17

If I'm not emotionally

01:40:18 --> 01:40:19

attached

01:40:19 --> 01:40:21

to something and connected

01:40:21 --> 01:40:23

to something, I'm not gonna work hard for

01:40:23 --> 01:40:25

it. So that's sort of also a commonsensical

01:40:25 --> 01:40:28

observation that we would agree is you have

01:40:28 --> 01:40:30

to be emotionally involved with something

01:40:30 --> 01:40:32

in order for you to

01:40:32 --> 01:40:34

to to keep going,

01:40:34 --> 01:40:36

to keep working at it, and to leave

01:40:36 --> 01:40:36

no stone unturned.

01:40:37 --> 01:40:40

But other than that, the main portion that

01:40:40 --> 01:40:41

we have to separate from is we don't

01:40:41 --> 01:40:44

rely upon ourselves. And this is makes us

01:40:44 --> 01:40:44

relax.

01:40:45 --> 01:40:47

I gotta work. I gotta do the work.

01:40:47 --> 01:40:49

I gotta want it. But

01:40:56 --> 01:40:57

and take the place

01:40:58 --> 01:41:00

of 1,000 of hours of

01:41:00 --> 01:41:03

me imagining and meditating and I'm attracting and

01:41:03 --> 01:41:05

I'm manifesting. This is all magical thinking

01:41:05 --> 01:41:07

that comes upon a people when their economy

01:41:07 --> 01:41:07

sticks.

01:41:08 --> 01:41:09

This is a fact.

01:41:10 --> 01:41:12

When the economy of a people starts collapsing,

01:41:12 --> 01:41:15

they fall into racial tensions and magical thinking.

01:41:15 --> 01:41:17

Racial tension because they gotta blame somebody.

01:41:18 --> 01:41:20

And magical thinking because there's no actual

01:41:21 --> 01:41:23

work being done anymore.

01:41:23 --> 01:41:24

Right?

01:41:24 --> 01:41:26

Show me this nonsense and then in the

01:41:26 --> 01:41:28

fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties. No. The people worked.

01:41:28 --> 01:41:29

You had opportunities.

01:41:34 --> 01:41:35

And magical thinking.

01:41:36 --> 01:41:38

Right? I gotta meditate my way to money.

01:41:38 --> 01:41:40

Not gonna work. You're gonna work your way

01:41:40 --> 01:41:42

to money. But I I again, I do

01:41:42 --> 01:41:43

recognize the and they don't always say that.

01:41:43 --> 01:41:46

They do say that you gotta work. But

01:41:46 --> 01:41:47

point being is that,

01:41:49 --> 01:41:51

aside from 1 or 2 things

01:41:52 --> 01:41:54

that that are sound observations,

01:41:56 --> 01:41:58

we don't need any much of it beyond

01:41:58 --> 01:41:59

that.

01:42:01 --> 01:42:04

Hassan Farhan Al Maliki. What's your opinion? Never

01:42:04 --> 01:42:05

heard of him.

01:42:05 --> 01:42:07

Never heard of him. Hasan Farhan Al Maliki.

01:42:07 --> 01:42:08

Never heard of him.

01:42:09 --> 01:42:11

That doesn't mean anything because if I haven't

01:42:11 --> 01:42:12

heard of him, but we could look him

01:42:12 --> 01:42:14

up. Which why are you asking for?

01:42:14 --> 01:42:16

Why is he asking about Hassan Farhan and

01:42:16 --> 01:42:17

Mariki? Let's see. Maybe he has some good

01:42:17 --> 01:42:19

videos, good books on Mariki Fakk.

01:42:20 --> 01:42:20

Bismillah.

01:42:22 --> 01:42:22

Hassan

01:42:23 --> 01:42:23

Farhan.

01:42:26 --> 01:42:26

Oh,

01:42:27 --> 01:42:30

Hassan Farhan and Madik is a Saudi religious

01:42:30 --> 01:42:32

reformist thinker who was

01:42:34 --> 01:42:35

arrested, put on

01:42:35 --> 01:42:37

trial, arrested for a number of reasons. His

01:42:37 --> 01:42:39

opinion about the veracity of certain sayings attributed

01:42:39 --> 01:42:40

to the prophet

01:42:42 --> 01:42:44

He was his criticism

01:42:45 --> 01:42:48

of 7th century Islamic figures, which are what?

01:42:48 --> 01:42:49

Sahaba?

01:42:50 --> 01:42:52

Insulting the country's rulers

01:42:53 --> 01:42:55

and describing them as extremists,

01:42:56 --> 01:42:57

supporters of ISIS.

01:42:58 --> 01:42:58

He praises

01:42:59 --> 01:43:01

Hezbollah. This has nothing to do with.

01:43:01 --> 01:43:02

It's just his name.

01:43:03 --> 01:43:06

I'm sitting there, like, wondering if he's, they're

01:43:06 --> 01:43:08

gonna benefit from him. No. I have nothing

01:43:08 --> 01:43:09

to do with this stuff.

01:43:11 --> 01:43:13

Yeah. No. I'm sitting here thinking,

01:43:16 --> 01:43:18

And, man, if you like, yes,

01:43:20 --> 01:43:21

Yeah. I mean, it has nothing to do

01:43:21 --> 01:43:22

with.

01:43:26 --> 01:43:28

What's the way of getting rid of laziness

01:43:28 --> 01:43:29

and was was?

01:43:29 --> 01:43:30

Well, start picturing,

01:43:31 --> 01:43:33

goals that you want. Reward.

01:43:34 --> 01:43:35

What does the Quran move us? How does

01:43:35 --> 01:43:37

the Quran move us? Reward

01:43:38 --> 01:43:40

and harms. Benefit and harms. So you have

01:43:40 --> 01:43:41

to and this is one thing they're good

01:43:41 --> 01:43:44

at these law of attraction types is visualization.

01:43:45 --> 01:43:47

Yeah. And what is that's that's a natural

01:43:47 --> 01:43:48

thing. So some of the things they're saying

01:43:48 --> 01:43:50

are just natural observations.

01:43:50 --> 01:43:52

The more you visualize a reward, the more

01:43:52 --> 01:43:54

you'll be happy. You'll work for it. You

01:43:54 --> 01:43:55

get excited for it. That you need to

01:43:55 --> 01:43:57

visualize yourself some rewards.

01:43:59 --> 01:44:00

If I pray,

01:44:00 --> 01:44:02

does it have to be out loud? You

01:44:02 --> 01:44:03

gotta pray the the

01:44:03 --> 01:44:04

exactly

01:44:05 --> 01:44:05

how you,

01:44:07 --> 01:44:09

how you missed it.

01:44:09 --> 01:44:12

So if it's if you're doing of Aisha,

01:44:12 --> 01:44:13

you do it out loud even if you're

01:44:13 --> 01:44:15

doing it in the middle of the day.

01:44:24 --> 01:44:27

What is Jamati Islam? No clue. I think

01:44:27 --> 01:44:29

it's a group from Pakistan, but I don't

01:44:29 --> 01:44:31

know much about them, to be honest with

01:44:31 --> 01:44:35

you. It's Abu Allah and Maududi's group. ICNA,

01:44:35 --> 01:44:35

basically.

01:44:37 --> 01:44:38

It's their version of that today, but I

01:44:38 --> 01:44:39

don't know much about them, to tell you

01:44:39 --> 01:44:40

the truth.

01:44:41 --> 01:44:43

Someone in the mosque was telling me about,

01:44:43 --> 01:44:45

Jamaatullah Islam. He was saying, basically,

01:44:46 --> 01:44:47

is, people at the mosque would just follow

01:44:47 --> 01:44:48

what the mosque does.

01:44:49 --> 01:44:50

What?

01:44:51 --> 01:44:54

No. Jamati Islami is a is a massive,

01:44:54 --> 01:44:55

massive group.

01:44:56 --> 01:44:56

It's,

01:44:57 --> 01:44:58

led by the,

01:45:01 --> 01:45:02

you know, may Allah have mercy upon him.

01:45:02 --> 01:45:04

And he had a lot of books, and

01:45:04 --> 01:45:06

there those books are found in the Masjid

01:45:06 --> 01:45:06

all the time.

01:45:07 --> 01:45:09

And their group today is. They

01:45:10 --> 01:45:12

do a lot of good work. Good people.

01:45:17 --> 01:45:19

Here's an exam a question. What's your advice

01:45:19 --> 01:45:22

if someone allows or tolerates or participates

01:45:23 --> 01:45:26

in social activities with openly sinful,

01:45:26 --> 01:45:29

disobedient Muslim family, they openly drink smoke

01:45:31 --> 01:45:33

and want kids to be close to that

01:45:33 --> 01:45:33

family?

01:45:34 --> 01:45:36

No. Not if they're doing that stuff. If

01:45:36 --> 01:45:38

you openly do that stuff in your house,

01:45:38 --> 01:45:39

then sorry.

01:45:40 --> 01:45:41

We're not coming to those gatherings.

01:45:43 --> 01:45:46

Sorry to sorry to break it to you.

01:45:46 --> 01:45:47

But if you're openly

01:45:47 --> 01:45:48

drinking,

01:45:52 --> 01:45:54

I have to cut you off.

01:45:54 --> 01:45:56

By the way, the saying about

01:45:56 --> 01:45:56

or

01:45:58 --> 01:45:58

or.

01:45:59 --> 01:46:00

And no, a Muslim doesn't leave his Muslim

01:46:00 --> 01:46:02

brother for 3 days. These are all you

01:46:02 --> 01:46:04

don't abandon your Muslim brother for 3 days

01:46:04 --> 01:46:05

if

01:46:10 --> 01:46:11

if, and

01:46:13 --> 01:46:14

Alright, that's nice.

01:46:14 --> 01:46:15

Colorful.

01:46:15 --> 01:46:17

Really colorful, bro.

01:46:18 --> 01:46:21

That's if you're not allowed to abandon your

01:46:21 --> 01:46:23

brother, Muslim brother for 3 days

01:46:23 --> 01:46:25

on matters of the dunya.

01:46:26 --> 01:46:28

But if it's matters of Dean

01:46:29 --> 01:46:31

right? You guys gotta go? Good.

01:46:34 --> 01:46:36

If it's matters of deen, yes, you can

01:46:36 --> 01:46:37

abandon them.

01:46:38 --> 01:46:39

You can and invitations.

01:46:40 --> 01:46:42

The question about invitations. Muslim cannot,

01:46:43 --> 01:46:45

it must answer the invitation of another Muslim.

01:46:45 --> 01:46:49

Even I've even Mas'ud was invited to wedding

01:46:49 --> 01:46:50

that had a lot of sinfulness in it

01:46:50 --> 01:46:51

and he didn't go and someone asked him

01:46:51 --> 01:46:53

about that hadith. He said, not these. We

01:46:53 --> 01:46:56

weren't commanded to attend these gatherings.

01:47:00 --> 01:47:01

If there's no harm.

01:47:04 --> 01:47:06

But if there's harm and your kids are

01:47:06 --> 01:47:07

now hey,

01:47:07 --> 01:47:09

if you're if there's no harm and your

01:47:09 --> 01:47:12

kids are now exposed to alcohol

01:47:14 --> 01:47:15

no. No.

01:47:15 --> 01:47:16

Go to the colorful one, Omar.

01:47:17 --> 01:47:19

Just free mixing, though. Free mixing. It's AI,

01:47:19 --> 01:47:20

bro.

01:47:21 --> 01:47:23

None of blur it. Just blur it. There's

01:47:23 --> 01:47:25

also a big mosque on the stage. So

01:47:25 --> 01:47:27

how does that make sense? But, anyway, put

01:47:27 --> 01:47:28

that. I like that picture.

01:47:29 --> 01:47:30

It's a mess, but you're gonna blur it

01:47:30 --> 01:47:32

anyway. Right? No. I can't. I don't because

01:47:32 --> 01:47:33

it it

01:47:34 --> 01:47:34

Okay. Yeah.

01:47:36 --> 01:47:37

But we need some that other the other

01:47:37 --> 01:47:39

one was fine too, but it's it's it's,

01:47:39 --> 01:47:40

not colorful.

01:47:42 --> 01:47:44

What what age do you advise

01:47:44 --> 01:47:47

children to be taught to read Arabic by

01:47:47 --> 01:47:47

looking

01:47:48 --> 01:47:49

as soon as they can really?

01:47:50 --> 01:47:52

The the earlier, the better with these things.

01:47:59 --> 01:48:00

Earlier, the better on these things.

01:48:07 --> 01:48:09

What's a how do you find a 1

01:48:09 --> 01:48:10

on 1 hip program for adults on the

01:48:10 --> 01:48:11

northeast?

01:48:12 --> 01:48:15

Are you asking for 1 on 1 online?

01:48:15 --> 01:48:17

That we can find probably, but 1 on

01:48:17 --> 01:48:18

1 in person, that's tough.

01:48:19 --> 01:48:21

Is it permissible to not marry? You can

01:48:21 --> 01:48:24

actually probably ask your local imams and if

01:48:24 --> 01:48:25

they'll come to your home, but you're gonna

01:48:25 --> 01:48:26

have to give them a

01:48:27 --> 01:48:28

a good sum.

01:48:29 --> 01:48:32

Is it permissible to not marry for achieving

01:48:32 --> 01:48:34

some great goal like to be like?

01:48:36 --> 01:48:37

I wouldn't do that in this day and

01:48:37 --> 01:48:39

age. Just too much fitna in this day

01:48:39 --> 01:48:40

and age.

01:48:44 --> 01:48:46

Can I work as a spy in a

01:48:46 --> 01:48:47

non Muslim country?

01:48:58 --> 01:49:00

If they're the enemy, they don't enemies don't

01:49:00 --> 01:49:02

have the same rights. Right?

01:49:03 --> 01:49:03

But

01:49:05 --> 01:49:07

it's a good question. I can't answer that

01:49:07 --> 01:49:08

right away.

01:49:15 --> 01:49:17

You're gonna have to have, you're gonna there

01:49:17 --> 01:49:19

has to be you have to see what

01:49:19 --> 01:49:20

the shitty * says, and I'm sure that

01:49:20 --> 01:49:21

there is some,

01:49:23 --> 01:49:25

there is some kind of,

01:49:26 --> 01:49:28

role for that. Hey. That's a great

01:49:30 --> 01:49:31

thumbnail, Omar.

01:49:31 --> 01:49:33

But take that that

01:49:33 --> 01:49:34

19 twenties

01:49:35 --> 01:49:37

film thingy out of there. Yeah. That doesn't

01:49:37 --> 01:49:38

that doesn't belong there. Yeah.

01:49:42 --> 01:49:45

If the imam of the prayer does a

01:49:45 --> 01:49:45

mistake,

01:49:46 --> 01:49:48

do the people follow him? Yes. They do

01:49:48 --> 01:49:49

accept one mistake,

01:49:49 --> 01:49:50

which is

01:49:51 --> 01:49:52

going up for another raka.

01:49:53 --> 01:49:54

That they don't do. They you stay seated

01:49:54 --> 01:49:55

and you say.

01:49:56 --> 01:49:58

Which one is the lesser evil in politics,

01:49:59 --> 01:50:00

the right or the left?

01:50:02 --> 01:50:03

Pick an STD.

01:50:05 --> 01:50:06

That's the answer to that question.

01:50:07 --> 01:50:08

1

01:50:08 --> 01:50:11

alright. They'll be tolerant of hijab. They'll be

01:50:11 --> 01:50:13

pro some of them pro Palestine, not all

01:50:13 --> 01:50:13

of them.

01:50:14 --> 01:50:15

Some of them pro Palestine.

01:50:16 --> 01:50:17

But the more pro Palestine they are, the

01:50:17 --> 01:50:20

more pro what they are? Like, ridicule.

01:50:21 --> 01:50:23

So where are we gonna go with this?

01:50:23 --> 01:50:24

Right? We can't get too close to this

01:50:24 --> 01:50:24

either.

01:50:25 --> 01:50:25

Right?

01:50:35 --> 01:50:37

I still I'm laughing about allying with these

01:50:37 --> 01:50:39

groups. Are you allying with them in your

01:50:39 --> 01:50:40

imagination?

01:50:40 --> 01:50:43

Like, what do you Muslims have to offer

01:50:43 --> 01:50:45

that's so oh, the Muslims are coming. We

01:50:45 --> 01:50:46

gotta prepare. Right?

01:50:47 --> 01:50:47

No.

01:50:48 --> 01:50:49

It's not like this. It's like

01:50:50 --> 01:50:51

taking crumbs from the table.

01:50:53 --> 01:50:55

Seriously. Maybe in the in the future, Muslim

01:50:55 --> 01:50:58

numbers will be much bigger and there'll be,

01:50:58 --> 01:50:59

you know, a reason,

01:51:00 --> 01:51:02

some kind of a purpose.

01:51:04 --> 01:51:06

Right, or some negotiations that we could do.

01:51:08 --> 01:51:09

No. Is that the final picture, Omar?

01:51:14 --> 01:51:16

No. I like that picture, but why am

01:51:16 --> 01:51:17

I looking sideways like that?

01:51:20 --> 01:51:22

Let's that's good. Is there another option?

01:51:23 --> 01:51:25

Woman says she doesn't ever want her husband

01:51:25 --> 01:51:27

to tell her what to do or where,

01:51:27 --> 01:51:28

and she wants to

01:51:29 --> 01:51:30

do whatever she wants.

01:51:32 --> 01:51:33

Well,

01:51:35 --> 01:51:37

is this in theory or is this actually

01:51:37 --> 01:51:38

has already happened?

01:51:39 --> 01:51:41

Because it says her husband's, meaning her future

01:51:41 --> 01:51:42

husband

01:51:43 --> 01:51:43

or

01:51:44 --> 01:51:45

is this in her in theory?

01:51:47 --> 01:51:49

Well, she has to do what Allah says.

01:51:50 --> 01:51:52

And the husband has to tell her what

01:51:52 --> 01:51:54

Allah says and the husband has to insist

01:51:54 --> 01:51:55

upon

01:51:55 --> 01:51:57

the obligations and prohibitions.

01:51:57 --> 01:52:00

Right? So the husband will only insist upon

01:52:00 --> 01:52:02

what you already know. Right?

01:52:03 --> 01:52:05

That what is halal and haram in in

01:52:05 --> 01:52:07

in whatever she's talking about here. What to

01:52:07 --> 01:52:09

do or where. Right? And if there's a

01:52:09 --> 01:52:11

judgment call, then you have to discuss that.

01:52:13 --> 01:52:14

Alright.

01:52:16 --> 01:52:17

So

01:52:19 --> 01:52:21

the permission to work to work as a

01:52:21 --> 01:52:22

car dealer,

01:52:23 --> 01:52:24

They sell cars on interest

01:52:25 --> 01:52:27

in general. You're allowed to sell something

01:52:27 --> 01:52:30

if they're going to pay for it in

01:52:30 --> 01:52:32

cash or, or by interest. That's not your

01:52:32 --> 01:52:32

business.

01:52:34 --> 01:52:37

What's the Akidah of Imam Malik? Imam Malik

01:52:37 --> 01:52:39

was severe against

01:52:40 --> 01:52:41

the Muqtadia

01:52:41 --> 01:52:42

in Akidah.

01:52:43 --> 01:52:43

Severe.

01:52:44 --> 01:52:46

And he studied with

01:52:46 --> 01:52:48

he had a teacher that he had for

01:52:48 --> 01:52:51

over 30 years that he used to go

01:52:51 --> 01:52:51

to

01:52:53 --> 01:52:55

for 30 years. And that teacher

01:52:56 --> 01:52:58

was a specialist in matters related to,

01:53:00 --> 01:53:01

the heretical groups.

01:53:02 --> 01:53:03

So Maddik was severe against

01:53:04 --> 01:53:05

any

01:53:06 --> 01:53:07

bad feelings,

01:53:07 --> 01:53:08

let alone

01:53:08 --> 01:53:10

bad words against the companions.

01:53:11 --> 01:53:12

Right? Severe against

01:53:13 --> 01:53:15

the emerging, yeah, Tizali,

01:53:15 --> 01:53:15

Kalami,

01:53:16 --> 01:53:17

Martezili

01:53:17 --> 01:53:17

thought

01:53:18 --> 01:53:20

that contradicted clear verses and hadiths.

01:53:21 --> 01:53:23

And he was severe against those who delved

01:53:23 --> 01:53:26

into the Mutashabi hat

01:53:27 --> 01:53:29

as the one who asked Allah to ask

01:53:29 --> 01:53:32

him what is the meaning of his on

01:53:32 --> 01:53:33

the throne.

01:53:34 --> 01:53:35

Right? And he said about it. It's not

01:53:35 --> 01:53:35

Makur.

01:53:36 --> 01:53:38

It's not even something that you're that is

01:53:38 --> 01:53:40

even can be discussed.

01:53:41 --> 01:53:42

So

01:53:43 --> 01:53:45

he just he was very and that's why

01:53:45 --> 01:53:46

as Suptki says,

01:53:47 --> 01:53:48

of all the med hubs,

01:53:49 --> 01:53:51

each med hub did have a small group

01:53:51 --> 01:53:53

of their scholars in their history

01:53:53 --> 01:53:56

go astray on something. So there were Hanafi

01:53:59 --> 01:54:01

and Hanbali Mujassima

01:54:01 --> 01:54:02

and Mushab Beha.

01:54:03 --> 01:54:05

But he says you find none of that

01:54:05 --> 01:54:05

with the Marikis.

01:54:06 --> 01:54:08

They're extremely strict on all these things.

01:54:16 --> 01:54:19

What's the go to fetch book in medici

01:54:19 --> 01:54:21

fit. It's the first one is Khalil and

01:54:21 --> 01:54:23

then the, the after that

01:54:24 --> 01:54:25

Hashe to the Suki.

01:54:26 --> 01:54:28

It's the Suki upon

01:54:29 --> 01:54:29

the upon

01:54:30 --> 01:54:30

Khalil.

01:54:34 --> 01:54:37

Akhtari is one of the beginner books. Yeah.

01:54:37 --> 01:54:40

The beginner books are 3. Ashmaawiya in Egypt

01:54:40 --> 01:54:42

only, they studied that. The west, they don't

01:54:42 --> 01:54:43

know that. In the Maghreb, they don't know

01:54:43 --> 01:54:45

that. But Ashmaawiya,

01:54:46 --> 01:54:46

Akhdari,

01:54:47 --> 01:54:50

Ebna Asher. Those are 3 very popular

01:54:51 --> 01:54:53

beginners books. There's but

01:54:54 --> 01:54:56

it's not as popular as the other 3.

01:54:56 --> 01:54:58

Then after that, you go to but you

01:54:58 --> 01:55:00

have to read with

01:55:01 --> 01:55:02

Asharah

01:55:02 --> 01:55:03

such as Nafrawi.

01:55:04 --> 01:55:05

Why? Because ibn Abi Zaid,

01:55:06 --> 01:55:08

it's the most blessed book in the method.

01:55:08 --> 01:55:10

No doubt about that. Reseda to ibn Abi

01:55:10 --> 01:55:12

Zaid. Some many, many say about it. It's

01:55:12 --> 01:55:13

the most blessed book.

01:55:13 --> 01:55:15

And they but they do say about it

01:55:15 --> 01:55:17

that he does have some things in there

01:55:17 --> 01:55:19

that is contrary to the.

01:55:21 --> 01:55:23

So you need to read it with Nafrawi's

01:55:23 --> 01:55:25

commentary or other

01:55:25 --> 01:55:25

commentary

01:55:26 --> 01:55:27

on it.

01:55:29 --> 01:55:31

And then after that, you read Akram Masedik

01:55:32 --> 01:55:35

by Sir Ahmadid Dardir which consists probably about

01:55:35 --> 01:55:35

75,000

01:55:36 --> 01:55:36

Masayid.

01:55:37 --> 01:55:39

Then you go to Khalil which is about

01:55:39 --> 01:55:39

300,000

01:55:40 --> 01:55:40

messaels.

01:55:40 --> 01:55:43

Then you go to the shuruhat of Khalil

01:55:43 --> 01:55:44

and Sharhil Kabir

01:55:46 --> 01:55:48

is Dardir's Sharhan Khalil.

01:55:48 --> 01:55:51

Shar Hissavir is his Sharhan, his own book,

01:55:51 --> 01:55:52

Akar bin Masalik.

01:55:53 --> 01:55:55

And then you have Hasheeta Dasuki

01:55:56 --> 01:56:00

upon Dardir, upon Khalil. And that that's in

01:56:01 --> 01:56:03

Shirkit and Algeria.

01:56:03 --> 01:56:04

They study Khalil

01:56:06 --> 01:56:06

Hasidasuuli,

01:56:07 --> 01:56:09

and that's their go to.

01:56:20 --> 01:56:22

Can a woman have ever been married without

01:56:22 --> 01:56:23

her consent?

01:56:25 --> 01:56:26

Yeah. It would be valid.

01:56:27 --> 01:56:29

It would be a valid marriage if a

01:56:29 --> 01:56:29

dad did that.

01:56:31 --> 01:56:33

That's a matter of order and custom.

01:56:35 --> 01:56:36

Right? Yeah. I know that's gonna

01:56:37 --> 01:56:38

surprise a lot of people, but if the

01:56:38 --> 01:56:41

parents, they know what's best for their daughter.

01:56:42 --> 01:56:43

But that's a matter of Orf. I don't

01:56:43 --> 01:56:44

think that would ever happen today.

01:56:45 --> 01:56:47

So Orf is is the custom of those

01:56:47 --> 01:56:48

Muslims.

01:56:48 --> 01:56:50

I haven't heard I've I haven't heard of

01:56:50 --> 01:56:52

that ever happening today, but if he did

01:56:52 --> 01:56:53

that, it would be a valid

01:56:54 --> 01:56:55

contract.

01:56:56 --> 01:56:58

Any chance you can come to the Netherlands?

01:56:59 --> 01:57:01

Is there something to do in the Netherlands?

01:57:01 --> 01:57:01

No.

01:57:02 --> 01:57:04

I'll come if there's people to teach.

01:57:05 --> 01:57:07

Yeah. If there's if there's a decent

01:57:07 --> 01:57:09

it doesn't have to be a big group,

01:57:09 --> 01:57:09

but,

01:57:10 --> 01:57:11

you know, every summer, I like to go

01:57:11 --> 01:57:12

somewhere.

01:57:13 --> 01:57:15

Maybe it can be Malaysia this year, maybe

01:57:16 --> 01:57:17

South whatever

01:57:18 --> 01:57:18

upstanding

01:57:19 --> 01:57:21

and competent organization, I'd love to go and

01:57:21 --> 01:57:23

see these, basically, just to see our ummah,

01:57:24 --> 01:57:25

connect with our ummah.

01:57:26 --> 01:57:27

Vancouver.

01:57:28 --> 01:57:30

Okay, ask him what's out there, Vancouver.

01:57:31 --> 01:57:34

Maliki in musical instruments and Maliki method, all

01:57:34 --> 01:57:36

of it's haram except for the weddings by

01:57:36 --> 01:57:36

women.

01:57:40 --> 01:57:43

For me, the the go to book immediately

01:57:43 --> 01:57:45

is Nafrawi and Risaleh.

01:57:46 --> 01:57:48

Of course, Akhir al Masali because what I'm

01:57:48 --> 01:57:50

studying now with my sheikh, Mohammed Shabib.

01:57:51 --> 01:57:52

Someone has a question that you're saying. What

01:57:52 --> 01:57:55

is it? Say I'm having suicidal thoughts, everything

01:57:55 --> 01:57:56

fell apart. Tawodullah.

01:57:56 --> 01:57:58

My health, my mental, my emotional, I need

01:57:58 --> 01:58:00

advice, I keep thinking what if this didn't

01:58:00 --> 01:58:01

happen, I would have been good.

01:58:03 --> 01:58:04

No. You need to talk to somebody, but

01:58:04 --> 01:58:06

don't do that. Don't go back. And what

01:58:06 --> 01:58:07

if this happened? What if that didn't happen?

01:58:07 --> 01:58:08

Don't do that.

01:58:10 --> 01:58:12

But you need to talk to somebody. But

01:58:12 --> 01:58:14

and you need to have somebody reassure you

01:58:14 --> 01:58:15

about everything.

01:58:18 --> 01:58:18

Okay.

01:58:25 --> 01:58:28

What's the best Akita book for beginners and

01:58:28 --> 01:58:30

intermediates? Let me get you the exact

01:58:31 --> 01:58:32

there Johar to Tohi, do you know it's

01:58:32 --> 01:58:33

translated?

01:58:35 --> 01:58:37

And let me get you exact

01:58:39 --> 01:58:40

title of the book.

01:58:47 --> 01:58:50

Here, Johara at Tawhid, English commentary by Ali

01:58:50 --> 01:58:51

Kalfi

01:58:51 --> 01:58:52

or

01:58:53 --> 01:58:54

Khalaf maybe.

01:58:55 --> 01:58:57

I don't know what it is.

01:58:58 --> 01:59:01

Okay. It's called Joe Harut at Tohid by

01:59:01 --> 01:59:04

Ali is spelled a l l I e,

01:59:05 --> 01:59:06

and that covers a lot.

01:59:07 --> 01:59:08

Covers a lot.

01:59:10 --> 01:59:11

K.

01:59:13 --> 01:59:16

Ali spelled a l l I e, Khalfe,

01:59:16 --> 01:59:17

khalfe.

01:59:21 --> 01:59:23

Couple more questions, then we then we wrap

01:59:23 --> 01:59:23

up.

01:59:25 --> 01:59:26

In my medics view on trimming the beard,

01:59:26 --> 01:59:28

go to Malachi fit QA and you'll see

01:59:28 --> 01:59:29

that answer there.

01:59:29 --> 01:59:31

Malachi fitqway.com.

01:59:33 --> 01:59:35

And that's it. Again, we took that from

01:59:35 --> 01:59:35

Nafrawi

01:59:36 --> 01:59:38

and Kadeya and others.

01:59:39 --> 01:59:41

Yeah. He allows you to trim your beard.

01:59:41 --> 01:59:43

You get have to have a beard, though.

01:59:46 --> 01:59:47

Mohammed Hassan,

01:59:48 --> 01:59:49

go to somebody quick.

01:59:50 --> 01:59:52

Go seek help from an imam and counseling

01:59:52 --> 01:59:54

and and and mentorship,

01:59:54 --> 01:59:56

and you'll get on the right track inshallah.

02:00:03 --> 02:00:05

If someone sees the prophet in a dream,

02:00:07 --> 02:00:09

does that mean he's safe in matters of

02:00:09 --> 02:00:10

belief in?

02:00:23 --> 02:00:24

Is your mic on? No. Can I see

02:00:24 --> 02:00:26

your mic on? Like, even some non Muslims

02:00:26 --> 02:00:28

have seen process on it. There's many stories

02:00:28 --> 02:00:29

I'm sure you've heard. Like, there's one of

02:00:29 --> 02:00:32

the Lebanese Christian girl, Musiah, and then she

02:00:32 --> 02:00:33

turned Muslim. So things like that. Hopefully that

02:00:33 --> 02:00:35

the future is good. We can say that.

02:00:35 --> 02:00:37

Hopefully the future of that person is good,

02:00:37 --> 02:00:39

but doesn't mean at that moment he's perfect.

02:00:39 --> 02:00:41

Right? Personally, like this is anecdotal kind of,

02:00:41 --> 02:00:43

I understand, but I know many people that

02:00:43 --> 02:00:44

have seen the Prophet and

02:00:44 --> 02:00:47

like they're not exactly like scholars or half

02:00:47 --> 02:00:48

the time they don't even know what they're

02:00:48 --> 02:00:49

like.

02:00:49 --> 02:00:51

Hopefully that means that person has a good

02:00:51 --> 02:00:51

future

02:00:52 --> 02:00:55

but you cannot ever have jazm about anybody,

02:00:56 --> 02:00:58

Yeah. Speak. Question. If

02:00:59 --> 02:01:01

someone's from the prophet's family, someone's telling me

02:01:01 --> 02:01:04

that there's no, like, nowadays, like, if they're

02:01:04 --> 02:01:05

from the cross family, like,

02:01:20 --> 02:01:21

because he's like, there's no way that they

02:01:21 --> 02:01:23

can end up in No. It's not true.

02:01:23 --> 02:01:24

I never heard anything like that.

02:01:25 --> 02:01:26

I never heard that. Hold on. I don't

02:01:26 --> 02:01:27

know.

02:01:30 --> 02:01:31

Sri Lankan here.

02:01:31 --> 02:01:33

Are you a or a Malalaya?

02:01:33 --> 02:01:34

What?

02:01:35 --> 02:01:37

What? I'm neither, bro.

02:01:38 --> 02:01:39

I guarantee you I'm neither.

02:01:41 --> 02:01:42

I need your Lankans here to know what

02:01:42 --> 02:01:44

the heck he's talking about.

02:01:44 --> 02:01:46

No. I don't know what you're talking about,

02:01:46 --> 02:01:47

and I'm not either one of those things.

02:01:47 --> 02:01:48

Don't call me that.

02:01:50 --> 02:01:51

Yeah.

02:01:52 --> 02:01:53

No, no, he's asking someone else. I'm second

02:01:53 --> 02:01:54

somebody else, okay.

02:01:57 --> 02:01:58

I'm not that and don't call me one

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of those. No. No. He's he's talking to

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someone else. Okay.

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In the medical school, go to safinaside.org/sadl.

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What else can we read about?

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Who are some other Medici scholars that the

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younger generation might not know about?

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Well, I think there's a lot, but,

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we just talked about,

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but keep in mind, he was not his

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world was not fit. It was Hadith and

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Aqid and Tasawwuf.

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Well, we can do a lot of different,

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I would say

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his thing is scholars, their biographies, or it's

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their works really that matter more than their

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biographies.

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Okay. Ladies and gentlemen,

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we will wrap up here.

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Does the Quran

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give us a flat earth or a round

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earth?

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And, I would say there is no

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explicit statement

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that the earth

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is flat or round because, yes, Allah said

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that he

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or used the word

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but that is true because you look out

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and you see a flat,

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plain of grass that you can build on,

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right, or lay down on. So that's that

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could be the meaning of that. Doesn't mean

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the whole thing is flat.

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And we have,

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the taqwir, the verses of taqwir of the

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earth or of the sun around the earth

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or of the sun.

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So taqwir

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is

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the

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it points to roundedness.

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Is an explicit statement? No.

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Also,

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what about

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our own eyes? Does not the Quran uphold

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a

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observable knowledge? Allah upholds observable knowledge. Right? And

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we clearly see pictures of around earth, and

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we are not a people who deny

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observable knowledge. Otherwise, you become

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like Christian scientists or something like that. They

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deny observable and demonstrable knowledge.

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So Christian scientists. Yeah. They, they deny

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observable and demonstrable knowledge.

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Yeah. And we're not,

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transmission is not the only source of knowledge

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in Islam.

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Allah commands us to,

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these other sources of knowledge

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provided that they don't contradict. A a a

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proper observation of nature will not contradict the

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book

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because the authors are the same.

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Ladies and gentlemen,

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we're wrapping up here.

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