Omar Suleiman – The Muslim Marriage Scene Texas and Bosnia – After Hours with Sh Yaser Birjas

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The Afternoon podcast discusses the challenges faced by young people during the war in Bosnia, including struggles with living in remote regions and resources such as water, food, and housing. The importance of learning Arabic language and gaining knowledge to become a product of the war is emphasized, along with the need for experts and educated people to convince people to take a certain path in their lives. The shift in the Muslim family's approach to parenting and the challenges faced by women are also discussed. The importance of finding a suitable partner for oneself and privacy in a quiet environment for learning about Islam is emphasized.

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			There's no dispute about this one, we're not
		
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			from Valley Ranch Islamic Center, this is my
		
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			office, my table, this is my Shaykh Amman,
		
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			this is my Shaykh Yasir, this is all
		
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			mine.
		
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			I'll give you that, this is all yours.
		
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			I'll take the vest before you.
		
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			Welcome to everyone joining in, Alhamdulillah, this is
		
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			a special edition of the After Hours podcast.
		
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			Very excited, Alhamdulillah, we get to be in
		
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			person and we get to have MashaAllah Shaykh
		
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			Yasir Burjas out of all people, Alhamdulillah, no
		
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			one more worthy of the proper production than
		
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			Shaykh Yasir.
		
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			He kind of demands it, he says no
		
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			zoom, you know, he can't do zoom, he
		
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			needs four cameras.
		
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			Maybe fly to Dallas, flying me from my
		
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			home, flying you from your home.
		
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			But Alhamdulillah, I'm a serious man, Shaykh, we're
		
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			really, really happy to have you, Alhamdulillah.
		
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			I don't think there's probably anyone I've had
		
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			more After Hours discussions with than you about
		
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			the da'wah and about the current scene.
		
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			So it's kind of cool that we get
		
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			to have this on camera, Alhamdulillah, and we
		
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			get to have Shaykh Ammar with us as
		
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			well.
		
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			It's more like the late night Ramadan conversation
		
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			in the office before we go out there
		
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			and come back.
		
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			There you go, SubhanAllah, SubhanAllah, you're right.
		
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			So that's the, if you ever watch late
		
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			night reflections, Shaykh Yasir and I, we always
		
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			have our conversations in the office, Alhamdulillah, before
		
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			we come out and after we come out,
		
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			over tamil and qahwa, whenever else comes for
		
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			Ramadan.
		
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			Fueling the Ramadan nights, having a qahwa.
		
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			That's right, we should have brought it, but
		
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			Shaykh Yasir, Ahlul Sahih, we appreciate you coming
		
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			and Alhamdulillah, I think for everyone that knows
		
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			you, obviously, they probably know you in one
		
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			particular way, maybe they know you through Al
		
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			-Maghrib, or they know you through Valley Ranch
		
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			Islamic Centre, and I think this will give
		
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			us an opportunity, inshaAllah, not just to understand
		
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			the da'wah a bit more from your
		
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			perspective and how you've seen sort of the
		
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			scene change, but also about yourself, your own
		
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			journey, and the different contexts that you've been
		
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			in with the da'wah.
		
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			And I'll preface this, and I told you
		
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			this outside, and I told you, I'll say,
		
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			Shaykh Yasir Burjas is my kid's imam.
		
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			My kids see Shaykh Yasir Burjas as their
		
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			imam, which is really nice.
		
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			We moved to the community as a family,
		
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			Alhamdulillah, to be with you and your family
		
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			and just this growing community of Valley Ranch,
		
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			and we've seen it grow over the last
		
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			decade now, SubhanAllah, over the last decade almost,
		
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			coming together.
		
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			And you saw, I think we even have
		
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			a picture of me and Dima when they're
		
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			like two together, and now they're like going
		
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			on 13 together, and they're buddy-buddy, Alhamdulillah,
		
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			daughters.
		
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			Alhamdulillah.
		
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			My kids attend your dars, they attend your
		
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			classes, they cite you when they want an
		
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			easier fatwa because I'm much more conservative than
		
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			you, I mean, if people didn't know, obviously,
		
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			I tell them you can't do the tiba
		
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			'a rukhas, following the fatwa that you like,
		
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			they try to use your easy fatwas and
		
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			my easy fatwas, and then try to make
		
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			their own madhhab, a Sulaimani, Dajjasi madhhab that
		
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			doesn't work, but it's beautiful, you know, really,
		
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			that they have an imam, Alhamdulillah, that.
		
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			You know, actually, this is something very unique,
		
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			people don't understand that imam's kids, they are
		
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			very special, special club, really, not necessarily in
		
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			the most positive way sometimes, because the focus
		
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			and the attention on imam's kids is different
		
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			and unique, and as a result, there's so
		
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			much pressure on them, really.
		
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			It's not easy for our kids to survive
		
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			that kind of attention, in a positive way
		
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			or a negative way, Allah knows best.
		
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			Yeah, finding our daughters bonding together, because I
		
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			think they have similar backgrounds, maybe they have
		
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			similar struggles that they go through in relationship
		
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			to their parents, obviously, and their fathers.
		
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			Alhamdulillah, I'm very happy for them, really, to
		
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			have somebody to talk to.
		
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			Alhamdulillah, Alhamdulillah.
		
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			And we have, you know, we talked about
		
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			the development of the masjid, youth directors as
		
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			well.
		
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			It's nice, mashaAllah, that we have imams, we
		
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			have youth directors, that both do an amazing
		
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			job, mashaAllah.
		
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			Alhamdulillah.
		
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			Abdullah, my son, looks up to Shaykh Yusuf
		
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			Fakir, and so looks up to him.
		
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			Before this turns into a Valley Ranch conversation.
		
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			Oh, you're here.
		
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			Let's just introduce Shaykh Yusuf.
		
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			It looks like we're talking in their living
		
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			room, for real.
		
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			Welcome to Late Night Reflections, from the inferior
		
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			city of Jusuf.
		
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			So, Shaykh Yusuf Yusuf Fakir is Imam of
		
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			Valley Ranch Islamic Center.
		
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			He is a Senior Instructor at Al-Maghrib
		
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			Institute for over, since 2003, since it was
		
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			founded pretty much.
		
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			Wow.
		
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			You've been a valedictorian of the University of
		
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			Medina, you graduated in 1996.
		
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			Yeah.
		
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			And you were an imam in El Paso.
		
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			When did you come to the United States,
		
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			Shaykh?
		
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			So, I arrived, actually, mid to late 2000.
		
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			Mid to late 2000.
		
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			Mid 2000, came for the interview, and then
		
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			moved towards the late of 2000.
		
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			To be specific, SubhanAllah, it's very interesting.
		
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			It's October 22nd, which is like this week,
		
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			to be specific.
		
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			MashaAllah.
		
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			So, we're celebrating 22 years of you being
		
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			here.
		
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			Very much.
		
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			MashaAllah.
		
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			October 22nd, 22 years.
		
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			And I stayed in El Paso until 2009.
		
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			So, you came from Medina, no, you went
		
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			to Bosnia first.
		
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			Yes.
		
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			So, in 1996, you went, you graduated, and
		
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			then you went to Bosnia.
		
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			Yes.
		
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			And Bosnia is war-torn Bosnia at that
		
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			point in time, relief work.
		
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			You were there for a number of years,
		
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			three years?
		
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			Four years.
		
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			Four years.
		
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			You were there for four years, and then
		
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			you came to the United States.
		
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			Yes.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			And so, that's Shaykh Yusuf Fakir's story in
		
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			a bio.
		
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			Now, you can talk about it.
		
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			Can we get back to Valley Ranch?
		
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			Yeah, you can get back to you.
		
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			All right, let's leave this here.
		
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			It's a living room conversation.
		
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			Clear Lake.
		
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			Let's include it.
		
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			Clear Lake.
		
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			They try to be Valley Ranch, but they
		
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			can't be Valley Ranch.
		
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			Allah.
		
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			Allah.
		
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			MashaAllah.
		
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			MashaAllah.
		
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			We love Clear Lake Islamic Center.
		
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			They have their own glory.
		
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			MashaAllah.
		
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			An amazing vibe at that community.
		
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			And to be fair, when anyone moves to
		
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			Houston or around the area and say, where
		
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			should I move?
		
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			I say, you should go to Clear Lake
		
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			Islamic Center.
		
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			So, I've been sending my people to your
		
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			masjid as well.
		
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			When they can't make it.
		
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			To Valley Ranch Islamic Center.
		
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			Yeah, to Valley Ranch Islamic Center.
		
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			But Shaykh, not like you, I think, let's
		
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			actually start from there.
		
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			You have done da'wah or been involved
		
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			in taking care of people and teaching them
		
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			the deen in so many different contexts.
		
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			Like, when I think of Bosnia, and Bosnia
		
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			to me, SubhanAllah, to you, it's literally like
		
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			home.
		
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			To me, when I went there, it felt
		
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			like home because we grew up with it.
		
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			That's sort of the tragedy in the background.
		
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			We had refugees come here.
		
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			And my mother, I used to write poetry
		
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			about Bosnia.
		
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			I remember actually reciting that poetry to people
		
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			in Bosnia.
		
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			Sarajevo and Srebrenica.
		
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			Going there, connecting beautiful people.
		
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			But you were there in the middle of
		
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			the war.
		
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			I mean, picking up the pieces.
		
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			And then you've got that war-torn climate.
		
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			And then you've got sort of the hyper
		
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			-individualistic, very easy climate, you know, suburban Texas,
		
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			right?
		
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			Talk to us about what does da'wah
		
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			look like in war?
		
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			In dealing with people in war.
		
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			SubhanAllah, when we went to Bosnia, I went
		
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			right after the war was over.
		
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			And then when they started rebuilding the country.
		
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			But it was still completely divided.
		
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			Divided geographically, divided politically, divided ethnically, divided even
		
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			actually in all aspects.
		
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			It was very divided.
		
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			Within the same city, like in Sarajevo, for
		
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			example, there's a Serbian section and there's the
		
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			Bosnian section.
		
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			And each one of them has their own
		
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			national flags in the same city, in the
		
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			same neighborhood.
		
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			You will be driving in one street and
		
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			then you have Bosnian flags and then suddenly
		
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			you go across the stop sign and then
		
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			you're already in a completely different territory with
		
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			different flags and so on.
		
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			So it was really, it was still dangerous.
		
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			It was still not easy to be around
		
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			there.
		
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			So to try to assess what we're gonna
		
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			do, it was more of like survival kind
		
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			of mode.
		
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			Many, many people there, they still lacked a
		
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			lot of the basic needs.
		
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			They didn't live in their houses, so they
		
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			were refugees from one village to the other
		
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			one, from the mountains to other mountains.
		
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			They're all over the place.
		
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			We've seen areas like, I was honored to
		
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			serve in a small village that was hosting
		
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			more than 2,000 of the Serbian civilians,
		
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			their families, obviously.
		
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			And you go there, subhanAllah, one single house,
		
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			you have three or four families, and there's
		
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			all young families, all women and children, no
		
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			men.
		
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			So in that situation, I mean, where do
		
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			we start?
		
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			Do we start feeding them?
		
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			Do we start taking care of them?
		
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			Do we start teaching them the basic of
		
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			our deen and give them their identity?
		
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			It was really a big challenge.
		
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			But I think, alhamdulillah, our focus and our
		
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			agency, we have different departments, and so we
		
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			let the whole humanitarian aspect of giving food
		
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			and providing services to the shelter and relocating
		
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			them back again to their villages into different
		
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			agencies and different departments.
		
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			We were focusing on the human resources, meaning
		
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			how can we make sure that instead of
		
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			giving people fish, we actually teach them fishing.
		
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			And that was one of our main focuses.
		
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			Alhamdulillah, our leader of the team, he decided
		
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			that, look, we need to see where are
		
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			the brightest kids we can find in local
		
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			communities.
		
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			We can start making halaqat of Qur'an,
		
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			halaqat of Arabic language, for example.
		
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			And then we try to see from these
		
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			kids, inshallah, who are the most, the brightest
		
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			ones, and then hopefully we can find sponsorship.
		
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			We send them to Muslim countries where they
		
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			can learn a skill, learn a degree, and
		
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			then come back to serve their communities.
		
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			And I believe, alhamdulillah, in the course of
		
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			four years, that's what we're focusing on.
		
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			In addition, of course, to working on the
		
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			humanitarian aspect of the country.
		
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			But alhamdulillah, I was the main teacher in
		
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			many of these programs.
		
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			So I would teach, and we did camps
		
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			as well for these youth.
		
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			So finally, we were able to collect out
		
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			of hundreds of students that we taught over
		
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			a couple of years to highlight 200 of
		
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			them.
		
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			And alhamdulillah, we were able to send them
		
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			to Jordan to study Arabic language.
		
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			And then, after one year, we made an
		
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			assessment program.
		
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			Those who did not do very well, as
		
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			expected, we brought them back to become translators
		
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			to the community, to the other speakers, and
		
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			so on.
		
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			And those who did well, alhamdulillah, we kept
		
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			them there, and we went to different departments.
		
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			So some went to business college, some they
		
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			went to Sharia, some they went to Arabic
		
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			language, and so on.
		
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			And subhanAllah, after four years of studying or
		
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			six years being there, many of them came
		
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			back.
		
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			Some people, mashallah, they even went further to
		
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			masters and PhDs, and some of them went
		
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			to Medina, some went to Azhar.
		
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			Some students even went to Malaysia at the
		
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			time, alhamdulillah, to further their education.
		
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			And now, just two years ago, it was
		
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			my first visit to Bosnia after all these
		
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			years.
		
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			And I was so happy to see the
		
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			results, subhanAllah.
		
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			It was just impressive really that the number
		
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			of students who came back and started small
		
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			businesses and employing other people.
		
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			Some of them, mashallah, they were instructors in
		
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			certain colleges and programs.
		
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			Some of these people also become, mashallah, active
		
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			in the politics of the local communities.
		
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			Some of them become national imams in other
		
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			countries, and mashallah, many, many beautiful things.
		
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			So, the fact is that these people, they
		
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			had, there was a need, and they felt
		
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			the obligation to do that.
		
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			Here in America, it's different.
		
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			It's very easy.
		
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			It's very convenient.
		
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			So, the demand to learn is not there.
		
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			It becomes more optional.
		
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			And it's very, you find a big struggle
		
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			really to convince people to take that path
		
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			and that route in their lives.
		
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			And even when they come to study it,
		
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			the urgency of why we need in this
		
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			form, it's not very obvious for many people.
		
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			So, in Pakistan, you find a lot of
		
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			our young, mashallah, brothers and sisters.
		
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			What was the urgency in Bosnia, if you
		
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			don't mind?
		
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			The urgency is that there was nothing there.
		
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			Literally.
		
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			Like, many people were killed in the war.
		
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			Communities were destroyed.
		
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			The infrastructure was gone.
		
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			So, to rebuild the community, you need experts.
		
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			You need educated people.
		
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			You need people who know what they were
		
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			talking about, what they're gonna be doing for
		
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			the community.
		
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			And that wasn't there for them.
		
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			So, where did the interest in the deen
		
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			come from?
		
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			So, did you find, number one, people who
		
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			were really interested in studying Islam?
		
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			And if so, where is that interest coming
		
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			from?
		
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			So, if I'm in a country that has
		
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			no infrastructure and all of that, is my
		
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			first question going to be, I need to
		
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			study Arabic, for example?
		
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			And if so, what was propelling them to
		
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			do that?
		
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			I think many of the students that we
		
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			were dealing with, they came as a by
		
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			-product of the war itself.
		
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			Because what happened when, of course, when people
		
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			in Bosnia, the whole international community let down
		
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			the Bosnian society.
		
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			And so, the people of Bosnia, they start
		
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			finding sympathy and support and help from I
		
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			would say individuals in Muslim countries, and also
		
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			from some Muslim countries that tried to influence
		
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			the situation.
		
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			Like, a few leaders from the Muslim world
		
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			came visiting Bosnia during the war itself.
		
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			One of them was actually Benazir Bhutto from
		
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			Pakistan at the time.
		
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			She came visit and she was one of
		
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			the few leaders who went through the tunnel
		
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			of hope that was dug under the airport
		
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			just to bring life to the city of
		
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			Sarajevo at the time.
		
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			So that kind of attention, suddenly people, they
		
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			realized everybody's against them because of their original
		
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			identity, which was being Muslims.
		
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			Although they themselves, a few of them were
		
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			really identified as Muslims.
		
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			So that trauma made them more attached to
		
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			their Islamic identity?
		
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			I think it was, for them it's just
		
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			like a realization, like, look, all of us,
		
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			all of these people are against us because
		
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			we're Muslims.
		
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			So therefore, you know what?
		
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			They're going to attach themselves to Islam and
		
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			become Muslims.
		
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			Of course, during the war time though, it
		
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			was more urgent and more important for them
		
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			to identify as being Muslims.
		
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			But subhanAllah, once the war was over, and
		
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			the things get back again to normal, I
		
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			would say.
		
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			Well, not normal, but at least better than
		
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			what it was in the war time.
		
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			That kind of attachment, the identity, slowly and
		
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			gradually started being challenged with European mandates and
		
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			all the stuff and so forth.
		
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			But a lot of people after that, alhamdulillah,
		
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			became like an option.
		
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			Being religious became an option right now.
		
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			And alhamdulillah, it survived all these years, and
		
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			mashAllah you go back there, hijab is everywhere,
		
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			alhamdulillah.
		
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			That's something to be happy and proud to
		
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			see, alhamdulillah.
		
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			You go to the masjid, a lot of
		
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			youth come to pray in the masjid as
		
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			well too, alhamdulillah.
		
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			People identify, you know, easily with being Muslim.
		
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			Still, there's a big challenge to continue with
		
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			that.
		
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			Because again, the situation right now is never
		
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			really stable, politically speaking.
		
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			But alhamdulillah, overall mashAllah, the result of that
		
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			time, of the people who went to study
		
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			Islam and came back, mashAllah.
		
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			It was great.
		
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			And I think right after the war, the
		
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			Muslim identity was so strong and so beautiful
		
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			that a lot of people wanted to study
		
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			it.
		
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			They wanted to identify with it.
		
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			They wanted to know what they'd been missing
		
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			all these years.
		
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			I think that's what encouraged many of these
		
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			young people to join and stay with the
		
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			program.
		
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			To your point, when I went there, I
		
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			was actually really happy to see these young
		
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			people.
		
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			And their way to the deen was entirely
		
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			different than the way of their parents, right?
		
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			The trauma, it's still fresh.
		
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			It's two decades.
		
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			It's not that long ago, and there's always
		
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			sort of the whispering of genocide in the
		
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			background, right?
		
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			So how about to see these young people
		
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			that found their love of deen organically and
		
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			individually is really beautiful.
		
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			And it shows you that the da'a
		
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			was different for people because the circumstances were
		
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			different.
		
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			Of course, it is.
		
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			I mean, for us, here in America, alhamdulillah,
		
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			we do have the luxury of teaching whatever
		
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			we want to teach, however you want to
		
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			teach it.
		
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			We have the resources for it and all
		
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			that stuff and so on.
		
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			But over there, there are a lot of
		
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			limitations.
		
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			Some of it is financial resources.
		
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			Not everybody has the luxury to live, alhamdulillah,
		
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			comfortably to find time to go and attend
		
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			a program or halaq or pay for it,
		
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			for example.
		
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			That's something that's not for everybody.
		
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			Even recently when we went on the blessed
		
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			voyage with the naghrib to Bosnia, we spent
		
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			there about a week or so.
		
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			I had a lecture for the locals, really,
		
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			in English.
		
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			I wasn't expecting that many to show up,
		
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			but I was surprised.
		
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			There were quite a good number of people,
		
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			subhanAllah, who came to attend the lecture in
		
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			English.
		
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			But then I realized that a lot of
		
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			them, they're also expats.
		
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			They came from other places, from Canada, from
		
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			Europe.
		
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			Some of them, they lived there for some
		
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			time and now they're back in Bosnia.
		
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			Some of them, they attended it, you know,
		
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			because, again, they learned the English language when
		
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			they were abroad.
		
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			But then, alhamdulillah, still we had many, many
		
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			locals who learned English in town.
		
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			Twenty years ago when I was in Bosnia,
		
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			it was so hard to find someone to
		
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			speak English.
		
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			Extremely difficult.
		
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			Because it wasn't the most common language there.
		
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			It was Russian or German.
		
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			Did you speak English when you went to
		
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			Bosnia?
		
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			In Bosnia, I would speak quite reasonable English,
		
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			I would say.
		
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			What I learned from high school.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			But we had to force to learn the
		
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			language, obviously, over there, the Bosnian language.
		
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			Can you speak some Bosnian?
		
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			Come on.
		
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			I've never heard you speak Bosnian.
		
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			Which means I don't speak English.
		
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			I don't speak it very well now.
		
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			But you said that nicely.
		
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			It sounded sort of like my Urdu.
		
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			First of all, all of our Bosnians who
		
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			are watching this, you can comment and let
		
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			us know how the Sheikh's Bosnian was, inshaAllah.
		
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			You know Javapian, you know Bala.
		
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			Yes, I know Javapian.
		
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			But I've lived in Zawodovice for four years.
		
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			Which means I lived in Zawodovice for four
		
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			years.
		
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			That's what it means.
		
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			InshaAllah.
		
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			Sheikh, you're reminding me, one of the major
		
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			shifts that's happened in the United States over
		
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			the past 20 years is the emergence of
		
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			the immigrant imam who speaks English, 20 years
		
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			ago.
		
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			It was all translations and things of that
		
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			nature.
		
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			Your English is better than mine, Sheikh.
		
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			No, it's true.
		
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			Sheikh Hassan is always using amazing words.
		
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			How do you do this?
		
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			How did you go about learning English?
		
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			Do you have a talent for language?
		
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			Do you have a particular process that you
		
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			went through?
		
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			And number two, how did you go about
		
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			learning Bosnian?
		
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			You did learn Bosnian.
		
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			I did, yeah.
		
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			What's the motivation behind doing it?
		
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			You could easily be the imam who broke
		
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			in English here, everybody else has to learn
		
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			what I'm trying to say.
		
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			But you took it upon yourself to basically
		
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			master the language.
		
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			Honestly, I think it's in the Quran.
		
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			Really, the main motivation for me was a
		
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			simple ayah in the Quran where Allah says,
		
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			...
		
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			...
		
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			...
		
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			So when I went to Bosnia, I tried
		
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			to teach them Arabic to make it easier
		
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			for me.
		
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			It took longer than expected.
		
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			Besides, by the time we taught them some
		
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			Arabic, we sent them to Jordan.
		
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			Oh Lord.
		
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			So we have to learn the language.
		
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			And at the time, subhanAllah, where we lived,
		
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			because there was no infrastructure, there wasn't really
		
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			an institute where you could use to do
		
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			that, to go and study the language officially
		
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			and formally.
		
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			Unless you go all the way to Sarajevo,
		
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			or all the way to Tuzla, for example,
		
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			the major cities that have institutes or universities
		
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			that can teach you the language.
		
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			So I had to depend on the street,
		
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			basically, learning from the people.
		
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			A book, I remember Sheikh Imam Shpandin, his
		
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			father, his mom and his father were visiting
		
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			Jordan at the time.
		
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			I was temporarily in Amman before I left
		
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			to Bosnia.
		
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			So he's a Bosnian here at the University
		
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			of Medina.
		
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			He was actually Macedonian.
		
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			So his father would speak a little bit
		
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			of Bosnian, but him and his parents speak
		
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			Albanian.
		
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			So eventually he brought me, his father brought
		
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			me a book.
		
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			I still have it until this day.
		
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			From back in 2000.
		
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			Or actually 1997, 1996.
		
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			So he gave it to me and I
		
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			used it to learn the language.
		
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			I still have it.
		
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			That was cassette back then.
		
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			And a dictionary.
		
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			So that was the thing.
		
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			So learn from the people, read and speak,
		
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			read and speak.
		
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			I don't claim that I learned the perfect
		
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			Bosnian language, but I spoke very well during
		
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			those four years.
		
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			It hasn't been 20 years right now since
		
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			I've practiced it professionally.
		
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			This past summer when we went to Bosnia
		
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			again, I spent a week over there and
		
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			subhanallah, all of a sudden all these words
		
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			coming back again naturally without even trying.
		
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			Like even I look at something and say,
		
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			oh this is this.
		
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			I speak and the word comes out immediately.
		
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			So the language doesn't really die.
		
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			It's just it's hidden right now because now
		
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			a new language is taking over, the English
		
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			language.
		
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			When I first came to the US, as
		
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			I was giving the khutbah in English, trying
		
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			to give the khutbah in English, I keep
		
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			throwing a lot of Bosnian words on the
		
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			number.
		
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			You're just trying to be close enough, huh?
		
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			It's a foreign word anyway.
		
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			They're all foreign languages.
		
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			But subhanallah, looking back right now, when I
		
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			go back to my first khutbah that I
		
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			gave in the US, I still have records
		
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			of this khutbah in Arabic, subhanallah.
		
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			I'm just like, oh my lord, how these
		
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			people were able to understand what I was
		
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			saying?
		
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			Really, because I have the translation in English
		
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			language.
		
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			So when I came again, the first thing
		
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			that came to my mind, look, this is
		
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			it.
		
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			The language is English.
		
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			Time to switch to English language.
		
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			So I put so much energy, alhamdulillah, in
		
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			learning it.
		
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			The way I did it, really I tried
		
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			to learn the English language just like a
		
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			child would learn English language.
		
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			So I would go to the public library,
		
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			and I would read actually kids' stories.
		
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			I thought you were going to say Sesame
		
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			Street, but close enough.
		
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			I did that.
		
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			I read all the Sesame Street series.
		
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			I read the Cinderella books and all that
		
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			stuff and so on.
		
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			Just pick up words just like the kids
		
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			would, really, slowly and gradually.
		
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			What about Reader's Digest?
		
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			Did you do that?
		
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			That came later, Shaykh.
		
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			That was my dad's thing.
		
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			No, for me, actually, anything I put my
		
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			hand on, I would read it.
		
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			For example, even the milk jug, the juice,
		
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			for example.
		
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			Just read the ingredients.
		
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			Just like that.
		
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			Anything that has the English, I want to
		
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			say, look, I don't have much time.
		
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			I need to start becoming good with learning
		
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			the language.
		
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			So I would say within a few months
		
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			of the very beginning, I used to do
		
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			the khutbah in Arabic, and then there was
		
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			a brother who was supposed to be translating
		
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			the khutbah for me.
		
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			So I tell him, okay, help me out
		
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			over here.
		
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			I'll give you the khutbah on Saturday for
		
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			the next Friday.
		
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			Bring it to me no later than Wednesday
		
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			so I can at least type it up,
		
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			and then I practice this so I can
		
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			go and remember and be ready for the
		
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			khutbah.
		
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			He never brought it to me before Juma
		
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			'ah.
		
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			Actually, always bring it right an hour before
		
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			Juma'ah.
		
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			On his way to the masjid, he stops
		
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			by and he goes, sorry, Shaykh, for the
		
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			delay.
		
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			I'm like, yeah, Habibi.
		
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			So I have to practice this quickly, and
		
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			later on I realized a lot of that
		
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			translation is just like street translated.
		
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			He made a great effort, but it wasn't
		
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			the memoir level.
		
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			Then after that he traveled, so we switched
		
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			to another brother who traveled, so within less
		
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			than a year, I became dependent on Allah,
		
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			subhanahu wa ta'ala, first and foremost and
		
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			electronic dictionary, and then later on came Shaykh
		
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			Shependim as well.
		
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			I thought you were going to say me,
		
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			like I taught you some English.
		
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			Because another imam.
		
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			Imam Shependim was still studying in Medina.
		
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			So that's when we got to know each
		
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			other from there.
		
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			So I write the khutbah.
		
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			I translate the khutbah myself in English.
		
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			I type it up and I send it
		
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			to him.
		
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			Back then it was Skype and it was
		
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			of course, you know, the email.
		
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			So he would review it and send it
		
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			back to me.
		
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			That was for about a year.
		
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			You're in El Paso, Texas.
		
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			He's in Medina.
		
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			Guess where he is now.
		
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			He's in Dallas, isn't he?
		
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			I trust him right now.
		
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			Yeah, yeah.
		
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			You're sending an email for him to translate
		
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			for you or check your translation.
		
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			He did that for about a year Alhamdulillah,
		
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			so it was a beautiful experience.
		
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			We did that together, mashallah.
		
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			And then after that, I decided, you know
		
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			what?
		
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			That's enough.
		
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			I need to learn the English profession right
		
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			now.
		
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			So I told the board of the majid,
		
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			I need you guys to pay for my
		
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			English training.
		
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			So they said, of course.
		
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			So we went to the university, to the
		
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			language department over there and I was trying
		
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			to put the application on and put everything.
		
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			And the lady, she tells me, who are
		
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			you signing up for?
		
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			I said, for me.
		
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			She goes, you don't need it.
		
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			I'm like, what?
		
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			She goes, you don't need it.
		
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			This program is not going to get you
		
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			better than what you do right now.
		
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			You're doing great already.
		
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			I said, okay, well thank you for the
		
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			compliment, but I really need to improve my
		
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			English.
		
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			She goes, you speak better than the graduates
		
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			of this program.
		
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			I'm like, oh my god.
		
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			What am I going to do now?
		
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			So there was another institute that teaches I
		
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			would say actually dialect and pronunciation.
		
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			So I signed up for this.
		
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			The same thing, they said you're going to
		
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			be wasting your money.
		
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			Since then, I did not really do much
		
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			except just keep reading and practicing and reading
		
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			and practicing and I didn't have any problem
		
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			making mistakes.
		
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			I was just about to ask you that
		
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			because that's, when they say children are able
		
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			to develop language, one of the things that's
		
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			mentioned is that they don't have a fear
		
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			of mistakes.
		
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			Adults have a fear of mistakes which compromises
		
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			their ability to actually experiment.
		
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			So your lack of fear of mistakes meaning
		
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			you're being corrected by people left and right,
		
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			are you asking them to correct you?
		
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			I laugh with them.
		
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			It's a joke for them obviously.
		
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			When I make a mistake in the pronunciation
		
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			or misuse of words and so on, I
		
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			just laugh with them.
		
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			It's funny, I agree, it's funny.
		
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			Alhamdulillah.
		
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			They were a moment of embarrassment obviously, but
		
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			subhanAllah it's just the courage, they have to
		
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			do it.
		
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			Again, reading, I used to read of course
		
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			high profile papers because I need to learn
		
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			new vocabulary especially when you teach classes of
		
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			fiqh and usul and this and that, you
		
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			have to learn the language for it.
		
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			So you go into English books of usul,
		
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			papers on usul and fiqh and so on.
		
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			Legal terminology.
		
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			All the terminology of usul.
		
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			It wasn't that simple and easy but alhamdulillah,
		
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			I think it became at some point very
		
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			natural.
		
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			Alhamdulillah.
		
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			So we interviewed Imam Sarraj and everyone has
		
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			an Imam Sarraj story.
		
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			So I want them to hear your Imam
		
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			Sarraj story as well and talk about the
		
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			American Dawa because your experience with American Dawa
		
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			is even before Bosnia, right?
		
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			Yes it is.
		
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			As a matter of fact, I think he
		
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			was my inspiration to where I am today.
		
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			I keep telling the people that.
		
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			I said, when I was in high school
		
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			alhamdulillah, I was active in Dawa since I
		
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			was a kid.
		
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			So I was in the masajid as youth
		
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			director in the masjid.
		
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			When I was in high school, maybe I
		
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			was 16 years old at the time, maybe
		
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			15, 16 years old.
		
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			And that's when the debate that happened in
		
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			Louisiana.
		
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			Is there a photo anywhere of a 15
		
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			year old Sheikh Yaseen in Kuwait teaching at
		
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			a masjid or anything?
		
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			Maybe in a camp but not teaching in
		
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			a masjid.
		
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			Back then, the luxury of cameras was not
		
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			for everybody.
		
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			Not like today.
		
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			I was watching the TV at the time
		
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			they were broadcasting the debate between Jimmy Swaggart
		
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			and Sheikh Ahmadinejad and they had subtitles.
		
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			And I was just mesmerized by that debate.
		
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			I loved that stuff.
		
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			It was amazing.
		
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			But out of all the debates that were
		
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			broadcast, they were doing it on four episodes
		
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			every Friday.
		
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			In the evening they bring one of those
		
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			episodes.
		
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			I was so mesmerized and so amazed by
		
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			the MC of the program.
		
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			I didn't know who he was at the
		
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			time.
		
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			But he was such a beautiful African American
		
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			young man with nice beautiful gray suit.
		
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			Eventually I said, one day I'm going to
		
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			be like this man.
		
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			That's what I said to myself.
		
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			His name was fascinating to me.
		
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			First time I heard someone by that name.
		
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			Eventually, at some point, I obviously went to
		
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			Medina.
		
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			Sorry, before we go into Medina, I used
		
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			to always be the top of my class.
		
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			Always the top student in my class.
		
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			In high school, the senior high school year,
		
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			like what they do in the Arabic quarter,
		
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			they always publish the names of the students
		
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			and the top students and they interview them
		
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			on TV and so on.
		
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			Everybody expected me to be that top student.
		
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			Everybody expected that.
		
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			But that year, relatively speaking, I failed miserably.
		
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			Because I know people are going to say,
		
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			you call this failing?
		
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			Because I still got 93.8 which is
		
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			still A.
		
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			But for me, people are coming home offering
		
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			condolences for my mom.
		
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			It's like, what happened to him?
		
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			Why is this?
		
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			Why is that?
		
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			Everybody is wondering what happened.
		
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			Honestly, I didn't know what happened.
		
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			I didn't do my regular 99.2, 99
		
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			.5 for example.
		
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			I love how you remember the decimals.
		
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			93.8, 99.2 It hurt.
		
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			And it still hurts from that time.
		
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			SubhanAllah, eventually, I tried to apply to a
		
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			local university and they refused to accept me
		
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			there.
		
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			So I had to go out.
		
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			I went to Emirat to study engineering.
		
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			Then the war started in Kuwait.
		
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			The 93.8, you couldn't get into 4
		
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			points in the total they needed extra to
		
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			allow me to be among the students.
		
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			So I had to go to Emirat UAE,
		
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			studied engineering there.
		
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			Then the war started in Kuwait in 1990.
		
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			So I had to stop and come back
		
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			to Kuwait.
		
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			I spent the whole war time there in
		
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			Kuwait.
		
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			SubhanAllah.
		
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			So the whole career just became unknown all
		
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			of a sudden.
		
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			After the war was over, I had a
		
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			moment of spirituality.
		
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			I went to Amra with a friend and
		
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			then we got accepted to Medina.
		
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			There in Medina, which was something I never
		
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			expected because who am I?
		
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			I'm like an intruder on all these Mawlana's
		
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			that come study with you.
		
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			SubhanAllah.
		
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			I ended up becoming the valedictorian.
		
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			And Shaykh Muhammad Sharif was there and he
		
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			was at the time I was actually my
		
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			third year when he joined.
		
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			He was asking me, he says you need
		
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			to come to Canada, come to the US.
		
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			You will do a great job.
		
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			I said no, thank you very much.
		
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			I'm not interested.
		
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			At that time, SubhanAllah, I said I'm not
		
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			going to come.
		
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			We finished and went to Bosnia and there
		
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			in Bosnia we spent the four years and
		
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			then I got a phone call from my
		
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			sister.
		
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			She said hey, they want somebody in El
		
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			Paso, Texas.
		
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			Why don't you come and visit?
		
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			I said I'm happy here.
		
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			I have been promoted.
		
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			I've become the director of the central region
		
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			for the organization.
		
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			I don't want to move out of this
		
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			place.
		
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			She goes why don't you come and visit?
		
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			You haven't seen your brother for 13 years.
		
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			So that kind of like a convincing moment.
		
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			I said you know what?
		
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			Why not?
		
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			Just a visit.
		
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			I came to El Paso.
		
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			I loved it.
		
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			I said you know what?
		
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			There's a huge potential for Dawah there.
		
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			And then eventually we stayed.
		
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			Alhamdulillah.
		
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			It was that moment that I realized I
		
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			had a connection at the regional mass, MSA
		
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			actually, MSA conference in Atlanta, Georgia.
		
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			When I was on the stage there was
		
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			Wissam Sharif and there was Imam Siraj Wahad
		
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			and myself was on that panel.
		
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			I'm just like, is that for real?
		
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			And then I told Imam Siraj, I said
		
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			this was my first meeting with him actually.
		
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			I said do you mind if I share
		
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			a personal story between us?
		
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			He looks at me like who are you
		
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			basically?
		
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			But okay, fine.
		
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			So I told the people, I said look,
		
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			I said subhanAllah, for me this is a
		
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			surreal moment.
		
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			Like now I realize that every wrong turn
		
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			that was going on in my life was
		
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			actually to get me here.
		
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			Like Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala was directing
		
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			the whole Qadr to get you where you
		
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			wanted to be.
		
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			Because more than 20 plus years ago I
		
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			said to myself one day I want to
		
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			be like this man.
		
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			And this man right now is actually here
		
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			with me on the stage.
		
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			So I never thought that this moment would
		
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			come in real life.
		
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			But everything went back again, full circle to
		
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			bring you back next to the man that
		
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			you said, I want to be like this
		
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			man.
		
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			Like failing in my high school, not finishing
		
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			my engineering in UAE.
		
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			The war in Kuwait even, subhanAllah.
		
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			All these circumstances just lead you where you
		
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			wanted to be.
		
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			And then that's when I told, I asked
		
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			Sheikh Imam Siraj one time, I said Sheikh
		
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			Imam Siraj, what happened to that great suit
		
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			that you were wearing on that debate?
		
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			He started laughing, he goes, it wasn't even
		
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			mine.
		
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			He said Imam Ahmed did that, he insists
		
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			that I had to wear a suit so
		
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			I had to borrow it from some friend.
		
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			That was it, the last time I wore
		
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			a suit.
		
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			I was going to say, I don't think
		
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			he's ever worn a suit since.
		
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			I have to tell you something crazy.
		
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			SubhanAllah, it's not a coincidence.
		
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			The first time I shared a stage with
		
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			Imam Siraj was IKNA Atlanta Regional Convention 2008.
		
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			And I remember freaking out.
		
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			I was like I can't, I've attended so
		
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			much of his so many of his lectures,
		
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			I've invited him to Louisiana.
		
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			I knew him at that point but he
		
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			got me speaking next to Imam Siraj I'm
		
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			like, I can't speak next to Imam Siraj
		
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			what are you guys doing?
		
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			I remember that moment, it's one of the
		
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			most vivid moments of my life.
		
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			SubhanAllah, sharing a stage with him and apologizing
		
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			profusely to him before starting like, sorry this
		
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			is bad adab, I don't know why they
		
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			put me here to speak next to you.
		
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			SubhanAllah, I want people to understand that the
		
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			influence Imam Siraj had on the dawah went
		
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			beyond the ocean.
		
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			It wasn't just locally here in the U
		
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			.S. In the Middle East, I was in
		
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			Kuwait at the time and completely young kid,
		
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			16 years old, and seeing a random man
		
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			on the stage with his demeanor, his akhlaq,
		
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			the way he was conducting the debate, it
		
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			was just like, wow I want to be
		
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			like this man.
		
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			And lo and behold, you have Imam Siraj
		
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			you have Imam Shbandeen, who was in Medina
		
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			while you were in El Paso and helping
		
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			with Khutla and now you both have 20
		
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			minutes from each other and you have Shaykh
		
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			Muhammad Sharif Alhamdulillah Shaykh, we dedicated this podcast
		
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			to Shaykh Muhammad Sharif Alhamdulillah the inspiration of
		
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			it Yeah, SubhanAllah Shaykh Muhammad I keep telling
		
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			people, look all what we see in terms
		
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			of the dawah how it shifted in America
		
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			in the West, in America in particular by
		
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			the grace of Allah first and foremost, and
		
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			then by the vision of this man Wallahi,
		
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			I think it's his vision the dawah as
		
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			we see it today in America a lot
		
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			of it had to do with how he
		
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			wanted it to be and how he saw
		
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			it that it should be in America and
		
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			mashallah, he did a great job in doing
		
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			that and not taking credit of it because
		
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			that wasn't really his major thing, he just
		
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			wanted to bring the best to the community,
		
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			Alhamdulillah and I always keep telling people, when
		
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			we were in Medina Shaykh Muhammad was somehow
		
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			getting frustrated from the way knowledge was taught
		
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			in Medina how the school was run in
		
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			Medina University and I could see just like
		
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			many of these Western students, SubhanAllah when they
		
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			come, they want to quit and so I
		
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			kind of calmed him down and so I
		
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			taught him a few tips here and there
		
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			on how to benefit from what he studied
		
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			and how he studied but when I came
		
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			here to the US he was the one
		
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			who taught me how to deliver that so
		
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			I keep telling people, look, Shaykh Muhammad I
		
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			taught him how to gain knowledge and he
		
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			taught me how to deliver it beautiful yeah,
		
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			it's just such an unbelievable thing because the
		
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			way we met was randomly not randomly, randomly
		
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			to us but to Allah subhanahu wa ta
		
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			'ala, it was another moment of qadr, that
		
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			I meet him at the Texas Da'wah
		
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			conference back in 2003, I believe, 2002 or
		
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			2003 and that wasn't even in the elevator,
		
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			that's when he saw me, oh my, Shaykh
		
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			Muhammad, what are you doing here?
		
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			I said, I'm coming to attend the program
		
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			he goes, no, no, you're going to talk
		
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			I said, come on man, I'm just here
		
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			with my family my English was not, I
		
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			wasn't confident yet with the English at the
		
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			time you're three years into the US at
		
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			that point very much, he goes, no, you're
		
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			going to speak and you're going to teach,
		
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			inshallah ta'ala the history of Islamic law
		
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			I'm like, yeah I couldn't even pronounce the
		
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			title you're like, I'm still trying to translate
		
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			my khutbahs, I'm sending them over I couldn't
		
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			even pronounce the title of the lecture in
		
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			English let alone to speak it freely and
		
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			mention it but wallahi he insisted, he said,
		
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			you're going to have to do it so
		
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			he spoke with Shaykh Waleed at the time,
		
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			subhanallah Shaykh Waleed didn't even know who I
		
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			am eventually we did that, and the rest
		
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			is just history he invited me a few
		
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			months later to come back to Houston while
		
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			he was teaching the tarikh al khulafa, the
		
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			conquest subhanallah class, what an experience and then
		
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			from there I got my personal training with
		
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			him which I still have the notes that
		
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			was another moment I was like, wow, subhanallah
		
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			I just found these notes that speak history
		
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			since 2003 and mashallah, I gave the credit
		
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			and the barakah of the da'wah that
		
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			we do today back to Shaykh Muhammad rahimahullah
		
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			wa ta'ala Shaykh so you as an
		
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			imam and you as a person one of
		
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			your qualities that seems to keep appearing is
		
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			the idea of you growing into fulfilling whatever
		
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			the need is of your community so if
		
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			it's I need to learn a language it's
		
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			I need to learn a language when you
		
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			arrived in the US you weren't known as
		
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			the Shaykh of marriage and love and these
		
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			types of things but I'm assuming you went
		
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			through an education process when you came to
		
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			the United States, is that what you did?
		
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			I blame it on the Maghreb Institute Allah
		
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			Akbar yeah, subhanallah I remember the first time
		
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			when it was Shaykh Muhammad it was here
		
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			in Dallas, one of those moments when we
		
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			were still trying to open a chapter in
		
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			Dallas Dallas was very difficult at the time
		
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			we were discussing which class we should start
		
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			first and so forth so he was suggesting
		
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			something that has to do with family and
		
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			I said, look, I cannot teach people family
		
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			before I teach them what fiqh is all
		
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			about so he goes, what do you suggest?
		
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			so I suggested to teach the history of
		
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			Islamic law he goes, you got it you
		
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			teach this one, and then the second one
		
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			what do we do?
		
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			so we start thinking about, okay, which class
		
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			would it be then we decided to do
		
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			something, we call it it's fiqh al-usra
		
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			I, using the lame titles I said, we'll
		
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			call it the fiqh al-usra fiqh of
		
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			family he goes, no, no, no he goes,
		
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			we're going to call it the fiqh of
		
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			love ya salam he's always had those moments
		
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			he was going like that in the hotel
		
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			room the fiqh of love his eyes are
		
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			always up there he sees beyond the walls
		
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			he sees beyond the time that he was
		
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			living he goes, we're going to call it
		
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			the fiqh the fiqh of love and I
		
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			said, I didn't know the word cheesy back
		
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			then, I said, it's something to that extent
		
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			I said, come on man he goes, no,
		
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			we're going to call it the fiqh of
		
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			love and you're going to teach, inshallah, the
		
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			whole class and so forth and we started
		
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			developing the content, alhamdulillah I showed it to
		
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			him and we approved it and we started
		
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			teaching the fiqh of love and because of
		
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			me trying to teach, of course this material,
		
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			we had to discuss love, we had to
		
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			discuss human psychology we had to discuss this,
		
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			we had to discuss that so I had
		
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			to take psychology class actually at the university
		
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			in El Paso, I went and registered and
		
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			I took a class for psychology, human psychology
		
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			I took another class actually as well too
		
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			and then I started learning, you know, my
		
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			own reading books on the subject and the
		
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			matter and listened to podcasts, there were no
		
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			podcasts back then but YouTube and all that
		
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			stuff it was a personal effort really to
		
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			get where you are.
		
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			In addition to that, of course experience, being
		
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			an imam, dealing with people self-counseling people,
		
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			helping people out and subhanAllah, right now just
		
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			we have the Muslim family consultant emerging out
		
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			of all of this.
		
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			And in 20 years you've taught thousands of
		
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			students the fiqh of love whether it's in
		
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			Maghreb cities or beyond in workshops and things
		
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			like that and other masajids and you've, I'm
		
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			sure seen thousands of cases as an imam
		
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			and beyond.
		
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			Actually the class itself evolved, so we taught
		
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			the fiqh of love first, which includes both
		
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			the fiqh material and also the husband-wife
		
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			material then from our students as they evolve
		
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			and emerge, mashAllah, they say we got married,
		
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			we heard you we understand now you guys
		
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			got married how can we keep how can
		
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			we stay married?
		
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			So the idea of the love notes class
		
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			came about, so this time we're going to
		
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			focus on how keeping people staying married.
		
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			So we discussed in this class, you know,
		
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			the nature of relationship, the nature of marriage
		
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			the difficulties, the hardships the rights and obligations
		
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			and all that stuff.
		
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			Alhamdulillah it went all over the world subhanAllah,
		
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			and then after some time people said hey,
		
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			we listened to you, we fell in love
		
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			we got married, we stayed married alhamdulillah, now
		
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			we have kids, we're having troubles, what do
		
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			we do?
		
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			So we developed a new class, which is
		
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			Protect This House which is all about family
		
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			and how to take care of your family
		
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			and run your family and stay together, alhamdulillah
		
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			and obviously there's more room to improve, so
		
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			here in Valley Ranch, for example one of
		
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			the things we did for the past many
		
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			years when the board once asked me we
		
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			need you to do parents asking for classes
		
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			for the youth and for the teenagers and
		
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			so on, I said sure, bismillah so what
		
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			did we do?
		
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			I developed parenting workshops, I said I'm gonna
		
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			teach the parents, not their kids so there
		
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			are tons of parenting workshops we did mashaAllah,
		
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			and I started taking some of these workshops
		
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			also around the country, people they ask for
		
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			them and we go, we travel, we teach
		
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			the people techniques on parenting and so on,
		
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			so it's evolving Sheikh, how's your diagnosis of
		
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			the Muslim family 2022?
		
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			Is it healthy?
		
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			Is it on life support?
		
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			It's tough and hard, but I speak in
		
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			the reality I'm really worried that what the
		
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			Prophet salallahu alayhi wa sallam has warned us
		
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			against, it would come to become a realization
		
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			I love to be optimistic obviously, there's always
		
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			alhamdulillah khayr in the Muslim ummah, as the
		
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			Prophet salallahu alayhi wa sallam says khayru fiyah
		
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			fi yawmati layum alqiyamah there's always be khayr
		
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			in this ummah until the day of judgement
		
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			but being real and looking at reality, the
		
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			Prophet salallahu alayhi wa sallam, one of the
		
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			things he told us when it comes to
		
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			the subject of marriage, he says if someone
		
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			comes to you proposing to your daughters and
		
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			you're pleased with their akhlaaq and their deen
		
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			then accept them in marriage, and then he
		
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			said illa taf'aluhu, takun fitnatu fil-adr,
		
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			fasadun arid if you're not going to do
		
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			this you're going to cause a lot of
		
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			corruption widespread corruption in the society and this
		
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			concerns me today for many many reasons the
		
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			way the Muslim family evolved 20 years ago
		
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			versus today our youth and their perception of
		
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			marriage as well too the criteria even to
		
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			get married and what you get married about
		
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			and for all this is shifting and changing
		
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			so sheikh as you're saying we're overwhelmed as
		
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			imams, those that have taken courses and those
		
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			that haven't taken courses personally it's tough to
		
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			be able to keep up because it's also
		
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			the breakdown doesn't really fit a particular mold
		
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			I feel like my first imam position January
		
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			2006 and I feel like the marriage and
		
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			divorce dynamics were a lot simpler back then
		
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			you could almost see the writing on the
		
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			wall now it's like both the marriages and
		
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			the divorces are catastrophic there are many complexities
		
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			there are many things where you can see
		
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			that it's not just one thing anymore it's
		
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			hard to diagnose by the time you diagnose
		
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			something you can't keep up with what can
		
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			we be doing differently as people of Dalat
		
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			what do we do better as imams to
		
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			be able to keep up with this first
		
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			of all as imams we are not trained
		
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			to do marriage counseling let's make it clear
		
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			I don't claim to be certified marriage counselor
		
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			but we do pastoral counseling which means our
		
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			spirituality and our training and certification you get
		
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			from training and so forth to help people
		
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			do that not all imams have that qualification
		
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			so therefore the first thing imams need to
		
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			do and understand what are their limitations if
		
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			people come in to ask you a fiqh
		
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			question is one thing but if they are
		
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			going to ask you a question that demands
		
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			and requires arbitration they need to stop they
		
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			need to not mix giving fatwa versus giving
		
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			verdict because sometimes the imams give fatwas in
		
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			a verdict situation that becomes catastrophic because everybody
		
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			says but you don't even know the context
		
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			and the extent of the situation so I
		
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			believe imams have one of two ways or
		
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			paths to do that whether they really take
		
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			some training in order for them to qualify
		
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			to give people the guidance they need through
		
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			their marriages or even divorces or learn to
		
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			about the local resources that they have where
		
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			they can divert people and direct people where
		
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			they need to go so if somebody wants
		
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			to go for arbitration we have certain agencies
		
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			you can go to for example people need
		
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			marriage counseling alhamdulillah we have these resources available
		
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			for you to go to as imams we
		
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			are not supposed to do all these things
		
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			talking about the imams role right so the
		
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			masajid for example from the very beginning whenever
		
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			they look for an imam you look at
		
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			the profile they are looking for 10 imams
		
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			they look at an imam who speaks English
		
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			and Urdu and Arabic good with youth and
		
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			good counselor they are looking for a prophet
		
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			I think they were looking for a prophet
		
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			not just a prophet basically it was an
		
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			impossible mission back then but alhamdulillah I think
		
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			our community is right now evolving to understand
		
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			the imam cannot do everything so they are
		
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			accepting the imam to stay in the imam
		
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			role while delegating this path to the people
		
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			so coming back to your point shaykh some
		
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			of the major issues I've seen so far
		
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			when it comes to the subject of marriage
		
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			for example the reason why people are getting
		
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			married has shifted and changed back in the
		
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			days people get married because this is a
		
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			moment in life it's more like a stepping
		
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			stone for them it's more like the right
		
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			of passage into adulthood and so forth so
		
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			getting married the average age used to be
		
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			in the early 20s but today with the
		
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			extreme radical self centric culture not everybody wants
		
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			to get married young anymore we want to
		
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			keep pushing to enjoy life individually as much
		
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			as we can before even thinking about getting
		
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			married which is why right now when people
		
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			want to get married they want to get
		
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			married and still live single it's just like
		
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			they don't understand the responsibility they want to
		
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			get married and still be single literally they
		
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			just want to get married and everybody wants
		
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			to have their single path to continue and
		
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			when it comes to of course living a
		
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			marital life you can't live this kind of
		
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			dual life which is why we have a
		
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			lot of clashes that didn't exist before it's
		
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			like in an individualistic society there's no sense
		
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			of collective progress therefore the idea of becoming
		
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			a collective when you get married like it
		
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			smells we're going to keep on and just
		
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			benefit transactionally 20 years ago, 30 years ago
		
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			when people used to get married they know
		
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			what to give what to take because the
		
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			culture set the expectation for them no matter
		
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			where they are whether they're educated or not
		
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			do you mean gender norms?
		
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			very much, it's not just that even when
		
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			they both work because I've seen it, I've
		
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			seen from the older generation both parents are
		
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			working so you have dual income busy lives,
		
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			this and that and so and so but
		
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			they work it out they still work it
		
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			out today among the younger generations when we
		
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			are still having two working husband and wife
		
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			working right now, household it seems they're having
		
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			a hard time and difficulty keeping it together
		
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			because the culture shifted the understanding in the
		
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			past, everybody knew that even though you're working
		
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			you still need to do this you need
		
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			to do this as a husband and wife
		
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			but today when you get married there's no
		
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			standard expectation from husband and wife anymore the
		
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			roof was completely removed and is now left
		
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			even to the young couple to decide for
		
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			themselves so when you have two people are
		
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			fighting for expectations and they keep pushing it
		
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			up and down, obviously they're going to rip
		
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			it apart which is why we're having all
		
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			these issues today among young couples today I
		
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			see a lot of young people they focus
		
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			so much on the event of marriage than
		
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			the marriage itself like there is so much
		
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			into documenting everything there is the whole you
		
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			know, halal bachelor parties and you have the
		
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			bridal showers and you have this and you
		
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			have that and each one of them would
		
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			cost you like an arm it would basically
		
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			cost them a lot of money right now
		
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			all these things but subhanallah, post the wedding
		
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			time there isn't much focus on it, so
		
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			there's no premarital training, there is no really
		
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			conversation about their spousal roles what to expect
		
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			of each other and so on so they
		
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			wait for it to be like training on
		
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			the job and that's why the way marriage
		
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			is being conducted today is actually unfortunately is
		
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			an unhealthy situation so when it comes to
		
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			divorce it's not like a textbook divorce anymore
		
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			like it used to be before a lot
		
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			of complex issues come into it whether it's
		
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			a matter of child support and custody for
		
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			example when it comes to prenuptial agreement or
		
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			post after that when it comes to keeping
		
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			the role of both having healthy co-parenting
		
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			for example, all these things are just becoming
		
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			very dangerous in our community today that is
		
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			causing so much damage a lot of it
		
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			is that I don't think we can discount
		
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			the collective trauma of the community too that
		
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			like when I go into a marriage I
		
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			know that all these people in my circle
		
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			didn't work out and so I'm even going
		
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			to project the doom of everyone around me
		
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			so I'm already my contingency plans are actually
		
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			my primary plans marriage is just so let's
		
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			see if this works or not and so
		
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			it's transactional from the start and so if
		
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			you're going into marriage and you're transactional divorce
		
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			is also going to be transactional try to
		
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			get as much money as you can try
		
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			to get as much of your right as
		
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			you can, try to use the court system
		
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			as much as you can, try to get
		
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			as much access to your kids as you
		
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			can or sometimes unfortunately the complete opposite of
		
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			that like I don't really want the kids
		
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			anymore but it feels like the self-centeredness
		
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			is like driving every single one of these
		
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			problems at the end of the day absolutely
		
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			and that's why unfortunately we forgot about them
		
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			and the Qur'an is clear, hold them
		
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			kindly or at least them kindly and it
		
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			has to be with observing Allah subhanahu wa
		
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			ta'ala above us in marriage and in
		
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			divorce as well too I was going to
		
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			ask you where's the taqwa in all this?
		
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			I mean if a person is marrying someone
		
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			who is someone you're pleased with then you
		
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			would expect that there would be some sort
		
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			of monitoring of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala
		
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			during the marriage and even during the divorce
		
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			so much of the divorce mentioned in the
		
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			Qur'an comes with goodness because people unfortunately
		
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			don't make this as a priority anymore I
		
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			ask people even the religious folk right now
		
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			every time I go to a youth program
		
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			for example a university program and talk about
		
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			the subject of marriage every time we do
		
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			that you ask them a simple question, how
		
00:52:46 --> 00:52:47
			many of you are single?
		
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			all of them probably raise their hands but
		
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			then what was the bigger problem not to
		
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			being married?
		
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			say we don't find suitable people yeah how
		
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			does that happen?
		
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			once again we have a whole long list
		
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			of criteria that didn't exist back then I
		
00:53:03 --> 00:53:04
			teach people, look when it comes to looking
		
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			for a person for marriage you have two
		
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			circles you have the primary circle, the main
		
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			circle and then you have the preference so
		
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			the primary circle is where you have your
		
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			main quality that you don't compromise and the
		
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			Prophet ï·º gave us two the relationship with
		
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			Allah, the Creator and the relationship with the
		
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			people of the creation their deen and their
		
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			akhlaq as simple as that, everything else is
		
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			a matter of preference so age culture, background,
		
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			socio-economic status, all these things and so
		
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			forth now a lot of people who are
		
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			now getting married, they're bringing a lot of
		
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			these preferences from the big circle and they
		
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			put them into the small circle so you
		
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			have a long list of requirements and the
		
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			more the more expansive the list the smaller
		
00:53:49 --> 00:53:52
			the pool that you're dealing with, that you're
		
00:53:52 --> 00:53:55
			going to find for yourself and that's one
		
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			of our issues but when you look at
		
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			what people are looking for, there's a long
		
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			list so taqwa becomes one out of many
		
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			and as a result obviously it gets diluted,
		
00:54:03 --> 00:54:05
			what level of taqwa are we talking about?
		
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			what do you mean by what level of
		
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			taqwa to begin with?
		
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			so that's why it's missing what about those
		
00:54:10 --> 00:54:15
			people because I know it's probably when we
		
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			talk about being imams it's almost the danger
		
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			of being an imam sometimes the generalizations don't
		
00:54:20 --> 00:54:23
			fit people at all, like you find sisters
		
00:54:24 --> 00:54:26
			brothers as well sometimes that are like incredible
		
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			human beings and they're just not they're not
		
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			able to find a spouse that's true, I
		
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			mean subhanAllah, once again I think let's be
		
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			real one of the biggest problems we have
		
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			is the visuals the image, the body culture
		
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			we live in a hyper-sexualized society the
		
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			image, the body culture and sometimes the parents
		
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			and sometimes from the parents as well too
		
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			yeah, so among the young ones usually it's
		
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			actually the visuals are very very important and
		
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			as a result they keep always wishing and
		
00:54:58 --> 00:55:00
			waiting and maybe this, maybe this, so they
		
00:55:00 --> 00:55:02
			don't do that the second thing also comes
		
00:55:02 --> 00:55:07
			specifically from traditional households and cultural households, the
		
00:55:07 --> 00:55:10
			parents, they insist on someone from the same
		
00:55:10 --> 00:55:11
			town, the same village the same, you know,
		
00:55:12 --> 00:55:14
			culture, background and so forth, and they keep
		
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			pushing their children's marriage until it becomes unfortunately
		
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			a hopeless case I know some guys who
		
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			are in the past their 30s and they
		
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			don't want to get married anymore because they
		
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			just gave up on it unfortunately, similarly we
		
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			have a lot of ladies who unfortunately as
		
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			well too, they've given up on it it's
		
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			not like we have a solution for this
		
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			but that's the real problem that no one
		
00:55:37 --> 00:55:39
			really wants to talk about we are getting
		
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			to that level where we have a huge
		
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			number of unmarried young men and women in
		
00:55:45 --> 00:55:49
			their late 20s and 30s and we don't
		
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			seem to be having any infrastructure or system
		
00:55:52 --> 00:55:56
			to help them out and find a suitable
		
00:55:56 --> 00:56:00
			match for themselves what impact we're wrapping up
		
00:56:00 --> 00:56:05
			a couple more questions what impact does this
		
00:56:05 --> 00:56:07
			have on the future of Islam in America
		
00:56:07 --> 00:56:12
			it has a big impact obviously one of
		
00:56:12 --> 00:56:16
			the highlights of the Muslim tradition is the
		
00:56:16 --> 00:56:21
			strength of the nuclear family the family, the
		
00:56:21 --> 00:56:24
			household is strong, it produces the believers, obviously
		
00:56:24 --> 00:56:27
			but if we are coming right now from
		
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			broken homes even if they're still together but
		
00:56:31 --> 00:56:33
			they're still unfortunately not in a healthy relationship,
		
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			you can imagine who's going to put faith
		
00:56:35 --> 00:56:38
			priority in that moment who's going to think
		
00:56:38 --> 00:56:41
			about spirituality as a priority for themselves they've
		
00:56:41 --> 00:56:44
			become an emotional survivor they just want to
		
00:56:44 --> 00:56:48
			keep managing their household, their family they're tiptoeing
		
00:56:48 --> 00:56:51
			around each other you're surviving not thriving exactly,
		
00:56:52 --> 00:56:54
			so it really affects the quality of our
		
00:56:54 --> 00:56:56
			community in addition to that of course when
		
00:56:56 --> 00:56:58
			young men and women they reach a certain
		
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			age and eventually they realize they're not going
		
00:56:59 --> 00:57:02
			to get married at all and there's no
		
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			really hope for them to get married in
		
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			the community I've seen a lot that many
		
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			of these brothers and sisters they start losing
		
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			their faith, women removing their hijabs for example
		
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			guys come outside on the social media, vocal
		
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			on their new lifestyle that has nothing to
		
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			do with Islam and so forth it's fitna
		
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			may Allah make it easy for them I
		
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			mean we wish well for them and I
		
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			know we talk about this a lot honestly
		
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			this is our biggest concern, I mean we've
		
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			seen it's like the veil gets lifted on
		
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			the issues in the community I mean the
		
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			first shock for me was domestic violence we
		
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			don't have time to jump into that right
		
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			now this is a real issue in our
		
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			community not more in our community than outside
		
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			but like woah what's happening here I can't
		
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			believe this is happening it seems so under
		
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			the wraps and then like the crisis of
		
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			marriage now as a whole and divorce as
		
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			a whole subhanAllah because we don't want to
		
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			end on complete pessimism here, we have to
		
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			obviously respond with our resources and try to
		
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			give specific resources to people with specific needs
		
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			in this regard because not everyone is the
		
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			same, everyone is struggling differently in this regard
		
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			and we want to definitely be able to
		
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			have the proper resources as a community it
		
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			can't just be on the imams but I'll
		
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			share this especially with the young aspiring parents,
		
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			you know you talked about Imam Savage being
		
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			your inspiration and things of that sort you
		
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			know when you're looking at the TV to
		
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			me my greatest da'i was my dad
		
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			and he had no idea he was doing
		
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			da'i to me as a young person
		
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			that was very conflicted about faith seeing the
		
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			way that he treated my mother and Allah
		
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			have mercy on her by his character and
		
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			how the deen engineered him the loyalty, the
		
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			character that was the greatest da'i that
		
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			was being done to me he didn't even
		
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			know he was doing da'i to his
		
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			own son in the process we have to
		
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			give our next generation a model they believe
		
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			in they've got to see Islam in their
		
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			parents they've got to see Islam in that
		
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			generation so if you're preaching a superior way
		
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			of life and of faith but then in
		
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			their own family life in their own home
		
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			they're not seeing that superiority in fact they
		
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			might even be seeing inferiority the opposite then
		
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			that calls into question the entire system all
		
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			the khutbas, all the stories of the prophets
		
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			lies on them, all of that gets called
		
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			into question there's a myth that religious people
		
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			have perfect households if you become religious it's
		
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			going to be amazing but they're also human
		
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			beings it's our responsibility to make sure that
		
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			our kids Alhamdulillah see the right image of
		
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			Islam in our lives as much as we
		
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			can and that's why when parents come to
		
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			me for advice on parenting a guy asked
		
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			me what is the best advice you've given
		
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			about parenting I said love their mother that's
		
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			the most important thing and the same thing
		
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			I give to the mother as well too
		
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			because this is the first thing your kids
		
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			are going to grow up with how life
		
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			should look like, how they model their marriages
		
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			in the future and so forth but to
		
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			the good note Alhamdulillah in regards to the
		
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			subject of marriage we have in our communities
		
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			Alhamdulillah I think there's a new trend I
		
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			believe Alhamdulillah a new trend among young couples
		
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			today to have to do premarital marriage premarital
		
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			training before they get married it's becoming easy
		
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			in the past I hardly had anybody coming
		
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			for premarital training now Mashallah it's more increasing
		
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			Alhamdulillah why is that important Shaikh what do
		
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			you look for, what does it help for
		
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			that person who's like why do I need
		
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			to do it because you can't drive your
		
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			car without having a license you can't go
		
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			practice engineering or being a doctor without doing
		
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			so and so today you have to go
		
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			through all this training to be qualified to
		
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			do something and then you have a life
		
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			long experience you don't want to have any
		
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			qualification, any training for that in the past
		
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			we took that training just simply by observing
		
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			our parents our uncles, our aunts, our siblings
		
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			and so on but the models we have
		
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			around us are unfortunately not healthy anymore so
		
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			it's better for us to have somebody who
		
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			can teach us professionally so that's why we
		
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			teach them premarital training in which you study
		
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			personalities so you know what strength and weakness
		
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			of each personality, what you need to worry
		
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			about what you need to keep in your
		
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			mind we talk about the phases of a
		
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			relationship how it evolves from being in love
		
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			to being a real love and then you
		
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			go through this phase and that phase so
		
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			we learn exactly how it evolves so they
		
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			have a road map for them instead of
		
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			just predicting it on the way being surprised
		
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			every time yeah right, it's like I didn't
		
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			expect that well that's the thing, they need
		
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			to be prepared for this and of course
		
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			part of the training is to learn about
		
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			the most common problems young couples face in
		
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			the first years of their marriage just like
		
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			Hudaibah radiyallahu ta'ala he said, people used
		
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			to ask the Prophet about what was good
		
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			and ask about the bad stuff I don't
		
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			want to be caught up with that thing
		
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			so I want to know what's right, what's
		
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			wrong so that's something we teach Alhamdulillah and
		
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			there's a beautiful acceptance among young people and
		
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			parents right now willing to invest in it
		
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			in the past people would say too much,
		
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			too expensive, it costs this much you haven't
		
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			tried divorce seriously, it's so dangerous the other
		
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			thing Alhamdulillah I see that's something good news
		
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			for the community right now the concept of
		
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			prenuptial agreement many people they have a negative
		
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			feeling about it but look it falls under
		
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			the shurut al nikah in Islam when you
		
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			have conditions in the marriage contract you can
		
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			put whatever you want to put there as
		
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			long as it's not haram so here people
		
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			come with assets before they get married in
		
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			this case we help them keep themselves Alhamdulillah
		
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			protected because again the reality is telling us
		
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			that people are not trained after divorce to
		
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			be fair unfortunately or civil or something like
		
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			that so that's something right now people are
		
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			becoming more accepting of that not that it's
		
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			the best thing to do but if someone
		
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			has an asset that needs to be protected
		
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			you know for themselves they understand that if
		
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			Laqadarallah the case was actually death it has
		
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			gone to inheritance but if it was otherwise
		
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			then at least they're protected it put them
		
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			at ease when they come into the relationship
		
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			obviously again it's not the ideal situation but
		
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			there's much more understanding among young people to
		
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			say yeah you know what I have no
		
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			problem with that I can sign this agreement
		
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			and so on and there's much more of
		
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			course but Alhamdulillah I think we still have
		
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			MashaAllah hope and the training we do the
		
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			people coming back to learn about it and
		
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			InshaAllah it's gonna produce healthy families in the
		
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			future Sheikh Hamad you have a chance to
		
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			ask one more question I'm gonna do rapid
		
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			fire oh that's pretty much you ready Sheikh
		
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			Hamad?
		
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			I gotta do rapid fire actually before that
		
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			I'm gonna ask Sheikh Hamad a question what
		
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			town in Palestine is Sheikh Yasir from?
		
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			I have no idea you didn't even try
		
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			you've been there it doesn't resemble any town
		
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			it resembles Al-Quds Sheikh Yasir MashaAllah they're
		
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			very proud Alhamdulillah well the reason Sheikh Hamad
		
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			is asking this question because his wife is
		
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			from the same town MashaAllah where are you
		
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			from in Palestine?
		
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			Tulkarab sorry Sheikh Yasir so here are the
		
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			rapid fire questions if you had to replace
		
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			the other Imam of the RIC who would
		
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			you replace him with?
		
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			Allah we're gonna need you to edit him
		
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			out crop him out from now you're supposed
		
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			to say you're irreplaceable I never want to
		
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			replace you you see how quickly he answered
		
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			that was so fast you can come but
		
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			I'll move to I'm not moving to Houston
		
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			I heard you don't even have an office
		
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			I have an office MashaAllah I think Alhamdulillah
		
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			Valley Rant is really it's not really one
		
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			man thing Alhamdulillah it's the community and also
		
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			Alhamdulillah the leadership that we have as Imams
		
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			in the community that makes it unique Alhamdulillah
		
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			so definitely don't worry when I replace you
		
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			if there was one more place other than
		
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			Dallas that you could live in the United
		
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			States what would it be?
		
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			what's another city you'd live in?
		
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			near the beach New York that's what he
		
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			means Jones Beach something warm a beach where
		
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			people don't curse at you for no reason
		
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			that's love though I think being near the
		
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			water is essential because it reminds me of
		
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			Jannah the sound of the water it's beautiful
		
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			I think maybe I think about that because
		
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			of the age factor right now you need
		
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			to have quiet time nothing but listen to
		
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			the waves and the wind MashaAllah it's so
		
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			beautiful this is the last question this is
		
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			a serious one I think it's a good
		
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			one a young person comes up to you
		
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			and says they want to get involved what's
		
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			the first advice you give them in a
		
01:06:01 --> 01:06:03
			nutshell you have an elevator conversation with a
		
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			young person they need to learn to read
		
01:06:08 --> 01:06:09
			the Quran they need to learn to read
		
01:06:09 --> 01:06:11
			the Quran better first the first thing I
		
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			tell them is to go actually to read
		
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			the Quran have a Quran teacher let him
		
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			teach you the Quran and then I usually
		
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			tell people to try to memorize Juz Amma
		
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			and study the Holy Hadith that's the most
		
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			important thing I think it's beautiful the simplicity
		
01:06:27 --> 01:06:30
			like we're doing the Abu Salihin for how
		
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			many years now?
		
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			and it's still finding so much benefit in
		
01:06:34 --> 01:06:36
			the Abu Salihin Alhamdulillah he also gave us
		
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			that advice maybe 10 or 12 years ago
		
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			same advice memorize Juz Amma and the 40
		
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			Hadith because if you ever need to give
		
01:06:47 --> 01:06:49
			a Khatir or Khutbah or anything like that
		
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			you'll have that foundation at the very least
		
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			and I think also in addition to that
		
01:06:54 --> 01:06:57
			it's the discipline you're gonna really learn from
		
01:06:57 --> 01:06:59
			doing that if you don't have the stamina
		
01:06:59 --> 01:07:01
			to stay there to read how to recite
		
01:07:01 --> 01:07:05
			properly and memorize Juz Amma and study the
		
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			40 Hadith then we don't want you in
		
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			the Dawah field they're gonna be an obstacle
		
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			but Shaykh what if I don't want to
		
01:07:12 --> 01:07:13
			be a teacher or anything like that I
		
01:07:13 --> 01:07:15
			want to be in the Dawah field in
		
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			some other capacity like I want to distribute
		
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			food even then I gotta learn how to
		
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			read the Quran you should I mean obviously
		
01:07:21 --> 01:07:23
			not everybody is just like Ibn Mas'ud
		
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			and Ibn Abbas for example they were people
		
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			who are just very simple people they didn't
		
01:07:27 --> 01:07:29
			know that so if a person is not
		
01:07:29 --> 01:07:31
			in the capacity of teaching Dawah or talking
		
01:07:31 --> 01:07:34
			to people about Islam just only they want
		
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			to if they were told do this do
		
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			that then Alhamdulillah the only thing we need
		
01:07:39 --> 01:07:40
			for them is just to find a mentor
		
01:07:40 --> 01:07:43
			to be under their guidance don't do it
		
01:07:43 --> 01:07:46
			on your own Jimmy Faisal says don't go
		
01:07:46 --> 01:07:50
			out alone stay with the Jama'at his
		
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			most famous quote Ya Jama'at so you
		
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			gotta stay with the group stay with the
		
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			Jama'at we gotta stay with each other
		
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			Alhamdulillah that's what we're trying to do Shaykh
		
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			even with this podcast honestly is just like
		
01:07:59 --> 01:08:01
			try to reconnect people with some of the
		
01:08:01 --> 01:08:02
			pioneers in the Dawah some of the people
		
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			in the Dawah and I think at the
		
01:08:04 --> 01:08:05
			end of the day our success is going
		
01:08:05 --> 01:08:08
			to be through of course first and foremost
		
01:08:08 --> 01:08:10
			sincerity and being connected to Allah but also
		
01:08:10 --> 01:08:12
			being connected to each other in that shuraan
		
01:08:12 --> 01:08:15
			and trying to draw insights JazakAllah Khair Shaykh
		
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			appreciate you being with us we'll see you
		
01:08:18 --> 01:08:22
			tonight InshaAllah I just want to make everyone
		
01:08:22 --> 01:08:28
			jealous MashaAllah I'm jealous MashaAllah I'm a little
		
01:08:28 --> 01:08:31
			threatened now he said so quickly that he
		
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			replaced me with you I'm a little threatened
		
01:08:32 --> 01:08:36
			I don't want the camera man come to
		
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			Dallas InshaAllah we'll stay in Houston but we'll
		
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			come to Dallas JazakAllah Salam Allah
		
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			Allah Allah Allah