Naima B. Robert – Where Are they Now Muslimah Author Summit 2022

Naima B. Robert
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A woman discusses her experiences with writing and self-pagging, as well as her involvement in various projects, including a book and international events. She talks about her struggles with selling her book and collecting funds for it, as well as her campaign in the upcoming election and the challenges of selling her book in a hybrid publisher. She emphasizes the importance of writing and being a black person to be recognized and empowered.
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Smilla

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Bismillah wa salatu wa salam ala Rasulillah. Hopefully we are live

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in sha Allah. Super, super excited to be presenting a very, very

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special session in the Muslim writers summit 2022.

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It's been, you know, several years since our first summit, our first

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summit was in 2018, I believe. And in that summit, we had the honor

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of hosting a whole plethora of Muslim writers who were doing

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amazing things at the time. And to be fair, and to be honest, they

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have continued doing amazing things. Mashallah. So in this

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session, we are going to catch up some of the sisters or some of the

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sisters who

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did presentation boxted was at a summer summer writers Summit. So I

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would love for you guys all welcome in love with me. I

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shouldn't wrap my rock. You say it. Some of you will be familiar

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with them because they've either spoken at the summit before or you

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know earlier this this summit or their presentations earlier on.

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So ladies a big a Salam.

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aleikum wa Salam wa rahmatullah wa barakato.

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Very excited to have you guys here.

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I'm super excited for you guys. Here Ma sha Allah. Guys, if you

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want to take a picture for the gram, please do so in sha Allah,

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and make sure that you tag me and tag our authors as well. I'll be

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inviting you obviously to follow them on Instagram. I will put

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links to their Instagram and their books underneath the video once

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it's been published Inshallah, so not to worry. We want you to

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support them as much as possible. But what are we here to do today,

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we are here to find out where they are now, because I really I follow

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everybody here on Instagram. So I know what they've been up to. But

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I bet that most of you who are watching this do not know what

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they've been up to. Right. So I want you to see from where they

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were in 2018 what their journey has looked like since then. One of

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the main takeaways that I hoped for from the summit was to show

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you my dear sister, the different journeys that our sisters take on

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the road to becoming authors. They start in different places, they

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have different goals in mind. They write different types of books,

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they write for different age groups, they have different

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pathways to publishing. But eventually, they all achieve what

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many of you are aiming for, which is to become a writer, to become

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an author.

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See the diversity in everyone's experiences. And I hope, hope

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Insha Allah, that you will be inspired by this and you will see

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that there isn't just one way to succeed as an author or as a

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writer. In fact, there are as many ways as there are people on this

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panel people in this audience so inshallah I'd like to start off

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with inviting sister Rama, Rhoda, to tell us who she is. What is her

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latest book and give us an update sis on what's been going on since

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your last appearance at the summit? Take it away, sis.

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Okay, so I'm Alikum everyone, just Aquila Hara for having me again.

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Honestly, I think the last time at the summit, I remember vividly

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talking to you.

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I was at that time, seven months pregnant, I believe with my third

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child, I think I just remember having that conversation with you.

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And I was I was heavily pregnant. So I mean, 2018 seems so far away

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yet. It seems like yesterday, in terms of you know, when we look

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back at all the things that have happened. I mean, these last

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couple years just feel like it's just we haven't moved just because

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of the whole pandemic. But Alhamdulillah I have to say that a

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lot of things have happened. First and foremost, all praises and

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thanks are to Allah. We make efforts but Allah opens ways and

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makes our journey easier. So everything that has happened for

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me is by the grace of Allah. So the last time I spoke to you, I

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think I had one book that was published and it's this one. It's

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Hemus quest. So I have two books that I have self published. And

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just a little bit about me and my journey. If you had looked at if

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you had listened to my talk at the at the last summit, I think what I

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was talking about was utilizing so

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Social media as a way of for marketing. And what I was sharing

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was just how my presence on social media had given me the ability to

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kind of connect with other people, I had been able to be featured in

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some of local coverage, and had opportunities to do several

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different things. So how social media could be utilized in terms

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of your author branding, and your author presence, and how

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collaborations and just just being visible on there opens doors for

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you. So that's I had this one book on behemoths quest. And I in 2018,

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I had released the second book called Little brother for sale at

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that time, I'm not exactly sure if it had released it or not, but

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that's this one came out.

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And 2018.

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And, you know, I, the reason why I chose self publishing is, I didn't

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choose self publishing as a second option. For me, it was really

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important to tell the stories. And primarily, the reason why I write

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is for the Representation of Black Muslim children. And I find that

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there's very little books that that has those two separate

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identities, but are vitally important intersectional

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identities represented in a way that is a positive representation.

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So for me, that's the reason why I write these stories. And I chose

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self publishing because I didn't want to wait for many, many years

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before I was able to tell the stories, I didn't want to go

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through the process of traditionally publishing, I think

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I didn't even look into that. I had the inspiration for the first

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story that I written Hemus quest, and I decided just to figure out

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how I was going to do self publishing, and I was able to do

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that. And then I wrote that second book, and I published that.

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And then moving on from there, I continued to do my work, continued

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to use social media in order to connect with other authors to do

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promotion for my books, just to network and to connect with the

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Muslim authors, authors on on the different platforms.

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And 2019, I got the opportunity to actually do a TEDx talk. And I was

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able to do that. I think when the opportunity came, I think I was

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three months postpartum, when I gave the speech, I was six months

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postpartum. One of the best things that I've done one of the most

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difficult things that I've did, but it was really just me once

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again, sharing my story, why? I my journey as an immigrant here to in

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Canada, coming here as a young child, not even to speak the

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language, my love of literature, the reason why I decided to become

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an author and tell the stories, why it's important to have this

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representation of the Black Muslim children in picture books. And I

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was able to do that. Also, in 2019. My book, little brother for

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sale, won an award at the deep break a word where I met Sister

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Taiba, I was really happy to go to the US, for the first time

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actually, and traveled there. I'm located in Canada. And so I, that

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also happened. And in 2020, actually, as we all know, there

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was the rise of the Black Lives Matter movement during that time.

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A few years ago, I think in 2018, I had written a piece, titled dear

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black child, and that piece was just talking about the identity of

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being a child in existence and taking up space as a black child,

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and what that represent and what that looks like. And I really

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wanted to do something differently with this piece. And I really

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wanted to have a go to the traditionally published route. And

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I actually looked for agents. As you know, the traditionally

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published route requires you to go through different gatekeepers, you

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would have to first query an agent. Then once you get an agent,

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that agent will then pitch publishers, and then you might

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might not get a book deal. And then even after you get the book

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deal, it takes several years for your book to be on the market. I

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wanted this latest manuscript that I had written to have a wider

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audience and I didn't feel like it fit into what I had originally

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self published, such as just that intersectionality of the Black

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Muslim children it really just

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Book to being as a black child. And I thought that it could

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benefit a lot of people. And you know, quite honestly, as well as

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you do as a self published author, you just don't have that reach

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that you can get, as traditionally publish author do, just because of

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those channels of distribution, and those connections that these

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big publishers have. So I think around 2019, I would generally

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quietly, just look for agents. And I did that for a while I was not

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able to get an agent 2020, summer to 2020, there was a lot of events

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that were happening in terms of the Black Lives Matter movements.

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And in one of the events was organized by an author here in

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Canada, where she had kind of did a summit, where a lot of black

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authors in Canada were kind of doing a online summit and things

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like that. And during that summit, I actually decided to read part of

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the piece that I had written. And what happened was, is that one a

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few months later, and an agent, not an agent, actually, I should

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say an editor from HarperCollins, Canada reached out to me to say,

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we had heard you speak at this event. Have you ever thought about

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putting your this piece that you have written in a form of picture

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book, which I have wanted to do for years, but at that point, I

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had kind of kind of given up because it's just very difficult

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to just kind of make that leap or get discovered or have or however

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you phrase it. And so once again, it was just an opportunity for me

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that I had,

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that I have been wanting, but by putting yourself out there by

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still continuing to do the work, by still, networking by still

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being at the right places at the right time, you're still able to

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get those opportunities, and once again, you know, praises to Allah

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Al Hamdulillah, that I was at that place at that time that that

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person heard that, that peace of mind. And I was then subsequently

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able to

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talk to that editor, I advised her that I didn't have representation

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as informed of an agent. And then her introduced me to several

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agents, me interviewing, interviewing several agents, and

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then signing with an agent in 2020. Once I signed with the

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agent, we were able to then pitch that manuscript to several

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publishers. And I was able to get a two book deal with

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HarperCollins, Canada and US in a two book deal, the first book

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coming out in September 27 2022, titled dear black child, like I've

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spoken about, and the second book is coming out, I we don't have a

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date yet, but I believe it's going to be in 2024. Just because, you

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know, publishing takes a long time. So that one is going to be

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titled, dear Muslim child. And once again, these manuscripts are

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really literally coming from a place of these two separate

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identities that are dear and to my heart, and just kind of informed

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of love letters to either a black child or a Muslim child. So I'm

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really excited to have made now this transition into traditionally

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publish.

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I believe that my experience in self publishing really gave me the

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voice and the ability to speak up in the this new journey. Because

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when you're dealing with editors, you have to understand that this

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industry is obviously mainly

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occupied by female white woman and navigating the spaces when you

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have work and and and your writing and in ways that perhaps they have

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never experienced, they don't know about you, there's a lot of

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advocating that you have to do. There's a lot of things that you

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have to speak up about because perhaps they don't know. And I

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remember that when we were kind of we were kind of several times when

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we I had spoken I had many offers for the manuscript and a lot of

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the editors that I spoken to told me, yes, we really want to

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commercialize this. We really want to tone this down. We really want

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to highlight this and for me, it was really important to not only

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highlight

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The positive and joy aspect of being black, but also speaking

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about the difficulties and the things that are relevant and the

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things that our children at a young age are aware of, and the

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things that we cannot hide away from. But perhaps as someone from

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coming from a different experience, those never walked at,

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like, you know, in in our experience, then they don't know

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that. So it's really important to advocate for yourself. And because

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I already had published because I had already had a vision for the

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type of work that I wanted to do, I was easy for me to speak up in

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these spaces, and these conversation or really advocate

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for my, my book to be published in a way that I had envisioned to be

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published. And you just show up differently when you are, when you

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are aware of what your mission is and what you stand for. So I

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really do advocate for

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I do really do advocate for self publishing. And in 2021, I have

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also launched a platform where I do help self published authors

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just kind of thrive in in that industry, and just help them

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navigate that process. So you can find me on social media at

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ramboda. And you can also find me my other platform at self pub self

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published legacy, where I help authors and do that. So that's

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pretty much a little bit a catch up of what's that's what's

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happening. I'm still writing and I hope to continue to add to this

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space and to continue to add to the Representation of Black Muslim

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children. Just like Calacatta Naima for having me over again.

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I'm always happy to be in your community and in your circle and I

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appreciate you and I thank you for the support.

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Oh, does that color cool? Okay, wow, what a serendipitous journey

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Masha Allah thank you so much for that and well done mob rule. Or

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when you are saying HarperCollins Oh, that's pig Mashallah. That's

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big May Allah put all the baraka in it for you. I mean, I mean,

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some I mean, and I love the fact that you've also moved into

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helping others with the self publishing knowledge that you've

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gained, mashallah, because, you know, at the end of the day, the

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things that I was saying this, every one of us is 510 50 steps

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ahead of somebody else. So even if we may not be experts in whatever

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it is that we doing, we are ahead of somebody else. So mashallah,

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you've got to self published successes under your belt, you've

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done fantastic work with social media and PR and Alhamdulillah

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putting yourself out there puts you at an opportunity for you to

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be able to take your message up to a much higher level mashallah, so

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we're very proud of you well done and Insha Allah, we're looking out

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for you guys. Make sure you follow system on

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Instagram, so you can be updated on the release of her next book.

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I'm so happy hamdulillah Aisha Adams, we saw you earlier in the

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summit. Mashallah. But what's been happening on the book front since

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the 2018. Summit?

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Okay, Hamdulillah He also Laplace was not.

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Okay. 2018, I think had just published one book, my published

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it in 2016, which that was the only book I had, at the time of

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that summit.

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And after that summit, life happened. So I took very ill and I

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was away for almost a year, actually more than a year. But my

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coming out, I came out with rice irrespective, I hope you can see

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the book.

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And this book was a book I worked on with nine months of my

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remember.

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The book was actually intended to

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give back because that period was a very challenging period for me.

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Because 2018 was quite unstable. I was unstable in my relationship in

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my health in a lot of things. And so writing riser respectively, was

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more about me reminding myself that I needed to rise above

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everything that was happening.

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And I need to write strong, but it was also a gift to other people

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who are struggling like myself. And it's been an amazing book, the

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experience the reviews, the

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feedbacks I get from people. I've not had anyone buy the book,

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except that they will come back and buy other copies for other

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people. So yes, the book has been doing very well.

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And I think that I waited for some time, I kept pushing rights

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irrespective but there

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I'm also very passionate about them humanitarian service. So

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usually a percentage of whatever it is that I earn from my book,

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sales goes to the charity that I run called Citicorp.

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So I continue to work on that front pushing the book and pushing

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my humanitarian work. And then around that period, do I lost a

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very close friend of mine to cancer.

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And so I published a book in her memory, and that I used last year,

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the last fall, I hope you can see it.

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And last year, I got some awards. Sorry, I'm not very detailed in

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describing but I just wanted to share points of things that I had

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achieved in that time.

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And yeah, so I went on to actually are featured in the film

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that touched on polygyny. And all of these things actually, were on

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the back of the success of my book because more people knew about

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rights respective, I got more speaking engagements, I got mine

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International and invitation to speak at an international event.

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But COVID happened. So we weren't able to finalize that, cuz I

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wasn't able to travel. Because of that.

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A lot of good things, really speaking engagements.

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feature in different

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events

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that had to do with book writing that had to do in motivating women

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that had to do with humanitarian work on the back of rights

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respective actually.

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And then, so I published the last call in memory of

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my friend passed away.

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And that was last year. But then Ramadan came, and I wanted to give

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a gift to people. So I wrote a book, an ebook, called them draft

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Paragon.

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I didn't think that it was going to go very far. What amazingly, I

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got almost 1000 downloads of the book, within the first two weeks

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of

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announcing that I had a free book to share. And, you know, from

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across 10 countries they're about, I was really blown away by the

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reception and the warm responses that people, you know, sent and

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said, Oh, you know, thank you very much for the fantastic gift, and

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all of these kinds of things.

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So yeah, end of last year, I got two awards that had to do with my

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NGO work, but also

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how the my writing and my speaking has impacted people.

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I'm very big on trauma recovery, I'm very big on supporting people

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to raise from whatever life throws at them.

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Life is hard enough, you don't need to go through the dark

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toenail by yourself and to the work I do and the things that I

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write and things that I lend my voice to are usually about helping

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people get out of that tunnel

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and haven't featured in a film. And having done a lot of content,

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writing for TV programs, Islamic TV programs, and all of that I

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became more interested in screenwriting, because I saw that

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as another opportunity to put out quality content that will speak to

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the things that I was very passionate about, which is dour

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trauma, recovery, humanitarian work and all of these kinds of

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things. And it's really because of the way that I believe Islam has

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been represented where I live in Nigeria.

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I felt that there was a need for me to

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be more professional about screenwriting and know. The so I

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put in an application I got a scholarship to study

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screenwriting.

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And yeah, so I have been on that, and I'm currently working on a

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film with a group of people.

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That's about it's a very short Oh, how can I forget? How can I forget

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about oh, I should really sorry. Oh, good. I forget that rice we

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were expecting got picked for sure. I'm gonna be speaking about

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riser. spective.

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And I don't know how do I call it Okay, so there's this thing called

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Social Media Week. It's a week long of events, speaking, panel

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sessions and all of those kinds of things. And so rises spective got

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picked as one of the books that will be discussed at this week,

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which is starting tomorrow. And so on Wednesday, I'm going to be

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speaking about the lessons from my perspective, in a very big

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platform. And I'm excited.

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Yeah.

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I see you've just been lazy really since the summit. You're just not

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anything heavy.

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I mean you've just been resting on your laurels taking it easy and

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the comfort zone just I mean I'm disappointed to be fair.

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But I'm allow thinking that's me. Oh, I just wanted to let

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everyone know my friend she client, she's a graduate from my

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programs and we are in touch. But even I didn't know all this stuff

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up tomorrow I like to take a bit of a dark horse and a lot of new

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things you've been doing you writing areas that you've leaned

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into, and I'm so proud of you mashallah, like just keep swinging

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that pen just flew just keep doing it. Mashallah. Excellent work. It

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makes you let us

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know

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when nobody

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I won

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that she created the ebook, and it was downloaded as

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the spot, meaningless size at the moment.

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Oh, I can hear the moment over the line is really bad. Yeah, I was

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saying how what is the size of your mailing list at the moment?

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Oh,

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I think less than 5000 Less than five.

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Okay. Hamdu lillahi, Rabbil Alameen. Guys, in the previous

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workshop, we were talking about building your list and I society

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is one of my clients. That's why should be building a list. And

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she's got almost 5000 people on that list. Mashallah. Well done,

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sis, very, very proud of you well done, and yet more exciting things

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to come be in line. I also just want to say as well, because I

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know I should I know that she was very unwell for a very long time.

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We didn't hear from her. When she came out of that illness. She came

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on to the release program with us. She is and she still holds the

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record for the client who wrote her first draft in the shortest

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time. Was it three weeks Aisha?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And this was

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she was ill like us still ill at that. We are very ill actually

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very ill.

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But I am fully recovered. But Allahu Akbar God, you know, just I

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wrote my way

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this is this is yeah, this is with Allah's permission. You know,

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dancers look different than if you think it can't happen. If Allah

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wills it to be put in the effort, and you'll see the result.

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Inshallah, I'm going to stop talking because I want to thank

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you, very exciting update and tayyiba, please, Inshallah, take

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it away.

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South Africa, or Africa, who broke out the hood, thank you again, for

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having me sister nema. I'm, it's always a joy.

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catching up with you, and being in your company. i

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It's been a while, like we said in the beginning. And for me, you

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know, my journey has been very different. Since 2018, you know,

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when I, when I received your email, and I was like, gosh, you

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know, four years ago, we did this summit. And my, you know, people

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talked about having a five year plan of some sort. So we're at

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four years now, at 2018. If I looked forward to five years from

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then, my, my guess of where I'd be, would be totally different.

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And this is something I think, we as Muslims have to remember that,

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you know, we plan and Allah plans. And of course,

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this pandemic was not in any of our plans. And it really changed

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the trajectory of where I was headed, and what I was trying to

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do in my work, and where I am now, and I'm truly truly grateful.

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Because of course, you know, we, we look at things not as, what if,

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or I wish, or you know, how we would have wanted things because

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Allah tells us that something that may be good for us may not be

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something that we think is bad for us, maybe good for us. So, you

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know, we don't know, we don't know what Allah has planned for us. We

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don't know what he thinks is best for us. And so, looking at, like,

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if I'm sitting here thinking, what am I going to share from the last

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four years like?

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It's all I can tell you is that for me, I really had to

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reprioritize and kind of step back

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and ask myself, what, what am I doing here? And why am I doing it.

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And when I initially began writing,

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you know, it was will always with this intention of doing it as a

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form of Bala, doing it as a as a means to spread a positive

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image of art, this beautiful deed that we get to be a part of. And

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so it's always been,

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it's always been about the message. And now writing was that,

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that, that that means that medium that I was using,

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but it's so different now. And Hamdulillah, you know, I'm, you're

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by nature, I'm very introverted.

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You know, speaking in public is not easy for me. And yet, here I

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am doing it again. And subhanAllah, you know, 2018, I had

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one book published, which is the blessing bananas, which humble law

00:31:00 --> 00:31:08

has done so well. It was published in 2017. And I had I had it

00:31:08 --> 00:31:14

published through hybrid means. So you don't, which means that I have

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to also invest in my work. And somebody, you know, I'm at home

00:31:19 --> 00:31:22

with my kids. So this, this,

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this route of publishing, is, is not always.

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It's not always look at it. And it I mean, it's, for me, it's never

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been about the money. But you have to be able to believe in your work

00:31:38 --> 00:31:41

and put money into it. And so,

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and humble, like, I was able to start traveling, and 2018. And

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2018 was really, really active years for me, doing public

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speaking, doing traveling, I would do the book as a puppet show. And

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so I was visiting schools and communities and different massages

00:32:03 --> 00:32:09

all over North America and abroad. And I got to do that with my

00:32:09 --> 00:32:14

family. It was I mean, it was exhausting. But it was amazing.

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And then the pandemic hit. And I was supposed to release my second

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book, early 2020. And it was getting printed abroad. So there

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was all this delay internationally. And here I was,

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with no book and in lockdown, and I'm not earning any more, because

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I'm not, you know, the book sales would not be much. It would be me

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doing these live presentation that was earning. And then I would take

00:32:45 --> 00:32:48

that money and put it towards reprinting, I'm glad the book was

00:32:48 --> 00:32:53

sell out so quickly, I would do another print. And that just keep

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moving forward like that. And right before COVID Subhanallah, I

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had two giant tours planned one in Michigan, were literally I was

00:33:03 --> 00:33:07

visiting eight to 10 different communities. And I had just ran

00:33:07 --> 00:33:11

out of my books the month before. So I have reordered them, they

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just literally arrived, I think, march 9, and I was supposed to be

00:33:15 --> 00:33:19

departing March 11. And that was the day that the lockdown began

00:33:19 --> 00:33:24

here. I'm in Chicago. So in the States, and SubhanAllah. Here I

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was with all of these books, and nowhere to go. So my whole

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Michigan Tour got cancelled. And then I had another tour in

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California scheduled in April, that guy completely canceled.

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And it was a shock. It was a shock to my ego. It was a shock to my

00:33:45 --> 00:33:50

confidence. It was a shock to my work. It was a shock to my bank

00:33:50 --> 00:33:55

account. Like it was it was it was hard. It was really hard. So there

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I was having to contemplate what am I doing here? Okay, so, what I

00:34:00 --> 00:34:04

was what had what I had started doing what I was initially doing

00:34:04 --> 00:34:09

is not going to happen now. So now what? And so I did, I did try to

00:34:09 --> 00:34:13

do what Rama did, and look for an agent and see if I can get

00:34:13 --> 00:34:17

traditionally published. And I didn't do it as do diligently like

00:34:17 --> 00:34:23

it's almost a full time job to be able to query agents. And I wasn't

00:34:23 --> 00:34:28

able to put that time in because I have three children and my kids

00:34:28 --> 00:34:34

are all very different ages with very different needs. And so I had

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to again, prioritize and this is not putting anybody down, that has

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been able to manage and balance all of it. I couldn't do it.

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Especially with everybody home, especially everybody. You know,

00:34:45 --> 00:34:48

even my husband was home for a month and then I was like please

00:34:48 --> 00:34:49

go back to work.

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This is now working out. And now he's he's in construction. So they

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were essential workers and he was able to go back in but

00:35:00 --> 00:35:01

You know, here I was

00:35:02 --> 00:35:06

literally a stay at home mom, with all my three children all their

00:35:06 --> 00:35:11

different needs. And I couldn't put in that, that time and effort

00:35:12 --> 00:35:15

that I normally would have if they were at school full time, but here

00:35:15 --> 00:35:19

they are at home. And we, I just had to realize I have to make the

00:35:19 --> 00:35:22

most of this time with my children, because I will never get

00:35:22 --> 00:35:26

this back with them. And, you know, I grew up very much like a

00:35:26 --> 00:35:29

latchkey child, me and my younger sister, our parents were just

00:35:29 --> 00:35:33

trying to make ends meet, they were never home. And they were

00:35:33 --> 00:35:36

working full time, more than full time overtime.

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And so we were raising ourselves. And I didn't want that for my

00:35:41 --> 00:35:45

kids, I didn't want them. Now they are home, I would have craved this

00:35:45 --> 00:35:50

time with my parents growing up. And so I made the most of that

00:35:50 --> 00:35:53

time. So humble, I'm really, really grateful for that. And

00:35:53 --> 00:35:58

that's where my 2020 went, I ended up coaching, a lot of women,

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aspiring authors taking what I had, had gained, and using that,

00:36:05 --> 00:36:10

to inspire others. And so many of them Subhanallah like, you know,

00:36:10 --> 00:36:15

the pie is big, right? There's, there's plenty and sitting here, I

00:36:15 --> 00:36:20

am literally watching those women that I have worked with going on

00:36:20 --> 00:36:24

and publishing, and traditionally publishing and they're doing even

00:36:24 --> 00:36:26

better than me, it's like, you know, the student becomes the

00:36:26 --> 00:36:30

master. And that's what we want. Because this is again, this is not

00:36:30 --> 00:36:33

about me, this is not about my work, this is about a lot. This is

00:36:33 --> 00:36:39

about his message, and trying to get as many people in this work

00:36:39 --> 00:36:45

doing, you know, doing these these amazing things to share and shed

00:36:45 --> 00:36:49

light on how beautiful our religion is and putting out

00:36:49 --> 00:36:54

proper, authentic narratives of who we are as Muslims. So I'm so

00:36:54 --> 00:37:00

so grateful for that. And at the end of 2020, I ended up getting

00:37:00 --> 00:37:04

COVID very badly, and it took a huge toll on my retina, my health.

00:37:05 --> 00:37:10

And it's I feel like even to this day, my creativity has been

00:37:10 --> 00:37:16

affected from COVID, and my attention span. And so I ended up

00:37:17 --> 00:37:22

putting all of whatever energy I had left into Islamic scholarship.

00:37:23 --> 00:37:27

And I've been furthering my studies, I graduated with the

00:37:27 --> 00:37:30

teacher certification through robot academic Institute

00:37:32 --> 00:37:36

in 2020, and I was able now able to teach classes in Islamic

00:37:36 --> 00:37:40

studies to children and women, which I was doing, but now, you

00:37:40 --> 00:37:44

know, you could say I'm qualified, because again, my books have a

00:37:44 --> 00:37:48

message and I want to be able to provide that message with,

00:37:49 --> 00:37:53

with the proper sources with the proper knowledge. And so that

00:37:53 --> 00:37:55

that's another place that I've been investing my time and energy.

00:37:57 --> 00:38:02

And at the end of 2020, I was approached by some people in my

00:38:02 --> 00:38:05

community, who know how,

00:38:06 --> 00:38:08

how active and vocal I am.

00:38:09 --> 00:38:14

And they asked me if I would like to run for the school board here

00:38:14 --> 00:38:18

in my district. And I was like, no, no, wait, I'm not going to

00:38:18 --> 00:38:21

take out an arbitrary like a position like that. That's so much

00:38:21 --> 00:38:25

work so much time, so much commitment. And I was like, I will

00:38:25 --> 00:38:29

just ask my husband and see what he thinks, hoping that he would

00:38:29 --> 00:38:33

just be like, No, you don't have time for that. And lo and behold,

00:38:33 --> 00:38:36

he goes, that's exactly what you should do. And I was like, why?

00:38:36 --> 00:38:41

You were supposed to be my like crutch and say no, as I said, No,

00:38:41 --> 00:38:45

I can't do it. So I'm like, he's always been so supportive. And

00:38:45 --> 00:38:52

there I was running for an election, all of the beginning of

00:38:52 --> 00:39:00

2021. And this was putting everything I've done to I mean, to

00:39:00 --> 00:39:05

work, knocking on doors, canvassing meeting people. I've

00:39:05 --> 00:39:09

lived in this district for 10 years, and I thought I'm I'm

00:39:09 --> 00:39:11

involved, I'm active people know me.

00:39:12 --> 00:39:19

Know, you know, as Muslims, we still keep ourselves in our own

00:39:19 --> 00:39:25

separate circles and bubbles. And they don't know us. The non

00:39:25 --> 00:39:30

Muslims just don't know us. And so, in those four months that I

00:39:30 --> 00:39:36

was campaigning, I met more people than I have in the last 10 years

00:39:37 --> 00:39:42

of living in this district. And I was the only Muslim running I was

00:39:43 --> 00:39:47

of course, only one in his job I ran with all you know, seven other

00:39:47 --> 00:39:53

white candidates. And I mean, if you if you look at our our

00:39:53 --> 00:39:56

pictures, our forum pictures like it just looks silly. There I am,

00:39:57 --> 00:39:59

you know, a person of color

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And in his job, and I stick out like a sore thumb and going in, I

00:40:05 --> 00:40:09

was like, let's see what happens. But it became such a beautiful

00:40:09 --> 00:40:12

opportunity to really what I've been doing as an author, what I'm

00:40:12 --> 00:40:16

doing in my writing what I've been trying to do, in my, in my

00:40:16 --> 00:40:18

professional work here I was

00:40:20 --> 00:40:24

putting, what's the expression like, money where my mouth is,

00:40:24 --> 00:40:31

and, and representing Muslims representing minorities, we have

00:40:31 --> 00:40:37

34% minorities in this community. And I was the only one running to

00:40:37 --> 00:40:41

represent them. And some Ha, come April, we were at the election,

00:40:42 --> 00:40:47

watch the election result watch, it was like a little gathering

00:40:47 --> 00:40:51

that they did. And when we my husband, I arrived, I was like,

00:40:51 --> 00:40:54

Oh, I'm in the lead. And I like elbow him. I'm like, that's funny.

00:40:54 --> 00:40:58

Let's see how long this lasts. And, lo and behold, I ended up

00:40:58 --> 00:41:03

getting the most votes, there's four seats open. So I got to see

00:41:03 --> 00:41:06

it. And all I got it with the most votes. And that just goes to show

00:41:07 --> 00:41:12

that it's all important, I think about and I was studying Sierra in

00:41:12 --> 00:41:16

a lot of depth and, and just seeing what the process of him and

00:41:16 --> 00:41:21

his companions had to do to spread this message. It was through

00:41:22 --> 00:41:26

action. It was through interactions. It was through

00:41:26 --> 00:41:30

representation. It was through character, it was through really

00:41:30 --> 00:41:36

meeting people going out and meeting people. And and, and I

00:41:36 --> 00:41:41

humble up, here I am. And so that has been my last year,

00:41:42 --> 00:41:50

I was able to finally get puffs us kisses in my hands. And this was a

00:41:50 --> 00:41:54

little book that my youngest inspired, who's I call my rainbow

00:41:54 --> 00:41:59

baby because she came after two miscarriages. And she's super

00:41:59 --> 00:42:02

affectionate. She loves to give kisses and she would come at us

00:42:02 --> 00:42:06

with these, you know, like, cheese cover and grease covered milk

00:42:06 --> 00:42:09

covered lips and saying I want to give you a kiss mama. And we

00:42:09 --> 00:42:14

started labeling and and you know, categorizing her kisses. And she

00:42:14 --> 00:42:17

was only two years old. And she's like, oh, you know, we were like,

00:42:17 --> 00:42:19

We don't want to milk the kids. We don't want a greasy kiss. And it

00:42:19 --> 00:42:23

was a joke in the family. And she has two year old she's like mama,

00:42:23 --> 00:42:27

wouldn't that be a funny book was like, Oh, well I bought. That's

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how this book was born. And it took a lot of time logged dying to

00:42:30 --> 00:42:34

get this one published. And it took a lot of money to get this

00:42:34 --> 00:42:37

one published as a tiny little book. It's a board book. But these

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are much more expensive to get published. And again, it's with my

00:42:40 --> 00:42:45

publisher proliance Publishing, which is a hybrid publisher. So I

00:42:45 --> 00:42:50

had to put all the money that I didn't earn. In my traveling, I

00:42:50 --> 00:42:56

had to like, find ways to collect funds to fund this book. And I'm

00:42:56 --> 00:43:00

still trying to figure out how to sell it. And it's okay. Like, I

00:43:00 --> 00:43:02

want everybody to know here, like,

00:43:03 --> 00:43:07

I'm so grateful that I can share this journey. And I can share the

00:43:07 --> 00:43:10

struggle, because I don't want to sit here and say, Oh, I

00:43:10 --> 00:43:14

accomplished this and that. And it. No, the last four years has

00:43:14 --> 00:43:22

been not easy, is it's okay, I am, I am so grateful. Because those

00:43:22 --> 00:43:27

gears before where I was traveling and earning really well on the law

00:43:27 --> 00:43:31

that was written in my risk. And these last four years, where I

00:43:31 --> 00:43:35

haven't been able to do the same. This has been in my risk, and it

00:43:35 --> 00:43:39

will balance out. And this is what Allah has planned. And it's okay.

00:43:39 --> 00:43:45

I am just so so grateful. so, so grateful. So, you know, I'm

00:43:45 --> 00:43:49

starting to do in person events again, slowly. For me, online

00:43:49 --> 00:43:53

sales is very difficult, because both of my books are hardcover.

00:43:54 --> 00:43:58

And so trying to ship them, you know, is very expensive,

00:43:58 --> 00:44:02

especially internationally. So the in person events is where I get

00:44:02 --> 00:44:05

majority of my sales, and that time will come and that's okay.

00:44:05 --> 00:44:09

And I'm just been refocusing I've been working on

00:44:11 --> 00:44:18

a novel actually for teenagers about the setup. It will be a will

00:44:18 --> 00:44:22

be a historical fiction book, which I'm really excited about.

00:44:22 --> 00:44:26

And again, that's not what I had planned. But that's what's

00:44:26 --> 00:44:31

happening. And that's okay on the lot. And it's just realizing that

00:44:31 --> 00:44:35

you are where Allah wants you to be. And if I sit here and I

00:44:35 --> 00:44:40

compare myself to others, you know, there's a duet time sister

00:44:40 --> 00:44:42

Naima to share a really quick story.

00:44:44 --> 00:44:48

Of there's a there's a narration of Prophet Musa alayhis salaam,

00:44:48 --> 00:44:52

where he's standing at the Throne of Allah. And he sees another man

00:44:53 --> 00:44:57

at the top corner of Allah's throne. And he asked Allah like

00:44:57 --> 00:44:59

who is he? And here is a prophet of God.

00:45:00 --> 00:45:04

Right, and he sees somebody who has advanced, right, he's that

00:45:04 --> 00:45:10

that other man is at the high corner localista. And, and Allah

00:45:10 --> 00:45:15

tells him that this person did two things. One, he was good to his

00:45:15 --> 00:45:19

parents. He was good to his parents, and my mother's health

00:45:19 --> 00:45:23

has been declining these last four years. So that's another thing

00:45:23 --> 00:45:25

that I've been very busy with this taking care of my mom.

00:45:27 --> 00:45:32

Second, is that this man did not compare his blessings to others

00:45:32 --> 00:45:37

blessings, and SubhanAllah. We live in a time where social media

00:45:37 --> 00:45:41

is in our faces. And all we are seeing is literally highlight

00:45:41 --> 00:45:45

reels, highlights of people's lives, where they're only showing

00:45:45 --> 00:45:46

the good and the positive.

00:45:47 --> 00:45:50

And so we can sit here and be like, Why did this person get this

00:45:50 --> 00:45:53

blessing? And I didn't, I've been doing this for much longer I coach

00:45:53 --> 00:45:59

this person, what's happening? Why am I not? No, no, this person

00:45:59 --> 00:46:00

earned this rank.

00:46:01 --> 00:46:06

Because he did not compare his blessings to anybody else's

00:46:06 --> 00:46:11

blessings. And so this is my, my journey. And this is the two cents

00:46:11 --> 00:46:15

that I leave you with that humble Allah, Allah has chosen you to be

00:46:15 --> 00:46:19

where you're at and make the most of it. Two reasons Allah has put

00:46:19 --> 00:46:22

us on this earth to worship Him and to represent him. And if we

00:46:22 --> 00:46:27

can do that, through our work through our presence, let's do it.

00:46:27 --> 00:46:30

Sharla Allahumma Salli, ala sayyidina, Muhammad, or Baddeck

00:46:30 --> 00:46:31

whistling?

00:46:35 --> 00:46:39

Just Hakalau could look as this wow, we're not going to say too

00:46:39 --> 00:46:42

much after that, to be honest, because I'm just so grateful to

00:46:42 --> 00:46:47

you for just coming with the honesty, you know. And that's one

00:46:47 --> 00:46:51

of the things that we we love about our community. However

00:46:51 --> 00:46:55

loosely or closely, we define that community, whether it's people who

00:46:55 --> 00:46:56

have worked

00:46:59 --> 00:47:03

that weekend and I or people in the wider Muslim online unity or

00:47:03 --> 00:47:06

justices who are writing, that's one of the things that I've

00:47:06 --> 00:47:10

learned so much about our relationship is that the safe

00:47:10 --> 00:47:14

space, you know, and I believe very strongly that all of us are

00:47:14 --> 00:47:17

here with the intention to please Allah subhanaw taala and loving

00:47:17 --> 00:47:21

for our sisters what we love for ourselves. So I just want to thank

00:47:21 --> 00:47:24

you, thank you for being honest with us. Allah subhanaw taala is

00:47:24 --> 00:47:28

using you and he he used your voice in the way that he saw fit

00:47:28 --> 00:47:31

with a light hand and you had an A you had an objective and you

00:47:31 --> 00:47:34

thought you were going to achieve it in one way and he just

00:47:34 --> 00:47:35

reoriented you and you

00:47:36 --> 00:47:40

were to Akbar So ladies, I just want to thank you so much for your

00:47:40 --> 00:47:45

time. And you know just for just giving us such like I said you

00:47:45 --> 00:47:50

know this that diversity of of experiences and journeys and even

00:47:50 --> 00:47:53

of lessons that you've learned along the way I honor you for the

00:47:53 --> 00:47:57

work that you keep doing and for the fact that you're still in the

00:47:57 --> 00:48:01

arena and you're still committed to your original intention every

00:48:01 --> 00:48:04

single one of you and for sure Allah subhanaw taala will open a

00:48:04 --> 00:48:09

doorway as he has opened doorways for every one of you in different

00:48:09 --> 00:48:14

ways. And as Tanya said, It's okay and I love that to end on that

00:48:14 --> 00:48:19

message Masha Allah, we will put all the links in the description

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guys, please do support these sisters continue to learn from

00:48:23 --> 00:48:26

them. Hopefully this will not be the last time that we have them

00:48:26 --> 00:48:30

tear on this platform to teach us to inspire us so we can learn from

00:48:30 --> 00:48:34

them. But for now Insha Allah we will close off here to Zack Hello

00:48:34 --> 00:48:39

Harun, put your takeaways in the comments and we'll see you on the

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niccola sisters does that color hate and you can mute and give

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salam insha Allah Zack laughing

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